Seeking Arrangements

[QUOTE=NoBuglyFitches;2983065]Would this be in Colombia and with older ladies, meaning 30+ and close to you in age?[/QUOTE]No, they were all 25 to 35 years younger than me.

[QUOTE=NoBuglyFitches;2983065]And fucking for mentorship and financial advice doesn't make sense for them because they can get it for free -- you fuck, pay, and then over dinner she gets to learn about stocks, bonds, inflation etc.[/QUOTE]Well, they would have to be with you to get citizenship, and nothing would bore the shit out of me more than someone lecturing me nonstop. That is one thing. It is another for her to tell you her plan and you suggest several viable alternatives that she has never thought of. When it comes to money and women, it is not that they lack the intelligence but they lack the confidence. You are there to lovingly help them with their plan not lecture them on what to do and most women do not have plans that extend beyond a few hours.

In the lives of most people that I like to be with, things go well most of the time, but there are times they get stuck or cannot decide what path to take, and they will ask for your help if they think you can help. With the hottest of women, they are always worried someone is giving them advice such that they can get in their pants. Well, I am already in their pants. This is where a SD is like a daddy. Your SB should trust you, and most SBs I have met have a lack of people / men in their life they can trust.

[QUOTE=DwayneJohnson;2982662]Yeah, EU seems to be requiring more effort and time when compared what everyone is posting about South America. Also since in Germany paid sex is easily available with large variety from FKKs to flat rates, there are less regular girls on seeking. It's mostly professionals who try to score extra money by acting like a virgin.[/QUOTE]US and UK or anywhere would require a lot of time and effort too if you don't have enough dough. If time is object, then knock yourself out.

[QUOTE=NoBuglyFitches;2983015]Was this in SEA countries? This method requires someone to reach out to you so a big Tinder element to it.

Makes sense.

What brothel has so many 18-19 yo, Jakarta?

Yes, same here.[/QUOTE]Yes Jakarta is where I have had more recent experiences. Asian girls are different than European or Americans. Don't get me wrong here and have unrealistic expectations. If you want the hottest 20 yo on the site, you will pay western prices for it. But if you look for certain characteristics in the profile like discreet pictures or better written text etc you can uncover some gems. Again I don't mean to say freebies are that common, but they are not unheard of either.

I've always just given girls cash. Amount arranged in advance. But another poster on here has convinced me that taking a girl shopping gets things next level. I've never done that because I think if you take a girl shopping, you kind of give carte blanche on her choices. I mean what if she goes in a store and picks out a 500 dollar sweater, or just wants to walk out with a new wardrobe. I can see it backfiring to have to tell a girl no I meant you can choose one item under 150 dollars. Put that back please.

How do people handle this?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2982633]Not only should "getting it for free" not be the goal it is in fact counterproductive! I have made this mistake. I had a lovely non-pro that I met several times in London and elsewhere. Always did the allowance SB thing. Flew her to LA and agreed no allowance. Just covering her trip was enough. This was a big FAIL. She began acting like a GF and not in a good way. "I'm too tired". "I have a headache". All thing she's quite entitled to say as a GF not an SB.

Well I fucking learned my lesson. I don't want a girlfriend. I want an SB and that means paying is not only on the table but part of the deal so both parties are happy. No free sex for me. Thank you.[/QUOTE]This is wisdom right here. Spot on.

I very specifically want to pay. And I want to pay well. Why? Because my time is valuable and I don't have endless opportunities to do this stuff and when I do I want it to count. I want to go into the date knowing I'll get what I want, and will define how and when it starts and ends. Price you pay for that is quite literally money.

This is also why I pay very generously in countries where money is cheap and I could get away with paying far less. Because why. The worst possible outcome is she doesn't show up and I lose a night in a foreign country after all, it took to get there. I want to pay at a level where I'm basically assured she'll show up and I will have the night I planned. There's a price for that. It's worth paying.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2983120]I've always just given girls cash. Amount arranged in advance. But another poster on here has convinced me that taking a girl shopping gets things next level. I've never done that because I think if you take a girl shopping, you kind of give carte blanche on her choices. I mean what if she goes in a store and picks out a 500 dollar sweater, or just wants to walk out with a new wardrobe. I can see it backfiring to have to tell a girl no I meant you can choose one item under 150 dollars. Put that back please.

How do people handle this?[/QUOTE]It is a red flag. In Cali, Colombia once, I took a young lady to the mall and told the young lady I only had enough money on my credit card for 2 pair of pants. Of course she took the most expensive pairs. And ghosted me afterwards. I learnt my lession.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2983124]This is wisdom right here. Spot on.

I very specifically want to pay. And I want to pay well. Why? Because my time is valuable and I don't have endless opportunities to do this stuff and when I do I want it to count. I want to go into the date knowing I'll get what I want, and will define how and when it starts and ends. Price you pay for that is quite literally money.

This is also why I pay very generously in countries where money is cheap and I could get away with paying far less. Because why. The worst possible outcome is she doesn't show up and I lose a night in a foreign country after all, it took to get there. I want to pay at a level where I'm basically assured she'll show up and I will have the night I planned. There's a price for that. It's worth paying.[/QUOTE]Agree with you guys on freebies being overrated. And this is from my experience. When I was on Seeking in the states, half of my gals were freebies, and most of those ended horribly.

I also pay a premium. This makes them really want to see me. They will usually drop everything to meet.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2983120]I've always just given girls cash. Amount arranged in advance. But another poster on here has convinced me that taking a girl shopping gets things next level. I've never done that because I think if you take a girl shopping, you kind of give carte blanche on her choices. I mean what if she goes in a store and picks out a 500 dollar sweater, or just wants to walk out with a new wardrobe. I can see it backfiring to have to tell a girl no I meant you can choose one item under 150 dollars. Put that back please.

How do people handle this?[/QUOTE]It's hit or miss, but for me it was mostly a miss. There's usually some uncertainty because she doesn't know what the spending limit is. If you set a limit, then it's weird because why not just gift them that cash amount and let them spend it how they want. If they're shopping with you, then it's usually for cosmetics or jewelry, as most gals prefer to go clothes shopping with their GFs. One cosmetic won't break the bank, but they're not going to buy just one lipstick if you're taking them shopping, and so it'll end up being a lot. I bought a purse for a gal once and it cost thousands. Another wanted a bracelet and it was for over ten thousand and I said no and we got into a big fight.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2983226] I also pay a premium. This makes them really want to see me.

..If you set a limit, then it's weird because why not just gift them that cash amount and let them spend it how they want. If they're shopping with you, then it's usually for cosmetics or jewelry, as most gals prefer to go clothes shopping with their GFs. One cosmetic won't break the bank, but they're not going to buy just one lipstick if you're taking them shopping, and so it'll end up being a lot. I bought a purse for a gal once and it cost thousands. Another wanted a bracelet and it was for over ten thousand and I said no and we got into a big fight.[/QUOTE]I told my SB I would give her $200 for Christmas and we would go to a name-brand discount clothing store which I identified. We went together and she bought 6-7 items that were really discounted for her $200. A few weeks later she wore some of the clothes and modelled them for me.

I went to the dollar store for Valentine's day and bought her a box of chocolates for $1. 25. I felt proud because I wrapped them in wrapping paper that I had been using for 10 years. Then I took her out for lunch at a steak house after giving her my weiner. She was happy. She has been my SB for 5 years now and I have been giving her the same gift amount for 5 years.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2983229]I told my SB I would give her $200 for Christmas and we would go to a name-brand discount clothing store which I identified. We went together and she bought 6-7 items that were really discounted for her $200. A few weeks later she wore some of the clothes and modelled them for me.

I went to the dollar store for Valentine's day and bought her a box of chocolates for $1. 25. I felt proud because I wrapped them in wrapping paper that I had been using for 10 years. Then I took her out for lunch at a steak house after giving her my weiner. She was happy. She has been my SB for 5 years now and I have been giving her the same gift amount for 5 years.[/QUOTE]True story here. I have a soft spot for Cuba. It's so dirt poor. One time I asked a girl I was going to see there if she wanted anything. She sent me a photo of these new balance sneakers. I looked them up and they were 200 dollars. In Cuba that's like months of salary. And I wasn't going to for a girl I'the never met. So I went to big 5 and took a photo of similar new balance sneakers that were like 50 dollars. She said no those aren't the same, can't I find the other ones?

I didn't end up seeing her. I was so disgusted.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2983226]
It's hit or miss, but for me it was mostly a miss. There's usually some uncertainty because she doesn't know what the spending limit is. If you set a limit, then it's weird because why not just gift them that cash amount and let them spend it how they want. If they're shopping with you, then it's usually for cosmetics or jewelry, as most gals prefer to go clothes shopping with their GFs. One cosmetic won't break the bank, but they're not going to buy just one lipstick if you're taking them shopping, and so it'll end up being a lot. I bought a purse for a gal once and it cost thousands. Another wanted a bracelet and it was for over ten thousand and I said no and we got into a big fight.[/QUOTE]Ok that's validating. Honestly, that's what I expect to happen. You give and inch and they take a mile. Never mind. Not going to do the shopping trip thing.

[QUOTE=NoBuglyFitches;2982729]How do you (and Elvis, and Akibono) score these freebies on Seeking? Do you agree to meet without discussing price, then you have sex, and she doesn't bring up money and you don't offer money either? If they are older, say 35+, does that mean you are contacting many older women until you find a potential freebie?

To be clear, my question isn't how to get laid for free in general, or whether it's better to fuck a 40 yo for free or to pay a 20 yo etc, but specifically how do people use Seeking to get laid for free?[/QUOTE]One thing I would mention. ISG is a site dedicated to P4 P. Thus, if someone were "able to get sex for free", then why would they even be registered on here? Unless they are getting sex with women that aren't really up to their standards. I'm sure it's happened before in the past, and I'm sure on an exceedingly rare blue moon, it will happen again in the future. But it is not at all normal for 20 year old girls to be turned on by 70 year old guys, unless she's incentivized by money. Remember, the status quo is what prevails at the end of the day; and not the extreme outlier. Also remember a lot of men have a tendency to boast of bravado and masculinity. That doesn't necessarily mean 100% of the stories are true.

[QUOTE=VanessasClient;2983278]One thing I would mention. ISG is a site dedicated to P4 P. Thus, if someone were "able to get sex for free", then why would they even be registered on here? Unless they are getting sex with women that aren't really up to their standards. I'm sure it's happened before in the past, and I'm sure on an exceedingly rare blue moon, it will happen again in the future. But it is not at all normal for 20 year old girls to be turned on by 70 year old guys, unless she's incentivized by money. Remember, the status quo is what prevails at the end of the day; and not the extreme outlier. Also remember a lot of men have a tendency to boast of bravado and masculinity. That doesn't necessarily mean 100% of the stories are true.[/QUOTE]Great insight, I completely agree and the more and more we go, the less true some stories sound LOL.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2983252]Ok that's validating. Honestly, that's what I expect to happen. You give and inch and they take a mile. Never mind. Not going to do the shopping trip thing.[/QUOTE]I have a few examples, here is one. It's the girl's birthday. She already picked a gift so we knew exactly what she wanted. Once we were in the jewelry store, she pointed out her choice. I had no problem buying it as it was within the budget I had in mind, but the salesperson brought out some other choices that were much more expensive. The girl turned to me and asked me which one I liked. I told her to pick what she wanted. I hope you get what I am saying. The girl doesn't have to do it. The salesperson that is doing her job right will do it for the girl. I normally choose to have the girl that provides the best experience so I frequently repeat many times with the same girl until I find someone that is better. Buying a gift in my case is more like paying after and I expect nothing in return regardless how much it is.

I don't like others to have power over me. I consider buying a girl gift and expected something in return as giving away power.

A couple of months ago, I was in a small quant town. I met two 20 yrs old around midnight. They didn't have money to get into a club and wanted me to help them. My immediate response was "in exchange for sex"? They said I can do whatever I want after the club. I said let's find a place to make out first to seal the deal, then I would give them money for the club, and sex after. They agreed. LOL. There is no P4 P in this city and in the area. They absolutely had no idea of what P4 P was until they met me. Luckily my flight got cancelled the next day so I spent one more day there. Now they were asking me to return.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2983251]She sent me a photo of these new balance sneakers. I looked them up and they were 200 dollars. In Cuba that's like months of salary.
[/QUOTE]Last time I was there a medical doctor made the equivalent of $20 US a month. $200 would be about 10 X the monthly salary of a highly educated Dr.

Have you ever shopped in their government store and seen what they get with their ration cards? Not much. And they only can shop there 21 days of the month, the other days they must steal / borrow or tradel from others.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2983252]Ok that's validating. Honestly, that's what I expect to happen. You give and inch and they take a mile. Never mind. Not going to do the shopping trip thing.[/QUOTE]Good. I have done this many times, and it was never worth it. The best sugar babies want to show they are values / assets and not costs / drains. So they point out to me when I am looking to buy things where my money stretches further. When I come to town and ask if they need something, their response is, I do not need anything just you being here.

I would say though that do not confuse not going shopping with giving gifts. A nice gift that you pick out that she wants / needs will enhance your relationship.