Melbourne

Good point and I agree with it, however, I also like a good massage (not that you'll always get it) and good value for the rest, so that's the reason for continuing to hunt. Looking at extremes I was in a place in Sth Melb the other week where the massage was good (not great) , the t was offered at an additional $70 or you could go for a BJ for $100. While I like people who are optimists, this was the nun on a clown's back (vergin' on the ridiculous).

I go to the regular places as well (not ML or TS, the boysans often can't make up their minds whether they're running a business or guarding the gate to lotus flowers of China / Korea plus I really hate sitting in a small room with a bunch of guys wondering which one of them will be porking the chick I pick before me. Not that it makes any difference). Places like OO are much better because they try harder and they're better value for money. So you're looking at 20-40 bucks more and only a so-so massage (did I mention I like massage)

[QUOTE=Grrrr;1400782]Re-read my post. I did not say that E25 is cheaper then RnT, but around the same price. What I was getting at was that prices for RnT are going up and service is going down. Go back and have a good look at the archives and see how many punters are getting a tug included for $75. Bugger all. Even when you do get one it's usually off some old chick that has her clothes on and is completely disinterested in what she's doing. I too have been for RnT many times but it is just not worth it anymore when there are chicks like Michelle at Moon Club (she will suck you dry) , Sue, or Snow at OA who will blow more then your mind for $110. I for one am sick of the regular disappointments at RnT. If you think you can do better then go for it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LuckyDeano; 1400887]Tonight must have been the worst massage I've ever had, this woman is a nut case big time, I've been there twice before with massage and happy ending, ok last time I did scare one of her six or more cats out of the massage room (big mistake) they are like her children, and boy did she let me know it.

Ha Ha, she be one of those women who end up on Current Affair becoz she has 50 cats living in the house.

To chase or not to chase.

New haunt in Elgar Road, Box Hill South. Worth a visit but is like entering a lottery. Just don't know the result until you visit. Mondays can be interesting. Might need help with this one guys. Saw a small blonde and was willing to provide FS but was so tight I thought her pussy lips were sown together! Second time visit: a different Chinese girl willing to do BBBJ for the 1st time. Watched her choke and almost throw up! No idea about massage and was pretty nervous. So I expect she was only new to the game. Small size breasts but nipples were odd. By this I mean they looked disfigured or out of alignment. Seemed pleasant enough and accomodating. Reading the posts on brothels such as E25 is much more encourgaging. May have to change tactics.

Happy hunting.

The predator

There are 2 venues on Elgar Road, very close proximity to each other, so if the talent at one is not up to scratch, just a quick stroll over the road and you have more to try.

[QUOTE=Predator; 1401104]To chase or not to chase.

New haunt in Elgar Road, Box Hill South. Worth a visit but is like entering a lottery. Just don't know the result until you visit. Mondays can be interesting. Might need help with this one guys. Saw a small blonde and was willing to provide FS but was so tight I thought her pussy lips were sown together! Second time visit: a different Chinese girl willing to do BBBJ for the 1st time. Watched her choke and almost throw up! No idea about massage and was pretty nervous. So I expect she was only new to the game. Small size breasts but nipples were odd. By this I mean they looked disfigured or out of alignment. Seemed pleasant enough and accomodating. Reading the posts on brothels such as E25 is much more encourgaging. May have to change tactics.

Happy hunting.

The predator[/QUOTE]

Ok count me as another recent RnT retiree. Seems as though it was only a couple of years ago I had a decnt list of RNT's to attend, would pay $70 for 30 minutes, but had a range of girls who were young, attractive, mutual touching everywhere, kissing and very good and sexy attitude from the girl who also gave a decent massage. $100 would get you absoultely everything. I had a few months off, a few places closed and I lost touch with some regulars, and ever since it has been a waste of time and money. Seems the cheap rate seems to be $70, but that is now only fully clothed ladies well into their 40s more often than not.

Something weird is going on at the other forum for punters mostly in Australia also. Tons of posts where the idiots pay a pineapple for a tug from fully clothed grandma. Then tons of replies back slapping the original poster about how lucky they were and what a legend they were for managing to secure this service for an extra $50. Either something is a bit sus, or we are full of brainless punters who are having their first sexual experience at these places and will pay anything. Or is the economy super strong now, wouldn't have thought so. Either way I am confused and retired from the RnT game for the time being.

[QUOTE=Engine Driver; 1400897]I'm with Grrrr and Dan the Man. I've been fed up with rug and tug scene for a while. Complete con and a waste of time and money. Hardly any of them know massage and theur attitudes suck. What pisses me off the most is that there is no sincerity in the service being offered. You want to touch my ass through my clothes? Well, that will be another $30 thanks! What is it with you guys? Is it the thrill that you are about to corrupt a sweet, innocent thing into giving you a hand job, or may be the expectation that you might get a root for free? Maybe it satisfies your CFNM fetish?

Visited two brothels this week. Firstly went to The Main Course, Dudley Street and was very impressed with the renovations. Classy fit out. Saw my old (old being the word) favourite Crystal who still continues to give excellent service. Anything you want except anal penetration with your cock. DFK, AR, BBBJ, DATY etc etc Cost has now gone up to $130 for 30 minutes, but very good value and unrushed experience.

Following Grrrr's advice, I saw Sue at Eastern 25 at Mitcham. Thanks for the tip Grrrr. She is a sensational chick. Everything as described. Beautiful body and smoking hot. Awesome GFE. DFK, AR, BBBJ, DATY etc etc. Cost is $120 for 30 minutes.

Melbourne has a lot of brothels with some unbelievably friendly women. The chances of finding a gem there are better than at a RnT place.[/QUOTE]

Throwing the dice once again with the hope of finding a golden nugget which eludes us time after time. Thought I'the revisit 510 Kooyong or Lucky 888 a place which must surely hold the record for being the most heavily advertised and promoted AMP in Australia. It doesn't take much to figure out why but the minute you walk in the receptionist Angela is someone who diametrically opposes their homepage mission statement. I could go on and on here.

Having had a disappointing experience there in 2012 due to an appointment mix up and unfriendliness I responded to a recent punters claim and threw the dice once again and asked for miss 'A' her name is actually Acy (pronounced like AC / DC) a Girl Friday not outstandingly beautiful as claimed or twenty-one but nevertheless thirty-two or thereabouts but all the same quite pretty and well stacked for an Asian. Initially I'the booked an hour but because of a follow-on appointment told could only do forty-five for $60 I thought here we do again but said OK. I had an immediate uncertain vibe with Acy so I knocked her back and kept it simple and went for the thirty for $50

The back Massage was barely OK but required constant instruction and appraisal and I can't understand the patron value in this. On the flip there was no emotional connection for me so I was dammed if I was going down the path of throwing $60 at her to take off her top like one punter did. I think for Acy the Girl-Friday who does this as a fill-in, fails to put any heart-and-soul into what she does. This really shows but is hard to quantify with reception I know.

I'm not sure about you guys but in almost every case where I have experienced sub-standard or deceived service I have not hesitated in explaining things nicely with the mamasan or receptionist and requested a reimbursement. In almost every case I have received a credit, full refund or VIP upgrade at no extra cost with their best lady and left very habby, but unless you guys are prepared to open your mouth you won't get this. Again, in almost every case the source of complaint no longer works there the following week.

I can't agree more and support comments by 'quote' Engine Driver and several others on what pisses me off is the absolute lack of sincerity in the service being offered. You want to touch my ass through my clothes? Well, that will be another $30 thanks!

I might add to this, the absolute lack of integrity by AMP with regards to selling their product or service. By this I mean deliberately under stating their age usually add ten years, exaggerating her massage capabilities and even outright lies about her attributes or place of origin I. E. She's half Jap half this half that and mostly all crap to sell the girl. What industry does this to you where you part with your hard earned and get fuck-all for your money or do the majority of punters accept this as part of your AMP mystique mixed with so called thrill of chase. I doubt it very much.

As for CFNM and 'quote' Engine Driver nice-one mate! I'm sure the sexual genre of erotica and submissionism exists for me somewhere, however if it's this alone and not reciprocated in any form this experience will sadly be turned on its side. Something which is far more powerful and has the potential to trump any R&T experience is where mutual erotic play is found and reciprocated at a P4P establishment.

Summary: I believe the R&T industry is over represented with poor quality and compromised service, I know it's nice to get plenty of choice and this naturally generates internal competition which healthy. In times of a softening economy (despite one punter claiming its booming) believe it or not, most places are reporting very quiet times, supply and demand, quality of service versus hard earned it's only a matter of time before AMP adjust their prices. I personally see this happening now in a slight way say 2012 many places were asking $80-85hr are now accepting $70hr I won't pay more, in fact some places ask $65 as a regular and $60 in some cases SS St Melb to name you one.

Happy punting. Genuine Lotus

[QUOTE=GtrSpec; 1397050]Person's Name : Veronica.

Establishment : Private residence.

Date of Visit : February 2013.

Contact Details / Address / Weblink : 0413 309 683.

Hours of Business 9am till late.

Rates : $120 30 mins.

Age :mid 30's.

Size / shape : curvy.

Nationality or Ethnicity : Australian.

Services Provided : BBBJ cim rimming DATY.

Value for money / recommend? : 9/10.

My experience / comments.

Well I've seen veronica a few times so it's time for a review.

Booking made by SMS and reply came back within a few minutes to confirm the requested time.

Get to the place then receive a sms saying "COME IN XXXX ". I walk in have my shower then lay on the massage table. Couple minutes later she returns and then bangggggg straight into the rimming this went on for about 15 mins. After that she tells me to turn over then. Before hand I asked if we could do 69 and she happily accepted got into position I go to town on her and likewise does the same on me. Then a satisfying finish as I blow in her mouth.

Offered another shower paid up and went on my merry way.

In all I think she provides a great service and I always have a great time with her she may not be everyone cup of tea but she ticks the right boxes for me.

And for those wondering if she provides a full service yes she does if you become a somewhat regular.

Overall experience 9/10[/QUOTE]I think you are being very generous with a 9 out 10 she did not give a gold medal performance when I visited it was [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] poor actually. Almost no massage to speak of whatsoever with just a few feather strokes on the legs and neck. CIM none of that just a tug. Curvy she is definately not and she might be telling a few fibbs, you say has Australian ethnicity yet when I asked for some information about her service via text she said she had a Euro background. WIR not a chance spend your $120 elswhere.

Been to this new-ish Chinese massage joint (about 6-months old) at the Nepean Hwy end of Martin Street, Brighton called Jade Massage Therapy.

My advice is STAY AWAY.

They advertise in Locanto and now claim opening special, All new staff etc etc you have heard it all before and now also claim to do Full body Korean Lomi-Lomi massage in Brighton (refer previous report on Jade AMP) which summarises; we do vawy-pofessionol-massage' each time it's the most Boring! Boring! Boring! Massage by inexperienced staff who have absolutely no understanding of general massage let alone Lomi-Lomi.

In order to convince the public of their knowledge of the industry they persist in picking up terms and phraseology to run with, yet they continue to take punters money.

Their motives and sincerity are questionable!

Absolutely no hint of anything else but that's another issue. So don't waste your hard earned is my advice.

They even have dropped their rates from $85hr to $70hr (refer my latest report on rate reductions Melb) just to get customers through their door. All we need to do is smile and we take your money.

AVOID

[QUOTE=Happy Chappy;1401224]Ok count me as another recent RnT retiree.[/QUOTE]Yeah I said the same about 6 months ago and was out of action for 3 months or so. You and the other guys will be back. I don't like the Brothel scene thats just not for me. Too clinical, plus I can justify what I do at an RnT not after FS. So RnT is where I end up. The lure of pussy always gets you back. Unless you are stronger than me which ofcourse could very well be possible.

I am at the same point as you though all my regs have moved on so have to go through the cycle again. I tell you what I am harsher now though.

* During the massage I 'accidentally' touch their leg. If they are prudish they move away. If they stay and don't mind the accidental brush they pass this first test.

* On flip when the 'T' topic is eventually established. I always ask "Can I touch?". If they say no or we don't do that. Don't go any further with them. This is rewarding them plus it always ends up being an awful 'T' anyway.

When they ask about 'T' again I politely say no thanks just the massage then. They do try to get you aroused again but stay strong. Well limp (unless you are happy with just a tug and no touch?) When they see you are serious they either stick to their no touch 'policy' or let you.

I just walk out with massage only. Not going to tip them for something that I won't enjoy. Stuff them

In fact just went through this on Thursday at High St. The girl couldn't believe I didn't want a tug from her. Said nup if no touch. I am not interested so no tip.

Saved my $40 (She wanted which is another story) and went down the road to another one and got what I was after.

Lets clean up some of these shite service providers. We have the power not them.

FYI. 47 Viewpoint is closing down and moving to huntingdale Road somewhere not sure of that address. I have had some good sessions there so will miss that one. Supposed to be a brand new shop with nice clean and new equipment?

[QUOTE=Genuine Lotus; 1401485]I personally see this happening now in a slight way say 2012 many places were asking $80-85hr are now accepting $70hr I won't pay more, in fact some places ask $65 as a regular and $60 in some cases SS St Melb to name you one.

Happy punting. Genuine Lotus[/QUOTE]I popped into 179a sunshine (the original and middle one) as I actually wanted a good massage and this used to be good years ago. Out walked a hag who said how long and I said 1 hour to which I got $100. WTF I started laughing. What does that include? Handjob. OK then goodbye. Hang on how much you pay elsewhere, I said 70 with HJ for 1 hour to which she goes OK without thinking about it.

At this point I was never going to stay and will never go back so decided to ask some more questions to see how much I could get and after a few minutes negotiated nude 1 hour with BJ (she would only do covered) for $80. I walked out at that point still saying too expensive cheaper elsewhere to her swearing in Chinese.

Then went to Lotus, usually good massage ugly women but $80. Walk in and was greeted by a hot looking chick in CFM's and slutty clothes. Awesome, thought I'd hit the jackpot but in the room hand over the $100 and she says top off for $20? I said I'll see. Proceeded to 1/10 worst lame massage ever so after 15 minutes of this shit I decided to try it on and got nowhere, she again said $20 to take top off to which I agreed and then only the top comes off and not the bra. Fuck me At the end she hadn't given me the change so I politely asked for my change and the routine started you said top off ok I take off. So I smiled and said ok. Couldn't see mama to complain but I won't go back so after 30 odd visits from me in the last few years they can jam it as well.

Ended up at the legit place in Barkley St. 1xx can't remember the exact number but it was awesome. Been twice now, all knots gone and professional and with a smile. Did it with the undies off and she guided herself around like a pro! Not touched once and no towel even after the flip. Who knows what will happen in time.

I think I will stick to Tender Touch for rooting hot chicks under 30 who do BBBJ (most of the time) and go the Barkley St massage for a proper massage.

Andy

I've noticed a bit of an angry streak in some recent posts. I don't quite understand it though. These girls don't owe us anything. Sure, some of them want to make a few extra bucks. But who doesn't? Who cares if you pay $20 over the odds? You get ripped off in this country every time you walk out the front door! These girls are trying to make a living like you and me.

Anyways, I thought R and T was supposed to be fun. Boys, for $45 you can go to Station St Moorabbin and get a tug. What's bad value about that? Their prices haven't changed in years. Occasionally you will get BBBJ and, in years past, FS. All with no tip. All you have to do is be polite and easygoing. Admittedly the FS days are long gone there, but it's still solid.

I know we all have bad service occasionally. The best advice I can give is don't go back. It's no different to any other business really. But I've noticed that there's a fair bit of whining and then people get upset when they go back and get the same result! What's the definition of insanity again.

In fact just went through this on Thursday at High St. The girl couldn't believe I didn't want a tug from her. Said nup if no touch. I am not interested so no tip.

Saved my $40 (She wanted which is another story) and went down the road to another one and got what I was after.

Lets clean up some of these shite service providers. We have the power not them.

FYI. 47 Viewpoint is closing down and moving to huntingdale Road somewhere not sure of that address. I have had some good sessions there so will miss that one. Supposed to be a brand new shop with nice clean and new equipment?[/QUOTE]Agree re people paying over the odds I will not pay more than 70 for half hour with a handy

Think you will find the people from 47 View been at the Huntingdale Road location for some considerable time already (months)

Good luck all.

Pedro

[QUOTE=Pedros Needs; 1402494]Agree re people paying over the odds I will not pay more than 70 for half hour with a handy

Think you will find the people from 47 View been at the Huntingdale Road location for some considerable time already (months)

Good luck all.

Pedro[/QUOTE]Oh ok. Well the girl I had said the shop at 47 is closing down this week. So won't be able to go there at all. At the moment well as of Friday last it was still open.

You been to huntingdale Road Pedro? What's it like. Any gold there? PM me if you get a chance (also the address would be great)

[QUOTE=Pedros Needs; 1402494]-

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FYI. 47 Viewpoint is closing down and moving to huntingdale Road somewhere not sure of that address. I have had some good sessions there so will miss that one. Supposed to be a brand new shop with nice clean and new equipment?[/QUOTE]Agree re people paying over the odds I will not pay more than 70 for half hour with a handy

Think you will find the people from 47 View been at the Huntingdale Road location for some considerable time already (months)

Good luck all.

Pedro[/QUOTE]


Interesting, there were/are two in Huntingdale Road, one on either side of North Road. The one on the South side used to great value and then went so straight your sides would hurt. Still had an aura about it although it may just have been memories, in the meantime had a couple of the best ever massages.

On the North side [of North] I went to a 'Swedish' place, called that by virtue of a couple pictures of the Swiss Alps. Weird set up with this guy sitting in this little cashiers windowed cubicle and tacked up 2m high massage cubicles staffed by 20+yr olds 'earn some money without affecting my dole' types. My feeling at the time was that there was scoring possibility there after 9 visits and a body re-assignment to that of some current rock hero, so didn't go back.

North was Aussie, so maybe that's what 'Swedish' meant, the other, Asian.

Well, having only discovered are&t fairly recently have now ventured to a few places, most with success to some degree. A quick summary.

Nepean Hwy (near Highett Road) : Tried this for the first time today. Friendly, clean, nice big rooms. Older PRC, maybe 40s. Great massage, reverse ball play and on the flip right into an enthusiastic HJ. $50 all inclusive. WIR. Yes!

Full Body Care (Vic st and Paramount) : Always seems to be good value, usually pretty friendly. Not stunning lookers but ok. Most of the time $30 1/2 hr + 30. Just a pity about the small rooms and curtains instead of doors. WIR. Yes.

Lou Lou, Victoria St: Went a couple of times, reasonable massage, so so HJ. Then last time no extras at all. A liitle confused on this and mamsan came in and said we don't do here. Have not returned since.

SS Massage, Coventry St SM: First one I ever went to. Can be a bit hit and miss as to the quality of service but guaranteed a HJ at least. Have had more and got a wonderful BBBJ plus date licking once but haven't been able to find her again sadly. $40 1/2 hr plus negotiated, anywhere from 20 to 50 depending. WIR. Yes, but being more selective with who is available. Tallish viet girl loves DATY.

Kooyong Road near Inkerman: Been there a couple of times, reported experience previously. WIR. Probably not in a hurry.

Corner Waverly & Burke upstairs. Seems legit. Good massage but no extras.

Tried to find Station St Moorabbin. Where is it? Any assistance on that one would be appreciated. Or any other tips around SE suburbs.

Good luck guys, hope this helps out.