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[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2581315]And No, the vax will not change your DNA. That is ridiculous. But the vax have the same issues.[/QUOTE]I agree with a lot of your points, but DNA alteration is not ridiculous. Quantum physics is also not ridiculous. And medical personnel should start learning about sooner or later. It is a joke that they don't!
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2581476]Yeah, remember when he told everyone that wearing masks was effective? Probably should have listened.
[URL]https://youtu.be/NkN8yCWSGus[/URL][/QUOTE]LOL, he is a face diaper propagandist (is this the right formulation HT?). Bring out the pitchforks!
[QUOTE=Pistons;2581252]I gave that explanation here months ago. Maybe it's even closing up on a year now.[/QUOTE]Ok, I'll go look for it.
[QUOTE=RockyV;2581496]Why do you always want to ridicule yourself? He's not a practicing pathologist although he studied the matter in 1990's, when scientific knowledge was aeons away from what we have now. Would you go and get treatment from a doctor that he's not been practicing for 30 years or from a medical doctor who's currently practicing medicine and has current medical knowledge?[/QUOTE]The guy (Martenson) is definitely an economist first at this point. But I will say, he's pretty fair in most of his assessments. There is no public figure out there that got it completely right this past year but I think that's to be expected. I'll definitely criticize Fauci, CDC, Merkel, WHO, etc for their mishandling. But most of my criticism is because they are generally to broadbrushed or conservative with their recommendations. I guess that's understandable if responsible for billions of people.
As for Martenson, I like that he sees the nuance in situations. He constantly reframed sensational headlines to put them in perspective. But here's the thing, his best comments are not due to any professional training. Zooming out at numbers when media calls a "bump" a "surge" when the "surge" still puts us at 10% of previous highs is an example of something any rational, scientific minded and most importantly objective person could do. Furthermore, he was a research pathologist (a PhD), not a clinician (MD), and not certainly not a public health specialist (MPH). His training is molecular and theoretical, although again, while he shows the intellectual propensity to speak eloquently and rationally, he doesn't have the clinical or public health background to actually serve as the ultimate source of expertise. But all in all, he's pretty rational, makes fair criticisms, is hardly ever hyperbolic, but is also limited in clinical expertise and is not immune to some subjective personal preferences.
I will say this, I agree with him in entertaining alternative treatments like ivermectin in certain scenarios. But he doesn't go all in and try to portray it as something it is not. He seems to have integrity and changes his views based on new data. To put it more eloquently, he does not display ideological rigidity. That shows restraint and objectivity especially when I notice that he regularly reassesses his positions.
You know when you're right over target when Murze, PiZ, 'Locky' V and BB69 come over to spam the whole thread without actually debating any of the issues. LOL!
Anyway, "cases" are going up and the politicians (more power) and Big Pharma (more money) have tasted blood. Why would they NOT do another lockdown?
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2581441]One of the pioneers of mRNA vaccine technology, Robert W. Malone MD, is now warning: "this is worrying me quite a bit."
[URL]https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1416188314701475844?s=20[/URL]
This is what Dr. Robert Malone is worried about:
[URL]https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1415989536933490688.html[/URL]
You see? Not vaccinated? No problem! LOL!
As real scientists like Prof. John Ioannidis have already proven in 2020, this is nothing more than a normal flu with an Infection Mortality Rate of 0,23%, dressed up as a "Plandemic!" Open our entire society (including the FKK clubs) again without ANY test-vaccine-face rag restrictions and organise a Nuremberg Trial 2. 0 for all the politicians and journalists who participated in this Bill Gates scam!
[URL]https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf[/URL]
Page 7:[/QUOTE]LOL, you should change the statement to the foolhardy statement "Don't test, No problem".
Funny how low vaxxed states are also low testing states. Take this Malone's guy's article and put it against testing rates and the numbers are flipped. Basic logic and math.
[URL] https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2021-05-16..latest&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Tests&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR~DEU~ROU~MDA~UKR~NLD~SVN~MLT~SRB~BGR~HRV[/URL]
Look at excess mortality to get a more accurate picture and low vaxxed states aren't doing so hot. Funny how UK, De, and NL show the lowest excess mortality. UK and De even show negative excess death compared to previous years!
[URL] https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2021-05-16..latest&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Excess+mortality&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR~DEU~ROU~MDA~UKR~NLD~SVN~MLT~SRB~BGR~HRV[/URL]
[QUOTE=McGrath;2581650]Did not read.[/QUOTE]He overpaid.
[QUOTE=RockyV;2581497]A reference to such a bullshit, please?[/QUOTE]This is veterinary technology wherein a lot of animal vaccines use the vector virus thing to deliver the virus to the pet patient since instead of making a real vaccine it is cheaper and easier to use a vector virus to traffic to body of the patient to make the antigen to make antibodies for. So this is basically a sham vaccine and used for pets instead of humans. If they make a real vaccine by killing the covid virus and injecting the dead virus then I would recommend to get a real vaccine such as that kind instead.
Previous calling out of bullshittery aside, some rational points to be addessed.
[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2581315] (Vaccines)
1 The long term safety is unknown. We should use ivermectin to buy us time and do thing right.[/QUOTE]Pandemic, mass deaths, must pivot. Ivermectin has general anti-microbial properties that should be considered but at current studies doses, it is an adjunct in early treatment at best. Simply using masks would be an even better policy but we can't even do that right without having to fight the conspiracy people at every turn.
[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2581315]2 we stick to proven platform such as recombinant, attenuated, inactivated, those was already proven. There is no guarantee regarding long term safety. But the platform is proven to be safe.[/QUOTE]Then stick to the adenovirus vector vaccines. Or the Novavax protein vax.
I find it a little odd that one is scared about a vaccine made of whole virus which has all of the genetic material more than a vaccine of only the genetic material surrounded by a lipid micelle. Like being scared of a holstered gun but not a murderer with a gun holstered to his hip.
[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2581315]3 lack of tropism, it is unpredictable where these thing will go. Lack of controllable expression. This is a problem with gene therapy. And No, the vax will not change your DNA. That is ridiculous. But the vax have the same issues.[/QUOTE]Thank you for saying that it won't change DNA. But again the use of the term "gene therapy" here is intentionally misleading. You are quite aware that gene therapy refers to alteration of host generic material. You know these vaccines don't do that yet you keep using the term to scare people.
Who cares about controlling expression, we want it expressed 100% because that is the point. There are no other proteins encoded in the mRNA besides spike protein code.
Where they will go? The only place that matters is the cytoplasm that have translation polymerase to make proteins. Free mRNA is so unstable outside of a shell.
[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2581315]4 Rush, I hear from the grapevine, that the CMC people at these companies are over worked and of low morale. Which lead to quality issues. Some of them said that they just guess and not really doing their job the way they suppose to. It is understandable with a rush timeline.[/QUOTE]It's a pandemic. Recommending ivermectin without "gold standard" clinical trials to recommend dosages that balance efficacy and toxicity is also rushed.
[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2581315]5. lack of trust, Mr Facci prove himself un-trust worthy. What a joke. But I don't need this pandemic to know that. There is no reason why we don't have a HIV vaccine and it disgust me that we don't. Thank Facci. You son of a *.[/QUOTE]I'm fairly certain that HIV vaccine development is difficult mostly due to the nature of the virus's target (immune cells), latency within the host, high degree of genetic variation / mutation, and something to do with its tendency to bind or alter the Fc arm of an antibody.
Maybe Fauci's position and power in regards to funding has hampered vaccine development in ways that you don't personally like. In the end, the nature of an STD that can be easily controlled with simple behavior modification has less impetus for research. No one feels sorry for sexually promiscuous people contracted STDs from unprotected sex. Or druggies using contaminated needles. Sucks the babies of HIV mothers. Don't think vaccines can do much for that.
[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2581315]6. the politicization. Team vaccine, team anti-vax, team ivermectin, team ivermect is just HCQ. We have the power we are going to gaslight you and censor your ass. WTF.[/QUOTE]Politicization goes both ways, obviously.
[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2581315]7. eradication. If we eradicate it, we don't have to worry about immune escape nor ivermectin drug resistance.[/QUOTE]Pipe dream in 2021. Dense population. Politics. Economics. Pandemics and epidemics will be more and more frequent. That has been predicted for decades. Something like 90% of disease causing pathogens developed when humans settled into permanent dwellings and cities thousands of years ago. It will only get worse.
People are pretty dumb and selfish, but I'm not mad at the dummies. They can be controlled and distracted and kept FR causing further harm. The educated ones who voluntarily choose to misinform and misdirect are the ones more dangerous to society. Ahem. Cough. Stop choosing the side of evil.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2581634]You know when you're right over target when Murze, PiZ, 'Locky' V and BB69 come over to spam the whole thread without actually debating any of the issues. LOL!
Anyway, "cases" are going up and the politicians (more power) and Big Pharma (more money) have tasted blood. Why would they NOT do another lockdown?[/QUOTE]1. Well, considering that I've basically posted full manuscripts, that's a bullshit statement.
2. Possibility of mutiny and violence.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2581529]I agree with a lot of your points, but DNA alteration is not ridiculous. Quantum physics is also not ridiculous. And medical personnel should start learning about sooner or later. It is a joke that they don't![/QUOTE]It is totally possible to change your DNA if the RNA / LNP contain code for enzyme to edit dna. In fact, that is the goals of gene editing. But there is no reason to think they put those code in the the vaccine, it is actually harder.
The problem is that there is no telling where these particles go. Which make it hard to target a specific tissue. I remember when I dip my toe in to the world of gene therapy. Some of the lipids are harmless like cholesterol. However, LNP also contains a cocktail of noval lipid dream up by some very ingenuous chemist. When I ask, anyone know what the immune system will do with this, the reply was. Oh it doesn't matter because the patient will be dose with suppressant anyway. Anyway, I'm kind of glad that LNP did not win as a platform. Maybe in 10 or 20 years, LNP is cheaper for gene therapy and can cure many disease.
In addition to antibody against the original Wuhan spike protein, it reasonable to think people are also getting antibody against these lipid particles. I have no clue as to the long term effect of that. And they are going to boost people with these particle again and again due to variant. But it is all a guess, I have no prove.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2581634]You know when you're right over target when Murze, PiZ, 'Locky' V and BB69 come over to spam the whole thread without actually debating any of the issues. LOL![/QUOTE]Impossible to debate with you, you're a right wing fanatic with a strong anti-communism fetish.
My advice, try not to quote Russia Today because it's the nearly official voice of Uncle Vladimir who was a total commie.
Murse,
Oh I think is totally possible to reduce the R0 below 1. We need to use every tool we got.
Adeno virus is a new platform from failed (the forbidden word gene something.) WTF. I think gene therapy is fucking awesome. It doesn't just treat a disease, one dose and you cure a disease. Who want to take drug for the rest of their life.
Anyway, I'm concern about the platform itself, not any drug or vaccine in particular. Those other platform have work for HVB, Polio etc.
Even if you are 100% right. We are more likely to reduce the R0 below 1, if we add ivermectin to the mix for people who refuse to take any vaccine. It doesn't matter who is right wouldn't you agree that it will help bring the R0 below one. Wouldn't it be better if people have choices.
Look at what happen to Judith Smentkiewicz. She was in the ICU with on 20% chance of survival. She took ivermectin and recover. They move her to a different wing. The doctor in that wing refuse to give her ivermectin and she deteriorate. Her family have to sue, the court order the hospital to continue with ivermectin treatment immediately. WTF, the anti-ivermectin people want to kill this lady just to prove they are right?
Admit it, it is an aspirin at 200 ug to 600 ug / kg.
Oil is the reason for the new lockdowns. And there is not enough of it!
Plus a few other reasons. The pro basic income sentiment is going up. And the automation potential is being realized when we lock down the society. Basically during the 4th industrial revolution, work is counterproductive to efficiency and competitiveness. Automation and robotization gives far better yields. So UBI is a no brainer. And thus we need more lockdowns before UBI is fully implemented.
The entire covid debacle is just a waste of focus. A mind trick at most.
I will say this the long term safety is unknow, however, the Novavax is better than all the other covid vaccine. But I don't see the point unless we are serious about eradicate covid.