East China - Shanghai

So, here I am chaps. About to depart this fair city after 6 years in her dear arms. We've been through Expo's, clampdowns, Olympic games and much more never mind the changing dynamic of the scene. Even in my early days there were still plenty of pink lights to be found not far north of Jingan along with the delights of the strip on Kangding Lu and the road just off Jiangsu Lu. The BJ factory and the "Bar that cannot be named". The odd place is still there. Taixing Lu for one. Names on the board have come and gone and come again. And I have made some damn fine friends both from here and elsewhere. I've RTFF and told others to do likewise and taken the sage advice of never going with a tout. Crawled in and out of Manhattan, both sober and a little worse for wear, thought I was in love with a crazy Flipper and realised it was just the sex that was good. Some names I'll remember for ever. Others I never knew. And I don't think I ever paid. 1000 was my M's max. 800 my sauna max. Heck some of them should have been paying me.

My advice to those starting out remains the same: hunt alone or in a pack but explore on your own terms and choose a place of your own liking and where you are completely in control. Except for those brief moments when you are out of control and the moment takes over leaving you lying in a pool of satisfaction. And always lock your valuables in a safe.

So what's left? Well there are plenty of massage places happy to give you a HE. Just look and ye shall find. The central saunas have almost gone the way of the dodo but they are still there in various guises but you have to travel a long way out (for my liking) to get service. And the service has on the whole drifted ever downwards and the price ever upwards but there are still jems and perhaps they should be kept that way. They move on so fast, most of the fun is in the exploring. You have to work to earn a return. Value for money is the eye of the beholder and YMMV.

To wrap things up I thought I would start where I began. The Shanghai Hotel. No one mentions the old lady much these days. It used to be the place for red rope and hot girls. But now, lake Miss Haversham she is perhaps feeling a little rejected and the cobwebs are creeping in. But unlike my first trip, post here,

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3013-2007-East-China-Shanghai&p=572992#post572992[/url]

I guess I am pretty much on top of things and can hold down a conversation with the girl bouncing around on top of me. So would I recommend? Well, you know what I would. So here goes:

Shanghai Hotel: Huashan Lu at the intersection of Changle Lu. Just behind the Hilton. The pink building. Go in, take the lift to the third floor (floor number 2 on the lift as Lobby is floor 0) and go in. If you need cash, there is a BOC ATM on the ground floor.

The approach remains the same. Remove shoes, get naked, head for the shower. There'll be a chap who'll want to help you. Just go with it. He doesn't want to suck you off. He just wants a tip. The pool area is clean. Even with our pigs-in-the-river situation the pool was cleaner than I have seen in other places on 'recent' (loose term) visits. Showers not bad and the area, at least at 10pm this evening was not busy (me and three staff). After a soak, off to meet the ladies.

It used to be that they shuffled into the corridor. Daunting for a newbie, but now they sit you on a sofa and the girls shuffle out into. Well the corridor. The line up of about 10 was not bad, and one in particular appeared bouncy and happy. On selecting her, there was a clamber for an upsell to two (that'll be 1300 Mr Newbie). The girls did this, not the papasan. Number 68 was a little plump but I wanted breast today so I took that. If you like tall, english speaking and what appeared to be very keen, they have such a model on show at present. She is Shanghainese so if you have a fantasy of such a lady go there now. Heck, most of us will never get that in town in a club. Unless you are Blacklisted. I nearly did a ban xiao jie mid walk but stuck with what I had.

So with short tubby 68 we headed to the room where she went for her dongxi. Came back and straight into a good, not brilliant BBBJ. Hey, it's the last one. I'll do the detail!

Nice breasts. Worth the gamble. She's from Shandong BTW. And she kept going. And going and we got the whole BBBJCIM+S. Then she went into the routine. Cat bath and stuff, and she was good and fun. Then arse in air, and lots of anal rimming. Used not to like that. Wanted to snog and [url]ewwww[/url], if she was going there, I was not going THERE if you know what I mean. But now, bugger the GFE, lets stick more the PSE. So tongue in deep, lots of massaging of balls and rubbing of cock. And then fang guo lai and onto more BJ. Well, after a good mouthwash. And then we decided to zuo ai and bounce around for a few minutes whilst she did her cute fake moaning (and did not complain about size) and "oh my godding" until I came. She moaned a bit more (if you are a newbie, you will think she came at this point. A little let down: she didn't. OK? She's just trying to make you feel good.) and told me I was "hen ban". It's nice. Even if she has told three other people the same thing today. Check the condom ("yi dian shui". For sure, I am no longer that young) And then we sat and chatted and she massaged my legs and the hour was up and off we went, her skipping and chatting and being genuinely very sweet.

Not bad, and a good way wrap things up. You don't need to haul arse to Jun Hua or wherever it is. You can do likewise in the middle of the city.

Girl Number 68.

Looks: 6 (being mean)

Attitude: definate 8.

Cups: C.

BJ: 7.

Sex: 6. 5.

What else do I include? Oh yes: WIR? : Yes, why not.

Price 760RMB for 70 minutes and who needs more unless you are some lothario and can cope with the heat in the room.

It's been a blast chaps. Thanks to all who posted great advice or amusing stories here. It worked. This one got through 6 years and found much fun. Hope something was given back.

And to all newbies: hell yeah, RTFF, experience, discover and post back.

Enjoy!

WGS

Just returned from a short and enjoyable trip to Shanghai, and wound up at Manhattan all three nights. The first night was Saturday, and it was already jam-packed by 11 PM. It's been a couple years since I was last in Shanghai and last visited Manhattan, but I wasn't expecting things to get going until much later. That night I went home with a stunning young thing from Hanoi who unfortunately turned out to be as mechanical and disengaged as she was beautiful. We had originally agreed LT but I renegotiated that into ST after the disappointing performance.

My second night started off with more disappointment after a very pretty, slightly thick PRC MILF I'd picked up in Paulaner went into "pay first" mode after getting back to the hotel. I was pissed, especially as I'd spent an hour plus chatting her up, and even bought her a drink and a small salad. Of course I refused and gave her 20 RMB for a taxi, then followed her out and into my own cab to hit Manhattan again. Fortunately my luck was much better as this time I met another Vietnamese girl who rocked my world hard and was as into our adventure as I was. She was from Saigon, and come to think of it, in my limited experience with Viets I've had 2 stunners from Hanoi who were sub-par performers, and 5 or 6 girls from Saigon who were all outstanding. Maybe there's a North / South thing going on there.

Anyway on my final night I headed to Malone's in hopes of finding a PRC lady and while there was at least one sitting alone at the bar, she was a bit to tired and worn out for my tastes. There were a couple other cute girls sitting alone but I'm not sure they were working; perhaps not as they got up and left together after a while. With Malone's a strike-out I headed back to Manhattan and was again shocked at how packed it was. This was a Monday evening, maybe around midnight or even earlier; I didn't expect much of a crowd considering it was Monday. I ran into the cold fish from Hanoi and politely declined when she asked if I wanted to go with her again, but she of course was totally fine with that and we ended up chatting for a while. As often happens, when I'm out looking for a good choice I end up being chosen myself, and this time it was a girl who said she was mixed Korean / Chinese, but I think she may have been Mongolian. I never understood why but I have heard in some places Mongolian girls claim to be Korean, I guess thinking that makes them more in-demand. Whatever she was, she was another hit and I really enjoyed my evening with her, enough in fact that I asked her to stay LT.

So, all-in-all a great trip, even considering a couple slight missteps. I really do like Shanghai, although I wish Manhattan wasn't quite so crowded. I can't wait to go back, but sadly it may be a while.

[QUOTE=AsianLover; 1400183]The JC Mandarin is the hotel across from the Portman Center. It has had that name for at least 5 years. There is a bar downstairs and upstairs but I don't recall one being in the lobby. However, WGs sometimes hang out in the lobby on a weekend night. The bar downstairs is a KTV. I have never been inside so I can't comment on it.

The hotel is girl friendly. But if you are concerned and returning late at night, you can go in via the back entrance near the cash machine and take the escalator right up to the second floor. From there, you can take the elevator to your room. You should also note that many hotels ask for IDs for WG to protect the guest from having things taken from your room.

Just another caution. When you walk outside of the JC there will be touts offering girls for massage. These are ALL rip-offs so ignore them. To get rid of them, say "Bu yao" which is Chinese for I don't want. They will usually leave you alone after that.

AL.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the Info Asianlover. I stayed there 7 years ago and was sure there was an Irish bar? Across the lobby with several working girls sat around.

T

SWG, All the best, where ever you may go. There are still some veterans roaming the streets and establishments, though they have become less outspoken. Times have Changed, but the fun has never ended. All the best, Shanghai will miss you.

[QUOTE=World Guy Sh; 1400194]So, here I am chaps. About to depart this fair city after 6 years in her dear arms. We've been through Expo's, clampdowns, Olympic games and much more never mind the changing dynamic of the scene. Even in my early days there were still plenty of pink lights to be found not far north of Jingan along with the delights of the strip on Kangding Lu and the road just off Jiangsu Lu. The BJ factory and the "Bar that cannot be named". The odd place is still there. Taixing Lu for one. Names on the board have come and gone and come again. And I have made some damn fine friends both from here and elsewhere. I've RTFF and told others to do likewise and taken the sage advice of never going with a tout. Crawled in and out of Manhattan, both sober and a little worse for wear, thought I was in love with a crazy Flipper and realised it was just the sex that was good. Some names I'll remember for ever. Others I never knew. And I don't think I ever paid. 1000 was my M's max. 800 my sauna max. Heck some of them should have been paying me.

My advice to those starting out remains the same: hunt alone or in a pack but explore on your own terms and choose a place of your own liking and where you are completely in control. Except for those brief moments when you are out of control and the moment takes over leaving you lying in a pool of satisfaction. And always lock your valuables in a safe.

So what's left? Well there are plenty of massage places happy to give you a HE. Just look and ye shall find. The central saunas have almost gone the way of the dodo but they are still there in various guises but you have to travel a long way out (for my liking) to get service. And the service has on the whole drifted ever downwards and the price ever upwards but there are still jems and perhaps they should be kept that way. They move on so fast, most of the fun is in the exploring. You have to work to earn a return. Value for money is the eye of the beholder and YMMV.

To wrap things up I thought I would start where I began. The Shanghai Hotel. No one mentions the old lady much these days. It used to be the place for red rope and hot girls. But now, lake Miss Haversham she is perhaps feeling a little rejected and the cobwebs are creeping in. But unlike my first trip, post here,

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3013-2007-East-China-Shanghai&p=572992#post572992[/url]

I guess I am pretty much on top of things and can hold down a conversation with the girl bouncing around on top of me. So would I recommend? Well, you know what I would. So here goes:

Shanghai Hotel: Huashan Lu at the intersection of Changle Lu. Just behind the Hilton. The pink building. Go in, take the lift to the third floor (floor number 2 on the lift as Lobby is floor 0) and go in. If you need cash, there is a BOC ATM on the ground floor.

The approach remains the same. Remove shoes, get naked, head for the shower. There'll be a chap who'll want to help you. Just go with it. He doesn't want to suck you off. He just wants a tip. The pool area is clean. Even with our pigs-in-the-river situation the pool was cleaner than I have seen in other places on 'recent' (loose term) visits. Showers not bad and the area, at least at 10pm this evening was not busy (me and three staff). After a soak, off to meet the ladies.

It used to be that they shuffled into the corridor. Daunting for a newbie, but now they sit you on a sofa and the girls shuffle out into. Well the corridor. The line up of about 10 was not bad, and one in particular appeared bouncy and happy. On selecting her, there was a clamber for an upsell to two (that'll be 1300 Mr Newbie). The girls did this, not the papasan. Number 68 was a little plump but I wanted breast today so I took that. If you like tall, english speaking and what appeared to be very keen, they have such a model on show at present. She is Shanghainese so if you have a fantasy of such a lady go there now. Heck, most of us will never get that in town in a club. Unless you are Blacklisted. I nearly did a ban xiao jie mid walk but stuck with what I had.

So with short tubby 68 we headed to the room where she went for her dongxi. Came back and straight into a good, not brilliant BBBJ. Hey, it's the last one. I'll do the detail!

Nice breasts. Worth the gamble. She's from Shandong BTW. And she kept going. And going and we got the whole BBBJCIM+S. Then she went into the routine. Cat bath and stuff, and she was good and fun. Then arse in air, and lots of anal rimming. Used not to like that. Wanted to snog and.

[url]ewwww[/url]

, if she was going there, I was not going THERE if you know what I mean. But now, bugger the GFE, lets stick more the PSE. So tongue in deep, lots of massaging of balls and rubbing of cock. And then fang guo lai and onto more BJ. Well, after a good mouthwash. And then we decided to zuo ai and bounce around for a few minutes whilst she did her cute fake moaning (and did not complain about size) and "oh my godding" until I came. She moaned a bit more (if you are a newbie, you will think she came at this point. A little let down: she didn't. OK? She's just trying to make you feel good.) and told me I was "hen ban". It's nice. Even if she has told three other people the same thing today. Check the condom ("yi dian shui". For sure, I am no longer that young) And then we sat and chatted and she massaged my legs and the hour was up and off we went, her skipping and chatting and being genuinely very sweet.

Not bad, and a good way wrap things up. You don't need to haul arse to Jun Hua or wherever it is. You can do likewise in the middle of the city.

Girl Number 68.

Looks: 6 (being mean)

Attitude: definate 8.

Cups: C.

BJ: 7.

Sex: 6. 5.

What else do I include? Oh yes: WIR? : Yes, why not.

Price 760RMB for 70 minutes and who needs more unless you are some lothario and can cope with the heat in the room.

It's been a blast chaps. Thanks to all who posted great advice or amusing stories here. It worked. This one got through 6 years and found much fun. Hope something was given back.

And to all newbies: hell yeah, RTFF, experience, discover and post back.

Enjoy!

WGS[/QUOTE]

Good luck, where ever your mongering road takes you!

[QUOTE=World Guy Sh; 1400194]So, here I am chaps. About to depart this fair city after 6 years in her dear arms. We've been through Expo's, clampdowns, Olympic games and much more never mind the changing dynamic of the scene. Even in my early days there were still plenty of pink lights to be found not far north of Jingan along with the delights of the strip on Kangding Lu and the road just off Jiangsu Lu. The BJ factory and the "Bar that cannot be named". The odd place is still there. Taixing Lu for one. Names on the board have come and gone and come again. And I have made some damn fine friends both from here and elsewhere. I've RTFF and told others to do likewise and taken the sage advice of never going with a tout. Crawled in and out of Manhattan, both sober and a little worse for wear, thought I was in love with a crazy Flipper and realised it was just the sex that was good. Some names I'll remember for ever. Others I never knew. And I don't think I ever paid. 1000 was my M's max. 800 my sauna max. Heck some of them should have been paying me.

My advice to those starting out remains the same: hunt alone or in a pack but explore on your own terms and choose a place of your own liking and where you are completely in control. Except for those brief moments when you are out of control and the moment takes over leaving you lying in a pool of satisfaction. And always lock your valuables in a safe.

So what's left? Well there are plenty of massage places happy to give you a HE. Just look and ye shall find. The central saunas have almost gone the way of the dodo but they are still there in various guises but you have to travel a long way out (for my liking) to get service. And the service has on the whole drifted ever downwards and the price ever upwards but there are still jems and perhaps they should be kept that way. They move on so fast, most of the fun is in the exploring. You have to work to earn a return. Value for money is the eye of the beholder and YMMV.

To wrap things up I thought I would start where I began. The Shanghai Hotel. No one mentions the old lady much these days. It used to be the place for red rope and hot girls. But now, lake Miss Haversham she is perhaps feeling a little rejected and the cobwebs are creeping in. But unlike my first trip, post here,

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3013-2007-East-China-Shanghai&p=572992#post572992[/url]

I guess I am pretty much on top of things and can hold down a conversation with the girl bouncing around on top of me. So would I recommend? Well, you know what I would. So here goes:

Shanghai Hotel: Huashan Lu at the intersection of Changle Lu. Just behind the Hilton. The pink building. Go in, take the lift to the third floor (floor number 2 on the lift as Lobby is floor 0) and go in. If you need cash, there is a BOC ATM on the ground floor.

The approach remains the same. Remove shoes, get naked, head for the shower. There'll be a chap who'll want to help you. Just go with it. He doesn't want to suck you off. He just wants a tip. The pool area is clean. Even with our pigs-in-the-river situation the pool was cleaner than I have seen in other places on 'recent' (loose term) visits. Showers not bad and the area, at least at 10pm this evening was not busy (me and three staff). After a soak, off to meet the ladies.

It used to be that they shuffled into the corridor. Daunting for a newbie, but now they sit you on a sofa and the girls shuffle out into. Well the corridor. The line up of about 10 was not bad, and one in particular appeared bouncy and happy. On selecting her, there was a clamber for an upsell to two (that'll be 1300 Mr Newbie). The girls did this, not the papasan. Number 68 was a little plump but I wanted breast today so I took that. If you like tall, english speaking and what appeared to be very keen, they have such a model on show at present. She is Shanghainese so if you have a fantasy of such a lady go there now. Heck, most of us will never get that in town in a club. Unless you are Blacklisted. I nearly did a ban xiao jie mid walk but stuck with what I had.

So with short tubby 68 we headed to the room where she went for her dongxi. Came back and straight into a good, not brilliant BBBJ. Hey, it's the last one. I'll do the detail!

Nice breasts. Worth the gamble. She's from Shandong BTW. And she kept going. And going and we got the whole BBBJCIM+S. Then she went into the routine. Cat bath and stuff, and she was good and fun. Then arse in air, and lots of anal rimming. Used not to like that. Wanted to snog and.

[url]ewwww[/url]

, if she was going there, I was not going THERE if you know what I mean. But now, bugger the GFE, lets stick more the PSE. So tongue in deep, lots of massaging of balls and rubbing of cock. And then fang guo lai and onto more BJ. Well, after a good mouthwash. And then we decided to zuo ai and bounce around for a few minutes whilst she did her cute fake moaning (and did not complain about size) and "oh my godding" until I came. She moaned a bit more (if you are a newbie, you will think she came at this point. A little let down: she didn't. OK? She's just trying to make you feel good.) and told me I was "hen ban". It's nice. Even if she has told three other people the same thing today. Check the condom ("yi dian shui". For sure, I am no longer that young) And then we sat and chatted and she massaged my legs and the hour was up and off we went, her skipping and chatting and being genuinely very sweet.

Not bad, and a good way wrap things up. You don't need to haul arse to Jun Hua or wherever it is. You can do likewise in the middle of the city.

Girl Number 68.

Looks: 6 (being mean)

Attitude: definate 8.

Cups: C.

BJ: 7.

Sex: 6. 5.

What else do I include? Oh yes: WIR? : Yes, why not.

Price 760RMB for 70 minutes and who needs more unless you are some lothario and can cope with the heat in the room.

It's been a blast chaps. Thanks to all who posted great advice or amusing stories here. It worked. This one got through 6 years and found much fun. Hope something was given back.

And to all newbies: hell yeah, RTFF, experience, discover and post back.

Enjoy!

WGS[/QUOTE]

CL continues to surprise me. I was checking women looking for men in the personals, and there are tons of pics of gorgeous girls with phone numbers embedded in the photo.

Are any of these girls real?

[QUOTE=Forest; 1400915]CL continues to surprise me. I was checking women looking for men in the personals, and there are tons of pics of gorgeous girls with phone numbers embedded in the photo.

Are any of these girls real?[/QUOTE]All Fake.

Lev

[QUOTE=Levitian; 1400954]All Fake.

Lev[/QUOTE]Thanks Lev.

I think I found what I am looking for. I found a young lady under travel on CL who is a guide. I asked her about special services, and she agreed to spend three days and nights with me for 2500 RMB per day. She will show me the sights and fuck me silly, I hope! (hope springs eternal, as they say).

I send off emails to other guides, and most did not reply. One told me to write an escort agency. I think this was sound advice, LOL, except my girl looks beautiful and seems like what I was looking for.

[QUOTE=Forest; 1400957]Thanks Lev.

I think I found what I am looking for. I found a young lady under travel on CL who is a guide. I asked her about special services, and she agreed to spend three days and nights with me for 2500 RMB per day. She will show me the sights and fuck me silly, I hope! (hope springs eternal, as they say).

I send off emails to other guides, and most did not reply. One told me to write an escort agency. I think this was sound advice, LOL, except my girl looks beautiful and seems like what I was looking for.[/QUOTE]I'm afraid you'll get a bad guide during the day and an upsell or bad service at night. I'd suggest just hire a guide during the day and go have some variety at night.

Walked around Jing An last week and the place was literally packed with BBS and massage parlors. Tons of them on Anyuan Lu (between Shaanxi Lu and Changshou Lu) with some great young talents: just walk around, check inside and see what you like. My favourite however was a BBS on Shaanxi Lu, in the section between Kangding Lu and Changping Lu. Walking south from Changping Lu / Shaanxi Lu (thevfamous intersection) , after 300mt you will see one on the left side (on the other side of the road of a wine bar). Walk 10 more metres and on the same side you will find another one with a few great MILFs. Ask of Milefei (&31859; &20048; &32933. If she is there you can easily recognize her: pretty stunning look (for a 35/40year old) , black hair, pony-tail and an amazing rack. The place is pretty shabby but she is worth the experience. Her body is simply amazing, to die for. Great BBJ and not a single complaint about size or time (no rush). I asked her if I could unload on her chest and she let me do that with pleasure. Great experience for 300RMB.

[QUOTE=Forest; 1400957]Thanks Lev.

I think I found what I am looking for. I found a young lady under travel on CL who is a guide. I asked her about special services, and she agreed to spend three days and nights with me for 2500 RMB per day. She will show me the sights and fuck me silly, I hope! (hope springs eternal, as they say).

I send off emails to other guides, and most did not reply. One told me to write an escort agency. I think this was sound advice, LOL, except my girl looks beautiful and seems like what I was looking for.[/QUOTE]You have seen her in person to know she is beautiful?

OS

[QUOTE=Old South; 1401058]You have seen her in person to know she is beautiful?

OS[/QUOTE]I would not trust any pictures, before I met her face to face. This agencies are very creativ to find "real" picture of the girls and when he arrived, it will be too late to deny, I am afraid.

Hi guys,

Sometimes you are really lucky, for me it was a "serendipity": Walking to my hotel a good looking lady walked by.

And said "hello" like about a million before. But somehow a couple of yards walking on I just turned around and she.

Came back too and handed her phone nr to me. Again like so many before. She told me she would go to Malone's.

- another of those pick up places. Later in my hotel room pretty late, I just gave it a chance calling her.

To make it short it was the best experience ever.

I rather would keep her for me. I did see her again one month later and it was even better.

I will share more. But only via PM.

Gregory

Went to Siyuan yesterday evening and it was the worst sauna experience ever. Landed there at about 9:15 PM and was taken to a room with other Chinese guys around.

Waited for 45 mins and taken to the line up at 10 PM. When I selected a girl, the guy said no choose another, when I selected another again choose other WTF. He gave me 2 numbers and said I could take one of these 2. One was with huge fake tits and ugly looking and 2nd was OK. I wanted to leave but the little head was thinking so took the OK one. Off to the room to a very mechanical titty massage and bath for 15 mins and on the bed. A good BBBJ for 15 mins and then cowgirl, reverse cowgirl, doggy and mish to finish. Bath and out. Total time spend about 55 mins. The sex was good but I expected much more and a better sauna experience for 880. Even Sarcosa is a much better deal with 2 pops.

Girl. 7.

Sex. 8.

Experience. 2.

WIR. Never

Thanks to posts 6429 and 6430, had a good time in the Jing'an area.

Went to the BBS on Anyuan Lu, there are 3 on each side of Changde Lu. All had decent looking girls. Chose 1 and negotiated 300 for BBBJ and fuck. Went to the back room. No doors, just a curtain and you can hear live porn with girls going on in the next cube. The BBBJ and sex was decent. Total about 20 mins, The girl was tight and a good lay.

Next walked about for a while checking the other BBS girls. Will try them the next time.

Walked to the massage place on Shaanxi Bei Lu. Between Xinfeng Lu and Anyuan lu. No mini mart there. Just 1 small massage place. 218 for a prostrate massage. Go up the stairs 2 flights up, to a small room. A cute little spinner walks in. Undress and lay on the table. Got one of the best massage I have ever had. Turn over and more massage. Then she got between my legs and started playing with my dick and giving a HJ. She had good technique. As I had come once before, it took her about 25 mins to make me shoot and she was game all the way. Had tired hands at the end but never complained. No extras except getting her topless and playing with her tits for 100. I declined and that didn't stop her from giving an excellent HJ.

All in all an excellent evening with a good massage, awesome HJ and decent BBBJ and sex for 500. Much better then spending 880 at Siyuan.

KJ