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[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2977306]We go out, I give her the money before she asks and we either peck good night or go back to my place to fuck in which case I give her the money before she leaves. It's really that simple but there is game and being able to read her involved so it's not an exact science.[/QUOTE]In your experience, how often does that happen (peck on the cheek and good night) versus back to the room for sexual relations?
[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2977306]Here's an example. I see seeking girl, I text seeking girl, we move ro whatsapp. I say I want our time together to feel like a date with examples of what a date is to me. I ask her what she might want for such things. She'll give me a number or ask me to propose. I then tell her if we vibe and head back to my place I'll give her something extra.
We go out, I give her the money before she asks and we either peck good night or go back to my place to fuck in which case I give her the money before she leaves. It's really that simple but there is game and being able to read her involved so it's not an exact science.
Again, this is mostly overseas because I'm usually paying 400+/ day to be wherever I'm at (not including food) and I don't want to waste my time with a maybe.
To be fair my last liason wasn't so cut and dry I think I posted it but I'll summarize it again. Met on a sugar site. I said I wanted a date, she said she only wanted sex for money. I'd been in the country for 4 days without a hit so that's about $1600 in expenses that don't include pussy. I asked to see her pic, she was hot as fuck and I was horny so I agreed to meet. She let me propose the amount as every girl has in that country. We meet in the lobby, instant chemistry, locked eyes, big smiles, the whole bit. She hung out for about 4 hrs. Next day she hung out for about 8 hrs, spent the next 6 days together traveling all over the country on a complete whim. Gave her 500 first day, 500 second day and 500 on the last day and she didn't want to take it. Not in a million fucking years would I have been able to expect anything like this to happen on a sugar site.
Oh and BTW, she's flying to my house in the near future and staying for an entire month. No money discussed but I'll give her something just so she doesn't need to ask me to buy this or that.
I do have plenty of one night stands while traveling. At the end of the day, they all want long term but there are a lot more travellers than guys wiling to commit to them long term so they compromise. Every woman on the planet wants stability and a nice guy. Everything else is negotiable. If you have a big hairy wort growing out the tip of your nose you may need to negotiate a little harder or pay a little more but you'll find someone if you've got the money and aren't an asshole.[/QUOTE]Much respect player!
Assuming you're from a western country, with your finances, why go abroad at all? If you're spending 400 a day to stay somewhere and another 500 for company, you can afford to pay 900/ day at home. I'm pretty sure 900/ day can buy some pretty fine pussy in most parts of the western worlds, and you don't have to bother flying anywhere. If your time is so valuable, that seems like the most reasonable option. That's what I would do.
[QUOTE=Kazeu;2977608]Much respect player!
Assuming you're from a western country, with your finances, why go abroad at all? If you're spending 400 a day to stay somewhere and another 500 for company, you can afford to pay 900/ day at home. I'm pretty sure 900/ day can buy some pretty fine pussy in most parts of the western worlds, and you don't have to bother flying anywhere. If your time is so valuable, that seems like the most reasonable option. That's what I would do.[/QUOTE]For me it's the principal of the matter. I will not pay above $500 for a girl anywhere in the world. It's just too crazy. US is highest and Europe next but I can always find a hottie for $500 or less. So even if the math says it's the same I'the rather fly somewhere and pay less than pay over $500 in US. Just won't do it. Plus when you travel you can mix nightclubs and fuck spas and brothels in with Seeking and get the best of all worlds. Anyone who is not getting out of the US is seriously missing out.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2977616]For me it's the principal of the matter. I will not pay above $500 for a girl anywhere in the world. It's just too crazy. US is highest and Europe next but I can always find a hottie for $500 or less. So even if the math says it's the same I'the rather fly somewhere and pay less than pay over $500 in US. Just won't do it. Plus when you travel you can mix nightclubs and fuck spas and brothels in with Seeking and get the best of all worlds. Anyone who is not getting out of the US is seriously missing out.[/QUOTE]Forgot to mention that international girls are also much easier to find a good fit. Not fat. Not entitled. Good attitude towards sex and pleasing their man. Not afraid of PDA.
Not saying it's true everywhere. But generally the girl scene outside the US (Brazil, Spain, Thailand etc) is soooo much better. Just go on your city in the US or one you travel to and see who's got a green dot. Now go to Madrid. Holy fuck. Night and day.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2977616]For me it's the principal of the matter. I will not pay above $500 for a girl anywhere in the world. It's just too crazy. US is highest and Europe next but I can always find a hottie for $500 or less. So even if the math says it's the same I'the rather fly somewhere and pay less than pay over $500 in US. Just won't do it. Plus when you travel you can mix nightclubs and fuck spas and brothels in with Seeking and get the best of all worlds. Anyone who is not getting out of the US is seriously missing out.[/QUOTE]I guess that's where we differ, I don't travel to go to exotic places. Colombia is a dump compared to most western countries, same with Philippines. Maybe at first, you go there and experience something new and enjoy the cheap pussy. But after a while, I don't want to travel, I just do it for the cheap pussy. If I had the finances, I would just stay in the US where the girls speak english. No communication barrier, better rapport. Airports, 24 HR flights with layovers, hassle, visa extensions. All things I'd rather do without.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2977624]Forgot to mention that international girls are also much easier to find a good fit. Not fat. Not entitled. Good attitude towards sex and pleasing their man. Not afraid of PDA.
Not saying it's true everywhere. But generally the girl scene outside the US (Brazil, Spain, Thailand etc) is soooo much better. Just go on your city in the US or one you travel to and see who's got a green dot. Now go to Madrid. Holy fuck. Night and day.[/QUOTE]This is so true. I've seen seeking pages in the USA and seeking pages in Brazil and Colombia. Night and day.
In percentage terms maybe 10%. I'm extremely picky, I won't even meet with them unless I think they're hot. If their personality is a dud I wish them luck and leave.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2977557]In your experience, how often does that happen (peck on the cheek and good night) versus back to the room for sexual relations?[/QUOTE]
That's the reason. Seeing the sane shit and eating at the same restaurants with different girls gets old after a while. Everytime I travel I learn something new. Budget is only over of the problem. I'm generally very unimpressed with the selection in my city so if I want Asians I go to Asia, if I want a slav (my present fettish) I go to Europe.
[QUOTE=Kazeu;2977608]Much respect player!
Assuming you're from a western country, with your finances, why go abroad at all? If you're spending 400 a day to stay somewhere and another 500 for company, you can afford to pay 900/ day at home. I'm pretty sure 900/ day can buy some pretty fine pussy in most parts of the western worlds, and you don't have to bother flying anywhere. If your time is so valuable, that seems like the most reasonable option. That's what I would do.[/QUOTE]
Well said. The US is sex he'll. Why it's so holy and people give a shit about who you fuck I will never understand and don't tell me we're all still the same lame puritans that founded the country. It's politics and I'm better than thou. Thou can fuck off. If you're not seeing the world you're missing out on way more than pussy.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2977624]Forgot to mention that international girls are also much easier to find a good fit. Not fat. Not entitled. Good attitude towards sex and pleasing their man. Not afraid of PDA.
Not saying it's true everywhere. But generally the girl scene outside the US (Brazil, Spain, Thailand etc) is soooo much better. Just go on your city in the US or one you travel to and see who's got a green dot. Now go to Madrid. Holy fuck. Night and day.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2977417]There is no better way to get a girl into bed than a mind blowing tasting menu. I've done it countless times and it never fails.[/QUOTE]How many times exactly if I may ask? For example, in the past two years, how many times have you done this money-under-the-dinner-napkin thing? What age groups? What countries / cities? Success rate? Thanks again for taking the time to describe your method!
Home girls excluded (I've been with her for more than 18 mo now but we still do it semi-regularly as a fun date). So we are only talking about my travels for fun. I've done it with every girl I've met, 2-3/ trip, 2-3 trips / yr. I won't tell you where because that may help someone make me. I will say I like Europe. No one over 26, all but 1 were legit college students. I banged all of them but some with more enthusiasm than others. I don't do escorts, prostitutes or massage parlors unless I'm in Asia where everything is one big blurry line.
The restaurant can be a massive icebreaker. If you have absolutely nothing in common 1) you can always talk about the course and the next and the next 2) I guarantee she's never done anything like it before 3) if she knows you can spring that much on a dinner and give her whatever you agreed to she's going to want you in her contacts list.
Almost all have sent me messages after we've split thanking me for the experience and how they'd love to see me again and I know god damn well it's not because of my good looks. And as I've already said at least twice I have one coming to me for a month to continue where we left off.
Note: I've never claimed this is cheap or I can get this for that. This is what I do. Do with the info what you will. I couldn't care less about the money. If one girl wants a couple hundred more than another girl it's not going to affect my life one bit and if I want to fuck her I'll pay it in a heartbeat. The money means a lot more to her than it does to me.
[QUOTE=NoBuglyFitches;2977671]How many times exactly if I may ask? For example, in the past two years, how many times have you done this money-under-the-dinner-napkin thing? What age groups? What countries / cities? Success rate? Thanks again for taking the time to describe your method![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2977695]
The restaurant can be a massive icebreaker...
I couldn't care less about the money. If one girl wants a couple hundred more than another girl it's not going to affect my life one bit and if I want to fuck her I'll pay it in a heartbeat. The money means a lot more to her than it does to me.[/QUOTE]1. The restaurant is a qualifying step. Like an interview for a job. Evaluate her body mass index. Use your penile erection for that. If no erection in the restaurant, she's not worth taking home. Disqulify the ones who are not worth $$ or your time. Common problems: Woman is fatter than her photos. Woman has a bad attitude. Woman steals your cell phone when you turn your back (yes it has happened). Do not trust these biches. Do not go to the bathroom and leave your cell phone on the table.
2. We call care about money, because we work to get it. And that is how we value pussy. And I probably have more $$ than anyone on this site. My net worth is more than most professional athletes, because I grew up poor and appreciate the value of money. There really is an inverse relationship between price per meet and value of pussy. My best girls, that I keep around for years, one charges me $0 and I buy her clothes every other month, about $150 each time. She spent the night with me a day ago and I gave her nothing, bought her a pair of pants at a discount store and took her to a Mexican fast foot place. And I give $200 for the other two women. And I / we have the best relationship / arrangements where money is not an issue. So there is an inverse relationship between the PPM and how long you will keep them. The most transient hoors are asking the most $$ and are doing multiple guys and they will flake off and not show up if they get a higher $$ offer from someone else.
Good luck. The women are trying to ask "how much will my gift be when I meet you at the restaurant?" And I message them $0. A gift comes from non-requested generocity and is not panhandles or asked for. You men who throw money around are really stupid and poisoning the system for us ALL. Stop it.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2977557]In your experience, how often does that happen (peck on the cheek and good night) versus back to the room for sexual relations?[/QUOTE]FB said he had a 10% fail rate but I suspect there is a key difference here.
His (and Steve's) overseas dinner dates are open to fucking from the beginning. They would meet directly at the hotel if asked. The dinner itself is not necessary to fuck them. FB and Steve, do you agree?
But the girls you (Cane) mentioned, those that ask to be paid for their time to have dinner with you, are trying to sell non-sexual companionship. So it's likely to end with a peck on the cheek and good night nearly every time.
If you believe what I give affects what you give you are completely delusional. At most, she'll demand the same from a few others and get laughed back into her place. There's no site where they collude and set prices like a pussy cartel.
I wouldn't go anywhere near a girl that would be happy with $150 worth of clothes every other month or someone who comes over for free for my charming company and dashing good looks. My standards are a hell of a lot higher than that.
[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2977874]Good luck. The women are trying to ask "how much will my gift be when I meet you at the restaurant?" And I message them $0. A gift comes from non-requested generocity and is not panhandles or asked for. You men who throw money around are really stupid and poisoning the system for us ALL. Stop it.[/QUOTE]
I summarized the types of girls you'll find a year or two ago on this thread, there are 4 or 5 types, only one I'm interested in. I stay away from the ones who think they'll get paid just for platonic time. So generally, yes, I won't meet them unless we've had enough discussion to be reasonably sure they're going to be willing to jump in bed. There are some duds though. I hate nose rings, I mean really hate nose rings. A girl who was otherwise really cute showed up with one and I should have cut it short after dinner but we ended up in bed anyway and I just couldn't perform. It's crazy I know but I think they're stupid and do nothing to enhance their appearance, complete opposite.
[QUOTE=NoBuglyFitches;2977973]FB said he had a 10% fail rate but I suspect there is a key difference here.
His (and Steve's) overseas dinner dates are open to fucking from the beginning. They would meet directly at the hotel if asked. The dinner itself is not necessary to fuck them. FB and Steve, do you agree?
But the girls you (Cane) mentioned, those that ask to be paid for their time to have dinner with you, are trying to sell non-sexual companionship. So it's likely to end with a peck on the cheek and good night nearly every time.[/QUOTE]