Seeking Arrangements

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2972916]Yeah this list is waaaaay out of date. No way you are getting those prices. Yeah approx double will be close. SB in Western Europe 500 not surprising. You can get 300 in Spain.

The only correct one on the list is Brazil. I think you can still get a nice girl for the evening for 800-1000 R.[/QUOTE]I don't think any of the rates on those tables are accurate today. In Brazil I can get half day or half night (entire afternoon or evening without sleep over) for 600 reais, but I'm good at shopping around. It may depend on the girl's financial situation at the time; ie when is the rent due.

With my established chica, it's usually a 500 USD exchange for a 1 week trip, depending on the destination and how generous she or I are feeling at the time. She's offered as little as 100 for places she REALLY wants to visit, and 600 when in extra need. I had to cultivate that relationship though; I did not get such good privileges on an initial offer.

I don't know the date of that post, but the US rates are astronomically low.

[QUOTE=VanessasClient;2973016]I don't think any of the rates on those tables are accurate today. In Brazil ... 600 reais [/QUOTE]Dubai is actually about right. I paid 4-500 usd, though I got asks as high as 4 k usd (10-15 k aed). Not sure but Tokyo might be right too due to weaker yen.

Who do you meet for 600 reals in Brazil? I mean, age, location, ethnicity as in white, indigenous, afro? For reference, how would you compare them in terms of looks to the hottest girls at Scandy on a Thursday night?

[QUOTE=NoBuglyFitches;2973043]Dubai is actually about right. I paid 4-500 usd, though I got asks as high as 4 k usd (10-15 k aed). Not sure but Tokyo might be right too due to weaker yen.

Who do you meet for 600 reals in Brazil? I mean, age, location, ethnicity as in white, indigenous, afro? For reference, how would you compare them in terms of looks to the hottest girls at Scandy on a Thursday night?[/QUOTE]Early 20's, Amazon heritage (think Manaus area) so brown skin, not black, and in my last case, Santa Catarina. She's beautiful, especially if you are okay with more traditional features, such as a wider nose or possibly pronounced jaw. But importantly, definitely height to weight proportionate, without sagging breasts. Honestly I have a strong preference towards darker skin, but will see pretty gringa girls if no other options are available. Never been to Scandy so I can't comment on that.

Now, as far as getting them for half the day, that also depends on the circumstances. I "imported" her by Uber from over an hour away. So, if you were a woman, would you really want to sit almost 90 minutes in a car, hang out with a guy for an hour, then go back to a car and sit on your butt another 90 minutes to go back? Yes, you would be getting paid, but that's a back to back car ride lasting 3 hours total in exchange for hanging out in a hotel room for an hour. I offered to take her out to go food, and we hung out afterwards, so basically it amounted to half a day. I think if they are not working or have no other obligations, they are more likely to do this. Anyone on a limited budget, as many Brazilian girls are, doesn't want to have to spend more than they need to for food, so if you offer to take them out to a nice restaurant (cheap by US standards), they will usually be eager to get lunch or dinner at no cost, especially if they like you.

If they are accustomed to only getting 500 reais or even less from Brazilian guys, and you offer 600 or 700, they won't tell you they are thrilled, but they should gladly accept the offer, and be a lot more inclined to spend extra time with you. BTW the 1 US dollar is currently worth 6. 18 reais. On Christmas it was worth 6. 75 If you think it will go higher, wait until you arrive in Brazil. If lower, just exchange some dollars for reais now and keep them for your next trip to Brazil. In April of 2022 the dollar was only worth 4. 5 reais.

[QUOTE=RoniG;2972903]Is this still the going allowance in many countries? I was recently in Germany closer to Netherlands and Belgium. Allowance quoted few hours were 500 For couple of hours. I did meet one for 200 Euros for couple of hours a student but rare to find such. I guess rates almost doubled or I didn't explore much? I didn't know about existence of this subforum will RTTF before my next travel.[/QUOTE]Well, the original post was from 2020, but in 5 years, I'd say the Canadian rates have gone up a bit, too; instead of $300 (Canadian), I'd put it closer to $400-$500 is the average now. Mind you, our dollar has tanked in the last year, so Americans get at least a 30% discount.

Also, like anywhere else, if you're going date in major cities the rates are going to be higher than if you're meeting girls from smaller towns.

I think it's simpler than this. Sure the situation made it a lot more sense to spend more time together, all things being equal (no babysitter, job, sick dog issues).

But I've been doing the SB / SD game long enough now (it's the only way I meet people nowadays) that I've come to a fairly reliable conclusion. They all need money (for car payment, babysitter, rent, tuition, whatever). Some of them just want money for an overpriced purse or fun money that doesn't come with daddy's tuition check.

Some of them love sex and see the money as a huge bonus, some accept sex as a means to an end.

Here's my conclusion: they all want security and a guy who isn't a jerk. If you are these things everything else is negotiable and the clock means nothing. The amount means a lot less if she knows she can count on you and you meet whatever her basic threshold is. Next time you hunt in SA note the number of profiles looking for a "long term" arrangement. It's almost 100%. They can get themselves to like you over time but very few are willing to sleep with multiple guys unless they're just straight prostitutes.

So I wouldn't be too surprised she spent 4 hours with you when the discussion was for 1 HR. It means she wasn't repulsed by you, was hungry enough to eat with you, and could be the start of a great if you're into it.

When we first met, my current baby was cold, wanted to meet in the middle of the day, and really wasn't into anything other than getting naked. She was hot as fuck so I went with it. 18 months later of seeing each other weekly and we meet every day of the week, do fun stuff together, say fuck the babysitter more than we should, have sex without a condom, and know just about everything there is to know about each other. If that's not GFE I don't know what is. I wouldn't say I was looking for it in the beginning but I'm happy were here because she still does it for me every time I see her and no girl is going to sleep with you just for money for a year and a half unless there's something else there.

[QUOTE=VanessasClient;2973152]Early 20's, Amazon heritage (think Manaus area) so brown skin, not black, and in my last case, Santa Catarina. She's beautiful, especially if you are okay with more traditional features, such as a wider nose or possibly pronounced jaw. But importantly, definitely height to weight proportionate, without sagging breasts. Honestly I have a strong preference towards darker skin, but will see pretty gringa girls if no other options are available. Never been to Scandy so I can't comment on that.

Now, as far as getting them for half the day, that also depends on the circumstances. I "imported" her by Uber from over an hour away. So, if you were a woman, would you really want to sit almost 90 minutes in a car, hang out with a guy for an hour, then go back to a car and sit on your butt another 90 minutes to go back? Yes, you would be getting paid, but that's a back to back car ride lasting 3 hours total in exchange for hanging out in a hotel room for an hour. I offered to take her out to go food, and we hung out afterwards, so basically it amounted to half a day. I think if they are not working or have no other obligations, they are more likely to do this. Anyone on a limited budget, as many Brazilian girls are, doesn't want to have to spend more than they need to for food, so if you offer to take them out to a nice restaurant (cheap by US standards), they will usually be eager to get lunch or dinner at no cost, especially if they like you..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RoniG;2972903]Is this still the going allowance in many countries? I was recently in Germany closer to Netherlands and Belgium. Allowance quoted few hours were 500 For couple of hours. ... I guess rates almost doubled or I didn't explore much? I didn't know about existence of this subforum will RTTF before my next travel.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't say doubled, maybe +33-50%. It was 300-350 back then, now it's 400 around Berlin and Prague and 500 closer to Amsterdam. Some guys can probably still get 300 if you talk to many women who are not blonde college girls. But "model quality" in Brazil for 800 Rs still sounds unrealistic to me, but only if by "model" you mean tall, thin, white etc

[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2973204]When we first met, my current baby was cold, wanted to meet in the middle of the day, and really wasn't into anything other than getting naked. She was hot as fuck so I went with it. 18 months later of seeing each other weekly and we meet every day of the week, do fun stuff together, say fuck the babysitter more than we should, have sex without a condom, and know just about everything there is to know about each other. If that's not GFE I don't know what is. I wouldn't say I was looking for it in the beginning but I'm happy were here because she still does it for me every time I see her and no girl is going to sleep with you just for money for a year and a half unless there's something else there.[/QUOTE]You are pussy whipped, young man. Admit it. You probably would settle down with her if she would do it. Then divorce her in a few years. The grass is greener.

[QUOTE=NoBuglyFitches;2971088]Selection in Zurich might be worse than it looks because many girls are not local, based on login location.

Re Nordic, I only did sugar dating there once. Super hot profiles were scams, and I mean elaborate multiday scams, even with video calls. Amazing, actually! There were a few average looking Scandi girls, and they were picky, expensive and not easy to meet. I only met one. Drinks felt like a real date in that if I said the wrong thing, she would've left because she didn't really need the money. A Tinder element to it. Sex was very good.[/QUOTE]Which Nordic country was it?

Man these "softcore hoors" as I call them. More like hardcore scammers! A girl I was communicating with (she contacted me) said she expected to be paid at the initial meeting. I replied that women who want to be paid to meet and greet don't want an arrangement. They want free money, and I don't dole out free money. She got pissed and said men pay her $1,000 for 30 minutes of her time. Oh really? Well not this man! I blocked her no more than a 7 looking ass!

But, I'm wondering if I should change my approach? I'm talking lead them on the way they string us along. Say I'm OK with making a payout during the meet and greet, but if I get there and don't like her just refuse to pay. What's she going to do? Sue me? Or, if I do like her then be prepared to pay whatever we agreed upon. As long as she comes back to my room and puts out. If not, then again just refuse to pay her shifty, theiving ass. Again, what's she going to do? I suppose I could be reported to the site, but I wouldn't give a damn as long as I've still got my money in my pocket!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2973423]Man these "softcore hoors" as I call them. More like hardcore scammers! A girl I was communicating with (she contacted me) said she expected to be paid at the initial meeting. I replied that women who want to be paid to meet and greet don't want an arrangement. They want free money, and I don't dole out free money. She got pissed and said men pay her $1,000 for 30 minutes of her time. Oh really? Well not this man! I blocked her no more than a 7 looking ass!

But, I'm wondering if I should change my approach? I'm talking lead them on the way they string us along. Say I'm OK with making a payout during the meet and greet, but if I get there and don't like her just refuse to pay. What's she going to do? Sue me? Or, if I do like her then be prepared to pay whatever we agreed upon. As long as she comes back to my room and puts out. If not, then again just refuse to pay her shifty, theiving ass. Again, what's she going to do? I suppose I could be reported to the site, but I wouldn't give a damn as long as I've still got my money in my pocket![/QUOTE]If it's at a restaurant, she could say "I need to use the ladies room" , then proceed to go to the host and say to put the entire bill in the "gentleman's name. " After that she could order the most expensive bottle of alcohol the place has to offer. That's one of many things they could potentially do to wreck havoc. If you drove to the restaurant, then presumably your vehicle is there with a license plate on it. If she's working with a pimp, then who knows. Whether the particular lady has the sophistication or willingness do engage in vindictive behaviors is another story.

I don't like kids, never liked kids, even when I was a kid. She has two. I never wanted my own kids why would I want someone else's?

She is definitely GF material but the big head is firmly in control. In fact someone I met on a recent trip on their way here to stay with me for a month.

Try again.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2973360]You are pussy whipped, young man. Admit it. You probably would settle down with her if she would do it. Then divorce her in a few years. The grass is greener.[/QUOTE]

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Just tell her you don't pay for meet & greets. You don't know how crazy she is and is it worth a scene in a public place? Any girl that wants money just to meet you is a prostitute that hasn't convinced herself she's a prostitute yet. There's nothing wrong with prostitutes if that's what you're looking for but this is the seeking thread. Move on, there are plenty of serious girls imagine what else she'd ask for later if you agree to a first meet payout and decide to start seeing you regularly.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2973423]Man these "softcore hoors" as I call them. More like hardcore scammers! A girl I was communicating with (she contacted me) said she expected to be paid at the initial meeting. I replied that women who want to be paid to meet and greet don't want an arrangement. They want free money, and I don't dole out free money. She got pissed and said men pay her $1,000 for 30 minutes of her time. Oh really? Well not this man! I blocked her no more than a 7 looking ass!

But, I'm wondering if I should change my approach? I'm talking lead them on the way they string us along. Say I'm OK with making a payout during the meet and greet, but if I get there and don't like her just refuse to pay. What's she going to do? Sue me? Or, if I do like her then be prepared to pay whatever we agreed upon. As long as she comes back to my room and puts out. If not, then again just refuse to pay her shifty, theiving ass. Again, what's she going to do? I suppose I could be reported to the site, but I wouldn't give a damn as long as I've still got my money in my pocket![/QUOTE]

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