Jakarta

[QUOTE=Double Shooter; 1295797]Interesting to hear McMaiden's voice of experience. I assume that these prices are after negotiation in the bar itself? One wonders how the girls manage to make a living, given that:/QUOTE]I have read with interest, the Shooter's soujorns across Jakarta. Well written prose, I must say.

I am not the price police and I don't care what anyone paid though I do like to pay depending on the perceived value (might be right or wrong after the deed is done). I don't like to overpay and will never under-pay since its the girl's livelihood.

If its LT, I do pay some taxi-money. The runners can ask somebody else for their taxi-money. I girl I paid a million was with me from around 11 till next morn so highly unlikely that it was the second round for her.

Even if she can make IDR400, 000, its still not bad pocket-money.

I must admit that the IDR 500, 000 was not for a Category 1 ayam.

McM

Hello Mongers, I need some help.

First, let me say that I am not a monger. I am a traveler. But I do like sex, and on every trip I try to dedicate one day to such a diversion. But I am also pretty old now. 72. So it is not that easy. Also, I do not like bar hopping, late at night. But I am willing to go to one specific place if I have a near certainty of getting what I want.

I would prefer to see a girl at my hotel, but I know how chancy agencies can be. But with a recommendation I could go for that too.

I am a senior member and have used this guide for useful advice (e. G. In Bali, Philippines, Canada) But this will be my first time in Jakarta. I will have my sex day there on Sept 29. I have all the day and night too, but do not want to be hunting late at night. I have my air ticket already, but no hotel yet.

I did read a lot of the postings already, but frankly I find them somewhat confusing because most assume you already know the places. Well, I did find Block M on the Google map, and also the Melawai hotel. But is the 6th floor bar of Melawai the same as Malioboro? This is just an example, but I would like a clarification on this.

So I would welcome any help. This is what I am looking for:

BBBJ and DFK are a must. I also like DATY if the girl is very clean, and I also enjoy a shower together to start. As for the fucking, at my age I am strictly a one pop person and it can happen that I cannot keep it up during straight sex which I do like to do. So I may want to finish with another BBBJ and possibly (but not required) CIM.

I am willing to pay up to around 1, 000 000 if I get these with girl at least 7. 5 in looks (preferably higher).

I will be grateful for any help. (I) Clarify Melawai / Malioboro and suggestions for other similar places and how to do it (ii) a useful recommendation for a good agency for a girl to come to my hotel (iii) a recommendation for a specific person you might know (send me contact info by private message). (iv) whatever else you might think useful.

You can post your suggestions and / or send me private message.

Thanks a lot, from an old guy.

Additional questions.

1.) A previous report mentioned a place called Maribaya. Is that different one fro Malioboro? Also near block M?

2.) Are Spas a good place for what I want? Which one you would suggest after reading my post below?

[QUOTE=Nabradi; 1296136]Additional questions.

1.) A previous report mentioned a place called Maribaya. Is that different one fro Malioboro? Also near block M?

2.) Are Spas a good place for what I want? Which one you would suggest after reading my post below?[/QUOTE]God bless you. I hope when I'm 72 still posting!
Sent you a pm.

[QUOTE=Nabradi; 1296136]Additional questions.

1.) A previous report mentioned a place called Maribaya. Is that different one fro Malioboro? Also near block M?

2.) Are Spas a good place for what I want? Which one you would suggest after reading my post below?[/QUOTE]Maribaya is a bar within the Hotel Melawai on Jalan Melawai on the south end of Blok M in South Jakarta. There's also decent Money Changers & Restaurants on this street. Expect the girls in Maribaya (often referred to as the 5th floor) to speak some English.

Malioboro is in the North of Jakarta and probably quite tough to negotiate if you don't speak much bahasa.

[QUOTE=Nabradi; 1296136]Additional questions.

1.) A previous report mentioned a place called Maribaya. Is that different one fro Malioboro? Also near block M?

2.) Are Spas a good place for what I want? Which one you would suggest after reading my post below?[/QUOTE]Yr. 1. : No, Malioboro is in North Jakarta, not too far from the National monument. Action there is mostly in the evening, but during the day you can visit the spa (not my piece of cake, but to each his own).

Maribaya is the bar on the 6th floor of hotel Melawai in Blok M. Price is now 450, 000 per girl per hour. Opening hours are 11:00 a. M. Until 11:00 pm, but the first girls are on standby from 10:00 a. M. Shift change is around 5:00 pm The bar is open 7 days a week, but availability of girls varies per day. I spent many enjoyable hours there with one or two and sometimes three girls.

Yr. 2. : You will have to wait for answers from other contributors. Sorry.

Choice of hotel is entirely up to you. In 20 years of visiting Jakarta I never came across a hotel that was not Girl Friendly.

Regards,

Ko

[QUOTE=Koperen Karel; 1296532]Choice of hotel is entirely up to you. In 20 years of visiting Jakarta I never came across a hotel that was not Girl Friendly.

Regards,

Ko[/QUOTE]A small addition: avoid the Sofyan hotels! They are not girl friendly and you can't get a decent drink there!

atNabradi: Where are you going to stay? If we know, we might direct you to places nearby to get what you want. Certainly at 1 million you can have fun the way you like.

I would avoid agencies but if you have to, try to contact JakartaAfterDark.

[QUOTE=Double Shooter; 1295797]Interesting to hear McMaiden's voice of experience. I assume that these prices are after negotiation in the bar itself? One wonders how the girls manage to make a living, given that:

1) They typically don't score a John every night.

2) It costs IDR150K to enter CJ's.

3) Taxi costs may be high if she lives far away.

4) Cost of dress, make up etc to be able to enter an upscale hotel bar.

The Shooter paid $130 for a night of debauchery with a CJ lass on his last visit, overpaying by about $26, but he has no regrets. FR below.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?965-Jakarta&p=1267247&viewfull=1#post1267247[/url][/QUOTE]Please don't feel too sorry for these girls! Even if they only land a customer once a week, they still will make out ok.

Few if any of the working girls travel long distances by taxi. Instead, they take the bus, minivans, train or ojek (motorcycle taxi) to get around.

If a monger spends the night of LT with a young lovely, walks her downstairs in the morning, shoves 50, 000 extra rupiah into her hand and then deposits her in a BlueBird and watches her be driven away, chances are the girl will then tell the taxi driver to drop her off down the street (before the meter fare has increased past the minimum amount) , so she can get out and take the bus / minivan / train / ojek home.

The basic cost of living for these girls is a lot lower than one might think. They may share a one-room apartment with other girls and eat for 10, 000 rupiah or less per day.

As a benchmark, a (non-working girl) Indonesian who earns 1, 200, 000 rupiah a month is in the top 25% of wage earners in the country.

[QUOTE=Menteng; 1297046]A small addition: avoid the Sofyan hotels! They are not girl friendly and you can't get a decent drink there!

AtNabradi: Where are you going to stay? If we know, we might direct you to places nearby to get what you want. Certainly at 1 million you can have fun the way you like.

I would avoid agencies but if you have to, try to contact JakartaAfterDark.[/QUOTE]I do not have a hotel yet. Only my air ticket. I was thinking maybe the Crown Plaza. But I will look on the posts on the hotel thread.

Do you have a recommendation? Something decent, not too expensive, but clean and friendly.

[QUOTE=Mighty Spearsman;1297281]As a benchmark, a (non-working girl) Indonesian who earns 1, 200, 000 rupiah a month is in the top 25% of wage earners in the country.[/QUOTE]I hate to be pedantic, but I don't think that's right. The average income, across Indonesia, is around $3000 per year. That comes in at a bit more than double the figure you mention. And the kind of girls that we want to hang out with are a bit above the average in terms of education, earning ability and so on, if you consider that the average includes a lot of rural folk of the kind who don't have the initiative to get on a bus and come to Jakarta. This is getting off the subject of cewek / nyewek a bit, but since we are talking about the economics of the trade, it's slightly relevant.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita[/url]

[QUOTE=Gonzo Two; 1297587]I hate to be pedantic, but I don't think that's right. The average income, across Indonesia, is around $3000 per year. That comes in at a bit more than double the figure you mention. And the kind of girls that we want to hang out with are a bit above the average in terms of education, earning ability and so on, if you consider that the average includes a lot of rural folk of the kind who don't have the initiative to get on a bus and come to Jakarta. This is getting off the subject of cewek / nyewek a bit, but since we are talking about the economics of the trade, it's slightly relevant.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita[/url][/QUOTE]Agreed. I think the average CJ's type of girl spends between 10 and 15 million rupiah a month.

Just visited Jakarta and had a great time. Visited Top Gun. Not that many true lookers but really enjoyed playing pool with some of the girls and watching the band. Eventually crossed the street to D's. I remember reading in the forum that there was a room at the back where you could get a private dance an a BJ. Never would have found this without the forum. Thanks!

WG

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1297626]Agreed. I think the average CJ's type of girl spends between 10 and 15 million rupiah a month.[/QUOTE]I helped a girl find a kos a few weeks ago. She couldn't find anything in central Jakarta that met her (not particularly high) standards for less than a juta. Even the ones at a million were pretty ratty (literally!). She wanted AC, for which she had to pay a minimum of 1. 5. Some of them share a room to cut costs, but even so. She also talked about the economics of picking up guys at BATS. She said she needed to invest about 200 thou for a night out looking for a guy. Considering that there is almost always 2-3 girls for every guy in any happening bar, you have to assume that the average pick up success rate is only around 33, even assuming every guy goes home with a girl. Which means they'd need to charge 600k just to break even. Of course, some girls manage to pull almost every time, but they are the really hot ones. I suppose it drives a selection process: if you can't meet your target, you better find another way of earning a living. No point wasting pity, but good to be realistic about the dynamics of it.

[QUOTE=Gonzo Two;1297769]She said she needed to invest about 200 thou for a night out looking for a guy. Considering that there is almost always 2-3 girls for every guy in any happening bar, you have to assume that the average pick up success rate is only around 33, even assuming every guy goes home with a girl. Which means they'd need to charge 600k just to break even. Of course, some girls manage to pull almost every time, but they are the really hot ones. I suppose it drives a selection process: if you can't meet your target, you better find another way of earning a living. No point wasting pity, but good to be realistic about the dynamics of it.[/QUOTE]Interesting analysis but that's why the girls get smart very quickly: they'll take note which bar is having ladies night and schedule their week accordingly. That will change the financial commitment aspect quite drastically. Incidentally, I think the ratio varies a lot from the beginning of the night to the end. They are also very savvy how to minimize their transport costs. In addition, that's why there is a take up of last minute offers even while on the way out in the hotel lobbies. They don't necessarily just go to the one place either: Sometimes various combinations of bars like CJs / BATS / Falatehan / Stadium / Delilah / Three Horse / Red Square / Tiga Puluh etc. Let's just be smart about not killing the market and have fun.

MD II

[QUOTE=Master Diver II;1298124]They don't necessarily just go to the one place either: Sometimes various combinations of bars like CJs / BATS / Falatehan / Stadium / Delilah / Three Horse / Red Square / Tiga Puluh etc. Let's just be smart about not killing the market and have fun.[/QUOTE]For sure. And they have different price strategies in different venues. There's a regular I meet in Jaksa, she was quite happy with 300k for a few hours, she still chases up for further meetings. I know she goes to CJs a lot and gets a lot more than that when she pulls there. But I often meet her in the afternoon, which is low season rates. Maybe I get a regular client discount. I know Jaksa is sneered at a bit by most of the regulars here, but it's certainly a good place to go shopping for seconds. Ha! I mean the ones who didn't pull. Must be said, the really hot ones are probably above that and they don't get left on the shelf anyway.