Seeking Arrangements

[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2976911] After sex she goes straight to the bathroom ... [/QUOTE]Actually, overnights was a question for Steve. What I don't understand about your approach is you say: "What I'll do is offer some amount for a date and say there will be something extra if we get intimate at my place. ".

So when do you actually pay that "some amount" that you offered just for the dinner date?

Sounds like you don't volunteer this payment right after dinner? And none of your ladies, none that you wanted to bang, ever said to you "Thank you, I had a great time but I need to go now. May I have my dinner date present now, please?

As advice to first timers, it'd be good to have this clarified or they'll get rinsed.

I thought I was clear but maybe not not. When they go to the bathroom at the restaurant I will slip the money under her napkin or plate. When she comes back I'll excuse myself to the bathroom and whisper to her that I left her a gift under her plate. Not once has any girl asked me for the money, I always give it before they get the chance. I've always been the one to propose the end of dinner even if she's a dud. That daid I've only had 2 dud dates. Everyone else I've fucked sooner or later. If I like them I'll invite them to my place where they know they'll get more as I've just proven I can provide for her. If I don't like them I'll give them a hug and say good luck. They know what that means.

As for the amount, it depends. Maybe 2-300 if I really like them, one time I gave 400 because she had some sob story about tuition.

I also need to be clear that I mostly do this while traveling overseas. Because my time is very valuable and I need to close the deal quick. I don't offer money for meet and greets at home. There are too many girls at home to play those kinds of games. I flat out tell them no when they ask for a gift for meeting. About half will meet me anyway and the other half will tell me to fuck off.

[QUOTE=NoBuglyFitches;2977069]Actually, overnights was a question for Steve. What I don't understand about your approach is you say: "What I'll do is offer some amount for a date and say there will be something extra if we get intimate at my place. ".

So when do you actually pay that "some amount" that you offered just for the dinner date?

Sounds like you don't volunteer this payment right after dinner? And none of your ladies, none that you wanted to bang, ever said to you "Thank you, I had a great time but I need to go now. May I have my dinner date present now, please?.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NoBuglyFitches;2977069]Actually, overnights was a question for Steve. What I don't understand about your approach is you say: "What I'll do is offer some amount for a date and say there will be something extra if we get intimate at my place. ".

So when do you actually pay that "some amount" that you offered just for the dinner date?

Sounds like you don't volunteer this payment right after dinner? And none of your ladies, none that you wanted to bang, ever said to you "Thank you, I had a great time but I need to go now. May I have my dinner date present now, please?

As advice to first timers, it'd be good to have this clarified or they'll get rinsed.[/QUOTE]I would like to know the answers as well. I mean, how often does a girl say thanks so much I had a great time, but balks at intimacy and expects to get paid? And what do you pay her? Say the going rate in your town is $500 per meet and that's what you agreed to. So, if she wants to skip intimacy you pay her the $500, and if she does agree to intimacy then you pay her the $500 plus some additional unspecified amount as some kind of bonus or something? I mean how does this work?

I was looking at a Seeking thread in the USA version of this site and saw where guys were discussing how some of the girls trying to sell themselves as "babies" were known strippers in some of the clubs around the metro. So, they weren't making enough to pay the bills from stripping and looking to make additional income as sugar babies. Of course, they never say in their profiles that they're strippers. They're "self-employed" LOLOL! No wonder all the tattoos and body piercings some of the girls have giving them that "stripper look". I bet if you approached some of them in the club about an arrangement they would get pissed off and accuse you of treating them like a prostitute. And if next you whipped out their Seeking profile then they would get even more angry LOL! Such are these irrational softcore hoors!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2977103]I would like to know the answers as well. I mean, how often does a girl say thanks so much I had a great time, but balks at intimacy and expects to get paid? And what do you pay her? Say the going rate in your town is $500 per meet and that's what you agreed to. So, if she wants to skip intimacy you pay her the $500, and if she does agree to intimacy then you pay her the $500 plus some additional unspecified amount as some kind of bonus or something? I mean how does this work?[/QUOTE]The girl who does not want intimacy, but is in your house, would scream, "I am NOT a prostitute, you must pay me for my time! Or she will say, "I need to get you better before I agree to go in the bedroom, I just met you and do not know you!

Then you have to pay her $500 or she will call the cops on you for assignment of prostitution! Or rape! Just ask President Trump about Stormy Daniels!! Or the **** will come back later and break your windows or key your car at night! Or enter your house!

[QUOTE=NoBuglyFitches;2976998]When I stay in touch, many try to hit me up for money, or a hotel booking, or rent payment etc. Like in that Ho Tactics book.

And if we do meet again, it's usually worse than the first time both in terms of connection and sex. Plus, unless she is a pro sugar baby, most regular girls have tight schedules with school and work so they can't usually go with me when / where I want.

Do you find similar?

BTW, part of the reason I ask these questions is for the benefit of lurkers and first timers who might be learning from this forum.[/QUOTE]Absolutely agree. Further meetings have always been the same or worse than the first, often worse. First meet is when they will try hardest to secure long term. And this leads to the other item, staying in touch. Couple of nice texts from them, maybe sexy photos, then come the money requests. Last one told me her cousin had lost a testicle in an accident, needed money for xrays. And you know what, even when I helped others, still didn't change their behavior nor performance, and even went with others when we had a meet setup. So, don't send money, if you didn't like first meet, ditch. Boy, do I miss those early days of misstravel, before the working girls from seeking destroyed it.

[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2977088] When they go to the bathroom AT THE RESTAURANT I will slip the money under her napkin or plate... Not once has any girl asked me for the money, I always give it before they get the chance. [/QUOTE]Wait, so you DO actually volunteer her dinner fee, and with 200 usd already in her purse she still chooses to fuck you for maybe $300 more?! Even knowing that you're a tourist, so it's likely a one-time thing?

Was she open to sex when you first messaged her? For example, she says "I just want to meet at your hotel. " Then you say, "No, I'd like to start with dinner and I'll give you 200 just for your time, plus more if we have sex."

How many times have you done this money under the napkin thing successfully? What countries, locations and approx how old were your dates?

If an average American tourist texted a random hot college girl on a sugar site saying "I'll give you $200 for a dinner date at Michelin3, plus more $$ if we have sex," I'm nearly certain he won't get sex. Am I wrong? I feel that there's some secret sauce here, absent which first timers are going to get many dinners and no pussy.

[QUOTE=NoBuglyFitches;2977184]Wait, so you DO actually volunteer her dinner fee, and with 200 usd already in her purse she still chooses to fuck you for maybe $300 more?! Even knowing that you're a tourist, so it's likely a one-time thing?

Was she open to sex when you first messaged her? For example, she says "I just want to meet at your hotel. " Then you say, "No, I'd like to start with dinner and I'll give you 200 just for your time, plus more if we have sex."

How many times have you done this money under the napkin thing successfully? What countries, locations and approx how old were your dates?

If an average American tourist texted a random hot college girl on a sugar site saying "I'll give you $200 for a dinner date at Michelin3, plus more $$ if we have sex," I'm nearly certain he won't get sex. Am I wrong? I feel that there's some secret sauce here, absent which first timers are going to get many dinners and no pussy.[/QUOTE]Plenty of American women will happily eat the food and down the drinks that you paid for, then expect you to pay them "for her time" that she just spent enjoying a meal that she ate for free on your dime. Then split with a smile on her face, your food and drink in her belly, and your cash in her purse. And the next day tell her best friends how she made out without having to put out. And then go bang some guy she likes for free! That's what being a "gentleman" gets you from a typical, self-entitled gringa full of herself. Well fuck that! I would rather just "regular" date then. Or even better than that fuck young, hot prostitutes. That pretty tute got what she wanted (money), and I got what I wanted (puss and ass). All the dinner dating stuff I can take it or leave it. The fact of the matter is that I have indeed had many dinner dates with the working girls. I don't mind it when I know I'm going to be tapping that ass later (and she knows it too). No games! I'm just not up to letting gringas play me with "her time is valuable" bullshit. Maybe so, but my time is worth more than her inflated, delusional valuing of herself. That's for damn sure! These hoors soon learn to think again if they believe The Cane is going to give them my hard earned cash just to have them show up and have a good time eating and drinking on me. They have another think coming is what. No deal!

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2977153]The girl who does not want intimacy, but is in your house, would scream, "I am NOT a prostitute, you must pay me for my time! Or she will say, "I need to get you better before I agree to go in the bedroom, I just met you and do not know you!

Then you have to pay her $500 or she will call the cops on you for assignment of prostitution! Or rape! Just ask President Trump about Stormy Daniels!! Or the **** will come back later and break your windows or key your car at night! Or enter your house![/QUOTE]But she knows you well enough to take money ($500 or more) from you doesn't she? I say again. Fuck that! No gash no cash! WTF do you think this is?

Here's an example. I see seeking girl, I text seeking girl, we move ro whatsapp. I say I want our time together to feel like a date with examples of what a date is to me. I ask her what she might want for such things. She'll give me a number or ask me to propose. I then tell her if we vibe and head back to my place I'll give her something extra.

We go out, I give her the money before she asks and we either peck good night or go back to my place to fuck in which case I give her the money before she leaves. It's really that simple but there is game and being able to read her involved so it's not an exact science.

Again, this is mostly overseas because I'm usually paying 400+/ day to be wherever I'm at (not including food) and I don't want to waste my time with a maybe.

To be fair my last liason wasn't so cut and dry I think I posted it but I'll summarize it again. Met on a sugar site. I said I wanted a date, she said she only wanted sex for money. I'd been in the country for 4 days without a hit so that's about $1600 in expenses that don't include pussy. I asked to see her pic, she was hot as fuck and I was horny so I agreed to meet. She let me propose the amount as every girl has in that country. We meet in the lobby, instant chemistry, locked eyes, big smiles, the whole bit. She hung out for about 4 hrs. Next day she hung out for about 8 hrs, spent the next 6 days together traveling all over the country on a complete whim. Gave her 500 first day, 500 second day and 500 on the last day and she didn't want to take it. Not in a million fucking years would I have been able to expect anything like this to happen on a sugar site.

Oh and BTW, she's flying to my house in the near future and staying for an entire month. No money discussed but I'll give her something just so she doesn't need to ask me to buy this or that.

I do have plenty of one night stands while traveling. At the end of the day, they all want long term but there are a lot more travellers than guys wiling to commit to them long term so they compromise. Every woman on the planet wants stability and a nice guy. Everything else is negotiable. If you have a big hairy wort growing out the tip of your nose you may need to negotiate a little harder or pay a little more but you'll find someone if you've got the money and aren't an asshole.

[QUOTE=NoBuglyFitches;2977184]Wait, so you DO actually volunteer her dinner fee, and with 200 usd already in her purse she still chooses to fuck you for maybe $300 more?! Even knowing that you're a tourist, so it's likely a one-time thing?

Was she open to sex when you first messaged her? For example, she says "I just want to meet at your hotel. " Then you say, "No, I'd like to start with dinner and I'll give you 200 just for your time, plus more if we have sex."

How many times have you done this money under the napkin thing successfully? What countries, locations and approx how old were your dates?

If an average American tourist texted a random hot college girl on a sugar site saying "I'll give you $200 for a dinner date at Michelin3, plus more $$ if we have sex," I'm nearly certain he won't get sex. Am I wrong? I feel that there's some secret sauce here, absent which first timers are going to get many dinners and no pussy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2977306]
We go out, I give her the money before she asks and we either peck good night or go back to my place to fuck in which case I give her the money before she leaves... If you have a big hairy wort growing out the tip of your nose you may need to negotiate a little harder or pay a little more but you'll find someone if you've got the money and aren't an asshole.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you give them money just to meet. You must have a hairy wart on your nose. I never had to pay them to meet. Ever. Never will. I pay for the meal and that's it. Its like a job interview, the interviewer's do not get paid to show up. They are looking for an opportunity.

Remember, your time must be worth more than theirs if they expect you to help them financially.

There is no better way to get a girl into bed than a mind blowing tasting menu. I've done it countless times and it never fails.

[QUOTE=NoBuglyFitches;2977184]


If an average American tourist texted a random hot college girl on a sugar site saying "I'll give you $200 for a dinner date at Michelin3, plus more $$ if we have sex," I'm nearly certain he won't get sex. Am I wrong? I feel that there's some secret sauce here, absent which first timers are going to get many dinners and no pussy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NoBuglyFitches;2976998] And if we do meet again, it's usually worse than the first time both in terms of connection and sex.[/QUOTE]The times I let a SB back into my life, I regretted it. At first, I was like. Oh she is so nice, hot, and great in bed. Why did I leave her? And after that, I was like, oh yeah, now I remember. It would always be some combo of a greedy, BSC druggie.

[QUOTE=NoBuglyFitches;2976998]When I stay in touch, many try to hit me up for money, or a hotel booking, or rent payment etc. Like in that Ho Tactics book.

Plus, unless she is a pro sugar baby, most regular girls have tight schedules with school and work so they can't usually go with me when / where I want.

Do you find similar?

BTW, part of the reason I ask these questions is for the benefit of lurkers and first timers who might be learning from this forum.[/QUOTE]So this is the part of being a SD that I went through in the beginning and had to learn to get better at. So let's say you make low to middle six figures a year. Unless you have a huge amount of assets and / or are perfect in every other way, you are not that special and a woman is going to be more interested in the gift you can give than you.

If a guy is worth a $100 million plus, the woman is not going to pull this I have work or school crap. She has to eat and sleep and she will eat and sleep with that guy, and she will fuck the shit out of him to have a chance at that guy. Because if she does not do it, she knows another hot woman will.

The point is not to have $100 million but to get what he has. The woman is fucking him out of genuine burning desire, GBD. She is fucking you for money. She is treating him like an alpha seed.

If you are saying, "Oh, I understand baby, I wish you well in school or at work", you are a beta needs guy. You are letting a hooker off by buying her bullshit line and not making her feel like a hooker, and you are lying to yourself and saying she is not a hooker. She has to sleep, and she has to eat. Why is she not doing that with you?

There is nothing wrong with seeing a hooker as long as you know that is what she is.

And if you respond to the hooker as an alpha and give the impression she is a hooker, there is a chance she will not care but there is also a chance that she will respond in a non hooker way and actually try to prove to you she is not one. You do not even have to say anything. You just act like what she is saying is total bullshit. It is the same with the sick father / mother / kid bullshit excuse. You do not say "Oh, I am sorry about your dad. " You act like they are full of shit because they usually are. If they are not full of shit, they will respond like this, "My father is sick, but I can see you later. ".

Accepting the bullshit excuse of women is a beta act. This is the video on being an alpha: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk5cB_wZRV4[/URL].

And the one being a beta: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG_Kp61sdsQ[/URL].

The goal of having a SB is to get one who wants to fuck you and has GBD or genuine burning desire to do so. The money is a gift to help her out and not payment for sex. I repeat there is nothing wrong with seeing a hooker as long as you know that is what you are doing.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2977193]Plenty of American women will happily eat the food and down the drinks that you paid for, then expect you to pay them "for her time" that she just spent enjoying a meal that she ate for free on your dime. Then split with a smile on her face, your food and drink in her belly, and your cash in her purse. And the next day tell her best friends how she made out without having to put out. And then go bang some guy she likes for free! That's what being a "gentleman" gets you from a typical, self-entitled gringa full of herself. Well fuck that! I would rather just "regular" date then. Or even better than that fuck young, hot prostitutes. That pretty tute got what she wanted (money), and I got what I wanted (puss and ass). All the dinner dating stuff I can take it or leave it. The fact of the matter is that I have indeed had many dinner dates with the working girls. I don't mind it when I know I'm going to be tapping that ass later (and she knows it too). No games! I'm just not up to letting gringas play me with "her time is valuable" bullshit. Maybe so, but my time is worth more than her inflated, delusional valuing of herself. That's for damn sure! These hoors soon learn to think again if they believe The Cane is going to give them my hard earned cash just to have them show up and have a good time eating and drinking on me. They have another think coming is what. No deal![/QUOTE]You are goddam right Cane! My time is worth much more than those scanks! They want me to pay them money because I make much more. Probably 20 times more. So my time is worth way more than their fukking time! These stupid girls come up with stupid arguments. I agree with you 110%.

As I've said several times, I give them money to meet when I'm traveling. My time is at an extreme premium and I don't have time for a maybe or to play games. If they're hot and I want to fuck them I will pay them to show up. I do not pay to meet at home, that's stupid.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2977393]Sounds like you give them money just to meet. You must have a hairy wart on your nose. I never had to pay them to meet. Ever. Never will. I pay for the meal and that's it. Its like a job interview, the interviewer's do not get paid to show up. They are looking for an opportunity.

Remember, your time must be worth more than theirs if they expect you to help them financially.[/QUOTE]