Pattaya Reports

My friend Macca arrived in Pattaya this morning. We met at my favourite breakfast spot, Sports Lounge overlooking soi Buakhao where my full English cost 179 baht. It was good to catch up. He arrived a few days later than me because he found a great deal on a flight but it included a two day stopover in Shanghai. It rained both days he was there, so he was glad to see some sunshine at last.

He's staying at Centara Nova, a four star hotel nearby. I was interested to see it, so we walked to the end of soi Buakhao, turned right on to Central Pattaya Road, then left on to Pattayaklang 12. His hotel is located shortly up this road but if you follow it to the end it comes out directly opposite soi 6. The hotel seemed nice and his room, costing about 1100 a night was a step up from mine, although he told me was woken at 5 am this morning by a cockerel outside.

We decided to go for a foot massage. Macca got an attractive 25 year old with a sexy body, I think I got her mum. Her saggy boobs flopped on to my feet when she leaned forward to massage my thighs and tried to upsell her services. The massage cost 150 baht for an hour.

After a quiet afternoon Macca and I met in Annie Jacks at 6. 30 pm. We had a hassle-free drink inside the bar, watching girls try to weave their magic on guys walking down soi Buakhao. There were some pretty girls and no lady-drink pressure at all, my kind of bar. They have a two tier barfine system of 1200 or 600 after 11 pm. I suspect not many of the pretty ones will be left at that point though.

I bought a drink for a girl at Area 52 who had big tits. So far on this trip I've fucked two girls and both of them barely had any tits at all, so I was looking to find some curves tonight. She was nice enough but conversation was a little difficult, then she dropped her sang som and the glass smashed all over the floor, which nearly caused the mamasan to have a seizure. My girl mopped the mess up before going to stand at the front of the bar again.

I walked Macca through Tree Town and around Myth to give him a taste for the place and then he wanted to see an old favourite place of his, Papagayo on soi Diana. En route I started getting severe stomach cramps. I was near my hotel so rushed back. I hadn't eaten anything since breakfast apart from a packet of crisps so I'm not sure what caused it. 20 minutes later I headed out again, hoping to catch Macca at Papagayo but he wasn't there or any of the nearby beer bars.

I still wasn't feeling 100% so considered calling it a night but decided to go for a quick walk up soi Honey to see if anything could tempt me. In the year since I was last in Pattaya, this street has got it's act together. It still has the seedy massage shops but now has a series of bars with some younger girls sat outside.

A cute girl flashed me a big metallic smile outside one of the bars so I took her inside for a drink. I would normally divulge the name of the bar in my diary as I think information like that adds value to the report and may help people find bars and venues for their own trip. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]

I assumed the girl would quote me a barfine price but she told me the room upstairs would be 500, so essentially these bars have the same setup as soi 6. She added that her cost was just 1000 baht. She led me up two sets of stairs to a room with a view, overlooking the bustling soi LK Metro. We waved to the people below before she closed the curtains.

'I no blowjob' she said when we lay naked next to each other on the bed. That was to be the only drawback of an otherwise excellent session though. We fucked in multiple positions, the highlight of which was spooning her hard from behind, her head flung back as I held her small tits. She rode me Asian cowgirl, both feet planted on the bed, long hair falling on to my chest, until I came. We both showered and she asked for my Line before I had chance to get hers.

It was midnight so I decided to head back to my hotel. I popped in to the 7 Eleven directly opposite the entrance to soi LK Metro for some snacks and noticed there were three girls wearing silk dressing gowns with logos of the gogo bars they work at, buying snacks. The bars prohibit girls giving their Line details inside the bar but maybe lingering inside this particular 7 Eleven could be a good tactic for getting their details, to try to arrange an afternoon meet without having to pay the exorbitant barfine prices.

[QUOTE=TooDirty;2899756]After watching countless videos filmed on the streets of Pattaya I am convinced of one thing. Men really need a revolution in the way they dress. We'd be way better off walking around looking like extras from "The King and I" than the shabby beggars that we almost all look like. Myself included. LMAO.[/QUOTE]This is Pattaya. No need to dress like you are going to a fashion show. Just bring money. All being fancy is going to do is get people to want more money from you.

Personally, I've never been there. I think I may have walked by there with a couple of other guys to check out all the bars. They do have a Facebook for Area 52. Interesting looking set of girls / non-girls that work there. Not my taste. But I can see why somebody else would want to buy a big titty "gender unknown" a drink or two. It's hot out and people do get thirsty. As long as you have fun, your personal choice is all good to me. Just make sure you pay the going rate of 1000 for a beer bar (person) and no more. I repeat BEER BARS are 1000 + 500 barfine before midnight. It's less after midnight and not 1500 or 2000. No drinking games. By the way only Coke Zero! Which is the best Coke EVER!

P.S. : Do your homework and find out the going rate and stick to that. Don't be like my buddy that visited Pattaya for the first time. And when he exchanged cash at a TT Exchange booth, he gave a 20 baht tip, because there was a tip box. I asked him why and he replied "it's only 20 baht. " Oh yeah, but that still doesn't explained why you are tipping a money exchange worker. Because there was a box that said tip? Really, I think some people forgot how to "think. ".

We are living in a strange world. In BKK section guys think high end 10,000 girls are into Anal Rimming.

In Pattaya we have two lower end paying guys arguing over 500 baht over Ugly Girls.

Yes there I said it. 1,500 and below you will have girls Chomping at your feet for a Bargine. All Unattractive in multiple ways. Some Unattractive like you wouldn't believe.

If you want to see what's available in Pattaya check out Mr sins on kick livestream.

He puts real girls on Cam. Just everyday girls that are available to us. Very representative of what's available.

I'm sure many would go for 1,000 or even Less. LOL. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2899790]This is Pattaya. No need to dress like you are going to a fashion show. Just bring money. All being fancy is going to do is get people to want more money from you.[/QUOTE]I typically dress nice, but will reconsider since what you wrote, makes sense. Its not like I'm seeking a girlfriend / wife.

The lovelies from a Soi 6 Bar. They all asked for 1000 on the last trip. We declined. But good luck to others! By the way, somebody pointed me to YouTube. Now I clearly understand why one is just happy to get anything at any price. Happy Hunting.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2897799]
Look how much I have to suffer coming to Thailand. It's about 10 levels down on girl's looks from where I hobby in Osaka. Of course the price differential between top end Japanese girls and Soi 6 girls is almost beyond comprehension.

Bar none the best bang for your buck with pretty unaffected girls is Jakarta. Then Vietnam but a totally different game if you want top bar girls.[/QUOTE]Interesting reading about Jakarta from a senior brother. Will be spending a month or two in Bangkok this summer, so perhaps visiting Jakarta some days for a change of scene would be interesting, as I've never been there. Will probably visit Japan again too, but for the food rather than expensive hookers.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2899806]I repeat BEER BARS are 1000 + 500 barfine before midnight. It's less after midnight.[/QUOTE]This is just factually incorrect. I agree lots of bars on Myth have a 500 barfine but at some it's 700 and at at Area 52 it's 1200 or 800 after 10 pm. Similarly on Tree Town some bars are higher than 500, Ass 95 is 700 for example.

When I hear sweeping statements like yours, that it's 1000 for all girls, it means one of two things. Either you're just plucking the low hanging fruit or, more likely, it's just bravado on your behalf. It only takes a shred of common sense to realise that pretty girls will charge more than older, uglier girls. It's naive to suggest otherwise.

Macca had a spring in his step when he met me at breakfast. He told me that last night he went back to the small massage shop on Central Pattaya Road and had an oily massage with the girl who he met yesterday. Beforehand we speculated on what kind of extras she'd offer and we agreed it would probably be a handjob but she gave him the full package.

A motorbike pulled up in front of us as I tucked in to my eggs and bacon. There were four women of varying ages squeezed on to it. Three of them got off and they rearranged themselves in a different order behind the driver, making lots of laughter as they did so. I quickly ran out and tried to squeeze a fifth person on without any luck.

In sad news, my trusty Nike original flip-flops I bought from a vendor on a beach in Goa finally fell apart today. I bought a replacement pair from a shop on soi Buakhao for 250 baht.

Macca and I agreed to go and watch a Pattaya FC home match this evening, which gave me several hours to kill. I read for a bit in my room before I got restless and checked Tinder. I'd got a match with a pale skinned girl with big milky natural tits. So far on this trip I've fucked three girls with tiny tits so I couldn't resist. She asked for 1000 baht and was in my room by 2 pm.

Her Tinder photos were from clever angles, mainly just showing off her prize assets in all their glory. When I heard a knock on the door and opened it, I saw a very pleasant, small girl in a floral dress, chubbier than I anticipated but her boobs looked enormous. The sex was good fun. I enjoyed being rode by her, her big jugs slapping me in the face.

Barely had she left the room and I got changed, there was another knock on the door. It was Macca. We wanted to eat before the football and found a nice place called Chomp overlooking soi Lengkee, which sold cheap and tasty rice and noodle dishes.

We got picked up by Mr Chit's nephew outside Charlie Place and he drove us to one of the most magnificent stadiums in world football, Nongprue Municipality Stadium. Joking aside it was a decent 6000 capacity stadium and the atmosphere was great throughout, with the drummers behind the goal not stopping for 90 minutes. Pattaya lost 2-1 to a stoppage time winner from the Ayutthaya striker with the fanciest haircut. Admission was 180 baht.

Right, that's it for the sports news.

I was flying solo tonight and by the time I got back to my hotel it was 9 pm. I decided I wanted to find a nice girl as early as possible and barfine her. I strode purposefully up soi Buakhao, past Nighttown which used to be Booby Trap, where I barfined a pretty Lao girl last year. A few doors along is Rehab, sandwiched ironically between two pharmacies with big 'DRUGS' signs hanging above.

Although I saw some pretty girls on my loop of Tree Town, I found myself at Myth again and bought a drink for a very fresh-faced cutie who spoke as little English as any girl I've met in Asia. When I asked what her name was, she looked to the mamasan for assistance! The mamasan explained it was the girl's first day and she was very nervous.

I did my best to relax her and made her laugh several times, but once I'd exhausted my limited Thai repertoire, out came the games. Normally I find them tedious but on this occasion they worked a treat. Suddenly she was having fun and high-fiving me whenever she beat me, which was most of the time. There was a football match from back home in England I was interested in watching, so I stayed at the same bar for a couple of hours. When I enquired about her barfine she made a gesture that she was on her period, which to be fair seemed genuine as she then asked for my Line details.

It was midnight and I just wanted to find a girl as quickly as possible, so I decided to go for a quick stroll up soi Honey. I saw a pretty girl at Paradise, near the junction with soi Buakhao, but walking up that street is like a game of blackjack, do I stick or twist? I said Hello, to the little cutie I fucked last night but I wanted to find a new girl tonight. I reached 2nd Road and decided I'd walk back down soi Diana and see if I saw anyone to take my fancy and if not I'd get a massage with the girl at Paradise.

But it didn't work out like that. I saw a tall skinny black girl on soi Buakhao. I've previously noticed black freelancers lingering but they tend to fall under the big black mama category, with big breasts bursting out of their tight dresses. This girl was very different. She was pretty and was wearing an elegant dress that showed off her perfect figure. After exchanging pleasantries I asked how much. She asked for 1500 but accepted 1000. She was 22 and from Nigeria. When she undressed in my room I knew I was in for a good time, she had jet black skin and a perfect figure with big natural boobs. She gave me a very skilful porn-style blowjob, then we had an energetic session with lots of positions.

It was a good end to an interesting day. I love the bars in Pattaya but there's plenty of freelancers around too, on dating apps or walking the streets, looking to part farang from their hard-earned cash.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2899790]This is Pattaya. No need to dress like you are going to a fashion show. Just bring money. All being fancy is going to do is get people to want more money from you.[/QUOTE]Not necessarily. In many cases they will accept less.

Is there someone who has an extensive experience of soapies? Just curious if the experience is pretty standard across or if some offer a different experience. I have only tried two till now. PP and one at the end of road in the North, can't remember the name. It's a pretty big one.

For me 5 days was way too short. Hardly slept or ate. Humidity kicked my ass (I'm from Arizona) . But day 3 went to Roxy bar to find the girl I really wanted to see- Mamasan informed me she was home for the week. God Dammit. Oh well, maybe next time. So bar fined the girl from night one at Avarice again, she's a lot of fun. Perfect natural knockers probably a Cor the cup. Saturday went to Jo lorn and evening tour of sanctuary of truth, so was to tired for boom boom. Went to Roxy anyway to chill with the girls and buy them some drinks, got ones line and told her if bar fine her tomorrow. Quoted me 1500 and 500 for room for upstairs, wanted me to take her and her friend. Declined. Next afternoon went back to Roxy and got her- short girl with big bootie and perfect perky tits, and a lot of fun to hang out with. Definitely going to work overtime to get back here ASAP.

Rare Hot girl alert.

Bella on Kick is trying to get her Channel growing. She seems well off. Owns a Bar and a House.

Kick name not exact Bella but it will lead you in right direkt tion.

What Sets her apart is she really is HOT.

Zondo 41 the Sexpat discovered her on his Channel.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2900021]

But it didn't work out like that. I saw a tall skinny black girl on soi Buakhao. I've previously noticed black freelancers lingering but they tend to fall under the big black mama category, with big breasts bursting out of their tight dresses. This girl was very different. She was pretty and was wearing an elegant dress that showed off her perfect figure. After exchanging pleasantries I asked how much. She asked for 1500 but accepted 1000. She was 22 and from Nigeria. When she undressed in my room I knew I was in for a good time, she had jet black skin and a perfect figure with big natural boobs. She gave me a very skilful porn-style blowjob, then we had an energetic session with lots of positions.

It was a good end to an interesting day. I love the bars in Pattaya but there's plenty of freelancers around too, on dating apps or walking the streets, looking to part farang from their hard-earned cash.[/QUOTE]Don't be afraid of Big Mama. Every now and then you need big mama to swallow a full load of skeet without missing a drop and then afterwards put those tigo bitties in your mouth and nuture you like she trying to feed all of Africa while riding you 🤣. Treat her nice and afterwards she'll cook up your favorite childhood meal from scratch LOL.

Enjoying reading your adventures as always. Keep them coming.

Weeks in Pattaya can become one-dimensional, a daily diet of bars and girls and not much else. I felt I needed something more to stimulate my brain so after breakfast Macca and I went to the Sanctuary of Truth, a very impressive temple a short distance north of Pattaya Beach. We walked there from Terminal 21 and it took about 25 minutes. Admission was steep at 500 baht as it included a compulsory guided tour but it was an interesting place to visit.

We walked back via Naklua Beach which is much nicer than Pattaya Beach. I ate a tasty spicy grilled beef dish at a beachside restaurant and washed it down with a Chalawan pale ale, brewed in Phuket. It was very nice indeed, as was the scenery. This beach seems popular with Russian couples and and we saw a few stunners in skimpy bikinis. At the south end of Naklua Beach there are some nice coves and interesting rock formations.

My feet were screaming submission by the time I reached my hotel, blistered mercilessly by the new flip-flops I was wearing. No time to feel sorry for myself though, after a couple of hours recuperation it was time for another bar-crawl.

At 8. 30 pm I met Macca at Annie Jacks, his favourite bar. There was an exceptionally pretty girl wearing a red dress right next to the entrance and several others who were definitely worthy of a lady-drink. There's very little pressure on drinks which is why the bar seems popular with expats.

We then went to Las Vegas Agogo, to see if the girl I met two years ago working at Terminal 21 was there. She wasn't but I bought a drink for an extremely pretty girl. 'She's the most beautiful girl I see in Thailand so far' declared Macca. She spoke good English so the conversation went beyond the usual smalltalk. I asked her what job she did before she started working at the bar and she told me she was a taxi driver for five years! You don't see taxi drivers like her in England!

She told me the bar-fine is a very steep 1500 but comes down to 1200 after midnight. She quoted 3000 short-time, which I'm sure could be haggled down. A girl quoted me the same in Sugar Sugar last year and immediately accepted 2000.

There was an old couple sat on the next table easily in their 70's, presumably a husband and wife. It was an odd sight seeing them holding hands watching the topless girls on stage. Next to them was a man in an Elvis wig, which gave me opportunity to tell a few Elvis jokes to Macca as he ate an omelette at a small stall at the entrance to Tree Town. The 'all shook up' one went down particularly well.

I spotted a pretty girl I bought a ladydrink for a year ago in Area 52 but she was with a Korean customer. I pointed out a slender dark-skinned girl to Macca who I've noticed keeps looking over to me. 'She's pretty' I said. 'Nah you've had a nightmare there' he replied brutally. Life would be boring if we all had the same taste.

It was 11 pm and Macca wanted to find a relaxed bar to watch a football match, which was my cue to go solo and find a girl. I'm finding on this trip I often reach a point late in the night when I'm not interested in the time and effort (and expense) of trying to find a girl in a bar, I just want to find the quickest route in to a girl's knickers as possible. I walked up soi Honey but the only girl that caught my eye was a big-boobed cutie I fucked on my last trip, who has probably been rode more times since than the motorbike taxis on Beach Road.

So inevitably I ended on soi 6. It was as busy as I've ever seen it, lots of girls lining the front of every bar and a river of men streaming down the centre of the road. I love this place. The only thing I'd change is banning the nuisance cars that cruise down the road, usually just some tourists having a perv. Get out of the car and walk like the rest of us you lazy fuckers!

I saw plenty of nice girls on my first recce, my favourite of whom was a pretty little thing outside Kim Jong Un's favourite bar Love Missile. However, I was on a mission tonight. Earlier I'd been chatting with Macca and I said it would be amazing to step back in time and visit Pattaya when all the girls were just naturally pretty and dark-skinned with no tattoos. That was what I was looking for tonight, a beautiful untainted Isaan girl.

I saw a prime candidate outside one of bars. Again sadly I have to keep the name of the bar to myself because ElMexicant will try to post a photo of the girl. She was very skinny with dark skin and long frizzy hair down to her bum. She was a cheeky monkey with a mischievous grin too so I couldn't resist taking her inside for a drink. After a nice chat I asked her how much and she said 400 for the room and 1000 for her. Deal. She was wearing tight white shorts and I followed her peachy bum up the stairs to an excellent room with a mirror next to the bed, always a bonus.

She was a great kisser, soft and sensual and her pussy was so tight I had to be careful not to shoot my load too soon. At first I was very gentle with her but soon we were fucking hard. It looked great in the mirror, especially pounding in to her doggy-style, or when she was riding me. It was some of the best sex of the trip so far.

After we showered and got changed, I paid her and we walked down the stairs and re-entered the bar. There were several Thai policemen chatting with members of staff. It all seemed quite jovial, perhaps they were checking IDs.

I got a songthaew along Beach Road and then limped like an old man along soi Diana and soi Lengkee back to my hotel.

I'm really enjoying this trip so far. Pattaya is buzzing again and there are far more nice girls.

Tomorrow I'm going on an all day bar-crawl on soi 6 with Macca.

Always my dilemma in Patts.

1. Go all out on a new GoGo girl (white bikini) 2000+3000+4 drinks or close 6 K ST.

2. Go all out on new Soi 6 girl (pink and white top) 2000+400+1 drink or close 2500 total ST.

3. Or stick to my black book girls (flower nighty) 1000-1500.

But I am glad to at least have the opportunity to choose. I just wonder do I choose decent girls or have bad taste. By the way pricing has always been partly about the customer. I've never been quoted 4000 barfine and 4000ST, especially at Windmill. Sometimes you just got to look in the mirror and figure out if there is something they don't like. Somebody pointed me to Owen on YT and I seriously need to quit picking on the others not so fortunate. Sometimes I forget I am on a entirely different playing field.

I prefer to have sex during the day and start early LOL. This allows me to stagger the sessions by few hours which is what I need for recharging the battery. However, in Pattaya, I have run into almost total failure while trying to arrange day time dates. All FLs on BR told me they work till 2 PM so need to sleep. Only 2-3 agreed, only one actually showed up. Others dozed off again after responding to my text around 11 AM.

Starting the day around 7-8 pm puts me in awkward position, I am not in mood for another session for next 4 hours and there are hardly any beauties worth the trouble on BR.

How do you guys score day dates?

[QUOTE=Margaya;2900424]How do you guys score day dates?[/QUOTE]Pretty gogo girls in Pattaya who were BF LT the night before don't wake up til 3 or 4 pm unless you're taking them to lunch. Then they go back to sleep at your place or back home.

For day time go to REAL G clubs like Kinnaree, Passion, etc. Even these don't get busy until 3 pm. Then there are the BJ bars. Otherwise the massage joints around Diana and Buakhao. Soi 6 has some girls by 2 pm. Guess you can try your luck at a soapie too. Only guaranteed way is to have a LT girl from the night before but make it clear she needs to stay with you for a bang after lunch. You may need to pay extra for this request.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2900386]Always my dilemma in Patts.

1. Go all out on a new GoGo girl (white bikini) 2000+3000+4 drinks or close 6 K ST.

2. Go all out on new Soi 6 girl (pink and white top) 2000+400+1 drink or close 2500 total ST.

3. Or stick to my black book girls (flower nighty) 1000-1500.

But I am glad to at least have the opportunity to choose. I just wonder do I choose decent girls or have bad taste. By the way pricing has always been partly about the customer. I've never been quoted 4000 barfine and 4000ST, especially at Windmill. Sometimes you just got to look in the mirror and figure out if there is something they don't like. Somebody pointed me to Owen on YT and I seriously need to quit picking on the others not so fortunate. Sometimes I forget I am on a entirely different playing field.[/QUOTE]No comparison between the go-go girl and the soi 6 girl. Go for the latter any day.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2900386]Sometimes I forget I am on a entirely different playing field.[/QUOTE]The playing field you're on is that you pay girls to have sex with you, which is the exact same playing field as everyone else. Although most people don't pay the inflated prices you do.

Today we planned a bar crawl on soi 6, so I optimistically put three condoms in to my pocket before setting off. Feeling lazy I jumped on the back of a motorbike taxi to take me there which meant I was early for my 4 pm meet with Macca.

We slowly walked down the road and opted to start at Wrath. There were 20 girls and the standard was excellent with three or four definite candidates, my favourite of which, a tall tanned girl with a lovely face, was commandeered by a Japanese gent. The girls wore police uniforms but I've never seen police in shorts that small back in England.

Next I was coaxed in to Offshore Bar by a distinctive girl with curly hair and jewel decorations around her eyes. We got good seats at the front, not just giving us an excellent view of the girls at the front of the bar, all wearing tight pink tops and black miniskirts, but girls in adjacent bars too. I bought a drink for a lovely girl with fair hair. I was interested in her so enquired about prices. She didn't understand so called over an older girl.

"400 for room, girl price up to girl" she said.

It never ceases to amaze me how some people claim there is one set price for girls on soi 6. There are easily over a thousand girls working each night, of varying shapes, sizes and ages, ranging from chubby 40 year olds to slender cuties who could be dancing around a chrome pole at one of the top gogo bars. The large majority of girls will still ask for 1000 but the younger, prettier ones will ask 1500 and the occasional standout may try for 2000. If they ask 1500 or 2000, offer 500 less and in my experience they'll accept.

The girl I was interested in became distracted in buying jewellery from a vendor walking past, so I decided to abort and we headed to another bar. Macca chose because he saw a guy from Memphis he wanted to talk to about music, in doing so becoming the first man in soi 6 history to select a bar based on its clientele. While Macca chatted in Brent-like fashion to his new black friend, I surveyed the talent. There was a pretty girl with a lily in her hair. A lot of these bars are quite similar really, 20 girls with about two or three contenders.

Then I spotted an incredibly cute, fresh-faced girl previously hidden from vision on the opposite side of the bar. I waited until she looked in my direction and waved her over. She was tiny. Her English was minimal but she made an effort, using a translation app on her phone several times. I couldn't resist, she was 20 years old and had the face of an angel. She quoted 2000 but accepted my 1500 counter-offer.

She took her high heels off at the bottom of the stairs, piling them on a rack with dozens of other shoes, and led me up to a stiflingly hot room. She was tiny in bare feet, less than 5 foot. The sex was great. She was an enthusiastic kisser and smiled almost the whole time. After an inexperienced blowjob we fucked in multiple positions, culminating in her riding me, sat bolt upright, cute smile on her face, as I squeezed her tiny tits. God I love Pattaya. We lay next to each other afterwards and she was in no rush to get back to the bar. At one point I thought she had fallen asleep.

I walked down soi 6 and saw Macca in Playpen, which had a collection of slightly older girls. Again we sat at the front and watched a river of men walking past. The place was heaving. A middle-aged Korean man was vlogging, holding a stick with three phones attached to it and pointing it in to girls faces in front of each bar. In the past this would have resulted in the girls hiding their face but instead they posed for him. I bought some meat skewers from a vendor opposite. The old lady said they were chicken but I have my doubts.

After a drink in Poison, we went to another bar nearby. I remember this bar as I fucked a lovely big-boobed girl here a few trips ago. There was a collection of nice girls wearing tight yellow tops but as I was admiring them, pondering to offer one of them a lady-drink, a fight broke out between two of the older girls. It was a proper catfight with blows traded and culminated with the girls rolling on the pavement, having to be separated by the other girls and three security men. Later we found out that one of the girls had discovered some of her money went missing and accused the other one.

A girl with curly hair attached herself to me and kept rubbing my dick, which with stunning predictability fell for her underhand tactics and rose to attention. She quoted 1500 but accepted 1000. I picked her because her feisty nature suggested she'd be a tiger in the bedroom and I wasn't disappointed. She deepthroated me, fixing me with eye contact, then when we were fucking in mish she said "you wan fuck me, I wan fuck you too" pulling my hips hard in to her. It was an energetic session.

In the bar I told her I'd pay her 1000 "plus tip if you make me smile", so I did my usual joke and put 5 baht in to her outstretched hand. After receiving the customary playful punch to the gut, I gave her an additional couple of hundred baht notes.

It was her turn to play a joke on me as we walked down the stairs, telling me she was 15. "Why you not believe?" she said innocently but when she saw the nervous expression on my face she burst out laughing. Macca was still in the bar downstairs and grumbled that I'd been up in the room for an hour, which I can't believe was the case. But maybe it was, it's easy to lose track of time.

It was 10 pm when we went to Repent. Macca still hadn't taken a girl but was interested in one of the Hello, girls on the street, a classical Thai beauty. I made several comments suggesting he should buy her a drink but he said my interfering was annoying him and making him not want to take her. I couldn't understand his logic but backed off. Another customer bought her a drink shortly afterwards and she looked even more beautiful as she breezed past.

Another girl with a playful sense of humour tempted Macca in Wrath, the bar we'd started our bar-crawl on over six hours earlier. There was an arrogant man wearing a sombrero on the next table, loudly telling his friend how he was the king of soi 6. So imagine my amusement when he began talking numbers with a girl.

'I pay you 1000' the Mexican said. The pretty girl nearly snorted up her sangsom and coke in derision.

'2000' she said.

'Okay chica, I pay you 1300, final offer' he said, leaning back hands clasped behind his head, maraca bulging in his pocket.

'2000' she repeated.

'Okay, okay, you got me. 1500, let's go he said, a sense of rising panic on his face.

She shook her head.

'Okay 2000!' he snapped before following her up to the room for a session of the most perfunctory sex imaginable.

On the one hand it's amusing seeing guys like this get schooled by a 20 year old fresh from the province, but on the other hand it's people like our Mexican amigo here who drive up the prices for the rest of us.

After finishing my drink I suddenly realised I'd barely eaten today, so went to get a burger at McDonald's on Beach Road. The arrangement was for Macca to meet up with me after he'd squared his bill and we'd then go to Walking Street where he planned to meet his favourite girl and long-time friend in Classroom. However it didn't work out that way. Macca didn't meet me at McDonald's and I couldn't find him anywhere. I suspect he either hastily went with a girl on soi 6 or went to see his favourite girl at Classroom on his own.

I was tempted to find a girl but I felt tired and a bit drunk too, so decided to head back to my hotel. On a spur of the moment though, I rang the buzzer on the songthaew and jumped at the foot of soi 7. I thought it might be useful to see what it's like, in case I fancied visiting on another night, but the girls were too old for my liking.

However that changed when I walked in to Myth beer-bar complex. At one of the bars near 2nd Road I locked eyes on a girl I recognised. Her eyes widened and she sprinted out of the bar and hugged me so hard she nearly knocked me off my feet. It was a girl I barfined two years ago, when the place was sleepy after covid and bars closed at 11 pm. On that trip pretty girls were much harder to find but I saw a diamond in the rough at Joy Bar, and we spent the night together. Her mamasan had told me I was her first ever bar-fine and to take care of her. She had been extremely shy and barely spoke a word of English but two years later has blossomed and speaks conversational English. I promised her I'd return tomorrow night, it was great to see her again.

The question of the title is slightly rhetorical because there's no way you can know, so I'm asking for educated guesses.

People talk on here about the attractive of the girls in Pattaya and truthfully there's very few actual 10/10's. However, one day a few months ago I was sitting in Starbucks on Beach Rd and there was a young white guy looked like in his late-20's and I overheard him talking to I'm assuming his friend on the phone saying "I got another one coming right now. ".

Two minutes later, a gorgeous girl walks in. I mean a true 10. She couldn't have been older than 22. Way better than the girls you see working Soi 6 or any bars. She sits at his table for a 1 minute chat and then they walk off.

What are your guesses as to where he found these gems?

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2900592]
It never ceases to amaze me how some people claim there is one set price for girls on soi 6.[/QUOTE]That was the case before Corona. All bars had the same price. 1 K + 300. I never asked for a price before Corona. I didn't have to.

Is not just me or is it sorta really weird, when Owen gets her panties in a wad, if a bar girl gets her picture posted (taken from the bar's own public web page) on forums. Especially, when the person in question is going around Pattaya trying to film clubs, bars, girls, and customers for YouTube content. Then claims someone overpays when a higher end GoGo bar girls get 1000-1500 for ST. I swear again those COVID vaccines have done a number on quite a few people's brains that they become senseless.

Keeping it real.

The amount of Slender Cuties on Soi 6 who would be a Top dancer on Walk Street. Zero. Nada. Bupkis. None.

Trust me Fellas. Hahaha.

After the best night's sleep of the trip so far I had a lazy afternoon. My most productive accomplishment was hobbling to a pharmacy to buy some blister cream, much needed after my foolhardy decision to walk to and from the Sanctuary of a Truth in brand new flip-flops a couple of days ago. Aside from that I whiled away a few hours in a sleepy bar on soi Lengkee.

My Line pinged and it was a message from Macca, telling me about his disastrous Tinder meet. He sent me two photos, firstly the profile pic which was a very cute 23 year old with dimples in her cheeks, who I'm fairly confident most of us would swipe right to. But the second pic was the stark reality, which Macca took in his room. The girl looked older and barely recognisable, any trace of cuteness long evaporated. She offered a limited service too, all for the pre-arranged price of 1500. Ouch.

Macca filled me in on the grizzly details as we started tonight's bar crawl at Vixen, on soi Buakhao. A girl with glasses worked the passers-by but most of the 10 girls stood motionless at the front of the bar. My favourite girl had a unique appearance with big bambi eyes.

It was Macca's last night and he wanted to go on a mission. About 15 years ago he bar-fined a girl who he describes as the Thai girl he came closest to falling for. They've kept in touch since and she now works at Classroom on soi 13/4. We took the baht bus there but sadly the girl in question was in Bangkok. I took a photo of Macca looking sad underneath the Classroom sign, which he sent to her.

While in this neck of the woods we decided to visit Walking Street. Firstly Macca walked us down the jetty to Pattaya Beer Garden, where he fondly recalled meeting many freelancers in yesteryear. It's now been transformed into a nice looking restaurant and there weren't any girls lingering looking for custom. Maybe we were too early as I know a lot of freelancers head to Walking Street later at night.

Macca's 'Greatest Hits' tour continued with a visit to Windmill, which is located down a side alley from Walking Street. It has a new sister bar Windmill 2, opposite, which I'm told is the same kind of thing. We got stools next to the stage and 10 fairly average girls were onstage, including two pairs of girls who were completely naked in lesbian sex act positions. If you tip these girls, you can interact with them. A Japanese man has his hand down a girl's knickers and his other hand in her bra, fondling her tits. Not bad for the price of a ladydrink.

The second dance shift included a pretty brown-skinned girl who looked fresh from the province. The bar also has an upstairs section which arguably had younger, prettier girls.

We went for a wander up Walking Street, which was crowded with a river of tourists. Large groups followed guides, waving flags above their heads. Crowds gathered around stalls where customers threw balls towards a disc and if they hit a girl was plunged in to a pool of water.

Pinup has a reputation of being one of the better gogo bars on the street and it was packed with customers. Two stages were crowded with 40 girls, including a few honeys but also a lot of average girls too. On my last visit here I was blown away by the talent levels but not tonight. We stayed for three dance shifts and surprisingly we weren't hassled to buy ladydrinks. On my previous trip to Walking Street I disliked the incessant drink requests but not once tonight were we asked. Is Walking Street turning a corner? If the barfines came down then perhaps I could be tempted to return.

We took a songthaew back to Myth where I bought several lady-drinks for the girl I bumped in to last night, who I barfined two years ago on Tree Town. There was another prime example of the evolution of a bargirl. Two years ago she spoke so little English I ended up playing pool against her and she barely knew how to hold the cue, but now she's a pool shark, smashing everyone who dares take her on. She beat Macca, who will have his defeat to reflect on during his long flight home tomorrow.

I enquired about the barfine and she told me it was 500 and quoted 1500 for short-time. It looked like a deal was imminent but then she walked over to her Mum, who runs the bar. The pretty girl said something in Thai and pointed towards me. Her Mum gave a quick shake of her head and the girl returned and told me apologetically that she couldn't barfine tonight as she 'has appointment'. I'd been cock-blocked by her Mum! It wasn't surprising really. The bar didn't have many girls and if I barfined its star attraction there would be far fewer customers for the rest of the evening.

Time was marching on and I needed to find a girl. I did a quick sweep of Tree Town and soi Buakhao and found myself on soi Pothole. My intention was to take the girl I know at The Den up for a quick short-time but she was chatting with another customer in a dark corner. I bought a drink for a pretty dark-skinned girl at a bar near the top of the street but when I enquired about prices she quoted 4000! I'm sure some people would blacklist this bar as a result of such a ludicrous price but there's usually a good reason. Chances are she'd just been fucked and needed a break.

There weren't many honeys up soi Honey, sois 7 and 8 were barren, so predictably I ended up at soi 6.

It was 1 am and a lot of the bars at the top of the street were already closing. I had to act quickly to find a girl. I saw a pretty candidate at Lollipop but ended up buying a drink for a girl with a petite figure and long luscious hair at a bar roughly halfway down. Again, I would normally divulge the name of the bar but ElMexicant will post pictures of the bar's ugliest girls, so I won't.

The girl told me it was her first day, something you hear a lot in Pattaya. In this instance I believed her as she didn't know what to do with the drinks bill and kept looking to the mamasan for guidance. She told me she hasn't been with a customer yet, so I expected her to quote a high price and she didn't disappoint, asking for 3000! I told her it was too much but after I gulped down my drink she came down to 2000 and then eventually 1500. I think it was a fair price given the quality of the girl and besides, the time was 1. 20 am and I knew I was running the risk of soi 6 closing if I didn't act decisively.

I followed her up to the strangest soi 6 room I've been in and we had a really good session. I hate it when girls groan theatrically but this girl whimpered softly throughout. When she was riding me with real gusto the headboard of the bed fell on to my head which she found very funny. I wonder if I can file an insurance claim after the trip? Imagine the awkward conversion explaining how it happened.

I asked her to sit on my face to finish and ate her pussy until there was a knock on the door to inform us it was closing time. We quickly showered, descended the dark staircase and through the now closed bar on to the rapidly emptying street.

In football terminology, a last minute winner.

[QUOTE=FortyDrinks;2900705]Keeping it real.

The amount of Slender Cuties on Soi 6 who would be a Top dancer on Walk Street. Zero. Nada. Bupkis. None.

Trust me Fellas. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]Respectfully I disagree. I think a lot of people look at Walking Street through rose tinted glasses, that every girl on every stage is the pinnacle of beauty. It's not the case. I've just posted a report in which I went to Walking Street and even Pinup, a bar with one of the best reputations, had a lot of average girls. There were 40 girls on stage and I stayed for three dance shifts and I reckon I saw five girls in total I considered buying a drink for. Some of the top girls on soi 6 would breeze in to bars like this. ElMexicant's recent post in which he pondered over a Walking Street girl or a soi 6 girl is a good example of this. The soi 6 girl was infinitely prettier.

I've been stood up umpteen times but never in so gross a fashion.

This girl had agreed to show up at 2 pm. Now at 2 pm she tells me she had been slowed down because it rained in Pattaya (it didn't!) and she was only on her way back to Pattaya as she was from Rayong.

Three worldwide Famous streamers are streaming from inside soi 6 bars regularly.

Zondo. Crazytawn. Mr Sins.

You can see for yourself how Hot the Girls are. Temper your expectations guys. LOL. Hahaha.

They are very Friendly men so join them if you want. Buy 40 drinks for your favorite and you too can become a You Tube Star.

The Streamers are always looking for New Content. Dint be Shy guys.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2900386]Always my dilemma in Patts.

1. Go all out on a new GoGo girl (white bikini) 2000+3000+4 drinks or close 6 K ST.

2. Go all out on new Soi 6 girl (pink and white top) 2000+400+1 drink or close 2500 total ST.

3. Or stick to my black book girls (flower nighty) 1000-1500.

But I am glad to at least have the opportunity to choose. I just wonder do I choose decent girls or have bad taste. By the way pricing has always been partly about the customer. I've never been quoted 4000 barfine and 4000ST, especially at Windmill. Sometimes you just got to look in the mirror and figure out if there is something they don't like. Somebody pointed me to Owen on YT and I seriously need to quit picking on the others not so fortunate. Sometimes I forget I am on an entirely different playing field.[/QUOTE]You mind sharing which bar is that? Thanks.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2900592]God I love Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Just wanted to say a big thanks and bravo for your wonderfully entertaining whilst simultaneously useful reports. Great reading them. Keep them coming Sir.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2900907]Respectfully I disagree. I think a lot of people look at Walking Street through rose tinted glasses, that every girl on every stage is the pinnacle of beauty. It's not the case. I've just posted a report in which I went to Walking Street and even Pinup, a bar with one of the best reputations, had a lot of average girls. There were 40 girls on stage and I stayed for three dance shifts and I reckon I saw five girls in total I considered buying a drink for. Some of the top girls on soi 6 would breeze in to bars like this. ElMexicant's recent post in which he pondered over a Walking Street girl or a soi 6 girl is a good example of this. The soi 6 girl was infinitely prettier.[/QUOTE]You can say that cause you're there, lucky enough to be boots on the ground. But for unlucky fucks like me, I'd see videos of that and think to myself that I'd sell my soul in a heartbeat to be rich so I can just be there, and soak it all in. It's weird how the grass is always greener, but by Lucifer, in Thailand, the grass actually IS greener. Don't complain. Feel sorry for us schmucks stuck here in the states. Go enjoy them girls. Cause even a solid 5, is still cheap pussy thanks to it being Thailand. Here, freaking 4's will still charge 300 an hour. Jeezum crotchety christ!

After breakfast I decided to have a quick walk up soi Honey. It was 11.30 am but I didn't see a girl who grabbed my attention. The older girls called 'dar-ling' as I walked past, which I believe means 'monkey arse' in Thai.

I got back to my room and messaged a girl who I matched with on Tinder a few days ago. 'Go away * she replied. I assumed she mistook me for someone else but no, apparently not messaging her back immediately made me a time-waster. Some people live and die by online meets in Pattaya but I find the whole process incredibly tedious.

At 4. 30 pm I decided to head to soi 6 on a spur of the moment. I was due to meet Sam later at 7 pm, so needed to find a girl quickly. No time for a bar crawl and careful deliberations today. The street was busy and I was lured in to one bar with a cluster of pretty girls outside. Sorry again for not posting the name of the bar but ElMexicant will post photos of the ugliest girls, to labour some point I'm sure is very important to him.

I was served by a very cute small girl but my attention was grabbed by a gorgeous specimen standing outside. She was tall, skinny and had the face of an angel. I waited until she looked in my direction and beckoned her over for a drink. She was even better up close, possibly in my top 5 girls I've seen on soi 6. I enquired about the room and she told me it would cost 400 baht and her price was 2000, the figure the creme de la creme seem to aim for these days. We agreed on 1500. I have no doubt someone will reply that I overpaid because they only ever pay 1000, or perhaps never discuss prices and slip the girl 1000 afterwards, but it's just bravado. A girl this quality would laugh in your face if you offered her the same amount as one of the older, chubbier girls on the opposite side of the street. Guys who pay 1000 are plucking the low hanging fruit.

'You buy me tequila tray too?' she asked with a flutter of her eyelashes. I've noticed this is another money-making ploy creeping in on this street. A few days ago I saw a sexy girl successfully persuade her elderly Japanese customer to get her a tray of 10 tequilas, which she duly shared with the other girls.

'I'm not Korean!' I joked, which she laughed at.

The sex was nothing special but she was such a pretty girl, especially naked with her hair spread across the pillow, I didn't mind. The air-con wasn't pointing towards to the bed so I happily made it a quickie and was back at my hotel half an hour later.

I'd arranged to meet Sam at Area 52 at 7 pm but 10 minutes later he messaged me on Line saying he couldn't make it. On my last trip he came out on a bar crawl with me every night, on this trip just once in eight days. Fair to say his well has run dry. I suddenly felt a bit gloomy. Macca flew home today, Sam was too skint, and Tree Town was quiet tonight.

But from that point onwards the night picked up considerably.

Firstly, I saw a familiar face walk past. It was one of my favourite girls of recent trips, an impossibly cute girl I met at a bar on soi 6 last year. I fucked her a few times at her bar on soi 6 and on my last day, which happened to be her day off, she came round to my hotel. We fucked before bedtime and she woke me two further times in the night for more sex. She was nymphomaniac. And now here she was, walking down the street. I sent her a message on Line asking where she was going and 20 minutes later she sent me a photo of a beer with bright lights in the background. Thai girls never like to make things easy for you! I put on my detective hat and decided that the layout of the bar and configuration of lights looked like Myth Night.

After eating a very tasty burger at 3 Town Steak, a good place to watch the comings and goings on Tree Town, I went to Myth and immediately found her sitting at one of the quieter bars. She told me she now works as a freelancer, which figures. She's very small and cute and could easily command a higher figure in the tourist spots. She was with friends, one of whom was a pretty fair-haired girl, and they had plans to head to Walking Street, so I waved them goodbye and promised I'd message on Line. She'd be a good bet for an afternoon meet.

I backtracked on to Tree Town and bought a drink for a cute 19 year old at Ass 95. There was a language barrier between us last year but another year tucked under her belt and her English is now conversational. I enquired about the barfine price and she told me it was 700 baht for short-time and her price was 2000, before adding she cannot go tonight but can tomorrow. Tomorrow I don't plan to be out late as I have an early start next day to travel to Philippines, so she's a good option for when I return to Pattaya later in March.

It was 10 o'clock when I walked up soi Honey. My eyes were immediately drawn to a cute girl with glittery eye makeup sat on the steps at one of the massage shops. She quoted a bargain price of 1200 for 'massage and boom boom' so I took my shoes off and followed her up the stairs to a curtained cubicle illuminated by a blue neon light.

After showering she gave me a decent massage before inviting me to turn over and pretending to look shocked that I had an erection. These are the kind of massage-with-extras I love. It feels seedy being given a blowjob when you can hear other people quietly talking in the other curtained cubicles. I fucked her in mish and she made no attempt to stay quiet, groaning loudly as I slapped in to her, then she rode me skilfully, rocking her hips on mine, nipples erect. She was very affectionate too, kissing throughout and we chatted for ages after we had finished. What a great find.

I thought today was going to be a disappointment but it ended up being a success. I went with two great girls and had drinks with two other girls I've previously barfined, both of whom I'd be interested in meeting again.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2901177]You can say that cause you're there, lucky enough to be boots on the ground. But for unlucky fucks like me, I'd see videos of that and think to myself that I'd sell my soul in a heartbeat to be rich so I can just be there, and soak it all in. It's weird how the grass is always greener, but by Lucifer, in Thailand, the grass actually IS greener. Don't complain. Feel sorry for us schmucks stuck here in the states. Go enjoy them girls. Cause even a solid 5, is still cheap pussy thanks to it being Thailand. Here, freaking 4's will still charge 300 an hour. Jeezum crotchety christ![/QUOTE]Haha I totally agree. Pattaya is paradise. You'd think reading the incessant moaning and negativity on this thread that we're taking about Beirut. I'm having a great time and funnily enough all the farang I chat to at bars are having a great time too. Get saving mate and you'll be here living the dream before you know it.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2901290]Haha I totally agree. Pattaya is paradise. You'd think reading the incessant moaning and negativity on this thread that we're taking about Beirut. I'm having a great time and funnily enough all the farang I chat to at bars are having a great time too. Get saving mate and you'll be here living the dream before you know it.[/QUOTE]Exactly Sir Lancelot, I second that. Even Bangkok's worst day is better than any american city's best day. I'm trying Lancelot, I'm definitely trying. Thailand has so much to offer in the world of p4 p, someone would have to actually try just to have a bad time. A good time is always easily had in Thailand when it comes to paid action. Thai chicks are falling over themselves to get to us. Getting back to Thailand is all I live for now. Every day I drag my sorry ass to work, so one day I can bang some chicks in Thailand. By Beelzebub, Mammon, Asmodeus, Baal, and whatever fuck there is, I'm going to die trying. A dream worth dying for.

I went for breakfast at Sports Lounge and when I got back to my hotel booked a taxi for the airport for tomorrow morning. My flight to Manila departs at 11.15 am which means an early rise.

After a relaxing afternoon I got itchy feet at 3 pm, so decided to seek out some afternoon action. Being honest, apart from soi 6 I've struggled to find any decent quality during the afternoon on this trip but that was about to change.

It didn't start promisingly though. Soi Pothole was sleepy and I saw nothing on soi Honey to tempt me. I popped in to Honey 1 Body Massage but the fishbowl was very uninspiring. There were only 12 girls spread along the tiered seating, mainly older. I only saw one I would vaguely consider. She was wearing a black badge, which meant her services would have cost an eye-watering 4000 baht. To be fair you get a really nice massage service in these places and body-to-body should be on every man's bucket list, but I remember these places used to be home to many hotties. Not this afternoon though. Apparently 8 pm is the best time to get the biggest selection of girls.

It was a scorching hot afternoon so after a quick look around Tree Town I decided to abort mission and head back to my hotel. Most bars were either closed or just about beginning to show signs of life, yet one bar on soi Buakhao had a healthy lineup of 15 girls. It kills me not to be able to name the bar for you but I've had to edit all of them out of my diary because of ElMexicant's obsession with posting photos of girls I went with.

I sat down and bought a drink to get out of the sun and spotted a beautiful girl at the front of the bar. She was busy trying on shoes from a passing vendor's cart but eventually tottered past in her new sparkly heels and I offered her a drink. She was small, dark skinned and had a gorgeous face with big lips and a radiant smile. She looked like a younger sister of a favourite girl of mine, Ying, who I met on previous trip. I bought her a drink and we clicked so I enquired about prices. She didn't understand so called over the mamasan to interpret, always a sign the girl is very new. The mamasan said a room upstairs costs 500 and takeaway is 750. The girl asked for 2500 short-time but accepted 2000.

Then something happened I've never seen before.

She went to get changed and reappeared wearing a pair of frayed denim shorts and a black T-shirt. She took me by the hand to lead me out when all of the other girls formed a guard of honour and clapped her as we walked past! I presume this is some kind of initiation ceremony when girls take their first customer?

Then followed one of the best short-times I've ever had. She was possibly the most affectionate girl I've ever met, kissing me almost constantly, before, during and after sex. It was the kind of slow, sensual girlfriend sex I love and we lay naked chatting for at least half an hour afterwards, her teaching me lots of useful Thai phrases. Beautiful smile is 'yim swy'.

I haven't taken many girls from bars so far on this trip but maybe afternoon barfines are the way to go. I'll investigate further when I return to Pattaya in ten days.

With an early flight tomorrow I decided tonight I'd go to a few bars and try to select a girl as soon as possible. Like Cinderella, if I was out after midnight, I'd be in serious trouble.

Tree town was very quiet at 8 pm. I wandered over to Oh Bar and saw my elusive friend Sam sat at the bar. He was with two Cambodian girls he was treating to a few drinks out, which ended up being the whole afternoon and now in to the evening. Both girls had lady-drinks in front of them and apparently had been scoffing their faces all day. It's easy to see why Sam's money has ran out!

He told me that the younger of the two girls has just inherited two million baht after her German boyfriend sadly passed away after illness. She deserved her windfall as she tended for him devotedly for the last year of his life. His son on the other hand, who was a complete stranger to his ailing father in his latter years, received half the amount and is contesting it. I know blood is thicker than water but surely he hasn't got a prayer of getting his hands on the girl's money.

I went to Myth Night beer bar complex and bought a drink for a skinny girl at Area 52. She had a big tattoo on her leg, so I asked her how many she has. Three, she told me. I quickly spotted the second but couldn't find the third one anywhere, much to her amusement as I carefully checked her wrists, hips and lower limbs. It was like a sexy game of hide and seek. Eventually I found it, hidden behind her ear. She told me the barfine at this bar is 1200 baht or 800 after 10 pm, making it the most expensive in Myth I believe. We swapped Line details before I squared my bill.

It was 10 pm and I needed to find a girl. I trawled along soi Honey but saw only one girl I liked the look of, but when I said Hello, she seemed very shy. I continued walking, turned right on to soi Buakhao and then left on to soi Pothole. The girls are generally older on this stretch but occasionally there's a gem to be found. A few girls made me hesitate in front of their bar but no-one tempted me inside.

I just wanted a quick win to end the night and decided a Gent's Club was the perfect solution. I saw a girl I've fucked several times on previous trips, looking particularly sexy in pigtails, and went upstairs with her for 2000 baht. The room was excellent, a big double bed with a mirror next to it, the room Illuminated red, giving it a sleazy feel. A year ago when I fucked her it was slow, gentle sex but it's fair to say she's learnt a few tricks in 12 months. She almost kissed my face off as she threw me around the bed. When she was riding me, bullets like nipples, I couldn't resist standing up and fucking her. She wrapped her legs around me and thrust in to me, groaning like she was auditioning for Porn Hub.

As we got our breaths back she told me off for not fucking her doggy-style. 'I wanted you to pull my hair' she added.

What a great way to end my time in Pattaya. Two gorgeous girls, two amazing fucks.

I've enjoyed Pattaya. It's much busier than a year ago and pretty girls are plentiful. I fucked 13 girls in nine days, two from bars, two on soi Honey, one freelancer, one Tinder meet, one at a gent's club and the remaining four on soi 6. The standard of girls has been excellent.

Tomorrow I fly to Philippines so this diary will continue on the Manila thread, then Angeles.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2901371]......She went to get changed and reappeared wearing a pair of frayed denim shorts and a black T-shirt. She took me by the hand to lead me out when all of the other girls formed a guard of honour and clapped her as we walked past!.......[/QUOTE]Wow! Only in Thailand.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2901409]Owen gladly mentions where he eats, Honey 1, Oh Bar, Area 52, but doesn't want to name a bar on Buakhao. Loco and nutty at the same time, as you can get right there. That's it, if they force another COVID booster, I am flat out refusing. Too scared it will turn my brain into mush like our YouTube buddy, full of secrets.
[/QUOTE]Ok, you're a funny guy and I'd buy you a drink if I ever met you just to pay back for some good laughs, but guy does not want to you dig up photos, public or not, of girls he's banging.

What's the problem with respecting that? Who cares what his reasons are.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2901474]Ok, you're a funny guy and I'd buy you a drink if I ever met you just to pay back for some good laughs, but guy does not want to you dig up photos, public or not, of girls he's banging.

What's the problem with respecting that? Who cares what his reasons are.[/QUOTE]Tbh if I found a bar with attractive girls and affordable bar fines I would keep it to myself too.

[QUOTE=BroComplex;2901476]Tbh if I found a bar with attractive girls and affordable bar fines I would keep it to myself too.[/QUOTE]I'm going crazy.

There is no such place. Come on Fellas. LOL. Hahaha. Surely notbin Pattaya.

I've heard Dumaguete is the big drama town, but I'm not sure Pattaya doesn't have it beat. LOL.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2901177]You can say that cause you're there, lucky enough to be boots on the ground. But for unlucky fucks like me, I'd see videos of that and think to myself that I'd sell my soul in a heartbeat to be rich so I can just be there, and soak it all in. It's weird how the grass is always greener, but by Lucifer, in Thailand, the grass actually IS greener. Don't complain. Feel sorry for us schmucks stuck here in the states. Go enjoy them girls. Cause even a solid 5, is still cheap pussy thanks to it being Thailand. Here, freaking 4's will still charge 300 an hour. Jeezum crotchety christ![/QUOTE]Keep pumpin the money pump, Mr. York, and set up a good retirement savings that will keep you smiling in your golden years. That's what I did.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2900386]Sometimes I forget I am on a entirely different playing field.[/QUOTE]Sorry amigo, I still can't take you seriously after you posted this.

[blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] Most of it is so vague you can barely prove he was actually here. So many of you guys are wearing beer goggles over your rose tinted glasses. The worst part is you are blind also. I only post facts and information.

Short white guy. Clean cut. Wear shorts with collared shirts. Age low 50's. Last time here was 10 years ago. Been here now 16 days and ready to leave but will tough it out for the 2 months I originally planned but may have to spend time in Bangkok to finish my time. I hate the attitudes I have seen. LBFMs no longer applies. I am not a big guy and have had too many complaints about how long I take. And the average age of the girls working as dancers, door girls, and waitresses of Tree Town, Walking Street, LK Metro, and Beach Road street girls must be 35+.

HOSPITALS.

Pattaya International Hospital had one person in the lobby which is not a good sign. I asked if they did the tests I needed and they said yes. The lady at the desk I was talking to kept asking some guy questions or he was offering suggestions. I do not know. But it felt like he was a mamasan trying to upsell. I read several reviews later on Google stating they have many billing problems there.

Jomtien Hospital I believe the the newest hospital and is highly rated and supposedly cheaper than the others. Sadly, they did not offer what I needed.

I had to go to Bangkok Hospital Pattaya to get a sonogram and treadmill test for my heart. First come first serve. I was in and out in under 3 hours. $227! 8080 Baht. 900 be for the heart doctor and 7180 for the tests and misc. All guys should get this done!

BEACH.

The beach is not a beach. It is a huge ass tray. I hate smokers. Their tractor that pulls the strainer is unable to pick up cigarette butts or bottle tops. Utterly amazed at this because all the ones in Florida can.

BEACH ROAD FREELANCERS.

I swear 40% of the girls will not give you their contact info and over half the ones that turned me down for their contact info quickly turned into * attitudes. I have never seen anything like this before. They can do 5 guys a night. I can not do 5 girls a night. I want their number so I do not have to search for them night after night when I am ready.

I have taken 7 or so girls so far. Only one asked for money up front and I said no. She slammed my hotel door on the way out.

One was fun but turned into a starfish at the 10 minute point.

Be aware of the short girl with long red dyed hair who sometimes wears a cheerleader type outfit (mini skirt). Big boobs for her size until the top comes off. Then magically 60% of her boobs disappear. What is left over is soft and stretch marks from a child.

Did a tiny girl once who I met here (122 cm /4'10" Saw her twice on Beach Road. Works there from time to time. Works at LK Metro. I believe Boom / Unreal Bar (across from Exotic Bar). Yes, I saw her working there. She is skinny with glasses. Bad teeth. Not the prettiest yet cute. I usually post about unique girls and she is among the smallest you can get. Nice rack but are 20% smaller than what you think you see. Padded bra or something.

I got a number from a girl. Sent her a message and she did not reply. Saw her days later and lightly spanked her rear telling her she was a bad girl for not replying. She said I slapped her and got nasty so I walked away. Every time I walk past now she glares at me. Simply amazing.

Talked to another girl. I did not put my arm around her shoulders. I squeezed her shoulder muscle as I leaned in to ask her how much and she backed away as in no touching in public what so ever. I said "WTF" and walked away.

I nearly died when I saw a white kid about age 23 try to pick up a girl who looked like a ladyboy. There were two I think ladyboys. He approached from the side. The closest one to him as he was approaching them took several steps forward not looking at him as to basically reject him. The second one appeared not interested. He was young and good shape. Strange.

APPS.

Many apps have a setting to see people nearby.

WeChat you have to be grandfathered in as in you have had it and been using it. I tried to sign up and log in while in the Philippines. My buddy tried the same thing in Thailand. Both no luck and he had it years ago. Quick online research let me know that it appears Wechat is not accepting new applicants.

Telegram and Line were a sausage fest with a few ladyboys thrown in. Also, 2-3 ugly girls if that.

THAI FRIENDLY.

I lasted 2 hours and only lasted that long because I fell asleep. I signed up. Went to sleep for 2 hours. Looked for girls for 5 minutes. Tried to send a girl a message and was immediately informed I was banned for life. I tried to contact them asking what happened but no reply. Guess I should have entered my information and uploaded my picture first.

FIWFANS.

First I try Bell and she replies "No foreigners". Great start!

Most the girls seem to be located at Prima Place and Mooks Residences. Mooks is really nice like new nice but not much around it or I would stay there.

Champang has real large boobs and is short. Face not pretty and pitted from past acne?. Good in bed. Pictures match.

Maple pix all wrong. Face less pretty. Not chubby. She is fat. Sex I thought was fun. She did not think so which I learned days later. I was too lazy to go out so went back. She saw me through the door and did not answer my knock. I text the number and her mamasan informed me that last time I hurt her tummy. Remember I am not a big guy.

2 other girls I met were chubby and did not match their pix. One started complaining at the 8-10 minute mark that I took too long. I checked the time and I was in and out the door in 30 minutes with 2 mini showers taken while paying for 40 minutes.

I am at Mooks. I go up the elevator to the second floor and have to stand in a glass enclosure 1 meter x 2 meters until someone lets me in the hallway since I am not a resident with a card. I see Lydia and she matches her picture and is very pretty. But she does not think the same of me. She calls her pimp, opens the door to say "Cancel" and goes back to her room. I told the mamasan off telling them that if she does not like foreigners or white guys or short guys or whatever that it is their job to know this. Yes, I sent the mamasan my weight, height, and a picture to avoid problems during first contact which should be forwarded to the girl.

This is a worse success rate than the ones I used in Colombia.

WALKING STREET.

5 BB gun shooting booths. 2 water dunking booths with girls that are not pretty and not wearing sexy attire (aka bikinis). I want to go to the dunk booth. Take off my backpack. Put it in front of me. Pull out a true basketball and throw it at the target. Many new clubs / discos. Most had Indians trying to get you inside so I assume Indian owned too. The place is turning into a circus.

Asked one of the freelancers for her number. She said no and was not pleasant about it. Complete mood change. Asked a second one who was black and she said if I buy her a beer. She ended up thirsty. Both responses are great predictors of the bedroom attitudes I would have received.

Money exchange across from Sensation Go-Go has not required ID the 2 times I have used it when 2 different people were working it. Not the yellow TT. The one 7 meters to the right.

SOI 6.

Walked through my first night and exchanged glances with a girl at Wrath as I was walking past. Came back later and asked the same girl if she wanted to go upstairs. She acted as if she did not know English and her friend gave some BS excuse I could not understand and I left.

Nights later I was walking in back of the bars. Saw a bar girl and said "Hello". All she said was "No" so I kept walking.

Plan on focusing on Soi 6 for 5 days next week and see what happens.

HOTELS.

I-Rover $16. Always busy (bar, resto, darts). You have to walk your girl through all these guys to get to the back stairs. No ID check. Place closes at 1:00 am so you have the front door key and access to the resto area. Place was surprising quiet on the 3rd floor.

Pasadena Lodge $21. Little noisy on the 2nd floor because they are renovating the ground floor. That hammer-drill noise is something else.

Crystal Suites $18.4 rooms only and all on the 3rd floor. 2 front rooms with balconies and 2 rear rooms. I had back room. I did not like it because dark walls and weak lighting made it depressing. Very dark so can sleep your life away in there. Other problem was my bed sunk in the middle which was beginning to give me a slight lower back pain. No ID check. Just walk to the right side and to the back of the bar to the stairs. I asked one of the bar girls for her number as I walked past and she said she could not (nobody was around to see).

Crystal Suites, I-Rover, and Pasadena are all in a row.

Sureena Hotel $23 Soi 13/2 is the loudest of the 4 hotels because the middle section is open to all the floors. Only good thing is being well centered of most the Beach Road girls so you can walk straight to the hotel without needing a moto taxi. Employees not friendly.

Friendliest staff, comfortable, and clean goes to Pasadena Lodge for the win.

I hate seeing Hotels with the words "beach" or "marina" in their name when they are a kilometer away.

FOOD.

Best food finds for me is the 8 ounce Kiwi and the Lychee juice bottles for 35 be at the Boeing 747 near Soi 6.

Love the coconut ice cream inside the half coconut with the coconut flesh for 40 be. Finding the cart when you want one is a real pain.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2901474]guy does not want to you dig up photos, public or not, of girls he's banging.

What's the problem with respecting that? Who cares what his reasons are.[/QUOTE]I've been too busy having fun in Angeles to give ElMexicant the attention he craves but here is my explanation.

Probably about 15 years ago I posted a similar style diary on the Angeles page and included photos of the girls. I try to make my diaries as informative as possible and I thought including pictures of the girls would be interesting to anyone reading. Furthermore I naively thought I was doing the girls a favour. I thought it they provide excellent service they deserve to be highlighted and it might even throw a little extra custom their way.

But then someone from the forum took their phone to all of the bars I mentioned, sought out the girls and showed them what I'd written about them. I assume he wanted to play the knight-in-shining-armour role to get close to pretty girls for once.

It turns out the girls were really upset. I was friends with one on Facebook and she was mortified I'd described what we had got up to. She told me the other girls in the bar all read it and she had to leave the bar because she felt humiliated. I felt terrible. Another girl contacted me and was equally pissed off. Bear in mind I'd posted glowing reports about each (I even called one the 'blowjob queen') yet they were still upset.

So I learnt from my mistake and from that point onwards never include the real name of the girls I went with or their photo. Sometimes I used blurred faces but never linked with sexual descriptions. I try to respect the girls.

But unfortunately on this trip ElMexicant has taken it upon himself to try to expose the identities of girls that I'd tried to hide.

He's obviously doing it to take a swipe at me but it's hugely disrespectful to the girls and also fellow board members too, who sadly get a watered down version of my diary, without some really key info. It's frustrating as I want to make my diary useful to people who might be reading, especially those who might be planning a trip themselves. This forum is supposed to be about sharing information, right?

For some reason every page on ISG has someone like ElMexicant, an expat who feels it's his duty to police the forum and tell everyone else what they're doing wrong.

A reminder, the reason ElMexicant has taken a dislike to me is that he accused me of overpaying when I paid 1500 on soi 6 and I dug out a post of his a few weeks earlier in which he'd paid 2000! Since then all he ever posts about is me. Nothing constructive or adding value to the board, just drama.

His latest 'gotcha' is calling me Owen in his posts because he wrongly thinks I'm a guy with a YouTube channel. It's yet another thing he's got wrong but it shows that he is perfectly willing to 'out' fellow board members and reveal their identities on a public forum, surely the biggest dick move you can do on a forum like this?

It's interesting though. I had NapaSlapper troll me in similar fashion on the Angeles page last year and he used the immortal line 'leave the fucking to the big boys' and now here ElMexicant is boasting that he is 'on an entirely different playing field'.

Why do these people think they're special? What is there to boast about?

They're paying girls to have sex with them, something literally anyone else on this forum can do.

[QUOTE=DCups;2901536]Keep pumpin the money pump, Mr. York, and set up a good retirement savings that will keep you smiling in your golden years. That's what I did.[/QUOTE]I'm trying the Cups, every day at work it's a battle, but each day I get paid, it's another day closer to Bangkok. I aim low these days, not even years, I'd be happy with just a few months of debauchery in Thailand, and I'm out of there, David Carradine style! I'd party like it was the end of my life, which it kinda is anyway.

I definitely don't want to end up like them homeless foreign dudes that get stuck in Thailand with nothing, like these poor schmucks.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnR-CIG0k0Q[/URL]

I choose to go in style, like David Carradine. Ha! It's weird though, reports like this about expat types that end up homeless in Thailand are few and far in between these days. Does that mean we've cleaned up our act, and are doing ok in Thailand? At this point, there's got to be plenty of homeless white guys in Thailand.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2901564]If you can't understand what's the problem, then figure it out I say.

Wonder who posted these pics of these girls he banged on ISG, but gets panties waded up when the other identify the girls as well?

And who is it again that goes around publicly filming bars, working girls, and customers for social media content like YouTube?

So what's this about respect, personal privacy, and exposure again? Ask your buddy Owen.

Learn what "entitlement" means, I say. Damn these male Karens popping up everywhere not understanding and pointing fingers.

Sounding silly, all these kettles calling pots stainless steel.[/QUOTE]Wait, you know who it is that uploads them youtube type videos? The guys living the dream. Got to be making 3 to 5 grand a month, easy. Granted there's a ton of youtube channels that show Bangkok nightlife, but that's the miracle of it all. Most of them all do pretty well view count wise. If you know who one of them dudes are, can you spill the beans? Message me or something, I want to ask the guy for some tips, advice, etc. How to get started. How to make all this happen, cause they've made it. Living the life, living the dream! We should all be so lucky.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2901861]I choose to go in style, like David Carradine.[/QUOTE]Isn't he the one that hung himself while jacking off? Why would you want to go out like that? That is no kind of in style that I have ever heard of.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2901774]I do not write literotica like Sir Lancelot that so many of you fools are so impressed by. Most of it is so vague you can barely prove he was actually here. So many of you guys are wearing beer goggles over your rose tinted glasses. The worst part is you are blind also. I only post facts and information.

Short white guy. Clean cut. Wear shorts with collared shirts. Age low 50's. Last time here was 10 years ago. Been here now 16 days and ready to leave but will tough it out for the 2 months I originally planned but may have to spend time in Bangkok to finish my time.[/QUOTE]If you hate it there why would you still want to spend two months there? Thailand is a beautiful place. Why not take the time to travel? You could go to some islands, scuba dive (or learn to do so), Chang Mai, Bangkok etc. You can make quick side trips to Cambodia (Angkor is amazing) or a quick flight to numerous SEA countries. You have made the effort to allocate 2 months of time and flown across the world. I think even unlimited pussy is boring after a while. 2 months in Pattaya is too much.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2901880]Isn't he the one that hung himself while jacking off? Why would you want to go out like that? That is no kind of in style that I have ever heard of.[/QUOTE]He is UnHonged that's why.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2901880]Isn't he the one that hung himself while jacking off? Why would you want to go out like that? That is no kind of in style that I have ever heard of.[/QUOTE]Like the man said, he aims low these days.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2901926]If you hate it there why would you still want to spend two months there? Thailand is a beautiful place. Why not take the time to travel? You could go to some islands, scuba dive (or learn to do so), Chang Mai, Bangkok etc. You can make quick side trips to Cambodia (Angkor is amazing) or a quick flight to numerous SEA countries. You have made the effort to allocate 2 months of time and flown across the world. I think even unlimited pussy is boring after a while. 2 months in Pattaya is too much.[/QUOTE]I am spending 9-11 months in Asia. I may move on to the next country on my list of 4 countries soon. I was here 7 years ago for a month and 15 years prior for 3 weeks. Just want to exhaust all possibilities. Today a street girl complained I took too long again at the 10 minute mark. Hardly a LBFM! But I found another.

Oh, forgot. One of my dates I made on Fiwfan was 45 minutes away. Got there 15 minutes early and she supposedly went out.

I rarely talk to foreigners. But chatted with 2 thus far. Funny but one has experienced the exact same things as me. Both of us are in shock. He is pissed because all his friends (who have not been here in 15 years) told him he just had to come. He had the same experiences in his 3 days in Bangkok and 4 day in Chiang Mai.

[QUOTE=Venturi34;2901055]You mind sharing which bar is that? Thanks.[/QUOTE]As a follow up in case anyone was curious I figured it out. That girl was from Omega bar and pretty sure she doesn't work there anymore. That picture is from January, not sure why the other dude stated like it was new.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2901861]I'm trying the Cups, every day at work it's a battle, but each day I get paid, it's another day closer to Bangkok. I aim low these days, not even years, I'd be happy with just a few months of debauchery in Thailand, and I'm out of there, David Carradine style! I'd party like it was the end of my life, which it kinda is anyway.

I definitely don't want to end up like them homeless foreign dudes that get stuck in Thailand with nothing, like these poor schmucks.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnR-CIG0k0Q[/URL]

I choose to go in style, like David Carradine. Ha! It's weird though, reports like this about expat types that end up homeless in Thailand are few and far in between these days. Does that mean we've cleaned up our act, and are doing ok in Thailand? At this point, there's got to be plenty of homeless white guys in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Like I said a few months ago, " you are a dreamer the grass is never greener it takes a lot of work to keep it green " I don't do this for everyone and I mean everyone if you shoot me a PM, give me some specifics like your age, pension amount, your health general, I might be able to give you a really good reality check as to what to expect living here of course I can only speak to Pattaya itself nowhere else!

I've seen and know lots of farang not many homeless as you state in Pattaya, they get by somehow even with very little. Sure having more is always better in my opinion!

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2902076]Like I said a few months ago, " you are a dreamer the grass is never greener it takes a lot of work to keep it green "[/QUOTE]Yep. Same shit different toilet. You are there and have gotten fed up with the bullshit there. Go somewhere else and you will eventually get fed up with the bullshit there. There is no Oz. When you are in a place only 1 week you may think it is Oz with the yellow brick road. But if you stay around any length of time you will see that the brick road is yellow only because of the amount of times it has been urinated on.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2902076]I've seen and know lots of farang not many homeless as you state in Pattaya, they get by somehow even with very little.[/QUOTE]In all these years I have seen only one foreigner that I suspect was homeless. He was going around eating the food that people had left on the altars.

I ordered up a Thai Friendly chick last night at 7:30. When she got here I saw one of her feet was fucked up on some birth defect shit. I told her that we have to hurry because my wife finishes work at 9. She ran the fuck out of here so fast saying that I do not know Thai women and she did not want any problems. I told her there will be no problems because my wife likes ladies too. She left even faster then.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2902082]Yep. Same shit different toilet. You are there and have gotten fed up with the bullshit there. Go somewhere else and you will eventually get fed up with the bullshit there. There is no Oz. When you are in a place only 1 week you may think it is Oz with the yellow brick road. But if you stay around any length of time you will see that the brick road is yellow only because of the amount of times it has been urinated on.

In all these years I have seen only one foreigner that I suspect was homeless. He was going around eating the food that people had left on the altars.[/QUOTE]True, some come for a week figure it out right away then you got those who come for years it is front and center still can't figure it out. If there are true homeless certainly this type of thinking will lead you in that direction.

Thais are a funny lot! I couldn't ever consider my wife joining in on a 3-some, opposite the number of ladies go-go, massages, GM, Freelancer that I see have on my list couldn't care less, their duty seem to say if she can't take care of you I will, the goal on surface is to take you away from your GF or wife.

Cleaning up my list, recently a few of my regulars don't respond the way they use to sense they know it isn't going to happen nor do I plan to take care of them #2, so the time they invested was a waste of their time although the fun and money was good. I had one from a top GoGo, stop going cause someone working Neighbor? snitch on me so I stop going! I saw her on the side ST, she asked me why I explained her response " What is wrong with it " after a year no head wave with me gone off the list.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2902314]
Cleaning up my list, recently a few of my regulars don't respond the way they use to sense they know it isn't going to happen nor do I plan to take care of them #2, so the time they invested was a waste of their time although the fun and money was good. I had one from a top GoGo, stop going cause someone working Neighbor? snitch on me so I stop going! I saw her on the side ST, she asked me why I explained her response " What is wrong with it " after a year no head wave with me gone off the list.[/QUOTE]It's a little difficult to understand your point. I think what you are trying to say is if its obvious you are not going to sponsor a bargirl (or be her "boyfriend" she won't have a lot of interest in you.

Unfortunately, there are so many lonely guys sitting back home sending money for nothing to bargirls, that some bargirls really don't have to work.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2902082]In all these years I have seen only one foreigner that I suspect was homeless. He was going around eating the food that people had left on the altars.[/QUOTE]I guess in all these years you do not pay attention to the world around you. I have not been here in 10 years. I have been here 20 days. The 5 days of my online attempts so I that would be 15 days visiting Beach Road. Oddly enough I found one already and seen him twice.

I reported a few days ago on a white guy going the dumpster on Beach Road. He pulled out a cucumber and checked it for soft spots. Nothing found or taken and he crosses the street near Soi 6 at 1:00 am.

Saw him today going through a blue dumpster at 8:30 pm at the other end of Beach Road near Ripley's. Nothing was found. Both times he found nothing. If he was looking for cans or bottles he would have found some and would be carrying a bag with them but both times no bag. Leads me to believe he is looking for food. White guy, white beard, glasses, same bright swimming shorts I saw last time.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2902322]It's a little difficult to understand your point. I think what you are trying to say is if its obvious you are not going to sponsor a bargirl (or be her "boyfriend" she won't have a lot of interest in you.

Unfortunately, there are so many lonely guys sitting back home sending money for nothing to bargirls, that some bargirls really don't have to work.[/QUOTE]That's because you have a one track mind. Its in their culture they couldn't care less if they are 2,3,4, the goal is get what they need even if they have to take it from another Thai. There is no remorse once they get the answer and it doesn't benefit them it is bye bye.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2902549]Thats because you have a one track mind. Its in their culture they couldn't care less if they are 2,3,4, the goal is get what they need even if they have to take it from another Thai. There is no remorse once they get the answer and it doesn't benefit them it is bye bye.[/QUOTE]2, 3, or 4 what?

I'm still not getting your point.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2902551]2, 3, or 4 what?

I'm still not getting your point.[/QUOTE]The point! Just not surprised at your question.

A Thai due to their upbringing is considered second, if not further down the chain 2,4, In Asian culture Man, is number one reason the culture although law against it the man can just walk away whenever he likes and return without any consequences. Women are so use to it so embedded that it is the norm if you were able to have such a conversation try to explain it they would stare you straight in the face give you a look what the hell are you talking about. Label it in one of the chapters " This is Thailand."

What you ask is what you've yourself been preaching for over 3 years! They can have a number of men string along Thais, Farang they will get what they can out of them when they feel they hold the cards if your suggested price doesn't fit they won't go with you. Logic as we know has no bearing when it comes to women here in general of cause.

Here is an example! I have know this super GoGo girl for a long time prior to Covid, during the last few years I've ran into her a number of times flirting because she knows a bit about my past at her former club. Been told by her so call working friends that I'm interested I also know from the same friend she has a stable of Thai Boyfriend. Finally, after a few years we hooked up at the ST room she rock my world even tells me no condom for you. The next day she Lines me can I borrow 3000 baht I give her a straight polite no she was TESTING! A week later I'm dumped from her Line!

Do I really need to go on? You get it! I admit the writing is bad and grammar but come on. To each his own but if you aren't going to take care of them they can be top of the ladder you don't kick out back of the line LOL.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2902549]Thats because you have a one track mind. Its in their culture they couldn't care less if they are 2,3,4, the goal is get what they need even if they have to take it from another Thai. There is no remorse once they get the answer and it doesn't benefit them it is bye bye.[/QUOTE]They have a one track mind too. I am about fed up with the BS around here for now. Yesterday I agreed with a chick that I would come get her. I am on the way and tell her to send the location. She does not answer. After a while I say something else and she says I go to club with friends now. I did not respond. I just deleted the broad.

Now watch later today or tomorrow she sends a message asking if I want her to come over. And I will not even respond. Human nature has us foreigners trying to explain why would I want her to come after what she did the last time, but as you said there is no remorse, so not even worth trying to teach or explain. They could care less and are just out for what they need at the moment they need it.

Foods News:

Walking Street becoming more and more watered down. Taco Bell should be open by the end of April across from McDonalds.

Indian food festival on Beach Road March 22-24. Good way to try little bits and pieces of Indian food for cheap to find out what you like and do not like.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2902578]They have a one track mind too. I am about fed up with the BS around here for now. Yesterday I agreed with a chick that I would come get her. I am on the way and tell her to send the location. She does not answer. After a while I say something else and she says I go to club with friends now. I did not respond. I just deleted the broad.

Now watch later today or tomorrow she sends a message asking if I want her to come over. And I will not even respond. Human nature has us foreigners trying to explain why would I want her to come after what she did the last time, but as you said there is no remorse, so not even worth trying to teach or explain. They could care less and are just out for what they need at the moment they need it.[/QUOTE]Sadly, this is just the tip of the Iceberg, I've said it for a long time people don't want to hear or believe it some if not many don't have a clue and it is understandable why need I'm here for the pussy. But I can tell you debate it with anyone if I'm wrong I learn something but if I could didn't get jailed for it. I'll be on national T. V. Debating it with anyone anytime.

I've been told Pattaya, Bangkok, and a number of provinces who cater to mainly foreigners aren't part of Thailand. People can believe what they want about their education system college etc. Unless it is a top International school Thai have exposure to the West they all come from the same line of thinking. Wrong no! Anyone Thai who tells me they are going to a University I spend some time with them know it isn't a University per say! To go to a Thai University like Rangit, cost is 200,000 baht plus per year. Even if they can for what purpose unless you have connections you will never get a good paying job here in Thailand.

I recently debated an expat during the Super Bowl at a sports bar he disagree with me. By the end of conversation he had his head down like a Thai, I let him talk brought down his story gave him my reasons examples. It all started with him saying you are wrong my son makes over a 150,000 baht a month as a Civil Engineer.

As I noted time and time again our standard how we are raised, our basic thought common sense as we call it, manners, consideration this definition as we know doesn't exist here! Do I hate Thais been asked NO, I feel for them but they don't know the definition never been taught, and their culture their system it will continue like this because they don't want to hear it. Thailand is all they know point outside of the Asean countries they don't have a clue. God is punishing me I'm in hell cause I don't believe! All the things I dislike B.S. is rolled into one with my daughter in law and I mean ALL
the things is inside of her taught or not taught by her parents and their parents. You can't improve if there isn't any around to teach something new.
People talk about Bolt, I'll use that example aside from the price no one talks about safety they all come from the same school of driving there is no special training none.

Sure, things are more expensive, you got the internet, Youtube, but the factory of girls will continue their education system guarantees it maybe not the way it was in the old days but it will. I'm Knee deep each day over 15 years what you described I see and experience first hand in a million different ways.

How, I get by without arming myself walking into a government office, police station and taking everyone out! You reinvent yourself because I have to turn the be. S. Into a game so you can co-exist like the military during the war, anytime you can get R&R, head out after my pork chop and Ice cream dinner and get the best bang for the baht. While I going downtown I put aside the bad b. S. Get to work refueling for another day!

Stupid me was thinking again and my common sense was wrong. On Beach Road two weeks ago there was a MUSIC festival with tons of food. Today starts an Indian FOOD festival with practically no food. There was 20 times more food at the music festival than this food festival. I ate somewhere else. It was so small they should just cancel it next year. I assumed a Indian FOOD festival would have lots of food, especially since there are millions of Indian restaurants everywhere.

Does Patts stay pretty active in late May to June? I've never been so far off of the usual season but I need to burn some of my year's PTO and figured I'd ask.

I visited Maggie Mays on Soi Chaiyapoon yesterday, some new talent there now. Unfortunately, I brought my own lady, so no opportunity to sample the wares.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2903061]Unless it is a top International school Thai have exposure to the West they all come from the same line of thinking.[/QUOTE]I went to exchange money yesterday morning and there was a late 40's early 50's Thai lady in front of me. I used to date the manager at the exchange place many years ago but she was not there at the moment. The lady who was there was not being much help to the lady in front of me, so she let me go in front of her. The lady said she was trying to change her money to Euro. She showed me the bank app in her phone where she had 350,000 baht. (Yeah do not think it is the 20 year old slim chick in a gogo that is making all the money around here.).

She wanted to transfer the baht from her bank to the exchange place. I was thinking that she was getting ready to travel or something. But she explained to me how she had lost money before and did not want it to happen again. I was thinking that some of her money went missing from the bank.

But no. For some reason she is comparing her Thai Baht to Euro thinking she is losing money when the Euro goes up against the baht. It was weird. Lady you are in Thailand using Thai baht. The euro has shit to do with anything that you do in life. I do not think she would even get the message if she changed all her money to euro and the euro happened to go down against the baht effectively leaving her with less baht. She just sees the euro as better for some reason.

I have a friend in Brazil that has the same type of thinking. She swears that if she was able earn money in dollars then she would have more Brazilian reais. No matter how much I try to explain to her that it is not important the type of currency you have, but the amount of said curremcy is the important thing, she holds even tighter to her belief. She seems to think one currency is magical and makes you rich over the other. Like I can just take my dollars and change them over and be able to buy up all of Brazil.

The manager showed up to the exchange place and went over with the lady how they can do her transaction. Before I left, I told the lady that she was doing much better than me, and showed her the 16 baht that I have left in my account. Damn Lazada!

Drove through Soi 13/4 yesterday. I saw a new sign literally going up at the old Penthouse Hotel. I stopped and talked to a gentleman there. He said it would be opening up on 5 April and there will be a gogo attached. He told me to come by for the opening celebration. He said you can make hotel reservations at the website penthousepattaya.

Business as usual. I told her that she can not have another man because she lives with me from now on. She said you pay me? I said no, you stay here for love. She said I can not eat love. I said okay I give you food too.

[QUOTE=CrashCart;2903171]Does Patts stay pretty active in late May to June? I've never been so far off of the usual season but I need to burn some of my year's PTO and figured I'd ask.[/QUOTE]In my opinion don't do it. The weather will be extremely hot day and night. You will have the sex, eat the food and smoke the cannabis but you will be miserable the whole time. Aside from that the whole scene has just changed a lot. It's not worse, not better just different. Other than expats the majority of the customers are not mongers anymore it's families. White women hanging out on soi 6, babies all over the walking street. Places like ibar has 3 times as many men than women. What's available is not young or attractive unless you go to soi 6 or the walking street bars and still those kinda girls strongly favor the Asians. God forbid you an Indian, half the bars won't let you in, most the girls don't want anything to do with you.

This will be probably be my last visit to pattaya in a while. After a few days here I had enough sex with mediocre women, poisoned my liver with cheap alcohol and ate enough Thai food to make the thought of eating another pad Thai makes me sick. Instead of waiting on my TF short time which is late 30 minutes and keep texting me she's coming I rather be in Egypt to see the pyramids or in Greece to see the acropolis, a cooking class in Italy or a safari in Africa. Those the kind of things that creates memories not drinking cheap beers and banging hookers.

So yeah to answer your question pattaya never stops but the reason less people go during the summer is because the weather is very hot.

[QUOTE=CrashCart;2903171]Does Patts stay pretty active in late May to June? I've never been so far off of the usual season but I need to burn some of my year's PTO and figured I'd ask.[/QUOTE]My advice would be "go for it". The weather will not be much hotter than it was in March and April already. Pick a hotel with a good (wide and deep) pool.

This will be the time girls have a shortage of customers. Many TF girls who have been very busy since November will be available.

The months to better not be in Pattaya are November-December-January-February-March.

[QUOTE=XXL;2903310]The months to better not be in Pattaya are November-December-January-February-March.[/QUOTE]Absolutely agree. I've lived here almost forever and my favorite time is early rainy season, June-Aug or so. Late rainy season, Sept-early Oct. , is nice too, provided you're in no hurry to get anywhere if it floods. Nobody likes the hot season but you learn strategies for dealing with it, and the girls are grateful. Cool season is for tourists -- go somewhere like Laos!

Just a friendly reminder. Don't forget to wear protection! It might be fun jumping from one chick to the next, smashing everyone left and right, but yes weiner spooge is real and your PP will be BRICKED for the next week or so. If it happened to me, it can happens to you.

(yes, I got gonorrhea from Pattaya after going bareback with a few chicks. I believe 3 was the number).

No, it's not fun squeezing your weiner and seeing gross darky spooge come out! So slap that monkey tire on (and keep it there, too).

[QUOTE=Skadoosh;2903443](yes, I got gonorrhea from Pattaya after going bareback with a few chicks. I believe 3 was the number).[/QUOTE]Where did you get the chicks? Was it the dirty beach road chicks or the clean agogo chicks?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2903485]Where did you get the chicks? Was it the dirty beach road chicks or the clean agogo chicks?[/QUOTE]Gogo girls are just as likely to infect you as any other lady in Pattaya.

Had a nice session in sabai dee today. While leaving decided to check out the food stalls in central marina just in front of sabai dee.

Couldn't help but notice so less number of customers compared to the food stalls. Just wondering what they do if their stock doesn't get sold? Keep trying to sell everyday till it rots?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2903485]Where did you get the chicks? Was it the dirty beach road chicks or the clean agogo chicks?[/QUOTE]With all the members claiming Bareback is easy I'm nit Surprised.

Agogo girls look just like Beach Road girls more often than not.

Don't be Soft. Weather should be number 77 on reasons not to come to Thailand.

P.S. If you buying house in issarn for doi6 girl then yes Floodung become an issue.

[QUOTE=Skadoosh;2903443]Just a friendly reminder. Don't forget to wear protection! It might be fun jumping from one chick to the next, smashing everyone left and right, but yes weiner spooge is real and your PP will be BRICKED for the next week or so. If it happened to me, it can happens to you.

(yes, I got gonorrhea from Pattaya after going bareback with a few chicks. I believe 3 was the number).

No, it's not fun squeezing your weiner and seeing gross darky spooge come out! So slap that monkey tire on (and keep it there, too).[/QUOTE]You are a very rare poster - an honest barebacker.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2903212]I went to exchange money yesterday morning and there was a late 40's early 50's Thai lady in front of me. I used to date the manager at the exchange place many years ago but she was not there at the moment. The lady who was there was not being much help to the lady in front of me, so she let me go in front of her. The lady said she was trying to change her money to Euro. She showed me the bank app in her phone where she had 350,000 baht. (Yeah do not think it is the 20 year old slim chick in a gogo that is making all the money around here.).

She wanted to transfer the baht from her bank to the exchange place. I was thinking that she was getting ready to travel or something. But she explained to me how she had lost money before and did not want it to happen again. I was thinking that some of her money went missing from the bank.

But no. For some reason she is comparing her Thai Baht to Euro thinking she is losing money when the Euro goes up against the baht. It was weird. Lady you are in Thailand using Thai baht. The euro has shit to do with anything that you do in life. I do not think she would even get the message if she changed all her money to euro and the euro happened to go down against the baht effectively leaving her with less baht. She just sees the euro as better for some reason.[/QUOTE]You should have turned her on to WISE!

Government schools you have to wonder what they teach them. My useless daughter in law has a Thai Master degree in Accounting yet recently she couldn't even add up in her head 69-31 without a calculator.

Surprise! Remember the place prior to them leaving looking for a new space. As much as they were selling at the hole in the wall near corner of Soi 21, and Buakhao both had very limited English, I tried to help them out finding out the rent they were paying. They show me a new picture of the new location it was all the way up Sukhumvit, just after Makro, prior to Lotus. Then she was happy said the rent was dirt cheap.

The flyer indicated it was on Sukhumvit 44/44, there is no such SOI, 44, was all the way North, near the boxing ring prior to Covid the large Muag Thai boxing ring before Pattaya Klang. Not wanting to question them and lost of face I thought you got to be kidding, you are leaving Baukhao going where, I felt even if they paid more in the same area could keep the base of customer I had a few suggestion for them.

Sat. My brother wanted to know the new location so I said you buy I fly. The time was like 5 pm when we pulled up. She was happy to see me I asked her Sabai Dee hows business I thought she was going to cry! A sign even that early she could only muster up two large orders of ribs I don't see them being there long cheap rent or not, unless you know of them cars are flying by at 100 KM / H.

This is pretty much Business and common sense 101 here in Thailand.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2903710]Surprise! Remember the place prior to them leaving looking for a new space. As much as they were selling at the hole in the wall near corner of Soi 21, and Buakhao both had very limited English, I tried to help them out finding out the rent they were paying. They show me a new picture of the new location it was all the way up Sukhumvit, just after Makro, prior to Lotus. Then she was happy said the rent was dirt cheap.
Not wanting to question them and lost of face I thought you got to be kidding, you are leaving Baukhao going where, I felt even if they paid more in the same area could keep the base of customer I had a few suggestion for them.[/QUOTE]LOL. I was going to hit you up about that. There is building going on in the old spot on Buakhao but it is taking forever. So I decide to look on google maps for Surprise and was definitely "surprised" to see it had moved up Sukhumvit. The place is a chore to get to now (15 minutes from me). I do not think I will be going.

One thing I have definitely learned being here all these years is that Thais don't understand real estate / business 101. Location, location, location. I have known some Thais to open their businesses in the most obscure locations where it will never see any traffic. Surprise's new location will see plenty of traffic. Unfortunately the traffic will be passing it going 80 kph towards the direction of Bangkok. The joke is on them. Really dumb business move.

[QUOTE=Skadoosh;2903443]Just a friendly reminder. Don't forget to wear protection! It might be fun jumping from one chick to the next, smashing everyone left and right, but yes weiner spooge is real and your PP will be BRICKED for the next week or so. If it happened to me, it can happens to you.

(yes, I got gonorrhea from Pattaya after going bareback with a few chicks. I believe 3 was the number).

No, it's not fun squeezing your weiner and seeing gross darky spooge come out! So slap that monkey tire on (and keep it there, too).[/QUOTE][B]Gonorrhea[/B]

[URL]https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/stds-hiv-safer-sex/gonorrhea[/URL]#text=Yes%2 see%20 there's%20 such%20 a%20 thing, that%20 doesn't%20 go%20 away.

[QUOTE]People usually get gonorrhea from having unprotected sex with someone who has the infection. Gonorrhea is spread when semen (cum), pre-cum, and vaginal fluids get on or inside your genitals, anus, or mouth. Gonorrhea can be passed even if the penis doesnt go all the way in the vagina or anus.

The main ways people get gonorrhea are from having vaginal sex, anal sex, or oral sex. You can also get gonorrhea by touching your eye if you have infected fluids on your hand. Gonorrhea can also be spread to a baby during birth if the mother has it.[/QUOTE]More friendly reminders not to accept a BBBJ, engage in DATY without placing a dental dam (small plastic sheet) between your mouth and her vagina or touch your eye or your mouth after touching the vagina or mouth of your partner.

I assume you did not carelessly engage in any of those activities but only inserted your penis into. 3 girls' vaginas without a condom, even if not all the way in, as was the limit of your reminder here, right?

What's the modus operandi for TF. I updated my headline as "looking for short time 1500 baht" as suggested by one monger here. Lots of chicks showing interest but only few are good looking and they are not replying to messages. Only average lookers are messaging.

Even upgraded to premium to chat with the "popular" profiles but they are also not viewing messages!

[QUOTE=Ulalaulala123;2903757]What's the modus operandi for TF. I updated my headline as "looking for short time 1500 baht" as suggested by one monger here. Lots of chicks showing interest but only few are good looking and they are not replying to messages. Only average lookers are messaging.

Even upgraded to premium to chat with the "popular" profiles but they are also not viewing messages![/QUOTE]First off, popular profiles is a scam. They do that to get you to pay. Still well worth paying for me living here. I get a yearly subscription.

Second, it does not matter what you write because nobody reads profiles. Just like most things in life it is a numbers game. I have said many times and shown many examples here how messing with these women is like herding cats.

You just have to roll with the box of chocolates theory. You never know what you are going to get. And in the case of TF you never know when you are going to get it.

The other day I met a new girlfriend (no money required) on TF. She works at a massage shop. I invited her to see that new Korean flick Exhuma that I planned on seeing. Movie started at 1230 the next day. I hit her up at 10:30 asking if she was getting ready. No answer. I called no answer. 12 pm I did the same. 12:15 she called me back saying she just woke up and had to get in the shower. We arrived at the movie at 12:40. It was her first time ever in life going to see a movie by the way. She said she probably would have never showed up (due to being scared), but I mentioned going to a movie and it piqued her interest.

During the movie she kept saying how hungry she was. I gave her money to go get popcorn. That was not enough. Eventually she had to leave to go get food. She came back just as the credits started rolling.

We went to my room after the movie and she tried to tear my clothes off. Later that evening we went to eat at Theprassit market before going back to my place. She cuddled on me the entire night and I woke up in the morning to my dick in her mouth.

Thai Friendly is like fishing dude. You can have one on the hook and think you are reeling it in, just for it to jump off the line for no apparent reason. Then all of a sudden you can get a big catch when you are not expecting it. So do not get yourself set on one particular chick. I have deleted (on Line) way more than I have met over the years. I have not met chicks until years after our initial TF contact. That is how it was with the hair stylist in Bangkok that I travel with now. Met her on TF during covid and for some reason she would never come to Pattaya. Finally came 1 year ago after so much teeth pulling. Now she can not get enough of me. Numbers game.

[QUOTE=Ulalaulala123;2903757]What's the modus operandi for TF. I updated my headline as "looking for short time 1500 baht" as suggested by one monger here. Lots of chicks showing interest but only few are good looking and they are not replying to messages. Only average lookers are messaging.

Even upgraded to premium to chat with the "popular" profiles but they are also not viewing messages![/QUOTE]Popular profiles are often little short of being scams. I'm sure some are ghost profiles (men hiding behind girls' pics?).

Look at the TF girl below. I had that girl coming to my room once. She was ten years older that her pic. She is regularly "popular" on TF with the very same picture. I'm sure she has zero repeat clients.

Another one who often makes it into the popular chart is one that goes by the name Kaewkiss (you can look her up). She went as far as giving me her Line once but then all I could get from her on Line were some "hi's" and "hello's". I'm sure if I'd got her to agree to meet me she would have stood me up.

I no longer pay any attention to "popular" profiles on TF. To me they've become a no-no.

As to getting messages only from non-lookers, join the club. Note that if and whenever you manage to get a decent-looking one to reply, getting her to ACTUALLY come instead of wasting your time is anything but guaranteed.

[QUOTE=Ulalaulala123;2903757]What's the modus operandi for TF. I updated my headline as "looking for short time 1500 baht" as suggested by one monger here. Lots of chicks showing interest but only few are good looking and they are not replying to messages. Only average lookers are messaging.
Even upgraded to premium to chat with the "popular" profiles but they are also not viewing messages![/QUOTE]Change your headline to "In Pattaya now". Works for me anyway. I get more messages since I put this in my headline, when I'm there.
The reason is that the girls get many messages from men that don't have boots on the ground (yet).

And yes, average and below average lookers are messaging the most. But every now and then (and sometimes even quite often, it's very unpredictable) I get a message or a like from an above average girl, and that makes it all worthwhile.

Thanks for the replies and advice. Unfortunately today was not my day. Initially I was thanking my lucky stars that a young 21 yr good looking chick is finally coming to meet. She was not budging from 2000 baht so I agreed. But alas, my excitement was soon going to turn into a big disappointment.

1st red flag was she bypassed reception. I had asked her to come to lobby and message me but she directly went to elevator and asked for my floor and room number. I thought she might have submitted her ID and then came up. I realised what she did when there was no call from reception after she left.

2nd red flag. The moment she entered the room she had a mood off face. So much that I asked her if she is tired or drunk but she replied in negative. When I tried to kiss she was pushing me away saying my beard hurts her. Tried to kiss boobs, got same response. Started with boom boom but within 3 minutes says you are hurting me I won't continue. Left for shower, came back and started wearing clothes. I told her atleast finish with hand, she looked at me with a very angry look. To be honest throughout her short stay she did not smile even once and kept murmuring things in Thai. I thought better not to escalate the situation and handed over the agreed 2000 baht which she gladly accepted.

While leaving she says good bye with a smile. I said I am not happy she didn't even acknowledge it, just opened the door and left. Wow, just wow!

Sometimes I wonder maybe it's better that such rotten girls don't agree to meet us!

Forgot to mention, she also took photos of the hotel, the lift and even my room number and shared with me saying she wanted to confirm. Definitely she had some plans, just in case I refused to pay the agreed amount!

[QUOTE=Ulalaulala123;2903836]Thanks for the replies and advice. Unfortunately today was not my day. Initially I was thanking my lucky stars that a young 21 yr good looking chick is finally coming to meet. She was not budging from 2000 baht so I agreed. But alas, my excitement was soon going to turn into a big disappointment.

1st red flag was she bypassed reception. I had asked her to come to lobby and message me but she directly went to elevator and asked for my floor and room number. I thought she might have submitted her ID and then came up. I realised what she did when there was no call from reception after she left.

2nd red flag. The moment she entered the room she had a mood off face. So much that I asked her if she is tired or drunk but she replied in negative. When I tried to kiss she was pushing me away saying my beard hurts her. Tried to kiss boobs, got same response. Started with boom boom but within 3 minutes says you are hurting me I won't continue. Left for shower, came back and started wearing clothes. I told her atleast finish with hand, she looked at me with a very angry look. To be honest throughout her short stay she did not smile even once and kept murmuring things in Thai. I thought better not to escalate the situation and handed over the agreed 2000 baht which she gladly accepted.

While leaving she says good bye with a smile. I said I am not happy she didn't even acknowledge it, just opened the door and left. Wow, just wow!

Sometimes I wonder maybe it's better that such rotten girls don't agree to meet us![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ulalaulala123;2903902]Forgot to mention, she also took photos of the hotel, the lift and even my room number and shared with me saying she wanted to confirm. Definitely she had some plans, just in case I refused to pay the agreed amount![/QUOTE]LOL. No. They do that to make sure they are in the right place, not for some ulterior motive. How did she know your room number? When chicks come to my apartment they always ask for the room number. I tell them I have to open the door anyway so just send me a message when they are downstairs.

I have never understood why people say you get what you pay for. 2000 baht short time and had a shitty time. I have never even paid 2000 for long time and 99% have a great time. Before I agreed to 2000 short time for a chick I have never laid eyes on, I would be on Soi 6 or at one these gentleman's clubs / BJ bars for the 1000 to 1400. In my opinion it is less money for more fun. But then again I make my own fun so it does not matted where I am.

[QUOTE=Ulalaulala123;2903836]While leaving she says good bye with a smile. I said I am not happy she didn't even acknowledge it, just opened the door and left. Wow, just wow![/QUOTE]Maybe you missed my post about the importance of a foreigner and what he thinks come right after the importance of the fleas on their dog. No need in wasting your breath saying you were not happy. But I guess you saw that first hand.

[QUOTE=Ulalaulala123;2903836]Thanks for the replies and advice. Unfortunately today was not my day. Initially I was thanking my lucky stars that a young 21 yr good looking chick is finally coming to meet. She was not budging from 2000 baht so I agreed. But alas, my excitement was soon going to turn into a big disappointment.

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Sometimes I wonder maybe it's better that such rotten girls don't agree to meet us![/QUOTE]You may want to block her in TF. When you do so TF will ask you why you block her. Just write something like "horrible experience". This may contribute to weeding out the rotten apples.

[QUOTE=XXL;2903921]You may want to block her in TF. When you do so TF will ask you why you block her. Just write something like "horrible experience". This may contribute to weeding out the rotten apples.[/QUOTE]Why? Just because his experience with her was horrible, does not mean someone else's experience with her was not great. No need for spite. YMMV.

Buses now depart from outside SM Mall in Angeles and go directly to the airport using Manila's excellent expressway. My bus departed at 9. 30 am and pulled up infront of Terminal 1 at 11.20 am, less than two hours later (and that included a ten minute drop-off at Terminal 3). It cost 410 pesos and I would highly recommend it. Buses depart at half past the hour from from 2. 30 am to 10.30 pm.

The ride gave me a good opportunity to reflect on my time in Angeles. I enjoyed visiting a year ago but now more bars are open and there are lots more girls. I barfined some absolute gems, some of the best girls I've been with in Philippines. The girls from Genesis, Dollhouse and Avalon were spectacular. Perimeter Road is opening up again and there is a reasonable freelance scene too. The place is on an upwards trajectory. Whenever people use a word to describe Angeles the only adjective they seem to be able to find is 'shithole'. It isn't that bad. The place doesn't have much ambiance and there's little to do apart from girlie action but if you pick a nice hotel, you can have a great time in Angeles. It's a sweet shop.

My flight took three hours and included possibly the worst turbulence I've ever encountered as we approached Bangkok. At first people ignored it but then it got worse and there was nervous laughter, then the plane started being buffeted all over the place and my empty cup was thrown from my table. I was pleased to reach terra firma and the immigration queue at Suvanarbhumi was surprisingly small. I got a yellow taxi outside to take me to Pattaya.

Once again I'm staying at Vogue Hotel. The location is great, just off soi Lengkee, the rooms are spacious and clean and they always seem to have good deals on Agoda. My room is costing about 800 baht a night.

The time was 7. 40 pm and ordinarily I'd have been keen to bounce straight back out but I'd been feeling ropy all day and as the day progressed felt progressively worse. I've been feeling run down the past few days, going out every night for three weeks drinking alcohol has caught up with me. I've also got an annoying cough due to all of the cigarette smoke in bars. I went to a local pharmacy and bought some medicine and decided to take the evening off.

Next day I still felt rough. I've noticed I often pick things up in Philippines. I spent a lazy afternoon reading and watching YouTube on my phone but as it started to get dark outside I began to feel considerably better. My cough was gone, largely thanks to the honey and lemon ice tea I bought from a 7 Eleven. I felt fit enough to find a girl.

However, I had to be sensible. Visiting smoky bars would almost certainly set my chest off again and I didn't want to consume any alcohol for the same reason.

For a brief period I thought I'd lined up a Tinder meet, a curvy black girl with outrageously large blowjob lips, but she quoted 3000 short-time, aka gogo prices! My top level for freelancers is 1500, which is what I paid for the tall Nigerian I met earlier in the trip, who was easily on par. She came down to 2000 but wouldn't go any lower.

There was only one thing for it, a trip to soi Honey. Although I've taken two nice girls from this street earlier on the trip, I've probably walked up the street 10 further times and been underwhelmed. On those occasions it didn't matter as I had plenty of other options, like soi 6 for example, but tonight I didn't have the luxury of a backup plan. It was soi Honey or nothing.

A cluster of eager girls were sat outside Paradise and Up to You next door. I continued walking and saw girls sat outside Runway and Pink Lady. These are essentially soi 6 bars on soi Honey, with short-time rooms upstairs. One girl made me hesitate. She was youngish and a definite contender. I wasn't in the hunt for perfection tonight, I just wanted a quick fuck with a reasonably pretty girl. And that's exactly what I found a little further up the road, a curvy Lao girl with a nice smile. The cost was 1300 all-in.

There was no pretense at a massage. She rubbed oil on my chest and immediately began stroking Lancelot junior. She gave an excellent blow-job and then we had sex in a few positions, always awkward on a hard single bed. So much so I took the condom off and she finished me off with an excellent handjob.

Not only was it an enjoyable quickie, I felt absolutely fine throughout. If this was a fitness test, I'd passed with flying colours.

I've got eight more nights in Pattaya before I fly home to England.

Was in Pattaya a few weeks ago. Been many many times already so it was far from my first rodeo.

As usual I started my afternoons at soi6 for some drinks and a shorttime before moving on to Treetown or LK Metro area for the 2nd pump of the day.

As many will be able to attest and at the expense of sounding like a doomsday priest, Pattaya keeps getting shittier from year to year (which is why I am looking into Colombia recently, any tips welcome via DM). Still the top destination in my book simply for the sheer quantity of pussy getting thrown at you but social media and onlyfans have heavily affected the upper class market (top tier girls between 18-22).

Those specific girls on thaifriendly and tinder have become considerably more flaky in recent years because they get spammed offers all day long.

Now that is not to say that there are no girls. Pattaya is still FULL of reasonably priced pussy ranging from 1500ST to 3000ST but as someone that has been coming since 2012 the decline in quality paired with increase in girl attitude and pricing is very very noticable.

When I visited in 2012 I was a super noob. Did not know anything about mongering and would just accept any price. But back then I paid like 2 k for a full day with a 19 year old that I pounded like 4 times a day.

Things have changed indeed.

[QUOTE=Argo1990;2903992]Was in Pattaya a few weeks ago. Been many many times already so it was far from my first rodeo.

As usual I started my afternoons at soi6 for some drinks and a shorttime before moving on to Treetown or LK Metro area for the 2nd pump of the day.

As many will be able to attest and at the expense of sounding like a doomsday priest, Pattaya keeps getting shittier from year to year (which is why I am looking into Colombia recently, any tips welcome via DM). Still the top destination in my book simply for the sheer quantity of pussy getting thrown at you but social media and onlyfans have heavily affected the upper class market (top tier girls between 18-22).

Those specific girls on thaifriendly and tinder have become considerably more flaky in recent years because they get spammed offers all day long.

Now that is not to say that there are no girls. Pattaya is still FULL of reasonably priced pussy ranging from 1500ST to 3000ST but as someone that has been coming since 2012 the decline in quality paired with increase in girl attitude and pricing is very very noticable.

When I visited in 2012 I was a super noob. Did not know anything about mongering and would just accept any price. But back then I paid like 2 k for a full day with a 19 year old that I pounded like 4 times a day.

Things have changed indeed.[/QUOTE]Bro that's exactly what I've been saying. If you like older women like 30+ Thailand is a heaven. I'm talking you going to have to fight the women off you with a broomstick. You going to have all the ST, LT and even LLT you want any time you want at very low prices. But if your goal is cute 18-25 years old girls then forget about it. You going to struggle between the high demand and low supply. The best you could hope for is a 2000 baht short time where you cum and they leave. Long gone the days of LLT with attractive women.

If your goal is LLT girlfriend experience with a young attractive girl the Philippines is the way to go.

[QUOTE=BroComplex;2903995]Bro that's exactly what I've been saying. If you like older women like 30+ Thailand is a heaven. I'm talking you going to have to fight the women off you with a broomstick. You going to have all the ST, LT and even LLT you want any time you want at very low prices. But if your goal is cute 18-25 years old girls then forget about it. You going to struggle between the high demand and low supply. The best you could hope for is a 2000 baht short time where you cum and they leave. Long gone the days of LLT with attractive women.

If your goal is LLT girlfriend experience with a young attractive girl the Philippines is the way to go.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't say "struggle", still plenty of decent looking 18-24 year olds out there in Pattaya but. There is a downwards trend for sure I fully agree with you there. So if you are into fresh pussy it did definitely get a bit more difficult over the years. And with how supply and demand works its not going to get better again, unless there is like a 2nd pandemic that shuts the country down for 2 years.

But even then. Girls are alot more comfortable with Tiktok, IG and Onlyfans (and selling nudes for good cash) than just 2-3 years ago.

Onlyfans is the fking bane of mens existence but people are too dopamine addicted to realize it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2903923]Why? Just because his experience with her was horrible, does not mean someone else's experience with her was not great. No need for spite. YMMV.[/QUOTE]Really? You don't think she is pulling this kind of shit on other clients? You wouldn't want to know she does this kind of shit so you can avoid it?

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2904151]Really? You don't think she is pulling this kind of shit on other clients? You wouldn't want to know she does this kind of shit so you can avoid it?[/QUOTE]The moral of the story is that online ladies are riskier than bargirls.

I do know online ladies who are excellent fucks, but they are rare. Bargirls worry about repeat business, and look for sponsors. Not so much TF ladies.

The weather was clammy and grey as I walked along soi Buakhao for breakfast. Midway through my eggs and bacon it began raining heavily and didn't stop for a few hours. Stranded at Sports Lounge, I ordered a second cup of tea, waiting for a break.

As I was sipping my third cuppa, I pondered setting up some afternoon action. My Line is full of contacts of girls I've already been with but there are also a few fresh leads, girls I met in bars earlier in the trip and grabbed their Line. At that exact moment my phone pinged. Lo and behold it was a message from a girl I'd just been about to message, a spinner from one of the bars at Myth.

'What are you doing?' her message said, Line speak for fancy doing something together.

I asked her if she'd like to meet before she started work at 3 pm and she agreed, but not today as it was raining. She quoted 2500 but accepted 1500.

I also received a dreaded message from one of my regular Pattaya girls, asking for 2000 baht as she's ran out of money. 'You too clever to run out of money' I responded to which she replied she needed it to help fix her mum's roof. I've been with the girl a number of times over the years and I'm always happy to buy drinks for her too, but sadly it seems we've now reached the point where she wants me to be her ATM. 'I only ask 2000' she continued but it would be more next time. I refused, so I suspect I won't hear from her again.

The rain had subsided to merely a faint drizzle, so I decided to walk back to my hotel. On a spur of moment I turned down soi Honey, curious what it would be like at 1 pm. At one of the first massage shops there was a cougar with big fake tits. Normally I like to go for small, cute girls but I suddenly had the urge to aim for the other end of the spectrum. She had a sexy, slutty look about her. If BBC made a sleazy drama set in 1960's Bangkok and needed an actress to play a hooker, this is the girl.

'1200, massage and sex' she said, tits fighting to get out of the tight top she was wearing.

She led me upstairs to a small curtained cubicle and gave me a really excellent oil massage, as slap-slap-slap noises came from the next cubicle. When we got down to our own naughty business she illustrated why sometimes it's good to go with a girl with experience. She gave a really good blowjob and then rode me expertly, with the perfect amount of bounce, rhythm and hip action. I fucked her hard in doggy, showing my competitive side by making our SLAP-SLAP-SLAP noises louder than those we heard minutes earlier. She finished me with a magical double fisted handjob. She put oil on my dick and firmly used both hands, then when she saw I was about to cum used one of her hands to do a twisting motion over my bell-end, resulting in one of the most intense climaxes I've ever had.

'Good boy' she said as she mopped up the mess she'd made.

The top of soi Lengkee was flooded after the heavy downpour earlier. I decided to go to Pra Ni Ta for a foot massage. It cost 200 pesos. My advice, if you go for a naughty massage pick the sexiest girl you see, if you go for a legitimate massage pick the oldest lady. She'll know all the tricks.

My chest was okay at breakfast and during the two massages, but I still didn't feel ready for a bar crawl yet. My plan in the evening was to grab another quickie, either on soi Pothole, soi Honey or soi 6.

I headed out at 7. 30 pm and saw some nice girls on soi Pothole but they were outside bars like Inferno, and I didn't really want to step into smoky bars. After the downpour earlier the street's potholes were filled with water, making it like a game of Frogger navigating my way up the street.

Another massage on soi Honey sounded appealing but I didn't see a girl to tempt me. At one of the bars though I saw a cute girl wearing a pretty floral dress. I asked her if she'd like a drink and I've never seen such an excited reaction to be picked. She couldn't stop giggling to herself.

We clicked so I enquired about the prices. The room upstairs cost 500 and she quoted 2000 for short-time. You know there are problems when a girl on soi Honey charges 2 k! When she saw my raised eyebrows she said 'I young girl' but she wouldn't budge from her initial quote. A guy started smoking on the table next to me so I paid my cup and left.

I ended up taking the baht bus to soi 6 and it was 8. 10 pm when I stepped on to the hallowed tarmac. I love this street.

It was very busy. I spotted a tall, skinny girl at 3 Angels, a cutie outside Playpen and Wrath near the bottom always seems a good bet for a pretty selection. I backtracked to Playpen, intending to buy a drink for a cutie I'd seen, but literally two seconds before I got to her an elderly gent pulled her inside.

I saw a gorgeous girl in one of the popular bars about halfway up. She had a stellar body with long legs and a pert little bum, as well a fashionable cropped haircut. She was a pretty thing so I bought her a drink but when I enquired about prices she said 2500 and wouldn't budge from that hefty amount. Realistically she was a 1500 girl so I passed.

These girls work ten hour shifts and the popular ones must have a maximum number of fucks per night they're willing to have. Two or three max? So I reckon the pretty girls will quote silly prices if they've recently had a customer.

As seems to be the trend in some of these bars, the Manager, a British guy, walked over and shook my hand as the girl squared my bill at the bar. 'What are your plans for tonight pal?' he asked. I told him I'd hoped to take the girl upstairs but she quoted 2500. Telling him will make little difference but at least I'd registered my disapproval.

There was a nice looking girl with a very unusual appearance outside Foxy Bar but just as I was about to speak to her, she jumped on to a bike with another girl and cycled away, presumably to get some food! My timing was off tonight.

But then my luck changed in dramatic fashion when I saw one of the best looking girls I can ever recall seeing on soi 6.

Sadly I cannot name the bar due to ElMexicant's trolling but it wasn't one of the popular bars, it was one of the more modest ones, proving that gems can be found anywhere if you are patient and eagle-eyed.

She was tall and skinny and had a mesmeric face, like a model. When I approached her and said Hi she did a shocked double-take and burst out laughing. What a girl. She had a Natalie Portman smile, braces on her teeth and a really fun personality. She was 21 and from Bangkok. As we were chatting I can remember thinking there was no way on earth this girl would name a price lower than 2000 and that's exactly what she asked for, eventually settling on 1500. I was relieved, I didn't want to let her slip thought my fingers.

She took her shoes off and placed them on the big rack of shoes at the foot of the staircase and led me up to a modest room, stifling hot. We both showered and wow, when she lay next to me I thought I was in heaven. She didn't just have a perfect face, she had a perfect body too, slim with nice fuller boobs and nipples begging to be sucked.

Initially it seemed the sex might be hard work as she was quite shy. She didn't like her nipples being sucked and when I tried to finger her she closed her legs. I asked for a blowjob and she said 'can do, only quick okay?' It did the trick and got me rock hard and soon I was sliding in to her tight pussy. We had sex in numerous positions but soon I was pouring with sweat as the room was hot, so I lay back and asked her to ride me. She laughed like it was the craziest suggestion in the world but then shyly gave it a go, wiggling her hips in an inexperienced manner on mine. I felt the luckiest guy in the world looking up at her pretty face and squeezing her tits as she began to gain more confidence, rocking her hips faster and biting her bottom lip.

I've met some great girls on this trip both in Thailand and Philippines, but this girl was the creme de la creme.

It proves yet again that gems can be found anywhere in Pattaya. No doubt someone will leave a scornful response because of a YouTube video he saw, but from my boots-on-the-ground experience, soi 6 delivers time and time again.

Too bad about the lady who asked for 2,000 baht to fix her mom's roof. More likely, she has a gambling problem, it's very common in Pattaya and elsewhere. So, she might be back to earn some cash from you.

Many decent-looking girls no longer settle for 2000 apparently. Note this one below didn't even want to communicate in her own language, also not a good sign.

She is one of the girls who print their Line IDs on their TF profiles. Now you might say this is great, no need to message them for their Line ID, one step less and less time wasted. Wrong! Up to now I haven't been able to meet a single girl among those advertising their Line IDs direct. Why is that? Maybe overloading syndrome: too many punters (and time-wasters from abroad) taking up a girl's time so she is not even in any mood to actually meet. Alternatively, such girls may get enough random offers to only settle for rates higher than 2000. In both cases not good news.

Many TF girls who show interest are too dumb to send their Line ID in their first reply. Then when you ask for the Line ID you get hit with the upgrade prompt. Dumb. I am not interested in "Hi". I cannot do anything with "Hi". I need your Line you idiot.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2904151]Really? You don't think she is pulling this kind of shit on other clients? You wouldn't want to know she does this kind of shit so you can avoid it?[/QUOTE]Maybe there was something about him that she could not fathom. You are once again forgetting the YMMV and that everybody will not have the same experience. That is just like purchasing a product or going to a hotel. If a few reviews say something was shitty, but the overwhelming majority say it is great, you do not burn it to the ground. You are reading one review and ready to throw the chick to the sharks.

Same as I read reviews of guys saying they sometimes get chicks that end up having smelly pussies. I have to take that with a grain of salt with my experience of a couple thousand chicks and counting on one hand the amount that have smelled bad. Some guy has only been through 20 chicks and somehow picked 5 that smelled bad?

I have been around Pattaya a long time. For some reason these bad experiences are few and far between with me and my circle. I have had like 2 bad experiences all these years. Either me and my friends are the luckiest guys in Pattaya or some guys are the underlying cause of their own bad experiences.

You can not write a chick off because of one person's experience. Hell, he even thought the chick was up to something because she was taking pictures and sending it to him to confirm she was in the right place. You can see the Thai Friendly girl that came to see me last night did the same thing. I had a blast with that chick. She stayed with me 12 hours. 1500 baht. 21 year old chick from Laos. She just went home to wash clothes over an hour ago and already trying to come back.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2903254]Business as usual. I told her that she can not have another man because she lives with me from now on. She said you pay me? I said no, you stay here for love. She said I can not eat love. I said okay I give you food too.[/QUOTE]The buffalo needs food as well!

[QUOTE=XXL;2904181]Many decent-looking girls no longer settle for 2000 apparently. Note this one below didn't even want to communicate in her own language, also not a good sign.

She is one of the girls who print their Line IDs on their TF profiles. Now you might say this is great, no need to message them for their Line ID, one step less and less time wasted. Wrong! Up to now I haven't been able to meet a single girl among those advertising their Line IDs direct. Alternatively, such girls may get enough random offers to only settle for rates higher than 2000. Many TF girls who show interest are too dumb to send their Line ID in their first reply.[/QUOTE]Why blurt out an offer? If they ask me how much I pay first then I will tell them. She is probably thinking that if he is so quick to offer 2000, then he will likely pay more if his offer is rejected. The chick from last night did not even ask about money before coming. I just ended up giving her 1500 (300 over my usual) because she lives 20 minutes away and took Bolt both ways.

I am now commonly seeing chicks say 2000 short time and 4000 long time. Only once have I seen a chick say more than that. A chick said I will come for 7000. I said ok. She never answered and a few minutes later their lone picture was deleted. One thing with scammers is they often have only 1 picture. Also a common thing I am seeing with chicks that have their Line on their profile or quickly respond by giving you their Line, is that they want to sell content or cam sex.

On the flip side I had a chick with her Line on her profile come over the other night. Normal LT 1200 baht. No sooner than she left, she was trying to come back for free saying how horny she was.

Not sure how I keep batting 1000 on Thai Friendly and others are not. I guess it is like I said. I understand it is a numbers game, while others are getting set on 1 chick and frustrated when it falls through. This chick has been pestering me to see her but I have not had time. She started sending freak pics and vids of herself today, and it made me cave in. Made a deal for 1000 later on tonight.

Been 4 years since I was last in Pattaya. Was thrilled to be back after 2 years of lockdowns and over the top airfares. So what has changed? Firstly I was there in early March and the weather was hot but still ok to get around during the day.

Soi 6, well what can I say. So many girls and a lot more than I recall. Now it is fair to say that the quality is not that high but I am no Ryan Gosling so they are still good for me! That said, I have a particular style I look for and took Banana Boi's advice and made sure I looked into every bar. My observations were that the first bars from second road were favoured Asian punters, the girls were very young and had eyes for them. Once past those bars as you get to Lisa Bar the girls are more interested in money than looks. My wingman and I stopped into Lisa Bar, Foxy Bar and Passion Bar. All three bars had some girls that we either took upstairs or took out for the afternoon. The quality of the performance was very good and they all responded to DFK and DATY. Soi 6 is still worth the time and hunt IMHO. Lisa bar rooms are ok but passion rooms are a dump. Next time I will bar fine girl and take her to my hotel down the road.

Walking Street agogos were disappointing and even Sapphire has gone down in quality. A few of the agogos in the street were packed and just way too pushy for lady drinks. LK metro agogos were also a little down in quality but one bar Playgirls actually had a good line up. Billabong had the usual older girls with older gents and not really my scene. The rest of the bars around there were average. Soi Boomerang was a waste of time.

The best of the agogo bars IMHO for fun and girls that were not pushy was Shooters on Soi 8. We spent a few nights in that bar and always had a good night. Girls vary in quality but we did find a few that suited our tastes and were fantastic performers. I liked the fact the bar had a good pool table down the back which enabled us to do more than just stare up girls pretending to dance and buy them drinks. All in all, we had 5 days of great fun in Pattaya and look forward to going back.

Happy hunting.

Somebody recently messaged me about "regulars" and why us long stays get cheaper pricing. I said it before and will say it again. Tourists and weekend millionaires (which I used to be one a long time ago), get shafted the most on price. They only have a limited amount of days they are here and the girls and bars take that shit to the bank because they are desperate in those 2 weeks. Long stays have a rapport and get much better deals. Take Pam (I've posted videos of her from YT), who used be Soi 6 before COVID. During COVID, her rate for me was 1000 because basically nobody was here and I was stuck for 2 years. She probably made 50 K off me in those two years of lockdown.

She is in my black book now, though I am actually getting bored of banging her. She doesn't seem attractive to me anymore. Maybe it's because I am aging more gracefully than she is. I was at CoCo Fitness today and they haven't seen for 3 months, but said I look better than the last time I was in Pattaya. Must be those skull crushers. Big guns means building the triceps not biceps. My grandfathered price is 1500 now every time she sees me. Not even sure what her going rate is anymore for everyone else. But that's not my problem. Anybody want to share what her FL price is now?

By the way, if I really get bored. I might make a stop on Soi 6 and Myth Night, just to prove the girl from Wet Spot and the Barbie girl (she wears that shirt like 3 X a week), in question from Sir Mix-a-lot are only 1000 for me to bang. But then again, that's me going out of my norm in taste to prove a moot point. But it would be kind of fun, to get them to hold a sign that said "ELMexicant 1000 for 3 Holes. ".

[QUOTE=Axiata;2904232]Been 4 years since I was last in Pattaya. Was thrilled to be back after 2 years of lockdowns and over the top airfares. So what has changed? [/QUOTE]Nice to see you and your Wingman make your return to Pattaya. Was thinking of you guys when I was there. Glad you were able to adapt while on the ground. That's what I find many guys aren't able to do. You saw the gogo bars weren't up to par so you shifted to Soi 8. Shooters Soi 8 is always fun. I had been hearing that Soi 7 and Soi 8 are picking up again.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2876401]The chick that asks for 5 K ST with the long ass essay about how too good she is? Those aren't her boobs and during COVID she went for 2000. Just an average fuck with a NO repeat for me.[/QUOTE]This girl here just trips me out. Her profile is so funny. And weird at the same time. I can be a real ass and post a vid or two of her with a finger in her ass while getting K9. But I am so so nice not to. Wonder why nobody wants to share Goya eskimo brother stories?

By the way, I didn't know Thailand had a Mixue, my favorite soft serve in the world. Best thing to come out of China. Only 15 baht for a cone. KFC's is 12. But not as ample with the serving as Mixue's. Sing along with me.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI7ymmVKoN0[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2904230]Not sure how I keep batting 1000 on Thai Friendly and others are not. I guess it is like I said. I understand it is a numbers game, while others are getting set on 1 chick and frustrated when it falls through. This chick has been pestering me to see her but I have not had time. She started sending freak pics and vids of herself today, and it made me cave in. Made a deal for 1000 later on tonight.[/QUOTE]Many have Standards. 1 k says it all.

Trust me Folks. 1 k is like shopping at Salvation Army. NOthIng wrong with that. Diff folks for diff strokes.

Soi 7 8 9 is bad as ever.

Lots of CUTE plump old dark skin girls. Same old same ole.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2904230]Not sure how I keep batting 1000 on Thai Friendly and others are not. I guess it is like I said. I understand it is a numbers game, while others are getting set on 1 chick and frustrated when it falls through. This chick has been pestering me to see her but I have not had time. She started sending freak pics and vids of herself today, and it made me cave in. Made a deal for 1000 later on tonight.[/QUOTE]I reckon because you tell them what you'll pay, rather than asking what they'll charge.

I always found that approach useful. If you start with "is 1000 ok? They can up you to 1200 or so and be happy. If they start with 2000, you can lower it to 1500, and they'll be unhappy about it.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2904326]I reckon because you tell them what you'll pay, rather than asking what they'll charge.

I always found that approach useful. If you start with "is 1000 ok? They can up you to 1200 or so and be happy. If they start with 2000, you can lower it to 1500, and they'll be unhappy about it.[/QUOTE]For a "popular" girl betwen 18-24 1000 is not realistic anymore nowadays. At least not on average. Might get lucky every now and then but that will be more of an exception than the norm.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2904326]I reckon because you tell them what you'll pay, rather than asking what they'll charge.
[/QUOTE]Don't forget that E is also a long term resident. Girls know that a resident is far more likely to pass and wait for an acceptable offer or simply call one of the other 1000 Contacts than a horny week long visitor.

The same goes for attitude. Who cares about pleasing a guy that's going to be gone tomorrow. Please a resident and she can likely call to drop around again when the rent is due.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2904284]Nice to see you and your Wingman make your return to Pattaya. Was thinking of you guys when I was there. Glad you were able to adapt while on the ground. That's what I find many guys aren't able to do. You saw the gogo bars weren't up to par so you shifted to Soi 8. Shooters Soi 8 is always fun. I had been hearing that Soi 7 and Soi 8 are picking up again.[/QUOTE]Thanks BB. I did walk along soi 7 & 8 a few times on the way to Shooters. You are right that there is some life there and some bars worth looking into. One bar looked good with a few girls worth a punt. I think it was Dark Angel? On Soi 8. Not far up from beach road corner. Will drop into that next time I am there. So many options in Pattaya and so little time! Look forward to catching up when we are next there.

Happy hunting.

When I write these diaries I try to give the most honest description I can. I'll talk about the good and the bad, that way it can give any would-be visitor a realistic portrayal of the frustrations you can sometimes encounter. Today was one of those days.

I had a lie-in and after dropping off a bag of laundry to the cheerful lady at the laundrette opposite my hotel, went for a leisurely breakfast. I like getting a table overlooking the street and looking at the world go by.

My hope was to arrange an afternoon quickie in my room but Nui the nympo was in Cambodia and my favourite Myth girl wasn't reading her messages. For some reason I can't log in to Tinder either, I think possibly I've been suspended for using one of their blacklisted words. So I had the settle for a short-time with a very challenging cryptic crossword.

At 5 pm I decided to head out for some afternoon fun. I had a brainwave, for a change I'd try the gents clubs on soi Boomerang. It's an L-shaped road just off soi Buakhao, near the hospital. However the collection of girls outside the clubs were very uninspiring. If I had seen one girl even remotely enticing I'd have invited her inside for a drink, but they were all older dears. I abandoned the idea.

At this time of night the bars are just starting to open so I decided to stroll around and see if I could see a pretty girl to short-time. I walked along soi Pothole, turned right on to Buakhao then left on to Soi Honey but didn't see a girl to tempt me. I backtracked on to Tree Town, which was still largely closed except for an enthusiastic gaggle of girls outside Area 52, then walked through Myth. Again, no-one grabbed my attention.

I was enjoying the walk though, so decided to stroll to soi 6. But even my favourite street in the world failed to deliver. I walked the entire length twice and didn't see any standout contenders. I wonder whether maybe three weeks in to my trip I've become blase. I bet if today was my first day I'd have seen lots of girls to pique my interest.

Although I didn't see any girls to tempt me, a lot of girls showed interest in me. Three separate girls ran to me on the street who I've previously fucked.

The first was a gorgeous girl I met on my soi 6 bar-crawl two weeks ago. She ran out from the bar and gave me a bone-crushing hug, nearly knocking me off my feet, so I happily bought her a drink. She looked sublime and I was very tempted to take her upstairs again (not least because she delivered a really passionate session) but I was on the search for the 30th girl of my trip.

Back on the street outside I was grabbed by another girl who I'd been with earlier in the trip and then further down, outside Shooters, a third girl said 'remember me? ' It was a tall, skinny girl I'd fucked 18 months ago. I was very impressed that she recognised me. We reminisced about the lipstick incident. After I'd taken her upstairs she showered me with kisses, so much so when I saw my reflection in the mirror I looked like The Joker!

By this point I'd done three recces up and down the street and didn't want to run the gauntlet again. I saw a reasonably cute young girl in a pushup bra at one of the bars near the beach end and bought her a drink. But things stalled when we discussed prices. Firstly, the bar didn't have a room, which is highly unusual. Secondly, brace yourself, she quoted 4000 for short-time! Bearing in mind the bar didn't have a room, I assume this price was for a takeaway two hour short-time but even so, 4000 is higher than Walking Street short-time prices! She was a fairly average girl too, sweet and cute for sure, a standard 1000 baht soi 6 girl in my book. She hardly spoke any English and our negotiations were conducted entirely on Google Translate, so I'm sure something was lost in translation.

So for the first time on this trip, soi 6 failed to deliver.

I walked back along the beach and up soi 7, which has disappointed me so far on this trip. However I saw a fresh-faced cutie sat at one of the bars. Talk about a diamond in the rough. Again I'd love to be able to tell you the name of the bar but can't as ElMexicant will try to post a photo of the girl, and in this case there's more reason than ever not to let her identity be revealed.

She was a very cute girl with a big untamed mane of hair. She didn't speak a word of English so an older girl in the bar acted as translator. She told me the girl was just 20. When I told the older girl I'd like to barfine the pretty girl she told me that the bar had an arrangement with a hotel at the end of the street and a short-time room would cost 500. The girl's price was 1500. When I was settling the bill the older girl asked me to take care of the young girl as I was her first customer.

We walked to the hotel and the room was very sparse and dreary, with traffic noise from 2nd Road a constant rumble. The girl became very shy once we were alone in the room. I've had girls like this before and you just have to try to relax them and take your time. It's one of the risks of targeting young and innocent types, that sometimes you get one who has no experience at all.

But this girl was very hard work. She wouldn't get undressed and then eventually reluctantly took her shorts and knickers off. She wouldn't let me touch her pussy so I lay back and she wanked me in a very half-hearted fashion. It was only when she took me in her mouth I started getting an erection. The sex lasted about one minute. She was extraordinarily tight, I could only get in two or three inches and whenever I tried to push further she closed her legs with a painful grimace. I looked at her face and she looked scared.

I've never forced a girl to do anything against her will and this girl clearly wasn't ready. I rolled off, kissed her on the forehead and told her I was finished.

We both got changed and sat at the end of the bed. Using Google Translate I said 'I don't know what to pay you. You not want to have sex and I did not want to force you'. She replied '500 is okay'.

Life as a monger doesn't always run smoothly, sometimes you have experiences like these. To be honest, I felt sad for her. She was so nervous but at least she tried. After I gave her the agreed 500 her demeanour completely changed. She was relaxed and giggly and gave me a farewell hug.

I walked back towards my hotel through Myth. I barfined a lovely girl last year at Krazy 80's Bar on soi Buakhao but their girls are older now. Next door at G&J there seemed to be a crop of generally younger girls.

I did a loop through Tree Town and bought a drink for a lovely looking girl at Buddy Bar. This a strange bar. Almost every time I walk past there is a severe lack of girls, never mind talent, to such a degree it is an easy bar to miss. But every now and then the bar has a collection of younger, prettier girls, that usually only lasts a day or two. The barfine is 1000 here but drops to 600 after midnight. I got the girl's Line and went to get myself a burger at 3 Town Steak.

Normally I'd be all-in for a night visiting lots of bars but inhaling cigarette smoke had made me start coughing. I bought a honey lemon iced tea, the best medication I've found.

With my chest infection in mind I decided to walk up soi Honey as a massage-with-extras would be the perfect solution. No cigarette smoke, no drinking, just a seedy quickie behind a curtain, perfect.

Sadly there were slim pickings at the massage shops but I did see one nice younger girl standing outside one of the bars, wearing an elegant white dress. She wasn't a stunner, but she was nice enough and I'd reached the point in the night when I just needed a girl. I invited her inside for a drink. Usually the deal in these kind of bars is you can take your girl upstairs to a short-time room but this bar didn't have one, so I had to barfine her for 500 and take her back to my hotel. She asked for 1500 short-time but accepted 1000.

The sex was pretty standard affair, both of us going through the motions, and she was out of my room before midnight.

[QUOTE=Argo1990;2904332]For a "popular" girl betwen 18-24 1000 is not realistic anymore nowadays. At least not on average. Might get lucky every now and then but that will be more of an exception than the norm.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Whether it is on ThaiFriendly or live and in person on the street or in a bar or club, hot 18-24 year olds are not reaching out to or responding to every punter within their view.

Sorry, but nobody is batting 1000 with hot 18-24 year-olds for 1000-1500 baht and sure as hell not routinely getting no discussion / no hassle BBFS+CIP with them on an initial session with them for 1000-1500 baht. If for no other reason than hot 18-24 year-olds are rarely if ever reaching out to anyone because they are too busy fielding offers to accept their initial quote for covered everything including a HJ.

In Thailand, the only real challenge is to convince a much better than average looker (usually young) to agree to BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM / BBBJ+CIM+Swallow and / or I suppose some form of Anal. And nobody is routinely getting that on first-time sessions with hot 18-24 year-olds for 1000-1500 baht.

However, it is utterly easy for virtually anyone to routinely get whatever they want from well below average lookers for 1000-1500 baht or even free. Similarly, it is utterly easy for virtually anyone to get covered sex with the hottest girl in any room, on the street or online, the only challenge in that being to simply offer more money if necessary.

But that latter solution, simply offering more money, does not necessarily work with truly hot 18-24 year-olds because they are already making a sweet living and then some by only laying there for covered sex. Or, these days, by just chatting online and rarely if ever encountering a live and in person penis at all other than their boyfriend's.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2904334]Don't forget that E is also a long term resident. Girls know that a resident is far more likely to pass and wait for an acceptable offer or simply call one of the other 1000 Contacts than a horny week long visitor.

The same goes for attitude. Who cares about pleasing a guy that's going to be gone tomorrow. Please a resident and she can likely call to drop around again when the rent is due.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]You are absolutely 100% correct. This is what I keep telling them. Long stays get better deals. Though, they keep not believing.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2904401]You are absolutely 100% correct. This is what I keep telling them. Long stays get better deals. Though, they keep not believing.[/QUOTE]The guy who gets the best deals in terms of service levels is the sad, seemingly inexperienced rube who claims to have just arrived in Thailand and will only be here for a week or so. Even better than average lookers will try very hard to rock his world in the first session on the hope that this sad inexperienced rube who has probably not gotten laid in his home country for a year will be so impressed by her "beauty", so grateful and perhaps even "in love" that he will want to see her every day of his stay and continue showing his gratitude long after he has returned home with serious baht transfers. She might not even charge him her top dollar for fear of scaring away such a cream puff mark.

And, yes, by "rock his world" I am referring to BBFS+CIP, BBFS+CIM+Swallow, you name it. Why not? This sad inexperienced rube hasn't had sex in so long he must be safe, right? LOL.

That guy is a much better score for her in terms of a potential long term ATM easy money income source than a recognized local resident, especially a seemingly highly experienced one, who, in her mind, must surely be riddled with disease by now, has many more experiences against which she might pale in comparison and, worst of all, there is little to zero chance that guy is going to be leaving anytime soon, at which point he might devote the following year to sending her serious baht for nothing.

Quite the contrary; whenever she want money from the guy who lives right down the soi from her she has to actually show up and work for it. That is definitely NOT a better deal for her vs that sad, seemingly inexperienced rube who hasn't gotten laid in. A year back home I cited above. She will work harder for the latter than the former.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2904334]Don't forget that E is also a long term resident. Girls know that a resident is far more likely to pass and wait for an acceptable offer or simply call one of the other 1000 Contacts than a horny week long visitor.[/QUOTE]It is not that at all. Remember I go to many other places where I do not live and operate the same way. I have friends in the know that do not live here and come and go other places and operate the same way. Then I have friends that live here and operate like the horny week long visitor. When some of them tell me how much they gave a chick I am like why.

I reported about a buddy coming here a couple of weeks ago for the first time and no matter what I told him, he operated like a horny guy that was here for 1 week, until he got experience and realized what I was telling him would work. His problem was that he falls in love with every chick he lays eyes on, so he was putty in their hands. Just yesterday he sent me a conversation with one of the chicks he fucked here. He called her queen and was surprised she was not pregnant. I said mf she is no queen and they go get the morning after pill for 30 baht if they are not already on birth control. Then he was like it makes so much sense now. No shit Sherlock. But I guess you can't blame a guy for not knowing what he does not know and buying into a fantasy that these are queens deserving of 4000 baht and not poor farmer chicks that would otherwise take a couple of months to make that.

I am not a must have kind of guy. So if I am not getting it under my terms then I do not mind passing up on something. Besides, most places that I go I have plenty of free chicks to fuck, so it is not like I have to pay or have a dry dick. I do the shit for fun and not out of necessity, therefore I am able to keep a level head when it comes to making a deal or go on to the next one.

TF Encounter 2:

After the last disaster, met a young slim girl from TF who actually worked in a bar. Her TF photos are also in a bar dress. I selected her as she was smiling in the photos, and after the last horrible encounter I was bit wary of non smiling girls. Looks wise she is cute, but not sexy type. She was also happy she got some business as I was her 1st customer for the day, and it was already 7 pm.

She came wearing a long sweatshirt type dress. When she removed it, lo and behold. A smiling bar girl in bar dress in my hotel room!

My only disappointment was with her boobs (or the lack of it, almost flat chested). So much that I wondered if my TF luck has gone from bad to worse and I got a ladyboy this time LOL. She does make up for it with her willingness for anything. Was in a lip lock with her for the entire session. Good sport! Can take a heavy banging, and even ok for bareback. I asked her if I can remove condom as I was not getting enough feeling and not able to cum even after 20 minutes. She said "up to you". So did a quick inspection of her privates and went bareback. Asked for permission to release inside. "Up to you" came the reply, so I came inside after few minutes of heavy banging.

Cuddled for 5 minutes and went for shower, then bid our goodbyes.

TF Encounter 3:

After gaining some confidence with the cute TF bar girl, I decided to give it a try with sexy pussy again. Agreed for 1700 baht for a young beauty. When I saw her at reception, I was very happy with her looks but still had doubts on the service part. She was friendly and speaking good English. Once in the room, she removed dress and I was able to see and appreciate her flawless beauty, she smiled and said "I am shy" and went for shower. I knew I was in for a good time and thanked my lucky stars heheh. It was a nice session but I couldn't bang her hard as I was worried I will come sooner (happened with me before with pretty chicks, maybe I should take a delay pill or spray for such occasions).

Finished the session, took some selfies and bid our goodbyes.

We need these type of girls in life, not the bitches like the one I got in 1st encounter. I followed same approach for all the 3 TF girls but not sure why 1st one was a complete *****. Maybe as one poster said, YMMV.

Overall two very nice experiences. Will use ThaiFriendly more frequently in my next Pattaya trips. I kind of regret sticking mostly to soapies in my last few trips and even at starting of this trip. Although soapy girls were also nice (mostly), they were expensive and kind of lower in quality (age, looks) compared to TF girls.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2904288]This girl here just trips me out. Her profile is so funny. And weird at the same time[/QUOTE]What a dumb profile, that only suggests she became a very arrogant person. She probably searched for hours to finally come with that piece of theater while she could have it done in three words: Don't text me.

Unless she and the guys that keep sending messages to her (Indian guys maybe?) find it funny.

So, what's the plan in her mind? Once she'll find some guys dumb enough to go through all her BS, what is she going to do next? Split to their faces?

[QUOTE=Ulalaulala123;2903757]What's the modus operandi for TF. I updated my headline as "looking for short time 1500 baht" as suggested by one monger here. Lots of chicks showing interest but only few are good looking and they are not replying to messages. Only average lookers are messaging.

Even upgraded to premium to chat with the "popular" profiles but they are also not viewing messages![/QUOTE]Ice water runs through my veins. Not quite God's gift to women, but damn close. I consider myself doing charity every time I pay these girls for sex. Honestly, I think I am a "good catch" when it comes to girls. So my approach on TF has always been straight to the point. See pic. I do the same at bars / GoGo bars / or at a club. I don't need to get to know them with silly question or small talk. I just want to bang. And my logic is "better me than the next guy. " Take my dinero. I may even ask for a handsome man discount.

[QUOTE=Ulalaulala123;2904424]After the last disaster, met a young slim girl from TF. I asked her if I can remove condom as I was not getting enough feeling and not able to cum even after 20 minutes. She said "up to you".[/QUOTE]Funny how some people swear this must to be negotiated in advance and if not then if the chick does it she was not old and she was butt ugly. Who swears something is impossible simply on the basis that they are not able to do it?

Sometimes you find out the hard way.

Scam: shumai dumplings advertised for 25 baht. And this sad thing in a bag was what I received after they asked for the money first to ring it up.

Gem: 60 baht for big chicken kebab that some places sell 120+.

Scam: Paying more than 1000 for anyone at any bar in Myth Nights. Come on folks, this is just the same girls / LBs who worked at Soi Made in Thailand after it was remodeled. There was a reason why it was torn down.

I guess sometimes dim sum and sometimes you lose some.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2904376] At 5 pm I decided to head out for some afternoon fun. I had a brainwave, for a change I'd try the gents clubs on soi Boomerang. It's an L-shaped road just off soi Buakhao, near the hospital. However the collection of girls outside the clubs were very uninspiring. If I had seen one girl even remotely enticing I'd have invited her inside for a drink, but they were all older dears. I abandoned the idea. [/QUOTE]Yeah, at 5 pm, Soi Boomerang isn't going to really up and running yet. In fact, if not for SLUTZ reopening just recently, I would've been surprised if anyone was out at that time.

Calm down gentleman Hot attractive girls are NOT giving long Timers deals at 1,000 a session.

Those that are not attracting Rich Indians or Koreans. He'll yeah they'll accept 1 k.

Stop Believing the 1 k guys. It's just not true.

Put yourself in the girls shoes. Hot and desirable aren't not going going to charge 30% of normal rates. 3 k being normal.

Come on guys.

I went to see a Thai Friendly chick yesterday and she had a whole farang husband right there in living color. She still has not said anything about it and I have not either.

Reminds me of when I was in the Navy and I was at the base's Filipina doorknob's house sitting on the couch watching TV with her. Her White American husband who was also in the Navy came in and just walked straight upstairs without saying a word.

I picked up a chick that I know right before 8 pm last night. We went to eat dinner together. What she ate did not have garlic but for some reason she smelled of strong garlic. 11:30 am and she is still sleeping. I came out of the bathroom and my room reeks of that shit. They must eat enough of that shit to keep the spirits and most people away.

After breakfast I went to a pharmacy to pick up antibiotics for my chest, which is showing no signs of getting better. I picked up my pile of the neatest ironed laundry I've ever seen from the little shop opposite and spent a lazy afternoon in my room.

It would prove to be an eventful afternoon though. At 5 pm I headed out with purpose to find a girl I could barfine for short-time. The problem is, there are hardly any bars open at this time and those that are tend to have a sparse collection of mainly older girls. I checked out soi Buakhao, Tree Town and Myth and all were sleepy. So I ended up walking down soi Pothole, which seems to get going a little earlier.

There I spotted a familiar face.

At one of the small bars was a sweet Lao girl I barfined two years ago from Booby Trap on soi Buakhao (which is now Night Moves). It certainly looked like her anyway but I hesitated for a second. Then she smiled and I was absolutely convinced it was the same girl. She had been 20 and fresh to the scene when I first met her and although she certainly looked two years older now, she still looked good. I remembered what a sweet, nice girl she was so bought her a drink.

Something strange happened inside the bar. I was having a good time, catching up with her when all of a sudden I felt dizzy. I went to the toilet at the back of the bar and it felt like a sauna inside and suddenly sweat was pouring from me. I went back to my seat and my Lao girl pointed all the fans at me and mopped my brow with wet wipes but for a few minutes I genuinely thought I might pass out.

I know what caused it. Because of the chest infection, which has lasted well over a week now, I've not been eating properly. Three or four days ago I had a coughing fit in my room that was so violent I ended up being sick. I didn't want to run the risk of that happening in public so I've been eating very little. Today for example I've eaten nothing but breakfast. Not even one snack since. This dizzy spell was my body's way of telling me 'feed me for fuck sake! '.

Once I cooled down I felt better again. I liked the way the Lao girl had looked after me so I decided to pay her barfine. It was 400 and she said 'up to you' when I asked about her short-time price. '200 it is' I joked and we walked the short distance back to my hotel hand in hand. She looked cute in an oversized football shirt.

This girl put in a very good performance when we first fucked a few years ago, but now she's got confidence and has an impressive array of skills, honed and perfected no doubt on a steady stream of farang. She spat on my dick as she gave me a sloppy blowjob and I propped two pillows behind my back as she rode me, her big tits swinging in my face.

I gave her 1500 baht before she left and hugged her goodbye. It had been really lovely to see her again. A great girl.

After she left I pondered what to do tonight. I considered sending Sam a message but I'll be honest, earlier on the trip I questioned why I spend time with him. We were in a bar at Myth when he pointed out a girl sat at the front. 'See that girl there? ' he said, 'I called her over a few weeks ago and told her you've got a fucking amazing body, shame your face is pig ugly'. He laughed at his joke but I was shocked that anyone would think it was okay to speak to a girl like that. Some people lose all basic common decency when they spend time in Pattaya. It must have been a bitter pill to swallow for the girl, being called ugly by a short, bald man who looks about 20 years older than he actually is.

My phone pinged in my pocket and my evening's plans suddenly fell in to place.

It was a message on Line from Nui the nymphomaniac, a tiny girl I've fucked five times over the past few years, who I originally met on soi 6. 'I'm available tonight' the message said. I arranged for her to come round to my hotel at 10 pm, to give me enough time to listen to my body's advice and get some food. I ate a tasty beef goulash at Dre restaurant and was back waiting in my room by half nine.

She arrived and as always insisted I meet her outside instead of coming straight up to my room. She's a tiny girl, her head is below my shoulders, and she was wearing a super-sexy white halter bondage top, as well as her trademark grin. The sex was great as always. She's so tiny it's easy to try unusual positions. I fucked her standing up in front of the mirror, her legs wrapped around me, and enjoyed fucking her doggy-style stood at the end of the bed, her tiny arse pointed invitingly in my direction.

As we got our breaths back afterwards she showed me photos of her home in Laos and her super cute baby girl. She lives at the most idyllic farm, fields of crops framed by dramatic mountains, a snapshot of rural perfection backpackers would pay good money to stay at for a week.

I slipped her the usual 1500 before she left.

All in all, a great day. I fucked two girls who had been highlights of previous trips and both delivered great sex.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2900386]Always my dilemma in Patts.

1. Go all out on a new GoGo girl (white bikini) 2000+3000+4 drinks or close 6 K ST.

2. Go all out on new Soi 6 girl (pink and white top) 2000+400+1 drink or close 2500 total ST.

3. Or stick to my black book girls (flower nighty) 1000-1500.

But I am glad to at least have the opportunity to choose. I just wonder do I choose decent girls or have bad taste. By the way pricing has always been partly about the customer. I've never been quoted 4000 barfine and 4000ST, especially at Windmill. Sometimes you just got to look in the mirror and figure out if there is something they don't like. Somebody pointed me to Owen on YT and I seriously need to quit picking on the others not so fortunate. Sometimes I forget I am on a entirely different playing field.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Venturi34;2902045]As a follow up in case anyone was curious I figured it out. That girl was from Omega bar and pretty sure she doesn't work there anymore. That picture is from January, not sure why the other dude stated like it was new.[/QUOTE]I was on soi 6 and decided to pop in to Omega bar, to see if the girl was there from ElMexicant's 'eternal dilemma' post. Thanks to Venturi's sterling detective work I was able to confirm via a visit to Omega's Facebook page that there was a photo of the girl ElMexicant claimed on March 11 is his 'new soi 6 girl'. I had to scroll back to January to find her pic and suspiciously there hasn't been a photo of her since.

I arrived at the bar, bought myself a drink and got a prime table, just behind all of the girls who were crowded at the front of the bar. There were a few nice girls for sure but the girl in question wasn't there. I took my phone out and showed the picture to another girl but she didn't recognise her. However, she took my phone to a lady behind the cashier desk who was able to confirm that the girl no longer works at Omega Bar. 'How long she finish? ' I asked and the cashier thought about it for a few seconds before holding two fingers up. 'Two months' she said. I asked her if she now works in another bar but the cashier told me she went home.

Which means that when ElMexicant said a few weeks ago that he might 'go all out on his new soi 6' girl, she'd been back in her province for at least a month.

I find it extraordinary the amount of testosterone you get with some people on ISG. You'd think this forum would be a safe space to exchange information but on every thread there is someone like ElMexicant, beating his chest and picking fights for no good reason. 'My girl is prettier than yours' they taunt, like a kid in the playground. I might have let this particular lie go, if it wasn't for the fact that he claimed in the same post to be on a different playing field from everyone else. Anyone who spouts such a deluded comment deserves to have their BS exposed.

So in conclusion, it turns out that the real 'eternal dilemma' ElMexicant faces is which of his picture collection to wank off to tonight.

On beach road is it acceptable or an issue to dip out to the water to light one up?

At least now while it is still legal? Is it easy to find pot head ladies to join ya?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2904660]I went to see a Thai Friendly chick yesterday and she had a whole farang husband right there in living color. She still has not said anything about it and I have not either.
[/QUOTE]Wait, what?

You went to a TF lady's room, and her "husband" was in the room? How do you know he was the husband, and not the customer before you? Did he wait in the room when you fucked her?

Why did you go to her room, she couldn't make it to your hotel?

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2904796]

I find it extraordinary the amount of testosterone you get with some people on ISG. You'd think this forum would be a safe space to exchange information but on every thread there is someone like ElMexicant, beating his chest and picking fights for no good reason. 'My girl is prettier than yours' they taunt, like a kid in the playground. I might have let this particular lie go, if it wasn't for the fact that he claimed in the same post to be on a different playing field from everyone else. Anyone who spouts such a deluded comment deserves to have their BS exposed.

So in conclusion, it turns out that the real 'eternal dilemma' ElMexicant faces is which of his picture collection to wank off to tonight.[/QUOTE]Thanks for saying that, Sir Lancelot. Now that you've said it, allow me to embellish.

I've been on these ISG forums for about 22 years. I'm not a prolific poster here, but I've posted on message boards in Asia, South America, and Europe since 2000. I've always noticed the tendency of certain posters on ISG (dating back many years) to come on and dominate the threads, or to just want to show other guys how macho they are. It makes reading ISG almost unbearable at times, and it pollutes the otherwise honest exchange of information relating to our favorite hobby of mongering with pretty women in other countries.

Personally, I cannot imagine making posts on this or any other board where I would brag about my biceps (or triceps), but that's just what ElMexicant does. Here are some quotes from his posts:

"none of these girls Soi 6 pictured accepted my offer of 1300 upstairs ST +1 lady drink + room charge. That's even after I let them fondled my biceps after I flexed my arm for them. ".

"I was at CoCo Fitness today and they haven't seen for 3 months, but said I look better than the last time I was in Pattaya. Must be those skull crushers. Big guns means building the triceps not biceps. ".

"They all wanted 2000 and a couple even quoted 2500- 3000 + 1 drink + room fee. Ridiculous because I even flexed my biceps to try to get a discount. ".

Why would someone be telling an audience of men how big their biceps are? And how is that relevant to the topic at hand? I also cannot imagine coming on a public forum and being so arrogant:

Another ElMexicant quote:

"Ice water runs through my veins. Not quite God's gift to women, but damn close. I consider myself doing charity every time I pay these girls for sex. Honestly, I think I am a "good catch" when it comes to girls. ".

Hatred of women:

Another ElMexicant quote:

"Maybe it's better to rally around more honorable stories about poisoning random girls with 30 drinks so I can get them intoxicated to get some BBFS and CIP while being ripped off with hugely inflated drink prices. " Huh?

Admitting to theft on a public forum:

More ElMexicant quotes:

1. "Go hang out at the entrance behind other guests and pay attention to their room number when they announce it. Call them on your room hotel to their room hotel and tell them you are housekeeping. And ask what time will they check out tomorrow. When they say "we don't, we have XXX days," that's your cue to show up at 6 am next morning and use their room number and eat. ".

2. "Find a resort hotel with patio tables for breakfast. Grab you one of the dirty plates off a table that has been left for clean up. Enter with dirty plates in hand and exchange them on your way to the buffet. Nobody will ask anything. If they do, start talking in some foreign language not named English. ".

"Shit. I've gotten so good at this that I even order poolside drinks and food and bill it to another room. I also use different hotel, resorts, and condo pools and gyms when I am in Pattaya. No need to pay for that type of stuff. Grand Avenue has an excellent gym if you know how to sneak in. ".

"There are three 5 star hotels that makes it easy for a free breakfast, but those I save for myself on how to. Starting your day with a free breakfast in a hotel you are not staying in is a must every morning to fuel you for the rest of the day. ".

And a final quote about this guy's character (he said this, not me):

Another ElMexicant quote:

"Lying goes a long way when you have confidence. ".

I'm sure he'll say he was just joking about all this stuff, but either way, he's a sad man.

[QUOTE=OldSchool318;2904834]On beach road is it acceptable or an issue to dip out to the water to light one up?

At least now while it is still legal? Is it easy to find pot head ladies to join ya?[/QUOTE]It is officially illegal to smoke in public places I think.

Very few potheads among the girls, and I think the few potheads among them will prefer to get high when they are with friends rather than with a client.

[QUOTE=OldSchool318;2904834]On beach road is it acceptable or an issue to dip out to the water to light one up?[/QUOTE]It is not legal to smoke in public. Some of the shops that sell it allow people to smoke inside though.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2904836]Wait, what?

You went to a TF lady's room, and her "husband" was in the room? How do you know he was the husband, and not the customer before you? Did he wait in the room when you fucked her?

Why did you go to her room, she couldn't make it to your hotel?[/QUOTE]I did not say any of that. I said I went to see. They have businesses together in what is I guess their house too, and there was a picture of them together on the wall as many married couples would have. Plus the wedding rings.

Rode through Surprise BBQ today and there were no signs of life. Maps says permanently closed as well. Grand Opening, Grand Closing?

I tried to arrange a barfine next week with a Soi Pothole bargirl, but she is booked up for next week.

So, I guess some areas in Pattaya are still busy.

Breaking news, I have been banned from Tinder. I thought my messages were generally very tame but I think I used the word 'short-time' and have been suspended as a result. I find it amusing that an App which essentially facilitates one night stands should take any kind of moral high ground on sex for sale.

So I joined ThaiFriendly and immediately got a few bites. The free version of the site has a few annoyances, mainly the fact you can only send a message every 10 minutes! It's not conducive to flowing conversation. Secondly the prettiest girls have a 'popular' sticker on their profile and only members are allowed to message them. If I lived in Pattaya I'd be tempted to join but it's not worth it for the remaining four days of my trip.

My plan today was to find a girl on soi 6 and then maybe another from one of the bars later. Time is running out on my trip so I'm on the final dash to the finishing line, two girls a day minimum.

It was Saturday night and the roads were busy. Tourists had paint on their faces, as there was a festival going on at the beach. I reached the top of soi 6 at 6. 40 pm and the street was packed. Deep breath, game face on, go.

I spotted a little blond outside Lust and a skinny girl with green hair at another bar that would satisfy my urge to tick off all hair colours of the spectrum.

I couldn't resist stopping at Omega Bar for a beer to see if ElMexicant's 'new girl' was there, from his 'eternal dilemma' post in which he claimed he was on a different playing field to everyone else. It turns out his 'new girl' hasn't worked in Pattaya for two months.

Back on the street I saw a lovely girl sat on the step in front of a crowded bar. She was tall, had luscious long hair and no tattoos. She looked like a step-back-in-time girl from how these streets might have looked decades ago. I couldn't resist. She asked for 2000 but accepted 1500.

She got undressed and had the body of a model. Tall and slender with tiny tits. Despite this she pinched her slender belly and said 'pum pui! ' Thai girls always do this, even if they're skinny. I knew I was in for a good time when she crawled on to the bed and made cat claws with her hands, then prowled vixen-like over my body and kissed me passionately on the lips. The sex lived up to expectations. I think she watches a lot of porn in her spare time because she kept repeating 'oh baby, oh baby' as I gave her pussy a good pounding.

I took some photos afterwards for my own collection and she looked great in the pics in which she was smiling but I managed to capture one photo when she wasn't and my god her resting face was photogenic. It's funny how some girls tense up in front of a camera and some girls don't.

With a spring in my step I walked back along 2nd Road, through Myth, and bought a drink for a pretty girl at Oh Bar I've had my eyes on for a while. This has been my favourite beer bar for several years but has disappointed me on this trip as it has always been quiet with hardly any girls. Tonight however there were five or six nice girls, clinking glasses with the barflies.

I ate at Hungry Hippo on soi Buakhao, which does lots of home-made western favourites, as well as an array of desserts.

Ordinarily I'd enjoy a leisurely bar-crawl in the evening but my chest infection means I've only got a limited amount of time before the cigarette smoke makes me start coughing. So my plan was to do a circuit of the usual spots and pounce upon any attractive girl. I saw a candidate at Buddy Bar but she was eating food, my favourite at Ass 95 was with a customer. I trudged past, head bowed in an Oscar-worthy performance, making sure she saw my pain.

It's sad to walk past Moonlight. Two years ago this was my favourite bar and I had some great nights in there, but now the girls sit in a line outside, barely looking up from their mobile phones. The bar has become so geared to Korean customers it's lost all personality and the girls always look so bored.

It was 10.15 pm and I had an idea. I'd go to soi LK Metro and see if my Terminal 21 girl was at Las Vegas. But when I got to the door two bouncers converged on me and insisted I hand over the bottle of honey lemon iced tea I'd purchased from the 7 Eleven. Ever since I've had a bad chest I've tried tablets, lozenges, powders and now antibiotics, yet it's this iced tea which has the most soothing effect. I explained I needed it but they wouldn't let me in, so I walked away.

On the fork of LK Metro heading towards soi Buakhao there are a lot of bars with excitable girls outside. I spotted a nice girl with a big metallic smile and the tiniest waist I've ever seen and bought her a drink. We clicked so I enquired about prices. She told me the barfine was 1000 but I could also pay for a room upstairs for 650 baht. I hadn't considered that these bars would have short-time rooms. She quoted an ambitious 2500 short-time price but came down to 1500 and soon I was following her peachy little bum up the dimly lit back staircase. She was extraordinarily skinny.

The room wouldn't score highly on TripAdvisor. Loud music from the bars below rattled the window and the bed was rock hard. The air-con tried in vain to keep the temperature sub-tropical.

It was her first week at the bar and I've scarcely experience such a tight pussy. I got in two or three inches as she grimaced and tossed her head around. 'Are you okay? ' I asked. We struggled clumsily like this for about a minute, like two virgins having sex for the first time. I thought this was as good as it was going to get, but then she wiggled her hips and arched her back and suddenly my dick slid all the way in, making her gasp and clutch the pillow. The sex was great. I was slow and gentle at first but soon I was fucking her hard in doggy.

By midnight I was back in my room, reflecting on another great day in Pattaya. I've had to amend my modus operandi due to my chest infection but I'm picking up some great girls.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2904945]Breaking news, I have been banned from Tinder. I thought my messages were generally very tame but I think I used the word 'short-time' and have been suspended as a result. I find it amusing that an App which essentially facilitates one night stands should take any kind of moral high ground on sex for sale.

So I joined ThaiFriendly and immediately got a few bites. The free version of the site has a few annoyances, mainly the fact you can only send a message every 10 minutes! It's not conducive to flowing conversation. Secondly the prettiest girls have a 'popular' sticker on their profile and only members are allowed to message them. If I lived in Pattaya I'd be tempted to join but it's not worth it for the remaining four days of my trip.

My plan today was to find a girl on soi 6 and then maybe another from one of the bars later. Time is running out on my trip so I'm on the final dash to the finishing line, two girls a day minimum.

It was Saturday night and the roads were busy. Tourists had paint on their faces, as there was a festival going on at the beach. I reached the top of soi 6 at 6. 40 pm and the street was packed. Deep breath, game face on, go.

I spotted a little blond outside Lust and a skinny girl with green hair at another bar that would satisfy my urge to tick off all hair colours of the spectrum.

I couldn't resist stopping at Omega Bar for a beer to see if ElMexicant's 'new girl' was there, from his 'eternal dilemma' post in which he claimed he was on a different playing field to everyone else. It turns out his 'new girl' hasn't worked in Pattaya for two months.

Back on the street I saw a lovely girl sat on the step in front of a crowded bar. She was tall, had luscious long hair and no tattoos. She looked like a step-back-in-time girl from how these streets might have looked decades ago. I couldn't resist. She asked for 2000 but accepted 1500.

She got undressed and had the body of a model. Tall and slender with tiny tits. Despite this she pinched her slender belly and said 'pum pui! ' Thai girls always do this, even if they're skinny. I knew I was in for a good time when she crawled on to the bed and made cat claws with her hands, then prowled vixen-like over my body and kissed me passionately on the lips. The sex lived up to expectations. I think she watches a lot of porn in her spare time because she kept repeating 'oh baby, oh baby' as I gave her pussy a good pounding.

I took some photos afterwards for my own collection and she looked great in the pics in which she was smiling but I managed to capture one photo when she wasn't and my god her resting face was photogenic. It's funny how some girls tense up in front of a camera and some girls don't.

With a spring in my step I walked back along 2nd Road, through Myth, and bought a drink for a pretty girl at Oh Bar I've had my eyes on for a while. This has been my favourite beer bar for several years but has disappointed me on this trip as it has always been quiet with hardly any girls. Tonight however there were five or six nice girls, clinking glasses with the barflies.

I ate at Hungry Hippo on soi Buakhao, which does lots of home-made western favourites, as well as an array of desserts.

Ordinarily I'd enjoy a leisurely bar-crawl in the evening but my chest infection means I've only got a limited amount of time before the cigarette smoke makes me start coughing. So my plan was to do a circuit of the usual spots and pounce upon any attractive girl. I saw a candidate at Buddy Bar but she was eating food, my favourite at Ass 95 was with a customer. I trudged past, head bowed in an Oscar-worthy performance, making sure she saw my pain.

It's sad to walk past Moonlight. Two years ago this was my favourite bar and I had some great nights in there, but now the girls sit in a line outside, barely looking up from their mobile phones. The bar has become so geared to Korean customers it's lost all personality and the girls always look so bored.

It was 10.15 pm and I had an idea. I'd go to soi LK Metro and see if my Terminal 21 girl was at Las Vegas. But when I got to the door two bouncers converged on me and insisted I hand over the bottle of honey lemon iced tea I'd purchased from the 7 Eleven. Ever since I've had a bad chest I've tried tablets, lozenges, powders and now antibiotics, yet it's this iced tea which has the most soothing effect. I explained I needed it but they wouldn't let me in, so I walked away.

On the fork of LK Metro heading towards soi Buakhao there are a lot of bars with excitable girls outside. I spotted a nice girl with a big metallic smile and the tiniest waist I've ever seen and bought her a drink. We clicked so I enquired about prices. She told me the barfine was 1000 but I could also pay for a room upstairs for 650 baht. I hadn't considered that these bars would have short-time rooms. She quoted an ambitious 2500 short-time price but came down to 1500 and soon I was following her peachy little bum up the dimly lit back staircase. She was extraordinarily skinny.

The room wouldn't score highly on TripAdvisor. Loud music from the bars below rattled the window and the bed was rock hard. The air-con tried in vain to keep the temperature sub-tropical.

It was her first week at the bar and I've scarcely experience such a tight pussy. I got in two or three inches as she grimaced and tossed her head around. 'Are you okay? ' I asked. We struggled clumsily like this for about a minute, like two virgins having sex for the first time. I thought this was as good as it was going to get, but then she wiggled her hips and arched her back and suddenly my dick slid all the way in, making her gasp and clutch the pillow. The sex was great. I was slow and gentle at first but soon I was fucking her hard in doggy.

By midnight I was back in my room, reflecting on another great day in Pattaya. I've had to amend my modus operandi due to my chest infection but I'm picking up some great girls.[/QUOTE]This is Puzzling.

You find Cuties everywhere yet you go online. Please Clarify.

[QUOTE=Cornwall;2904855]Why would someone be telling an audience of men how big their biceps are? And how is that relevant to the topic at hand? I also cannot imagine coming on a public forum and being so arrogant:[/QUOTE]I guess you just have to know him. He is nothing like you are thinking. When I read all the stuff you quoted I laugh because I know him. He is just talking trash. 4 years ago during covid he was telling me a story about the cat with the fist that waves. To this day I laugh every time I think of that shit or see one of those cats. I had never really paid much attention to those things until he brought it up.

[QUOTE=FortyDrinks;2904958]This is Puzzling.

You find Cuties everywhere yet you go online. Please Clarify.[/QUOTE]Anybody who has a good and fun time in Angeles City loses credibility with me. Years before COVID, I booked 10 days in AC. Left after 3, they can keep my paid hotel fare for the 10 day stay. It was that bad. Had to get out of that shit hole. But here we got a Superstar at the AC GoGos, but Mr. Beer Bar Goggles in Pattaya. Says much?

[QUOTE=FortyDrinks;2904958]This is Puzzling.

You find Cuties everywhere yet you go online. Please Clarify.[/QUOTE]While I prefer to meet girls in the flesh, my chest infection has meant I've had to change my modus operandi towards the back end of the trip, to try and spend less time in smoky bars. I joined ThaiFriendly to try and set up some afternoon meets, so girls come straight to my hotel. Plus there's a cost implication. I've fucked 43 girls on this trip and going online is a good way of saving some money (cheaper prices, no lady-drinks etc).

At sirlancalot, just a tip for TF. If you search for the user name of a 'popular' girl, you will be able to access her profile and send a message.

Typically I pay for a month of premium when I'm there, but when I am browsing in the weeks before, this trick helps.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2904892]Now you know what type of monger I am. In these wise words of Homey the Clown, "Homey don't play that![/QUOTE]A disgusting one. Meeting minors. Should be banned from this website.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2905005]A disgusting one. Meeting minors. Should be banned from this website.[/QUOTE]Her profile said she was 19. She told him she was 17. He told her he could not meet her since she was too young for him because she was 17. He did not meet her. What is your issue?

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2904992]While I prefer to meet girls in the flesh, my chest infection has meant I've had to change my modus operandi towards the back end of the trip, to try and spend less time in smoky bars. I joined ThaiFriendly to try and set up some afternoon meets, so girls come straight to my hotel. Plus there's a cost implication. I've fucked 43 girls on this trip and going online is a good way of saving some money (cheaper prices, no lady-drinks etc).[/QUOTE]Hi, rarely chip in but have posted some reports on actual trips, bars, girls, good times. What I don't get is that Sir Lancelot posts nice long detailed reports on what his day and night is like and some "members" can't resisit having a dig, a "query", a snide remark etc. My experience is that we are all punters and bars I have visited in Thailand, Cambodia and Philippines can all be wonderful and you get the time of your life and then next visit - 3 months, 6 months, 1 week later, whatever. Nothing is going on that appeals to you. All this means is that the girls you liked last time have a job, have a life, have days off, have family visits etc. They are not deperately waiting for you to turn up again, anxiously looking at the door (some are of course.). Um, not sure what other contributions to make here. But well done to Sir Lancelot (wonderful, ridiculous member name) and lighten up all the guys who enjoy being members of the commentariat. Lastly, I was in Angeles on 3 visits last year and went mainly with girls I knew from previous trips: 27 year old who is my travel buddy and is a lovely person and very cute, slim, funny, A 19 year old with a perfect body, very cute face and the friendliest manner, and a 20 year old who had a baby when she turned 18 , met me before and after work for cheaper sessions and is gorgeous, goes swimming with me and her daughter and has never had a difficult moment with me. Bla bla bla. Enjoy guys. Covid nailed things down and now tourism is taking off again. You are lucky.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2905014]Her profile said she was 19. She told him she was 17. He told her he could not meet her since she was too young for him because she was 17. He did not meet her. What is your issue?[/QUOTE]Last part he asked her how much ANYWAY. And she ask 4 K.

Post seems to be deleted BTW?

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2905060]Last part he asked her how much ANYWAY. And she ask 4 K.

Post seems to be deleted BTW?[/QUOTE]Time stamps? The work like this. The lower the time is the earlier the message. So I asked pricing FIRST like I do every girl. I don't dance around with "get to know you" questions. Jimmy Boy was correct. Not sure what the law is, but I did nothing wrong or illegal.

Apology accepted.

LOL.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2905060]Last part he asked her how much ANYWAY. And she ask 4 K.

Post seems to be deleted BTW?[/QUOTE]You, and apparently the moderator, read the post from the top down instead of bottom up, which was the correct way. If you had looked at the time stamps, you would have seen that the price was discussed first, with her justifying the price because she was young, and then her revealing her age and him turning her down because she was 17.

No possible way a new girl can mean new on my list to do, as opposed to a repeat. It has to mean new, as in her first time working ever at a bar. Who keeps track of the 1000's of girls? LOL.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2905102]You, and apparently the moderator, read the post from the top down instead of bottom up, which was the correct way. If you had looked at the time stamps, you would have seen that the price was discussed first, with her justifying the price because she was young, and then her revealing her age and him turning her down because she was 17.[/QUOTE]Exactly. The first thing she said was the price. Then she said how old she really was because I think the profile said 19. Then he said sorry 17 and 18 is too young.

I ran into one the other day where the profile did not show an age, but after I was writing with the person, in my inbox under her name you could see the age. I asked how old she was and she said 1 year older than what the age in the thing said. For some reason the ages are sometimes not right in TF. It even switched my age 5 years less in my profile somewhere along the 13 years or so that I have had my account.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2904972]I guess you just have to know him. He is nothing like you are thinking. When I read all the stuff you quoted I laugh because I know him. He is just talking trash. 4 years ago during covid he was telling me a story about the cat with the fist that waves. To this day I laugh every time I think of that shit or see one of those cats. I had never really paid much attention to those things until he brought it up.[/QUOTE]In the past, when his handle was still MonkeyPaw, other board members who met him also said he was a really nice guy. Makes me wonder why he comes across as such an arrogant asshole in his posts.

Another always dilemma for me when I am in Patts and hungry. I am a picky eater with only 18 different things I eat while in Thailand.

1. New Thai dish for called pad Thai with chicken for 50 baht from the market.

2. New Japanese ramen tom yum noodle with pork for 79 baht from a food court.

3. Stick to my my foodie list of 18 items like roasted chicken breast for 60 baht off a cart lady.

35+ grams of protein seems to win most of the time.

[QUOTE=FreeDude;2904994]At sirlancalot, just a tip for TF. If you search for the user name of a 'popular' girl, you will be able to access her profile and send a message.

Typically I pay for a month of premium when I'm there, but when I am browsing in the weeks before, this trick helps.[/QUOTE]How does this work? If I try to use the "Username serach" at the bottom I only get "You tried to perform a search that requires a premium membership".

I was on the 6 the other night and a girl was smoking one of those vapes. I said why do you keep smoking that bullshit? She said because it smells good. Exactly what I thought.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2905102]You, and apparently the moderator, read the post from the top down instead of bottom up, which was the correct way. If you had looked at the time stamps, you would have seen that the price was discussed first, with her justifying the price because she was young, and then her revealing her age and him turning her down because she was 17.[/QUOTE]As much as I dislike ElMexicant for his trolling, I read it like that too. However I suspect the moderator removed the photo because it's probably not the cleverest idea posting photos of an underage girl on a sex forum.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2905159]In the past, when his handle was still MonkeyPaw, other board members who met him also said he was a really nice guy. Makes me wonder why he comes across as such an arrogant asshole in his posts.[/QUOTE]I've met a few guys from this board who I didn't like their online persona much but in person are some of my favorite and nicest guys I have met in SEA over the years. Blanquiceleste and Natty Bumpo to name a couple. Then there are guys from the German forum who I enjoyed their online posts and let's just say I wouldn't even say Hi to them if I bumped into them in a FKK now. An online persona is just that. It's not who is really on the other end of a keyboard.

As for Monkeypaw, I just spent time with him this past month. He's that guy who will bend over backwards for you and is loyal to no end. He is a confident man like I am so to some that may be arrogance.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2904483]I may even ask for a handsome man discount.[/QUOTE]In case they think I'm kidding.

[QUOTE=Rexy1234;2905059]What I don't get is that Sir Lancelot posts nice long detailed reports on what his day and night is like and some "members" can't resisit having a dig, a "query", a snide remark etc.[/QUOTE]Firstly, thank you for your nice words. Regarding the negativity, this Pattaya thread is comfortably the worst on ISG. Maybe it's because of the high expat ratio but there are always smart-arses who feel they have to police everyone else, pick fault and criticise. I know for a fact people like these discourage newbies from posting their own experiences, which is sad.

I think the reason they do it is similar to old Western movies, you know, when an outsider walks in to a bar and the music stops and one of the locals stands up and declares 'your type aren't welcome around here'. That's what it feels like posting a report on this page! For some reason, they hate reading about other people having a good time. They immediately go on the defense and try to find fault. It says a lot about their own insecurities.

I have a theory about it actually. I think people who retire in Pattaya are finally living their dream, having their pick of the women they probably never got a second glance from back home. But for some people, the attention goes to their head and they have a God complex. ElMexicant claimed he's on a different playing field to everyone else, I had a guy on the Angeles page telling me 'leave the fucking to the big boys' ! Would-be alpha-males like these don't like the thought that outsiders like you and I can have an equally, if not better time. It undermines them, makes them realise that literally anyone can do what they're doing. They're paying girls to have sex with them. Have you noticed that these same people never pick fights with those who post about their bad experiences? Funny that, isn't it? They're not threatened by those people. Yet if anyone has the audacity to talk about what a great time they've had, they'll have a target on their back. It's pretty sad really.

To end, I just want to speak to any newbies who are thinking about visiting Pattaya. Do it. It's a sweet-shop and you'll have the time of your life. And if you do, post your experiences on here. Ignore the tiresome bores who only criticise, they are a vocal minority, I guarantee a lot of people will appreciate you sharing your experiences. I received a message this morning from a guy who has booked a trip in August after reading my diary. Sharing information is what this page should be all about, easy to forget when there is so much testosterone and unnecessary drama swirling around.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2904897]Rode through Surprise BBQ today and there were no signs of life. Maps says permanently closed as well. Grand Opening, Grand Closing?[/QUOTE]Somewhat sad, I've been eating at their hole in the wall for years. What 10 x 10 space on Buakhao 21st. I calculate they were doing a 25,000 a night?

Their new place a month a whole new location 1000 tops!

You ever on the Darkside Soi Khao Noi just after Tops Market same side is a new clean outdoor market on the top end side a Thai guy has a pizxs booth. I've had a number of Pizza from Thais at these type of markets his is by fasr the best. HR has about 20 Types starting 120 baht, his best in my opinion is 170 baht the Signature. They have tables you can eat there.

Further up from market around the bend same side Khao Noi Sportbar Wed, Thursday, they have a baby back ribs special at 199 with fries mray falls off the bone.

There was a plump Mexican chap sat next to me at breakfast at Sports Lounge chewing a toothpick, who kept making a series of unusual grunts and snorts. Very off-putting. After I'd eaten I went to the market on 2nd Road and bought a few souvenirs for the folks back home. Shopping bags in hand I backtracked down soi Honey towards my hotel.

It's funny though, sometimes when you're not looking for a girl, opportunities present themselves.

At one of the massage places I saw a sexy cougar. She had a curvy figure and a suggestive smile. 'You wan massage and boom boom? ' she said, reading my mind. I hadn't intended to find a girl but she seemed a guaranteed good time.

I followed her shapely bum upstairs having agreed to the 1200 baht price. She closed the curtain behind us in the cubicle and I knew I was in for a good time when she undressed. She had a sexy body and fake tits. Forget cute girls, these are the type of girls I should target on soi Honey! She was 34 years old and unusually from Chiang Rai. About 95% of the girls I ask are from Isaan.

She gave me a nice massage then gave me a skilful blowjob when I turned over. She rode me expertly then I fucked her in mish and doggy, before she bounced up and down on my cock Asian cowgirl until I shot my load.

An enjoyable quickie with a foxy cougar.

Back in my room I spent half an hour on ThaiFriendly. I emailed an older girl with a 2/10 face but 10/10 tits. They were massive natural breasts I couldn't help imagining wrapped around my dick. I also got chatting to two attractive younger girls, both of whom established early they were freelance and quoted 1500.

Slowly the sky turned pink, then Pattaya's skyline twinkled beneath the darkening sky. My plan tonight was to grab a pretty girl from one of the gogos. Did it work? Of course not.

I went to Las Vegas agogo at 8 pm. It was Sunday night so the place was quieter than previous visits. 12 girls were dancing and although several were older girls with pneumatic fake tits, there were a few pretty ones. Of course I was on the look-out for my Terminal 21 girl and I thought I had a possible sighting in the second dance shift, a tall, skinny cutie with luscious long dark hair, but it wasn't my girl.

I went to Mamasan Club LK next, which had a far more intimate layout with eight girls dancing. A couple of the girls were lovely, including a tall one who had tiny tits but erect nipples. I got a stiffy just looking at her cavorting around her chrome pole. I offered her a drink but was too slow, another customer had beaten me to it.

I crossed the street to Paradise but was disappointed when I took my seat and examined the 10 girls shuffling on stage in yellow bikinis. I'd be surprised if any of them were under 30, a far cry from the young Japanese looking girl with pigtails I once barfined from this bar. Outside the toilets seems to be where girls congregate when they're not on stage. Both cubicles were locked so I used the urinal as three or four girls watched, one of them chomping on a banana.

I got a bad seat in Destiny, near the door, which meant I didn't get the best view of the girls on the T-shaped stage. This bar is very popular with expats, I don't think I've seen so many silver foxes in one place at the same time.

I decided to abandon my gogo idea and get myself some food. I was disappointed. I was prepared to barfine any pretty girl I saw but the only one I was tempted by had already been bought a drink. However I'd enjoyed visiting the bars and will try some of the others tomorrow night.

After wolfing down a tuna jacket potato at Hungry Hippo I went on my usual circuit around Tree Town and Myth. The Area 52 girl I like was with a customer so I ended up buying a drink for a cutie at Ass 95. I've known her for a few years and fucked her on my last trip, but when I enquired about barfining her tonight she kept looking at her watch (10 pm) and was keen to know where I was staying. I wasn't in the mood for a rushed meet, so I lost interest.

I ended up walking along soi Honey. While this street has lots of massage-with-extras places stocked with older cougars, including half a dozen specialising in ladyboys, it also has a series of short time bars like Pink Lady and Runway, which have younger girls and short-time rooms upstairs. Quite often the girls are not to my taste but occasionally you can find a pretty one. I got chatting with a lovely 21 year old with a Cambodian appearance, who had the winning combo of braces on her teeth and big tits. She quoted 2000 but accepted 1500 and we were soon undressing in a dark room overlooking LK Metro.

'I'm shy' she said needlessly as her clothes fell to the floor. She had a lovely curvy body and her breasts were perfection in my books, full and jiggly with big nipples. I got rock hard just squeezing them. I kissed her and she told me I was only her third customer in the month she's worked at the bar. Although she was inexperienced the sex was great. When I first slid in she was very tight and I had to go slowly, but by the end she was riding me like a bucking bronco as I squeezed her perfect tits. One of the best fucks of the trip.

She had a mischievous side too. As we left the bar she told me to say 'yamadong' to her friend, who had a shocked look on her face and looked like she was going to slap me. Any ideas what I said?

Soi Honey disappointed me on my last trip but I'd fucked two girls on this street today, a massage-with-extras with a sexy cougar during the afternoon and then an enjoyable romp with a pretty 21 year old later.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2903916]
Maybe you missed my post about the importance of a foreigner and what he thinks come right after the importance of the fleas on their dog. No need in wasting your breath saying you were not happy. But I guess you saw that first hand.[/QUOTE]"right after the importance of what the fleas on their dog think". Most what-the-hell thing in that whole story is that the guy actually paid her 2000. I wouldn't even have let her stink up my shower after that.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2904945]Breaking news, I have been banned from Tinder. I thought my messages were generally very tame but I think I used the word 'short-time' and have been suspended as a result. I find it amusing that an App which essentially facilitates one night stands should take any kind of moral high ground on sex for sale.
[/QUOTE]Tinder is unfortunately very quick to ban. They have so many users that they just don't care I think. Look the wrong way, and you'll get banned, and they seem to have a very effective ban system in place too, so you might end up having to get both a different phone, phone number, and email to login again.

I've only used tinder for normal / non-p4 p dates, and even then, best to move the conversation to line ASAP lest you risk offending some lilly flower who reports you, because, tinder is very trigger-happy on their ban-button and just don't care. Unfortunately it's also the dating app with the most users, but bumble is a good number #2 and seems to suffer slightly less from indiscriminate bans.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2905254]Tinder is unfortunately very quick to ban. [/QUOTE]Agreed. I was also banned but was able to make another account since I have multiple emails / phone numbers. As you stated, its best to move the conversation to line app or whatsapp as soon as possible. I find bumble to be far superior but it depends on the city I'm in. Theres's also badou and several other apps but I just stick with tinder and bumble.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2905214]There was a plump Mexican chap sat next to me at breakfast at Sports Lounge chewing a toothpick, who kept making a series of unusual grunts and snorts. Very off-putting.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you and ElMexicant finally met in person.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2905194].... Blanquiceleste and Natty Bumpo to name a couple......[/QUOTE]Hey, I completely forgot about NB. When did he disappear from ISG? Whatever became of him?

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2905214]There was a plump Mexican chap sat next to me at breakfast at Sports Lounge chewing a toothpick, who kept making a series of unusual grunts and snorts. Very off-putting. After I'd eaten I went to the market on 2nd Road and bought a few souvenirs for the folks back home. Shopping bags in hand I backtracked down soi Honey towards my hotel.

It's funny though, sometimes when you're not looking for a girl, opportunities present themselves.

At one of the massage places I saw a sexy cougar. She had a curvy figure and a suggestive smile. 'You wan massage and boom boom? ' she said, reading my mind. I hadn't intended to find a girl but she seemed a guaranteed good time.

I followed her shapely bum upstairs having agreed to the 1200 baht price. She closed the curtain behind us in the cubicle and I knew I was in for a good time when she undressed. She had a sexy body and fake tits. Forget cute girls, these are the type of girls I should target on soi Honey! She was 34 years old and unusually from Chiang Rai. About 95% of the girls I ask are from Isaan.

She gave me a nice massage then gave me a skilful blowjob when I turned over. She rode me expertly then I fucked her in mish and doggy, before she bounced up and down on my cock Asian cowgirl until I shot my load.

An enjoyable quickie with a foxy cougar.

Back in my room I spent half an hour on ThaiFriendly. I emailed an older girl with a 2/10 face but 10/10 tits. They were massive natural breasts I couldn't help imagining wrapped around my dick. I also got chatting to two attractive younger girls, both of whom established early they were freelance and quoted 1500.

Slowly the sky turned pink, then Pattaya's skyline twinkled beneath the darkening sky. My plan tonight was to grab a pretty girl from one of the gogos. Did it work? Of course not.

I went to Las Vegas agogo at 8 pm. It was Sunday night so the place was quieter than previous visits. 12 girls were dancing and although several were older girls with pneumatic fake tits, there were a few pretty ones. Of course I was on the look-out for my Terminal 21 girl and I thought I had a possible sighting in the second dance shift, a tall, skinny cutie with luscious long dark hair, but it wasn't my girl.

I went to Mamasan Club LK next, which had a far more intimate alayout with eight girls dancing. A couple of the girls were lovely, including a tall one who had tiny tits but erect nipples. I got a stiffy just looking at her cavorting around her chrome pole. I offered her a drink but was too slow, another customer had beaten me to it.

I crossed the street to Paradise but was disappointed when I took my seat and examined the 10 girls shuffling on stage in yellow bikinis. I'd be surprised if any of them were under 30, a far cry from the young Japanese looking girl with pigtails I once barfined from this bar. Outside the toilets seems to be where girls congregate when they're not on stage. Both cubicles were locked so I used the urinal as three or four girls watched, one of them chomping on a banana.

I got a bad seat in Destiny, near the door, which meant I didn't get the best view of the girls on the T-shaped stage. This bar is very popular with expats, I don't think I've seen so many silver foxes in one place at the same time.

I decided to abandon my gogo idea and get myself some food. I was disappointed. I was prepared to barfine any pretty girl I saw but the only one I was tempted by had already been bought a drink. However I'd enjoyed visiting the bars and will try some of the others tomorrow night.

After wolfing down a tuna jacket potato at Hungry Hippo I went on my usual circuit around Tree Town and Myth. The Area 52 girl I like was with a customer so I ended up buying a drink for a cutie at Ass 95. I've known her for a few years and fucked her on my last trip, but when I enquired about barfining her tonight she kept looking at her watch (10 pm) and was keen to know where I was staying. I wasn't in the mood for a rushed meet, so I lost interest.

I ended up walking along soi Honey. While this street has lots of massage-with-extras places stocked with older cougars, including half a dozen specialising in ladyboys, it also has a series of short time bars like Pink Lady and Runway, which have younger girls and short-time rooms upstairs. Quite often the girls are not to my taste but occasionally you can find a pretty one. I got chatting with a lovely 21 year old with a Cambodian appearance, who had the winning combo of braces on her teeth and big tits. She quoted 2000 but accepted 1500 and we were soon undressing in a dark room overlooking LK Metro.

'I'm shy' she said needlessly as her clothes fell to the floor. She had a lovely curvy body and her breasts were perfection in my books, full and jiggly with big nipples. I got rock hard just squeezing them. I kissed her and she told me I was only her third customer in the month she's worked at the bar. Although she was inexperienced the sex was great. When I first slid in she was very tight and I had to go slowly, but by the end she was riding me like a bucking bronco as I squeezed her perfect tits. One of the best fucks of the trip.

She had a mischievous side too. As we left the bar she told me to say 'yamadong' to her friend, who had a shocked look on her face and looked like she was going to slap me. Any ideas what I said?

Soi Honey disappointed me on my last trip but I'd fucked two girls on this street today, a massage-with-extras with a sexy cougar during the afternoon and then an enjoyable romp with a pretty 21 year old later.[/QUOTE]Massage girl 1st one referenced. Checks out. Curvy and Cougar meaning Fat and Old-1,200 (appropriately Paid). No problems in Houston on this one.

Red Planet has prices in the $20's for April. High season might have arrived Guys.

After staying away for 3 months was hoping for those $15-17 prices they had this past not too long ago.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2905159]In the past, when his handle was still MonkeyPaw, other board members who met him also said he was a really nice guy. Makes me wonder why he comes across as such an arrogant asshole in his posts.[/QUOTE]Interesting. If that is the way MonkeyPaw came across in person then that is quite different from the way he came across online.

His character here was that he was the Light and the Way and anyone who challenged him was a loser and only his cult followers would ever be allowed to hang with him. LOL.

He dished it out by the garbage truck load but couldn't take it. He might have had the thinnest skin of any poster here. He immediately blocked several of us who dared to question the need to rack up 90,000+ baht bar tabs just to swing covered sex with the hottest Ladydrink hustlers in the place.

Then, despite his claim to educate and tutor anyone who joined him on a bar hop in his expert Light and the Way methods for getting great sex with the hottest girls, we got lengthy sad reports from frustrated and disappointed guys who actually did fall for his pitch and never scored anything more than if they'd walked into a bar blindfolded and broke to choose a lady. LOL.

Just sayin'.

[QUOTE=FortyDrinks;2905316]Massage girl 1st one referenced. Checks out. Curvy and Cougar meaning Fat and Old-1,200 (appropriately Paid). No problems in Houston on this one.[/QUOTE]Such a relief to have people like you proof-reading my posts. Once again though you're wrong. She wasn't fat at all, she was slim with fake tits. Great body and great value for 1200.

You're the guy who claimed soi 6 girls couldn't possibly be pretty enough to work on Walking Street. As a matter of interest, how do you think girls find bars? Do you think when they first arrive from their province they arrive at a toll-booth on the outskirts of Pattaya, where some officials look them up and down and tells them where to go?

'Swy mak mak, go to Pinup'.

'Oh dear, straight to Beach Road for you'.

'Hmm. I think you are soi 6 at best'.

Truth is, there are lots of very average looking girls at the gogo bars and a lot of very pretty girls on soi 6. You strike me as very naive to suggest otherwise.

Anyway good news, you've only got three more posts of mine to proof-read before my diary finishes. Must be very labour intensive for you trying to find fault all the time.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2905429]Such a relief to have people like you proof-reading my posts. Once again though you're wrong. She wasn't fat at all, she was slim with fake tits. Great body and great value for 1200.

You're the guy who claimed soi 6 girls couldn't possibly be pretty enough to work on Walking Street. As a matter of interest, how do you think girls find bars? Do you think when they first arrive from their province they arrive at a toll-booth on the outskirts of Pattaya, where some officials look them up and down and tell them where to go?

'Swy mak mak, go to Pinup'.

'Oh dear, straight to Beach Road for you'.

'Hmm. I think you are soi 6 at best'.

Truth is, there are lots of very average looking girls at the gogo bars and a lot of very pretty girls on soi 6. You strike me as very naive to suggest otherwise.

Anyway good news, you've only got three more posts of mine to proof-read before my diary finishes. Must be very labour intensive for you trying to find fault all the time.[/QUOTE]Just keeping it Real Sir.

Again for the 40th time there are very fiW pretty girls on Soi 6.

The last one was Baitoey,. And I would have to stretch as she was kind of Flat. Hahaha.

I had my first ThaiFriendly meet lined up for 2 pm. I sent her the location of my hotel (another useful feature on Line) and received a phone call from reception at 2. 05 pm informing me I had a guest. Only five minutes late is a major result when it comes to Asian girl's timekeeping.

When I opened the door I was reasonably pleased. The girl had enough of a resemblance to the pretty girl with tattoos in the photos on her profile. Game on. As she was riding me in cowgirl, me squeezing her small tits, there was a loud crack of thunder and suddenly rain began drumming down outside. It gave an apocalyptic soundtrack as she sucked me to a climax. Normally I find it difficult to cum when I'm being given oral as girls often stop and start too much but this girl sucked with the perfect suction, tempo and hand action, and soon I came to an intense climax. She heard me cumming and pulled her face away, laughing as I shot my load up my chest.

We lay on the bed chatting afterwards as she waited for the rain to subside. I enjoyed chatting with her. She told me she lived with two friends who are also both freelancing on ThaiFriendly.

In terms of payment, I have to confess I'm under-researched when it comes to ThaiFriendly but when I'd asked earlier and she replied '1500 with condom' it seemed a fair price. She was a cute girl.

I've lined another pretty girl from ThaiFriendly for tomorrow afternoon too. Ordinarily I find online hookups tedious but I've had to adapt my modus operandi for the last few weeks of this trip due to my bad chest. The less time I can spend in bars the better.

I had a lazy afternoon in my room, writing this diary and wasting time online. I must admit, I'm not feeling very mentally stimulated on this trip. I was supposed to be joined for the vast majority by my friend Macca but he bailed on me and Sam has been very elusive too due to dwindling funds. I enjoy mongering on my own in small doses but a month of having the same conversations over and over with bargirls is taking its toll. I'm craving male conversation, or at the very least someone to beat at pool.

Night fell quickly and soon I was striding purposefully out of my hotel, cashed up, with a few emergency condoms in my pocket in case I end up on soi 6 or soi Honey.

Last night I visited four gogo bars on soi LK Metro but was disappointed with the quality of girls. Tonight my plan was to try some different bars and attempt to barfine a girl as early as possible. For once, my plan worked.

It didn't start too promisingly. I went to Queen which in past years has been one of the top bars on soi LK Metro when it comes to pretty girls. However I walked inside to see eight rather fierce-looking older gals, all topless with big fake boobs, nipples pointing at an array of improbable angles. It was 8 pm and I was the only customer. The second dance shift was better, with a few prettier girls (natural tits, hallelujah!) but I couldn't help wondering what on earth has gone wrong with this place.

Two years ago I posted on this forum about 'the most beautiful girl in Pattaya' and now, since she has long gone, I can reveal that she used to work in this bar. Her face was exquisite and I was fortunate enough to see her first ever dance, in fact I was the first customer to slide a tip in to her G-string. No girls were even remotely up to her standard tonight.

Yet this bar definitely has talent. There's a big screen above the stage showing photos of girls and there are some stunners for sure. There were four lovely girls outside too, just sadly not much talent on stage.

When you walk along soi LK Metro you always see an enthusiastic collection of Hello, girls outside each bar, trying to cajole you inside. Consistently the prettiest lineup seems to be outside Dolls LK, next to Jibby's. I walked inside the tiny bar which had two small square stages, only big enough for two girls dancing at a time. But while the venue underwhelmed me, the quality of girls certainly did not. There were 10 girls and the quality was good. A girl with a radiant smile was chatting with a farang opposite, while a dark-skinned beauty with no tits at all slow-danced around a chrome pole. There were two cuties with shorter hair dancing on the other stage too.

I spotted a sexy girl with a curvy body and invited her over for a chat. She had a distinctive face and looked dynamite in the skimpy outfit she was wearing. She had big tits and her fishnet stockings showed off her skinny legs. She was very affectionate, holding my hand as we exchanged smalltalk, but while she looked sweet and innocent with bows in her hair, she certainly wasn't, rubbing my cock suggestively with a glint in her eye. My cock voted yes, it was rock hard for the entire duration of our conversation.

The barfine here is 1540 baht. That's right, 40 baht added for good measure!

But it doesn't stop there. The mamasan added that girls can only leave for short-time if they've been bought three lady-drinks. I presume this is not the case and it was just a greedy mamasan trying to squeeze a few extra baht, but I'd already bought the girl two drinks so wearily agreed to a third. If the mamasan was speaking the truth, then the barfine here is not 1540 baht, it's essentially 2170 baht.

The pretty girl went to get changed and reappeared five minutes later wearing ubiquitous denim shorts and a breezy floral top. She looked sexy. We walked the short distance back to my hotel hand in hand and had a really good session with lots of positions, culminating in a very pleasurable 69. She groaned loudly each time I stuck my tongue as far up her pussy as I could. She had a fabulous body, fuller boobs and was a very enthusiastic kisser. A great girl.

I have only two days remaining on this trip. Tomorrow I have another ThaiFriendly girl coming around after breakfast and then hopefully I can barfine a pretty girl from one of the bars later. I'm also keen to have one last visit to soi 6 before I fly home on Thursday.

So when a particular memeber say he gets his girls from GCs this is what I imagine. LOL.

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You Have to Scroll down a bit. All in Blueish Toned Sexy Outfits.

Educational Purposes Only. This is what 2 k LONGTIME girls look like.

Or we can take it down a notch. Also what 1 k girls short time look like.

[QUOTE=FortyDrinks;2905431]Just keeping it Real Sir.

Again for the 40th time there are very fiW pretty girls on Soi 6.[/QUOTE]By saying there are very few pretty girls on soi 6 you are in fact admitting there are some pretty girls.

Glad we see eye to eye, I'm always keen to get your approval.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2905436]The barfine here is 1540 baht. That's right, 40 baht added for good measure!

But it doesn't stop there. The mamasan added that girls can only leave for short-time if they've been bought three lady-drinks. I presume this is not the case and it was just a greedy mamasan trying to squeeze a few extra baht, but I'd already bought the girl two drinks so wearily agreed to a third. If the mamasan was speaking the truth, then the barfine here is not 1540 baht, it's essentially 2170 baht.
[/QUOTE]It's a Thai gogo bar scam. Mamasan figures you can afford another lady drink or are desperate so mama or the girl tells you that there's a drink quota the girl needs to meet. This happens a lot to guys who don't know better at Walking Street gogo bars. Why we have that popular poster named "Forty Drinks". This is the first I've heard this at a LK Metro gogo bar though.

What you should have did in that situation was walk. Tell the girl to find a lady drink from another customer while you wait at another gogo bar. Ask her to Line you once she has that drink and you will come back if you haven't found another girl by then. Believe me 9 times out of 10 that girl will pay her half of the lady drink if it's really a rule or mamasan will say ok you can BF her now. They know you don't live there. If you live in Pattaya they would never pull that stunt on you.

The extra 40 baht randomly added to the BF is a new one. Wish you had questioned it just to hear what mama said it was for.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2904483]Ice water runs through my veins. Not quite God's gift to women, but damn close. I consider myself doing charity every time I pay these girls for sex. Honestly, I think I am a "good catch" when it comes to girls. So my approach on TF has always been straight to the point. See pic. I do the same at bars / GoGo bars / or at a club. I don't need to get to know them with silly question or small talk. I just want to bang. And my logic is "better me than the next guy. " Take my dinero. I may even ask for a handsome man discount.[/QUOTE]Hi, I read a lot about contacting the girl's Line ID; I'm a resident for a few months in Jomtien; can someone post me a Line ID, please? Cheers.

[QUOTE=Tradewinds;2905510]Hi, I read a lot about contacting the girl's Line ID; I'm a resident for a few months in Jomtien; can someone post me a Line ID, please? Cheers.[/QUOTE]Line is basically the Thai version of WhatsApp. Just download the App on your phone before you go and quickly set up a profile. All Thai girls have got it. If you meet a girl you like, get her Line.

[QUOTE=Rexy1234;2905059] What I don't get is that Sir Lancelot posts nice long detailed reports on what his day and night is like and some "members" can't resisit having a dig, a "query", a snide remark etc. But well done to Sir Lancelot (wonderful, ridiculous member name) and lighten up all the guys who enjoy being members of the commentariat. [/QUOTE]All sir Lancelot's posting are very long and yet there are never any specifics like name of bars or massage parlors. No useful information that anyone can use whether a newbie or a vet. I know if I was that busy and having that much fun I could not find the time to post so much nor would I want to. It is all purely literotica. All that endless posting and no info what so ever.

"She kissed me. I kissed her back. I was so horny both heads were going to explode. I quickly swept her off her feet and onto the nearest moto-chariot to my castle". Garbage!

My turn. I have spent the last 9 days on SOI 6. Not sure when the bars open but anything before 5:00 pm is too hot for me to care. So before 6:30 there are few girls out in the streets and few customers walking down the street. The girls are in the bars and usually sitting down so it is hard to see all the girls available. But once they come out into the street the best ones quickly get grabbed and taken into the back of the bar for drinks, taken upstairs for sex, or taken to the guys place so you may never see them. If you always visit SOI 6 after 10:00 pm you may never see any of the really pretty girls. Now come rainy season I would assume around 3:00-5:00 pm may be the best time because if it is rainy the girls will not be out in the streets as much.

See how my post is informational? Useful for newbies and vets who never thought of coming early thinking the party never starts that early.

Time to clear up some more misinformation Propaganda.

I'm parroting from another Forum on Pattaya. Seem info there more Believable. LOL.

XS. Say 200 girls working. Someone say Labor bill must be Humumgous. Another said no way san jose.

Those contracts are only paid if girl brings in Money. Kind of what I thought.

EZ example. Girl brings in No Money she doesn't get one baht from XS.

Majority girls are not Making it guys.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2905535]All sir Lancelot's posting are very long and yet there are never any specifics like name of bars or massage parlors. No useful information that anyone can use whether a newbie or a vet. I know if I was that busy and having that much fun I could not find the time to post so much nor would I want to. It is all purely literotica. All that endless posting and no info what so ever.

"She kissed me. I kissed her back. I was so horny both heads were going to explode. I quickly swept her off her feet and onto the nearest moto-chariot to my castle". Garbage!

My turn. I have spent the last 9 days on SOI 6. Not sure when the bars open but anything before 5:00 pm is too hot for me to care. So before 6:30 there are few girls out in the streets and few customers walking down the street. The girls are in the bars and usually sitting down so it is hard to see all the girls available. But once they come out into the street the best ones quickly get grabbed and taken into the back of the bar for drinks, taken upstairs for sex, or taken to the guys place so you may never see them. If you always visit SOI 6 after 10:00 pm you may never see any of the really pretty girls. Now come rainy season I would assume around 3:00-5:00 pm may be the best time because if it is rainy the girls will not be out in the streets as much.

See how my post is informational? Useful for newbies and vets who never thought of coming early thinking the party never starts that early.[/QUOTE]You make some good points. Lancelot's comments are basically long form version's of Explorer's LOL.

Having said that, I enjoy reading their comments even though they're not useful.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2905509]It's a Thai gogo bar scam. Mamasan figures you can afford another lady drink or are desperate so mama or the girl tells you that there's a drink quota the girl needs to meet. This happens a lot to guys who don't know better at Walking Street gogo bars. Why we have that popular poster named "Forty Drinks". This is the first I've heard this at a LK Metro gogo bar though.

What you should have did in that situation was walk. Tell the girl to find a lady drink from another customer while you wait at another gogo bar. Ask her to Line you once she has that drink and you will come back if you haven't found another girl by then. Believe me 9 times out of 10 that girl will pay her half of the lady drink if it's really a rule or mamasan will say ok you can BF her now. They know you don't live there. If you live in Pattaya they would never pull that stunt on you.

The extra 40 baht randomly added to the BF is a new one. Wish you had questioned it just to hear what mama said it was for.[/QUOTE]This started happening around a year ago to my experience! Not just Thai Bars, HR on Soi Pot Hole, many of the girls who started when it opened have moved on, Mamasan and Papasan only the hard-core girls who would do anything are left. Today you see a sign outside campaigning for girls. When they first opened, they had a room top floor 500 baht ST. 1500-2000 baht for girl. As time went on things started to change whenever I visited drank outside with girls I had known for some time. Many getting older from their young days at a top gogo, and these changes have them very worried.

They are on drink contracts and fee off each other many of their customers don't BF ST, but like LT which the girls don't like to do beyond 6 am. The place is set as a drink magnet I have had girls tell me that moved on back to GoGo, they or their BF don't like them working there the majority of the time they come home drunk. Funny they rather have their babes being fucked than drunk LOL.

I was there last last Oct-Nov before many girls left. Then they no longer had ST, rooms 3rd Floor, there was one across the Soi for 500 baht. Now the girls wanted 2500ST, catch BF was 1000 baht but you had to buy 5 drinks for the girl to have the privilege. Even my cousin who has plenty of money to lose did the math 1000 BF, 200 a drink for girl x 5 = 1000 total 2000 baht BF add that with 500 baht room, another 2500 to girl. Come on!

As I noted back In family in town we hit lots of GoGo WS, LK, all the same pressure for drinks and more drinks, my go-to place Bacarra just out of control from the two mamasans I had known for years with their hands constantly out one even came up started rubbing her throat and telling me she was hungry. I haven't visited since nor do I plan to girls I know need money I meet them on the side.

Saturday night was at a new GoGo bar called Opium on WS. Very nice interior and exterior. But that's about it. I know it's probably been open for a bit now, but it's still new to me. Hell even Showgirls in LK would be new to me, because I've never been. See how that works? Anyways, chatted with a hostess that I previously knew when she was a coyote at Imagine Club ages ago. I really wasn't interested in banging her again, but for the drink I bought her, she was cool enough to refer me to one of her "under the radar" friends who had a civilian job and needed some extra cash.

Knowing that I am quite picky, she showed her friend's pics on LINE and I liked them and agreed. The girl was only 23. Then she forwarded me her LINE profile. I guess I have that innocent trustable look because I get passed around a shit load by these girls to their friends (this was not the first time this happened). The girls perceive me as a guy who wouldn't hurt a fly, though today I did drown a spider in the shower.

I contacted her the next day and initially offered her 1300 with 100 bump for taxi to meet me in my room at Pattaya Central. She wanted to see my pic. Maybe she wanted to see who was going to be ramming her for 30 minutes or so. And when I sent some, she dropped the price to 1200 and asked me to come to her room. I gladly did because it on was the 10 baht bus line. Yay! Anyways, did not disappoint.

The civi session was unlike a bar girl session at all. Also hardly like a Thermae or FF session. Lots of chit chat. And even cooked me some Mama ramen with shrimp after we had sex. I think I stayed at least 1:45 hours. What a bargain. I made a promise to see her 4 more times. A whopping 6000 baht she is making off me total for 5 sessions. Once again, I think guys who stay here most of the year, this is nothing new. We like being looked as if we are ATMS with no attachments when the right girls come along so easily.

On the way back, I walked to burn some calories. Saw a cute tiny pretty white thing across from the Pizza place next to McDs on Beach Road. Started inching closer to get a look and then saw no boobs. Looked at her friend who was next to her and she look like a LB. Did a 360 before they both noticed that I almost seemed interested. Close call, hurried my ass out of there for some 10 baht chicken strips. Next step, need to get these Thais to learn to make that Cane's sauce.

BTW Panda and her tig ole biddies back at Palace. Plus there is a copy cat of Cat Ears now.

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The plan this afternoon was to have another ThaiFriendly meet. I'd chatted yesterday with a pretty 20 year old with pigtails and we'd agreed for her to come to my hotel at 2 pm. I sent her a confirmation message at breakfast but she didn't reply. 2 pm came and went without any contact so I turned my attention elsewhere, exchanging messages with several other candidates. A few girls tempted me but suddenly I had a dawning realisation, why spend 1500 on what is essentially a blind date, when you can window shop on soi 6 for a similar amount?

I was just about to step out of my hotel at 4 pm when my Line pinged. It was the ThaiFriendly girl apologising profusely. She claimed that she'd fallen asleep.

I took the baht bus up 2nd Road and stepped on to soi 6 at 4. 20 pm. It was a hot afternoon and lots of the girls on the right hand side of the street (where generally the prettier girls can be seen) were sheltering inside their bars. I saw two girls I'd fucked a few weeks earlier. I gave them a wave but kept walking as I wanted to find my 40th girl of the trip.

I reached one of the popular bars towards the Beach Road end of the street and went inside for a drink. It's amusing that LoveItHere criticised my reports yesterday for having no useful information as I never name the bars, because I used to do exactly that until the class clown ElMexican't started trying to post photos of the girls I fucked. As a result I'm having to redact a lot of information because of one man's trolling.

But what I will say is that it's a bar I fucked a gorgeous girl at earlier in the trip. She was there today too, stood on the street in front of the bar trying to cajole customers inside. She looked great. Tall and slim, dark skin with a beautiful face. I had to pinch myself to think I'd fucked this same girl only a few weeks earlier.

But I had my eyes set on another girl, sat on a stool opposite, vaping away. She was small and skinny and very cute indeed. I bought her a drink and she was exactly the type I go for. Her English was limited but her friend sat opposite told me she was 18 and it was her second day. She had a funny sense of humour and enjoyed showing off her eyebrow gymnastics.

The room was 400 and although the girl asked for 2000 baht, she accepted 1500. Young pretty girls will aim for 1500 or 2000 these days on soi 6.

She led me upstairs. The rooms are always dark and shabby with cartoon characters on the bedding. I showered first and then lay on the bed expectantly as she had her turn. When she was drying herself off she was very small with tiny, almost non-existant tits.

However, despite only being 18 she surprised me with a very assertive and enthusiastic performance.

For a start, she crawled on top of me and kissed me passionately, sticking her tongue down my throat while rubbing her bald pussy against my dick. Then without prompting she crawled down and gave me a really good blowjob that belied her tender years. I slipped a condom on and fucked her gently but I misread her somewhat as when she was on top she really went for it, riding me for all she was worth. I sat up on the edge of the bed and she thrust her hips in to mine, groaning frantically, showering me with kisses, until she came.

Sorry to talk about sex on a sex forum. I know it upsets some prudes.

The down side of pursuing young and innocent types is that sometimes the girls can be timid but this girl was a tiger. She gave a 10/10 performance and was one of the best girls of the trip.

After devouring a tasty plate of spaghetti bolognese at Dre restaurant on soi Lengkee, I spent a few hours relaxing in my room. I considered arranging a ThaiFriendly meet but got itchy feet and decided to go for a walk around the bars instead.

It's my penultimate day of the trip so inevitably I started to see pretty girls pop up at bars that had previously failed to deliver. There was a nice looker outside what had previously been the erroneously named Pretty Bar on Tree Town and a sexy girl at 89 Bar, next to Piss Stop.

Generally Myth Night has disappointed me on this trip. Although it's great to see a new complex like this opening, a lot of the bars are still quiet and most of the girls are older. You see lots of chicks it's hard to believe ever get a customer. However if you're patient there are a small number of decent lookers and I ended up buying a lady-drink for a skinny girl who was a lot of fun.

After ten minutes she started a video call and introduced me to her Mum and Dad! It was awkward as I didn't know what to say. 'Your daughter is very sexy, I look forward to fucking her' seemed somehow inappropriate to my potential future in-laws. Although it was awkward, it was flattering that the girl felt comfortable enough to introduce me to her loved ones.

I decided to pay the barfine but when I asked her how much for her, she said 'up to you'. After jokingly settling on a price of 100 baht (which I'm sure the village elders here on this page will still claim is too much) we took the baht bus along soi Buakhao and walked back to my hotel from the top of soi Lengkee.

The sex was a slow-burner. At first I thought she was going to pass out as she'd clearly had a lot to drink. Eventually she remembered what she was in my room for and began poking my dick as if to say 'wake up'. It wasn't the sexiest of foreplay but fortunately I didn't need need much encouragement and the sex that followed was very enjoyable.

She was the polar opposite of the soi 6 girl earlier. In the bar she came across as a firecracker, confident and assertive, yet she was shy in the bedroom, riding me in an inexperienced manner. The soi 6 girl on the other hand was only 18 but fucked me like a pornstar. Sometimes appearances can be deceptive.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2905535]All sir Lancelot's posting are very long and yet there are never any specifics like name of bars or massage parlors. No useful information that anyone can use whether a newbie or a vet. I know if I was that busy and having that much fun I could not find the time to post so much nor would I want to. It is all purely literotica. All that endless posting and no info what so ever.[/QUOTE]Yeah it sounds like you lack imagination or inspiration for that matter. Theres plenty of post for newbies and vets to see what places cost and how much are the ladies, as well as the cost for lady drinks and blah blah blah. You see his post are remnants from the Old School ISG (15-20 yrs ago) when monger gents took time out of their day to tell you more then logistics. They told you a story. How they move thru the city, how the girls interacted with you and vise versa. Basically the "intangibles of life" that most members fail to post about anymore. Hes giving you the full flavor of the city. And because of his perspective it gives newbies a greater all around sense of what to expect when they travel there besides the general X / O's of cost etc.

So easy up on the haterade and instead go grab yourself a cup a joe, add a tequila shot to it, ease back on your lazy boy chair, relax and read his adventures as he shares his stories on how he finds his new freak of the week while navigating thru the concrete jungle we call Pattaya.

Cus one thing for sure I rather be online reading his adventures then looking at daily news from me and/or your hometown where constant negativity reigns supreme AND then afterwards go view the constant garbage off of tik tok / onlyfan hoes that filter their face and body so much that you wouldve thought you watched a retarded Grimlock with fake tits twerk in a dress.

I suspect that many readers who were heretofore hesitant about visiting Pattaya are, after reading posts of Sir Lancelot's 2024 visit, now all gung ho for a Pattaya rollick.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2905841]I suspect that many readers who were heretofore hesitant about visiting Pattaya are, after reading posts of Sir Lancelot's 2024 visit, now all gung ho for a Pattaya rollick.[/QUOTE]This is the Problem. Guys will think the Sir is getting Hotties off the street for 1 k-1. 5 k.

So not True.

NRT to Pattaya on Air Asia X yesterday.

What a collection of Hit Girls. Air Attendant s. 5 out of 6 of them would be Top Girl on Walking Street. The 6th would give Soi 6 girls a run for their Money. Maybe she was MamaSan on the Plane.

Had to be discreet in Oogling them. LOL.

Not sure if they could control Rowdy Customer s though or Blast open a Door in aan Emergency.

But my god they were Hot.

Kicker. I swear I paid $218. Might have been my best airfare Ever.

I pulled the trigger on my trip last week, looking at November 7th - 21st. Unfortunately I couldn't find a travel buddy LOL. This will be my first time, I know a few people that have been and they all say to be super careful, but they've only been to Bangkok. I got a guest friendly hotel 100 m from walking street across from the beach. I plan to do most of my hunting there on WS or on TF. I've been to some pretty sketchy places like Tijuana and Panama City solo and never felt unsafe, I'll see about pattaya LOL. Anything to be aware of or keep an eye out for? Any other mongers going to be around in that time frame?

[QUOTE=TwatHunter;2905866]I pulled the trigger on my trip last week, looking at November 7th - 21st. Unfortunately I couldn't find a travel buddy LOL. This will be my first time, I know a few people that have been and they all say to be super careful, but they've only been to Bangkok. I got a guest friendly hotel 100 m from walking street across from the beach. I plan to do most of my hunting there on WS or on TF. I've been to some pretty sketchy places like Tijuana and Panama City solo and never felt unsafe, I'll see about pattaya LOL. Anything to be aware of or keep an eye out for? Any other mongers going to be around in that time frame?[/QUOTE]Been many times solo. I am 5 foot 7 and 70 Kg.

I wander around half pissed all hours of the night up back alleys and down Soi 6/1 .

Never been the slightest bit worried about anyone. Especially me.

Make sure you get down to Soi Honey.

Soi 6.

Have a good walk along Beach Road.

Do a GC tour.

I was only going to go once but. As long as your breathing you will want to be in Thailand.

Have fun.

[QUOTE=Tlito;2905872]Been many times solo. I am 5 foot 7 and 70 Kg.

I wander around half pissed all hours of the night up back alleys and down Soi 6/1 .

Never been the slightest bit worried about anyone. Especially me.

Make sure you get down to Soi Honey.

Soi 6.

Have a good walk along Beach Road.

Do a GC tour.

I was only going to go once but. As long as your breathing you will want to be in Thailand.

Have fun.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, Tlito. Just from watching the videos of these areas I can tell a lot of people go solo. I'm not familiar with the GC tour? I'm sure I'll grow tired of walking street within a few days and I'm likely to move to different areas as I grow more comfortable. This has been on the bucket list for a while but the flight is so damn long from the US. Figure I'm not getting any younger (early 40's) if I enjoy it, and I know I will, I'll probably be back every year for the foreseeable future LOL.

[QUOTE=TwatHunter;2905866]I pulled the trigger on my trip last week, looking at November 7th - 21st. Unfortunately I couldn't find a travel buddy LOL. This will be my first time, I know a few people that have been and they all say to be super careful, but they've only been to Bangkok. I got a guest friendly hotel 100 m from walking street across from the beach. I plan to do most of my hunting there on WS or on TF. I've been to some pretty sketchy places like Tijuana and Panama City solo and never felt unsafe, I'll see about pattaya LOL. Anything to be aware of or keep an eye out for? Any other mongers going to be around in that time frame?[/QUOTE]Thailand is just about the safest country in the world. Except Soi 6/1 in Pattaya, have to watch your back there.

Sir Lancelot's posts are super. But posts about other posters are worthless. Please post about the ladies, not other men.

Speaking of ladies, I exported a Pattaya bargirl to Phuket and am enjoying her company. She has lots of stories about stupid mongers throwing money at her.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2905535]All sir Lancelot's posting are very long and yet there are never any specifics like name of bars or massage parlors. No useful information that anyone can use whether a newbie or a vet. I know if I was that busy and having that much fun I could not find the time to post so much nor would I want to. It is all purely literotica. All that endless posting and no info what so ever.

"She kissed me. I kissed her back. I was so horny both heads were going to explode. I quickly swept her off her feet and onto the nearest moto-chariot to my castle". Garbage!

My turn. I have spent the last 9 days on SOI 6. Not sure when the bars open but anything before 5:00 pm is too hot for me to care. So before 6:30 there are few girls out in the streets and few customers walking down the street. The girls are in the bars and usually sitting down so it is hard to see all the girls available. But once they come out into the street the best ones quickly get grabbed and taken into the back of the bar for drinks, taken upstairs for sex, or taken to the guys place so you may never see them. If you always visit SOI 6 after 10:00 pm you may never see any of the really pretty girls. Now come rainy season I would assume around 3:00-5:00 pm may be the best time because if it is rainy the girls will not be out in the streets as much.

See how my post is informational? Useful for newbies and vets who never thought of coming early thinking the party never starts that early.[/QUOTE]I'm. Thinking I may be interested in visiting Pattaya bro. Would you say it is as good as Medellin? Is 1000 to 1500 baht the going rate? What about condoms? Are they required or just optional? Or just up to you if you want to use one?

[QUOTE=TwatHunter;2905878]Thanks, Tlito. Just from watching the videos of these areas I can tell a lot of people go solo. I'm not familiar with the GC tour? I'm sure I'll grow tired of walking street within a few days and I'm likely to move to different areas as I grow more comfortable. This has been on the bucket list for a while but the flight is so damn long from the US. Figure I'm not getting any younger (early 40's) if I enjoy it, and I know I will, I'll probably be back every year for the foreseeable future LOL.[/QUOTE]Hi Mate.

I see there is a Bar Crawl every Thursday leaving Maggie Mays (my favourite by the way) from 1 pm. Just go on Google and put in gents clubs Pattaya. Have a read.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=TwatHunter;2905866]I pulled the trigger on my trip last week, looking at November 7th - 21st. Unfortunately I couldn't find a travel buddy LOL. This will be my first time, I know a few people that have been and they all say to be super careful, but they've only been to Bangkok. I got a guest friendly hotel 100 m from walking street across from the beach. I plan to do most of my hunting there on WS or on TF. I've been to some pretty sketchy places like Tijuana and Panama City solo and never felt unsafe, I'll see about pattaya LOL. Anything to be aware of or keep an eye out for? Any other mongers going to be around in that time frame?[/QUOTE]Be careful applies to Bars. Not unusual for Hooligans to get Beaten over who knows what.

If you are Chill safety shouldn't even be an Issue. If you are in a desolate area and see 3 teens coming your way you most likely won't be Robbed or Beaten.

On the other Hand be careful walking, Thailand is not Walker friendly.

[QUOTE=TwatHunter;2905866]I pulled the trigger on my trip last week, looking at November 7th - 21st. Unfortunately I couldn't find a travel buddy LOL. This will be my first time, I know a few people that have been and they all say to be super careful, but they've only been to Bangkok. I got a guest friendly hotel 100 m from walking street across from the beach. I plan to do most of my hunting there on WS or on TF. I've been to some pretty sketchy places like Tijuana and Panama City solo and never felt unsafe, I'll see about pattaya LOL. Anything to be aware of or keep an eye out for? Any other mongers going to be around in that time frame?[/QUOTE]Pattaya is probably the safest red light area in the world. I've never been to Tijuana but I'm sure it's far more dangerous than Pattaya.

[QUOTE=CoolieHigh;2905696]Yeah it sounds like you lack imagination or inspiration for that matter. Theres plenty of post for newbies and vets to see what places cost and how much are the ladies, as well as the cost for lady drinks and blah blah blah. You see his post are remnants from the Old School ISG (15-20 yrs ago) when monger gents took time out of their day to tell you more then logistics. They told you a story. How they move thru the city, how the girls interacted with you and vise versa. Basically the "intangibles of life" that most members fail to post about anymore. Hes giving you the full flavor of the city. And because of his perspective it gives newbies a greater all around sense of what to expect when they travel there besides the general X / O's of cost etc.

So easy up on the haterade and instead go grab yourself a cup a joe, add a tequila shot to it, ease back on your lazy boy chair, relax and read his adventures as he shares his stories on how he finds his new freak of the week while navigating thru the concrete jungle we call Pattaya.

Cus one thing for sure I rather be online reading his adventures then looking at daily news from me and/or your hometown where constant negativity reigns supreme AND then afterwards go view the constant garbage off of tik tok / onlyfan hoes that filter their face and body so much that you wouldve thought you watched a retarded Grimlock with fake tits twerk in a dress.[/QUOTE]Everyone already knows about WS, Soi 6, GCs, Massage places etc. Most posts on this board arent worth the electrons they consume. Detailed reads like Sir L's are enjoyable and interesting. However, these kinds of "old school" reports are now frowned upon by ISG moderators. I have posted many such detailed reports in Phiilippines, Thailand, Indonesia etc but the last time I did I got trolled. When I called out the trolls, moderators took down my posts and put me on moderation. Guess who is never sharing detailed trip reports on ISG anymore? I guess we should all just post about bars everyone knows about over and over again so "newbies" don't have to scroll back a few pages. I know many seasoned mongers who I meet up with have given up totally on sharing on this board. The quality of postings (much like the girls) has sadly deteriorated dramatically.

[QUOTE=FortyDrinks;2905852]This is the Problem. Guys will think the Sir is getting Hotties off the street for 1 k-1. 5 k.

So not True.[/QUOTE]Every word of my diary, good or bad, is true. On this trip I've written about having a chest infection, falling victim to a Tinder bait and switch, the soi 7 girl who didn't want to have sex, being quoted high prices at times, being stood up by a ThaiFriendly chick. I bet you're perfectly happy to accept all of those things happened as described. Yet when I talk about my positive experiences, which far outweigh the negative ones, you call foul.

It doesn't exactly reflect well on the kind of time you yourself must have if you assume anyone who fucks pretty girls must be lying!

Ps when did I say I got a 'hottie off the street for 1K'? I didn't. You're so desperate to criticise you'll even make things up, which is ironic really.

[QUOTE=Tlito;2905890]I see there is a Bar Crawl every Thursday leaving Maggie Mays (my favourite by the way) from 1 pm. Just go on Google and put in gents clubs Pattaya[/QUOTE]Checked it out. Why are they only going to the same "GC" clubs and not going to the best ones? Just what I want 20 guys with me as I enter a GC. Most of them don't even have 20 girls working. Would rather go when I'm alone instead of fighting over the hottest girl with 19 other guys. Maybe only me but I endure bars for the girls, not to hang around with other guys.

Do any of the "GC" on the crawl list have over 20 girls on a weekday at 1 pm when the crawl starts?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2905938]Checked it out. Why are they only going to the same "GC" clubs and not going to the best ones? Just what I want 20 guys with me as I enter a GC. Most of them don't even have 20 girls working. Would rather go when I'm alone instead of fighting over the hottest girl with 19 other guys. Maybe only me but I endure bars for the girls, not to hang around with other guys.

Do any of the "GC" on the crawl list have over 20 girls on a weekday at 1 pm when the crawl starts?[/QUOTE]Typically, bars round up as many girls as possible when a bar crawl is scheduled.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2905899]Pattaya is probably the safest red light area in the world. I've never been to Tijuana but I'm sure it's far more dangerous than Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Been to both.

Tijuana is much more dangerous. In fact, the cops in Tijuana are more dangerous than the criminals in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2905885]I'm. Thinking I may be interested in visiting Pattaya bro. Would you say it is as good as Medellin? Is 1000 to 1500 baht the going rate? What about condoms? Are they required or just optional? Or just up to you if you want to use one?[/QUOTE]RTFF.

Are you paying $27 a pop in Medellin? If so, Medellin is better.

Although High Season is slipping away, I am still running into ladies who are booked up, or have to decline other customers to go with me. Its going to be that way until May 1. Then, almost no one will have customers.

Today was my final day of my month-long trip Thailand and Philippines. It would prove to be one of the best.

My flight tomorrow leaves Suvanarbhumi Airport at 9. 05 am, so I booked a taxi for the ungodly hour of 4. 30 am. As a result I'd try to conclude any girlie action early in the evening, to give me chance to pack and have an early night. Did it work out like that? Of course not.

After breakfast I was tempted to arrange a ThaiFriendly date. Problem was, the prettiest girl let me down yesterday and I didn't want any frustrations today. The only other girl that I considered was an older girl with the biggest natural tits I've seen for a long time. But the rest of her was pretty big too and I can get those kinds of chicks in England.

So I headed to soi 6 at 3. 30 pm. It was an easy decision in truth. I love this street and wanted to visit it one last time on this trip.

I made my first recce down the street. 3 Angels, Exotica and Wrath seem to be some of the better bets currently for young and pretty girls, but I chose to go in to Kawaii for a drink to cool down from the seering midafternoon sun. The girls wore nurse outfits and I was tempted to buy one of them a drink to see if she could fix my bad chest. The best looking girl, a small spinner with big blowjob lips, was sat with a customer.

The traffic was gridlocked back out on the street due to a delivery blocking all through traffic. The traffic is a nuisance on this road. You can never fully admire the girls lined up infront of their bars for fear of getting ran over.

A lot of the popular bars at the bottom end of the street, like Avarice, Wrath and Seduction were either yet to open or only just showing signs of life. The small smattering of girls in these bars were eating. Thai girls are like cattle, they graze little but often.

I backtracked up the street and spotted a healthy selection of girls wearing sailor outfits outside one of the bars halfway up the street. I stopped for a closer inspection and saw a familiar face. We locked eyes on each other at the exact same time, had a split second of confusion before finally the penny dropped and we recognised each other. It was an ultra-cute girl I fucked at this very bar 18 months ago. She looked great so I couldn't resist buying her a drink.

She was the same cute, bubbly girl with the same manic laugh but she's blossomed in the time since I saw her last. Back then she was 18 and although very cute, slightly 'pum pui'. Not any more though, she was slim and oozed sex appeal. She seemed pleased to see me and took selfies of us both on her phone. She told me that she resumed working at the bar a few weeks earlier after six months back home in Isaan.

The poky room cost 400 but it was one of the better ones on soi 6 as it had a mirror alongside the bed, something that always makes things more fun. The shower didn't work so I had to use a plastic scoop to pour cold water over myself.

18 months ago this girl was new to the job and very inexperienced, pretty much a starfish with one of the tightest pussies I've ever fucked, but she's now an accomplished pro. She was a passionate kisser and willingly ticked off my ticklist of positions one by one. She had perky tits and big nipples. My favourite position of the trip is sat up at the end of the bed, girl on top grinding in to me. My ex girlfriend told me this was the position guaranteed to make her cum and judging by the groans this girl made, it works on Thai girls too.

A fabulous girl and a great way to say goodbye to soi 6.

I walked along the beach in the afternoon sun and cut through soi 7 and Myth to soi Buakhao. After a tasty dinner at Hungry Hippo, tapping my toes to The Beatles and Ed Sheeran, I relaxed in my room for a couple of hours.

My plan tonight was to visit the gogo bars on soi LK Metro. I'd barfine the first hottie I saw and hopefully have an early night. It proved to be wishful thinking.

Sugar Sugar had ten topless girls on stage, two of whom tempted me. One had the most perfect natural tits that gave me a semi just looking, the other was a slinky mover with a flower in her hair and erect bullet-like nipples. On my last visit to this bar the incessant pressure to buy ladydrinks irritated me, but that seems to be a thing of the past thankfully. I wasn't pressured to buy one ladydrink, which seems to be the case in most soi LK Metro gogo bars and even when I visited Walking Street.

The perfect end to the trip would be for me to walk in to Las Vegas agogo and see the 21 year old Terminal 21 girl I was due to go on a date with two years ago before covid intervened. But she wasn't there again. I watched two dance shifts and there were a couple of standout girls. One was pale-skinned with jewels around her eyes and fake tits, a guaranteed wild-time I thought, the other was a beautiful girl with a perfect body. She was a sexy, confident mover too so probably a carnal creature in the bedroom. I was about to offer her a drink when her dance shift left the stage and she vanished in to thin air.

I tried Destiny again and it had eight older girls. A few were nice enough but not at gogo prices. Catch Me only had five girls dancing and I was the only customer. The best looker by far was one of the waitresses, who was sat on a step on the other side of the bar, waiting for customers. She was probably about 20 and had a really lovely face. She saw me looking and smiled. Are bar-staff barfinable in these places? I presume so.

Again LK Metro has disappointed me. I came with a pocket full of cash and a mission to barfine early, but four bars down the line and I was still none the wiser who my last girl of the trip would be.

I decided to go for a walk around Tree Town but the girl I like at Buddy Bar, who messaged me on Line earlier in the afternoon, was conspicuous by her absence. I saw the cute girl I like at Ass 95 but when I asked about her barfine, her first reaction was to look at her watch. She'd been a clockwatcher the first time I fucked her so it wasn't a good sign. 'Drink?' she asked, hustling me, but I decided to move on.

It was 10 pm and time was marching on with a 4 am alarm call tomorrow morning fast approaching. I decided to head back to soi LK Metro and barfine the first likely candidate.

One of the gogo bars on this street (name redacted due to ElMexicant's mission to try to post photographs of girls I've fucked) has delivered me a few lovely girls in the past but things didn't look very promising when I entered, with only five average older girls on stage. One of them looked mid-thirties with big fake tits.

But it's often wise to wait for the second shift in gogo bars. A beautiful girl stepped up on stage that looked about ten years younger than the rest of the girls. She had a perfect body and when she saw me looking flashed me a radiant smile. She was good fun too. She clearly loved to dance so I got her to do my trademark towel dance on stage. I think when girls are prepared to be silly they're far more likely to deliver in the bedroom. I thought she looked Vietnamese but when I invited her down for a drink she told me she was from Laos. She was 24 and a fabulous looking girl.

On the down side she asked for a tequila rose. A scam you sometimes get in gogo bars is the girl will order a shot and neck it straight away, then a member of bar staff will magically appear asking if you want to buy another. 'Maybe later' I always reply.

Although there was a language barrier, she was a lovely girl, smiling almost constantly, so I enquired about prices. She looked confused and called the mamasan over who told me the barfine was 1500 baht and the girl charged 3000 for short-time. Not cheap. I hit back with my usual '2000 plus tip' but the girl looked uncertain. The mamasan had just told her the price was 3000 for short-time and she seemed too inexperienced to realise it was nothing to do with the mamasan what she charged. It was late and I didn't want to miss this girl so bit the bullet and agreed. I needed a gorgeous girl to finish this trip in style and this girl ticked all the boxes.

Back in my room we were chatting on my bed when the girl video-called her sister and introduced me without warning. I had to laugh. Last night the Myth girl put me on a video call with both her parents and tonight it was the girl's sister! It's an awkward conversation chatting to family members of a girl you're about to fuck. Despite this I looked at the pretty girl's face and she seemed genuinely happy. I got the impression she was showing me off. The conversation went on for ages. I had hoped to have her out of my room by 11 pm, but here we were approaching midnight and the conversation with her sister was in full flow. I shrugged it off. I'd be able to sleep on the plane.

After the phone call had finished we both showered and then chatted via Google Translate. She told me I was her first customer, not the first time I've heard that on this trip. But then she typed another message which seemed to reinforce her statement.

'I'm shy. Don't know what to do'.

We kissed and she very quickly warmed to her task, caressing my dick. Before long we were fucking. She was a passionate performer but very shy, pulling a pillow over her face when she saw me admiring her beauty. She had nothing to be shy about of course, she looked beautiful with her luscious hair spread across the pillow. She had a fabulous body and was a sight to behold as she rode me.

Afterwards she curled up to me and showed me photos on her phone of her dancing at events wearing colourful feathery costumes. She was extremely photogenic. Then she typed another message in to Google.

'How long is short time? ' she asked.

Haha, I loved this girl. She was learning on the job and I was her mentor.

I told her one to two hours, explaining that if you get a customer you don't like, like ElMexicant, FortyDrinks or LoveItHere for example, you can leave straight after you've had sex, but if you get someone you like you can stay for two hours. She wasn't the best student as she stayed well over two hours. I had to start packing to give her the hint it was time to leave.

What a lovely girl to end my trip.

It's been a great trip overall. I spent 19 days in Pattaya, as well as 10 in Manila and Angeles and fucked 43 girls in total. The quality of girls was excellent, the large majority of whom were under 23 years old. I fucked girls from gogo bars, beer bars, soi 6, massage-with-extras, a Gents club, as well as freelancers from Tinder, ThaiFriendly and even from the street. It's one of the reasons I enjoy Pattaya, there are so many different ways to meet girls.

Pattaya is a great place. Sometimes I read all of the negativity on this forum and it's so far divorced from reality I think I'm reading about Palestine. The place is a candy store, stocked full of eager girls willing to spread their legs for cash. Ignore the tedious naysayers and perpetual moaners who sadly dominate this page, they just hate seeing outsiders having a fucking awesome time on their patch. My advice to anyone considering a trip to Pattaya, get a ticket booked as soon as you can.

The End

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2905885]I'm. Thinking I may be interested in visiting Pattaya bro. Would you say it is as good as Medellin? Is 1000 to 1500 baht the going rate? What about condoms? Are they required or just optional? Or just up to you if you want to use one?[/QUOTE]This is why I go on about pricing and reports reports. This gentleman is Salivating over Hot Girls for 1.5 k and below.

Can someone else tell him what to expect reasonably.

P.S. He could be an Outlier and be one of those who is into DEI.

All girls are hot and should be paid 1.25 k. LOL. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2905935]Every word of my diary, good or bad, is true. On this trip I've written about having a chest infection, falling victim to a Tinder bait and switch, the soi 7 girl who didn't want to have sex, being quoted high prices at times, being stood up by a ThaiFriendly chick. I bet you're perfectly happy to accept all of those things happened as described. Yet when I talk about my positive experiences, which far outweigh the negative ones, you call foul.

It doesn't exactly reflect well on the kind of time you yourself must have if you assume anyone who fucks pretty girls must be lying!

Ps when did I say I got a 'hottie off the street for 1K'? I didn't. You're so desperate to criticise you'll even make things up, which is ironic really.[/QUOTE]Just wanted to say thanks for all the time you spent keeping us envious of your prowess in Pattaya.

I enjoyed each report.

Thanks.

Went as a solo traveler last month, from America -5 days at hard rock hotel. Never felt unsafe, Even as my scooter taxi was weaving in and out of traffic / back alleys during a traffic jam. Scariest part was mushroom -trip walked to walking street-horrified by some of the freelancer on beach road. But s0 I 6 is a quick walk from hard rock, no problem by passing front desk to take girls upstairs- going back home felt like being woke from a really awesome dream-5 days not enough. Going back for Halloween, 8 days or so. Made some rookie mistakes my first trip. I was so stoked and no boom boom so I gave a girl 8000 the first night. She was hitting me up the whole time, thinking I was always willing to pay that much but she was 19 with big natural knockers -Avarice bar. Lesson learned but still had so much fun. Unfortunately my first choice girl at Roxy bar was home for the week but hopefully next time.

[QUOTE=TwatHunter;2905866]I pulled the trigger on my trip last week, looking at November 7th - 21st. Unfortunately I couldn't find a travel buddy LOL. This will be my first time, I know a few people that have been and they all say to be super careful, but they've only been to Bangkok. <snip> I've been to some pretty sketchy places like Tijuana and Panama City solo and never felt unsafe, I'll see about pattaya LOL. Anything to be aware of or keep an eye out for?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Explorer8939;2905880]Thailand is just about the safest country in the world.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=SoberHans69;2905899]Pattaya is probably the safest red light area in the world. I've never been to Tijuana but I'm sure it's far more dangerous than Pattaya.[/QUOTE]TwatHunter, there are 2 main kinds of mongering destinations. One is where it is almost impossible to encounter personal violent crime like muggings or worse, and two, where getting mugged is a possibility if you are not careful or are not aware of your surroundings at all times.

Thailand is in the 1st category. It is 99.99% safe, 100% of the time, so you can walk around Sukhumvit and it's many soi side streets in BKK or from the beginning of Walking Street to the end of Beach Road near the Holiday Inn or all up and down Soi Buakhao in Pattaya at any time in safety. I don't know anywhere else except Singapore & Macau which is safer than LOS.

No, your main risks as a punter in Thailand is overpaying, and or barfining the wrong girl and having a shitty session. As a newbie start out with the most highly ISG recommended Go Go's and oily massage parlors (include the high end soapies in BKK) and as you get used to things and more comfortable with the local scene, feel free to wander around more. There are a lot of interesting small bars and massage parlors all over the place. Keep your money and valuables locked up when you have a girl visiting you. This is not a problem with most girls, but why offer the temptation? Don't over booze it. Interview / audition all your potential bar girls. If in doubt, if the girl is not convincing or friendly enough, punt and find a different girl in another bar. That is the beauty of Thailand.

As it is, Thailand is no longer my favorite mongering destination although I still miss the place. My current favorite destination post-Covid happens to be situated in a 2nd category city destination meaning bad violent things can happen to you if you do dumb, stupid things. I have never been in a threatening situation in my new favorite watering hole, but that is because I keep my eyes open at all times and I know that certain neighborhoods are dangerous at night and are therefore no walking areas at night. But you won't have to be concerned about any of this sort of shit in Thailand. The Buddha rules here!

[QUOTE=TwatHunter;2905866]I pulled the trigger on my trip last week, looking at November 7th - 21st. Unfortunately I couldn't find a travel buddy LOL. This will be my first time, I know a few people that have been and they all say to be super careful, but they've only been to Bangkok. I got a guest friendly hotel 100 m from walking street across from the beach. I plan to do most of my hunting there on WS or on TF. I've been to some pretty sketchy places like Tijuana and Panama City solo and never felt unsafe, I'll see about pattaya LOL. Anything to be aware of or keep an eye out for? Any other mongers going to be around in that time frame?[/QUOTE]If there is any danger in Thailand, it's when Western Tourists, always male, decide due to some slight to have a go at the small Thai dude they think has disrespected them. That little Thai dude, and all his buddies, even complete Thai strangers, will join forces to absolutely kick the stupid farang's ass. Doesn't even matter if he is in the right. Raise a fist to a Thai and expect to get beat down.

[QUOTE=AlgoCreeper4;2906006]Went as a solo traveler last month, from America -5 days at hard rock hotel. Never felt unsafe, Even as my scooter taxi was weaving in and out of traffic / back alleys during a traffic jam. Scariest part was mushroom -trip walked to walking street-horrified by some of the freelancer on beach road. But s0 I 6 is a quick walk from hard rock, no problem by passing front desk to take girls upstairs- going back home felt like being woke from a really awesome dream-5 days not enough. Going back for Halloween, 8 days or so. Made some rookie mistakes my first trip. I was so stoked and no boom boom so I gave a girl 8000 the first night. She was hitting me up the whole time, thinking I was always willing to pay that much but she was 19 with big natural knockers -Avarice bar. Lesson learned but still had so much fun. Unfortunately my first choice girl at Roxy bar was home for the week but hopefully next time.[/QUOTE]Just think if you saw that girl in the USA, would you give her $230 usd? (=8000 baht). LOL hell yes you would. So would I and I'd feel like I won the lottery for finding her.

Then we fly across the world and get all stingy haha.

I pay $200 regularly for FS massage parlors in the USA. No other choice. And I guarantee the girls aren't as good looking as the 19 yo you met in Pattaya.

More things not to do in Thailand. Don't walk around like a Big Shot. That never goes over well with Thai. If you find a Thai man yelling at you. Walk away. You will eventually lose every time either to his 20 buddies or his machete. Not really discussed on here but behave on Soi 6. Guys who live here know what I'm talking bout.

A common news story are guys sitting in a police station because they have been robbed 80,000 baht. Why someone is carrying that kind of money around is beyond me. I don't even have enough pockets to fit that many 1000 baht bills. However, the most common news story is a guy who had his real Rolex or an expensive Gold necklace ripped off him, usually by a Ladyboy on Beach Road. Not even sure why they brought those to Thailand to begin with.

Be like the Thai. Just be chill and go along with your daily things. You will never have any issues especially in the "tourist" areas that 99% of the guys discuss on here.

I doubt that any reasonable punter will have problems with the Thai people. But, keeping yourself uninjured is not so certain.

1. Traffic (pedestrians, cars, motorcycles, tuk tuks). A good percentage of taxis don't have functioning seatbelts and some drivers do crazy things. I personally watched 2 motorcycle accidents in March and two of my bar fines had nasty scars from recent motorcycle accidents.

2. Uneven floor surfaces in hotel rooms/bathrooms and public places. Watch your step everywhere!

3. Steep and irregular stairs, many without handrails.

USA OSHA rules would shut down half of Thailand.

[QUOTE=FortyDrinks;2905894]Be careful applies to Bars. Not unusual for Hooligans to get Beaten over who knows what.

If you are Chill safety shouldn't even be an Issue. If you are in a desolate area and see 3 teens coming your way you most likely won't be Robbed or Beaten.

On the other Hand be careful walking, Thailand is not Walker friendly.[/QUOTE]Thanks! I keep to myself, will only be in the bar for 1 thing and it's not drinking. Not too much anyway. I'll only be walking the popular areas mentioned here. I appreciate the info! Looking forward to the trip!

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2906100]I doubt that any reasonable punter will have problems with the Thai people. But, keeping yourself uninjured is not so certain.

1. Traffic (pedestrians, cars, motorcycles, tuk tuks). A good percentage of taxis don't have functioning seatbelts and some drivers do crazy things. I personally watched 2 motorcycle accidents in March and two of my bar fines had nasty scars from recent motorcycle accidents.

2. Uneven floor surfaces in hotel rooms/bathrooms and public places. Watch your step everywhere!

3. Steep and irregular stairs, many without handrails.

USA OSHA rules would shut down half of Thailand.[/QUOTE]Very good point! I have read that you can easily be hit or swiped by a vehicle or bike. I'll definitely need to have my head on a swivel. Don't want to end up being injured there. That would dampen things and probably cost a fortune. Thanks!!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2906087]More things not to do in Thailand. Don't walk around like a Big Shot. That never goes over well with Thai. If you find a Thai man yelling at you. Walk away. You will eventually lose every time either to his 20 buddies or his machete. Not really discussed on here but behave on Soi 6. Guys who live here know what I'm talking bout.

A common news story are guys sitting in a police station because they have been robbed 80,000 baht. Why someone is carrying that kind of money around is beyond me. I don't even have enough pockets to fit that many 1000 baht bills. However, the most common news story is a guy who had his real Rolex or an expensive Gold necklace ripped off him, usually by a Ladyboy on Beach Road. Not even sure why they brought those to Thailand to begin with.

Be like the Thai. Just be chill and go along with your daily things. You will never have any issues especially in the "tourist" areas that 99% of the guys discuss on here.[/QUOTE]I am certainly no big shot. No rings, watches or chains. Will be worn. Thanks for the warning, I do have a small gold chain I wear all the time that means a lot but it's always tucked in. I just won't wear it. Never had an issue any where else, I also don't flash money or anything else. I don't want any unneeded attention. I try keep to myself and will on this trip for sure. I'm not very trusting LOL.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2906017]TwatHunter, there are 2 main kinds of mongering destinations. One is where it is almost impossible to encounter personal violent crime like muggings or worse, and two, where getting mugged is a possibility if you are not careful or are not aware of your surroundings at all times.

Thailand is in the 1st category. It is 99.99% safe, 100% of the time, so you can walk around Sukhumvit and it's many soi side streets in BKK or from the beginning of Walking Street to the end of Beach Road near the Holiday Inn or all up and down Soi Buakhao in Pattaya at any time in safety. I don't know anywhere else except Singapore & Macau which is safer than LOS.

No, your main risks as a punter in Thailand is overpaying, and or barfining the wrong girl and having a shitty session. As a newbie start out with the most highly ISG recommended Go Go's and oily massage parlors (include the high end soapies in BKK) and as you get used to things and more comfortable with the local scene, feel free to wander around more. There are a lot of interesting small bars and massage parlors all over the place. Keep your money and valuables locked up when you have a girl visiting you. This is not a problem with most girls, but why offer the temptation? Don't over booze it. Interview / audition all your potential bar girls. If in doubt, if the girl is not convincing or friendly enough, punt and find a different girl in another bar. That is the beauty of Thailand.

As it is, Thailand is no longer my favorite mongering destination although I still miss the place. My current favorite destination post-Covid happens to be situated in a 2nd category city destination meaning bad violent things can happen to you if you do dumb, stupid things. I have never been in a threatening situation in my new favorite watering hole, but that is because I keep my eyes open at all times and I know that certain neighborhoods are dangerous at night and are therefore no walking areas at night. But you won't have to be concerned about any of this sort of shit in Thailand. The Buddha rules here![/QUOTE]Awesome information! Thank you and everyone who replied! I'll stop filling up the thread now. Look forward to reporting when I get there!

[QUOTE=TwatHunter;2906112]Don't want to end up being injured there. That would dampen things and probably cost a fortune. [/QUOTE]Won't cost you anything except time cause hopefully you're coming to Thailand WITH insurance!

Not sure how many of you guys drive a car in Pattaya but no one looks in this city before stepping right in front a car. For some reason tourists think they have the right away no matter where they're walking. If I weren't an excellent driver I'm sure a few of them would be 6 feet under by now.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2906144]Won't cost you anything except time cause hopefully you're coming to Thailand WITH insurance!

Not sure how many of you guys drive a car in Pattaya but no one looks in this city before stepping right in front a car. For some reason, tourists think they have the right away no matter where they're walking. If I weren't an excellent driver I'm sure a few of them would be 6 feet under by now.[/QUOTE]So correct! The place is safe unless you put yourself in a bad position or make a complete ass of yourself. Don't expect to buy travel insurance and rent a motorbike! As noted pedestrians no right away don't expect stops at crosswalks, cross the street in Horizontal never turn your back.

There are always due to pay no matter what you read here! There is a time when you just pay back into a corner and never hesitate, yell police, and run for the hills LOL. Always smile even when you don't mean it. Many times the right answer is not answering!

This is the Line pic of the girl. Somehow she managed to make her TF Profile vanish from TF right after she sent me her Line ID. On this pic (and on her TF pics) you see a youngish petite skinny girl. In real she's well over 35 and grossly overweight. A pig.

A tip: whenever a girl says she does ""massage", forget her! If she says that it's because something is wrong with what she has to offer in terms of sex.

[QUOTE=XXL;2906164]This is the Line pic of the girl. Somehow she managed to make her TF Profile vanish from TF right after she sent me her Line ID. On this pic (and on her TF pics) you see a youngish petite skinny girl. In real she's well over 35 and grossly overweight.

A tip: whenever a girl says she does ""massage", forget her! If she says that it's because something is wrong with what she has to offer in terms of sex.[/QUOTE]She could have just blocked you after sending Line ID. Guessing you don't remember her TF profile name? I could check if she's still listed.

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2906165]She could have just blocked you after sending Line ID. Guessing you don't remember her TF profile name? I could check if she's still listed.[/QUOTE]I think it was Mina or something like that. She blocked me because she knew she was a fraud and wanted to erase her tracks? Not impossible.

Kudos to the guy who has been saying Pattaya is busy the last few months ad infinitum.

It's actually very busy today. April 4. Central Japanese eats like Fuji have a Lunch crowd.

I'm here for just a song,. Whenever SongSucks starts I'm out.

[QUOTE=Lcale1982;2906165]She could have just blocked you after sending Line ID. Guessing you don't remember her TF profile name? I could check if she's still listed.[/QUOTE]She did not necessarily block him, she can put her account on or off whenever she wants to, by enabling or disabling it.

Once she disable it nobody will see her, and if she wants to use it again, she can enable it by one click.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2905918]Everyone already knows about WS, Soi 6, GCs, Massage places etc. Most posts on this board arent worth the electrons they consume. Detailed reads like Sir L's are enjoyable and interesting. However, these kinds of "old school" reports are now frowned upon by ISG moderators. I have posted many such detailed reports in Phiilippines, Thailand, Indonesia etc but the last time I did I got trolled. When I called out the trolls, moderators took down my posts and put me on moderation. Guess who is never sharing detailed trip reports on ISG anymore? I guess we should all just post about bars everyone knows about over and over again so "newbies" don't have to scroll back a few pages. I know many seasoned mongers who I meet up with have given up totally on sharing on this board. The quality of postings (much like the girls) has sadly deteriorated dramatically.[/QUOTE]Theres a great quote from the legendary Bob Marley himself of when they asked him why should he continue on and perform at a peace rally when folks came to his residence and tried to kill him and his family and he responds.

"The people who are trying to make the world worse are not taking a day off. How can I? Bob Marley.

Thats my same sentiments when you have trolls on here posting bullshit. They aint stoping so why should you. The stories of how OG mongers move in another country is why I originally came to this site when I was a young freshman in college over 20 years ago. And I can honestly say the knowledge I've learned on here thru the many years has made me an overall better man. I to use to post stories as well but as we get older we get stubborn in our ways and if we don't feel appreciated we're like fuck it and just stop writing completely. Thats why I salute Sirlancelot and others that continue to take time to post their stories and good quality content because its what's vital for the young generation to here and for us old school ISG members to here as well, as it gets us inspired again and post about our adventures.

So yeah, don't let the trolls stop you from posting your adventures. Like Marley said, They not taking a day off so why should you!!

Peace.

P.S. Enjoyed your adventures Sirlancelot. I still say you shouldve given big mama from Africa a try. Ooh well maybe next time 🤣.

Bro, always do a video call before confirming them. If they reject your call or make excuses you know you have to turn them down and move on. Make this a religious habit, LOL.

[QUOTE=XXL;2906164]This is the Line pic of the girl. Somehow she managed to make her TF Profile vanish from TF right after she sent me her Line ID. On this pic (and on her TF pics) you see a youngish petite skinny girl. In real she's well over 35 and grossly overweight. A pig.

A tip: whenever a girl says she does ""massage", forget her! If she says that it's because something is wrong with what she has to offer in terms of sex.[/QUOTE]

Last night had a buddy visiting Pattaya for the first time at Iron Club, ask me what a simp was, when I mentioned the word to describe a guy in the stands. My buddy is a frequent on another US based mongering forum that uses the term white knight and fucktard a bunch. The latter is self explanatory. Anyways, I told him those two terms were not the same. Simps can be spotted out when they carry the girls' purses or wear matching outfits. Doesn't matter of the girls are average or lookers. White knights always think they are somehow chivalrous and protecting girls by hiding their identities after glorifying tales of conquest with the fairies of all maidens in the kingdom. Never with the wicked stepsisters. Lest, they forget the devil was in the details. He said to me how do the white knights reveal themselves everywhere and online. I said, how do you know Mickey is a mouse?

BTW There was a Brit who got killed yesterday because he walked into his shower glass door without opening it. Cut him bad and bleed to death. No tempted glass in Thailand. How sad and painful.

One note about Pattaya being busy: due to loosening visa rules, Pattaya is overrun with Indian and Chinese families. So, the roads are jammed, but the bars not so much.

Fortunately, those same Indians and Chinese don't use Bolt, so no problem getting around.

The ladies are not getting so many new customers, but there are still holdovers from High Season, wannabe boyfriends.

This knight of the round table did not have to partake in any battles, quests or tournaments to win the hands and hearts of many a beauteous Thai Guinevere. He is no doubt famed as a nearly unrivalled swordsman and jouster on the Pattaya battleground who has defeated ISG all comers whether they be taco eaters, numerical boozers or otherwise in the arenas on Soi 6, Walking Street and elsewhere if one is to judge from reports on ISG.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2906305]This knight of the round table did not have to partake in any battles, quests or tournaments to win the hands and hearts of many a beauteous Thai Guinevere. He is no doubt famed as a nearly unrivalled swordsman and jouster on the Pattaya battleground who has defeated ISG all comers whether they be taco eaters, numerical boozers or otherwise in the arenas on Soi 6, Walking Street and elsewhere if one is to judge from reports on ISG.[/QUOTE]Haha. I think it's fair to say you squeezed every last pun out of Sir Lancelot! (P. S. I tried to email you directly but your inbox is full).

A big thank you to all of the people who left nice comments about my diary, it is nice to know some people enjoy reading. The exciting news is I'm in talks with Netflix about a 12 part serialisation starring Daniel Craig as me, Robert De Niro as Mr Enternational and Gabriel Jesus Iglesias as ElMexicant. It's going to be box office.

(Before FortyDrinks accuses me of lying again, this was a joke).

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2906144]Won't cost you anything except time cause hopefully you're coming to Thailand WITH insurance!

Not sure how many of you guys drive a car in Pattaya but no one looks in this city before stepping right in front a car. For some reason tourists think they have the right away no matter where they're walking. If I weren't an excellent driver I'm sure a few of them would be 6 feet under by now.[/QUOTE]If your driving a car in Thailand, The Philippines, Malaysia etc and your a foreigner know one thing. No matter who was at fault if its a foreigner vs a local the foreigner will always be at fault. Have the cash on hand to pay off the other people and the first cop who shows up. They won't be asking you for your auto insurance card. You'll be expected to pay for all damages and for all of the lost wages of anyone who's hurt even if its your fault or not. Local sees a foreigner driving a car and there's always that chance that they'll try to get into an accident for a payday. Oh you can argue but the person with the most money is expected to pay. But this also works in your favor if you do something like driving drunk, just bribe the first cop you see and off you go in most cases.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2906236]Last night had a buddy visiting Pattaya for the first time at Iron Club, ask me what a simp was, when I mentioned the word to describe a guy in the stands. My buddy is a frequent on another US based mongering forum that uses the term white knight and fucktard a bunch. The latter is self explanatory. Anyways, I told him those two terms were not the same. Simps can be spotted out when they carry the girls' purses or wear matching outfits. Doesn't matter of the girls are average or lookers. White knights always think they are somehow chivalrous and protecting girls by hiding their identities after glorifying tales of conquest with the fairies of all maidens in the kingdom. Never with the wicked stepsisters. Lest, they forget the devil was in the details. He said to me how do the white knights reveal themselves everywhere and online. I said, how do you know Mickey is a mouse?

BTW There was a Brit who got killed yesterday because he walked into his shower glass door without opening it. Cut him bad and bleed to death. No tempted glass in Thailand. How sad and painful.[/QUOTE]Actually, a "white knight" is worse than that. A WK will pass along a photo of a bargirl posted here to the bargirl, so she can complain to her customer who posted it.

[QUOTE=SuperLove;2906233]Video call

Bro, always do a video call before confirming them. If they reject your call or make excuses you know you have to turn them down and move on. Make this a religious habit, LOL.[/QUOTE]Is this still a thing? I just can't imagine top looking online girls taking video calls from guys they never met before. If this is your rule you will only get the girls who are desperate for business.

Many many years ago every single gogo girl I met used to video call me on video chat daily. I guess that was part of the game back in those days cause guys felt special some Thai chick was video chatting with them. I quickly stopped answering video calls I hate that shit.

For me it's one of the risks for doing TF, Fiwfans, Gaito, etc. Not worth my time or aggravation. Just pay and get the hottest girl you see in person.

XXL, was this a photo of the girl from 15 years ago or a totally fake photo?

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2906312]Haha. I think it's fair to say you squeezed every last pun out of Sir Lancelot! (P. S. I tried to email you directly but your inbox is full).

A big thank you to all of the people who left nice comments about my diary, it is nice to know some people enjoy reading. The exciting news is I'm in talks with Netflix about a 12 part serialisation starring Daniel Craig as me, Robert De Niro as Mr Enternational and Gabriel Jesus Iglesias as ElMexicant. It's going to be box office.

(Before FortyDrinks accuses me of lying again, this was a joke).[/QUOTE]I think Denzel Washington or Will Smith would make a better Mr Enternational.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2906323]Is this still a thing? I just can't imagine top looking online girls taking video calls from guys they never met before. If this is your rule you will only get the girls who are desperate for business.

Many many years ago every single gogo girl I met used to video call me on video chat daily. I guess that was part of the game back in those days cause guys felt special some Thai chick was video chatting with them. I quickly stopped answering video calls I hate that shit.

For me it's one of the risks for doing TF, Fiwfans, Gaito, etc. Not worth my time or aggravation. Just pay and get the hottest girl you see in person.

XXL, was this a photo of the girl from 15 years ago or a totally fake photo?[/QUOTE]Rather a pic from long ago. It was the same girl all right. It usually is on TF. Fake pics are rare. Fact is, some girls age but remain the same type of girl, ie young slender girl becomes older slender girl. Many girls however age AND change, so while remaining the same person forensically speaking, they are not at all what their pics suggest.

I wouldn't put too much faith in video calls either. I mean it's all I can do to get girls 1) to reply to my messages 2) to actually come. If I add the further requirement of a video call my success rate in getting girls will be zero. Those girls have horny cash-laden men lined-up, that's the problem. Yesterday I had a very passable MILF from TF in my room (she came after the disaster I describe below). Well, that very passable MILF, by no means a top model, had messages hitting her phone every minute.

Mr E played by Fat Albert. Getting HoT girls from WS for 1,000 LT and having them Clean his Apt in the morning.

No reports from yesterday. I was watching a Crazytawn stream from Soi 6. He was with an unattractive girl. Killed my desire. Watched the Stock Market instead. LOL.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2906316]If your driving a car in Thailand, The Philippines, Malaysia etc and your a foreigner know one thing. No matter who was at fault if its a foreigner vs a local the foreigner will always be at fault. Have the cash on hand to pay off the other people and the first cop who shows up. They won't be asking you for your auto insurance card. You'll be expected to pay for all damages and for all of the lost wages of anyone who's hurt even if its your fault or not. Local sees a foreigner driving a car and there's always that chance that they'll try to get into an accident for a payday. Oh you can argue but the person with the most money is expected to pay. But this also works in your favor if you do something like driving drunk, just bribe the first cop you see and off you go in most cases.[/QUOTE]I once got hit or "bumped" from behind by a motorbike while walking on the sidewalk. And it was clearly a sidewalk with pavement, curbs, and all. The rider was too lazy to wait with the traffic at a stand still and decided to take a short cut? I turned around to express my displeasure and they somehow made it like it was my fault and got angry at me for being on the sidewalk.

Another time, while walking along side the road going against traffic, so I can see what is coming head on. There was no sidewalk. And I got grazed by a motorbike from behind again. He was going the wrong direction. He tried to tell me this was a two way street. I told him the two way was on the other side of the road, not on the side against traffic where I was walking. He just drove off. I think sometimes these people make up shit trying to get tourists scared so they can make some extra cash to avoid the cops. Weird.

[QUOTE=XXL;2906335]Rather a pic from long ago. It was the same girl all right. It usually is on TF. Fake pics are rare. Fact is, some girls age but remain the same type of girl, ie young slender girl becomes older slender girl. Many girls however age AND change, so while remaining the same person forensically speaking, they are not at all what their pics suggest.

I wouldn't put too much faith in video calls either. I mean it's all I can do to get girls 1) to reply to my messages 2) to actually come. If I add the further requirement of a video call my success rate in getting girls will be zero. Those girls have horny cash-laden men lined-up, that's the problem. Yesterday I had a very passable MILF from TF in my room (she came after the disaster I describe below). Well, that very passable MILF, by no means a top model, had messages hitting her phone every minute.[/QUOTE]Any bargirl under 50 will be getting messages constantly from lonely guys, most not in Thailand.

Plus, messages from family, son needs money, daughter has sick baby, kik needs money. Plus, the lady will scour the Internet looking for customers after you are gone.

I prefer auditioning girls on VC rather than go through an unwanted experience. With limited Time on mongering trips one can't afford to have setbacks. No matter how experienced the punter is, idea is to minimise such incidents and have a great trip. One bad incident, that's all it takes to ruin your mood & holiday.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2906323]Is this still a thing? I just can't imagine top looking online girls taking video calls from guys they never met before. If this is your rule you will only get the girls who are desperate for business.

Many many years ago every single gogo girl I met used to video call me on video chat daily. I guess that was part of the game back in those days cause guys felt special some Thai chick was video chatting with them. I quickly stopped answering video calls I hate that shit.

For me it's one of the risks for doing TF, Fiwfans, Gaito, etc. Not worth my time or aggravation. Just pay and get the hottest girl you see in person.

XXL, was this a photo of the girl from 15 years ago or a totally fake photo?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2906323]Many many years ago every single gogo girl I met used to video call me on video chat daily. I guess that was part of the game back in those days cause guys felt special some Thai chick was video chatting with them.[/QUOTE]No ulterior motive. It is easier for them to speak than to write or keep using the translator. Many foreigners take it that because they can string a few spoken words together that they KNOW English, when actually they may be able to speak but not read or write.

[QUOTE=XXL;2906335]I wouldn't put too much faith in video calls either. I mean it's all I can do to get girls 1) to reply to my messages 2) to actually come. If I add the further requirement of a video call my success rate in getting girls will be zero.[/QUOTE]You do not have to make it a requirement. Or ask. All you have to do is hit the videocall button and they will answer. Hell, that is how they do me. And like BB, I never answer that shit either.

[QUOTE=XXL;2906335]Those girls have horny cash-laden men lined-up, that's the problem. Yesterday I had a very passable MILF from TF in my room (she came after the disaster I describe below). Well, that very passable MILF, by no means a top model, had messages hitting her phone every minute.[/QUOTE]Very true. I do not know why people think a chick has to be the best looking girl TO THEM in order to have a lot of customers. In Pattaya there are tons of pots for every lid. For some reason I never see anyone walking around with all these supposed stunners. Foreigners are mostly walking around holding hands with chicks that I would not even look at. To each their own. The idea is to have a good time, not to try to impress people by paying a girl that onlookers may find attractive.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2905918]Everyone already knows about WS, Soi 6, GCs, Massage places etc. Most posts on this board arent worth the electrons they consume. Detailed reads like Sir L's are enjoyable and interesting. However, these kinds of "old school" reports are now frowned upon by ISG moderators. I have posted many such detailed reports in Phiilippines, Thailand, Indonesia etc but the last time I did I got trolled. When I called out the trolls, moderators took down my posts and put me on moderation. Guess who is never sharing detailed trip reports on ISG anymore? I guess we should all just post about bars everyone knows about over and over again so "newbies" don't have to scroll back a few pages. I know many seasoned mongers who I meet up with have given up totally on sharing on this board. The quality of postings (much like the girls) has sadly deteriorated dramatically.[/QUOTE]That's sad to hear. It would be better if you and others just ignored the trolls. E. g. , the only reason I saw 40-drinks nonsense response to SirLancelot is because SirLancelot quoted him.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2906407]That's sad to hear. It would be better if you and others just ignored the trolls. E. g. , the only reason I saw 40-drinks nonsense response to SirLancelot is because SirLancelot quoted him.[/QUOTE]What was my non sense Response?

Wonder who is more ludicrous. Me or her. Before on the 6, she quotes me 2000 + 400. I countered 1200 + 400 = 1600. She said no. I turned my nose up, balked, and then walked away. Then on the Not So Friendly Thai, she quotes me 1700ST. Which is 100 more than what my total would have been on Soi 6. I still countered down to 1500 and even threw out 1300 to come fuck her in her room, to save me the clean up. Then she IGNORED me. LOL.

Gee whiz, I am getting good at controlling my lust. Got to battle that "must have" or I get to sleep alone feeling. Anyways, dinero saved means more sopapillas for me. Yum! I sure can pick them.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2906316]If your driving a car in Thailand, The Philippines, Malaysia etc and your a foreigner know one thing. No matter who was at fault if its a foreigner vs a local the foreigner will always be at fault. Have the cash on hand to pay off the other people and the first cop who shows up. They won't be asking you for your auto insurance card. You'll be expected to pay for all damages and for all of the lost wages of anyone who's hurt even if its your fault or not. Local sees a foreigner driving a car and there's always that chance that they'll try to get into an accident for a payday. Oh you can argue but the person with the most money is expected to pay. But this also works in your favor if you do something like driving drunk, just bribe the first cop you see and off you go in most cases.[/QUOTE]I know a German guy who had an accident in Thailand. He had a dash cam and his insurance's lawyer arrived on the scene quickly. The German guy was vindicated. The insurance lawyer was very efficient.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2906407]That's sad to hear. It would be better if you and others just ignored the trolls. E. g. , the only reason I saw 40-drinks nonsense response to SirLancelot is because SirLancelot quoted him.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FortyDrinks;2906408]What was my non sense Response?[/QUOTE]Sorry to have to spell this out to you but I suspect what Werqweq means is that he's put you on his 'ignore list', which means he only ever reads your posts when you get quoted.

As to what your nonsense response was, it could be tricky to narrow down. My guess would be that you never accept anyone can have a different opinion from yours. You read about people's experiences and can't accept they're real because they don't tally with your own. You find it impossible to accept soi 6 has pretty girls, after all, you spend your life watching endless live streams. You can't accept I fucked pretty girls for 1500 or less, presumably because you can't yourself. That would be my guess but to be fair it could any number of things.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2906316]If your driving a car in Thailand, The Philippines, Malaysia etc and your a foreigner know one thing. No matter who was at fault if its a foreigner vs a local the foreigner will always be at fault. Have the cash on hand to pay off the other people and the first cop who shows up. They won't be asking you for your auto insurance card. You'll be expected to pay for all damages and for all of the lost wages of anyone who's hurt even if its your fault or not. Local sees a foreigner driving a car and there's always that chance that they'll try to get into an accident for a payday. Oh you can argue but the person with the most money is expected to pay. But this also works in your favor if you do something like driving drunk, just bribe the first cop you see and off you go in most cases.[/QUOTE]Won't be driving at all. No need to. Easier to buy a driver for the day LOL. I assume the foreigner is always at fault for everything. I'll just keep my head low and try and get in / out of most places as quick as possible. Not looking for fun nightlife, just fun women to barfine and scoot with LOL.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2906474]Sorry to have to spell this out to you but I suspect what Werqweq means is that he's put you on his 'ignore list', which means he only ever reads your posts when you get quoted.

As to what your nonsense response was, it could be tricky to narrow down. My guess would be that you never accept anyone can have a different opinion from yours. You read about people's experiences and can't accept they're real because they don't tally with your own. You find it impossible to accept soi 6 has pretty girls, after all, you spend your life watching endless live streams. You can't accept I fucked pretty girls for 1500 or less, presumably because you can't yourself. That would be my guess but to be fair it could any number of things.[/QUOTE]I fully accept what you write is real. Nothing outrageous just a whole lot of mundane.

What I question is guys who say they getting hot girls for 1,500 or less.

Come on man. I'm consistent.

Do I think the guy who bought 40 drinks for a random and was willing to spend $700 on a Soi 6 girl is legit. Sounded Real.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2906474]Sorry to have to spell this out to you but I suspect what Werqweq means is that he's put you on his 'ignore list', which means he only ever reads your posts when you get quoted.

As to what your nonsense response was, it could be tricky to narrow down. My guess would be that you never accept anyone can have a different opinion from yours. You read about people's experiences and can't accept they're real because they don't tally with your own. You find it impossible to accept soi 6 has pretty girls, after all, you spend your life watching endless live streams. You can't accept I fucked pretty girls for 1500 or less, presumably because you can't yourself. That would be my guess but to be fair it could any number of things.[/QUOTE]I cannot accept there's more than not many Hot Girls on Soi 6 is True.

And again price matters lower price means. You know the Drill.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2906410]Wonder who is more ludicrous. Me or her. Before on the 6, she quotes me 2000 + 400. I countered 1200 + 400 = 1600. She said no. I turned my nose up, balked, and then walked away. Then on the Not So Friendly Thai, she quotes me 1700ST. Which is 100 more than what my total would have been on Soi 6. I still countered down to 1500 and even threw out 1300 to come fuck her in her room, to save me the clean up. Then she IGNORED me. LOL.

Gee whiz, I am getting good at controlling my lust. Got to battle that "must have" or I get to sleep alone feeling. Anyways, dinero saved means more sopapillas for me. Yum! I sure can pick them.[/QUOTE]You come across as a bit Frugal. Loosen up bro.

Hahaha.

Livestream. I tune in a lot. Way more fun than reading about Boring reports here.

Nothing going on John.

Piss on wall on Khao Sam Road. Security guard say give me 100 baht. Dummy John say go away.

Sec guard and Buddies surround John. Sec guard went so far as to start Chonking John violently. Sec guard did come to his senses and didn't kill John.

Drama Drama. Drama.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2906474]Sorry to have to spell this out to you but I suspect what Werqweq means is that he's put you on his 'ignore list', which means he only ever reads your posts when you get quoted.

As to what your nonsense response was, it could be tricky to narrow down. My guess would be that you never accept anyone can have a different opinion from yours. You read about people's experiences and can't accept they're real because they don't tally with your own. You find it impossible to accept soi 6 has pretty girls, after all, you spend your life watching endless live streams. You can't accept I fucked pretty girls for 1500 or less, presumably because you can't yourself. That would be my guess but to be fair it could any number of things.[/QUOTE]To be fair these discussions about getting "pretty" girls below list-price are most of the time at cross purposes. What happens is that we are seldom talking about the same girls. Quite a few men are outliers in terms of what they want in a woman. Good for those men of course as they don't need to compete with the tons of men whose tastes cluster around the mean.

To be meaningful such discussions would need to include pics, which is not doable (betrayal of the girl, dangerous for mongers who live here). This is especially true in Thailand where a girl can be identified by her tattoos: hiding her face does not guarantee anonymity. It used to be different before everyone including the girls got internet savvy.

I emerged from Covid with about ten girls in my portfolio. I was paying them 1500. When China reopened, Covid was at an end for good and I nearly at once lost half the girls. They were not longer satisfied with 1500 but instead of telling me to my face they blocked me or repeatedly flaked on appointments. The remaining five girls I soon hastened to upgrade to 2000. Now even these remaining 2000 girls are flaking one after the other. The girls I'm digging up to replace them are older and less hot on average. Thailand is quickly heading towards the 100-dollar mark for short time with a decent girl. Only the dwindling possibility of long time still gives Thailand the edge. I'm a one-shot per day man, I'm not interested in long time. This means that for me sex is now as good value for money eg in Germany's FKKs than it is in Thailand, in spite of the post-Covid hike from 50 to 100 euros in FKK's.

Admittedly, Thai working girls' ageism make things for elderly mongers like me infinitely worse, so younger mongers may have fewer reasons to be pessimistic about Thailand. Indeed this is the most frustrating aspect, more so than price-inflation, about mongering in Thailand right now. In Thailand whenever I see a super hot girl she is conspicuously avoiding me. It was so refreshing to hit Brazil again in 2021 after decades. Every girl in Brazil, and I mean EVERY ONE OF THEM, was happy to talk business with me. Even top-models who put everything Thailand has to offer in the shade.

[QUOTE=XXL;2906552]To be fair these discussions about getting "pretty" girls below list-price are most of the time at cross purposes. What happens is that we are seldom talking about the same girls. Quite a few men are outliers in terms of what they want in a woman. Good for those men of course as they don't need to compete with the tons of men whose tastes cluster around the mean.

To be meaningful such discussions would need to include pics, which is not doable (betrayal of the girl, dangerous for mongers who live here). This is especially true in Thailand where a girl can be identified by her tattoos: hiding her face does not guarantee anonymity. It used to be different before everyone including the girls got internet savvy.

I emerged from Covid with about ten girls in my portfolio. I was paying them 1500. When China reopened, Covid was at an end for good and I nearly at once lost half the girls. They were not longer satisfied with 1500 but instead of telling me to my face they blocked me or repeatedly flaked on appointments. The remaining five girls I soon hastened to upgrade to 2000. Now even these remaining 2000 girls are flaking one after the other. The girls I'm digging up to replace them are older and less hot on average. Thailand is quickly heading towards the 100-dollar mark for short time with a decent girl. Only the dwindling possibility of long time still gives Thailand the edge. I'm a one-shot per day man, I'm not interested in long time. This means that for me sex is now as good value for money eg in Germany's FKKs than it is in Thailand, in spite of the post-Covid hike from 50 to 100 euros in FKK's.

Admittedly, Thai working girls' ageism make things for elderly mongers like me infinitely worse, so younger mongers may have fewer reasons to be pessimistic about Thailand. Indeed this is the most frustrating aspect, more so than price-inflation, about mongering in Thailand right now. In Thailand whenever I see a super hot girl she is conspicuously avoiding me. It was so refreshing to hit Brazil again in 2021 after decades. Every girl in Brazil, and I mean EVERY ONE OF THEM, was happy to talk business with me. Even top-models who put everything Thailand has to offer in the shade.[/QUOTE]Although I can't compare the physical appearance of P4 P girls in Brasil vs those in Thailand, I have not yet bothered to monger in Brasil due to the reported greater insistence on condom use there, you make some good points re what happens and is truly available in Thailand.

Also, in defense of the points Forty Drinks makes, when I read the terms "gorgeous", "flawless body", "stunning" and the like sprinkled throughout anyone's Field Reports of 1,000 - 1,500 baht sessions with girls on Soi 6 or virtually anywhere else in Pattaya, not singling out any one reporter, it is well worth calling a bit of BS on it as a reality check for the unwary newbie who has not yet devoted his vacation time and paid serious money to book flights and hotels to go there.

IMHO.

Pricing and availability is also a function of the season. The same ladies who are busy in January are desperate in June.

I am not seeing that many bargirls with Chinese customers, despite the swarms of Chinese tourists. And I have yet to meet a girl who could speak any Chinese.

[QUOTE=XXL;2906552]To be fair these discussions about getting "pretty" girls below list-price are most of the time at cross purposes. What happens is that we are seldom talking about the same girls. Quite a few men are outliers in terms of what they want in a woman. Good for those men of course as they don't need to compete with the tons of men whose tastes cluster around the mean.

To be meaningful such discussions would need to include pics, which is not doable (betrayal of the girl, dangerous for mongers who live here). This is especially true in Thailand where a girl can be identified by her tattoos: hiding her face does not guarantee anonymity. It used to be different before everyone including the girls got internet savvy.

I emerged from Covid with about ten girls in my portfolio. I was paying them 1500. When China reopened, Covid was at an end for good and I nearly at once lost half the girls. They were not longer satisfied with 1500 but instead of telling me to my face they blocked me or repeatedly flaked on appointments. The remaining five girls I soon hastened to upgrade to 2000. Now even these remaining 2000 girls are flaking one after the other. The girls I'm digging up to replace them are older and less hot on average. Thailand is quickly heading towards the 100-dollar mark for short time with a decent girl. Only the dwindling possibility of long time still gives Thailand the edge. I'm a one-shot per day man, I'm not interested in long time. This means that for me sex is now as good value for money eg in Germany's FKKs than it is in Thailand, in spite of the post-Covid hike from 50 to 100 euros in FKK's..[/QUOTE]Your assessment is very accurate as to Thailand after COVID-19, without beating a dead horse I have my opinion as to why it is the way it is today. The younger better-looking ones in my stable are mostly gone if not all. I'm not crying at my stage in life I smile and move on if they call they call. If fact if they do they are doing me a favor! It is what it is!

[QUOTE=XXL;2906414]I know a German guy who had an accident in Thailand. He had a dash cam and his insurance's lawyer arrived on the scene quickly. The German guy was vindicated. The insurance lawyer was very efficient.[/QUOTE]Correct, there are two schools of thought. One can accept the blame or stand up for yourself when it comes to driving. The reason the cops feel they can make you pay is because they know the majority of farangs are scared of their shadows. I've heard this several times from the police I know or associated with. Many can't afford to have their passport detained reason the threat is made remember the Indian guy on W. S. Who grabbed the wrong women's ass as soon as his passport was taken a settlement of 200,000 baht was made.

I've been involved in several situations that come away free. Remember a Traffic accident isn't a criminal offense if it isn't alcohol-related it is a civil case. As you noted, the reason all my vehicles have dash cams a picture tells a thousand words. In one case in particular a family friend had no video at Na Jomtien station police demanded 200,000, although the other party admitted fault. The police, the insurance agent for my friend and so so-called victim were all in it together. In the end, we got up and walked out the door and said if you want us back we be coming with our lawyers, pressing charges. It comes down to their bluff vs. Yours! As noted, these are usually Civil matters not criminal.

Motorbikes are more complicated you drive one you better know the Thai driving law and their habits and being able to speak and explain yourself in Thai will help greatly. Whatever you do never get angry or hostile towards anyone doing so is it going to get your vehicle or bike fit NO! 99.9% of Thais motorbikes don't carry 3rd party insurance majority will play dumb and the poor can't pay so walking away means you suck it up the majority of times. Your car insurance will cover it knowing what I just said they aren't chasing anyone and expect your rate to go up next year.

I've been in a few motorbike fender benders last twenty years never my fault, and never a discussion about insurance I know they don't have it never demand they pay it is the price you pay for driving one considers it like " no-fault " years ago a motorbike taxi in front of Big see, 2nd Road cut in front of me and fell. I stopped and helped him and the passenger get off the floor once they realized I was a farang driver and taxi buddies on the corner said I needed to pay. I smiled, pulled my phone out told the boy to knock yourself and call the police. Back on the bike bye!

I'm currently in BKK and thinking about coming to Pattaya next week for three nights, but I'm worried the supply of girls will dry up with many going back to their villages for the Songkran holiday. I would only be in Pattaya April 8th through the 11th.

Thoughts on the girl supply during this time?

Cheers!

[QUOTE=XXL;2906552]To be fair these discussions about getting "pretty" girls below list-price are most of the time at cross purposes. What happens is that we are seldom talking about the same girls. Quite a few men are outliers in terms of what they want in a woman. Good for those men of course as they don't need to compete with the tons of men whose tastes cluster around the mean.

To be meaningful such discussions would need to include pics, which is not doable (betrayal of the girl, dangerous for mongers who live here). This is especially true in Thailand where a girl can be identified by her tattoos: hiding her face does not guarantee anonymity. It used to be different before everyone including the girls got internet savvy.

I emerged from Covid with about ten girls in my portfolio. I was paying them 1500. When China reopened, Covid was at an end for good and I nearly at once lost half the girls. They were not longer satisfied with 1500 but instead of telling me to my face they blocked me or repeatedly flaked on appointments. The remaining five girls I soon hastened to upgrade to 2000. Now even these remaining 2000 girls are flaking one after the other. The girls I'm digging up to replace them are older and less hot on average. Thailand is quickly heading towards the 100-dollar mark for short time with a decent girl. Only the dwindling possibility of long time still gives Thailand the edge. I'm a one-shot per day man, I'm not interested in long time. This means that for me sex is now as good value for money eg in Germany's FKKs than it is in Thailand, in spite of the post-Covid hike from 50 to 100 euros in FKK's.

Admittedly, Thai working girls' ageism make things for elderly mongers like me infinitely worse, so younger mongers may have fewer reasons to be pessimistic about Thailand. Indeed this is the most frustrating aspect, more so than price-inflation, about mongering in Thailand right now. In Thailand whenever I see a super hot girl she is conspicuously avoiding me. It was so refreshing to hit Brazil again in 2021 after decades. Every girl in Brazil, and I mean EVERY ONE OF THEM, was happy to talk business with me. Even top-models who put everything Thailand has to offer in the shade.[/QUOTE]This is a well measured response.

Will be staying at Nikom Court tomorrow. Will be on the lookout for cheap Hot Grils.

For those who do t know girls who Troll this area are Worser than Soi 6. This area gets few Rich Koreans and Indians.

If you don't believe me go into an ahogo.

Bolt taxi is not so much fun at night, still too many tourists in Pattaya.

On the positive side, I went to Camel Toe today, there was a mix of MILFs and younger types. Mind you 8 customers can make the place look busy, there's maybe 10 ladies there. But there was a fairly spectacular young one with a large rack playing pool topless all by herself. Unfortunately, I had to go back to my place to host a massage lady.

Camel Toe specializes in MILFs who are expert in picking off the weak and turning them into boyfriends. Even if the guy has a Thai wife. Especially if the guy has a Thai wife.

[QUOTE=XXL;2906552]In Thailand whenever I see a super hot girl she is conspicuously avoiding me. It was so refreshing to hit Brazil again in 2021 after decades. Every girl in Brazil, and I mean EVERY ONE OF THEM, was happy to talk business with me. Even top-models who put everything Thailand has to offer in the shade.[/QUOTE]Brazil and Thailand are different dynamics. In Brazil when a chick is a hooker then she is a hooker. That is her life and wherever you find her, then that is what she is in the place for. Brazilian hookers have a purpose. It is like going to a car mechanic. They are open and available to work on your car and will mostly do good work because that is their job; that is their bread and butter.

In Thailand the majority of chicks that do this do it "on the side". These chicks are farmers and come to Pattaya to make extra money. At any time they can cut bait and go back to the farm life. And it does not help that Pattaya has a party atmosphere that is not seen on a farm. A chick would rather party or drink with friends than to go with a customer. We know how cheap Thailand is so it only takes a couple or a few customers to sustain her for the entire month. If you look at the pay stub that Explorer posted in another thread you will see that it does not help that some bars are paying chicks 25,000 baht for 10 days. The chick had 92 drinks bought for her and only did 4 bar fines. She has no need go with a man, hence avoiding you if you are not buying drinks for her.

So the dynamic for hookers in Thailand is more like a high school kid goofing off working part time at McDonald's. If they get fired from that job then they are still living at home with mom and dad supporting them. They do not have to take it serious the same as the Thai hookers do not take it serious.

[QUOTE=Panakmuay24;2906600] but I'm worried the supply of girls will dry up with many going back to their villages for the Songkran holiday. I would only be in Pattaya April 8th through the 11th.

Thoughts on the girl supply during this time?
[/QUOTE]The girls are there during Songkran. You just need to put up with the immature wanna-be's.

[QUOTE=XXL;2906552]....... In Thailand whenever I see a super hot girl she is conspicuously avoiding me. It was so refreshing to hit Brazil again in 2021 after decades. Every girl in Brazil, and I mean EVERY ONE OF THEM, was happy to talk business with me. Even top-models who put everything Thailand has to offer in the shade.[/QUOTE]I have experienced this in Asia especially Thailand, the Philippines and China. The super hot girls make lots of dough from the rich Koreans and Japanese. These dolls believe that their vaginas would be overly stretched by farang resulting in loss of clientele; it is more a psychological issue than anything else. In Brazil there is no such issue as the local gents can match farangs inch for inch; and the garotas, well, they just love sex.

Turgid & XXL, we really should stop plugging that SA country where the girls like to shag gringos. Thailand is so much better. KKK.

[QUOTE=Panakmuay24;2906600]I'm currently in BKK and thinking about coming to Pattaya next week for three nights, but I'm worried the supply of girls will dry up with many going back to their villages for the Songkran holiday. I would only be in Pattaya April 8th through the 11th.

Thoughts on the girl supply during this time?

Cheers![/QUOTE]You will be overwhelmed with the number of ladies in Pattaya. Your limitations will be time and money, not ladies.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2906693]I have experienced this in Asia especially Thailand, the Philippines and China. The super hot girls make lots of dough from the rich Koreans and Japanese. These dolls believe that their vaginas would be overly stretched by farang resulting in loss of clientele; it is more a psychological issue than anything else. In Brazil there is no such issue as the local gents can match farangs inch for inch; and the garotas, well, they just love sex.[/QUOTE]In a way, this is kind of a myth, but at the same time, it's not. A vagina outside of giving birth really doesn't change in its overall size or capability. It's just what it gets accustom to taking in. It doesn't actually literally get stretched out. LOL my FWB back home I use a $3000 fucking machine on her and trust me that machine can do things to her that I can only dream of doing. Not to mention the size of attachments. We usually work our way up to huge. Although her preference is medium. That's all she needs to get where she Needs to go over and over and over until it becomes endlessly. LOL but here's the amazing part. After seeing this machine, fuck her and ways that I can only dream of. She still wants the real D to finish her off. And that I do. Her pussy has been stretched out completely. It's fully engorged, it's mushy, it's wet dripping and it feels so damn good. LOL Thai women noticeably have smaller vaginas versus their western counterparts. This is indisputable. So I wouldn't worry about them being stretched out a bit. For most of these girls, a good, solid, thick 6 inch is more than they've ever seen, and definitely more than they'll ever need.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2906749]You will be overwhelmed with the number of ladies in Pattaya. Your limitations will be time and money, not ladies.[/QUOTE]Sadly, quantity doesn't mean quality. Having been to Pattaya dozens of times, I miss the 15+ years ago Pattaya where a lot of WGs looked like supermodels. Whatsup, Sapphire, Insomnia, Sensations, etc. It was amazing and you could find them anywhere.

My last trip I did manage to find a few stunners at Palace and XS, but it was nothing like previous years.

So yeah, there's plenty of women in Pattaya, but the quality has certainly gone down. My limitation wasn't money or time. It was quality. It just wasn't there so I just kept repeating the same women.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2906915]Sadly, quantity doesn't mean quality. Having been to Pattaya dozens of times, I miss the 15+ years ago Pattaya where a lot of WGs looked like supermodels. Whatsup, Sapphire, Insomnia, Sensations, etc. It was amazing and you could find them anywhere.

My last trip I did manage to find a few stunners at Palace and XS, but it was nothing like previous years.

So yeah, there's plenty of women in Pattaya, but the quality has certainly gone down. My limitation wasn't money or time. It was quality. It just wasn't there so I just kept repeating the same women.[/QUOTE]Maggie's Mays looks great. The remodel that is.

The Cashier looks Ok. I wonder if she Cashiers Nekkid?

The one girl that the YouTuber interviewed was par for the course,. Not the prettiest nor the Ugliest. A bit wide and older.

[QUOTE=GettingTang;2906907]...... Thai women noticeably have smaller vaginas versus their western counterparts. This is indisputable.......[/QUOTE]Why do Thai women have smaller vaginas than Western women? Because they accommodate smaller penises than Western women. I rest my case.
That is why Asian babes have such tight vaginas.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2906915]Sadly, quantity doesn't mean quality. Having been to Pattaya dozens of times, I miss the 15+ years ago Pattaya where a lot of WGs looked like supermodels. Whatsup, Sapphire, Insomnia, Sensations, etc. It was amazing and you could find them anywhere.

My last trip I did manage to find a few stunners at Palace and XS, but it was nothing like previous years.

So yeah, there's plenty of women in Pattaya, but the quality has certainly gone down. My limitation wasn't money or time. It was quality. It just wasn't there so I just kept repeating the same women.[/QUOTE]Archeologists have unearthed a 14th century Chinese manuscript, and can make out an inscription: " Pattaya ladies much hotter and cheaper 20 years ago".

I first went to Pattaya 20 years ago and the ladies are about the same today. More tattoos and silicon now. For some people, memories are filtered over time.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2906915]...

So yeah, there's plenty of women in Pattaya, but the quality has certainly gone down. My limitation wasn't money or time. It was quality. It just wasn't there so I just kept repeating the same women.[/QUOTE]An apt description of my own predicament. I wouldn't mind shelling out for hot girls. I am grossly underspending as I am, and I have no prospective heirs to bequeath my savings to. But hot girls on whom to splurge are simply not available to me here. The girls I have access to are no longer hot enough for me to have fulfilling protected sex with, in spite of the Sildenafil and the THC. At the same time going bareback with a wide range of average girls - even if negotiable - doesn't strike me as a safe option. Even if it were safe, I suspect it would quickly get old. There's no substitute for a female's hotness in my sexual hypothalamus.

Sticky rice and coconut. 53 baht. Reduced price 25 baht, few hours later. My exact same logic for GoGo Bar girls and Soi 6 girls. It's all in the timing. I could have lied to the cashier and said I only have 23 baht. Wonder would she have given it to me just like when I tell a girl who wants 1500 on LINE, I spent all my money on drinks and only have 1420. Will you take that? Give her a wink. Works every time. LOL.

Thats is very good comparison. Basically, difference between east and west. In Brazil (or mostly westerner countries) girls will be independent and want to move out of parents house, so they NEED to make money. Where in east girls are supported by parents for long. Many girls I met on seeking in different countries, I could see this difference.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2906644]Brazil and Thailand are different dynamics. In Brazil when a chick is a hooker then she is a hooker. That is her life and wherever you find her, then that is what she is in the place for. Brazilian hookers have a purpose. It is like going to a car mechanic. They are open and available to work on your car and will mostly do good work because that is their job; that is their bread and butter.

In Thailand the majority of chicks that do this do it "on the side". These chicks are farmers and come to Pattaya to make extra money. At any time they can cut bait and go back to the farm life. And it does not help that Pattaya has a party atmosphere that is not seen on a farm. A chick would rather party or drink with friends than to go with a customer. We know how cheap Thailand is so it only takes a couple or a few customers to sustain her for the entire month. If you look at the pay stub that Explorer posted in another thread you will see that it does not help that some bars are paying chicks 25,000 baht for 10 days. The chick had 92 drinks bought for her and only did 4 bar fines. She has no need go with a man, hence avoiding you if you are not buying drinks for her.

So the dynamic for hookers in Thailand is more like a high school kid goofing off working part time at McDonald's. If they get fired from that job then they are still living at home with mom and dad supporting them. They do not have to take it serious the same as the Thai hookers do not take it serious.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2906950]Archeologists have unearthed a 14th century Chinese manuscript, and can make out an inscription: " Pattaya ladies much hotter and cheaper 20 years ago".

I first went to Pattaya 20 years ago and the ladies are about the same today. More tattoos and silicon now. For some people, memories are filtered over time.[/QUOTE]Funny. The fake boobs and tats though are out of control. I hate what these pretty girls are doing their bodies, turning them into a graffiti wall. A couple of small tasteful tats is one thing. But what Thai hookers are doing completely turns me off. And big or small boobs are fine but fake boobs are a hard no for me. So a natural pretty girl with no tatts in Pattaya is a unicorn. The other thing that has definitely deteriorated is attitude. Post social media and smart phones its a different game all together. If you have not been here a decade or more ago, its still amazing compared to the west. But if you had the good fortune to see Pattaya in the early 2000's or before, you too would be sad.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2906958]Sticky rice and coconut. 53 baht. Reduced price 25 baht, few hours later. My exact same logic for GoGo Bar girls and Soi 6 girls. It's all in the timing. I could have lied to the cashier and said I only have 23 baht. Wonder would she have given it to me just like when I tell a girl who wants 1500 on LINE, I spent all my money on drinks and only have 1420. Will you take that? Give her a wink. Works every time. LOL.[/QUOTE]Central Marina grocery store.

Quality Mangoes. 79 baht. I just buy it. I'll even go out of my way to buy one tray.

Central Shopping. Quality Bad. I don't buy.

Kind of applies to Bargirls on Soi 6.

If quality I buy if not I don't buy.

Lately I haven't been buying on Soi 6.

P.S. I'm not talking outrageous prices. Normal established Soi6 pricing.

Ah, the Good Old Days. In 2044 twenty years from now, 2024 will be the Good Old Days.

It's not only Thai with the tatts. That's a generation trait for the entire world. I don't mid tatts at all if they are done very well. Unfortunately, not the case most of the time. At least the Barbwire Tramp Stamp of the 80's are gone.

If Taylor Swift tatted her entire body with Hello Kitty, watch out! Monkey see, Monkey do.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2906958]Sticky rice and coconut. 53 baht. Reduced price 25 baht, few hours later. My exact same logic for GoGo Bar girls and Soi 6 girls. It's all in the timing. I could have lied to the cashier and said I only have 23 baht. Wonder would she have given it to me[/QUOTE]My buddy whose first time it was last month went to buy a bunch of food at a take away spot. Because he has a good heart, he gave the lady 100 baht tip. He came back 2 days later to buy food again. He was 5 baht short. The lady would not give him the food.

Doing Research. On the 6th.

Ask mildly OK girl how much short time?

She in turn ask howuch you pay?

I sheeplishly Smiled and paid for my 1 drink.

I did not want to say 1,500 and if she accepted then what. Hahaha. I did not want to Barfine.

The Hottest girl has to be a Hello Girl at Kelaya 66 Bar. She dutifully is there everytime I walk by just looking Pretty. Doesn't seem to attract customers. Maybe she has Sponsors.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2907047]

It's not only Thai with the tatts. That's a generation trait for the entire world. I don't mid tatts at all if they are done very well. Unfortunately, not the case most of the time. At least the Barbwire Tramp Stamp of the 80's are gone.

If Taylor Swift tatted her entire body with Hello Kitty, watch out! Monkey see, Monkey do.[/QUOTE]Not yet in Indonesia. Thankfully their religion prohibits tattoos or any permanent changes to their god given body so most girls are pristine. Another reason I really love Jakarta.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2906958]Sticky rice and coconut. 53 baht. Reduced price 25 baht, few hours later. My exact same logic for GoGo Bar girls and Soi 6 girls. It's all in the timing. I could have lied to the cashier and said I only have 23 baht. Wonder would she have given it to me just like when I tell a girl who wants 1500 on LINE, I spent all my money on drinks and only have 1420. Will you take that? Give her a wink. Works every time. LOL.[/QUOTE]Wow. You saved 80 baht.

Hello,

I am planning to take a trip sometime this year but before I do, I was wondering if you could provide some insight on hotels to pick? Girl friendly? Best spot closest to entertainment. I tried using expedia bit there are so many options. Are hotels closest to Soi 6 better? Should I stick closer to walking street? I don't want to go dirt cheap but not too expensive.

Johnny What's Happening reported Suckkskran cancelled in Hua Him.

Pattaya and Bangkok next?

Myth Beer Bar. Beer Bar near Hard Rock. Any Beer Bar Complex.

I commented on Ndtvi channel Las Vegas Beer Bar will be a disaster. He said I don't know. Hahaha. It's true I don't know I just go by what I see I don't see more than 5% occupancy. Sure maybe 2 bars have customers.

Anyone have insight.

Amiss at Central. Pizza Co.

After 20 years of that huge space they occupied they moved into a Smaller space. Actually looks busy now.

Hope they do well. I like them better than Pizza Hut.

Funny thing. 2 maybe 3 servers are Kind of Hot. Way Superior than anything you find on Soi 6,. I know there are Cute girls on the Soi.

[QUOTE=FortyDrinks;2907031]Central Marina grocery store.

Quality Mangoes. 79 baht. I just buy it. I'll even go out of my way to buy one tray.

Central Shopping. Quality Bad. I don't buy.

Kind of applies to Bargirls on Soi 6.

If quality I buy if not I don't buy.

Lately I haven't been buying on Soi 6.

P.S. I'm not talking outrageous prices. Normal established Soi6 pricing.[/QUOTE]I show you a photo of 1 product. Same product. With 2 different prices.

You talk about different mangoes. 2 different stores. 2 different locations.

Somebody got lost. May want to check Soi 6 for those marbles.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2907017]Funny. The fake boobs and tats though are out of control. I hate what these pretty girls are doing their bodies, turning them into a graffiti wall. A couple of small tasteful tats is one thing. But what Thai hookers are doing completely turns me off. And big or small boobs are fine but fake boobs are a hard no for me. So a natural pretty girl with no tattoos in Pattaya is a unicorn.[/QUOTE]I think being overweight gets the ball rolling on these lamentable decisions. A girl gets a bit pum-pui and seeks to distract attention from her girth. She gets a boob job so her bustline will match her hips and backside. She tells herself she's "thicc" or "has a banging booty," but she's just fat. After awhile her cartoonish curves need something more, so she gets a tattoo. . . And then another and another. At the point she's crossed the line of no return and there's no way she's ever going to look like she did fresh off the bus. Lip implants? Freaky hair color and style? Might as well. In for a penny, in for a pound. It's like joining the French Foreign Legion after high school. Even a few years living that life will age a person fast.

[QUOTE=Malencho;2907131]I was wondering if you could provide some insight on hotels to pick? Girl friendly? Best spot closest to entertainment? Are hotels closest to Soi 6 better? Should I stick closer to Walking Street? I don't want to go dirt cheap but not too expensive.[/QUOTE]First timers benefit from staying within 1,000 meters of Soi Myth Night, which you can find on Google Maps. That's between the beach on the west and Third Road on the east. Between, Central Pattaya Road on the north, and Soi 13 on the south. Go to the forum dedicated to Pattaya Hotels. Go back 50 pages and read forward. You'll find a handful of hotels that are mentioned over and over. Whitehouse, Areca, LK Residence, LK Empress. They are all girl friendly. Look up those hotels on the lodging web sites like Trip Advisor and you'll see what's out there.

After you've done your homework, if you have SPECIFIC questions, post them in the hotel forum.

[QUOTE=FortyDrinks;2907207]Johnny What's Happening reported Suckkskran cancelled in Hua Him.

Pattaya and Bangkok next?[/QUOTE]Yes there is always a possibility Songkran gets cancelled or shortened in Thailand due to water rationing. I know water pressure was decreased at my condo right before I left in March. No idea if this has anything to do with water rationing or something else.

It would take a lot to shut down Songkran in Pattaya. That would not be good for future tourism every April. However, pretty sure most people go to Hua Hin to relax and not for Songkran.

[QUOTE=Malencho;2907131]Hello,

I am planning to take a trip sometime this year but before I do, I was wondering if you could provide some insight on hotels to pick? Girl friendly? Best spot closest to entertainment. I tried using expedia bit there are so many options. Are hotels closest to Soi 6 better? Should I stick closer to walking street? I don't want to go dirt cheap but not too expensive.[/QUOTE]If only there were a section here about Pattaya hotels. Then people could direct you to read that section.

[QUOTE=Malencho;2907131]Are hotels closest to Soi 6 better? Should I stick closer to walking street? I don't want to go dirt cheap but not too expensive.[/QUOTE]How can we answer these questions when we don't know what your plan of attack is for Pattaya? I guess the biggest clue in your question is you do not want to expensive so by that Walking Street gogo bars are likely out of your equation. So pick something near Soi 6, or Soi 7/8, or along Beach Road, or Treetown, or Myth Night Plaza, or along Soi Buakhao, or Soi 25 and meet up with Explorer.

Only you can answer your own question. We have no clue where you want to find girls in Pattaya and what your budget for girls and room are. For starters, read the Pattaya hotel thread as Explorer so eloquently directed you to.

Should be heading Pattaya again 3rd time soon.

Was wondering if anyone got experience in Japanes girls for fun there.

Seen a whole load but seem to be tourists.

[QUOTE=NemanLion;2907852]Should be heading Pattaya again 3rd time soon..[/QUOTE]The only girls that are legally allowed to work are the bars are Thai. Not sure how the Russians get around it, back door payments.

[QUOTE=NemanLion;2907852]Should be heading Pattaya again 3rd time soon..[/QUOTE]Just go to Japan.

Been in Pattaya a week. Had 1-3 girls a day. Method has all been online (Thaifriendly (mainly), Tinder, Bumble). These girls are pulling a lot of customers online. One showed me 3000 messages on TF and another who was bragging had over 9000 messages on Tinder. One girl said she been here 6 months, paid off 300,000 bhat loan, sends 30,000 to her mom every other month. While she says her friends drink and gamble their money away.

Been to Soi 6, LK Metro, Walking Street. Honestly, I can't see a difference in talent from what I score online. I'm not blown away by anything anywhere I been but I'm also a bit jaded because I travel, monger and date all over the world and I tend to favor curvy women. Doesn't mean girls are not pretty here because there is a lot of facial beauty. Especially if you not a eugenicists or Chinese imperial legalist and hung up on skin color. Girls are hyper aware of the skin color thing talking about how brown they are and saying they are chubby when the barely weight over 100 Lbs. Besides the self loathing that I don't like that has been stamped into their heads, they are super accommodating and once in the room they basically down for whatever besides the very hard no to anal LOL. I haven't paid more than 1200 for short time with most girls accepting 1000. Majority start at 1500 for ST and 2500 for LT. I did get the occasional 2000 or 3000 for ST and 4000-5000 LT. I just stop responding and don't negotiate. One girl told me they will accept 1000 if you are close to them and the taxi ride is not expensive. They have been extremely punctual which surprised me. I woke up at 3 am wanting to smash and a girl came within 15-20 minutes. And most stay more than an hour during short time where they like to talk and will allow you two shots. I haven't had any rushed service. Things have been good so far besides the scorching day time heat (barely go out in the day) and sewer smell everywhere. No real complaints.

[B]Solid report![/B] I have nothing to add on the factual details of your report. Although my opinions different on the subjective issues that you covered. I appreciate the time you to write and share your experiences with us.

[QUOTE=Global00;2908070]Been in Pattaya a week. Had 1-3 girls a day. Method has all been online (Thaifriendly (mainly), Tinder, Bumble). These girls are pulling a lot of customers online. One showed me 3000 messages on TF and another who was bragging had over 9000 messages on Tinder. One girl said she been here 6 months, paid off 300,000 bhat loan, sends 30,000 to her mom every other month. While she says her friends drink and gamble their money away.

Been to Soi 6, LK Metro, Walking Street. Honestly, I can't see a difference in talent from what I score online. I'm not blown away by anything anywhere I been but I'm also a bit jaded because I travel, monger and date all over the world and I tend to favor curvy women..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Global00;2908070]Been in Pattaya a week. Had 1-3 girls a day. Method has all been online (Thaifriendly (mainly), Tinder, Bumble). These girls are pulling a lot of customers online. One showed me 3000 messages on TF and another who was bragging had over 9000 messages on Tinder. One girl said she been here 6 months, paid off 300,000 bhat loan, sends 30,000 to her mom every other month. While she says her friends drink and gamble their money away.

Been to Soi 6, LK Metro, Walking Street. Honestly, I can't see a difference in talent from what I score online..[/QUOTE]No one cares about how much money the girls are making or how much money they tell you they're making. Stick to the info that matters to mongers.

[QUOTE=Global00;2908070]Been in Pattaya a week. Had 1-3 girls a day. Method has all been online (Thaifriendly (mainly), Tinder, Bumble). These girls are pulling a lot of customers online. One showed me 3000 messages on TF and another who was bragging had over 9000 messages on Tinder. One girl said she been here 6 months, paid off 300,000 bhat loan, sends 30,000 to her mom every other month. While she says her friends drink and gamble their money away.

Been to Soi 6, LK Metro, Walking Street. Honestly, I can't see a difference in talent from what I score online..[/QUOTE]Just to know that the ladies during April don't have nearly as many customers as during January, so they may charge less. Most trip reports here are from High Season, so cited prices are often extremely high. Because most customers come in December-January.

Don't expect to go to Soi 6 to get laid today. Expect to get wet.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2908020]Just go to Japan.[/QUOTE]Can you give us some leads on the places a Farang can get girls in Japan?

That makes sense. Thanks for the context.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2908116]Just to know that the ladies during April don't have nearly as many customers as during January, so they may charge less. Most trip reports here are from High Season, so cited prices are often extremely high. Because most customers come in December-January.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Global00;2908070]Been in Pattaya a week. Had 1-3 girls a day. Method has all been online (Thaifriendly (mainly), Tinder, Bumble). These girls are pulling a lot of customers online. One showed me 3000 messages on TF and another who was bragging had over 9000 messages on Tinder. One girl said she been here 6 months, paid off 300,000 bhat loan, sends 30,000 to her mom every other month. While she says her friends drink and gamble their money away.

...[/QUOTE]Excellent report.

1) I had no idea girls received so many messages. Now I know why I experience a dismal reply rate.

2) What do you attribute your response rate to? You inform them you are physically in Pattaya? Or you are younger than most mongers?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2908154]Can you give us some leads on the places a Farang can get girls in Japan?[/QUOTE]You know what I am going to write:

If there were only a section on Japan.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2908105]No one cares about how much money the girls are making or how much money they tell you they're making. Stick to the info that matters to mongers.[/QUOTE]Reports on how much the ladies are asking are welcome.

But a lot of guys want to know how much the ladies make. I suspect that the top tip of the pyramid (the 1%) is making astounding money, the top 10% enough to buy a house and a car and take care of their Thai Significant Other, and it goes steeply downhill from there. One top bargirl was sending her family 50,000 a month, but that included sponsorship money. Another lady was getting 300,000 per month from her sponsor, but I wouldn't fuck her for free.

I think what helps is just being here and being direct what you are looking for. I will say something like Hello. Hope all is well. What are you looking for? And that usually gets a response. But some just have so many messages it may be hard to get a quick response from them unless they liked your profile first which is a guaranteed reply. Like Explorer said in response to my post, it may be the timing that I'm here and there are not a lot of customers. When I'm out, I do see more girls than foreign guys even though alot of foreign dudes are here in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2908165]Excellent report.

1) I had no idea girls received so many messages. Now I know why I experience a dismal reply rate.

2) What do you attribute your response rate to? You inform them you are physically in Pattaya? Or you are younger than most mongers?[/QUOTE]

And I never asked them how much they make. It was really just pillow talk. Alot of these girls just like to talk about their lives. A few of them told me they just don't have a lot of friends here, some are lonely. So I just lay back in listen and give them the nods and umm hmm that I'm engaged. Least I can do for the pleasure they gave me.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2908236]Reports on how much the ladies are asking are welcome.

But a lot of guys want to know how much the ladies make. I suspect that the top tip of the pyramid (the 1%) is making astounding money, the top 10% enough to buy a house and a car and take care of their Thai Significant Other, and it goes steeply downhill from there. One top bargirl was sending her family 50,000 a month, but that included sponsorship money. Another lady was getting 300,000 per month from her sponsor, but I wouldn't fuck her for free.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2908154]Can you give us some leads on the places a Farang can get girls in Japan?[/QUOTE]

Quote form your post #56620 on 4/10/24 in the Bangkok thread: "This is something that has confused me for years with expats in Thailand. So many are so disgruntled with the hobby scene (price and girl quality) but still live in Thailand. I saw the demise coming in 2018 so moved to Japan even before COVID."

Why are you asking Explorer8939 for this information when you moved to Japan before Covid? You just fucking with him for some reason or you really haven't found out in all this time?

[B]Thai Friendly[/B] I have 871 unanswered messages in my in box (yes I just looked as I was writing this). No problems with girls responding to me.

[B]Beach Road[/B]

Best selection is between 2000 - 0400. The selection for me is crazy good. The girls fall into three tiers 1000,1500, 2000 and they do not negotiate. They have their prices and they stick to them. Excellent selection. Walk to the short time room. 250 for 2 hours. Clean room, clean towels, clean linen on the bed, brights lights and mirrors for great views. I like the experience!

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2908284]Why are you asking Explorer8939 for this information when you moved to Japan before Covid? You just fucking with him for some reason or you really haven't found out in all this time?[/QUOTE]

It never hurts for me to have further knowledge of Japan. There are many cities in Japan maybe he knows stuff I don't or will open my eyes to a new avenue I didn't think of. I can't ask?

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2908232]You know what I am going to write:

If there were only a section on Japan.[/QUOTE]

But alas this is the vague type of answer I expected from Explorer.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2908306]It never hurts for me to have further knowledge of Japan. There are many cities in Japan maybe he knows stuff I don't or will open my eyes to a new avenue I didn't think of. I can't ask?



But alas this is the vague type of answer I expected from Explorer.[/QUOTE]I was joking. I didn't think you were serious about asking for info on Japanese girls here in the Pattaya section.

Carry on.

[QUOTE=Global00;2908268]And I never asked them how much they make. It was really just pillow talk. Alot of these girls just like to talk about their lives. A few of them told me they just don't have a lot of friends here, some are lonely. So I just lay back in listen and give them the nods and umm hmm that I'm engaged. Least I can do for the pleasure they gave me.[/QUOTE]Actually, that's a bit of a problem for me. Some ladies have so many friends that they are constantly talking with them on the phone. If it gets out of hand, I demand they shut off the phone.

One lady I know has the problem that she gets sad calls from friends and family, usually about money, so that she gets distraught for the rest of the night. So I tell that lady to turn off her phone when she walks into my condo.

And then there are the ladies who check Tinder and TF, to see the 100's of lonely guys who want to talk.

Another lady doesn't have many friends, so I introduced her to another bargirl, now they are inseperable, and the first lady will videocall the other while we are in bed.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2908306]It never hurts for me to have further knowledge of Japan. There are many cities in Japan maybe he knows stuff I don't or will open my eyes to a new avenue I didn't think of. I can't ask?

But alas this is the vague type of answer I expected from Explorer.[/QUOTE]Explorer8939 has never said he is an expert on Japan, he has never posted in the Japan section and his posts in the Thailand section show him spending 4 days in Japan in January with a Thai woman, so he is not likely to know about places you don't.

Regarding his post, his "vague" answer is the appropriate answer to someone who asks for Japan information on the Thailand forum.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2908372]Explorer8939 has never said he is an expert on Japan, he has never posted in the Japan section and his posts in the Thailand section show him spending 4 days in Japan in January with a Thai woman, so he is not likely to know about places you don't.

Regarding his post, his "vague" answer is the appropriate answer to someone who asks for Japan information on the Thailand forum.[/QUOTE]Explorer seems to be an expert in being with Thai women in other countries. Like bringing a Thai woman to Brazil, which seems to me like bringing coal to Newcastle.

I agree that off-topic postings are better left non-answered in any thread.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2908372]Regarding his post, his "vague" answer is the appropriate answer to someone who asks for Japan information on the Thailand forum.[/QUOTE]You're missing the point. ALL his posts are vague like a Penthouse Forum.

They're also only to teach guys like me who buy Hamster Coffins for girls that I'm a loser for Sponsoring them 1000 baht. Yet it's ok for him to gallivant all the major monger hot spots in the world WITH A GIRL!

I believe it. For a low effort monger like me, I enjoy having all those options at my fingertips even if they not all stunners (which is subjective anyway). A quick video call on Line or WhatsApp to verify what they look like without all the filters they use, chat them up a bit to see what they are willing to do, and you have a very relaxing, pleasurable morning, afternoon and / or evening romp.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2908293][B]Thai Friendly[/B] I have 871 unanswered messages in my in box (yes I just looked as I was writing this). No problems with girls responding to me.[/QUOTE]

It's odd that nobody is mentioning the ongoing disaster in Pattaya known as "Songkran". Soi 6 looks like a war zone.

I escaped from Pattaya, with a Thai lady, but she is returning to play water tomorrow.

I can't imagine going out and try to barfine a lady under these conditions.

I am back in Pattaya after Songkran ends.

Which hotels do short time room? (new here).

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2908295][B]Beach Road[/B]

Best selection is between 2000 - 0400. The selection for me is crazy good. The girls fall into three tiers 1000,1500, 2000 and they do not negotiate. They have their prices and they stick to them. Excellent selection. Walk to the short time room. 250 for 2 hours. Clean room, clean towels, clean linen on the bed, brights lights and mirrors for great views. I like the experience![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2908481]It's odd that nobody is mentioning the ongoing disaster in Pattaya known as "Songkran". Soi 6 looks like a war zone.

I escaped from Pattaya, with a Thai lady, but she is returning to play water tomorrow.

I can't imagine going out and try to barfine a lady under these conditions.

I am back in Pattaya after Songkran ends.[/QUOTE]Walking street is the same. Hurting business really hard. Second evening already. And watershit goes on untill 3-4 am.

[QUOTE=Global00;2908456]I believe it. For a low effort monger like me, I enjoy having all those options at my fingertips even if they not all stunners (which is subjective anyway). A quick video call on Line or WhatsApp to verify what they look like without all the filters they use, chat them up a bit to see what they are willing to do, and you have a very relaxing, pleasurable morning, afternoon and / or evening romp.[/QUOTE]Real recognize real. There are the critics who hate. Then we have brothers like you that participate.

[I]Thai Friendly[/I] all the pussy you can fuck delivered to your door, 24/07/365 prices range between 600 - 5000 THB. Choose your price point.

[B]Who up in here has a problem with dat?[/B]

[QUOTE=SeaShanty;2908495]Which hotels do short time room? (new here).[/QUOTE]Do you have "boots on the ground"? I can show you or you can just walk up to any girl on Beach Road, make a deal and she will show you. One of my favorites is on Soi 13/1. Called the Love Time Inn.

[B]The Cmdr continues to provide useful intelligence on having sex with girls in Pattaya while others just talk shit![/B] And you know who you are. LOL!

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2908683]......Now, I would not recommend Thai Friendly to someone looking for a long term relationship. I recommend that they learn to speak Thai. Learn Thai culture. And while you are at it, hit the gym and get some decent clothes tailored for you. In other words, bring your A game. That means you got to step your game up. Then head out into the countryside and find a girl that is not interested in the Bangkok or Pattaya lifestyle.....[/QUOTE]In my last visit to Bangkok 2015 I decided to fool around with DIA and met this 36 year old Thai lady single with no children. She did not smoke, drink or party and had no tattoos. She told me never to shop at malls as they are too expensive and she said the cheap restaurants are the best but you must know which ones to go to. She never let me spend a bad Baht and never asked for money. She was as genuine as they come.

I just had an agency girl stay with me. She had loads of stories of guys who way overpaid for her, 10,000 baht overnighters and the like.

Plus losers sending her money for nothing. Needless to say, I wasn't paying 10,000 a night for her.

Anyone in Pattaya should notice that it's very hot right now, and that the heat is going to increase when Songkran ends. Unfortunately, I get back to Pattaya when Songkran ends.

So my mongering strategy is definitely going to require the ladies come to my air conditioned condo. No way am I going to be out wandering the bars in the heat.

Soi 6 is not relaxing.

I spent 2 weeks on Soi 6. Hated it and I was not the only one.

BIg 6 foot tall strong guy has a tall chubby girl jump up on him and both their balances get thrown off. In slow motion they fall flat to Earth. As in lying flat down on the pavement.

I saw a married couple in their upper 30's with the guy wearing a big full backpack at the end of Soi 6. He tells his wife to make sure the girls do not attack him. Basically, he wanted her to play the part of the blocker on a football team for the runner.

Two guys in their 30's wanted to walk from Beach Road to Second Street. They looked down Soi 6 and decided to take the next street. They chose to avoid sexy girls because the girls are such a pain in the.

I saw many guys at both ends of Soi 6 building up the nerve to run the gauntlet the first time or to return back. Kinda like you are about to go underwater and you are taking big deep breaths before you dive under.

If I walk slow the girls grab my arm and sometimes my nutz. And not in an enjoyable way. Rubbing my junk slow and soft is great, but they grab fast and hard making me jump back most the time. It is not a slow soft pulling of the arm but a hard firm death grip. I was shocked at the force and number of girls that were pulling some really big guys towards their bar. One pulls and the other pushes. You could see the shock in so many of these guys faces saying WTF! Many guys were smiling with all this happening but I could tell the way they jerked their arms away they were feed up and the girls were clueless and laughing unaware. Sometimes I had to use a lot of force jerking my hand or arm away to pass by. But if I use too much force or get mad then that girl and girls at that bar will get angry and not want to "F" me. In addition, I am always on alert for my phone or cash being pick pocketed so I find it all a bit stressful. If the girl comes and hugs you and one of the multitude of girls behind you grab your wallet / cell you have no idea which one. Chance is super rare I know but I can not simply drop my guard.

This was the pattern for me. The first time the girls "attack" it is fun and entertaining because it is a new experience. Few days later (or 7 time walking thru) it is annoying. Soon after it is dread. If you walk slow to look at the girls and choose which bar to sit at then the number of girls attacking increases with each decrease in my walking speed. If I walk too fast I can not get a good look at the girls or choose which bar to sit at. If I walk in the middle of the road I nearly get hit my motorcycles or cars. Soi 6 should be walking only 6 pm to midnight!

I know there are some guys that love it because they have low self esteem. OMG! OMG! A pretty girl talked to me! OMG! OMG! A pretty girl touched me! Wish I was one of you to tolerate the "Sht Show".

What a stupid business model where guys dread walking down a street full of sexy women. Next time you go. See how many Asian customers you see drinking in the Soi 6 bars. Not many. Many walk thru the street like they are walking down a circus side show, but few stay. Most Asians (especially Koreans and Japanese) do not like this behavior. The few Asians I see seem to prefer to sit on the opposite side of the Nightwish group of bars with the calmer ladies not pulling at them.

In addition, the girls sometimes are not happy to give up their front row seating overlooking Soi 6 for customers. Some acted mildly shocked I wanted to sit front and center to watch the parade walking up and down the street versus sitting in the back of the bar. So much for "Welcaaaahhhmm". So stupid that none of the bedrooms upstairs have trash cans for used condoms. Place in tissue and throw in garbage can in the bargirls bathroom on your way out. Also, no shelves and very few hooks to hang your clothes so either had to place on the bed or on the floor.

When walking down this street I have to worry about being pick pocketed, hit in the nutz with their hand, hit in the nutz or eye when beaten with their foam beat sticks, getting my shirt possibly ripped when I try to escape their evil clutches, possibly hurting them when I use force to pry away, pissing off one aggressive girl making my escape and thus losing the ability to sexing one of other girls in the bar that I actually want, and avoiding getting hit by motos and cars. Fun fun!

Passions bar. I swear the room on the left had only a bed sheet covering the bedsprings. I am a small guy and my knees and elbow hurt when the metal pressed into me.

The top 5 girls pretty much turned me down. First one wanted 2000 which seemed high. I should have paid it but it was my first day getting used to the game there. I tried to tease her the next day I saw her but she did not understand dry humor so looked angry so I walked away. Second one was one week new and said she had menstruation. Maybe maybe not. Third one would not tell me how much when I asked. She told me to buy her a drink so I passed on that. Not a happy vibe. But she was a "9" and she knew it. She goes out when she wants and with whom she wants. Fourth one only did Asians. Fifth can not remember.

Most of you guys never tell the tales about the other side of the coin so I did.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2908295][B]Beach Road[/B]
Best selection is between 2000 - 0400. The selection for me is crazy good. Excellent selection. [/QUOTE]I hit Beach Road last month. You basically listed the entire time they are out as the best times. Very few if any out in the heat of the day. Best by 8:00 to 12:00 maybe 1:00. I had 11 girls and only proud of 4. Can I borrow your beer goggles?

FYI If you are that impressed by the Beach Road women then the SOI 6 girls (average 5-7 years younger) will simply make you cream in your jeans. Plus, there are at least 3 times as many girls in at least one-third the area.

Wow you explained the soi 6 scene so dramatically as if its a street in Yemen or Syria. If you want to avoid the hustle and bustle of it you can always roam around Pratumnak hill.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2909404]Soi 6 is not relaxing.

I spent 2 weeks on Soi 6. Hated it and I was not the only one.

BIg 6 foot tall strong guy has a tall chubby girl jump up on him and both their balances get thrown off. In slow motion they fall flat to Earth. As in lying flat down on the pavement.

I saw a married couple in their upper 30's with the guy wearing a big full backpack at the end of Soi 6. He tells his wife to make sure the girls do not attack him. Basically, he wanted her to play the part of the blocker on a football team for the runner..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2908284]Quote form your post #56620 on 4/10/24 in the Bangkok thread: "This is something that has confused me for years with expats in Thailand. So many are so disgruntled with the hobby scene (price and girl quality) but still live in Thailand. I saw the demise coming in 2018 so moved to Japan even before COVID."

Why are you asking Explorer8939 for this information when you moved to Japan before Covid? You just fucking with him for some reason or you really haven't found out in all this time?[/QUOTE]Banana Boi in the Jakarta section.

February 17,2024 Post 17448 BB did a trip report.

April 16,2024 Post 17648 Two months later BB "In Jakarta, that criteria is young under 23, fairly slim, large natural tits, and a way better than average cute face. Say I have some game and am not old, is this what I will find in Lokasari when I return next month?

I think he may be a story teller. How much of the bar, street, or online scene can change that quickly? Why would he even have to ask that question if he has already been there? He would know what his game and not so old would get him.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2909417]I think he may be a story teller. How much of the bar, street, or online scene can change that quickly? Why would he even have to ask that question if he has already been there? He would know what his game and not so old would get him.[/QUOTE]Yes, everything on ISG I have ever written is only a story. All 50+ ISG members I have ever met were all made up and are all story tellers too because they must be fake if I met them. You have caught me. I have never set foot in Thailand like a few big posters in the Thailand threads.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2909417]Banana Boi in the Jakarta section.

February 17,2024 Post 17448 BB did a trip report.

April 16,2024 Post 17648 Two months later BB "In Jakarta, that criteria is young under 23, fairly slim, large natural tits, and a way better than average cute face. Say I have some game and am not old, is this what I will find in Lokasari when I return next month?[/QUOTE]

edit - I didn't even read this part of your post until now. I don't even understand what your point is. Yes, I was in Jakarta in February and made trip reports. I am one of the few regular posters on here who do trip reports with names of bars. Then you quote me asking a legitimate question to a guy who posted there are decent looking girls in Lokasari. I haven't been to Lokasari since 2016! I asked since his post contradicted all things I know about the current state of Lokasari. Then somehow from this you concluded my trip reports from February, 2024 are story telling?

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2909404]Soi 6 is not relaxing.

I spent 2 weeks on Soi 6. Hated it and I was not the only one.

BIg 6 foot tall strong guy has a tall chubby girl jump up on him and both their balances get thrown off. In slow motion they fall flat to Earth. As in lying flat down on the pavement.

I saw a married couple in their upper 30's with the guy wearing a big full backpack at the end of Soi 6. He tells his wife to make sure the girls do not attack him. Basically, he wanted her to play the part of the blocker on a football team for the runner.

Two guys in their 30's wanted to walk from Beach Road to Second Street. They looked down Soi 6 and decided to take the next street. They chose to avoid sexy girls because the girls are such a pain in the.

I saw many guys at both ends of Soi 6 building up the nerve to run the gauntlet the first time or to return back. Kinda like you are about to go underwater and you are taking big deep breaths before you dive under.

If I walk slow the girls grab my arm and sometimes my nutz. And not in an enjoyable way. Rubbing my junk slow and soft is great, but they grab fast and hard making me jump back most the time. It is not a slow soft pulling of the arm but a hard firm death grip. I was shocked at the force and number of girls that were pulling some really big guys towards their bar. One pulls and the other pushes. You could see the shock in so many of these guys faces saying WTF! Many guys were smiling with all this happening but I could tell the way they jerked their arms away they were feed up and the girls were clueless and laughing unaware. Sometimes I had to use a lot of force jerking my hand or arm away to pass by. But if I use too much force or get mad then that girl and girls at that bar will get angry and not want to "F" me. In addition, I am always on alert for my phone or cash being pick pocketed so I find it all a bit stressful. If the girl comes and hugs you and one of the multitude of girls behind you grab your wallet / cell you have no idea which one. Chance is super rare I know but I can not simply drop my guard.[/QUOTE]If you hate Soi 6 so much, why did you spend two weeks there? LOL. You're a funny dude.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2909404]Soi 6 is not relaxing.

I spent 2 weeks on Soi 6. Hated it and I was not the only one.

Most of you guys never tell the tales about the other side of the coin so I did.[/QUOTE]Great review! And I agree 100% I avoid soi6 like the plague. The music in those bars is loud and terrible. 95% of the girls I wouldn't fuck for free (especially when you walk there daytime! SO yeah agree it feels more like a tourist trap (maybe compare it to the RLD in Amsterdam) than a true monger spot. Of course there will be guys who like it (same for RLD / Amsterdam) but def not my cup of tea.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2909406]I hit Beach Road last month. You basically listed the entire time they are out as the best times. [/QUOTE]Yes I did. Because I roam the street from those times and have found selections that I like during those hours.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2909406]Very few if any out in the heat of the day. [/QUOTE]Thank you for stating the obvious. No one wants to be out in the heat of the day. The massage girls tend to sit inside during the afternoon also. You have noticed that haven't you?

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2909406]Best by 8:00 to 12:00 maybe 1:00.[/QUOTE]Thank you for sharing your opinion. It is not a fact.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2909406]I had 11 girls and only proud of 4.[/QUOTE]I am very sorry you are not proud of your efforts as a professional [B]TRICK[/B] on beach road. FYI, I understand the girls on Soi 6 are better for you. That begs the question as to why you were on beach road in the first place and where is your original report? I must have missed it.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2909406]Can I borrow your beer goggles?[/QUOTE]Not possible. Because I do let alcohol affect me while I am in the streets. The only time I drink is to have one with a lady in a bar or gentleman's club (my actual preferred venue) to hang out and get to know her.

Can I borrow the part of your personality laced with bitter sarcasm? Nah, you can keep that. I am good.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2909406]FYI If you are that impressed by the Beach Road women then the SOI 6 girls (average 5-7 years younger) will simply make you cream in your jeans.[/QUOTE]Anyone who has been reading my posts here knows I focus on the deal and not the girl. Performance is more important to me than appearance. Everyone knows this. I evaluate by price point. Give me a 6 who performs in the bedroom over a 10 that is dead fish and just shows up and thinks she can get by on her beauty. If you do not like the way Thai girls look (and I know you prefer Colombianas), why did you come here anyway?

The girls of Beach Road have performed in an outstanding manner for me. Have offered up their friends for me to go with and do threesomes with. You see, it is precisely because of negative posters and responses like you I do not share my total experiences. I know how excited visitors like you get when the chance to tell a story of your exploits presents itself. That is not me. I like to keep it real and focused on useful intelligence for my readers.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2909406]Plus, there are at least 3 times as many girls in at least one-third the area.[/QUOTE]Your dick, your money, your preferences. What makes you think that I would like anything that you like. Have you ever met me?

Do you really think you need to tell me about Soi 6? If you do then you must have had [I]forty drinks[/I] before you responded to my post.

Your response to my post contains a lot of assumptions. All of them incorrect as I have pointed out to you. I am not critical of others who provide information in the forum. You need to learn that your way of looking at things is not the only way to look at things. You need to write in a more respectable manner in your responses in the [B]Pattaya Reports[/B] thread.

I am glad you enjoy Soi 6. Oh no! You did not enjoy Soi 6. Wait, wait! You spent two weeks on Soi 6 but you did not enjoy it. At what point did you figure out that you did not enjoy it? I know about Soi 6. After the initial shock now I know what to expect I like Soi 6. Especially to fuck or get my dick sucked. A change of venue. But I agree with the following statement:

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2909404]Soi 6 is not relaxing.[/QUOTE]Actually was a very informative report from your perspective. But what is up with the racism about who likes and does not like Soi 6? Although you get some of the factual things about Soi 6 correct, I completely disagree with your opinions and projections about the types of guys that goto Soi 6.

The statement you made that I would enjoy Soi 6 better in your response to me is completely contradictory to the report you filed right before your response to me.

Anyone who does not like Pattaya, Thailand should goto Medellin, Colombia. Why in the world did you fly half way around the world when you had everything that you like right at your fingertips?

[B]Medellin Colombia is great![/B] According to you, better looking girls and lower prices. What is that place called that you like so much? Central. Apologies if I am wrong. Maybe I like it so much. Yep, been there. It is set up like Beach Road. Short term hotels. A wide variety of prostitutes looking for customers. Many very attractive. Others not so much. In fact you put out inaccurate information about the place in order to discourage other mongers from visiting. Isn't that true? Is that what you are doing now?

Now, all reading your reports know your biases. I hope you enjoy your next stop in SEA more.

[B]How you like me now?[/B]

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2909432]If you hate Soi 6 so much, why did you spend two weeks there? LOL. You're a funny dude.[/QUOTE]Sometimes you go somewhere and you love it for the first 2 weeks but then reality soon hits. The honeymoon phase passes and you realize it was not so great. Example is you go to the beach which is fun as hell for 2 weeks but then boring. Other times you hate a place during the first 2 weeks but then suddenly everything clicks and things fall into place and you end up liking it. My plan was 2 months. I gave up after 5 weeks and got out before Songkran hit. I needed to give the online, street girls, and SOI 6 a decent try. I am searching for a retirement location and checking out several countries.

SOI 6 could be so much fun if the girls would simple just relax and not have 7+ girls jump in front of you blocking your path every time you walk down the street. I was chatting to a bar manager off to the side and one of the girls was bothering him like he was a tourist. He told her he was a bar manager and she still did not stop. Amazing! Everyone posts how wonderful it is but never the downside. I mentioned before the guy I met whose friends told him he just had to go to Pattaya and he had the exact response as me. But he had less time so he went to try the Philippines after a 6 day try.

SubCmdr. Asians are generally more reserved and do not require the outward attention other races require. Hardly racist. Now this is racist. Have you ever scene a group of Asians (especially Japanese or Korean) behave like a group from another certain race? I did not even have to say which one did I? The answer by the way is: Eskimos.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2909497]Sometimes you go somewhere and you love it for the first 2 weeks but then reality soon hits. The honeymoon phase passes and you realize it was not so great. Example is you go to the beach which is fun as hell for 2 weeks but then boring. Other times you hate a place during the first 2 weeks but then suddenly everything clicks and things fall into place and you end up liking it. My plan was 2 months. I gave up after 5 weeks and got out before Songkran hit. I needed to give the online, street girls, and SOI 6 a decent try. I am searching for a retirement location and checking out several countries.

SOI 6 could be so much fun if the girls would simple just relax and not have 7+ girls jump in front of you blocking your path every time you walk down the street. I was chatting to a bar manager off to the side and one of the girls was bothering him like he was a tourist. He told her he was a bar manager and she still did not stop. Amazing! Everyone posts how wonderful it is but never the downside. I mentioned before the guy I met whose friends told him he just had to go to Pattaya and he had the exact response as me. But he had less time so he went to try the Philippines after a 6 day try.

SubCmdr. Asians are generally more reserved and do not require the outward attention other races require. Hardly racist. Now this is racist. Have you ever scene a group of Asians (especially Japanese or Korean) behave like a group from another certain race? I did not even have to say which one did I? The answer by the way is: Eskimos.[/QUOTE]Do you mean Inupiat, Yupik, Geenland Inuit.

Or Aleuts?

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2909497]I was chatting to a bar manager off to the side and one of the girls was bothering him like he was a tourist. He told her he was a bar manager and she still did not stop. Amazing![/QUOTE]A bar owner around there is a nobody. Some of them are even begging for drinks, the same way the girls are doing.

It's not a surprise she was not impressed by his response.

Where would 90% of Beach Road girls fit in other countries with street prostitution? I think they would be found doing tricks in bushes outside of town or underneath motorway interchange bridges. The infamous Jakarta railroad tracks come to mind.

Now it was a long time I hadn't as much as walked along Beach Road after 8 pm. I did so shortly before Songkran and was at first surprised to see a handful of doable girls. My surprise must have had to do with Soi 6 having gone down in the meantime though.

Soi 6 in early to mid-afternoon had always be my reference (I have no idea of Soi 6 after dark). The quality of Soi 6 in early to mid-afternoon having gone down, Beach Road struck me as not to be written off entirely.

Note that the doable girls on Beach Road seemed to have taken a cue from Soi 6's best-looking girls. They turned their back and/or stayed with their nose glued to their smartphones in order to signal unavailability and underscore their own-perceived immense worth.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2908481]It's odd that nobody is mentioning the ongoing disaster in Pattaya known as "Songkran". Soi 6 looks like a war zone.

I escaped from Pattaya, with a Thai lady, but she is returning to play water tomorrow.

I can't imagine going out and try to barfine a lady under these conditions.

I am back in Pattaya after Songkran ends.[/QUOTE]I experienced Songkran only once in Pattaya. And it was a total disaster. Almost all people seemed to lose respect and they used water violence to people who didn't want to play with water. The worst thing I witnessed was when we waited a baht-bus drive, a bunch of vandals throw water with all their aggressions and there were 2 small children in the baht-bus. Those small children became terrified completely and their parents could not protect them against those water-vandals. I can still remember how those children cried in the baht-bus, even it was 9 years ago.

I will never ever come to Thailand in April.

Is this a Pattaya girl that someone can help me find?

[URL]https://www.xvideos.com/video.ktuotp...s_on_thai_babe[/URL]

[QUOTE=BHawk;2909770]Is this a Pattaya girl that someone can help me find?

[URL]https://www.xvideos.com/video.ktuotp...s_on_thai_babe[/URL][/QUOTE]May have been leading to some White Knight having her video taken down.

Did you get some screen caps for us?

[B]Maggie Mays[/B] (a gentleman's club).

Lady drink 155 THB; Room 400 THB; Selection of girls ok. Do not like the set up. Did not like the room. Not a place for me to hang out. Quality of my experience with the prostitute I selected: Good!

Ventured into LK for the first time in ages last night. Sorry, those group of clubs and bars aren't my cup of tea. Checked out Las Vegas and Fever. Mom said if I have nothing nice to say, then don't say anything at all.

But hey, at least my drink was only 80 baht. Yay!

[B]Kink (agogo) LK Metro[/B]

Entered and went to the 2nd level. Got a nice table right in front of the stage. Ordered a drink. Scanned the girls in the club. When I enter a club I only need to find one that is attractive to me. I do not worry about what my mates that I am rolling with think. Caught the eye of a lovely Thai girl with the body of a Latina. She moved like that also. Complete nakedness is what I like to see when I am in a club. That or sexy outfits. So, the (mamason) is selling packets of 20 THB notes. I get one and start having fun with them. Tipping the girl that caught my eye.

Then the best part occurs! All the girls get on stage and it lowers. Oh yeah! A show to behold and I am taking those 20 THB notes and making it rain. Stage comes back up and the girl I have my eye one comes over to me naked and sits down. I get her a drink and the getting aquatinted phase starts. Chemistry is hella good! But the prices to take that chemistry beyond the club are not. She heads back on stage. More tipping and fun like that. She comes back over to the table. Another drink. The Cmdr is getting weak. But he just cannot justify the numbers to make it happen. She heads back on stage. It lowers again. I finish making it rain with the remaining 20 THB notes that I have. After I run out, I exit stage right.

Prices? I have no idea. When I go out to have fun; I do not worry about chump change money like drink prices. I go out to have fun! Besides it is not like I am going to buy 40 drinks. One or two for me and one or two for the girl that interests me and I'm good. I had a great time! I will return. Further reports of my adventures in the [B]LK Metro[/B] area to follow.

[I]Live long and may the pussy be with you, always![/I]

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2909404]Soi 6 is not relaxing.

I spent 2 weeks on Soi 6. Hated it and I was not the only one.
[/QUOTE]The wonder of Pattaya is the plethora of choices, and not a universally guaranteed high quality of girls and services. The reason there are so many choices of venue types and sub-types is that each has it's own customer base. "One man's trash is another man's treasure", as the saying goes. So I am also puzzled why you would stick to one place instead of exploring the other ones. 2 weeks would be barely enough to try out enough places to conclude there is nothing in town to your liking!

Personally, I don't see any allure in Soi 6. Last time I was there, the girls were young, but pretty ugly. I can find a lot of 30-35 year-old women in town who are more physically attractive! Plus, younger girls (especially the hot ones) tend to be much more disinterested, moody and laser-focused on fleecing you, without necessarily making you happy along the way. And the service was industrial-level mechanical!

But that's just me! Others have other viewpoints, and that's fine! Sometime places also change: my favourite place from last time went downhill so much, that this time one visit was enough.

I was hoping Pattaya would be quieter after Songkran, but I had to wait 15 minutes for a Bolt taxi.

Maybe tomorrow (Monday) will be the start of Low Season, but last year, it was busy until May 1.

After being disappointed from what I saw at LK, I was a bit desperate for the rest of the night. I had already popped at WS earlier and time was running out on the rigidity of my hardness. Found a not so pretty, may even call her ugly, but please don't call her homely, girl off TF. It was a last ditch effort to salvage my evening. Charmed her with my famous pick up line I always use. She wanted mucho dinero for ST above the 2000 range, but not more than 3000. Maybe she was offended by my smile or the gangs signs I threw in my pics. Still gave me her LINE contact though. With that, I offered her 4 K to make a homemade porn flick with camera close ups and all. She hopped right on over. Add one more to my Noodle Mag account. That salvaged my night. Desperate time calls for desperate measures. Even esthetically challenge girls like her need to eat. I was happy to have given money to feed herself for a few weeks. Afterwards, I was broke as a bum, so I ate some chicken hot-dogs from 7-11 with siracha mayo. Sabrosito! Tomorrow, I will go to the temple and beg for rice and a box of Mama noodles.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2909888][B]Kink (agogo) LK Metro[/B] Complete nakedness is what I like to see when I am in a club. That or sexy outfits.

Then the best part occurs! All the girls get on stage and it lowers. Oh yeah! A show to behold and I am taking those 20 THB notes and making it rain. I get her a drink and the getting aquatinted phase starts. Chemistry is hella good! But the prices to take that chemistry beyond the club are not. The Cmdr is getting weak. But he just cannot justify the numbers to make it happen.

Prices? I have no idea. When I go out to have fun; I do not worry about chump change money like drink prices. I go out to have fun!
[/QUOTE]Confused. Were you more thrilled that ALL the girls got on stage or that the stage went up and down?

You could not justify the prices to take her home. You just could not justify the numbers to make it happen. Next you try to tell us that you had no idea what the prices were and when you go out to have fun you do not worry about chump change.

You do not see the issue with your post? Curious why you do not inform us about the price of the girl at that bar because that would actually be some real intel.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2910010]Confused. Were you more thrilled that ALL the girls got on stage or that the stage went up and down?[/QUOTE]The only way you could be confused is if you have never been to Kink. Is that the case?

[B]I am confused by your confusion.[/B] The answer to your question is here:

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2909888][B]Kink (agogo) LK Metro[/B]
Then the best part occurs! All the girls get on stage and it lowers. Oh yeah! [b]A show to behold and I am taking those 20 THB notes and making it rain.[/b][/QUOTE][B]I do not know how to put it any clearer in the English language than that![/B]

If I put out exactly what I actually saw on the stage it would spoil it. In my opinion it is:

[QUOTE=LocalExplorer;2909922]The wonder of Pattaya is the plethora of choices,[/QUOTE]The man is giving you some ALPHA here.

[QUOTE=LocalExplorer;2909922]The reason there are so many choices of venue types and sub-types is that each has its own customer base. "One man's trash is another man's treasure", as the saying goes. So I am also puzzled why you would stick to one place instead of exploring the other ones. 2 weeks would be barely enough to try out enough places to conclude there is nothing in town to your liking![/QUOTE][B]I tip my hat to you LocalExplorer[/B] This is a straight drop the bat and watch walk off home run.

Quote:"Desperate time calls for desperate measures. Even esthetically challenge girls like her need to eat. I was happy to have given money to feed herself for a few weeks. Afterwards, I was broke as a bum, so I ate some chicken hot-dogs from 7-11 with siracha mayo. ".

Maybe senor Mexicant could poste a picture or two of himself so that the readers of this forum get a better understanding of his standarts.

LP from the Holy City of Pattaya.

So hotel occupancy was down in Pattaya during Songkran.

Rich Kings and Queens didn't show up like they thought.

Lots of Rice Farmers did show up though. Was it any Surprise.

I saw on Livestream lots of Ugly Portly Thai Woman's having the time of their lives. So there's that.

Waiting for BOLT taxi: 5 minutes. No more having Baht Bus pass me because they are packed. I am having to wait for the Baht Bus to leave at start of route points.

Foot traffic on Beach Road is much lower. The amount of customers in my favorite restaurants are lower. High season is over in my Pattaya.

Today is April 22,2024.

In order to provide better intelligence about prices for those who seek it: The baht bas costs 10 THB.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2909940]I was hoping Pattaya would be quieter after Songkran, but I had to wait 15 minutes for a Bolt taxi.

Maybe tomorrow (Monday) will be the start of Low Season, but last year, it was busy until May 1.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2910255]Waiting for BOLT taxi: 5 minutes. No more having Baht Bus pass me because they are packed. I am having to wait for the Baht Bus to leave at start of route points.

Foot traffic on Beach Road is much lower. The amount of customers in my favorite restaurants are lower. High season is over in my Pattaya.

Today is April 22,2024.

In order to provide better intelligence about prices for those who seek it: The baht bas costs 10 THB.[/QUOTE]Thanks. This is a much clearer picture of whether it is busy or not in Pattaya. As opposed to "I had to wait one time 15 minutes for a Bolt so that means Pattaya is so busy. ".

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2910394]Thanks. This is a much clearer picture of whether it is busy or not in Pattaya. As opposed to "I had to wait one time 15 minutes for a Bolt so that means Pattaya is so busy. ".[/QUOTE]Post Songkran, wait times for Bolt are very reasonable. But traffic is still terrible, probably due to Chinese tour buses, but also population growth in Pattaya.

I taxied it to Maggie Mays yesterday, and was surprised to see yet another cousin of Honey / Cindy / Plai working there (the ladies from Laos). Looking around Soi Pothole, it wasn't quiet, still plenty of customers.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2910394]Thanks. This is a much clearer picture of whether it is busy or not in Pattaya. As opposed to "I had to wait one time 15 minutes for a Bolt so that means Pattaya is so busy. ".[/QUOTE]Is Bolt less than 10 baht. Hahaha.

In the many moons I've been going to Pattaya worrying about space on baht bus is not even a Concern.

Once I'll got passed by a Bus with 30 indians. Outlier peep.

Hello.

Is there a place like Phrom Phong Bangkok but in Pattaya.

I mean not really a massage shop, most likely a small soapy parlor.

A place where there are like 10 girls. You chose one and the price and you go upstair in a room do your things.

[B]Transportation[/B]

The Baht Bus is great if your destination is on or within walking distance of the route.

If all you are doing is hanging out in the tourist district of central Pattaya, there is no reason to worry about space on the Baht Bus. If fact, there is never a reason to worry about space on the Baht Bus. If it is full you just wait for the next one. But head into greater Pattaya during high season and you will experience what I have described in previous posts about the having Baht Busses pass you because they are packed with people.

[B]Bolt[/B] is great. Door to door service. Comfortable. Of course if you cannot afford to use it stick with the Baht Bus. I have never paid more than 200 THB for a ride to my destination via Bolt. During my time in Pattaya, the cost difference between the Baht Bus and Bolt has never been a concern or worry of mine. When I am loaded down with packages (because of a shopping spree where I am getting respect for my cards like in the movie Pretty Woman) after shopping with my Thai girl, it makes sense not to pile onto the Bath Bus. Someone mentioned it is hot in Pattaya now. They were right.

Does the Bhat Bus have air conditioning?

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2910394]Thanks. This is a much clearer picture of whether it is busy or not in Pattaya. As opposed to "I had to wait one time 15 minutes for a Bolt so that means Pattaya is so busy. ".[/QUOTE]Before and during Songkran, wait times for Bolt were interminable. Now Bolt is quick and cheap.

It's the usual Low Season vs High Season situation.

Today I make a detour to Ban Chang for a one night stay.

Before Covid, Ban Chang had a thriving bar scene, but the post-Covid scene was very quiet. I'll take another look today.

One note: getting to Ban Chang from Pattaya is much easier with the new freeway and Bolt taxi. And cheaper, too.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2911012]Today I make a detour to Ban Chang for a one night stay.[/QUOTE]How many girls are you taking with you?

I am meeting one lady from Sattahip at my hotel in Ban Chang. We will drink and fuck in the room, and then hit the bars afterwards, she is looking for a bar job.

She was talking about having some friends drive to Ban Chang to go to the bars, but the logistics probably won't work out.

This is probably the best time to hit the Pattaya bars (ignoring the heat), because there aren't many customers, but most ladies haven't gone home yet. The bars that were staffed up for High Season are filled with bored ladies now.

The only downside is that the top tier ladies are still booked up, either with customers still around, or they are sponsored up by lonely guys who went home months ago.

Sometimes I get messages from top tier ladies who don't have a customer, and so they have to undergo the inconvenience of finding one.

So, in preparation for my trip to Ban Chang, I sent the bargirl money so she can pay her barfine (1,000 baht) and meet me in Ban Chang.

I checked in to the hotel. And then she messaged me that she's sick, and can't make it.

Most likely, she took a free day from work, and her husband wanted her to stay home.

The true test is whether she sends me back the 1000 baht. If not, she lost a customer.

Anyway, I will hit the Ban Chang bars soon.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2911012]Today I make a detour to Ban Chang for a one night stay.

Before Covid, Ban Chang had a thriving bar scene, but the post-Covid scene was very quiet. I'll take another look today.

One note: getting to Ban Chang from Pattaya is much easier with the new freeway and Bolt taxi. And cheaper, too.[/QUOTE]There's also a regular Wednesday bar crawl to Ban Chang by minibus (tickets from Babylon Club and Babylon Paradise Lounge). About $20 if memory serves me right. The ticket includes a free bar-fine for either venue in Pattaya to be used at a later date.

6,000 US Navy sailors are in town. The ladies are learning how to say "Hello, Sailor" in English.

How much are ladydrinks on soi 6?

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2911085]I sent the bargirl money so she can pay her barfine (1,000 baht) and meet me in Ban Chang. <snip> The true test is whether she sends me back the 1000 baht. [/QUOTE]Of course she will. I always used to get my gogo girls to pay their barfine first and I paid them back after arrival at the meet up spot.

One time my gogo girl paid her barfine but by the time she got to my place I felt sick as fuck so she made a food and 711 run for me, took care of me for an hour, and refused to take any money including her barfine back and didn't charge me for her time. She said no big deal she got to see me and can now go eat with her friends.

Really seems like we hang out with 2 different levels of girls. Gogo vs Soi 25.

Hi,

Newbie here, first time to Thailand managing my trip. I wonder if I wish to have a good gogo bar experience where should I go? Is the difference between Bangkok and Pattaya that much of a difference? Got six or seven days of staying wish to experience as much as possible. Got relatively flexible budget, how should I distribute the time in Pattaya and Bangkok and if I wish to try more of gogo bar should I distribute more time to Pattaya? Since I felt there are more playable event in Bangkok and I heard girls are generally prettier, so I wonder what should I do?

You really can't go wrong on Soi 6. 75 baht for a Cola. Unlimited Ugly s to oogle. Hahaha.

I did find a 19 year old. No Baitoey but kind of acceptable. No intelligence but she looked FINE.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2910085]
[B]I tip my hat to you LocalExplorer[/B] This is a straight drop the bat and watch walk off home run.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the kind words SubCmdr! .

Right now I am spending time in Pattaya, having some fun. My trip is all about sex, and partying! And by "partying" I mean drinking and fooling around with girls, especially in gogos and night-time GCs, rather than clubbing. I don't mind some dancing, if that gets the party started, I'm just a bit too old and a bit too fat for that (though not by much).

I noticed, that regardless of venue, all the costs of my drink (70-100 or 150) and LDs (140-220) are roughly the same everywhere. What's more, there is no logic in these differences: often an LD in a run-down beer bar will be more expensive than in an up-scale gogo. This leads me to always wonder "what will I get out of this" when I get asked for a drink by a girl I just met 15 seconds ago. I noticed some men are pretty happy with them just sitting awkwardly with barely any conversation, but honestly, if I just want to sit next to a very hot woman, I have a few friends back home who meet this criterion (smoking!) and are always happy to have a coffee with me.

Now, I don't expect an immediate BJ or heavy petting from the girls: if they sit on my lap and laugh, or wrestle and hug me a bit, or jokingly dry hump me, or just have an interesting conversation, I'm fine with that! I'm always hoping for a mini-sales pitch from a lady, one I usually don't get.

To my surprise, the most value for money (VFM) seem to be some of the gogos, the night-time "party" GCs, and BJ-focused GCs. Some of these ladies really work hard! And worse VFM? Beer bars (both for LDs and bar fines). To the extent I think we should stop considering beer bar girls as sex workers. Perhaps I'm a bit too disappointed, but those are consistently negative experiences.

To finish up, I'll throw some positive recommendations:

1) Kink! I've been here perhaps 5 times. The girls have different skill sets, from acrobatics, dancing, to the more explicit that I highly value. But it's always fun! I'll write more in another post.

2) Sugar Sugar. It's not as explicit as Kink, but the dancer I chose seemed to be having as much of a good time as me, jumping on my lap and pretending to have sex and giggling all the time. The other dancers looked jealous, and even security seemed to catch on the fun atmosphere; they remembered me the following night and were jokingly cat-calling me on the street. And I didn't even spend all that much!

3) Lips Lounge Soi Honey. Even more explicit and hands on than Kink. Let's just say you will never wonder what the LDs get you and if they're worth it. Not for the shy!

4) TF. I know it's a hit-or-miss, but for me works better than beer bars. I rejected one girl only after a video-call (she was simply ugly in real life), but the other one I called and invited, a 22-year old Sweetheart, was THE best. Very clearly inexperienced in the job (although she did have a baby), she was shy about by leaving her ID at the front desk, shy about being seen with me etc. And in bed she had no idea what she should be doing, but allowed me to take lead. That was the cutest thing since the invention of puppies!! I managed to warm her up and she got very, very wet. At some point she covered my face with a pillow, not wanting to see who she was getting the pleasure from! I met her again two days letter, just as cute, but she's loosing her shyness and looking at me in a different way, so I'm not sure if the next meetings would be / will be just as good. Still, what an experience!!

5) Telephone Bar Club. Very underrated club. Yes, it's far from Central Pattaya, but just get a Bolt bike for 30 THB! It's open from 9 AM and boasts better looking girls than in the average GC. There was one in her 20's (a 7), and a small bunch in their early 30's (also 7). There is also a 2 of an age impossible to guess, that obviously springs on you first, so don't get spooked. You can take them to the room, or get a BJ, and if you want, you can even get the BJ right there on an armchair in the bar. They're pretty hard-working!

[QUOTE=HAliluya;2911514]Hi,

Newbie here, first time to Thailand managing my trip. I wonder if I wish to have a good gogo bar experience where should I go? Is the difference between Bangkok and Pattaya that much of a difference? Got six or seven days of staying wish to experience as much as possible. Got relatively flexible budget, how should I distribute the time in Pattaya and Bangkok and if I wish to try more of gogo bar should I distribute more time to Pattaya? Since I felt there are more playable event in Bangkok and I heard girls are generally prettier, so I wonder what should I do?[/QUOTE]You should first ask yourself is what type of fun you want. The question you are asking us is a bit like asking "what's the best place to go on vacations? ". Some people will point to Ibiza, some to a deserted island, some to the mountains, and some to Pattaya. Bangkok is much more expensive and much more subdued, although the shopping malls in BKK have more hot young girls, that's true. So probably also true for the expensive gogo bars, but I didn't check them out. Most people think of PIMP Bangkok with horror, but some have expressed their lack of remorse in spending a small fortune.

So do you want to see nice-looking bikini ladies dancing and prancing? Bikini ladies who give you hugs? Or you want to see topless ladies? Naked ladies? Naked ladies who give you lap dances for lady drinks? Naked ones who ask you to DATY or finger them? What are your criteria for ladies? Only looks? Only age? Or would you like them to be at least a bit friendly? Or is being friendly the #1 criterion? For me looks are not enough for example, but I know a ton of people for whom only that matters.

In Pattaya you can't go wrong with Kink, you can get all the listed activities above (some activities only with 1 or 2 ladies). Windmill doesn't have a good moment. But honestly, planning in Thailand and Pattaya doesn't make sense. Once you start you'll know which way you want to go. Don't book your accommodation for more than 2 nights, do some reading up and that's it!

[QUOTE=MadDin19;2911767]I guess you've never been to Thailand or any other Asian country. Right?[/QUOTE]What makes you think that?

[QUOTE=MadDin19;2911767]I guess you've never been to Thailand or any other Asian country. Right?[/QUOTE]Well, I might have exaggerated the info a bit, OK.

[QUOTE=LocalExplorer;2911670]Thanks for the kind words SubCmdr! .
![/QUOTE]Don't get all excited, his endorsement isn't worth much.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2911870]Don't get all excited, his endorsement isn't worth much.[/QUOTE]What's with all the welcome (not!) posts? SubCmdr wrote something nice, and I appreciate that. I see he's consistently complementing posters with words like "solid report! " That's great, if you do want your forum to stay alive and fresh, with new posters and members. Or do you prefer not to? There's a lot of specific info on this forum, but it's difficult to find and often a few years old. It's also pretty scarce at times for people like me, who want their insane extended holiday experiences, but without going bankrupt.

I remember some crazy reports from Soi Bongkot 8 a while back, and that was exactly the type of info I look for! I'm just not that guy sitting in a beer bar, all excited about having met a lady who genuinely really likes him (not!) , or one who will boast about his LT going clubbing with him or alternatively. Cooking dinner for him. Pattaya's a big place, and there's a lot happening. You might not be aware of everything.

I see that allegations about never having visited Thailand are kind of regular here, with even Banana Boi (over 6000 posts) joking about it. Yup, it must be a full-time job making up so many stories in a way that they can be believable. Anyway, I did get worried I wrote a bit too much below, but then I browsed through other posts and it doesn't seem so. Do tell me if I'm wrong!

All righty, time for some recommendations (please note, these are totally random, the ones most easy to review with few words):

Las Vegas Agogo. I won't be a regular, but it might be just the place for you! The girls are pretty good-looking, they do make an effort to get drinks and give enthusiastic lap dances, there's lots of grinding, hugging, and friendly conversation. But most of all, customer service is first-class, the waiters really make an effort to make sure you're happy, and suggest a new drink only once. They also bow their heads East Asian style, which it makes it all seem very polite. (Yes, it's too easy to guess why they do it).

TF again. Got a very nice 20-year old Lao lady, very thin and small (she might have been a few years older, but there's no telling). Spoke no English whatsoever (Google Translate works well) and seemed absolutely elated at meeting a rather fat white man well older than her. The kissing, the hugging, the smiles, the laughter, all the way to the end. After which she went to the bathroom and came back fully dressed ready to go. That was not totally unexpected, she deserves an Oscar for acting, but who cares, it was great! Another win for TF! Had she not dropped out of character after the finish line, she'd be coming back soon, perhaps for LT. TF Sweetheart ignored my messages for a day or two, all while sitting online on TF all day, but seems she wasn't having that much luck, she's interested again and probably coming back today or tomorrow.

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[QUOTE=LocalExplorer;2911670]Thanks for the kind words SubCmdr! .[/QUOTE]You are welcome my man! It is always a pleasure to see a new poster take the time to share his experience and quality intelligence.

As for the negativity that is displayed by some posters towards me, I do not understand it either. They have never taken the time to share with me or the readership in general why they have become my personal critics. But it is not important. As it is not the critic who matters. It is the men like you and me. The men in the arena. Making the effort to share quality intelligence.

I can see that you like to party the same way I do. I appreciate the details you give for each venue and I learn a lot as this is my first visit to Thailand and I am new poster. LOL!

Right now I am spending time in Pattaya, having some fun. My trip is all about sex, and partying! And by "partying" I mean drinking and fooling around with girls, especially in gogos and night-time GCs, rather than clubbing. I don't mind some dancing, if that gets the party started, I'm just a bit too old and a bit too fat for that (though not by much).

I noticed, that regardless of venue, all the costs of my drink (70-100 or 150) and LDs (140-220) are roughly the same everywhere. What's more, there is no logic in these differences: often an LD in a run-down beer bar will be more expensive than in an up-scale gogo. This leads me to always wonder "what will I get out of this" when I get asked for a drink by a girl I just met 15 seconds ago. I noticed some men are pretty happy with them just sitting awkwardly with barely any conversation, but honestly, if I just want to sit next to a very hot woman, I have a few friends back home who meet this criterion (smoking!) and are always happy to have a coffee with me.

Now, I don't expect an immediate BJ or heavy petting from the girls: if they sit on my lap and laugh, or wrestle and hug me a bit, or jokingly dry hump me, or just have an interesting conversation, I'm fine with that! I'm always hoping for a mini-sales pitch from a lady, one I usually don't get.

[QUOTE=LocalExplorer;2911670]To my surprise, the most value for money (VFM) seem to be some of the gogos, the night-time "party" GCs, and BJ-focused GCs. Some of these ladies really work hard! And worse VFM? Beer bars (both for LDs and bar fines). To the extent I think we should stop considering beer bar girls as sex workers. Perhaps I'm a bit too disappointed, but those are consistently negative experiences.[/QUOTE]I cannot speak to many experiences personally, but each and every time I have sat down with a girl at a beer bar, bought her a drink, felt her up, had a conversation with her, then bar fined her I have had a positive experience. It is not my first choice. But focus on the girls who choose me. If I am walking by and a girl catches my eye and gives me a "come hither" look I am going to investigate. So, far things have worked out in my favor. But as one particular critic has pointed out "I am one of those guys. ". Yes, I focus first on chemistry and not on looks or price. I do not have a problem going with a girl I do not find "model" stunning if she wins me over with her personalty during conversation. This method has worked for me in the past and has continues to work for me.

To finish up, I'll throw some positive recommendations:

[QUOTE=LocalExplorer;2911670]1) Kink! I've been here perhaps 5 times. The girls have different skill sets, from acrobatics, dancing, to the more explicit that I highly value. But it's always fun! I'll write more in another post.[/QUOTE]Agreed. I have a great time each and every time I step foot in the place. Bar Fine: 1500; Short Time: 3000; Long Time: 5000.

[QUOTE=LocalExplorer;2911670]2) Sugar Sugar. It's not as explicit as Kink, but the dancer I chose seemed to be having as much of a good time as me, jumping on my lap and pretending to have sex and giggling all the time. The other dancers looked jealous, and even security seemed to catch on the fun atmosphere; they remembered me the following night and were jokingly cat-calling me on the street. And I didn't even spend all that much![/QUOTE]I too thought the dancers were hot. The one that came over to me was fun. But one of the things I do not like about agogos is that most to not allow you fuck right then. Most of the time if I am in an agogo and a girl gets me hot I want to take her right there. Spontaneous sex it what gets my engine revving.

[QUOTE=LocalExplorer;2911670]3) Lips Lounge Soi Honey. Even more explicit and hands on than Kink. Let's just say you will never wonder what the LDs get you and if they're worth it. Not for the shy![/QUOTE]Need to check it out. Sounds like a place for me.

[QUOTE=LocalExplorer;2911670]4) TF. I know it's a hit-or-miss, but for me works better than beer bars. I rejected one girl only after a video-call (she was simply ugly in real life), but the other one I called and invited, a 22-year old Sweetheart, was THE best. Very clearly inexperienced in the job (although she did have a baby), she was shy about by leaving her ID at the front desk, shy about being seen with me etc. And in bed she had no idea what she should be doing, but allowed me to take lead. That was the cutest thing since the invention of puppies!! I managed to warm her up and she got very, very wet. At some point she covered my face with a pillow, not wanting to see who she was getting the pleasure from! I met her again two days letter, just as cute, but she's loosing her shyness and looking at me in a different way, so I'm not sure if the next meetings would be / will be just as good. Still, what an experience!![/QUOTE]TF is most defiantly like the assorted box of chocolates. You never know what you are going to get. My experiences have been very positive. Even sometimes when a girls shows up that I do not think I am actually going to be able to get into, they provide surprising good sexual experiences. Do I have low standards? I most certainly do. But I would rather have friends in low places than to be bragging about my private banking services (who give a fuck).

[QUOTE=LocalExplorer;2911670]5) Telephone Bar Club. Very underrated club. Yes, it's far from Central Pattaya, but just get a Bolt bike for 30 THB! It's open from 9 AM and boasts better looking girls than in the average GC. There was one in her 20's (a 7), and a small bunch in their early 30's (also 7). There is also a 2 of an age impossible to guess, that obviously springs on you first, so don't get spooked. You can take them to the room, or get a BJ, and if you want, you can even get the BJ right there on an armchair in the bar. They're pretty hard-working![/QUOTE]I have heard of the place but I have never been there. With your report I will most certainly change that, quick fast and in a hurry.

Some people are positive by nature. I think you are one of those people and once again I am going to thank your for taking the time and energy to write another solid report. You are batting 1000.

[QUOTE=LocalExplorer;2911982]What's with all the welcome (not!) posts? SubCmdr wrote something nice, and I appreciate that. I see he's consistently complementing posters with words like "solid report! " That's great, if you do want your forum to stay alive and fresh, with new posters and members. Or do you prefer not to? There's a lot of specific info on this forum, but it's difficult to find and often a few years old. It's also pretty scarce at times for people like me, who want their insane extended holiday experiences, but without going bankrupt.

I remember some crazy reports from Soi Bongkot 8 a while back, and that was exactly the type of info I look for! I'm just not that guy sitting in a beer bar, all excited about having met a lady who genuinely really likes him (not!) , or one who will boast about his LT going clubbing with him or alternatively. Cooking dinner for him. Pattaya's a big place, and there's a lot happening. You might not be aware of everything.

I see that allegations about never having visited Thailand are kind of regular here, with even Banana Boi (over 6000 posts) joking about it. Yup, it must be a full-time job making up so many stories in a way that they can be believable. Anyway, I did get worried I wrote a bit too much below, but then I browsed through other posts and it doesn't seem so. Do tell me if I'm wrong!

All righty, time for some recommendations (please note, these are totally random, the ones most easy to review with few words):

Las Vegas Agogo. I won't be a regular, but it might be just the place for you! The girls are pretty good-looking, they do make an effort to get drinks and give enthusiastic lap dances, there's lots of grinding, hugging, and friendly conversation. But most of all, customer service is first-class, the waiters really make an effort to make sure you're happy, and suggest a new drink only once. They also bow their heads East Asian style, which it makes it all seem very polite. (Yes, it's too easy to guess why they do it).

TF again. Got a very nice 20-year old Lao lady, very thin and small (she might have been a few years older, but there's no telling). Spoke no English whatsoever (Google Translate works well) and seemed absolutely elated at meeting a rather fat white man well older than her. The kissing, the hugging, the smiles, the laughter, all the way to the end. After which she went to the bathroom and came back fully dressed ready to go. That was not totally unexpected, she deserves an Oscar for acting, but who cares, it was great! Another win for TF! Had she not dropped out of character after the finish line, she'd be coming back soon, perhaps for LT. TF Sweetheart ignored my messages for a day or two, all while sitting online on TF all day, but seems she wasn't having that much luck, she's interested again and probably coming back today or tomorrow.[/QUOTE]Dude, after 30 years of Southeast Asia you learn to separate the wheat from the chaff. You can tell who is full of shit and you can tell who isn't. You can even tell who's never been here before and has nothing to add other than made up bullshit. It could very well be that I am jaded, but after being on this board since it's inception, I have read more fantasy porn than any human being should possibly be subjected to. The fantasy porn adds nothing to the sport as far as I am concerned but I don't make those decisions nor is my input even wanted or needed. But, whatever floats your boat.

Now as to SubCmdr, who should more appropriately be called Snipebuttboy, you may want to exercise due diligence and do a little research on some other boards, specifically those dealing with the United States. I'm sure you'll be amazed, not that it matters one way or the other because it's the internet.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2912123]Now as to SubCmdr, who should more appropriately be called Snipebuttboy, you may want to exercise due diligence and do a little research on some other boards, specifically those dealing with the United States. I'm sure you'll be amazed, not that it matters one way or the other because it's the internet.[/QUOTE]As for Nyezhov, who should more appropriately be called WHWMF (White hoodie wearing mother fucker), I would find it interesting here an expansion of his comments since I have not lived in the (Dis) United States of America for over 10 years. Where as he has been in one area of the world for 30 years, I have been traveling the world for over the last 30 years. Yes, I have built quite a body of work that covers four countries on ISG.

He is full of negativity. I am not. I will not put up with his false accusations that I engage in criminal activities, impersonation and abuse of girls. If that is how he choses to think, in order to live and get by day to day (because of reasons) that is on him. But rest assured that his opinions of me and accusations are not based on on shred of evidence or fact. He cannot even figure out if I am a tourist or not. Or if I have ever visited Pattaya. Those statements were made in his own words in his posts.

The only thing anyone should be amazed by is how I take my time to share quality information with the readership. Actually none of us need to. This was originally posted in the [B]Pattaya Reports[/B] thread. No one has pointed out a single factual statement that I have made that is untrue. That is what is valuable. It would also be interesting to can you please explain how you have so much to say about Pattaya but in your own words say that you have not been to Pattaya for the last 10 years. All of this is ok, because according to him it does not matter one way or the other as this is the internet. Therefore what he has to say about me does not matter one way or the other as this is the internet. Funny how that works out.

OK, so I see there is some competition and perhaps even conflict between some of the users, but I don't plan to take sides. I'm just here to write about my own experiences and to pass answers to questions that I asked myself recently, and that I feel can be helpful to others. I won't be posting detailed stream-of-consciousness what-I-did-today stories, I'll try to extract and group information together by subject, so it's more of a compendium of sorts, or just random short recommendations. For people like me.

So today is about Pattaya's gogos. I was curious what the differences are and why I should go to venue X vs venue Z. I mentioned liking Kink and having been a fan of Windmill, but what about all the rest? I focused on LK and the wider Buakhao area, as opposed to Walking Street, which is known for now being a focal point for families on holidays, men who have never been to gogos etc. Although to be fair, the ones in WS are so numerous, they can't all be just tourist attractions!

Throughout a week or so, at around 9:30 PM (sometimes slightly later), I would visit one or two gogos to start the evening, drink a beer, perhaps buy a lady drink, have a little chat and move on. So it was rare I would ask about stuff like barfining, I was interested chiefly in the entertainment. I visited: Kink, Sugar Sugar, Dolls LK, Las Vegas, Paradise, Crystal Club, and Fever in LK; Red Hot & Blue and Stunners in Buakhao; Playgirlz and Heaven Above in Boomerang and Windmill in WS. I also visited Pinup previous time around and. Katoeys Are Us, out of curiosity.

My general conclusion is that non of these clubs are bad, I would claim the differences with few exceptions, are mainly about how fully dressed the women are (all full bikini; all full bikini with 1 dancer topless. Which was the case in Crystal Club I believe; all topless), how much pressure the staff puts on you to buy drinks, and how open to having a laugh the girls are. But that might depend on your luck, time of the day etc. - you definitely want to consider coming back later if the place is empty. Feel free to do a self-guided gogo crawl, it's probably the simplest method.

So what are the exceptions, outliers and funny visits?

Kink. Obviously!

Stunners. This is my new catch. It's a very small (narrow) gogo, and located pretty far from LK, separate from all the other venues. It's essentially "the local gogo", just like you have your local shop, your local library and your local pub. The customers are in large majority living locally (mainly farang), the atmosphere is light and unofficial, the girls are chatting even when on stage, but it's in a good way, the customer doesn't feel left out. It's a low-stress atmosphere. The mamasan sat next to me and started talking, which at first made me wary, but turned out she just really wanted to know what I'd like. I didn't really tell her, but the first girl to approach me seemed pretty good looking, but most of all extremely friendly, so I bought her a drink. It was fun, so when she offered for a friend of her's to join, I agreed. The girls were very easy going, eager to please and easy to joke with, and I found ways of making the first one burst out laughing consistently absolutely every single time, at wish. What can I say, that was a lot of fun! The funniest part was when they looked at my drinks' bill (reasonable.) and they were alarmed. But that just tells you what type of customers they have.

Windmill. Two years ago I loved it even more than Kink. The girls were perhaps not as good-looking as in Kink, but they were wilder and more enthusiastic. Some would look at me as if they're just going to rape me there and then! This time around, a bit confused by the changes and the 2 Windmills, I entered the new Windmill on the left, were I was shoved (gently, but still) by staff to a table on the ground floor, before I could even look around. I got high-pressure drink requests, but there wasn't much happening, not as much as in Kink anyway. Well, I drunk up my own beer, payed and left. 
 A few days later I rolled by, this time I avoided the crowded staff in front of the "new" Windmill on the left and pointed straight to the "old" Windmill. They got the message. Anyway, I went in, and straight upstairs. There were 8 girls who forgot to put on their underwear standing on the main stage, and 2-3 more girls sitting naked in an extension of the stage. Customers close to the stage were mainly 60-year old local expat regulars, all drinking their draft beers, just 1 or 2 buying LDs, but all pretty happy. I bought an LD, got a lap dance and some touching, it was quite OK, but Kink still wins for me. At least this time around. But if you stay closer to Walking Street, might be worth a try.

Sugar Sugar. Mentioned in a previous post.

Playgirlz. I felt somewhat out of place there. It wasn't too crowded, but I was actually told twice "you can't sit here" without being told where I can sit. But ah well, perhaps they were having a bad day. Anyway, I sit down, get offered the card, and the first pages are bottles of alcohol for 5000 THB etc. , before I get to the beer section at the very end. Hmm. Then there are these ladies walking around with enormous bunches of fake plastic THB bills around their necks. I've seen similar in other gogos, but these were much larger. It was all screaming, at least to me: spend all the money you have. Yes, I know that's their brand, and I went out of curiosity, I can even imagine customers who will want to throw around that cash! But honestly, I was hoping for something more eccentric, like (fake) pearls everywhere, gold paint, some sort of throne and crown for the big spender. Perhaps something more gangsta, like in 50 Cent's PIMP music video! Either way, curiosity satisfied.

Red Hot & Blue. Gogo / GC hybrid, or that's how they market themselves. It was pretty empty, I was the 3rd or 4th customer. There was one guy, perhaps Indian, who did not abandon eye contact with his phone even for a second for a good 15 minutes, and looked very sad. A roughly 55-year old white man was playing Connect-4 with a lady (in a gogo! And I think there was an Asian customer just sitting with a beer. Three ladies were prancing on a mini-stage, no eye contact with anybody. Actually, I was having a good time and giggling, because it felt a bit like a scene in a movie. Hoping to lighten up the mood, I started prancing myself, the 3 girls eventually caught on, synched with me and smiled. Even the Indian dude took eyes off his phone and started laughing, clapping and waving his arms. Yuppie! I sat down with a smile. The waitress ran up to me and asked: 3 lady drinks for the ladies? Well, no. I answered. - Oh! - answered the waitress and ladies, and they all immediately left to smoke cigarettes outside. It was still a memorable and fun visit, but not for the reasons I'd imagined. Might be more conventional fun when crowded.

Heaven Above. Supposedly a gogo / GC hybrid. Some of the girls are stunners as per reputation, yes, but most are pretty average IMHO, and I noticed one that I would rate as a 3. The girls mostly dance on the table (well, they bend their legs), which I've been told is a wonder for leg lovers, but not for me. The girls are pretty insistent about drinks. It's worth noting, that this club does have its wild enthusiasts. I'm not quite sure where that comes from, I did not notice any giggles, shenanigans, or enthusiastic conversations, mostly topless women sitting next to men and sipping on their drinks. But ah well, whatever rocks your boat! I bought a drink for one young girl, but all she did was sit next to me, nod her head and sometimes smile awkwardly, with very little conversation despite some level of English. I wasn't very happy, but indeed I should have tested the water more: my bad! So I tried switching to an older lady who kept catching eye contact with me and smiling and smiling. But somehow her enthusiasm subsided, and then she misunderstood my lady drink orders. Nothing terrible, but all together that was a bit of a mood killer. Of course I could have sorted it out with the boss, but I just felt like moving on to the next place.

Katoeys Are Us. I went there 2 years ago or so, it's a ladyboy gogo. Yes, I went there on purpose, although I have (nor had) any sexual interest in ladyboys. I don't know how things have changed since then, but if they haven't changed too much, I'd recommend a visit if you're a tourist! Just be nice, and absolutely never laugh in their faces. That's universal advice for interaction with anyone, but I just have to mention it. So preferably, go there before drinking and not drunk. The performers were very nice, no pressure whatsoever, and it was all interesting, a one-time experience that satisfied my curiosity. I even bought a LD (or LBD) for some conversation. It was quite the opposite experience of what you might think passing by certain spots in the Buakhao area. Anyone who's been to Central Pattaya must know what I'm talking about.

Pinup. Also visited 2 years ago out of curiosity, but I hear from other forums that little has changed. It's mainly a pickup spot for the hottest and most pricey stunners, visited mostly by Asian customers. It's worth buying a beer and spending 20 or 30 minutes just looking at the scene, even if you don't plan to "buy".

At the request of a bargirl, I went to Walking Street last. It was generally less busy than High Season, but still plenty of customers.

Skyfall: the quality of the ladies is less than High Season, probably the top tier has been sponsored up. There were some 50 year old granny types dancing.

Windmill 2: pretty much the same girls as the original Windmill, and the same antics. Still have old Farangs playing with the ladies, but now more Chinese customers, much younger than the Farangs, which thrills the ladies, but the Chinese don't stay long. I suspect the Chinese are looking for ladies to bring back to the home country, but they can't present Windmill ladies to Mom in China.

Anyone used this and can share review?

Will transport me from airport to pattaya with 2 ladies and full service.

Sounds fun and good.

But is there any risk using this? What if there's some checking in between by police or something (Asking because such inspections can happen in my country).

Also even if no inspection, are service good?

Any alternative also if you know please share, I couldn't find any. And Devils den also claims them as only one providing such service.

Thanks!

What kind of vehicle? What is the cost of the service?

[QUOTE=TiredOf;2912456]Anyone used this and can share review?

Will transport me from airport to pattaya with 2 ladies and full service.

Sounds fun and good.

But is there any risk using this? What if there's some checking in between by police or something (Asking because such inspections can happen in my country).

Also even if no inspection, are service good?

Any alternative also if you know please share, I couldn't find any. And Devils den also claims them as only one providing such service.

Thanks![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2912574]What kind of vehicle? What is the cost of the service?[/QUOTE][URL]https://devilsdenthailand.com/airport-full-service-vip-pic-up/[/URL]

[QUOTE=TiredOf;2912456]Anyone used this and can share review?

Will transport me from airport to pattaya with 2 ladies and full service.

Sounds fun and good.

But is there any risk using this? What if there's some checking in between by police or something (Asking because such inspections can happen in my country).

Also even if no inspection, are service good?

Any alternative also if you know please share, I couldn't find any. And Devils den also claims them as only one providing such service.

Thanks![/QUOTE]The chances of you being dinged by the police for riding in this vehicle are astronomically low.

I only see police cars on the highway when there has been an accident.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2912574]What kind of vehicle? What is the cost of the service?[/QUOTE][URL]https://devilsdenthailand.com/airport-full-service-vip-pic-up/[/URL]

This is what I was talking about.

Note: I did not try it, nor even heard from a friend. I just randomly came across it while browsing and indeed it was exactly the thing which I was looking for. Starting the trip with a bang as soon as I lands.

Well, tbf, price does seem on a higher side. But I won't find if service is good and hassle-free, that is why I asked if someone experienced here know about it.

Also, alternative of this, if any!

Cheers.

[B]Passion Gentlemans Club[/B]

Absolutely wild that that it is located right in the middle of a residential neighborhood. Enter through a door into the courtyard, where depending upon the time, you will find any number of naked girls with their chosen partners from the club in the pool. Walk into the main club and the place is dimly lit except over the bar and pool table. At the pool table you will find the girls of the club strutting their stuff and you can play with them if you like. There girls are in various outfits that depending upon your tastes you might find sexy. I know I did. Girls will approach you and you can invite them to sit down with you or you can politely decline. On certain days if you buy enough drinks you get free food at the buffet. I did not sample as on one day the offering did not appeal to me and on the other day I visited it was just to drink and chill with my mate who was leaving Thailand the next day.

I remember the music being ok, if a little dated. TV screens all over with various stuff playing. I kept my eyes on the girls in the place. Attractive girl comes up to my table and I invite her to sit down. She has the type of body I like. Lady Drink is purchased and her beautiful breasts come out and I'm feeling them up and sucking on nipple. Grabbing bare ass and rubbing her pussy. Conversation is had about how things work in the place. And we have an agreement. Off to the room.

Wow! So there is not confusion by those who are confused easily will not be covering any sexual details or prices. Much to much criticism up in here over a grown mans choices. So if you want to know more hit me via PM. This room was like a suite. It was huge with an entire room next to it was a bathroom. Complete with two sinks, a bathtub and shower. It is a freak party room. Definitely for a threesome. Outstanding! As was the performance of the lady I picked. Afterwards, and I really like this, we had a little time left over so she sat on the couch with me and we made small talk with each other while I continued to feel her up and enjoy her body until time ran out. It took the edge of what can be mechanical sex in the industrial sex capital of the world. It was nice. Then back to the bar. I thought about round two with a different girl but instead decided to try another gentleman's club.

Say what you want about me. I put meat in the pot with quality reports about my adventures in Pattaya. If I do say so myself. You know what, I sure do. So the next time someone writes I have no credibility, look at their post count. Better yet do some due diligence and check out the information they are providing. If anyone every finds something factually incorrect in my posts, please point it and provide the correct information. I am not perfect. I have been known to make an error. They are few and far between But I have been known to make them. It will help me and others learn more. That is why I post, so that maybe just one person finds the information useful when they are visiting Pattaya and it helps them out. It is also my way of giving back to everyone who has provided me with some much information (here and in person) over the years!

Enjoy my work!

Elon Musk where are you.

What planet am I on to think LK metro agogos are Horrible.

[QUOTE=TiredOf;2912456]Anyone used this and can share review?

Will transport me from airport to pattaya with 2 ladies and full service.
Thanks![/QUOTE]Sadly Devil's Den is shut, probably for good. It was a victim of Covid, then the landlord raised the rent as LK Metro grew popular. The final nail was the owner had a near fatal medical condition and has been recovering for a long time. There was an attempt to restart it at a new location but the deal fell through and since then no one has heard much more.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2905935]Every word of my diary, good or bad, is true. On this trip I've written about having a chest infection, falling victim to a Tinder bait and switch, the soi 7 girl who didn't want to have sex, being quoted high prices at times, being stood up by a ThaiFriendly chick. I bet you're perfectly happy to accept all of those things happened as described. Yet when I talk about my positive experiences, which far outweigh the negative ones, you call foul.

It doesn't exactly reflect well on the kind of time you yourself must have if you assume anyone who fucks pretty girls must be lying!

Ps when did I say I got a 'hottie off the street for 1K'? I didn't. You're so desperate to criticise you'll even make things up, which is ironic really.[/QUOTE]Hello Sir Lancelot, do you remember our little evening in India, I am in Pattaya today, how about a beer or two.

Chers.

Anti.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2912672]Sadly Devil's Den is shut, probably for good. It was a victim of Covid, then the landlord raised the rent as LK Metro grew popular. The final nail was the owner had a near fatal medical condition and has been recovering for a long time. There was an attempt to restart it at a new location but the deal fell through and since then no one has heard much more.[/QUOTE]This is correct information. I had a friend who use to use the Den exclusively on his 3 week trip everyday he would have one of their girls or a repeat. Based on their general prices for girl prior to Covid in house it was customary to pick too girls fuor 90 minutes you could also book a lady overnight 10 pm till 6 am then around 4000 baht.

He told me the service I believe the vehicle used was a Toyota Communter Van those you see dropping and picking up tourist at the airport basically 12 seaters. The Van was custom converted like a Limo painted Black.

He indicated he nevered use the service girls and rarely as far as he knew rarely booked but because he knew the owner vip customer they did pick him up. It wa s a long time but based on general cost of girls time is money, two plus hours each way it was well over 10,000 somehow 20,000 clicks in my head as the number.

As for police last thing to worry.

Walking around Soi Chaiyapoon, plenty of ladies in the bars, but very few customers. Maybe the GCs have customers.

Great time to be a customer in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2912742]Walking around Soi Chaiyapoon, plenty of ladies in the bars, but very few customers. Maybe the GCs have customers.

Great time to be a customer in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Not Hating on you but it's been like this since Caveman days.

It's just Raining old white men. 24/7. Nothing wrong with this.

[QUOTE=FortyDrinks;2912867]Not Hating on you but it's been like this since Caveman days.

It's just Raining old white men. 24/7. Nothing wrong with this.[/QUOTE]A month ago, many of the bars on Soi Chaiyapoon had customers, some were filled. Now most are empty of customers, and the ladies are bored.

Low Season is upon us.

Having said that, traffic is still bad, due to the many Chinese tour buses, but also because of an influx of Bangkok visitors. But after May 5, the holiday will end, and things should get a lot quieter.

I went to Maggie Mays Jomtien last night, pretty much the same as the original.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2912742]Walking around Soi Chaiyapoon, plenty of ladies in the bars, but very few customers. Maybe the GCs have customers.

Great time to be a customer in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Traffic is brutal at the moment. Walking street is absolutely heaving every night. It depends on where you like to monger and the standard of girls you go for.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2912642][B]Passion Gentlemans Club[/B]

Absolutely wild that that it is located right in the middle of a residential neighborhood. Enter through a door into the courtyard, where depending upon the time, you will find any number of naked girls with their chosen partners from the club in the pool. Walk into the main club and the place is dimly lit except over the bar and pool table. At the pool table you will find the girls of the club strutting their stuff and you can play with them if you like. There girls are in various outfits that depending upon your tastes you might find sexy. I know I did. Girls will approach you and you can invite them to sit down with you or you can politely decline. On certain days if you buy enough drinks you get free food at the buffet. I did not sample as on one day the offering did not appeal to me and on the other day I visited it was just to drink and chill with my mate who was leaving Thailand the next day.

I remember the music being ok, if a little dated. TV screens all over with various stuff playing. I kept my eyes on the girls in the place. Attractive girl comes up to my table and I invite her to sit down. She has the type of body I like. Lady Drink is purchased and her beautiful breasts come out and I'm feeling them up and sucking on nipple. Grabbing bare ass and rubbing her pussy. Conversation is had about how things work in the place. And we have an agreement. Off to the room.

Wow! So there is not confusion by those who are confused easily will not be covering any sexual details or prices. Much to much criticism up in here over a grown mans choices. So if you want to know more hit me via PM. This room was like a suite. It was huge with an entire room next to it was a bathroom. Complete with two sinks, a bathtub and shower. It is a freak party room. Definitely for a threesome. Outstanding! As was the performance of the lady I picked. Afterwards, and I really like this, we had a little time left over so she sat on the couch with me and we made small talk with each other while I continued to feel her up and enjoy her body until time ran out. It took the edge of what can be mechanical sex in the industrial sex capital of the world. It was nice. Then back to the bar. I thought about round two with a different girl but instead decided to try another gentleman's club.

Say what you want about me. I put meat in the pot with quality reports about my adventures in Pattaya. If I do say so myself. You know what, I sure do. So the next time someone writes I have no credibility, look at their post count. Better yet do some due diligence and check out the information they are providing. If anyone every finds something factually incorrect in my posts, please point it and provide the correct information. I am not perfect. I have been known to make an error. They are few and far between But I have been known to make them. It will help me and others learn more. That is why I post, so that maybe just one person finds the information useful when they are visiting Pattaya and it helps them out. It is also my way of giving back to everyone who has provided me with some much information (here and in person) over the years!

Enjoy my work![/QUOTE]It's on the last soi tucked away in the corner of a residential neighbourhood and hard to find if you don't know where to look (perfect for hiding from the Mrs) and is worth the trip. I have never seen anyone naked in the pool though in about 20 visits. Always good fun way to spend a few hours in the afternoon though.

[QUOTE=FortyDrinks;2912867]Not Hating on you but it's been like this since Caveman days.

It's just Raining old white men. 24/7. Nothing wrong with this.[/QUOTE]I have no idea what you are trying to say here.

My point was that there is no a shortage of old white men on Soi Chaiapoon, due to Low Season. Do you have different observations?

I use different metrics to gauge how busy Pattaya is now. One is visual observation, but another is how many ladies ping me looking for a customer. Particularly, high volume ladies, the know and who get 10,000 baht a night during High Season. When they start asking to come see me for 2000 baht, you know things are dead.

And soon, the guys who fell in love with a bar girl in January stop sending her money, and she comes looking for a customer, too.

In a week or so, I'll do an addendum to my gogo review. I have some new thoughts and new reviews, but I'll post them together. Today I'll try to answer another question I myself have had, but this one is a much tougher one.

The Question is: Which lady should I choose? Let's assume I'm somewhere between mid-30's and mid-40's, and I'm overweight (an XL, but just single X). My interests are in sex and having fun! It might not be the same as when I was 20, but I can still manage to do both pretty well.

Age and looks. The girl's age and looks are definitely very important, and that's what most people would focus on. As I pointed out with the 2 TF stories, finding young chicks who will perform well in bed is definitely possible, but that doesn't mean easy. Although I have seen a man 10 years my senior, and probably double my weight with a young girl I was very jealous of.

It's worth noting however, that some less attractive ladies really took to heart the famous 1970's slogan of a certain car rental company: "We're #2, we try harder". The younger a girl, the more likely she will: forget about you (goes to the toilet, gets distracted, never comes back); be disinterested in what you want (won't listen to hints, if you gently express dislike in what she's doing, she will assume something's wrong with you and demand a new drink); not put much effort in at all. She knows that even if you leave, the next customer will come and go straight for her.

So it's pretty much a balancing game, and your choice of option depends on how much effort, time and money you want to put in on a given day.

Indicators. I agree that getting called out on the street, or approached, might be an indicator a lady likes you / dislikes you less than other passers-by or customers, thus giving hope of a better experience in bed. The problem is most of those calling out are grannies at least 10 years my senior, and often much more. Hard pass there. I occasionally bump into young girls asking for my attention, but usually during the first drink I do confirm that they are drink queens. I mean that's fine, but that's not what I'm looking for. So now I usually pass the suspiciously hot young girls too, just not wanting to spend 10-15 minutes feigning patience.

Beer bar girls. So let's talk about beer bar girls specifically. I have to say, in most places like Tree Town, Myth Night, Soi Diana etc, I have to do quite a lot of walking before I catch eye contact with someone outside the 2 categories I mentioned above (grannies and the young), and not eye contact of the "WTF you want" type. Soi Pothole admittedly is better in that regard, thanks SubCmdr for the tip. Once I get myself seated, we go through the entire drink-buying-checking-her-attitude-hugging-and-touching ceremony. Very often the ladies will be surprised, or even puzzled, that I'm not there to complain about failed love, family problems or the like. When we go back to the hotel, usually things cool down. The lady will usually take an "ok, let's get past this" attitude, and the sex is usually bad. First of all, they want to get on top of me, and very quickly get tired. That's fine, I can get on top and pump away, I'm more fit than these girls give me credit for. They are often upset in the "this was not part of the plan" manner, and often after a few minutes of banging, they try to convince me I won't be able to finish. I can also see by their face that they're really NOT enjoying it. Or their faces show joy, but their hand gestures are saying "hurry tf up!" and show some irritation. In response, I do slow down more often than I care to admit. In quite a few cases, they try to do as little as possible from the very start, touching my willy with 2 fingers, chuckling in inappropriate situations and such. It's rarely ever good sex.

GC girls. The problems I mentioned occur also with masseuses, gogo girls and GC girls, but much more rarely. GC girls can sometimes be a letdown, if you choose the hottest one in an establishment. But usually a GC is the McD of sex (the non-US McD) - yes, perhaps it's not the best presentation or the best taste, but you know exactly what you're getting and you will not be hungry. Problem is, if you're a foodie, setting up camp in McD will not leave you satisfied. However, if you ever find yourself "hungry" and tired, that's the #1 place to go to.

TF. My experience (not statistically significant) is that the better encounters are with TF girls rather than beer bar girls, and the former can be much hotter. And much cheaper: same price no LDs no bar fines, so you can afford to sometimes get it wrong. The key here is you should really screen the TF girls well. I focus on the ones that seem to have relatively little experience. I study the profile, the pictures, and search for any reviews out there. I'm very suspicious of any 10's, 9's and even 8's. And I do a video-connection before inviting them in, crossing off the girls who try to avoid it.

[QUOTE=Cusland;2913157]It's on the last soi tucked away in the corner of a residential neighbourhood and hard to find if you don't know where to look (perfect for hiding from the Mrs) and is worth the trip. I have never seen anyone naked in the pool though in about 20 visits. Always good fun way to spend a few hours in the afternoon though.[/QUOTE]I guess I just got lucky since on my first visit there was a customer with two girls in the pool with him. Drunk and in a good mood (in contrast to many of the posters in the [B]Pattaya Reports[/B] thread) and wanting to hold a conversation with me. It is not customary for me to have conversations with naked men unless I am at a freak party or a nude resort. I was polite and stopped a chatted for a moment to check out the naked girls. You do realize that having the girls accompany you to the pool has a separate cost? It is not included in the standard "room service" fee. Or maybe I was just a mark since I was new. I am in agreement with you. It is worth the trip and I have been back several times.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2913124]A month ago, many of the bars on Soi Chaiyapoon had customers, some were filled. Now most are empty of customers, and the ladies are bored.

Low Season is upon us.

Having said that, traffic is still bad, due to the many Chinese tour buses, but also because of an influx of Bangkok visitors. But after May 5, the holiday will end, and things should get a lot quieter.

I went to Maggie Mays Jomtien last night, pretty much the same as the original.[/QUOTE]Traffic on 2nd road is bad because two lanes are closed down.

Itty bitty detail you fail to DisClose. Hahaha.

Old women rates in Pattaya.

Are they really earning 10,000 a night during high season. Hahaha 🤣 hahaha. Hahaha.

Who are paying these rates. Certainly not Sir Lancelot and his brethen.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2913124]...
Low Season is upon us.

Having said that, traffic is still bad, due to the many Chinese tour buses, but also because of an influx of Bangkok visitors. But after May 5, the holiday will end, and things should get a lot quieter.

....[/QUOTE]Traffic will remain bad because they've been tearing up 2nd road again.

[QUOTE=LocalExplorer;2913192]In a week or so, I'll do an addendum to my gogo review. I have some new thoughts and new reviews, but I'll post them together. Today I'll try to answer another question I myself have had, but this one is a much tougher one.

The Question is: Which lady should I choose? Let's assume I'm somewhere between mid-30's and mid-40's, and I'm overweight (an XL, but just single X). My interests are in sex and having fun! It might not be the same as when I was 20, but I can still manage to do both pretty well.


.[/QUOTE]The fact that is sounds like so much work to get a good sexual experience with a good looking girl in Pattaya tells me just how downhill the place has gone. Yes the quantity is there and if all you need is a naked girl opening her legs, you can get what you want. But at my age I want and need much more. I found in BKK the MPs are the most reliable and in Patts the GCs. Of course I have found occasional gems on TF, Beach road, Gogos and other venues as well. But over all the Pattaya scene is hugely mercenary now and the sweetness that the girls had 10-20 years ago is extremely rare to be found. Now even 19 year old is tatted up, pumped full of Silicone and a rushed attitude. I'm glad I'm old enough to have experienced better days there. And have the pics and videos to remind me!

Hello Guys.

Just a report of my forays in Thailand post Covid. Was in Pattaya for one night, got an accommodation from Agoda it was a dump, my take is to arrive there and scout for one, average prices around 600 to 1000 bath for a nice place. Hit the walking street and came across many freelancers, many of them past their prime. , got talking to one who was cute and nice, agreed for 2500 for whole night, went around the place for minor shopping and later to the hotel, the deed was normal missionary no great effort to serve from her side. After a while told her to leave as I wanted to explore the bar scene.

Seems many a business has been cornered by Indians and the service aspect or cleanliness is not good.

Trust you guys will too have a blast as Thailand is back in action, never disappoints and has something for each one.

BB.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2913363]The fact that is sounds like so much work to get a good sexual experience with a good looking girl in Pattaya tells me just how downhill the place has gone. Yes the quantity is there and if all you need is a naked girl opening her legs, you can get what you want. But at my age I want and need much more. I found in BKK the MPs are the most reliable and in Patts the GCs. Of course I have found occasional gems on TF, Beach road, Gogos and other venues as well. But over all the Pattaya scene is hugely mercenary now and the sweetness that the girls had 10-20 years ago is extremely rare to be found. Now even 19 year old is tatted up, pumped full of Silicone and a rushed attitude. I'm glad I'm old enough to have experienced better days there. And have the pics and videos to remind me![/QUOTE]Well, it is what it is. Pattaya used to be full of sweet young girls because it was way poorer, the foreigners were fewer and information did not circle around so freely. It's not that Thailand is fully catching up with the West as far as standards of living are concerned, it's just that the drastic drastic differences that used to be are slowly going away. China and Thailand are actually almost perfectly world-average, but that's enough to make an enormous difference. The so-called change in customer demographics in Pattaya is another manifestation of the same effect. You can see similar changes elsewhere, for instance South American tourism is now heavily dominated by Brazilians. And almost anyone in the world can afford a smartphone.

Quality sex is kind of difficult to find in Pattaya, that's some work to be done, but adult entertainment is thriving! That's world class and still pretty cheap. And I absolutely love it.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2913363]The fact that is sounds like so much work to get a good sexual experience with a good looking girl in Pattaya tells me just how downhill the place has gone. Yes the quantity is there and if all you need is a naked girl opening her legs, you can get what you want. But at my age I want and need much more. I found in BKK the MPs are the most reliable and in Patts the GCs. Of course I have found occasional gems on TF, Beach road, Gogos and other venues as well. But over all the Pattaya scene is hugely mercenary now and the sweetness that the girls had 10-20 years ago is extremely rare to be found. Now even 19 year old is tatted up, pumped full of Silicone and a rushed attitude. I'm glad I'm old enough to have experienced better days there. And have the pics and videos to remind me![/QUOTE]We live in times when profit is the most important thing in the world. Reading these forums one garners that for mongers a penny saved is a penny earned so what can we expect from the ladies?

Monday night pre stock market drinking session.

Skewed towards the Kelaya Side of the Oi 6. There was a Plethora of Hot very attractive girls.

The one I did ask price said 2 k. Very Fair.

My jaw just Dropped. It was like America beating the Russian in Olympic hockey.

Don't know if they all lost their Korean Sponsors or what.

Mind you I like Baitoey like white skin.

[QUOTE=FortyDrinks;2913323]Traffic on 2nd road is bad because two lanes are closed down.

Itty bitty detail you fail to DisClose. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]Traffic everywhere in Pattaya is bad. Thrappaya Road is a parking lot between Jomtien and Pattaya.

Hopefully, traffic will thin out soon as the tourists disappear.

Here we go again with mongers hanging out together bemoaning progress and change in the world. I am surprised at how consistent this line of reasoning is across country threads. Change and adapt. Tighten up your own game. Or simply go to the place where you and your dick is treated best. Thailand is considered less expensive on the relative scale when looking at the over all market price of prostitution. That may factor in. Pick a more expensive location or venue.

Personally, I am glad I am not weighted down by thoughts of the glory days. That is the advantage of going to new places, with new eyes and experiencing thing you are familiar with. Experiencing the wonderment of old, because everything is new to you.

I will tell you one thing, the old pale skin farangs are simply not pulling the absolutely smoking hot girls I see my brothers from the asian countries hanging with. That might have something do with all the bad attitudes I am reading about up in here.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2913363]The fact that is sounds like so much work to get a good sexual experience with a good looking girl in Pattaya tells me just how downhill the place has gone. Yes the quantity is there and if all you need is a naked girl opening her legs, you can get what you want. But at my age I want and need much more. I found in BKK the MPs are the most reliable and in Patts the GCs. Of course I have found occasional gems on TF, Beach road, Gogos and other venues as well. But over all the Pattaya scene is hugely mercenary now and the sweetness that the girls had 10-20 years ago is extremely rare to be found. Now even 19 year old is tatted up, pumped full of Silicone and a rushed attitude. I'm glad I'm old enough to have experienced better days there. And have the pics and videos to remind me![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2913621]Here we go again with mongers hanging out together bemoaning progress and change in the world. I am surprised at how consistent this line of reasoning is across country threads. Change and adapt. Tighten up your own game. Or simply go to the place where you and your dick is treated best. Thailand is considered less expensive on the relative scale when looking at the over all market price of prostitution. That may factor in. Pick a more expensive location or venue.

Personally, I am glad I am not weighted down by thoughts of the glory days. That is the advantage of going to new places, with new eyes and experiencing thing you are familiar with. Experiencing the wonderment of old, because everything is new to you.

I will tell you one thing, the old pale skin farangs are simply not pulling the absolutely smoking hot girls I see my brothers from the asian countries hanging with. That might have something do with all the bad attitudes I am reading about up in here.[/QUOTE]Sub it really was something special--anything we have today doesn't come close to Thailand of the past. And the old, pale skin farangs did pull smoking hot girls. That being said, I accept the changes and still enjoy LOS. Not that I have a choice.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2913621]Here we go again with mongers hanging out together bemoaning progress and change in the world. I am surprised at how consistent this line of reasoning is across country threads. Change and adapt. Tighten up your own game. Or simply go to the place where you and your dick is treated best. Thailand is considered less expensive on the relative scale when looking at the over all market price of prostitution. That may factor in. Pick a more expensive location or venue.

Personally, I am glad I am not weighted down by thoughts of the glory days. That is the advantage of going to new places, with new eyes and experiencing thing you are familiar with. Experiencing the wonderment of old, because everything is new to you.

I will tell you one thing, the old pale skin farangs are simply not pulling the absolutely smoking hot girls I see my brothers from the asian countries hanging with. That might have something do with all the bad attitudes I am reading about up in here.[/QUOTE]Yep. Sounds like the old Caucasian westerners are sour that the ladies are choosing Japanese and Korean men over them.

Can you blame young females for not wanting to roll with bald, elderly Caucasian dudes who dress like trash and treat the girls like trash? I mean just look at the typical farang in the Buakho area. LOL.

Times they are a changin.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2913835]Yep. Sounds like the old Caucasian westerners are sour that the ladies are choosing Japanese and Korean men over them.

Can you blame young females for not wanting to roll with bald, elderly Caucasian dudes who dress like trash and treat the girls like trash? I mean just look at the typical farang in the Buakho area. LOL.

Times they are a changin.[/QUOTE]The top girls, with rare exceptions, are choosing Korean and Western dudes over you too unless you are a Korean or Japanese dude from Cali.

[QUOTE=Allover;2914022]The top girls, with rare exceptions, are choosing Korean and Western dudes over you too unless you are a Korean or Japanese dude from Cali.[/QUOTE]Reality stings doesn't it?

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2913835]Yep. Sounds like the old Caucasian westerners are sour that the ladies are choosing Japanese and Korean men over them.

Can you blame young females for not wanting to roll with bald, elderly Caucasian dudes who dress like trash and treat the girls like trash? I mean just look at the typical farang in the Buakho area. LOL.

Times they are a changin.[/QUOTE]Partly the reason you are saying and partly the little efforts girls have to put in the room to make those customers happy. Plus the higher revenue with no bargaining they provide.

Between now and October is the time to come to Pattaya! Everything feels relaxed. No more getting no seat at food courts. No more girls flaking 90% of the time. Even Jomtien immigration feels relaxed.

Since I'm currently living in Japan let me tell you many Japanese have super weird kinks and fetishes that guys like myself have never even considered. I can't see how they are an easier customer than anyone else. The only difference I know from experience is a Farang wants to bang a girl 3 or 4 times for LT to get his money's worth. Japanese will take 1 shot and save his energy and bang multiple girls in a day instead.

Look at FKK clubs. A Farang will sit there all day and grab 1 girl for the day, if any. The young Asians are grabbing girls every hour or two and imo having a much better time than the old Polar bears. Now which group of guys would you target as a FKK girl? Nothing to do with a small dick, an easy out, or paying more. Has to do solely that Farang don't session as much as Asian men in FKK clubs.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2914170]Since I'm currently living in Japan let me tell you many Japanese have super weird kinks and fetishes that guys like myself have never even considered. I can't see how they are an easier customer than anyone else. The only difference I know from experience is a Farang wants to bang a girl 3 or 4 times for LT to get his money's worth. Japanese will take 1 shot and save his energy and bang multiple girls in a day instead.

Look at FKK clubs. A Farang will sit there all day and grab 1 girl for the day, if any. The young Asians are grabbing girls every hour or two and imo having a much better time than the old Polar bears. Now which group of guys would you target as a FKK girl? Nothing to do with a small dick, an easy out, or paying more. Has to do solely that Farang don't session as much as Asian men in FKK clubs.[/QUOTE]Based on those parameters and assuming a 6 hour LT is three times the cost of a 2 hour ST, if I were a FKK girl I would target older farangs of acceptable physical and interpersonal characteristics.

An older farang would likely only expect 1-2 pops, probably ordinary Fuck and / or Suck and I could spend the other 5 hours of that LT playing on my phone and watching Tik Tok videos.

Verses 3 STs with "super weird kink and fetish" demand customers? You mean like BDSM, spanking, golden showers, role playing, "the monk and the choirboy", Actors Studio exercises and all that? OMG. I can't imagine a more tedious 6 hour grind for some unfortunate P4P girl anywhere.

No contest; I would keep it exclusively older farangs.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2914170].....Look at FKK clubs. A Farang will sit there all day and grab 1 girl for the day, if any. The young Asians are grabbing girls every hour or two and imo having a much better time than the old Polar bears. Now which group of guys would you target as a FKK girl? Nothing to do with a small dick, an easy out, or paying more. Has to do solely that Farang don't session as much as Asian men in FKK clubs.[/QUOTE]Most of the guys you see in FKKs are Germans, they live there and can come often and spend more time. Also most of them are older. The young Asians are usually there for a short period and want to make the most of their time banging girls they cannot get in their home countries. Also, many young farang who visit from other countries bang 3/4 girls per day too.

"There has never been a better period in human existence to be alive" - Subcmdr.

[QUOTE=Allover;2913776]Sub it really was something special [b]anything we have today doesn't come close to Thailand of the past[/b]. And the old, pale skin farangs did pull smoking hot girls. That being said, I accept the changes and still enjoy LOS. Not that I have a choice.[/QUOTE]The girls really wanted to be with you. You had to force them to leave. I got tired of doing threesomes. And they only wanted 10 Bhat and some Khao Man Gai for an overnight. Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah. Like one of Charle Browns teachers. LOL!

Seriously? You going to have me play Bruce Springsteen for ya brother. Those sentiments are universally proffered about almost every location around the world pretty much by anyone who has been mongering for any length of time. I have heard / read this same sentiment about many other countries I have visited by those who have been visiting them for longer. Wash, rinse, repeat.

You know when I had the best sex I have ever had? It was with the girl that just left with my splooge running down her thigh about to drip from her knee. Yep, right before I sat down to respond to your post. I suppose it is a matter of perspective. An entire world out there and you going to lament the past? My best nut is always my last nut.

There always always a place on the decline and a place on the upswing. I've been told by my friends there is overnight pussy for 9. 00 USD someplace in the world. But the infrastructure of the location is shit and the plane tickets expensive. But I can get 9. 00 USD pussy there.

I have gotten short time for 500 THB here in Pattaya. That was a massage, BBBJ, CFS and brothers the girl could take some dick. Because she was my third girl that day she really had to put in some work to "poder mi leche afura" (get my cum out).

In ten years, when it is 30 USD for overnight pussy (in the undisclosed location) I hope I am not like the guy below:

[I]Think I'm going down to the well tonight; And I'm going to drink 'til I get my fill; And I hope when I get old, I don't sit around thinking about it; But I probably will; Yeah, just sitting back; Trying to recapture a little of the glory of; Well, the time slips away; Leaves you with nothing, mister, but boring stories of
[b]Glory Days[/b][/I]" - [B]Bruce Springsteen[/B].

[QUOTE=XXL;2914165]Between now and October is the time to come to Pattaya! Everything feels relaxed. No more getting no seat at food courts. No more girls flaking 90% of the time. Even Jomtien immigration feels relaxed.[/QUOTE]I was watching some YT videos of Soi 6 and Buakho and it really does look dead. As you mentioned, low season is the best time to be out there. Looking forward to returning this summer.

[QUOTE=JSmithJ88;2914234]Is it really a shocker for asian chicks to prefer asian men?[/QUOTE]Yes. In Asian cultures there's always been and still is an obsession with white skin and western culture. But that is decreasing in recent years, especially with K-Pop and Korean culture movies / shows gaining in popularity. The average Thai girl idolizes Korean singers and actors, both male and female. The West and Caucasions are losing their place to Koreans and Japanese.

The times are changin. But make no mistake, if a White Chad strolls by an Asian chick, her pussy is going to get wet on the spot and she'll do anything to get with the Chad. I have seen it many times in Thailand. I'll be sitting in a massage shop on Buakhao getting a foot massage and a White Chad is walking by and the massage girls lose it and go crazy. It's a sight to behold.

[QUOTE=XXL;2914165]Between now and October is the time to come to Pattaya! Everything feels relaxed. No more getting no seat at food courts. No more girls flaking 90% of the time. Even Jomtien immigration feels relaxed.[/QUOTE]By the end of this month, ladies will begin disappearing from the bars, due to lack of customers. This isn't to say that the bars will be empty of ladies, only that if you are coming to Pattaya for a specific lady, she may be gone soon.

But, in general, this is the best time to come to Pattaya.

Except that it's hot. I got tired of the heat, and bailed for Kazakhstan.

Would you mind translating TF and GC please. I couldn't find it in the abbreviations.

[QUOTE=LocalExplorer;2913192]

GC girls. The problems I mentioned occur also with masseuses, gogo girls and GC girls, but much more rarely. GC girls can sometimes be a letdown, if you choose the hottest one in an establishment. But usually a GC is the McD of sex (the non-US McD) - yes, perhaps it's not the best presentation or the best taste, but you know exactly what you're getting and you will not be hungry. Problem is, if you're a foodie, setting up camp in McD will not leave you satisfied. However, if you ever find yourself "hungry" and tired, that's the #1 place to go to.

TF. My experience (not statistically significant) is that the better encounters are with TF girls rather than beer bar girls, and the former can be much hotter. And much cheaper: same price no LDs no bar fines, so you can afford to sometimes get it wrong. The key here is you should really screen the TF girls well. I focus on the ones that seem to have relatively little experience. I study the profile, the pictures, and search for any reviews out there. I'm very suspicious of any 10's, 9's and even 8's. And I do a video-connection before inviting them in, crossing off the girls who try to avoid it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2914290]"There has never been a better period in human existence to be alive" - Subcmdr.

The girls really wanted to be with you. You had to force them to leave. I got tired of doing threesomes. And they only wanted 10 Bhat and some Khao Man Gai for an overnight. Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah. Like one of Charle Browns teachers. LOL!

Seriously? You going to have me play Bruce Springsteen for ya brother. Those sentiments are universally proffered about almost every location around the world pretty much by anyone who has been mongering for any length of time. I have heard / read this same sentiment about many other countries I have visited by those who have been visiting them for longer. Wash, rinse, repeat.

You know when I had the best sex I have ever had? It was with the girl that just left with my splooge running down her thigh about to drip from her knee. Yep, right before I sat down to respond to your post. I suppose it is a matter of perspective. An entire world out there and you going to lament the past? My best nut is always my last nut.

There always always a place on the decline and a place on the upswing. I've been told by my friends there is overnight pussy for 9. 00 USD someplace in the world. But the infrastructure of the location is shit and the plane tickets expensive. But I can get 9. 00 USD pussy there.

I have gotten short time for 500 THB here in Pattaya. That was a massage, BBBJ, CFS and brothers the girl could take some dick. Because she was my third girl that day she really had to put in some work to "poder mi leche afura" (get my cum out).

In ten years, when it is 30 USD for overnight pussy (in the undisclosed location) I hope I am not like the guy below:

[I]Think I'm going down to the well tonight; And I'm going to drink 'til I get my fill; And I hope when I get old, I don't sit around thinking about it; But I probably will; Yeah, just sitting back; Trying to recapture a little of the glory of; Well, the time slips away; Leaves you with nothing, mister, but boring stories of
[b]Glory Days[/b][/I]" - [B]Bruce Springsteen[/B].[/QUOTE]I think the main point is not the cost. Everyone understands inflation. McDonalds meal could be had for $1. 99. Now its like 10 bucks. But WHAT they are serving is more or less the same thing. Consistent burgers and service. You know what you are paying for. The issue is that the product, Thai pussy, is no longer the same. Yes it is is still available but the body its attached to is now tatted up, fake boobs, fake nose and eyes and a mercenary attitude. Yes I know the glory days are not coming back. But for better or worse people have reference point in their mind that sets expectations whether we like it or not. Good for you that you can only remember as far back as your last ejaculation. Many of us are not blessed with such selective and ultra short term memory.

[QUOTE=FirstLover;2914397]Would you mind translating TF and GC please. I couldn't find it in the abbreviations.[/QUOTE]TF = Thai Friendly; GC=Gentleman's clubs.

What is up with Kelaya 66. Had food but NO customers as usual. I think I might have seen 2 guys in there at table. Always possible could be staff. The Hello girls were Hot as usual.

Met a girl in the area. Very sweet. Not the face of Baitoey but a better body. Very approachable. Look more Laos than Thai. Are they coming back to make Thai sex science great again.

[QUOTE=FirstLover;2914397]Would you mind translating TF and GC please. I couldn't find it in the abbreviations.[/QUOTE]Sure,

TF = Thai Friendly. A dating app, repurposed in Pattaya for prostitution. It's very rare to find someone in Pattaya looking for a real date.

GC = Gentleman's Club, a Pattaya-specific type of bar with closed entrance doors, as opposed to many beer bars which are fully outdoor with a roof only. They have either rooms or at least curtains on premises, so you can enjoy action with a lady on-site. The ladies are rarely below 30. For a good list go to gentsclubs. It's run by a few GC owners (so they put their own GCs at the top), but is fairly complete.

[QUOTE=FirstLover;2914397]Would you mind translating TF and GC please. I couldn't find it in the abbreviations.[/QUOTE]Thai Friendly dating app. Gentlemen's Clubs.

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SIM. Get an Airalo eSIM card before leaving your home country. This will allow you to keep your home SIM card and still have a Thai SIM in the same phone, and you won't be loosing time in Thailand to do this. It works really well, and you'll get 5 G in most of central Pattaya. Get the Airalo app, the rest is self-explaining.

Baht Bus. The Baht Bus is still 10 THB per ride. Use the Baht Bus when travelling between Terminal 21, Soi 6, Central Pattaya, Walking Street and Jomtien Bus Station. Fast, cheap, plentiful!

Bolt. For all other far destinations use Bolt motorbikes. Install the Bolt app, and always use cash as the payment option. The rides are about 30 THB for distances such as Central Pattaya to Walking Street or Central Pattaya to Telephone Bar Club.

Exercise. Walk to places, unless you're going to a club and it's pretty far away. Do walk, especially after sundown, when it's not so hot, or when going shopping. I know most of you hate it, but some exercise is a must! And if you can't walk for 10-15 minutes, I doubt you go to the gym much.

Food 1. Try the Tops Food Hall in the basement of CentralFestival Pattaya Beach Shopping Center, open until 9 PM /10 PM. You prepay as much as you want at the cash register, and you receive a dedicated card to pay with. You can use the card for multiple days or return it and get the remaining balance in cash. Choose from about 20 different food stands at very good prices and eat calmly in an air-conditioned environment! But DO take a bunch of your own tissues, they always seem to be out, at all the tables and all the cutlery stations. And you don't want to realize that only once you have soup dripping down your chin.

Food 2. Places located more closely to Buakhow are Cheap Charlie's (Thai main dishes for about 100-120 THB), a favorite amongst local farangs, good food and I do recommend it. No air-con but the air fans are pretty effective. Hungry Hippo's is popular, I don't quite get why, perhaps the variety of the food? The outdoor food court between Tree Town and Buakhow is an all-time favorite for tourists, especially those taking their "dates" out, though it's kind of pricey, and you're more than likely to be spotted by your previous dates and get texts. And you'll sweat a lot before you're done with your meal. The Mexican joint (run by a very friendly young Indian guy) is worth a try.

Laundry. Take minimal clothing from home and use laundry centres, at around 60-70 THB per kilo of laundry. If you bring it in in the morning, it will be done by the afternoon, but otherwise it's going to take 24 h. There's also a "fast" laundry, where you can get it done in about 2-3 hours, for 130 THB (or a bit less if you bring your own detergent).

Doctor. For medical advice, I recommend Buakhouw Clinic. It's quick and cheap. I got a gentle rash, went to get it checked out anyway, better safe than sorry, especially in Pattaya. Doctor confirmed it's nothing to worry about, and I got a medical cream. In and out in 10-15 minutes, and I payed 300 THB for everything including the cream.

Viagra. If you need Viagra to keep the party going for even longer or stronger, or whatever other reason, it's officially OTC (over the counter AKA no prescription) in Thailand. Make sure you buy it from a real, licensed pharmacy, never from a dude on the street. If the place doesn't look official, or sells non-medical stuff, or it's not air-conditioned, it's not a pharmacy. You can ask for Sildenafil (which is the scientific name, Viagra is a brand) or straight away ask for Sidegra, which is the official local generic brand. It's the same medicine, the same chemical substance, no difference. Pay attention to the dosage. In the West they often sell 2 or 4 tablets x 25 MG, in Thailand they only seem to sell 4 tablets x 50 MG or 4 tablets x 100 MG. Read the leaflet! I can't give medical advice, I'm not competent, but AFAIK 100 MG is the max daily dosage, and you more than likely don't need that much, unless you know that you really do. Try 50 MG first or 25 MG brought from home, it's usually sufficient and lasts quite long. The price in Pattaya is about 200 THB for a 4 x50 MG, and 350-400 THB for 4 x100 MG.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2914400]I think the main point is not the cost. Everyone understands inflation. McDonalds meal could be had for $1. 99. Now its like 10 bucks. But WHAT they are serving is more or less the same thing. Consistent burgers and service. You know what you are paying for. The issue is that the product, Thai pussy, is no longer the same. Yes it is is still available but the body its attached to is now tatted up, fake boobs, fake nose and eyes and a mercenary attitude. Yes I know the glory days are not coming back. But for better or worse people have reference point in their mind that sets expectations whether we like it or not. Good for you that you can only remember as far back as your last ejaculation. Many of us are not blessed with such selective and ultra short term memory.[/QUOTE]There has not been any inflation in Thailand that justyfies price increases of 50-100%.

And the prices asked in the tourist sector is not always the prices asked from the own population.

You really think thaimen are paying 35 year olds 1500 for a 30 minute fuck?

I've now become one of those guys who look back at the Good old days. I thought I'd list some of the best gogo bar lineups I have ever seen, in no order.

Black Pagoda Patpong - 2016.
King's Castle 1 Patpong in it's temporary location for 6 months in 2016(?)
Rainbow Bangkok (the big one. No idea which number) - 2017.
Baccara Bangkok - 2017.
Baccara Pattaya - 2016.
Sensations Pattaya - 2016.
Fahrenheit Pattaya - 2016
Happy / Beach Club Pattaya 2017
Sapphire Pattaya - 2015.
Palace Pattaya - 2017.
Ninja LK Metro - 2016.
Pin Up Pattaya. The 1st year it opened - 2017?

Likely forgetting a couple. Don't care if LD's have doubled since 2015. Would pay 2x more now if we could have the talent we once had.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2914575]Don't care if LD's have doubled since 2015. Would pay 2x more now if we could have the talent we once had.[/QUOTE]I think most of us that miss the old days, miss the talent level the most. And it was available to all, young and old. You would expect prices for girls and drinks to increase over time. My first trip to LOS in 1997 is one of the highlights of my life, family things aside.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2914575]I've now become one of those guys who look back at the Good old days. I thought I'd list some of the best gogo bar lineups I have ever seen, in no order.

Black Pagoda Patpong - 2016.
King's Castle 1 Patpong in it's temporary location for 6 months in 2016(?)
Rainbow Bangkok (the big one. No idea which number) - 2017.
Baccara Bangkok - 2017.
Baccara Pattaya - 2016.
Sensations Pattaya - 2016.
Fahrenheit Pattaya - 2016
Happy / Beach Club Pattaya 2017
Sapphire Pattaya - 2015.
Palace Pattaya - 2017.
Ninja LK Metro - 2016.
Pin Up Pattaya. The 1st year it opened - 2017?

Likely forgetting a couple. Don't care if LD's have doubled since 2015. Would pay 2x more now if we could have the talent we once had.[/QUOTE]I don't remember all the names of the Go-Go bars in Pattaya, but the best time that I had there was at the Tahitian Queen believe it or not in 1989. I think that was the last time I was in Patts.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2914575]I've now become one of those guys who look back at the Good old days. I thought I'd list some of the best gogo bar lineups I have ever seen, in no order.

Black Pagoda Patpong - 2016.
King's Castle 1 Patpong in it's temporary location for 6 months in 2016(?)
Rainbow Bangkok (the big one. No idea which number) - 2017.
Baccara Bangkok - 2017.
Baccara Pattaya - 2016.
Sensations Pattaya - 2016.
Fahrenheit Pattaya - 2016
Happy / Beach Club Pattaya 2017
Sapphire Pattaya - 2015.
Palace Pattaya - 2017.
Ninja LK Metro - 2016.
Pin Up Pattaya. The 1st year it opened - 2017?.[/QUOTE]At its prime before the new about 10 years ago, maybe more.

Rainbow 4 at the time had 200 girl s or more on any given weekend.

Now. Maybe 70 on a weekend.

Before Rainbow full at 8.30 pm, even on Weekdays. Now it gets busy at 10 pm.

One of my friend was in pattaya 2 months back and tried Uzbek from one bar. His experience was good but costly.

He doesn't have any other info other than some gogo or dance bar in walking street. (he doesn't remember the name as well.).

I have been in pattaya before (6 month back). But never tried any Uzbek / Russian.

Wanted to ask here. Where to find if anybody knows? Any info, experience?

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2914535]You really think thaimen are paying 35 year olds 1500 for a 30 minute fuck?[/QUOTE]If the fiwfans site is a good indication, they aren't paying much less.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2914575]I've now become one of those guys who look back at the Good old days. I thought I'd list some of the best gogo bar lineups I have ever seen, in no order.[/QUOTE]1987. Patpong; Supergirl.

1987. Pattaya; Super Baby (a very appropriate name).

1987. Cowboy: Darling; Tilac; Midnight.

Beers 35 baht; lady drinks 30-35 baht; barfines 100 baht; LT 200-500 (You'd have to kick them out in the morning or take them to breakfast.) No such thing as ST unless that is what you wanted.

SS.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2914575]I've now become one of those guys who look back at the Good old days. I thought I'd list some of the best gogo bar lineups I have ever seen, in no order.

Black Pagoda Patpong - 2016.
King's Castle 1 Patpong in it's temporary location for 6 months in 2016(?)
Rainbow Bangkok (the big one. No idea which number) - 2017.
Baccara Bangkok - 2017.
Baccara Pattaya - 2016.
Sensations Pattaya - 2016.
Fahrenheit Pattaya - 2016
Happy / Beach Club Pattaya 2017
Sapphire Pattaya - 2015.
Palace Pattaya - 2017.
Ninja LK Metro - 2016.
Pin Up Pattaya. The 1st year it opened - 2017?

Likely forgetting a couple. Don't care if LD's have doubled since 2015. [b]Would pay 2x more now if we could have the talent we once had.[/b][/QUOTE]I started hobbying in Thailand in 2019. And I envy those who hobbied long time ago. Why do you think overall talent has declined? Is it because there are more economic opportunities now for women?

[QUOTE=Taehyun;2914616]One of my friend was in pattaya 2 months back and tried Uzbek from one bar. His experience was good but costly.

He doesn't have any other info other than some gogo or dance bar in walking street. (he doesn't remember the name as well.).

I have been in pattaya before (6 month back). But never tried any Uzbek / Russian.

Wanted to ask here. Where to find if anybody knows? Any info, experience?[/QUOTE]I've never tried them, but they're easy to find. There's a number of bars / clubs right on Walking Street. Just walk by or zoom in on Google Maps on WS and search for "Russian". Generally speaking, (almost) all the white women on WS are from former Soviet Union countries, especially Central Asia (Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan etc.), but ethnically Russian / Slavic. On Thai Friendly I have been also contacted by a few, white-looking and often with "RU" (capital letters) in their user ID.

Amongst the farang, and those resident in Pattaya in particular, "Russian" girls especially on WS are infamous as a scam. That's what I heard. Supposedly, the declared prices are very high, at pay-up time turn out to be double and there's always enough security men to convince you paying everything in full on the spot is your only option. Being white, I never felt compelled to verify those stories. I could try "white" or "very expensive" in Pattaya, but never both at the same time.

You're probably better off in Europe for white girls, but I can imagine if you just want to try once, it's still cheaper than flying.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2914642]I started hobbying in Thailand in 2019. And I envy those who hobbied long time ago. Why do you think overall talent has declined? Is it because there are more economic opportunities now for women?[/QUOTE]Female talent is about the same as 20 years ago.

When guys get older, they forget about the dogs and just remember the good ones.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2914819]Female talent is about the same as 20 years ago.[/QUOTE]Correct. You see the same 'girls' in the bars who started working there 20 years ago.

I've been going to Pattaya for like 20 years now but haven't been to Pattaya for over a year.

Last time I went I wouldn't say the facial attractivness had changed too much over the years but the amount of tattoos (mostly bad ones) has exponentially increased along with the average waistline of the girls, the prices have obviously gone up but the service of the girls, inside and outside of the bedroom, has gone down quite a bit too. There's also been an increase in those stupid painted on eyebrows too but that applies pretty much everywhere in the world now.

That's not to say you still can't have a great time there though. It's still probably the best mongering destination overall due to atmosphere, safety, choice etc but if you want great sex with attractive girls it's hard to find. Personally I'm going to split my holidays between Brazil and Pattaya for the best of both worlds.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2914857]Correct. You see the same 'girls' in the bars who started working there 20 years ago.[/QUOTE]Hell the boss at Thermae in Bangkok has been at it for 40 plus years, and I've know him for since 1986 +\.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2914857]Correct. You see the same 'girls' in the bars who started working there 20 years ago.[/QUOTE]I see the same thing in the discos. And the new guys are just as happy with those same chicks who are now in their late 30's and early 40's as we were when we were new and they were in their 20's. There are plenty of new younger ones too. Nothing has changed except the players and I guess the price went up a little. But I do not see the new girls as looking any worse than the old girls looked back then.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2914926]It is that entire Glory Days mentality that causes old folk to get stuck and not be able to fully enjoy Pattaya in the present incarnation. This principle applies to hiring prostitutes and many other areas of life.[/QUOTE]I think most of us older guys enjoy both the glory days AND the present even if the present isn't as good as the glory days. I don't think anybody that visits Pattaya and this board now is stuck in the past.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2914853]Correct me if I am wrong, but I bet the girls back then were charging premium market prices relative to what was standard at the time. In other words, those agogo girls were not going for the same prices street girls were going for. Am I right?[/QUOTE]Correct gogo girl prices have been 3000ST and 5000 LT since 2015. The girl's price has not gone up by a single baht. BF have increased from 600-1000 to up to 2000 in the past 10 years. Drinks have roughly doubled in price since 2015.

Looking back it amazes me how I ran up 8000+ baht bills on drinks only back in 2015. That would be equivalent to guys spending 16,000 baht on just LD's these days.

Then add in a 3000+ at Hollywood, 500 at 7-11, and 5000 LT. Repeat night after night. No wonder I have no money left!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2915002]Correct gogo girl prices have been 3000ST and 5000 LT since 2015. The girl's price has not gone up by a single baht. BF have increased from 600-1000 to up to 2000 in the past 10 years. Drinks have roughly doubled in price since 2015.

Looking back it amazes me how I ran up 8000+ baht bills on drinks only back in 2015. That would be equivalent to guys spending 16,000 baht on just LD's these days.

Then add in a 3000+ at Hollywood, 500 at 7-11, and 5000 LT. Repeat night after night. No wonder I have no money left![/QUOTE]Thank you [B]Banana Boi[/B] for the real information historical and current.

Everyone now has a valid reference (from a reliable source) for the costs of [I]top tier[/I] girls and the other expenses involved. But if the enjoyment they get from the money they spend is worth it to them, that is priceless!

[B]Please excuse my misleading positivity[/B]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2915047]Thank you [B]Banana Boi[/B] for the real information historical and current.

Everyone now has a valid reference (from a reliable source) for the costs of [I]top tier[/I] girls and the other expenses involved. But if the enjoyment they get from the money they spend is worth it to them, that is priceless!

[B]Please excuse my misleading positivity[/B][/QUOTE]BB referred to you as one who info is Illegitimate. Hahaha.

Not by name but by inference. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=FortyDrinks;2915098]BB referred to you as one who info is Illegitimate. Hahaha.

Not by name but by inference. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]When did I do this? In general I don't attack people on this board and I wouldn't attack Sub cause he's my comedic relief on here.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2914853]You are keeping it 100.

You see I think everyone should go where they are treated best. If your eyes and your dick are not being treated well here in Pattaya, then ask yourself why are you here? Why do you visit?

When I got tired of the culture in LATAM countries I decided to take a break. Flew half-way around the world. What did I find? Pussy is Pussy! Latinas have better hardware overall. But Thai girls have much better software. This is no perfect pussy to be found, past, present or future. Although I am looking forward to going to a the first brothel staffed with sex robots.[/QUOTE]On this we are 100% in agreement. That is why my last few mongering trips have not been to Thailand. There are places with better value, sweeter more natural girls and more genuine experiences. They don't come with some of the other benefits of Thailand (awesome food, massage, beaches) so I still happily go to Thailand for holidays with my wife etc and but for a pure mongering weekend not so much anymore.

I have a November trip planned to Pattaya and I'm meeting another fellow monger there. We're going to do our own thing but maybe have a beer from time to time and go on the prowl a couple times probably together. If there's any other mongers going to be there between November 12 and the end of the month hit me up, and I'll buy you some drinks and we can strategize together and you can join me in my new friend as well.

I've been a member of this form for about 30 years or more. Pretty much since it was around. I went to Thailand back in 1997 and I understand a lot has changed back then. I also paid my dues by reading through the last 120 pages here of which, if not most of my questions were answered and I feel like I have a pretty good grasp on how I want to go about things once I arrive. That information is priceless. I'm not here to talk about the good old days versus what it was back then and now. Everything always changes, that's life, and we learned work with it or we don't.

So here's a list of my questions that after reading the last 120 pages, I was still unable to find answers for. Some of them you might find almost comical, but they are actually real things to me. I believe in using any and all advantages when it comes to mongering.

1. I have a trimmed and kept beard about an inch or so long. I've read or heard the Thai women do not like or not as attracted to men with beards. I'll shave it off, even though it's kind of my identity, I could go without a beard for a couple of months it gives me an advantage, the women?

2. I can't believe this wasn't discussed, maybe it was and I missed it? But are Thai women into using toys? I have a pretty serious collection of toys some of which cost thousands of dollars dollars like a fucking machine, etc. And I'm not going to bring that to Thailand, but like a magic wand or handheld vibrators or dildos? Any of you ever use these on Thai women?

3. Yes, I'm a white American, I'm about 5 foot 11, this past year I've gotten my rear end in pretty good shape, I definitely don't look my age of 58. Where I fit in the "looks" department and I don't really care. I'm a man, not something I worry about, BUT What would be the best category of women for me to pursue in my position?

4. I like slutty women. Yes from time to time I want to do the young, sweet and shy girl but honestly as an older man who's lived a lot of life and had a lot of experiences. I like a good old-fashioned slutty woman. LOL I like a woman who likes to fuck. I like a woman who likes to suck dick and gets OFF on it. And occasionally I like a threesome. What are the odds of finding some real sluts in Pattaya? I can't stand the whole mechanical transaction like Tijuana. Been there done that. I will go out of my way to find the women who the money is secondary to. Where if any, is the best place to find these type of women?

5. I have been communicating via fetlife with the owners a (husband and wife, a Thai wife) of the gentleman's club called "whisper lounge" in Pattaya. They have assured me that most anything on my fantasy list can be found there. I looked at their website and they have photos of several of their women and they look OK. They are not stunners, but they are definitely fuckable by my standards. Has anyone been to this club and what would be your review of it?

6. I reading the gentlemen's clubs are cheaper. What are the best gentlemen clubs in your opinion and what are the price ranges to be found?

7. Read the first 120 pages of this Pattaya thread, I feel like Soi 6 is going to be my go to spot for the evening to find my last woman of the night. I'm not really going to be into going upstairs. I want to take back to my room where I can operate more freely and try and avoid the wham Bam type scenario that I mentioned above. How much is this going to set me back? Or is it really just better to take them upstairs and do the deed and leave? This leads to my next question of where and how is the best place to get a girl if you want her to stay for a few hours or long-term. Maybe even till morning?

8. to find the girls that are willing to do a threesome and would actually be into the idea of it and would get into having some pussy themselves, where is the best place to find this. I'm thinking to pick up a little hottie on Beach Road and ask her if she wants to bring a friend? Or would Soi 6 possibly be better for this?

9. I like a good bareback blowjob, I like a blowjob artist, I was spoiled rotten with a sugar baby here in the states who literally could orgasm from giving head. She liked it that much and she was that good at it. Any chance of finding that level of a blow job In Pattaya? Also, at the blowjob bars, can you do freaky things where you like you and another monger sit next to each other and you each have a girl sucking you off and then they switch and stuff like that? I like a good kinky scenario from time to time. It's like watching porn only live.

10. I want to have a massage in my room during the day, want a happy ending some days and probably just a massage others days if I need to recharge. Skip the happy ending, how much can I expect to pay for both types of massage and where is the best place or resources to find a reasonably placed women to come to my room for a massage?

11. Condoms, for 28 years of mongering I've always just used my own common sense and it hasn't let me down yet. I've never picked up anything. Yes I like to go raw. Who doesn't? The actual real feeling of that pussy, skin on skin, can't be replicated wrapping plastic around your dick. LOL how do you bring up negotiating this with the girls? Now I can tell you right now because I have my own methodology for who I'll wrap up and who I won't with. Some of the girls I may negotiate to go bareback with and then I might change my mind once the panties come off. It just depends. I've been snipped, so no worries about knocking anyone up.

12. I like good authentic Thai food like curry, pad Thai, and every once in a while, a good steak. Where are the best places to find these things? What are your favorite go to restaurants. I'll be on Soi 10.

13. I'll be staying on Soi 10 at "THE STAY HOTEL" It looks like a decent hotel. I included breakfast in my booking and it cost me about $63 per night which I know is ridiculous for Pattaya, especially booking this far in advance, but I am funny about my accommodations, I like to be comfortable and this is actually a real vacation for me. Anyone stay there and what are your thoughts on it? Can I walk to so six from there?

14. Since I won't have cell phone service because I use straight talk, I'll be relying on Wi-Fi. Do most of the bars, and different places around the restaurants the open beer bars, places like that do they have Wi-Fi connections?

15. And Thai Friendly, I've read a few times that it's basically a waste of time to start working that well in advance and that you should just do it once you're on the ground. If I get on Thai friendly and say 3 o'clock in the afternoon and I start messaging girls what are the odds that I'll be meeting up with one off of there by that evening? And is ฿2000 a reasonable expectation for a semi-attractive woman to come to your room for a couple of rounds?

November 12 through the end of the month I'll be there. If you're going to be there the same dates or part of the same dates, hit me up. The girls are great and all, but it's nice to have a fellow Western to chitchat with and share a beer with from time to time.

Any of these questions any fellow mongers can answer answer is greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=GettingTang;2915266]I've been a member of this form for about 30 years or more.[/QUOTE]Was it on a stone tablet back then?

[QUOTE=GettingTang;2915266]1. I have a trimmed and kept beard about an inch or so long. I've read or heard the Thai women do not like or not as attracted to men with beards. I'll shave it off, even though it's kind of my identity, I could go without a beard for a couple of months it gives me an advantage, the women?[/QUOTE]The only thing that gives you an advantage is money. They do not like the beard because it itches them. It has nothing to do with attraction.

[QUOTE=GettingTang;2915266]10. I want to have a massage in my room during the day, want a happy ending some days and probably just a massage others days if I need to recharge. Skip the happy ending, how much can I expect to pay for both types of massage and where is the best place or resources to find a reasonably placed women to come to my room for a massage?[/QUOTE]Massage in your room is 500 baht for 1 hour.

[QUOTE=GettingTang;2915266]12. I like good authentic Thai food like curry, pad Thai, and every once in a while, a good steak. Where are the best places to find these things? What are your favorite go to restaurants.[/QUOTE]There are 3 steak houses (Beefeater, Longhorn, Patrick's) in the alley at the corner of Second Road and Soi Diana (4 minute walk for you). For Thai food, Thepprasit Market from 5 pm to 10 pm or Treetown on Soi Buakhao from 3 pm until.

[QUOTE=GettingTang;2915266]13. I'll be staying on Soi 10 at "THE STAY HOTEL" It looks like a decent hotel. Can I walk to so six from there?[/QUOTE]You can walk anywhere. The question is would you want to. It is a 20 minute walk. You can always take a motorbike taxi, baht bus, or Grab taxi.

[QUOTE=GettingTang;2915266]14. Since I won't have cell phone service because I use straight talk, I'll be relying on Wi-Fi. Do most of the bars, and different places around the restaurants the open beer bars, places like that do they have Wi-Fi connections?[/QUOTE]This is 2024. You better go to AIS at Central Festival Mall to get a SIM card as soon as your hit town. Why go through all of that when you can have 24/7 internet for $20 for an entire month.

[QUOTE=GettingTang;2915266]I have a November trip planned to Pattaya and I'm meeting another fellow monger there.

So here's a list of my questions that after reading the last 120 pages, I was still unable to find answers for. Some of them you might find almost comical, but they are actually real things to me. I believe in using any and all advantages when it comes to mongering.

1. I have a trimmed and kept beard about an inch or so long. I've read or heard the Thai women do not like or not as attracted to men with beards. I'll shave it off, even though it's kind of my identity, I could go without a beard for a couple of months it gives me an advantage, the women?

2. I can't believe this wasn't discussed, maybe it was and I missed it? But are Thai women into using toys? I have a pretty serious collection of toys some of which cost thousands of dollars dollars like a fucking machine, etc. And I'm not going to bring that to Thailand, but like a magic wand or handheld vibrators or dildos? Any of you ever use these on Thai women?

3. Yes, I'm a white American, I'm about 5 foot 11, this past year I've gotten my rear end in pretty good shape, I definitely don't look my age of 58. Where I fit in the "looks" department and I don't really care. I'm a man, not something I worry about, BUT What would be the best category of women for me to pursue in my position?

4. I like slutty women. Yes from time to time I want to do the young, sweet and shy girl but honestly as an older man who's lived a lot of life and had a lot of experiences. I like a good old-fashioned slutty woman. LOL I like a woman who likes to fuck. I like a woman who likes to suck dick and gets OFF on it. And occasionally I like a threesome. What are the odds of finding some real sluts in Pattaya? I can't stand the whole mechanical transaction like Tijuana. Been there done that. I will go out of my way to find the women who the money is secondary to. Where if any, is the best place to find these type of women?

5. I have been communicating via fetlife with the owners a (husband and wife, a Thai wife) of the gentleman's club called "whisper lounge" in Pattaya. They have assured me that most anything on my fantasy list can be found there. I looked at their website and they have photos of several of their women and they look OK. They are not stunners, but they are definitely fuckable by my standards. Has anyone been to this club and what would be your review of it?

6. I reading the gentlemen's clubs are cheaper. What are the best gentlemen clubs in your opinion and what are the price ranges to be found?

7. Read the first 120 pages of this Pattaya thread, I feel like Soi 6 is going to be my go to spot for the evening to find my last woman of the night. I'm not really going to be into going upstairs. I want to take back to my room where I can operate more freely and try and avoid the wham Bam type scenario that I mentioned above. How much is this going to set me back? Or is it really just better to take them upstairs and do the deed and leave? This leads to my next question of where and how is the best place to get a girl if you want her to stay for a few hours or long-term. Maybe even till morning?

8. to find the girls that are willing to do a threesome and would actually be into the idea of it and would get into having some pussy themselves, where is the best place to find this. I'm thinking to pick up a little hottie on Beach Road and ask her if she wants to bring a friend? Or would Soi 6 possibly be better for this?

9. I like a good bareback blowjob, I like a blowjob artist, I was spoiled rotten with a sugar baby here in the states who literally could orgasm from giving head. She liked it that much and she was that good at it. Any chance of finding that level of a blow job In Pattaya? Also, at the blowjob bars, can you do freaky things where you like you and another monger sit next to each other and you each have a girl sucking you off and then they switch and stuff like that? I like a good kinky scenario from time to time. It's like watching porn only live.

10. I want to have a massage in my room during the day, want a happy ending some days and probably just a massage others days if I need to recharge. Skip the happy ending, how much can I expect to pay for both types of massage and where is the best place or resources to find a reasonably placed women to come to my room for a massage?

11. Condoms, for 28 years of mongering I've always just used my own common sense and it hasn't let me down yet. I've never picked up anything. Yes I like to go raw. Who doesn't? The actual real feeling of that pussy, skin on skin, can't be replicated wrapping plastic around your dick. LOL how do you bring up negotiating this with the girls? Now I can tell you right now because I have my own methodology for who I'll wrap up and who I won't with. Some of the girls I may negotiate to go bareback with and then I might change my mind once the panties come off. It just depends. I've been snipped, so no worries about knocking anyone up.

12. I like good authentic Thai food like curry, pad Thai, and every once in a while, a good steak. Where are the best places to find these things? What are your favorite go to restaurants. I'll be on Soi 10.

13. I'll be staying on Soi 10 at "THE STAY HOTEL" It looks like a decent hotel. I included breakfast in my booking and it cost me about $63 per night which I know is ridiculous for Pattaya, especially booking this far in advance, but I am funny about my accommodations, I like to be comfortable and this is actually a real vacation for me. Anyone stay there and what are your thoughts on it? Can I walk to so six from there?

14. Since I won't have cell phone service because I use straight talk, I'll be relying on Wi-Fi. Do most of the bars, and different places around the restaurants the open beer bars, places like that do they have Wi-Fi connections?

15. And Thai Friendly, I've read a few times that it's basically a waste of time to start working that well in advance and that you should just do it once you're on the ground. If I get on Thai friendly and say 3 o'clock in the afternoon and I start messaging girls what are the odds that I'll be meeting up with one off of there by that evening? And is ฿2000 a reasonable expectation for a semi-attractive woman to come to your room for a couple of rounds?

November 12 through the end of the month I'll be there. If you're going to be there the same dates or part of the same dates, hit me up. The girls are great and all, but it's nice to have a fellow Western to chitchat with and share a beer with from time to time.

Any of these questions any fellow mongers can answer answer is greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]Ok here goes on my own two cents:

1. The beard. If it's your identity do NOT shave it. You are 58 not 25. As such, the girls will look at your clothes, wallet and smile before your beard. If the clothes look decent and suggest cash, and you are not a cheap Charlie so buy drinks etc, and are polite to them, I would be literally amazed if you get a single rejection because of your beard. Keep it.

2. Toys. Absolutely no issue. I have my own collection and about one third of my suitcase weight on the flight was taken up with them! No issue in airports and got to use every single thing in my recent trip. The girls will be very willing provided you make clear it's all fun and all very optional. They don't like it (not just Thais but worldwide) if they think they are being made to use them. I always say "I respect the ladies so if you want to play and have some fun with these great but don't worry if not". If you keep it fun they'll go for it (particularly in gents clubs. See below).

3. Gents clubs. Slightly older but not a lot. Thai girls get to 29 and think they are too old for Agogos. Not true but a lot of them think so. So they head to GCs.

4. Again. Gents clubs. Several of your other questions relate to this one so see below.

5. One of the very few I've never been to. Give it a go but I suspect you'll find some of the better known might be better. Again see below.

6. Ok so whilst to each their own, my favourites are (a) Club Fate (b) New club on dark side Kiss (c) Club Purple on Bongkok 8. Not the Purple Cafe. (d) High rollers (e) Kinaree (f) catflaps. Prices. Nothing to enter in any of them. Drinks all very cheap. Beer bar prices a lot less than agogos on Walking St and elsewhere.

7. Totally disagree that Soi 6 will end up being your go to. It doesn't fit most of your detailed criteria. It is very much wham bham. A LOT of pretty young girls. Many of them very young, all keen and eager to please given they make cash out of the drinks you buy first. But they'll get you in the room and a lot of them want you to nut quickly so they can get back out front to snare the next punter. By all means take a look, but most of them will prefer you do the deed on site so they can get outside to get the next Joe after you, very little kinky stuff on 6, mostly just suck and fuck with a hottie for ST. I'm 60 so a little older. But am in a gym 6 days a week and can outlift 90% of the guys in the gym. But the girls on Pattaya don't care. They want young boyfriends (mainly Thai) so they will NOT be bothered that you've done wonders for 58. On Soi 6 most them want a quick drink, quicker fuck, next customer please. /.

8. 99% of them will lie to you that the are into threesomes. Truth is they are not. They want to eat pussy as much as you want root canal treatment but if you are paying enough they'll do it.

9. BBBJ. Available 99% of places in Thailand! No problem. Bareback. Not my thing at all and I think you are crazy and just asking for something which will trash the second part of your trip. Known that there is an untreatable strain of gonorrhoea there now which oozes gunge out of your dick. Lovely. Trust me. Get it and your mongering is dead for a month and you'll never ride bareback ever again. Get some decent ultra think condoms and you'll barely notice.

Kinky. Lots of it in Gents Clubs. Open nudity and play in Catflaps, Honey Lounge and many others. Your BBBJ scenario (later) happens daily in most Gc's.

10. There are thousands of good massage places without them coming to your room. You are located amidst a lot of them. Just go outside and pick.

11. Never stayed there so cannot comment but you should maybe think of spreading it around. Wave hotel Beach road is superb as is Soverign Jomtien. Which is quieter and better value for money and not that far.

12. No idea. I don't eat Thai food.

13. Condoms. Take your own and try ultra feel to avoid the above scenario.

14. TF - don’t bother - So many other options straight in front of you to need a quickie mid afternoon

15. Massage - available everywhere from 300 Bhat up to 1500. All dirt cheap - fill your boots.

That’s about it for my comments. You’ll have a blast - report back please .

Looking for recommendations for a higher end massage salon or spa in Pattaya where you can enjoy BOTH a professional massage and a quaranteed happy finish (preferably BBBJ). Or is this too much to hope for? In my experience it really seems that this is very much an either / or case and that you will not get both services at the same place. The more upscale places offering a quality massage usually don't have the extra services and also have older ladies working there and you would not be interested in them. And it is hopeless to get a really good massage in a Soi Honey type shop. Any exceptions you have experienced? Thanks in advance.

Yo Getting Tang.

I'm hideous, bearded, fat, old long haired stoned Yank. I am clean and do smell well, and my wallet bulges more than John Holmse's Johnson and the girls know it. I beat them off with a stick in Bangkok, not just the glorified brothel you are going to. When in doubt flash more cash.

[QUOTE=GettingTang;2915266]
1. I have a trimmed and kept beard about an inch or so long. I've read or heard the Thai women do not like or not as attracted to men with beards. I'll shave it off, even though it's kind of my identity, I could go without a beard for a couple of months it gives me an advantage, the women?[/QUOTE]There's no need to do that, as you are 58 it will not make a great difference.

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2. I can't believe this wasn't discussed, maybe it was and I missed it? But are Thai women into using toys?[/QUOTE]Thai's are the same as any other, some will like it, others will not so take it easy.

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3. Yes, I'm a white American, I'm about 5 foot 11, this past year I've gotten my rear end in pretty good shape, I definitely don't look my age of 58. Where I fit in the "looks" department and I don't really care. I'm a man, not something I worry about, BUT What would be the best category of women for me to pursue in my position?[/QUOTE]Just look for those who reciprocate, it won't be too hard.

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5. I have been communicating via fetlife with the owners a (husband and wife, a Thai wife) of the gentleman's club called "whisper lounge" in Pattaya. They have assured me that most anything on my fantasy list can be found there. I looked at their website and they have photos of several of their women and they look OK. They are not stunners, but they are definitely fuckable by my standards. Has anyone been to this club and what would be your review of it?[/QUOTE]If you want BDSM, The Castle is recommended by those that are into it.

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12. I like good authentic Thai food like curry, pad Thai, and every once in a while, a good steak. Where are the best places to find these things? What are your favorite go to restaurants. I'll be on Soi 10.[/QUOTE]A good location, I agree about Patricks for excellent steaks, Longhorn and Beefeater are a step behind but very good. On my last trip, I also indulged myself at Horizon at the Hilton where their steaks are great too.

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13. I'll be staying on Soi 10 at "THE STAY HOTEL" It looks like a decent hotel. I included breakfast in my booking and it cost me about $63 per night which I know is ridiculous for Pattaya, especially booking this far in advance, but I am funny about my accommodations, I like to be comfortable and this is actually a real vacation for me. Anyone stay there and what are your thoughts on it? Can I walk to so six from there?[/QUOTE]I've not been there for a few years but it was really good with big rooms and very quiet. It does need a refurb though.

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14. Since I won't have cell phone service because I use straight talk, I'll be relying on Wi-Fi. Do most of the bars, and different places around the restaurants the open beer bars, places like that do they have Wi-Fi connections?[/QUOTE]Get a Thai sim as you will need it, relying on bars and other locations for WI-FI will not be convenient. There will be many times you won't be able to connect and all too often you will be asking for the password. A Sim might set you back about 300 THB if you need it for a week, I think I paid 900 THB as I needed it longer.

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15. And Thai Friendly, I've read a few times that it's basically a waste of time to start working that well in advance and that you should just do it once you're on the ground. If I get on Thai friendly and say 3 o'clock in the afternoon and I start messaging girls what are the odds that I'll be meeting up with one off of there by that evening? And is ฿2000 a reasonable expectation for a semi-attractive woman to come to your room for a couple of rounds?[/QUOTE]I use it a lot and never start a conversation until about an hour before I want to meet, then I always ask then to come over right away and it's always a surprise if they show up in 20 minutes. Prices are 1000 and up, I find the sweet spot to be getting closer to 2000 these days but I have still paid 1500 for for a good session or paid more for an average session. Filters on the photo's are nearly standard and you often end up with someone that does not look as good, it's also common to lie about age and weight. A review on [URL]https://tfmi.wtf[/URL] helps avoid the worst experiences.

[QUOTE=GettingTang;2915266]13. I'll be staying on Soi 10 at "THE STAY HOTEL" It looks like a decent hotel. I included breakfast in my booking and it cost me about $63 per night which I know is ridiculous for Pattaya, especially booking this far in advance, but I am funny about my accommodations, I like to be comfortable and this is actually a real vacation for me. Anyone stay there and what are your thoughts on it? Can I walk to so six from there?

14. Since I won't have cell phone service because I use straight talk, I'll be relying on Wi-Fi. Do most of the bars, and different places around the restaurants the open beer bars, places like that do they have Wi-Fi connections?[/QUOTE]I was at The Stay Hotel last fall. Outstanding location, huge decent rooms, good (but pricey) buffet breakfast. Not a lot of choice at the breakfast buffet but the food is very good IMHO. To get to Soi 6 it is best to walk from the hotel to Second Road, a two minute walk. Hop on a baht bus (runs every minute or two) and pay B10, and get off on Soi 6. Returning from Soi 6, walk to Beach Rd and a baht bus will drop you off at Soi 10. It's a 1 or 2 minute walk to the beach from the hotel and maybe 10 minutes walk to Treetown. 7-11's, ATMs, cheap laundry are nearby. The Stay is an excellent choice although US $63 is not cheap. I got it for US $40 in low season.

The others' advice about getting a Thai Sim Card is very good advice. It's nice to have a local number to call girls, Bolt, airlines, etc. Just make sure your phone is unlocked. You'll need your phone to be unlocked to use a Thai Sim Card.

[QUOTE=GettingTang;2915266]4. I like slutty women. Yes from time to time I want to do the young, sweet and shy girl but honestly as an older man who's lived a lot of life and had a lot of experiences. I like a good old-fashioned slutty woman. LOL I like a woman who likes to fuck. I like a woman who likes to suck dick and gets OFF on it. And occasionally I like a threesome. What are the odds of finding some real sluts in Pattaya? I can't stand the whole mechanical transaction like Tijuana. Been there done that. I will go out of my way to find the women who the money is secondary to. Where if any, is the best place to find these type of women?

9. I like a good bareback blowjob, I like a blowjob artist, I was spoiled rotten with a sugar baby here in the states who literally could orgasm from giving head. She liked it that much and she was that good at it. Any chance of finding that level of a blow job In Pattaya? Also, at the blowjob bars, can you do freaky things where you like you and another monger sit next to each other and you each have a girl sucking you off and then they switch and stuff like that? I like a good kinky scenario from time to time. It's like watching porn only live.[/QUOTE]Avoid beer bars at all cost, that's the straight opposite of what you want. Soi 6 will be a waste of time unless perhaps you want to invest time and money with vanilla sex LT first (ST is pure wham-bam) and then shower a girl with $$ dunno, perhaps that could work, but that's very inefficient.

Try Lips Lounge Soi Honey for one type of entertainment, Kink for another type. Freaky slutty things are the bread and butter in both, just different freaky.

And GCs, especially Purple Club & Carre Blanc both on Soi Bongkot 8, Club Fate, Telephone Bar Club, but I've seen things happen in many other. Go for the older ladies! The older the sluttier, usually.

[QUOTE=GettingTang;2915266]14. Since I won't have cell phone service because I use straight talk, I'll be relying on Wi-Fi. Do most of the bars, and different places around the restaurants the open beer bars, places like that do they have Wi-Fi connections?[/QUOTE]Some do, but it's a pain. Get an eSIM, not a regular SIM, it has absolutely no relation to the SIM and plan back home. You'll keep your home number live, all the apps and setup. Totally worth it, and something like $10, and no waiting in the mobile operator's office (you send a picture of your ID document online).

[QUOTE=GettingTang;2915266]15. And Thai Friendly, I've read a few times that it's basically a waste of time to start working that well in advance and that you should just do it once you're on the ground. If I get on Thai friendly and say 3 o'clock in the afternoon and I start messaging girls what are the odds that I'll be meeting up with one off of there by that evening? And is ฿2000 a reasonable expectation for a semi-attractive woman to come to your room for a couple of rounds?[/QUOTE]It's the best place to look for hot girls, you just have to select well. I've had only good experiences, but I was very picky. Write with many girls at the same time, it will work out with few. Drop any contacts that: sound fishy, ask strange questions or spam you. Video call via Line, drop contacts who refuse to or send you more pics instead. That can take up to 2-4 hours, since the girls respond with much delay, so best to start after lunch. But then you've probably screened girls for the next few days, so it will be much quicker.

You just never know.

Soi 6 is Volatile.

Liquids of all places on Tuesday may14 has quite a collection of acceptable girls. Like maybe 5. Usually they got None. Hahaha.

(QUOTE=GettingTang;2915266]I have a November trip planned to Pattaya and I'm meeting another fellow monger there. We're going to do our own thing but maybe have a beer from time to time and go on the prowl a couple times probably together. If there's any other mongers going to be there between November 12 and the end of the month hit me up, and I'll buy you some drinks and we can strategize together and you can join me in my new friend as well).

I'll be there Nov 7th - 21st. First time for me in Asia. I wouldn't mind grabbing a beer and twat hunting together LOL. I am staying down by walking street on beach Road. Baywalk. The video I've watched on soi 6 don't really include many girls that do it for me. I'm looking for the young spinners, I know it will cost but I'm also hoping TF will come through too. I would imagine a lot of the girls from Vietnam and Cambodia use it since they can't work in go gos.

[QUOTE=GettingTang;2915266]13. I'll be staying on Soi 10 at "THE STAY HOTEL" It looks like a decent hotel. I included breakfast in my booking and it cost me about $63 per night which I know is ridiculous for Pattaya, especially booking this far in advance, but I am funny about my accommodations, I like to be comfortable and this is actually a real vacation for me. Anyone stay there and what are your thoughts on it? Can I walk to so six from there?[/QUOTE]Came back a few weeks ago from my last trip and I spent a few weeks at page 10 hotel which is next doors basically from where you will be staying, can't say anything about your hotel but from what I saw from outside but it looks good, good WIFI / internet as I could see the connection from my hotel / room and front looks good although hardly new / fresh. Location is great, go towards beach road if you want to go south (walking street) or the other way if you want to go towards soi 6/ other areas and gents clubs. I would not recommend walking to soi 6 as its bit of distance.

I never woke up in time for hotel breakfast at vacations so I always skipped that but took a few minutes walk to Hemingway's restaurant which is an absolute gem if you want to relax in a good western place for that "feeling of home", great western food, tv everywhere for sport events and its very popular among non-Thai There are a few 7/11 close as well as a couple of massage shops so starting the day and getting whatever you need, a foot massage and meal there and you are ready for a day of fun.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2915318]..... my wallet bulges more than John Holmse's Johnson and the girls know it......[/QUOTE]The girls run to a bulging wallet but run away from a bulging crotch unless next to it is an even bigger protruding pocket.

Besides freelancers, is BBFS available? Bars, discos, massage joints, etc? Can one get it there? Any other thoughts?

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2915566]Besides freelancers, is BBFS available? Bars, discos, massage joints, etc? Can one get it there? Any other thoughts?[/QUOTE]I have had it there, but your best chance is with Freelancers on WS, in the discos (Insomnia,) and the girls online such as Thai Friendly and Fiwfans. Just going to have to ask them, all they can do is say no. Be prepared to offer a little more baht also as a tip. Getting BB it in massage places, go go bars, Soi 6, G Clubs can happen on occasion but you may need to develop into a good client or have great chemistry with a gal that is willing.

1500 offered and accepted. Was it worth it-yes.

Problem was size of Tiddies. End of experience.

Everything else in order, face, gap proportions etc. Hahaha.

Soi 6 is fine. Budget entertainment.

Any oil massage aficianados know the current going rate for a one hour oil massage with HJ finish?

When I was there last year it was still around 700-800 THB if I remember correctly. Curious if anything has changed or how much others are being charged.

Gracias.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2915735]Any oil massage aficianados know the current going rate for a one hour oil massage with HJ finish?

When I was there last year it was still around 700-800 THB if I remember correctly. Curious if anything has changed or how much others are being charged.

Gracias.[/QUOTE]It's still the same. They ask for 1000, but you can bring it down. You can even get an BBBJ / CBJ for this price. Try the ones around Walking Street. Not all of them offer extras.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2915735]Any oil massage aficianados know the current going rate for a one hour oil massage with HJ finish?

When I was there last year it was still around 700-800 THB if I remember correctly. Curious if anything has changed or how much others are being charged.

Gracias.[/QUOTE]Although I do my best to avoid the happy ending only with only a HJ, when I have found myself in the situation where the massage therapist was not offering me the services I was seeking for the price I was willing to pay the price was indeed 700 THB.

HEM with BBBJ / CIM 1000 THB.

HEM with CFS 1200 - 1500 THB.

Happy ending massage (HEM) is one of my favorite activities here in Pattaya!

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2915566]Besides freelancers, is BBFS available? Bars, discos, massage joints, etc? Can one get it there? Any other thoughts?[/QUOTE]Is. But keep handy some metronidazole or tinidazole (for trichomoniasis). Viral STDs, such as herpes, must be treated with antiviral drugs.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2915834]Although I do my best to avoid the happy ending only with only a HJ, when I have found myself in the situation where the massage therapist was not offering me the services I was seeking for the price I was willing to pay the price was indeed 700 THB.

HEM with BBBJ / CIM 1000 THB.

HEM with CFS 1200 - 1500 THB.

Happy ending massage (HEM) is one of my favorite activities here in Pattaya![/QUOTE]Thanks for the feedback Sub and SeaWalker.

Perhaps the most enjoyable aspect of Pattaya is simply walking around and endulging in the countless massage shops littered throughout the city. $20 for a nice rub and tug is insane value.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2915881]Thanks for the feedback Sub and SeaWalker.

Perhaps the most enjoyable aspect of Pattaya is simply walking around and endulging in the countless massage shops littered throughout the city. $20 for a nice rub and tug is insane value.[/QUOTE]You are welcome [B]CaliGuy[/B]. Posts like yours make me want to continue to share information.

For me heading away from the beach on Central Pattaya Road past Soi Buakhao presents some of the best offerings Pattaya has. Plus good food, gold shops and medical care are on offering there also. Do not sleep on the offerings on the side streets as you walk down Central Pattaya. But I have never been to the Darkside.

Buddy's Bar had one of the Prettiest girl I've seen in a few years in Thailand, white skin. Don't know if she was on offer. Soi Honey.

If you ever wondered if ugly tall ladyboy massagist get customer s the answer is I Guess So.

A big Swede took one for a massage in Soi Honey.

Soi 6 Goodfellas got interior upgraded. Had people inside. Don't know if paying Customer s though. The 3 300 lb girls probably were Fired. No worries there's other places who would love them on their payroll. Hahaha.

I'm inner channeling my Goatsvroat.

In 1999 massages could be had by attractive girls. Now only girls on offer are those attractive to our BeLoved SUB. LOL.

Yes I realize there are Exception s.

I see them but they are so hard to find when you see one you really aren't looking for one.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2915864]Is. But keep handy some metronidazole or tinidazole (for trichomoniasis). Viral STDs, such as herpes, must be treated with antiviral drugs.[/QUOTE]In case of problem Better go direct tò Bangkok Pattaya hospital in second Road instead of suffer alone in the room. Better in the day.

[QUOTE=FortyDrinks;2916104]I'm inner channeling my Goatsvroat.

In 1999 massages could be had by attractive girls. Now only girls on offer are those attractive to our BeLoved SUB. LOL.

Yes I realize there are Exception s.

I see them but they are so hard to find when you see one you really aren't looking for one.[/QUOTE]Not a very useful post.

There are attractive massage ladies, but you have to look for them, same as back in 1999. No point in asking where, because attractive massage ladies don't last very long before some lonely guy throws money at them.

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[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2916028]You are welcome [B]CaliGuy[/B]. Posts like yours make me want to continue to share information.

For me heading away from the beach on Central Pattaya Road past Soi Buakhao presents some of the best offerings Pattaya has. Plus good food, gold shops and medical care are on offering there also. Do not sleep on the offerings on the side streets as you walk down Central Pattaya. But I have never been to the Darkside.[/QUOTE]How about the TF rates? Last year I was getting ST off TF for 1,000-1,200 THB. I recall you would get around the same. Any changes in pricing there?

Wouldn't surprise me if 1,500 has become the standard or at least the expectation from the ladies as it kind of was last year, but a little bargaining and sending out ample messages on TF goes a long way.

Anyone happen to see any electric bike rentals around town, I haven't had any luck with Mr Google.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2916287]How about the TF rates? Last year I was getting ST off TF for 1,000-1,200 THB. I recall you would get around the same. Any changes in pricing there?

Wouldn't surprise me if 1,500 has become the standard or at least the expectation from the ladies as it kind of was last year, but a little bargaining and sending out ample messages on TF goes a long way.[/QUOTE]Decent-looking Ladies on TF have been quoting 2000 for some time as far as I'm concerned.

Hottest girl on Walking Street is at Sharks. Just might spend $175 for a short time.

There just isn't any Hotter.

I made contact and she seemed Ok. I'd be perfectly fine if she just lay there like a Dead Fish. She is that Hot.

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[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2916287]How about the TF rates? Last year I was getting ST off TF for 1,000-1,200 THB. I recall you would get around the same. Any changes in pricing there?

Wouldn't surprise me if 1,500 has become the standard or at least the expectation from the ladies as it kind of was last year, but a little bargaining and sending out ample messages on TF goes a long way.[/QUOTE]I was in Pattaya a few weeks ago. The most common asking price is 1500. Some above average or hot looking girls ask for 2000.
I had no problem finding good looking girls for 1500, for BBBJ and BBFSCIP.

[QUOTE=GettingTang;2915266]
8. to find the girls that are willing to do a threesome and would actually be into the idea of it and would get into having some pussy themselves, where is the best place to find this. I'm thinking to pick up a little hottie on Beach Road and ask her if she wants to bring a friend? Or would Soi 6 possibly be better for this? [/QUOTE]You could try Thai Friendly, but you will probably have to send many messages to random girls before you hit the jackpot. Over the years I have seen only a few girls on TF who wrote in their profile that they like women too. Of course you could mention in your own profile that you're looking for a MFF threesome, but I'm not sure if TF accepts this.

[QUOTE=GettingTang;2915266] 10. I want to have a massage in my room during the day, want a happy ending some days and probably just a massage others days if I need to recharge. Skip the happy ending, how much can I expect to pay for both types of massage and where is the best place or resources to find a reasonably placed women to come to my room for a massage? [/QUOTE]Be aware that a massage lady (no matter if you want a happy ending or not) will usually ask you to put a towel on the bed, because of the oil she is using. And she might also use the towel to rub excess oil from your body. This means you cannot receive another girl in your room anymore the same day, unless you can get an extra towel from house keeping. If they are still around anyway; they are usually gone after 6 or 7 PM. I don't have much experience with this, so I don't know how difficult or easy it is. It might depend on the hotel and their house rules, and a tip of 50 or 100 THB is most likely expected.

[QUOTE=GettingTang;2915266] 11. Condoms, for 28 years of mongering I've always just used my own common sense and it hasn't let me down yet. I've never picked up anything. Yes I like to go raw. Who doesn't? The actual real feeling of that pussy, skin on skin, can't be replicated wrapping plastic around your dick. LOL how do you bring up negotiating this with the girls? Now I can tell you right now because I have my own methodology for who I'll wrap up and who I won't with. Some of the girls I may negotiate to go bareback with and then I might change my mind once the panties come off. It just depends. I've been snipped, so no worries about knocking anyone up. [/QUOTE]I'm with you here, BBFS is the best. And since I do not want to use condoms at all anymore, simply because I cannot keep it up with a condom, let alone finish, I'm almost exclusively using TF to find my girls. Because in TF you can ask them discretely and beforehand if they are willing to bareback. In a bar or agogo this is usually much more difficult.
Some girls will ask for more money, but I when I say that I never pay more than 1500, they usually bite.
Another option is a massage parlor, where you can whisper in her ear what you want. But good looking (young) girls are quite rare in the parlors.

[QUOTE=GettingTang;2915266] 13. I'll be staying on Soi 10 at "THE STAY HOTEL" It looks like a decent hotel. [/QUOTE]Be aware that there is a beer bar complex at the corner of Soi 10 and Second Road, so very close to the Stay, which is noisy until at least 2 AM every day. So if you are not a night owl, this hotel is not for you.

[QUOTE=GettingTang;2915266] 14. Since I won't have cell phone service because I use straight talk, I'll be relying on Wi-Fi. Do most of the bars, and different places around the restaurants the open beer bars, places like that do they have Wi-Fi connections? [/QUOTE]Buy a SIM card with unlimited data at the airport when you arrive. You can even buy one in the baggage hall, when you're waiting for your luggage. As already said by others, Wi-Fi is a hassle and the SIM cards are not expensive. And beside that you will need the app Line to stay in touch with the girls. I'm sure you've read about Line on this forum.

[QUOTE=GettingTang;2915266] 15. And Thai Friendly, I've read a few times that it's basically a waste of time to start working that well in advance and that you should just do it once you're on the ground. If I get on Thai friendly and say 3 o'clock in the afternoon and I start messaging girls what are the odds that I'll be meeting up with one off of there by that evening? And is ฿2000 a reasonable expectation for a semi-attractive woman to come to your room for a couple of rounds? [/QUOTE]3 o'clock might even be too early, if you want to meet them in the evening. TF gets really going after 7 or 8 PM, and keeps going until the next morning around 8 or 9 AM. Although I don't know if there is a dip in between, because most of the time I'm not online between 11 PM and 7 AM.
And as already said: 1500 THB is a reasonable expectation for a semi-attractive woman to come to your room (although some board members say they get them for (much) less).

I was in Pattaya the last few weeks and on TF 1500 has been the norm, but offering that rate also means you will not get a reply from everyone. In other places it is either 1500 or 2000 (soi 6, LK, Bukhao area). Only a couple of girls in soi 6 or Kinnaree wanted a rubber (although on soi 6 every gave some indication that it could be negotiated, but I wasn't willing to go above 2000). To be clear, with a couple exceptions at 1500 and good service, all the girls I took to a room or my room where below 22. Most below 20 even. Also all between 37 and 45 kg.

To be honest, there also were a handful of these young girls who were willing to have drinks, but came up with excuses to not have to do more (especially on the 6). Some were really all over me with plenty of DFK, during the drink. But nothing more.

On soi 10 I would think the Stay is far enough down the road, not to be too affected by the beer bars. Even Page 10 (which is much closer), isn't affected that badly.

[B]The Cmdr speaks on his experiences with Thai Friendly [/B]

I have many friends that ask me about Pattaya. Question number one is: "How much for (fill in the blank)"?

Of the many prostitutes I have found in entered into negotiations with off of Thai Friendly I have been quoted prices from 800 - 5000 THB (Short Time). I tell me friends that you pay the amount that you want to your prostitutes and you get out of them what you negotiate with them. It is really just that simple. Those who are being honest with themselves will acknowledge that we all have different tastes and we want different things from our prostitutes. No one is providing a list of services that they ask for or detailed descriptions (or photos) of the types prostitutes they like to hire.

I have no problem finding prostitutes that I wish to hire for between 800 - 2000 THB using Thai Friendly. Those who want to be paid on the upper end of the range, I require more out of them. Here is my problem, if I have a prostitute that will provide the services I seek at a lower price than one who wants more money, I have a problem giving my business to the higher priced prostitute. The prostitutes I repeat with give me better and better service. Without adding to the price. That adds value for me. So when I run into a prostitute that is asking for upper end of the range, but I have prostitutes that are providing me with excellent service at the lower end of the range, they better be bringing something new to the table that I am seeking.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2916287]How about the TF rates? Last year I was getting ST off TF for 1,000-1,200 THB. I recall you would get around the same. Any changes in pricing there?

Wouldn't surprise me if 1,500 has become the standard or at least the expectation from the ladies as it kind of was last year, but a little bargaining and sending out ample messages on TF goes a long way.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2916386]
And as already said: 1500 THB is a reasonable expectation for a semi-attractive woman to come to your room (although some board members say they get them for (much) less).[/QUOTE]Exactly how much is [I]much less[/I]?

USD is the base currency I operate in. 800 THB (22.08 USD) - 2000 THB (55.20 USD) that is a 32.40 USD difference between the top and the bottom of the range. 1500 TBH (41.40 USD); 1000 TBH (27.60 USD); the different between those two are 13.80 USD.

[B]Now I am not like this guy[/B]:

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2899334]Dudes, you are arguing over 500 B. Thats $14. I wipe my ass with 20s. Stop embarrassing yourselves.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't deface US currency as it is against the law (in the DisUnited States of America). Exchange places look down upon 20's here in Thailand (especially when they are not crisp and new). Although you could wash the currency after using it to "wipe your ass", that would give an entirely new meaning to the term "money laundering". LOL! I wonder how much my laundry service would charge me for that here in Pattaya. [B]ROTFLMAO[/B]!

If I say I routinely hire prostitutes I find on Thai Friendly for 1000 THB (leaving out everyone's definition of what an attractive prostitute looks like) the point to be made here is a 14.00 difference. Now I do not know everyone's budget, but I would not say I am getting girls off of Thai Friendly for "much less" than the current price consensus.

Some notes on girl-girl action:

First off, a lot of bar girls will go through the motions with another bargirl that she knows, a "lesbi show". Not too satisfying.

Secondly, in real life, there's a cultural taboo against girl-girl relationships. Boy-boy is okay, girl-tomboy is okay, but not girl-girl.

So, the trick is to find the rare bargirl who lusts after another girl, which is not so easy. Some bargirls only lust after a specific girl, otherwise they have no interest.

Occasionally, you will run into a bargirl who can do a lesbi show with another bargirl who is a real lesbian, and then the show gets pretty real.

I personally don't go for lesbi shows, but I know a couple of wannabe lesbians who don't know how or what to do. They just don't get off with sex with men, but they get horny. And if they get the chance, they will feel up another lady. Their problem is it takes money to fuck a lady in Pattaya and they don't have disposable income.

So 2000 for average looking irls is no the norm on soi 6? I saw this on a forum.

Check the pictures. Its just outrageous how they are overcharing tourists.

That girl would never dream of asking more than a 1000 from a thai customer.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2916447]So 2000 for average looking irls is no the norm on soi 6? I saw this on a forum.

Check the pictures. Its just outrageous how they are overcharing tourists.

That girl would never dream of asking more than a 1000 from a thai customer.[/QUOTE]Average price for ST on Soi 6 when I was there last year was 1,000 THB for the lady plus the room fee. Don't be a sucker and pay more than 1,000 THB.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2916399][B]The Cmdr speaks on his experiences with Thai Friendly [/B]

I have many friends that ask me about Pattaya. Question number one is: "How much for (fill in the blank)"?

Of the many prostitutes I have found in entered into negotiations with off of Thai Friendly I have been quoted prices from 800 - 5000 THB (Short Time). I tell me friends that you pay the amount that you want to your prostitutes and you get out of them what you negotiate with them. It is really just that simple. Those who are being honest with themselves will acknowledge that we all have different tastes and we want different things from our prostitutes. No one is providing a list of services that they ask for or detailed descriptions (or photos) of the types prostitutes they like to hire.

I have no problem finding prostitutes that I wish to hire for between 800 - 2000 THB using Thai Friendly. Those who want to be paid on the upper end of the range, I require more out of them. Here is my problem, if I have a prostitute that will provide the services I seek at a lower price than one who wants more money, I have a problem giving my business to the higher priced prostitute. The prostitutes I repeat with give me better and better service. Without adding to the price. That adds value for me. So when I run into a prostitute that is asking for upper end of the range, but I have prostitutes that are providing me with excellent service at the lower end of the range, they better be bringing something new to the table that I am seeking..[/QUOTE]Thanks for all the replies on TF rates.

Sounds like 1,500 is the average price but the range varies.

I'm with you Sub, I'll take the lower end of the price spectrum and pocket the difference for further pay for play sessions or food etc.

Going with a 1 k THB TF lady instead of say the 2 k THB lady, frees 1 k THB. That 1 K THB equates to an hour oil massage with HJ finish and dinner haha.

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[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2916448]Average price for ST on Soi 6 when I was there last year was 1,000 THB for the lady plus the room fee. Don't be a sucker and pay more than 1,000 THB.[/QUOTE]1000 is finished long time ago over there, unless you take the fat ass that blocks your way and force you into her bar.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2916451]Thanks for all the replies on TF rates.[/QUOTE]You are welcome! Like I mentioned before positive feed back creates a desire to share information.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2916451]Sounds like 1,500 is the average price but the range varies.[/QUOTE]Exactly! I make an offer at the price point I think the girl deserves. She either accepts it or counters. If she counters inside the range I'll add a specific service that I want. If she is willing to provide it we have a deal. Like I said, people pay what they want, they get what they negotiate.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2916451]I'm with you Sub, I'll take the lower end of the price spectrum and pocket the difference for further pay for play sessions or food etc. Going with a 1 k THB TF lady instead of say the 2 k THB lady, frees 1 k THB. That 1 K THB equates to an hour oil massage with HJ finish and dinner haha.[/QUOTE]No doubt. Along with the savings of THB, others have confirmed that they have found attractive prostitutes in the overall price range.

Beach Road prices range from 1000 - 2000 THB short time. Plus the cost of a short time room (250 THB). You can save the 250 THB if you take them back to your own room.

Gentleman's clubs are going to be 1000 - 1500 THB for the girl; 400 - 500 for the room; and whatever you choose to spend on Lady drinks and drinks for yourself. You can also bar fine the staff there and I have been told by my friends that the rates for an overnight are reasonable.

[I]It is the man in the arena that counts[/I]

[QUOTE=FreeDude;2916396]
On soi 10 I would think the Stay is far enough down the road, not to be too affected by the beer bars. Even Page 10 (which is much closer), isn't affected that badly.[/QUOTE]They often have live bands playing at those beer bars, and they are very loud.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2916399]
Exactly how much is much less? [/QUOTE]Mr. E. always claims that he pays only 1000 or 1200 Baht for LONGtime.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2916570]Mr. E. always claims that he pays only 1000 or 1200 Baht for LONGtime.[/QUOTE]He not only claims it, but he shows it too. She makes 600 baht all day at 7-Eleven. She makes 1200 baht all night with me.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2916570]Mr. E. always claims that he pays only 1000 or 1200 Baht for [b]LONGtime[/b].[/QUOTE]The original question was about Short Time rates. So, those are the answers that were proffered. I every economy there is the insider rate and the outsider rate. It is up to the individual to know their prices and do what they need to do if they wish to get lower rates.

I suppose that if the question was posed for long time rates the answers would be very different, Many others posting in other threads speak of those prices:

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2908368]For short trips, 2000 baht a day. For extremely long trips 1000 baht a day.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2908672]Yep, 1000 b a day [b]plus expenses[/b] is the number.[/QUOTE]I don't do what they do so for the most part I cannot comment on the rates paid to take your prostitute on trips or to have her spend the night with you. But personally I do not feel that making the comparison between long time prices and short time prices is accurate. Precisely because of the portion I highlighted in bold. The objective measure of price is Cost Per Orgasm (CPO). The formula is that you take the total costs involved in getting your orgasms and divide that total by the number orgasms you received.

Example presented below:

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2911897]A lady with me now talked about her Korean customers. Lots of drinks, not much sex, good money. Except one guy who fucked her 10 times and gave her 10,000 baht.[/QUOTE]So, I would say this guy did pretty good for himself. 10000 THB /10 orgasms = 1000 THB / CPO.

I've been quoted 1500 for ST and 3000 for LT very consistently on TF, in beer bars, massage parlours and GCs. In gogos it's 3000ST, and usually 5000 LT. BJ in a GC would be anything between 500 to 800 or 1000, plus a room fee and LD which bumps the overall prices well above 1000. I have once been offered and took LT for 2000, from a beer bar, but it wasn't worth it at all.

The quoted prices do not seem to depend on the quality of the lady, or her skills, motivation etc. I can totally picture getting very heavy discounts from 50+ year old Ladies, or 40+ in bad shape, especially Beach Road and TF. And even more so if you're a regular. I understand if someone isn't very picky about who they bang, I'm not!, but honestly I can get that back home for free (nymphos).

I would guess it's still possible to negotiate even with the more attractive ladies, but I couldn't be bothered, nor did I want the negative emotions. I'd rather focus on getting best quality in that price range, and I'd pay extra if the performance was really good. I had one hot girl who I tipped just over 500 THB ask me "why are you giving me so much money?" with a totally puzzled look on her face. She was 22, the experience was spectacular, and I really wanted her to come back, she did!

Oh, and taking girls from gogos doesn't really make much sense. You can try it a few times for the experience, but for me their allure is the entertainment skills they have, which don't matter much in a 1-on-1 situation. So it makes sense only if she's hot, very young, and very willing, and you don't feel like looking for a girl elsewhere.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2916575]He not only claims it, but he shows it too. [/QUOTE]You're not showing anything but a 7-11 shirt, show her face bro.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2916386]Buy a SIM card with unlimited data at the airport when you arrive. You can even buy one in the baggage hall, when you're waiting for your luggage. As already said by others, Wi-Fi is a hassle and the SIM cards are not expensive. And beside that you will need the app Line to stay in touch with the girls. I'm sure you've read about Line on this forum.[/QUOTE]To each his own, a physical SIM is OK if your phone is a dual physical SIM device (iPhone is not!) or you're spending at least a few months in Thailand. I've tried both SIM and eSIM, and physical SIM is a big hassle especially when you're exhausted and jet-lagged, and then I had problems with a few of my apps that relied on the phone number. I had no access to my original phone number most of the time and people were trying to reach me pretty often. ESIM could be too expensive in the long run, but it's much more convenient, especially for vacations.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2916386]3 o'clock might even be too early, if you want to meet them in the evening. TF gets really going after 7 or 8 PM, and keeps going until the next morning around 8 or 9 AM. Although I don't know if there is a dip in between, because most of the time I'm not online between 11 PM and 7 AM.
And as already said: 1500 THB is a reasonable expectation for a semi-attractive woman to come to your room (although some board members say they get them for (much) less).[/QUOTE]That was not my experience. At 3 PM TF would be buzzing with life, IMHO it's a good time to start if you don't have contacts established. Perhaps a bit early if you already have contacts, and want a girl at night. Some of the freelancers who have a day job start looking for customers shortly before their shift is over. I would start getting pinged by previous "dates", and girls whom I had not answered the previous day at around 10-11 AM. Also, bored massage girls sit on TF all day. But you know, there's someone on TF at any imaginable hour.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2916447]So 2000 for average looking irls is no the norm on soi 6? I saw this on a forum.

Check the pictures. Its just outrageous how they are overcharing tourists.

That girl would never dream of asking more than a 1000 from a thai customer.[/QUOTE]Whether you like it or not farang will always pay more than Thai.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2916524]1000 is finished long time ago over there, unless you take the fat ass that blocks your way and force you into her bar.[/QUOTE]I got 1 k regularly on Soi 6 just 8 months ago and the ladies I took were attractive. Certainly not tier 1 ladies, but I would say tier 2 ladies and attractive with nice bodies.

I can't imagine things have changed too much in 8 or so months. It was also the deepest portion of low season (Aug, Sept, Oct) so that must help with getting cheaper rates.

You can set two sims on your iPhone, just not two physical so one normal SIM and one ESIM, had no issue setting up it during my last trip, I went for Thai ESIM and had it set online prior to arrival and, worked well, it was 25 USD via AIS for 30 days /60 gb but there are shorter plans as well.

Regarding prices, it's about equal between bars and tf cause although girls are usually cheaper in bars, you also pay for some drinks. But obviously, it varies, some guys here will quote really low numbers and although it's possible it usually requires some specific condition like low season / early during day or late at night when demand is low or a familiarity with the girl. The most common price I paid was 2000, with the cheaper girls you can end up just being disappointed with what shows up at your door, being a cheap charlie works for some but it aint for me.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2916665]Whether you like it or not farang will always pay more than Thai.[/QUOTE]With a defeatist attitude like yours we are all doomed.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2916665]Whether you like it or not farang will always pay more than Thai.[/QUOTE]It's pretty sad if a Thai man pays for sex in Pattaya. Most of the ladies who come to Pattaya are looking for a Thai mate, since they have kids and most can't find a boyfriend in the village where they lived. They are hoping for a Thai man who has money, so the lady can stop work bar, but it's more common for the Thai man to scrounge off her. And, since she works long hours, the Thai man's goal is for him to stop work and use her money to secure other ladies.

No matter how smart a bar girl is when it comes to manipulating Farang customers, if she falls in love with a Thai man, she loses her mind.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2916575]He not only claims it, but he shows it too. She makes 600 baht all day at 7-Eleven. She makes 1200 baht all night with me.[/QUOTE]Your pix show nothing. No face. No body shape. Minimum would be a tight body fitting dress minus the face or better a bikini picture. A lot of what you post is pretty much correct when talking about hotels, transportation, ATM / money, etc. The problem is as soon as you talk about yourself it turns to 90% BS. The worst part is you actually believe all your self hype.

OK, some more tales / advice coming to you from Pattaya. This time about customer types.

There's the East Asian customer, too often blamed for all things wrong in Pattaya. Actually, that's not my experience. I've seen dozens of them drinking by themselves or in small groups and being extremely assertive about not buying LDs. I was quietly cheerleading for them! When they get ripped off, sooner or later we all suffer! I haven't seen considerable money being thrown around, but I suspect the Koreans and Japanese have on average shorter holidays, so they might be less picky about when they really start paying, due to simple time constraints. Most of them are a bit younger than the average farang, I'd say typically aged 35-50. Very few would qualify as "hot", that's also a bit of a myth.

The Lone Russian. Russians abound, not only on Jomtien, but also around Second Road / CentralPattaya Festival. They rarely go into sex venues, but a small percentage of a large number is still noticeable. On a Friday night between 9-11 PM I found myself in multiple gogos, filled exclusively with lone Russians aged 35-40, and non of them was buying LDs. I guess it makes sense for them, it's the cheapest form of entertainment in Pattaya. However, this usually meant that despite not being Russian, I would still get classified as "another one of them", and attention from girls was limited to say the least. I understand, the girls have to profile the customers somehow. Just be aware of it when you pop your head into a gogo.

The Rich Thai. Yes, they exists, and they go to gogos. The giveaway are mixed-sex Asian group, good clothing, and most of all light skin (pointed out to me by working girls). The rich Thai are never shocked by what they see and they come to have fun. They buy LDs. On 3 different occasions they bought ME a drink, usually accompanied by a quote along the lines of "We like the way you are having fun". I dunno if those were status statements, but who cares, the important part was that I had more booze. Unfortunately, their ladies do not get carried away and do not strip.

By the way, from conversations with the ladies I've noticed skin tone is extremely important for the Thais. If you're like me and don't care about it, it might be a good tactic to actually prefer the dark-skinned girls whenever possible. They're just as nice and good looking, but they probably try harder.

I should write also about The Dumb Farang, The Old Farang, and the Thai Escort (to a farang), perhaps I missed a few more.

[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;2916637]You're not showing anything but a 7-11 shirt, show her face bro.[/QUOTE]Actually, getting girls who have a day job is a very good tactic, I did that too, including a girl who used to work in a 7-Eleven. They're not as hardened, they don't get tons of advice from friends / coworkers about how to milk you more effectively, and they don't have the time to do the planning either. And they're more likely to go for the customer they already know rather then the highest bidder, because it's less of a hassle and guaranteed enough sleep before the day shift.

If you're looking for a girl like that, skip all the ones who are posting pictures from sex venues (beer bars, gogos, Soi 6), pics from exclusive parties and / or where they're really well dressed, with professional make-up, in an expensive apartment etc. That usually means that not only is it their full-time profession rather than a gig, but also they're very comfortable with it. Girls who work during the day will not want to meet at all hours, they'll answer messages with delay in the morning / afternoon, and will probably mention something about their shift during a meeting.

By the way, I have been chatted up by 2 or 3 female 7-Eleven employees, offering to "teach me some Thai" and the like. I'm pretty sure they would be open to quickly switch and teach me French, Greek and many other "languages"! But the fact is, they were all just too ugly for me. You can be on the lookout for hotter ones, but on TF you at least know they're willing and able.

[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;2916778]With a defeatist attitude like yours we are all doomed.[/QUOTE]I am not a defeatist, I'm a realist. What do you mean doomed? The money a Thai dude pays a wg, although less than what a farang pays, hurts him much more than the greater amount the farang pays hurts the farang.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2916890]I am not a defeatist, I'm a realist. What do you mean doomed? The money a Thai dude pays a wg, although less than what a farang pays, hurts him much more than the greater amount the farang pays hurts the farang.[/QUOTE]You wrote.

Whether you like it or not farang will always pay more than Thai.

This implies you are ok with being charged more than others even though the man below just posted if a Thai is in a GoGo he probably has money, probably even more than you.

Being charged more than anyone else is never a good thing.

(how what a Thai pays impacts him is always irrelevant, NEWSFLASH all that matters is how what we pay impacts us).

(Go into a top tier Go Go and tell me the high end price gouging is ok because it impacts your imaginary Thai customer even more even if he's charged way less).

This is the most irrational way of looking at price discrimination I've ever seen.

Chill People.

Inflation is not Coming Down.

2nd tier girls are not going for 1,000.

If their are 5 tiers. 5th tier Wins. 5th tier for 1,000 be Mr Alex Trebe k.

HR manager at Goodfellas. Soi 6.

Imagine it was you. You have to tell the three 300 pound short dark skin girls your services are no longer welcomed.

I wouldn't be able to do it. What if they ask WHY. Hahaha.

At the airport, went upstairs and walked outside as usual for a taxi. First dude asked where I was going and I said Pattaya. He said let's go. I said how much. He said 900. Dude next to him butted in 800. Let's go. I guess it is either a buyer's market or maybe this is a 5th tier taxi.

[QUOTE=FortyDrinks;2916965]Mainstream Agogos.

Since when are Thais of any kind being allowed in. There would be Hell to pay as they really aren't cool with Foreigner s soiling their Girls.[/QUOTE]The post was pretty good until he wrote about Thai HiSos going to GoGos.

Unless they own the GoGo.

[QUOTE=FortyDrinks;2916965]Mainstream Agogos.

Since when are Thais of any kind being allowed in. There would be Hell to pay as they really aren't cool with Foreigner s soiling their Girls.[/QUOTE]I don't know how things are really supposed to be, I just report what I see and experience.

So these guys and gals seemed cool with me having my fun even more than the other mongers. Yes, it was a bit strange. I didn't check their IDs, but I did talk to them for a minute or two. One group was upstairs in Kink. If I remember correctly, they were two women, and two men (with one of the men not really talking to me, he moved away). One of the waitresses also confirmed they were Thai as we were talking and they were ordering the drinks for me, themselves and one or two girls at the same time. A day or two later I bumped into one of the women off Buakhao (I'm 90% sure), she waved to me and smiled, which creeped me out a bit. She was sitting behind the wheel of an SUV. So I don't think it's a stretch to assume she and her friends were rich by Thai standards.

The other group was in Coco a gogo off Walking Street, the club with the all-white decorations and lights. They were definitely spending on the drinks and girls, and the drink for me. I asked them about their nationality too. Then there was a third group, but I can't recall where, as I kind of got used to the idea. And I did see similar mixed-sex Asian groups a few times more from afar, though I can't be sure if they were all Thai.

Two years ago there was a 50-year old Thai man (or so he told me) upstairs in Kink, he told me he came out of curiosity, and he was encouraging me strongly to do some naughty stuff with the girls. That creeped me out too, as he spoke good English, and seemed fit in a way consistent with an army officer or policeman (he kept very straight etc.) And the club was half-empty. Call me paranoid, but I decided not to push my luck back then.

[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;2916920]You wrote.

Whether you like it or not farang will always pay more than Thai.

This implies you are ok with being charged more than others even though the man below just posted if a Thai is in a GoGo he probably has money, probably even more than you.

Being charged more than anyone else is never a good thing.

(how what a Thai pays impacts him is always irrelevant, NEWSFLASH all that matters is how what we pay impacts us).

(Go into a top tier Go Go and tell me the high end price gouging is ok because it impacts your imaginary Thai customer even more even if he's charged way less).

This is the most irrational way of looking at price discrimination I've ever seen.[/QUOTE]NEWSFLASH: You're not in Kansas anymore. Many of your preconceived western ideas of right and wrong, discrimination, business plans, and equal opportunity should be forgotten as soon as you enter Thailand. Different pricing for Thais and foreigner is a well accepted policy at various parks, private beaches, and businesses, why would that policy not be extended to hookers?

[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;2916920]You wrote.

Whether you like it or not farang will always pay more than Thai.

This implies you are ok with being charged more than others even though the man below just posted if a Thai is in a GoGo he probably has money, probably even more than you.

Being charged more than anyone else is never a good thing.

(how what a Thai pays impacts him is always irrelevant, NEWSFLASH all that matters is how what we pay impacts us).

(Go into a top tier Go Go and tell me the high end price gouging is ok because it impacts your imaginary Thai customer even more even if he's charged way less).

This is the most irrational way of looking at price discrimination I've ever seen.[/QUOTE]Cognition is important here. I stated "Whether you like it or not farang will always pay more than Thai. " How does one read this and conclude that the writer is ok being charged more than others. If you read someone stating: "Whether you like it or not if you go to the swamp you will be bitten by mosquitoes" are you going to conclude that the writer is ok being bitten by mosquitoes?

No one likes to pay more than another for the same thing but lets not allow anxiety about overpaying to get the better of us.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2917141]NEWSFLASH: You're not in Kansas anymore. Many of your preconceived western ideas of right and wrong, discrimination, business plans, and equal opportunity should be forgotten as soon as you enter Thailand. Different pricing for Thais and foreigner is a well accepted policy at various parks, private beaches, and businesses, why would that policy not be extended to hookers?[/QUOTE][URL]https://12go.asia/en/post/1336/thai-man-cries-foul-over-national-park-entry-fee-for-foreigners[/URL]

[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/722652/two-tiered-pricing-turns-tourists-off[/URL]

[URL]https://www.tripadvisor.ca/ShowTopic-g293917-i9325-k14196579-o20-National_Parks_foreigner_pricing_racist-Chiang_Mai.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2917142]Cognition is important here. I stated "Whether you like it or not farang will always pay more than Thai. " How does one read this and conclude that the writer is OK being charged more than others. If you read someone stating: "Whether you like it or not if you go to the swamp you will be bitten by mosquitoes" are you going to conclude that the writer is ok being bitten by mosquitoes?

No one likes to pay more than another for the same thing but lets not allow anxiety about overpaying to get the better of us.[/QUOTE]Well firstly you are clearly suggesting we just accept defeat.

As opposed to suggesting one complain about it and does something about it.

In response I will always low ball the shit out of them and find other ways to undercut their cheating ie.

Buy way less drinks or zero, whenever possible cut the bar out of the equation, and never ever tip the hookers.

Constantly look for ways to offset the fuckery of their cheating and scamming, that's what I do ie.

They cheat me out of 1000 thb, OK that's cool I'm going to look for ways to.

Offset that and come out even further ahead LMAO.

Pay backs are a MOFO.

[QUOTE=FortyDrinks;2916965]Mainstream Agogos.

Since when are Thais of any kind being allowed in. There would be Hell to pay as they really aren't cool with Foreigner s soiling their Girls.[/QUOTE]My answer is "as long as I can remember" (and that is as long ago as 30 years and as recently as 6 years).

This is based on first-hand experience; that is, knowing the Thais who have visited Cowboy with me. Also, some upper middle / lower "high class" Khmer dudes. One held a Secretary position in the Thaksin Adminstration. (And, I don't mean a "clerk-typist. LOL) Another was a Thai whose father was the Thai Ambassador to a European country.) Another, an assistant professor at a well-known Thai uni. The Khmer were very successful entrepeneurs and government officials in Cambodia.

Generalizations aside, can be very difficult to really know whether a person is Thai, Khmer, or even Filipino. Even among those groups, they can have difficulty in identifying nationality just by appearance.

Now, in only one case did any of them barfine a "dancer". They were just curious about the scene and all thoroughly enjoyed the evenings. In the one case when one of the Thais did barfine, the mamasan explained that the girl could not be seen leaving with him. He was told that the girl could have a boyfriend in the area and it could make for a problem. She did not want to set a precedent. (Maybe the boyfriend would think she was going to get a lower payment. Ha ha ha) I should note that he did choose a "stunner"; what you might call "the pick of the litter". LOL.

In the handful of occasions of which I speak, not once were my Thai or Khmer friends refused entry or service or ignored by the girls at the biggest and "best" bars on Cowboy.

Sam.

[QUOTE=FortyDrinks;2916969]Chill People.

Inflation is not Coming Down.

2nd tier girls are not going for 1,000.

If their are 5 tiers. 5th tier Wins. 5th tier for 1,000 be Mr Alex Trebe k.[/QUOTE]Certainly second tier ladies don't go with you for 1,000 THB. But they do with me. Every man's experience as a monger is different from the next. Kind of like life.

I guess not many repeat ladies want to go to the Red Planet for ST LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2917052]At the airport, went upstairs and walked outside as usual for a taxi. First dude asked where I was going and I said Pattaya. He said let's go. I said how much. He said 900. Dude next to him butted in 800. Let's go. I guess it is either a buyer's market or maybe this is a 5th tier taxi.[/QUOTE]Indeed. Always bargain, it's expected.

Concerning "civvies" and 7/11 girls in Pattaya, many are former bar girls. You may not find that out immediately.

[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;2916920]You wrote.

Whether you like it or not farang will always pay more than Thai.

This is the most irrational way of looking at price discrimination I've ever seen.[/QUOTE]Reality must be a real Btch for you. Please go to your nearest tourist site and try paying the Thai price versus the foreigner price (which is clearly posted). Explain to them how it is unfair and downright evil thing to treat you that way. Please report back.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2917298]Reality must be a real Btch for you. Please go to your nearest tourist site and try paying the Thai price versus the foreigner price (which is clearly posted). Explain to them how it is unfair and downright evil thing to treat you that way. Please report back.[/QUOTE]It happens in many countries and is even official. I went to the main museum in Kolkata, India and I was behind a line of Indians who entered free of charge and I was asked to pay. Same happened at the Victoria memorial in that city and there are probably many other tourist sites with similar payment rules, I suppose you can either pay up or make an about turn.

The world is topsy turvy when Desire Downstairs non girl streamer is Hot.

Too bad she doesn't Barfine. Light or dark skin she was Hot. She was Dark.

In ho hum news. An ugly Middle East Man to a liken to an Ugly Thai girl. Not sure but she turned down what looks like 5,000. He even showed the Cash. They must be really bad customer s. Hahaha.

No Rich Asian would go near this girl.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2917346]It happens in many countries and is even official. I went to the main museum in Kolkata, India and I was behind a line of Indians who entered free of charge and I was asked to pay. Same happened at the Victoria memorial in that city and there are probably many other tourist sites with similar payment rules, I suppose you can either pay up or make an about turn.[/QUOTE]The ferry river-boat that goes from the Colombia / Perú border to Iquitos, Peru down the Amazon River was charging 80 soles for Peruanos but 300 soles for foreigners.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2917298]Reality must be a real Btch for you. Please go to your nearest tourist site and try paying the Thai price versus the foreigner price (which is clearly posted). Explain to them how it is unfair and downright evil thing to treat you that way. Please report back.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2916665]Whether you like it or not farang will always pay more than Thai.[/QUOTE]Its not long ago it used to be lower and then prices started moving upward in a way that has nothing to do with the thai economy but instead has to do with some tourists paying far more than the locals. Thaimen are not paying 2000 baht for an average girl on soi 6. It would be something like around 700. Check my picture in this post. This was taken from thai speaking groups that I have seen. And the girls there are cute. At the moment there is little customers and will proberbly stay that way until December. Prices can be negotiated and you can have it for 1000 baht considering most girls are looking for customers.

[QUOTE=FortyDrinks;2916969]Chill People.

Inflation is not Coming Down.

2nd tier girls are not going for 1,000.

If their are 5 tiers. 5th tier Wins. 5th tier for 1,000 be Mr Alex Trebe k.[/QUOTE]There has not been 100 or 50 % inflation in Thailand? I am amazed that you even think that.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2917162]My answer is "as long as I can remember" (and that is as long ago as 30 years and as recently as 6 years).

This is based on first-hand experience; that is, knowing the Thais who have visited Cowboy with me. Also, some upper middle / lower "high class" Khmer dudes. One held a Secretary position in the Thaksin Adminstration. (And, I don't mean a "clerk-typist. LOL) Another was a Thai whose father was the Thai Ambassador to a European country.) Another, an assistant professor at a well-known Thai uni. The Khmer were very successful entrepeneurs and government officials in Cambodia.

Generalizations aside, can be very difficult to really know whether a person is Thai, Khmer, or even Filipino. Even among those groups, they can have difficulty in identifying nationality just by appearance.

Now, in only one case did any of them barfine a "dancer". They were just curious about the scene and all thoroughly enjoyed the evenings. In the one case when one of the Thais did barfine, the mamasan explained that the girl could not be seen leaving with him. He was told that the girl could have a boyfriend in the area and it could make for a problem. She did not want to set a precedent. (Maybe the boyfriend would think she was going to get a lower payment. Ha ha ha) I should note that he did choose a "stunner"; what you might call "the pick of the litter". LOL.

In the handful of occasions of which I speak, not once were my Thai or Khmer friends refused entry or service or ignored by the girls at the biggest and "best" bars on Cowboy.

Sam.[/QUOTE]Thanks, yeah, I base my assumptions on what these groups told me. Social norms and customs are not gravity, there are always exceptions, and the customs can change over the years. Based on my recent experience, Thais are becoming more and more common in the gogos, and they don't bother me in the slightest bit (and vice versa, apparently).

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2916737]I got 1 k regularly on Soi 6 just 8 months ago and the ladies I took were attractive. Certainly not tier 1 ladies, but I would say tier 2 ladies and attractive with nice bodies.

I can't imagine things have changed too much in 8 or so months. It was also the deepest portion of low season (Aug, Sept, Oct) so that must help with getting cheaper rates.[/QUOTE]The price you're talking about might even have been a price from the past when you were still there in October.

Beginning of October, I could get a few girls at that price, by the end of October I didn't find any under 1500 bahts. Of course I didn't ask all the girls, just a few ones that I wanted to bang. That's why I mostly repeated the one that I liked the most from Utopia for 1500 plus many drinks (drinks were paid because I wanted to spend time with her, she never made it a requirement).

For the moment, I think prices are more tending toward 2000 than going back to 1000, but you'll tell us in August.

Not that I pay attention to how many Thai guys go to gogo bars other than it's very few in general. One night really stood out for me though cause it was weird. MP and I went to Termatik (not the name) gogo on Walking Street. I only went in cause a gogo dancer from Glass House pulled me in. There were about 10 girls and the only 2 guys sitting in the bar were Thai guys. They were there the entire time milking their one beer, not saying a word even to one another, expressionless, no eye contact from any girls, only half paying attention to the stage. I do recall guys mentioning that during COVID gogo bars starting letting in Thai men. I also recall on occasion Thai men come in with Farang, likely clients.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2917171]I guess not many repeat ladies want to go to the Red Planet for ST LOL.[/QUOTE]Red Planet would be pretty cozy for 2 people.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2917191]Concerning "civvies" and 7/11 girls in Pattaya, many are former bar girls. .[/QUOTE]This is actually quite true. I know 2 bar girls and 1 gogo girl now working at a 7-11.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2917298]Please go to your nearest tourist site and try paying the Thai price versus the foreigner price (which is clearly posted). Explain to them how it is unfair and downright evil thing to treat you that way. [/QUOTE]Big thing in the news now in Japan is that Japan has started implementing a 2 tier cost structure for tourists and locals. With the Japanese economy slowing collapsing before our eyes the local Japanese can not afford to pay what bargain hunter tourists can easily afford in Japan. I'm all for it cause the other alternative is the locals shunning tourists like what is starting to happen in Kyoto.

My last gogo review was so long, I started dreading writing the addendum. But here it is.

I visited a few more gogos, including Coco and Sharks off Walking Street, Baccara and Atlantis and one more on WS (only popped in for a minute or two), as well as Catch Me and Top Gun on LK Metro. Plus, I revisited Stunners, but this time it was a disappointment.

So first of all, the gogos directly on WS are absolutely packed, even off season and on weekdays. And by "packed" I mean no seating left whatsoever (perhaps you can squeeze in one thin person). There were even groups of men standing around with drinks in their hands. I moved on to the gogos in the side Sois. Both Sharks and Coco were pretty similar to the average LK Metro gogo. Coco was interesting in that the stage (or stages) where the girls were dancing were in bright white light, and all the girls wore red bikinis / underwear, it gave the place a different feel.

Catch Me and Top Gun on LK Metro had this amateurish feel. Both had some naughty action going on (let's say closer to the Lips Lounge Soi Honey type), not in plain view, but I could easily deduce exactly what was going on. A word of warning though, I could not get the girls to even talk about that type of fun, they pretended to completely not understand what I was talking about even as the action was going on pretty close to us. I was so curious, I bought one of the girls in Catch Me 2 or 3 drinks to break the ice, but to no avail. I conclude you have to be a returning customer first, be well-liked, and then they do it when they feel like it. It's not a standard service, even though it happens a lot. Apart from that, both places are run-of-the-mill gogos, the Top Gun girls were more giggly (which I like).

Stunners was a disappointment this time, the girls recognized me, so I bought LDs for 2 ladies that I remembered from last time. This time the mamasan from the get-go very insistently demanded a drink from me, although I didn't even talk to her. She quickly started raising her voice when I politely declined ("maybe later" With the back and forth, the raised voice and it becoming clear I won't be buying the drink, at some point there was an apparent loss of face of the mamasan. The girls moved away a bit, the atmosphere turned less-than-friendly and I had to feign a smile while drinking the rest of my beer. Payed up and left. Why did that happen? After the first visit I was probably classified as a "dumb farang", who throws around money for no good reason, and can be easily pressured. I had spent a "whopping" 1300 THB for 1. 5-2 hours of great fun with 2 ladies, which absolutely shocked them when it was time to pay. They kept on nervously looking at the bill at me, asking me if it's OK, as if expecting me to go ballistic. For the fun I was having it was a very reasonable price, honestly. But ah well, I guess that's one of the risks of going into an establishment frequented mainly by local farangs on a very tight budget.

I also revisited Windmill, the one on the right, ground floor. What can I say, 3rd time was still not the charm. I sat next to the shower, so a there was something to look at, although for 30-45 minutes I only got attention from the very least attractive ladies. The girls seemed to be interested mainly in the older farangs (60+, mostly first-timers in Pattaya) and some, but not all, of the Asian customers. Finally, I was approached by a better-looking girl. It started well, but literally a minute or two later she said she has to go outside for a moment, then she started doing the shower show, completely forgetting about me. And when her memory came back, she grabbed her LD and started drinking so as to finish it well before the show was over. I didn't appreciate the attitude and I just moved over to one of the "naked ladies table", where she actually came to request another drink from me and declined to take the cue of me "just wanting to watch the show now".

My conclusion is that Windmill is OK for watching the shows if you're in the area. Just make sure you know exactly which one you're going to and which floor. You're much better off skipping the LDs entirely, unless you're a 60+ farang who gets glassy eyes and is unable to fully shut his mouth when a naked 25-year old sits on your lap.

Gee, why are my reviews so long? Anyway, that's it for my gogo reviews, but perhaps I'll post one more, about Kink. And I'll probably post part 2 of the "types of customers" - The Dumb Farang, The Old Farang, the Thai Escort, the Farang with a Thai wife (in a gogo), and the Young Farang Couple in a gogo (very rare, but happens).

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2917298]Reality must be a real Btch for you. [/QUOTE]I believe I smoked out a stalker amongst us. Be advised.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2917395]For the moment, I think prices are more tending toward 2000 than going back to 1000, but you'll tell us in August.[/QUOTE]Of course. But at Easter I could still get a few girls for 1200 although fewer than before. They are also more likely to ask for 2000 so get an offer in before they do.

When watching YouTube videos they always say the Hamadan most likely will ask for a drink and never decline it otherwise it can come off rude and most of the girls are scared of her (as she's the boss) and you not giving her a drink will make them want to stay clear from you not to piss her off and by giving the drink she'll take care of you every time you come in and help guide you towards a girl that fits your wants but damn good on you you spent a lot of money just on lady drinks etc last time and for them to treat you like this that's a shame. I've been to DR lots and eve try one always wants a hand out and sometimes you have to say no you're not a walking ATM machine that can just give shit away for free all the time it's good you saw the true colours and nice report!

[QUOTE=LocalExplorer;2917417]A word of warning though, I could not get the girls to even talk about that type of fun, they pretended to completely not understand what I was talking about even as the action was going on pretty close to us. I was so curious, I bought one of the girls in Catch Me 2 or 3 drinks to break the ice, but to no avail. I conclude you have to be a returning customer first, be well-liked, and then they do it when they feel like it.[/QUOTE]Hell, that makes 2 of us because I have no idea what you are talking about either. Why not make it plain instead of trying to be secret squirrel. You bought 2 or 3 drinks hoping it will get her to understand your secret talk instead of saying I want to put my finger in your ass or grab my dick or whatever the type of fun is supposed to be.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2917395] For the moment, I think prices are more tending toward 2000 than going back to 1000, but you'll tell us in August.[/QUOTE]Thats BS. Prices are not trending towards 2000. There is a shortage of customers and it is proberbly going to continue. You can get lower if you want. You should see what thaimen get when they pay 2000 baht.

Its not an average girl on soi 6. Just ridicoulous! The reason you are saying that is that you want to go in and excuse yourself to pay big money.

We need the US dollar to start to fall to its historical levels. Thats one of the resons behind this jacking up of prices.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2917395]The price you're talking about might even have been a price from the past when you were still there in October.

Beginning of October, I could get a few girls at that price, by the end of October I didn't find any under 1500 bahts. Of course I didn't ask all the girls, just a few ones that I wanted to bang. That's why I mostly repeated the one that I liked the most from Utopia for 1500 plus many drinks (drinks were paid because I wanted to spend time with her, she never made it a requirement).

For the moment, I think prices are more tending toward 2000 than going back to 1000, but you'll tell us in August.[/QUOTE]Hadn't been at Soi 6 for weeks. Went yesterday and sessioned 3 girls. Two of them wanted 1500, one wanted 2000. The girls stated their price beforehand, also a feature of the "new" Soi 6. When 1000 was standard, girls didn't say anything beforehand. They took the 1000 plus tips or no tips at the end of the session and that was that.

Yesterday I had two girls rejecting me by saying the bar had no rooms. In one of the bar the girl said "no room because police", whatever that meant. Might have been just a novel excuse for rejection, albeit a strange one.

As usual I spotted a handful of top girls (tallish, waist-to-hip ratio below 0.80, thin bones, neotenous facial features, narrow shoulder girth). They all made it clear to me, from a distance and from nearby, in half rude half polite fashion, that I was not wanted.

[QUOTE=XXL;2917564]Hadn't been at Soi 6 for weeks. Went yesterday and sessioned 3 girls. Two of them wanted 1500, one wanted 2000. The girls stated their price beforehand, also a feature of the "new" Soi 6. When 1000 was standard, girls didn't say anything beforehand. They took the 1000 plus tips or no tips at the end of the session and that was that.

Yesterday I had two girls rejecting me by saying the bar had no rooms. In one of the bar the girl said "no room because police", whatever that meant. Might have been just a novel excuse for rejection, albeit a strange one.

As usual I spotted a handful of top girls (tallish, waist-to-hip ratio below 0.80, thin bones, neotenous facial features, narrow shoulder girth). They all made it clear to me, from a distance and from nearby, in half rude half polite fashion, that I was not wanted.[/QUOTE]Hearing these reports of increased prices on the 6 makes me all the more curious to see how it is upon my return. Again, this will Benin August, low season. I still have a few Soi 6 ladies I keep up with on Line and they say it's slow. They also say they'll come to my loom as they did last time for ST 1,000.

I also have a few civvies lined up that will be good for the site seeing aspect of Pattaya, namely Koh Larn.

To XXL: you state that they made it clear that you were not wanted. I assume you mean did not want to screw you. If that is the case, what / who do they want? I haven't been for ages but it does not sound like soi six is full of drinks only girls, so what the hell are they doing there?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2917346]It happens in many countries and is even official. I went to the main museum in Kolkata, India and I was behind a line of Indians who entered free of charge and I was asked to pay. Same happened at the Victoria memorial in that city and there are probably many other tourist sites with similar payment rules, I suppose you can either pay up or make an about turn.[/QUOTE]But I believe much of the discrimination in Thailand is based on race, if you go to many museums and show a local ID in Europe or United States you get a lower admission fee, that is based on the rationale that you pay taxes to build and maintain museums, tourists (not so much).

I've been told Thais don't allow that work around, you could be a white guy that lives in Thailand for 50 yrs they are still going to ass fuck you whenever they can.

And I'm still not sure how museums overcharging tourists, justifies hookers doing the same.

Even though its still racist, I think being overcharged by a museum is no where as bad as being overcharged by a hooker based on race.

If a museum posts the rates on a sign, then everyone is getting screwed equally.

Bars and hookers, racistly scamming mongers willy nilly and capriciously is much more nefarious.

Thats why I say "What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander".

Low ball the shit out of them 100% of the time.

Avoid buying drinks.

Cut the bar out of the equation whenever possible.

Why, because pay backs are a MOFO.

[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;2917728]But I believe much of the discrimination in Thailand is based on race, if you go to many museums and show a local ID in Europe or United States you get a lower admission fee, that is based on the rationale that you pay taxes to build and maintain museums, tourists (not so much).

I've been told Thais don't allow that work around, you could be a white guy that lives in Thailand for 50 yrs they are still going to ass fuck you whenever they can.

Cut the bar out of the equation whenever possible.

Why, because pay backs are a MOFO.[/QUOTE]
Race? Maybe you are confusing with nationalities. Never heard of a Thai or European race. Aren't you a racist by any means to hate racists?

Foreigners or non residents are not overcharged, it's local nationalities or residents who are getting a discount on the official entry ticket. Just as senior citizen's, kids, students, maybe army or veterans too (depends on venue, country). Some venues might grant discounts to some specific job categories (journalists is an example in some countries).

I was once granted, to my surprise, a 10% discount at a popular fast food brand for being over 60: I don't think the rest of the customers were overcharged.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2917731]Race? Maybe you are confusing with nationalities. Never heard of a Thai or European race. Aren't you a racist by any means to hate racists?

Foreigners or non residents are not overcharged, it's local nationalities or residents who are getting a discount on the official entry ticket.[/QUOTE]Definitely confusing race with nationality. I was in Kenya a couple of months ago and there is also a price for Kenyans and a higher price for non-Kenyans at the museums and such. In Peru, if you buy a plane ticket there is a price for Peruvians and a price for foreigners. If you show up to the airport without a Peruvian ID after having bought the Peruvian priced ticket then you have to pay the difference plus a fine. It explicitly states that on the website.

[QUOTE=XXL;2917564]Hadn't been at Soi 6 for weeks. Went yesterday and sessioned 3 girls. Two of them wanted 1500, one wanted 2000. The girls stated their price beforehand, also a feature of the "new" Soi 6. When 1000 was standard, girls didn't say anything beforehand. They took the 1000 plus tips or no tips at the end of the session and that was that.

Yesterday I had two girls rejecting me by saying the bar had no rooms. In one of the bar the girl said "no room because police", whatever that meant. Might have been just a novel excuse for rejection, albeit a strange one.

As usual I spotted a handful of top girls (tallish, waist-to-hip ratio below 0.80, thin bones, neotenous facial features, narrow shoulder girth). They all made it clear to me, from a distance and from nearby, in half rude half polite fashion, that I was not wanted.[/QUOTE]I think it is all part of the Night Wish Group business strategy, they own a big chunk of the soi 6 bars. They focus on "drinks only" venues and their girls are instructed so.

Was the same when they ran 2-3 bars in pothole (blue, orange or whatever, maybe they still own them): drinks only, girls trained to lightly tease but not hands on by all means. Just a continuous flow of drinks, diluted for the girls. Good for the girls not willing to spread legs every second hour. Inspired by Japanese and Korean whisky lounges. Where customers spend endless hours with a bottle of whisky and the girls pouring in the glasses. No sex, just getting devastated and drunk patrons then in the streets.

Each one his own.

[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;2917728]But I believe much of the discrimination in Thailand is based on race, if you go to many museums and show a local ID in Europe or United States you get a lower admission fee, that is based on the rationale that you pay taxes to build and maintain museums, tourists (not so much).

I've been told Thais don't allow that work around, you could be a white guy that lives in Thailand for 50 yrs they are still going to ass fuck you whenever they can.

And I'm still not sure how museums overcharging tourists, justifies hookers doing the same.

Even though its still racist, I think being overcharged by a museum is no where as bad as being overcharged by a hooker based on race.

If a museum posts the rates on a sign, then everyone is getting screwed equally.

Bars and hookers, racistly scamming mongers willy nilly and capriciously is much more nefarious.

Thats why I say "What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander".

Low ball the shit out of them 100% of the time.

Avoid buying drinks.

Cut the bar out of the equation whenever possible.

Why, because pay backs are a MOFO.[/QUOTE]Its impossible to be Jai Dee if you are consumed with "pay back" for a real or imagined slight. Could reflect on the prices you are quoted or the treatment you recieve.

I've written this opinion before about race. I'm Chinese American born and raised in the West. I've been throughout the USA In the South, Carolinas, and MidWest, in the City in my youth I wasn't allowed to cross a particular street to go to school which was direct Even in the late 80's Carolinas I was told I couldn't buy beer because of my color.

Nearly 20 years in Thailand, maybe not to Thai standards because Thais in general especially the poor which are the majority don't see it as racism cause they aren't taught generally the real meaning of it. It is like part of their culture to think this way when it is done if you try to explain you see a blank stare on their face. In my life here living with Thais 99.9 daily interacting in the beginning never felt more racist in my whole life back home not so much today only because I've adjusted to letting most of it go but there were times even though Thais were friendly and polite they resent us deeply here one wrong move verbally or physically expect a blowup and snap reaction.

What many here run into is the duel pricing right or wrong it presents. Many years ago, the late K--g noted in one of his Birthday speeches this was wrong, the former PM, once said the same when he was in charge did that change? NO! Their Supreme Court two years ago ruled against a Norwegian case against the Thai government regarding Duel Pricing, the ruling went against their laws the explanation from the court was "Foreigners are generally better off and therefore should pay more " This is the ruling as to why Government hospital can charge you more.

Do I have an advantage at times I do and don't, I've been to many amusement parks in the last few years due to the birth of my granddaughter I do the majority of the driving at the entrance my son does all the buying so I generally pay the Thai price which is general far lower. Most visitors don't see it since they are part of the 2-week millionaire theory just go with the flow. Living here it gets tiring at times what bothers me is going to get medical treatment, especially at the International private ones. Before my granddaughter was born I went to every hospital in the area to find out what a see-section would cost, private wanted 75-100,000 baht and even a public I was quoted 50,000, one receptionist honestly told me if the see-section was ordered by the doctor then it is covered by the national health plan. When everything was narrowed down to the hospital I did the driving and had my son, daughter-in-law, and both mothers go in without and get a price. 53,000 Baht for a see-section 3-night stay. For me the worst thing a person wants when they are sick and hurting be given the " head toe ". Years ago my wife was on her death bed I took her to the Emergency Private Hospital insurance wouldn't cover her because they claimed the condition was inherited by her family while she lay in the bed waiting to be admitted the patient next to her foreigner was pain crying out they knew exactly what he needed but the hospital rep was trying to get a deposit before treatment. Today his cry still rings in my wife's and mine heads " Help Me ".

During Covid, those who were here they couldn't give a shit about us. They made it very clear they weren't going to give any vaccine to us it wasn't until Senator Tammy Duckworth who is part Thai stepped up and forced their hands that 2 million doses would be given but 250-500,000 doses of Pfizer had to be reserved for foreigners not just Americans. Vaccines before Sino-Vac sold by the Chinese were reserved for Thais, and 100,000 doses given by the Italians were reserved for Italians Johnson and Johnson W. Whether it worked or not another discussion Thais front line were given Sino-Vac that wore off or didn't work there was an outbreak within the front line workers death rate was like 25,000 a day? It wasn't until the donation of Pfizer that the pandemic was controlled when I got mine in Bangkok majority of foreigners even Chinese seemed to hate the USA So much were grateful. I felt like waving the US flag and singing the national Anthem LOL.

Racism is front and center in their policies their daily announcements are laced with old-school thinking. I've tested my theory by watching police stations, immigration, and government officials at a few meetings reminds me of when I was young playing at the Chinese so-called Association where my dad was an official when gangs were out of control City leaders and top police representatives would come and address the association leaders telling them to control your boys. Very few words were exchanged my dad and association leaders would just nod in agreement and play along as soon as they left backs turned started laughing.

I have seen these actions growing up visiting Hong Kong, Korea, and Japan with my Dad, Uncles, and older brothers it is all present here in Thailand with their leaders and their policies toward foreigners. It is so embedded into their culture they don't even know what the word means that so many practice it in their daily lives even to their people. Be glad it is just due pricing as long as the exchange rate is 35-1 many don't see it and will continue to come. Enjoy!

[QUOTE=FortyDrinks;2916976]HR manager at Goodfellas. Soi 6.

Imagine it was you. You have to tell the three 300 pound short dark skin girls your services are no longer welcomed.

I wouldn't be able to do it. What if they ask WHY. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]LOL.

That's what the Thai mamasan is here for. She doesn't need to talk, just points to her stick and every girls obey.

Has that bar been taken over by nightwish?

I see some of their managers promoting it and many girls in their line up used to work in the bars near Beach road these last months.

This pictures show what thais are paying for an hour with a young beautiful girl. The price includes the room and condom. In the ads it clearly says that the women does not have any stretch marks and never had a baby. So if thais in Bangkok are paying this prices for girls like this, what are they paying for an average looking girl that is older? 2000 on soi 6? I don't think so.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2917801]This pictures show what thais are paying for an hour with a young beautiful girl. The price includes the room and condom. In the ads it clearly says that the women does not have any stretch marks and never had a baby. So if thais in Bangkok are paying this prices for girls like this, what are they paying for an average looking girl that is older? 2000 on soi 6? I don't think so.[/QUOTE]What site is that?

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2917801]This pictures show what thais are paying for an hour with a young beautiful girl. The price includes the room and condom. In the ads it clearly says that the women does not have any stretch marks and never had a baby. So if thais in Bangkok are paying this prices for girls like this, what are they paying for an average looking girl that is older? 2000 on soi 6? I don't think so.[/QUOTE]Except these pictures do not show anything. On the pics the girls look youngish and probably are, that's all you can say about them. No way you can even begin to guess if these girls are hot (ie have a hot body).

My point is illustrated by a girl's pics below. That's what I mean by "hot body" and "good-looking girl".

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2917801]This pictures show what thais are paying for an hour with a young beautiful girl. The price includes the room and condom. In the ads it clearly says that the women does not have any stretch marks and never had a baby. So if thais in Bangkok are paying this prices for girls like this, what are they paying for an average looking girl that is older? 2000 on soi 6? I don't think so.[/QUOTE]1300 baht for 40 minutes, more time and the price gets higher.

Sounds like Soi 6 pricing, maybe a bit higher.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2917801]So if thais in Bangkok are paying this prices for girls like this, what are they paying for an average looking girl that is older? 2000 on soi 6? I don't think so.[/QUOTE]Thai men are not welcomed in soi 6 bars. You could have known if you ever went there personnaly, and there are also girls there, they are not all old.

What strikes me is that the last few posts have been more and more about how expensive Soi 6 has become. You used to pay 1 K for a beauty, today you pay 2 K for a grandma. Yes, that's right but that's the way things go. I can't change that either. Anyone who continues to go to Soi 6 shouldn't complain afterwards. Everything changes.

Come to Germany. An ST costs a lot less there. And the service is better. LOL.

[QUOTE=MadDin19;2917841]What strikes me is that the last few posts have been more and more about how expensive Soi 6 has become. You used to pay 1 K for a beauty, today you pay 2 K for a grandma. Yes, that's right but that's the way things go. I can't change that either. Anyone who continues to go to Soi 6 shouldn't complain afterwards. Everything changes.

Come to Germany. An ST costs a lot less there. And the service is better. LOL.[/QUOTE]What are you paying and where? I just left Arabella, €10 entry and €40 for the girl, that's about 2000 THB, I am off to an FKK tonight where the entry will probably be €50 and the same for each girl. I find most girls in Germany are cold and mechanical as €50 does not go as far as 2000 THB so they don't feel like working for it.

[QUOTE=MadDin19;2917841]What strikes me is that the last few posts have been more and more about how expensive Soi 6 has become. You used to pay 1 K for a beauty, today you pay 2 K for a grandma. Yes, that's right but that's the way things go. I can't change that either. Anyone who continues to go to Soi 6 shouldn't complain afterwards. Everything changes.

Come to Germany. An ST costs a lot less there. And the service is better. LOL.[/QUOTE]With the new emphasis on drinking, and less on sex, I am seeing older ladies migrating to Soi 6. It used to be difficult for older ladies to survive on Soi 6 because of all the sessions in the room, but now they get customers who just want to buy them watered down drinks.

[QUOTE=GettingTang;2915266]

4. I like slutty women. Yes from time to time I want to do the young, sweet and shy girl but honestly as an older man who's lived a lot of life and had a lot of experiences. I like a good old-fashioned slutty woman. LOL I like a woman who likes to fuck. I like a woman who likes to suck dick and gets OFF on it. And occasionally I like a threesome. What are the odds of finding some real sluts in Pattaya? I can't stand the whole mechanical transaction like Tijuana. Been there done that. I will go out of my way to find the women who the money is secondary to. Where if any, is the best place to find these type of women?

5. I have been communicating via fetlife with the owners a (husband and wife, a Thai wife) of the gentleman's club called "whisper lounge" in Pattaya. They have assured me that most anything on my fantasy list can be found there. I looked at their website and they have photos of several of their women and they look OK. They are not stunners, but they are definitely fuckable by my standards. Has anyone been to this club and what would be your review of it?

6. I reading the gentlemen's clubs are cheaper. What are the best gentlemen clubs in your opinion and what are the price ranges to be found?

7. Read the first 120 pages of this Pattaya thread, I feel like Soi 6 is going to be my go to spot for the evening to find my last woman of the night. I'm not really going to be into going upstairs. I want to take back to my room where I can operate more freely and try and avoid the wham Bam type scenario that I mentioned above. How much is this going to set me back? Or is it really just better to take them upstairs and do the deed and leave? This leads to my next question of where and how is the best place to get a girl if you want her to stay for a few hours or long-term. Maybe even till morning?

8. to find the girls that are willing to do a threesome and would actually be into the idea of it and would get into having some pussy themselves, where is the best place to find this. I'm thinking to pick up a little hottie on Beach Road and ask her if she wants to bring a friend? Or would Soi 6 possibly be better for this?

9. I like a good bareback blowjob, I like a blowjob artist, I was spoiled rotten with a sugar baby here in the states who literally could orgasm from giving head. She liked it that much and she was that good at it. Any chance of finding that level of a blow job In Pattaya? Also, at the blowjob bars, can you do freaky things where you like you and another monger sit next to each other and you each have a girl sucking you off and then they switch and stuff like that? I like a good kinky scenario from time to time. It's like watching porn only live.

10. I want to have a massage in my room during the day, want a happy ending some days and probably just a massage others days if I need to recharge. Skip the happy ending, how much can I expect to pay for both types of massage and where is the best place or resources to find a reasonably placed women to come to my room for a massage?

11. Condoms, for 28 years of mongering I've always just used my own common sense and it hasn't let me down yet. I've never picked up anything. Yes I like to go raw. Who doesn't? The actual real feeling of that pussy, skin on skin, can't be replicated wrapping plastic around your dick. LOL how do you bring up negotiating this with the girls? Now I can tell you right now because I have my own methodology for who I'll wrap up and who I won't with. Some of the girls I may negotiate to go bareback with and then I might change my mind once the panties come off. It just depends. I've been snipped, so no worries about knocking anyone up.


Any of these questions any fellow mongers can answer answer is greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]I second this. I'm a one week millionaire. While I, like everyone else, want a DDG Hottie, I'm more looking to star in my own porn shoot. I'm looking for DT, face fuck, and upside down face fuck. Where is the best place to find this? Some have said Gentlemen's clubs. How about a soapie, or BJ bar, or a beach road worker? Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2917866]What are you paying and where? I just left Arabella, 10 entry and 40 for the girl, that's about 2000 THB, I am off to an FKK tonight where the entry will probably be 50 and the same for each girl. I find most girls in Germany are cold and mechanical as 50 does not go as far as 2000 THB so they don't feel like working for it.[/QUOTE]Sharks? I'll be there next month.

Which gogo bars are full nude in WS, LK or anywhere in Pattaya or are there any? I haven't been there since before covid and it would be nice to know the names of at least a couple of them since roaming around and visiting many randomly just leads to spending too much for drinks for nothing and getting too drunk. I prefer to see the whole package beforehand. Of course sometimes it not only depends on the bar but also on the girl but generally speaking.

[QUOTE=MadDin19;2917841]What strikes me is that the last few posts have been more and more about how expensive Soi 6 has become. You used to pay 1 K for a beauty, today you pay 2 K for a grandma. Yes, that's right but that's the way things go. I can't change that either. Anyone who continues to go to Soi 6 shouldn't complain afterwards. Everything changes.

Come to Germany. An ST costs a lot less there. And the service is better. LOL.[/QUOTE]The way things goes? Yeah if you want to rip off tourists. And how the fuck can Germany be cheaper than an average girl on soi 6? Something must be seriously wrong here.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2917830]Thai men are not welcomed in soi 6 bars. You could have known if you ever went there personnaly, and there are also girls there, they are not all old.[/QUOTE]I know that but we are talking about prices asked from thais compared to rip off prices asked from tourists.

[QUOTE=XXL;2917808]Except these pictures do not show anything. On the pics the girls look youngish and probably are, that's all you can say about them. No way you can even begin to guess if these girls are hot (ie have a hot body).

My point is illustrated by a girl's pics below. That's what I mean by "hot body" and "good-looking girl".[/QUOTE]Belive me, I have seen it and its good quality. Don't try to make excuses here for being overcharged.

Check the photos added here and you see what rip off joints gogo bars in Pattaya are.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2917903]The way things goes? Yeah if you want to rip off tourists. And how the fuck can Germany be cheaper than an average girl on soi 6? Something must be seriously wrong here.

I know that but we are talking about prices asked from thais compared to rip off prices asked from tourists.

Belive me, I have seen it and its good quality. Don't try to make excuses here for being overcharged.

Check the photos added here and you see what rip off joints gogo bars in Pattaya are.[/QUOTE]I paid 1500 plus 1 drink last time I was on Soi 6. She was mid-20's and attractive. All you have to do is say no when they offer a ripoff price. You can go on TF and get girls for 1500-2000 all day long. What's the issue?

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2917903]...

Belive me, I have seen it and its good quality. Don't try to make excuses here for being overcharged.

Check the photos added here and you see what rip off joints gogo bars in Pattaya are.[/QUOTE]Do you mean the "photos added" are pics of hot girls? They aren't! The pics show nothing except poor lower bodies.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2917903]The way things goes? Yeah if you want to rip off tourists. And how the fuck can Germany be cheaper than an average girl on soi 6? Something must be seriously wrong here.[/QUOTE]Because Soi 6 is still cheaper than Germany.

1500 Thai baht = 37 Euros.

2000 Thai baht = 50 Euros.

There are no entry fees to go to Soi 6.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2917191]Concerning "civvies" and 7/11 girls in Pattaya, many are former bar girls. You may not find that out immediately.[/QUOTE]Or they used to be 'civvies' with a normal job, but are freelancers now. But they don't want to admit that, and pretend that they still have that job. Only after some time and multiple sessions, they admit that they don't have that job anymore, because they can earn much more as a freelancer.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2917885]Sharks? I'll be there next month.[/QUOTE]Sharks [B]starts[/B] at €100 for 30 minutes and one shot, and the girls try to charge for everything like a blowjob.

[QUOTE=Pekkakoo;2917888]Which gogo bars are full nude in WS, LK or anywhere in Pattaya or are there any? I haven't been there since before covid and it would be nice to know the names of at least a couple of them since roaming around and visiting many randomly just leads to spending too much for drinks for nothing and getting too drunk. I prefer to see the whole package beforehand. Of course sometimes it not only depends on the bar but also on the girl but generally speaking.[/QUOTE]AFAIK only in Kink at LK Metro, and in Windmill on WS the girls reliably strip down to nothing. There are quite a few gogos where one girl is dancing nude and the other 5 or 10 are topless, just go around LK and pop your head into a few.

In case of Lips Lounge Soi Honey they don't strip entirely by default, but I'm sure they'll do just that if you ask them to (while buying them drinks). Seeing those girls naked would be the most tame part of the whole experience anyway.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2917982]Sharks [B]starts[/B] at 100 for 30 minutes and one shot, and the girls try to charge for everything like a blowjob.[/QUOTE]Thats OK, after a year of Asain, time for some white.

[QUOTE=Pekkakoo;2917888]Which gogo bars are full nude in WS, LK or anywhere in Pattaya or are there any?[/QUOTE]So far, these are the bars I found that has full nudity (as of Dec):

1 & 2) Windmill 1 and Windmill 2 in Walking Street. Raunchy stuff on first and second floor.

3) Kink in LK Metro. Raunchy stuff only on the second floor.

4) Angels in LK Metro. Raunchy stuff only on the second floor.

5) Another bar that has full nudity is Top Gun in LK Metro. There was one girl on the small stage who was nude. But none of the raunchy stuff like the other bars.

Please inform the forum if you find any other ones.

[QUOTE=LocalExplorer;2918000]There are quite a few gogos where one girl is dancing nude and the other 5 or 10 are topless, just go around LK and pop your head into a few.[/QUOTE]Which other bars? I've probably either had a drink or peeked in every bar on LK Metro. Only those 3 listed above.

Too bad they got rid of full nudity in most bars on Walking Street. Those were my favorites. Many cute naked girls!

There's a video circulating of two Brits being beaten by the security thugs on soi 6 in front of Helicopter.

I've read comments that one of them died after receiving a head quick while on the ground.

The violence used by these fat thugs is trully disgusting.

It is said the guys punched a girl in the face and didn't pay the bill but I've not seen any evidence.

Monger safely everyone and don't ever get in trouble with these fat thugs, it's still better to be scammed than beaten to death by these fat *ssholes.

[URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2024/05/26/physical-altercation-between-guards-and-customers-on-soi-6-in-pattaya-goes-viral/[/URL]

An altercation occurred in Pattaya City on Soi Six over the past weekend involving security personnel working for independent bars from an undisclosed entertainment venue and three foreign nationals. The incident, which took place at 5:26 pm On Friday, May 24th, 2024, was captured on video and disseminated through social media, going viral.

There's a video going around with two Brits getting a brutal beating from security at the helicopter bar.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2917954]Because Soi 6 is still cheaper than Germany.

1500 Thai baht = 37 Euros.

2000 Thai baht = 50 Euros.

There are no entry fees to go to Soi 6.[/QUOTE]Hopefully you're not comparing girl's looks on Soi 6 vs FKK clubs like Oase and Sharks. For me that's the most important factor. To even have a fighting chance you need to compare top FKK club girls looks to top gogo bar girls. Even then top gogo bars would lose by a landslide. So now let's compare pricing for a night out at Oase vs a night out at gogo bars. (my numbers may be well dated).

FKK Oase.
Entry 65 (300 for 5 entries).
Drinks and LD. ZERO!
Decent food for the day. ZERO!
2 girls - 200 give or take.
Hours of fun 17 (11 am til 4 am)
Total - 18,500 baht.

Gogo bar.
Entry. Zero.
Food at comparable food quality restaurants for the day 2000 baht.
Drinks - 1000 baht.
LD - 2200 baht (over 2 visits). This number can be WAY higher.
BF (2 x ST) - 3000 baht.
Girls (2 x) - 6000 baht.
Hours of fun 6 (8 pm til 2 am or so)
Total 14,200 baht.

Yes, taking 2 girls from Oase will be more expensive than 2 gogo girls but the gap is not that significant in the big picture. Now if any of your Thai girls want 40 drinks or if you drink, then Thailand prices would be higher. FKK staring at pretty topless or naked girls sunbathing beside you Priceless.

Of course looks and fever are the real questions here. How hot do you want a girl? Do you have Yellow Fever or Romanian fever?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2918093]Hopefully you're not comparing girl's looks on Soi 6 vs FKK clubs like Oase and Sharks. For me that's the most important factor. To even have a fighting chance you need to compare top FKK club girls looks to top gogo bar girls. Even then top gogo bars would lose by a landslide. So now let's compare pricing for a night out at Oase vs a night out at gogo bars. (my numbers may be well dated).

FKK Oase.
Entry 65 (300 for 5 entries).
Drinks and LD. ZERO!
Decent food for the day. ZERO!
2 girls - 200 give or take.
Hours of fun 17 (11 am til 4 am)
Total - 18,500 baht.

Gogo bar.
Entry. Zero.
Food at comparable food quality restaurants for the day 2000 baht.
Drinks - 1000 baht.
LD - 2200 baht (over 2 visits). This number can be WAY higher.
BF (2 x ST) - 3000 baht.
Girls (2 x) - 6000 baht.
Hours of fun 6 (8 pm til 2 am or so)
Total 14,200 baht.

Yes, taking 2 girls from Oase will be more expensive than 2 gogo girls but the gap is not that significant in the big picture. Now if any of your Thai girls want 40 drinks or if you drink, then Thailand prices would be higher. FKK staring at pretty topless or naked girls sunbathing beside you Priceless.

Of course looks and fever are the real questions here. How hot do you want a girl? Do you have Yellow Fever or Romanian fever?[/QUOTE]OMG how much does that cost I've never been asked for that.

And so that is on top of the BF and her 3000, I think I would rather jerk off for free that night 55555.

What bars on WS allow this kind of sodomy.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2918067][URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2024/05/26/physical-altercation-between-guards-and-customers-on-soi-6-in-pattaya-goes-viral/[/URL]

An altercation occurred in Pattaya City on Soi Six over the past weekend involving security personnel working for independent bars from an undisclosed entertainment venue and three foreign nationals. The incident, which took place at 5:26 pm On Friday, May 24th, 2024, was captured on video and disseminated through social media, going viral.[/QUOTE]This video shows it all. Guys, you are a guest in their country. You don't go and point a finger in the cashiers face and pick fights with bouncers. The guy whose head got kicked in didn't have too many brain cells working in the first place and probably has permanent brain damage now. Was that worth a few hundred bhat discrepancy in a bar bill? Thai men fight in packs. Its well known you don't pick fights with them. You will always lose. I have had discrepancies in bar bills. Almost always I point it out politely with a smile to the waitress and almost always she corrects it and brings it back. Never had an issue. Drunk white tourists are the worst!

[URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/ThailandTourism/comments/1d1auy5/full_merged_video_of_the_soi_6_incident_seems/?rdt=64136[/URL]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2918093]So now let's compare pricing for a night out at Oase vs a night out at gogo bars. (my numbers may be well dated).

FKK Oase.
Entry 65 (300 for 5 entries).
Drinks and LD. ZERO!
Decent food for the day. ZERO!
2 girls - 200 give or take.
Hours of fun 17 (11 am til 4 am)
Total - 18,500 baht.

Gogo bar.
Entry. Zero.
Food at comparable food quality restaurants for the day 2000 baht.
Drinks - 1000 baht.
LD - 2200 baht (over 2 visits). This number can be WAY higher.
BF (2 x ST) - 3000 baht.
Girls (2 x) - 6000 baht.
Hours of fun 6 (8 pm til 2 am or so)
Total 14,200 baht.[/QUOTE]Sorry but the figures are just miles off being correct (and in fairness, you started by saying your prices could be dated which is true). Current prices at Oase (at least based on my trip there in the last 3 days!) are 150 euros / hour minimum with the best looking girls wanting and regularly achieving 200/ hour. I assume you are comparing with top agogo girls from the pricing you provided (I was in Thailand for a month 2 weeks in Pattaya in April and 3000+3000 is for top quality girls though for balance some wanted more - I asked one of the few truly beautiful girls in Sapphire her prices and she wanted 5000 so I declined without even asking about the BF). Sad thing is, when in Thailand it is hard to make the price comparison and act accordingly. I say that because 5000 is only €126 and that is very cheap in Europe for a stunning working girl). But based on your comparison meaning for top girls, then I agree your 14,200 (about 374 euros) for the entire night inc drinks and BF - 8 pm to 2 pm.
So 6 hours.

Now compare the price in Oase. For top girls, they will want 200 each per hour. Thats 400 euros the same 6 hours = 2400 euros, plus 65 entry = 2465 euros = just short of…..wait for it……a whopping 98,000 baht. Thats for an equal amount of time (6 hours).

In your example you make the time with the agogo girls 6 hours or so but allowed 17 hours in the FKK clubs. Thats not a fair comparison. I accept that you can enter Oase at 11 am and stay until 4 pm (and BTW I love Oase in the summer months and many naked girls walking around the pool in high heels etc) but nobody goes to rooms with ladies in an FKK for 17 hours. So I based my calculations on about the same time in a room, which I think is comparing apples with apples, Pattaya is far cheaper.

There are other factors in play here: FKKs can have a LOT of extras, for BBBJ in many places after the 2017 law. Ok in a lot its gone back to normal but not in all (Artemis in Berlin is a rigid 20 extra for BBBJ), CIM - 50 extra, COF or COB often extra, BDSM 50 extra, anal 100 extra. If you are into any of these activities an FKK for 6 hours with 2 girls is quickly going to become very expensive indeed - and the 374 euros/ 14,200 baht will easily be used up in only one hour (200/e/hour x 2 girls).

So attendance at an FKK for 17 hours could work out incredibly expensive (and boring!)
I understand your approach is that a guy can have a sexy/naughty day for 17 hours if he wants and I suppose if he only sessioned for 2 hours he could do that with two beauties with no extras for 400 - not much more than for 6 hours with two agogo stunners. But if you wanted to try to match 17 hours in Pattaya for a day / evening of total naughty fun, you could add a massage or two, hands on fun in say Windmill or Kink, and you’d have a lot of fun in that 17 hours including your 6 with the two stunners from Pin Up! So far more action that you got in the FKK where you were only actually doing anything other than watching/ogling/eating/sleeping for 17 hours.

Don't get me wrong. I love both options. And if forced to choose, I would favour the FKK in summer. Just an incredible experience being surrounded by 100+ naked ladies (not that many now in Oase but there were in the golden days).

Making these types of comparisons is therefore very tough. But on current pricing models, a long day of sexy time in Pattaya remains incredibly cheaper than in FKK Clubs.

Thanks PFI. I haven't been to a FKK in years nor do I read the Germany FKK forum of the same person replying to himself under multiple handles. Was considering going next Spring but you have just made is abundantly clear to me that Germany is out forever. My approach in Thailand is also very different than most "tourists". I do not pay barfines or buy tons of LD's just to get a girl to go with me. On occasion I may rack up a bigger drink bill than anyone wants to admit to but none of that bill will be for a barfine or because a girl wanted 10/20/40 drinks before she would go with me.

The bottom line is neither of these 2 places should be tops in your sex destination. They are both pricing themselves out of the market for top talent. Now if you want average or below average girls then both countries still have lots of options like Soi 6, Beach Road or Soi 25 in Thailand or Totalclub Osnabruck for 35 euro for 30 minutes or the AO clubs.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2918093]So now let's compare pricing for a night out at Oase vs a night out at gogo bars. (my numbers may be well dated).

FKK Oase.
Entry 65 (300 for 5 entries).
Drinks and LD. ZERO!
Decent food for the day. ZERO!
2 girls - 200 give or take.
Hours of fun 17 (11 am til 4 am)
Total - 18,500 baht.

Gogo bar.
Entry. Zero.
Food at comparable food quality restaurants for the day 2000 baht.
Drinks - 1000 baht.
LD - 2200 baht (over 2 visits). This number can be WAY higher.
BF (2 x ST) - 3000 baht.
Girls (2 x) - 6000 baht.
Hours of fun 6 (8 pm til 2 am or so)
Total 14,200 baht.
[/QUOTE]Sorry, but comparing the prices in Germany with the prices in Thailand is nonsense.

A normal worker in Germany earns 100 EUR per day, a Thai worker 10 EUR. A kilo of boneless chicken costs 10 EUR in Germany and 2 EUR in Thailand, etc.

It would be fair if an ST anywhere in the world cost as much as a worker earns in a day.

In Germany an ST would then cost 100 EUR and in Thailand 400 Baht. This would be fair.

The prices that are now being quoted in Pattaya are purely a rip-off of tourists. And as long as there are idiots who pay, it will continue like this.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2918064]There's a video circulating of two Brits being beaten by the security thugs on soi 6 in front of Helicopter.

I've read comments that one of them died after receiving a head quick while on the ground.

The violence used by these fat thugs is trully disgusting.

It is said the guys punched a girl in the face and didn't pay the bill but I've not seen any evidence.

Monger safely everyone and don't ever get in trouble with these fat thugs, it's still better to be scammed than beaten to death by these fat *ssholes.[/QUOTE]It was also reported that the security goons were paid by the Night Wish Group. Another reason not to go to a Night Wish bar anymore.

The video shows a farang lying on the ground and no longer moving. A Night Wish security idiot runs up to him and kicks him in the head. I hope he didn't die.

[QUOTE=MadDin19;2918185]It was also reported that the security goons were paid by the Night Wish Group. Another reason not to go to a Night Wish bar anymore.

The video shows a farang lying on the ground and no longer moving. A Night Wish security idiot runs up to him and kicks him in the head. I hope he didn't die.[/QUOTE]Nigh Wish replied to this (in the comment section) on Youtube, emphasizing the club (I think Helicopter club) was NOT a Night Wish group.

[QUOTE=XXL;2918201]Nigh Wish replied to this (in the comment section) on Youtube, emphasizing the club (I think Helicopter club) was NOT a Night Wish group.[/QUOTE]There was another report but the three did not name the clubs or clubs they work for that the three or group are Freelancer thst provide security for a number of clubs on 6.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2918204]There was another report but the three did not name the clubs or clubs they work for that the three or group are Freelancer thst provide security for a number of clubs on 6.[/QUOTE]Indeed on the vid it looked like they were coming from outside didn't it?

It's making the international headlines right now. I hope it doesn't lead to some suppression of Soi 6 as a whole.

[QUOTE=XXL;2918205]It's making the international headlines right now. I hope it doesn't lead to some suppression of Soi 6 as a whole.[/QUOTE]We know what happened the last time something on Soi 6 made international headlines. That guy banging a girl on the counter right along Soi 6 destroyed Soi 6 as we know it. Before that HJ and BJ was a real thing on Soi 6 for girls you buy a drink for.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2918204]There was another report but the three did not name the clubs or clubs they work for that the three or group are Freelancer thst provide security for a number of clubs on 6.[/QUOTE]Some article mentioned them as freelancers. In the video that starts inside, it seems she (mamasan) is contacting someone by phone. This is the point when the customer is irate in front of her. Soon after the guards came running in from another place.

[QUOTE=XXL;2918205]Indeed on the vid it looked like they were coming from outside didn't it? [/QUOTE]No the whole altercation started in the bar, 3 on 2, but the fat friend of the guy in white shirt was useless. He was too slow and let his friend being cornered by the 3 pigs and they both got KO'd 3 on 1 and 3 on 1.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1ClOSlyhEY[/URL]

The rumors of a girl being punched was probably bullshit, they would have been jumped directly in the bar if it was true.

I've seen the video of the mamasan explaining what happened (in Thai), and it all started because of the bill.

They were 2 customers at first and paid their bill regularly but it seems another guy joined them (a fat guy, not clear if it's the same on the video) and this guy moved from table to table and accepted to pay some ladydrinks.

The guy in white shirt paid all his bills and upon leaving one of the stupid girls realized there is one bill not paid and went to them and told them to pay the bill (probably using unappropriated words).

The guy told her he paid everything already. They then told him, yes you have paid but you're friend didn't pay. The guy got angry and called the mamasan a liar and scammer.

It seems his friend was ready to pay the bill but white shirt guy didn't let him do it (probably felt they were being scammed). Then another of his friends (maybe the guy in blue shirt in the vid) verbally and physically assaulted other customers (taking one customer's phone off his hand thinking he was being filmed) and making other customers flee the bar.

That's when she called the 3 security pigs to come in because they didn't want to pay the bill and felt that the guy in white shirt got so angry that he could have hit her too.

It seems the guy that got KO'd didn't do anything wrong, felt scammed and didn't want to back down when the 3 pigs arrived.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2918226]No the whole altercation started in the bar, 3 on 2, but the fat friend of the guy in white shirt was useless. He was too slow and let his friend being cornered by the 3 pigs and they both got KO'd 3 on 1 and 3 on 1.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1ClOSlyhEY[/URL]

The rumors of a girl being punched was probably bullshit, they would have been jumped directly in the bar if it was true.

I've seen the video of the mamasan explaining what happened (in Thai), and it all started because of the bill.

They were 2 customers at first and paid their bill regularly but it seems another guy joined them (a fat guy, not clear if it's the same on the video) and this guy moved from table to table and accepted to pay some ladydrinks.


The guy in white shirt paid all his bills and upon leaving one of the stupid girls realized there is one bill not paid and went to them and told them to pay the bill (probably using unappropriated words).

The guy told her he paid everything already. They then told him, yes you have paid but you're friend didn't pay. The guy got angry and called the mamasan a liar and scammer.

It seems his friend was ready to pay the bill but white shirt guy didn't let him do it (probably felt they were being scammed). Then another of his friends (maybe the guy in blue shirt in the vid) verbally and physically assaulted other customers (taking one customer's phone off his hand thinking he was being filmed) and making other customers flee the bar.

That's when she called the 3 security pigs to come in because they didn't want to pay the bill and felt that the guy in white shirt got so angry that he could have hit her too.

It seems the guy that got KO'd didn't do anything wrong, felt scammed and didn't want to back down when the 3 pigs arrived.[/QUOTE]I watched one video online it's been removed now I believe but it was CTV footage inside the bar didn't look like he hit that chick on the face at all. When the 3 thugs showed up his friend was holding them back tryna de-escalate it but they were just running up on the guy they weren't there to talk that's pretty obvious when it went outside they beat the shit put him than same thing happened to his friend 2 dudes just kicking the shit out of him while ones on full mount punching his face in non stop than after they finish him the one dude Went Wwe Randy Orton (not even joking) and did the punt kick on his dudes skull he later motionless after that his friend tried to get back up to his feet the (the one who was tryna de-escalate) and one of thugs was still tryna beat him up the bar girls on the street all started holding the thugs back even they knew that was way to much the guy almost didn't stop I think the bar lied about him hitting the girl etc so it wouldn't hurt their business / jobs and to protect the security guards. The business for sure should've called the police not 3 thugs looking for a fight.

Everyone knows about security guard attacks but what didn't make the headlines is the dude walking with his girl friend to 7/11 at 430 am in Phuket when he saw a fellow Brit tourist getting ganged by bunch of locals so he went over to what was happening he ended up getting stabbed and stumbling into the 7/11 went to the counter with blooding coming out his mouth trying ask for help but couldn't talk and collapsed on the floor and to undergo surgery.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13437475/amp/Brit-stabbed-break-fight-gang-attack-tourist-Thailand.html

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2918064]There's a video circulating of two Brits being beaten by the security thugs on soi 6 in front of Helicopter.

I've read comments that one of them died after receiving a head quick while on the ground.

The violence used by these fat thugs is trully disgusting.

It is said the guys punched a girl in the face and didn't pay the bill but I've not seen any evidence.

Monger safely everyone and don't ever get in trouble with these fat thugs, it's still better to be scammed than beaten to death by these fat *ssholes.[/QUOTE]The alleged dead guy was found on video walking back to his hotel shortly afterwards.

There is another video showing his departure from the scene.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2918218]Some article mentioned them as freelancers. In the video that starts inside, it seems she (mamasan) is contacting someone by phone. This is the point when the customer is irate in front of her. Soon after the guards came running in from another place.[/QUOTE]It is sad reality these freelancers are hired by a bar or a number of them but the police, media making sure names arent throw out. Hopefully just making them apology and claiming they are going to face charges regardless happens but don't hold our breath.

In the end is it really worth it pay the bill which is what is written one guy had a problem. It was reported one farang struck first and as of now refuse to press any charges.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2918290]It is sad reality these freelancers are hired by a bar or a number of them but the police, media making sure names arent throw out. Hopefully just making them apology and claiming they are going to face charges regardless happens but don't hold our breath.

In the end is it really worth it pay the bill which is what is written one guy had a problem. It was reported one farang struck first and as of now refuse to press any charges.[/QUOTE]Maybe she was on the phone with the other bar to send security over it's all speculation as we weren't getting to many details at the moment but maybe just maybe the girl got them to rack up a bill of lady drinks than refused to be bar fined (golden rule one drink rule always ask if she's open to be bar fined) maybe that's why the disagreement followed by one of the friend on his bill or maybe they padded his bill we can't say for sure but yes always just pay your bill and never go back if you were scammed lesson learnt but getting a beat down that brutal over 110 $ Canadian bucks (2800 bhatt) is not worth it and one article says he's in the ICU in serious condition with no more updates but than u saw a video of him getting up so who really knows. I personally thing he’s in the hospital that’s why the Thai police were quick to arrest the guards I think the bar should be held responsible for the guards actions they should've called the police not send in blood thirsty goons to brutal assaults someone that bad. Just intimidation and they were judge jury and Executioner.. laws for a reason let the police handle it

Well run bars bring you the bill after every order and it sits in front of you. Very well run bars even make you sign the drink bill after each drink you order. ALWAYS check your bill EVERY time you get a new one. Dispute it on the spot if it's padded. Pay for your drinks round by round if they don't bring you a new bill after every order. Mistakes happen on bills. It's happened to me at a regular gogo bar I attend. My girls yelled at the cashier for me!

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wTHnxyf1MUk[/URL]

What is wrong with some of these touristy types out there? They think just cause they're of a certain nationality they can mess with the locals? I'm firmly on the side of the Thais on this one. Don't mess with the locals! In any country you're in. Have some respect for the local customs and people, and learning some phrases of Thai go a long way too. I bet these idiots got drunk, went all belligerent and thought they could punch their way out like they would do in some shitty british pub somewhere. But boy did they get what they deserved. Can't get away with that shit in Thailand. Granted, I'll just say that certain types of foreigners will get treated like Gods in Asia, even if they look like freaking Danny Devito, but in this case these morons crossed the line, and you know what that line be? Cash money baby. Cash money.

Although those 2 kiwi idiots that tried to kill a cop, definitely got what they deserved. Just looking at the reports from the NZ side of things, they can't seem to be neutral at all, blaming everything on the Thai cop, but read the full story and you'll see the cop was just doing his job. Don't be that guy fellas. Don't be the ugly foreign tourist. Let's learn a thing or two from our fellow East Asian brothers, who monger quietly, respectfully, under the radar. Never causing problems. Just saying. I spent some years of my youth in South East Asia, cause of Uncle Sam of all things, so trust me, I know a thing or two about conflict.

Be nice.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2918315]Well run bars bring you the bill after every order and it sits in front of you. Very well run bars even make you sign the drink bill after each drink you order. ALWAYS check your bill EVERY time you get a new one. Dispute it on the spot if it's padded. Pay for your drinks round by round if they don't bring you a new bill after every order. Mistakes happen on bills. It's happened to me at a regular gogo bar I attend. My girls yelled at the cashier for me![/QUOTE]Examining every bill when it is delivered is standard procedure for Thais. I know this from having dinners or lunches with them and they pick up the "check bin". There is nothing rude about doing this. SOP in Thailand. Legitimate mistakes can be made.

Sam.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2918315]Well run bars bring you the bill after every order and it sits in front of you. Very well run bars even make you sign the drink bill after each drink you order. ALWAYS check your bill EVERY time you get a new one. Dispute it on the spot if it's padded. Pay for your drinks round by round if they don't bring you a new bill after every order. Mistakes happen on bills. It's happened to me at a regular gogo bar I attend. My girls yelled at the cashier for me![/QUOTE]Keeping it 100. First visit to Pattaya my friends taught me the system. I have yet to visit a bar or restaurant that has not followed the structure you outlined. One time a waitress at one of my favorite restaurants made a mistake on a bill charging me a side order when it was included in my meal. I pointed her error out on menu. She said she served me two the the particular item (she had not). I paid the bill and simply did not return anymore. When it comes to business I simply vote with my baht. There are too many business competing for my money to allow myself to get caught up in games any business owner wants to play.

A bar bill dispute is not a situation that requires the use of deadly force. Period!. Criminal charges should be filed against the security that used deadly force inappropriately.

Lots of bars on soi six are infamous for this, had this occur during my last trip in April when I was sitting with the same girl and had ordered her a ld and myself a new beer, got the updated bill and it had gone from 2 ld+1 beer to 5 ld+2 beer, I pointed out the mistake, the girl went to talk with the mamasan who offered a quick apology and it was fixed.

No point in causing a scene or being upset or aggressive like these guys but on the other hand don't be stupid and naive, these people aren't your friends.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2918164]Thanks PFI. I haven't been to a FKK in years nor do I read the Germany FKK forum of the same person replying to himself under multiple handles. Was considering going next Spring but you have just made is abundantly clear to me that Germany is out forever. My approach in Thailand is also very different than most "tourists". I do not pay barfines or buy tons of LD's just to get a girl to go with me. On occasion I may rack up a bigger drink bill than anyone wants to admit to but none of that bill will be for a barfine or because a girl wanted 10/20/40 drinks before she would go with me.

The bottom line is neither of these 2 places should be tops in your sex destination. They are both pricing themselves out of the market for top talent. Now if you want average or below average girls then both countries still have lots of options like Soi 6, Beach Road or Soi 25 in Thailand or Totalclub Osnabruck for 35 euro for 30 minutes or the AO clubs.[/QUOTE]Your final paragraph is interesting. If FKKs and Thailand have descended out of the top two (for me they are still in both slots!) where do you prefer? I've not done South America despite a lot of mongers urging the trip. I have a pal who went out to Columbia and Brazil for 3 weeks. For sure the girls were pretty but he was mugged twice in Brazil, robbed at gunpoint one of those times and was sure they would have killed him but for him paying up, and had two guys beat him up and steal his wallet outside a bar in Medellin. To be clear. This friend of mine is over 6 ft tall, 42 yrs old and has a good physique. He is no pushover but as someone once correctly said "muscles don't do well against bullets". So not sure SA is on my bucket list anytime soon. I've done Cambodia. Cheap but not stellar options. I have mongered in Spain for 30 years. Again - no longer cheap and poor options. Same is true of France, Germany outside of FKKs, Australia, Bali, Singapore. Dubai has fabulous options but is far from cheap. So I'm interested in which would be your top 3 for example and why.

I'm also not a huge BF fan. Indeed when in Thailand I much prefer the Gents Clubs for atmosphere and general relaxation. Never done the AO clubs in Germany. Bareback definitely not for me.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2918415]Keeping it 100. First visit to Pattaya my friends taught me the system. I have yet to visit a bar or restaurant that has not followed the structure you outlined. One time a waitress at one of my favorite restaurants made a mistake on a bill charging me a side order when it was included in my meal. I pointed her error out on menu. She said she served me two the the particular item (she had not). I paid the bill and simply did not return anymore. When it comes to business I simply vote with my baht. There are too many business competing for my money to allow myself to get caught up in games any business owner wants to play.

A bar bill dispute is not a situation that requires the use of deadly force. Period!. Criminal charges should be filed against the security that used deadly force inappropriately.[/QUOTE]I have the same mentality. If I am being short changed or overcharged, I let them know that and if they don't rectify it I let them know that I will not be returning. As you said, let your money do the talking.

I have only had a few instances of this anyways and it was only for a 100 THB one time and a few hundred THB the other, no big deal. But it's about being treated with respect.

My. 2 cents is to not frequent Soi 6 bars. So many reputable bars and GCs in Buakho and around Pattaya and Jomtien where you don't have to worry about this kind of stuff, especially getting your a $$ kicked or killed. That's why when Indo go to the 6, I simply talk to the ladies from the curb, negotiate and head up for ST. I have never and never will I frequent a Soi 6 bar for drinks.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2918441]Your final paragraph is interesting. If FKKs and Thailand have descended out of the top two (for me they are still in both slots!) where do you prefer? [/QUOTE]For me it's hands down Jakarta right now and has been for years. Walk into Classic and you'll wonder why you haven't been going there for years. Jakarta is mainly point and shoot like Soi 6 with rooms on premise. Read the Jakarta forum. I try posting updates every few days only to have LoveItHere continue to rag on me that all my posts are story telling. Of course he doesn't post any reviews and says he's there. Anyways off topic.

On a way different rate scale is Japan but you'll be used to it paying Oase girls 200 euro per hour. Beautiful Japanese girls in RLD. No, I'm not referring to Tokyo's old ladies. No, you won't videos of these places on YouTube cause everyone is afraid of backlash from the Yakuza. Expensive? Damn right for a cheap arse like myself but you have to spoil yourself once in a while.

Beautiful girls in HCMC too but quick FS options other than online stuff is limited to massage places. Check out YouTube videos of Cherry Linh Spa. Stunning lineup. I think it's Asian Nights that posts some good YouTube videos.

Another favorite for many guys is PP. Khmer girls aren't really my look so I don't go.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2918453]For me it's hands down Jakarta right now and has been for years. Walk into Classic and you'll wonder why you haven't been going there for years. Jakarta is mainly point and shoot like Soi 6 with rooms on premise. Read the Jakarta forum. I try posting updates every few days only to have LoveItHere continue to rag on me that all my posts are story telling. Of course he doesn't post any reviews and says he's there. Anyways off topic.

On a way different rate scale is Japan but you'll be used to it paying Oase girls 200 euro per hour. Beautiful Japanese girls in RLD. No, I'm not referring to Tokyo's old ladies. No, you won't videos of these places on YouTube cause everyone is afraid of backlash from the Yakuza. Expensive? Damn right for a cheap arse like myself but you have to spoil yourself once in a while.

Beautiful girls in HCMC too but quick FS options other than online stuff is limited to massage places. Check out YouTube videos of Cherry Linh Spa. Stunning lineup. I think it's Asian Nights that posts some good YouTube videos.

Another favorite for many guys is PP. Khmer girls aren't really my look so I don't go.[/QUOTE]I've read plenty of times that the girls at Classic are pretty much forced to work there. Main thing that's put me off trying Jakarta.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2917162]My answer is "as long as I can remember" (and that is as long ago as 30 years and as recently as 6 years).

This is based on first-hand experience; that is, knowing the Thais who have visited Cowboy with me. Also, some upper middle / lower "high class" Khmer dudes. One held a Secretary position in the Thaksin Adminstration. (And, I don't mean a "clerk-typist. LOL) Another was a Thai whose father was the Thai Ambassador to a European country.) Another, an assistant professor at a well-known Thai uni. The Khmer were very successful entrepeneurs and government officials in Cambodia.

Generalizations aside, can be very difficult to really know whether a person is Thai, Khmer, or even Filipino. Even among those groups, they can have difficulty in identifying nationality just by appearance.

Now, in only one case did any of them barfine a "dancer". They were just curious about the scene and all thoroughly enjoyed the evenings. In the one case when one of the Thais did barfine, the mamasan explained that the girl could not be seen leaving with him. He was told that the girl could have a boyfriend in the area and it could make for a problem. She did not want to set a precedent. (Maybe the boyfriend would think she was going to get a lower payment. Ha ha ha) I should note that he did choose a "stunner"; what you might call "the pick of the litter". LOL.

In the handful of occasions of which I speak, not once were my Thai or Khmer friends refused entry or service or ignored by the girls at the biggest and "best" bars on Cowboy.

Sam.[/QUOTE]More likely it was because the boyfriend was ok about her going with a farang for money (that she would later share with him), as we don't count, while drama would ensue if he saw her go with a Thai man.

While I've long since put the guy you responded to on ignore due all the useless nonsense posted, he does have a point here I believe. You're friends were obviously upper class, and that would be obvious to the bar staff by their appearance and behaviour, no doubt resulting in the usual thai deference to another Thai of higher status. You say you went with other Thai guys too, but I suspect if your friends were motorbike taxi guys, or of similar stature, they'd be much less welcome.

One mamasan I fucked a few times (for free, when I was still young and handsome, after meeting here at a regular club the first time) said she did not want thai men inside her bar because they worried they could be undercover police, but I suspect a bigger part of the reason was the aforementioned "sex with farang for money doesn't count to the thai boyfriend".

[QUOTE=ThatGuy101;2918297]Maybe she was on the phone with the other bar to send security over it's all speculation as we weren't getting to many details at the moment but maybe just maybe the girl got them to rack up a bill of lady drinks than refused to be bar fined (golden rule one drink rule always ask if she's open to be bar fined) maybe that's why the disagreement followed by one of the friend on his bill or maybe they padded his bill we can't say for sure but yes always just pay your bill and never go back if you were scammed lesson learnt but getting a beat down that brutal over 110 $ Canadian bucks (2800 bhatt) is not worth it and one article says he's in the ICU in serious condition with no more updates but than u saw a video of him getting up so who really knows. I personally thing hes in the hospital thats why the Thai police were quick to arrest the guards I think the bar should be held responsible for the guards actions they should've called the police not send in blood thirsty goons to brutal assaults someone that bad. Just intimidation and they were judge jury and Executioner.. laws for a reason let the police handle it[/QUOTE]Agree, we don't know what happened as to what set off the events. The last report I read the 3 have admitted to the fight and has gotten a tongue lashing from police in charge of case. The spokemans has said unless a complaint is file they can't retain the 3 individual as of yet they haven't been able to locate them searching CCTV as to where they might have gone. If there is a guy in the hospital or ICU, I'm sure the keystone cops would have been able to figure that one out?

Reality these freelancers work for someone or a number of someone's but those names aren't being mentioned for reasons. From my experience these types of jobs when created normally comes from friends of already police in this district would be Soi 9, or Banglamung, someone has to endorse these jobs guys just can't decide one day we are going into the security business. That being said the things that always happen is they make a big show and tell scene this is all for tourist benefits they are safe but swept under the rug.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2918448]If I am being short changed or overcharged, I let them know that and if they don't rectify it I let them know that I will not be returning. As you said, let your money do the talking.

I have only had a few instances of this anyways and it was only for a 100 THB one time and a few hundred THB the other, no big deal. But it's about being treated with respect.[/QUOTE]I was only in Ho Chi Minh for a couple of days last week but I made a point of going past the bar that imo ripped me off in March. I was added an "infatuation fee" because I messaged the girl on Zalo to see if she was working that night. I was also charged the bar seat fee which I negotiated not to be charged when I walked in. Sure it's not even $20 US but like you say it's about being treated with respect especially when they know I return to the city often.

Anyways, walked passed the bar in Little Japan. Minh Tu was so happy to see me. She grabbed and held on to me for dear life. She tried pulling me into the bar. I said don't you remember last time I said I would never walk into your bar again. She feigned ignorance. Then I told the bar manager who is pretty hot see what happens when you rip off a regular. Pulled Minh Tu's arm from around me and started talking to a girl 2 bars down. Minh Tu has not stopped messaging me on Zalo since sending me photos of herself and how she misses me. Her momentary greed collecting the "infatuation fee" and not defending me for no bar seat fee has cost her dearly in the long run.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2918353]Examining every bill when it is delivered is standard procedure for Thais. I know this from having dinners or lunches with them and they pick up the "check bin". There is nothing rude about doing this. SOP in Thailand. Legitimate mistakes can be made.

Sam.[/QUOTE]First rule I learned getting off the plane ages ago. Examine every bill. Or pay for each one as they come.

For me, the gents club are not only the best value for your buck, but the fun and mileage you have and get with the ladies is amazing. First of all, the gents clubs are very laid back. I go in and can play whatever music I want. It's like your friendly neighborhood bar. Secondly, the alcohol is cheap, even the lady drinks are on the lower side, 150 Baht. Third, the girls aren't pushy and they get naked after getting a few drinks. If you buy them a few wracks they will give you a BJ right there in the bar. Fourthly, the cost for ST is very affordable. The standard 1500 Baht. Good customers aren't even charged for the room in some cases. That was the case for me recently. Finally, the girls are always great fun and they do almost anything. Recently, I had a threesome in a gents club. 1500 each girl. For a tip, it was BBFS CIP both girls. No nonsense with changing condoms and they were both hot and sexy 25 years olds. Love it!

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2918441]Bareback definitely not for me.[/QUOTE]Just a comment. If this is not for you then that is of course your choice. However, I just want to make you aware that in the gents clubs and Soi 6 in Pattaya, the majority of the girls provide BBFSCIP for either no extra charge or with a tip. Therefore, the girl that you choose to be with in Pattaya will of most likely barebacked most of her clients. Punters need to be comfortable with that before partaking with any lady whether they prefer to use condoms or not. How do I know this info you ask? I know because I have never had to use a condom with any working girl in Thailand for the last 14 years.

[QUOTE=Kontiki;2918419]Lots of bars on soi six are infamous for this, had this occur during my last trip in April when I was sitting with the same girl and had ordered her a ld and myself a new beer, got the updated bill and it had gone from 2 ld+1 beer to 5 ld+2 beer, I pointed out the mistake, the girl went to talk with the mamasan who offered a quick apology and it was fixed.

No point in causing a scene or being upset or aggressive like these guys but on the other hand don't be stupid and naive, these people aren't your friends.[/QUOTE]This is the best way to handle this. You need to always be checking your bin so you can address any issues immediately. The problem with most guys is they get drunk and never check their bin. When it comes time to pay, they either forget or the mistake happened long before they decided to check bin. You have to address the mistake immediately. Always check your bin after each time you order. Never cause a big scene over a few baht. People get drunk and when that happens, we all lose our minds. LOL.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2917733]I think it is all part of the Night Wish Group business strategy, they own a big chunk of the soi 6 bars. They focus on "drinks only" venues and their girls are instructed so.

Was the same when they ran 2-3 bars in pothole (blue, orange or whatever, maybe they still own them): drinks only, girls trained to lightly tease but not hands on by all means. Just a continuous flow of drinks, diluted for the girls. Good for the girls not willing to spread legs every second hour. Inspired by Japanese and Korean whisky lounges. Where customers spend endless hours with a bottle of whisky and the girls pouring in the glasses. No sex, just getting devastated and drunk patrons then in the streets.

Each one his own.[/QUOTE]Honestly, the bars' only strategy is always to sell drinks. The revenue from the short time rooms won't pay the salaries of the girls. To me this strategy on Soi 6 has always been the same. The reason we hear more and more complaints these days is that business is not the same as before. There are less guys coming in buying drinks for the girls. Before, it was balanced out. The were enough guys buying lady drinks so the Cheap Charles could crack as normal. It's not that way now. The girl might be happy to get her ST fee, but she won't have a job for too long if she can't make her drink quota. These girls don't want to freelance for many obvious reasons. Therefore, not making a drink quota gets them kicked to the curb. I know many girls who told me about this. They bounce from bar to bar because of it. The bar needs to sell drinks to make money and pay salaries. This Soi 6 trend is not new and it's normal for all bars if they hire contract girls.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2918555]Just a comment. If this is not for you then that is of course your choice. However, I just want to make you aware that in the gents clubs and Soi 6 in Pattaya, the majority of the girls provide BBFSCIP for either no extra charge or with a tip. Therefore, the girl that you choose to be with in Pattaya will of most likely barebacked most of her clients. Punters need to be comfortable with that before partaking with any lady whether they prefer to use condoms or not. How do I know this info you ask? I know because I have never had to use a condom with any working girl in Thailand for the last 14 years.[/QUOTE]What about the freelancers on beach road?? Do they also provide BBFSCIP with or without a tip??

Asking for myself LOL.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2916665]Whether you like it or not farang will always pay more than Thai.[/QUOTE]Not always. There's a Thai go go bar in Bangkok in the Sephan Kwai area. The standard 2500 Baht ST is charged to a foreign customer that comes in as well. The fee is broken down like this. 1700 for the girl, 400 for the hotel and 400 for the bar. Most of the girls are a 7+ out of 10. Also in Bangkok, there are sideline websites for freelancers looking for Thai customers. Foreigners have caught on and try to use them now. They pay the same price or they are refused outright. There is never a farang uncharge as the prices are posted clearly in the girls' ad.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2918569]Not always. There's a Thai go go bar in Bangkok in the Sephan Kwai area. The standard 2500 Baht ST is charged to a foreign customer that comes in as well. The fee is broken down like this. 1700 for the girl, 400 for the hotel and 400 for the bar. Most of the girls are a 7+ out of 10. Also in Bangkok, there are sideline websites for freelancers looking for Thai customers. Foreigners have caught on and try to use them now. They pay the same price or they are refused outright. There is never a farang uncharge as the prices are posted clearly in the girls' ad.[/QUOTE]What are these sidelines websites with price that you're taking about?

[QUOTE=OldJack;2918574]What are these sidelines websites with price that you're taking about?[/QUOTE]Check the Bangkok section of the Thailand section. The name of one of the sites is Few Fans, but there are plenty of them.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2918563]Honestly, the bars' only strategy is always to sell drinks. The revenue from the short time rooms won't pay the salaries of the girls. To me this strategy on Soi 6 has always been the same. The reason we hear more and more complaints these days is that business is not the same as before. There are less guys coming in buying drinks for the girls. Before, it was balanced out. The were enough guys buying lady drinks so the Cheap Charles could crack as normal. It's not that way now. The girl might be happy to get her ST fee, but she won't have a job for too long if she can't make her drink quota. These girls don't want to freelance for many obvious reasons. Therefore, not making a drink quota gets them kicked to the curb. I know many girls who told me about this. They bounce from bar to bar because of it. The bar needs to sell drinks to make money and pay salaries. This Soi 6 trend is not new and it's normal for all bars if they hire contract girls.[/QUOTE]I had paid a lot of LD before. Today I don't do that anymore. Today I have to pay 150 baht for a small glass of sugar water. The little glass is then very quickly empty and the girl asks for a new drink. I used to ring the bell sometimes too. I don't do that anymore. When I'm horny I go on TF or flirt with someone in the supermarket or on the beach. No BF and no 150 baht sugar water.

If the bars change their mind and I can buy a girl a beer or another drink for a reasonable price, then I'll go to bars again. The bars used to be so full that you sometimes had to wait to get a seat. But 150 baht of sugar water won't fill a bar.

The bar operators are not really good business people.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2918533]Agree, we don't know what happened as to what set off the events. The last report I read the 3 have admitted to the fight and has gotten a tongue lashing from police in charge of case. The spokemans has said unless a complaint is file they can't retain the 3 individual as of yet they haven't been able to locate them searching CCTV as to where they might have gone. If there is a guy in the hospital or ICU, I'm sure the keystone cops would have been able to figure that one out?

Reality these freelancers work for someone or a number of someone's but those names aren't being mentioned for reasons. From my experience these types of jobs when created normally comes from friends of already police in this district would be Soi 9, or Banglamung, someone has to endorse these jobs guys just can't decide one day we are going into the security business. That being said the things that always happen is they make a big show and tell scene this is all for tourist benefits they are safe but swept under the rug.[/QUOTE]
I totally agree but I do think the other tourist are afraid of their safety maybe some treats there way or maybe they don't want to come public to be enemy number one because Thailand is under some real heat with this. That's why I also think they are tryna take the heat off the subject to all the suddenly giving tourist now a 60 day free visa instead of 30 and so many more changes to the visas to bring in more people ( like a magic trick look at this hand of me doing good not this hand of me hiding the tricks ) and get the spotlight off the goons jumping tourists over 2800 bhatt I definitely find it weird we have no update on the guy in the icu yet I think he's dead and hope I really hope I'm wrong and he's okay but they ain't telling us for the backlash they will face they just want to push it under the rug until things die down people say they saw him walking back to the hotel but a YouTuber brought up a good point is that old footage of them just walking down the walking street before the incident. I don't like how we have 0 updates or stories from the tourist side to tell their side they are getting pushed aside.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2918588]Check the Bangkok section of the Thailand section. The name of one of the sites is Few Fans, but there are plenty of them.[/QUOTE]OJ, I believe EThai meant Fiwfans and not "Few Fans".

[QUOTE=MadDin19;2918589]If the bars change their mind and I can buy a girl a beer or another drink for a reasonable price, then I'll go to bars again. The bars used to be so full that you sometimes had to wait to get a seat. But 150 baht of sugar water won't fill a bar.

The bar operators are not really good business people.[/QUOTE]But you can choose what drink you want to buy for the girl. If you allow the girl to choose the sugar water then that is on you.

What are Soi 6 Prices now. Have not been to Pattaya since before the pandemic used to be cheap back then 300 to 400 for bar and 1000 for the girl. But have been quoted some very high prices as much as 2000 for bar fine and girls asking for 3000 to 4000. It all may depend upon how well they like you.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2918614]OJ, I believe EThai meant Fiwfans and not "Few Fans".[/QUOTE]Yes. Correct.

[QUOTE=MadDin19;2918589] Today I have to pay 150 baht for a small glass of sugar water. No BF and no 150 baht sugar water. The bar operators are not really good business people.[/QUOTE]It's not sugar water mate. It is tequila that has been watered down about 50%. If what you say is true about the bars, they would all be closed. Why? Because most operate the same. If they followed your business model, they would go broke. Why? Girls won't work there. There is no money to be made on 90 Baht Leos, and the bar is not going to make money on the ST rooms. Like I said before, the reason why the bars seemed different before is only because there were more guys buying drinks for the girls. Then guys like you could go in and do your thing and get out and the girls were happy. Why? Because they could balance out their style of work. One day they might make more on ST and other days they could get enough drinks to make their quota. Because of the economy today, it's not easy to do this now. So, with all due respect, you are wrong.

Could anyone recommend a gent club in Jomtien? Or place with quality bargirls?

Is the Kit Kat club the best? They seem to have the prettiest girls in their pictures, but that doesn't always mean anything.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2918565]What about the freelancers on beach road?? Do they also provide BBFSCIP with or without a tip??

Asking for myself LOL.[/QUOTE]I would not know because I would never go with a girl from beach road. They are there for a reason.

Could anyone recommend a gent club in Jomtien? Or place with quality bargirls?

Is the Kit Kat club the best? They seem to have the prettiest girls in their pictures, but that doesn't always mean anything.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2918555]...... Therefore, the girl that you choose to be with in Pattaya will of most likely barebacked most of her clients......[/QUOTE]This is why I am afraid of going bareback with them.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2918661]Could anyone recommend a gent club in Jomtien? Or place with quality bargirls?

Is the Kit Kat club the best? They seem to have the prettiest girls in their pictures, but that doesn't always mean anything.[/QUOTE]You can try:

Passion [URL]https://www.facebook.com/passionpattaya[/URL].

Nirvana [URL]https://www.facebook.com/NIRVANAJomtien/[/URL].

Lips Lounge [URL]https://www.facebook.com/lipsjomtien[/URL].

Liquor Lounge [URL]https://www.facebook.com/liquorloungepattaya[/URL].

I don't know if the line up could be better than Kit Kat.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2918648]Could anyone recommend a gent club in Jomtien? Or place with quality bargirls?

Is the Kit Kat club the best? They seem to have the prettiest girls in their pictures, but that doesn't always mean anything.[/QUOTE]Pussy Galore and Maggie Mays Jomtien location. However, line up will be hit and miss each day. One day full of hot young chicks and another day older less attractive ones. The G clubs rarely have consistent line ups. Thats why you need to go to a few. Kinaree in Pratunmnak is also good.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2918666]This is why I am afraid of going bareback with them.[/QUOTE]Some guys won't go with girls even if wearing a condom because they know they have barebacked many guys. That's why I mentioned either with or without a condom. Some guys actually believe when girls tell them they don't go with many customers or believe when they say they have only gone BB with them and no other customers. The point is that if you are paranoid about the ladies not using condoms with customers before you then Pattaya is not there place for you.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2918650]I would not know because I would never go with a girl from beach road. They are there for a reason.[/QUOTE]Yes, the reason is to go fuck strangers for money. Just like every other hooker in Pattaya. Just the pick up location and price is different. Once in the room its all the same.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2918466]I've read plenty of times that the girls at Classic are pretty much forced to work there. Main thing that's put me off trying Jakarta.[/QUOTE]Its always a thin blurry line in all brothels all over the world. If the morality bothers you, best not go to third world countries to fuck prostitutes. Of course that will change nothing in their circumstances but would make you feel better. Or you could go and fuck them, don't abuse them and give them a nice tip. That would actually be helpful to them, at least for a short time. But up to you of course. Just a different way of thinking about it. As for Classic I know for sure its not 100% true for all girls but that doesn't mean there are no such cases either. And when you pick them from a line up you won't know which is which.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2918694]Some guys won't go with girls even if wearing a condom because they know they have barebacked many guys. That's why I mentioned either with or without a condom. Some guys actually believe when girls tell them they don't go with many customers or believe when they say they have only gone BB with them and no other customers. The point is that if you are paranoid about the ladies not using condoms with customers before you then Pattaya is not there place for you.[/QUOTE]Most ladies go with Thai men, and don't use a condom. Many of the younger Thai men go with Farangs and don't use a condom.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2918650]I would not know because I would never go with a girl from beach road. They are there for a reason.[/QUOTE]Well there has been discussion here in this thread as recently as yesterday about the bars on soi 6 requiring the girls to get a certain amount of lady drinks per day or else they get let go. Therefore is it unreasonable to conclude that bar girls who don't make the LD cuota on soi 6 may end up on beach road?

I'm not one for paying for inflated-priced lady drinks or overpriced short time hotel rooms. My plan is to find freelancers on Beach Road and bring them to my Airbnb for ST.

If you search on YouTube for "beach road Pattaya at night" there are a bunch of videos showing the working girls of beach road and not all of them are bad looking. In one video a guy with an Indian accent was even going up to them and asking "how much for ST / LT?" most girls replied 1000 baht for ST.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2918695][b]Yes, the reason is to go fuck strangers for money.[/b] Just like every other hooker in Pattaya. Just the pick up location and price is different. Once in the room it's all the same.[/QUOTE]Thank you for stating things with true clarity.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2918650]I would not know because I would never go with a girl from beach road. [b]They are there for a reason.[/b][/QUOTE]I am interested in hearing your opinion of why you think they are on beach road?

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2918661]Could anyone recommend a gent club in Jomtien? Or place with quality bargirls?

Is the Kit Kat club the best? They seem to have the prettiest girls in their pictures, but that doesn't always mean anything.[/QUOTE]You are 100% spot on about the pictures meaning nothing. Before my recent 4 week trip I must have put 100 hours of research in. YouTube / ISG / Discord etc.

All very helpful but when it comes to actual girls working there. Sadly very few of the videos / clips / above sites are that helpful.

That's because all of the GC's employ the ladies on 10 day contracts only. They move on.

In short. Jomtien is a MUCH better place to stay than Pattaya if you like a bit of quality in terms of surroundings.

You'll get lots telling you it's too far out. Sure. In a Bolt it might cost you $5 if that.

Don't buy the BS about not being able to get back. Total and utter BS. Bolts run all night and will get you there if need be from Bukhao.

Best GCs in Jomtien?

Daytime. Kineree by a mile. Freelancers. No pics on site. Mainly girls from agogo bars not having the best week wanting to earn extra by day.

Catflaps. Very upscale beautiful bar. Good atmosphere and action in public if that's your thing.

Kit Catz is ok. But only that. Situated in heart of Jomtien behind a great pool bar.

Passion. Hit and miss.

Pussy Galore. Miles out of town = beware Bell. Absolute 10/10 stunner. Until you find out she is LB!

Maggie Mays now in Jomtien. One or two decent girls but they all complain the club is too cold.

Venom. Ok nothing great.

Cobra. Ditto.

You'll find good ladies in the pool bars. Lonestar - excellent.

I will never stay in downtown Pattaya again. Too dirty too busy, mad traffic, too loud. Stay in Jomtien. It's a gem and everything in Pattaya is available 10-15 minutes away.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2918695]Yes, the reason is to go fuck strangers for money. Just like every other hooker in Pattaya. Just the pick up location and price is different. Once in the room its all the same.[/QUOTE]Same as the airport taxi. You can go down to the first floor and get an official airport taxi for 2500 baht (gogo bar). You can email a service for somebody to wait on the second floor with your name on a sign for 1500 baht (Soi 6). You can do like me and go outside on the fourth floor and get one for 800 baht (Beach Road). Pick up locations and prices are different, but once inside the car it is all the same.

Some guys look at the bells and whistles that come with the more expensive examples and feel they are somehow getting a better end product. Big fancy desk where you get the official airport taxi. Big stage and fancy lights when you are in the gogo. Custom sign with your name on it when you get the taxi service. Chick to throw a few back with you when you are on Soi 6. Hop in the car and go when you are up on the fourth floor. Get straight down to fucking when you get a chick from Beach Road.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2918790]I will never stay in downtown Pattaya again. Too dirty too busy, mad traffic, too loud. Stay in Jomtien. It's a gem and everything in Pattaya is available 10-15 minutes away.[/QUOTE]Pros and cons. Convenience has a cost. If you want to drop some shopping bags off at your place, take a comfortable shit, or just go in to cool off a few minutes, 5 minutes round trip versus the over thirty for staying in Jomtien.

As far as cost of living, you definitely get more bang for your buck in Jomtien or the darkside, but if you are coming for holiday is a different animal. If I am going to New York City for holiday, would you recommend staying 20 minutes away in Hoboken, New Jersey because it is quieter and less busy?

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2918790]You are 100% spot on about the pictures meaning nothing. Before my recent 4 week trip I must have put 100 hours of research in. YouTube / ISG / Discord etc.

All very helpful but when it comes to actual girls working there. Sadly very few of the videos / clips / above sites are that helpful.

That's because all of the GC's employ the ladies on 10 day contracts only. They move on.

In short. Jomtien is a MUCH better place to stay than Pattaya if you like a bit of quality in terms of surroundings.

You'll get lots telling you it's too far out. Sure. In a Bolt it might cost you $5 if that.

Don't buy the BS about not being able to get back. Total and utter BS. Bolts run all night and will get you there if need be from Bukhao.

Best GCs in Jomtien?

Daytime. Kineree by a mile. Freelancers. No pics on site. Mainly girls from agogo bars not having the best week wanting to earn extra by day.

Catflaps. Very upscale beautiful bar. Good atmosphere and action in public if that's your thing.

Kit Catz is ok. But only that. Situated in heart of Jomtien behind a great pool bar.

Passion. Hit and miss.

Pussy Galore. Miles out of town = beware Bell. Absolute 10/10 stunner. Until you find out she is LB!

Maggie Mays now in Jomtien. One or two decent girls but they all complain the club is too cold.

Venom. Ok nothing great.

Cobra. Ditto.

You'll find good ladies in the pool bars. Lonestar - excellent.

I will never stay in downtown Pattaya again. Too dirty too busy, mad traffic, too loud. Stay in Jomtien. It's a gem and everything in Pattaya is available 10-15 minutes away.[/QUOTE]I stayed in Jomtien 2 weeks ago and the one way system on beach road makes getting about very difficult.

[QUOTE=Mjen1970;2918825]I stayed in Jomtien 2 weeks ago and the one way system on beach road makes getting about very difficult.[/QUOTE]A temporary situation. Due to construction. Easily overcome if you take Bolt moto.

Interesting, if I was on vacation here in Pattaya I would chose to stay central Pattaya. The travel time annoys me. I do not recommend Jomtien to 1st time visitors. Come check it out. But stay in the heard of the action for your first trip.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2918647]It's not sugar water mate. It is tequila that has been watered down about 50%.[/QUOTE]I tried it twice. Both times diluted fruit juices without alcohol.

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Like I said before, the reason why the bars seemed different before is only because there were more guys buying drinks for the girls. Then guys like you could go in and do your thing and get out and the girls were happy. Why? [/QUOTE]But that's exactly what I'm saying. You are confusing cause and effect. Why does almost no one go to Soi 6 bars anymore? Because you can't have fun there anymore. And why can't you have fun there anymore? Because there is only sugar water there but no boum boum.

Things were different before Corona. The bars were full of horny men and a lot more drinks were sold. You could have a lot of fun.

Without ST rooms and boum boum you can't fill a bar on Soi 6.

When I was on Soi 6 for the first time almost 20 years ago there were only Gents clubs there. If you sat alone at the bar for more than 5 minutes, the Mamasan almost had a heart attack and said: "Big Boss thop salop salai me when you sit alone. What girl you like". BTW: ST 700 + room 300 .

Today you're sitting alone in the bar and the girls are standing outside (Night Wish strategy). And if you're lucky and one comes to you, you have to order her a new glass of sugar water every 3 minutes, otherwise she'll leave again. Sex sells, but not overpriced LDs.

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So, with all due respect, you are wrong.
[/QUOTE]No sir, I'm right. It worked well before, why shouldn't it work anymore?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2918631]But you can choose what drink you want to buy for the girl. If you allow the girl to choose the sugar water then that is on you.[/QUOTE]Yes I know. But I am a gentleman. When I invite a lady for a drink, I don't tell her what to drink. That would be rude.

Of course she then orders sugar water because that's how she makes the most money.

I have no problem paying 150 or 180 baht for an LD. But then it should be a real drink. As before.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy101;2918613]I totally agree but I do think the other tourist are afraid of their safety maybe some treats there way or maybe they don't want to come public to be enemy number one because Thailand is under some real heat with this. That's why I also think they are tryna take the heat off the subject to all the suddenly giving tourist now a 60 day free visa instead of 30 and so many more changes to the visas to bring in more people ( like a magic trick look at this hand of me doing good not this hand of me hiding the tricks ) and get the spotlight off the goons jumping tourists over 2800 bhatt I definitely find it weird we have no update on the guy in the icu yet I think he's dead and hope I really hope I'm wrong and he's okay but they ain't telling us for the backlash they will face they just want to push it under the rug until things die down people say they saw him walking back to the hotel but a YouTuber brought up a good point is that old footage of them just walking down the walking street before the incident. I don't like how we have 0 updates or stories from the tourist side to tell their side they are getting pushed aside.[/QUOTE]I was wrong and thankfully I was I don't have an ego to admit I was wrong! I just watched an update thankfully the guys all good like a member posted before he did get up and go back to his hotel fine and he went out drinking the same night on soi 6 other than after bruises and cuts to his head he was fine what a tough son of gun! That footage was brutal but that guy can taking a beating ahahah! All jokes aside I'm happy to see he's live and well.

[QUOTE=MadDin19;2918847]Yes I know. But I am a gentleman. When I invite a lady for a drink, I don't tell her what to drink. That would be rude.[/QUOTE]LOL. You are in a hoarhouse. Save being a gentleman for cocktail parties full of elite socialites.

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Today you're sitting alone in the bar and the girls are standing outside (Night Wish strategy). And if you're lucky and one comes to you, you have to order her a new glass of sugar water every 3 minutes, otherwise she'll leave again. Sex sells, but not overpriced LDs.

No sir, I'm right. It worked well before, why shouldn't it work anymore?[/QUOTE]I have never had that problem. I am always greeted with offers to sit down. Further, I could care less what the girl drinks. I have never had a girl drink sugar water to pass off as tequila on the 6. I have smelled their drinks many times because they wanted me to know they were real. You must just have bad luck.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2918725] I am interested in hearing your opinion of why you think they are on beach road?[/QUOTE]


[QUOTE=Expat American;2918695]Yes, the reason is to go fuck strangers for money. Just like every other hooker in Pattaya. Just the pick up location and price is different. Once in the room its all the same.[/QUOTE]

Those girls are there for a reason. No lady wants to stand on the street for all to see. They would rather be in a bar or work freelance. It is more discreet for them. However, they can't work in the bars because customers complain too much about them. Secondly, they might be sick. Thirdly, they might be drug addicts and don't have the freedom to do it if they are working in bar. Next, they might be underage and can't work in a bar. Next, they can't go on Thai Friendly or Tinder because their accounts keep getting band for scamming guys. Finally, they plan to rob you so you won't have a bar to complain too or go back to for recourse or a Thai friendly account or line ID or phone number to use to identify them when you go to the cops. I could go on. The list is a mile long.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2918878]Those girls are there for a reason. No lady wants to stand on the street for all to see. They would rather be in a bar or work freelance. It is more discreet for them. However, they can't work in the bars because customers complain too much about them. Secondly, they might be sick. Thirdly, they might be drug addicts and don't have the freedom to do it if they are working in bar. Next, they might be underage and can't work in a bar. Next, they can't go on Thai Friendly or Tinder because their accounts keep getting band for scamming guys. Finally, they plan to rob you so you won't have a bar to complain too or go back to for recourse or a Thai friendly account or line ID or phone number to use to identify them when you go to the cops. I could go on. The list is a mile long.[/QUOTE]Oh my Buddha, you are very afraid.

- Customers also complain about bar girls (I did a few times).

- Bar girls can be sick too. There is no medical check in bars.

- There are girls addicted to Jabba or Weed in every third or fourth bar (own experience).

- Minors work in every fourth or fifth bar (own experience).

- Bar girls don't steal? LOL.

Most of the girls at the beach are there because they simply don't have time to work at the bar from 6 pm to 3 am every day. Maybe because they have another job, maybe because they have a family or children, etc. They don't stand there every day but only when money is tight.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy101;2918859]I was wrong and thankfully I was I don't have an ego to admit I was wrong! I just watched an update thankfully the guys all good like a member posted before he did get up and go back to his hotel fine and he went out drinking the same night on soi 6 other than after bruises and cuts to his head he was fine what a tough son of gun! That footage was brutal but that guy can taking a beating ahahah! All jokes aside I'm happy to see he's live and well.[/QUOTE]It has been reported they locate two of the three involved the victim who got kicked in the head and his brother. The 3rd supposely guy who pushed customer out is gone took a flight out.

He officially after talking with police filed a former complaint against the guards, report also guards said they werent hired by any bar working independently LOL, had no traing and no authrization from anyone in Pattaya City, therefore will be prosecuted for those violation.

Basicslly don't snitch victims are leaving June 8th, which my book will not stick around means no case will quietly go away.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2918878]Those girls are there for a reason. No lady wants to stand on the street for all to see. They would rather be in a bar or work freelance. It is more discreet for them. However, they can't work in the bars because customers complain too much about them. I could go on. The list is a mile long.[/QUOTE]All these "mights" scream you have no idea what you are talking about. First of all the chicks working Beach Road are in fact, freelance! How many guys here have been robbed by a Beach Road girl? I am guessing zero. So the girls sitting outside of gogos with big signs and the ones trying to pull a guy into a bar are being discreet to you?

Let you tell it, Big Mama has a hamburger stand on Soi Buakhao, but she would rather work at McDonald's. She can not work there because customers complained too much and she kept getting fired from Burger King. Never mind people just may want to come and go as they please and have other things to do besides sit in a bar all night.

The chicks, especially from this area, have other obligations and are not able to sit in bars day in and day out like the chicks that come from out of town and may even live at the bar. More chicks than a little are standing on Beach Road and talking in Thai Friendly at the same time waiting to land a customer. Many of those chicks also go to the Walking Street discos when the time is right. What you have just stated is a bunch of prejudice nonsense. Never been around the people but can make a mile long list of assumptions.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2918889]He officially after talking with police filed a former complaint against the guards, victims are leaving June 8th, [/QUOTE]So they are not sticking around to collect their 500 baht?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2918800]Same as the airport taxi. You can go down to the first floor and get an official airport taxi for 2500 baht (gogo bar). You can email a service for somebody to wait on the second floor with your name on a sign for 1500 baht (Soi 6). You can do like me and go outside on the fourth floor and get one for 800 baht (Beach Road). Pick up locations and prices are different, but once inside the car it is all the same.

Some guys look at the bells and whistles that come with the more expensive examples and feel they are somehow getting a better end product. Big fancy desk where you get the official airport taxi. Big stage and fancy lights when you are in the gogo. Custom sign with your name on it when you get the taxi service. Chick to throw a few back with you when you are on Soi 6. Hop in the car and go when you are up on the fourth floor. Get straight down to fucking when you get a chick from Beach Road.[/QUOTE]I happen to like having someone waiting for me when I arrive at BKK. I can afford to pay 1500 - 1600 TBH. I am happy to pay it. The service I use is consistent and vetted and I have used them to transport me to Bangkok when I have had important pressing business. Something that many others do that I will not do is talk about anyone else's choices. Every man up in here is allowed to spend their money how they choose and fuck who they want.

Although I am surprised that you did not mention there is a bus you can take that goes directly from the airport to a station next to Food Mart in Jomtien. 350 THB. I have taken it before. Comfortable ride. What I value most is individuals who share information on the options to have sex with girls here in Pattaya. I remain uncertain as to what critics get out of being critical. Especial when some takes the time to write a good report.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2918725]Thank you for stating things with true clarity.

I am interested in hearing your opinion of why you think they are on beach road?[/QUOTE]Some of them have a day job. When they finish work, they go to Beach Road to make 1,000 baht before heading home to see their husband.

Right now, I'm in Pattaya for 1 week already and I confirm nobody use condoms now in Pattaya! Everyday I fuck 1 lady or sometimes 2, in Soi 6 or in bars in Soy Bukaho or in sex massages and ladies always let me fuck them bareback! 15 years I go Pattaya, most of the ladies know me I've great time with them and their friends and they never asked me to put a condom. Only few girls ask me to put a condom in order to get more money. Usually I give 500 bahts more and they always say yes for bareback!

Only 1 time a girl I know very well in Soi 6 was little bit jealous I fuck her friend in the same bar when she had a day off and she was little bit angry because her friend told her I fuck her bareback too. But finally after 2 drinks a another tip, we go in the room upstairs, we took again the shower together and she let me fuck her bareback again.

Some ladies told me in Pattaya, nowdays, all men want fuck bareback!

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2918694]Some guys won't go with girls even if wearing a condom because they know they have barebacked many guys. That's why I mentioned either with or without a condom. Some guys actually believe when girls tell them they don't go with many customers or believe when they say they have only gone BB with them and no other customers. The point is that if you are paranoid about the ladies not using condoms with customers before you then Pattaya is not there place for you.[/QUOTE]