Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2896250]They're all a fucking ripoff too. Plaza Botero / La Veracruz / CRA 53 is a much better value and half the time (possibly more than half) it's the same chicas working both venues.

It's like Mr. E said recently, you can buy a Big Mac at the regular McDonald's or you can buy a Big Mac at a McDonald's inside an airport. Same Big Mac but two different prices.[/QUOTE]I am in Seychelles now and went on a tour yesterday. I booked mine at one of the tour booths on the beach. Initially dude told me 170 euro. I talked him down so much that he said look. I have to give the tour company 130 euro. Anything over is what I keep. So he ended up charging me 140 euro. I paid 10 euro down and the rest when I was on the tour. There were some people that paid over 300 euro. I know because when he went to collect from a pair of chicks he said 600 (so 300 each plus whatever deposit they had already paid.) When you look online on different sites there are prices of 175 euro, $265,273 euro. We were all on the same boat and had all equal everything. So no you do not get what you pay for. Sometimes you get the exact same as someone that knew better and paid a lot less.

Also along the lines of what you were saying, I was in Ethiopia last week. I contacted a place on whatsapp called model delivery service. When dude finally got around to sending the pictures one of them was a chick I was in the room with at the cheap spot ($10) at that very moment. Another was a chick I fucked the same place the day before. (That chick even tried to tell me double of what the model delivery guy said for all night!) And others were chicks I saw at other cheap spots. So it happens everywhere. You just have to be shrewd.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2896330].You can try observing some of the other mongers. If you're willing to be patient and relax, you'll eventually find another monger on the prowl (or getting hunted by a lady) and you'll see how it's done.

It's okay to lose. Getting rejected is fine, so get over it. It's also okay to scope out a girl and have her get picked up by another guy while you are building up your confidence and learning how things work. As you get comfortable, you won't need to wait so long before making a move.

Some of these are just generic tips but hopefully some help for the newbies who are not used to hitting on random women.[/QUOTE]Great tips! How are guys screening out potential trouble makers, ie. , those who will likely drug / rob you? I was under the impression from past several posts on Lleras that it's best not to pull from there.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2896430]Great tips! How are guys screening out potential trouble makers, ie. , those who will likely drug / rob you? I was under the impression from past several posts on Lleras that it's best not to pull from there.[/QUOTE]You can't screen a girl you pick up off the street whether near Lleras or anywhere else, other than asking to see her cedula, and knowing enough about it to see if it looks legit and her age, etc. Is ok.

The best you can do is have a safe place to take her, for example a hotel or apartment where security will record her info, check her ID, etc. And then be careful with your drinks, etc. In your room, and then hopefully be in a place where security wants your ok to let the girl back out, in other words they want to make sure you are ok before they let her leave the building.

What time does the ladies start showing up at Lleras. My goal is to maximize time and see 3-4 per day starting as early as possible (realistically the 9 am-10 am timeframe). Will there be ladies in Lleras that time of day? If not, where would you recommend going (casas, clubs, etc.) that early in the day.

[QUOTE=Stl24;2896351]Thanks for the tips. One question I have. How much would my lack of speaking pretty much any Spanish impact your tips? I'm not expecting fluent English at all but do they speak enough to discuss prices / expectations?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Robotron;2896129] ...I've never visited, is that I have no idea who is and who is not a working girl. ...[/QUOTE]There are two areas here. If you walk west for 5 minutes, you will see Provenza, that is where you see normal girls. Find a video and observe the difference to see how working girls dress.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2896223]Yes, they all are.[/QUOTE]It is straightforward, if you really have doubt. They are working so you can ask them are you working? They will tell you yes or no.

[QUOTE=Robotron;2896129] ...Are you meaning to tell me that the majority of the women in this video are approachable for an appointment?[/QUOTE]

You could go to casas beginning about 10 am.

[QUOTE=Stl24;2896463]What time does the ladies start showing up at Lleras. My goal is to maximize time and see 3-4 per day starting as early as possible (realistically the 9 am-10 am timeframe). Will there be ladies in Lleras that time of day? If not, where would you recommend going (casas, clubs, etc.) that early in the day.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2896452]You can't screen a girl you pick up off the street whether near Lleras or anywhere else.[/QUOTE]I disagree with that. Chat her up. Is she strung out? Does she keep looking around (for her pimp, etc) or does she make eye contact? Look at her body and clothes. Does she take care of herself? Invite her for a drink. Sizing up hookers is just like sizing up anyone you intend to employ.

But yeah, then do all the other stuff Zeos talks about. I just think you can reduce risk somewhat via the interviewing process. That's worked for me so far.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2896464]There are two areas here. If you walk west for 5 minutes, you will see Provenza, t....[/QUOTE]It should be walk east.

[QUOTE=Stl24;2896463]What time does the ladies start showing up at Lleras. My goal is to maximize time and see 3-4 per day starting as early as possible (realistically the 9 am-10 am timeframe). Will there be ladies in Lleras that time of day? If not, where would you recommend going (casas, clubs, etc.) that early in the day.[/QUOTE]There will be slim picking during the day. At night, probably after 9 PM or 10 PM.

[QUOTE=Stl24;2896351]Thanks for the tips. One question I have. How much would my lack of speaking pretty much any Spanish impact your tips? I'm not expecting fluent English at all but do they speak enough to discuss prices / expectations?[/QUOTE]It shouldn't impact the how you pick up the girls. If you're talking to working girls (which most are, as others have also mentioned), you don't need to know any spanish. They will do the work on making the date the happen. So while it doesn't impact getting the date, the issue will be that you will be severely limited in negotiating and you can't really pre-validate how good the session might be, since you won't be able to butter her up. Just learn the words for the things you like (besos con lengua = french kissing) and ask them. It doesn't even have to be grammatically sound. Most likely you're convo is going to sound like this.

"Hola. Tu hermosa. Cuanto por cita. Besos con lengua?. ".

Keep it simple and understand that your negotiation is limited. You're not going to be able to charm her or give her any special reason to see her so accept it. If you really want to negotiate, learn some compliments and tell her you're a gentle guy or something, I guess.

There are a sizable portion of girls who know "decent" English, but you'll have to search and be willing to cut lose a hottie who doesn't know enough. I've found that some of the older women are more versed in english so if you're not trying to snatch up a 19 year old, you might have some better luck with the girls who are mid to late 20's or older.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2896430]Great tips! How are guys screening out potential trouble makers, ie. , those who will likely drug / rob you? I was under the impression from past several posts on Lleras that it's best not to pull from there.[/QUOTE]That's not really possible to do in advance. You need to take precautions on your side and not make yourself a target since criminals go after victims (people who have made themselves look ripe for ripping off). The biggest way to avoid this is by not being wasted or high. Avoid threesomes (sessions can also be pretty meh anyway, as others have mentioned) since it's harder to keep an eye on two gals.

I guess a few things that "could" be signs of a potential criminal are the following. The girl solicits you to buy or take drugs with her. She seems overly interested about inviting a friend to join. She insists on taking the lead of getting a cab or arranging transport if needed. She is giving out some insane discounts for service.

Overall, it's just important to remain in control of yourself. Even after the deed is done, you should probably avoid letting her wander your place without direct supervision. I've always found that no girl got mad at me for being wary. Most of them are just honest people trying to make some cash so they understand why you don't want them poking around your place or pushing drugs for you to snort. Some of the girls do have Tusi or weed that they don't mind sharing, but at least make sure they take a hit first and don't try to one up them by taking massive hits.

The Derillous has some excellent suggestions.

Let me add a few comments, based on what works for me. I will preface it by saying I am in my 7th decade, fit, and I try to present a good appearance. My Spanish is basic, but adequate to communicate. I don't have much game, but do have a little personality. I pull a girl from Lleras every night I am in Medellin, and have never had problems. I stay in a mid-priced hotel with a front desk that requires identification. I treat every girl with respect. And try to create a boyfriend / girlfriend experience. I pay about $40-$55. I always use a condom.

This is my routine:

1. I put away anything in my room that could easily be taken. Most money is kept in the safe.

2. I try to dress appropriately. Usually nice jeans and a collared shirt.

3. I only take about $100. And that is in COP.

4. I arrive at Lleras around 9:30 or 10:00 pm This is relatively early.

5. I wander through the park and Calle 10. I like to get a sense of the possibilities for the evening before making a decision. I make eye contact and smile at the girls I am interested in. I may even say Hello, (hola), tell them my name (soy <name ), and ask them their name (como te llamas?

6. I may spend 5 minutes or two hours looking. It all depends. But I like to get out of the park by 11:30 at the latest. I sense there is more potential for problems late at night.

7. I avoid girls who seem to know all the locals in the park, as I assume they are full time hookers. I also stay away from girls hanging out with Columbian guys (who I assume to be either boyfriends or pimps). I stay away from girls who are too heavily made up or too obviously hookers. I care less about what the girl looks like wearing provocative clothes, and more about how she looks au natural. I prefer the girl next door look.

7. When I have made my initial decision, I approach the girl. Always with a smile and a cheerful Spanish greeting. I try to engage in some small talk in basic Spanish. I try to sense the girl's friendliness and personality. (I am not interested in any drama or crude comments.) The discussion either confirms my decision or sends me on my way.

8. If the talk is positive, I ask if the girl would be willing to visit my casa. Then, assuming an eager "si", I suggest I would expect to give her a gift. Obviously, this gets into a quick negotiation of price. If it is early and I am enjoying the interaction, I may buy the girl a drink.

9. Then, it is back to my hotel. I always insist on taking a picture of the girl before she gets to my room, and I will not pay in advance.

This process has worked well for me.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2896475]I disagree with that. Chat her up. Is she strung out? Does she keep looking around (for her pimp, etc) or does she make eye contact? Look at her body and clothes. Does she take care of herself? Invite her for a drink. Sizing up hookers is just like sizing up anyone you intend to employ.

But yeah, then do all the other stuff Zeos talks about. I just think you can reduce risk somewhat via the interviewing process. That's worked for me so far.[/QUOTE]The ones that are not high, that are not strung out, that are not looking around. Those are the more dangerous. Likely a significant number of the girls in Lleras have the drugs in their purse. It is the ones that are making a business of it that will be the dangerous ones. They are not the ones on drugs, or with pimps, or looking rough. The opposite.

The small, and perhaps larger, groups of criminals have standing offers to virtually all of the girls. Here's the drug. If you have an opportunity use it, then call us, open the door, and we'll take care of the rest. Of course the opportunity is not always there. But the strung out ones won't be the ones you have to worry about, its the ones that may seem almost too good to be true.

Of course you need to avoid the ones that are obviously high or not taking care of themselves or looking around, or not making eye contact. All of those things. But the guys I have known that have been drugged it was the high end chicas that did it. The ones they never expected it from. The ones that did it on the 3rd or 4th date. Anyway.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2896563]The ones that are not high, that are not strung out, that are not looking around. Those are the more dangerous. Likely a significant number of the girls in Lleras have the drugs in their purse. It is the ones that are making a business of it that will be the dangerous ones. They are not the ones on drugs, or with pimps, or looking rough. The opposite.[/QUOTE]Are there any significant differences in terms of how dangerous they potentially are if they are the ones alone or in groups or pairs?

Had this girl come out for drinks last night, we're hanging out, bar hopping, then out of nowhere she says she wants $300 for hanging out with me, I tried to get her to leave, she refused, then followed me home and stayed until 4 am waiting for me to give her some money, gave her a little money to get rid of her but looks like they put a fraud block on the transfer. So now she's texting me from different numbers saying I need to send her the money or she's coming to my apartment.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2896550]That's not really possible to do in advance. You need to take precautions on your side and not make yourself a target since criminals go after victims (people who have made themselves look ripe for ripping off). The biggest way to avoid this is by not being wasted or high. Avoid threesomes (sessions can also be pretty meh anyway, as others have mentioned) since it's harder to keep an eye on two gals.[/QUOTE]When I first started mongering it was in Rio and all these tips and tricks were not needed. The only advice was to show up with money. I used to have a smile on my face all night sleeping sandwiched between two chicks. Now it seems like the juice isn't even worth the squeeze anymore (at least in Medellin). Something that used to be so easy has turned into rocket science and could blow up in your face (or even send you to the next life) at any moment. Pussy is not worth all that risk.