General Info

[QUOTE=Eeyore;1510550]I've met women working at FKKs from all of these countries, not to mention those from other places outside the EU. Would an American woman on a tourist visa face any greater risk?[/QUOTE]Those non-EU women either have a work permit or are working there illegally! American women will need a visa with a working permit as well. A couple of years ago, there was a raid at a Spermagames-party when Emma Starr was supposed to party there. She didn't have a work permit, so the party had to happen without her.

Was Romania included in the EU for the girls? So that we can get good service for 50 Euros(so it doesn't get inflated for a decade? lol. curious if P4P can get inflated.) and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off the German WGs? LOL. All these influx of Romanian girls should have an effect on Romanian economy, and hopefully they use it to their benefit to improve their conditions. Then again, if that happens no more hard working for 50 Euros tutes in FKK!

One thing I like to know is how the influx of Romanian girls effects the German economy. Voyager mentioned that 60% of punters at Oase are other than German, so that brings in money to the country. But the Romanian girls are taking money to Romania.
[QUOTE=Voyajer1;1510717]German punters make up around 40% of an FKK clientele during non Mesee periods. The rest is us, lots of Americans, italians, many arab and asian nationalities whom always seem to be there in large numbers.[/QUOTE]
Anyway it doesn't affect me in anyway, just curious.

About the American girl that wants to work in the clubs. Maybe there is a temporary work visa or other, should research that so that she can work temporarily. Yes, she's not from a country that is part of the Union, she probably needs to be registed so that Germany can get taxes from her.

She should be sure that she is ok with FKK environment as I've seen these poor girls first day in the clubs that looked to be frightened kittens. First day in FKK for girls would be pretty rough. I think GT is pretty rough on the girls, the new girls I prey on there have sweaty palms and has frightened eyes.

Eeyore is the first pimp I know of in this forum. LOL.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1510822]Eeyore is the first pimp I know of in this forum. LOL.[/QUOTE]Sorry, that's a serious charge where I come from and even if I don't find it funny, I hope it is meant as a joke. The reason I ask is that the women I tell about FKKs seem not to believe such places exist-they think I'm telling them some weird male fantasy. Almost all I tell are curious and I've encouraged them to visit and check one out even if they don't / can't work just to see I'm not just making it up. Especially the students who are working their way through school and want to travel abroad a semester. I'm sure that there is a downside. While it might not benefit them, I assure you that there is nothing in it for me. Quite the contrary-some of the most intelligent and skilled providers would leave America if it was an option and they found it worked out for them.

[QUOTE=Eeyore;1510930]Quite the contrary-some of the most intelligent and skilled providers would leave America if it was an option and they found it worked out for them.[/QUOTE]Why would they do that when a 40 year old escort in reasonably good shape can make $300 per hour in some US markets?

Go to the ECCIE website and check out the New Orleans market ... basically ALL U.S. markets the professionals do better than they ever would for 100 Euro's per hour in an FKK.

Unless you are talking BACKPAGE girls - in which case you'd have to remove the words "intelligent" and "skilled" from your statement.

[QUOTE=Arctic; 1511019]Why would they do that when a 40 year old escort in reasonably good shape can make $300 per hour in some US markets?

Go to the ECCIE website and check out the New Orleans market. Basically ALL USA markets the professionals do better than they ever would for 100 Euro's per hour in an FKK.

Unless you are talking BACKPAGE girls. In which case you'd have to remove the words "intelligent" and "skilled" from your statement.[/QUOTE]Another factor to consider is that it is totally illegal in the States. This is a big risk (boy or girl) for the participants over here in the States. In my State for example, they are always setting up stings and catching people all the time (at least according to the local media). The illegality also tends to make total possible customer throughout less (much easier to snag X number of customers in an FKK rather than having to do a web site and getting the occasional booking here or there). Granted, it's different in every market and many girls are very successful with the escorting here in the States. Still, there's always that fear of being caught.

Even where the girl is extremely careful about not getting caught, there is difficulty of not having legal recourse if something goes awry since the transaction is illegal over here. If a guy slaps the girl around or whatever, the girl has a more difficult time going to the police in those situations due to the illegality.

Just some factors that might tip the balance to a lower cost FKK model. More customers, more legal versus higher price, illegal. Of course, most Americans have no work authorization in Germany so this is largely a moot point.

Gentlemen,

With all due respect, talk of North American women working in European FKK / Sauna Clubs belongs in the realm of fantasy and certainly not in the General Info Thread. What General Information are you offering fellow members? I suggest that you take this "discussion" to a more appropriate location I. E. The Lounge and Chat Section, where subject matter of a more fictional nature is more easily tolerated.

Wondering, in all the reports I've read, it seems that I would be paying for 30/60 minutes at a time, nobody seems to mention as to how this time is kept track of. Is there clocks on the wall in the room or do you have to bring a wristwatch or do you go by what the provider says. I've read several reports and no one seems to say how the time is kept track of.

Thanks in advance to those that respond.

[QUOTE=Timberline;1511192]how this time is kept track of[/QUOTE]I can't recall any FKK I've visited having clocks in the room. The provider keeps track of time, but I would strongly recommend wearing a watch and conspicuously noting the start time when entering the room. In fact, I like to tell the lady something like "OK, it's 8. 15pm, let's go for an hour" right at the start just so there is no room for argument. You can always extend if you want once you're happy with the session.

I wear an old diving watch which can handle the showers / spas / pools.

[QUOTE=ShoesAndSocks;1511207]In fact, I like to tell the lady something like "OK, it's 8. 15pm, let's go for an hour" right at the start just so there is no room for argument.[/QUOTE]This is a good way to let the lady know that you are mindful of the time. I like this.

At the NRW, clubs such as ACA and Magnum has a key counter that issues you and the lady a key and writes down the times. Also at ACA, there is a clock on top of the door, but it's too far to make out the time, and you don't want to walk over to it in a middle of a BJ.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker; 1511223]This is a good way to let the lady know that you are mindful of the time. I like this.

At the NRW, clubs such as ACA and Magnum has a key counter that issues you and the lady a key and writes down the times. Also at ACA, there is a clock on top of the door, but it's too far to make out the time, and you don't want to walk over to it in a middle of a BJ.[/QUOTE]You can always take it down and place it near the bed. Best anti-sharking tool available. LOL!

I've never had a problem with times.

My standard is."As long as I'm having a good time. I'll stay." That's what I tell the girls.

I have a watch. So it's not like I need an FKK supplied clock to tell what time it is.

Most girls aren't that enthusiastic to do a simple 30 min session with no extras. I usually tell them we're going to go at least an hour unless I get angry or something. I've never gotten angry though. I've found that once the girl realizes you aren't out for a cheepo quicky. She relaxes and has a good time.

Then again. I always tip pretty heavy. I only go to the FKK's about once a year for about a week so I bring plenty of cash with me. I don't have time to fuck around with unmotivated girls who give poor service. You'd be surprised at how some girls who get poor reviews turn into porno vixens behind closed doors when they know they are going to make a bit more money in a session.

What I HAVE had a problem is. Is some girls feel entitled to repeat sessions with me. And actually get angry that I won't take them for another fuck. But I don't give a shit about them. I tell them to get lost.

Then there are girls who respect my decisions. They'll keep checking on me from time to time to see if I want them again. Or they'll bring a friend by and ask if she's hot enough for me to do doubles. They'll just smile real big and say."Okay, I'm here if you need me, Arctic". I LOVE those girls. They make the FKK experience unbelievable.

[QUOTE=ShoesAndSocks;1511207]I can't recall any FKK I've visited having clocks in the room. The provider keeps track of time,[/QUOTE]Ever been to Sharks? They've put clocks in EVERY room a few months ago. And yes, the provider does keep track of time, but dependig on the girl and how well you know her you should do the same.

HB

Unless I know the girl well, I not only note the time on my phone or watch but I also conspicuously show the time to the girl and repeat it out loud too,"Ah, it's 8:06 pm." That way, the girl knows that I know the time and she will be less likely to get creative with the time or try to suddenly create a revisionist history of when we started in the room.

This is also a good safeguard for those rare times when I forget when we started. I can ask the girl what time we started and she's more likely to remember and / or give me the correct starting time back.

You can't just rely on the girl to keep track of the time for two reasons: (1) sometimes they like to get creative and (2) if you've gone 40 minutes, you're already paying for an hour, so you've got some extra time to enjoy in the room before going to pay (otherwise, you've just lost 15-20 minutes of play time by not keeping track of the time).

[QUOTE=Ultrahappy; 1511053]Another factor to consider is that it is totally illegal in the States. This is a big risk (boy or girl) for the participants over here in the States. In my State for example, they are always setting up stings and catching people all the time (at least according to the local media). The illegality also tends to make total possible customer throughout less (much easier to snag X number of customers in an FKK rather than having to do a web site and getting the occasional booking here or there). Granted, it's different in every market and many girls are very successful with the escorting here in the States. Still, there's always that fear of being caught.

Even where the girl is extremely careful about not getting caught, there is difficulty of not having legal recourse if something goes awry since the transaction is illegal over here. If a guy slaps the girl around or whatever, the girl has a more difficult time going to the police in those situations due to the illegality.

Just some factors that might tip the balance to a lower cost FKK model. More customers, more legal versus higher price, illegal. Of course, most Americans have no work authorization in Germany so this is largely a moot point.[/QUOTE]You nailed it. The other factor is that just staying in Europe for 30-90 days is appealing to many Americans. If top providers can take a three month vacation and pick up a little spending money on the side by working a few hours, they'll do it. Another thing is that some of them just fucking love Europeans and there aren't enough Europeans here for them to fuck.

In my recent trip which included 10 girls and 9 hours in room including a threesome I found the best policy in each case was just to say I want 1 hour once at the start and never mention the time again. You will know instinctively if its been an hour or very near to. I mean does it really matter if 5 or 10 mins are not met assuming you have had a great time. Also I never asked before what we were going to do or not do, for eg I did not ask about kissing or similar. Once in the room it is okay to mildly discuss what fetishes or turn ons you like but I also asked the girl what turned her on too every time. The minute you start adding time restrictions or monitoring the time, this shows them there is an element of mistrust from the start and yes it will linger during the hour. Once you start making advance demands about what you want sexually a psychological barrier has been created that IMHO just makes the time with the girl mechanical. My advice is to pick the girl you like the best outside relying heavily on your sixth sense. If it goes well and you reach that zone, well all the good. If it goes bad well its a 100 lost and you know better next time hopefully. Nothing is 100% I find and nothing ventured nothing gained. I used this way and had not 1 dud session out of 9 hours in the room.i am not by any means an expert but I think this is the best advice to newcomers to the scene and that is not to worry and just go with the flow. half an hour is not enough for any girl to get into it in my opinion.