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[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1494439]Found this from GT thread. This brings up an interesting idea. I haven't tried this, but would girls let you get samples of DFK if they say they offer it? I have had kissing outside the room, but it would seal up the deal. I'm thinking about asking girls if I can sample their DFK and decide if I want to commit or not. I know this is not a good idea as girls will refuse because of possibility of girls being hustled for free DFK, but want to try it. I think at certain clubs like GT, they would say they don't kiss outside the room.[/QUOTE]This is one of the "weird" things about FKK DFK. That is, that a lot of girls won't do it before being selected to go to the room. In fact, now that I think about it, I don't think I've ever had DFK at an FKK before sealing the deal and heading to a room! But then when you get in there, some of the girls turn into tigresses grabbing you and going straight for it! It's weird because DFK is pretty standard in my other top destinations. And, kissing of any type is never anything that I ask for in advance either (and absolutely will not pay extra for!).

I can take it or leave it, but when it happens it's always so much more gratifying when it was just a natural occurrence between me and the girl. This is why I can understand those guys who don't like to negotiate about anything. I understand where they are coming from. If possible, I like to DFK before making a final selection because that gives the monger some indication of how passionate the girl is going to be during a session. I understand that some of them might be concerned about giving away "free" kisses. But, a more savvy tute might realize that strong DFK skills could be just the closer she needs to seal the deal! Hell, for a guy like me, by the time I get to DFK I'm pretty much sold on her anyway! I don't think I've ever declined a girl who I had just been twisting tongues with LOL!

[QUOTE=Hessen Bub;1494483]I never talk about the service I expect in the room, I let it happen.[/QUOTE]Yep, absolutely same for me. It would spoil half of the fun. Makes me feel like I'm buying a car.

I rarely even talk before with the girls, just ask if they are free and off we go. Keep some chat for the room.

Kimino

Is GFE more prevelant than what it used to be years ago? I know I could be kidding myself that it is since I'm much more suited in picking out GFE girls now that when I was a newb. As of late, I'm mainly reading reports of GFE (then again, I'm reading Palace reports. LOL.) , and it has me thinking service by girls are getting better although public action at FRA isn't taking place like it used to during the FRA golden days. Would like to hear what others think. I haven't punted long enough to really make a good judgement.

Hey PL,
I think you need to start by saying what GFE is to you as it can mean a different thing from one guy to another.

[QUOTE=Shark16; 1494717]Hey PL,

I think you need to start by saying what GFE is to you as it can mean a different thing from one guy to another.[/QUOTE]I thought there is still a commonality such as DFK, a good foreplay, and anti-mechical session you get in the room, like having sex with a girlfiend, hence "girl friend experience." Specific to me is being able to finger them, but that probably would not fall understand GFE to most. Also I would think most here would say their high rated reported gir's services are GFE.

Here is an online definition: The girlfriend experience (commonly known as GFE) is a type of service a female sex worker offers which includes acting like a girlfriend to the client. GFE may include french kissing, hugging, talking, and eating a meal together.[1]

and there is more in the link below

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girlfriend_experience[/url]

If it means different thing to every man, why do we even use the term?

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1494720]Here is an online definition: The girlfriend experience (commonly known as GFE) is a type of service a female sex worker offers which includes acting like a girlfriend to the client. GFE may include french kissing, hugging, talking, and eating a meal together.[/QUOTE]This is the best description of a word in Wiki, LOL.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1494720]Also I would think most here would say their high rated reported girl's services are GFE.[/QUOTE]To the contrary, there are those guys like me whose high-rated girls deliver the treasured PSE: "PSE (Porn Star Experience) is a term to describe a sexual encounter that is very similar to what you would see in a pornographic film. Such as talking dirty, ejaculation in the mouth, a wide range of sexual positions and the willingness to sexually please. The sex tends to be raw and very hardcore with few rules." Of course, you did say "most" didn't you? I suppose the most versatile girls are the ones who can effectively deliver either the GFE or PSE according to the customer's taste. I have not had many who can successfully pull that off though. They tend to be good at one or the other, but not both.

[QUOTE=The Cane;1494768]To the contrary, there are those guys like me whose high-rated girls deliver the treasured PSE: "PSE (Porn Star Experience) is a term to describe a sexual encounter that is very similar to what you would see in a pornographic film. Such as talking dirty, ejaculation in the mouth, a wide range of sexual positions and the willingness to sexually please. The sex tends to be raw and very hardcore with few rules." Of course, you did say "most" didn't you? I suppose the most versatile girls are the ones who can effectively deliver either the GFE or PSE according to the customer's taste. I have not had many who can successfully pull that off though. They tend to be good at one or the other, but not both.[/QUOTE]I knew somebody would point this out. Yeah, some value PSE and some value GFE, and some confuse PSE with GFE, and etc. LOL. I just want to consider them as good services or the girl putting efforts beyond the minimum. I like PSE too and also GFE, and sometimes mix of both. I guess the question should be,"[b]has the service by the girls gotten better over the years?[/b]"

[QUOTE=The Cane; 1494502]This is one of the "weird" things about FKK DFK. That is, that a lot of girls won't do it before being selected to go to the room. In fact, now that I think about it, I don't think I've ever had DFK at an FKK before sealing the deal and heading to a room! But then when you get in there, some of the girls turn into tigresses grabbing you and going straight for it! It's weird because DFK is pretty standard in my other top destinations. And, kissing of any type is never anything that I ask for in advance either (and absolutely will not pay extra for!).

I can take it or leave it, but when it happens it's always so much more gratifying when it was just a natural occurrence between me and the girl. This is why I can understand those guys who don't like to negotiate about anything. I understand where they are coming from. If possible, I like to DFK before making a final selection because that gives the monger some indication of how passionate the girl is going to be during a session. I understand that some of them might be concerned about giving away "free" kisses. But, a more savvy tute might realize that strong DFK skills could be just the closer she needs to seal the deal! Hell, for a guy like me, by the time I get to DFK I'm pretty much sold on her anyway! I don't think I've ever declined a girl who I had just been twisting tongues with LOL![/QUOTE]This brings me to the question of which clubs are not so strict / or strict with DFK being a deal sealer. Anyone?

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1494439]would girls let you get samples of DFK if they say they offer it?[/QUOTE]This happened to me once at World. Funny that I used as a way to shake off a girl who was pestering me all night. Said something like I would have to kiss you first and then make up my mind or something along those lines, thinking that she would let go. Big mistake and good one as the kiss really changed my mind and I am so happy that it did!

For me the only way to choose is to go by the vibe. I have my list of "essentials" but don't rule out a girl who won't do one of them provided the vibe is right. I need slim, DATY, DFK and so on but recently have had top rate sessions with girls who miss out at least one of these.

I go by the vibe (good or bad) and am never wrong (maybe you could argue that my expectation determines the outcome? But I think not)

I try not to use my intellect too much (it's worn out with overuse anyway) :)

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1494774]This brings me to the question of which clubs are not so strict / or strict with DFK being a deal sealer. Anyone?[/QUOTE]Few years ago, DFK used to be the norm in most FKK / saunaclub in Germany, as well as OWO, and CIM / CIF (at surcharge) , but in many larger clubs, the standard DFK (and sometimes OWO) part of the offering seems lacking, so in general the GFE service is DECREASING (not increasing). Strangely, in more and more clubs AO (bareback) is offered, which can be considered INCREASING service (or crazy, depending on you reference).

Smaller clubs like Bernds, Panthera, Neby, Lubder Lounge, as well as RTCs (Freude, Alina, Venus, Grimberg, etc) are still offering the basic GFE (DFK, OWO) as standard, so that's why many experienced punters are ignoring the larger clubs and going to these much smaller clubs instead.

What's the best expression or word in German for "upsell"?

[QUOTE=Maxime;1494995]Few years ago, DFK used to be the norm in most FKK / saunaclub in Germany, as well as OWO, and CIM / CIF (at surcharge) , but in many larger clubs, the standard DFK (and sometimes OWO) part of the offering seems lacking, so in general the GFE service is DECREASING (not increasing). Strangely, in more and more clubs AO (bareback) is offered, which can be considered INCREASING service (or crazy, depending on you reference).=[/QUOTE]Maxime, that's hard to believe it was the norm as you say. If the few stunners at the clubs would DFK out in the open, I would agree. Which major clubs were these? Did girls at Palace do that? If girls at Palace did that, it must have been the norm. Oase, I've seen it at times last year in the lounge and more so in the cinema, so it wouldn't be a surprise.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1495391]Maxime, that's hard to believe it was the norm as you say. If the few stunners at the clubs would DFK out in the open, I would agree. Which major clubs were these? Did girls at Palace do that? If girls at Palace did that, it must have been the norm. Oase, I've seen it at times last year in the lounge and more so in the cinema, so it wouldn't be a surprise.[/QUOTE]This used to be the case in Oase, World, GT, etc, but not in the recent year (s). At Palace it was never the case I think, but did not visit it often, because of too many upselling sharks.