Seeking Arrangements

[QUOTE=TheCane;2976014]Thanks for the clarification and suggestions. I think I will go with trying to hook up with a clinica or boate or termas girl on Sundays, or even just take a break. After going hard Monday thru Saturday sometimes I don't mind taking a break on Sunday. I do miss L'uomo though. It was the only termas in Rio I recall being open on Sundays. Changed my life. Forever. It was there on a Sunday of deep reflection that I decided to become a lifelong monger. A decision I do not regret.[/QUOTE]You know there are places open on Sunday (I am mostly talking about SP). The price has gone up a lot for quite a while. I think there is a cartel or agency behind many girls. Unlike men who don't share, these girls work together so they know who can pay 2000 or 3000 and they all can target these customers. I guess if you pay for one of the girls from the cartel, then there will be more girls coming your way. This is just a theory attempting to explain the price rise, and some other observations.

Two years ago, you can get freebies from time to time, and the price for more desirable girls is what one would expect to be reasonable but it has changed. You may get one or two that are reasonable but in the long run when you talk to enough of them then you may see a different or more complete picture.

Why people don't post, because it is a very small world and people who frequent don't want it to get to where it is today. That thermae place is called black cat, and I tell you here because this is not an obvious place for this information. LOL.

[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2976273]I don't think anyone (you or her) should be thinking in terms of time other than something very general like "overnight. " You need to be speaking in terms of activities. Dinner, show, drinks, sightseeing, any or all of stuff like that. Agree to a price for a list of things that you want and let them tell you they are or are not comfortable with all that. If you're both thinking in terms of time, you're looking for a prostitute and she IS a prostitute. It's nuance but it is quite different from what sugarbaby is. The ones that are open to other activities are generally more open to GFE in my experience. You don't have to ask for it. You spend 3 or 4 hours doing whatever and if she's still around at the end of it she doesn't think you're a creep and mostly treats you like a normal guy and not a customer. What I'll do is offer some amount for a date and say there will be something extra if we get intimate at my place. That way she knows she's getting something and we both have an out. If she's not into you you probably don't want to bang her anyway and the only way to know that is do more than chat online.[/QUOTE]If they are not offering sex, I'm not interested. I wouldn't go to Seeking, I'd go to another site. I can get girls outside of the USA to hangout with me or go to dinner for free. They are the same type of girls who likely won't have sex within a week of meeting ANY guy, not matter how attractive or how "good of a catch he is. " Either because their parents raised them as diehard catholics, they are very conservative about their bodies, had a bad sexual experience in the past, or for any number of dozens of reasons. While they are not common, there are still girls in the USA who refuse to have sex before marriage, though most of them are religious fanatics. And nobody but a lunatic gets married within a month of meeting someone.

The last 2 girls I met from the Caribbean and South America off Seeking were more than willing to spend multiple hours with me after we hopped off the mattress. And I didn't offer them money for anything other than sex. No time specified, and no activities. We just came to an agreement on a price for getting into the sack, and they choose to stick around for awhile afterwards. If I were to offer money to a girl to go to dinner with me, with the "possibility" of additional activities later in the evening, then that's not different than saying to myself "I'm not good enough to get a traditional date. ".

Only in the USA do I face such a conundrum. Partly because my standards of beauty are quite high, but more obviously because at least 70% of American women, if not substantially more, are a bunch of entitled tards, especially the ones in their 20's or 30's, which is the only age bracket I would consider dating. If I wanted to get a date with an ugly girl and not pay for it, I could, but have no desire to. The entire point is: I'm not going to spend years trying to find an American outlier, and then several months traditionally courting her, with only the chance that it might lead to sex. Paying for it, for better or worse, produces instant results. The only difference is that formal sex workers overtly simplify the engagement, because they've been willing to make a cost benefits analysis that informal sex workers (95% of other women) choose not to make. Maybe you believe that prostitutes are significantly different from "sugar babies. " The only different I see between the two, other than the terminology used, is that many girls from Seeking are willing to offer things other sex, but they also expect more in return from the man. Which is fine. But other than that, no amount of information will ever convince me there is an empirical difference between the two. You are either trading sex for money in some capacity, or you aren't; there are no two ways about it.

[QUOTE=VanessasClient;2976494]Paying for it, for better or worse, produces instant results. The only difference is that formal sex workers overtly simplify the engagement, because they've been willing to make a cost benefits analysis that informal sex workers (95% of other women) choose not to make. Maybe you believe that prostitutes are significantly different from "sugar babies. " The only different I see between the two, other than the terminology used, is that many girls from Seeking are willing to offer things other sex, but they also expect more in return from the man. Which is fine. But other than that, no amount of information will ever convince me there is an empirical difference between the two. You are either trading sex for money in some capacity, or you aren't; there are no two ways about it.[/QUOTE]We see eye to eye on this. Thus, my moniker for them being "softcore hoors".

If you talk to them in terms of time, you will get answered in terms of time which is how an escort thinks. There's nothing wrong with escorts if that's what you're looking for and there are plenty on seeking. We're all on seeking for sex. Actually we're all on the planet for sex for that matter. How you go about pursuing it is what this site is about. I'm just saying a sugar baby shouldn't be thinking in terms of time and encouraging her to think that way means she's not a sugar baby. It's all fansty at the end of day. How you chose to look at the situation vs how she chooses to look at the situation can start out differently but the closer you get to each other's viewpoints the better the fantasy.

[QUOTE=VanessasClient;2976494]If they are not offering sex, I'm not interested. I wouldn't go to Seeking, I'd go to another site. I can get girls outside of the USA to hangout with me or go to dinner for free. They are the same type of girls who likely won't have sex within a week of meeting ANY guy, not matter how attractive or how "good of a catch he is. " Either because their parents raised them as diehard catholics, they are very conservative about their bodies, had a bad sexual experience in the past, or for any number of dozens of reasons. While they are not common, there are still girls in the USA who refuse to have sex before marriage, though most of them are religious fanatics. And nobody but a lunatic gets married within a month of meeting someone.

The last 2 girls I met from the Caribbean and South America off Seeking were more than willing to spend multiple hours with me after we hopped off the mattress. And I didn't offer them money for anything other than sex. No time specified, and no activities. We just came to an agreement on a price for getting into the sack, and they choose to stick around for awhile afterwards. If I were to offer money to a girl to go to dinner with me, with the "possibility" of additional activities later in the evening, then that's not different than saying to myself "I'm not good enough to get a traditional date...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2976273] What I'll do is offer some amount for a date and say there will be something extra if we get intimate at my place. [/QUOTE]When do you actually give her that amount for the date? As soon as you meet, after dinner, or only if / when she's back your hotel?

[QUOTE=NoBuglyFitches;2976548]When do you actually give her that amount for the date? As soon as you meet, after dinner, or only if / when she's back your hotel?[/QUOTE]Not addressed to me, but I'm still going to answer. The answer is none of the above. The gift is given after all is said and done. Preferably discreetly. I usually put in her purse or jacket pocket and say I left you a gift. But doing before the end is just asking some to say they have to leave early.

I met a young woman yesterday at a restaurant and everything checked out. Said she wanted to stay with me overnight. $500. Bought a bottle of wine and went back to my place, she followed me there, I did not give her the address. Did a session in the bedroom. Then she got a phone call (probably one of her girlfriends that was training her in on how to play with guys and rip them off.) Someone was coaching her on the phone.

She said she needed to go outside. Then I did not hear from her for 10 minutes and got a phone call from her. Said her grandmother just died and she had to go home. I knew this was a LIE! So I pretended to be sympathetic. Then she asked for her money, said she completed her part of the arrangement. Wanted me to zelle it to her, I told her I did not know how to Zelle. I said why don't you come back and we can go to the ATM at the bank. She said she was circling around the neighborhood and did not know my address. GOOD TO HEAR! I said, lets meet at the wine store where we had bought a bottle of wine, the bank was across the street.

Wondering if she would show, or if I really owed her the $500 since the deal was for her to spend the night. So I went thru the bank drive thru and got the cash out and sat in the parking lot for several minutes. Did not see her, nor hear from her again on the phone for about 10 minutes while I waited for her.

I thought to myself, this is stupid. I have a runner, and then she wants me to wait for her to pay her $$ when she did not stay the night! Screw her. She does not know where I live, nor my real name. So I left and went to a movie.

Apparently she wanted her $500 and called me while I was at the concession stand. I blocked her number on my phone. Immediately I got another call from another number, and blocked that number, it probably was her girlfriend's cell number. Then she called several times "restricted caller" showed up on my phone. I finally reported this number to google as spam, asked if they could block it because it was an old girlfriend! And they blocked her.

Think I did the right thing. She was a runner. Fuck her. I fucked her and she ran, and she got fucked again because she got nothing! No $$.

Not sure I understand but I assume you're talking about the part before we're intimate. I usually give it as soon as I get a good read on the vibe. If there's banner and chemistry and I know I want to bang her and reasonably believe she'll bang me, I'll slip it into the her or under her plate when she goes the the bathroom because they all do at some point. When they come back, I'll excuse myself so they can collect and stash it without me seeing anything. If we bang too then it's after the deed.

If I don't want to bang her, I'll finish my meal, hand her the money and say goodnight.

[QUOTE=NoBuglyFitches;2976548]When do you actually give her that amount for the date? As soon as you meet, after dinner, or only if / when she's back your hotel?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2976540]If you talk to them in terms of time, you will get answered in terms of time which is how an escort thinks. There's nothing wrong with escorts if that's what you're looking for and there are plenty on seeking. We're all on seeking for sex. Actually we're all on the planet for sex for that matter. How you go about pursuing it is what this site is about. I'm just saying a sugar baby shouldn't be thinking in terms of time and encouraging her to think that way means she's not a sugar baby. It's all fansty at the end of day. How you chose to look at the situation vs how she chooses to look at the situation can start out differently but the closer you get to each other's viewpoints the better the fantasy.[/QUOTE]Bearing in mind I am mostly Seeking US, but I am with FB on this. Treat a girl like a hooker and she will act like one. Or feel disrespected and ghost. I always try to treat them like a date. When did you ever say to a real girl "we will spend four hours together". Never. I treat SA girls the same. We have dinner and drinks. Go fuck. Some girls say they need to get home. Other girls stay overnight. It's a lovely way to roll because it's HER choice. If she can make the same $ by going home or staying you know there's something there when she stays.

On the other thread as PI says always $ after. Preferably in a little card discretely slipped in her purse. Most girls understand this game and appreciate it not appearing so transactional. Newbies sometimes say "did U have a gift for me?" And I let them know it's in their purse. A couple times we've had such fun I forgot to do it and she forgot to ask so we settled up later. LOL. Even happened with a full on pro in New Zealand. That was surprising.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2976581]Not addressed to me, but I'm still going to answer. The answer is none of the above. The gift is given after all is said and done. Preferably discreetly. I usually put in her purse or jacket pocket and say I left you a gift. But doing before the end is just asking some to say they have to leave early.[/QUOTE]Yes, of course, I always pay after sex as well. But FB said: "What I'll do is offer some amount for a date and say there will be something extra if we get intimate at my place. " So my question was when and how does he actually pay that amount that he offered just for the dinner date? And if no girl ever said to him after dinner "Thank you, I had a wonderful time. May I have my gift now, please?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2976685] We have dinner and drinks. Go fuck. Some girls say they need to get home. Other girls stay overnight. It's a lovely way to roll because it's HER choice. If she can make the same $ by going home or staying you know there's something there when she stays. [/QUOTE]If I may, the same question as for FB: when do you actually give her the money? Right after you fuck, you give her the money, and then ask if she'd like to stay overnight? Or do you wait for her to say that she needs to go home and only then give her the money? If the latter, some girls might be staying overnight because they're afraid they won't get paid otherwise.

Ime, at least for the under 24 age group, once they have the money in hand, they got places to be. Are you seeing different?

[QUOTE=NoBuglyFitches;2976728]If I may, the same question as for FB: when do you actually give her the money? Right after you fuck, you give her the money, and then ask if she'd like to stay overnight? Or do you wait for her to say that she needs to go home and only then give her the money? If the latter, some girls might be staying overnight because they're afraid they won't get paid otherwise.

Ime, at least for the under 24 age group, once they have the money in hand, they got places to be. Are you seeing different?[/QUOTE]To answer your specific question, I prepare a card with the money and put in an envelope and put in plain sight but not quite for the taking — like under the ice bucket or something. After fucking when she is in the bathroom I will often slip it in her purse. Though sometimes if that's not convenient just give it when they are leaving. As far as sleepover it's never a discussion. We just crash like big dogs after fucking and that's that.

Now that I think about it tho I don't suppose recently many girls have stayed overnight on the first date. I supppse that goes back a couple years. At one point I wrote it was fifty fifty but that was a couple years back and I ran through more seeking girls. Recently when I find a girl I like I tend to glom onto her and fly her to me when traveling. My goal is to have a home girl, a US travel girl (my current home girl can't travel and our non-sex relationship is a bit meh), a Brazilian girl, and a European travel girl. I was all set till recently my Milan girl ghosted me. Boo. Landed sunny side up tho as one of the most beautiful girls I know came out of the blue (broke up w her boyfriend) and is going to travel w me. These girls lives are constantly changing and staying in touch always pays off.

After sex she goes straight to the bathroom I put it in her purse then. Never been asked for the money, even on a first date so maybe they peek inside. I will say that I come across as a straight and honest person person, been that way my whole life. I also present very well, I usually look like I have a few bucks. People tend to trust me fairly easily if they've already spent a couple of hours with me.

I never ask for overnight, that's all completely different vibe. Just because I want to bang someone doesn't mean I want them to stay the night. If the chemistry is off the charts and she looks like she's in it for the long haul I just go with it. If she's in a rush to get out so be it. I don't negotiate two pops, over nights, etc. I just go with the flow.

[QUOTE=NoBuglyFitches;2976728]If I may, the same question as for FB: when do you actually give her the money? Right after you fuck, you give her the money, and then ask if she'd like to stay overnight? Or do you wait for her to say that she needs to go home and only then give her the money? If the latter, some girls might be staying overnight because they're afraid they won't get paid otherwise.

Ime, at least for the under 24 age group, once they have the money in hand, they got places to be. Are you seeing different?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2976814] staying in touch always pays off.[/QUOTE]When I stay in touch, many try to hit me up for money, or a hotel booking, or rent payment etc. Like in that Ho Tactics book.

And if we do meet again, it's usually worse than the first time both in terms of connection and sex. Plus, unless she is a pro sugar baby, most regular girls have tight schedules with school and work so they can't usually go with me when / where I want.

Do you find similar?

BTW, part of the reason I ask these questions is for the benefit of lurkers and first timers who might be learning from this forum.

Hello all,

I tried searching about Zurich but couldn't find much about it.

If any of you has used Seeking in Zurich plshare your experience.

I have a week long trip coming in about 6 weeks.

Can one find non pros there on Seeking? And would they be open to a one off meeting? Especially with an Indian on travel.

I understand that Switzerland is expensive, what's the range of allowance?

Should I start chatting up 2 weeks in advance?

Any other advice would be appreciated.

Thanks.