Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Pv118;2926331]I have been walking up and down Soi 6 every day back and forth and even though many girls asked for 2000, I was able to get 8 good looking girls agree to 1000 bhat 400 house (except repent which wanted 500). I think I would have had more success if I didn't look messy and wasn't an overweight guy. 7/8 of them BBFS without question and only the repent girl asking for some tip (I gave 300 bhat). So yes, 1000 bhat still doable, at least during low season.[/QUOTE]Low season is great.

Not so many idiots buying 40 drinks for the ladies, so they are willing to go to the room.

If you go to Thailand, go in early July.

[QUOTE=Pv118;2926331]I have been walking up and down Soi 6 every day back and forth and even though many girls asked for 2000, I was able to get 8 good looking girls agree to 1000 bhat 400 house (except repent which wanted 500). I think I would have had more success if I didn't look messy and wasn't an overweight guy. 7/8 of them BBFS without question and only the repent girl asking for some tip (I gave 300 bhat). So yes, 1000 bhat still doable, at least during low season.[/QUOTE]That's great for you. If I may ask, what hours of the day did you get these 1000 rate sessions with them?

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2926643]That's great for you. If I may ask, what hours of the day did you get these 1000 rate sessions with them?[/QUOTE]I haven't kept track, some during the afternoon and some during the night. I'm staying at Red Planet so it's like whenever I feel like I want to get off, I just step outside.

[QUOTE=Pv118;2926331]7/8 of them BBFS without question[/QUOTE]I have been saying this for years, but some other board member that starts with E and ends with S say it is all lies. Frankly I do not see what the big deal is that someone would need to lie about that.

In the Ethiopia thread now there is a guy that says he has never been able to get a BJ there while another guy says he has no problem. Then I say that I was getting them without even asking. Hell, the chicks were signaling it in the lineup to get me to choose them. As always YMMV and just because another person is able to do something that you can not, does not mean they are lying.

[QUOTE=ZeemZima;2926480]What's a good regular massage place (no happy ending needed)? I'd like a real massage but I feel like some places are too expensive.[/QUOTE]Health Land is the most popular one but I'm guessing this is one of the places that is too expensive. I tried a couples massage once with a gogo girl beside me. Won't return. For a more reasonable price there's Paanan massage beside LK Residence on Soi Diana.

[QUOTE=Pv118;2926331] I was able to get 8 good looking girls agree to 1000 bhat 400 house [/QUOTE]

Can you name the other bar(s) where you got 1000 baht girls?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2926691]Health Land is the most popular one but I'm guessing this is one of the places that is too expensive. I tried a couples massage once with a gogo girl beside me. Won't return. For a more reasonable price there's Paanan massage beside LK Residence on Soi Diana.


Can you name the other bar(s) where you got 1000 baht girls?[/QUOTE]Chili Bar, candy bar, secret garden, a few from lady in love, repent, your friend my bar. When I was here a few months ago I also someone from liquid, Ruby, and that club on the left of candy bar.

Pattaya Night Out: A Walking Street Adventure.

Last Saturday, I decided to venture down Walking Street.

9:00 PM The Adventure Begins.

I arrived at Walking Street around 9 PM, greeted by the neon lights and a symphony of music from various bars. My first stop was Windmill, a popular go-go bar with a raunchy atmosphere. As I settled in, a stunning lady named Nina approached me. She had an infectious smile and an easygoing personality, while at the same time, rubbing her titis and ass in my face LOL.

Nina and I hit it off, and I decided to buy her a lady drink. Each drink cost around 200 THB, and over the next hour, I bought her four drinks, totaling 800 THB. Nina was great company, and we messed around a lot with each other. At one point she had my dick out stroking it up and down.

As I observed the surroundings, I noticed a group of foreigners who seemed to be pinching pennies. They nursed their beers for hours and avoided buying lady drinks, clearly not making the most of their night out.

11:00 PM A Change of Scenery.

After 2 hours, I decided to explore more of Walking Street. I moved on to Seduction, where I met Mai, a charming and energetic dancer. Mai's enthusiasm was contagious, and soon I was buying her lady drinks as well. Over the course of the next hour, I bought Mai three drinks, each costing about 200 THB as well, totaling 600 THB. She had the nicest set of bolt ONS I have ever seen and let me fondle them as much as I wanted.

This bar also had its share of frugal foreigners, sitting in the corners and seemingly reluctant to spend any money. Their lack of interaction with the girls was palpable. Then there were the Korean and Japanese customers who were partying and laughing with the ladies, the drinks were flowing.

12:00 AM Dancing and More Drinks.

Feeling the vibe of Walking Street, I decided to visit XS. Here, I met Lila, a mesmerizing dancer with a captivating presence. Lila and I danced and laughed, and I bought her five lady drinks, each costing around 200 THB, amounting to 1000 THB. Her little spinner body was really too much for me to handle.

However, Yet again, I noticed a few tourists trying to enjoy the night on a shoestring budget. They chatted amongst themselves and ignored the dancers, which seemed to defeat the purpose of visiting XS. One of the security guards had to ask them to leave as they were not buying any drinks and other customers were waiting for a place to sit.

1:00 AM Decision Time.

By this time, I had met some wonderful ladies and enjoyed numerous drinks. However, it was getting late, and I wanted to spend more time with one of the ladies. After some contemplation, I decided to bar fine Lila. Her bar fine was 2,000 THB.

1:30 AM Negotiations and Agreement.

Lila and I discussed her fee for the night. We agreed on 8000 THB for LT with multiple pops of BBFS. We agreed to top off the night partying at republic. I bought us a bottle of Jack Daniels and coke and soda mixers. She danced so sexy for me twerking her ass up and down. I was in heaven and couldn't wait to get inside that pussy.

Now for the bedroom fun. As we got back to my place, she laid back on my sofa and gave me that come hither look I love so much. She was drunk and started rubbing her pussy through her black sexy thongs. I couldn't resist anymore and dove right in tongue first. I licked that pussy while she was moaning in pleasure. She started running her fingers through my hair and then switched to clutching my hands tightly as I played with her breasts while eating her out. I could't take it anymore and moved my way upwards to start in mish. She was amazing as she writhed around on my sofa. Then I flipped her over and pounded her in doggy. She kept saying she loves it. Then she said something that when a girl says this, I just can't hold on any longer. She said "cum inside me".

Who am I to disappoint this little lass? I blew my load deep inside while clinging to her hips. What a load.

Then we ended up in the shower where she cleaned me off with her mouth, scrubbed me from head to toe, before crashing out.

The next morning however was not so satisfying. It seems this girl loses her sexual charm when she is sober. Standard mish BBFSCIP pussy and send off by 1 PM.

Summary of the damage.

Nina's lady drinks: 800 THB.

Mai's lady drinks 600 THB.

Lila's lady drinks 1000 THB.

Bar fine for Lila 2000 THB.

Lila's fee 8,000 THB.

I would not repeat as XS has many more options to try. in the night 10/10. In the morning 6/10.

Total damage minus republic and my personal drinks: 12,400 THB.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2926725]After 2 hours, I decided to explore more of Walking Street. I moved on to Seduction,[/QUOTE]Where is "Seduction" on Walking Street? Is this a gogo bar? Did you mean Sensations?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2926760]Where is "Seduction" on Walking Street? Is this a gogo bar? Did you mean Sensations?[/QUOTE]You are correct. I always confuse the two names. Sensations on walking street and Seduction on Soi 6.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2924106]I have never had a Trojan Magnum Bareskin break. Plan b shit is 60 baht.[/QUOTE]It was one of those new ones Trojan Raw bareskin apparently 40% thinner yea I just gave her extra as a tip and plan be and maybe you had better luck with those but twice I used them there broke bottom times unfortunately.

I just got back few days ago been under the weather unfortunately but Phuket has a lot more choices on walking street but the mamasan really do not let you chill they always bother you for lady drinks for them is the thing I noticed in my opinion which I didn't have to deal with on Soi 6 or maybe I just lucky on Soi 6 whatever bar I went into on bangla road I'the get haggled by the mamasan for a drink before I even took a sip of my beer which was a turn off because soon as you get her a drink 5 other girls approach like your ATM and started hounding for drinks and I didn't really want to be rude to mamasan as all girls look up to her I even used "the maybe later line I'm just tryna talk to to this girl rn" she came back 5 minutes later and asked for a drink and said she said its later now. OMG fuck okay get a drink and leave me alone LOL (is what my thoughts were) soon as I bought her a drink a guy bartender comes up and starts asking for a drink too and 5 other chicks ( I jolly pointed around and said you want a drink you want a drink and laughed they got the hint ) I was out of there pretty fast after that. They even said you get a free tequila when buying a beer I declined the tequila but they kept pushing it on me (prob want me to get drunk and spend money at the bar) the girl I was sitting with I asked her is there a lot of lady boys on bangla road bars? She said yes I am one. Holy. That's my queue to dip out. Went to a different bar I was at the night before the mamasan there was very chill she even said if I buy any girls drinks I can just pay the normal drink prices ( 80 bhatt for me or a lady drink same price ) okay dope got everyone few rounds as it was like 3 cad dollar a beer on bangla road can beat it I think 13 beers and 500 bar fine came out to 60 $ for 3 hours of drinking now I didn't mind that as I was forced I did it out my willingness because they treated me right and took care of me and whenever I need change for the bathroom they would just give me there 10 bhatt coins too. When of the thinks I noticed is is she asked what I paid in Payatta I told her and she said Phuket is more expensive I said I know but thats what I paid. Fast forward to 3 hours later there was two bar girls next to me both liked me but only wanted one and she knew what one I liked but shed tease them okay you both play this game winner gets him ahaha lol all fun and laughs good times that why I didnt care to much about the 3$ beers for everyone and the end of the night me and the girl I liked started talking more about leaving as it was time to close I said Id pay 1500 bhatt she laughed at that but the mamasan stepped in and said no not you laugh at that price ur going for it she listened quickly and that was the end of that payed the bill and bar fine on credit card and off we went.. we ended up enjoying our night out drinking more at different clubs no action but I wasnt really in the mood to much either I just wanted a night out dancing and drinking so thats what I got she was pretty drunk let her sleep it off at my place for an hour and sent her on her way around 7am you could say I wasted the bar fine etc but I was happy which seems pretty weird I know but it was one of those days were I just wanted to party and hang with people as I didnt know anyone in Phuket ( secretly of course I wanted action thats why I took her out but she got little to drunk by 6am oh well I still had fun and she was way to drunk to do anything and I was little bummed out but the night out was worth it ( 20$ bar fine only paid 500 bhatt) she was a cutie oh well could have went back the next night but I was to hungover and not in the mood to go back out as I had a flight early next morning and got sick earlier that day

I have no problem buying lady drinks for mamas but damn let me atleast enjoy a beer first or a sip ahahaha.

I'm sure this is pretty common getting haggled what you guys say for them to stop asking especially when it's your first time in the bar and just want to relax for a beer.
I know this Payatta forms only reason posted here is because I liked Payatta more overall everything was cheaper easier to get around found nice people all around and feels like a lot more to explore in the city and bar wise next time think I’ll skip out on Phuket and stay in Payatta I missed it everyday when I was in Phuket Payatta a different animal

Before everyone gets pissed at me and says oh she hit the new guy scam on you she went to bed prob in the 6 hours we had 8 beers and few shots of tequila that will do it for pretty much for lots of people I can handle my liquor little better as I was on drinking bender last few months so I was just started to getting around 7/8 buzz range but she was gone she even was going up to the dancers on stage trying to give them money which I thought was funny as fuck but I called a bolt when we left late into the night she was passing out in the car and I stopped at 7/11 to get something's and as soon as we got out the bolt she started puking huge turn off that's when I decided no not going for it anymore I offered to call her a bolt home she really begged to let her sleep it off for an hour or so. I was tried but I knew she wasn't in the right condition to go home or get into a random dudes car like this so I said sure she slept on the couch I had few smokes on the balcony watching a YouTube video woke her up about maybe an hour later told her I'll call her a grab she was happy we walked outside and she hoppped on a random bike and off she rode. After the puking can't really blame me for not wanting it anymore ahaha my fault I shouldn't have got her that drunk she said she could handle her liquor and her being a bar girl I believed but I guess my tolerance is little to high.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy101;2924058]...... but condom broke and she got creampied fuck them trojan bareskin I heard lots of reviews of them breaking but other saying it felt great so I gave her 1650 to get some plan b shit that's my report.[/QUOTE]I've had Trojan Magnum Bareskin break a couple times under intense piston like action.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2926838]I've had Trojan Magnum Bareskin break a couple times under intense piston like action.[/QUOTE]Trojan supra break alot. The polyurethane ones. The polyisoproplyne or whatever they are break much less often. In Colombia they are the gold wrapper durex in us they are called skyn. Not sure if they are available in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2926947]Trojan supra break alot. The polyurethane ones. The polyisoproplyne or whatever they are break much less often. In Colombia they are the gold wrapper durex in us they are called skyn. Not sure if they are available in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Do Trojan have a polyurethane condom? Are you sure you are not confusing with Sagami? Yes, Sagami's polyurethanes have broken often of late. I don't know what happened. They used to be unbreakable. I think polyurethane is susceptible to a girl having a stubble around her pussy.

[QUOTE=XXL;2926989]Do Trojan have a polyurethane condom? Are you sure you are not confusing with Sagami? Yes, Sagami's polyurethanes have broken often of late. I don't know what happened. They used to be unbreakable. I think polyurethane is susceptible to a girl having a stubble around her pussy.[/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure they do. It's called Trojan Supra.

I just had the second best sexual experience since I arrived here in the Kingdom of Thailand.

In order of activity: DFK, BBBJ, doggie, Missionary, doggy, Prone Bone, Cowgirl (froggy style), reverse Cowgirl, Missionary, BBBJCIM for an orgasmic finsh that had me convulsing and screaming like a *****. It was a ending worthy of fireworks! My July 4th celebration came early.

[B]I have absolute zero complaints about visiting Thailand[/B]

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[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2927057]I just had the second best sexual experience since I arrived here in the Kingdom of Thailand.

In order of activity: DFK, BBBJ, doggie, Missionary, doggy, Prone Bone, Cowgirl (froggy style), reverse Cowgirl, Missionary, BBBJCIM for an orgasmic finsh that had me convulsing and screaming like a *****. It was a ending worthy of fireworks! My July 4th celebration came early.

[B]I have absolute zero complaints about visiting Thailand[/B][/QUOTE]You're a regular Rico Strong.

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[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2927057]I just had the second best sexual experience since I arrived here in the Kingdom of Thailand.

In order of activity: DFK, BBBJ, doggie, Missionary, doggy, Prone Bone, Cowgirl (froggy style), reverse Cowgirl, Missionary, BBBJCIM for an orgasmic finsh that had me convulsing and screaming like a *****. It was a ending worthy of fireworks! My July 4th celebration came early.

[B]I have absolute zero complaints about visiting Thailand[/B][/QUOTE]Wow, I'm curious to hear about your best sexual experience!

What was is like and with who? Details!

[QUOTE=MassageLover81;2927196]Wow, I'm curious to hear about your best sexual experience!

What was is like and with who? Details![/QUOTE]I bet you want all the details you sick FK haha.

Hey buddies,

Was in Pattaya last week for four nights. As usual Gents club crawling, TF girls and bargirls were my target. This report is mainly for those who are using ED pills. I use Tadalafil 20 MG to start with and 10 mg on other days. It gave me awesome result on my performance and hassle free. I have good control in my ejaculation. This time I tried TD Pill (Combination of Tadalafil 10 MG and Dapoxetine 30 MG). Dapoxetine will delay ejaculation. I added 10 MG Tadalafil along with it. Friends what happened to me was, I had good erection throughout but failed in ejaculation. So those who having a premature ejaculation, it can be used as a wonderful combination. Otherwise you will end up with a failed mission.

Enjoy mongering.

[QUOTE=MassageLover81;2927196]Wow, I'm curious to hear about your best sexual experience!

What was is like and with who? Details![/QUOTE]My very best sexual experience was with a girl I met here in Pattaya. We shared insane chemistry. Yes, gentlemen (excluding a few of you mother fuckers) it was mutual thing between us.

I was looking for a vacation girl friend. I told her that I wanted to get to know her and that if at the end of the 1 hour interview we did not hit it off that I would give her short time fee and she could be on her way so no risk. There was also not risk for me because I was not doing the interview in a bar so no lady drinks or bottles needed. Although I had the bottles on hand in case there was going to be a little sippin going on.

I met her in the lobby of my building (my favorite one of all time) after her work on a Friday afternoon. I soon as I saw her I knew this was the girl for me. We greeted each other and headed up to my room. Sat on the couch and had a lovely conversation. Time flew by. 1 hour later I told her a deal is a deal. Toldnher to wait a moment while I got her money. She asked: "don't you want to have sex with me?" I told her: "Yes, I do". It was on. Animal like sex with me doing things to her I don't usually do to girls that are not special to me. She enjoyed me. I enjoyed her. Three hours later I had to call it to meet my friends. But I could have stayed with her overnight. I simply don't to that. Gentlemen I was sprung on the kat!

I told her I wanted to see her again on Saturday afternoon. But that she needed to get her nails done. I gave her extra money for that. She asked what color I wanted and I told her fingers and toes red. She left and immediately went to the salon. She sent me pictures of her mani / pedi in progress. Along with a nice picture when everything was finished. Told me she would see me tomorrow at the designated time.

I don't know everything about the girls of Thailand. But I do know it pays to be generous. I still see her to this day. She still gives me the best sex of any of the girls I see to this day. She is my All Time Favorite (ATF).

Not getting into anymore detail than that my brother. Because ATF has [B]The Cmdr[/B] sprung on the kat. Done caught feelings for this one. You can find us posted up at the [B]Bus Bar[/B] when we go out together. The Bus Bar is my spot. Then we bounce from there. Like we did on this night.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2925485]The last time I hit my favorite club: [B]808[/B] it was a crazy bottle service night where my ATF called in her girl crew for backup for the night and they came running. We all be on the Hip Hop music and we that that table to the right of the of the DJ booth as you enter the club. Gives you a great view of the DJ Booth, stage and overlooks the club. Yes, sometimes this old man be ballin, like a mother fucking pro![/QUOTE]You know I have friends that have never stepped foot in 808. All they do is agogos. Sometime ATF takes me to a Thai Clubs. Her girl crew rolls with us then also. They are high quality independent girls that do not need know it all farangs to buy them 40 drinks. Check out the story because it is like that every time we go out. No, they are not trying to stick it to the rich farang (I'm not rich, I'm poor). I pick up the majority of the costs. I am happy to do so. Things just don't do much for me at this point in my life. It is all about experiences.

Going to a [B]Thai Club[/B] is a fraction of the cost of going to a club on Walking Street. Let me give you a comparison. I can fund a night out in Thai club for the cost of one bottle in [B]808[/B]. Yes you read that right.

You can bring your own bottles or you can buy them at the club along with the set ups and food. It's an insane time. Just as much fun as anything on Walking Street, just a different style and at the fraction of the cost. The people are more down to earth, no mother fucking punk ass idiot farangs of a certain type be up in the Thai Clubs ATF be taking me too. We be toasting, shots, sharing drinks with other tables and having so much fun. Hurts so bad the next day, it makes me swear off ever doing it again. Until the next time!

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2927120][I]
I said it's on by the way, I'm in the zone by the way.
And you can call me Mr. [b]SubCmdr[/b] by the way
I did it by the way, I was with it by the way.
I talk it like I did it 'cause I lived it by the way[/I] - [B]Young Jeezy[/B].[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2927337]Dude if they are too mechanical that's your fault. I don't know what you kids today consider GFE but when I was 30,40 years ago, I had more than one real girlfriend without handing cash over and thus got plenty of GFE, whatever that is or was. Hell I even got married a few times.

As to "GFE" at Thermae, [b]I can only say that as to me, if I want them to piss, wallow, pee and fart while screaming I love you, they do it[/b]. Hell l get GFE at Nana.[/QUOTE][B]Go on with your bad self my brother[/B]!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2927094]You're a regular Rico Strong.[/QUOTE]Yeah, what that guy said! [B]LOL[/B]!

Where can I go to rent a yatch? I was told go to the docks but I didn't have luck there. I need a boat that holds at least 15 people.

Any help guys?

[QUOTE=ZeemZima;2927580]Where can I go to rent a yatch? I was told go to the docks but I didn't have luck there. I need a boat that holds at least 15 people.

Any help guys?[/QUOTE][URL]https://pattayaboathire.com/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2927335]Hey buddies,

Was in Pattaya last week for four nights. As usual Gents club crawling, TF girls and bargirls were my target. This report is mainly for those who are using ED pills. I use Tadalafil 20 MG to start with and 10 mg on other days. It gave me awesome result on my performance and hassle free. I have good control in my ejaculation. This time I tried TD Pill (Combination of Tadalafil 10 MG and Dapoxetine 30 MG). Dapoxetine will delay ejaculation. I added 10 MG Tadalafil along with it. Friends what happened to me was, I had good erection throughout but failed in ejaculation. So those who having a premature ejaculation, it can be used as a wonderful combination. Otherwise you will end up with a failed mission.

Enjoy mongering.[/QUOTE]What pharmacy in Pattaya did you buy it from and how much did it cost?

Update on me.

I got denied entry based on my 2023 record. I did stay a lot.

But come on it was 2023.

2024 I'm limiting myself to under 180 days but immigration lady said she don't give a Fkkk. Get out now.

And you wonder why Thailand isn't making Coin like it used to.

Latest I hear is buy alcohol between 2-5 pm will be allowed.

Is that going to make 1 person say that's why I wasn't going to Thailand.

It's getting Absurd.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2927716]Update on me.

I got denied entry based on my 2023 record. I did stay a lot.

But come on it was 2023.

2024 I'm limiting myself to under 180 days but immigration lady said she don't give a Fkkk. Get out now.[/QUOTE]You're technically banned from Thailand for 5+ years if you overstayed too long. I don't mean a week or 2 overstay. 2025 and 2026 will be tough to get in for you. Next time you get pulled aside though make sure the IO sees your 200,000 baht you are carrying with you. Show them you are rich and not a backpacker. That may sway his / her decision on letting you in.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2927746]You're technically banned from Thailand for 5+ years if you overstayed too long. I don't mean a week or 2 overstay. 2025 and 2026 will be tough to get in for you. Next time you get pulled aside though make sure the IO sees your 200,000 baht you are carrying with you. Show them you are rich and not a backpacker. That may sway his / her decision on letting you in.[/QUOTE]I was not overstay.

Denied entry is Different. You can't overstay if they not let you in in the 1st place.

One nice guy said if I called a number I can get in Next day. After searching internet I have no doubt he was Legitimate.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2927716]Update on me.

I got denied entry based on my 2023 record. I did stay a lot.

But come on it was 2023.

2024 I'm limiting myself to under 180 days but immigration lady said she don't give a Fkkk. Get out now.[/QUOTE]Did you try to enter using a visa or with the visa exemption sheme?

I've read that we can enter the country using the visa exemption sheme only twice per calendar year.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2927696]What pharmacy in Pattaya did you buy it from and how much did it cost?[/QUOTE]I usually get it from my home country. I mentioned the generic name to get the drug.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2927777]Did you try to enter using a visa or with the visa exemption sheme?

I've read that we can enter the country using the visa exemption sheme only twice per calendar year.[/QUOTE]If one is in the immigration "entry deny list" there is no way to circumnavigate the entry denial.

Applying for visa via the Thai embassy in residence or home country will be rejected.

Same as "visa exemption scheme" at the Thai border.

If an individual and his passport (s) are in the list the system will alert the IO.

It's even worst being denied on arrival as the individual will be sent back to his origin point with the first available flights.

And all expenses on him / her.

Being denied visa by the embassy, at least, will save the traveling costs.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2927777]Did you try to enter using a visa or with the visa exemption sheme?

I've read that we can enter the country using the visa exemption sheme only twice per calendar year.[/QUOTE]Here in lies the problem. There is a note immigration will show you if you are led for further investigation. They can do whatever they want. They have Full Discretionary Control.

Is you read ASEAN now you will see different offices have different rules.

If you are 2 week Sexpest no worries.

If you stayed last year 11 out of 12 months on 60 day tourist visas and 30 day exempt s you might have problem.

Anyways one guy told me September should be fine. As it will be three months between departure and entry.

What they don't want is you depart and come back 2-3 weeks later. Educated Guess.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2927716]Update on me.

I got denied entry based on my 2023 record. I did stay a lot.

But come on it was 2023.

2024 I'm limiting myself to under 180 days but immigration lady said she don't give a Fkkk. Get out now.

And you wonder why Thailand isn't making Coin like it used to.

Latest I hear is buy alcohol between 2-5 pm will be allowed.

Is that going to make 1 person say that's why I wasn't going to Thailand.

It's getting Absurd.[/QUOTE]What was it about your 2023 record that caused them to deny entry? Do they think you overstayed but you think you did not overstay?

In recent years Thailand has been trying to attract the big spending tourists. If you look and act like a backpacker, the immigration officer isn't likely to give you a break.

Free girls?

Any one know Zondo41 kick streamer.

He has a Kung that hangs with him a lot. No way in San Jise does he have the money to pay her. Is it possible she just enjoys his company?

Typical mid older Girl. Not Hot nor Ugly. Has kids.

I'm thinking how is she not Hustling.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2927421]My very best sexual experience was with a girl I met here in Pattaya. We shared insane chemistry. Yes, gentlemen (excluding a few of you mother fuckers) it was mutual thing between us.

I was looking for a vacation girl friend. I told her that I wanted to get to know her and that if at the end of the 1 hour interview we did not hit it off that I would give her short time fee and she could be on her way so no risk. There was also not risk for me because I was not doing the interview in a bar so no lady drinks or bottles needed. Although I had the bottles on hand in case there was going to be a little sippin going on.

I met her in the lobby of my building (my favorite one of all time) after her work on a Friday afternoon. I soon as I saw her I knew this was the girl for me. We greeted each other and headed up to my room. Sat on the couch and had a lovely conversation. Time flew by. 1 hour later I told her a deal is a deal. Toldnher to wait a moment while I got her money. She asked: "don't you want to have sex with me?" I told her: "Yes, I do". It was on. Animal like sex with me doing things to her I don't usually do to girls that are not special to me. She enjoyed me. I enjoyed her. Three hours later I had to call it to meet my friends. But I could have stayed with her overnight. I simply don't to that. Gentlemen I was sprung on the kat!

I told her I wanted to see her again on Saturday afternoon. But that she needed to get her nails done. I gave her extra money for that. She asked what color I wanted and I told her fingers and toes red. She left and immediately went to the salon. She sent me pictures of her mani / pedi in progress. Along with a nice picture when everything was finished. Told me she would see me tomorrow at the designated time.

I don't know everything about the girls of Thailand. But I do know it pays to be generous. I still see her to this day. She still gives me the best sex of any of the girls I see to this day. She is my All Time Favorite (ATF).

Not getting into anymore detail than that my brother. Because ATF has [B]The Cmdr[/B] sprung on the kat. Done caught feelings for this one. You can find us posted up at the [B]Bus Bar[/B] when we go out together. The Bus Bar is my spot. Then we bounce from there. Like we did on this night.

[/QUOTE]Wow great post! You said you were not doing an interview in a bar. How did you meet her? From online dating? Or which website?

You mentioned you would give her a short time fee if it didn't work out. So is she a sex worker? Or is she just a regular girl?

How long have you met her and how often do you see her?

I'm curious if people get bored even with ATF's after years.

[QUOTE=MassageLover81;2928082]How long have you met her and how often do you see her? I'm curious if people get bored even with ATF's after years.[/QUOTE]You have been curious about more than a lot. It may be time to leave the house and get your own life experiences. (whatever an ATF is).

Please guys can someone confirm that the Adelphi hotel is currently guests friendly. In 2023 that was the case, but I asked the hotel team and they don't respond. I like the hotel but if they changed the policy I will cancel the reservation and move to another one that confirms me.

Thanks a lot.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2927765]I was not overstay.

Denied entry is Different. You can't overstay if they not let you in in the 1st place.[/QUOTE]Then why were you denied entry? You mentioned that you were there a lot in 2023. What type of Visa are you coming in with? If more than 180 days without something like an OA Visa or too many quick 30 day free entries then you will not get in. I don't know the proper terminology but I call these overstays. Good luck in September. Depending on why they said you were denied entry you may or may not get in.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2927716]Update on me.

I got denied entry based on my 2023 record. I did stay a lot.

But come on it was 2023.[/QUOTE]I would try to talk to a lawyer that specializes in this. Perhaps they flagged you for doing too many visa runs.

Simple guys. They just don't want you in Thailand on tourist visas and 30 day exempts.

Get proper Visa they say.

The problem is they don't tell you how much is too much. Immigration officer Discretion.

Breaking FatnBroke just got detained by Thai immigration. He is streaming from Holding Area. No way he stayed Thailand too much so have no idea what they got him for.

His Chat is having a ball. Content content content.

Fatnbroke got detained by Pooket Immigration.

He was in line making a phone call. Immigration said NO CAN. Fat might have used the F bomb and the rest is history.

Out tomorrow on 11 am flight. 17 hours.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2928300]Simple guys. They just don't want you in Thailand on tourist visas and 30 day exempts.

Get proper Visa they say.

The problem is they don't tell you how much is too much. Immigration officer Discretion.

Breaking FatnBroke just got detained by Thai immigration. He is streaming from Holding Area. No way he stayed Thailand too much so have no idea what they got him for.

His Chat is having a ball. Content content content.[/QUOTE]Your posts give zero information for us to learn from your experience. Why not get a proper visa? We all know that there are different rules for different nationalities. Your story makes me think that in 2023 you did something wrong, got caught, were allowed to go home. Now in 2024 you are trying to get back into Thailand and the immigration officer is saying that Thailand doesn't want you because of your past (or current) actions. Now you are saying that Thailand is being unreasonable because the Gregorian calendar has flipped to a new year, which isn't even the year used by the Thai people.

Many of us have traveled many times using just our passports and sometimes visas. I've personally used passport alone, paste in visas, and E-Visas. Some of my close friends have used extensions, but none of us has ever had a problem. I'm sure you did something specific that violates Thai rules, you just don't want to say what it is. You prefer to just complain about your situation. Sorry you traveled far to be rejected, but it's difficult to have sympathy when you don't tell us the whole story, including what immigration claims to be the problem. How did you get admitted in 2023? Why no proper visa in 2024? What’s different?

For those of us who have not yet pissed off Thai immigration, you can easily determine your required documents and eligibility to travel using the Thai E-Visa website.

https://www.thaievisa.go.th/

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2927716]I got denied entry based on my 2023 record.[/QUOTE]After all these years of being in the basement watching youtube videos of Soi 6, someone finally decides to go to Thailand and can't get in. The truth is stranger than fiction.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2928392]Your posts give zero information for us to learn from your experience. Why not get a proper visa? We all know that there are different rules for different nationalities. Your story makes me think that in 2023 you did something wrong, got caught, were allowed to go home. Now in 2024 you are trying to get back into Thailand and the immigration officer is saying that Thailand doesn't want you because of your past (or current) actions. Now you are saying that Thailand is being unreasonable because the Gregorian calendar has flipped to a new year, which isn't even the year used by the Thai people.

Many of us have traveled many times using just our passports and sometimes visas. I've personally used passport alone, paste in visas, and E-Visas. Some of my close friends have used extensions, but none of us has ever had a problem. I'm sure you did something specific that violates Thai rules, you just don't want to say what it is. You prefer to just complain about your situation. Sorry you traveled far to be rejected, but it's difficult to have sympathy when you don't tell us the whole story, including what immigration claims to be the problem. How did you get admitted in 2023? Why no proper visa in 2024? Whats different?

For those of us who have not yet pissed off Thai immigration, you can easily determine your required documents and eligibility to travel using the Thai E-Visa website.

https://www.thaievisa.go.th/[/QUOTE]For a number of years I entered the country many times during a year. From same day in and out to a couple of weeks. I used BKK as my asian hub. One year I recorded 19 entry stamps and never ever had a single question.

Being refused entry means something is in the immigration records. As simple as that.

As Fatnbroke was summarize what happened.

One thing that stood out.

He was told he could come back next day no problem (special vissa. Hahaha). He didn't believe it and Smirked about it.

I believe it to be true as I done research. My question is if you are in Timbuktu and want the Special Visa how do you pay for it?

Apple pay, Google, PayPal? I assume Visa and Mastercard are out.

[QUOTE=ForroMambo;2928148]Please guys can someone confirm that the Adelphi hotel is currently guests friendly. In 2023 that was the case, but I asked the hotel team and they don't respond. I like the hotel but if they changed the policy I will cancel the reservation and move to another one that confirms me.

Thanks a lot.[/QUOTE]Every Hotel near Nana in Bangkok is guest friendly.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2928413]For a number of years I entered the country many times during a year. From same day in and out to a couple of weeks. I used BKK as my asian hub. One year I recorded 19 entry stamps and never ever had a single question.

Being refused entry means something is in the immigration records. As simple as that.[/QUOTE]I have six Century stamps this year no problem.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2928482]Every Hotel near Nana in Bangkok is guest friendly.[/QUOTE]Agree but pretty sure he was asking about the Adelphi on 3rd Road in Pattaya given this is the Pattaya forum.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2928669]Agree but pretty sure he was asking about the Adelphi on 3rd Road in Pattaya given this is the Pattaya forum.[/QUOTE]Correct, the hotel is off Soi 21, between 3rd road and Soi Baukhao, it is also across the Soi from PP Massage, it is guess friendly.

[QUOTE=ForroMambo;2928148]Please guys can someone confirm that the Adelphi hotel is currently guests friendly. In 2023 that was the case, but I asked the hotel team and they don't respond. I like the hotel but if they changed the policy I will cancel the reservation and move to another one that confirms me.

Thanks a lot.[/QUOTE]If only there were a topic here called "Pattaya Hotels". Then, you could RTFF and not ask questions that have been answered many times.

I scheduled a silicon enhanced MILF tonight, and afterwards, she asked me to send her 200 baht so she could eat.

The reality is that she plays slots on her telephone but pays directly from her bank account. Likely her customer last night paid cash, so her bank account was empty. She will play slots until the 200 baht is gone, and then ping some other Farang for 200 baht so she has money for food.

You wouldn't believe all the ladies who are slot addicts.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2928484]I have six Century stamps this year no problem.[/QUOTE]2024.6 entry stamps.

Are you using all 30 the at ys?

Gambling is as addictive as any drug, and its depressing to see an addict. I had a lovely slim young lass from Nana just days prior to Covid. Took LT. Very accomodating, maybe a bit simple, but she was addicted to online gambling, watched her while we were snuggled up in bed. Tried to explain to her some life advice, and she listened politely, but could tell it wasnt registering. I fear she topped herself later during Covid in 2020. A dispairing facebook post and nothing since.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2928692]I scheduled a silicon enhanced MILF tonight, and afterwards, she asked me to send her 200 baht so she could eat.
The reality is that she plays slots on her telephone but pays directly from her bank account. Likely her customer last night paid cash, so her bank account was empty. She will play slots until the 200 baht is gone, and then ping some other Farang for 200 baht so she has money for food.

You wouldn't believe all the ladies who are slot addicts.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NuttinSerious;2928896]Gambling is as addictive as any drug, and its depressing to see an addict. I had a lovely slim young lass from Nana just days prior to Covid. Took LT. Very accomodating, maybe a bit simple, but she was addicted to online gambling, watched her while we were snuggled up in bed. Tried to explain to her some life advice, and she listened politely, but could tell it wasnt registering. I fear she topped herself later during Covid in 2020. A dispairing facebook post and nothing since.[/QUOTE]The MILF didn't show last night, I think she just pinged me in the morning because she needed 200 baht in her bank account to play online.

Anyway, I blocked her, so that's that.

Actually, I think she has a Farang live in boyfriend, so she can't go with customers, requiring her to beg for cash online.

Thai Friendly just keeps delivering good pussy right to my door. 24/07/365. I am often surprised by what you can get off of Thai Friendly. Got a response from a young girl 26. I did not find her particular attractive. Figuring this was low season I low balled her for 500 THB / ST. She took it. [B]Like Whoa[/B]!

[I]They say I'm bipolar so indecisive; So muthafuckin' what I know some bitches who like it[/I] - By The Way, [B]Young Jezzy[/B].

[QUOTE=NuttinSerious;2928896]Gambling is as addictive as any drug, and its depressing to see an addict. I had a lovely slim young lass from Nana just days prior to Covid. Took LT. Very accomodating, maybe a bit simple, but she was addicted to online gambling, watched her while we were snuggled up in bed. Tried to explain to her some life advice, and she listened politely, but could tell it wasnt registering. I fear she topped herself later during Covid in 2020. A dispairing facebook post and nothing since.[/QUOTE]The Key to all this whole game is can you handle your shit?

Only Gamble what you can afford to lose. I got some boys who work finance in Wallstreet. I've seen one of them go on 30 k USD swings at the blackjack table. He earns that much he can afford those swings. He is addicted to gambling, but he can afford his vice and won't gamble away more than he can afford to lose. This is what you need to teach any young friend who gets mixed up in gambling. Sadly, if someone is a true gambler, they are like any other addict and you can't talk them out of it. I also had another friend who would gamble his last dollar away until he was couch surfing and doing whatever odd jobs he could find to make ends meet. Finally hit rock bottom and was in a bad spot until he met a girl who cleaned him up, after that got a decent job as a driver for some trucking company. You got to be able to handle your shit. Same with alcohol, women, drugs, etc. Got to know your limit and don't lose control, especially in public.

Personally, Gambling has been an extremely enjoyable part of my life. Those moments at the poker table or betting the UFC fights are the thrills that make life worth living.

Just gotten back and recovering from 7 days in pattaya.

Alot changed over the last year since my last visits. Just a few of my observations.

Indians are taking over I think! Even bloody working girls on WS and BR know more indian lingo than I do (I'm of indian descent but linguistically elementary at best). How do thai working girls speak more indian than a guy of indian descent?? The number of indian restaurants have gone through the roof, the owners of shops in the markets alot more indian.

Plenty of Chinese as well. The breakfast lobby where I was staying (somerset pattaya) could have been a wake up in China dream. Easy 95% chinese! And damn some chinese chicks are hott! Tried to pull one and failed miserably.

LK empress is now a dump. Spent a night there. Smells like a sewer. Got a new room next day. Still same. They offered to move me to LK Metropole. Didn't like location. Left after a night with a huge complaint to [URL]bookig.com[/URL] (in their defense they have renovations going on, the whole area on beach front now a new bar outsourced. But they should have highlighted that info pre-booking so waiting on booking to refund that part). But theres no excuse for rooms that smell like a sewer and are just damp and yukh. Huge drop in standard from when I stayed there last.

The rain was not fun. Terrible humidity I couldn't handle it. But rain did hand me a great chick. Report on chicks to follow.

Plenty of options on chicks. From TF (most used) , other pick ups on beach road, walking street, Tiger bar, Central festival. Was an open buffet where you keep eating despite being full. 7 days and 6 nights of punting, 18 gals in total. Only 1 deserved to be kicked out and got kicked. Overall great score for a holiday! Too tired to fuck. But you do it anyway to meet your daily quota!

Pricewise alot of debate on this recently. I paid from 1000 and max I paid was 1800 and would say average of 1500. Alot of BB sex available (though I prefer to condom it for my own safety) but did test those waters. ID say 60-75% of girls come over without rubber. And have no further hesitancy when you tell them you got none either! Until you remember you have one LOL. Those loving BB. Go for it. I see the stupidity in it and won't indulge out of choice.

Shopping great as always. The exchange rate better than from last visit by a small amount. So works better, though I think some simple thinks like water and foot all have gone up a bit. Can't recall exact prices from last visit, but I think some inflation evident for sure. Though its still relatively cheap and one not need to think about costs on food drinks transport.

Pattaya is still an amazingly cheap destination with great pussy options everywhere. Chose your type, pay your price. Open market dynamics.

Did notice there is a? New or maybe I found it now, huge parking lot of golden beach hotel. Seems to be full of Indians (there is an amazing restaurant next to it where you can still and observe all this) and from around 10 pm theres like 20 odd chicks who line up there to be picked up. Talent wise I won't rate them much, but clearly they targeting a market as chubby big boobed options to those. And I've never understood how 4 indian guys chat up and go with 1 girl! Is it like a rate they fix. ST 1 hour. Split it in a 4 guy train?? Very curious!

More reports to follow. Just a thanks to all the contributors over the last few months that gave new and updated info. Keep up your good contributions!

Update on girls.

Day 1. Arrived by lunch in pattaya, minimal waiting time to check in promptly at 2 pm (why can't they give us the damn room early). Had already line up one of TF and had her all ready for a 3 pm ST shag. Went well.

Went for a massage. Came and napped in a clearly smelly room. Dinner on the beach road (kamikaze. Great food) and got this cuteish very friendly type for 1000 for massage and sex. By 9 pm were in room. Massage was actually very decent but was all tits up after that. Only mish. Can't kiss. Can't finger her. Can't play with her boobs. After 3 min of mish, threw her out the room.

Had a few beers and a bite outside central on the food court. Managed to pick up this very naughty 21 year old fair skin and tatoos and decent ass (claims is from issan). Settled for 1500 and went down road to hotel (big plus on LK location). Wild wild amazing sex. Crazy woman. Handle her anyway you want. Claims is a freelancer and does it only for good sex! As if. We know its the money! But yeah loves good dicking. Agreed to meet up again next day.

Day 2: had some work and hotel shifting to do and thankfully got new room without delay, but in between found another one off TF. Search age 20-25 only. 1200 and agreed to meet at lunch 1 pm. A delayed arrival again to the court outside central festival (I figured best place to meet them as you can still bail out in case of bait and switch) rather than meet in hotel. A little chubbier but cute! Decent bang from her.

Evening was with the 21 year old, told her ill get her dinner so by 8 pm dinner was done (love the food options in festival food court) a few drinks in. And bang bang for a wildest session again. She offered her friend as well, but not for a 3 sum. Decent offer. Kept her for a stand by. By 1030 she was gone. Went for a massage and walk. Again ended up onto ws where these 2 caught my eye on the street. A forceful doner (not bad taste hey) stalking them and ended up in the 7-11 with them. Literally just asked her "want to make freelance" . Giggles, laughs and some google translate happening with "hesitant" money talk and took the one I didn't want as badly for 1200. Other one might have plans or another client but clearly "not doing for money" liars! Short bike ride to hotel and a decent shag!(tired but didn't have to but did her anyway) Got her out. Badly needed sleep thinking did I really need that 3rd one! But again you tell yourself you got limited time and must fuck as much as you can! Whys top at 3 beers when you can have 5 right!

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2928927]Thai Friendly just keeps delivering good pussy right to my door. 24/07/365. I am often surprised by what you can get off of Thai Friendly. Got a response from a young girl 26. I did not find her particular attractive. Figuring this was low season I low balled her for 500 THB / ST. She took it. [B]Like Whoa[/B]!

[I]They say I'm bipolar so indecisive; So muthafuckin' what I know some bitches who like it[/I] - By The Way, [B]Young Jezzy[/B].[/QUOTE]$14 for ST is wild. You can't even get a meal for that much in the states anymore.

Thanks for the reports! I will be in Pattaya next month with my best friend. Going to be one heck of a time for us!!

[QUOTE=NemanLion;2929111]Just gotten back and recovering from 7 days in pattaya.

Alot changed over the last year since my last visits. Just a few of my observations.

Indians are taking over I think! Even bloody working girls on WS and BR know more indian lingo than I do (I'm of indian descent but linguistically elementary at best). How do thai working girls speak more indian than a guy of indian descent?? The number of indian restaurants have gone through the roof, the owners of shops in the markets alot more indian.

Plenty of Chinese as well. The breakfast lobby where I was staying (somerset pattaya) could have been a wake up in China dream. Easy 95% chinese! And damn some chinese chicks are hott! Tried to pull one and failed miserably.

LK empress is now a dump. Spent a night there. Smells like a sewer. Got a new room next day. Still same. They offered to move me to LK Metropole. Didn't like location. Left after a night with a huge complaint to [URL]bookig.com[/URL] (in their defense they have renovations going on, the whole area on beach front now a new bar outsourced. But they should have highlighted that info pre-booking so waiting on booking to refund that part). But theres no excuse for rooms that smell like a sewer and are just damp and yukh. Huge drop in standard from when I stayed there last.

The rain was not fun. Terrible humidity I couldn't handle it. But rain did hand me a great chick. Report on chicks to follow.

Plenty of options on chicks. From TF (most used) , other pick ups on beach road, walking street, Tiger bar, Central festival. Was an open buffet where you keep eating despite being full. 7 days and 6 nights of punting, 18 gals in total. Only 1 deserved to be kicked out and got kicked. Overall great score for a holiday! Too tired to fuck. But you do it anyway to meet your daily quota!

Pricewise alot of debate on this recently. I paid from 1000 and max I paid was 1800 and would say average of 1500. Alot of BB sex available (though I prefer to condom it for my own safety) but did test those waters. ID say 60-75% of girls come over without rubber. And have no further hesitancy when you tell them you got none either! Until you remember you have one LOL. Those loving BB. Go for it. I see the stupidity in it and won't indulge out of choice.

Shopping great as always. The exchange rate better than from last visit by a small amount. So works better, though I think some simple thinks like water and foot all have gone up a bit. Can't recall exact prices from last visit, but I think some inflation evident for sure. Though its still relatively cheap and one not need to think about costs on food drinks transport.

Pattaya is still an amazingly cheap destination with great pussy options everywhere. Chose your type, pay your price. Open market dynamics.

Did notice there is a? New or maybe I found it now, huge parking lot of golden beach hotel. Seems to be full of Indians (there is an amazing restaurant next to it where you can still and observe all this) and from around 10 pm theres like 20 odd chicks who line up there to be picked up. Talent wise I won't rate them much, but clearly they targeting a market as chubby big boobed options to those. And I've never understood how 4 indian guys chat up and go with 1 girl! Is it like a rate they fix. ST 1 hour. Split it in a 4 guy train?? Very curious!

More reports to follow. Just a thanks to all the contributors over the last few months that gave new and updated info. Keep up your good contributions![/QUOTE]

Boots on the ground right now. Second time in Pattaya.

Last time, I was only here for 3 days and stuck to the Gents clubs and Soi 6 scene.

This time my friend, let's call him Paul, is with me.

Thought would check out the WS scene this time.

Went to Pinup, and got denied entry saying "members only - 5000 THB membership fee".

Thing is, my friend Paul is Indian and wasn't particularly well dressed this evening.

And I know Pin Up's target clientele is Japanese / Korean.

So just trying to figure out from the veterans, is Pinup now members only as they claim.

Or.

We were denied entry because we are not their target clientele / racist / they don't like us?

Wondering whether I should consider visiting Pin up in the future with a girl or just drop it from my list. Thanks!

Day 3: had decided only 2 gals today. Afternoon and evening!

Afternoon set up with that 21 year old from first day. Very eager. Very quick to meet! I know my dick aint the bomb. So clearly the money attractions!

Had another great session wiht her. Better than first time around I reckon. She's still keen to meet LT. Said will plan. Got her friends details and not planning on seeing this one. 3 sessions with same gal is enough!

Went for a good massage and dinner. At kamikaze on beach road (good food and service BTW) .

And then the pattaya heavens has opened up and I've got a long walk back to the hotel. Amazing how suddenly there are women selling umbrellas and rain ponchos!!

Walking back in the rain thru the puddles and rains. Bump into this gal (was my fault as my specs were stemed and wet) close to the 711 on 2nd road. Poor gal almost fell but I held her. Profuse apologies lead to smiles. I genuinely asked her if I can get her a drink or something from the 711 while the rain settles. Bloody hell. Next thing she's offering to take care of me! Agreed on 1300St. Finished off beers, she got some snacks and went to hotel as rain subsided.

Rather good sex. A great silicone job. Medium boobs to large. Very natural feel. ST was done. And my usual reflex is off they go! Realised she was trying to stay long because of rain. She asked if she can stay LT. I said yes but I aint paying. She just stayed. Somewhere in the ungodly early hours of the early morning she was riding me BB. Not my wisest choice. But was still good. Slept more and woke up and figured may as well take her for breakfast to "China" . I'm sure her thainess was a refreshing addition to the chinese breakfast room. And yes some of those hot chinese were still there!

More on day 4 later.

[QUOTE=ButtRavisher;2929324]Boots on the ground right now. Second time in Pattaya.

Last time, I was only here for 3 days and stuck to the Gents clubs and Soi 6 scene.

This time my friend, let's call him Paul, is with me.

Thought would check out the WS scene this time.

Went to Pinup, and got denied entry saying "members only - 5000 THB membership fee".

Thing is, my friend Paul is Indian and wasn't particularly well dressed this evening.

And I know Pin Up's target clientele is Japanese / Korean.

So just trying to figure out from the veterans, is Pinup now members only as they claim.

Or.

We were denied entry because we are not their target clientele / racist / they don't like us?

Wondering whether I should consider visiting Pin up in the future with a girl or just drop it from my list. Thanks![/QUOTE]Tough entry if you a Prajeet. Read back 999 pages you will see many References to this injustice of Justice.

Weird how Tat encourages them to visit. They visit. Then Thai people Hate on them.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2929418]Tough entry if you a Prajeet. Read back 999 pages you will see many References to this injustice of Justice.

Weird how Tat encourages them to visit. They visit. Then Thai people Hate on them.[/QUOTE]That's what I suspected. Thanks for confirming. Going to drop pin-up when I visit it with my girl then.

It is discriminatory and frustrating but then again, the kind of shit I see them pulling and the general loud and obnoxious behavior by Indians coming to Pattaya.

I don't really blame the Thais for discriminating. They kinda deserve it.

It's just frustrating that you immediately get put into that crowd by just existing.

Was bored so decided to go check out Heaven Above. Time around 11:30 PM.

Lots of ladies, though none a looker and mostly 30+ and hence a bit too old for my tastes.

Just bought a drink and struck a conversation with the hostess about the new location. She confirmed that the owner is still the same as before.

She offered to take me upstairs to take a look. They have a speakeasy type of deal upstairs. A bit more private and but also smaller.

30+ ladies upstairs too.

Confirmed pricing. 500 bar fine for upstairs. 1650 for takeout. 2000 for lady for 1 hour.

Struck up a conversation with a fellow older gent who said he's going to lips lounge afterwards for a blowie and offered to take me along.

Hadn't been there so I agreed.

At Lips lounge, same deal. All ladies 30+. No lookers.

Basic drink 75 thb. Lady drink 165 I think. 500 for a BJ. Can have 2 at the same time for 1000.

Didn't like any ladies so didn't partake and left.

Came back to Hotel. Found a cutie with big tits on TF. Wanted 1500, agreed on 1000 for ST.

But some miscommunication and in the end got too late and I lost interest so didn't pan out.

Tomorrow is another day.

[QUOTE=ButtRavisher;2929324]This time my friend, let's call him Paul, is with me.

Thought would check out the WS scene this time.

Went to Pinup, and got denied entry saying "members only - 5000 THB membership fee".

Thing is, my friend Paul is Indian and wasn't particularly well dressed this evening.[/QUOTE]It had little to do with Paul being Indian. It had more to do with him not being well dressed. How many guys do you see walk in to Pin Up or another top gogo bar dressed in something like sandals, a wife beater shirt, or tatted shorts like a backpacker would wear. If you were non Indian and dressed in at least long pants and a nice t-shirt, you guys should have been allowed in had Paul been clean cut and well dressed as well. Better yet dress well and go solo. They're trying to uphold a standard here. Sandals in a top gogo bar are not a thing. Go to Windmill or something similar if you want to dress lie a slob. Now if you are both Indian then you would have more success still if you were solo. Problem with Indians on Walking Street is that they come in packs of 4+. They would have ZERO chance of getting into any top gogo bar.

[QUOTE=ButtRavisher;2929570]Was bored so decided to go check out Heaven Above. Time around 11:30 PM.

Lots of ladies, though none a looker and mostly 30+ and hence a bit too old for my tastes.

Just bought a drink and struck a conversation with the hostess about the new location. She confirmed that the owner is still the same as before.

She offered to take me upstairs to take a look. They have a speakeasy type of deal upstairs. A bit more private and but also smaller.

30+ ladies upstairs too.

Confirmed pricing. 500 bar fine for upstairs. 1650 for takeout. 2000 for lady for 1 hour.

Struck up a conversation with a fellow older gent who said he's going to lips lounge afterwards for a blowie and offered to take me along.

Hadn't been there so I agreed.

At Lips lounge, same deal. All ladies 30+. No lookers.

Basic drink 75 thb. Lady drink 165 I think. 500 for a BJ. Can have 2 at the same time for 1000.

Didn't like any ladies so didn't partake and left.

Came back to Hotel. Found a cutie with big tits on TF. Wanted 1500, agreed on 1000 for ST.

But some miscommunication and in the end got too late and I lost interest so didn't pan out.

Tomorrow is another day.[/QUOTE]60 girls all UGLY. Sorry guys this is Funny but accurate.

Then he finds a 1 k girl online. Hottie. Methinks.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2929140]$14 for ST is wild. You can't even get a meal for that much in the states anymore.[/QUOTE]You get what pay for. Some folks like the low end.

[QUOTE=ButtRavisher;2929324]Boots on the ground right now. Second time in Pattaya.

Last time, I was only here for 3 days and stuck to the Gents clubs and Soi 6 scene.

This time my friend, let's call him Paul, is with me.

Thought would check out the WS scene this time.

Went to Pinup, and got denied entry saying "members only - 5000 THB membership fee".

Thing is, my friend Paul is Indian and wasn't particularly well dressed this evening.

And I know Pin Up's target clientele is Japanese / Korean.

So just trying to figure out from the veterans, is Pinup now members only as they claim.

Or.

We were denied entry because we are not their target clientele / racist / they don't like us?

Wondering whether I should consider visiting Pin up in the future with a girl or just drop it from my list. Thanks![/QUOTE]I was just in XS and Pin up, same owner and the girls work in both and there is no membership Fee. They pull that shit all the time. Why? Because unfortunately they are racist, but with reasons. It's not an excuse by no means, but it's true. They would rather have the available seats taken by customers who pay. They have taken a bad stereo type to a new level. I know Indian guys that can buy and sell Pin Up and XS 100 times over. A lot also has to do with the ladies. The girls in both these places don't want customers from there so if I was Indian, I wouldn't want to go there as well. Disgusting behavior by the bars and ladies. Just because of a few bad eggs, they generalize the whole culture. I would drop it from your list. There are plenty of other options. I know the girls are hot, but if you are treated badly, it's not worth your trouble when you have a gazillion other options. I can't comment if it was because of the way you two were dressed as you didn't describe that too much. However, I know many of the ladies in both clubs and the managers and I know they have this policy on Indians.

Here is the latest XS girl that I was with. One of those stories where she would call her boyfriend while in bed with me. True story! I was eating her pussy when he called. She had to answer and she was trying her best not to give herself away, but alas, he knew. Next day, she was single on her Facebook. Poor UK bloke was sending her 50 K Baht per month and letting her work at XS and Pinup thinking it was only for drinks. One of the best asses I have seen. Right up there with Jar from Club 4 , recently changed to another name, which I have forgotten. Have not been in yet to the new place. I dumped my load in this XS girl 3 times. Once in the ST room once on WS, once in my hotel after republic, and once in the morning. She loves to ride dick and said those immortal words to me that I can't resist. "Cum inside me" When the lady says this, I will sign over my house, my car, and half my Thai bank account LOL. Nights like this at either Pin Up or XS usually run me at least 20K Baht plus whatever I pay to the girl plus 2 or 3 hours in a night club before fucking. Sometimes I can't wait til get back to my hotel after the club so we take a quick detour to a ST room before the club. Then back to my room for round 2 and 3. Walking street is not the place to go every night, but a couple of times a month is enough.

Anyways, for your viewing pleasure, here are a few of her photos.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2929637]Now if you are both Indian then you would have more success still if you were solo. Problem with Indians on Walking Street is that they come in packs of 4+. They would have ZERO chance of getting into any top gogo bar.[/QUOTE]I've seen some being rejected while they were just two guys, and better dressed than most farangs visiting walking street (not even in a top gogo, it was in one of the smaller ones further down walking street). They took it the good way too, didn't make a scandal and just moved to another place.

A few years ago I've been asked by the fat ass farang that stays in front of Baccara (Bkk) to buy a drink before getting in the club, I refused and never tried to put a foot again in that place. I would suggest every one being rejected or being victim of racism to do the same, never go in that place again and spend your hard earned money elsewhere.

One of the busiest bars on Soi Pothole. Classified as a gents club, but is known for being the place to meet Trevor if you are a fan of Buzzin Pattaya. Therefore, it also has that neighborhood bar type of atmosphere. It opens at 2 PM everyday and has a large pool table on one side and a seating area on the other side.

If you are want to meet Trevor 9/10 times he will be there to greet you and have a few beers. However, sometimes he gets busy or drunk and may not seem so hospitable. Don't take it personally. It's not easy running a bar and a You tube channel and a media / marketing company.

The drink prices are pretty standard, not expensive. What some of you guys will like is that Trevor has put a strict rule in place about no drink queens. That means the girls can't ask for a drink. They can only drink if they are offered.

Next, the girls. There is a huge mix of girls from. slim, fat, and chubby, to sexy, beautiful, cute, and ugly. I will, attach photos of the ones I have banged here. How does the bar work in terms of getting action with the ladies? This is where things can get a bit inconsistent. You have three choices here. The first one is the curtained areas. For a few hundred baht, you can take a girl behind a curtain and fuck around. Get Bjs or even fuck. Next option is the short time rooms. You can take one up there for an hour or so for around 1500 baht plus the room. However, the ST rooms are not always available. Sometimes they are closed down for obvious reasons. Maggie Mays just opposite does not have the same problem. Can't understand why Buzzin does. The third option is a bar fine ST or LT outside. Around 700-1000 baht for the barfine and the rest is between you and the girl. I normally pay 3000-5000 LT unless I use the curtain or the ST room when open.

Some negatives about the girls. As this bar gets lots of attention because the owner has a You Tube channel, the girls often meet many guys. They see them on the weekly live streams where they are featured and the guys can buy them drinks. They fall in love before even meeting them LOL. Therefore, sometimes you will meet one of the girls and she won't go with you because she has a boyfriend. Then 1 week later, she will go. Most will always fuck around with you behind the curtain or in the ST room when it's available. For me, it is this inconsistency that does not make me a regular and keeps me going back to one of the other gents clubs more often than Buzzin, but this bar has its moments and I always have a great time when I am in. Overall I would give it a 7/10.

Here are my favs. I had a great time with all four of them. Geese I hope none of you are one of their boyfriends. But come on, if your GF works in a Pattaya gents clubs, you surely can't believe she will be 100% faithful to you. LOL.

In these photos, you will see Thip, Sugar, Jane, and sorry but I forgot the other one's name. I won't post any details of my time with either of them, as I don't want their boyfriends to get pissed off. Let's just say they were all memorable.

I had 45+ year old lady come to my condo tonight. She has a sponsor from Sweden who gives her 100 K+ a month, and a young Korean guys who gives her a little, but is a hansum man.

She didn't do much for me, it was a catch and release tonight.

I have younger and sexier coming in the morning.

Asian s as customer s Rule. That's just the way it is.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2929671]You get what pay for. Some folks like the low end.[/QUOTE]Some even go lower than that. I bet the SUB is working on it.

Can you say $9. 00. Haha.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2929671]You get what pay for. Some folks like the low end.[/QUOTE]Actually not. You get what you negotiate. Hiring prostitutes online is not like ordering off a menu in a restaurant. High prices do not always equal quality. The pictures I see posted by some individuals up in here are not more attractive than pictures I see on profiles on Thai Friendly. But even I will admit those girls are charging prices I am unwilling to pay.

What you do not find me doing is price shaming, acting as the price police or making sweeping generalizations about a certain type of girl that are untrue. All of which I see occurring on a regular basis up in here. Lastly, boy friends? Girl friends? One hundred percent faithfulness? What the fuck are people talking about? Are they actually in the same Pattaya I am visiting?

[I]They say I'm bipolar so indecisive
So muthafuckin' what I know some bitches who like it[/I] - By the way, [B]Jeezy[/B].

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2929709]
A few years ago I've been asked by the fat ass farang that stays in front of Baccara (Bkk) to buy a drink before getting in the club, I refused and never tried to put a foot again in that place. I would suggest every one being rejected or being victim of racism to do the same, never go in that place again and spend your hard earned money elsewhere.[/QUOTE]This is actually a common policy of Baccara in Bkk on busy nights, like Fridays and Saturdays. Has nothing to do with racism, they are requesting the same from caucasians.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2929709]Baccara (Bkk) to buy a drink before getting in the club, I refused and never tried to put a foot again in that place. I would suggest every one being rejected or being victim of racism to do the same, never go in that place again and spend your hard earned money elsewhere.[/QUOTE]I've been asked almost every time to buy my drink at Baccara Cowboy before I go in. I looked at it this way. If I buy the drink outside it saves me from having to tip a waitress inside for that drink.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2929962]This is actually a common policy of Baccara in Bkk on busy nights, like Fridays and Saturdays. Has nothing to do with racism, they are requesting the same from caucasians.[/QUOTE]

Yes, the reason they do it on busy nights is that you don't walk in and find out there are no seats available and walk out again. You already paid for your drink so now you have to stay.


[QUOTE=Paolo99;2929709]I've seen some being rejected while they were just two guys, and better dressed than most farangs visiting walking street (not even in a top gogo, it was in one of the smaller ones further down walking street). They took it the good way too, didn't make a scandal and just moved to another place.

A few years ago I've been asked by the fat ass farang that stays in front of Baccara (Bkk) to buy a drink before getting in the club, I refused and never tried to put a foot again in that place. I would suggest every one being rejected or being victim of racism to do the same, never go in that place again and spend your hard earned money elsewhere.[/QUOTE]

If I were Indian and really really wanted to get into a top gogo bar on Walking Street, I'd approach a couple of Koreans / Japanese who were walking towards Palace, Pin Up, etc. I'd let them know you will buy them a round of drinks if they tell security you're with them.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2929804]I had 45+ year old lady come to my condo tonight.[/QUOTE]

How much did she pay you?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2929970]I've been asked almost every time to buy my drink at Baccara Cowboy before I go in. I looked at it this way. If I buy the drink outside it saves me from having to tip a waitress inside for that drink. [/QUOTE]That's good to know.

I visited the place a few times without being asked to take a drink first before that experience (I was not a regular customer in that place).

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2929962]This is actually a common policy of Baccara in Bkk on busy nights, like Fridays and Saturdays. Has nothing to do with racism, they are requesting the same from caucasians.[/QUOTE]Honestly I don't remember how busy the soi was that night.

I took it personnal because the Thai doorman opened the door for me and was ready to let me in as usual but the fat guy blocked him and pointed to the menu, and then told me to pay a drink first.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2930110]That's good to know.

I visited the place a few times without being asked to take a drink first before that experience (I was not a regular customer in that place).

Honestly I don't remember how busy the soi was that night.

I took it personnal because the Thai doorman opened the door for me and was ready to let me in as usual but the fat guy blocked him and pointed to the menu, and then told me to pay a drink first.[/QUOTE]Not that I would ever go into a go go bar without buying drinks, but what worked for me in the past was saying hello to this guy and tipping him 100 Baht. That 100 baht and 10 seconds of courtesy has gotten me 14 years of entering without being asked to buy a drink outside. Who do you guys think he is? In 14 years, I have never seen him get up from that chair. The staff all listen to him likes he's the one that pays their salaries. So, who do you think he is?

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2930189]Not that I would ever go into a go go bar without buying drinks, but what worked for me in the past was saying hello to this guy and tipping him 100 Baht. That 100 baht and 10 seconds of courtesy has gotten me 14 years of entering without being asked to buy a drink outside. Who do you guys think he is? In 14 years, I have never seen him get up from that chair. The staff all listen to him likes he's the one that pays their salaries. So, who do you think he is?[/QUOTE]His name is Patrick and he's just the door guy. I've only known him 6 years but my friends have known him for 20 years. I used to be a regular but since Covid they have not been able to recruit many new or younger ladies. Now to be fair I haven't visited Baccara in probably 2 or 3 months and things can change quickly in these bars.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2929970]



If I were Indian and really really wanted to get into a top gogo bar on Walking Street, I'd approach a couple of Koreans / Japanese who were walking towards Palace, Pin Up, etc. I'd let them know you will buy them a round of drinks if they tell security you're with them.


[/QUOTE]Why would you try so hard to give your money to an establishment that clearly doesn't want your money? Just cause you get past the door doesn't mean you will be treated well inside!

If you want a girl to stay with you one hour per drink go to a bar with no customers.

I've just seen it on stream. LOL.

Zookeepa she is ok but not sexy. Come on bro. Tiddies was too oversized. Face ok but has baby.

P.S. She not into you.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2930189]Not that I would ever go into a go go bar without buying drinks, but what worked for me in the past was saying hello to this guy and tipping him 100 Baht. That 100 baht and 10 seconds of courtesy has gotten me 14 years of entering without being asked to buy a drink outside. Who do you guys think he is? In 14 years, I have never seen him get up from that chair. The staff all listen to him likes he's the one that pays their salaries. So, who do you think he is?[/QUOTE]What's the point of tipping him 100 Baht when you will buy a drink anyway once you're inside?
I guess he's the owner?

You all priced out of Spi 6 ? Reports please. I'll be back 1st of September or so with Live Updates.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2930295]What's the point of tipping him 100 Baht when you will buy a drink anyway once you're inside?
I guess he's the owner?[/QUOTE]It's called courtesy. Then they remember you for next time and take care of you. I think I was clear in my original post. I take it you never tip.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2930485]It's called courtesy. Then they remember you for next time and take care of you. I think I was clear in my original post. I take it you never tip.[/QUOTE]I do agree with this. Tipping the right people a very nominal amount goes a very long way for years. Like my visit to Sensations last month. I haven't been in years but was treated like a king by the bar manager and waitress I knew since 2015. I used to buy them a drink or two many many years ago when money used to flow like gas out of a Hummer.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2930263]Why would you try so hard to give your money to an establishment that clearly doesn't want your money? Just cause you get past the door doesn't mean you will be treated well inside![/QUOTE]I'm a curious person. If that was the only way I could see the inside of a place I would do it. Then post a review on how the girls inside treated me. Luckily I'm not Indian or even dark skinned and don't have to do this shite in Thailand. If I were Indian I wouldn't go to Thailand.

Keep ING this thread moving while we wait for reports from 40 drinks guy. Hahaha.

Aforementioned mentioned streamer Zookeepa buys 1 drink for a girl named YoYo. Spent 45- 60 minutes with her.

Goes back looking for her next day. She has customer.

Puzzle. If you were YoYo would you want to see him again?

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2930485]It's called courtesy. Then they remember you for next time and take care of you. I think I was clear in my original post. I take it you never tip.[/QUOTE]I do. It just didn't make sense to me. You might as well buy a drink outside, and also give him a tip.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2930551]Keep ING this thread moving while we wait for reports from 40 drinks guy. Hahaha.

Aforementioned mentioned streamer Zookeepa buys 1 drink for a girl named YoYo. Spent 45- 60 minutes with her.

Goes back looking for her next day. She has customer.

Puzzle. If you were YoYo would you want to see him again?[/QUOTE]Conclusion. Zoo got together with Yoyo again. This time splurged and bought her 2 drinks. She was entertaining other customers and him at the same time. Zoo Is Wonder why he isn't getting Superstar service.

Leaves dejected mumbling that was a waste of money.

This 40 drinks guy is on to something. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2930551]Keep ING this thread moving while we wait for reports from 40 drinks guy. Hahaha.

Aforementioned mentioned streamer Zookeepa buys 1 drink for a girl named YoYo. Spent 45- 60 minutes with her.

Goes back looking for her next day. She has customer.

Puzzle. If you were YoYo would you want to see him again?[/QUOTE]He spent 45-60 minutes with her doing what? Talking? Well why would you want to do that anyway? I'm there to fuck, not to chit chat.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2929698] I know Indian guys that can buy and sell Pin Up and XS 100 times over. A lot also has to do with the ladies. The girls in both these places don't want customers from there so if I was Indian, I wouldn't want to go there as well. Disgusting behavior by the bars and ladies. Just because of a few bad eggs, they generalize the whole culture. I would drop it from your list. There are plenty of other options. [/QUOTE]Because of the almost total relaxation of visa rules by Thailand and cheap airfare / hotel prices, it is the go-to destination for Indians from Tier Two and lower cities today for whom just going abroad is a lifetime experience. In some cases, it is cheaper than even visiting certain other tourist destinations in India itself. They are another type of tourist who want to spend little and get maximum mileage from the trip. Imagine a couple of these guys ending up at a high-end place just to ogle at the women without wanting to spend money on drinks let alone ladies. I don't blame the staff at these places. Unfortunately they spoil it for those who are able to and willing to spend. I have paid an entrance fee in Crazy Horse in Bangkok to get in. But I give out generous tips for drinks, be polite to everyone, go with the flow and the staff relax around you. IMHO it has little to do with skin color. Except for one or two girls, everyone else have been respectful towards me because of that.

[QUOTE=Grebe925;2930612]IMHO it has little to do with skin color.[/QUOTE]My friend, it has [B]everything[/B] to do with skin color when some guy at the door won't let you in solely based on the way your skin is (or requires some payment in advance). That's the very definition of "colorism", and it happens all too often in Thailand where you aren't judged by the contents of your individual character, but by the color of your skin. It's all too common in Thailand.

Been a bit too busy do updates but will summarise.

Every day managed around 2-3 girls. Mostly of TF 1200-1500. Options plenty so no stressing over pricing.

Did a repeat session with the rain girl. Was even better.

The naughty 21 year old I had twice pestered to meet but avoided her. Alot more fresh meat awaited!

One good one. Bar girl from tiger club. Funnily, she had tried her best I take her but I didn't. But she did take my line. Later on got she got in touch and met up for 1000 bht only at130 am after her work. Quite an interesting one with decent english and the sex was good. Again was a ST but she ended up sleeping over. Got another round off her in morning. Seems is new in town. Hates working as a bar girl but needs the money to send home. Clarified she's only getting my $ for sex. No other way I giving money / helping out. Anyway went off after breakfast at my hotel. That next night I asked her to meet up and she had agreed to come after work, around midnight. But then she changed plans and was available from 9 pm, which cut short my post dinner foot tour! Apparently faked being sick and left the bar early. Seems clear she hates her job!! But again another night of great sex for 1000 bht but I tipped her 500 more.

Otherwise all regular except last day. Paid extra for a late check out at 6 pm. As my flight was only at 11 pm and no plans in hanging at the airport. (BKK airport is one of the few with a 100% no smoking) .

I Found a very chinesy (if that's how its spelt) looking gal on Tinder I was swiping on and we matched. Rather short convo and she was free to meet. And even came rather quick because she has her own bike. Had brought her down from 2000 to 1700 but didn't mind paying alil more for last minute and her chinesey look. Was not disapppointed!! Apparently she from Hong Kong (I did believe because her english was almost perfect). But is in pattaya on a work thing! Just needs sex she claims (but at 2000!! Ya right). Long and short. The sex was great (might actually believe her given how into it she was) and got a little dose of chinese pussy. After all the chinese gals I been seeing in the hotel tempting me.

Finished off with her. Went and had a last massage and proper meal. Checked out and long haul back home. Till pattaya 2025 now.

Again I hope I've added back something to the forum, thanks to all who contibute all year long. Keep up the good work.

P.S. Whats a good city for punting in China?? I really want more chinese!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2930623]My friend, it has [B]everything[/B] to do with skin color when some guy at the door won't let you in solely based on the way your skin is (or requires some payment in advance). That's the very definition of "colorism", and it happens all too often in Thailand where you aren't judged by the contents of your individual character, but by the color of your skin. It's all too common in Thailand.[/QUOTE]You are keeping it one hundred up in here [B]The Cane[/B]. You have to been living in a cave to not know that colorism play a HUGE role in Thailand when it comes to preferences and beauty standards. I see it among Thais themselves. Girls often describe themselves by skin color on Thai Friendly. They only would be doing that in order to market themselves correctly to make sure they are not rejected by the many individuals that play into the color bias because of their natural backgrounds developed in the of origins countries they are traveling from.

[B]I even see it being mentioned by posters here[/B] Now, everyone is allowed to have their preferences. Simply acknowledge that they have biases. Own it!

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2929526]The Chocolate Chip Chicks on Beach Road are Uglier than the ones Prowling Nana.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2929539]Guess it depends if you like them clean or not. Personally I didn't go to SE Asia for unwashed black girls with fright wigs catering to the lower end crowd.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2930623]My friend, it has [B]everything[/B] to do with skin color when some guy at the door won't let you in solely based on the way your skin is (or requires some payment in advance). That's the very definition of "colorism", and it happens all too often in Thailand where you aren't judged by the contents of your individual character, but by the color of your skin. It's all too common in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Colorism! That is a good new word for me I use prejudice, racism, when I get a chance and talk to Thais as to how they are behaving even then they have a tough time accepting their behavior is that.

There is no doubt there are lots of rich Indians living here and it was even before the Thais relax the immigration rules. Like everything here the leaders don't give a rat ass what the people like it is all about the almighty baht.

Example is rich haven't heard much of him after Covid, but the guy that heads the Buka group the guy that lease the entire complex and rumor prior to turn it into another Nana plaza, maybe investing into all the Indian clubs from PinUp on down is what Indian money is doing.

People forget prior to Covid, the big rumor WS water side they were going to move everyone out at one time no clubs were being allow to be built. This is a hobby living here they held a meeting by City Leaders former last 2 mayor concerning the illegal built and purchase of much of the land. This meeting was one not to be missed by the owners legal or illegal, what showed up was the old school rich old men with battery of Thai Lawyers many to my surprise also were old time rich Indians many live down in Chinatown area with shops. There are three homes on the Darkside I believe by design are owned and lived in by Indians, these three are huge larger than any Thai home I've ever seen on the darkside, outside of the main house are maids quarters and grounds that can park 20 plus cars.

The Thais that most here will meet and associate like those at the doors sure they are doing their job as instructed but l see and experience it daily living here and you know what it isn't going to change because not one is going to shut down this racist factory it is being pass on as we speak. As noted prior to Thailand being completely open to Indians it had already started.

Here is a true example experience I was sitting with a number of Thais just drinking they were just low level government people once they found out I was Chinese they were joking mentioned something Chinese do which I guess it was pointed out to him by maybe his parents, or friends it is what I called " Hop Too " this is where a deep breath is taken and the person brings all a load of flame through their nose with one hands grabs that volume of glue and flings it on the floor or splits it out.

I've heard this jokingly a number of times living here but I've also seen a number of Thais do it in the past. Timing, a while later this old guy is pushing a cart down the Soi collecting bottles, he does the same thing while we all are sitting, eating, drinking saw the old guy I being me couldn't help myself blurr out " Hey look a Chinese guy collecting recycle " Everyone knew what I meant jokingly except the guy who mentioned the Chinese thing to me earlier " Loss of face " these are the guys who run the country and will always run the country his views and beliefs will be pass down for another 100 years, so get use to it.

For me, it is nothing but a game prior to Covid, I use to stand outside the walkway of Happy GoGo, then majority of the Freelancer would gather for entertainment I stand there and watch and listen to the conversation the ones who used to stop and gather were the type that gave all Indians the bad name ones that wore the tradition Indian clothing. I once observed and watch the group walk away the girl turn to her friend and said the price he offer was 200 baht, she responded for that price I might as well be a taxi driver?

Today you see more Indian dressed Western but personally if I was Indian you be better off dressing real Western depend on your age, go to Mikes get some knock off Polos, Nike, shirts, shorts, shoes cap, if they stop you, tell them you from Mexico LOL!

While Indians are trying hard to standout, the Chinese particularly HK, Mainland China Triads are pouring money into Thailand using their influence to buy the leaders of this country underground. I have never seen so many Mainland Chinese come to Thailand buying and living here many are so young makes one wonder why? Freedom? I run into them in volume, immigration, banks opening new bank account, many set up shell companies so they can buy homes many even send them to International schools on the Darkside of Pattaya. Bias, while Indians are trying to standout the Chinese are going deeper underground.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2930592]He spent 45-60 minutes with her doing what? Talking? Well why would you want to do that anyway? I'm there to fuck, not to chit chat.[/QUOTE]Maybe lbm can chime in.

I think many of us go for Sex but since so many Uglies we just drink. LOL. Hahaha.

As for Zookeepa he is just Broke. Entertaining guy Though.

[QUOTE=NemanLion;2930652]Had brought her down from 2000 to 1700 but didn't mind paying alil more for last minute and her chinesey look. Was not disapppointed!! Apparently she from Hong Kong (I did believe because her english was almost perfect). But is in pattaya on a work thing! Just needs sex she claims (but at 2000!! Ya right).[/QUOTE]A HK girl would come in Pattaya and sell her pussy there for 1700 baht?

Normally it works the other way, Pattaya girl goes to HK and sells her pussy with a premium.

[QUOTE=NemanLion;2930652]I Found a very chinesy (if that's how its spelt) looking gal on Tinder I was swiping on and we matched. Rather short convo and she was free to meet. And even came rather quick because she has her own bike. Had brought her down from 2000 to 1700 but didn't mind paying alil more for last minute and her chinesey look. Was not disapppointed!! Apparently she from Hong Kong (I did believe because her english was almost perfect). But is in pattaya on a work thing! Just needs sex she claims (but at 2000!! Ya right). Long and short. The sex was great (might actually believe her given how into it she was) and got a little dose of chinese pussy. After all the chinese gals I been seeing in the hotel tempting me.

P.S. Whats a good city for punting in China?? I really want more chinese![/QUOTE]You do realize that 15% of Thai people are of Chinese decent? I seriously doubt that chick was from Hong Kong. If you had told her to speak some Chinese, she would have looked at you like a deer in headlights or started laughing and said joking.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2930801]You do realize that 15% of Thai people are of Chinese decent? I seriously doubt that chick was from Hong Kong. If you had told her to speak some Chinese, she would have looked at you like a deer in headlights or started laughing and said joking.[/QUOTE]Very true. I'm just basing it on the fact that her english was rather good and clean compared to the Thai chicks!

And where are those 15% of chinese thais to be found for my next visit!

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2930779]A HK girl would come in Pattaya and sell her pussy there for 1700 baht?

Normally it works the other way, Pattaya girl goes to HK and sells her pussy with a premium.[/QUOTE]Well that's her sales pitch. Let it be LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2930801]You do realize that 15% of Thai people are of Chinese decent? I seriously doubt that chick was from Hong Kong. If you had told her to speak some Chinese, she would have looked at you like a deer in headlights or started laughing and said joking.[/QUOTE]Correct the chance is very slim that she was actually Chinese although as I noted there are more and more younger Chinese residing in Thailand and Pattaya.

A comunication mix up perception or she telling him what he might like to hear? Same kind of line? University student, office worker part time, simple check her story, speak what part of HK you live.

Hong Kong economy is Cratering now that's its Communist.

Short time in Pattaya is an option. LOL. Hahaha.

I recently was in Pattaya for 9 days.

Let me sum up my experience.

Tree town, myth night, Soi bukhaow:

Generally the average age amongs the bargirl seems to be at least 30+, maybe even 35+. Overweight is generally a problem. Some bars and areas have an average age of maybe even 40+.

Looks amongst the staff are mostly very low. No way men are going to travel from other continents to go to these places. I don't understand why anyone would do that.

There was one bar where I talked to a cute girl but in the barfine was 1000 baht short time and she wanted 2500. I asked her if she thought this is reasonable and if thaimen pay the same sum? She understood that I was right but didn't really want to talk about it.

When it comes to tree town I can't understand why these places even are operating. The profit must either be very little or almost non-existent.

Soi Pothole:

I mostly went to Amons bar and a good experience there. Girls there are ok with 1000 baht ST. And meet one I was very happy with, I had her two times. Oterwise quality is low on soi pothole and the average age is 30-35+.

LK Metro bars:

Generally low quality and many girls are overweight. But there are a some exceptions. Didn't spend to much time here and ask about prices. I belive it can be had at reasonable levels.

LK Metro gogos:

Most of this bars have older women, 30-35+. The kind of women that was hot and sexy 10 years ago. Some are overweight and others are slim. Queens have undergone a deterioration in quality from my last visit in 2022. The only gogo in LK Metro that I think was good is Lady Love which had a few cuties and other girls that were ok. Lady love is the clear winner.

Walking street gogos:

I was surpirsed when I walked into Pin-up. Compared to when I was there in 2022 there had been a significant fall in quality. XS hade some cuties but also many average looking women where the only good thing is that they are not too old and slim. Overall the quality on walking street is very average, nothing special. And absolutly nothing that make it worth paying 160 Euros for cuming one time. No. Its a western european price for an average "product". Is this supposed to make people pay for intercontinental flights and then pay 160 euros for a fuck? Maybe there are some that do it but I just don't see this as being a viable business modell anymore. XS hade many visitors. Visitors in Pin-up is down. All others had few visitors. Mamasan in Tantra complained to me that they have no customers.

The only exception is Palace agogo that had many visitors (all asian) and many cute and beautiful women.

Soi 6:

What I first noticed is three things:

1. Not many visitors compared to the number of bars and number of girls working in the bars.

2. Starting price seems to be some sort of reflexive value of 2000 baht (exlusive the barfine).

3. Many more koreans now that when I have been there before.

The thing with this talk about 2000 baht is that this can in some cases be negotiated down. I payed 1000 to one average looking, 1200 to another average looking and 1500 to a sexy and cute girl. Some go down in price but others stand firm at 2000. The ones that stand firm on 2000 seem to look at is as something completly natural. I ask one girl if thais themselves really pay that? She just smiled and avoided eye contact. I asked other girls if koreans ever negotiate the price, they told me that koreans never do that. I also saw examples of koreans walking around and then barfining the cutest girls long time. I also asked many girls how mnay drinks that have gotten during the evening. It seems to me that few girls get thier drink quatas of five or six drinks. So there seems to be a lack of customers.

Clearly the increasing number of koreans on soi 6 is having an impact on the prices. We are talking about prices increases of 80-100 % in a few years. That is just crazy, specially when you compare it to few numbers of visitors on that street and in Pattaya in generally.

And for anyone that don't understand inflation or price increases in Thailand, let me tell you that they are far from even 15%. I talked to a guide I had on a tour. She is thai and told me that price increases has maybe been 5 % to maximum of 7 % in Thailand. Other prices has not increased 80-100%. So any comment that is based on an erroneous understanding of inflation might as well be left out of the comment fields, thank you.

During this trip I went across the country and was not there just to visit Pattaya. I don't regret visiting Pattaya for the forth time and I did have a good time there but I can't say that I am looking forward to a next visit or is planning one. I think that when it comes to quality and prices Pattaya has deteriorated alot from where it used to be. Lets make it clear, to a significant extent Pattaya is a sort of prostitution trash can of Thailand. Not all of the women but after looking through Tree town or Myth night I can't really come to any other conclusion. When it comes to prices you will mostly have to negotiate if you want good prices.

There is no point in asking a bargirl what Thai men pay.

First off, they aren't allowed in most Farang bars.

Secondly, there is a shortage of available Thai men in Pattaya, so they are a valuable commodity. Bargirls with a Thai boyfriend often support them financially.

Lastly, there just aren't short time bars for Thai men to hook up with bargirls in Pattaya. There are bars where Thai men can go, but not for ST, at least they aren't common in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2931091]There was one bar where I talked to a cute girl but in the barfine was 1000 baht short time and she wanted 2500. I asked her if she thought this is reasonable and if thaimen pay the same sum? She understood that I was right but didn't really want to talk about it.[/QUOTE]Of course not. If Thai men were paying that much money they could just stay where they came from. They all go to Pattaya because Pattaya have many stupid farang.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2931091]Looks amongst the staff are mostly very low. No way men are going to travel from other continents to go to these places. I don't understand why anyone would do that.
....
I asked other girls if koreans ever negotiate the price, they told me that koreans never do that.[/QUOTE]Many of us don't travel for the average girls, we travel for the 1 or 2 per day that we like. When I find an attractive girl who is fun, I'll repeat. Sometime many expensive repeats. Meanwhile, the average and worse girls earn very little money.

I don't understand Korean culture. In years gone by I've had Korean girlfriends and have had many dinners at expensive restaurants with her Korean friends. In those situations, the Koreans will order excessively and then rush to be the one to pay the bill. Paying lots of money for visible stuff seems to build status amongst Koreans. I guess the same principle applies with hookers. These same people may struggle to make payments for their fancy homes and luxury cars, some lose their homes and cars. Very different culture from mine.

Hello,

One question please, I hope the question is ok because I will not say the whole real name:

Does someone no a woman named Alisa / Arisa and she have a playboy tattoo on her leg?

Hallo,

I hope my question is ok because I don't say too much: Does someone know a woman named Alisa or Arisa with a playboy tattoo on her leg?

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2931091]I recently was in Pattaya for 9 days.

Let me sum up my experience.

Tree town, myth night, Soi bukhaow:

Generally the average age amongs the bargirl seems to be at least 30+, maybe even 35+. Overweight is generally a problem. Some bars and areas have an average age of maybe even 40+.

Looks amongst the staff are mostly very low. No way men are going to travel from other continents to go to these places. I don't understand why anyone would do that.

There was one bar where I talked to a cute girl but in the barfine was 1000 baht short time and she wanted 2500. I asked her if she thought this is reasonable and if thaimen pay the same sum? She understood that I was right but didn't really want to talk about it.

When it comes to tree town I can't understand why these places even are operating. The profit must either be very little or almost non-existent.

Soi Pothole:

I mostly went to Amons bar and a good experience there. Girls there are ok with 1000 baht ST. And meet one I was very happy with, I had her two times. Oterwise quality is low on soi pothole and the average age is 30-35+.

LK Metro bars:

Generally low quality and many girls are overweight. But there are a some exceptions. Didn't spend to much time here and ask about prices. I belive it can be had at reasonable levels.

LK Metro gogos:

Most of this bars have older women, 30-35+. The kind of women that was hot and sexy 10 years ago. Some are overweight and others are slim. Queens have undergone a deterioration in quality from my last visit in 2022. The only gogo in LK Metro that I think was good is Lady Love which had a few cuties and other girls that were ok. Lady love is the clear winner.

Walking street gogos:

I was surpirsed when I walked into Pin-up. Compared to when I was there in 2022 there had been a significant fall in quality. XS hade some cuties but also many average looking women where the only good thing is that they are not too old and slim. Overall the quality on walking street is very average, nothing special. And absolutly nothing that make it worth paying 160 Euros for cuming one time. No. Its a western european price for an average "product". Is this supposed to make people pay for intercontinental flights and then pay 160 euros for a fuck? Maybe there are some that do it but I just don't see this as being a viable business modell anymore. XS hade many visitors. Visitors in Pin-up is down. All others had few visitors. Mamasan in Tantra complained to me that they have no customers.

The only exception is Palace agogo that had many visitors (all asian) and many cute and beautiful women.

Soi 6:

What I first noticed is three things:

1. Not many visitors compared to the number of bars and number of girls working in the bars.

2. Starting price seems to be some sort of reflexive value of 2000 baht (exlusive the barfine).

3. Many more koreans now that when I have been there before.

The thing with this talk about 2000 baht is that this can in some cases be negotiated down. I payed 1000 to one average looking, 1200 to another average looking and 1500 to a sexy and cute girl. Some go down in price but others stand firm at 2000. The ones that stand firm on 2000 seem to look at is as something completly natural. I ask one girl if thais themselves really pay that? She just smiled and avoided eye contact. I asked other girls if koreans ever negotiate the price, they told me that koreans never do that. I also saw examples of koreans walking around and then barfining the cutest girls long time. I also asked many girls how mnay drinks that have gotten during the evening. It seems to me that few girls get thier drink quatas of five or six drinks. So there seems to be a lack of customers.

Clearly the increasing number of koreans on soi 6 is having an impact on the prices. We are talking about prices increases of 80-100 % in a few years. That is just crazy, specially when you compare it to few numbers of visitors on that street and in Pattaya in generally.

And for anyone that don't understand inflation or price increases in Thailand, let me tell you that they are far from even 15%. I talked to a guide I had on a tour. She is thai and told me that price increases has maybe been 5 % to maximum of 7 % in Thailand. Other prices has not increased 80-100%. So any comment that is based on an erroneous understanding of inflation might as well be left out of the comment fields, thank you.

During this trip I went across the country and was not there just to visit Pattaya. I don't regret visiting Pattaya for the forth time and I did have a good time there but I can't say that I am looking forward to a next visit or is planning one. I think that when it comes to quality and prices Pattaya has deteriorated alot from where it used to be. Lets make it clear, to a significant extent Pattaya is a sort of prostitution trash can of Thailand. Not all of the women but after looking through Tree town or Myth night I can't really come to any other conclusion. When it comes to prices you will mostly have to negotiate if you want good prices.[/QUOTE]Excellent report and spot on. Quality is down and prices are up. Having said that, I still like and enjoy Pattaya for all it has to offer in one central location.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2931133]Many of us don't travel for the average girls, we travel for the 1 or 2 per day that we like. When I find an attractive girl who is fun, I'll repeat. Sometime many expensive repeats. Meanwhile, the average and worse girls earn very little money.

I don't understand Korean culture. In years gone by I've had Korean girlfriends and have had many dinners at expensive restaurants with her Korean friends. In those situations, the Koreans will order excessively and then rush to be the one to pay the bill. Paying lots of money for visible stuff seems to build status amongst Koreans. I guess the same principle applies with hookers. These same people may struggle to make payments for their fancy homes and luxury cars, some lose their homes and cars. Very different culture from mine.[/QUOTE]The influence of Korean culture seems to be negatively affecting Thailand and SEA in many ways. SEA ladies are obsessed with everything Korean, especially Korean girls. It's an unhealthy obsession. And you see the countless Thai girls in BKK trying to look Korean with the nose jobs and skin whitening.

Meeting with the SUB?

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgzzOWT7WMk[/URL]

NO THANKs. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Depictions are just depictions. Character s are just something I found on you TOOB.

Gentlemen, does anyone know a good bar with multiple TVs that shows all the American NFL football games? Its an unusual time for games, I believe NFL games on Sundays in America will kick off in Pattaya at midnight on a Monday so the bar would have to be open all night past midnight until 10 am.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2931168]Meeting with the SUB?

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgzzOWT7WMk[/URL]

NO THANKs. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Depictions are just depictions. Character s are just something I found on you TOOB.[/QUOTE]That's the type of ghetto behavior that trash like messboy bring. Worse than drunken scousers.

Holiday two days No Alcohol!

All Closed.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2931091]I recently was in Pattaya for 9 days.

Let me sum up my experience.

Tree town, myth night, Soi bukhaow:

Generally the average age amongs the bargirl seems to be at least 30+, maybe even 35+. Overweight is generally a problem. Some bars and areas have an average age of maybe even 40+.

Looks amongst the staff are mostly very low. No way men are going to travel from other continents to go to these places. I don't understand why anyone would do that.

There was one bar where I talked to a cute girl but in the barfine was 1000 baht short time and she wanted 2500. I asked her if she thought this is reasonable and if thaimen pay the same sum? She understood that I was right but didn't really want to talk about it.

When it comes to tree town I can't understand why these places even are operating. The profit must either be very little or almost non-existent.

Soi Pothole:

I mostly went to Amons bar and a good experience there. Girls there are ok with 1000 baht ST. And meet one I was very happy with, I had her two times. Oterwise quality is low on soi pothole and the average age is 30-35+.

LK Metro bars:

Generally low quality and many girls are overweight. But there are a some exceptions. Didn't spend to much time here and ask about prices. I belive it can be had at reasonable levels.

LK Metro gogos:

Most of this bars have older women, 30-35+. The kind of women that was hot and sexy 10 years ago. Some are overweight and others are slim. Queens have undergone a deterioration in quality from my last visit in 2022. The only gogo in LK Metro that I think was good is Lady Love which had a few cuties and other girls that were ok. Lady love is the clear winner.

Walking street gogos:

I was surpirsed when I walked into Pin-up. Compared to when I was there in 2022 there had been a significant fall in quality. XS hade some cuties but also many average looking women where the only good thing is that they are not too old and slim. Overall the quality on walking street is very average, nothing special. And absolutly nothing that make it worth paying 160 Euros for cuming one time. No. Its a western european price for an average "product". Is this supposed to make people pay for intercontinental flights and then pay 160 euros for a fuck? Maybe there are some that do it but I just don't see this as being a viable business modell anymore. XS hade many visitors. Visitors in Pin-up is down. All others had few visitors. Mamasan in Tantra complained to me that they have no customers.

The only exception is Palace agogo that had many visitors (all asian) and many cute and beautiful women.

Soi 6:

What I first noticed is three things:

1. Not many visitors compared to the number of bars and number of girls working in the bars.

2. Starting price seems to be some sort of reflexive value of 2000 baht (exlusive the barfine).

3. Many more koreans now that when I have been there before.

The thing with this talk about 2000 baht is that this can in some cases be negotiated down. I payed 1000 to one average looking, 1200 to another average looking and 1500 to a sexy and cute girl. Some go down in price but others stand firm at 2000. The ones that stand firm on 2000 seem to look at is as something completly natural. I ask one girl if thais themselves really pay that? She just smiled and avoided eye contact. I asked other girls if koreans ever negotiate the price, they told me that koreans never do that. I also saw examples of koreans walking around and then barfining the cutest girls long time. I also asked many girls how mnay drinks that have gotten during the evening. It seems to me that few girls get thier drink quatas of five or six drinks. So there seems to be a lack of customers.[/QUOTE]This is a rather depressing report, but there must still be something really good about Pattaya? I have been to BKK at least a dozen times, and I always have a great time. I mostly pull from TF and Nana, althogh in the pre COVID era I was really into clubs like Insanity. Things have changed, of course, but things are always changing (I get a little tired about complaints that Thailand is not like it was 20 years ago when I was earning $15,000 a year).

I have decided to give Pattaya two days when I visit in January, and all I really care about is getting some GFE from a beautiful woman. I have my price point, like everyone else, but I am not going to be worrying about a few thousand baht. So, what would you experienced mongerers recommend? Should I stick to gentleman's clubs, since unlike the go-gos, recent reports here are generally favorable? I can always arrange TF girls, but it's hard to screen these for GFE in advance. Shall I try an escort agency? Or should I just stay in BKK and do my usual thing there, which is always satisfying. I am uncertain what is now thought to be the best experience in Pattaya.

By the way, I understand the complaints about the Koreans pushing us Europeans / Americans out of the way, but I have not had much of a problem finding companionship despite this trend.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2931295]This is a rather depressing report, but there must still be something really good about Pattaya? I have been to BKK at least a dozen times, and I always have a great time. I mostly pull from TF and Nana, althogh in the pre COVID era I was really into clubs like Insanity. Things have changed, of course, but things are always changing (I get a little tired about complaints that Thailand is not like it was 20 years ago when I was earning $15,000 a year).

I have decided to give Pattaya two days when I visit in January, and all I really care about is getting some GFE from a beautiful woman. I have my price point, like everyone else, but I am not going to be worrying about a few thousand baht. So, what would you experienced mongerers recommend? Should I stick to gentleman's clubs, since unlike the go-gos, recent reports here are generally favorable? I can always arrange TF girls, but it's hard to screen these for GFE in advance. Shall I try an escort agency? Or should I just stay in BKK and do my usual thing there, which is always satisfying. I am uncertain what is now thought to be the best experience in Pattaya.

By the way, I understand the complaints about the Koreans pushing us Europeans / Americans out of the way, but I have not had much of a problem finding companionship despite this trend.[/QUOTE]I have been to both recently. You can find what you want fairly easily. Probably will cost up to 5 k baht, but if you search the gogos and beer bars, I would be surprised if you can't find a 8/10 who will give GFE service. Personally I prefer Pattaya, but I can see how some people may prefer Bangkok. The sheer amount of girls and venues available is staggering. Most of the girls are smaller, slim, and cute but not all out curvy and sexy like the latinas.

There are absolutely no redeemable qualities about Pattaya. I strongly encourage everyone reading this to simply NOT come to Thailand. Or if you come avoid the "prostitution trash can of Thailand". [B]Full Stop[/B].

Just finished with Thai Friendly girl number 1 for the night. The second prettiest girl I've been with since I've been here. A true UTR with a real job and slanging that nasty thing on the side. Solid body, normal booty, be cups. Silky skin and one of the most beautiful faces I have seen since I've been here.

Foreplay; actually sucked dick good but does not like like to do it or precum; missionary; doggie; missionary for the finish. Had my penetrators run a criss cross pattern, flooded the zone and scored! Going to add here to my rotation of side chicks. [B]2000 THB[/B] Yes, ya mother fuckers, talk your mother fucking shit and write that fiction. I shall not get back to my regularly scheduled enjoyment of life in Pattaya.

Fuck one disgruntled punter. How many tourists visit Pattaya each year? I am complete comfortable consuming the content that everyone creates here. Those who don't like Pattaya or Thailand in general always have the option of simply not visiting here. In the mean time, I will continue to enjoy the wide selection of Thai girls that are willing to rent that pussy, mouth and ass to me at my desired price point.

[B]May the pussy be with you, always! [/B]

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2931295]This is a rather depressing report, but there must still be something really good about Pattaya? I have been to BKK at least a dozen times, and I always have a great time. I mostly pull from TF and Nana, althogh in the pre COVID era I was really into clubs like Insanity. Things have changed, of course, but things are always changing (I get a little tired about complaints that Thailand is not like it was 20 years ago when I was earning $15,000 a year).

I have decided to give Pattaya two days when I visit in January, and all I really care about is getting some GFE from a beautiful woman. I have my price point, like everyone else, but I am not going to be worrying about a few thousand baht. So, what would you experienced mongerers recommend? Should I stick to gentleman's clubs, since unlike the go-gos, recent reports here are generally favorable? I can always arrange TF girls, but it's hard to screen these for GFE in advance. Shall I try an escort agency? Or should I just stay in BKK and do my usual thing there, which is always satisfying. I am uncertain what is now thought to be the best experience in Pattaya.

By the way, I understand the complaints about the Koreans pushing us Europeans / Americans out of the way, but I have not had much of a problem finding companionship despite this trend. [/QUOTE]

For those who complain about women in Pattaya being older and less sexy, first off, that's always been the case. Women who come to work in Pattaya do so for a reason: typically, it's because their Thai husband has run away, or they were let go from their factory because they are over 35. Very few young women with no kids just show up in Pattaya, and that has always been true.

But. What is different now is the number of rich guys, Farangs and Koreans, who come to Pattaya, and take out the top 1% of the ladies, by paying them top dollar.

It's so bad now that I know a 45 year old lady who has been taken up by some lonely guy who gave her 1 million baht to leave her Thai husband. Imagine what the 20 year old are getting.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2931302]There are absolutely no redeemable qualities about Pattaya. I strongly encourage everyone reading this to simply NOT come to Thailand. Or if you come avoid the "prostitution trash can of Thailand". [B]Full Stop[/B].

Just finished with Thai Friendly girl number 1 for the night. The second prettiest girl I've been with since I've been here. A true UTR with a real job and slanging that nasty thing on the side. Solid body, normal booty, be cups. Silky skin and one of the most beautiful faces I have seen since I've been here.

Foreplay; actually sucked dick good but does not like like to do it or precum; missionary; doggie; missionary for the finish. Had my penetrators run a criss cross pattern, flooded the zone and scored! Going to add here to my rotation of side chicks. [B]2000 THB[/B] Yes, ya mother fuckers, talk your mother fucking shit and write that fiction. I shall not get back to my regularly scheduled enjoyment of life in Pattaya.

Fuck one disgruntled punter. How many tourists visit Pattaya each year? I am complete comfortable consuming the content that everyone creates here. Those who don't like Pattaya or Thailand in general always have the option of simply not visiting here. In the mean time, I will continue to enjoy the wide selection of Thai girls that are willing to rent that pussy, mouth and ass to me at my desired price point.

[B]May the pussy be with you, always! [/B][/QUOTE]I love your reports SubCmdr. They are informative and interesting. Keep posting!

Don't let the bad reports distract you!

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2931320]For those who complain about women in Pattaya being older and less sexy, first off, that's always been the case. Women who come to work in Pattaya do so for a reason: typically, it's because their Thai husband has run away, or they were let go from their factory because they are over 35. Very few young women with no kids just show up in Pattaya, and that has always been true.

But. What is different now is the number of rich guys, Farangs and Koreans, who come to Pattaya, and take out the top 1% of the ladies, by paying them top dollar.

It's so bad now that I know a 45 year old lady who has been taken up by some lonely guy who gave her 1 million baht to leave her Thai husband. Imagine what the 20 year old are getting.[/QUOTE]The average age is way up from where it used to be. And this talk that girls are earning tons of money is not true. I talked to many and they have difficulties even getting thier drink quotas. Some told me"this is the first drink of the the day"(that I bought them). Even cute ones.

The deterioration of Pattaya is for real. It can not be hidden. People are not going to travel across the world to have sex witha 45-year old overweight lady. Thats just insane. The current Pattaya does not really hold up and have drifted far from were it once was.

You can go there and find reasonable prices and ok quality, but its not like it used to be. Bar areas were not fully staffed with 40+ lades or overweight women 10-15 yars ago.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2931091]I recently was in Pattaya for nine days. Let me sum up my experience.

When it comes to quality and prices Pattaya has deteriorated a lot from where it used to be. Pattaya is a sort of prostitution trash can of Thailand. Not all of the women but after looking through Tree town or Myth Night I can't really come to any other conclusion. When it comes to prices you will mostly have to negotiate if you want good prices.[/QUOTE]Granted, this is low season. And as has been discussed at length here the Naughty Boy scene has seen structural changes since COVID -- specifically an influx of customers who are content to drink in places like Tree Town and Myth Night. But this is a depressing report. Here's hoping things get better in the fall when high season starts.

You are welcome [B]MassageLover81[/B].

I have not visited the Pattaya that some people are writing about. But how can I? If the Pattaya of today is being compared to the Pattaya yester-decade how can I. It does not exist anymore. Passage of time tends to do that. So does fond memories of the glory days. I don't know the Pattaya of the past. The Thai Friendly girl I posted about is 21. LOL! Every girl being 45+ and overweight. Not where I roam. LOL!

Even the one girl I bar fined from a beer bar on Soi Tree Town was 40, slim sexy hot and performed well. Let me blow splooge in her mouf. [B]1000 THB[/B]. So, I understand if the places that people are used to looking are not up to their specifications from 10 years ago. My body, health, weigh and stamina is not up the my preferred specifications from 10 years ago, I get it.

I can say that about places I know also (Dominican Republic). Does not mean that right now there are not plenty of opportunities available to those willing to look. I find plenty of girls that I find attractive on [B]Beach Road[/B], Gentleman's Clubs, Naughty massage places and Thai Friendly. Age does not bother me that much. I keep my focus on the deal and not the girl.

I am also not here telling anyone that girls on [B]Beach Road[/B] are equal to TopTier Agogos on Walking Street. You are also not paying 1000 - 2000 THB bar fine and 3000 - 5000 THB Short Time to a girl on [B]Beach Road[/B] either. But if I had private banking and wiped my ass with 20's maybe I would roll like that also. But I am do not. Not hating. One of the great things about Pattaya is that it offers everything to everyone. To each their own.

How you going to come to Pattaya during low season and then complain that it is slow? Hello? [B]LOL![/B].

Anyone who wants to find fault can find fault. What is inexcusable are those that return after a bad experience. Why don't they find someplace that works better for them? Better yet, report on it. Come back and say hey this place is better than Pattaya! Personally I am cool with that. But I am also here to tell you that the negative Pattaya reports that I read don't resemble anything close to what I experience here in Pattaya on a daily basis. My experiences do not invalidate anyone else's.

[QUOTE=MassageLover81;2931335]I love your reports SubCmdr. They are informative and interesting. Keep posting!

Don't let the bad reports distract you![/QUOTE]Nah, never brother. I just keep on keeping on. It frustrates some people but I am still waiting for someone to point out factually incorrect information that I have posted.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2931302]Those who don't like Pattaya or Thailand in general always have the option of simply not visiting here[/QUOTE]Couldn't agree more. So many guys on here bad mouth Pattaya and Thailand (and I do at times too) continuously yet they keep coming back! They will post they are having a crap time with ugly 40 year bar girls yet they return in 3 months! Don't come to Thailand! Then there are those who reminisce about the Good Old days 20+ years ago yet are still in Thailand! I believe it was Goats who responded once saying he was married and had to remain in Thailand (understandable) but I'm pretty damn sure many of the whiners are single men free to go wherever they want.

I laugh cause back around 2016 when guys used to whine about Thailand not being like the Good Old days I was preaching that the Good Old days were now in 2016 and they will look back in years to come and wish it were 2016 again. Well I was correct! And 8 years from now we will look back at 2024 and wish 2032 were like 2024 again!

They are still enough nice girls in Thailand. You just have to fish in the right waters and be willing to pay for them. Problem is most guys on here still want the hottest girls at lower level Star Ferry pricing.

Gogo girl prices in Pattaya have not increased since 2015! 3000 ST 5000 LT. The girls are paid the same. The increase are only on the bar's side where lady drinks and barfines have doubled or more.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2931357]The average age is way up from where it used to be. And this talk that girls are earning tons of money is not true. I talked to many and they have difficulties even getting thier drink quotas. Some told me"this is the first drink of the the day"(that I bought them). Even cute ones.

The deterioration of Pattaya is for real. It can not be hidden. People are not going to travel across the world to have sex witha 45-year old overweight lady. Thats just insane. The current Pattaya does not really hold up and have drifted far from were it once was.

You can go there and find reasonable prices and ok quality, but its not like it used to be. Bar areas were not fully staffed with 40+ lades or overweight women 10-15 yars ago.[/QUOTE]Do you think a Thai bar girl will tell you "congratulations, you are my number 5ST of the day? Ask any girl who doesn't know you yet and "I have arrived here one month ago".

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2931378]......Then there are those who reminisce about the Good Old days 20+ years ago yet are still in Thailand! .......[/QUOTE]20+ years ago girls were skinnier, cheaper, more GFE and not so money hungry and there was less competition from guys of other nationalities. Still in Thailand? Because in spite of its drawbacks, its still the best.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2931380]Do you think a Thai bar girl will tell you "congratulations, you are my number 5ST of the day? Ask any girl who doesn't know you yet and "I have arrived here one month ago".[/QUOTE]I was at several places and it was not very busy. Sat in Ladylove a long time and did maybe see one girl get a barfine.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2931365]You are welcome [B]MassageLover81[/B].

I have not visited the Pattaya that some people are writing about. But how can I? If the Pattaya of today is being compared to the Pattaya yester-decade how can I. It does not exist anymore. Passage of time tends to do that. So does fond memories of the glory days. I don't know the Pattaya of the past. The Thai Friendly girl I posted about is 21. LOL! Every girl being 45+ and overweight. Not where I roam. LOL!

Even the one girl I bar fined from a beer bar on Soi Tree Town was 40, slim sexy hot and performed well. Let me blow splooge in her mouf. [B]1000 THB[/B]. So, I understand if the places that people are used to looking are not up to their specifications from 10 years ago. My body, health, weigh and stamina is not up the my preferred specifications from 10 years ago, I get it.

I can say that about places I know also (Dominican Republic). Does not mean that right now there are not plenty of opportunities available to those willing to look. I find plenty of girls that I find attractive on [B]Beach Road[/B], Gentleman's Clubs, Naughty massage places and Thai Friendly. Age does not bother me that much. I keep my focus on the deal and not the girl.

I am also not here telling anyone that girls on [B]Beach Road[/B] are equal to TopTier Agogos on Walking Street. You are also not paying 1000 - 2000 THB bar fine and 3000 - 5000 THB Short Time to a girl on [B]Beach Road[/B] either. But if I had private banking and wiped my ass with 20's maybe I would roll like that also. But I am do not. Not hating. One of the great things about Pattaya is that it offers everything to everyone. To each their own. [B]LOL![/B].

Anyone who wants to find fault can find fault. What is inexcusable are those that return after a bad experience. Why don't they find someplace that works better for them? Better yet, report on it. Come back and say hey this place is better than Pattaya! Personally I am cool with that. But I am also here to tell you that the negative Pattaya reports that I read don't resemble anything close to what I experience here in Pattaya on a daily basis. My experiences do not invalidate anyone else's.

Nah, never brother. I just keep on keeping on. It frustrates some people but I am still waiting for someone to point out factually incorrect information that I have posted.[/QUOTE]As I said in my report, I did not pay to much and had a good time. But in generell I can't say that what I see or experience is very good. As I said, large part of tree town, myth night soi 8 etc is more or less just a trash can. I can't imagine people paying to travel there and go with a 45 year old overwight. This can not really draw in the amount of tourists needed.

When it comes to walking street "stunners" or "top-tier". There is few of them. Most gogos don't have them. The only gogo that impressed me was Palace agogo. Thats it. Around 80 % of the rest of gogo staff on walking street is imo average looking. Its the kind of girls that 10 years ago would work in beer bars.

I am not picky, I am ok with the average girl as long as she is not fat. I had two 40 year olds when I was over.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2931359]Granted, this is low season. And as has been discussed at length here the Naughty Boy scene has seen structural changes since COVID -- specifically an influx of customers who are content to drink in places like Tree Town and Myth Night. But this is a depressing report. Here's hoping things get better in the fall when high season starts.[/QUOTE]We will see if there is just a huge influx of tourists coming over in December loaded up with cash to spend. Sorry, I don't think so. But we will see.

This is my first time in Thailand, but I can easily imagine what Thailand was at its peak. All that being said, Pattaya has something for everyone if you have the time and money. If you hunt through the Soi 6 bars, you can find some real gems at decent prices- buy a few drinks, bar fine, and 2500 baht for the girl, 500 baht for the room and its boom boom time. All in, with Taxi, its about 5000 baht. Thats about 150 bucks USD or so. Would be way cool if it was half the price, but hey we are getting paid more than we were 10 or 20 years ago too.

My biggest problem with Thailand is my love for Latinas. The Thai women are great and give very good GFE and are a pleasure, but at the end of the day, the Latinas of South America and Mexico will always reign supreme. What blows me away is there are just so many venues and options in Pattaya and Bangkok. Walking down Soi 6 for the first time or walking into Nana Plaza is mongering on Steroids.

On Soi 6, the girls literally tackle you and pull you into the bar. They straight up run pee wee football style plays on you. Two girls will block you from the front like linemen and another girl will drive you in from the side into the bar. Once in the bar, the girls flank in from the side and seal the entrance off. I am not exaggerating either. The first time I was hit, I thought it was an aggressive street merchant and it startled me and triggered my fight response and I turned around ready to curse the guy out until I realized it was a fucking crazy bar girl, I was still so angry I yelled at her for hitting me so hard. After a few moments I realized she was doing it playfully and it was kind of the thing to do on the 6, but I was still kind of shaken up by it as it caught me off guard.

Walking Street is really cool as well with some very high end gogos. Some of the girls in there are about as hot as a Thai girl can be, but I hear the prices are probably at least 5000 baht ST just for the girl. I haven't pulled from Walking Street yet so I don't know the exact pricing and there are some very cute girls on Soi 6 and they also have rooms above the bar, so that has been my main hunting ground. I was going to check out the Russian Bar on Walking Street but the beers alone were 300 Baht, so I said fuck that, but I may return just to check the place out. Tree Town is a really cool set up, but it has many girls in the 5-6 range with some scattered 7's. Women in their mid 30's and a little chunky. Not women you would want to travel 30 hours to fuck. If you search through the place, there would have to some gems I would imagine though. There are dozens of bars in Tree Town, its a huge place. But, here is the thing about Pattaya I have noticed, there are beer bars all over the city. Almost everywhere is a beer bar. In each beer bar, there will be at least one very hot girl either late 20's or early 30's, but still very sexy and easily attainable at a decent price and gives great GFE service. If I am not at Soi 6, then I m usually at a random beer bar trying to get the one hottie in the bar. It usually ends up being a very fun time.

Here is quick run down of how I would rate the main spots in Pattaya.

For young guys in their 20's: Just hit the regular clubs up or TF, no need for P2 P, but if you do go that route, you will only want the high end girls from Walking Street. I would imagine most guys in their 20's don't have the money to travel and ball out yet, but hey if they do, god bless them.

For Guys in their 30's and 40's: In my opinion this is the best age to come to Pattaya. All venues except the very hottest girls on Walking Street will be available to you and even they are avail just maybe without GFE and will charge more short time. I am basing that off some of my experience in Bangkok. My personal favorite would be the Soi 6 gogos and bars and that is what I would recommend. Like I stated earlier, some gems can be found in the random beer bars all around Pattaya and if you have the time and money to hunt them down, it can be fun. Most beers bar girls, you won't want to bang though.

For guys in their 50's and up: Can probably still hit Soi 6 up, but hunting the beer bars is where I would imagine you will have the most success. Some of the beer bar girls aren't bad, just have to weed through and find the gems. Tree Town would probably be the best hunting spot for this group.

Beach Road: I wouldn't recommend anyone to pull a girl from beach road just to save a bar fine. Maybe 1 out of 10 girls on beach road even look decent enough to fuck,[blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] Personally with so many safer options in Pattaya, I would skip beach road all together.

Only major spot in Pattaya I have not hit up yet is LK Metro, I hear LK Metro is similar to Walking Street though.

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[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2931488]This is my first time in Thailand, but I can easily imagine what Thailand was at its peak. All that being said, Pattaya has something for everyone if you have the time and money. If you hunt through the Soi 6 bars, you can find some real gems at decent prices- buy a few drinks, bar fine, and 2500 baht for the girl, 500 baht for the room and its boom boom time. All in, with Taxi, its about 5000 baht. Thats about 150 bucks USD or so. Would be way cool if it was half the price, but hey we are getting paid more than we were 10 or 20 years ago too.[/QUOTE]When I was there in 2022 most girls on soi 6 was happy with 1000-1200 for ST in one of the roms upstairs. I see you talk about USD and figure you're an american. Everything seem cheap to you because the us dollar is right now record strong. And prices are inflated in the US. Its not really that cheap. But 2500-3000 for LT a girl on soi 6 is ok.

I love it when people go somewhere once then think they are an expert on the place.

2500ST as a standard price for ST on Soi 6 is crazy. Most people say the hottest ones ask for 2 k now but can usually be bargained down. No wonder the prices keep going up if people keep paying crazy prices, you can't blame the girls for taking it.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2931488]If you hunt through the Soi 6 bars, you can find some real gems at decent prices- buy a few drinks, bar fine, and 2500 baht for the girl, 500 baht for the room and its boom boom time. All in, with Taxi, its about 5000 baht. Thats about 150 bucks USD or so. Would be way cool if it was half the price, but hey we are getting paid more than we were 10 or 20 years ago too.[/QUOTE]2. 5 K is too much for 99% of the girls on soi 6, you should be able to get almost any of them at 2 K max.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2931488]On Soi 6, the girls literally tackle you and pull you into the bar. They straight up run pee wee football style plays on you. Two girls will block you from the front like linemen and another girl will drive you in from the side into the bar. Once in the bar, the girls flank in from the side and seal the entrance off. I am not exaggerating either.[/QUOTE]These are mostly the less desirable girls of the soi. They are not pretty enough (or interresting enough) to genuinely attract a customer, so they use this technique to get customers who don't know anything about the place or weak men. I would suggets you don't go with girls using this approach and you'll find better quality girls in the soi (There are many but compared to the uge number of girls working in the soi, they make a small percentage).

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2931488]Beach Road: I wouldn't recommend anyone to pull a girl from beach road just to save a bar fine. Maybe 1 out of 10 girls on beach road even look decent enough to fuck, but these girls are probably the girls with STDS who can't get work in the bar or maybe tend to be shady and steal from customers. Personally with so many safer options in Pattaya, I would skip beach road all together..[/QUOTE]Many members are disagreeing with this opinion.

These thoughts of beach road girls having std is mostly spread by people working the same business than these girls but who cannot compete against their prices, so they talk bulshit about them to give them less credibility.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2931488]Only major spot in Pattaya I have not hit up yet is LK Metro, I hear LK Metro is similiar to Walking Street though.[/QUOTE]I'll save you some time, you won't see a single good looking girl there.

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[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2931547]When I was there in 2022 most girls on soi 6 was happy with 1000-1200 for ST in one of the roms upstairs. I see you talk about USD and figure you're an american. Everything seem cheap to you because the us dollar is right now record strong. And prices are inflated in the US. Its not really that cheap. But 2500-3000 for LT a girl on soi 6 is ok.[/QUOTE]I have been drinking hard at the 6 LOL, I may have inflated the prices a bit. I think its 2 k ST starting price. To be honest I haven't haggled that price as it's within the budget I set for myself. Rooms are about 300-500 baht for the hour. When I stated 5 k baht, I mean't including your drinks and drinks for the girl. I have several drinks with each girl I take and they are anywhere from 100-200 baht each. So for a night of fun on Soi 6, plan to spend 5 k baht is what I meant. You can definitely go cheaper than that if you have to though. Cheers mate.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2931488]My biggest problem with Thailand is my love for Latinas. The Thai women are great and give very good GFE and are a pleasure, but at the end of the day, the Latinas of South America and Mexico will always reign supreme. What blows me away is there are just so many venues and options in Pattaya and Bangkok. Walking down Soi 6 for the first time or walking into Nana Plaza is mongering on Steroids.[/QUOTE]I share your love of Latinas.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2931488]For guys in their 50's and up: Can probably still hit Soi 6 up, but hunting the beer bars is where I would imagine you will have the most success. Some of the beer bar girls aren't bad, just have to weed through and find the gems. Tree Town would probably be the best hunting spot for this group.[/QUOTE]I am in this age category. I completely disagree with your advice. But this is your first time to Thailand. That means that you don't know what you don't know.

I did not see a mention of a single Gentleman's Club or Blow Job Bar / Club. In your report. I am not going to speculate as to why, but I am pleased to inform you that in my opinion those are quality venues for girls that are just a "a little older". There are many posts about the various Gentleman's Clubs about town. I have made some of them.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2931488]Beach Road: I wouldn't recommend anyone to pull a girl from beach road just to save a bar fine. Maybe 1 out of 10 girls on beach road even look decent enough to fuck, [b]but these girls are probably the girls with STDS[/b] who can't get work in the bar or maybe tend to be shady and steal from customers. Personally with so many safer options in Pattaya, I would skip beach road all together.[/QUOTE]The part that I emphasized in bold: is that your opinion? If so let me provide some information so during your next visit to Thailand you can have a more informed opinion. I have found the girls of [B]Beach Road[/B] to be some of the most stringent at requiring the use of condoms. No cum in mouth, no cum in face, maybe cum on the body. That has not been the case with girls I find from other sources here in Pattaya. About half will take it bare as normal service in the price quote or ask for 500 - 1000 more. Half! Many more than that offer to let me splooge in their mouf. I would say only about a quarter are "condom only, no cum in my mouth" girls. I don't make unsolicited recommendations to other men about how to spend their money or who to fuck.

[B]Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but not their own facts[/B]

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2929140]$14 for ST is wild. You can't even get a meal for that much in the states anymore.[/QUOTE]On the other hand, you can still get a meal for $1 most places in Thailand.

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[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2931553]I love it when people go somewhere once then think they are an expert on the place.[/QUOTE]Absolutely agree. Guys going to a place like Pattaya or Jakarta for a week or 3 and think they know more than I do. They even recommend me places to go like I've never been multiple times.

I've been to Bangkok 30+ times over the years and still concede to guys who live there like EihTooms, Goatscot, and HoustonPlayer on their knowledge. May not always agree but I'll be respectful as shat if I am responding to them.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2931357]The average age is way up from where it used to be. And this talk that girls are earning tons of money is not true. I talked to many and they have difficulties even getting thier drink quotas. Some told me"this is the first drink of the the day"(that I bought them). Even cute ones.

The deterioration of Pattaya is for real. It can not be hidden. People are not going to travel across the world to have sex witha 45-year old overweight lady. Thats just insane. The current Pattaya does not really hold up and have drifted far from were it once was.

You can go there and find reasonable prices and ok quality, but its not like it used to be. Bar areas were not fully staffed with 40+ lades or overweight women 10-15 yars ago.[/QUOTE]Where's the new spot now for actual hot young women in SEA? Indonesia? I was planning a return trip to Pattaya this year (last trip in 2010) but now I'm reconsidering. LOL.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2931357]The average age is way up from where it used to be. And this talk that girls are earning tons of money is not true. I talked to many and they have difficulties even getting thier drink quotas. Some told me"this is the first drink of the the day"(that I bought them). Even cute ones.

The deterioration of Pattaya is for real. It can not be hidden. People are not going to travel across the world to have sex witha 45-year old overweight lady. Thats just insane. The current Pattaya does not really hold up and have drifted far from were it once was.

You can go there and find reasonable prices and ok quality, but its not like it used to be. Bar areas were not fully staffed with 40+ lades or overweight women 10-15 yars ago.[/QUOTE]If you go to the very earliest pages in this topic, 20 years ago, you will find posts complaining about the state of Pattaya in 2005: "it's not as good as it was in the Old Days".

Pattaya hasn't changed, *you* have changed. The first time you came to Pattaya, you were impressed by the number of young ladies. The next time you came, you were a little pickier. Shampoo, rinse, repeat. And now you are looking for pearls among the swine.

It's basic human nature.

I remember 2004 in Pattaya very well. Lots of overweight ladies with tattoos.

20 year old, banging body, all tatted up? Yes! Foreplay? Yes! She is playing with my dick; commenting on my size. Sucks a good dick but too short; maybe my size made her mouth tired; Just enough to get me hard. Time for her to mount up. She is having some trouble getting me in. Do you need a shoehorn baby? Just grab the lube on the night stand. She lubes me up and herself. Cowgirl, Doggie, missionary legs up, missionary straddle leading to a very wet very satisfying experience. [B]1100 THB[/B]. Oh let the hating begin mother fuckers!

[B]The Cmdr is in Pattaya reporting, not talking shit about others[/B]

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Hi Guys,

I am visiting Pattaya next week. Can any good soul suggest some good BJ bars in Pattaya. I want to have only great BJ so which are the good BJ bars in Pattaya?

Thanks in Advance.

[QUOTE=Chupacabra;2931673]Where's the new spot now for actual hot young women in SEA? Indonesia? I was planning a return trip to Pattaya this year (last trip in 2010) but now I'm reconsidering. LOL.[/QUOTE]Yes you should reconsider. Pattaya dead, busted full of 40+ girls overweight and ugly. Look at the tourist numbers and tell me how many agree or disagree.

My friends are coming to Pattaya. Oh, Indonesia is on my list. But the idea of Pattaya no longer being a quality destination to hire prostitutes, not buying it. But, DOWHATCHALIKE and make sure you go where you are treated best.

[B]I am treated best right here in Pattaya, Thailand![/B]

[QUOTE=PleasureOf69;2931892]Hi Guys,

I am visiting Pattaya next week. Can any good soul suggest some good BJ bars in Pattaya. I want to have only great BJ so which are the good BJ bars in Pattaya?

Thanks in Advance.[/QUOTE]Gentleman clubs will do the job for you. Search here for that. Club excite is one of them, club Babylon too, La Poste. And so on.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2931930]Why do thousands and thousands of girls work in the bars and only a few dozen patrol beach road at night? The answer for all you Pattaya experts out there is quite simple, its the "customer".[/QUOTE]The thousands and thousands of girls that work in the bars are from other places and came solo to work in bars. Many even live in the bars where they work.

Most Beach Road girls are from Pattaya and have other jobs and family to go home to. You will see a lot of Beach Road girls with a motorbike parked across the street. You are not going to see many bargirls with motorbikes.

A couple of reasons for ladies over 35 to come to Pattaya:

Factories in Thailand don't like to employ women over 35. So, once a woman hits that magic age, her job is on thin ice. Once fired, she heads for Pattaya.

Starting a few years back, large numbers of young bar girls married old Farangs, and lived them to death. In many cases, the old Farang's estate was penniless, leaving the now old bar girl with a house, but not much more. So, she goes to work in Pattaya.

(Accidentally posted this in the lounge chat so putting it in here now).

I'll summarize my post by just saying that Pattaya wasn't really my cup of tea. For others it will be though so to each their own. I'll explain why and maybe my circumstances will resonate with some and you can adjust your game plan as needed. Had 6 days in BKK and so decided to spend 2 of them down in Pattaya. First of:

Logistics: travelling from BKK to Pattaya was a breeze. Catch the BTS to the Ekkamai stop and the Ekkamai Bus station is right there. Loads of bus choices to get down to pattaya but I went with the larger blue coach (roong reangg or something like that) and the ticket was 131 baht. The sign at the window tells you what time bus you're buying your ticket for along with your seat number. Trip about 2 hours and took a grab from the north pattaya bus terminal to my hotel.

Hotel: Discovery beach hotel. Not sure why this isn't mentioned more. It's right next to Soi 6 and is nice enough with spacious, clean rooms. Closeness to soi 6 means that it's not close to walking street but just use the baht bus.

Getting around: baht bus for 10 baht on beach road to get you to walking street from soi 6 and also down to the soapies honey 2 and sabai Dee. The baht bus are those Ute type cars with a covered seating area in the back. The drivers will typically honk but you can also just raise your arm when you see one. They'll stop for you. Hop on the back and ride it. There's little buzzers in the back that you push when you want to get off and then you just walk up to the window and pay the 10 baht.

Walking street: If I would not have come from BKK before this I would probably be happy with walking street pattaya but the number of girls in the relatively small footprint of nana plaza BKK along with the quantity of young slim girls meant that I was ultimately disappointed with the gogos here. Windmill girls were poor, however after buying the only one I found somewhat cute, a 22 year old with beautiful natural tits a drink and then commencing to stick my tongue down her throat I did leave somewhat happy but not someone I would want to go st with. Visited a couple other gogos (palace and one other I don't recall name) the quality wasn't as amazing as what I was hoping for. Girls were still cute but I felt the nana plaza gogos just had more girls that were more my type. But as mentioned it may be fine for you and again a girl in palace I also had my tongue down her throat but I wanted to ST or LT one of the tiny girls I saw on Soi 6 so ultimately I didn't Barfine any of them.

Soi6: I wanted to like soi6 I really did. I've been checking YouTube videos and thinking about this place forever so to finally be there was amazing. I found the girls cute. There's a mix of all sizes and ages. My preference is the tiny, slim short ones and there were plenty there. But then there's the hassle part of soi6. I found that all I had to do was literally look at a girl and she'the be over grabbing, pulling, almost wrestling me in. After 1 or 2 times it's kind of fun but then for it to happen consistently the whole entire street just becomes tiring. Like seriously just let me look. I wanted to just walk down the street and choose a few girls to come back to but I realized that this was not going to be that easy. I eventually settled on one who also when I looked at her ran over to me and hugged me but for this one it was okay as I wanted to go sit with her anyways. But then it became annoying again because that bright, bubbly, smily girl suddenly changed to a solemn, down and out girl once I bought her a drink and she started to tell me about how she needs money for her kid, and blah blah blah. So after the drink I end it but I do swap WhatsApp info. I eventually settled on one cute slim girl from avarice but again in trying to get to her I had to battle my way through 2 overweight girls of which one just planted herself with us so I felt obligated to buy both the tiny, slim one and the bigger girl a drink. Anyways, first world problems I get it as the drinks are cheap but it was just a lot of hassle.

The next day I was hoping to get some action at the soapies. So at about 4 pm I checked out Sabai Dee and Honey 2 as they are right next to each other and easy to get to on the baht bus from the discovery hotel. I was disappointed. In both places I found the girls to just be older and relatively thick. No slim, young ones there at all. I couldn't even figure out why the 2 girls that were in the higher priced "model" class were even considered hot. At most they were pushing mid 30's with not the greatest bodies but again there were plenty of guys in there that seemed to be good with it so to each their own.

After walking back down soi 6 and breathing in a massive amount of that sewer smell that's right on the corner of the road and then being wrestled by 2 not my type girls I just kind of had enough. I found BKK to be easier and just as plentiful without the hassle so I checked out early and caught the bus back to BKK and banged a tiny little thing from Mango Massage. I think I need to come back to PAttaya but I need to be better prepped for the hassle that comes with it.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2931908]Yes you should reconsider. Pattaya dead, busted full of 40+ girls overweight and ugly. Look at the tourist numbers and tell me how many agree or disagree.

My friends are coming to Pattaya. Oh, Indonesia is on my list. But the idea of Pattaya no longer being a quality destination to hire prostitutes, not buying it. But, DOWHATCHALIKE and make sure you go where you are treated best.

[B]I am treated best right here in Pattaya, Thailand![/B][/QUOTE]Some people will complain about anything.

If I was in Pattaya, I could get on TF and have a virtually endless supply of 18-24 yo girls straight to my hotel. That's without even leaving the hotel!

What's to complain about.

Previously Deleted by [B]EverythingThai[/B]. (see attachment).

[B]How the Cmdr rolls[/B]

ATF arrives and announces that the time has come for me to purchase her a new phone. Not a problem I say. Which phone do you want? She tells me that she does not know, wants to goto the store and look she can pick one out.

The Cmdr says let's roll. The Cmdr calls for his car to pick us up. My driver arrives at my building and we mount up! Arrive at the cell phone store. She looks at the phones and picks two of them. She has me actively involved in the selection of the phone the color and other items. She asks if I am ok with her selection. I am and I hook her up. The transaction is complete and data transferred to her new phone and we are off. Stop by the business that puts the custom protection on the phone. Chill while they complete that work.

She wants some new tennis shoes. Yep, the The Cmdr can do that. She picks out a pair that she likes. Tries them on. They fit and look good on her. The purchase is made.

Then off to dinner. Nice dinner with more food than should be eaten in one sitting. The evening is not over yet. We are off to the Bus Bar. So, funny about all the speculation on something that anyone can find at any time if it exists or not. I wonder what kind of personality deficiency is in the individuals engaged in that speculation?

Drinks at the Bus Bar are ordered and enjoyed in the open aire facility along with the crowd vibe and the sights. Drinks complete and it is time to return to the room. ATF has work tomorrow so she needs to get some sleep. We call it a night early. Do I have to get into the activities that occur in the bed? Nah, I don't need to do that. She is ATF after all and for number of VERY good reasons.

Bolt to and from: 200 THB.

New Smart Phone: 14000 THB.

Glass Protection: 1000 THB.

New Tennis Shoes: 3800 THB.

Dinner for Two: 900 THB.

Drinks at the Bus Bar: 500.

Total: 20,400 THB Exactly!

Breaking it off in the ass of my haters who say I am broke, busted and lying: [B]Priceless![/B].

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2924807]
Damage for this night. Rounded up.

2 cigars=2400 baht.

1st hour= 7500 Baht.

2nd hour= 2500 baht.

3rd hour=800 Baht.

Snacks and fruit=1000 Baht.

Try of tequilas = 1500 baht.

The girl=10,000 baht LT.

Total=25,700 Baht approx from my foggy memory.

Then I had the 5 bottle package with two bottles left.

22,000 baht 5 bottle package paid in advance before. So, if you want to average that out to add the cost of two bottles into the night, be my guest. I'm lazy now to do that.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2931675]If you go to the very earliest pages in this topic, 20 years ago, you will find posts complaining about the state of Pattaya in 2005: "it's not as good as it was in the Old Days".

Pattaya hasn't changed, *you* have changed. .[/QUOTE]Couldn't agree more.

[QUOTE=AlfonsoDavies;2931142]I hope my question is ok because I don't say too much: Does someone know a woman named Alisa or Arisa with a playboy tattoo on her leg?[/QUOTE]Yes, I know 8.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2932204]Previously Deleted by [B]EverythingThai[/B]. (see attachment).

[B]How the Cmdr rolls[/B]

ATF arrives and announces that the time has come for me to purchase her a new phone. Not a problem I say. Which phone do you want? She tells me that she does not know, wants to goto the store and look she can pick one out.

The Cmdr says let's roll. The Cmdr calls for his car to pick us up. My driver arrives at my building and we mount up! Arrive at the cell phone store. She looks at the phones and picks two of them. She has me actively involved in the selection of the phone the color and other items. She asks if I am ok with her selection. I am and I hook her up. The transaction is complete and data transferred to her new phone and we are off. Stop by the business that puts the custom protection on the phone. Chill while they complete that work.

She wants some new tennis shoes. Yep, the The Cmdr can do that. She picks out a pair that she likes. Tries them on. They fit and look good on her. The purchase is made.

Then off to dinner. Nice dinner with more food than should be eaten in one sitting. The evening is not over yet. We are off to the Bus Bar. So, funny about all the speculation on something that anyone can find at any time if it exists or not. I wonder what kind of personality deficiency is in the individuals engaged in that speculation?

Drinks at the Bus Bar are ordered and enjoyed in the open aire facility along with the crowd vibe and the sights. Drinks complete and it is time to return to the room. ATF has work tomorrow so she needs to get some sleep. We call it a night early. Do I have to get into the activities that occur in the bed? Nah, I don't need to do that. She is ATF after all and for number of VERY good reasons.

Bolt to and from: 200 THB.

New Smart Phone: 14000 THB.

Glass Protection: 1000 THB.

New Tennis Shoes: 3800 THB.

Dinner for Two: 900 THB.

Drinks at the Bus Bar: 500.

Total: 20,400 THB Exactly!

Breaking it off in the ass of my haters who say I am broke, busted and lying: [B]Priceless![/B].[/QUOTE]Sounds like a good deal to me since by definition ATF means the best!

I'm curious, I understand paying for meals, movies etc. But how often does she expect you to buy more expensive gifts like phone or tennis shoes?

Is this for special occasions like birthday or celebrations? Or does she expect it almost every time you see her?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2932107]Pattaya did not end up being my cup of tea

I think I need to come back to PAttaya but I need to be better prepped for the hassle that comes with it.[/QUOTE]Pattaya isn't for everyone. One thing overlooked by many in their reviews is what you pointed out. The stench of raw sewage hitting you at random drainage sewers around the city. Wearing a mask did have some advantages. You seem to have had a blast at Mango in BKK. On your next short trip why change something that works for you. Just stay in Bangkok. I'd be surprised if anyone has ever said "I went to Windmill and the girls were hot". Palace can have its off nights but it isn't how it was even a year ago. You may have hit it on an off night or that style of girls is not for you. I am curious to hear which Nana gogo bars you liked.

I mentioned her job she had to get up for. She works for a legitimate business. It is like any other regular relationship I have had. Just way more modern and with a better attitude.

I wrote the report the way I did to poke fun at my critics. I offered to buy her a phone months ago. According to some it was "a cheap" phone. They prefer to spend hundreds of dollar in one night on a prostitute. [B] DOWHATCHALIKE![/B]. I prefer to take care of ATF and create her WAY better than I do any prostitute. I did not give her a budget. She spends my money as if it was hers. She has characgter (something that most guys posting up in here could not recognize if it slapped them in the face). The mother fucking professional tricks up in here buying forty lady drinks wouldn't get it.

[B]When your are close to someone you stay in touch with their needs. It is mutual thing. I give from my heart.[/B]

She has zero expectations of me. Unlike individuals like to portray me up in here, I got enough for me so I share the rest. It has paid dividends with ATF and I am certain it will continue to do so for as long as we both agree that we are good together.

[QUOTE=MassageLover81;2932283]Sounds like a good deal to me since by definition ATF means the best!

I'm curious, I understand paying for meals, movies etc. But how often does she expect you to buy more expensive gifts like phone or tennis shoes?

Is this for special occasions like birthday or celebrations? Or does she expect it almost every time you see her?

Thanks![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2932306]Pattaya isn't for everyone. One thing overlooked by many in their reviews is what you pointed out. The stench of raw sewage hitting you at random drainage sewers around the city.[/QUOTE]Horrible smells are all over Thailand, not just Pattaya. Hold your breath as you walk by big piles of bagged trash on the sidewalk. Sometimes it's sewage and sometimes its the smell of garbage trucks dumping their loads on the street as workers sort for recyclable materials (I guess that's what they are doing). I've experienced those smells in Bangkok, Pattaya, Koh Samui, Phuket, and even on beautiful Koh Samet.

MSKAT Pattaya irl streamer on kick.

Got a 3,000 $ donation online.

She is a solid 3 with make up. Even the lower end Girls at times have their day in the SUN.

Soi 6 reports. Am I the only 1 that actually goes thete.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2932356]Horrible smells are all over Thailand, not just Pattaya. Hold your breath as you walk by big piles of bagged trash on the sidewalk. Sometimes it's sewage and sometimes its the smell of garbage trucks dumping their loads on the street as workers sort for recyclable materials (I guess that's what they are doing). I've experienced those smells in Bangkok, Pattaya, Koh Samui, Phuket, and even on beautiful Koh Samet.[/QUOTE]There's a solution. Go spend some time in Kolkata, India. When you return to Pattaya you will call it the perfumed city.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2932364]There's a solution. Go spend some time in Kolkata, India. When you return to Pattaya you will call it the perfumed city.[/QUOTE]Oh my, I'll take your word for it.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2932363]Soi 6 reports. Am I the only 1 that actually goes thete.[/QUOTE]You are the only one that watches it on youtube then comes here to report your electronic observations from 8,000 miles away.

The smell! Wonder why so many call places like Pattaya, " A shithole " places like Bangkok other places I'm sure it is the same particularly if the area is very old.

As for Pattaya, I read and hear people talk about the sewer system I've asked and a few say it is there and here, I know of one not too far from my home on the Darkside the sign says " Treatment plant ".

But in all the years I've been by I've never seen any activity it looks like a ghost town and the place is small and I'm talking small so how much shit can they actually treat? There is a guard shack in front but never seen anyone there nor is the gate down.

Maybe I got too much time on my hand or I'm just too Thai not to know. I seen how they repair and replace their drain system any can tell me they know or have seen a facility for that and that my believe the rain water flooding 90% of that water goes back into the ocean.

In the tourist area unless a miracle happened and it was done prior to me arriving 20 years ago there is no sewer system period. Everything is based on septic tank basically they dig large holes in certain location of the Hotel, facility, shop houses like where the GoGo, bars, GC are location and the shit goes into these large cement or PVC drums once they are full they call in the trucks usually middle of the night or early morning and suck it out. Where it goes I've not a clue since I'm asleep those hours. When it rains that is when the smell is worse although these drums or vented.

Wonder why you seldom see people in the water playing. In the past there have been complaints about a large hotel 5 star hotel top of Dolphin circle with a giant metal pipe going out to the sea tossing some good old brown waste into the sea. Go to Beirgarden the front look over the rail when it rains heavy if that pipe is still there watch the discharge coming out. Their so call drain system like the Darkside everything you name it goes into the drains.

I use to have a herd of Buffalos run through the neighborhood when they do shit is all over the place. Thais let it dry and when it rains it goes into the drains and if the rain is heavy the water flows up to the surface and the kids in my village like most in Thailand the kids play in it like it is their own personal swimming pool.

As noted this is the way it is in all of Thailand, money is being spent on roads and more roads, it is truly a shithole and it is right under all the Entertainment venues. LOL.

Visiting Pattaya for a few days with a girl. This girl is fun and is bi-curious.

Does anybody have escort / girl recommendations in Pattaya who can do couples and girl-girl action?

I know I can pick up any random girl from soi6/ gogos but last thing I need is a girl who doesn't know how to deal with couples and makes things awkward.

Hence, looking for escort recommendations who know what they are doing and look nice. This girl is picky and wouldn't want to get down with a nasty looking one.

Let me know. Thanks!

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2929653]60 girls all UGLY. Sorry guys this is Funny but accurate.

Then he finds a 1 k girl online. Hottie. Methinks.[/QUOTE]30+ was the age in years. Not 30+ as in number of girls LOL.

And online is waste of time, me thinks. Pictures are usually so far off from what actually knocks on your door.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2932363]Soi 6 reports. Am I the only 1 that actually goes thete.[/QUOTE]The problem with Soi 6 now is that bar girls are hesitant to go to the short time room, because they might miss a Korean whale who could buy them 40 drinks.

Ban Chang trip report:

I dragged myself to Ban Chang last night. I was very tired, but I had already reserved a room at Changsova Hotel, so I went - 389 baht one way via Bolt taxi.

After checking in, I hit the bars. It was very quiet, in terms of customers, but the ladies were better than expected, they were either spinners, or well endowed quasi chubby types. And desperate for customers.

But I was too tired to sample the wares, as I had already had 4 ladies in the last 24 hours.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2931675]If you go to the very earliest pages in this topic, 20 years ago, you will find posts complaining about the state of Pattaya in 2005: "it's not as good as it was in the Old Days".

Pattaya hasn't changed, *you* have changed. The first time you came to Pattaya, you were impressed by the number of young ladies. The next time you came, you were a little pickier. Shampoo, rinse, repeat. And now you are looking for pearls among the swine.

It's basic human nature.

I remember 2004 in Pattaya very well. Lots of overweight ladies with tattoos.[/QUOTE]I have talked to people that have visited Pattay for many years. Soi 7 and soi 8 did not used to be full of 40+ overweight ladies. There used to be more younger talents around the bars. What I saw in those streets and in myth night and tree town was mostly abyssmal. The only reason those areas are operating with that staff is because the infrastructure is there. No one would build up those areas from scratch and staff it with ladies of so low quality. Honestly, I think its almost a sort of parody of a red light area when I see some things there.

I want to point out that not all bars and gogos are like that. There is cuter and younger that you can find. I recomend soi 6. But you should not pay more than 1500 there.

Let's keep it real. You want young and cute toothpaste model type girls: 3000 - 5000 THB. I have never said that girls in the 1000 - 2000 are the hottest girls in Pattaya. I have consistently said they are serviceable for me. I don't like to pay a lot for pussy when it comes to prostitutes. I will open my wallet up for my ATF. But that is different. Professional tricks simply don't understand that.

[B]Man Law 101[/B]: No man ought to be telling another grown man how to spend his hard earned money or who to fuck!

I am not a man law violator. If you want to buy 40 drinks for your prostitute so that she is so drunk out of her mind you can run up in her ass bare and blow your cum up in her or have her do ass to mouth so you can brag about up in here: DOWHATULIKE.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2932603]I have talked to people that have visited Pattay for many years. Soi 7 and soi 8 did not used to be full of 40+ overweight ladies. There used to be more younger talents around the bars. What I saw in those streets and in myth night and tree town was mostly abyssmal. The only reason those areas are operating with that staff is because the infrastructure is there. No one would build up those areas from scratch and staff it with ladies of so low quality. Honestly, I think its almost a sort of parody of a red light area when I see some things there.

I want to point out that not all bars and gogos are like that. There is cuter and younger that you can find. I recomend soi 6. But you should not pay more than 1500 there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2932603]I have talked to people that have visited Pattay for many years. Soi 7 and soi 8 did not used to be full of 40+ overweight ladies. There used to be more younger talents around the bars. [/QUOTE]That was in 2016/2017 at the latest and even then the ladyboys were taking over Soi 7 and Soi 8. After 2017 maybe with the exception of Shooters and another sports bar (forgot the name) finding someone under 25, cute, and petite was purely by chance just like walking down any soi in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2932603]I have talked to people that have visited Pattay for many years. Soi 7 and soi 8 did not used to be full of 40+ overweight ladies. There used to be more younger talents around the bars. What I saw in those streets and in myth night and tree town was mostly abyssmal. The only reason those areas are operating with that staff is because the infrastructure is there. No one would build up those areas from scratch and staff it with ladies of so low quality.[/QUOTE]So what it seems you are saying is that the same ladies from 20 years ago are still there and the generation after them has found ways other than beer bars to make ends meet.

How hard or easy is to find a WG that you can fist? (Pussy not ass).

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2932609]Let's keep it real. You want young and cute toothpaste model type girls: 3000 - 5000 THB. I have never said that girls in the 1000 - 2000 are the hottest girls in Pattaya. I have consistently said they are serviceable for me. I don't like to pay a lot for pussy when it comes to prostitutes. I will open my wallet up for my ATF. But that is different. Professional tricks simply don't understand that.

[B]Man Law 101[/B]: No man ought to be telling another grown man how to spend his hard earned money or who to fuck!

I am not a man law violator. If you want to buy 40 drinks for your prostitute so that she is so drunk out of her mind you can run up in her ass bare and blow your cum up in her or have her do ass to mouth so you can brag about up in here: DOWHATULIKE.[/QUOTE]I had a young cute on soi 6 , cost me 1500 + BF. There are severals on thaifriendly for the same money. You don't have to throw up 3000ST. And I am not picky either. I am ok with the average girl. As long as she is not fat. If some women dropped a couple of kilos that would do alot. And you also have average women on soi 6 that is not to expensive. But tree town and myth night. Naaahhh.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2932626]So what it seems you are saying is that the same ladies from 20 years ago are still there and the generation after them has found ways other than beer bars to make ends meet.[/QUOTE]Honestly, I don't know if that's the truth. I don't think its the whole truth. Women come and go all the time. But the young and cute are not really going to Pattayas bars the way the used to be doing.

Anyone ever fly a girl to your home country??

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2932107]I think I need to come back to Pattaya but I need to be better prepped for the hassle that comes with it.[/QUOTE]Yes, you should definitely come back. The first time I went to Pattaya, in 2005, I didn't like it very much either. But just like you I was there for only a couple of days, and I soon realized that was simply not enough to explore this unique town. So about 6 months later I went back, and stayed for 2 weeks. Since then I'm hooked, and came back dozens of times. You just have to find your way in this place, get used to it, and find out what works best for you.

[QUOTE=DrHopalicious;2932669]How hard or easy is to find a WG that you can fist? (Pussy not ass).[/QUOTE]I guess that depends on the size of your fist.

[QUOTE=AlgoCreeper4;2933305]Anyone ever fly a girl to your home country??[/QUOTE]Why guys do it, I have no idea but many girls are very well travelled.

Be aware that taking a girl to a foreign holiday destination is one thing but taking her home adds a heap of extra risks.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2933338]I guess that depends on the size of your fist.[/QUOTE]Hahaha. I took a girl home once who was like fucking a plank of wood with a hole drilled in it: totally lifeless. In the morning, a finger lead to more fingers which lead to wrist deep pounding with her becoming more and more animated at each step. In the end she was bouncing off the walls with pussy juices running down my forearm.

Go figure. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2933449]Why guys do it, I have no idea but many girls are very well travelled.

Be aware that taking a girl to a foreign holiday destination is one thing but taking her home adds a heap of extra risks.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Not EZ getting a Soi 6 out of the country Bro.

Went to Chloe's Speakeasy last night. It's the bar within a bar, upstairs from Heaven Above. About 15 girls in total, about half were doable. Three booths and a bar. I bought a few lady drinks but I was quoted 800 for the room and 3000 for the girl, so I passed.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2932603]I have talked to people that have visited Pattay for many years. Soi 7 and soi 8 did not used to be full of 40+ overweight ladies. There used to be more younger talents around the bars. What I saw in those streets and in myth night and tree town was mostly abyssmal. The only reason those areas are operating with that staff is because the infrastructure is there. No one would build up those areas from scratch and staff it with ladies of so low quality. Honestly, I think its almost a sort of parody of a red light area when I see some things there.

I want to point out that not all bars and gogos are like that. There is cuter and younger that you can find. I recomend soi 6. But you should not pay more than 1500 there.[/QUOTE]Myth just opened late last year.

Plenty of overweight older types in Pattaya 20 years ago.

[QUOTE=AlgoCreeper4;2933305]Anyone ever fly a girl to your home country??[/QUOTE]This sounds like the beginning of a very sad story.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2933449]Why guys do it, I have no idea but many girls are very well travelled.

Be aware that taking a girl to a foreign holiday destination is one thing but taking her home adds a heap of extra risks.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]I travel because if I spend 180+ days in Thailand this year, I will be deemed a tax resident. Sometimes when I travel, I take a Thai lady with me. Tomorrow I go to Macau.

Lots of Thai ladies want to travel. However, there are lots of reasons to be careful. I once took a lady on a two week trip, and halfway through, she broke down, spending two days in bed crying all the time. She missed her Thai "boyfriend". After 2 days, she composed herself and carried on. When she got home, her boyfriend's wife threatened her and that was the end of that guy. Since then, she has traveled to other places with me, and her new boyfriend takes care of the kids.

Before traveling with a bar girl, have her go with you long time in Pattaya. Then, do a few days in Bangkok. By then, you will have an idea if you can live together. I have had ladies flake out in Bangkok.

The last step is flying to some domestic destination like Phuket or Chiang Mai. If she can handle that, a trip to Malaysia or Vietnam or Macau is possible.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2933634]I travel because if I spend 180+ days in Thailand this year, I will be deemed a tax resident. Sometimes when I travel, I take a Thai lady with me. Tomorrow I go to Macau..[/QUOTE]Just curious. If you stayed in Thailand more than 180 days this year, how would the Thai government enforce this rule on you? How would they force you to file your personal income tax here. To my knowledge, immigration is not enforcing this when you extend your visa. So how ? Why are you so worried ? If you can explain the enforcement guidelines on this, I would be most interested. What would happen to you if you didn’t file?

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2933871]Just curious. If you stayed in Thailand more than 180 days this year, how would the Thai government enforce this rule on you? How would they force you to file your personal income tax here. To my knowledge, immigration is not enforcing this when you extend your visa. So how ? Why are you so worried ? If you can explain the enforcement guidelines on this, I would be most interested. What would happen to you if you didnt file?[/QUOTE]There is a discussion about this in the General Reports section.

A tax resident is required to file a Thai tax return for any income remitted into Thailand in 2024. You can decline to file, but that would be tax evasion.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2932603]I have talked to people that have visited Pattay for many years. Soi 7 and soi 8 did not used to be full of 40+ overweight ladies. There used to be more younger talents around the bars. What I saw in those streets and in myth night and tree town was mostly abyssmal. The only reason those areas are operating with that staff is because the infrastructure is there. No one would build up those areas from scratch and staff it with ladies of so low quality. Honestly, I think its almost a sort of parody of a red light area when I see some things there.[/QUOTE]Now I remember Soi 13 back in the day. There was a daytime gogo called "Miami", maybe someone remembers when it was open. I believe they had naked dancers.

Overweight, older ladies.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2933634]I travel because if I spend 180+ days in Thailand this year, I will be deemed a tax resident. Sometimes when I travel, I take a Thai lady with me. Tomorrow I go to Macau.

Lots of Thai ladies want to travel. However, there are lots of reasons to be careful. I once took a lady on a two week trip, and halfway through, she broke down, spending two days in bed crying all the time. She missed her Thai "boyfriend". After 2 days, she composed herself and carried on. When she got home, her boyfriend's wife threatened her and that was the end of that guy. Since then, she has traveled to other places with me, and her new boyfriend takes care of the kids.

Before traveling with a bar girl, have her go with you long time in Pattaya. Then, do a few days in Bangkok. By then, you will have an idea if you can live together. I have had ladies flake out in Bangkok.

The last step is flying to some domestic destination like Phuket or Chiang Mai. If she can handle that, a trip to Malaysia or Vietnam or Macau is possible.[/QUOTE]We have something in common. This tax resident thing is a Pain.

The filing even if you owe nothing can be a Nightmare. Esp when Ben Hart of integrity legal thinks tax status will be intertwined with immigration status.

Year winding down and no clarification on anything.

P.S. Look at how much revenue Thailand is losing by me and explore not being there. Yes I'm Flexxing. Haha.

In that soi I Remember Nevada and LAS vegas in One the lady havebbikini but I had a quarrel with a lady about Money.

In Nevada served a large glass of beer for 50 bath and the lady was topless and have down a sort of indian squaw piece of something and the butt was naked and you can fondle but man I m talking about 25 why ago.

25 years ago.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2933876]There is a discussion about this in the General Reports section.

A tax resident is required to file a Thai tax return for any income remitted into Thailand in 2024. You can decline to file, but that would be tax evasion.[/QUOTE]So just wondering about the enforcement. What will happen if you don't file? Can you answer? How will they force you to file or punish you if you don't? There are no enforcement guidelines and there never was. The 180 day rule has been around for years. Only the accessible income has changed. So, in the past you were here more than 180 days in a calendar year, so why you only worry now and not before? Feel free to PM me as I know I'm bringing this out in the wrong section of the forum. Apologies to you all.


On a more appropriate note, how do you like the new Maggie Mays in Jomtien? Interested in hearing your opinion.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2933878]Now I remember Soi 13 back in the day. There was a daytime gogo called "Miami", maybe someone remembers when it was open. I believe they had naked dancers.

Overweight, older ladies.[/QUOTE]Yes, I remember it. As you noted overweight older ladies suppose to be nasty if that was your thing. I went twice just to confirm so I don't go again it reminds of of Tahitian Queen if also your thing. I believe it is gone even before Covid, there was a club down which I believe is the club now XS or close to it a open bar club Miami never made it closed before Covid.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2933991]So just wondering about the enforcement. What will happen if you don't file? Can you answer? How will they force you to file or punish you if you don't? There are no enforcement guidelines and there never was. The 180 day rule has been around for years. Only the accessible income has changed. So, in the past you were here more than 180 days in a calendar year, so why you only worry now and not before? Feel free to PM me as I know I'm bringing this out in the wrong section of the forum. Apologies to you all.


On a more appropriate note, how do you like the new Maggie Mays in Jomtien? Interested in hearing your opinion.[/QUOTE]I went to a meeting yesterday on this topic out of interest? The guest speaker isn't a tax expert but a Doctoral guy who has done extensive work who has gone down to the Revenue office, got forms and even develop a program to calculate your returns. If provide online the forms that were necessary as to how to file and the rules pertaining the deductions etc. He went over the form and use sample calculations as to what an individual would pay if it was to be enforced on those spending more than 180 days.

One first and foremost he made it clearly although he was the speaker he made a disclaimer to everyone he wasn't an expert so don't quote him. In the meeting open session lots of questions and speculation as to whether this will be made an policy and enforce. There was speculation that if done it will be enforced through Immigration when renewing your Extension you will be asked to provide as part of your package that a return was made and if fully enforced it will be placed into your immigration record and if not won't be able to enter Thailand if you leave.

As the discussion continue the above is the worse enforcement as we know Thailand leaders don't know their left from right by the time it actually is enforced old guys said they will be dead. One guy claim right now A. I. Is being developed so to make it happen. I said and many dislike brought up the topic of what is deductible and said as you guys argue about what is does anyone actually think they can sit with a Thai revenue official and ask speak English as you guys are doing now and think you are going to get your way. This is what I continue to mentioned people get so worked up they don't realize Thailand is in the bottom year in year out when it comes to English improvement these old dogs can't read or write and certainly can't speak a lick. So get ready to argue, get back a stare and pay the piper. Majority of the simple samples of someone bringing in 1 million baht with the general deductions end up with a PAY 25,000 baht! There are two sets of forms a 91 and 90, 91 will be the one most of us will use 90 is for those who work here and invest money. Form 90, there are 40 pages of rules, 91 has like 20.

But here is the catch a handful of countries and USA Is one of them NO DOUBLE TAXATION so whatever amount it shows you to pay is VOID! But as we know every Immigrations does their own thing will if enforced Revenue department do the same. Look you in the face and play dumb like Thais are good at doing!

The end of meeting no matter how you are to fill out the form no one has a clue as of yet just ASSUMPTIONS AND SPECULATIONS WHICH DRIVE WHAT? FEAR! Is the fear justified that a guy will stay less that 180 days like EX, if you can not a bad idea until everyone really knows. Starting next year if I remember correctly Starting 2025 you got January to end of March to file for 2024, and you got to apply for a I. The. First. There was lots of speculation by others the way Thailand operates especially Pattaya, the so call agents who are now doing business for people to obtain their extension doing 90 reports and TM30 residents might be doing a booming business obtaining clearance for tax filing.

Myself, I plan to just sit talk to my lawyer if she works with a English speaking tax expert when the time comes will do what is necessary if nab at Immigration I play dumb which is easy I'm too old to know LOL.

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On a more appropriate note, how do you like the new Maggie Mays in Jomtien? Interested in hearing your opinion.[/QUOTE]I only went once. It's kind of like the original, but I don't know any of the ladies, which puts a damper on things for me.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2934004]Yes, I remember it. As you noted overweight older ladies suppose to be nasty if that was your thing. I went twice just to confirm so I don't go again it reminds of of Tahitian Queen if also your thing. I believe it is gone even before Covid, there was a club down which I believe is the club now XS or close to it a open bar club Miami never made it closed before Covid.[/QUOTE]My point was about the posts claiming that there weren't old overweight ladies in Pattaya Back in the Day.

I suspect that as guys get older, they filter out all but the hottest ladies from their memory.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2934073]I only went once. It's kind of like the original, but I don't know any of the ladies, which puts a damper on things for me.[/QUOTE]The new [B]Maggie Mays in Jomtien[/B] is pretty lame in my book. Especially with three better gentleman clubs and a agogo within walking distance of it. They really need to step their game up. But they are hampered by the lame facilities. Owners must have been on a budget. How cheap is it to install one air conditioner split for two room? Each room cannot control the temp in that individual room. They also have big clocks on the wall. Not the stylish types, the ones that you see in any common office. Nothing says this facility is about watching the clock than that. The rooms do not have private bathrooms. You have to go do the hall to take your shower before and after the deed. The show it the wet bathroom style. Not a particular favorite of mine. They keep it so dark in bar area that you can barely see what the girls look like. I guess that is good for getting head or hiding the lame line up. Lastly, they keep it so mother fucking cold in there it is like sitting in a refrigerator.

Grade: I would give them 2 out of 5 stars. You can get your fuck on in there but I would only visit if I got bored with the other three gentleman's clubs (all four and five stars) that are within walking distance of the place.

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[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2934116]The new [B]Maggie Mays in Jomtien[/B] is pretty lame in my book. Especially with three better gentleman clubs and a agogo within walking distance of it. They really need to step their game up. But they are hampered by the lame facilities. Owners must have been on a budget. How cheap is it to install one air conditioner split for two room? Each room cannot control the temp in that individual room. They also have big clocks on the wall. Not the stylish types, the ones that you see in any common office. Nothing says this facility is about watching the clock than that. The rooms do not have private bathrooms. You have to go do the hall to take your shower before and after the deed. The show it the wet bathroom style. Not a particular favorite of mine. They keep it so dark in bar area that you can barely see what the girls look like. I guess that is good for getting head or hiding the lame line up. Lastly, they keep it so mother fucking cold in there it is like sitting in a refrigerator.

Grade: I would give them 2 out of 5 stars. You can get your fuck on in there but I would only visit if I got bored with the other three gentleman's clubs (all four and five stars) that are within walking distance of the place.

I go to work![/QUOTE]Thanks for the warning, out of interest which other GC is close by, and which GoGo.

Cheers.

Be.

[QUOTE=Belsie;2934159]Thanks for the warning, out of interest which other GC is close by, and which GoGo.

Cheers.

Be.[/QUOTE]Agogo: [B]Viper[/B]; Gentlemans Club [B]KitCat Lounge[/B]; Gentleman's Club [B]Passions[/B], Look for my PM about the third Gentleman's Club.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2912642][B]Passion Gentlemans Club[/B][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2919664][B]Viper[/B] an Agogo in Jomtien falls into that category. They charge 1500 bar fine; 800 for short time room; 3000 short time; 5000 long time. Maybe one or two girls qualified for that price range in my book. But I have never written a description of the activity that disparaged those who make the choice to accept those prices and take those girls.

What I can tell you is that I can walk right across the street to the GC next to the Jomtien Beach Pool House called the [B]KitCat Lounge Club[/B] purchase the Champagne Room package that includes the girl of my choice for 1500 THB. Do I find the girls in [B]Viper[/B] to be twice as attractive as the girls in the [B]KitCat Lounge Club[/B] club?

I find the ambiance of the [B]KitCat Lounge Club[/B] appeals to me more. I am greeted and treated quite well by the girls and at least half of them I find attractive. The next guy might not like the place at all. They may prefer to pull a girl out of [B]Viper[/B]. But I have nothing negative to say about that or the girls in either place.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2934074]My point was about the posts claiming that there weren't old overweight ladies in Pattaya Back in the Day.

I suspect that as guys get older, they filter out all but the hottest ladies from their memory.[/QUOTE]I am not saying that there were not low quality older ladies before. But there used to be younger and hoter girls in ordinary bars. There has been a huge fall of quality in Pattaya. I was surprised when I entered Pinup this July and saw what a fall in quality there has been compared to July 2022.

Treetown, mythnight, soi 7 and soi 8 is all very low quality with some exceptions. I think its unsustainable in the long run. Most people will not pay for flight and holiday to go to a bar with overweight 40+ ladies. No way.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2934073]I only went once. It's kind of like the original, but I don't know any of the ladies, which puts a damper on things for me.[/QUOTE]Those are my thoughts as well.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2934074]My point was about the posts claiming that there weren't old overweight ladies in Pattaya Back in the Day.

I suspect that as guys get older, they filter out all but the hottest ladies from their memory.[/QUOTE]Any updates or experiences with the taxes I will need you guys know here!

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2934073]but I don't know any of the ladies, which puts a damper on things for me.[/QUOTE]Not surprisingly we're the total opposite. I much prefer walking into a gogo bar where I know absolutely no girls. That way I can act as a total newbie and have some fun as a tourist who has only visited Thailand a couple of times. I get to DFK new girls as I see them without someone I know already on my lap. I walk into Pin Up and have 5 gogo girls on my ass as soon as any one of them spot me. OK at times but most of the time I'm seeking new talent.

Recent experience in Pattaya.

I was with 2 girls the first day.

I'll start with girl #2. Why start with #2? Because #1 was such a bad experience I'll tell the good one first. She was at a bar on Soi 6 at about 17:30. Still light out. I walked down Soi 6 from east to west. Hundreds of girls. So even if only 10% are attractive, that still amounts to a good choice. I got about 3/4 of the way down the road, getting blocked somewhat aggressively several times during the walk. I just walked up to an attractive girl sitting outside. I don't remember the name of the bar. I said I wanted just water (50 baht) then asked if she wanted to sit. She asked if I would buy her a lady drink (160) but I stopped her and asked if she wanted to go upstairs. (I wasn't entirely sure the place had rooms upstairs, but it did. Maybe they all do. I've only been to Soi 6 twice). 1500 for the girl and 500 for the room. So overall 2050 (about $60 usd). My only other experience in Soi 6 last year was 1500 total, but I'm not always in the mood to haggle and kill the mood as long as it's not an outrageous price. Good sex, hot girl, BBBJ, covered sex.

Girl #1: Met on TF. Was chatting with before I got here. She was all friendly and smiles on TF. As soon as I told her I arrived, she came to meet me immediately. Apparently she was using a translator and didn't speak much English. She looked miserable the entire time. I considered stopping or asking if she wanted to stop, but then I realized she had no problem taking my money (2000). I didn't even like fucking her because of how much she was obviously not into it. So she just gave me head most of the time. When we were done, I asked her through translator why she agreed to come over if she obviously isn't enjoying it. She just gave a short smile and then got back to texting on her phone. This experience almost made me question why I'm coming here and made me feel like one of those guys that people talk so badly about when they talk about sex tourists. Like we just exist to make girls do things they don't want to do and exploit them. Luckily, I went down to Soi 6 later and found girls who seem to enjoy everything (the sex and getting paid). I guess TF has a lot of amateurs who aren't used to meeting strangers so much, but at the same time don't hesitate to take the money.

Question: Would the baht bus give me change if I had a 20? What about a 100? I've never taken it, but I know how it works? Can anyone post a link to a recent and accurate route map?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2934325]Not surprisingly we're the total opposite. I much prefer walking into a gogo bar where I know absolutely no girls. That way I can act as a total newbie and have some fun as a tourist who has only visited Thailand a couple of times. I get to DFK new girls as I see them without someone I know already on my lap. I walk into Pin Up and have 5 gogo girls on my ass as soon as any one of them spot me. OK at times but most of the time I'm seeking new talent.[/QUOTE]Yep. There are benefits to being both a regular and a tourist.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2934416]Yep. There are benefits to being both a regular and a tourist.[/QUOTE][B]Actually I don't see any advantage to either[/B] You can be both a tourist and a regular if you regularly visit places when you are in Thailand as a tourist. The biggest advantage is knowledge. You gain more as you experience more. But eventually we all find what we like the best. Takes a strong personality not to fall into a routine.

I am regular at the Bus Bar here in Pattaya. I do not seeing it getting me any advantage. I get charged the same prices each and everytime I visit. Being a regular visitor to a particular girls pussy does seem to give me some advantages. More license and liberties.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2934376]Recent experience in Pattaya.

I was with 2 girls the first day.

I'll start with girl #2. Why start with #2? Because #1 was such a bad experience I'll tell the good one first. She was at a bar on Soi 6 at about 17:30. Still light out. I walked down Soi 6 from east to west. Hundreds of girls. So even if only 10% are attractive, that still amounts to a good choice. I got about 3/4 of the way down the road, getting blocked somewhat aggressively several times during the walk. I just walked up to an attractive girl sitting outside. I don't remember the name of the bar. I said I wanted just water (50 baht) then asked if she wanted to sit. She asked if I would buy her a lady drink (160) but I stopped her and asked if she wanted to go upstairs. (I wasn't entirely sure the place had rooms upstairs, but it did. Maybe they all do. I've only been to Soi 6 twice). 1500 for the girl and 500 for the room. So overall 2050 (about $60 usd). My only other experience in Soi 6 last year was 1500 total, but I'm not always in the mood to haggle and kill the mood as long as it's not an outrageous price. Good sex, hot girl, BBBJ, covered sex.

Girl #1: Met on TF. Was chatting with before I got here. She was all friendly and smiles on TF. As soon as I told her I arrived, she came to meet me immediately. Apparently she was using a translator and didn't speak much English. She looked miserable the entire time. I considered stopping or asking if she wanted to stop, but then I realized she had no problem taking my money (2000). I didn't even like fucking her because of how much she was obviously not into it. So she just gave me head most of the time. When we were done, I asked her through translator why she agreed to come over if she obviously isn't enjoying it. She just gave a short smile and then got back to texting on her phone. This experience almost made me question why I'm coming here and made me feel like one of those guys that people talk so badly about when they talk about sex tourists. Like we just exist to make girls do things they don't want to do and exploit them. Luckily, I went down to Soi 6 later and found girls who seem to enjoy everything (the sex and getting paid). I guess TF has a lot of amateurs who aren't used to meeting strangers so much, but at the same time don't hesitate to take the money.

Question: Would the baht bus give me change if I had a 20? What about a 100? I've never taken it, but I know how it works? Can anyone post a link to a recent and accurate route map?[/QUOTE]Girl #3:

Amazing girl from TF. I think the trick is to do a video call first.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2934376]Recent experience in Pattaya.

I was with 2 girls the first day.

I'll start with girl #2. Why start with #2? Because #1 was such a bad experience I'll tell the good one first. She was at a bar on Soi 6 at about 17:30. Still light out. I walked down Soi 6 from east to west. Hundreds of girls. So even if only 10% are attractive, that still amounts to a good choice. I got about 3/4 of the way down the road, getting blocked somewhat aggressively several times during the walk. I just walked up to an attractive girl sitting outside. I don't remember the name of the bar. I said I wanted just water (50 baht) then asked if she wanted to sit. She asked if I would buy her a lady drink (160) but I stopped her and asked if she wanted to go upstairs. (I wasn't entirely sure the place had rooms upstairs, but it did. Maybe they all do. I've only been to Soi 6 twice). 1500 for the girl and 500 for the room. So overall 2050 (about $60 usd). My only other experience in Soi 6 last year was 1500 total, but I'm not always in the mood to haggle and kill the mood as long as it's not an outrageous price. Good sex, hot girl, BBBJ, covered sex.

Girl #1: Met on TF. Was chatting with before I got here. She was all friendly and smiles on TF. As soon as I told her I arrived, she came to meet me immediately. Apparently she was using a translator and didn't speak much English. She looked miserable the entire time. I considered stopping or asking if she wanted to stop, but then I realized she had no problem taking my money (2000). I didn't even like fucking her because of how much she was obviously not into it. So she just gave me head most of the time. When we were done, I asked her through translator why she agreed to come over if she obviously isn't enjoying it. She just gave a short smile and then got back to texting on her phone. This experience almost made me question why I'm coming here and made me feel like one of those guys that people talk so badly about when they talk about sex tourists. Like we just exist to make girls do things they don't want to do and exploit them. Luckily, I went down to Soi 6 later and found girls who seem to enjoy everything (the sex and getting paid). I guess TF has a lot of amateurs who aren't used to meeting strangers so much, but at the same time don't hesitate to take the money.

Question: Would the baht bus give me change if I had a 20? What about a 100? I've never taken it, but I know how it works? Can anyone post a link to a recent and accurate route map?[/QUOTE]I have noticed the same thing. Could be for many reasons the girls aren't into it as much. Maybe they have seen a few clients already and are worn out. I quickly realized its best to take the ones who show a lot of interest in you and obviously that you find attractive as well. Usually they will jerk your dick off aggressively and then just make out with you, that means its a girl who needs the money and is still in the mood to enjoy her work.

Playgirlz has some real hotties, one girl wouldn't barfine with me the other day. She was extremely fit, young, and attractive with an amazing hip to waste ratio and a more lightskinned european looking face, for a thai that is. Another Soi 6 girl didn't want to bar fine at closing time around 3 am, she said she was tired and wanted sleep. Probably already boned a few guys that day or maybe just didn't want to fuck me for cash at that moment. It happens. Good thing is, vast majority of the girls you want, your going to get. Playgirlz also has some really entertaining dance routines they do as well. Sounds corny, but I was impressed when I saw it in person.

Skyfall bar on WS has some eager hotties as well.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2934376]I considered stopping or asking if she wanted to stop, but then I realized she had no problem taking my money (2000). I didn't even like fucking her because of how much she was obviously not into it. When we were done, I asked her through translator why she agreed to come over if she obviously isn't enjoying it.[/QUOTE]It seems like you answered your own question. She agreed to come over because you said you would give her 2000 baht that is why. Where else is a chick going to get 2000 baht that quick? I have never had a hooker promise that she would enjoy fucking me. Hell, I have not enjoyed fucking all the hookers that I have paid to fuck. Was I supposed to act like I enjoyed it? You are paying them to get your rocks off, not for them to find enjoyment in doing so. You only know people that go to work if they enjoy doing the work?

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2934376]Question: Would the baht bus give me change if I had a 20? What about a 100? I've never taken it, but I know how it works?[/QUOTE]Yes, they have change.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2934486]with an amazing hip to waste ratio.[/QUOTE]It always tickles me when you guys say that. It reminds me of a buddy that lives in Pattaya who always talks about the amazing gap between some chicks' legs. Hell, I am not out trying to measure hoes; I am just out to fuck them.

[QUOTE=HrtfrdWhaler49;2934522]IEvery girl was sourced using Thai Friendly. No Beach Road girls, no bar girls, I don't know about this Soi or that Soi, save that for some old monger.[/QUOTE]So, [I][b]Thai Friendly[/b] is only for young mongers?[/I]. My first question to you is why if you are young do you need to pay for pussy in the first place? I did not start regularly hiring prostitutes until I was 50 years old and I fucked hundreds of non pros.

Been using [B]Thai Friendly[/B] and almost every other outlet to hire prostitutes since I have been in Pattaya.

Tell you what I don't do, travel half way around the world to sit in my mother fucking room all day looking at my phone. [B]Thai Friendly[/B] is for when I'm to lazy to go out. Or when it is 0200 and I want to fuck. Like I did last night and I had a lovely lady that came over after her shift was finished at her bar.

We shared this insane chemistry. She sat and drank beer. As she drank she took slowly took her clothes off as she drained her beer. Had the black thong working with the two straps (love that shit). We conversated in broken in.

English and sometimes he would pull out the translator. She said she spoke very little English but understood it well. By the time she finished her beer she was butt naked and standing in front of me as I was sitting on the bed. I was enjoying her body. She was shapely.

[U]The event[/U] Light Kissing, she's down on her knees. (I love that shit), CFS, doggie, mish (Legs Up), mish (straddle) and I blow splooge in the bag. OUTSTANDING experience. For her too. She spoke positively about the size of my dick and how she enjoyed it (the color too-don't hate).

But here is what blew my mind. After she got up. Got dressed and I had paid her. She joined me on the bed while I was still naked and she was fully dressed sans shoes. She cuddle up with me held my hand and I gently massaged her head and neck while she lay her head on my chest. It was an amazing experiences. She was spending time with me because she wanted to, not because she was getting paid. After a while she started playing with me and once motivated asked me if I wanted to go another round. We did. Her clothes still on just panties pulled to the side. This time around she vocalized her pleasure to me when she had her orgasm. Then she wanted me to get mine. I did. Her nasty thing was so wet we had a wet spot and she was embarrassed. She made her way to the bathroom. She cleaned up and came back. She told me she liked that and she needed it because she does not have a boyfriend. Told her I would make plans to see her again and by the time she left it was 0500.

[B]1000 THB[/B] don't hate!

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2934363]This is the type of report I love, just the facts, no philosophy.[/QUOTE]Don't give a fuck what you like or love. Put me on ignore if you don'tI like my posts. Or you can just continue to do what you do best: [B]Talk Shit[/B].

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2934440]Girl #3:

Amazing girl from TF. I think the trick is to do a video call first.[/QUOTE]I've never done a video call with a girl from [B]Thai Friendly[/B]I have never a bad result. I've even had girls that showed up who were not even the girl in the picture. But they were MORE attractive than the girl in the picture. Random box of candy, never know what you are going to get.

[B]I go hard in the paint![/B]

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2934376]Would the baht bus give me change if I had a 20? What about a 100? I've never taken it, but I know how it works? Can anyone post a link to a recent and accurate route map?[/QUOTE]For a 20 yes but expect to be 10 1 baht coin taped together. For a 100 you'll likely get some sort of change back but don't expect the correct amount in return. Better off going to 711 first and buy a water or something. By baht bus route I assume you are taking the main tourist route as there are several. Basically up and down Beach Road and Second Road between Terminal 21 and Walking Street. What is does on the ends is up to the baht bus driver. If traffic too heavy the driver will turn up one of the side sois before Walking Street. At the Dolphin Round the driver will usually boot you off at Terminal 21 if he is going back along Beach Road. He may also head to Naklua road. Ie. There is a general route no set route. I've had baht bus drivers late at night just stop my ride at Soi 7 or something if I'm the only customer and he wants to head up Central Pattaya Road to go home. I don't pay them when they cut my "expected route" short.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2934376]500 for the room. [/QUOTE]Which Soi 6 bar is charging 500 for the room now?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2934541]For a 20 yes but expect to be 10 1 baht coin taped together. For a 100 you'll likely get some sort of change back but don't expect the correct amount in return. Better off going to 711 first and buy a water or something. By baht bus route I assume you are taking the main tourist route as there are several. Basically up and down Beach Road and Second Road between Terminal 21 and Walking Street. What is does on the ends is up to the baht bus driver. If traffic too heavy the driver will turn up one of the side sois before Walking Street. At the Dolphin Round the driver will usually boot you off at Terminal 21 if he is going back along Beach Road. He may also head to Naklua road. Ie. There is a general route no set route. I've had baht bus drivers late at night just stop my ride at Soi 7 or something if I'm the only customer and he wants to head up Central Pattaya Road to go home. I don't pay them when they cut my "expected route" short.

Which Soi 6 bar is charging 500 for the room now?[/QUOTE]Isn't the baht bus similar to those taxi de ruta vans in Tijuana where you flag them down and hop in and then it drives along a fixed route and you yell something to the driver when you want to get out (in Mexico it's bajan) then you hop out and pay the driver the fee, preferably exact amount in coins or a small bill. I imagine if you paid with a large bill this would be problematic as the driver may not have enough change to give you back your change, and it would take him time to stop anf count out the money for your change even if he did have it. From my life experience in different countries, I would say always carry coins on you for the baht bus.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2934541]I've had baht bus drivers late at night just stop my ride at Soi 7 or something if I'm the only customer and he wants to head up Central Pattaya Road to go home. I don't pay them when they cut my "expected route" short.[/QUOTE]I've had that happen to me, on the last trip there were a number of us on a bus when a group on people with suitcases stopped the driver to make a deal, it must have been a good price as we got kicked off at Central Pattaya Road. I did not pay the driver as well.

Hey bro, I am a silent reader of this forum must acknowledge great trip for you. I am into similar stuff especially recording and play times. Have made several short clips myself and very careful with them. Please do upload photos of all. More fun to see them being recorded & smashed. LOL.

[QUOTE=HrtfrdWhaler49;2934522]I've been lurking off and on for about a year. Mongered stateside since 2014 or so, finally went international late last year after taking a trip to Japan and detouring to Bangkok / Pattaya.

Of note, I don't hang out at bars, down shots, throwback beers, or yuck it up with locals. I'm not into watching ping-pong shows or back alley Thai fights. You'll never find me navigating some shit bar in search of Thai and Russian girls and I could care less about linking (in person) with other mongers and talking shop.

I just wanted young (18-23) asian girls hanging out in my hotel room. Then I wanted to hit 7/11 or exercise for an hour, do some work, then get another young asian girl in my hotel room. That's it.

Every girl was sourced using Thai Friendly. No Beach Road girls, no bar girls, I don't know about this Soi or that Soi, save that for some old monger.

I initially used Line to communicate but my account was banned after awhile. I registered a new line using an eSim but didn't like the UI or feature set of Line. Whatsapp ended up being a much better way to communicate.

Bangkok. Stayed one night in a high-rise hotel right next to Nana. Spent a few hours walking around Nana Plaza, ran into a bunch of African and Thai girls. Wasn't a big fan of the hustle and bustle, didn't hook up with any girls.

Pattaya Part I (4 Nights, Classroom Pattaya) -.

After reading up on a few girl friendly hotels I decided on Classroom Pattaya mainly because of the "side exit," which I imagined to be some private passage through the hotel (it was just a side door next to the main door). Wasn't my favorite spot--the room was pretty barebones and the place had a funky smell to it--but it wasn't too bad. Again, all girls were sourced using Thai Friendly so location didn't matter much to me. I brought in quite a few girls, and seemed to get sketchy looks from the women who worked there. Might have been my imagination though.

I would provide links to TF profiles, but I deleted my TF and Whatsapp history. Besides, it's been 8 or 9 months since all of this happened.

Girl 1: 18, fake breasts, great natural ass, great body. Was down to gag and deepthroat. Pretty good experience.

Girl 2: 22/23, fake breasts, okay body.

Girl 3: 21, good natural body. Was being weird and sketchy so I let her go before doing anything.

Girl 4: 21, fake breasts, okay body, great gagging and deepthroating, left the sheets messy.

Girls 5-8: Pretty much the same as 2 and 4. Young, braces, one had natural breasts, tummy piercings, a tattoo or two, maybe purple hair, sometimes a little chubby in the stomach but nothing crazy. All of them deepthroated, all of them did okay.

Left feeling so-so about Pattaya and the area in general, didn't really see it as the "monger paradise" it's lauded to be. Ended up hitting up other parts of Asia and not really thinking too much about Thailand or mongering for a few weeks.

Pattaya Part II (3 Nights) -.

Ended up returning to Thailand a few weeks later but this time kind of had it figured out. Instead of taking a bus from the airport, I booked an SUV. I stayed at a 5-star hotel across the street from a huge mall. I was far less concerned about appearances and embraced what I was there for. Used the bellboys and hotel staff to my advantage this time around.

As far the girls, I tried to avoid girls with fake breasts this time around. Also avoided porn and other girls for two weeks leading up to it.

Went through 9-10 girls in less than 72-hours.

Standouts:

Girl 1: Had her on the way before checking into the hotel, was worried she would arrive before I got checked in. 21, cute, good body, deepthroated, rode me perfectly, let me record.

Girl 2: Like 3 hours after girl #1. 20, very cute, great body--long black hair, natural breasts, a nice butt, let me in her throat, let me record.

Girl 5: 20, extremely cute. Deepthroated, got on top and rode me while looking straight into my eyes. Great session.

Girl 6: 19, kind of a homely face but a thin natural body, my hand basically covered her whole back. She reminded me of this asian girl from college. She gagged and rode me for an hour.

Girl 9: 23, nice face, okay body. Extremely sloppy deepthroat, was a complete joy to smash. Let me record. She was the last girl I saw.

Left this time loving Pattaya, the area, and the girls.

Final Notes: I don't know if the girls were "into it" or "into me" as you know, I was paying third-world girls to perform sexual acts on me for like 1300-2000 baht. They were on their phones sometimes, they were going through the motion sometimes, but I mean, I wasn't expecting anything else.

Was thinking of going back next week but I'm giving Rio a try instead. I'll head back later this year. Willing to upload a few photos if requested.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2934541]Which Soi 6 bar is charging 500 for the room now?[/QUOTE]Red Point is already 500 since at least May 2024, it was 425 in October 2023.

All the Nightwish bars are 400 for the moment, next step is probably 450.

[QUOTE=HrtfrdWhaler49;2934522]Willing to upload a few photos if requested.[/QUOTE]I don't know if it's appropriate to upload pics of TF girls without their permission.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2934541]
Which Soi 6 bar is charging 500 for the room now?[/QUOTE]Liquid. On north side of road.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2934376]Question: Would the baht bus give me change if I had a 20? What about a 100? I've never taken it, but I know how it works?[/QUOTE]It's always better to have the 10 baht ready when you leave the baht bus. It's a waste of time for the driver to look for the change to give you back, in many cases he is blocking the traffic too. As said by another poster earlier, buy a small 5 baht bottle of water in 7/11 to get the change before boarding the baht bus.

[QUOTE=HrtfrdWhaler49;2934522]

Left feeling so-so about Pattaya and the area in general, didn't really see it as the "monger paradise" it's lauded to be.
.[/QUOTE]Your opinion would rise above the level of silly if you had left your hotel and explored. You can't form an opinion about anywhere just staying in a 30 meter box and calling room service for everything.

[QUOTE=HrtfrdWhaler49;2934522]

Pattaya Part II (3 Nights) -.

Ended up returning to Thailand a few weeks later but this time kind of had it figured out. Instead of taking a bus from the airport, I booked an SUV. I stayed at a 5-star hotel across the street from a huge mall. I was far less concerned about appearances and embraced what I was there for. Used the bellboys and hotel staff to my advantage this time around.

As far the girls, I tried to avoid girls with fake breasts this time around. Also avoided porn and other girls for two weeks leading up to it.

Went through 9-10 girls in less than 72-hours.


.[/QUOTE]Wow 9-10 girls in less than 72 hours! That's impressive!

Did you have 9 -10 shots in those 72 hours?

Or did you have 2-3 shots with each girl, so 20-30 shots in 72 hours?

How old are you?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2934541] Which Soi 6 bar is charging 500 for the room now?[/QUOTE]Also went to Cooters. Their room was 400.

Also forgot to mention that I was able to get the Line of every girl I went upstairs with on Soi 6. So if I liked them enough, I can have them to my hotel without paying the Soi 6 room fee.

What should I be looking to do when I'm in Treetown? There's a larger concentration of establishments than any other place in Pattaya that I've seen. They don't have the Soi 6 type of bars that I know of. I don't smoke or drink and not interested in buying any more than 1 lady drink (and I don't even like buying that one). I briefly stopped at a few places there last December and sat with girls who were obviously just trying to milk me for lady drink money. I went to a BJ bar (Maggie Mays, I believe) that was not much cheaper than FS on Soi 6, with less selection and less attractive girls. I went to a few massage places there and it was BJ only for 1100. Is there something I'm missing as to why this place might be better than Soi 6?

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2934657]Also went to Cooters. Their room was 400.

Also forgot to mention that I was able to get the Line of every girl I went upstairs with on Soi 6. So if I liked them enough, I can have them to my hotel without paying the Soi 6 room fee.[/QUOTE]Should be noted that you can only avoid bar fine when she is not on the clock. If you make a true connection with one of them, arrange to bar fine them just to get them off work. Treat them well and have them throw in the sex for free. Not my thing, but I have a few friends that run that game.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2934797]What should I be looking to do when I'm in Treetown? There's a larger concentration of establishments than any other place in Pattaya that I've seen. They don't have the Soi 6 type of bars that I know of. I don't smoke or drink and not interested in buying any more than 1 lady drink (and I don't even like buying that one). I briefly stopped at a few places there last December and sat with girls who were obviously just trying to milk me for lady drink money. I went to a BJ bar (Maggie Mays, I believe) that was not much cheaper than FS on Soi 6, with less selection and less attractive girls. I went to a few massage places there and it was BJ only for 1100. Is there something I'm missing as to why this place might be better than Soi 6?[/QUOTE]You are nit Missing anything.

Pattaya is all up to you. You make fun of what's available. Go for ugly you'll have the time of your Life.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2934657]Also went to Cooters. Their room was 400.

Also forgot to mention that I was able to get the Line of every girl I went upstairs with on Soi 6. So if I liked them enough, I can have them to my hotel without paying the Soi 6 room fee.[/QUOTE]Most are concerned with what the Girl charges. The room fee is the room fee.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2934798]Should be noted that you can only avoid bar fine when she is not on the clock. If you make a true connection with one of them, arrange to bar fine them just to get them off work. Treat them well and have them throw in the sex for free. Not my thing, but I have a few friends that run that game.[/QUOTE]I still fully plan on paying them. Just rather do it in my hotel room.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2934558]Isn't the baht bus similar to those taxi de ruta vans in Tijuana where you flag them down and hop in and then it drives along a fixed route and you yell something to the driver when you want to get out (in Mexico it's bajan) then you hop out and pay the driver the fee, preferably exact amount in coins or a small bill. I imagine if you paid with a large bill this would be problematic as the driver may not have enough change to give you back your change, and it would take him time to stop anf count out the money for your change even if he did have it. From my life experience in different countries, I would say always carry coins on you for the baht bus.[/QUOTE]Baht bus vs taxi de ruta.

The baht bus is more convenient, there are more of them, they are easy to get in and out (no need for doors because it's never cold in Pattaya like it is in Tijuana in winter).

BTW, it's "baja!" to get off the taxi de ruta.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2934657]Also forgot to mention that I was able to get the Line of every girl I went upstairs with on Soi 6. [/QUOTE]Almost all Soi 6 and beer bar girls will happily give anyone their Line. You don't even need to buy them a drink. Had several last trip who wanted my Line and I refused to give it to them. Some gogo bars have rules no exchanging Line unless you barfine the girl. But we all know rules are meant to be broken there too.

Hi brothers.

I am reaching Pattaya tomorrow and spending 2 days in Pattaya and 1 day in Bangkok. I have here come with a group of work colleagues and staying at Dusit Thani Pattaya. I can't bring girls to my hotel since I will be sharing my room with a colleague.

Please recommend economically priced hotels for ST, preferably near Dusit Thani hotel so that I can take in girls when time permits.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=JohnyBravo;2935036]I can't bring girls to my hotel since I will be sharing my room with a colleague.[/QUOTE]Why not? Coworkers like to fuck too.

[QUOTE=JohnyBravo;2935036]Staying at Dusit Thani Pattaya. I can't bring girls to my hotel since I will be sharing my room with a colleague. Please recommend economically priced hotels for ST, preferably near Dusit Thani hotel. [/QUOTE]I am not aware of any short time hotels near the Dusit Thani. Doesn't mean they don't exist. Perhaps others can recommend.

Another option for ducking away from colleagues for a short time is Soi 6. From the Dusit Thani, walk to Beach Road and catch a baht bus headed south. After about one kilometer you'll see Soi 6 on the left. Plenty of girls, starting in the early afternoon. Short time rooms available in most bars. To return to the Dusit Thani walk east on Soi 6 (away from the beach) to Second Road, then catch a baht bus headed north. You'll pass the Terminal 21 shopping complex on the right, and then arrive at the roundabout with the dolphin statute. The baht bus will turn left and you'll see the Dusit Thani on your right.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2934980]Baht bus vs taxi de ruta.

The baht bus is more convenient, there are more of them, they are easy to get in and out (no need for doors because it's never cold in Pattaya like it is in Tijuana in winter).

BTW, it's "baja!" to get off the taxi de ruta.[/QUOTE]No it's actually "bajan" that they say in Tijuana. I lived there for 7 years before moving to Medellin, Colombia and am fluent in Spanish. You can also say Bajame or "Dejame en el semaforo" o "bajame donde pueda" But when they just say one word they add the and and say "bajan" I think it's a regional thing as I've only heard it in Tijuana and Ensenada.

-Gabacho.

[QUOTE=JohnyBravo;2935036]Hi brothers.

I am reaching Pattaya tomorrow and spending 2 days in Pattaya and 1 day in Bangkok. I have here come with a group of work colleagues and staying at Dusit Thani Pattaya. I can't bring girls to my hotel since I will be sharing my room with a colleague.

Please recommend economically priced hotels for ST, preferably near Dusit Thani hotel so that I can take in girls when time permits.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]If resources allow, rent another room. Suggestion Pattaya Garden Resort 600 - 700 THB / night. Short Time; Long Time; on your time. Enjoy!

[B]How you like me now?[/B]

Hey folks. Arriving in Pattaya tonight and looking forward to some good times with friends here. I spent the last 5 hours or so on the plan readying the last 100 pages, so feel pretty up to the date with the ranges (counting in factors, location, etc). Thank you to everyone for the amazing reports, and looking forward to a solid 3 weeks of vacation / relaxing / self-care and partying.

One thing that was not really covered though, electronica / dance clubs? While I enjoy fucking just as much as you guys, I'm really into techno / dance paired with psychedelics. (I LOVE ME SOME RAVER GIRLS TOO). Everywhere I go in the world I like to find those types of clubs. (mostly because I enjoy the music and love to dance), but the types of girls that attracts (younger, covered in tattoos and substance users) are really my cup of tea Nothing like having a solid BB threesome + ecstasy. Makes every session "the best session ever'.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2935251]Hey folks. Arriving in Pattaya tonight and looking forward to some good times with friends here. I spent the last 5 hours or so on the plan readying the last 100 pages, so feel pretty up to the date with the ranges (counting in factors, location, etc). Thank you to everyone for the amazing reports, and looking forward to a solid 3 weeks of vacation / relaxing / self-care and partying.

One thing that was not really covered though, electronica / dance clubs? While I enjoy fucking just as much as you guys, I'm really into techno / dance paired with psychedelics. (I LOVE ME SOME RAVER GIRLS TOO). Everywhere I go in the world I like to find those types of clubs. (mostly because I enjoy the music and love to dance), but the types of girls that attracts (younger, covered in tattoos and substance users) are really my cup of tea Nothing like having a solid BB threesome + ecstasy. Makes every session "the best session ever'.[/QUOTE]Brother, strong word of advice. Do not look for coke and be very careful. It will not be coke, it will be special k and you could end up in a very bad spot. Trust me. Best of luck.

[QUOTE=JohnyBravo;2935036]Hi brothers.

I am reaching Pattaya tomorrow and spending 2 days in Pattaya and 1 day in Bangkok. I have here come with a group of work colleagues and staying at Dusit Thani Pattaya. I can't bring girls to my hotel since I will be sharing my room with a colleague.

Please recommend economically priced hotels for ST, preferably near Dusit Thani hotel so that I can take in girls when time permits.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Every girl you hand money to for the purpose of exersizing your plethora of filthy and perverted acts of loathesome fluid spewing will know a seedy place you can take her.

Girls used to get kickbacks from the ST hotels in BKK years ago.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2935251]One thing that was not really covered though, electronica / dance clubs? While I enjoy fucking just as much as you guys, I'm really into techno / dance paired with psychedelics. (I LOVE ME SOME RAVER GIRLS TOO). Everywhere I go in the world I like to find those types of clubs. (mostly because I enjoy the music and love to dance), but the types of girls that attracts (younger, covered in tattoos and substance users) are really my cup of tea [/QUOTE]Republic first and Insomnia second. I do not think the chicks there are substance users and may or may not be covered in tattoos, but that is the music you seek.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2935251]Hey folks. Arriving in Pattaya tonight and looking forward to some good times with friends here. I spent the last 5 hours or so on the plan readying the last 100 pages, so feel pretty up to the date with the ranges (counting in factors, location, etc). Thank you to everyone for the amazing reports, and looking forward to a solid 3 weeks of vacation / relaxing / self-care and partying.

One thing that was not really covered though, electronica / dance clubs? While I enjoy fucking just as much as you guys, I'm really into techno / dance paired with psychedelics. (I LOVE ME SOME RAVER GIRLS TOO). Everywhere I go in the world I like to find those types of clubs. (mostly because I enjoy the music and love to dance), but the types of girls that attracts (younger, covered in tattoos and substance users) are really my cup of tea Nothing like having a solid BB threesome + ecstasy. Makes every session "the best session ever'.[/QUOTE]World house Pattaya just opened, looks really nice from the videos I've seen. Impact looks cool also. Going to be there on Halloween. I like the trippy dubstep / downtempo more than house but I'll still check out these places. Can't waigg to to be back .83 more days.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2935251]...

One thing that was not really covered though, electronica / dance clubs? While I enjoy fucking just as much as you guys, I'm really into techno / dance paired with psychedelics. (I LOVE ME SOME RAVER GIRLS TOO). Everywhere I go in the world I like to find those types of clubs. (mostly because I enjoy the music and love to dance), but the types of girls that attracts (younger, covered in tattoos and substance users) are really my cup of tea Nothing like having a solid BB threesome + ecstasy. Makes every session "the best session ever'.[/QUOTE]I'm with you there, but TH is not a good country to shop for E. Too damned risky, zero tolerance, endless jail sentences for minute amounts. Not to mention that party tablets in TH are mostly crappy meth, don't ask me why I don't know. You'll have more luck in Jakarta but the risk of spending the rest of your life in jail is about the same as in TH. Sao Paulo rocks (but the BB aspect may be missing, aaargh!).

Partying with cannabis is your best bet in TH. Yes, I know, it's ... only cannabis. But it's much better than nothing and you'l have your peace of mind.

[QUOTE=XXL;2935372]I'm with you there, but TH is not a good country to shop for E. Too damned risky, zero tolerance, endless jail sentences for minute amounts. Not to mention that party tablets in TH are mostly crappy meth, don't ask me why I don't know. You'll have more luck in Jakarta but the risk of spending the rest of your life in jail is about the same as in TH. Sao Paulo rocks (but the BB aspect may be missing, aaargh!).

Partying with cannabis is your best bet in TH. Yes, I know, it's ... only cannabis. But it's much better than nothing and you'l have your peace of mind.[/QUOTE]The BB scene in Sao Paulo is amazing, just 2-3 x as expensive.

Looks like the Soi 6 bouncers are at it again. 65 year old man in ICU for a head injury after being struck by a Soi 6 bouncer.

[URL]https://www.pattayamail.com/news/brutal-assault-on-canadian-raises-serious-questions-about-tourist-safety-in-pattaya-467900[/URL]

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2935398]The BB scene in Sao Paulo is amazing, just 2-3 x as expensive.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XXL;2935372]Sao Paulo rocks (but the BB aspect may be missing, aaargh!).

Partying with cannabis is your best bet in TH. Yes, I know, it's ... only cannabis. But it's much better than nothing and you'l have your peace of mind.[/QUOTE]By BB I am assuming you guys are talking about BBFS, yes? No? If yes, XXL is right. SP girls rock, and real bisexual threesomes can be easily arranged, but I average around 10% BBFS or less the first night with a Brazilian girl. Your chances go up the more times you see a particular girl.

High quality wine from Argentina, Chile, and Italy is available in wine stores scattered around the city. The wine selection is higher in SP & RJ than that found in BKK liquor stores. Acceptable quality flower can be delivered to any location specified within 30 minutes of placing an order, but you will need a local debit card to place an order. Many Brazilian girls smoke reefer. The girls can help you with that. Tequila is not popular in Brazil. Most girls I know don't like it. They prefer gin or vino. I don't give a shit about chemical drugs, but I am sure many girls can hook you up if that is what you want.

Recently saw this on some website and was curious if there's such a chart for Pattaya.

Name BF LD Beer ST. LG.

Angelwitch Gogo Bar 700 185 170 2-3 K 4-5 K.

Spanky's Gogo Bar 700 170 170 2-3 K 4-5 K.

Geisha Gogo Bar *# 1000 170 165 2-3 K 4-5 K.

Butterflies * 800 170 140 2-3 K 4-5 K 60.

TwisterBKK 1000 185 165 2-3 K 4-5 K.

Billboard *# 800 185 170 2-3 K 4-5 K.

Twister *# 1000 185 165 2-3 K 4-5 K 30.

Dollhouse (Downstairs) 800 180 150 2-3 K 4-5 K 15.

Dollhouse (Upstairs) 800 180 150 2-3 K 4-5 K 10.

Tilac 1000 180 180 2-3 K 4-5 K 20.

Lighthouse Gogo Bar 800 165 165 2-3 K 4-5 K 12.

Shark 800 180 165 2-3 K 4-5 K 25.

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2935493]Recently saw this on some website and was curious if there's such a chart for Pattaya.

Name BF LD Beer ST. LG.

Angelwitch Gogo Bar 700 185 170 2-3 K 4-5 K.

Spanky's Gogo Bar 700 170 170 2-3 K 4-5 K.

Geisha Gogo Bar *# 1000 170 165 2-3 K 4-5 K.

Butterflies * 800 170 140 2-3 K 4-5 K 60.

TwisterBKK 1000 185 165 2-3 K 4-5 K.

Billboard *# 800 185 170 2-3 K 4-5 K.

Twister *# 1000 185 165 2-3 K 4-5 K 30.

Dollhouse (Downstairs) 800 180 150 2-3 K 4-5 K 15.

Dollhouse (Upstairs) 800 180 150 2-3 K 4-5 K 10.

Tilac 1000 180 180 2-3 K 4-5 K 20.

Lighthouse Gogo Bar 800 165 165 2-3 K 4-5 K 12.

Shark 800 180 165 2-3 K 4-5 K 25.[/QUOTE]Is this some kind of DNA sequencing?

Hello,

I am 22, from Germany and plan to come to Thailand for my first time.

Everybody says Thailand is the best and heaven on earth when it comes to a sex holiday, mainly Pattaya.

I plan to spend 2 months, but I don't know if I will like it there.

I'm looking for GFE, BBFS-CIP, DFK, LT (overnight) only with slim girls (40 kg) aged 18-20 max.

However, when I am looking Youtube videos of the scenes at Soi 6 and Beach Road, most bar girls are not at all appealing and too worn out (like 25 and above, plastic surgery), so I am a bit worried if the destination is only for the older generation 50+ or if young guys like me can have fun here with young, skinny Freelancers the same age?

Most of the reports I read here were only ST.

Does ST in Thailand mean 1 hour or 1 pop? I'm at least looking at 3 pops because I cum really really quick.

I hate that in Germany, you pay the prostitute 150-200€ and she runs away after first pop (2 minutes) even though we agreed on 1 hour.

How are Thai girls in general, do they make big dramas or come with an attitude if they see me on the street with another girl because I don't need this.

Pattaya, Bankok or another Asian country for me?

[QUOTE=XXL;2935598]Is this some kind of DNA sequencing?[/QUOTE]Seems pretty straight forward to me. Name, Barfine, lady drink, Short time Long time. I would imagine.

Or am I missing something?

NI.

Went to Pattaya first time after the post covid, a complete shitshow, too crowded and too loud, it was way different before covid.

[QUOTE=DerTyperb;2935614]Hello,

I am 22, from Germany and plan to come to Thailand for my first time.[/QUOTE]The answer is yes, it's still good for youngsters. Don't overthink it too much, come have a look, feel the cultural differences of the country, look what works best for you. Don't worry, you'll have other opportunities to visit other countries in the future.

[QUOTE=DerTyperb;2935614]Does ST in Thailand mean 1 hour or 1 pop? I'm at least looking at 3 pops because I cum really really quick.[/QUOTE]ST means 1 shot and she will expect you to pay the same price than the guy who fucks her for 2 hours non stop. That's unfair for you, but it's the way it works.

If you want more shots, you'll have to negociate it with her before going with her, which might mean paying more unless they find you very interresting.

[QUOTE=DerTyperb;2935614]I hate that in Germany, you pay the prostitute 150-200 and she runs away after first pop (2 minutes) even though we agreed on 1 hour.[/QUOTE]Bangkok oilies (massage parlor in which sex is offered) might work better for you.

In Pattaya most girls will try to make you finish as quick as they can. In Bangkok oilies, you pay for the time you're spending with her in the room. You just have to find the places where 2 shots are offered (in some places they charge more) and if you need more shots, you might negociate it directly with her in the room (Pattaya doesn't have these kind of massage parlors).

[QUOTE=DerTyperb;2935614]How are Thai girls in general, do they make big dramas or come with an attitude if they see me on the street with another girl because I don't need this.[/QUOTE]Yes that's the way they are, if emotions are involved there will be drama, if she feels she can manipulate you, there will be drama too. You'll have to find your way to deal with it.

If you are looking for skinny and GFE then Angelis clark is the best. You may have any other activities to do during the day.

But its suits your interest and they are very friendly and lots of young stuff is available post COVID.

You can try other cities of Philippines for your 2 months vacation. You can make a girl friend from Angelis or Manila and take her.

To Boracay and other Islands.

[QUOTE=DerTyperb;2935614]Hello,

I am 22, from Germany and plan to come to Thailand for my first time.

Everybody says Thailand is the best and heaven on earth when it comes to a sex holiday, mainly Pattaya.

I plan to spend 2 months, but I don't know if I will like it there.

I'm looking for GFE, BBFS-CIP, DFK, LT (overnight) only with slim girls (40 kg) aged 18-20 max.

However, when I am looking Youtube videos of the scenes at Soi 6 and Beach Road, most bar girls are not at all appealing and too worn out (like 25 and above, plastic surgery), so I am a bit worried if the destination is only for the older generation 50+ or if young guys like me can have fun here with young, skinny Freelancers the same age?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SladeWilson;2935676]Went to Pattaya first time after the post covid, a complete shitshow, too crowded and too loud, it was way different before covid.[/QUOTE]Yeah, Pattaya is so crowded, nobody goes there anymore.

[QUOTE=DerTyperb;2935614]I am 22, from Germany and plan to come to Thailand for my first time. Everybody says Thailand is the best and heaven on earth when it comes to a sex holiday, mainly Pattaya. I plan to spend 2 months, but I don't know if I will like it there. I'm looking for GFE, BBFS-CIP, DFK, LT (overnight) only with slim girls (40 kg) aged 18-20 max.[/QUOTE]My nephew first came to Thailand when he was 17 and he saw all the girls as being too old for him. He came back at the start of covid when he was 18 and it was the same thing. Despite what you read, do not get your hopes up that there are plenty of 18-20 year old hookers hanging around. That is definitely not the case.

[QUOTE=DerTyperb;2935614]Hello,

I am 22, from Germany and plan to come to Thailand for my first time.

Everybody says Thailand is the best and heaven on earth when it comes to a sex holiday, mainly Pattaya.

I plan to spend 2 months, but I don't know if I will like it there.

I'm looking for GFE, BBFS-CIP, DFK, LT (overnight) only with slim girls (40 kg) aged 18-20 max.

However, when I am looking Youtube videos of the scenes at Soi 6 and Beach Road, most bar girls are not at all appealing and too worn out (like 25 and above, plastic surgery), so I am a bit worried if the destination is only for the older generation 50+ or if young guys like me can have fun here with young, skinny Freelancers the same age?

Most of the reports I read here were only ST.

Does ST in Thailand mean 1 hour or 1 pop? I'm at least looking at 3 pops because I cum really really quick.

I hate that in Germany, you pay the prostitute 150-200 and she runs away after first pop (2 minutes) even though we agreed on 1 hour.

How are Thai girls in general, do they make big dramas or come with an attitude if they see me on the street with another girl because I don't need this.

Pattaya, Bankok or another Asian country for me?[/QUOTE]You shouldn't be paying for sex at your age. Go to the philippines, download tinder and have all the free sex you want.

Also why are you cumming in 2 minutes, you should look into that.

[QUOTE=DerTyperb;2935614]Hello,

I am 22, from Germany and plan to come to Thailand for my first time.

Everybody says Thailand is the best and heaven on earth when it comes to a sex holiday, mainly Pattaya....[/QUOTE]If you are specifically looking for paid sex, then there are plenty of options in Pattaya or BKK. However, there is no need for a young white guy to pay for sex in any Asian country. Even more so in the countries where the girls are naturally very out going. I'm thinking Philippines and Indonesia. A lost white kid walking around town or the mall will be bombarded with opportunities from normal girls. Just be polite and friendly.

Don't discount bargirls offering to meet up for freebies before / after work or hooking up with foreigner girl groups in the tourist beach towns.

Pattaya is wall to wall bars and girls but for a younger guy, I'd recommend Philippines or Indonesia. There is a lot more to do there and you will be tripping over pussy so it doesn't need to be your first priority.

Enjoy. G.

P.S. If you're cumming quickly is only youthful excitement, that's no problem. You will find many girls in the above situations happy to drain you dry so things don't happen too soon. However, if it is true Premature Ejaculations, then you should have a word to a doc or similar back home to see what can be done.

Good luck. I'd love to be 20 in Asia again!!

Will be landing around the 13th.

PM me if anybody wants to meet up.

I don't know about you guys but between soi 6, TF, bars, go go bars, and FLs, I meet tons of young girls from 18-24. I am 54.

[QUOTE=BroComplex;2935784]You shouldn't be paying for sex at your age. Go to the philippines, download tinder and have all the free sex you want.
[/QUOTE]Some of the hostels filled with backpacker chicks look like they might be fun for a 20 year old guy too. Such as this one in Siem Reap.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsiY-IXHcsE[/URL] or full moon parties.

I thought Germany was supposedly a hot locations with all their FKK clubs. A young German dude shouldn't even need to leave home to have fun if he's wanting to pay for it.

I have met plenty of girls between 18 - 24 in Pattaya. All my regulars are between 30 - 40. [B]No free sex but I know why now[/B]. I don't fit into the category below:

[QUOTE=Goferring;2935803]However, [b]there is no need for a young white guy to pay for sex in any Asian country[/b].[/QUOTE]It is a exercise for the reader to figure out if I am not young or not white or both.

[QUOTE=TooDirty;2935939]Some of the hostels filled with backpacker chicks look like they might be fun for a 20 year old guy too. Such as this one in Siem Reap.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsiY-IXHcsE[/URL] or full moon parties.

I thought Germany was supposedly a hot locations with all their FKK clubs. A young German dude shouldn't even need to leave home to have fun if he's wanting to pay for it.[/QUOTE]I was going to respond in a similar fashion about Germany.

As to backpacker chicks, that's my ticket in Siem Reap. Daddy issues. Money. Shower. Weed. AC.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2935973]I was going to respond in a similar fashion about Germany.

As to backpacker chicks, that's my ticket in Siem Reap. Daddy issues. Money. Shower. Weed. AC.[/QUOTE]Sex at FKK is different than in Pattaya.

I think Germans can elaborate better, but money aside (airfare, accommodation and lodging, girl fees) the Pattaya experience is one of a kind.

Just like the Macau Sauna experience can't be replicated elsewhere (in a certain way).

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2936007]Sex at FKK is different than in Pattaya.

I think Germans can elaborate better, but money aside (airfare, accommodation and lodging, girl fees) the Pattaya experience is one of a kind.

Just like the Macau Sauna experience can't be replicated elsewhere (in a certain way).[/QUOTE]Well I just hit FKK Sharks, you can see my reviews over in that section. Food and Euro pussy, worth a once a year trip.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2936007]Sex at FKK is different than in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Sex in Germany is much more mechanical. If you get a really great girl that girl is great with even 70 year old bald men. It's the very odd exception where a girl is a gem with you and she is awful with other guys. I had one at GT who I always had a great time with her in and out of rooms but I never read a single positive review of her on any board. She is an exception.

In Thailand when you are there long/often enough girls get used to your ugly mug and start developing deep feelings for you whether you want them to or not. Even when the money stops they don't leave cause you're still better to hang out with than the riff raff paying for their time.

Try getting a FKK girl to go with you overnight. The cost will be astronomical. I'm not a LT guy but overnight stays is a huge advantage in places like PP, PI, Thailand, etc over many places in the world.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2936044]

In Thailand there are those types of girls too but when you live there girls get used to your ugly mug and start developing deep feelings for you whether you want them to or not. Even when the money stops they don't leave cause you're still better to hang out with than the riff raff paying for their time.
[/QUOTE]Wow. You must be very special to have money guys hanging out with you after your money runs out.

Most Pattaya ladies I know are constantly hounded for money by family and the Thai boyfriend, so if a customer doesn't have money, they have to find another.

Maybe your ladies are different.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2936044]..........Try getting a FKK girl to go with you overnight. The cost will be astronomical. I'm not a LT guy but overnight stays is a huge advantage in places like PP, PI, Thailand, etc over many places in the world.[/QUOTE]When I first started going to FKKs in the early 2000's it was easy to spend time outside the FKK with working girls especially women from Hungary and some other Eastern European countries. Sometimes you did not have to pay for sex if you showed them a good time by taking them to restaurants and clubs. It is totally different now. For over ten years now the girls would make you pay through the roof.

[QUOTE=DerTyperb;2935614]Hello,

I'm looking for GFE, BBFS-CIP, DFK, LT (overnight) only with slim girls (40 kg) aged 18-20 max.


Pattaya, Bankok or another Asian country for me?[/QUOTE]You shouldn't be able to find what you want in Thailand as the legal age to enter a bar in any circumstance is 20 so there should not be 18 and 19 year olds working to get lady drinks in there.

Also in a sense Pattaya beauties are a needle in a haystack, you're not going to see beauty there at the level of 18-20 year olds you could catch sight of in a Bangkok mall (especially Central Embassy), not even close.

Yes in truth when I'm in Thailand I often find myself lusting over the high society rich girls who are untouchable, in my mind they mostly have a completely different look you're not likely to find in any prostitution venue.

Being from the US I honestly feel you're missing out if you are not hitting up Vienna venues like Relax Studio. The costs in Europe are unbelievably low, you can easily bang outside Frankfurt BBFS for 50 euros. The same service in the USA is 250-400 USD. And in Asia or Colombia prices are generally only a tiny bit cheaper than Germany. The problem is that your target age range isn't common in Vienna. Best bet where it's easy to consistently find 18/19 I guess is the Philippines and Medellin, Colombia.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2936045]Most Pattaya ladies I know are constantly hounded for money by family and the Thai boyfriend, so if a customer doesn't have money, they have to find another.

Maybe your ladies are different.[/QUOTE]Like I've always said, we seemingly hang out with an entirely different group/quality of girls. I'm with above average gogo girls not girls who work on Soi 25. They already make tons of money. They likely have multiple Sponsors but I never ask them about that crap. They don't scramble to make money for food daily, for rent money at the end of the month, or ask me to help them with money issues to feed their Hamsters.

I just got here yesterday (Friday) morning. Arrived via China Airlines from SFO to TPE to BKK then took the 143 baht bus to Pattaya. I'm staying at a nice Airbnb near Beach Rd and so far have seen 5 women from Thai Friendly. All have been BBFSCIP except for one and not one of them has upcharged or asked for extra money. So far I have paying between 1200 to per session.

More details and reviews to come soon after I get some rest.

I also want to send a special thanks out to SubCmdr who helped me out with lots of valuable information that I used to plan my trip. His knowledge and expertise in Pattaya is unparalleled and thanks to his help everything from the airport bus to airbnb to using the ATMs and sourcing from TF has been a smooth process.

I will check out the freelancers on beach road after I get some rest and report back on what I find. I don't descriminate just based off the fact they are freelancers on beach Road. That doesn't necessarily mean they have Stds or steal from customers. But I will take precautions when I do pull from Beach Rd. So far Thai Friendly definitely has not disappointed.

Also a thank you goes out to Mr Enternational who gave me some good advice about not specifically asking for BBFS beforehand because that is like inviting them to charge you more. I've been just going with the flow and I only had 1 out of 5 that insisted on using a condom. That's an 80% BBFS rate so far from Thai Friendly providers. Of course I'm taking doxycycline so please I don't need any lectures or disrespectful comments from the peanut gallery, post it in the safe sex section if you must.

-Gabacho.

[QUOTE=Parasitius;2936275]You shouldn't be able to find what you want in Thailand as the legal age to enter a bar in any circumstance is 20 so there should not be 18 and 19 year olds working to get lady drinks in there.[/QUOTE]I believe that the visitors have to be at least 20 years old, not the girls working there. The latter have to be at least 18.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2936301]Because he was too cheap to use a land border run agent.[/QUOTE]Please elaborate on the difference: because the agents have connections?

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2936366]I believe that the visitors have to be at least 20 years old, not the girls working there. The latter have to be at least 18.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Parasitius;2936275]You shouldn't be able to find what you want in Thailand as the legal age to enter a bar in any circumstance is 20 so there should not be 18 and 19 year olds working to get lady drinks in there.
[/QUOTE]Per check of Thai ID at hotel check in, I've pulled a number of under 20 girls from Thailand bars. Of course, the quantity of over 40 girls far exceeds the quantity of under 20 girls.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2936324] So far I have paying between 1200 to per session..[/QUOTE]Sorry for the typo. I meant to say between 1200 and 1500 baht per session*.

Update: the numbers are now 6 total of which 5 were BBFS.

The most recent one (a 26 year who normally works in a bar on soi buakhao) told me she usually makes ​50 baht per lady drink that guys buy her, she was very happy with the 1200 baht I gave her for the service and I was completely satisfied as well.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2936377]Sorry but you should know that the inappropriate and too often incorrect use of antibiotics has contributed to the development and spread of bacteria that have become resistant to antibiotics. This resistance develops when a bacterium transforms and develops defense mechanisms, reducing or canceling the action of the antibiotics that fight it.

This resistance of bacteria to antibiotics, called antibiotic resistance, has developed gradually and could become one of the main causes of mortality in the world.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your concern, however your misguided post is in the wrong section. This is the Pattaya Reports section. As per the forum rules you should post this comment in the safe sex in Thailand section. I believe there was a whole big discussion not too long ago about posting in the appropriate sections.

-Gabacho.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2936398]Per check of Thai ID at hotel check in, I've pulled a number of under 20 girls from Thailand bars. Of course, the quantity of over 40 girls far exceeds the quantity of under 20 girls.[/QUOTE]I'm no lawyer, but I believe the law is that prostitution is illegal (or more illegal) if the girl is under 20. It's not illegal to bang a 18 year old girl, so there is no reason the hotel should deny her entry. It is however, afaik, illegal to pay her money to bang her.

I suspect that is also why e.g. Fiwfans, a p4p site that caters to Thai people, does not have anyone under 20. You cannot even search for anyone under 20.

Just got to Pattaya after a 10 month hiatus on Sunday. Once I have been for a week, reports will follow. But damn, there was a ton of road traffic in central Pattaya and the malls were packed. Is this an every weekend occurrence, or was some event (s) going on?

As an aside, on my first day I was tired and just wanted an oil massage before heading back to my room for rest. I wasn't planning on a happy ending but as the massage neared it's end, the massage lady made the jack off hand motion LOL. I replied how much. She replied 1,000 thb and I laughed and said no thanks. She then said how much to which I said 500 thb. Done deal. Had a nice massage and release for 800 thb total. I'm sure I could get it for 600-700 thb total but I didn't care.

Damn it feels good to be back in Pattaya!

Reports coming soon.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2936524]I'm no lawyer, but I believe the law is that prostitution is illegal (or more illegal) if the girl is under 20. It's not illegal to bang a 18 year old girl, so there is no reason the hotel should deny her entry. It is however, afaik, illegal to pay her money to bang her.

I suspect that is also why e.g. Fiwfans, a p4p site that caters to Thai people, does not have anyone under 20. You cannot even search for anyone under 20.[/QUOTE]Prostitution is illegal no matter the age, but obviously allowed by the police.

[URL]https://thailandexplained.com/prostitution-in-thailand/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.siam-legal.com/thailand-law/is-prostitution-legal-in-thailand/[/URL]

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2936652]Prostitution is illegal no matter the age, but obviously allowed by the police.[/QUOTE]Prostitution is not illegal. Only profiting from it is illegal. Like a pimp, for example.
EihTooms has made several posts about this in the past, and so has a forum member who's name I forgot, but he was a Belgian lawyer IIRC.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2936672]Prostitution is not illegal. Only profiting from it is illegal. Like a pimp, for example.
EihTooms has made several posts about this in the past, and so has a forum member who's name I forgot, but he was a Belgian lawyer IIRC.[/QUOTE]If you don't know then don't say. It is illegal, but tolerated in certain circumstances. The main law that focuses on the service providers is this 1st one.

[B]The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act:

This Act prohibits both male and female prostitution in public places and brothels and classifies prostitution as illegal. Anyone who is caught offering sexual services will be fined a minimum of 1,000 THB. Penalties for those supervising them, such as brothel owners, are higher, as this Act is not focused on punishing the sex workers themselves.[/B]

The Penal Code Amendment Act:

Section 286 of the Penal Code Amendment Act states that anyone over the age of 16 who subsists on the earnings of a prostitute will be imprisoned for 7 to 20 years and fined from 14,000 to 40,000 THB. Convicted offenders can even be imprisoned for life.

This does not apply to those who rely on financial support from a prostitute who is required by law or morality to provide it.

The Anti-Trafficking in Persons Act:

This Act criminalizes all forms of human trafficking, including sex trafficking which involves the recruitment, transfer, and exploitation of individuals for the purpose of forced prostitution. The Act also imposes severe penalties on those who assist and patronize the traffickers.

Fines and Penalties.

To demonstrate what is prohibited and what is not and the consequences that come from infractions, below are two of the many laws stated in the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act:

Section 6: Anyone who associates with another person in a prostitution establishment for the purpose of prostitution will be imprisoned for up to 1 month and fined no more than 1,000 THB. Penalties increase after repeated offenses, and deportation and blacklisting from Thailand are also possible. Furthermore, should the solicitation violate other laws and codes, as detailed below, the penalties can accumulate.

Section 8: Anyone who has sexual intercourse with or acts otherwise against a person over the age of 15 but under 18 in a prostitution establishment, with or without their consent, will be imprisoned for up to 3 years and fined between 20,000 to 60,000 THB. However, if it's sexual intercourse with a minor (under the age of 15), the offender will be imprisoned for 2 to 6 years and fined between 40,000 to 120,000 THB.

Below are a few of the laws taken from the Penal Code:

Section 277: Sexual intercourse with a minor (under the age of 15) who is neither the wife nor the husband will result in imprisonment for 4 to 20 years.

Section 279: Anyone who commits an act of indecency to a minor (under the age of 15) will be imprisoned for up to 10 years and face a fine of 20,000 THB. If the act of indecency was committed through threat, violence, or fraud, the offender will be imprisoned for up to 15 years and fined no more than 30,000 THB.

Section 280: Anyone who commits an act of indecency to a minor (under the age of 15) and causes bodily harm will be imprisoned for 5 to 20 years and fined between 10,000 to 40,000 THB. If this results in the death of the minor, the offender will receive a death sentence or lifetime imprisonment.

Section 282: Anyone who procures, seduces, or takes a male or female in order to gratify the sexual desire of a third party without their consent will be imprisoned for up to 10 years and fined up to 2,000 to 20,000 THB. If that person is over the age of 15 but under 18, then the offender will be imprisoned for 3 to 15 years and fined between 6,000 to 30,000 THB.

So, in the end, it's illegal, but the large fines and punishments are given to the brothel owners and people who live off of the girls, not the girls and the customers. After looking at these laws, one would wonder how Pattaya even exists. The answer is very simple. TIT.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2936711]If you don't know then don't say. It is illegal, but tolerated in certain circumstances. The main law that focuses on the service providers is this 1st one.

[B]The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act:

This Act prohibits both male and female prostitution in public places and brothels and classifies prostitution as illegal. Anyone who is caught offering sexual services will be fined a minimum of 1,000 THB. Penalties for those supervising them, such as brothel owners, are higher, as this Act is not focused on punishing the sex workers themselves.[/B]

The Penal Code Amendment Act:

Section 286 of the Penal Code Amendment Act states that anyone over the age of 16 who subsists on the earnings of a prostitute will be imprisoned for 7 to 20 years and fined from 14,000 to 40,000 THB. Convicted offenders can even be imprisoned for life.

This does not apply to those who rely on financial support from a prostitute who is required by law or morality to provide it.

The Anti-Trafficking in Persons Act:

This Act criminalizes all forms of human trafficking, including sex trafficking which involves the recruitment, transfer, and exploitation of individuals for the purpose of forced prostitution. The Act also imposes severe penalties on those who assist and patronize the traffickers.

Fines and Penalties.

To demonstrate what is prohibited and what is not and the consequences that come from infractions, below are two of the many laws stated in the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act:

Section 6: Anyone who associates with another person in a prostitution establishment for the purpose of prostitution will be imprisoned for up to 1 month and fined no more than 1,000 THB. Penalties increase after repeated offenses, and deportation and blacklisting from Thailand are also possible. Furthermore, should the solicitation violate other laws and codes, as detailed below, the penalties can accumulate.

Section 8: Anyone who has sexual intercourse with or acts otherwise against a person over the age of 15 but under 18 in a prostitution establishment, with or without their consent, will be imprisoned for up to 3 years and fined between 20,000 to 60,000 THB. However, if it's sexual intercourse with a minor (under the age of 15), the offender will be imprisoned for 2 to 6 years and fined between 40,000 to 120,000 THB.

Below are a few of the laws taken from the Penal Code:

Section 277: Sexual intercourse with a minor (under the age of 15) who is neither the wife nor the husband will result in imprisonment for 4 to 20 years.

Section 279: Anyone who commits an act of indecency to a minor (under the age of 15) will be imprisoned for up to 10 years and face a fine of 20,000 THB. If the act of indecency was committed through threat, violence, or fraud, the offender will be imprisoned for up to 15 years and fined no more than 30,000 THB.

Section 280: Anyone who commits an act of indecency to a minor (under the age of 15) and causes bodily harm will be imprisoned for 5 to 20 years and fined between 10,000 to 40,000 THB. If this results in the death of the minor, the offender will receive a death sentence or lifetime imprisonment.

Section 282: Anyone who procures, seduces, or takes a male or female in order to gratify the sexual desire of a third party without their consent will be imprisoned for up to 10 years and fined up to 2,000 to 20,000 THB. If that person is over the age of 15 but under 18, then the offender will be imprisoned for 3 to 15 years and fined between 6,000 to 30,000 THB.

So, in the end, it's illegal, but the large fines and punishments are given to the brothel owners and people who live off of the girls, not the girls and the customers. After looking at these laws, one would wonder how Pattaya even exists. The answer is very simple. TIT.[/QUOTE]Most of what you wrote is in the Thai Penal Code link I posted earlier. Still, none of it, including the part you highlighted, addresses the issue of someone accepting money for sex or paying money for sex.

Soliciting in public has long been an offense that street hookers can and do get busted for. Which aligns with laws about public nuisance.

Trafficking? Essentially the same as the "procurement" issue.

Brothels? Same as go-go bars and clubs where the owners or management are profiting from someone else in their establishment engaging in prostitution.

But the simple act of prostitution as practiced between consenting aduls is nowhere to be found in the Thai Penal Code or in your post here.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2936720]Most of what you wrote is in the Thai Penal Code link I posted earlier. Still, none of it, including the part you highlighted, addresses the issue of someone accepting money for sex or paying money for sex.

Soliciting in public has long been an offense that street hookers can and do get busted for. Which aligns with laws about public nuisance.

Trafficking? Essentially the same as the "procurement" issue.

Brothels? Same as go-go bars and clubs where the owners or management are profiting from someone else in their establishment engaging in prostitution.

But the simple act of prostitution as practiced between consenting aduls is nowhere to be found in the Thai Penal Code or in your post here.[/QUOTE]

Answering you in the other section.

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[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2936638]Just got to Pattaya after a 10 month hiatus on Sunday. Once I have been for a week, reports will follow. But damn, there was a ton of road traffic in central Pattaya and the malls were packed. Is this an every weekend occurrence, or was some event (s) going on?[/QUOTE]August 12. Mother's Day. The Queen Mother's birthday.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2936720]Soliciting in public has long been an offense that street hookers can and do get busted for. Which aligns with laws about public nuisance.[/QUOTE]They actually get them for loitering, not soliciting. They are usually just standing there when the cops pick them up, take them to jail, and charge them a 1000 baht fine.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2936638]Sunday Traffic

But damn, there was a ton of road traffic in central Pattaya and the malls were packed. Is this an every weekend occurrence, or was some event (s) going on?[/QUOTE]Today (Monday) is Mother's Day in Thailand so may have been people having Mother's day lunch/dinner on Sunday if they had to work on Monday.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2936738]They actually get them for loitering, not soliciting. They are usually just standing there when the cops pick them up, take them to jail, and charge them a 1000 baht fine.[/QUOTE]True. But I suspect if you and I are standing in those same areas and for as long, the cops would probably not bat an eye or round us up and arrest us for loitering. The rounding up of girls or ladyboys in that way is really meant to "suppress" (to reference a certain interesting word) the public flaunting of prostitution, which Thailand has always outlawed in one way or another. Lord forbid a casual observer think an actual prostitution "industry" is allowed to exist here.

But Thai law has nothing to say about consenting adults exchanging sex for money in private. Unlike the televised sting operation busts of such an exchange or attempt to do so in hotel rooms that we have all seen in, say, Las Vegas or almost any big city in the USA, no official crime is being committed between a prostitute and his / her customer in Thailand when it is done that way.

Now, what could be new and different in that PREVENTION and SUPPRESSION of Prostitution Act (why not say criminalized, outlawed or made illegal with no reference to setting up a business, soliciting in public, profiting from someone else doing all the work, etc? But I digress) is the part where the Act addresses the customer and prostitute who negotiate a P4 P deal in public or on a social network app.

However, there again, an argument could be made that those are "public" events in that it is being done on the street and there are third parties aware of whatever is being discussed on most social network apps. Several such apps already ban people for that kind of conversation. Some even enforce restrictions for someone asking for money for any reason, not just in exchange for sex.

Still, has anyone ever seen, read or heard of a punter getting arrested for chatting up and negotiating a deal with anyone in front of the Nana Hotel sign on Soi 4 in Bangkok? Beach Road in Pattaya? Anywhere else in all of Thailand, ever? I haven't.

So what would be the fix for avoiding getting busted for anything listed in the Thai Penal Code AND that Act referenced by EverythingThai? I suppose if the only negotiations for P4 P are done face to face, not in public and without anyone associated with the establishment or hotel in which the deal is made and consummated raking off a percentage of the money action, everybody is all clear. That should definitely be a warning against a mamasan or bar management even hinting that the girl's fee should be handed to them upfront. They get to put their hands on the barfine. That is all. But that has been addressed in the Thai Penal Code all along as well.

I would still be very surprised if any arrest of punters or prostitutes occurred in accordance with what is suggested in that SUPPRESSION ACT regarding a negotiation for P4 P in a bar or on Line. But, hey, TIT. I suppose they can twist anything into that "creating a public nuisance" category if they really wanted to.

Been in Pattaya a few days now, some random observations:

-A lot of talk on this forum regarding lack of quality and ladies being on the older side. It's true from my estimation. Not a lot of lookers, but a lot of tattooed, out of shape ladies.

-After the weekend traffic subsided, one can see that there are not a lot of tourists, specifically monger tourists. The bars are dead. The ladies are desperate for business. Of course it's low season, but I was here at the same time last year and it appears much slower to me. Also noticed, less Indian tourists as well. Haven't seen any at the hotel I'm staying at.

-How desperate are the ladies, well my first session was with a lady I saw last year. I pinged her and she was on her way to my hotel in an instance. I like this chick, we have a goody, teasing vibe between one another. After chillin in bed and joking around for an hour, the deed starts, I can smell something, of course it was her vagina. I looked past the smell and smashed her. After the fact, blood on the sheets. She was so desperate for a customer she saw me on her period. She apologized profusely and I told her don't worry about it. Sent her on her way with 1,000 THB in hand.

-Massage shop on central Pattaya road. Lady summons me in for oil massage for 250 thb. Sure let's go. During the massage she starts discussing price and wants 1,000 thb for a hand job. LOL. Told her no. As the massage progresses and I don't allow my jonhson to get hard, even though she keeps swiping at it thinking I'll cave into her price, I say not a word. She brings up price again and I laugh and tell her I know the price for HJ and BJ. Finally she succumbs and says okay to 450 thb. I end up getting a BJ with her in her panties. Total damage for massage and play was 700 thb. Lesson is don't succumb to their dumb quotes, hold the line at the price you know to be fair.

-Checked out King Kong on Soi 6. Sub had a post on it a few months back that was positive. Rolled up. Three ladies seated on stools. Three ladies that have seen superior days. Three ladies that have seen many days (they're old). Three ladies that were unattractive. But guess what? I was horny and one of them had big knockers. I said F it and went it. I was placed behind a thin curtain. Johnson cleaned heavily with an alcohol laden wipe. The BJ was solid. The kicker was they played 2000's RnB which gave me vibes. Overall, okay experience, but a no repeat unless I see some decent looking ones next time I walk by.

-Overall, having a good time. But a more detailed verdict to come later on, deeper into my trip.

I did some research and was amazed to discover that prostitution is legal in India yet nationals from that country go in droves to monger in Thailand where prostitution is illegal.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2936832]True. But I suspect if you and I are standing in those same areas and for as long, the cops would probably not bat an eye or round us up and arrest us for loitering.[/QUOTE]Well in Pattaya, even if the girls are standing on the other side of Beach Road the cops will not bat an eye. Only when they are on the beach side is when a violation occurs. So it seems it is not the act, but the location.

I been to India, worst mongering destination on the planet.

Over priced, quality is bad and more pimps then girls.

No wonder you see Pattaya is filled with Indians.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2937009]I did some research and was amazed to discover that prostitution is legal in India yet nationals from that country go in droves to monger in Thailand where prostitution is illegal.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2937009]I did some research and was amazed to discover that prostitution is legal in India yet nationals from that country go in droves to monger in Thailand where prostitution is illegal.[/QUOTE]Please link and quote the portion in a title or section of the Thai Penal Code or any other enforceable edict that states prostitution between consenting adults is illegal in Thailand.

Bear in mind the ongoing discussion of this has been moved to the "Rants" thread, appropriate or not.

[QUOTE=BroComplex;2935784]You shouldn't be paying for sex at your age. ...[/QUOTE]Shouldn't he? So at his age you were pulling girls from the street just like that? Congratulations! As for wretched me, I could've done with a trip to some pussy haven like Thailand. Alas, I didn't have the money.

[QUOTE=Parasitius;2936275]Also in a sense Pattaya beauties are a needle in a haystack, you're not going to see beauty there at the level of 18-20 year olds you could catch sight of in a Bangkok mall (especially Central Embassy), not even close.[/QUOTE]The cute ones work in places where chinese and koreans go and pay 4000-5000 for ST. Before tha Koreans, japanese and chinese discovered Pattaya and Thailand alla thai women that wanted to make money in the tourist sector had to work in the bars etc. Not anymore. The beautiful ones are likely rented out by agencys to places where chinese and koreans go.

[QUOTE=Parasitius;2936275]Being from the US I honestly feel you're missing out if you are not hitting up Vienna venues like Relax Studio. The costs in Europe are unbelievably low, you can easily bang outside Frankfurt BBFS for 50 euros. The same service in the USA is 250-400 USD.[/QUOTE]Yes that's right, that why you inflate prices wherever you go. First accept 2000 for an average girl and then tip 500 baht. The american way! WE have to wait for the us dollar to start falling in value. This is just ridicoulous.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2936950]-Checked out King Kong on Soi 6. Sub had a post on it a few months back that was positive. Rolled up. Three ladies seated on stools. Three ladies that have seen superior days. Three ladies that have seen many days (they're old). Three ladies that were unattractive. But guess what? I was horny and one of them had big knockers. I said F it and went it. I was placed behind a thin curtain. Johnson cleaned heavily with an alcohol laden wipe. The BJ was solid. The kicker was they played 2000's RnB which gave me vibes. Overall, okay experience, but a no repeat unless I see some decent looking ones next time I walk by.[/QUOTE]Understood brother. Why do I like King Kong? No games. I walk up and the girls ask me what I want: [I]I want to get my dick sucked[/I]. Ok, they have asked me how I like it and directed me to try other girls. They ask if I want a drink. If I do not they don't care. They do not try to get a Lady Drink out of me. I pay my 800 THB. Go behind the curtain and the girl pulls her top down and goes to work. There have been 7 - 8 girls there (on average) when I visited. I go there for a dick sucked. I spend my time looking at the top of their head. There are other blow job bars on Soi 6, I just have not tried them.

My goto spot for getting my dick sucked is [B]Lips Lounge[/B]. Still need to write the report up on that place. Look for it in the basement. The only thing for me is they do not open until 7 PM where as you can get your picked sucked on Soi 6 14 hours a day. But the bottom line in [B]Lips Lounge[/B] is a Lady Drink gets you BBBJ (limited time). Lady Drink plus 500 THB gets you BBBJCIM. Even The Cmdr can afford that as it is 39 less than 40 Lady Drinks. Which seems to have become the new standard in Pattaya, or is that Bangkok?

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2937069]Yes that's right, that why you inflate prices wherever you go. First accept 2000 for an average girl and then tip 500 baht. The american way! WE have to wait for the us dollar to start falling in value. This is just ridicoulous.[/QUOTE]Short Time range is: 1000 - 2000 THB. Long Time is: 3000 - 5000; Last time I check I do not set the market. The market participants set the market. With all due respect anyone with basic understanding knows that one individual cannot inflate the market. Using your logic it is the post below that inflates the market.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2937069]The cute ones work in places where [b]chinese and koreans go and pay 4000-5000 for ST[/b]. Before tha Koreans, japanese and chinese discovered Pattaya and Thailand alla thai women that wanted to make money in the tourist sector had to work in the bars etc. Not anymore. The beautiful ones are likely rented out by agencys to places where chinese and koreans go.[/QUOTE]With less market participants competition is limits allowing the older girls to increase over all market prices. I pay on beauty and age scale. A older gal is not going to get more than 1500 out of me and that is if I think they very attractive.

One of the advantages of the girls in Thailand from my perspective is that there are some very well kept older girls where I do not feel I am losing out because she is not 18 - 20 years old. The youngest I have had since I've been in Thailand is 20. Getting the pussy out of her was difficult. I would much take an older more experienced girl who knows what a man wants and is actually happy to be getting some sex and companionship with as they are breaking up their routine.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2937019]Well in Pattaya, even if the girls are standing on the other side of Beach Road the cops will not bat an eye. Only when they are on the beach side is when a violation occurs. So it seems it is not the act, but the location.[/QUOTE]My first night ever in Pattaya I walked almost the entire length of Beach Road and there were only about 4 girls available on the water side. Perhaps there were 10 or 15 on the land side. Second night wasn't much better. I was aware that there was some sort of police action that kept the girls away, but I never learned exactly what it was. There have been various times where police close down groups of small bars for unknown reasons. When I asked girls why bars closed, they simply would say that the police closed the bars. The girls simply didn't question why. TIT.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2936950]Been in Pattaya a few days now, some random observations:

-A lot of talk on this forum regarding lack of quality and ladies being on the older side. It's true from my estimation. Not a lot of lookers, but a lot of tattooed, out of shape ladies.

-After the weekend traffic subsided, one can see that there are not a lot of tourists, specifically monger tourists. The bars are dead. The ladies are desperate for business. Of course it's low season, but I was here at the same time last year and it appears much slower to me. Also noticed, less Indian tourists as well. Haven't seen any at the hotel I'm staying at.

-How desperate are the ladies, well my first session was with a lady I saw last year. I pinged her and she was on her way to my hotel in an instance. I like this chick, we have a goody, teasing vibe between one another. After chillin in bed and joking around for an hour, the deed starts, I can smell something, of course it was her vagina. I looked past the smell and smashed her. After the fact, blood on the sheets. She was so desperate for a customer she saw me on her period. She apologized profusely and I told her don't worry about it. Sent her on her way with 1,000 THB in hand.

-Massage shop on central Pattaya road. Lady summons me in for oil massage for 250 thb. Sure let's go. During the massage she starts discussing price and wants 1,000 thb for a hand job. LOL. Told her no. As the massage progresses and I don't allow my jonhson to get hard, even though she keeps swiping at it thinking I'll cave into her price, I say not a word. She brings up price again and I laugh and tell her I know the price for HJ and BJ. Finally she succumbs and says okay to 450 thb. I end up getting a BJ with her in her panties. Total damage for massage and play was 700 thb. Lesson is don't succumb to their dumb quotes, hold the line at the price you know to be fair.

-Checked out King Kong on Soi 6. Sub had a post on it a few months back that was positive. Rolled up. Three ladies seated on stools. Three ladies that have seen superior days. Three ladies that have seen many days (they're old). Three ladies that were unattractive. But guess what? I was horny and one of them had big knockers. I said F it and went it. I was placed behind a thin curtain. Johnson cleaned heavily with an alcohol laden wipe. The BJ was solid. The kicker was they played 2000's RnB which gave me vibes. Overall, okay experience, but a no repeat unless I see some decent looking ones next time I walk by.

-Overall, having a good time. But a more detailed verdict to come later on, deeper into my trip.[/QUOTE]Pattaya is just like any other destination. You have to search for what you want. In Sosua, 2018 Sosua I mean, you could have a boots on the ground great time but you had to seriously search for it. 90% of the girls were hardcore but you could find the gems. Pattaya is no different, you can find some decent girls in their late 20's and early 30's in the beer bars but you really do have to search and you also have to get them before some other asshole scoops them up before you.

For the higher end girls, LK Metro and Walking street, but I honestly enjoy the hunt in the beer bars and Soi 6 more fun.

On a strange side note. It boggles my mind how back in the USA, so many old shore towns on the east coast are dying which used to be huge summer tourist destinations. They really should pick a few of those towns and open up a regulated red light district to revive those towns. Those towns would end up with the same vibe as Pattaya.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2937156]Pattaya is just like any other destination. You have to search for what you want. In Sosua, 2018 Sosua I mean, you could have a boots on the ground great time but you had to seriously search for it. 90% of the girls were hardcore but you could find the gems. Pattaya is no different, you can find some decent girls in their late 20's and early 30's in the beer bars but you really do have to search and you also have to get them before some other asshole scoops them up before you.[/QUOTE]Or you can do it the new fashioned way and get on Thai Friendly and you will have to beat them off with a stick.

Either I have fucked way too many chicks or I have one bad ass memory. Chick just started talking to me on there. I am thinking she is cute and kind of looks familiar. Turns out it was a chick in nursing school that came from another city to see me last year. She stayed with me for like 3 days and we did all kind of tourist stuff together. Hell I did not even remember her ass. If I can not remember the chicks that are not hookers imagine my memory for the chicks that are hookers.

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2937026]I been to India, worst mongering destination on the planet.

Over priced, quality is bad and more pimps then girls.

No wonder you see Pattaya is filled with Indians.[/QUOTE]I would not call it the worst. I mongered in Kolkata and sessioned with some very beautiful women. Nevertheless, there are two problems, one is hygiene and the other is too many girls providing substandard service.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2937243]Or you can do it the new fashioned way and get on Thai Friendly and you will have to beat them off with a stick.

Either I have fucked way too many chicks or I have one bad ass memory. Chick just started talking to me on there. I am thinking she is cute and kind of looks familiar. Turns out it was a chick in nursing school that came from another city to see me last year. She stayed with me for like 3 days and we did all kind of tourist stuff together. Hell I did not even remember her ass. If I can not remember the chicks that are not hookers imagine my memory for the chicks that are hookers.[/QUOTE]I know I am overly cautious but I don't like posting online profiles in mongering destinations for reasons of employment back in the states. Probably a. 1% it would ever cause me a problem, but why risk it if I don't have to. I love the beer bars, gogos, and gentlemen's clubs except sometimes the heat really starts to fucking drive me nuts LOL.

I have about 20 minutes before my next Thai Friendly girl arrives so I thought I would take the time to write an update. Perhaps I am still in the honeymoon phase, having been here only a week now, but let me tell you that Pattaya is like heaven on earth. It is even better than Medellin. Everyday I have had 3 different girls from Thai Friendly come straight to my airbnb. Most are BBFS but even the ones that make me use a condom for sex are still providing BBBJ without any up charge. I have paid as low as 1000 baht and as high as 2000 baht (only one time) for bbfscip with this super pretty one named Fai487 from Thai Friendly (see attached photo). But most are still accepting 1200 baht for ST and I'm averaging a 66% BBFS acceptance rate per day.

I wake up every morning and go through TF messaging prospects and setting up citas for the day. Most girls arrive on time in stark contrast to the Facebook girls of Medellin. All have been super friendly and provided excellent services. There is a language barrier with some but with Google translate it is fine. Most of my girls have told me they come from Isaan.

The food is incredible here too. I discovered an open air food court called runway street food that has an airplane parked there with food stalls underneath it. A short 5 minute walk from my airbnb, I have been going there to get my dinners. They have some excellent fried chicken and kebabs and more exotic things like grilled crocodile meat from an actual crocodile on a rotisserie, I cannot make this up LOL.

The vibe and the atmosphere are amazing as well and not a single person has asked me for money on the streets again in stark contrast to Medellin.

So far I have had nothing but great experiences here.

-Gabacho.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2937243]Or you can do it the new fashioned way and get on Thai Friendly and you will have to beat them off with a stick..[/QUOTE]I agree 100% with this statement by Mr E. I've already fucked about 20 different girls from Thai Friendly in just one week. I haven't even been to Soi 6 or beach road yet and it looks like I won't need to.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2937423]I have about 20 minutes before my next Thai Friendly girl arrives so I thought I would take the time to write an update. Perhaps I am still in the honeymoon phase, having been here only a week now, but let me tell you that Pattaya is like heaven on earth. It is even better than Medellin. Everyday I have had 3 different girls from Thai Friendly come straight to my airbnb. Most are BBFS but even the ones that make me use a condom for sex are still providing BBBJ without any up charge. I have paid as low as 1000 baht and as high as 2000 baht (only one time) for bbfscip with this super pretty one named Fai487 from Thai Friendly (see attached photo). But most are still accepting 1200 baht for ST and I'm averaging a 66% BBFS acceptance rate per day.

I wake up every morning and go through TF messaging prospects and setting up citas for the day. Most girls arrive on time in stark contrast to the Facebook girls of Medellin. All have been super friendly and provided excellent services. There is a language barrier with some but with Google translate it is fine. Most of my girls have told me they come from Isaan.

The food is incredible here too. I discovered an open air food court called runway street food that has an airplane parked there with food stalls underneath it. A short 5 minute walk from my airbnb, I have been going there to get my dinners. They have some excellent fried chicken and kebabs and more exotic things like grilled crocodile meat from an actual crocodile on a rotisserie, I cannot make this up LOL..[/QUOTE]The girl in those photos was the one I mentioned who seemed to hate being there and I had a terrible time with.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2937423]I have about 20 minutes before my next Thai Friendly girl arrives so I thought I would take the time to write an update. Perhaps I am still in the honeymoon phase, having been here only a week now, but let me tell you that Pattaya is like heaven on earth. It is even better than Medellin. Everyday I have had 3 different girls from Thai Friendly come straight to my airbnb. Most are BBFS but even the ones that make me use a condom for sex are still providing BBBJ without any up charge. I have paid as low as 1000 baht and as high as 2000 baht (only one time) for bbfscip with this super pretty one named Fai487 from Thai Friendly (see attached photo). But most are still accepting 1200 baht for ST and I'm averaging a 66% BBFS acceptance rate per day.

I wake up every morning and go through TF messaging prospects and setting up citas for the day. Most girls arrive on time in stark contrast to the Facebook girls of Medellin. All have been super friendly and provided excellent services. There is a language barrier with some but with Google translate it is fine. Most of my girls have told me they come from Isaan.

The food is incredible here too. I discovered an open air food court called runway street food that has an airplane parked there with food stalls underneath it. A short 5 minute walk from my airbnb, I have been going there to get my dinners. They have some excellent fried chicken and kebabs and more exotic things like grilled crocodile meat from an actual crocodile on a rotisserie, I cannot make this up LOL.

The vibe and the atmosphere are amazing as well and not a single person has asked me for money on the streets again in stark contrast to Medellin.

So far I have had nothing but great experiences here.

-Gabacho.[/QUOTE]Glad to hear you are having a BLAST! I was there back in April and stayed at a hotel near that mall where that airplane is. Pulled a few off ThaiFriendly as well as going out the old fashioned way and window shopping in the clubs! Also, if you haven't check out any drugstore and just ask for "Z-pack" of anti-biotics to clear the system before you leave as well as other drugs and enhancements! Pattaya is a great place, a real Adult Disney!

As Chinese lady joke on Tik tok, Do you know prostitution is illegal in USA? Because Govt is the only who like to fuck people. USA was a pussy prison and always will be.

Thats why I travel to over countries. Good thinking though.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2937156]Pattaya is just like any other destination. You have to search for what you want. In Sosua, 2018 Sosua I mean, you could have a boots on the ground great time but you had to seriously search for it. 90% of the girls were hardcore but you could find the gems. Pattaya is no different, you can find some decent girls in their late 20's and early 30's in the beer bars but you really do have to search and you also have to get them before some other asshole scoops them up before you.

For the higher end girls, LK Metro and Walking street, but I honestly enjoy the hunt in the beer bars and Soi 6 more fun.

On a strange side note. It boggles my mind how back in the USA, so many old shore towns on the east coast are dying which used to be huge summer tourist destinations. They really should pick a few of those towns and open up a regulated red light district to revive those towns. Those towns would end up with the same vibe as Pattaya.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2937441]The girl in those photos was the one I mentioned who seemed to hate being there and I had a terrible time with.[/QUOTE]She was good with me. Maybe a little more eye contact would have been better but she did everything I asked BBFS, all the positions I wanted, didn't rush me or anything, gave me back massage after the deed too.

Weird that we had different experiences with the same girl.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2937074]Short Time range is: 1000 - 2000 THB. Long Time is: 3000 - 5000;[/QUOTE]You can get long time for 2000 with the 30-40 year olds. Defintly with 40 year olds.

By the way, check out this pictures I have seen online. Seems a little lower than 2000 on soi 6..

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2934376]Recent experience in Pattaya.

Girl #1: Met on TF. Was chatting with before I got here. She was all friendly and smiles on TF. As soon as I told her I arrived, she came to meet me immediately. Apparently she was using a translator and didn't speak much English. She looked miserable the entire time. I considered stopping or asking if she wanted to stop, but then I realized she had no problem taking my money (2000). I didn't even like fucking her because of how much she was obviously not into it. So she just gave me head most of the time. When we were done, I asked her through translator why she agreed to come over if she obviously isn't enjoying it. She just gave a short smile and then got back to texting on her phone. This experience almost made me question why I'm coming here and made me feel like one of those guys that people talk so badly about when they talk about sex tourists. Like we just exist to make girls do things they don't want to do and exploit them. Luckily, I went down to Soi 6 later and found girls who seem to enjoy everything (the sex and getting paid). I guess TF has a lot of amateurs who aren't used to meeting strangers so much, but at the same time don't hesitate to take the money.

Question: Would the baht bus give me change if I had a 20? What about a 100? I've never taken it, but I know how it works? Can anyone post a link to a recent and accurate route map?[/QUOTE]If you're saying this is the same girl from the TF profile page I uploaded, with me she was different. She wasn't on her phone at all during the deed. There was somewhat of a language barrier as there is with alot of them but I have Google translate app with the Thai language downloaded so that it supports the conversational mode in audio and we were able to communicate just fine like that. I also gave her 2000 baht which I think is too much but atleast she provided bbfscip and I found her attractive.

As I mentioned she wasn't making much eye contact but she no problem doing all the positions I asked her to do and she atleast made it seem like she was enjoying it. I guess YMMV with these TF girls. Sorry to hear you had a bad experience with her but with me that wasn't the case.

Also I used a 50 baht to pay for the baht bus yesterday. When it stopped I hopped out and gave them the 50 thru the window and they gave me back two 20's. I wouldn't try it with anything larger than that tho as it would be more likely that they might not have change.

-Gabacho.

My friend tell me he is used to find Soi6 fresh 20 yo girls for 100 € for the night after bar and no fine nor extra. Usually 2 or 3 rounds until 10/11 am. Gogo are usually more expensive and more professionnal.

[U]Source[/U]

Thai Friendly.

[U]Cost[/U]

1000 - 2000 Short Time.

[U]Age Range[/U]

18 - 44.

I (and just because I can does not mean that you can [B]KrumelLurer[/B]) hire prostitutes on Thai Friendly for 1000 - 2000 that are 18 - 24 years old. 2000 is high actually. The average is 1500. But I make the effort to stay within 1000 - 1500 THB sweet spot.

Why are you posting pictures of girls you have not actually had sex with? I will not post a picture here of a girl ever. Period. [B]Full Stop![/B].

My actual friends whom I know that exist in real life and are not capable of the average fuckers I have seen engaged in over picture posting see pictures of the prostitutes I hire all the time.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2937423]I have paid as low as 1000 baht and as high as 2000 baht (only one time) for bbfscip with this super pretty one named Fai487 from Thai Friendly (see attached photo). But most are still accepting 1200 baht for ST and I'm averaging a 66% BBFS acceptance rate per day.

-Gabacho.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2936422]Sorry for the typo. I meant to say between 1200 and 1500 baht per session*.

Update: the numbers are now 6 total of which 5 were BBFS.

The most recent one (a 26 year who normally works in a bar on soi buakhao) told me she usually makes 50 baht per lady drink that guys buy her, she was very happy with the 1200 baht I gave her for the service and I was completely satisfied as well.
-Gabacho.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2936324]I also want to send a special thanks out to SubCmdr who helped me out with lots of valuable information that I used to plan my trip. His knowledge and expertise in Pattaya is unparalleled and thanks to his help everything from the airport bus to airbnb to using the ATMs and sourcing from TF has been a smooth process.

-Gabacho.[/QUOTE]You are welcome [B]Gabacho[/B]. Pleased to be of service and I am glad I could help. Remember if you are able to get your dick out of pussy for long enough. You have a standing invitation to join me at the Bus Bar.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2937557]You can get long time for 2000 with the 30-40 year olds. Defintly with 40 year olds.

By the way, check out this pictures I have seen online. Seems a little lower than 2000 on soi 6..[/QUOTE]I don't do long time so I my prices are based on quotes from the girls I have interacted with on Thai Friendly.

[B]Are you the age police?[/B]

You need the step your game up. [B]Gabacho[/B] is running through them with no problems nor complaints. If you are young and you want young pussy, tell me why you are paying for it? You should be able to get all the pussy you want if you are young. I know I did. I did not start hiring prostitutes on a regular basis until I was 50 years old my man. I had fucked 300+ girls in my county of origin without quid pro quo involving money in my country of origin before I left it nearly 12 years ago. A 40 year old is 20 years my junior. Have no problem with it. Because there are many well kept Thai girls, thin and sexy to choose from off of Thai Friendly an in the bars and gentleman clubs of Pattaya. If that is not your thing then fine. You do you. Fuck WHO you like!

I don't know what you are talking about or what your exact points are because your posts are all over the place. I suggest that you and your sub 100 post profile keep my handle out of your posts. You seem to have some kind of problem. Either you are extremely picky and cannot pay or the type of girl you would like. Or you have horrible negotiation skills and cannot close the deal with type of girls you like. Or you are simply not real and just a voyer online and not really serious about having sex with girls in Pattaya or sharing real information about them.

Check this out:

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2835058]I see more 600-800 baht ads on twitter from the same type of girls that normally ask 1500-2000 from tourists. This is the prices directed at the local market. Not these rip-off tourist prices of 2000-3000 baht etc.

The increase of this ads can be a sign that there a few customers and prices are heading down. I also want to inform readers about the prices local thaimen pay when it comes to the price you should pay. Should a tourist really pay 1500-2000 if a Thai pays 600-700?[/QUOTE]If you are paying the prices you see online, good for you. But I have not seen any of your trip reports about it. If I missed them please point them out. Pictures of girls you have seen online and have not fucked do not count up in here with me my man.

20 year old 7-11 worker; fine as fuck! 2000 THB; Thai Friendly; Short Time; [B]BBFS[/B]. Don't hate!

Can I prove it? No! But those who know me know: [B]I don't be lying on my dick.[/B].

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2937557]You can get long time for 2000 with the 30-40 year olds. Defintly with 40 year olds.[/QUOTE]You can also get long time for 1200 with the 24 year olds.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2937557]You can get long time for 2000 with the 30-40 year olds. Defintly with 40 year olds.

By the way, check out this pictures I have seen online. Seems a little lower than 2000 on soi 6..[/QUOTE]Yea but if those girls are from bars on soi 6 you would have to also pay a barfine which would be in addition to the prices shown here correct?

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2937557]You can get long time for 2000 with the 30-40 year olds. Defintly with 40 year olds.

By the way, check out this pictures I have seen online. Seems a little lower than 2000 on soi 6..[/QUOTE]Rates for Thai men, not the same for Farangs who don't speak Thai.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2937557]You can get long time for 2000 with the 30-40 year olds. Defintly with 40 year olds.

By the way, check out this pictures I have seen online. Seems a little lower than 2000 on soi 6..[/QUOTE]Soi 6 and beer bars are 1500ST. 2000 LT. If they ask for more you should walk away, that means they just want the money and to give you a mechanical session. I had to let a girl go the other night because she wanted 2000 for ST and would not go 1500. I kindly told her I was tired and wanted to sleep alone and then walked.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2937441]The girl in those photos was the one I mentioned who seemed to hate being there and I had a terrible time with.[/QUOTE]She must not of liked you. She is sweet heart and never disappointed me in any way. What was the problem? She can seem shy at first, but in a cute kind of way. You just need to giver her a chance to open up to you. Our 2nd session was a killer. I think I made her cum 3 times in just under 40 minutes.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2937423] I have paid as low as 1000 baht and as high as 2000 baht (only one time) for bbfscip with this super pretty one named Fai487 from Thai Friendly (see attached photo). But most are still accepting 1200 baht for ST and I'm averaging a 66% BBFS acceptance rate per day. [/QUOTE]My experience with Fai is the exact same as this poster's. She pretty much does everything you want and her rate is so cheap. Me being a nice guy, I would always tip her every time, but for 1200-1500 Baht she wil fuck you silly BB and let you cum inside her. She is so sweet and so quiet in a cute and sexy way. Have not seen her in 6 months, but she was awesome.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2937649]She must not of liked you. She is sweet heart and never disappointed me in any way. What was the problem?
[/QUOTE]No clue. I didn't have any problems with anyone else, and that includes TF, Soi 6, and massage parlors.

It was awkward from the first moment struggling to make small talk through translator while we walked in, and didn't get any better throughout. I talked with translator with the other girls and had no issues having a good time and getting contact info for repeat.

I'm a foot massage aficianado and get multiple a day whilst in Pattaya. Every lady I get a foot massage from repeatedly asks me to let them "go back room with me. " LOL. They are desperate these days for money.

Took another stroll down Soi 6 and probably my last. Walked by King Kong bar and didn't see any new or good options. I went to one of the bars on the 6 and had an atrocious experience. Was actually trying to link up with a chick from last year and was texting with her but we didn't see each other, aka she was running late and lying to me that she was at the bar. Anyways, took another girl at 1,000 thb plus room fine. Apparently, the mamasaan and a few other girls found out that this girl was seeing me for 1 k instead of 1,500 and the stank faces came my way and the girl's. It seems like there is a concerted effort by these bars to push ST to 1,500-2,000, meaning the girls are instructed to do this it seems. On top of that, I was constantly harassed to buy drinks, even when in the room with girl and even as I was leaving LOL. Suffice to say, I'm done with the 6. There is a clear mafioso vibe there which explains the beef and brawls that have occurred recently. The session in the room was not terrible but the girl just kept asking for drinks and tips. Then she wanted me to go to KFC and buy and bring back egg tarts for her LOL.

From the 6 I went straight to Buakho in search for redemption, up Soi Pothole I went and was summoned by one of the massage ladies and she said 1,000 includes everything. I replied, "Everything? She says yes and points to a young, petite fresh looking thang. Suffice to say I obtained redemption for the 6 blunder and had a fantastic session for 1 k thb. Got her Line and had her over the next day for 1 k thb. Moral of the story, forget Soi 6 and utilize the many other options available in Pattaya.

I walk around a ton and it's wild how dead Treetown bars are, don't know how they're open, same goes for most of the bars. The massage ladies are all complaining that this low season is much worse than last, and I concur. But it's good for punters that are here. Furthermore, if we get a global recession within thr next few years, the desperation will go up more and punters will have a crap top of leverage whatever country they hit up.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2937634]Soi 6 and beer bars are 1500ST. 2000 LT. If they ask for more you should walk away, that means they just want the money and to give you a mechanical session. I had to let a girl go the other night because she wanted 2000 for ST and would not go 1500. I kindly told her I was tired and wanted to sleep alone and then walked.[/QUOTE]2000 LT is not a realistic number for LT on soi 6 with a young 20-25 year old girl. Maybe late 30's to early 40's Soi 6 girls will accept that. You are also forgetting the LT bar fine on Soi 6 that's starts at 2500 and drops as the night progresses until closing time. Beer bars maybe you can get 2000 LT depending on the location and the girl. Even on TF 2000 LT is difficult.

I don't want the guys to get false price expectations from Soi 6 because it's just not true about Soi 6.

, 2000 LT for a nice young girl. If it is, maybe you are more handsome than me LOL.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2937654]No clue. I didn't have any problems with anyone else, and that includes TF, Soi 6, and massage parlors.

It was awkward from the first moment struggling to make small talk through translator while we walked in, and didn't get any better throughout. I talked with translator with the other girls and had no issues having a good time and getting contact info for repeat.[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear that bro. I can see how some might be put off by her, but now you know. It's just her nature. Give her some time to warm up to you. Your next session might be like mine are.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2937577]You can also get long time for 1200 with the 24 year olds.[/QUOTE]She just said she will think about it LOL. But hey, I hope you convinced her.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2937730]Sorry to hear that bro. I can see how some might be put off by her, but now you know. It's just her nature. Give her some time to warm up to you. Your next session might be like mine are.[/QUOTE]There's too many fish in the sea for me to care LOL.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2937729]2000 LT is not a realistic number for LT on soi 6 with a young 20-25 year old girl. Maybe late 30's to early 40's Soi 6 girls will accept that. You are also forgetting the LT bar fine on Soi 6 that's starts at 2500 and drops as the night progresses until closing time. Beer bars maybe you can get 2000 LT depending on the location and the girl. Even on TF 2000 LT is difficult.

I don't want the guys to get false price expectations from Soi 6 because it's just not true about Soi 6.

, 2000 LT for a nice young girl. If it is, maybe you are more handsome than me LOL.[/QUOTE]Brother, you are 100% wrong. It is 1500ST and a 500 bar fine or you pay 500 for the room upstairs. I am nothing special, early 40's decent shape but nothing these girls don't see everyday. I have had multiple girls ask me to take them long time for the night to walking street and they quickly agree to 1500ST when they see your going to walk. I only ST with the more attractive girls as well. I also do buy them a few drinks before I ST. I have had girls turn me down or even don't want to ST with me at the moment, but that is rare and most are quick to want to make the money. Most of those girls don't even get a single client some nights. The more attractive ones, I am sure they do.

These are the prices. I have found if they don't agree to my terms, its not worth my time anyway as I get a mechanical session that is all business and no pleasure.

Be warned, these are not real barbers, they are dudes off the street who have no clue what they are doing. Nothing like Latino barbers.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2937732]She just said she will think about it LOL. But hey, I hope you convinced her..[/QUOTE]She did not need any convincing. These chicks know how much 1200 baht is. Only when they are around foreigners and see them throwing money around like there is no tomorrow is when they get the baht signs in their eyes.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2937753]Brother, you are 100% wrong. It is 1500ST and a 500 bar fine or you pay 500 for the room upstairs.[/QUOTE]Price of the barfine or price for 1 hour in the room upstairs depends on the bar you're in.

This is not the same price in the whole soi.

Mr Everything is right, most of the bars are applying a multiple tier price for the barfine (if you take the girl out of the bar). That price is heavy during the day (2. 5 K in any Nightwish bars or 1. 5 K in Love Missile for example), and becomes less expensive later in the night. But I think it never gets as low as 500 baht in a Nightwish bar, so you're probably having fun in the bars that are not part of the Nightwish business.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2937719]Anyways, took another girl at 1,000 thb plus room fine. Apparently, the mamasaan and a few other girls found out that this girl was seeing me for 1 k instead of 1,500 and the stank faces came my way and the girl's. It seems like there is a concerted effort by these bars to push ST to 1,500-2,000, meaning the girls are instructed to do this it seems.[/QUOTE]Yes that's how it works, though I'm not sure mamasan has anything to do with it.

That's a system built for the prettiest ones and the ones who know how to catch a customer. Every other girls who are too naive (or too stupid) to follow that rule will have a hard time competing with these too categories of girls. They will either try their luck in one of the other bars or be ejected by the management to be replaced by newcomers (or decide by themselves that this job is not for them).

Not sure how all the girls learned about your deal with that girl though, unless you offered that 1 K to many girls from the same bar and only this one went upstairs with you.

That's also one of the reasons negotiation should be done directly with the girl, with no other people being around or involved.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2937719]On top of that, I was constantly harassed to buy drinks, even when in the room with girl and even as I was leaving LOL. Suffice to say, I'm done with the 6. There is a clear mafioso vibe there which explains the beef and brawls that have occurred recently. The session in the room was not terrible but the girl just kept asking for drinks and tips. Then she wanted me to go to KFC and buy and bring back egg tarts for her LOL.[/QUOTE]I guess that's what you get when you're obsessed by getting a girl for a price from the past. She thought she was losing bucks with you, so she was scheming to find other ways to get these bucks back.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2937753]Brother, you are 100% wrong. It is 1500ST and a 500 bar fine or you pay 500 for the room upstairs. I am nothing special, early 40's decent shape but nothing these girls don't see everyday. I have had multiple girls ask me to take them long time for the night to walking street and they quickly agree to 1500ST when they see your going to walk. I only ST with the more attractive girls as well. I also do buy them a few drinks before I ST. I have had girls turn me down or even don't want to ST with me at the moment, but that is rare and most are quick to want to make the money. Most of those girls don't even get a single client some nights. The more attractive ones, I am sure they do.

These are the prices. I have found if they don't agree to my terms, its not worth my time anyway as I get a mechanical session that is all business and no pleasure.[/QUOTE]Sorry I don’t know what you are talking about. Why are you throwing all these ST rates at me in your message. I was commenting on your opinion of LT rates. Are you okay?

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2937634]Soi 6 and beer bars are 1500ST. 2000 LT. If they ask for more you should walk away.[/QUOTE]See. You wrote 2000 LT. That is not a realistic price for Soi 6 girls 20-25 year old for example. Then there is the bar fine to take them out of the bar. The ST rates and room prices you quote are accurate, but not relevant to this conversation.

Now on a slow night you might get them for 2000 LT after their shift if you are lucky and when they are needing cash. But just going into a Soi 6 bar and bar fining a girl LT wont be 2000 Baht that's for sure.3000 Baht LT is more realistic plus the bar fine, which starts at 2500 baht and goes down to 500-1000 baht after midnight depending on the bar you are in.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2937802]Sorry I dont know what you are talking about. Why are you throwing all these ST rates at me in your message. I was commenting on your opinion of LT rates. Are you okay?



See. You wrote 2000 LT. That is not a realistic price for Soi 6 girls 20-25 year old for example. Then there is the bar fine to take them out of the bar. The ST rates and room prices you quote are accurate, but not relevant to this conversation.

Now on a slow night you might get them for 2000 LT after their shift if you are lucky and when they are needing cash. But just going into a Soi 6 bar and bar fining a girl LT wont be 2000 Baht thats for sure.3000 Baht LT is more realistic plus the bar fine, which starts at 2500 baht and goes down to 500-1000 baht after midnight depending on the bar you are in.[/QUOTE]Ok I see, you are clearly a bar owner and your trying to jack up the prices.

I would rather slit my wrists than pay over a 500 bar fine for a soi 6 girl. Its 500 bar fine or 500 for room upstairs. I have had MULTIPLE girls offer 1500 for LT! Not short time!

Most girls don't even get a client!

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2937557]

By the way, check out this pictures I have seen online. Seems a little lower than 2000 on soi 6..[/QUOTE]Doesn't look like ThaiFriendly. What site is this? One of the girl seems like one I know. Used to worked in Soi 6, then in Malaysia for the Chinese, and now seems to be back in Soi 6.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2937832]Ok I see, you are clearly a bar owner and your trying to jack up the prices.

I would rather slit my wrists than pay over a 500 bar fine for a soi 6 girl. Its 500 bar fine or 500 for room upstairs. I have had MULTIPLE girls offer 1500 for LT! Not short time!

Most girls don't even get a client![/QUOTE]Twisting the plot now aren't ya. Simple comment about your perception of LT rates and you go on about ST then accuse me of being a bar owner LOL. I will say this, you have never gone into a bar on soi 6 and bar fined a girl and got 1500 LT and a 500 Baht bar fine.Next time you are on Soi 6, you try to get a girl LT for 1500 and pay a bar fine of 500 Baht before midnight. See what happens. Like I said, maybe you waited until the bar claimed and met her outside. Now that is a different story. So, I still don't know what you are going on about, but crack on and happy mongering. I am not going to debate with you about this as it’s silly.

Calling all cars guys. Pattaya is done and dusted. Girls dont have clients, bars shouldnt be allowed to sell drinks and inflation is going down.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2937757]Be warned, these are not real barbers, they are dudes off the street who have no clue what they are doing. Nothing like Latino barbers.[/QUOTE]I use the female barbers on Buakho, specifically the ones by the Buakho Bend, and they are decent. For the price I can't complain (150 thb).

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2937793]Yes that's how it works, though I'm not sure mamasan has anything to do with it.

That's a system built for the prettiest ones and the ones who know how to catch a customer. Every other girls who are too naive (or too stupid) to follow that rule will have a hard time competing with these too categories of girls. They will either try their luck in one of the other bars or be ejected by the management to be replaced by newcomers (or decide by themselves that this job is not for them).

Not sure how all the girls learned about your deal with that girl though, unless you offered that 1 K to many girls from the same bar and only this one went upstairs with you.

That's also one of the reasons negotiation should be done directly with the girl, with no other people being around or involved.

I guess that's what you get when you're obsessed by getting a girl for a price from the past. She thought she was losing bucks with you, so she was scheming to find other ways to get these bucks back.[/QUOTE]The girl I took was not the one that I had seen last year. I think she was just desperate for a customer and agreed to $1 k.

On top of it all, the girl smelled weird, her skin smelled like onions even though she showered before the deed.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2937881]Twisting the plot now aren't ya. Simple comment about your perception of LT rates and you go on about ST then accuse me of being a bar owner LOL. I will say this, you have never gone into a bar on soi 6 and bar fined a girl and got 1500 LT and a 500 Baht bar fine.Next time you are on Soi 6, you try to get a girl LT for 1500 and pay a bar fine of 500 Baht before midnight. See what happens. Like I said, maybe you waited until the bar claimed and met her outside. Now that is a different story. So, I still don't know what you are going on about, but crack on and happy mongering. I am not going to debate with you about this as its silly.

Calling all cars guys. Pattaya is done and dusted. Girls dont have clients, bars shouldnt be allowed to sell drinks and inflation is going down.[/QUOTE]Actually I am with Ram, judging by your comments you appear to have some affiliation with bars. Otherwise, your comments make no sense and are not objective. Anytime a commenter defends bad customer service from a bar or lady, it's obvious there is an ulterior motive.

Hi guys,

I will be in Pattaya for one week soon.

Is it worth a visit one day to Ban Chang? Are the bars there gogo style or normal bars with pool etc. ? Quality of girls?

Thanks a lot!

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2937881]Twisting the plot now aren't ya. Simple comment about your perception of LT rates and you go on about ST then accuse me of being a bar owner LOL. I will say this, you have never gone into a bar on soi 6 and bar fined a girl and got 1500 LT and a 500 Baht bar fine.Next time you are on Soi 6, you try to get a girl LT for 1500 and pay a bar fine of 500 Baht before midnight. See what happens. Like I said, maybe you waited until the bar claimed and met her outside. Now that is a different story. So, I still don't know what you are going on about, but crack on and happy mongering. I am not going to debate with you about this as its silly.

Calling all cars guys. Pattaya is done and dusted. Girls dont have clients, bars shouldnt be allowed to sell drinks and inflation is going down.[/QUOTE]2500 BAHT BAR FINE on Soi 6! LOLOLOLOL.

Hmmmmm suspect?

These debates on prices are recurrent and also very enlightening. For my part, I thought I noticed that prices were more and more expensive the further you went into soi 6. Is this the result of my imagination or that of multiple coincidences?

I am quite fascinated and I also remain perplexed because I remain convinced that it is difficult to draw generalizations and that prices are the result of an equation with multiple unknowns of the type a2 + 2 ab + b2 and even more complicated. Where the variables are: age of the client, her appearance, time of day (or night), time of year (whether touristy or not), whether the police are around, the hotel where you are staying (in case of barfine), whether the girl has been fucked before or not (by a client or her boyfriend), how many times, whether you have already practiced it, whether she has to travel or not, far or not, tired or not, financial emergencies in her family, her age, whether she has a lot of clients or not, whether she is attractive or not (I am not even talking about beauty, it is too subjective), the average prices practiced in the sector and the type of establishment, her mood at the time, whether she is bored, whether she has just argued with a friend or with the mamasan, whether she is hungry and prefers to eat, whether it is raining or sunny, etc. We can of course add many other factors, there is no limit.

You put all these elements in a shaker, shake it hard and you get a price. I would be interested if at least a few of these elements were mentioned each time a price is given.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2937881] I will say this, you have never gone into a bar on soi 6 and bar fined a girl and got 1500 LT and a 500 Baht bar fine.[/QUOTE]I'm no expert at Soi 6 LT but I don't even think you could have had 1500 LT with a young pretty girl in 2017. Before that was the "up to you" era so I guess some guys took advantage and paid 1500 or less.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2937789]Price of the barfine or price for 1 hour in the room upstairs depends on the bar you're in.

This is not the same price in the whole soi.

Mr Everything is right, most of the bars are applying a multiple tier price for the barfine (if you take the girl out of the bar). That price is heavy during the day (2. 5 K in any Nightwish bars or 1. 5 K in Love Missile for example), and becomes less expensive later in the night. But I think it never gets as low as 500 baht in a Nightwish bar, so you're probably having fun in the bars that are not part of the Nightwish business.[/QUOTE]Yes to be clear, I bar fine at night as I don't think I have ever even arrived to Soi 6 before 9 pm And the bar fine varies slightly but it is usually around 500-600 at night. I could be wrong as I have been banged up many times on Soi 6, but I am almost positive at night I have never been quoted above 600 bar fine and over 80% of girls agree to 1500ST.

Last night in LK Metro, a gogo girl quoted me 1800ST bar fine and 3000 for her. I did not negotiate as I didn't want to bar fine her at the moment. She was probably late 20's to early 30's as well but very attractive still.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2937972]I'm no expert at Soi 6 LT but I don't even think you could have had 1500 LT with a young pretty girl in 2017. Before that was the "up to you" era so I guess some guys took advantage and paid 1500 or less.[/QUOTE]The OP had twisted things. He is claiming that what he is willing to pay is the norm, when in fact it's not. Therefore, giving false price expectations to others. Everyone is free to pay what they want, but to insist that he walks into a Soi 6 bar and pays a 500 Baht bar fine and 1500-2000 LT is not realistic. Can he get this LT rate? Yes, if he makes a deal to meet the girl after her work or finds a freelancer. But to claim the prices for LT on Soi 6 are 1500-2000 Baht with a 500 Baht bar fine is just not accurate and its misleading. The Night wish group that owns 80 % of the bars there does not have a 500 baht bar fine for LT and the girls will never agree to 1500 LT while they are working there under normal circumstances. Fact!

For the OPs ST rates, he is spot on.

There are exceptions to this for someone like Explorer who is a local expat and knows a lot of girls. But we are talking about the norm here.

Now for me, I will just get this out of the way now so we never need to think about it again. I am an over-payer. Yes, thats right. When I see a girl I like, I make an offer she cant refuse for the services I want, end of story. Other girls know this about me and often will even go with me without even discussing price or services. Why ? Because they know I will take care of them, but only if they give me what I want with no drama. It has worked for me for the last 25 years in Asia. This ensures me of a great night. This no nonsense style of mongering in Pattaya and Bangkok has served me well.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2937987]The OP had twisted things. He is claiming that what he is willing to pay is the norm, when in fact it's not. Therefore, giving false price expectations to others. Everyone is free to pay what they want, but to insist that he walks into a Soi 6 bar and pays a 500 Baht bar fine and 1500-2000 LT is not realistic. Can he get this LT rate? Yes, if he makes a deal to meet the girl after her work or finds a freelancer. But to claim the prices for LT on Soi 6 are 1500-2000 Baht with a 500 Baht bar fine is just not accurate and its misleading. The Night wish group that owns 80 % of the bars there does not have a 500 baht bar fine for LT and the girls will never agree to 1500 LT while they are working there under normal circumstances. Fact!

For the OPs ST rates, he is spot on.

There are exceptions to this for someone like Explorer who is a local expat and knows a lot of girls. But we are talking about the norm here.

Now for me, I will just get this out of the way now so we never need to think about it again. I am an over-payer. Yes, thats right. When I see a girl I like, I make an offer she cant refuse for the services I want, end of story. Other girls know this about me and often will even go with me without even discussing price or services. Why ? Because they know I will take care of them, but only if they give me what I want with no drama. It has worked for me for the last 25 years in Asia.[/QUOTE]So, what is the average price / rate for both LT and ST on Soi 6 now??

Night Wish Bars doubt any girl will go LT for under 4000 baht LT before 12 am with BF being 1000 baht.

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002;2937989]So, what is the average price / rate for both LT and ST on Soi 6 now??

Night Wish Bars doubt any girl will go LT for under 4000 baht LT before 12 am with BF being 1000 baht.[/QUOTE]I think the rates you just quoted are maybe what the girls ask for LT, but may not end up getting. The bar fine varies between each bar before midnight so if we keep that out of equation, 3000 LT is about the average. Can you get it lower? 2500 would be a good deal and 2000 would be almost unheard of and 1500 well I think almost never.

My opinion of Soi 6 and Pattaya in general is that the girls working in the bars and also many TF FLs don't like to go LT anymore. They often ask 4-6000 LT not because they think they can get it, but to discourage people from going LT. They prefer ST for obvious reasons.

Now from a FL prices are as low or as high as you can negotiate, but in Soi 6 and go go bars, there is a general norm for everything unless it's a special circumstance. Don't get so hung up on price is my suggestion. If you like the girl, pay what you want. Sometimes you might pay lower than the norm and other times maybe higher. It will all even out in the end. Have fun. You can't take it with you mate.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2937990]I think the rates you just quoted are maybe what the girls ask for LT, but may not end up getting. The bar fine varies between each bar before midnight so if we keep that out of equation, 3000 LT is about the average. Can you get it lower? 2500 would be a good deal and 2000 would be almost unheard of and 1500 well I think almost never.

My opinion of Soi 6 and Pattaya in general is that the girls working in the bars and also many TF FLs don't like to go LT anymore. They often ask 4-6000 LT not because they think they can get it, but to discourage people from going LT. They prefer ST for obvious reasons.

Now from a FL prices are as low or as high as you can negotiate, but in Soi 6 and go go bars, there is a general norm for everything unless it's a special circumstance. Don't get so hung up on price is my suggestion. If you like the girl, pay what you want. Sometimes you might pay lower than the norm and other times maybe higher. It will all even out in the end. Have fun. You can't take it with you mate.[/QUOTE]Amen!!

Amen and Thanks.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2937990]My opinion of Soi 6 and Pattaya in general is that the girls working in the bars and also many TF FLs don't like to go LT anymore. They often ask 4-6000 LT not because they think they can get it, but to discourage people from going LT. They prefer ST for obvious reasons.[/QUOTE]I do not think it is obvious reasons. I think the punters have painted the hobby into this corner themselves by only asking for short time. You see it on this board. Most guys only want to bust and for the girl to leave. Most of the places around the world where you used to be able to grab a holiday girlfriend and were known for long time, you now have chicks quoting prices by the hour or for short time. It used to be you would have to put chicks out when you got tired of them, sometimes after days. There are still plenty of chicks to be had LT in some places, but it is a stark difference from the days of old.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2937967]These debates on prices are recurrent and also very enlightening. For my part, I thought I noticed that prices were more and more expensive the further you went into soi 6. Is this the result of my imagination or that of multiple coincidences?

I am quite fascinated and I also remain perplexed because I remain convinced that it is difficult to draw generalizations and that prices are the result of an equation with multiple unknowns of the type a2 + 2 ab + b2 and even more complicated. Where the variables are: age of the client, her appearance, time of day (or night), time of year (whether touristy or not), whether the police are around, the hotel where you are staying (in case of barfine), whether the girl has been fucked before or not (by a client or her boyfriend), how many times, whether you have already practiced it, whether she has to travel or not, far or not, tired or not, financial emergencies in her family, her age, whether she has a lot of clients or not, whether she is attractive or not (I am not even talking about beauty, it is too subjective), the average prices practiced in the sector and the type of establishment, her mood at the time, whether she is bored, whether she has just argued with a friend or with the mamasan, whether she is hungry and prefers to eat, whether it is raining or sunny, etc. We can of course add many other factors, there is no limit.

You put all these elements in a shaker, shake it hard and you get a price. I would be interested if at least a few of these elements were mentioned each time a price is given.[/QUOTE]Pricing not Complicated Bro.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2937999]I do not think it is obvious reasons. I think the punters have painted the hobby into this corner themselves by only asking for short time. You see it on this board. Most guys only want to bust and for the girl to leave. Most of the places around the world where you used to be able to grab a holiday girlfriend and were known for long time, you now have chicks quoting prices by the hour or for short time. It used to be you would have to put chicks out when you got tired of them, sometimes after days. There are still plenty of chicks to be had LT in some places, but it is a stark difference from the days of old.[/QUOTE]LT with many ladies is no fun. After the first cum dump, they are anxious to go home and be with their Thai boyfriend, or to hit a karaoke bar and hand a young Thai man their earnings.

I once had a bar girl claim, after dinner and a fuck, that she accidentally ingested some beef during dinner and had an allergic reaction. So she had to go to a clinic.

Unfortunately for her, after that, she traveled with me a lot, and couldn't eat beef. For years. And then we went to Argentina where her allergy disappeared and she could eat steak.

The reality is that the first night, she was addicted to a young Thai man who started working bar at 1 am, and so had to invent a story to get out of a LT.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2937999]I do not think it is obvious reasons. [b]I think the punters have painted the hobby into this corner themselves by only asking for short time[/b]. You see it on this board. Most guys only want to bust and for the girl to leave.[/QUOTE][B]I prefer Short Time[/B]

[U]Reasons why I prefer short time[/U]

I pay a prostitute to leave. My time is WAY to valuable to spend it with someone pretending. I do not need to pay a girl to be my companion. Which the only reason to have a girl Long Time. I am not fucking her 5 - 8 hours that she is with me. Why am I paying a employee to sleep?

If I want to do long time with a girl I get an real girlfriend / ATF. You know one of those girls that PROFESSIONAL TRICKS have forgotten exists. A [I]good time[/I] that will spend time with you because you are paying for the good times. Not for her time or pussy. I have one of those everywhere I spend extensive time. To include Pattaya Thailand. That means I have to like her personality. She needs to bring more to the table than just her pussy. She has to have personality. She has to be someone who looks out for me.

I do not like to travel with random girls. If I am going to spend that much time with a girl then I need to share insane chemistry with her outside of sexual interaction. Girl has to be the #2 category to ride in a plane, train, boat or automobile trip of extensive length of time.

Demands of the market dictate. In no way and never has it been that market participants on the demand side are the sole individuals that dictate the market. The girls selling the pussy play a role in it also. But most wage slaves they do not under market dynamics. These girls selling pussy for a living or pastime understand the dynamics of a market way better than mere salary earners. The know that three short time customers pays 3000 THB in three hours than one LT customer that pays 3000 for 5 - 8 hours of her time. Even a wage slave can do the math on that.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2937999]Most of the places around the world where you used to be able to grab a holiday girlfriend and were known for long time, you now have chicks quoting prices by the hour or for short time. It used to be you would have to put chicks out when you got tired of them, sometimes after days. There are still plenty of chicks to be had LT in some places, but it is a stark difference from the days of old.[/QUOTE]Never thought I would see Mr. E talking about glory days. But here we are. Time catches up with everyone. But wishful thinking does not control the market. Supply and demand does. If you want Long Time pay up and make it worth the while of the prostitute you are hiring.

You can find inflation in all markets around the world. Package sizes getting smaller while the price staying the same. The problem is the fiat money system that is build with inflation imbedded into the system that drains the value of your money out slowly. Market participants know this. That is why they raise prices. Because the inputs they need to pay for their life are increasing.

Individuals on the demand side also factor in. They feel richer because of asset inflation so they think they can spend more on the things that they like. The solution:

[B]get rich or die trying[/B]

So that you can participate in the game at the level you choose too without complaining about money on a obscure website focused on sharing information on having sex with girls. Or you can change the marketplace where you participate in activities.

[B]I can goto 808[/B] Get a table right next to the DJ booth order a bottle and set ups and that is going to be 2000 THB minimum. Or I can goto a [B]Thai Oriented club[/B] and party with multiple girls. I can buy multiple bottles and set ups. We drink all night, eat food, listen to good music. Girls be dancing on the tables at some point in the night. People are there celebrating their birthdays. Wide variety of music is played for the same exact 2000 THB minimum. The Thai Club is a WAY better value. You do not see me up in here complaining about the price of a bottle in 808.

[I]I am at peace with myself and all others[/I]

Murda irl Pattaya Streamer.

Showed us his Freebie. God she Ugly. Hahaha. Hahaha. Hahaha.

I will not disclose info. So please don't ASK.

I doubt she gets Barfined at all.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2938127]LT with many ladies is no fun. After the first cum dump, they are anxious to go home and be with their Thai boyfriend, or to hit a karaoke bar and hand a young Thai man their earnings.[/QUOTE]I guess my experience is pretty different from yours. I must have a knack for choosing chicks that I actually enjoy being around and that it seems enjoy being around me. Nobody is usually breaking their neck to run out of the door and give the money to any mystery boyfriend or husband. They must be hiding them pretty good since I go to most chick's rooms and sometimes even stay the night there.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2937912]2500 BAHT BAR FINE on Soi 6! LOLOLOLOL.

Hmmmmm suspect?[/QUOTE]Go into a Nightwish Group bar on Soi 6 at 3 Pm. Drink until 6 and then ask to bar fine the girl LT from 6 Pm till the next day. See what they quote you as the bar fine. Not the girls fee, but just the bar fine. Then you will understand.

I am no bar owner. I just believe in being realistic. The price quoted for LT by the original OP is not a realistic rate most can get on Soi 6 for Long Time. Then I practice the following in my mongering:

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2937987]Now for me, I will just get this out of the way now so we never need to think about it again. I am an over-payer. Yes, thats right. When I see a girl I like, I make an offer she cant refuse for the services I want, end of story. Other girls know this about me and often will even go with me without even discussing price or services. Why ? Because they know I will take care of them, but only if they give me what I want with no drama. It has worked for me for the last 25 years in Asia. This ensures me of a great night. This no nonsense style of mongering in Pattaya and Bangkok has served me well.[/QUOTE]So happy now?

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2937757]Be warned, these are not real barbers, they are dudes off the street who have no clue what they are doing. Nothing like Latino barbers.[/QUOTE]Really? Have you tried them all? I have been to several barbers in Pattaya over the years, and have no complaints at all.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2937987] Now for me, I will just get this out of the way now so we never need to think about it again. I am an over-payer. Yes, thats right. When I see a girl I like, I make an offer she cant refuse for the services I want, end of story.[/QUOTE]I do this sometimes and I don't feel bad. Most of the time, I'll just pay the normal price and try not to get ripped off. But if a girl is super hot. And let's say she would agree to a "ridiculous high" price of 4000st.

Then I think that's only $115 and if I was back in the USA, I would gladly pay her double that every time I'm in the mood LOL.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2937972]I'm no expert at Soi 6 LT but I don't even think you could have had 1500 LT with a young pretty girl in 2017. Before that was the "up to you" era so I guess some guys took advantage and paid 1500 or less.[/QUOTE]+1. Whilst Soi 6 is not my preferred late afternoon or night out in Pattaya (I prefer GC vibe / pool bars / live music venues) I visit Pattaya twice per year for one month in April and 3 weeks in low season (next trip coming up in 4 weeks). During each venue I always dedicate one night minimum (mostly 2) to Soi 6. It's almost like nostalgia. I cannot remember paying LT price of 1500 or less for a LONG time for a spinner / optifuk. Ram is not wrong to say that older ladies, some with few customer prospects, might do this. But he also commented that he is 40's and only takes the younger pretty girls. My experience is that ET is right. The bar fine price starts high and declines as the night progresses. The LT price for a spinner is now minimum 2000 (late on) or normally 2500-3000. I was there during Songkran this year (total bedlam! Just after Songkran I had a fabulous time in Toybox. Decided to try to take 2 young optifuks out for a night out, meal, bit of fun down WS and maybe a karaoke or pool competition. Despite generosity with lady drinks my attempts to persuade both of them to come for 2000 each, meal, drinks all night did not succeed. At that point (8 pm) mamasan was quoting 1500 BF for each of the two but said she would take 1000 for each if I definitely took two. But the LT price at that time was 3000 and the best I could get it to was 2500. So rather than spend 7000 (x2 2500 and x2 1000) I said I would take one only for 1500 BF and 2500. The mamasan asked me "why take 2 for 5000 when you can take 2 for 7000". Fair point. Having now referred to the price in global terms I countered with 6000 for the two and she reluctantly accepted. Meaning I got x2 BF 1000 (which at 8 pm is reasonable) and x2 LT at 2000 each. Great night was had. But the notion of the best looking girls doing 1500 LT and BF at 500? Sorry. Not something I've come across on Soi 6 for a very long time. And no, I'm not a bar owner!

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2938133][B]I prefer Short Time[/B]

[U]Reasons why I prefer short time[/U]

I pay a prostitute to leave. My time is WAY to valuable to spend it with someone pretending. I do not need to pay a girl to be my companion. Which the only reason to have a girl Long Time. I am not fucking her 5 - 8 hours that she is with me. Why am I paying a employee to sleep?

If I want to do long time with a girl I get an real girlfriend / ATF. You know one of those girls that PROFESSIONAL TRICKS have forgotten exists. A [I]good time[/I] that will spend time with you because you are paying for the good times. Not for her time or pussy. I have one of those everywhere I spend extensive time. To include Pattaya Thailand. That means I have to like her personality. She needs to bring more to the table than just her pussy. She has to have personality. She has to be someone who looks out for me.

I do not like to travel with random girls. If I am going to spend that much time with a girl then I need to share insane chemistry with her outside of sexual interaction. Girl has to be the #2 category to ride in a plane, train, boat or automobile trip of extensive length of time.

Demands of the market dictate. In no way and never has it been that market participants on the demand side are the sole individuals that dictate the market. The girls selling the pussy play a role in it also. But most wage slaves they do not under market dynamics. These girls selling pussy for a living or pastime understand the dynamics of a market way better than mere salary earners. The know that three short time customers pays 3000 THB in three hours than one LT customer that pays 3000 for 5 - 8 hours of her time. Even a wage slave can do the math on that.

Never thought I would see Mr. E talking about glory days. But here we are. Time catches up with everyone. But wishful thinking does not control the market. Supply and demand does. If you want Long Time pay up and make it worth the while of the prostitute you are hiring.

You can find inflation in all markets around the world. Package sizes getting smaller while the price staying the same. The problem is the fiat money system that is build with inflation imbedded into the system that drains the value of your money out slowly. Market participants know this. That is why they raise prices. Because the inputs they need to pay for their life are increasing.

Individuals on the demand side also factor in. They feel richer because of asset inflation so they think they can spend more on the things that they like. The solution:

[B]get rich or die trying[/B]

So that you can participate in the game at the level you choose too without complaining about money on a obscure website focused on sharing information on having sex with girls. Or you can change the marketplace where you participate in activities.

[B]I can goto 808[/B] Get a table right next to the DJ booth order a bottle and set ups and that is going to be 2000 THB minimum. Or I can goto a [B]Thai Oriented club[/B] and party with multiple girls. I can buy multiple bottles and set ups. We drink all night, eat food, listen to good music. Girls be dancing on the tables at some point in the night. People are there celebrating their birthdays. Wide variety of music is played for the same exact 2000 THB minimum. The Thai Club is a WAY better value. You do not see me up in here complaining about the price of a bottle in 808.

[I]I am at peace with myself and all others[/I][/QUOTE]I pay a prostitute to leave. My time is WAY to valuable to spend it with someone pretending.

This sentence sums up my position as well. To this day, I have never done LT and doubt I ever will. Post nut clarity is something. Don't get how after busting with a hookie a punter doesn't immediately want her gone. But to each their own.

The DATY discussion is an interesting one. I haven't engaged in it yet on this trip and don't forsee doing it. After the bloody first encounter I had on this Pattaya trip, I can't get myself to eat, especially not a hookie.

The LAW according to the most famous Bargirl in Pattaya. S3 xy Bar. ARISA. A solid 4 but she has men after her like NO Tomorrow.

You tube clip of her telling Colin she doesn't like him. He needs to be able to read the Room she told him. Colin buying her 40 drinks is fine but she still won't like him.

Overpaying a girl is just Nonsensical.

How you like me NOW. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2938112]Pricing not Complicated Bro.[/QUOTE]Not so simple no one seems to agree on the prices here.

Bro.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2938142]I guess my experience is pretty different from yours. I must have a knack for choosing chicks that I actually enjoy being around and that it seems enjoy being around me. Nobody is usually breaking their neck to run out of the door and give the money to any mystery boyfriend or husband. They must be hiding them pretty good since I go to most chick's rooms and sometimes even stay the night there.[/QUOTE]Probably yes you have a knack that no one has on this thread.

Post a picture of you just so we can be sure of your knack.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2938133]You can find inflation in all markets around the world.[/QUOTE]There has not been any inflation in Thailand that is 50-100%. I talked to a thai and she told me prices has increased around 3-5%, maximum 7%. An increase for an average looking girl on soi 6 from 1000 to 1500 or even 2000 has nothing to do with inflation. I was in Pattaya in July. I did write a report about it here. I bartered the price down on soi 6. Payed a maximum 1500 for one of the top 10% of the girls (lookswise). The other two were 1200 and even a 1000. But two of them tried 2000. Thats a price increase, not inflation.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2937990]My opinion of Soi 6 and Pattaya in general is that the girls working in the bars and also many TF FLs don't like to go LT anymore. They often ask 4-6000 LT not because they think they can get it, but to discourage people from going LT. They prefer ST for obvious reasons..[/QUOTE]I was offered LT 2500 from a 23 year old. But it was quiet there. I think it is going to stay relativly quiet, even in so called "high season". Flight prices are brutal. You can just take the money for the ticket and use it were you live if you want to monger.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2937598]Rates for Thai men, not the same for Farangs who don't speak Thai.[/QUOTE]Of course, but should it be acceptable with double or triple prices? I don't think so.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2938262]Not so simple no one seems to agree on the prices here.

Bro.[/QUOTE]1. Hot girls. Maybe 5 of them on Soi 6. 2,000 plus.

2. The rest. 1 k- 2 k.

Not Hard Bro.

Just wondering with the current scene at Soi 6, are there any bars left on that street which have a lot of ladyboys? I would like to steer clear of them if possible.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2938300]Just wondering with the current scene at Soi 6, are there any bars left on that street which have a lot of ladyboys? I would like to steer clear of them if possible.[/QUOTE]The first bar on the right hand side when you enter the soi from second road. Some LBs in Solo bar too (mixed bar).

Some others in the bar in front of Hero bar too.

Just be aware there are still some LBs in the soi, but most of the time they are obvious to spot.

I don't think you would spot any in a Nightwish bar though.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2938300]Just wondering with the current scene at Soi 6, are there any bars left on that street which have a lot of ladyboys? I would like to steer clear of them if possible.[/QUOTE]We know you really want to know where the ladyboy bars are so you can in fact take a look your not fooling me.

On to pricing the rates I was quoted or heard while in the bar with friends are as follows St was 400 baht for room 1500-2000 for the girl. The LT rate was 2500 baht bar fine and I can't be sure but believe 3000 for the girl was the price plus five drinks.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2938300]Just wondering with the current scene at Soi 6, are there any bars left on that street which have a lot of ladyboys? I would like to steer clear of them if possible.[/QUOTE]Yea sure you want to "steer clear".

We believe you.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2938300]Just wondering with the current scene at Soi 6, are there any bars left on that street which have a lot of ladyboys? I would like to steer clear of them if possible.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a round about way of asking if there are any ladyboy bars on the 6 to avoid. Because you really want to check one out LOL. Walk down Soi 6/1, you will find what you are looking for.

I have a question about the opinions of people here about Pattaya "game. " Now if there's any place on Earth that requires no "game" at all, it's Pattaya, but I'd still like to know what you think.

Let's say there's a cute girl who works at a coffee shop or whatever that seems to be interacting warmly with you. How would you go about trying to offer her money for sex.

On TF, do you bother saying anything other than "Hi. Do you freelance?" and then make them an offer if they say yes? I used to try to say more than this, but they would just respond with "I'm freelancer" if that's what they were.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2938208][b]I pay a prostitute to leave. My time is WAY too valuable to spend it with someone pretending.[/b]

This sentence sums up my position as well. To this day, I have never done LT and doubt I ever will. Post nut clarity is something. Don't get how after busting with a hookie a punter doesn't immediately want her gone. But to each their own.

The DATY discussion is an interesting one. I haven't engaged in it yet on this trip and don't forsee doing it. After the bloody first encounter I had on this Pattaya trip, I can't get myself to eat, especially not a hookie.[/QUOTE][B]You keeping it 100 up in here brother[/B]

But others should not get it twisted. If Long Time is their thing that is what they should focus on. If you are getting Long Time consistently for 1200 THB then why you hating on those who prefer short time even it they are willing to pay more for it than others are paying for short time. It is a pussy market and the market has turned based on the preferences of the punters. Time is simply too valuable to be spending it with prostitutes. I ask a question of everyone.

[B]]When you goto the mechanic and pay for your oil to be changed (car or motorbike) do you hang out with your mechanic afterwards? [/B]

If a punter wants to lap up pussy and perform analingus on the prostitutes they hire it is not my concern because it is not my mouth, tongue or money. But it does lead into a more interesting discussion about pricing: What are actual services provided when you hire a prostitute at [I]market[/I] prices? Personally I think trip reports should include that information. Because if you are asking for more than what is included in what is considered to be a standard basket of services then wouldn't it be logical that the price of those services would be higher? There is not much discussion of the services received by the one 1% if use that file detailed trip reports. I would appreciate inclusion of the services received when reports of prices paid are made.

[U]My 2 BHAT[/U]

The only thing set when it comes to pricing on [B]Soi 6[/B] is the barfine or room fee. EVERYTHING else is negotiable. EVERYONE will pay what they negotiate. Please do not listen to our forum prognosticators. Goto [B]Soi 6[/B] enter into negotiations for yourselves. See what happens.

I like [B]Soi 6[/B] in the afternoon. Girls have energy and are ready to get their 1st fuck of the shift in. They are not trying to hound me for drinks. I can cut deals where we just go straight to room for [I]dick sucking and boom boom[/I]. In order to protect my readership from having apoplectic fits, I will not get into prices. But I have never paid more than 1500 to the girl on [B]Soi 6[/B]. Beauty standards are subjective.

[I]Payed a maximum 1500 for one of the top 10% of the girls (lookswise). [/I] I believe the amount part, but not the looks part. [B]LOL![/B].

[B]How you like me now?[/B]

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2938393]I have a question about the opinions of people here about Pattaya "game. " Now if there's any place on Earth that requires no "game" at all, it's Pattaya, but I'd still like to know what you think.[/QUOTE]Game is not for "The Game" game is for getting [I]free pussy[/I].

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2938393]Let's say there's a cute girl who works at a coffee shop or whatever that seems to be interacting warmly with you. How would you go about trying to offer her money for sex.[/QUOTE]This question proves to me that you have no game. I personally would not offer a girl like that money up front. I would present the idea that I would like to see her outside of work and leave it at that. Get line and WhatsApp and have a discussion.

But if you really want to up your game, try asking her out on a [I]real date[/I] where you provide the money none sexual activities. It may take more than one. But you should be able to tell if she is going to give up the pussy after one date base on the chemistry you share. She may even give it up after the first date.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2938393]On TF, do you bother saying anything other than "Hi. Do you freelance?" and then make them an offer if they say yes? I used to try to say more than this, but they would just respond with "I'm freelancer" if that's what they were.[/QUOTE]I have normal conversations with girls. If they want money they will tell you or ask you for it. If they want a boyfriend or relationship I tell them they can be my girlfriend but I have many or that I can have a relationship with them but I am not exclusive. [B]These girls in Pattaya know what up[/B]. It is many of the farangs that are clueless.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2938393]Let's say there's a cute girl who works at a coffee shop or whatever that seems to be interacting warmly with you. How would you go about trying to offer her money for sex.[/QUOTE]Just ask her out like a civilian girl you would in your home country no different than you've been doing all your life. Sometimes it leads to nothing sometimes you luck out. I don't treat civilian girls like a prostitute who has sex for money. That would be someone with no game who does that.

Don't get me wrong I don't go around doing this stuff. You could count the times on two hands in Pattaya since 2015.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2938393]Let's say there's a cute girl who works at a coffee shop or whatever that seems to be interacting warmly with you. How would you go about trying to offer her money for sex.[/QUOTE]I would say how much for boom boom? Fuck dude, are there not enough known hookers around that you have to go around risking insulting people working their normal job by offering money for sex? Do you know how to pick up chicks that are not hookers?

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2938393]On TF, do you bother saying anything other than "Hi. Do you freelance?" and then make them an offer if they say yes? I used to try to say more than this, but they would just respond with "I'm freelancer" if that's what they were.[/QUOTE]TF is a mix of normal chicks and hookers. Why would I risk pissing off a normal chick that may become a great friend or more by immediately asking to pay her for sex? Again, do you know how to talk to normal women? Just say Hello, and the rest will work itself out. No need of jumping the gun rushing up to every woman you come across asking if you can pay her for sex.

Also, if you come across an item for sale, do you immediately make an offer to the owner, or do you ask the owner how much they are looking to get?

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2938393]I have a question about the opinions of people here about Pattaya "game. " Now if there's any place on Earth that requires no "game" at all, it's Pattaya, but I'd still like to know what you think.

Let's say there's a cute girl who works at a coffee shop or whatever that seems to be interacting warmly with you. How would you go about trying to offer her money for sex.

On TF, do you bother saying anything other than "Hi. Do you freelance?" and then make them an offer if they say yes? I used to try to say more than this, but they would just respond with "I'm freelancer" if that's what they were.[/QUOTE]On Thai Friendly you just say Hello, then after they say Hello, back then you hit them with a "ST 1000 baht" and then go from there. Some will accept that, some will counter offer with a higher number. Almost all will ask for your Line ID or give you their Line ID and then you continue the negotiations on Line which is better because then you can send them your location and they show up right to your hotel or airbnb.

I've only run into two who said they were not freelance out of 30+ I have already fucked. When they say that I don't continue to persuade them I just block them and onto the next. I'd say 90% of them are "looking for customers" in fact some even have that written on their profiles.

Hope this helps.

-Gabacho.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2938393]Let's say there's a cute girl who works at a coffee shop or whatever that seems to be interacting warmly with you. How would you go about trying to offer her money for sex.[/QUOTE]I don't offer money, I simply ask "Would you join me for dinner tomorrow?" or something like that. She might say yes, she might say no, or she might tell you she is freelancer. I had 2 good P4P experiences like that earlier this year. One was an employee at a clothing store and the other was a customer at 7-11. My best ever non-P4P Thai girl was a customer at a coffee shop.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2938393]On TF, do you bother saying anything other than "Hi. Do you freelance?" and then make them an offer if they say yes? I used to try to say more than this, but they would just respond with "I'm freelancer" if that's what they were.[/QUOTE]I ask a different question: "'What do you want to find in ThaiFriendly?" They might say "customers" they might say "sincerity/husband/boyfriend".

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2938363]Yea sure you want to "steer clear".

We believe you.[/QUOTE]He is asking for a friend, LOL, not for himself. When the glass is half empty, the other part is half full. So if you know where you shouldn't go. LOL.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2938208]I pay a prostitute to leave. My time is WAY to valuable to spend it with someone pretending.

This sentence sums up my position as well. To this day, I have never done LT and doubt I ever will. Post nut clarity is something. Don't get how after busting with a hookie a punter doesn't immediately want her gone. But to each their own.

The DATY discussion is an interesting one. I haven't engaged in it yet on this trip and don't forsee doing it. After the bloody first encounter I had on this Pattaya trip, I can't get myself to eat, especially not a hookie.[/QUOTE]I think you and I approach Pattaya much the same. I remember I left a report stating that I am pretty much exclusively a TF hunter because bars and clubs aren't really my thing, and you said you are more or less similar. I also am a ST-only guy. I get the irrational caveman need to fuck, but then as soon as I'm done, I have absolutely no desire to be with a woman who I can barely communicate with. I also NEVER eat out prozzies. I cannot imagine doing that in a city like Pattaya.

Last time I was in Pattaya, I left a bit jaded and bitter...but after a horrible trip to Kenya I think for my return trip to Pattaya later this year, I will show a renewed appreciation for the prozzie Mecca. I look forward to leaving a hopefully less gloomy review when I do get back to the promised land.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2938459]He is asking for a friend, LOL, not for himself. When the glass is half empty, the other part is half full. So if you know where you shouldn't go. LOL.[/QUOTE]Someone make sure to tell him (sorry, I mean warn him) where the LB bars where they have the real big d1 cks so he can avoid those the most!

But seriously if the guy is really looking for LBs. I've never put any time into looking, but I've seen some real sketchy looking ones on the alley on the south of Soi 6. And I also saw a LB bar while walking through Treetown one time. I don't remember the street names, but they at least looked like they were actually trying. Unlike the street urchins behind Soi 6.

So those are the places you should avoid. Or go to. Depending on the actual intent of your post.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2938204]+1. Whilst Soi 6 is not my preferred late afternoon or night out in Pattaya (I prefer GC vibe / pool bars / live music venues) I visit Pattaya twice per year for one month in April and 3 weeks in low season (next trip coming up in 4 weeks). During each venue I always dedicate one night minimum (mostly 2) to Soi 6. It's almost like nostalgia. I cannot remember paying LT price of 1500 or less for a LONG time for a spinner / optifuk. Ram is not wrong to say that older ladies, some with few customer prospects, might do this. But he also commented that he is 40's and only takes the younger pretty girls. My experience is that ET is right. The bar fine price starts high and declines as the night progresses. The LT price for a spinner is now minimum 2000 (late on) or normally 2500-3000. I was there during Songkran this year (total bedlam! Just after Songkran I had a fabulous time in Toybox. Decided to try to take 2 young optifuks out for a night out, meal, bit of fun down WS and maybe a karaoke or pool competition. Despite generosity with lady drinks my attempts to persuade both of them to come for 2000 each, meal, drinks all night did not succeed. At that point (8 pm) mamasan was quoting 1500 BF for each of the two but said she would take 1000 for each if I definitely took two. But the LT price at that time was 3000 and the best I could get it to was 2500. So rather than spend 7000 (x2 2500 and x2 1000) I said I would take one only for 1500 BF and 2500. The mamasan asked me "why take 2 for 5000 when you can take 2 for 7000". Fair point. Having now referred to the price in global terms I countered with 6000 for the two and she reluctantly accepted. Meaning I got x2 BF 1000 (which at 8 pm is reasonable) and x2 LT at 2000 each. Great night was had. But the notion of the best looking girls doing 1500 LT and BF at 500? Sorry. Not something I've come across on Soi 6 for a very long time. And no, I'm not a bar owner![/QUOTE]I didn't say the norm was 1500 LT. I said I have been offered 1500 on several occasions for LT from Soi 6, which I interpret as paying the bar fine and leaving the bar with the girl back to my hotel or where ever we choose to go. The first girl who offered me this, I had ST with previously twice and we were having a few drinks together and she asked me to take her to walking street for the night and I said, " for short time price" and she was quick to agree. This girl was very attractive and I think 27 or 28 years old. I didn't want to be stuck with her all night and I m here for variety so I declined and moved on, but it was 100% offered to me. The other two, same thing. I didn't want to LT with them so I just ST with them on site. Again, for context. This is all happening past 10 pm As for me, I am in my early 40's and stay in shape, tall white American. But nothing special, pricing for me and for an overweight guy in his 60's is not going to be significantly different.

Now, when I do take girls from Soi 6 or Mythnight or Treetown. I never pay more than 2000 for the girl and a barfine around 500. I think I have paid 600 a few times. Again, for context, this is after drinking with them for some time and it is usually late at night. I only go for attractive girls in their twenties as well. So back to my original statement. Here is a general guide for pricing for the beer bars at these locations for an attractive girl later in the evening.

1500ST - 500 for room.

2000 LT - 500-600 baht bar fine.

As I have stated in previous posts, I don't even buy a drink for a girl unless she is giving me strong signals she wants to drink with me and I usually won't discuss bar fine or ST until after we have been making out and she has been grabbing my cock. This lets me know she wants me as a client and there will me no funny business. I may have to visit several bars and go through several girls until I find this, but almost always it is easily attainable. And yes I have had girls deny me and won't go for below 2000 for ST, but most are quick to agree. Those are the prices you should be shooting for. If you have to pay an extra 1000 baht to get what you want, who cares pay it and fuck.

I don't think we should be going out of our way to pay these girls as much as possible though LOL.

Walking Street gogo update. Bar fines start around 1500-2000 and girls usually want 3000. Gogos on the side streets are empty and can get good action there. Quality of girls can vary.

[QUOTE=BPalacio;2938460]I think you and I approach Pattaya much the same. I remember I left a report stating that I am pretty much exclusively a TF hunter because bars and clubs aren't really my thing, and you said you are more or less similar. I also am a ST-only guy. I get the irrational caveman need to fuck, but then as soon as I'm done, I have absolutely no desire to be with a woman who I can barely communicate with. I also NEVER eat out prozzies. I cannot imagine doing that in a city like Pattaya.

Last time I was in Pattaya, I left a bit jaded and bitter...but after a horrible trip to Kenya I think for my return trip to Pattaya later this year, I will show a renewed appreciation for the prozzie Mecca. I look forward to leaving a hopefully less gloomy review when I do get back to the promised land.[/QUOTE]Indeed, sounds like we are similar. Given the cultural differences and language barrier, there's just not much to discuss with a working girl, and I actually speak some Thai and can communicate at a basic level, but still find them boring. I'm having a good time in Pattaya even with some of the negatives. Having said that, I'll likely try to find greener pastures for my next trip. I'm finding Asian girls less and less attractive. I was in Jomtien yesterday and there's a big Russian population there. Saw a few absolute beauties that looked like models and better than any Thai chick I have seen since being in Thailand for two weeks. The biggest draw of Pattaya and BKK is the ease of procuring ass, which will keep it the goat. But in terms of looks, I just want some Latinas or Eastern Euro / Russian chicks at this point.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2938456]I ask a different question: "'What do you want to find in ThaiFriendly?" They might say "customers" they might say "sincerity/husband/boyfriend".[/QUOTE]That is absolutely the worst thing you can ask. I'm surprised they even answer you. Almost all of the ladys hate that. They much prefer you to tell them what you want so they know if they want to answer you.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2938198]Really? Have you tried them all? I have been to several barbers in Pattaya over the years, and have no complaints at all.[/QUOTE]Been to 4 different barbers. One was sufficient, but its a far walk from my hotel which is why I didn't go back. The other 3 were horrendous. I get a shave and a haircut and the barbers butchered my face each time with the straight razor. Seriously it was fucking terrible. No aftershave even. I m done ever having a shave from an Thai barber again.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2938345]The first bar on the right hand side when you enter the soi from second road. Some LBs in Solo bar too (mixed bar).

Some others in the bar in front of Hero bar too.

Just be aware there are still some LBs in the soi, but most of the time they are obvious to spot.

I don't think you would spot any in a Nightwish bar though.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. I recall many years ago when I visited Nana Plaza and had to walk past some of these ladyboys who were quite aggressive in grabbing me and I really didn't appreciate it. Walked as fast as I could past them. However I don't judge others who are into it. Just not for me.

And as for others who think I'm actually asking indirectly to hope to find some ladyboys instead -- what the frack is wrong with you guys? If I wanted to them or anything else, I would ask directly. If you do a search on all my past trip reports (Panama, Medellin from this year for example), I'm detailed and try my very best to provide as much useful info for fellow travellers as much as possible. To have idiots here make stupid accusations about other members here who actually try their best to contribute whenever we can and also ask honestly for needed info for upcoming trips is not only disrespectful but unacceptable. Hoping the moderators will take note of these guys.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2938272]T

Of course, but should it be acceptable with double or triple prices? I don't think so.[/QUOTE]I don't know much, but I do know that girls that sell sex in Pattaya or anywhere else in the world, could not be less interested in what you think or anyone on this site thinks about how much they should charge for their service. All they care about is how much they can make for allowing you to be a sex partner with them. And while many would like to see it change, not many guys when confronted with a lady they really want to have sex with will walk away because they are trying to "protect the market" from price increases.

It doesn't matter if you or anyone thinks it is acceptable or not. If a lady can convince a customer to pay double or triple and it serves her purpose, she will do it and not look back. I am not sure why folks get all wrapped around the axle with this. Pay what you want, walk away if it doesn't fit your idea of a reasonable price. Pretty sure the word "fair" is never part of the equation.

I am NOT saying you should like higher prices, just saying complaining about them is a waste of time and energy. But that is just my opinion and has the same value as what you paid for it. LOL.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2938482]Indeed, sounds like we are similar. Given the cultural differences and language barrier, there's just not much to discuss with a working girl, and I actually speak some Thai and can communicate at a basic level, but still find them boring. I'm having a good time in Pattaya even with some of the negatives. Having said that, I'll likely try to find greener pastures for my next trip. I'm finding Asian girls less and less attractive. I was in Jomtien yesterday and there's a big Russian population there. Saw a few absolute beauties that looked like models and better than any Thai chick I have seen since being in Thailand for two weeks. The biggest draw of Pattaya and BKK is the ease of procuring ass, which will keep it the goat. But in terms of looks, I just want some Latinas or Eastern Euro / Russian chicks at this point.[/QUOTE]Couldn't agree more, I am lusting to get back to the latinas although I do love Pattaya. I stumbled into one of the Russian bars on Walking Street the other night. There was def some gorgeous Europeans in there. Tall with wide fat asses like I like. I had a few drinks with a Ukraine hooker. 500 for lady drink, yes I know I should have never paid that but I really needed something to feel up that wasn't a tiny asian. Anyway girl was really cool except that she started out with a 40,000 baht offer for LT LOL. She quickly dropped to 25,000 baht when she saw I almost spit out my drink LOL. So anyway, if there is any big spenders out there, that's the price for some "Red Heat" LOL.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2938503]Thanks for the info. I recall many years ago when I visited Nana Plaza and had to walk past some of these ladyboys who were quite aggressive in grabbing me and I really didn't appreciate it. Walked as fast as I could past them. However I don't judge others who are into it. Just not for me.

And as for others who think I'm actually asking indirectly to hope to find some ladyboys instead -- what the frack is wrong with you guys? If I wanted to them or anything else, I would ask directly. If you do a search on all my past trip reports (Panama, Medellin from this year for example), I'm detailed and try my very best to provide as much useful info for fellow travellers as much as possible. To have idiots here make stupid accusations about other members here who actually try their best to contribute whenever we can and also ask honestly for needed info for upcoming trips is not only disrespectful but unacceptable. Hoping the moderators will take note of these guys.[/QUOTE]Bad news for you brother. There are lady boy bars all over Pattaya everywhere you go and many massage parlors and beer bars will usually have a ladyboy or two hanging out. They are easy to spot. I had that like 2 meter tall man-woman on Soi Buakao latch onto my arm the other night for a good 45 seconds and would not let go. She had giant hands with a chimpanzee grip. I was playing like it was funny, but I was shook something was going to go down and shit was going to pop off with a pack of lady boys which is the last thing in the world anyone wants. You really want to get into a bloody street fight with some lady boys? Nah hell fucking no! Anyway she released me from her clutches and I high tailed it out of there and made a note never walk on that side of the street again.

That being said, any other time I ran close to one of the lady boys it was no big deal and they just cat call you like any other hooker.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2938493]Been to 4 different barbers. One was sufficient, but its a far walk from my hotel which is why I didn't go back. The other 3 were horrendous. I get a shave and a haircut and the barbers butchered my face each time with the straight razor. Seriously it was fucking terrible. No aftershave even. I m done ever having a shave from an Thai barber again.[/QUOTE]If you have a decent set of hair and expect the same back home the reality is go back home to get it cut or cut one before you come!

This is reality, majority and I speak in general didn't go to a barber school most are self taught by someone they know or a parent. Both of my sons cousins have cut my hair what is left I go to a lady near my house I call her shop 5 minutes cause that is how much time it takes to cut my hair every two weeks rain or shine without the shave. How, I get my regular a number 1 that should indicate what is left on top 100 baht and 120 with the shave. After shave " coming on " really if you are lucky it you get a bit of soap that is it!

To go to a decent school and even then they aren't going to teach them with after shave the cost might run about 25,000 baht, many can't even afford 60 baht to buy a box of condom school training it isn't happening. Even the female salons, many can wash you hair do your nails but cutting, style, one has to go to a school, my wife years ago, wanted to get trained 20 years ago that school one of the best 40,000 baht had to attend for a year her training was going to events and cutting hair for free to locals.

You want to get it cut even half decent let it grow or cut it all off! LOL,

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2938660]If you have a decent set of hair and expect the same back home the reality is go back home to get it cut or cut one before you come!

This is reality, majority and I speak in general didn't go to a barber school most are self taught by someone they know or a parent. Both of my sons cousins have cut my hair what is left I go to a lady near my house I call her shop 5 minutes cause that is how much time it takes to cut my hair every two weeks rain or shine without the shave. How, I get my regular a number 1 that should indicate what is left on top 100 baht and 120 with the shave. After shave " coming on " really if you are lucky it you get a bit of soap that is it!

To go to a decent school and even then they aren't going to teach them with after shave the cost might run about 25,000 baht, many can't even afford 60 baht to buy a box of condom school training it isn't happening. Even the female salons, many can wash you hair do your nails but cutting, style, one has to go to a school, my wife years ago, wanted to get trained 20 years ago that school one of the best 40,000 baht had to attend for a year her training was going to events and cutting hair for free to locals.

You want to get it cut even half decent let it grow or cut it all off! LOL,[/QUOTE]Thanks for reply and I don't mean this in an insulting way, but your mastery of english grammar is equal to the level of mastery of the Thai barbers when it pertains to men's grooming. Everyone, you have been warned.

I wish the Thai barbers were as good as the Thai cover-rock bands. They are amazing!

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2938529]Couldn't agree more, I am lusting to get back to the latinas although I do love Pattaya. I stumbled into one of the Russian bars on Walking Street the other night. There was def some gorgeous Europeans in there. Tall with wide fat asses like I like. I had a few drinks with a Ukraine hooker. 500 for lady drink, yes I know I should have never paid that but I really needed something to feel up that wasn't a tiny asian. Anyway girl was really cool except that she started out with a 40,000 baht offer for LT LOL. She quickly dropped to 25,000 baht when she saw I almost spit out my drink LOL. So anyway, if there is any big spenders out there, that's the price for some "Red Heat" LOL.[/QUOTE]I suspect those ladies' core customer demographic are men from countries west of Thailand, and southeast of Europe, who are the tiny minority with big money.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2938685]I suspect those ladies' core customer demographic are men from countries west of Thailand, and southeast of Europe, who are the tiny minority with big money.[/QUOTE]The Russians or simulation thereof used to ask 10 K in Mixx. The prices in Pattaya are stupid.

Are you going to cheap barber shops around the city? I tried several before I said fuck it. Decided to go to a high end beauty salon in one of the malls. Finally a normal haircut but at the price of nearly 2000 baht after tip. It's a lot but at least she doesn't ruin my expensive cut I paid for in Harajuku or my home country.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2938493]Been to 4 different barbers. One was sufficient, but its a far walk from my hotel which is why I didn't go back. [/QUOTE]

Not worth paying around 60 baht each way for a Bolt to get a good haircut?

FYI there are "free" haircut days through the many beauty schools around the city. You see them on South Pattaya Road near Tukcom and in Jomtien. I say "free" cause a tip to the girls would be more than appreciated.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2938665]Thanks for reply and I don't mean this in an insulting way, but your mastery of english grammar is equal to the level of mastery of the Thai barbers when it pertains to men's grooming. Everyone, you have been warned.

I wish the Thai barbers were as good as the Thai cover-rock bands. They are amazing![/QUOTE]It is a bit of an insult why cause it is an International site not a check on grammar you silly ass! You got as bad as it is wrtten every fucking word felt a bit belittle ashame so what does a big ego guy like you do natural try to hit back. It is what it is so don't take this too hard! I hope you do give a barber another try so he slips.

Go home cause a guy who bitches about a haircut really has no business coming here you must have lots of luggage with you packed your pillow and baby blanket!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2938764]Are you going to cheap barber shops around the city? I tried several before I said fuck it. Decided to go to a high end beauty salon in one of the malls. Finally a normal haircut but at the price of nearly 2000 baht after tip. It's a lot but at least she doesn't ruin my expensive cut I paid for in Harajuku or my home country.



Not worth paying around 60 baht each way for a Bolt to get a good haircut?

FYI there are "free" haircut days through the many beauty schools around the city. You see them on South Pattaya Road near Tukcom and in Jomtien. I say "free" cause a tip to the girls would be more than appreciated.[/QUOTE]The fairy should head to Soi 6/1, he's most likely looking for one of those type of haircuts the big baby might also want a wax job throw in.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2938773]It is a bit of an insult why cause it is an International site not a check on grammar you silly ass! You got as bad as it is wrtten every fucking word felt a bit belittle ashame so what does a big ego guy like you do natural try to hit back. It is what it is so don't take this too hard! I hope you do give a barber another try so he slips.

Go home cause a guy who bitches about a haircut really has no business coming here you must have lots of luggage with you packed your pillow and baby blanket![/QUOTE]My brother man, relax, its not that serious. But clearly english is not your first language and the translation app you are using is not functioning properly and your posts barely make any sense. You haven't even grasped the concept of using a "period" at the end of your sentences. There is no need to take it so personal and make yourself feel so ashamed.

Now as for the Thai barbers, there is no excuse for not knowing how to shave a man's face if your running a Barber shop. There are simple steps you must follow. First you have to use the clippers to trim a beard down, then preferably use the foil trimmers to shave it down even further. Then a hot towel is usually used on the face to soften the skin before the straight razor. And before you use the fucking straight razor, you actually have to make sure its fucking sharp by sharpening that *****. As you shave the face, you should even be sharpening it on the leather strop. And the strokes should be small and precise so you don't cut the man your shaving. It should be a pleasant relaxing experience. Not frightening, painful, and full of worry some kid is going to slice your face open. Once the shave is done, again a hot towel should be applied before some after shave to disinfect your face.

These barbers are just lathering you up with shaving cream and shaving you down with a dull straight razor and taking way to big strokes to get it done as soon as possible and cutting the shit out of your face. It took 30 minutes to stop bleeding and my face was stinging when I touched it for 2 days and had a visible razor burn rash.

Its not rocket science. Go to any barber shop in Latin America or a major American city and they will be on point and you will get an excellent shave. The barbers shops are not up to par and there is no excuse if your charging someone money and fucking there shit up.

[U]Soi 6[/U]

Was just on Soi 6 couple of nights ago 2230. Prices for rooms 400 - 500. Prices for girls 1000 - 4000. Most were 2000. Refused all. Girl sat down with me in one of the bars. Bought her two lady drinks and felt her up in the process. Asked for Short Time at 4000. I declined. [B]LOL![/B] And I bought that * 2 LDs.

KrumeLurer your thought on prices are irrelevant. Soi 6 is a pussy market with its own structure. If you don't like it my suggestion is to source your prostitutes from a different location. Do not go onto a BMW dealership and complain they cost way more than Kia's. [B]LOL![/B].

[B]I be ballin like a mother fucking pro![/B]

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2938272]There has not been any inflation in Thailand that is 50-100%. I talked to a thai and she told me prices has increased around 3-5%, maximum 7%. An increase for an average looking girl on soi 6 from 1000 to 1500 or even 2000 has nothing to do with inflation. I was in Pattaya in July. I did write a report about it here. I bartered the price down on soi 6. Payed a maximum 1500 for one of the top 10% of the girls (lookswise). The other two were 1200 and even a 1000. But two of them tried 2000. Thats a price increase, not inflation.

I was offered LT 2500 from a 23 year old. But it was quiet there. I think it is going to stay relativly quiet, even in so called "high season". Flight prices are brutal. You can just take the money for the ticket and use it were you live if you want to monger.

Of course, but should it be acceptable with double or triple prices? I don't think so.[/QUOTE][B]Does going to Soi 6 count as having fun in Pattaya?[/B]

[URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2024/08/20/drunk-foreigner-allegedly-assaults-fellow-foreigner-and-thai-woman-in-pattaya/[/URL]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2938879][URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2024/08/20/drunk-foreigner-allegedly-assaults-fellow-foreigner-and-thai-woman-in-pattaya/[/URL][/QUOTE]A bargirl was being harassed by an angry customer (angry at another bargirl), her Farang husband was lurking nearby, he intervened and the customer lashed out at both the bargirl and her husband. Police intervened, and now the customer is very sorry.

Lesson: don't fight in a Thai bar, it will not end well.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2938879][URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2024/08/20/drunk-foreigner-allegedly-assaults-fellow-foreigner-and-thai-woman-in-pattaya/[/URL][/QUOTE]Further evidence to avoid Soi 6 and all the BS that comes a long with it. The criminal is lucky Thai security didn't get involved or he would be on a hospital bed right now.

Most impressive aspect of the story is the 60 year old victim having a 27 year old wife. This man is a legend and is following my game plan.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2938529]Couldn't agree more, I am lusting to get back to the latinas although I do love Pattaya. I stumbled into one of the Russian bars on Walking Street the other night. There was def some gorgeous Europeans in there. Tall with wide fat asses like I like. I had a few drinks with a Ukraine hooker. 500 for lady drink, yes I know I should have never paid that but I really needed something to feel up that wasn't a tiny asian. Anyway girl was really cool except that she started out with a 40,000 baht offer for LT LOL. She quickly dropped to 25,000 baht when she saw I almost spit out my drink LOL. So anyway, if there is any big spenders out there, that's the price for some "Red Heat" LOL.[/QUOTE]I went to one of the Russian bars on Walking Street my first time to Thailand and got scammed on drinks, so never again for me. And I the Russian girls are crazy expensive anyways. I'the be willing to drop $250 usd on one if I was guaraneteed excellent service, but therein lies the crux of the matter, non-Asian ladies tend to give inferior service. So I am not willing to take the risk.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2938893]A bargirl was being harassed by an angry customer (angry at another bargirl), her Farang husband was lurking nearby, he intervened and the customer lashed out at both the bargirl and her husband. [/QUOTE]This is why in strip clubs where I live boyfriends aren't allowed in the bars. Same for FKK clubs.

60 year old husband has to watch his GF work in bars supporting both of them. He doesn't even have money to take her out of the business?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2939061]This is why in strip clubs where I live boyfriends aren't allowed in the bars. Same for FKK clubs.[/QUOTE]Many bar fights are related to pussy between mother fuckers with low intelligence, no game and a lack of an abundance mentality. I've had to get in the face of a farang or two while out with ATF. If a mother fucker is too dumb to leave a couple alone then they should learn painful life lessons.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2939061][b]60 year old husband has to watch his GF work in bars supporting both of them.[/b][/QUOTE]He is a smart man. She is probably supporting a boyfreind / girlfriend and he is still fucking on the side or at least getting threesomes.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2939061][b]He doesn't even have money to take her out of the business?[/b][/QUOTE]I cannot figure out if you think this is smart move or a bad move. I think it is a smart move. Let her finish out her career then retire. Why remove a source of income? Let's face it we are not dealing with a fucked relationship values based on western ways of thinking.

Getting in a fight over a prostitute is simply not smart unless you are trying to maintain face as her pimp. Sorry, I had to kick some of ghetto knowledge from my time in the game. I think someone said I was from Richmond, VA.

[B]Holla![/B]

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2938899]I'the be willing to drop $250 usd on one if I was guaraneteed excellent service, but therein lies the crux of the matter, non-Asian ladies tend to give inferior service.[/QUOTE]I have never heard any complaints about the African ladies in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2937563]My friend tell me he is used to find Soi6 fresh 20 yo girls for 100 for the night after bar and no fine nor extra. Usually 2 or 3 rounds until 10/11 am. Gogo are usually more expensive and more professionnal.[/QUOTE]Are you in Siam? Let's meet up.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2938787]My brother man, relax, its not that serious. But clearly english is not your first language and the translation app you are using is not functioning properly and your posts barely make any sense. You haven't even grasped the concept of using a "period" at the end of your sentences. There is no need to take it so personal and make yourself feel so ashamed.

Now as for the Thai barbers, there is no excuse for not knowing how to shave a man's face if your running a Barber shop. There are simple steps you must follow. First you have to use the clippers to trim a beard down, then preferably use the foil trimmers to shave it down even further. Then a hot towel is usually used on the face to soften the skin before the straight razor. And before you use the fucking straight razor, you actually have to make sure its fucking sharp by sharpening that *****. As you shave the face, you should even be sharpening it on the leather strop. And the strokes should be small and precise so you don't cut the man your shaving. It should be a pleasant relaxing experience. Not frightening, painful, and full of worry some kid is going to slice your face open. Once the shave is done, again a hot towel should be applied before some after shave to disinfect your face.

These barbers are just lathering you up with shaving cream and shaving you down with a dull straight razor and taking way to big strokes to get it done as soon as possible and cutting the shit out of your face. It took 30 minutes to stop bleeding and my face was stinging when I touched it for 2 days and had a visible razor burn rash.

Its not rocket science. Go to any barber shop in Latin America or a major American city and they will be on point and you will get an excellent shave. The barbers shops are not up to par and there is no excuse if your charging someone money and fucking there shit up.[/QUOTE]I think the one that needs to chill is you personally I don't need advice from a pussy who comes all the way over from what ever shit hole you come from and think your shit don't stink! The more you go on the more clear it is to your personality " hot towel " are you for real. You too stupid to figure it out instead you focus on periods instead of looking out the window and figuring out where you are which is Thailand! As you noted look in the mirror " this isn't rocket science " As noted again sad as it seems I have to use my lousy grammar minus periods to tell you " GET A CUT BEFORE YOU LEAVE AND GET IT CUT WHEN YOU RETURN HOME " IT ISN'T ROCKET SCIENCE!

Next are we going to have to hear your pussy ass talk about how your laundry isn't being cleaned right or how they don't know how to fold!

[B]LittleBigMan[/B] I am agreement with you. The individual being critical of your writing is engaged in an [B]ad hominem[/B] attack on your use of grammar is disrespectful and is of poor taste. As for his complaints against barbers of Thailand, I cannot invalidate his personal experiences. I can say that have not had a problem receiving quality services from a barber from the first week I was wheels down in the country until now. Even provided a referral that I have given to several of my friends and have received good reports back from them even when my particular Barber was not available.

Some people simply cannot be happy. But that is their problem not ours.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2939127][B]LittleBigMan[/B] I am agreement with you. The individual being critical of your writing is engaged in an [B]ad hominem[/B] attack on your use of grammar is disrespectful and is of poor taste. As for his complaints against barbers of Thailand, I cannot invalidate his personal experiences. I can say that have not had a problem receiving quality services from a barber from the first week I was wheels down in the country until now. Even provided a referral that I have given to several of my friends and have received good reports back from them even when my particular Barber was not available.

Some people simply cannot be happy. But that is their problem not ours.[/QUOTE]As you know my grammar is what it is I don't hide from it nor do I hide like a turtle on this board when someone diagree or criticize me. What I do see are a minority that get challenged go silent or don't post back then you got guys who I just responded honestly as to why he isn't going to find a barber as bad it is written understood every word felt inside a guy who can't write isn't going to demean me so guess what a guy who write well but have a small brain picks on my grammar " your period is placed wrong! Tries to use words like don't be insulted to justify how much of silly fruit he is deep down.

Today with all the talk of people not real, reports from people not even here, people changing handles, to each his own I wonder at times I wonder are these men or kids who write well I'm dealng with.

I look back growing up fools like this who would ruin the whole conversation by stopping because I didn't pronounce a word correctly.

Knew what I meant but make an English lesson out of the encounter!

Same type of guys who come out with go back to where you come from same type of stuff I had to deal in sports than an Asian can't play BB stuff. Today is 2024 things haven't change too much they don't where the hood any longer but the same thinking still exist in so many so normal they not a clue maybe that is the reason they come to Thailand.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2938787]My brother man, relax, its not that serious. But clearly english is not your first language and the translation app you are using is not functioning properly and your posts barely make any sense. You haven't even grasped the concept of using a "period" at the end of your sentences. There is no need to take it so personal and make yourself feel so ashamed.

Now as for the Thai barbers, there is no excuse for not knowing how to shave a man's face if your running a Barber shop. [/QUOTE]I suppose you meant "if you're running a Barber shop", at the end of the last sentence?

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2937563]My friend tell me he is used to find Soi6 fresh 20 yo girls for 100 for the night after bar and no fine nor extra. Usually 2 or 3 rounds until 10/11 am. Gogo are usually more expensive and more professionnal.[/QUOTE]Are my eyes deceiving me? How did you get in this thread? Did your friend show you photos he took of his Soi 6 girls? Since I know your taste in girls in FKK land you would be hard pressed to find a girl to your standards on Soi 6. Not saying there may not be a couple but you will need to scour the soi for hours finding one. Your only hope would be the top Walking Street gogo bars. Overnight with a gogo girl would be the same price you pay for entry and an hour with a girl from Sharks. Think of soi 6 as the old Penelope and a top Walking Street gogo bar as Goldentime.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2939072]I cannot figure out if you think this is smart move or a bad move. I think it is a smart move. Let her finish out her career then retire. Why remove a source of income? Let's face it we are not dealing with a fucked relationship values based on western ways of thinking[/QUOTE]I see your point but I know I wouldn't be letting my WIFE fuck other guys while I hang out in or near the bar she works at.

A Thai GF who doesn't live with him permanently yes It doesn't matter cause we all know she's only a GF by name or in his fantasy.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2939147]As you know my grammar is what it is I don't hide from it nor do I hide like a turtle on this board when someone diagree or criticize me. What I do see are a minority that get challenged go silent or don't post back then you got guys who I just responded honestly as to why he isn't going to find a barber as bad it is written understood every word felt inside a guy who can't write isn't going to demean me so guess what a guy who write well but have a small brain picks on my grammar " your period is placed wrong! Tries to use words like don't be insulted to justify how much of silly fruit he is deep down.

Today with all the talk of people not real, reports from people not even here, people changing handles, to each his own I wonder at times I wonder are these men or kids who write well I'm dealng with.

I look back growing up fools like this who would ruin the whole conversation by stopping because I didn't pronounce a word correctly.

Knew what I meant but make an English lesson out of the encounter!

Same type of guys who come out with go back to where you come from same type of stuff I had to deal in sports than an Asian can't play BB stuff. Today is 2024 things haven't change too much they don't where the hood any longer but the same thinking still exist in so many so normal they not a clue maybe that is the reason they come to Thailand.[/QUOTE]I am sorry! My bad. I should not have brought up your english. Enjoy your trip brother and again I apologize for being rude.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2939156]I see your point but [b]I know I wouldn't be letting my WIFE fuck other guys[/b] while I hang out in or near the bar she works at.[/QUOTE]To each their own. I don't own people and I don't think that is legal anymore. So, I cannot let anyone do anything. I can only decide to what I will and will not tolerate in my life. For the record I used to be in the lifestyle in the United States of America. Fucked plenty of wives while their husbands watched. Even had many husbands initiate it due to the quality reputation I had in my community. It is a sexual fetish for some people. Maybe that applies in this case. Except it is not physical actions but the knowledge that it is happening.

I've been in bed with "wives" while they took phone calls from their unknowing husbands. One the things I like most about being outside of North American culture and their fucked up ideas when it comes to relationships.

Why are you not questioning the bloke who got into the fight? If a someone rolled up on a girl I was trying to cut a deal with and girl decided to go to someone else. I wouldn't fight over it. I'm on [B]Soi 6[/B] there are lots of other girls. Abundance mindset. I am not fighting any man over a girl that is not asking for my protection. And if she is doing that it is because I have fucked her or she is my friend and she is being harassed in public. I am old man. Conflict averse. But in a personal defense situation I have had men 40 years my junior back down when I let them know one of us is going to die and the other is going to spend life in a Thai jail. No one wants their vacation to end like that.

I am describing a situation that happened to me in 808. Young punk from Burkina Faso put his hands on the girl I was with and she pulled away looked panicked and I got in his face. Verbal argument ensued and it ended with a recognition that he came to have a good time and it was about to end in a dramatic fashion win lose or draw. [B]Live Honorably![/B].

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2939156]A Thai GF who doesn't live with him permanently yes It doesn't matter cause we all know she's only a GF by name or in his fantasy.[/QUOTE]With all due respect, who gives a fuck? I see your comment as heavily biased at to what actually constitutes a real relationship by western standards. Sounds like monog thinking to me. Never understood why people drag the basses from their home countries from all over to a new place. Thought the idea was have new experiences? How can that happen if we hold on to old basis?

Mother fuckers fly halfway around the world. Fuck prostitutes for two weeks and then return home to their normal life. As long as the consenting adults know what the deal is or more importantly don't care what the deal is it all good in my eyes. Grown man wants to send money to a grown woman (circumstances don't matter). Who am I so say what the man should do with his hard earned money? Others are free so say so. And they will.

There is a poster that gives Thai Girl relationship advice. Do we have a new one?

[B]ROTFLMAO[/B]

In the Dominican Republic there is a saying: [I]how do you know your girl/girlfriend/wife is being faithful to you? When you have your dick in her[/I]. (Exceptions being Spit Roasting; DP, DVP, DAP).

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2939156]I see your point but I know I wouldn't be letting my WIFE fuck other guys while I hang out in or near the bar she works at.

A Thai GF who doesn't live with him permanently yes It doesn't matter cause we all know she's only a GF by name or in his fantasy.[/QUOTE]If a man is broke and his wife is splitting her wages from tricks with him, you would be amazed what he could agree to once he is hungry.

Best advice I ever got from watching WWF as a kid was from Ted Dibiase The Million Dollar Man, "Everybody has a Price! Hahaha.

And yes, any normal man isn't going broke like that but the ones that do turn to some nasty shit.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2939061]This is why in strip clubs where I live boyfriends aren't allowed in the bars. Same for FKK clubs.

60 year old husband has to watch his GF work in bars supporting both of them. He doesn't even have money to take her out of the business?[/QUOTE]I know some bargirls with impoverished Farang boyfriends. Some work OnlyFans rather than work bar, but no idea if that works long term.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2937912]2500 BAHT BAR FINE on Soi 6! LOLOLOLOL.[/QUOTE]Blame the Koreans on that one, any cheaper than that they would come at 3 pm and swoop the all the best looking ladies and the bar would have shit sales all day.

[QUOTE=Intrepid123;2939191]Blame the Koreans on that one, any cheaper than that they would come at 3 pm and swoop the all the best looking ladies and the bar would have shit sales all day.[/QUOTE]I was never quoted any higher than 400-500 for the upstairs room and 1500st to the girl. And I always went to the girl I thought was hottest. This was just a few weeks ago.

[QUOTE=Intrepid123;2939191]Blame the Koreans on that one, any cheaper than that they would come at 3 pm and swoop the all the best looking ladies and the bar would have shit sales all day.[/QUOTE]Interesting.

Each bars have few good looking girls anyway, even if K-lovers could swoop them all, is it really these few girls that bring all the sales for the bar?

Secondly I'm not seeing only K-lovers barfining early, Farangs who think they are smarter do the same.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2939156]I wouldn't be letting my WIFE fuck other guys while I hang out in or near the bar she works at.
.[/QUOTE]You are wrong, it is very exciting.

On the other hand, In Pattaya everyone fucks with everyone and it's heaven. Otherwise it's hell.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2939148]I suppose you meant "if you're running a Barber shop", at the end of the last sentence?[/QUOTE]Probably he also meant to type "it's" rather than "its" in the beginning, and add some commas here and there too. But give the dude a break. English does not seem to be his first language.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2939266]Probably he also meant to type "it's" rather than "its" in the beginning, and add some commas here and there too. But give the dude a break. English does not seem to be his first language.[/QUOTE]Lololol. My brother man, thank you for pointing that out to me!

I get such a chuckle out of weirdos who really take the time to post stupid nonsense like that. LOL your life must be so miserable.

Please feel free to correct all the grammar mistakes I have made, I haven't laughed this hard in awhile.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2938402]

[I]Payed a maximum 1500 for one of the top 10% of the girls (lookswise). [/I] I believe the amount part, but not the looks part. [B]LOL![/B].

[B]How you like me now?[/B][/QUOTE]Not less and not more than before. If you want to tease me or anything. Go ahead, I don't care. But I won't reply to it doing the same thing because such things often leads to warnings from the moderators and others don't like it.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2938841]Soi 6 a BMW dealership and complain they cost way more than Kia's.[/QUOTE]People never came to Pattaya to buy a BMW or a KIA for the price they paid back home. It was never what made Pattaya in to what it was. There is not escaping from that fact. Few people will fly half way across the world, pay the flight, take vacation, pay for hotel+food etc and then pay what they pay back home. Doesn't work like that. That prices stood in relation to what thais themselves would pay was a critical factor.

Some will keep coming, koreans japs and chinese with money. Yes, I know. But a loss of 50 % of your customer base can be devastating. Or even less than 50 %.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2939167]I am sorry! My bad. I should not have brought up your english. Enjoy your
trip brother and again I apologize for being rude.[/QUOTE]Accepted, thanks for man up! Enjoy the rest of your trip.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2939333]Not less and not more than before. If you want to tease me or anything. Go ahead, I don't care. But I won't reply to it doing the same thing because such things often leads to warnings from the moderators and others don't like it.[/QUOTE]Not teasing you. We are having a discussion. We can disagree without being disagreeable.

If you want to get nasty (and there many that do) you can do it in the [B]Rants[/B] section where the Administrator gives a wide berth to discuss issues. But even there my posts do not alway make it as I tend to have a more intense approach to interpersonal interactions online.

As for my thoughts about others who don't like my posts, my give a care factor is very low in that regard. The ignore function is available for all to use. I get too much positive feed back to be worried about a vocal minority of critics that wish to find fault with my posting.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2938272]There has not been any inflation in Thailand that is 50-100%. [/QUOTE]Agreed. We are not talking inflation we are talking price increases. My Bad.

But you want to say Thai Men pay less for pussy than Farangs. This is both true and not true.

Their are individual posters who advocate that they can pay the same amount that Thai Men pay using the same sources. Because they speak Thai. There is always two economies in any place where there is a large amount of tourism. That is life and the only way to get around it is to up your game.

Let me share with you that condo prices here in Pattaya are more expensive for Farangs than for Thai consumers. I looked a condo in View Talay 5. They told me that I could buy it for 2,400,000. 00 THB. I visited the condo with ATF and they told her that she could buy it for 1,700,000. 00. Should I get my panties in a knot over the difference? No that is just the way it is here in Pattaya. If I have a problem with it I simply should not buy it.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2938272]I talked to a thai and she told me prices has increased around 3-5%, maximum 7%.[/QUOTE]You talked to one Thai Girl about inflation in Pattaya? Was she a government economist? [B]LOL![/B].

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2938272]An increase for an average looking girl on soi 6 from 1000 to 1500 or even 2000 has nothing to do with inflation. [/QUOTE]You are right. It has to do with the price market participants are willing to pay.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2938272]I was in Pattaya in July. I did write a report about it here. I bartered the price down on soi 6. Payed a maximum 1500 for one of the top 10% of the girls (lookswise). The other two were 1200 and even a 1000. But two of them tried 2000. Thats a price increase, not inflation.[/QUOTE]Absolutely. For you maybe. Not for me. Note I was on [B]Soi 6[/B] earlier this week. Posted about it,.

Short time for 1000 THB has been my base price for over a year now here in Pattaya. In fact, there are many people who clown me over it. On occasion, I move up to 1200 - 1500 THB. I have even jumped up to 2000 THB to get what I want. Each time I have paid more than my base amount it has been worth every single Baht.

Now, I don't hang my hat when it it comes to Short Time on [B]Soi 6[/B] because there are so many places from which to hire prostitutes in Pattaya. But if [B]Soi 6[/B] is where you like to be, then you are not really complaining about the pussy market in Pattaya you are complaining about the pussy market on [B]Soi 6[/B]. Even the first month or two I arrived in in Pattaya I did not spend much time on [B]Soi 6[/B]. The rest of the participants in the pussy market of Pattaya do not either. Because if that was the case then the other venues they would not survive. I do not see any announcement that Top Tier Agogos are closing right and left. The are significantly more expense than [B]Soi 6[/B].

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2938272]I was offered LT 2500 from a 23 year old. But it was quiet there. I think it is going to stay relativly quiet, even in so called "high season.[/QUOTE]I am a trader. We have an expression [I]no crystal ball[/I] it means let the market tell you what it is going to do, don't guess. Let's check the numbers after the high season 2024/2025 and see how it goes.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2938272]Flight prices are brutal. You can just take the money for the ticket and use it were you live if you want to monger.[/QUOTE]Once again I cannot invalidate your opinions or experiences. But they do not align with mine. I choose to have an abundance mentality. If I need more money to pay for something I want I just earn it.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2939333]People never came to Pattaya to buy a BMW or a KIA for the price they paid back home. It was never what made Pattaya in to what it was. There is not escaping from that fact.[/QUOTE]You proffer the supposition that Pattaya has priced itself out of the market for 50% of the visitors to Pattaya. Would care to share what visitors those are?

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2939333]Few people will fly half way across the world, pay the flight, take vacation, pay for hotel+food etc and then pay what they pay back home. Doesn't work like that. That prices stood in relation to what thais themselves would pay was a critical factor.[/QUOTE]But they do and I present anecdotal evidence that they do. Just pull up YouTube and search for "Passport Bros in Pattaya". You will find a plethora of videos outlining at the benefits of vacationing in Pattaya. I will submit that the prices they find in the pussy market on [B]Soi 6[/B] and other places is far superior than the one they left on the other half of the world.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2939333]Some will keep coming, koreans [b]japs[/b] and chinese with money. Yes, I know. But a loss of 50 % of your customer base can be devastating. Or even less than 50 %.[/QUOTE]Men have money all over the world. They are grown and they will spend it how they choose regardless of your thought on it. The girls have the pussy. They will sell it at the price they choose regardless of your thoughts on it. Therein lies the crux of your problem. You cannot set the prices in the pussy market on [B]Soi 6[/B] you can only choose to pay or not to pay. Or as you have pointed out you can negotiate. But others have pointed out that they feel a difficult negotiation affects performance. I agree. I might ask a girl to accept 500 THB less on [B]Soi 6[/B]. So that means I do not even entertain offers of 2000 THB and higher because I just don't see girls on [B]Soi 6[/B] that are worth 2000 THB for Short Time there.

I have friends who used to be fans of a place close to where they live in North America. Now they choose to expend all of the expenses you outline to visit Pattaya (airline ticket, hotel costs, food costs) because they feel the experience they receive here in Pattaya is superior and represents an excellent value. Many people all over the world have the same thoughts. The world is a very big place with many different places to visit for sex tourism. The lost of one single punter (you) is not going to affect the tourist numbers one single bit.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2938272]Of course, but should it be acceptable with double or triple prices? I don't think so.[/QUOTE]It does not matter what you think is acceptable. You do not have the power to set the prices for pussy in Pattaya. There are many other market participants other than yourself. You can certainly complain about it all you like. But there is an expression about wishing into one hand and putting sand into another and seeing which one fills up first.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2939201]I was never quoted any higher than 400-500 for the upstairs room and 1500st to the girl. And I always went to the girl I thought was hottest. This was just a few weeks ago.[/QUOTE]Correct. The expensive one is the LT. If you're taking a girl upstairs at the bar the BF price is still pretty much the same from years ago because you'll be done and the girl is back working immediately.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2939203]Each bars have few good looking girls anyway, even if K-lovers could swoop them all, is it really these few girls that bring all the sales for the bar?[/QUOTE]Yes, usually the few top ones can totally give the bar the party atmosphere that draws customers in and make them spend. If you take those away the bar sales will be affected big time.

This girl used to work at Solo Club on Soi 6 last year. Her name is Noy. Then she disappeared.

I have reason to believe that she is now working at an agogo in Walking Street. I'm 99% sure.

Does anyone know which agogo she is working at?

I'm pretty sure Pin-Up and Windmill can be excluded.

In case, it is not obvious in the pictures, she is very tall. You can't miss her.

Thanks in advance.

Let me share with you that condo prices here in Pattaya are more expensive for Farangs than for Thai consumers. I looked a condo in View Talay 5. They told me that I could buy it for 2,400,000. 00 THB. I visited the condo with ATF and they told her that she could buy it for 1,700,000. 00. Should I get my panties in a knot over the difference? No that is just the way it is here in Pattaya. If I have a problem with it I simply should not buy it.

[URL]https://e.vnexpress.net/news/travel/thailand-seeks-to-protect-foreign-tourists-from-overcharging-and-rip-offs-4716906.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2939476][URL]https://e.vnexpress.net/news/travel/thailand-seeks-to-protect-foreign-tourists-from-overcharging-and-rip-offs-4716906.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Maybe you would have a point if this was not Thailand, where the government is the main entity of dual-pricing and ripoffs. Foreigners are charged exorbitantly more than Thais at national parks and attractions. Taxi drivers, vendors, and condo sellers are not in charge of those prices. The government that just told you it is wrong to rip foreigners off is in the business of ripping foreigners off.

There was also a bill in progress that foreigners should be charged 300 baht when entering the country. I am in a facebook group about dual pricing in Thailand. Here is a picture of article from 4 years ago when the government said we must let expats pay the same price as citizens since they live here too. Since that article in 2020, it has been crickets on that matter.

Visited Soi Chaiyapoon last night. It's hard to imagine, but there are quite a few new bars on the street. Lots of ladies. Some of the bars are more than 50% ladyboy.

But not many customers. I sat in a bar for an hour and saw three customers walk in.

Then I went to LK Metro and went to Paradise a Gogo. Talent was pretty thin. Some amazingly old ladies lurking about. I went with a civvie, and she found a couple of pearls among the swine.

Bottom line: right now is the best time to go to Pattaya, the ladies are fairly desperate for customers.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2939476]Let me share with you that condo prices here in Pattaya are more expensive for Farangs than for Thai consumers. I looked a condo in View Talay 5. They told me that I could buy it for 2,400,000. 00 THB. I visited the condo with ATF and they told her that she could buy it for 1,700,000. 00. Should I get my panties in a knot over the difference? No that is just the way it is here in Pattaya. If I have a problem with it I simply should not buy it.

[URL]https://e.vnexpress.net/news/travel/thailand-seeks-to-protect-foreign-tourists-from-overcharging-and-rip-offs-4716906.html[/URL][/QUOTE]I don't think any of you are wrong. I just look at the link or article that was cited it doesn't directly talk about the topic Condo prices.

If you been here long enough some many have and still are somewhat in the dark. This article and thousand like it by what the government is doing or going to do is just that articles of words to put themselves in the light as if they are actually going to do something which in the end it equals Nothing but hot air expats like myself called it " smoke and mirrors ".

The government is just too fragmented self rewarding to be an actually enforce. They do a great job of standing together for picture and stuff but once done and I've heard it from officials in Pattaya, basically see you next year then they all do their own thing. So leaders in Bangkok, Pattaya, can get up on their soap box sing that tune cause they know enough will buy it as for Thais thinking they read or see the story on the tube " they on top of it they know " This is Thailand.

Years ago the former K, on his Birthday gets up and does a speech and this guy was respected. He noted about events from articles like this spoke about Duel pricing same as the last PM when he took over in a coup how it gives a black eye to the nation and people. Has anything really changed? Their Supreme court over two years ago ruled on an Expat lawsuit duel pricing in Hospital private and public the written decision was not on right or wrong nor their own law but Expats / Foreigners are better off therefore should pay more! This type of Thai thinking runs deep reason one hears in accidents it is always the foreigner fault I once sad in with a friend in Na Jomtien station after the Thai admitted she cause the accident, no license no nothing, hear the officer say to my friend you should pay up " you have it and you will feel better ".

Article after article year after year what goes around comes around yet they are still overcharging, Taxis not using meter, this has been in the news several times this year alone. There was a case recently where even a Thai was overcharged the guy wouldn't turn on the meter he / she filmed it yet we are still in coversation.

Pattaya, article after article each week about Arabs on Beach and 2nd Road racing, films about police citing rental bikes that take 90 of parking on Beach road yet one can't still find a space.

As for condo, here I've dealt with a number of offices no one is licensed or trained there isn't a real comparison in place or protection for buyers. Years back my free time I go around looking since I also have 30 years in the real estate market back home for my family. Prices here are over inflation in my opinion not by any demand so and so got this so I'm going for it too. I remember years back I was down on Soi 6, Pussy Cat bar just taken over by nightwish group talking and buying a drink for one pleasant girl at best a 5, I ask what is your price she said 1000, I said I always paid 700 I ask her why 1000 when it is 700, cause everyone else is getting 1000.

This nonsense filter to Condos, over ten years I purchased a tiny condo right off the beach in Jomtien, nothing fancy a small development which are the best, there were lots of units for rent and for sale I did my homework if not using an agency many know the price but it is like top secret stuff. I noticed I had a better chance buying from a Thai due to the need to sell and even for the fact 51% had to be owned by Thais, many expats seller had this appreciation factor in their pricing. I first noticed the sale from this building on the board at Big see extra, I noticed a number of cards by the same lady she ended up representing a number of Thais sellers I went to the building myself asking the office shopping for a place for my brother to rent for a few months once they figure out I wasn't Thai, I started to get different prices for and when I ask how much to buy, you get the head toes treatment sign of sizing you up how much should I throw out.

A rule of thumb, most if not all these projected are funded by a bank, off the ground the developer must come up with 20% committed buyers there after the bank will lend the other 80% Reason you see old signs 6% appreciation for 3 years. You get a entry level price if you are inside the 20% then as they sell out the price goes up 2%, another 2%, so if you do your homework, patiences, ask when the complex was built and when the seller purchased his unit, then try to figure out why he / she is selling and how long on market if they are hard up might go for a bit over what they paid. That is how I got my first condo. But no article a person see or read going to mean the problem is going to be fixed, I still waiting for the last PM who claim he will fix the traffic problem in a month.

[QUOTE=Algumetu;2937908]Hi guys,

I will be in Pattaya for one week soon.

Is it worth a visit one day to Ban Chang? Are the bars there gogo style or normal bars with pool etc. ? Quality of girls?

Thanks a lot![/QUOTE]Any update abut Ban Chang situation? Thanks guys.

[QUOTE=Algumetu;2939543]Any update abut Ban Chang situation? Thanks guys.[/QUOTE]Why don't you then just go and report. ? Nothing much to lose if it doesn't suit you.

How much is the barfine at Mod's Bar in Soi 6?

I asked them. They said 3,000 Baht early plus 10 lady drinks.

1,500 Baht barfine at 9 pm plus whatever remaining drinks from the quota of 10.

So if you went at 9 pm and the girl has had 4 drinks from someone else, then you will have to buy her 6 lady drinks plus 1,500 Baht barfine fee.

Does any of this sound right?

I went to Flirt. They said 1,500 Baht barfine at 10 pm (They open an hour later at 4 pm.) No need to buy drinks. But one or two drinks would be appreciated.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2939561]Why don't you then just go and report. ? Nothing much to lose if it doesn't suit you.[/QUOTE]I will be in Pattaya just one week, not sure if it's worth spend one night there, that's why I was asking.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2939542]I remember years back I was down on Soi 6, Pussy Cat bar just taken over by nightwish group talking and buying a drink for one pleasant girl at best a 5, I ask what is your price she said 1000, I said I always paid 700 I ask her why 1000 when it is 700, cause everyone else is getting 1000.
[/QUOTE]Great post, spot on as always LBM.

Nobody can change their mindset.

Now I go in Sexy in the City and pay a drink to a 5 because I pity her.

She says she works there for 5 days, but had zero customers.

I ask how much do you ask? She says 2 K.

I say you cannot ask 2 K, that's too much.

She says that's not too much because every other girl is asking 2 K, as if every girl from the bar has the same value.

At this point I try to explain her a bit, but she thinks I'm just trying to take advantage of her. So I let her figure it out by herself but I have no doubt it will take too long and she will eventually quit before realising it.

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2939570]How much is the barfine at Mod's Bar in Soi 6?

I asked them. They said 3,000 Baht early plus 10 lady drinks.

1,500 Baht barfine at 9 pm plus whatever remaining drinks from the quota of 10.

So if you went at 9 pm and the girl has had 4 drinks from someone else, then you will have to buy her 6 lady drinks plus 1,500 Baht barfine fee.

Does any of this sound right?

I went to Flirt. They said 1,500 Baht barfine at 10 pm (They open an hour later at 4 pm.) No need to buy drinks. But one or two drinks would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Both these bars are from Nightwish. I thought all of the Nightwish bars are using the same prices for everything (room fee, price of drinks, price of LD and price of BF). That's the first time I hear some differences among some of their bars.

What you described for Flirt seems about right.

So either Mod's tried to scam you or they've got different policies. I cannot say, I've never been in this one.

To each his own, when I read reports here don't get me wrong I enjoy them greatly it is a lesson in how to properly write first and foremost. LOL at this point in my life where lots of stuff isn't a priority whenever I'm out and about I can take or leave it as it comes.

I've not a big fan of the nightwish group made it very cleared met a number of investors and his friends that are on his webpage.

Stretching their experience at places that use their page to advertise years prior to covid.

After Covid farang owners on WS took a page from his playbook drove Koreans in general who don't like to haggle with their new business plan drinks and high BF to less expensive locations like Soi 6, who now are driving the market to higher levels to many dis- satisfaction.

I was out and about Friday night with a friend from childhood of all places he flies thoudands of miles have money to burn hungry I ask what you want to eat he says Taco Bell! To each his own not bad I had 6 taco deluxe. Thereafter we hit WS, low or high season I don't pay attention any longer but lots of people we visit first XS. While walking pass Farenhelt ran nto a old showgirl from Bac, she was standing in front working her former place IIvy had closed space rented out by XS, name new club Chicks. Sad, they are human scrambling for any job she is waiting for new opening on Soi 15, New Shark LOL to open on 5th, inside XS, packed wall to wall mostly Asian Chinese from the Mandarin. As XS grows I see more farang investor quietly viewing the operation. For whatever reason I get a bit of respect a few old friends came up to say Hello, no drinks, order a draft, took a sip 20 minutes top out, unless you get a good seat tough to view girls great they have lots of girls but tough to view.

Off to Pinup, must be having a party decoration made the place look cheap, got a decent set door guy jump up said papa, tonight got.

Gun? Check my small man bag handed us off to another guy inside get Papa a good seat not baf crowded wall to wall, order a draft again I felt the lineup wasnt equal to XS, 15 minutes top out of there note when you order a draft waiters will come by and constantly check your bin to see when you arrived.

Off to Soi Potholes to see what old friends is doing next to Maggie M, always a decent time at well know Pothole Queen AMON bar surprising some not bad lookers.

GoGos in time I feel Owner / Investor will dominate basically kill.

Themselves will end up pricing themselve like the Russian clubs.

[QUOTE=Algumetu;2939543]Any update abut Ban Chang situation? Thanks guys.[/QUOTE]I was there last month. It was quiet, but there were some young spinners.

Ban Chang is the training area for ladies new to the biz.

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2939570]How much is the barfine at Mod's Bar in Soi 6?

I asked them. They said 3,000 Baht early plus 10 lady drinks.

1,500 Baht barfine at 9 pm plus whatever remaining drinks from the quota of 10.

So if you went at 9 pm and the girl has had 4 drinks from someone else, then you will have to buy her 6 lady drinks plus 1,500 Baht barfine fee.

Does any of this sound right?

I went to Flirt. They said 1,500 Baht barfine at 10 pm (They open an hour later at 4 pm.) No need to buy drinks. But one or two drinks would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]This smells like BS from someone in Mods bar. As far as I know in all the westerner owned bars in Soi 6 there is no such thing as drinks before BF.

When something like this happens ask to talk to a boss / supervisor, most of these bars on the right hand side have one.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2939641]Both these bars are from Nightwish. I thought all of the Nightwish bars are using the same prices for everything (room fee, price of drinks, price of LD and price of BF). That's the first time I hear some differences among some of their bars.

What you described for Flirt seems about right.

So either Mod's tried to scam you or they've got different policies. I cannot say, I've never been in this one.[/QUOTE]The three bars at the Second Road side of Soi 6 (3 Angels, Omega, and Mod's) felt like Little Asia.

All the customers were chain-smoking Asians who mostly came in groups. They were buying racks of shots for the girls, while playing those stupid games.

If Mod's tried to scam me, it wouldn't be the first time someone tried to do that to me in Pattaya.

Saw a decent scrap on Soi 6 last night. Place is a shit show. Looked like an American vs a Brit.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2939744]Ban Chang is the training area for ladies new to the biz.[/QUOTE]Let me clarify for the newbies before they start making side trips. "new to the biz" doesn't mean it's full of young hot 18 year olds.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2939506]Maybe you would have a point if this was not Thailand, where the government is the main entity of dual-pricing and ripoffs. Foreigners are charged exorbitantly more than Thais at national parks and attractions. Taxi drivers, vendors, and condo sellers are not in charge of those prices. The government that just told you it is wrong to rip foreigners off is in the business of ripping foreigners off.

There was also a bill in progress that foreigners should be charged 300 baht when entering the country. I am in a facebook group about dual pricing in Thailand. Here is a picture of article from 4 years ago when the government said we must let expats pay the same price as citizens since they live here too. Since that article in 2020, it has been crickets on that matter.[/QUOTE]There are museums around the world that charge different prices, I think that is fair, why? Because it is based on taxes, locals pay taxes to build and maintain them, that is their entry fee.

It is not based on race or nationality.

You are trying to mix apples and onions again but go figure.

Just like BB wrote they are doing it Japan now, why? The yen is "low", so its getting flooded with people trying to help their economy and have more value for their USD or euro.

How does Japan show their appreciation? Racist price gouging.

Its Asia go figure, the land of Hitler Nazi weddings.

[QUOTE=Intrepid123;2939805]This smells like BS from someone in Mods bar. As far as I know in all the westerner owned bars in Soi 6 there is no such thing as drinks before BF.

When something like this happens ask to talk to a boss / supervisor, most of these bars on the right hand side have one.[/QUOTE]I don't have proof. But I think it's the Thai mamasan at Mod's instructing the girls to sell at least ten lady drinks every night.

The three bars on that end (Mod's, Omega, and 3 Angels) do not have an expat manager. There is no need for one.

Like I said before, all the customers are Asian. At least 99%. They don't seem to have an Asian manager either.

I just need someone else to go to Mod's and inquire about their barfine fees.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2939858]Let me clarify for the newbies before they start making side trips. "new to the biz" doesn't mean it's full of young hot 18 year olds.[/QUOTE]The last I went, there were young spinners in the bars.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2939858]Let me clarify for the newbies before they start making side trips. "new to the biz" doesn't mean it's full of young hot 18 year olds.[/QUOTE]I will cancel my Grab.

Hello dear Friends.

I will be visiting pattaya next week. I want to enjoy fun night with WG from CIS.

Help me regarding where I can find them and charges.

TIA.

Viv.

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2939973]I don't have proof. But I think it's the Thai mamasan at Mod's instructing the girls to sell at least ten lady drinks every night.

The three bars on that end (Mod's, Omega, and 3 Angels) do not have an expat manager. There is no need for one.

Like I said before, all the customers are Asian. At least 99%. They don't seem to have an Asian manager either.

I just need someone else to go to Mod's and inquire about their barfine fees.[/QUOTE]I mean you can request to talk to someone above the mamasan, there are a few people that roam the bars to fix these problems. I bet they wouldn't be happy with that.

The same for other bar groups (for example the one from Cooters, Lalaland, Wetsix etc).

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2939570]How much is the barfine at Mod's Bar in Soi 6?

I asked them. They said 3,000 Baht early plus 10 lady drinks.

1,500 Baht barfine at 9 pm plus whatever remaining drinks from the quota of 10.

So if you went at 9 pm and the girl has had 4 drinks from someone else, then you will have to buy her 6 lady drinks plus 1,500 Baht barfine fee.

Does any of this sound right?

I went to Flirt. They said 1,500 Baht barfine at 10 pm (They open an hour later at 4 pm.) No need to buy drinks. But one or two drinks would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Aom is my good friend. The cashier / moma son of Modis bar. All the soi 6 bars in the night wish group do not have a minimum drink quota to buy the girls if you want to fuck them. Go to the ST room upstairs with no issues. 1500-2000ST plus room. If you are a handsome man, you can maybe get for 1000 with certain ladies but difficult. Long time is a different story. I don't care what anyone tells you from the board, but Long time BF at all nightwish bar on Soi 6 is 2000-2500 Baht starting from when the bar opens at 3-4 PM. The bar fine slowly drops in price until the bar closes. Every bar will slightly modify this depending on many factors. Then there is the girls's fee. Ranging from 2500 LT up. Now about mandatory drinks needing to be bought for the girl to bar fine her long time. The girl is not obligated to go with any customer LT or ST. Therefore, if they decide they want you to buy a few drinks before going LT, there is nothing you can do about it. Either do it or don't. Just realize that you will not be looked upon as a good customer if you walk in and buy one lady drink and then try to bar fine the girl LT.

I know it sucks, but if the bar does make these subtle regulations, some bars would have no girls after 9 PM, and the bar would make very little money and would close down. Then where would you go? Think about it. If you buy 1 beer at say 80-100 Baht. Then you buy one lady drink at 160 Baht. Then you bar fine the girl for lets say 500-700 Baht and take the girl out of the bar, she does not make her drink quota, her salary is reduced for her 10 day contract and the bar closes. Why? Because they pay the girl's reduced salary, and get only 1 customer drink, one lady drink, and a small bar fine with maybe 2/10 customers who bar fine. This business model won't work. The bar will be closed faster than my next bar fine will say " Cum inside me" lol.

Now, I will get the comments" You must be a bar owner" ".

"Why do you take the side of the bar owner?

I say this to those board members "so what". I don't care what you think. We are just talking simple math here and simple business sense.

My advice to anyone who complains about a bar fine being too expensive, complains about buying lady drinks and drink queens, or complains about the ST or LT fees from girls working in a bar or go go, you should just stop going to the bars and clubs. There are beach road girls, Freelancers on TF and Tinder, gents clubs, plus cheap beer bars. Just stop going to Soi 6, walking street, and LK metro and so on. Pattaya has many options for different budgets.

The problem is guys look on line and see the photos of the girls working on Soi 6 for example, fall in love with their photos, then come on these message boards and forums and get info on pricing. However, that info on pricing turns out to not be accurate. Why? Because the poster posts what he is willing to pay and passes that off as what the going rates actually are. That is creating false expectations on price for everyone else. Then you have the old timers who won't pay the new pricing no matter what. The price needs to be the same as it was 10 years ago. When you say the word inflation, you get them claiming g there is no such thing in Pattaya and everything is even cheaper than it was 10 years ago today. Thats a whole other topic of its own so I better not keep on this or Mr. E or Explorer will have a fit lol.

Conclusion. If you don't like the prices at a bar, just leave and don't go back. There are plenty of other options. For example, head to WS at 2 AM. You will find FLs in 808 that you can take for 2000-2500 LT and many are just coming off shift from soi 6 and go looking for customers.No bar fine and no lady drinks. End of story.

One thing I noticed in Pattaya, especially the expat community: they love to complain about the current state of Soi 6 - loud, shit music, more expensive, no privacy, picky ladies, drink mercenaries, barfine prices.

However, there are places (gentlemen clubs) that are exactly the opposite: good music, not too loud, cheaper, closed doors, very friendly ladies, often with a single drink you get to touch / see / finger. And these places are EMPTY. Almost every time I am one of 2-3 customers, sometimes I'm the only one. I enjoy that privacy and naughtiness, but obviously these places can't compete with Soi 6 in quality / quantity of ladies. Actually being this empty I'm surprised they can keep the few ladies that are there.

I can have good fun in both types of places, but I fail to understand why all the veteran whiners simply don't support the venues that try to keep it the old way.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2940121]I have a great time going to agogos and Soi 6 without ever bar fining a girl. I find ladies drinks to be inexpensive fun when a girl is grinding on your naked for hours on end. I do not need someone to tell me what I should and not be doing. Or how I should be enjoying myself at the venues I choose to frequent[/QUOTE]If I do not like the prices in a venue I simply do not partake in the sexual offerings. I once got clowned up in here when I said "if I go out to have fun I do not pay attention to drink prices because I want to enjoy myself. ". I think the levels of some bar fines are excessive. But even so, sometime the chemistry I share with the girls up in the venue almost makes me want to pay it. But the sobering reality is that [B]Pussy is Pussy[/B] and that once we get wherever in order to enjoy things sexually the chemistry may wear off or not be there anymore.

I have only bar fined once girl out of beer bar on Soi Treetop. We had an agreement for two times, but I get I wore her out. So after the shower I thought we were going for round two but she came out in her clothes and told me she was leaving. I told her I was only going to give her half and she agreed. She then asked for money for a taxi. Get the fuck out of here * I don't care if you have to walk home. Encounter was great over all. I had a drink with her before we left the bar. Everything was good. It was late and if I wanted to kill an hour I could have even saved the bar fine, but I wanted fuck now so I paid it.

If I listed to what some advocate about how others should conduct their affairs I would have missed out on some really good times. 90% of the time I goto Windmill I do not bar fine a girl. But EVERYTIME I go and I do mean EVERY MOTHER FUCKING TIME I have great time. I am talking off the mother fucking chain!

My advice to everyone is to do you. Explore and experience and come back here and report about it. Good bad or indifferent. Please we need more solid reporting not less. Anyone who gets their ox gored because someone does not like their favorite place needs to just man up and realize not everyone is going to like what you like or do what you do.

I find the [B]Bus Bar[/B] to be an outstanding experience for the money. If someone goes and does not like it, then reports that they did not like it, I will not be up here telling them that should not be speaking negatively of the Bus Bar. Nor trying to justify why I like it. I like it because of well [I]reasons[/I].

This is the [B]Pattaya Reports[/B] thread not the [I]night ass[/I] bar group support thread.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2940097]Aom is my good friend. The cashier / moma son of Modis bar. All the soi 6 bars in the night wish group do not have a minimum drink quota to buy the girls if you want to fuck them. Go to the ST room upstairs with no issues. 1500-2000ST plus room. If you are a handsome man, you can maybe get for 1000 with certain ladies but difficult. Long time is a different story. I don't care what anyone tells you from the board, but Long time BF at all nightwish bar on Soi 6 is 2000-2500 Baht starting from when the bar opens at 3-4 PM. The bar fine slowly drops in price until the bar closes. Every bar will slightly modify this depending on many factors. Then there is the girls's fee. Ranging from 2500 LT up. Now about mandatory drinks needing to be bought for the girl to bar fine her long time. The girl is not obligated to go with any customer LT or ST. Therefore, if they decide they want you to buy a few drinks before going LT, there is nothing you can do about it. Either do it or don't. Just realize that you will not be looked upon as a good customer if you walk in and buy one lady drink and then try to bar fine the girl LT.

I know it sucks, but if the bar does make these subtle regulations, some bars would have no girls after 9 PM, and the bar would make very little money and would close down. Then where would you go? Think about it. If you buy 1 beer at say 80-100 Baht. Then you buy one lady drink at 160 Baht. Then you bar fine the girl for lets say 500-700 Baht and take the girl out of the bar, she does not make her drink quota, her salary is reduced for her 10 day contract and the bar closes. Why? Because they pay the girl's reduced salary, and get only 1 customer drink, one lady drink, and a small bar fine with maybe 2/10 customers who bar fine. This business model won't work. The bar will be closed faster than my next bar fine will say " Cum inside me" lol.

Now, I will get the comments" You must be a bar owner" ".

"Why do you take the side of the bar owner?

I say this to those board members "so what". I don't care what you think. We are just talking simple math here and simple business sense.

My advice to anyone who complains about a bar fine being too expensive, complains about buying lady drinks and drink queens, or complains about the ST or LT fees from girls working in a bar or go go, you should just stop going to the bars and clubs. There are beach road girls, Freelancers on TF and Tinder, gents clubs, plus cheap beer bars. Just stop going to Soi 6, walking street, and LK metro and so on. Pattaya has many options for different budgets.

The problem is guys look on line and see the photos of the girls working on Soi 6 for example, fall in love with their photos, then come on these message boards and forums and get info on pricing. However, that info on pricing turns out to not be accurate. Why? Because the poster posts what he is willing to pay and passes that off as what the going rates actually are. That is creating false expectations on price for everyone else. Then you have the old timers who won't pay the new pricing no matter what. The price needs to be the same as it was 10 years ago. When you say the word inflation, you get them claiming g there is no such thing in Pattaya and everything is even cheaper than it was 10 years ago today. Thats a whole other topic of its own so I better not keep on this or Mr. E or Explorer will have a fit lol.

Conclusion. If you don't like the prices at a bar, just leave and don't go back. There are plenty of other options. For example, head to WS at 2 AM. You will find FLs in 808 that you can take for 2000-2500 LT and many are just coming off shift from soi 6 and go looking for customers.No bar fine and no lady drinks. End of story.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the clarification. Concur with if you don't like the prices. Go else where. Lots and lots of fresh or at least alive fish to fry in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Intrepid123;2940173]One thing I noticed in Pattaya, especially the expat community: they love to complain about the current state of Soi 6 - loud, shit music, more expensive, no privacy, picky ladies, drink mercenaries, barfine prices.

However, there are places (gentlemen clubs) that are exactly the opposite: good music, not too loud, cheaper, closed doors, very friendly ladies, often with a single drink you get to touch / see / finger. And these places are EMPTY. Almost every time I am one of 2-3 customers, sometimes I'm the only one. I enjoy that privacy and naughtiness, but obviously these places can't compete with Soi 6 in quality / quantity of ladies. Actually being this empty I'm surprised they can keep the few ladies that are there.

I can have good fun in both types of places, but I fail to understand why all the veteran whiners simply don't support the venues that try to keep it the old way.[/QUOTE]Don't think it is only expat complaining plus how do you know they aren't just complaining and not doing as you are saying? This can also be in regards to GoGo too?

As an expat, I agree as they say let your feet do the talking. BUT, when you live or visit it would be crazy if one writes it off completely, as for Six I speak for myself, I've pretty much written it off plus I've never been one to sit outside and drink. When I did visit I always took the girl inside like Red Point, today most are just opened not my thing. Once or twice a year with time on my hands I do visit walk up and down to see if anything has changed once doing the late afternoons and at night.

But as you noted, right now GC and for me massage are the venue I visit when it is time to let LBM out for a walk.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2940254]Don't think it is only expat complaining plus how do you know they aren't just complaining and not doing as you are saying? This can also be in regards to GoGo too?
[/QUOTE]Just saying what I can witness, GCs are usually very deserted despite all their efforts to please expats.

I don't go to gogos much, but from the few I went this year I noticed 2 types:

Type 1 - depressing: rundown venues with fat / old birds that sometimes latch onto you and won't go away even when you don't buy anything, a DJ playing insufferable remixes that aren't better than any random youtube beat, few customers that sit on a single beer and leave, with some luck you can find diamonds in the rough.

Type 2 - places rammed with ladies and customers, more expensive, barely any place to seat, 3 teams of over 30 ladies taking turns in a crammed stage, lots of ladies have silicon tits and lips, everything looks well maintained and controlled, some ladies are friendly some are more "picky". I doubt I could get any pussy in these places for under 5-6 k (including drink / BF).

Once again, the more expensive party-atmosphere place rammed with ladies clearly triumphs.

One of the things that I have noticed posting in ISG is that visitors to a particular area pretty much don't know shit.

[QUOTE=Intrepid123;2940173]One thing I noticed in Pattaya, especially the expat community: [b]they love to complain about the current state of Soi 6[/b] - loud, shit music, more expensive, no privacy, picky ladies, drink mercenaries, barfine prices.

I can have good fun in both types of places, [b]but I fail to understand why all the veteran whiners simply don't support the venues that try to keep it the old way[/b].[/QUOTE]Visitors have two factors against them. The wheels up clock is ticking and they are on the tourist economy. Now if you are a visitor and you speak Thai and you have unlimited amounts of time when you visit then I apologize. I am not speaking to you. But it has pretty much been my experience that visitor don't know shit about Pattaya. I have a set of friends that were just here. They are the ones that introduced me to Pattaya. They have been coming to Pattaya for years. They come back and ask me to show them MY Pattaya. And I did. And they really enjoyed themselves. I took them places they had simply never bothered to venture out to see.

I don't consider myself an expat. And you do not find me complaining up in here about the girl, venues and offerings that are available in Pattaya. My complaints are with the posters. And I make my opinions very clear in the [B]Rants[/B] Thread. But what I have learned during my long visit to Pattaya is that the longer I am here the more that I learn. When I first arrived I was hunting for pussy. Today I don't have enough time or dick to give it to all the girls that are offering it to me. And at my there are plenty available at my price point.

Was just chatting with a girl on Thai Friendly. From an African nation. She wanted 2000 THB. I agreed. I asked for [B]BBFS [/B]she said no; I told her then 1500 THB and I finish in your mouth. She said bye. Who gives a fuck? So many girls in Thai Friendly that will spread their legs for 1000 - 1500 THB and let me blow my splooge up in um.

Not there are mother fuckers posting up in here that are going to say girls at that price point are ugly. They say this without ever seeing the pictures of any of them. On top of that they never give information on the prices of the prostitutes they hire or post pictures. So, two middle fingers up to the appearance police. Fuck um!

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2940254]Don't think it is only expat complaining plus how do you know they aren't just complaining and not doing as you are saying? This can also be in regards to GoGo too?[/QUOTE]This is my man here. He be keeping it 100. He be keeping it so 100 mother fuckers have apoplectic fits reading his posts. His posts be so real mother fuckers lose their mind over the information he be kicking into their eye holes. When they can't handle it they be taking big shit about his use of English. WTF?!

I don't believe expats are complaining. They could give a fuck. Because they have time and knowledge on their side. I have not perspective on the [I]glory days[/I] of Pattaya. But I can tell you that [I]glory days[/I] sentimentality exists the world over. I spend extensive time in the Dominican Republic. It isn't like it was when I first arrive there. But new guys that go enjoy themselves. Who am I to rain on their parade to tell them how much better it used to be 10 years ago.

In fact, why does anyone give orders to other grown men. Personally I like it when people report their thoughts are experiences. Who am I to tell someone else how they should handle their experiences like this guy:

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002;2940244]Thanks for the clarification. Concur with if you don't like the prices. Go else where. Lots and lots of fresh or at least alive fish to fry in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]
I went to [B]Kings Club[/B]. I reported a bad experience. But any place can have a bad day. I returned and had an off the chain experience. Had I just got my panties in a knot (like some of the mother fuckers posting up in here) I would have stormed out never to return. That would have been my loss. [B]LOL![/B]. If I had listened to the advice being given I would not have had the outstanding experience I did later. Even deciding to make it a regular stop on my list.

So my thoughts are complain all you like. I simply review of the posting history of an individual will give you insight into the type of poster they are. I am the type of poster that rubs people the wrong way. [B]So they put me on ignore[/B]. To each their own. What no one has ever done is show where I have posted factually incorrect information about a venue.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2940097]Aom is my good friend. The cashier / moma son of Modis bar. All the soi 6 bars in the night wish group do not have a minimum drink quota to buy the girls if you want to fuck them. Go to the ST room upstairs with no issues. 1500-2000ST plus room. If you are a handsome man, you can maybe get for 1000 with certain ladies but difficult. Long time is a different story. I don't care what anyone tells you from the board, but Long time BF at all nightwish bar on Soi 6 is 2000-2500 Baht starting from when the bar opens at 3-4 PM. The bar fine slowly drops in price until the bar closes. Every bar will slightly modify this depending on many factors. Then there is the girls's fee. Ranging from 2500 LT up. Now about mandatory drinks needing to be bought for the girl to bar fine her long time. The girl is not obligated to go with any customer LT or ST. Therefore, if they decide they want you to buy a few drinks before going LT, there is nothing you can do about it. Either do it or don't. Just realize that you will not be looked upon as a good customer if you walk in and buy one lady drink and then try to bar fine the girl LT.

I know it sucks, but if the bar does make these subtle regulations, some bars would have no girls after 9 PM, and the bar would make very little money and would close down. Then where would you go? Think about it. If you buy 1 beer at say 80-100 Baht. Then you buy one lady drink at 160 Baht. Then you bar fine the girl for lets say 500-700 Baht and take the girl out of the bar, she does not make her drink quota, her salary is reduced for her 10 day contract and the bar closes. Why? Because they pay the girl's reduced salary, and get only 1 customer drink, one lady drink, and a small bar fine with maybe 2/10 customers who bar fine. This business model won't work. The bar will be closed faster than my next bar fine will say " Cum inside me" lol.

Now, I will get the comments" You must be a bar owner" ".

"Why do you take the side of the bar owner?

I say this to those board members "so what". I don't care what you think. We are just talking simple math here and simple business sense.

My advice to anyone who complains about a bar fine being too expensive, complains about buying lady drinks and drink queens, or complains about the ST or LT fees from girls working in a bar or go go, you should just stop going to the bars and clubs. There are beach road girls, Freelancers on TF and Tinder, gents clubs, plus cheap beer bars. Just stop going to Soi 6, walking street, and LK metro and so on. Pattaya has many options for different budgets.

The problem is guys look on line and see the photos of the girls working on Soi 6 for example, fall in love with their photos, then come on these message boards and forums and get info on pricing. However, that info on pricing turns out to not be accurate. Why? Because the poster posts what he is willing to pay and passes that off as what the going rates actually are. That is creating false expectations on price for everyone else. Then you have the old timers who won't pay the new pricing no matter what. The price needs to be the same as it was 10 years ago. When you say the word inflation, you get them claiming g there is no such thing in Pattaya and everything is even cheaper than it was 10 years ago today. Thats a whole other topic of its own so I better not keep on this or Mr. E or Explorer will have a fit lol.

Conclusion. If you don't like the prices at a bar, just leave and don't go back. There are plenty of other options. For example, head to WS at 2 AM. You will find FLs in 808 that you can take for 2000-2500 LT and many are just coming off shift from soi 6 and go looking for customers.No bar fine and no lady drinks. End of story.[/QUOTE]Aom, your good friend, is a major scammer.

You think you know everything. But you are unaware of what's truly going on because you never barfine anyone in Pattaya.

I didn't tell the whole story before. But I will tell it now. I went to Mod's Bar at around 4 pm. It was my first time there. Over a drink, I asked the girl how much the barfine is. And she said 3,000 Baht plus ten lady drinks. At 9 pm, the 3,000 Baht goes down to 1,500 Baht. I tell her that I will be back at 9 pm to barfine her longtime. She says she will wait for me. I do not know if she really meant it or not.

At 9 pm, I return to Mod's and to my surprise, the girl is standing at the front of the bar. I tell her I will pay her barfine. She then tells me that she has six drinks left, which means that I have to buy her six drinks plus pay 1,500 barfine fee. The girl says she will not drink the six lady drinks.

Can you see where this is going? I don't have a problem with buying a few drinks before a LT barfine. But this is not the same.

So I get a bill of 2,520 Baht. I did not order any drinks and no drinks were brought to the table. I expected to be charged for six 160 Baht drinks plus 1,500 Baht. But I got charged for six 170 Baht shots. Again, I did not order any shots for the girl. And no six shot drinks were brought to the table. Your good friend should have at least had the decency to charge me for six 160 Baht drinks, drinks that never existed in the first place.

Now, is this how you described it to all of us?

Your scammer friend is enforcing a ten drink quota that does not exist. She is also charging customers for drinks that were never ordered. On top of that, she is charging for drinks that were never prepared in the first place.

Does this sound like sound business practice to you?

I know what your friend is doing. This Bryan Flowers guy creates competition among his many bars. So Aom is trying to become the number one branch in terms of revenue. That will secure her job and possibly a pay raise in the future. I hear Flowers likes to fire managers at poorly performing bars.

About the girl, I don't think she is a scammer. She never complained and she never asked me for anything. But of course, she benefited a lot from the scam as well.

In case, anyone is asking why I allowed myself to be scammed. I did it in the name of investigative journalism.

The girl promised to stay until 10 am. She stayed a little longer and left at 10:30 am. I gave her 4,000 Baht as promised.

[QUOTE=Intrepid123;2940263]Just saying what I can witness, GCs are usually very deserted despite all their efforts to please expats.
Once again, the more expensive party-atmosphere place rammed with ladies clearly triumphs.[/QUOTE]As long as they cannot attract and keep young and good looking girls, they won't be able to compete with soi 6 or Gogos anytime.

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2940298]Aom, your good friend, is a major scammer.

In case, anyone is asking why I allowed myself to be scammed. I did it in the name of investigative journalism.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing that story, it was very interesting.

From what you've said (on top of the clear scam), it seems that the price of their barfine has gone up too.

It seems to be now 3000 during the day, 1500 past 9 or 10, and probably 1000 or 1200 past midnight. It used to be (a few months ago) 2500 during the day, 1250 past 9 or 10 and 800 past midnight.

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2940298]Aom, your good friend, is a major scammer.

You think you know everything. But you are unaware of what's truly going on because you never barfine anyone in Pattaya.

I didn't tell the whole story before. But I will tell it now. I went to Mod's Bar at around 4 pm. It was my first time there. Over a drink, I asked the girl how much the barfine is. And she said 3,000 Baht plus ten lady drinks. At 9 pm, the 3,000 Baht goes down to 1,500 Baht. I tell her that I will be back at 9 pm to barfine her longtime. She says she will wait for me. I do not know if she really meant it or not.

At 9 pm, I return to Mod's and to my surprise, the girl is standing at the front of the bar. I tell her I will pay her barfine. She then tells me that she has six drinks left, which means that I have to buy her six drinks plus pay 1,500 barfine fee. The girl says she will not drink the six lady drinks.

Can you see where this is going? I don't have a problem with buying a few drinks before a LT barfine. But this is not the same.

So I get a bill of 2,520 Baht. I did not order any drinks and no drinks were brought to the table. I expected to be charged for six 160 Baht drinks plus 1,500 Baht. But I got charged for six 170 Baht shots. Again, I did not order any shots for the girl. And no six shot drinks were brought to the table. Your good friend should have at least had the decency to charge me for six 160 Baht drinks, drinks that never existed in the first place.

Now, is this how you described it to all of us?

Your scammer friend is enforcing a ten drink quota that does not exist. She is also charging customers for drinks that were never ordered. On top of that, she is charging for drinks that were never prepared in the first place.

Does this sound like sound business practice to you?

I know what your friend is doing. This Bryan Flowers guy creates competition among his many bars. So Aom is trying to become the number one branch in terms of revenue. That will secure her job and possibly a pay raise in the future. I hear Flowers likes to fire managers at poorly performing bars..[/QUOTE]Why not just use Thai Friendly?

I've been here almost 3 weeks now and I've only been using TF to source my providers. I've been paying on average 1200 baht per session and the majority of them are BBFS.

I never pay for no stupid lady drinks or even regular drinks for that matter. If I want a drink I go to Tops Daily where they sell the big green bottles of Singha beer for 64 baht.

The whole concept of barfines and lady drinks is absurd.

But to each his own I suppose.

Gabacho Out.

[QUOTE=Vivphab;2940039]Hello dear Friends.

I will be visiting pattaya next week. I want to enjoy fun night with WG from CIS.

Help me regarding where I can find them and charges..[/QUOTE]Dubai. Expensive.

Stay in Pattaya from August 21 to September 08,2024. I take 25 MG of Sildenafil / day when traveling for about 1 year. Condo soi Buakhaow. Direct flight Paris Thai Airways round trip 877 € purchased several months in advance. Condo: 790 €. On-site expenses (supermarket shopping, take-away food, gogo bars, bolt motobike, songtaws, girls, etc.): 648 € on these 5 first days.

All prices below are expressed in baht.

According to my notes taken on site from day 1 to day 5. Google translate french > english.

Day 1:

Girl 1: 30 years old. The appointment I had made from Paris having her period, (she warned me at the last minute the same day, you always have to have a plan B in Pattaya), I let myself be tempted by a Thaifriendly contact. No memory of who it is on the TF site. She put pressure on me to come, she absolutely wanted it which worried me a little at first. All crazy, very determined. I just gave her the room number of the condo, she managed it all by herself and 10 minutes after my agreement on Line she was knocking on the door. Even I can't get in like that. Pretty girl, 157 cms, skin tending towards brown, well built, pretty pussy that I licked and licked. Didn't seem very motivated in bed though. Legs a little tight which I didn't find unpleasant. A 69 where I felt her teeth a little but bearable. I was hard as a bull and I didn't take long to cum in doggy style. Nice and cheerful, beautiful smile. 1000 B + 200 B tip.

Girl 2: 19 years old. Bar soi 13/1 fucked in the room above. I thought I had enough after the first girl, tiredness helping. I came doggy style. Pretty 19 year old face, I let myself be tempted despite the tiredness of the trip, after all, by her angel face, short hair. Excellent long and deep blowjob, lets herself be kissed a few licks on the pussy. Ass a little prominent but largely excused by her 19 year old body. Nice, great smile. 1000 for her and 300 for the room. Not expensive too.

Day 2:

Girl of the day: Soi Honey massage. Pretty girl 25 years old, nice curves. Turned me on just by looking at her. She recognized me but I didn't recognize her. It often happens to me not to recognize girls. All she has to do is change her hairstyle, or even her clothes and I don't recognize her anymore. No problem if I feel like it's the first time I've met her. I took her anyway (even though I've already pulled her). Other girls at the massage parlor recognized me but not me. It must also be said that I have a goldfish memory. Long and sensual deep blowjob. 1300 + 200 tip.

Day 3:

Girl of the day: 27 years old. Soi 6 towards the end. Bar and mamasan a bit crash who barked at me. . The girl I think wanted me to choose her but something was holding her back to feel comfortable (maybe the asking price). Relaxed as trust settled in. Good blowjob, nice ass and nice thighs. Not many breasts and which tended to sag but at least not silicone. Honest fuck. I came doggy style. A bit expensive though: 2000 for her and 500 for the room. Here we pay in advance, I don't usually like it but here I let it happen, in these cases I don't leave a tip. Excessive price anyway.

There is really everything on Soi 6, the prices vary from simple to double for no really apparent reason except, and still not always if she is young or not.

Day 4:

Girl of the day: Thaifriendly. Finally I did it again, I opened Thaifriendly. I called one of the profiles that seemed to match the criteria sought. You also need a quick contact number like whatsapp because I don't have a subscription. I'm not keen on bringing girls contacted by these dating tools (Thayfriendly, Pinalove, .), I was too disappointed. Photoshopped images, dated several years ago, when it's not a ladyboy that I see arriving instead of a girl. This second experience went rather well. Contact Thaifriendly at 2:15 pm, she lives not far from my condo, I ask her to send me some photos to be sure, we agree on the price (1000 baht, rather cheap) and I suggest she come take a shower in my condo to go faster. 2:45 pm we are in bed, 3:15 pm she took her departure shower. Very good deep blowjob, 69, missionary and I came doggy style. A little pompoi and the breasts a little saggy but given her age it was more than acceptable. Nice, did what I wanted. An efficient and smoothly conducted business. Price: 1000 B + 200 tip.

Day 5:

Girl 1: Normally she was supposed to come, we had made an appointment since early in the morning for 4:00 pm And then either she forgot or she was busy with another customer, obviously she wasn't there at the appointed time. She answered my reminder message at 4:40 pm Luckily I hadn't waited for her but I had still organized my afternoon for this appointment. I don't know when the next appointment will be but i am not in a hurry.

Girl 2: Last massage parlor soi Honey towards soi Buakhaow. Teen body, rather small size. Short blowjob but not bad. It hurt during penetration so she moaned what I think was pain. It wasn't unbearable but still. She tried to squeeze her thighs together. So it rather excited me, I stuck my tongue in her mouth during sex. I came in missionary because I think she wouldn't have tolerated doggy style. Original but I don't think I'll do it again. Price: 1300 B paid in advance to the mamasan so no tip at the end (my principle: if you don't trust me, too bad for you, I don't put my hand back in my pocket after).

[QUOTE=Intrepid123;2940173]However, there are places (gentlemen clubs) that are exactly the opposite: good music, not too loud, cheaper, closed doors, very friendly ladies, often with a single drink you get to touch / see / finger. And these places are EMPTY. Almost every time I am one of 2-3 customers, sometimes I'm the only one. I enjoy that privacy and naughtiness, but obviously these places can't compete with Soi 6 in quality / quantity of ladies. Actually being this empty I'm surprised they can keep the few ladies that are there.[/QUOTE]One of the main reasons I like G clubs is AC! Don't know about the rest of you but on a scorching sunny afternoon in Pattaya I prefer not to sit in an open beer bar or restaurant. I prefer to be in cool AC. When I was living full time in Pattaya I was the only person who wrote about my weekly G club runs. My friends all went to Soi 6 every single afternoon while I went to G clubs more often than to 6. They never went to G clubs partly due to laziness partly because they stereotyped G clubs as having older girls. Then I would show them a photo of my newest G club girls and their jaws dropped.

The only thing I disagree with your statement is about girl quality. G clubs had nice girls too compared to 6 but it just took a lot more legwork. As someone who lived in Pattaya for years (like Sub I never considered myself an expat) I had all the time in the world to go to G Clubs. If you're only there for a short time like 2-3 weeks you don't have that luxury. In all my G club adventures 2 girls would make it in my top 10 for best looking girls I ever met in Pattaya, one at Kinnaree and one at Carre Blanc of all places. That's saying something being a hard core gogo guy for almost a decade now.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2940351] Here we pay in advance, I don't usually like it but here I let it happen, in these cases I don't leave a tip. Excessive price anyway.[/QUOTE]Only the room and drinks must be paid in advance, you can pay the girl when you've finished.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2940352]One of the main reasons I like G clubs is AC! Don't know about the rest of you but on a scorching sunny afternoon in Pattaya I prefer not to sit in an open beer bar or restaurant. I prefer to be in cool AC. When I was living full time in Pattaya I was the only person who wrote about my weekly G club runs. My friends all went to Soi 6 every single afternoon while I went to G clubs more often than to 6. They never went to G clubs partly due to laziness partly because they stereotyped G clubs as having older girls. Then I would show them a photo of my newest G club girls and their jaws dropped.

The only thing I disagree with your statement is about girl quality. G clubs had nice girls too compared to 6 but it just took a lot more legwork. As someone who lived in Pattaya for years (like Sub I never considered myself an expat) I had all the time in the world to go to G Clubs. If you're only there for a short time like 2-3 weeks you don't have that luxury. In all my G club adventures 2 girls would make it in my top 10 for best looking girls I ever met in Pattaya, one at Kinnaree and one at Carre Blanc of all places. That's saying something being a hard core gogo guy for almost a decade now.[/QUOTE]In Pattaya Gents clubs is the best option, and second is oily massage shops. Gogo bars are just for looking and playing. Soi 6 is overwhelming, loud and hot. There is no better way to spend an afternoon than in a nice cool GC with 3 girls playing with your dick and stuffing their boobs in your face for a few ladies drinks. Then take one or two of them upstairs and get BBFSCIP for a very reasonable tip. Good Times.

Anybody know if the the Raw Shrimp Salad lady does some side business besides salads?

Asking for a friend.

I arrived at around 5 PM. My first stop was Mirror club. I found this place on Facebook and the photos of the bar looked great. Looks like an old style cigar lounge. When I arrived at the club, I was really disappointed. There were only 6 ladies working and none of them were to my liking. Nevertheless, I sat down at the bar and drank a few with the cashier. She was good fun.

Next stop was Cameltoe. Walked in and the place was packed. Can't figure out why because every lady in there seemed like they were in their 40's. One had huge tits though, but I would not fuck her with Sub Pars dick lol. Didn't stay and called another bolt.

Next stop was Maggie Mays. Walked in and I couldn't get a seat as it was rammed. I mean both sides and the bar were full of customers. There was about 25 or so ladies there working at the time. I figured it would not be like this the whole night so I went across the road to Buzzin lounge to wait it out. Had a few drinks with Trevor, Thip and another girl whose name I have forgotten. Talent was pretty average. About 3 out of the 12 girls working were doable. After about 30 minutes headed back over to Maggie Mays and found a seat at the bar. I was greeted by Gee Gee who I have been with 2 times before in a threesome plus another girl. Then a table opened up on the new side of the bar and I took it. Only sat down for about 15 minutes before I was joined by 2 other ladies. Next thing I know, I was literally being raped LOL. Curtains closed and 4 girls were going absolutely nuts. Licking ass, licking pussy, sucking my dick. It was fucking wild. After about 40 minutes of non stop action I blew my load into one girl’s mouth and she swallowed it all. Couldn't believe it. After coming up for air. I had to exit stage left back to the bar to recoup my energy and regroup. That little bit of side action cost me 4 wracks of tequila, one for each lady. Was not charged for using the curtain.

After about an hour or so of drinking at the bar, I started to get horny again. I noticed one of my regulars had just left her customer, so I invited her over for a few drinks. Ordered her one wrack of tequila and the dress comes off. Fully naked at the bar while grinding me. I couldn't take too much more of this so I took her by the hand and went upstairs. After a quick shower it was onto the bed. What came next was some fully unadulterated fucking and sucking that just blew my mind. Every position imaginable. I had just finished 1 time already so this time I was a lot slower to finish. However, I powered through and blew my second load of the night deep inside her pussy.

All I can say is Maggie Mays has always been consistently good for me. Good music, drinks reasonably priced and some really sexy and dirty ladies. Every table had action. Girls sucking cock, licking pussy and ass. Love Maggie Mays.

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2940298]Aom, your good friend, is a major scammer.

You think you know everything. But you are unaware of what's truly going on because you never barfine anyone in Pattaya.

I didn't tell the whole story before. But I will tell it now. I went to Mod's Bar at around 4 pm. It was my first time there. Over a drink, I asked the girl how much the barfine is. And she said 3,000 Baht plus ten lady drinks. At 9 pm, the 3,000 Baht goes down to 1,500 Baht. I tell her that I will be back at 9 pm to barfine her longtime. She says she will wait for me. I do not know if she really meant it or not.

At 9 pm, I return to Mod's and to my surprise, the girl is standing at the front of the bar. I tell her I will pay her barfine. She then tells me that she has six drinks left, which means that I have to buy her six drinks plus pay 1,500 barfine fee. The girl says she will not drink the six lady drinks.

Can you see where this is going? I don't have a problem with buying a few drinks before a LT barfine. But this is not the same.

So I get a bill of 2,520 Baht. I did not order any drinks and no drinks were brought to the table. I expected to be charged for six 160 Baht drinks plus 1,500 Baht. But I got charged for six 170 Baht shots. Again, I did not order any shots for the girl. And no six shot drinks were brought to the table. Your good friend should have at least had the decency to charge me for six 160 Baht drinks, drinks that never existed in the first place.

Now, is this how you described it to all of us?

Your scammer friend is enforcing a ten drink quota that does not exist. She is also charging customers for drinks that were never ordered. On top of that, she is charging for drinks that were never prepared in the first place.

Does this sound like sound business practice to you?

I know what your friend is doing. This Bryan Flowers guy creates competition among his many bars. So Aom is trying to become the number one branch in terms of revenue. That will secure her job and possibly a pay raise in the future. I hear Flowers likes to fire managers at poorly performing bars.

About the girl, I don't think she is a scammer. She never complained and she never asked me for anything. But of course, she benefited a lot from the scam as well.

In case, anyone is asking why I allowed myself to be scammed. I did it in the name of investigative journalism.

The girl promised to stay until 10 am. She stayed a little longer and left at 10:30 am. I gave her 4,000 Baht as promised.[/QUOTE]LOL. Ya she is. I told you in my other post that there is no minimum drink rule. Sorry to say but you asked for it. You got scammed real good. However you didn't lose your shirt and had a good time with the girl so who really gives a flying fuck about a few thousand baht. Glad you had fun with the girl. Dont go back there though.

About your comment about me never bar-fining anyone in Pattaya. Dont take it out me mate for you getting scammed . I have bar fined my share of girls on Soi 6 and at other places such as XS go go, Pin Up, Seduction, exotica, Boofies, Passion, Maggie Mays and the list goes on and on.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2940352]One of the main reasons I like G clubs is AC! Don't know about the rest of you but on a scorching sunny afternoon in Pattaya I prefer not to sit in an open beer bar or restaurant. I prefer to be in cool AC. When I was living full time in Pattaya I was the only person who wrote about my weekly G club runs. My friends all went to Soi 6 every single afternoon while I went to G clubs more often than to 6. They never went to G clubs partly due to laziness partly because they stereotyped G clubs as having older girls. Then I would show them a photo of my newest G club girls and their jaws dropped.

The only thing I disagree with your statement is about girl quality. G clubs had nice girls too compared to 6 but it just took a lot more legwork. As someone who lived in Pattaya for years (like Sub I never considered myself an expat) I had all the time in the world to go to G Clubs. If you're only there for a short time like 2-3 weeks you don't have that luxury. In all my G club adventures 2 girls would make it in my top 10 for best looking girls I ever met in Pattaya, one at Kinnaree and one at Carre Blanc of all places. That's saying something being a hard core gogo guy for almost a decade now.[/QUOTE]I am with you. I don't do well in heat, especially if I hit the gym earlier in the day. Probably early onset heart disease LOL, but whatever. I always felt like a camel searching for water in a desert, except the exact opposite. A drunk horny sweaty monger searching for a bar with AC in the urban jungle heat of Pattaya. One of the reasons I liked WS so much, most gogos had AC. Saphire on that side street where the burger king is had some very sexy ladies the other night.

[I]Mirror club; Cameltoe; Maggie Mays. Buzzin lounge [/I]

Saw a report that read more like bad internet porn titled: [B]Night out in Pattaya[/B].

[I]It was a tales of the dick[/I] story about a night of adventure in the venues was in italics above. Not a single mention about prices at all. Yet, I see extensive reports about the [B]Soi 6[/B] and the proper business model we should support. Maybe drink prices, room prices and girl prices were simply overlooked?

[B]Enquiring minds want to know[/B] At least I do.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2940371]In Pattaya Gents clubs is the best option, and second is oily massage shops. Gogo bars are just for looking and playing. Soi 6 is overwhelming, loud and hot. There is no better way to spend an afternoon than in a nice cool GC with 3 girls playing with your dick and stuffing their boobs in your face for a few ladies drinks. Then take one or two of them upstairs and get BBFSCIP for a very reasonable tip. Good Times.[/QUOTE]My experiences align with your and and I 100% agree with the availability of a high quality sexual experience for a very reasonable cost in the average Gentleman's Club in Pattaya, Thailand.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2940352]One of the main reasons I like G clubs is AC! Don't know about the rest of you but on a scorching sunny afternoon in Pattaya I prefer not to sit in an open beer bar or restaurant. I prefer to be in cool AC.[/QUOTE]I couldn't agree more. AC in restaurants and bars is a must for me too. Which is why I hung out at the Las Vegas bar complex on Soi Diana.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2940439]All I can say is Maggie Mays has always been consistently good for me. Good music, drinks reasonably priced and some really sexy and dirty ladies. Every table had action. Girls sucking cock, licking pussy and ass. Love Maggie Mays.[/QUOTE]I was disappointed with Maggie Mays on my 2023 trip. On my just completed trip Maggie Mays was consistently good. I meant to visit their sister Club Fate but forgot. I went to Buzzin for the first time and was disappointed they didn't seem to allow much hanky panky in the bar. They had the privacy curtains but none were in use and the girls didn't seem playful as across the street.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2940439]Next stop was Cameltoe. Walked in and the place was packed. Can't figure out why because every lady in there seemed like they were in their 40's.[/QUOTE]Probably something to do with people fancying varying things, no matter how many guys come on a site like this professing they would only fuck Miss Thailand or her stunt double.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2940342]Why not just use Thai Friendly?[/QUOTE]Because this is Pattaya my friend.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2940342]But to each his own I suppose.[/QUOTE]No need to suppose my friend. 100 percent to each their own.

We have had this discussion before privately. I like having the options. I personally have no complaints about anywhere I have visited. I have been irritated by the way I was treated in a couple of places. But it did not stop me from getting my nut.

The true beauty of Pattaya it that is allows for everyone to get everything they like at the price point they desire. I do not complain about a 1500 THB Barfine; 3000 Short Time; 5000 Long Time price structure. Or the price of Lady Drinks. I simply do not bar fine at the price point. But in the right place, a Lady Drink can get you a lot. It is entertainment.

I want to see reports about what people are doing and the prices they are paying. I am not here to tell people how they should be spending their hard earned money or who they should be fucking. Neither am I here to tell them how they should be fucking (BBFS or Condom). Nor do I have any comment about the different price points or the appearance of the prostitutes others are hiring. But I suppose if there was not all this back and forth we might actually have a thread that contained useful information on having sex with girls. And we wouldn't want that now would we. LOL!

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2940342]I've been here almost 3 weeks now and I've only been using TF to source my providers. I've been paying on average 1200 baht per session and the majority of them are BBFS.

I never pay for no stupid lady drinks or even regular drinks for that matter. If I want a drink I go to Tops Daily where they sell the big green bottles of Singha beer for 64 baht.

The whole concept of barfines and lady drinks is absurd.

But to each his own I suppose.

Gabacho Out.[/QUOTE][B]No comment. LOL![/B]

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2940330]As long as they cannot attract and keep young and good looking girls, they won't be able to compete with soi 6 or Gogos anytime.[/QUOTE]And yet they do. Because the pussy market is highly segmented. Everyone can find what they are looking for at the price point they are looking for it at.

The only people I see complaining are those who want something they are not willing to pay for. It is that simple.

[B]PRO TIP:[/B][I]If you want top of the line girls off of [b]Soi 6[/b]. Goto Soi 6 and pay for them. If you want A level agogo girls; Goto to the proper venues and pay for them. If you don't want to buy Lady Drinks then work Thai Friendly, Oilies, or Soapies.[/I].

We are hiring prostitutes here gentlemen. This is not brain surgery. It is easy. But if you got alligator arms, complaining about it up in dis ***** not going to help you one bit. Up your game and get free pussy as a PUA. But even regular girls want to go on dates. You pay for the date if you ask the girl out. So I don't see how it is possible to get away from the money aspect of this game. It is just a matter of how much you are willing to pay.

[B]How you like me now?[/B]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2940518]Because this is Pattaya my friend.

No need to suppose my friend. 100 percent to each their own.

We have had this discussion before privately. I like having the options. I personally have no complaints about anywhere I have visited. I have been irritated by the way I was treated in a couple of places. But it did not stop me from getting my nut.

The true beauty of Pattaya it that is allows for everyone to get everything they like at the price point they desire. I do not complain about a 1500 THB Barfine; 3000 Short Time; 5000 Long Time price structure. Or the price of Lady Drinks. I simply do not bar fine at the price point. But in the right place, a Lady Drink can get you a lot. It is entertainment.

I want to see reports about what people are doing and the prices they are paying. I am not here to tell people how they should be spending their hard earned money or who they should be fucking. Neither am I here to tell them how they should be fucking (BBFS or Condom). Nor do I have any comment about the different price points or the appearance of the prostitutes others are hiring. But I suppose if there was not all this back and forth we might actually have a thread that contained useful information on having sex with girls. And we wouldn't want that now would we. LOL!

[B]No comment. LOL![/B][/QUOTE]Thank you for your response brother. I agree that there is something here in Pattaya for everyone and for every budget. I also agree that perhaps the whole concept of barfines and lady drinks is not entirely absurd but rather getting charged for something that was served or consumed (such as in the case of the guy being charged for 6 lady drinks that were never even served)​ is absurd. It's like being charged for something you didn't buy.

I think we all would agree that that is a form of theft.

On the other hand if you are enjoying the ambience of a beer bar or gentlenemen's club and having a good time with a bar girl, then perhaps buying her a lady drink or two while vetting girl to see if you have good chemistry with her is not necessarily a bad idea, especially if it leads to a better session once in the room. We all worked for our money and we all should be free to decide how to spend it, whether on a buffet, or at taco bell, or even on lady drinks while becoming comfortable with your next prospect. But to be charged for something you never received is a straight swindle in my opinion.

-Gabacho Out.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2940342]Why not just use Thai Friendly?

I've been here almost 3 weeks now and I've only been using TF to source my providers. I've been paying on average 1200 baht per session and the majority of them are BBFS.

I never pay for no stupid lady drinks or even regular drinks for that matter. If I want a drink I go to Tops Daily where they sell the big green bottles of Singha beer for 64 baht.

The whole concept of barfines and lady drinks is absurd.

But to each his own I suppose.

Gabacho Out.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2940523]Up your game and get free pussy as a PUA. But even regular girls want to go on dates. You pay for the date if you ask the girl out. So I don't see how it is possible to get away from the money aspect of this game. It is just a matter of how much you are willing to pay.[/QUOTE]You can always invite the girl in instead of out. I met a chick on Thai Friendly a couple of months ago. She works at a sandwich shop in a department store. I went to her job to see her back then. She always talked about how she wanted to come over but never did. Last night she finally came over. She said she never comes because she is always so tired after work. Today she had to be at work at 6 am. She got up and left my place at 5:15 am. Unless you count the 5 baht in gas it cost me to drive to her job 2 months ago, then there was no money aspect involved. That is not to say I have a problem taking her out if she ever wants to. I am not trying to sit in the room all the time, no matter how much pussy comes through the door.

I had been talking to another Thai Friendly chick for almost 1 week. She hit me up this morning at 5 something right after the other girl left. She said she would come over after 8 when she got her son off to school. She got here at 10:30 but there was no place to park her car. I went out and got in the car with her. From the beginning I got signals that she did not like me. I told her that she could just say she did not like me and I would leave. In true Thai fashion she did not want to admit it, but never wanting to waste anyone's time, I told her good luck and got out. Thousands more where that one came from.

As soon as I walked inside, some chick that does real estate hit me up on Thai Friendly. Maybe I will be seeing her tonight if she is free.

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2940298]In case, anyone is asking why I allowed myself to be scammed. I did it in the name of investigative journalism.[/QUOTE]Nightwish bars are ruthless about letting girls go LT and many other bars are the same, once a girl leaves a bar then they are not bringing in revenue and when you lose too many girls then the bar loses customers for the rest of the night. I'm not someone that will LT very often so it does not affect me as I will find a TF girl when I want that.

What is annoying is that was that Soi 6 started as a street of bars where you could find a girl in the afternoon before Walking Street got going, while these bars have rooms on site to take a girl for a ST, more girls are becoming drink only, you sit down with a girl and buy her a drink to be social but when you decide to take her upstairs then she either says no or tells you after a few more drinks.

I have a few bars on Soi 6 that I still like (Hollywood, Fire, the traditional BJ bars and some that are not NW bars) but I have started to spend more time in the bars on Soi Buakhao, Soi Honey and Soi Pothole. It's changed a lot these past ten years.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2940523]And yet they do. Because the pussy market is highly segmented. Everyone can find what they are looking for at the price point they are looking for it at.

The only people I see complaining are those who want something they are not willing to pay for. It is that simple.

[B]PRO TIP:[/B][I]If you want top of the line girls off of [b]Soi 6[/b]. Goto Soi 6 and pay for them. If you want A level agogo girls; Goto to the proper venues and pay for them. If you don't want to buy Lady Drinks then work Thai Friendly, Oilies, or Soapies.[/I].

We are hiring prostitutes here gentlemen. This is not brain surgery. It is easy. But if you got alligator arms, complaining about it up in dis ***** not going to help you one bit. Up your game and get free pussy as a PUA. But even regular girls want to go on dates. You pay for the date if you ask the girl out. So I don't see how it is possible to get away from the money aspect of this game. It is just a matter of how much you are willing to pay.

[B]How you like me now?[/B][/QUOTE]I get your point. Being a golfer, I live by. Any golf course that I desire or have the opportunity to play is worth the money (Once). It's been rough in recent years, as green fees are becoming crazy expensive. But have yet to regret paying / playing any course.

Ladies are a bit different, as have regretted many paying / playing experiences. Along, with many regretted missed opportunities.

That's Live!

[QUOTE=Downandup;2940579]What is annoying is that was that Soi 6 started as a street of bars where you could find a girl in the afternoon before Walking Street got going, while these bars have rooms on site to take a girl for a ST, more girls are becoming drink only, you sit down with a girl and buy her a drink to be social but when you decide to take her upstairs then she either says no or tells you after a few more drinks.[/QUOTE]How is this a thing when you could have asked her about fucking before even sitting down? Or does that ruin the mood to ask a hooker about paying to fuck her before you have spent money on her? Ask questions first; be social later.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2940477]Probably something to do with people fancying varying things, no matter how many guys come on a site like this professing they would only fuck Miss Thailand or her stunt double.[/QUOTE]I had a great time drinking with some of the girls in there early 40's. They were sweet hearts and funny.

Stay in Pattaya from August 21 to September 8, 2024. I have been taking 25 MG of Sildenafil / day when traveling for about 1 year. Direct flight Paris to Bangkok round trip Thai Airways €877 purchased several months in advance. Condo soi Buakhaow: €790. On-site expenses (supermarket shopping, takeaway food, gogo bars, bolt motobike, songtaws, girls, etc.): €279 for the 3 days.

All prices below are expressed in baht.

According to my notes taken on site from day 6 to day 8 Google Translate french to english (I can't be bothered to translate).

Day 6:

Girl of the day (22 years old): Met the day before around 22:00 while passing a bar at LK Metro, she was not too expensive (1300 B for her and 400 for the bar in case of barfine). We exchanged our Lines so that she would come today and avoid the barfine. Pretty as a picture, dresses the way I like (little tank top and shorts yesterday and a tight little black dress when she came to see me. Well built, nice little ass, nice little tits, a nice little hottie. Not stupid and we didn't really need Google translate to understand each other. Had a weird protuberance on her clit but her pussy tasted good. Comes from Jomtien 50 be there and 50 be back. Also I left her 200 be tip for her travel in general. She seemed happy.

Same for LK Metro that soi 6 the prices are crazy. A girl, not great, big lips and vulgar wh*re face, in her forties asks me 3000 B while 10 meters further a 22 year old, super cute, asks me 1300 + 400 barfine. I'll have her come to my room the next day. In short, we have to be careful, some people have a bit of a tendency taking people for stupid tourists.

Day 7:

Girl of the day (36 years old): Thaifriendly. Not as good a surprise as the one I met the day I arrived. Rather ugly face and she had a destroyed belly, vulgar voice but kind and naughty. It's a bit like the counterpart of Thaifriendly, you never really know who is hiding behind the photos. But nice all the same, I still tried to be positive and give a good atmosphere. I fantasized that I was fucking the cleaning lady and it made me cum doggy style. Price 1000 B and 200 tip.

Day 8:

Girl of the day (37 years old): Massage parlor soi 13/1. Nice girl that I have known since before Covid and who I often pass by, I greet her, kiss her but I don't stop. This time I let her take me to a room on the first floor for a very sensual oil massage. As soon as I turned on my back, things got out of hand. I couldn't help but touch and caress her, she gave me a deep and gentle blowjob, lover's kisses, I have her in missionary where she came and I almost came and it ended in doggy style. Pretty girl, well built, beautiful body, beautiful MILF ass, thick but firm and which does not sag, just the way I like it. I didn't remember how much I gave her. "2000" she told me. The little kinky has a memory. But for a GFE fuck like this, honestly, it's worth it.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2940579]Nightwish bars are ruthless about letting girls go LT and many other bars are the same, once a girl leaves a bar then they are not bringing in revenue and when you lose too many girls then the bar loses customers for the rest of the night.[/QUOTE]This is what bar owners have been saying over and over (on this site too) to justify their outrageous barfines but this is not reflecting reality.

We all know that not every girl can attract customers in and make them spend. Only a handfull of girls are able to do this in each of these bars. You walk past some bars and see the same girls standing or sitting there without a customer every night because they are passive and don't want (or don't know how) to play the game. Nobody want to spend on these girls (except for the room fee maybe). So when these girls are not there, the bar loses nothing. Yet the price of the barfine is the same for each one of them. If what you described was true, the barfine should be expensive only for the girls that brings in the cash, and every others should have a lower priced barfine which is not the case.

The reason is these bar owners are greedy and there is no reason to repeat what they try to pass off as a justification.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2940560]I also agree that perhaps the whole concept of barfines and lady drinks is not entirely absurd but rather getting charged for something that was served or consumed (such as in the case of the guy being charged for 6 lady drinks that were never even served)​ is absurd. It's like being charged for something you didn't buy.[/QUOTE]That damn lady drink game is brutal. It went from paying for a real drink for the girl, to paying for a real drink but the girl drinking apple juice mixed with water, to fuck it, just give us the money and act like you bought a drink for someone.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2940657]
We all know that not every girl can attract customers in and make them spend. Only a handfull of girls are able to do this in each of these bars. You walk past some bars and see the same girls standing or sitting there without a customer every night because they are passive and don't want (or don't know how) to play the game. Nobody want to spend on these girls (except for the room fee maybe). So when these girls are not there, the bar loses nothing. Yet the price of the barfine is the same for each one of them. If what you described was true, the barfine should be expensive only for the girls that brings in the cash, and every others should have a lower priced barfine which is not the case.
[/QUOTE]Not really. Go to higher-end massage parlours, and yes, there is a difference in price for prettier (for some subjective definition of prettier) girls. It would be too ugly IMO, even for Thailand, if there was such a brutal differentiation that some girls are "too ugly" to even require a barfine, and everyone in the bar knows that. Thai girls usually know pretty well themselves where they rank on the beauty scale, so there's no need to rub it in with salt like that.

Also, while my knowledge of bargirl economics is rather outdated now, as I have no Thai friends working or running bars anymore, 10 years ago it was still the case that the girl got roughly half the barfine herself back from the bar later.

[B]As a buyer in the pussy market in Pattaya, Thailand you only choice anyone has is to change where they purchase their pussy[/B]

Complaining about the market place or the vendors in said market place is not going to change anything. But it does humor me to read about the complains of [I]greedy, bar owners[/I] when they are being pussy at 1500 THB at a time after those same [I]greedy bar owners[/I] have invested millions to THB into their operation and have payrolls to meet.

[B]Who in the fuck is making you goto Soi 6 anyway?[/B] It is not like there is no other place to enter the pussy market place in Pattaya, Thailand.

Can we get some reports on other venues in Pattaya, Thailand or does Soi 6 have a monopoly on the marketplace?

Gents and veterans.

Was wondering if there was a place where many non-thai (I. E. Viet, Cambodian, Laos, Chinese, etc.) girls and freelancers normally hang out at to be picked up. Is Beach Road the only place you'd normally find them? I'm aware some may be on ThaiFriendly, Tinder, Bumble, dating apps, and there's the escort sites too. Not sure what hotels, clubs, or locations where these girls would be. I know I'm in Thailand to get with Thai women, but I enjoy variety when I know its available.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2940715]It would be too ugly IMO, even for Thailand, if there was such a brutal differentiation that some girls are "too ugly" to even require a barfine, and everyone in the bar knows that. [/QUOTE]There's already a ranking established among the girls, it is based on their salary. The more a girl is performant, the higher her salary. Many girls can't reach their drink quota, nobody would feel hurted based on a ranking that already exist.

Secondly it is very naive to think that in a bar environnement, the management is worried to not hurt some of the girls feelings.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2940715]Also, while my knowledge of bargirl economics is rather outdated now, as I have no Thai friends working or running bars anymore, 10 years ago it was still the case that the girl got roughly half the barfine herself back from the bar later.[/QUOTE]The topic is about soi 6 bars.

As of a few months ago, the girl got 200 baht out of a 2500 baht barfine paid by the customer. That does not even make 10 percent of the amount, which equals to almost nothing in other words.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2940579]Nightwish bars are ruthless about letting girls go LT and many other bars are the same, once a girl leaves a bar then they are not bringing in revenue and when you lose too many girls then the bar loses customers for the rest of the night.
[/QUOTE]So the problem is when girls leave during bar hours. I can understand that.

But then bar and mamasan managers should be able to let girls give their Line if they want to meet customers outside of bar hours.

Why don't they? They need to get another business plan or everyone will go to Thaifriendly.

I know girls who left bars and who only work freelance thanks to networks. Why bother with a boss, impossible hours to drink alcohol and endanger their health when they can find customers whenether they want from home? As for customers, I read a lot of testimonies in this thread of customers who only go through Thaifriendly or their own network.

[QUOTE=GuyReynolds;2940800]Gents and veterans.

Was wondering if there was a place where many non-thai (I. E. Viet, Cambodian, Laos, Chinese, etc.) girls and freelancers normally hang out at to be picked up. Is Beach Road the only place you'd normally find them? I'm aware some may be on ThaiFriendly, Tinder, Bumble, dating apps, and there's the escort sites too. Not sure what hotels, clubs, or locations where these girls would be. I know I'm in Thailand to get with Thai women, but I enjoy variety when I know its available.[/QUOTE]FYI. There are a lot of Laotians and Cambodians working in the bars these days.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2941005]There are a lot of Laotians and Cambodians working in the bars these days.[/QUOTE]Which bars are the Laos girls working at?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2941033]Which bars are the Laos girls working at?[/QUOTE]They are all over. Always have been. Most foreingers will not know the difference unless they ask the girl where she is from and she tells them.

[QUOTE=GuyReynolds;2940800]Gents and veterans.

Was wondering if there was a place where many non-thai (I. E. Viet, Cambodian, Laos, Chinese, etc.) girls and freelancers normally hang out at to be picked up. Is Beach Road the only place you'd normally find them? I'm aware some may be on ThaiFriendly, Tinder, Bumble, dating apps, and there's the escort sites too. Not sure what hotels, clubs, or locations where these girls would be. I know I'm in Thailand to get with Thai women, but I enjoy variety when I know its available.[/QUOTE]There mixed in the places you have listed.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2940889]So the problem is when girls leave during bar hours. I can understand that.

But then bar and mamasan managers should be able to let girls give their Line if they want to meet customers outside of bar hours.
[/QUOTE]I always get the girls Line in the bars and no one ever stopped me from doing so. I'm not trying to do anything tricky I just want to keep track of the girl in case she is good and move bars, also good if I'm planning to come down and make sure she is there. Never had any problems with managers / mamasans.

The only problem I see (and totally agree with the bars) is when cheap charlies that are not customers try to chat the girls on the street to get their Line without spending a single baht at the bar.

If you get a specific answer to your question Banana Boi, I got the first round at the [B]Bus Bar[/B] for you my man!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2941033]Which bars are the Laos girls working at?[/QUOTE]

This girl is from Laos.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2941051]They are all over. Always have been. Most foreingers will not know the difference unless they ask the girl where she is from and she tells them.[/QUOTE]Thanks Mr. E.
I guess it's because I rarely ask a girl where she's from so I don't know these things. I only ask if they look like a Caucasian mix. I find most girls tell me where they are from.

Yes Sub. I never understand why people can't name bars on this board (not directed at you Mr. E). Saying something means nothing if you can't use that information to know where to go. Thanks Falcon for the photo. She's not how I picture a Laos girl to look.

I'll ask you guys again for specific bar names once I'm on the ground again. No use asking now if I'm not in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Intrepid123;2941089]I always get the girls Line in the bars and no one ever stopped me from doing so. I'm not trying to do anything tricky I just want to keep track of the girl in case she is good and move bars, [/QUOTE]

Only reason I ever ask for Line as well. I have no desire to message these girls on a daily basis. Girls are always shocked when I turn down their Line.

[QUOTE=Intrepid123;2941089]The only problem I see (and totally agree with the bars) is when cheap charlies that are not customers try to chat the girls on the street to get their Line without spending a single baht at the bar.[/QUOTE]The street is fair game. Besides, I walk down the street and get the contact of 10 chicks. I am not going to walk into the bars and buy 10 drinks. Maybe the girls should be trained not to give out their contact unless the person buys a drink? Barfine 1500 to 2500 baht. Damn man, leave us some form of relief to get these girls.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2941133]I never understand why people can't name bars on this board. Thanks Falcon for the photo. She's not how I picture a Laos girl to look.[/QUOTE]This girl is from Lao. I used to fuck her over 10 years ago. Do not remember if I met her in the disco or online. But I remember at the time she telling me she was working at a bar on Soi 13. Last I heard she was working on Soi Skaw Beach. I run into her every now and then. Of course I could just send a message if I wanted to see her.

I am not a bar guy, so even if I walked into a bar and got a girl or her contact, I probably would not know the name of the bar, know the name of the girl, and probably forget my own damn name.

[QUOTE=Intrepid123;2941089]The only problem I see (and totally agree with the bars) is when cheap charlies that are not customers try to chat the girls on the street to get their Line without spending a single baht at the bar.[/QUOTE]Not a matter of being a cheap charlie. The only girls I have spoken with on the street (Soi 6) are the girls that were on the street or the girls that came out of the bar to talk to me on the street.

This is a market. The bar owners do not have my interests at heart. They are on the supply side of the market. I am on the demand side of the market. It is a WAR! I want what I want at the lowest possible price. They want to sell it to me at the highest possible price.

Only in the pussy market to you have guys shilling for supply side of the market when they are on the demand side. In any and every other market they understand what is actually going on. But when it comes to pussy individuals lose their mother fucking minds over it.

Reference is made to your post where you explained to us that we could all get free pussy if we just invite the girls we contact on Thai Friendly to come over to our room:

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2941139]This girl is from Lao. I used to fuck her over 10 years ago.[/QUOTE]For free or did you pay her?

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2940857]There's already a ranking established among the girls, it is based on their salary. The more a girl is performant, the higher her salary. Many girls can't reach their drink quota, nobody would feel hurted based on a ranking that already exist.

Secondly it is very naive to think that in a bar environnement, the management is worried to not hurt some of the girls feelings.
[/QUOTE]You're perhaps right about that, but what incentive would a bar have for having girls working there if you can take them out of the bar without a barfine? Presumably if they're too ugly to require a barfine, they're too ugly to get many drinks bought for them too, so the bar would not keep them around.

Also if some girls were to not require a barfine, they'd become competition for the girls that do require a barfine. The barfines the bar makes money on. A guy might choose to go with an uglier no-barfine girl because she's an staggering 2500 baht cheaper due to no barfine, and then the bar loses that 2500 baht. So even ignoring any hurt feelings, I can't see how it would make any sense for a bar to have some girls that do not require a barfine.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2941160]I can't see how it would make any sense for a bar to have some girls that do not require a barfine.[/QUOTE]I don't give a fuck about a bar owner. I am a consumer. My job is to get the most value for my money. If a bar owner cannot figure out a system to make money with their bar the the rules of capitalism says they should go bankrupt. That space can be used by someone who understands the market better and produced profit.

[B]Why all this concern for bar owners?[/B] I don't get it. Just because others posting up in her are friends with bar owners and get special benefits, therefore they shill for bar owners. I am not one of those people. I see the motivation of those people. And I don't pay attention to what [I]those people[/I] have to say about the [B]poor bar owners[/B]. Nah, I don't give a fuck about a bar owner. Anyone who does not own a bar shouldn't either. Unless they are comfortable giving their money to a business that does not deserve it.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2941005]FYI. There are a lot of Laotians and Cambodians working in the bars these days.[/QUOTE]If you go to Soi Chaiyapoon, you would be hard-pressed to find a bar that didn't have Laotians or Cambodians. But they don't walk around with placards advertising their nationality. And they will speak Thai.

The difference between a Laotians and a girl from Isaan is like the difference between someone from South Dakota and North Dakota.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2941096]If you get a specific answer to your question Banana Boi, I got the first round at the [B]Bus Bar[/B] for you my man![/QUOTE]Hi,

Any help where we can find Uzbek girls?

TIA.

Viv.

Note that Laotian and Cambodian girls may not have Thai work permits, so outing them online may not be doing them any favors.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2941135]The street is fair game. Besides, I walk down the street and get the contact of 10 chicks. I am not going to walk into the bars and buy 10 drinks. Maybe the girls should be trained not to give out their contact unless the person buys a drink? Barfine 1500 to 2500 baht. Damn man, leave us some form of relief to get these girls.[/QUOTE]I'd much rather go upstairs and pay the room 400-500 b. If I'm not in the mood for a bar then I'd go online and hit TF.

That said I much prefer to sleep alone. No warm body to make my bed even hotter in this climate, no one to wake me up when they move, no worries about getting anything stolen, not having to wake up a reluctant bg. And on top of everything I can save myself 2500 and use that money to bang a different one next day.

[QUOTE=Vivphab;2941245]Any help where we can find Uzbek girls?[/QUOTE]Maybe in Uzbekistan ?

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2941331]Maybe in Uzbekistan ?[/QUOTE]I am expressing my heartfelt appreciation for your kind information.

It is high on sense of humour but less on common sense.

Once again Thank you.

Regards.

Viv.

[QUOTE=Vivphab;2941245]Hi,

Any help where we can find Uzbek girls?

TIA.

Viv.[/QUOTE]I've read that some hang out in the Indian discos but never been in them so can't confirm.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2941342]I've read that some hang out in the Indian discos but never been in them so can't confirm.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the information.

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2941246]The two Korean live streamers who seem to come to Soi 6 every day.[/QUOTE]I recognize the guy in the first photo from Walking Street gogo bars.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2941342]I've read that some hang out in the Indian discos but never been in them so can't confirm.[/QUOTE]I can confirm that. You would never know so many Uzbek chicks are in Pattaya until you step inside of those Indian discos.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2941148]Reference is made to your post where you explained to us that we could all get free pussy if we just invite the girls we contact on Thai Friendly to come over to our room:[/QUOTE]Not the girls, but the girls who are not hookers.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2941148]For free or did you pay her?[/QUOTE]Used to give her 1000 baht per night as all, before I moved the salary up to $1200 baht / night. Matter of fact, a chick is on the way over now.

I had a bad scare the other night. Met a chick on TF who was beautiful. I went to pick her up and she looked straight drugged the fuck out. I was wondering why she kept telling me to bring 350 baht when I come pick her up. I saw her and said no thanks and drove the fuck off. Her pictures had to be before she got on that shit.

The TF chick coming now, I did meet in person 2 nights ago. Then I left that bird in hand chasing after what turned out to be a crackhead in the Bush.

[QUOTE=Intrepid123;2941291]That said I much prefer to sleep alone. No warm body to make my bed even hotter in this climate, no one to wake me up when they move, no worries about getting anything stolen, not having to wake up a reluctant bg.[/QUOTE]I am the exact opposite. And those are things that I have never had to worry about. I have to wake up 3 times my damn self to go to the toilet. No problem with Thai chicks stealing or reluctant hookers.

I like to do my fucking right before going to sleep and when I wake up in the morning. I am too busy during the day to think about pussy. I like to have it when I am winding down. The same as my massages. My massage lady closes early and always asks why I come so late. I do not have idle time during the day to fuck and get massages.

[QUOTE=Intrepid123;2941291]Id much rather go upstairs and pay the room 400-500 b. If I'm not in the mood for a bar then I'd go online and hit TF.

That said I much prefer to sleep alone. No warm body to make my bed even hotter in this climate, no one to wake me up when they move, no worries about getting anything stolen, not having to wake up a reluctant bg. [b]And on top of everything I can save myself 2500 and use that money to bang a different one next day[/b].[/QUOTE]I'm with you brother [B]Intrepid[/B]. Feel sorry for those that have not control over their schedule like I do. If I want to goto Soi 6 in the morning when it opens I can. If I want to hit a Gentleman's Club in the afternoon I can. If I want get a massage in the morning, have lunch and then get one in the afternoon I can. If I want to start in the early evening and grab one off [B]Beach Road[/B] (and I even have regulars there) and do them in the short time room I can. [B]Feels good to be a free man![/B].

I do not want a stranger in my bed night after night. I don't even like strangers in my inner space. To the point I am considering renting or buying a fuck room so I don't have to have strangers in my space. Not a matter of worrying about theft. I just like my privacy. For me [U]Thai Friendly[/U] is for when I am being lazy and don't want to go out into the real world. If I want to fuck at 0200 I can and they are going to arrive quickly, deliver themselves to my door, provide their services and roll out. I also get pick my price point (500 - 4000 THB). [B]Holla![/B].

Like you, I never understood the need to pay my employee to sleep unless you are one of those guys that have to get their morning nut before they start the day. I have to admit, that morning nut can be a quality nut, but I prefer to do that with a regular girl that I know and I have decided to give the honor of being allowed to enter my inner circle.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2941373]I can confirm that. You would never know so many Uzbek chicks are in Pattaya until you step inside of those Indian discos.[/QUOTE]Hi Friend,

I too heard from my friend that many Uzbek, Russian and eastern europian chicks are available in pattaya but I don't know the place where we can meet these chicks.

Any information on this will be helpful.

Thanks.

Viv.

[QUOTE=Vivphab;2941486]I too heard from my friend that many Uzbek, Russian and eastern europian chicks are available in pattaya but I don't know the place where we can meet these chicks.

Any information on this will be helpful.[/QUOTE]Follow all the other Indians on Walking Street. Walk from South Pattaya Road. When you no longer see Koreans and Japanese and see 100's of Indians you know you found the right area.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2941503]Follow all the other Indians on Walking Street. Walk from South Pattaya Road. When you no longer see Koreans and Japanese and see 100's of Indians you know you found the right area.[/QUOTE]Or go Soi 16 from Second Road. There is one on the left corner at Walking Street and another being built on the right corner. Turn left or right and there are several within 100 meters in either direction.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2941376]
Used to give her 1000 baht per night as all, before I moved the salary up to $1200 baht / night.[/QUOTE]Wow, that's one hell of a salary increase Mr. E, from 1000 baht to 1200 USD. You are a good employer. Have any vacancies?

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2941519]Wow, that's one hell of a salary increase Mr. E, from 1000 baht to 1200 USD. You are a good employer. Have any vacancies?[/QUOTE]LOL. I did not do that. That was ISG's world famous auto-correct. Yesterday I wrote "hoes" and when the report posted it came out as girls.

"Damn man, leave us some form of relief to get these girls".

And remember sometimes it even posts some people's reports under other people's names.

Once again my yearly rant on perspective. Thailand is not back home. Chick from last night is a farmer from Buriram as 99% of the other chicks in Pattaya are farmers from the same region. She grows rice and sugar cane. She came to Pattaya a couple of days ago because the crop is ruined from flooding. I asked her how much she makes each year from farming. She said depends if it is a good year or bad year. I told her tell me about a good year. She said for the year she is able to grow and sell 200 tons of sugar cane and is able to earn 30,000 baht for it after expenses. I said what about the rice? She said they keep the rice to eat.

Years ago I learned a rice farmer makes about US $1200 per year which today would be 40,000 baht. So in the chick from last night's case 30,000 baht per year is 2,500 baht per month. I was thinking shit, I just pulled 30,000 out of the ATM this afternoon.

The numbers speak for themselves. Bars in Pattaya charging a barfine of what these chicks would make all month back home. It must blow some of these chicks' minds when they hear people are giving away money like this. No wonder they come running out of Esarn to Farang Holiday Land. This is exactly why I am able to get chicks Long Time for 1200 baht. When chicks are not jaded, they know 1200 baht for 1 night is actually a lot of fucking money in Thailand when they could be home getting only double that for the entire month.

Once again I like to mention a girl I met on Walking Street years ago who said if someone was to give her 10,000 baht per month, she could go home and not have to do this shit. When I dropped the girl off this afternoon at her room in Jomtien, I asked her how much she was paying for the room and she said 3,000 baht per month.

According to my notes taken on site from day 9 to day 12 Google Translate french to english (with a little correction anyway)

Day 9:

Girl of the day (30 years old): met at a Gogo bar. Beautiful plant a little thin for my standard tastes but well built all the same. I buy her a LD every time I go there, that is to say every day. Came to see me on her day off in my room around 2:30 pm Brown pussy. She had a child, honestly you wouldn't believe it. Good fuck in 30 minutes, that's more than enough. After 20 minutes of fucking everyone gets bored. 2000 be already agreed from the gogo. Nice and participative. Lives in Pattaya with her kid, she juggles between her schedule (end at 4 am) and the start and end times of school. All alone to take care of him, her mother died so no one to help her. I've already met a girl like that. This is the life of those who have no one in the village to help educate their children. Honestly, hats off to them, they are deserving and courageous. Shouldn't think that the life of bar girls is easy in general. Took me on a scooter to Tree Town.

Day 10:

Girl of the day (23 years old): Thaifriendly. All started with a stand me up, the little girl from LK Metro who told me she would come at 2 pm didn't come. I had anticipated a bit and I started looking on TF for a new plan and made 1 or 2 contacts. At 2 pm I asked one of them to come to my room right away. She told me she needed 1 hour, I said it was too much, finally I told her ok, then it rained she told me "I can't come it's raining", the rain stopped after 15 minutes she arrived at 3:15 pm, I was really hot. Cute, nice ass, nice heavy and natural breasts, very slightly destroyed belly (cesarean) but really good. Cunnilingus, 69 with fingers everywhere, missionary and finish in her very nice ass. 1100 + 100 tip. In addition to being practical, having a nice range, you can find good cheap deals on Thaifriendly. You just have to try not to make too many mistakes when choosing on the site. I'm working on my reading grid of the ads.

Day 11:

Girl of the day (30 years old): Thaifriendly. Not too complicated to go out with Thaifriendly, there are people. The whole difficulty for me is to find the right balance between making an appointment well in advance to prepare (them and me) but not too early either because otherwise there are cancellations, the little Thai girls generally having difficulty planning beyond 2 hours. Pretty 30 year old girl, keeps physically fit by doing sports and it shows, really well built, supple and firm body. I ate her pussy, she couldn't take it anymore. Then 69 (so pussy devoured again), missionary and happy ending in doggy style. 1000 + 200 tips. I think that for the quality it's really a good price. Offered me to come in fine lingerie next time.

Day 12:

Girl of the day (24 years old): Thaifriendly. Another 2 appointments with Thayfriendly made the day before that failed. In addition they don't even warn that they won't come. I don't care if they don't come but at least they should warn ! I had to make another appointment at the last minute. Fortunately I was able to with Thaifriendly. Thaifriendly is my new friend, I love it, it's normal love is always like that at the beginning. That's also how I will use him from now on, for an appointment within 2 hours maximum. No need to waste time planning even just 24 hours in advance. It's not easy for me because I'm someone who likes to plan ahead. I'm learning how to use it, I'm still in the running-in period but it's a nice little machine anyway. Pretty girl contacted at 1:15 pm, at 2 pm She was at my place. Quite tall (170 cms) at least for me, curves but not big, exactly how I like it. Very pretty face. She had 2 of tension but I liked her little cries when I ate her pussy. Classic: 69, missionary, nice hips and ass seen from doggy style. 1000 + 200 tip.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2941570]Another 2 appointments with Thayfriendly made the day before that failed. In addition they don't even warn that they won't come. I don't care if they don't come but at least they should warn ! I had to make another appointment at the last minute. [/QUOTE]I keep telling you guys that fucking with these chicks is like herding cats. And some guys want to make plans with them to go on boats and shit. Only when they are right in front of your face and you plan to go at that very moment.

You see first hand why trying to arrange chicks before you are boots on the ground is a waste of time. Arrangements made 1 day ahead of time do not even work.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2941583]You see first hand why trying to arrange chicks before you are boots on the ground is a waste of time. Arrangements made 1 day ahead of time do not even work.[/QUOTE]Even 5 hours advanced booking of a hooker is too much. Suppose it's noon and you schedule for 5 pm, she will inevitably have another customer call and want 4 pm so she will try to reschedule you or maybe just ghost you. I now set these up just 1 or 2 hours before I want her to walk through the door.

About the only prep you can do is add the appealing girls to your TF favorites list.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2941533]
Years ago I learned a rice farmer makes about US $1200 per year which today would be 40,000 baht. So in the chick from last night's case 30,000 baht per year is 2,500 baht per month. I was thinking shit, I just pulled 30,000 out of the ATM this afternoon.[/QUOTE]The first time I came to Thailand, about 20 years ago, I barfined a girl from an agogo in Soi Cowboy. She said she was hungry so on the way to my hotel I bought some food and drinks for the both of us from a food cart, somewhere along Sukhumvit Road. I had to pay something like 60 or 70 baht IIRC.
When she heard that her jaw dropped, and she looked astonished. She told me that in her hometown, somewhere far north in Isan, she would have to pay only 6 or 7 baht for the same food and drinks.

[B]Does not matter what a girl makes farming in Buriram[/B] Has absolutely nothing to do with the pussy market in Pattaya. She is not farming in Buriram when she comers to Pattaya and therefore the market for earnings changes. Those who understand markets do not make such asinine comparisons.

She is a prostituting herself in Pattaya. The market for prostitues is different than the one from farmers. Add to the fact that the location is different and anyone making that analogy has failed to compare apples to apples and oranges to origins. The proper comparison is how much money she would make if she prostituted herself in Buriram.

This is why wage slaves usually continue to be wage slaves. Because they do not understand capital markets, investment of capital, overhead expenses and salaries. They have never had to make a payroll. They have never live without the teat of the employer in their mouth every week, two weeks or month.

It makes absolutely zero sense to expect a farmer to come to Pattaya to prostitute herself for the same money she makes in Buriram. There is a difference between perception and perspective. Someone can provide a narrow perception of the situation that completely misses the true perspective in the bigger picture. I have shown beyond a reasonable doubt the perception that girl who is a [U]Farmer[/U] in Buriram should be paid the same as [U]Prostitute[/U] in Pattaya. This perspective is in error and I have provided the true perception.

Here is an example that should hit home: I was just at the food court right next to the Bus Bar. I paid 100 THB for French Fries. I could have paid 50 THB for the same French Fries in Jomtien where I stay on occasion. Same exact good. [B]What justifies the price difference?[/B] Those who understand business immediately know. For those who do not I will leave it for them to figure out. A little homework to increase knowledge never hurt anyone.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2941342]I've read that some hang out in the Indian discos but never been in them so can't confirm.[/QUOTE]As an Indian who's been to a couple of these Indian discos, can confirm!

Was there in mid August this year, and picked up one Uzbek girl for 3500 LT.

Soon on my way to Pattaya.

How is the situation with the Russian girls at the strip joint? I was working my ass off to get one of the girls for ST 10 years ago... Is it still possible? And what is price now?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2941503]Follow all the other Indians on Walking Street. Walk from South Pattaya Road. When you no longer see Koreans and Japanese and see 100's of Indians you know you found the right area.[/QUOTE]

Been making appointments with girls from [B]Thai Friendly[/B] for over a year now. Only had one not show up. Let me repeat that: [B]I have only had one girl from [b]Thai Friendly[/b] not show up![/B].

Just finished out 10 days in Thailand. Spent 5 days in Bangkok and 5 in Pattaya. Hoping this detailed report will be useful to others traveling out this way. I'm posting in both the Bangkok and Pattaya threads.

Just by way of quick background, I'm from NYC and frequent a lot of the agencies there that have young Japanese girls working, so that was sorta my reference point for this trip. Now that I've mongered abroad, I'm starting to realize how good we have it in NYC as far as quality and service goes, although it is expensive. My report on the 10 days spent in Thailand is as follows:

Bangkok:

La belle: Tried this place on my last day as I wanted to experience one of Bangkok's famous "entertainment complexes". The place is basically a hotel but for hookers and massage LOL. Big lobby when you walk in where customers can sit and drink. Girls are up on a stage and seated near the bar as well. Every girl had a different ranking / price with the lower end being about $3 k baht for 90 minutes while upper end was 6-8 k. Most of the pricier girls had a more East Asian look with pale skin, and a few that I talked to said they were in fact mixed Thai / Chinese. I ended up doing a double here for under 10 k baht. Fun times but I do think you will find younger, cuter and less seasoned girls working at the gogo bars. You will also be able to get extras at the gogos like BBFS and video if that's your thing. I doubt these upgrades are on the table at soapy massage joints. I will also note that they don't have air mats at La Belle, which sorta sucks. You will get a nice soapy massage in the tub but they can't really do nuru. Still, this place was an experience, had around 30 girls available when I went during the afternoon, and there was way less BS to deal with compared to gogo. Good prices too.

Dozo Massage: Went here on my first day and I was so exhausted from the 20 hour flight I almost fell asleep during the mat play LOL. Similar experience to La belle but fewer girls and smaller venue. Not very GFE but the Mat play and nuru were pretty good, think I spent about it 6-8 k for 60 minutes. Tried to come back here on my last night but they only had 3 girls available so I bailed. I would recommend the place. Girls were hot and the soapy massage plus mat play was pretty damn good. But I think you're better off going early in the day. Seemed kinda dead when I went at night. During my first visit I went in the afternoon and they gave me a lineup of maybe 6-7 girls.

Aya Massage: This place was good bang for buck. Did 60 minutes nuru with a fairly hot girl, probably late 20's early 30's. Price was quite low at just 5 k baht for nuru and VIP room. Not my most memorable experience and again, no air mat for nuru. But if you're looking for some low cost fun, it's a good option. They gave me a lineup of at least 20 girls. A few of their girls were hot and young, some less so. It's a mid tier spot.

Kings Castle 1: Best gogo bar I went to in PatPong. I never would have found this spot on my own. But I was fortunate enough to meet another American at one of the gogo bars who had spent 6 months living in Bangkok. He took me to patpong one night and we ended up at this place. They have hot young girls and I took home a gem. One of my favorite girls of the trip. Young, slim and cute with braces, no tattoos, perfect tits and a tight ass. Wanted her to stay for overnight but she had class in the AM haha. Paid 5 k for ST plus 2 k tip to creampie her.

Baccara: The only place on Soi Cowboy that I found was worth my time. My newfound expat buddy mentioned above introduced me to the place during my first or second night in Bangkok. They had some hot young girls working, but overall I found quality was much better in Nana Plaza. The main thing I liked about Baccara was it had a good vibe. All girls wore short skirts without panties and the bar right in front of the stage was a mirror hehe. Also, if you're on the first floor and look up, you can see through the stage on the second floor where more girls are dancing. Just tons of good upskirt action (seemed to be the theme at this place) and pretty fun putting these no panty girls on your lap after buying them a drink. Some girls will let you get a nice handful of bare ass and pussy LOL. The management was pretty chill too and wouldn't squeeze too hard on drinks.

Private 69: Smaller place on Nana plazas second floor but it had some hot young girls. I found a real gem here who I did long time with. Cost for long time was 8 k total including drinks. We vibed well and she was a hot young mixed Chinese / Thai girl, so I brought her along with me for part of the vacation. Banged her at least 5 times.

Rainbow 5: this was the bar where I met that other American and he told me that Rainbow 5 is the best spot in Nana. It just might be. ST barfine 5 k total and girls were young and hot. Long time was maybe around 8 k. Most of the clientele here was Asian and that's how you know the pussy is good. It's the same at the NYC agencies haha. I was one of the few white guys in that bar.

Billboard: I brought a pretty fun young girl home from here on the first night. Honestly forget what the barfine was, I want to say it was around 5 k for ST. Quality seemed pretty good overall. But when I went back later in the trip I didn't see many girls that caught my eye. Not enough college cuties here for my taste haha.

Shark / Afterskool: Located in soi cowboy, both places were duds for me. One of them (I forget which) really fucking annoyed me because they had cute young girls out front and on the stage but you couldn't barfine any of them. I bought drinks for 2 or 3 different girls before I was told you can't barfine any girls whose number started with a 5. Well, all the hot young girls had a number that started with 5 LOL. I told the two girls I was drinking with that the place was a waste of time, then paid my tab and walked the F out. Before I left they tried to show me one of the girls you could barfine and well. Not good LOL. Hard pass.

Pattaya:

Pinup: Probably the best bar on walking street in terms of quality of girls. Many cute young college girls. However they will milk the ever living shit out of you on drinks and the barfine is high. ST here was around 7 k all in and long time was slightly over 10 k. Compare that to Bangkok where the going rate is 4-5 k for short and 7. 5 for long. They also have some bullshit rule where if you want to barfine a girl, you need to buy an additional 5 drinks, so add another 1,000 baht. I recall I barfined a girl here and bought the 5 drinks for her so we could leave. She didn't even drink them. If you want to feel out a few different ladies, you will drop an easy 1. 5 k on drinks here. They also have different prices for different girls with some being assigned "model" designation and given a higher rate.

XS: Comparable quality to Pin up. I barfined some young hotties from here. Price slightly lower than Pin up and the vibe was a bit better too. Think I took home 2 or 3 girls from this bar. They had the same BS rule about buying 5 drinks before you barfined the girl. I told MMS to her face that "you guys really milk the tourist money here in Pattaya. " She got all pissy with me over that and told me to go back to Bangkok LOL. I did still buy the 5 drinks for the girl I wanted to barfine. She downed 5 tequilas then puked when I brought her back to my hotel. Thanks MMS. Stupid fucking rule. Just greedy BS. Anyways, moving on.

Opium: Pretty good but a rung below XS and pinup in terms of quality. I brought home one girl from this place and she was hot but attitude / service wasn't great. Mid to late 20's Chinese looking chick.

LK Metro area: I went here one night and it wasn't good. Girls weren't very hot and clearly older. Many bars had girls who were topeless or fully nude, which was nice. However, the hottest and youngest girls never go topless let alone fully nude. I bailed on LK after I walked the street and popped into a few different bars. Found the quality on walking street to be much better. Even the soi 6 cheapie girls looked better than most of the LK metro ladies. I'the heard that it was a hot spot, so maybe I just had bad timing.

Soi 6: I walked this street 2-3 times and checked out a few bars I can't rember the name of, but didn't fuck any girls here. Prices were very low compared to walking street. Girls would do ST for just 1,500 baht, others were asking for closer to 4 K. Quality was lower here IMO and girls were more high volume. It's also more of an incall experience since you just take them upstairs to fuck, rather than going back to your hotel. Not really my thing and I'the rather pay a bit more for the high end stuff. Still a fun experience just to walk the street and have the girls grab at you though.

General thoughts:

I liked Bangkok more than Pattaya. There's more to do there besides just mongering and the food is better. But also girls are just as hot IMO. Prices are much fairer, as Pattaya is upcharging hard for tourists on walking street. Not only are Bangkok prices better and girls just as good, but the bars are chiller and don't milk as hard in drinks. Pattaya also has some bullshit rule where if you want to pull a girl off the stage, you need to buy her 5 drinks. Otherwise you wait for her to finish dancing, which can take 15 minutes. This wasted a lot of time IMO and I didn't like having to sit around waiting. What I started doing in Pattaya just to move shit along was I would pick two girls at a time and buy both drinks. Then if neither were good, get another two when there was a new rotation. Feel out both girls and maybe one was good enough for barfine. Bangkok bars on the other hand let you pull the girl (or girls) you wanted right off stage with no wait time. This felt more organic IMO and meant less time was wasted. If I returned to Thailand one day, idk that I'd go to Pattaya again. Probably Bangkok and Phuket.

Prices were a bit higher than I expected. Don't get me wrong, it's still cheaper than the USA But it's not quite the cheap pussy paradise people make it out to be. Maybe it was 10 years ago, but no longer. I probably paid about 7 k baht all in on average to barfine chicks for ST. That's not much cheaper than NYC girls. Plus you've got hotel and airfare to pay. You can fuck Japanese college girls in Manhattan for about $240 for 30 minutes, so at a certain point coming to Thailand for mongering doesn't make a ton of sense when you factor in time, convenience and other expenses on top of 5-7 k baht ST barfine. The Japanese girls in NY are also just higher quality overall IMO. Obviously it's an experience to come here, but just food for thought. I'm glad I came when I did because in another 10 years it really may not make much sense anymore in terms of cost.

I liked the gogo bar system, but it's not perfect. I am on the younger side and in decent shape, so was able to barfine most of the girls I wanted. I did run into a few of the so called "coyotes" who are basically the very hot and very young girls (the type I was after) who just don't do barfine and instead will milk customers for drinks. My first few days in Bangkok I loved the gogo bars and thought they were fun as shit. But towards the end of the trip I started to grow tired of the mating ritual and my luck started to run out. I found most of the best bar girls early on in my trip. I also ran into some trouble towards the end because I had barfined many girls from the same bars, and the girls there clearly starting to know me and talk about me amongst each other. While I don't really give a shit if the girls talk, I felt this made it harder to barfine new girls at a certain point. The girls and the management have remarkably good memories at these places, and they are watching you closely. One girl I bought a drink for at Private 69 remembered seeing me in there a week prior, remembered which girl I had barfined and even remembered where I had sat. I had never met this girl until I bought her drink, but apparently she knew me. No issues like this at the soapy massage places, it was a more straightforward service there. I didn't play with any freelancers during my trip but I imagine it's more straightforward with those ladies as well.

I will also say I noticed that a lot of guys seemed to go to these gogo bars to just drink and hang out. My approach was very different. I was not going to gogo bars to hang out, I was going to barfine hot young girls. I would get bored after hanging out there for more than 40 minutes. Most of the girls don't really even dance on stage so it's not that entertaining. If I didn't see girls I wanted to fuck, I would leave immediately and go to another bar. I was like a man on a mission and was trying to move fast so I could potentially fuck two girls a night. This was harder in Pattaya since they forced you to sit around and wait for the girls to get off stage. I would also change girls real fast if I bought them drinks and didn't like their vibe or their look. I do think that my overall approach rubbed the girls and the staff the wrong way on a few occasions, and maybe gogos weren't a great fit for my style. Maybe they are just used to customers who like to waste time and spend money on overpriced drinks. I don't even drink alcohol BTW, which they occasionally teased me over. Again I really was just there for the pussy LOL.

Hotels:

Bangkok I stayed at S15 and The Landmark. I would recommend both. S15 a bit cheaper with good central location in between Nana and cowboy. Landmark was much fancier and right next to nana plaza.

Pattaya I stayed at Aya boutique hotel. It was good for bringing girls back since it's so close to walking street, but the hotel wasn't very nice. It looked better online IMO. Also did a night at the Arbour hotel which was much nicer, but sorta far from the action. Can't really recommend either.

All hotels were girl friendly.

Overall a fun trip and I would potentially go back one day. Enjoyed the pussy and the food was pretty good too. Cheers guys. Sorry for the long post!

[QUOTE=James006;2941706]How is the situation with the Russian girls at the strip joint? I was working my ass off to get one of the girls for ST 10 years ago... Is it still possible? And what is price now?[/QUOTE]I think other people that have gone to those ripoff places report they want 10,000 baht.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2941206]If you go to Soi Chaiyapoon, you would be hard-pressed to find a bar that didn't have Laotians or Cambodians. But they don't walk around with placards advertising their nationality. And they will speak Thai.

The difference between a Laotians and a girl from Isaan is like the difference between someone from South Dakota and North Dakota.[/QUOTE]Here is a Laos bone from Thai Friendly. Last night there was also a Filipina chick on there talking about she is in town freelancing but she charges more than Thai hookers. Do not know what her price was but it is not like I have not been to PI 1 million times, so she is no delicacy for me. If she comes here, she is getting the same payment as the locals.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2941174]I don't give a fuck about a bar owner. I am a consumer. My job is to get the most value for my money. If a bar owner cannot figure out a system to make money with their bar the the rules of capitalism says they should go bankrupt. That space can be used by someone who understands the market better and produced profit.

[B]Why all this concern for bar owners?[/B] I don't get it. Just because others posting up in her are friends with bar owners and get special benefits, therefore they shill for bar owners. I am not one of those people. I see the motivation of those people. And I don't pay attention to what [I]those people[/I] have to say about the [B]poor bar owners[/B]. Nah, I don't give a fuck about a bar owner. Anyone who does not own a bar shouldn't either. Unless they are comfortable giving their money to a business that does not deserve it.[/QUOTE] I have decided to reply to all your posts about be and the ones indirectly all in one shot. After which, I won't comment again and will just continue posting my reports. Nobody here really cares about a bar owner. either. People are only saying that if a customer complains about the bar fine, complains about buying lady drinks, then it's common sense that they will not go to that bar. Then, said bar will not have customers and close. If any bar in Pattaya does not sell drinks, they will go broke and close. Bars have many different revenue streams in Pattaya as follows:

1. Customer drinks.

2. Lady drinks.

3. Short time room for customers inside the bar.

4 Bar fine for the customer to take the lady outside the bar. ST and LT.

Eliminate 2 and 4 and the bar will close. There is no girly bar that can pay rent, salary for every girl, a salary for a manager, commission for the agency to find the ladies to work in the bar, and drink commissions or bonus's for the girls if 2 and 4 are eliminated. Then on top of all that, you want to take the girl out of the bar before 9 PM and only pay a 500 baht bar fine. Then you will see Soi 6 bars at midnight with no girls. This business model just does not work. Them what?

No more bars on soi 6 for us.

Conclusion? The type of customers need to be balanced. That way the bar makes money, the girls make money and all the customers are happy. How to keep every customer happy? Bring the bar fine down to 1000 baht right across the board no matter what time it is. Make sure the managers don't make their own rules, such as a minimum lady drink order if you want to bar fine LT. It would be much better to just say, no girls can bar fine LT.

As for that guy that got scammed at MOD bar, I don't condone that, but if none of the girls are making their drink quotas, they need to stay in the bar. Therefore, the girls and the managers pretend there is a minimum lady drink order required for all LT bar fines. Or the lady will quote a very high LT rate. It's the game. They do it because they don't really want to go or the bar does not want them to go. However, it would be much better if they said just a simple 'no" I can't go because I need to make my drink quota first. End of story. Then the customer can decide if they will buy the drinks or just walk away. Now, back to that guy. He fell for their game at Mod's bar. Did he lose his shirt? No. Was the scam so outrageous that it deserved the response that he gave? No it was not. However, that's my opinion. His and yours are different. So be it! We have all been there at one point in time or another. In the past, I was scammed into buying lady drinks and then told by the girl she only works for drinks. After that, I ask every time if they bar fine. Then no period stories and so on. If I forget to ask, it's my own fault, not the bar.

End of story.

In Pattaya, we will always have the guys who pay more and the guys who pay less, In reality, it should all balance out in the end. My two cents worth.

ON a side note, you really need to relax mate. When we give our opinions on here, such as beach road girls are all crack hoes, it's our opinion. I will never go with a beach road girl or fuck one, even with your dick. Thats just me. If you want to go, that's your business. I won't. Do I care that you will go? No!. But I am free to say why I won't go and I am free to warn others just like you are free to say that you feel these beach road girls are ok. I have clients who have been royally fucked over by these girls. Therefore, I am not just blowing smoke. Anyways, I humbly request you not to be so antagonistic in your reports. I do love your reports though once I weed out the other nonsense.

About my reports, I don't focus on the price. Why? Because we all know where that leads right. I focus on the quality of service and the talent. I may or may not mention what I paid. I focus on my strategy. Then the guys can gauge the ladies and the bar based on experience and whether or not the girls give good service and what type of service is available and if they are hot or not.

Now, If you decide to copy and paste bits and pieces of what I say and quote me out of context, so be it. I really don't care. I will continue to report in my own way just as you will probably continue to report in your own way. However, know this. It's not a competition. Some guys will appreciate our reports and some will skip over them.

Just like Pattaya has many options for everyone, so does this forum.

Peace out.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2941570] Another 2 appointments with Thayfriendly made the day before that failed. In addition they don't even warn that they won't come. I don't care if they don't come but at least they should warn ! [/QUOTE]My perspective on Pattaya FLs not showing up for an appointment. If you make an appointment in advance of the day, consider it tentative until you confirm the day of. Better yet, get on TF the morning of and contact your short list of girls. The first one that agrees to meet is your target. Wait! You need a back up. Wait! What if you schedule one in and a better one confirms after? Wait! What if the night before you have a great time with your LT over night and decide it's better to keep her then go with your appointment? Wait! What if you meet a farm fresh newbie working part time at 7/11 that you can fuck for free? Then what do you do with your scheduled appointment? Wait! What if your scheduled girl met another punter the night before that wants to keep her for the week for 25 K baht?

I think you get the point right. In Pattaya, don't plan anything! Go with the flow. Sometimes plans work out and sometimes they don't. Just like Sub, I too have never had a lady cancel on me. Why? Because I don't make any plans. I log onto Thai Friendly with my premium account or dive into to my 1000 and growing Thai lady line ID collection, choose a girl, make the plan to come to my condo immediately meaning as soon as we finish chatting she comes right over and that's it.

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2941246]The two Korean live streamers who seem to come to Soi 6 every day.

Useless parasites who think they are important because pretty girls pay attention to them.

One day, I will grab their camera and start running. They won't be able to catch me.[/QUOTE]Look on the bright side. While they are in the bar buying drinks, they aren't walking up and down the soi filming everyone. The girl on the left is a little fire cracker though. She was just my style too when I fucked her 6 months ago.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2941033]Which bars are the Laos girls working at?[/QUOTE]The Laos girls mostly work in Soi 6. Why? Because it is very easy for them to blend in. You probably have seen many on the 6, but didn't realize it because you thought they were Thai. I have been here for 15 years and I can normally tell the difference in their look and accent when they speak. You will also find them on TF as well. Some may say Laos right on their profiles, but most won't. Why? Because many are on overstay or they are working illegally. I myself have a long list of Laos girls in my mongering line. Yes, I actually have a line completely designated for mongering separate from my work line and personal line. Then I have another message thread where I send their contacts to myself and add and delete and replace them from my mongering line from there. I am up to about 200 or so Laos girls out of the 1000 plus line contacts I have from over the years. Some ideas for you that have always worked for me are as follows:

1. Hidden amongst the Thai girls in Soi 6. Some bars have 50% Laos girls, but you will never know unless you press it. They will lie to you, as they are working illegally.

2. TF in Pattaya or BKK.

3. Laos girl use WeChat so look in the people nearby feature and there country of origin is actually listed on their profile. I find many like this.

4. They go to the clubs on WS if they are legal.

5. Many are woking in Myth bar complex mixed in with the Thai girls, same as in Soi 6.

6. They work in the street food markets serving food because they get their MOU from the shop owner. Pick them up there and take them out after work.

7. Many work in salons and nail shops. Same as above number 6.

8. Tinder in Bangkok or Pattaya.

9. Tinder passport to Vientiane Laos as they often show a location in Laos, even when they are in Thailand. Or they will be coming soon, so you can make the plan with them.

10. TF search in Vientiane Laos as they often show a location in Laos, even when they are in Thailand. Or they will be coming soon so you can make a plan to meet them in TH.

Why do I know this? I love Laos girls. I go to Laos every chance I get. Why do I love these girls? They appreciate everything you give them and never complain. They never insist on condoms with me. They generally have whiter skin, which is what I prefer. Believe it or not with all the mongering I do, I also have a live in Laos GF that works in a nail salon who is 22. I am 54. She sleeps at work above the shop and only comes home on her days off. Get the point?

Hope this helps mate.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2941376]Not the girls, but the girls who are not hookers.

Used to give her 1000 baht per night as all, before I moved the salary up to $1200 baht / night. Matter of fact, a chick is on the way over now.

I had a bad scare the other night. Met a chick on TF who was beautiful. I went to pick her up and she looked straight drugged the fuck out. I was wondering why she kept telling me to bring 350 baht when I come pick her up. I saw her and said no thanks and drove the fuck off. Her pictures had to be before she got on that shit.

The TF chick coming now, I did meet in person 2 nights ago. Then I left that bird in hand chasing after what turned out to be a crackhead in the Bush.[/QUOTE]Salary increase? Good to know for other girls if they're reading ISG that such possibilities exist, I guess. Will motivate them to go that extra mile.

From bird in the hand to chasing a crackhead in the Bush. I had to literary LOL at that one.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2941823]Nobody here really cares about a bar owner. either. [/QUOTE]Good to hear.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2941823]As for that guy that got scammed at MOD bar, I don't condone that, [/QUOTE]Good to hear.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2941823]In the past, I was scammed into buying lady drinks and then told by the girl she only works for drinks. After that, I ask every time if they bar fine. [/QUOTE]High quality information gleaned from experience. Thank you for sharing.

The only time I have been a little irritated by [I]Lady Drink[/I] bill is when I went to the [B]Kit Kat Lounge[/B] in Jomtien. Had a lady sit down with me that didn't want to goto the room because of her period. [B]STRIKE ONE![/B] Then had another lady sit down and didn't want to goto the room because she had an appointment on the way. [B]STRIKE TWO[/B]. So I told the girl, I was pissed. She told me to wait she would find a girl that would goto the room. She came back with a girl that met my approval and they sat next to me and did the the clothed threesome thing on the couch both grinding and kissing on me until I could not stand it anymore so I took my girl up to the room. So, I was irritated. But it did not keep me from getting my nut. I still got out of there for less than 2000 THB. And the girl commented on my size. She said it was good. Don't hate on the [I]you know what[/I] gentleman.

Never wrote it up. I don't like writing about my experiences here in [B]Pattaya Reports[/B] because quality information gets lost in the general back and forth nonsense and personal vendettas.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2941823]In Pattaya, we will always have
the guys who pay more and the guys who pay less, In reality, it should all balance out in the end. My two cents worth.[/QUOTE]My opinion is that when posting about prices here in Pattaya or anywhere else in ISG comments directed at the individual posting the information because of price itself are inappropriate. This is different from advising people on the range of amounts someone has experience paying for something in a particular venue. [B]My two THB worth![/B].

Day 13 :

The first question I ask now, and no matter where, after saying "Hello" and juste before to ask "how much ? " is "you boom boom ? " with a smile of course. They understand perfectly the meaning of the question. It may be a bit direct but we are in Pattaya and neither the girls nor I want to waste our time.

Girl of the day (42 years old): Soi Buakhaow bar. I've been seeing her in this bar for at least a year, I had never paid attention to her. And then the day before yesterday I saw her in a super tight mini dress. She instantly turned me on. Looks her age, little chuby but just right, pretty face. So I made an appointment for the day after tomorrow in my room. No problem getting her to give me her Line. Regular messages during these 2 days, she seemed worried that this date was a fake. And then there was this deluge last night when she was supposed to go home with floods in the streets. I suggested she come and spend the night at my place but she took a while to answer me and I fell asleep in the meantime. Too bad because she agreed but I didn't see her reply until I woke up this morning.

I fantasized about her for 2 days. Arrived today, at first I didn't recognize her because she seemed so cute. It's incredible how you can be attracted to someone in a completely irrational way. An effect of pheronomes? I devoured her pussy, for a long, long time, I literally drank her pussy (hoping that Gabacho hadn't been there before). 69, missionary, doggy style and ejaculation, the usual program but with a high degree of excitement. We lay down next to each other while usually I try to get rid of girls ASAP. 10 minutes later I get hard again, I take a condom again telling myself that I'm going to penetrate her a little for fun, nothing more. Except that I was still excited and I came a second time. It hadn't happened to me for years. Like what libido is first and foremost in the head. 1200 + 300 tip.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2940889]

But then bar and mamasan managers should be able to let girls give their Line if they want to meet customers outside of bar hours. Why don't they? They need to get another business plan or everyone will go to Thaifriendly. [/QUOTE]I have never went into a bar on soi 6, bought a few drinks for a girl without bar fining her and then been refused a line ID or the contact of the girl by any manager or momason. However, I suspect if one went inside the bar and started talking to a lady and then asked for her contact details with the intention of leaving without buying any drinks for you or the lady, then you would most likely be refused or the girl would get shit if she gave her details to you.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2940889]

Why don't they? They need to get another business plan or everyone will go to Thaifriendly. [/QUOTE]I am really curious about what business plan a Pattaya bar could have or implement that did not involve alcohol, lady drinks , and bar fines that would make them good money? I think this is one of the silliest comments I have ever read with all due respect. Honestly, I don't mean to be rude, but you don't make any sense. The only business plan in Pattaya that would eliminate selling customer drinks, lady drinks, and bar fines would be to close the bar and open up a massage parlor.

For the Pattaya bars to change their business model, especially on the 6, they would need to make a constant bar fine that is higher than the lowest at 500-700 and lower than the highest I've seen on the 6, which was 2500 before 9PM. Then they would have to make a rule that ST encounters in the bar's ST rooms are available anytime, but no LT bar fines until after midnight. That would be fair I guess. Maybe a constant bar fine of 1000 Baht after midnight. However, there would still be guys complaining about that business model too.

What's the answer in Pattaya? There is no answer. If you want to fuck a girl or play with girls that prefer bar work or freelancing, you have to play the bar game in most circumstances. Thats why the bars still exist. Some guys prefer to drink and have fun with the girls,. They don't mind paying. Others prefer going with FLs, so they do so because its cheaper and maybe they just don't like the bars. The best part about Pattaya is you can change your strategy at anytime and you will have an option.

1. Girls on beach road.

2. FL's on dating apps.

3. G clubs.

4. Beer bars.

5. Go go bars.

6. Massage parlors.

7. Picking up normal girls in central or at their work.

8. KTVs

9. Clubs on walking street

10. Thai clubs

11. Thai gents clubs with the same model as Bangkok. Yes there are some of those in Pattaya too

I know it's your right to complain and post it here, but if I was a tourist, I would not waste anytime while being in Pattaya. I would be out doing 1-11 every night. Choosing a different strategy depending on my mood and budget for that day.

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2941246]The two Korean live streamers who seem to come to Soi 6 every day.

Useless parasites who think they are important because pretty girls pay attention to them.

One day, I will grab their camera and start running. They won't be able to catch me.[/QUOTE]The guy on the right Banned me when I told him to buy more drinks bro.

The guy on the left is one of those high spending Koreans we hear about. Drinks only.

In my las vegas suite overlooking the Stip. $90 at noight.

Watching Zondo41 at Annie Jack's interview multiple employess. Boy they all Borderline Ugly.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2942088]I devoured her pussy, for a long, long time, I literally drank her pussy (hoping that Gabacho hadn't been there before). 69, missionary, doggy style and ejaculation, the usual program but with a high degree of excitement. We lay down next to each other while usually I try to get rid of girls ASAP. 10 minutes later I get hard again, I take a condom again telling myself that I'm going to penetrate her a little for fun, nothing more. Except that I was still excited and I came a second time. It hadn't happened to me for years. Like what libido is first and foremost in the head. 1200 + 300 tip.[/QUOTE]Yeah bro, I splooged all up inside her punani. I dropped one of my intensely large sunflower lecithin / pygeum loads inside of her no condom. How does it feel to know you were lapping up my cum?8203; Sounds like you enjoyed it brother. Cheers!

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2942133]I am really curious about what....[/QUOTE]You didn't understand anything. Completely off topic.

Next time avoid reading my posts, move on and keep your long and uninteresting thoughts to yourself. You're wasting your time I don't read them, they bore me.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2942338]You didn't understand anything. Completely off topic.

Next time avoid reading my posts, move on and keep your long and uninteresting thoughts to yourself. You're wasting your time I don't read them, they bore me.[/QUOTE]I apologize if I put you on the spot. I think you can't answer my questions because there is no possible right answer from you, no problem then. If you see where I quoted you regarding your posts about Pattaya, my questions and comments were very clear and not off topic. The fact is that there is no business plan that a Pattaya bar could have that would allow them to make money that would also make you happy and not want to go to Thai Friendly.

As for letting the girls working in Pattaya bars give their contact details out freely to customers that refuse to bar fine so they can hook up later, and save the bar fine I say to you that most guys don't have an issue with getting contact details. Why? because they buy drinks while they are there. Then casually exchange contacts with the lady and go. Then on another random day they make a plan to meet outside the bar.

However, there is no incentive for the bars to allow this and there is no alternative business plan that they could implement that would allow them to make you money and make you happy at the same time I think..................................

Therefore, Thai Friendly is there for you. I don't think Soi 6 is for you mate. IMHO

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2942133]What's the answer in Pattaya? There is no answer. If you want to fuck a girl or play with girls that prefer bar work or freelancing, you have to play the bar game in most circumstances. Thats why the bars still exist. Some guys prefer to drink and have fun with the girls,. They don't mind paying. Others prefer going with FLs, so they do so because its cheaper and maybe they just don't like the bars. The best part about Pattaya is you can change your strategy at anytime and you will have an option.

1. [b]Girls on beach road[/b].

2. FL's on dating apps.

3. G clubs.

4. Beer bars.

5. Go go bars.

6. Massage parlors.

7. Picking up normal girls in central or at their work.

8. KTVs

9. Clubs on walking street

10. Thai clubs

11. Thai gents clubs with the same model as Bangkok. Yes there are some of those in Pattaya too.[/QUOTE]In complete agreement with you on this brother. There will NEVER be a case were people interested in hiring prostitutes in Pattaya only do it on Thai Friendly online. The individual that wrote that was suffering from mental or chemical imbalance.

Can you tell me what #8 is?

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2942414]In complete agreement with you on this brother. There will NEVER be a case were people interested in hiring prostitutes in Pattaya only do it on Thai Friendly online. The individual that wrote that was suffering from mental or chemical imbalance.

Can you tell me what #8 is?[/QUOTE]Short form for Karaoke Bars.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2942414]In complete agreement with you on this brother. There will NEVER be a case were people interested in hiring prostitutes in Pattaya only do it on Thai Friendly online. The individual that wrote that was suffering from mental or chemical imbalance.

Can you tell me what #8 is?[/QUOTE]I believe Kareoke bars.

Which club was it?

At Jannat every Uzbek was asking 8-10 k.

As an Indian who's been to a couple of these Indian discos, can confirm!

Was there in mid August this year, and picked up one Uzbek girl for 3500 LT.

[QUOTE=MGavin;2942490]At Jannat every Uzbek was asking 8-10 k.[/QUOTE]They damn sure do. And the Thais ask 4-5 k. That is why I laugh when people talk about how cheap the brothers from India are. You go inside of those clubs and it is a different story.

[QUOTE=MGavin;2942490]As an Indian who's been to a couple of these Indian discos, can confirm![/QUOTE]That is what I am talking about. Real [I]boots on the ground[/I] reporting!

[QUOTE=MGavin;2942490]Was there in mid August this year, and picked up one Uzbek girl for 3500 LT.[/QUOTE]That is a good price compared to 5000 LT for a top tier Agogo girl.

[QUOTE=MGavin;2942490]At Jannat every Uzbek was asking 8-10 k.[/QUOTE][B]Are their pussies lined with gold?[/B]

Based on my notes. Translate google french > english (google is your friend)

Day 14:

Girl of the day (30): Gogo bar. The problem with bar girls is that now 2 times out of 3 they either have silicone breasts or they are tattooed, or both. And I hate that. This one has her pretty natural skin and her breasts are not big but very high, she is a very beautiful girl. I had her come back this afternoon. Reliable for appointments. She was supposed to pick up her son at 3:30 pm After school, this may explain that. She was there at 2:00 pm Purple pussy. She was even wetter than last time. Pussy licked and licked. Nice, well put together, nice little ass, I put my fingers everywhere. 2000 B.

Day 15:

Girl of the day (35): Thaifriendly. Chosen a bit haphazardly and again because of a last-minute stand me up : appointment made at 12:30 for 2:00 pm And of course she didn't tell me she wasn't coming. Not pretty, too thin, body and face more like 50 (and even then) and on top of that she was at the end (or beginning) of her period. Bad draw then. But nice and excellent deep blowjob and I felt the tongue in her mouth. Cummed doggy style, not much more to say. 1000 + 200 tip.

Day 16:

Girl of the day (26); Thaifriendly. Already Thaifriendly smartphone works better when you have a network. Yesterday I had some very erratic ones. Appointment made at 12:30 and she arrived at 2:15 pm A bit late because of the 2nd Road works but hey no big deal. Pretty good atmosphere. Well the photos were still advantageous because I saw her arrive more chuby than expected anyway but all that was very firm considering her age. Very pretty little muzzle. A lot of moans like porn personally it's not my thing and in addition she must have had a pain in the pussy because she had a little trouble in doggy style. 1000 + 200 tip.

General opinion on Thaifriendly:

The -: a lot of waste in the contacts, the scourge of missed appointments, I didn't have a subscription so I only contacted the ads that displayed Line, WhatsApp, Instagram, etc. It was just for a few days, the best is to take a subscription (1 month $ 24) very quickly profitable compared to the offers in gogo or in bars. This is probably what I will do on my next visit. Request availability and a time investment to contact.

The +: a lot of girls available throughout the day and I imagine also at night but me at night I sleep. Everything for all ages, all shapes, big, thin, small, tall, beautiful, less beautiful, etc.

The best is not to make an appointment too far in advance. Under 2 hours seems to me to be an acceptable compromise so that everyone can organize themselves, but I was also able to make last-minute appointments without any problems.

Generally not expensive. All the appointments I made were for 1000 + 200 tip. Some requests for 1500 in general that can generally be negotiated. A request for 2000st and 4500 LT without follow-up obviously. The best is to announce in the first messages the price that you are ready to pay.

Good solution if you are there for several days but difficult to implement for a weekend or a short tourist stay.

No toxics comments thank you.

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[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2942596]Based on my notes. Translate google french > english (google is your friend)

Day 14:

Girl of the day (30): Gogo bar. The problem with bar girls is that now 2 times out of 3 they either have silicone breasts or they are tattooed, or both. And I hate that. This one has her pretty natural skin and her breasts are not big but very high, she is a very beautiful girl. I had her come back this afternoon. Reliable for appointments. She was supposed to pick up her son at 3:30 pm After school, this may explain that. She was there at 2:00 pm Purple pussy. She was even wetter than last time. Pussy licked and licked. Nice, well put together, nice little ass, I put my fingers everywhere. 2000 B.

Day 15:

Girl of the day (35): Thaifriendly. Chosen a bit haphazardly and again because of a last-minute stand me up : appointment made at 12:30 for 2:00 pm And of course she didn't tell me she wasn't coming. Not pretty, too thin, body and face more like 50 (and even then) and on top of that she was at the end (or beginning) of her period. Bad draw then. But nice and excellent deep blowjob and I felt the tongue in her mouth. Cummed doggy style, not much more to say. 1000 + 200 tip.

Day 16:

Girl of the day (26); Thaifriendly. Already Thaifriendly smartphone works better when you have a network. Yesterday I had some very erratic ones. Appointment made at 12:30 and she arrived at 2:15 pm A bit late because of the 2nd Road works but hey no big deal. Pretty good atmosphere. Well the photos were still advantageous because I saw her arrive more chuby than expected anyway but all that was very firm considering her age. Very pretty little muzzle. A lot of moans like porn personally it's not my thing and in addition she must have had a pain in the pussy because she had a little trouble in doggy style. 1000 + 200 tip.

General opinion on Thaifriendly:

The -: a lot of waste in the contacts, the scourge of missed appointments, I didn't have a subscription so I only contacted the ads that displayed Line, WhatsApp, Instagram, etc. It was just for a few days, the best is to take a subscription (1 month $ 24) very quickly profitable compared to the offers in gogo or in bars. This is probably what I will do on my next visit. Request availability and a time investment to contact.

The +: a lot of girls available throughout the day and I imagine also at night but me at night I sleep. Everything for all ages, all shapes, big, thin, small, tall, beautiful, less beautiful, etc.

The best is not to make an appointment too far in advance. Under 2 hours seems to me to be an acceptable compromise so that everyone can organize themselves, but I was also able to make last-minute appointments without any problems.

Generally not expensive. All the appointments I made were for 1000 + 200 tip. Some requests for 1500 in general that can generally be negotiated. A request for 2000st and 4500 LT without follow-up obviously. The best is to announce in the first messages the price that you are ready to pay.

Good solution if you are there for several days but difficult to implement for a weekend or a short tourist stay.

No toxics comments thank you.[/QUOTE]I think this was a pretty successful few days with TF FL's and an off duty go go girl. Nice reporting. For the monger that does not like to spend money in the Pattaya bars on drinks and bar fines, this is about the best way to meet girls to fuck for reasonable prices without planning too far in advance to avoid disappointments.

Like I have said all along, Pattaya has something for everyone and this guy found his comfort zone and is sticking with it. The bars are not for him and that's cool. They are not for everyone. Why waste your trip to Pattaya moaning about bar fines, having to buy lady drinks, and complaining about how much the bar girls and go go girls want. Find what works for you and stick to it. Then your vacation will be the most enjoyable.

My two cents worth.

For this monger who seems to want to go to the bars, but refuses to spend the money, he should check out the gents clubs. Why? Because they offer rates just a little higher than FL's, but you still get the bar atmosphere. You can drink 60 baht Leos and never buy one lady drink. Then you can go upstairs to the ST room for 400-500 Baht and pay the girl 1000-1500. Or better yet, go behind the curtain and fuck for 1000 plus the curtain fee of 200-300 Baht.

However, buying a few lady drinks is the many thing to do. For one rack of tequila in Maggie Mays, the girl will get completely naked and suck your dick. Either behind the curtain or right at the bar or your table. Love gents clubs!!!!

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2942615]For this monger who seems to want to go to the bars, but refuses to spend the money, he should check out the gents clubs. Why? Because they offer rates just a little higher than FL's, but you still get the bar atmosphere. You can drink 60 baht Leos and never buy one lady drink. [/QUOTE]I would be bored out of my mind if I went to Kinnaree and never bought lady drinks. The whole purpose of a G Club for me is bang for your buck. For a measly cheap LD you get guaranteed DFK and HJ and sometimes more. Really miss those old bars around Soi LK Pavilion. For a LD your dick would be out she'd have no panties on giving you lap dances without penetration (that you had to pay for). Really enjoyable afternoons of fun. I agree. G clubs rock for fun and value in the afternoon.

Only con of many G clubs are they are very smoky.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2942498]They damn sure do. And the Thais ask 4-5 k. That is why I laugh when people talk about how cheap the brothers from India are. You go inside of those clubs and it is a different story.[/QUOTE]You seem to have a thing about asking prices.

Trust me Indians aren't paying Bumpkis. Indians be Indians.

P.S. we not talking about Indians who own nana plaza.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2942630]I would be bored out of my mind if I went to Kinnaree and never bought lady drinks. The whole purpose of a G Club for me is bang for your buck. For a measly cheap LD you get guaranteed DFK and HJ and sometimes more. Really miss those old bars around Soi LK Pavilion. For a LD your dick would be out she'd have no panties on giving you lap dances without penetration (that you had to pay for). Really enjoyable afternoons of fun. I agree. G clubs rock for fun and value in the afternoon.

Only con of many G clubs are they are very smoky.[/QUOTE]Thats you and me.

You must have missed this part of my post.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2942615].

However, buying a few lady drinks is the many thing to do. For one rack of tequila in Maggie Mays, the girl will get completely naked and suck your dick. Either behind the curtain or right at the bar or your table. Love gents clubs!!!![/QUOTE]


This is what I love the most about the gents clubs.

Ya same experiance with me too.

In jannat one Uzbek chicks asked me 15 k THb for LT.

I said FUCK OFF.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2942556]That is what I am talking about. Real [I]boots on the ground[/I] reporting!

That is a good price compared to 5000 LT for a top tier Agogo girl.

[B]Are their pussies lined with gold?[/B][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2942615]I think this was a pretty successful few days with TF FL's and an off duty go go girl. Nice reporting. For the monger that does not like to spend money in the Pattaya bars on drinks and bar fines, this is about the best way to meet girls to fuck for reasonable prices without planning too far in advance to avoid disappointments.

Like I have said all along, Pattaya has something for everyone and this guy found his comfort zone and is sticking with it. The bars are not for him and that's cool. They are not for everyone. Why waste your trip to Pattaya moaning about bar fines, having to buy lady drinks, and complaining about how much the bar girls and go go girls want. Find what works for you and stick to it. Then your vacation will be the most enjoyable.

My two cents worth.

For this monger who seems to want to go to the bars, but refuses to spend the money, he should check out the gents clubs. Why? Because they offer rates just a little higher than FL's, but you still get the bar atmosphere. You can drink 60 baht Leos and never buy one lady drink. Then you can go upstairs to the ST room for 400-500 Baht and pay the girl 1000-1500. Or better yet, go behind the curtain and fuck for 1000 plus the curtain fee of 200-300 Baht.

However, buying a few lady drinks is the many thing to do. For one rack of tequila in Maggie Mays, the girl will get completely naked and suck your dick. Either behind the curtain or right at the bar or your table. Love gents clubs!!!![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2939874][B]Maggie Mays:[/B]

Know your venues. Know your prices. Do not fight the market. Flow to where the market works for you.[/QUOTE]I just realized the way this member puts it is even better than how I put it.

So don't waste your precious mongering time in Pattaya complaining. do this instead.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2942630] Only con of many G clubs are they are very smoky.[/QUOTE]Steven has installed the best ventilation system money can buy in Maggie Mays. I smoke my cigar in there all the time and unless I blow the smoke directly into someone's face, which I would never do, believe it or not, you wouldn't even know someone was smoking.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2942615]I think this was a pretty successful few days with TF FL's and an off duty go go girl. Nice reporting. For the monger that does not like to spend money in the Pattaya bars on drinks and bar fines, this is about the best way to meet girls to fuck for reasonable prices without planning too far in advance to avoid disappointments.

[b]Like I have said all along, Pattaya has something for everyone[/b] and this guy found his comfort zone and is sticking with it. The bars are not for him and that's cool. They are not for everyone. Why waste your trip to Pattaya moaning about bar fines, having to buy lady drinks, and complaining about how much the bar girls and go go girls want. Find what works for you and stick to it. Then your vacation will be the most enjoyable.

My two cents worth.

For this monger who seems to want to go to the bars, but refuses to spend the money, he should check out the gents clubs. Why? Because they offer rates just a little higher than FL's, but you still get the bar atmosphere. You can drink 60 baht Leos and never buy one lady drink. Then you can go upstairs to the ST room for 400-500 Baht and pay the girl 1000-1500. Or better yet, go behind the curtain and fuck for 1000 plus the curtain fee of 200-300 Baht. [/QUOTE]Thank you brother! I think your assessment gives excellent insight for others who may be new or just beating their head up against the wall when it comes to pricing structures for pussy here in Pattaya.

Posting in a public forum equals other members of the public commenting on your posts. All members need to remember that!

Paying around 1000 euro for a flight ticket and then pay around 70 euro for a girl on soi 6 is not really my idea of "something for everyone". What BS. Yes, I can get some grandma for 500 baht, but who the f* travels for that? Who travels to go and see the overwight 40+ ladies on soi 7 and soi 8? Its just stupid.

It was never that price level or quality that made Pattaya into what it once was.

[U]Passport[/U]

Before it all starts one has to get a passport. In my country of origin that process is not inexpensive. A passport book and card is: 121.85 euro.

[U]Travel[/U]

International tricking requires a [I]flight ticket[/I]. This cost will vary depending upon which city you are leaving from in my country of origin. Quick search of the flights available from the city I jump off from give me a cost to BKK for a two week [B]fuck vacation[/B] in the month of October 2024 between 900 - 1200 euro.

[U]Where you stay[/U]

This is very dependent upon the personal style of the [I]international trick[/I] in question. Hilton next to Central on Beach Road (254 euro / nigh) or Apex Hotel (17 euro / night). Never stayed in the Hilton, but never been disappointed with the chain worldwide. I have state in the [B]Apex Hotel[/B] and it is good enough for this international trick.

[U]Actual Tricking Expenses[/U]

I posted this on 08/24/2024:

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2939874][B]Maggie Mays:[/B] Full Service is 1000; room 400.

You get what you negotiate with the girl. The room is a set price. The time she spends with you is directly related to the LD drinks you buy for her.

[U]Or you can change venues[/U]:

[B]Windmill[/B]: 3000ST; 5000 LT; Bar Fine after 0100:1500.

[B]Skyfall[/B]: 3000ST; 5000 LT; Bar Fine: 1500.

[B]Kink[/B]: 3000ST; 5000 LT; Bar Fine: 1500.

[B]Beer Bar[/B] on Soi Tree town: 1000ST; Bar Fine: 500.

[B]Kings Club[/B]: LD 160 ; 1000ST; VIP Room 400;.

[B]Lips Lounge[/B]: LD 250; 500 BBBJCIM; no need for room. Room 300 THB. Bar Fine 1000.

Don't get caught up in the pricing bullshit on [B]Soi 6[/B]. Fuck dem Nightass group bar owning mother fuckers.

Know your venues. Know your prices. Do not fight the market. Flow to where the market works for you.[/QUOTE][B]Thai Friendly[/B] girls range from 1000 - 4000 Short Time depending upon their perceived attractiveness and where they are from. Girls from [B]Beach Road[/B] range from 1000,1500, 2000 THB. Those are the price ranges I have been given when searching for my princess standing under a palm tree.

My prices (price ranges) are accurate. No one has quibbled with me over them. And everyone posting up in here knows that I do not like to pay a whole lot of money for pussy. Now there are mother fuckers who WILL talk shit about appearance. Those same mother fuckers have never posted a photo of the girls they hire as postitutes or even posted a report about the girls they have hired for prostitutes in Pattaya. I could name names but I won't to protect the guilty.

The oldest Thai Girl I have ever fucked in Pattya was: 40 years old, out of a Tree Town Beer Bar. The youngest I have been with is 20. A girl who works at 7-11 and I gave her 2000 for [B]BBFSCIP[/B]. My experiences do not invalidate anyone else's experiences. But I can get much more than a [I]overweight grandmother[/I] for my 500 THB (she was 27).

Perhaps individuals who cannot find girls that fit within their price range should find other places in this [I]entire mother fucking world[/I] that exists to go. And if they find those places help a brother out and let me know instead of being both a [I]negative nelly[/I] and a [I]cheap Charlie[/I]. [B]LOL![/B].

[B]I have friends who are incurring all of the above expenses when it comes to travel and they cannot wait to get back![/B]

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2942874]Paying around 1000 euro for a flight ticket and then pay around 70 euro for a girl on soi 6 is not really my idea of "something for everyone". What BS. Yes, I can get some grandma for 500 baht, but who the f* travels for that? Who travels to go and see the overwight 40+ ladies on soi 7 and soi 8? Its just stupid.

It was never that price level or quality that made Pattaya into what it once was.[/QUOTE]Au contraire. It was definitely that price level that made Patters what it was. Soi 6 was magnificent before "the group" took over and converted all the bars into open air loud monstrosities. ST on premise was 500 Baht and they were amazingly cute girls. GoGos were 1 k ST and 1500 LT, no arguing. FLs in Marine 1 k. And these were not 40 year olds. This hell true from 1999 when I started going to patters till the early 10's.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2942928]Au contraire. It was definitely that price level that made Patters what it was. Soi 6 was magnificent before "the group" took over and converted all the bars into open air loud monstrosities. ST on premise was 500 Baht and they were amazingly cute girls. GoGos were 1 k ST and 1500 LT, no arguing. FLs in Marine 1 k. And these were not 40 year olds. This hell true from 1999 when I started going to patters till the early 10's.[/QUOTE]Agree absolutely. Soi 6 was fantastic when I used to go there in the early 2000's. Basically a Soi lined by bars operating on the same model as the Gentleman's Clubs of today. Closed doors, air con, relaxed atmosphere, no pressure for drinks, and full of cute, young ladies all ready for fun in the bar or to go upstairs for 500 Baht. I stopped going to Pattaya years ago, but from what I read here, there are still plenty of alternative options for a good time, but Soi 6 certainly isn't one of them any more.

Fuck, why does it seam like everyone lives in the mother fucking [I]Glory Days[/I]? Things change. Online game is poping off. Other in person venues are also. As opposed to telling people what to, I suggest that if they are hung up on [B]Soi 6[/B] pricing models or they cannot seem to find girls they find attractive in beer bars that they look to other markets. Pattaya has so many of them. I am not one to relive the [I]Glory Days[/I] (not that I could if I wanted to when it comes to Pattaya). If Pattaya has changed and you haven't that is you OWN damn fault. [B]LOL![/B].

Two examples have been given as reasonable choices at a lower price point: [B]Gentlemans Clubs[/B] or [B]Thai Friendly[/B].

Or mother fuckers could up their game like I did when I lived in the Dominican Republic and learned how to speak Spanish. Now learning a different language, that requires time and brain work and not everyone will be up to it. For me it was like having the keys to the kingdom handed to me. Along with being able to travel to any number of Spanish speaking countries and communicate. To me it is a better use of time than writing endless complaints here about the price of pussy in Pattaya. Learning to speak Thai opens up a entire mother fucking country to include girls not participating in the pussy market.

[B]Be a man! Put in some work![/B]

[QUOTE=MGavin;2942490]Which club was it?

At Jannat every Uzbek was asking 8-10 k.

[/QUOTE]I had done my research before visiting Pattaya for the first time in August this year, and the three Indian clubs I was recommended to visit by my friends were Nashaa, Jannat & Tony.

Sceptic and even a little apprehensive as I didn't want to run into Indians on foreign soil (LOL), I went to Nashaa on the third day of my stay. 5 minutes in, I found myself feeling comfortable, listening & dancing to familiar Panjabi & other Indian music, the girls seemed to be enjoying the company of Indians and most of them were singing along to Indian songs! It was a welcome sight compared to the GoGo bars in Nana Plaza Bangkok closing the front door curtains at the sight of fellow Indians, and the sole reason I didn't spend a single penny there!

Anyway back to Nashaa. Believe you me when I tell you that the pot-bellied Indian uncles and all other Indians as a matter of fact who come there, have deep pockets and are ready to splurge. One of the Uzbeki chicks that was being hit on by the entire club that night was finally taken home by an Indian uncle who pulled a stack of Thai Baht notes from his pocket and asked her to name the price! 10 k THB it was, and the gentleman didn't bat an eyelid before taking her out from the club. I suppose this is the reason Uzbeki girls have started demanding such high prices because they know that Indians can and will pay them when they are in Pattaya!

I was eyeing a friend of this chick I mentioned above, and once I was able to muster up enough courage to go talk to her, she quoted 5 k LT. To which I reverted sternly with 3. 5 K LT and she was tagging along to my table. Just so you know, I had to buy her two shots (150 THB each) and she also asked to pick up some food along the way back to hotel ( 200-300 THB).

I guess the all Indian crowd in these Indian clubs and the Indian music might be overwhelming for many of my non-Indian friends, but rest assured you'll have a good time there.

If you wish, I can take you along to one of these Indian clubs during my next visit to Pattaya 13-16 Sep.

Till then, Cheers!

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2942874]Paying around 1000 euro for a flight ticket and then pay around 70 euro for a girl on soi 6 is not really my idea of "something for everyone". What BS. Yes, I can get some grandma for 500 baht, but who the f* travels for that? Who travels to go and see the overwight 40+ ladies on soi 7 and soi 8? Its just stupid.

It was never that price level or quality that made Pattaya into what it once was.[/QUOTE]Yeah Soi 6 was a great place to spend an afternoon. You could buy a cheap drink and girls would be all over you and then beg you to take them up to fuck them for 500-750 Baht. On Beach Road you get get your pick of brand new 18 year olds fresh off the boat for 500 B as well. Then internet and social media changed everything.

[QUOTE=AntiMage;2943001]Uzbeki girls at Indian Clubs[/QUOTE]I have no doubt there are Indian guys out there with deep pockets. Good for them.

My questions for you guys are:

1. How is the service from a top looking 10,000 baht LT Uzbek girl? Multiple shots? True DFK? BBBJ? BBFS (asking for ET)? Great attitude all night once in your room?

2. How is this unnegotiated priced 10,000 baht girl compared to a 5,000 baht LT girl who you have negotiated down to 3,5000 baht?

3. Are there only "Russian" girls there? I've been with well over 50 "Russian" girls before and tbh can count on both hands the number that stood out for me. Let's just say they aren't as good as their "European" counterparts like Czech, Hungarian, Polish, etc.

Never been to an Indian club but willing to go if the white girls are hot as the top looking girls from German FKK clubs 10 years ago (ie prettier than the ones you see outside the Russian gogo bars). Don't have an issue with 10,000 baht if the girl is hot enough and he service is exceptional.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2943013] Are there only "Russian" girls there? I've been with well over 50 "Russian" girls before and tbh can count on both hands the number that stood out for me. Let's just say they aren't as good as their "European" counterparts like Czech, Hungarian, Polish, etc.

Never been to an Indian club but willing to go if the white girls are hot as the top looking girls from German FKK clubs 10 years ago (ie prettier than the ones you see outside the Russian gogo bars). Don't have an issue with 10,000 baht if the girl is hot enough and he service is exceptional.[/QUOTE]If you’re looking for an endless supply of Russians, the answer is Dubai. Russians are absolutely as good as their Europeans counterparts if you know where to find them. Dubai also has Ukrainians, Belarusians, Polish, and the "stan" countries and central Asian countries (Kazahstan, Kyrgystan, etc). But you have to have money. The equivalent of 10,000 baht only gets you 1 hour with a Russian in Dubai (go to a club called Red Square and Czar).

I've had "Russians" in Thailand before back around 2016 (Mixx disco, dont know if Russian FLs are still there today) and they were never good. They all demanded covered blowjobs, some didn't even want to do a blowjob, they smelled like smoke from too much smoking, they were a starfish and just laid there like a dead fish, robot, bad service, up-charging, unappealing bodies once you saw them naked. However, if the "Russians" at these Indian clubs in thailand are actually providing good service, and they actually look good with and without clothes, I will be very interested.
[QUOTE=AntiMage;2943001]One of the Uzbeki chicks that was being hit on by the entire club that night was finally taken home by an Indian uncle who pulled a stack of Thai Baht notes from his pocket and asked her to name the price! 10 k THB it was, and the gentleman didn't bat an eyelid before taking her out from the club. I suppose this is the reason Uzbeki girls have started demanding such high prices because they know that Indians can and will pay them when they are in Pattaya!
[/QUOTE]
Interesting, Ive rarely seen big money Indians in Pattaya but I have seen them in Dubai. Im very interested to see how these uzbekis look. Perhaps someone on the ground can get a picture of inside the club or explain where exactly these Russian FLs are standing in the club. I might as well check it out on my next visit but based on google map picture reviews, I dont see any non-indian women, only massive crowds of a bunch of guys.

Hello to all the dear reporters!

I would like to discuss the way to initial communication with freelance from Thal-Friendly site.

What is important to close in advance? What is your best practices?

Thanks.

A couple things soi 6 isn't that bad there are still plenty of attractive girls that will go with you for 1500 baht plus 400 for the room so 1900. As Mr E always says and I have started doing it myself you don't have to buy a drink for the chick or yourself. All the girls are on the street trying to get you inside if you like one simply ask to go to the room. Honestly I don't get the hate on the price regarding soil 6 especially since the guy criticizing the price is staying he bar fines from gogos which is triple the price when you take drinks into account.

With that said if you don't find value on the six go to soil honey massage places or the bars there I'm not sure how much those girls charge might be the same price. If the bars are to expensive then do tinder Thai friendly etc. One thing that guys here rarely mention is the clubs the same chick's in bars are in the clubs you don't have to pay a bar fine or there drinks do that.

[QUOTE=Dor71;2943096]Hello to all the dear reporters!

I would like to discuss the way to initial communication with freelance from Thal-Friendly site.

What is important to close in advance? What is your best practices?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I just find a girl that I think looks attractive and I tell her that I am coming to Thailand and I'm looking for someone to dress up in a chicken suit while I brutally sodomize her over and over again, and then I don't want to spend more than 500 baht. I then collect the line addresses and the WhatsApp s from the ones that show eagerness and arrange a meet.

Just make sure you tell them in the very first message what you are looking for. If you're not into brutal sodomy like I am, and let's say you're into anal felching or poop play, just ask. You'll get responses.

[QUOTE=Dor71;2943096]Hello to all the dear reporters!

I would like to discuss the way to initial communication with freelance from Thal-Friendly site.

What is important to close in advance? What is your best practices?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I say [I]hello, I would like to meet you[/I]. At that point they will tell you they are freelance. If they don't just have a normal conversation and then redirect to meeting them. You will find they either want you to pay them for sex or take them on a date. Your option. Do not lead with money if you want to maintain the option for all the [I]free pussy[/I] being talked about up in here.

And we have our local expert on [B]Thai Friendly[/B] below. Let's see if he will actually offer some information on having sex with girls here in the [B]Pattaya Reports[/B] thread. [B]LOL![/B].

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2943388][b]And beside that I find my girls almost exclusively on TF[/b][/QUOTE]

More than 50% of the ladies who come to my condo want to be paid via bank transfer rather than cash.

I suspect that they want to be paid via bank transfer because they can only play slots using money in the bank.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2936422]... between 1200 and 1500 baht per session*.[/QUOTE]How long do they stay usually? Cool reports.

I am 30/ M / Indian. I visited Pattaya for 4 days in the last week of August.

Barfined (ST) twice from Soi 6 and twice from two of the top Gogo bars at Walking Street.

I thought I should share my retrospective. Be warned, it might feel a bit like a rant about the Indian experience in Pattaya.

1. I was denied entry at Pin-Up and XS Gogo Bars. At both places, the guards said "members only, 5000 THB fee". Granted I am very brown and obese, I think I was dressed fine. I visited the Walking Street alone, so I did not seem like one of those creepy Indian groups either. Before entering a bar, I confirm LD and BF prices. Maybe that made them think I am a stereotypical Cheap Charlie from India. I was willing to spend good money but not just for the privilege to enter the damned bar. I tried to communicate the same by offering to buy drinks for security guards at both the bars. At XS, I even opened my wallet to show them the cash I have on me. That only prompted them to reduce the "membership fee" to 3000 THB "just for me". I left after hearing that. Maybe a little more convincing would have worked? Whatever. It was a little frustrating to be expected to just throw a lot of money away to prove I can spend as much as Koreans and Americans. Why not have a cover charge system instead? More than happy to guarantee spending 5 k THB on LDs and BFs but I would still be a little worried about bill padding or excessive LD requests from staff when paying a big amount upfront. Any thoughts on this from fellow Indians / non-Indians?

2. Onto the other two Gogo bars I did BF from. I will not name them for privacy; apparently Indians very rarely visit Gogo bars. The first bar asked for 500 THB "membership fee". That was much more reasonable than the 5000 THB demand from other bars. I handed the guard the cash. He said something along the lines of, "just buy me a drink", so I did not end up paying the 500 THB fee after all. Just paid for my drink and a guard's drink to enter. At the second bar, I was not stopped at entrance at all. I offered the guard a drink anyway. He was very happy. I offered a drink each to two waitresses. They paid special attention to my requests.

3. As expected Soi 6 is much more value for money. Of course here as well, the experience is not as good as it is for Americans and Koreans. Those dudes (regardless of age, weight, etc.) were getting a lot more attention from the pretty ladies. Two ladies refused my offer to buy them drinks. It was a little upsetting in the moment but I did not brood over it. In retrospect, I am very happy these ladies had the agency to refuse my advances if they did not feel like being with me. Soon enough, I found a pretty lady who agreed to get a drink with me. Lots of kissing and groping inside the bar. We went upstairs for ST. It was fun. I regret not LTing her. I spent 2500 and 3000 baht all in (my drink, LD, BF and lady's fee) for the two times. Much better value for money than Walking Street. Sure, Gogo bars will have higher concentration of "more desirable" ladies but Soi 6 has so many ladies, you will very likely find someone you like and for much cheaper.

4. No luck on TF with subscription. First question I ask is if the lady freelances. Most did not respond. Some that did never messaged again.

I had a few questions as well (I have RTFF):

1. One lady from Soi 6 I barfined the previous day sent me angry Line texts after she spotted me heading to another bar on the street. This happened even though I told her during our first interaction that I am butterfly. Could I have prevented her being (fake?) upset? Not sure what her expectation was.

2. A lot of the ladies I bought a drink asked if I have a girlfriend. Are they asking about my previous barfining history? Or if I have a girlfriend back home? Or something else? I remember reading somewhere that Pattaya's entertainment industry is built around GFE but in this forum, I see lots of people here not sticking around with one lady. Am I missing something?

3. Do I need do something more to get better response on TF? My profile only had one face-to-waist photo. Is that enough? How long do you all spend messaging ladies on TF? It sure felt like a lot of work to do.

Please reply / message me if you spot any behaviour I can improve for a better experience for myself or the ladies.

[QUOTE=TonyEm;2943572]How long do they stay usually? [/QUOTE]There is no usual. They stay what you negotiate. I pretty much only do Long Time which starts at night and goes through morning. Did have a chick come during the day the other day for 1000 though. She stayed at least 3 hours. Girl last night came over at 11 pm and left this morning at 11 am. 1200 baht.

[QUOTE=Shikhar10;2943574]I am 30/ M / Indian. I visited Pattaya for 4 days in the last week of August.
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1. I was denied entry at Pin-Up and XS Gogo Bars. At both places, the guards said "members only, 5000 THB fee". Granted I am very brown and obese, I think I was dressed fine. I visited the Walking Street alone, so I did not seem like one of those creepy Indian groups either.[/QUOTE]WOW! I've seen the security guard put up 5 fingers to the Indians at those places. But I though it was 500 baht, not 5000 baht. I guess that would make sense. Those places are packed, and I generally don't see Indians there (I don't really like those bars because you have to sit cheek-to-cheek; but you do have the best talent there). 500 baht is not that big of a cover charge. I usually see mainly East Asians and White Westerners at those bars.

[QUOTE=Shikhar10;2943574]3. As expected Soi 6 is much more value for money. Of course here as well, the experience is not as good as it is for Americans and Koreans. Those dudes (regardless of age, weight, etc.) were getting a lot more attention from the pretty ladies. Two ladies refused my offer to buy them drinks. It was a little upsetting in the moment but I did not brood over it. In retrospect, I am very happy these ladies had the agency to refuse my advances if they did not feel like being with me[/QUOTE]You can get the same treatment as these guys if you're willing to spend as much as you were willing to spend on walking street. Maybe not from these same girls, but others will gladly do it. Just keep in mind that some girls are picky, some others have their preferences and many of them are inexperienced, so they need time to adjust their understanding.

[QUOTE=Shikhar10;2943574]1. One lady from Soi 6 I barfined the previous day sent me angry Line texts after she spotted me heading to another bar on the street. This happened even though I told her during our first interaction that I am butterfly. Could I have prevented her being (fake?) upset? Not sure what her expectation was.[/QUOTE]Best thing to do is to not exchange Line IDs with these girls, unless you've been to her many times, you know you like her a lot. Otherwise, nothing interesting will come from getting her Line ID.

[QUOTE=Shikhar10;2943574]2. A lot of the ladies I bought a drink asked if I have a girlfriend. Are they asking about my previous barfining history? Or if I have a girlfriend back home? Or something else? I remember reading somewhere that Pattaya's entertainment industry is built around GFE but in this forum, I see lots of people here not sticking around with one lady. Am I missing something?[/QUOTE]Probably some basic talks, like where you come from, how old are you, just some talks to talk a bit and pretend she is interested to know about you. To be clear, they don't care if you've got a GF or not unless they are thinking of becoming your GF, but I would say it is unlikely from a girl on soi 6 unless you've been to her multiple times and spent a ton on her.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2943559]If you stopped posting then I don't understand what you are doing here now? You say you don't have much to say about the other options, but you do about Thai Friendly. Plenty of the guys need help in that area.
So whats stopping you from contributing about that? TF in Pattaya is one of the major mongering options. TF in Pattaya is different than BKK and other places because 95% of the ladies are FLs. Other areas in about 50/50.
So, are you still here to contribute or just muddle and puddle around. At least Sub posts reports. Whether you love him or hate him, he contributes useful info.
With you, you have over 2000 posts. With experience like that, you are qualified to contribute in any section of the forum. Please post up.[/QUOTE]Here are some examples:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=2916386&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2916386. Post no. 42305.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=2916376&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2916376. Post no. 42304.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=2903813&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2903813. Post no. 41910.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=2891821&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2891821. Post no. 41613.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=2881978&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2881978. Post no. 41193.

[QUOTE=Shikhar10;2943574]......1. One lady from Soi 6 I barfined the previous day sent me angry Line texts after she spotted me heading to another bar on the street.......[/QUOTE]When you see her go with a customer send her an angry text complaining about that.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2943602]You can get the same treatment as these guys if you're willing to spend as much as you were willing to spend on walking street.
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[/QUOTE]Thanks for responding. I would be happy to spend more at Soi 6 but what do I do with the money exactly? I was already offering LDs to women I fancied. What more could I do?

[QUOTE=Shikhar10;2943574]A lot of the ladies I bought a drink asked if I have a girlfriend. Are they asking about my previous barfining history? Or if I have a girlfriend back home? Or something else?[/QUOTE]They are just making small talk. Tell them yes and she likes ladies too.

[QUOTE=Shikhar10;2943574]Do I need do something more to get better response on TF? My profile only had one face-to-waist photo. Is that enough? How long do you all spend messaging ladies on TF? It sure felt like a lot of work to do.[/QUOTE]I just copy and paste "Hello,. What you doing" to all of them that I am interested in. Whoever answers then I work from there. Some do not answer for days, weeks or even months after.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2943563]More than 50% of the ladies who come to my condo want to be paid via bank transfer rather than cash.[/QUOTE]Fuck that! I only pay my prostitutes fiat currency in THB. My personal philosophy is to pay cash until I cannot. Like at the move theater I had to buy a card in order to purchase tickets. So, I did. But I least I got a discount. Also, many food courts let you pay cash at the main station where they put a credit on a card that lets you make purchases in the food court. I had to mail a package and they would only allow bank transfer. I paid it. But I also thought it was fucked up. Legal Tender means it is legal to use for all business transactions in the mother fucking country. [B]Get the fuck![/B].

[QUOTE=Shikhar10;2943574]I am 30/ M / Indian. I visited Pattaya for 4 days in the last week of August.

Barfined (ST) twice from Soi 6 and twice from two of the top Gogo bars at Walking Street..[/QUOTE]I think you did well for your first visit I believe. Otherwise you wouldn't be so alarmed about the lack of access to all clubs.

First of all, I would not give a damn about it since the visit time for us is usually just a few days and Pattaya has thousands and thousands of girls to choose from. It's not like you are losing out on everything. You did not get access to the best location on the beach, but you can still be happy with the sea in front of you anyways. Just swim in the waters available to you and have fun and be grateful that you had the opportunity to do what millions of others could not.

Secondly, clubs are there to make money. They are not here to entertain everyone who comes to Pattaya. They are doing what is right for their business model. And they are 100% right in doing so. If you run a business you will want the best spending and well behaved customers. And they do use their best judgement in filtering out certain races which is not fair to some of us but if you see around you deep down know they have to do it.

I wouldn't waste my time on TF. It's for people who spend months and years living there. For the weekenders, you are better off at the places you already visited.

[QUOTE=Shikhar10;2943646]Thanks for responding. I would be happy to spend more at Soi 6 but what do I do with the money exactly? I was already offering LDs to women I fancied. What more could I do?[/QUOTE]Just pay a drink to the girl you like, if she is responding well keep paying a few drinks (one after one, no racks and no tequilas). During that time, talk with her and be touchy, try to feel her everywhere. If things are going good, take her upstairs (after negociating a price). If not, move to another bar or come back to the soi later if you don't see anyone.

The girls are seeing all kind of guys walking the soi up and down frequently, they don't necessarily know who is here to have a good time and who is not. They will know when they will see you having a good time with a girl, and spending on drinks. Your next visit some of the other girls would have noticed you, and slowly more and more girls will want to jump on you, but it takes time. One or two days might not be enough to get the same treatment that the guys you've seen.

[QUOTE=Shikhar10;2943574]I am 30/ M / Indian. I visited Pattaya for 4 days in the last week of August.

Barfined (ST) twice from Soi 6 and twice from two of the top Gogo bars at Walking Street.

I thought I should share my retrospective. Be warned, it might feel a bit like a rant about the Indian experience in Pattaya.

1. I was denied entry at Pin-Up and XS Gogo Bars. At both places, the guards said "members only, 5000 THB fee". Granted I am very brown and obese, I think I was dressed fine. I visited the Walking Street alone, so I did not seem like one of those creepy Indian groups either. Before entering a bar, I confirm LD and BF prices. Maybe that made them think I am a stereotypical Cheap Charlie from India. I was willing to spend good money but not just for the privilege to enter the damned bar. I tried to communicate the same by offering to buy drinks for security guards at both the bars. At XS, I even opened my wallet to show them the cash I have on me. That only prompted them to reduce the "membership fee" to 3000 THB "just for me". I left after hearing that. Maybe a little more convincing would have worked? Whatever. It was a little frustrating to be expected to just throw a lot of money away to prove I can spend as much as Koreans and Americans. Why not have a cover charge system instead? More than happy to guarantee spending 5 k THB on LDs and BFs but I would still be a little worried about bill padding or excessive LD requests from staff when paying a big amount upfront. Any thoughts on this from fellow Indians / non-Indians?

2. Onto the other two Gogo bars I did BF from. I will not name them for privacy; apparently Indians very rarely visit Gogo bars. The first bar asked for 500 THB "membership fee". That was much more reasonable than the 5000 THB demand from other bars. I handed the guard the cash. He said something along the lines of, "just buy me a drink", so I did not end up paying the 500 THB fee after all. Just paid for my drink and a guard's drink to enter. At the second bar, I was not stopped at entrance at all. I offered the guard a drink anyway. He was very happy. I offered a drink each to two waitresses. They paid special attention to my requests.

3. As expected Soi 6 is much more value for money. Of course here as well, the experience is not as good as it is for Americans and Koreans. Those dudes (regardless of age, weight, etc.) were getting a lot more attention from the pretty ladies. Two ladies refused my offer to buy them drinks. It was a little upsetting in the moment but I did not brood over it. In retrospect, I am very happy these ladies had the agency to refuse my advances if they did not feel like being with me. Soon enough, I found a pretty lady who agreed to get a drink with me. Lots of kissing and groping inside the bar. We went upstairs for ST. It was fun. I regret not LTing her. I spent 2500 and 3000 baht all in (my drink, LD, BF and lady's fee) for the two times. Much better value for money than Walking Street. Sure, Gogo bars will have higher concentration of "more desirable" ladies but Soi 6 has so many ladies, you will very likely find someone you like and for much cheaper.

4. No luck on TF with subscription. First question I ask is if the lady freelances. Most did not respond. Some that did never messaged again.

I had a few questions as well (I have RTFF):

1. One lady from Soi 6 I barfined the previous day sent me angry Line texts after she spotted me heading to another bar on the street. This happened even though I told her during our first interaction that I am butterfly. Could I have prevented her being (fake?) upset? Not sure what her expectation was.

2. A lot of the ladies I bought a drink asked if I have a girlfriend. Are they asking about my previous barfining history? Or if I have a girlfriend back home? Or something else? I remember reading somewhere that Pattaya's entertainment industry is built around GFE but in this forum, I see lots of people here not sticking around with one lady. Am I missing something?

3. Do I need do something more to get better response on TF? My profile only had one face-to-waist photo. Is that enough? How long do you all spend messaging ladies on TF? It sure felt like a lot of work to do.

Please reply / message me if you spot any behaviour I can improve for a better experience for myself or the ladies.[/QUOTE]Pretty brutal if you're not getting ladies hitting you up on TF. I think for most guys the moment they sign up they are inundated with messages from freelancers.

[QUOTE=Shikhar10;2943646]Thanks for responding. I would be happy to spend more at Soi 6 but what do I do with the money exactly? I was already offering LDs to women I fancied. What more could I do?[/QUOTE]Not much. These ladies have a choice of who they want to fuck and not fuck. We are not buying a product are we? Just an hour of time from a person for their service and they have the choice to choose their client for many reasons. We can increase our odds but there are certain girls who even refuse to go with western white guys apparently if you read some of their reports here. There is already a hue and cry about it in Philippines forum and to a smaller extent in Thai forums. Girls prefer Asians like Koreans and Japs more, then come westerners, then Middle East and finally Desis.

The places that offer lineups such as soapies are more suitable for a sure shot selection. AFAIK, yet to read a report where a Soapie lady has turned down a client. Probably a 99% chance of nothing going wrong there. However the ladies are usually older, padded with makeup and the mechanical nature of sex ruins it.

[QUOTE=LoneWolff;2943798]... Just swim in the waters available to you and have fun and be grateful that you had the opportunity to do what millions of others could not...[/QUOTE]Absolutely. I am happy with my experience. I wanted to post about the not-so-positive experiences anyway, so that other first-timers from India can calibrate expectations accordingly.

[QUOTE=LoneWolff;2943798]I wouldn't waste my time on TF. It's for people who spend months and years living there. For the weekenders, you are better off at the places you already visited.[/QUOTE]Okay.

[QUOTE=LoneWolff;2943820]... These ladies have a choice of who they want to fuck and not fuck. We are not buying a product are we? ... they have the choice to choose their client for many reasons ...[/QUOTE]Of course. I did not mean otherwise.

Thanks for your response, LoneWolff.

[QUOTE=LoneWolff;2943798]I wouldn't waste my time on TF.[/QUOTE]It's for people who spend months and years living there. For the weekenders, you are better off at the places you already visited. Ok, so that is your opinion and you are welcome to it. But I am going offer mine, except mine is supported by documentation.

[U]Example I[/U]

First week I was here I met three girls off of Thai Friendly and reported about it. All great experiences! 1000 - 1500 THB. Was told they were ugly just because of the price that I paid. In fact, there were those telling me I was lying on my dick. Now look at them. Choking on their mother fucking foot cause they didn't wash it before putting it in their mouth! If it doesn't taste so good, then make sure you know what you are talking about before you start beating on your keyboard.

[U]Example II[/U]

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2940342]Why not just use Thai Friendly? I've been here almost 3 weeks now and I've only been using TF to source my providers. I've been paying on average 1200 baht per session and the majority of them are BBFS. I never pay for no stupid lady drinks or even regular drinks for that matter. If I want a drink I go to Tops Daily where they sell the big green bottles of Singha beer for 64 baht. The whole concept of barfines and lady drinks is absurd. But to each his own I suppose.

Gabacho Out.[/QUOTE]It is Gabacho's first visit to Pattaya, Thailand. And he has been running up into Thai girls since wheels down.

[QUOTE=LoneWolff;2943798]I wouldn't waste my time on TF.[/QUOTE]Tell me again my brother why you have this opinion? On what basis are you provide this opinion to us?

[QUOTE=Allover;2941900]He has to comment on every post[/QUOTE]I comment on what I know. Have you ever seen a post from me about a soapie massage place? No you have not. Why? Because I have not been to one. If others followed that simple rule then we would not have to wade through so many bullshit posts like ones that [B]Mogwai[/B] likes to throw up.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2943388]I did post quite a lot in the pastBut in the end it became boring and too time consuming to write reviews.[/QUOTE]This mother fucker wrote a post to say he does not post anymore. [B]WTF?![/B].

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2943817]... I think for most guys the moment they sign up they are inundated with messages from freelancers.[/QUOTE]For better privacy, I have removed myself from TF search. Only the ladies I send a message to can see my profile.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2943893]It is important to me for a girl to refuse me. That way I would have been saved from a bad experience of poor service from a girl who really does not want to be with me. In China I was refused occasionally but I was also with girls who clearly did not want to be with me, one even cried during the deed. I prefer to be refused which gives me an opportunity to be with a girl who will give good service.[/QUOTE]It's easy for ladies to say "I have period, cannot go to the room. Thanks for the 40 drinks. "

[QUOTE=TonyEm;2943572]How long do they stay usually? Cool reports.[/QUOTE]Anywhere from 45 min to about 90 mins. I've just been doing ST not LT.

[QUOTE=Allover;2944315]Shots fired, no. The sub has been sunk.[/QUOTE]Sub, as in ship? I always thought it was Subway, as in sandwich.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2944405]Sub, as in ship? I always thought it was Subway, as in sandwich.[/QUOTE]I thought it was about a boat, a reference to keeping a firm grasp on the seamen.

Just a different experience? Today I read interesting, opinions, debates, insults but my motto is really to each his own, that includes, age, looks, price, and locations.

A few days late, last Friday I was set to take a family friend out but he ended up cancelling he is the type of guy old stubborn mule who thinks when in Thailand do as the Thais do! I warned him do not eat those what I label " Blood Clams " from market or anywhere. He did a bit over a dozen got a call a few hours later please take me to the hospital my advice, boil some hot water and shit it out.

So with a free night out plans already kind of made I set out on my own. Started out at Soi Buahkao Prime Burger, treated myself to a double and large curly fries, topped it off with a apple pie and vanilla Ice cream I was jacked walked out just across was Tree Town crossed stood in front of the famously mentioned " Bus Bar " didn't see a brother so I did my usual walk around Tree town starting left to right. Usually I see a few that catches my attention maybe it was too early but nothing on the other end not as popular many that were open just a month ago were not closed particularly the path leading to the old Made in Thailand. One notable is " Escape AKA Devil Den " even before the name DD was added during or right after Covid tons of baht was thrown into this place it was supposed to be a hybrid type of place GC then a GoGo at night. Same with the now huge vacant building set in the middle of Tree Town so called " Beach Club " looked like a great idea but another failed. One club girls sitting outside just before the corner bar Candy once name Andy had a half dozen young girls outside playing with their phone. Can't remember the name gaining in age memory and eyesight not what it suppose to be.

Plan was to hit WS. Without friend I continued the journey since I had indicated to a lady friend who my friend met a while back wanted to try to hook up with. She is now older 48, still needs to work but looks 38, her feet damaged don't want to dance so she works outside waving in customers. I've know this lady for over 10 years from another Gogo, who I once had as a gik, she was friends of that gik, help me out a number of times making excuses since she had a BF, through that relationship we got close so close I met her BF then even had dinner with them a number of times been to their house and met her mother. Lets say she is a veteran started very young like most we always kept in touch from time to time we flirt with each other come BF me or she hasn't had any sex stuff, I go along like a Thai man with my sweet mouth. When I had that gik at this Gogo I had a number of girls I like she was one of them but later it kind of became like a brother sister thing funny cause she still would flirt it was tough for me to screw something one refer to me as her brother.

Last discussion she was waving customers outside Faranhelt, said she plans to move a few doors down to the new Shark Club, referring to monopoly, this group the banner if still there will list the number of GoGo they run, a few I remember Skyfall, Bliss, Palace, Faranhelt, ? As noted the group that runs Pin Up, XS, has not taken over the space with the closing of IIvy, naming it Chicks?

Soon I gather we will be talking about WS like we are talking about Soi 6, these owners group have a plan the results are obvious to me at least.

When I walked by didn't see her outside Faranhelt, try to Line her no reply so decided where so I go to kill sometime. Wanted to go XS but too many girls now working there who I know from Bacarra so decided to walk and visit Pin Up again. A few weeks ago some kind of party very crowded didn't get a good seat but this night not busy go placed right between the two stages. Usually I order a draft but I needed something stronger to burn the beef I ate off so Sangsom on the rocks. I notice this time without the draft every waitress walking by didn't check my bin every few minutes having a good seat able to see better I was able to see all three groups. Looks to each his own but for a long time last time I saw a girl that fit my bill was years ago before Covid in Bangkok? What is that place around the corner from Soi Cowboy other end from Asoke.

She wore White seem to be a younger group that remove their tops. Her number was 401, best looking girl I've seen in a long long time white skin 21-25 tops no tattoos perfect type of tits not too big or small they stand up what I term like a chocolate kiss before you unwrap the foil. Within seconds of me spotting her not like I was going to buy her drinks or BF, waitress got her attention she turn and smile indicating to me it was a former customer I realize after it was a couple. With my taste I never know what it is going to be then I spot another shorter, darker, older late 20's big eyes which I like real quiet and shy demeanor #135, if I was to spend money I would surely do her before 401. After two rounds time to hit the road after walking out as I walked pass One night Jack the club next door I run into former Gik now older waving in customers beg me to come in but I made an excuse things aren't the same plus I got a curfew LOL. As I started leave I turn boy was I getting the stink eye that can kill.

Back down to Faranhelt, as to old gik so call good friend then but nothing so I walk past into Soi 15, to get to my bike other end 2nd road just as I near motorbike standing at corner catching Songthaw was her said she isn't working until new club is opened. Small talk we I ended up taking her down 3rd Road to Thai place to eat near her apartment these Thai girls love that " Moo got Ta " they can eat I was surprised she ask to order a small bottle of Hong Tong with bucket of Ice. Chic Chat catching up she seems happy really flirting she does look good for her age take real good care of her body to be honest she is the last on the list of girls from this gogo I haven't fuck.

The subject did come up although she works really don't want to go with your friend the only one she plans to sleep with is me! Now I'm sitting there as old as my ass is I'm thinking I got no game like Mr. E, I couldn't get free pussy on my best day even when I was young. I don't know in H. S. How many girls I missed out on because I couldn't even ask I would shit in my pants, I certainly not the Sub or any of you but yet here I was thinking can I get it up for someone who keeps referring me to her brother " love you brother " but continues to flirt every chance and I being the dog flirts back I joke I don't want to buy the car I just want to test drive you know my situation. But as we know if there are those who don't a Thai girl women don't give a shit if you are married or taken.

She just smiles, for me the apex of excitement these days is being invited to her own personal room which was just up the Soi from where we were eating. She indicated problem her daugther a Tom who I have met 25, is staying with her now although working so I pull the trigger took a big chance that she wasn't expecting me to buy the car we headed up the Soi behind Big see, to my favorite ST, Viva, it was a bit uncomfortable at first until we got into the shower. Regardless, one thing about these older ones who don't get the attention in clubs as much any longer no Boyfriend was she giving me the buy the car sell. When she says she doesn't get BF nor had any in a while " yea right " but I've not seen a Beaver in a while.

Now I cross my finger and hope the problems don't start! This is clearly an experience where the LBM was the one in charge!

Arrive in Bangkok 5 am and had a taxi waiting to take me to Pattaya. Once, I arrived in Pattaya at 7 am I was staying at the Grand Ave condo. This is my first visit to Thailand. I am a South American and Middle East monger I been playing those areas since 2005. Okay let's get into day 1 woke at 12 noon and I went to exchange money at TT while walking I walk past a massage and I decided to get a 300 baht oil massage (this didn't go well) I didn't ask the required question before getting the massage I ended up paying 1300 baht to get jerked off topless (I been reading the Thailand section a lot). Next I head to village market and got some groceries and liquor. Then at about 5:30 I went out again I wanted to visit Heaven above and Maggie mays. It's was too early for heaven above so I went to Maggie mays and had a few drinks and brought a girl 1 lady drinks (the girl jerked me at the bar) I asked how much to go up stairs and she says 1500 for the girl and 400 baht for room. I want to see as much as I could in the first night so I pressed on to 711 and saw a nice Thai girl coming out. I asked where I could purchase a vape so gave me the directions and as I am about walk pass the place to buy the vape she stop on a motto and points the place again. I ask in Thai "where you go" and then I say in Thai " we go together " so I hop on the motto and she says she work at a bar so off we go (I will circle back with the name of the bar on day 2) we get to her bar on Soi Honey and I order a drink for me and a lady for her she sits with me and 1 by 1 the other other girls in the bar come and say Hello,; she asks me if I like any of the girls and I say I like you baby and I want you. See smiles (then she goes to the cash register and cashes out a customer) when she gets back she tell me she is the Masan and cashier and not working. We sit and talk more and I am feeling her up and I open her top a little to see her tits. She say " she is on her period and I do feel a pad. Next I tell her I will go sleep a little then go to a disco. So I left and took a motto to beach Road since it was about 9 pm. Beach road was lined with a lot of working women and I started to take 1 but I remember Soi 6 was close by. So I made my way down the Soi 6 being grabbed so many time (Soi 6 has some nice women) I walk the whole block and turn around looking for the girls that had caught my eye. I spoke with maybe 3 girls and I ask how much. Their quotes were 2000 baht and 400 baht for the room, the next girl said 1500 baht and 400 for the room (I kept walking). Then, I saw Tina again and I asked here how much for boom boom she says 1000 baht and 300 baht for the room. I say ok I we went to her bar (Desire Soi 6) I buy a drink and a lady drink and we talk then we head up to the room where she showers come back I started with her on top and then I was smashing her from behind. I finish in missionary. . the had long nipples and the body was nice. We exchanged number so we can meet up at Club Flex at 2 am. I left Soi 6 took a 60 baht motto to my place. I was saying to myself that I would take a hour sleep then go to mystic club or republic club but I didn't wake up until just now. I really wanted to see the go go and the club scene last night but I was too tired.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2943029]Im very interested to see how these uzbekis look. Perhaps someone on the ground can get a picture of inside the club or explain where exactly these Russian FLs are standing in the club. I might as well check it out on my next visit but based on google map picture reviews, I dont see any non-indian women, only massive crowds of a bunch of guys.[/QUOTE]This is the kind of Uzbek girls you'll find in the Indian clubs in Pattaya.

10 K bahts if you're interrested.

....and it looks like she has no issues ratting you out too.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2945123]This is the kind of Uzbek girls you'll find in the Indian clubs in Pattaya.
10 K bahts if you're interrested.[/QUOTE]That's about 1K baht per 10kg.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2945123]This is the kind of Uzbek girls you'll find in the Indian clubs in Pattaya.

10 K bahts if you're interrested.[/QUOTE]Looks Turkish, pretends to be Russian.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2945484]Mr E is special. He gets Pin up models to clean his room too.[/QUOTE]Lets not stretch things! I've seen Mr. E in action a number of times he didn't even know I was there like a fly on the wall. Not a lotof people can do what he does when I refer to him about " game " not saying I want to be him many here attack him because they can't.

He isn't getting Pin Up models to clean his room but from the ones I've seen not too far behind.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2945123]This is the kind of Uzbek girls you'll find in the Indian clubs in Pattaya.

10 K bahts if you're interrested.[/QUOTE]If anyone interested for Uzbek or CIS girls, go to Central asian countries or to Delhi or even Dubai eventhough little expensive. Catch them according to ones tastes. In Pattaya look for a Issan girls. He he.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2945645]I've seen Mr. E in action a number of times he didn't even know I was there like a fly on the wall. Not a lotof people can do what he does when I refer to him about " game " not saying I want to be him many here attack him because they can't.

He isn't getting Pin Up models to clean his room but from the ones I've seen not too far behind.[/QUOTE]I like Mr E. He states the base price (i.e. Local price). Then I use that info in my equation / formula.

But sometimes he doesn't state the fine print. Several years ago, he wrote that he got a girl (who everyone said he couldn't get at his price) 5 months later. The fine print is that he had to wait 5 months.

I use his info. Several years ago in the Bogota thread, he said the most you should pay a SW for an hour was 80 K. So I offered 100 K, and the girls immediately accepted, and they did everything I wanted without me having to offer a tip for the extras.

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A week late but late Saturday with no rain finally was able to get able with my brother and long time child friend visiting who stays on the Darkside at a local resort. In a month he pretty much exhausted all the GC's, he was also the one who I noted ate those Thai Blood Clams and got his boxers stained. LOL.

We started parking at 3rd and Pothole our bikes, ate at the Hotman on the corner, good inexpensive Thai food. After we decided to walk down Soi PotHole we stopped in front of the Den girls calling out in Korean, Japanese, Chinese, a few acceptable in my book. Undecided I was looking around right in front of what else " Maggie Mays " I took them what I have heard so got them to lets try it while the girls outside were calling out to us. Size not indicative of performance we walked in should have know very narrow and small not what I expected to be honest hesitant I could see from my brother and friend face as we walked slowly to the back where pool table was located. Although there were space in the back lounge booth to the right the mirror made the place look bigger but not for us so I politely took the girl next time better if I come alone. Funny, all I can think of in such a small place BananaBoi getting his dick sucked on the couch while pool was being played LOL To each his own but not my thing. I'm use to larger places GC reason still my favorite Kinnaree.

So out we went in front of High Roller, my brother gets a call out from a girl he knows hasn't seen in years. Of Course we go in as large as the place we were the only customer for a Saturday. Of course her friends tags along wanted their fair share of drinks. They tagged team my our friend my brother girls tells them I'm a seasoned vet and don't buy drinks nor want a girl to sit he is just a tour guy now. LOL.

As my brother and friend warming up to girls, mamasan trying to get us to buy trays of drinks we politely decline finally she gets the hint. The a girl walks by shocked surprise it was a showgirl who was good friends with my former Gik, from W. S. Way prior to Covid. I was shocked cause even then she had hooked married to a Japanese guy who managed a factory near Bangkok. I've been around them even attended many Thai function with them. Shocked because as a couple seem happy and I'm always wish those who can leave the business good luck appreciate what they have now with a foreigner. As a MP once noted after he got his butt kicked out of Government said " if you want a better life marry a foreigner " But there is much more than money when it comes to us foreigners.

So to catch up I buy her a drink meantime my brother, friend, said they wanted to ST, so deal was struck of they went I said I would wait for them drinking with the girl who in the pass was one I had no problem doing if she wasn't taken but now she wasn't well? What I didn't expect living a Thai life here a night out I don't want to hear or see the be. S, but here I was sitting letting her cry on my shoulders. I didn't give much advice cause she didn't ask nor she seem capable of hearing the truth offering when they aren't receptive is like setting off a AK47!

But her story was classic seen and heard it a million times, not completely her fault but when you have women raised with little education brainwashed basically that women are a piece of meat secondary they in general have low self esteem about themselves having can easily we sway to think and do things they shouldn't. As she talked the key factor whenever a girl is getting support start to drink with friends and eat Som Tom and Thai finger food that is when trouble is coming! The girls usually like flies comes to be friends cause they want something and someone paying for the food and drinks is the first attraction the second is the money comes from a sponsor or a foreigner. The freeloaders from the same start to compare they are jealous like most of Thailand they never experience but heard rumor! Normally, if you are with a farang you should work they should give you so much a month they get this fantasy from watching soaps that if you are with a Farang they all have money so they dream and act out these fantasys nice car etc.

Then these jealous girls if the girl wants to work they talk down to them that they do with low self esteem not educated enough to talk back and reason loss of face. This in the end, comes back to the farang. Just wanting a night out free here I'am sitting thinking wanting to tell her here is where you went wrong you demanded what because you heard from you freeloading friends that they heard girls with farangs are getting what! The picture that here friends miss look around, house, car, not having to spread your legs any longer.

So in the end, Here I was thinking in the beginning I'm going to take her ST, by the time my brother and friend return there was no way I was getting it up. My tab was 2000 baht drinks for myself and her Too Entrenched!

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2946325] " Maggie Mays " <snip> Funny, all I can think of in such a small place BananaBoi getting his dick sucked on the couch while pool was being played LOL To each his own but not my thing. I'm use to larger places GC reason still my favorite Kinnaree.[/QUOTE]WTF how did my name come up? I've been to MM once, talked to a bearded guy at the bar for under 5 minutes, and left. I'm a Kinnaree guy.

You sure you weren't thinking of Explorer with a tray of Tequilas and a harem of girls. Each girl competing in a special talent show to win the rights to be his next travel buddy.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2946328]WTF how did my name come up? I've been to MM once, talked to a bearded guy at the bar for under 5 minutes, and left. I'm a Kinnaree guy.

You sure you weren't thinking of Explorer with a tray of Tequilas and a harem of girls. Each girl competing in a special talent show to win the rights to be his next travel buddy.[/QUOTE]No disrespect I remember you responded not that it happen at MM, if wrong person my apoligise!

You responded you enjoy GC sitting in lounge area getting a blowjob in open somehow that stuck in my head LOL.

Another apologise!

As many know my grammar isn't where it suppose to be I wrote my experience quick read it back just now if I didn't write wouldn't know WTF the post was about.

Sorry but I guess BB part was OK, LOL.

I'm taking the keyboard to try a little financial recap of my last stay for those who are interested since after the buttocks the most recurrent subject concerns prices and expenses (and also one of those that unleashes the most passions). It is of course about expenses incurred on personal priorities and choices.

As for me, I wanted to have a rather quiet stay without traveling and without visiting, once is not customary, I stayed in Pattaya mainly, like a real retiree, to see how it feels.

Pattaya stay from August 21 to September 9, 2024 (20 days) + 2 days Bangkok:

- Direct return flight Paris <> Suvarnabhumi with Thai Airways in economy class: €877.

- Condo accommodation on soi Buakhaow about 50 m2, large swimming pool, quiet, rather well equipped, for me ideally located between WS and LK Metro (20 days): €790.

- Hotel next to Asok / Bangkok 4 stars on [URL]booking.com[/URL] (2 days): €170.

- Girls (17 days of fucking here and there, mostly on ThaiFriendly this time and the last 5 days with my regular of the moment in VLT): €1074.

- Taxis, songtaews and motobike taxis: €175.

- Bars and gogos: €430.

- Food at the supermarket, take away, a bit of grab food and miscellaneous: €723 .

Total: €4,239 or averaged over the stay: €192 / day all inclusive.

Expenses on site (excluding flight, accommodation): €2,402 or €110 / day.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2946451]
Expenses on site (excluding flight, accommodation): 2,402 or 110 / day.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that breakdown. My on site expenses are probably a bit higher, but not much. Numbers like that give newbies a baseline for budgeting a trip. I'm sure people have great trips for less than 110 Euros per day on site.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2946455] I'm sure people have great trips for less than 110 Euros per day on site.[/QUOTE]Yes of course. I eat mostly Western cuisine and I drink wine which is expensive on site in Thailand. You can find accommodation and flights much cheaper too. I have not detailed the content of the cost items, I might have the opportunity to do so on another occasion. Concerning the girls I had the opportunity to develop a little in previous posts.

Here it is just a question of illustrating what an envelope of expenses can be on a stay by an example on myself since it is the one I know best. So it is just a testimony. All expenses are eminently subjective and are subject to the choices and priorities of each person which will necessarily be different.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2946328]WTF how did my name come up? I've been to MM once, talked to a bearded guy at the bar for under 5 minutes, and left. I'm a Kinnaree guy.

You sure you weren't thinking of Explorer with a tray of Tequilas and a harem of girls. Each girl competing in a special talent show to win the rights to be his next travel buddy.[/QUOTE]WTF how did my name come up? I've never bought a tray of tequila water in my life. More fun to have the lady come to my condo to drink real tequila.

Anyway, I'm in Medellíand now.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2946451]I'm taking the keyboard to try a little financial recap of my last stay for those who are interested since after the buttocks the most recurrent subject concerns prices and expenses (and also one of those that unleashes the most passions). It is of course about expenses incurred on personal priorities and choices.

As for me, I wanted to have a rather quiet stay without traveling and without visiting, once is not customary, I stayed in Pattaya mainly, like a real retiree, to see how it feels.

Pattaya stay from August 21 to September 9, 2024 (20 days) + 2 days Bangkok:

- Direct return flight Paris <> Suvarnabhumi with Thai Airways in economy class: 877.

- Condo accommodation on soi Buakhaow about 50 m2, large swimming pool, quiet, rather well equipped, for me ideally located between WS and LK Metro (20 days): 790.

- Hotel next to Asok / Bangkok 4 stars on [URL]booking.com[/URL] (2 days): 170.

- Girls (17 days of fucking here and there, mostly on ThaiFriendly this time and the last 5 days with my regular of the moment in VLT): 1074.

- Taxis, songtaews and motobike taxis: 175.

- Bars and gogos: 430.

- Food at the supermarket, take away, a bit of grab food and miscellaneous: 723 .

Total: 4,239 or averaged over the stay: 192 / day all inclusive.

Expenses on site (excluding flight, accommodation): 2,402 or 110 / day.[/QUOTE]So about per girl rate of $250 USD for short time or roughly 4850 Mex Pesos for pinoche. Ouch. Holy guacamole. But as long as you had a fun time. Next time, get your free breakfast at the Holiday Inn and save some baht. And one should walk more, it saves money and helps with longevity and health. My question, is the old city built above dead graves that lacking of decent hot croissants buns for 225 euros a fuck? One would think, there would be plenty of hot French maids available for that money spent.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2946374]Another apologise!

As many know my grammar isn't where it suppose to be I wrote my experience quick read it back just now if I didn't write wouldn't know WTF the post was about.

Sorry but I guess BB part was OK, LOL.[/QUOTE]Apologies accepted. Your Me E reference s were a bit strange to say the least.

I thought you might have been on the Bottle.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2946451]

Total: 4,239 or averaged over the stay: 192 / day all inclusive.

Expenses on site (excluding flight, accommodation): 2,402 or 110 / day.[/QUOTE]I appreciate you posting this. While I think most visitors spend less than you did, I think Westerners should budget 90-100 Euros per day just to be safe. We often get requests on this board for how much money to bring and this would be helpful for a first time visitor.

[QUOTE=Allover;2946628]..... I think Westerners should budget 90-100 Euros per day just to be safe......[/QUOTE]Damn! Am I really a cheap Charlie?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2946939]Damn! Am I really a cheap Charlie?[/QUOTE]Doubt you qualify as a Cheap Charlie. People come on the board from time to time asking how much money to bring and I think Pimpampoumpipo's post serves as a good starting point for budgeting. Obviously the currency exchange rate, western food, drinking habits, and quality of hotels matters. No doubt a decent Pattaya hotel, while reasonably priced, will cost more than a roach infested, 49 sq meter condo off the beaten path (and off the baht bus route) in Jomtien.

[QUOTE=Allover;2946628]I appreciate you posting this. We often get requests on this board for how much money to bring and this would be helpful for a first time visitor.[/QUOTE][B]You are welcome[/B]

First time visitor please note my posts in the Pattaya Hotels thread from the last time I was in [I]visitor mode[/I]: First Place I stayed was [B]View Talay 6[/B].

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2865660][B]View Talay 6 remains my recommended choice for a first trip to Pattaya.[/B][/QUOTE]Finished up [I]visitor mode[/I] in View Talay 5 (17,000 THB / month).

A 49 m2 room that was completely remodeled with a full kitchen complete with oven. There was a breakfast nook where ATF would share our morning tea and meals she prepared for me. It had an ocean view, King Size Bed, 65" Television, Bathroom with rain shower, and shower massage wand. The room was completed with a couch, coffee table and a chase.

The building had 24 hours security, Laundry Shop, Massage shop, Law Firm, Travel Agency, and a fully stocked grocery store. The building sits right on a Baht bus route. Has an exit to the rear of the complex that it puts you right on the street. Cross it and you are on Jomtiem beach. Now I actually stayed there for more than a month. [B]Did not see a single roach[/B] inside my building or my room. [B]LOL![/B].

For those of little faith and less knowledge my independently google the reviews of [B]View Talay 5[/B]. There is a full report on my perceptions of [B]View Talay 5[/B] for all who are interested. I got tired of the 20 minute Baht Bus ride into Central Pattaya. So that is why I would not recommend it for a first time visitor or anyone who wants to be in the middle of the action.

I was phasing out of [I]visitor mode[/I], easing myself off of the tourist economy and adjusting my lifestyle to one of continuous living. The distance did not prevent any girls off to Thai Friendly from visiting me nor did the charge extra. Even if it was 0200 they were there in 20 minutes +plus time for hair clothes and make up.

I have been here in Pattaya uninterrupted by trips to other countries with Thai girls for over a month. That gives me 365+ RONs. I'll put that number up against the RON count from any visitor currently posting. Holla!

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2943559][b]At least Sub posts reports[/b]. Whether you love him or hate him, he contributes useful info.[/QUOTE]That's right. I am [U]allover[/U] this shit!

[B]How you like me now?[/B]

[QUOTE=Shikhar10;2943844]For better privacy, I have removed myself from TF search. Only the ladies I send a message to can see my profile.[/QUOTE]I read your lengthy post about experience in Pattaya. I am a fellow Indian, average built and decent looking. This has been my experience too.

I have been to Pattaya back when I was 24 yrs old, then later when I was 28,32, 35 and early this year when I am in my early 40's. This has always been my experience. I am usually dressed decently, but not flashy. I leave my gold chain, ring, watch etc back in my room when I am mongering.

It does not matter how you look, these establishments are racists and don't want Indians there. It leaves a bad taste in your mouth when you Know that you have the money to spend and you would usually spend more than any average customer, but they just won't let you in.

Mostly the girls in soi 6 bars also ignore you.

The best bet is Thai Friendly, but it takes a lot of work to get the type of girls you like. I like young slim and petite girls. I usually message all the girls I like and be very upfront about my requirements. Like I want long time, BJ etc. It takes effort, but atleast you won't get rejected.

Also, in my experience, having a Thai girl with you, gets you entry to some places. I have never tried taking a girl to a go go bar, but clubs which deny you entry usually let you in if you are with a girl.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2850371]My guess for why last high season was packed and high tourists numbers was the pent up demand from people not being able to travel due to Covid. We're well over a year now since the world reopened so to speak and travel across the globe has seen record numbers. But I think that post Covid demand starts to fizzle soon and places like Thailand won't see as busy high seasons for a while.

Global recession incoming, people's savings from Covid and government stimulus checks are about exhausted. Saw a stat that almost half Americans only have $1,000 or less in savings. I think that is likely indicative of the rest of the world.

Pattaya currently is pretty dead, especially compared to this time last year. I took a walk down Soi Pothole the other night and no customer in sight but a crap ton of ladies working and hollering for handsome man to buy drink. Honestly the ladyboys were better looking than the ladies on Soi Pothole.

I get multiple massages a day and all the ladies complain about a lack of customers and how slow it is.

Still amazes me on how many ladies insist on 1,500-2,500 for ST with so little customers. They're in for a rude awakening once the global economy really starts to melt, they'll be begging for 800 baht ST soon enough. Just my humble prediction.[/QUOTE]I really wish this price prediction would have panned out LOL.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2946946]For example when I was a visitor: My food costs were all over the place. Insanely high for Farang food. Next to nothing for Thai Food.[/QUOTE]Example: Ribeye from Australia - 890 THB; Khao Man Gai - 50 THB;.

Question is still on the table if anyone is consistently paying [B]less than 1000 THB for Short Time[/B]. If not, should I increase my price point to [B]1200 THB and pay for Long Time[/B]?

[QUOTE=GoingInBig005;2947178]I really wish this price prediction would have panned out LOL.[/QUOTE]It can happen, you just need to make it happen. We have been instructed that all you have to do is just ask for it. The person who said this will remain unnamed.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2850371]My guess for why last high season was packed and high tourists numbers was the pent up demand from people not being able to travel due to Covid. We're well over a year now since the world reopened so to speak and travel across the globe has seen record numbers. But I think that post Covid demand starts to fizzle soon and places like Thailand won't see as busy high seasons for a while.

Global recession incoming, people's savings from Covid and government stimulus checks are about exhausted. Saw a stat that almost half Americans only have $1,000 or less in savings. I think that is likely indicative of the rest of the world.

Pattaya currently is pretty dead, especially compared to this time last year. I took a walk down Soi Pothole the other night and no customer in sight but a crap ton of ladies working and hollering for handsome man to buy drink. Honestly the ladyboys were better looking than the ladies on Soi Pothole.

I get multiple massages a day and all the ladies complain about a lack of customers and how slow it is..[/QUOTE]Well, High Season last year was so crowded, I bailed from Pattaya in early January and didn't come back for two months. And it was still crowded in late March.

There was no global recession. Plus, the US stock market is skyrocketing, so lots of people have disposable income.

I would look forward to another crowded High Season.

Pro tip: don't come to Pattaya between December 20 and January 8, unless you like big crowds and high prices.

As my travel date to land of the smiles nears, random questions have been popping into my mind. The latest is about lady drinks. I've got a few questions surrounding this topic. I know nothing is a given, but as a general rule, when you purchase a lady drink is there legit alcohol in it or is it just BS? These women truly enjoy drinking with you getting a little loose maybe a party atmosphere or they just pouring some soda or colored water into a glass for them? LOL also, is there a difference at the gentlemen clubs versus the gogo bars, I've always viewed the idea of purchasing lady drinks as an opportunity to gauge how the girl might be in your room with you. If she's flirty and playful and just seemingly having a fun open personality, then the lady drink would seem like it's totally worth it to spend a few just to feel her out. What are the chances you can get into some heavy petting in the bar going both directions if you purchased a few lady drinks? Is this common? I've read that it happens on this forum, but I wonder how common it is for her to get a little feel in and you get feel her up a little well before you take her out. And last question surrounding this topic, assuming you get a date like maybe off a tie friendly what are the chances that some of these girls are down for like having drinks getting loose, more of a party type atmosphere rather than just wham Bam and leaving? As always, any information or advice is greatly appreciated. I need to make the most out of this trip.

[QUOTE=GettingTang;2947314]as a general rule, when you purchase a lady drink is there legit alcohol in it or is it just BS? These women truly enjoy drinking with you getting a little loose maybe a party atmosphere or they just pouring some soda or colored water into a glass for them? [/QUOTE]These are hookers. They do not need to be drinking to get a little loose. The purpose of a lady drink is for the bar to make money and the girl to make money. Many girls live off lady drinks and are not there to fuck. Are you going there to fuck or to find a drinking buddy? If option 1 then I suggest you ask about fucking before you start buying drinks. If option 2, then cheers.

[QUOTE=GettingTang;2947314]As my travel date to land of the smiles nears, random questions have been popping into my mind. The latest is about lady drinks. I've got a few questions surrounding this topic. I know nothing is a given, but as a general rule, when you purchase a lady drink is there legit alcohol in it or is it just BS? These women truly enjoy drinking with you getting a little loose maybe a party atmosphere or they just pouring some soda or colored water into a glass for them? LOL also, is there a difference at the gentlemen clubs versus the gogo bars, I've always viewed the idea of purchasing lady drinks as an opportunity to gauge how the girl might be in your room with you. If she's flirty and playful and just seemingly having a fun open personality, then the lady drink would seem like it's totally worth it to spend a few just to feel her out. What are the chances you can get into some heavy petting in the bar going both directions if you purchased a few lady drinks? Is this common? I've read that it happens on this forum, but I wonder how common it is for her to get a little feel in and you get feel her up a little well before you take her out. And last question surrounding this topic, assuming you get a date like maybe off a tie friendly what are the chances that some of these girls are down for like having drinks getting loose, more of a party type atmosphere rather than just wham Bam and leaving? As always, any information or advice is greatly appreciated. I need to make the most out of this trip.[/QUOTE]Don't overthink it dude. See it, buy it a drink if necessary, bar fine it, fuck it, repeat.

If you want to play the flirty and playful game or spend time with them, go for it. Hanging with an english challenged girl with a second grade education is fine for some folks I guess, I just want to get them gobbling my minime as fast as possible so I can go have fun with another.

[QUOTE=GoingInBig005;2947178]I really wish this price prediction would have panned out LOL.[/QUOTE]For what it's worth, I still anticipate this happening, no one can predict when a crash will happen, but happen it will as all economic cycles are cyclical. I'm American, most Americans are now paycheck to paycheck. The US just cut interest rates which signals their concern over the economy and we are close to all out war in the middle east and Ukraine and America is at the center of both those wars. Shit can ugly out of nowhere and fast. And don't forget, markets started crashing on August 5th due to Japan and it's policy of zero interest. Once Japan decides to start raising interest rates, all economies will crash, August 5th is proof of that.

Enough economics, I spent a good portion of August and September in Pattaya and BKK. The girls in Pattaya were desperate and the girls I would meet would constantly text me to repeat, at a level I never experienced before. It's a sign of things to come in the future.

Just one man's 2 cents.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2947276]Pro tip: don't come to Pattaya between December 20 and January 8, unless you like big crowds and high prices.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't if I didn't have to, but I have had to leave my holiday until late this year and there is the bonus of extra time in Thailand due to Christmas and New Years Bank Holidays.

The next trip will be better, I arrive just after Songkran.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2947391]For what it's worth, I still anticipate this happening, no one can predict when a crash will happen, but happen it will as all economic cycles are cyclical. I'm American, most Americans are now paycheck to paycheck. The US just cut interest rates which signals their concern over the economy and we are close to all out war in the middle east and Ukraine and America is at the center of both those wars. Shit can ugly out of nowhere and fast. And don't forget, markets started crashing on August 5th due to Japan and it's policy of zero interest. Once Japan decides to start raising interest rates, all economies will crash, August 5th is proof of that.

Enough economics, I spent a good portion of August and September in Pattaya and BKK. The girls in Pattaya were desperate and the girls I would meet would constantly text me to repeat, at a level I never experienced before. It's a sign of things to come in the future..[/QUOTE]Lots of gloom and doom in your post.

Here's news for you: August and September are very quiet in Pattaya. Every year. Things start picking up in October, and by December, no one will be texting you.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2947391]I'm American, most Americans are now paycheck to paycheck.[/QUOTE]Always have been. We just have a thing called credit. Buy now, pay later.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2947494]Lots of gloom and doom in your post.

Here's news for you: August and September are very quiet in Pattaya. Every year. Things start picking up in October, and by December, no one will be texting you.[/QUOTE]No gloom and doom, simply being prepared for whatever transpires in the world.

And yes, I only go to Thailand in low season, there's a few months of high season and then the same girls will be sexting again. Rinse wash and repeat.

It is a disease a addiction we get use too. I still remember my first credit card from BOA, started me at $150.00.

Easy need something flip card out! Of course somethings tough to avoid car and house.

Not sure how I did it but at 55 when I left my job came here I was debt free the building I own rented out more than covered the mortgage. Last twenty debt free no checks to write it is a joy one of the greatest feelings.
Long ago here they started to issue cards to Thai, Behind a Thai in grocery or ATM, long wait many time they walk away no groceries or money. Motorbikes sold no down repossessed after 3 months.

Can someone go over all the name Changes of sgogos on Walk Street. Seems new Signage. New breed of money laundering,. Will see their money going into the metaverse and never coming back.

Hello girls hotter than the dancers is the Norm.

Last time I remember 7 hot girls on Soi 6. Two days in I've spotted 2.

Lots of SUB type girls. They are Everywhere.

Stock Markets will never Crash as long as FEd is printing money.

I could use a 25 % downturn. I got some losing credit call spread that need Help.

Go Pattaya.

[QUOTE=GettingTang;2947314]As my travel date to land of the smiles nears, random questions have been popping into my mind. The latest is about lady drinks. I've got a few questions surrounding this topic. I know nothing is a given, but as a general rule, when you purchase a lady drink is there legit alcohol in it or is it just BS? These women truly enjoy drinking with you getting a little loose maybe a party atmosphere or they just pouring some soda or colored water into a glass for them? LOL also, is there a difference at the gentlemen clubs versus the gogo bars, I've always viewed the idea of purchasing lady drinks as an opportunity to gauge how the girl might be in your room with you. If she's flirty and playful and just seemingly having a fun open personality, then the lady drink would seem like it's totally worth it to spend a few just to feel her out. What are the chances you can get into some heavy petting in the bar going both directions if you purchased a few lady drinks? Is this common? I've read that it happens on this forum, but I wonder how common it is for her to get a little feel in and you get feel her up a little well before you take her out. And last question surrounding this topic, assuming you get a date like maybe off a tie friendly what are the chances that some of these girls are down for like having drinks getting loose, more of a party type atmosphere rather than just wham Bam and leaving? As always, any information or advice is greatly appreciated. I need to make the most out of this trip.[/QUOTE]Depends on the venue. Gogos like Windmill and Kink you will have a naked girl grind you and you can grope all you want and make out for a few minutes. Other gogos they will come sit next to you and pretend to be some chaste princess. GC's they will expect to be manhandled while beer bars they will try to get you to play dice games or connect four. Up to you.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2920546]So sad to hear from you your troubles in Pattaya and Phuket EihTooms.

My only guess is that you must be a not so handsum man. 5555.

Seriously, come see me in Rawai next time you are in Phuket, and I'm pretty sure we can swing those odds around to way more in your favour of getting it as wanted.[/QUOTE]Exactly where in Rawai do you find such chicks bro. If this is the case I will definitely come to Rawai on my next Thailand trip. On my last week long trip to Bangkok and fucking every single night, I only got one chick to let me BBFS + creampie.

[QUOTE=GettingTang;2947314]As my travel date to land of the smiles nears, random questions have been popping into my mind. The latest is about lady drinks. I've got a few questions surrounding this topic. I know nothing is a given, but as a general rule, when you purchase a lady drink is there legit alcohol in it or is it just BS? These women truly enjoy drinking with you getting a little loose maybe a party atmosphere or they just pouring some soda or colored water into a glass for them? LOL also, is there a difference at the gentlemen clubs versus the gogo bars, I've always viewed the idea of purchasing lady drinks as an opportunity to gauge how the girl might be in your room with you. If she's flirty and playful and just seemingly having a fun open personality, then the lady drink would seem like it's totally worth it to spend a few just to feel her out. What are the chances you can get into some heavy petting in the bar going both directions if you purchased a few lady drinks? Is this common? I've read that it happens on this forum, but I wonder how common it is for her to get a little feel in and you get feel her up a little well before you take her out. And last question surrounding this topic, assuming you get a date like maybe off a tie friendly what are the chances that some of these girls are down for like having drinks getting loose, more of a party type atmosphere rather than just wham Bam and leaving? As always, any information or advice is greatly appreciated. I need to make the most out of this trip.[/QUOTE]One at a time:

1- Lady drinks more often than not have alcohol. Sometimes when the girl doesn't want to drink she will ask a soda or orange juice, very rarely you'll see a fake drink (water instead of tequila for example).

2- Getting hands on down at the bar really depends on the girl and the location. Do not expect it much to happen in open air bars of course. The best place for that is a dark corner in a dim gentlemen's club. The ladies that are most likely to get raunchy are usually the ones who have been in the business a long time. The new ones can be shy and not do much.

3- Having a freelancer hang out with you (for "free" really depends on what kind of guy you are. If you're young, fun and give them a good vibe they'll likely take the initiative and invite you as soon as the drinking / party subject comes up. If you're a grumpy old man that just appears to try to get the most of every situation then it's unlikely they'll want to spend any extra minute with you after the deed is done. If they think you have money there is also the possibility they'll just invite you over and later ask you to pay for the drinks (which can include several of her friends as well).

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2943029]Im very interested to see how these uzbekis look. Perhaps someone on the ground can get a picture of inside the club or explain where exactly these Russian FLs are standing in the club. I might as well check it out on my next visit but based on google map picture reviews, I dont see any non-indian women, only massive crowds of a bunch of guys.[/QUOTE]These Indian clubs have Insta pages, and they post regularly there. Just search and you will get a glimpse of the girls there.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2947494]Lots of gloom and doom in your post........[/QUOTE]Unfortunately doom and gloom is the reality today. Banks are insolvent and I believe after the elections are done, sometime in early 2025, there will be runs on banks and you will not be able to take money out. Today banks are telling customers that they are lenders and as such unsecured creditors. When you can't get money out they will tell you you should have read the fine print. The FDIC is BS in those circumstances. Best bet is to settle down with the hottest girl now as you soon would not have money to monger. Work on her mind to get her to love you even without money.
P.S. Buy gold and silver.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2947879]Unfortunately doom and gloom is the reality today. Banks are insolvent and I believe after the elections are done, sometime in early 2025, there will be runs on banks and you will not be able to take money out. Today banks are telling customers that they are lenders and as such unsecured creditors. When you can't get money out they will tell you you should have read the fine print. The FDIC is BS in those circumstances. Best bet is to settle down with the hottest girl now as you soon would not have money to monger. Work on her mind to get her to love you even without money.
P.S. Buy gold and silver.[/QUOTE]Brother Turgid unfortunately folks been saying that same rhetoric for decades now. Remember back in 2008 when the economy collapsed when banks where really going under left and right that the end was here. Yet here we are. We now just got to navigate thru the "Weird WTF Is This", when it comes to the banks, economy etc like we did when covid turn everbodys life upside down. We'll be fine. Just got to hold on to your cool.

Procrastinating Kills.

Was going to stay at I rover Hotel this weekend. $14 a night. I had 3 days to book. Log in today and it's SOLD Out. OMG. High season is here.

I was looking up various sites for a newbie visit to Pattaya and found this report from are*ddit. Note: I did not write this, so don't ask me any questions. I pasted it here for the benefit of others in the same position as me.

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Walking Street: it's a very long street leads to adult Disney world, it also has a couple of Soi's (soi means side street that connects to the main road) Walking street is the home of Pattaya's nightlife, it has everything, so expect to see gogo's, open air bars, live music bars, by the hour rooms, clubs, disco's, restaurants, freelancers, hotels, toilets, restaurants, ping pong venues, go cart tract, boutique stores, 7-11, street performers, even a fucking McDonald's and Burger King, it's really fucking amazing, you will see things, smell things, witness things, TAKE part in things you won't believe, fuck that movie hang over, they went to tame Bangkok not walking street, walking street has all the things below, did I mention it's amazing, you can " short time " and "Long time " here, some venues have on-site facilities, and also walking street is considered the gem of Pattaya nightlife so its going to be more expensive for drinks and bar fines, and donations to girls college funds.

You need deep pockets for walking street to engage with the girls.

You'll have to buy lady drinks to engage, pay bar fines here, no negotiation here, these girls want the princess treatment so your it cost $$ to spend time with them.

The Windmill, Sapphire.

Open around 7 pm, best to go around 11 pm or 12 am when various places forget where they put their panties, so expect all nude at some of the well known places.

Soi 6 : it's is a sight to behold, hot girls everywhere, sooo many girls vying to get your attention that it can be extremely overwhelming, just take a walk down this very long street and you'll be hooked, you can expect to mainly see open air bars and a few closed door gogo's, this is mainly a "short time " option area, usually if you choose a friend here you will use the venues on-site facilities, many like this area of Pattaya cause you don't have to necessarily buy lady drinks or play games, barely any ice breaking, you can quite literally see a girl that meets your fancy, tell her " short time " and in a few minutes you'll be upstairs or over in one of the by the hour rooms or pay a larger bar fine and take her out and go on an adventure.

This is a much cheaper option because of it being a short time area with on-site rooms, which means you can skip the lady drinks and even your drinks, the bar fine is very cheap because it's for the on-site room rental.

So many girls, I'm not kidding, all trying to get you to buy them a drink and take them upstairs or out of the bar.

This should NOT be a area you go to if your not ready for girls constantly grabbing at your dick.

Sexy in the City, Ruby Club.

No negotiation here.

Open around 3 pm.

All girls usually wear a cute uniform with their bars name on it or bra and panties, their is no nudity here till you get upstairs.

LK Metro: it's a mini walking street and boasts all that walking street has to offer and just as amazing and spectacular to boot, everyone used to come here to get all the benefits of walking street at a cheaper price but currently LK Metro is exploding with new life,(which means the prices went up on everything, and so did the talent as well) and in my opinion is LK Metro is outshining walking street at the moment, so the days of buying NY strip for flank steak prices are a thing of the past now.

Basically walking street.

You have to buy lady drinks to engage, bar fines, no negotiation here.

KINK, Sugar Sugar.

Open around 7 pm, best to go around 11 pm or 12 am when various places forget where they put their panties, so expect all nude at some of the well known places.

Soi Buakhao: the home of Tree Town Night Market, expect to see lots of street food and restaurants and other vendors and open air bars, Lots of freelancers here, if you like to get ripped with the expats come here, very friendly place to hangout as well, used to be tiny but became a behemoth during covid, its constantly improving trying to find its place in Pattaya's nightlife scene.

It's a pretty cool concept, freelancer heaven.

Cheap, food, girls, won't break the bank.

Open during the day.

Being this is freelance heaven the girls here are in plain clothes, no nudity until you take her somewhere private.

You have the option to buy lady drinks or even the girl a meal, but don't have to.

You can negotiate.

Soi Bonkot 8: Home of the Blow Job bars and more, this a row of venues that are very nice actually, they have full bars and usually cheap beers, usually full of 7's and on occasion a 10 (farm fresh girl that has yet to realize her value yet) they have on-site rooms for ST, these places have curtains if you don't want to use their on-site rooms, they call them BJ bars cause I lot of guys come her just for that and "forget" to close the curtain.

BJ's and more, these girls are sex-sperts at BJ's.

Cheap, very cheap.

If you have friends with you I recommend coming to these because you can usually have the entire place to yourselves.

Open early in the afternoon.

Bar fines, no negotiations.

Pirates, Purple, 007.

Soi Bonkot 5: gentleman's clubs here, they are gogo's with short time rooms, or you can close the curtain and play a wild game of peak a boo if you don't want to go upstairs, you can LT the girls her as well, some gentleman's clubs are known to have special shows, they usually have a drink policy, which is the more drinks you buy the more clothes come off, naughty stuff happens on the regular at gc's.

On-site rooms.

Tiny bit cheaper than a usual gogo.

Clothes off drink polices.

Bar fines.

No negotiations.

Babylon, Miami.

Soi Bommerang: gentleman's clubs here, they are gogo's with short time rooms, or you can close the curtain and play a wild game of peak a boo if you don't want to go upstairs, you can LT the girls her as well, some gentleman's clubs are known to have special shows, they usually have a drink policy, which is the more drinks you buy the more clothes come off, naughty stuff happens on the regular at gc's.

On-site rooms.

Tiny bit cheaper than a usual gogo.

Clothes off drink polices.

Bar fines.

No negotiations.

Heaven Above, Screamers.

Soi Chaiyapoon: gentleman's clubs here, they are gogo's with short time rooms, or you can close the curtain and play a wild game of peak a boo if you don't want to go upstairs, you can LT the girls her as well, some gentleman's clubs are known to have special shows, they usually have a drink policy, which is the more drinks you buy the more clothes come off, naughty stuff happens on the regular at gc's.

On-site rooms.

Tiny bit cheaper than a usual gogo.

Clothes off drink polices.

Bar fines.

No negotiations.

Maggie Mays, High Rollers.

Beer Bar complexes: Huge area's with just open bars and freelancers, sit down, drink, usually doesn't take long for a freelancer to join you asking for a drink or if you want company.

Cheap beer.

Freelancers.

No bar fines.

You can negotiate.

Clubs and Disco's: Places to. Umm. Dance, always free to get in these places, Freelancers are here in abundance, just pull up to a table order a drink, and usually a girl will come over to see if you want some company, if not just walk over to a girl at a table and offer to buy her a drink and see where the night takes you.

1. Expensive drinks 2. Freelancers 3. You can negotiation here.

Ok, Are you still reading?

Now for some terms and what they mean and what to expect as well.

Bar fine: this is a fee you must pay the gogo to take the girl away from the bar, the girls in the gogo's and gentleman's clubs main job is to get you to buy lady drinks, therefore if you take her away from the bar the bar will lose revenue so changing you a fee will help them recover whatever she might of sold in her absence, bar fines vary and depend on the girls status in the gogo and what time you are bar fining her, usually 1500 to maximum of 2000 baht, example: girl is a stunner /10 and you want to bar fine her at 9 pm expect the bar fine to be really high, usually 2000,3 hours later at 12 am it will be 1500, Walking Street and LK Metro will higher bar fines than a gentleman's club or Soi 6.

Bar fine cost and variables.

Gogo bar fines on walking street: depending on the girl will start at 1000 and max out at 2000, at 12 am the usual bar fine will be 1500 for 8,9 and 10's, any higher might be for 2 reasons, either she's a spicy 10 or she doesn't really want to go with you and told a you high amount to scare you away.

Any place that has on-site rooms (which include gentleman's clubs, Soi 6, BJ bars) the bar fine will be cheaper, which starts at 300 and maxes out at 500, it doesn't matter what time or how hot the girl is, these prices never change.

If you take a girl from a place with on-site rooms you will have to pay a higher bar fine which is usually 800-1000.

Bar fines are the same for ST and LT.

Bar fining isn't as prevalent as you might think it is, a girl might get bar fined for a ST 6 times on Monday and have 0 bar fines for the rest of the week, or get LT'ed and 3 days straight and return to the venue and get 0 barfines for the rest of the month.

Why? Well, It's simple, money. $$ Pattaya isn't for the cheapo's anymore, 7 out of 10 guys you see in a venue are " tire kickers " they just have enough to get a girl 2 lady drinks and try to play (feel her up, finger, lick, kiss) with her as much as they can before the girl realizes they have no money and walk away and never return to them.

Times you need to know about: the.

Short time: duration of companionship, 1-2 hours, usually 1 pop, but maybe 2 If she feels sorry if your a 5 pump chump, usually you play chess at the venue or at a by the hour room and sometimes if your hotel isn't far away she'll accompany you there, ST is usually the same everywhere in Pattaya either 1000 or maximum of 1500, since it's short time she doesn't expect much from you, she's not expecting you to take her dancing or drinking or even out to a nice meal at beefeaters, best to pick a girl with a quirky and outgoing personality for short time so you don't get a starfish or a phone checker.

Long Time: duration of companionship, depending on the time you bar fined her, with long time she will definitely be coming with you anywhere you want to go and wake up with you in the morning, Long time price varies, usually 3000-4000 or maximum of 8000 baht, the amount is up to her not the venue so one guy she might say 4000 an another guy she might say 10,000, don't FUCK UP THE QUESTIONS SHE ASKS YOU, she's going to expect some things, you most likely have her for the night and into the morning, she's been hungry since she clocked in, she wants to party, she picked YOU to party the night away with, so fucking live it up bro. Show her your the king of Staten Island and you'll definitely be rewarded for it.

The dreaded lady drink or LD for short: the.

Lady drinks: special drinks that you buy for the girl your interested in, its her job to try her best to get you to buy as many as she can, she usually has a quota to meet each day, and sometimes a small commission from each drink sold, they are usually always a soda type drink if you don't specify what drink you want her to drink, if you want to drink shots with you, then her shots might be watered down cause a drunk gogo girl can't sell lady drinks or dance 555, you don't have to buy lady drinks if you don't want to, but if you don't you will be ignored, oh, and the more you buy her drinks the more she'll know your worth her time.

555: its the Thai version of LOL 😆.

Freelancers: a freelancer is a sex worker that doesn't work in gogo, soi 6, or a gentleman's club, the have no boss, they are independent, they can be found in many different areas, such as " coconut bar / beach road " open air bars, clubs, and disco's and sometimes in hotel lobbies, you might find one in 7-11 or even Central Festival Mall, freelancers are significantly cheaper because there is no bar fine or lady drinks, it's just a quick negotiation and it off to your hotel room to play connect four, the majority of freelancers are on [URL]Thaifriendly.com[/URL], they usually have their own transportation if you use [URL]Thaifriendly.com[/URL] to get them to come to your hotel, but if not a 100 baht tip for her travel expense is a nice thing to do, usually 1000-1500 baht to show her your box of crayons, some guys prefer freelancers because of cost and less interaction, but I'm just going to give my two cents about freelancers, you could get a bad apple or a starfish going this route, there could be less safety when it comes to items in your room because this girl has no mamasan (a mamasan is the boss lady of the gogo / bar, she takes care of the girls and keeps them in line) so she might get sticky fingers.

Online / app for freelancers is [URL]Thaifriendly.com[/URL] Tinder is full of freelancers TFMI, if your a pro and in the know, detailed reviews including services.

Coconut Bar: it's what everyone calls Beach road, Beach road is the road that leads to walking street, around dusk you'll start to see girls hang out under the palm trees, they ain't there for the shade, you'll also notice they have their phone in their hand probably checking [URL]Thaifriendly.com[/URL] 555, if your interested in what you see, you most likely will need to make the first move, say sawa-dee-krab (that means Hello,) then Wai (a Wai, put your hands together and make a slight bow) then say " short time " then she will start negotiations, if you agree she'll follow you to your hotel if it's close by to her motorbike or might even take you to a by the hour room to help you fold your laundry.

Gogo's: are indoor venues that have girls dancing on stage, every gogo is different, some gogo's have their girls wear skits with no panties, then there are some that are totally nude, some gogo's are more hands on and in these places the girls will be very friendly, the gogo girls main objective is to sell you " lady drinks " make her quota and hopefully get 1 or 2 " short times " if she's lucky in before 12 am when they will be looking for a whale to " Long time " them, gogo's cost more for everything (drinks, lady drinks, bar fines, college donation fee,) some gogo's have spectacular shows where a group of girls will do a choreographed pole show, some gogo's have a special part of the dance stage where some crazy shit happens, (toys) make sure to trim your finger nails and bring a napkin along to wipe your face if you know what I mean, 555.

I rarely short time, I usually always long time, and I might spend more money than average but. Basically, this is what I always do in a gogo and have never once been told no, so follow these tips and your be wearing a panty crown by morning.

Gogo girls always expect the most money they can get for their services, and if their in a gogo they most likely know their value.

Rank of cuteness and be cups and what type of college donation they will quote you:

7's - 2000 baht 8's - 3000 baht 9's - 4000-6000 baht 10's - 5000- 8000 baht.

Now, lets roleplay what you should do in a gogo to take Ploy home to meet your cat.

Sit down and enjoy the scenery, don't be afraid to take in the views.

After sitting for about a minute, a staff member will come over and ask you to buy a drink, buy a drink from the drink menu.

If you see a girl you like, eye fuck her, or go up to the stage and tip her, or if your shy about doing that give your tip to the staff member to give to her, now she knows where she needs to go when she's done dancing.

When she comes over to thank you for the tip, she will sit next to you, or even on your lap in some places.

Now the game begins, she will ask you to buy her a lady drink, you'll drink together and she'll ask you some questions to get to know you and understand what you want, in-between questions she'll ask for more lady drinks, buy'them, oh, and do some flirting, example: tell her how beautiful she is, talk about her kitty, tell her she has the cutest nipples you have ever seen, etc.

Eventually she will have to dance again.

Keep tipping her, keep being flirty.

She will definitely come back to you when she's finished her dance set.

Most likely she'll ask for another lady drink.

Depending on what time it is, this might be when you tell her you want to bar fine her, you don't ask to bar fine her, asking is simps, you tell her " I barfine you" she will then ask "short time" or "Long time".

Tell her Long time, and if she agrees she will then tell you her price for long time, if you agree, (and don't you fucking dare try to negotiate a gogo girl, this isn't the coconut bar / beach road) she will tell you she'll be back in a minute, she has to go tell the mamasan of your intentions.

The mamasan will come over to you and tell you what the bar fine is for her, if you agree she will take your money, then the girl will come back all smiles, she will then tell you she needs to go get changed, after 10 minutes she'll come out in her street clothes and you both can leave now.

What you do now is up to you, you have her till the morning.

Party time, go to a restaurant, go drinking, go clubbing, go to another gogo and pick her up a tag team partner, your the king tonight.

Did you have eyes on other girls in her gogo? Spend money on her, treat her well and those girls will Long time with you as well cause your LT will sing your praises.

Soapy massage parlors: a venue with lots of girls that will give you a special and unique massage, I fucking love soapies, I have make sure to always have 2 regular girls I see, being a regular and treating them exceptionally well equals awesome experiences every time, my girls talk dirty and we bang before the massage and after: the.

What to expect from a soapy massage and how it's done.

When you enter the venue you will see what is referred to as the "fish bowl" beautiful girls on a stage or chairs, they are usually siting in colored sections, the colors are the prices for her services / rank.

Sit down, enjoy the view, take a moment to say Hi to the any girls waving to you trying to get your attention to pick them.

A staff member will come by shortly to ask you to buy a drink.

After the staff member drops off your drink he or she will ask you who you want, Pick your girl, advice. Pick the girl or girls that are going out of their way to get your attention and not the hot girl on her phone that could care less that your there cause she clearly saw you and is clearly passing on you, maybe she just got done a soapy and wants some alone time?

The staff member then will take you to the front desk and you will then pay for massage 7. You might have to wait for a few minutes for the girl you picked to come over to you, she has to go get her tackle box full of soaps and stuffs 8. Meet and greet time, she then will beckon you to follow her to a private room 8. When you walk into this room you will definitely notice some things.

A tub 2. Air mattress.

A bed.

In nicer venues, Mirrors on the walls and the ceiling.

Ok, now here is what's going to happen after you enter the room, she will control the pace of everything, she will start to draw the tub and make it soapy, around this time a staff member will come in a ask you to buy yet another drink and ask if you will buy the lady a drink as well, after the staff member comes back with the drink she will then close and lock the door, meet and greet time again, then she will tell or motion you to undress and she will undress as well, get in the tub, she will now rub a dub dub you now, depending on if she is in to you cause your a regular of hers and big tipper will decide if any hanky panky happens in the tub, if not, expect a good scubbing especially your naughty bits, after she's got you good and washed she will leave the tub and procede to get that air mattress good and soapy, she will take you out of the tub and on to the soaped up air matress, now its time for the soapy body to body massage, she basically will kneed your back, legs ect. Then body surf on you for a bit, she'll flip you over and body surf some more, then you'll stand up, a quick dip back in the tub then the final rinse off and towel off, now it's time to lay on the bed and wait for her to tidy up everything, when she's done she'll towel off and join you on the bed, time to play checkers, when you are done playing you'll get dress, kiss and a hug, tip 1000-2000, then tell her to message you again on Line when its best to come tomorrow for another session.

Ping pong gogo's 🏓 : while walking on walking street you might encounter some guys with a very explicit posters and ask you if you want to see a live sex show, if you do just say yes and they will escort to a place that is doing it, the ping pong show is the live sex show, it is something wild to experience, a once in a lifetime thing to see, but. Beware. You have to make a payment before you enter and then of course buy yourself a very overpriced and watered down drink, the show doesn't start until they get enough sales, when they do, the show will start. 555 enjoy, by the way the show includes a hell of alot more than just ping pong balls, you'll see all kinds of things a pussy can do, shoot darts, pull out razor blades, can a pussy smoke a cigarette? Etc. After each "performance" a sexy girl will go around with a tip bucket, during the show their will be girls trying to get lady drinks off you, oh, and you can Short time the drink girls too if you so desire, most of these places have on-site rooms And for those that call it a rip off, its not a rip off, they gave you what you thought it was going to be, yes, the drinks sucks (really, who comes to Pattaya for the drinks) yes, your going to see things you might not of wanted too, It's a once in a life time experience cause no girl your ever going to meet is going to just start popping balls out her coin slot.

Open air beer bars: it's a open air bar, lots of seats and tables, sit down and order a drink and before you know it a girl will come over and sit with you, these girls are usually freelancers looking for short times, some of these bars have a colored sign or something like that for you to turn up or down to let the ladies know you want some company, they also have tvs and music playing, since it's open air of course there is no air conditioning but lots of fans instead, these bars fill up pretty quick when the sun goes down, beer here is usually reasonably priced, Expats come here to forget about their lives for awhile, people come here to people watch as well.

BJ bars: these are venues where the specifically cater in one thing, what they do is. Umm. Its in the name, most have private rooms or booths with curtains, when you go in you will see girls, if your not ready being you just came in from the heat their is usually a full bar with tvs so they don't mind if you get a drink and cool off first, when your ready, pick one and she'll take you to a booth or private room, sometimes you'll be asked to buy a lady drink, if not she'll motion for you to take off your pants and sit down, she will then take out some wet naps and clean your junk, she'll inspect it as well, when she's done she'll get to work on ya, don't worry, these girls could suck chrome off a bumper, lots of guys love these venues cause these girls are great at what they do and can go back to the bar and get some drinks and go back for seconds when their up for it again.

How to pull off a successful threesome in Pattaya, This is a common sense question, you ask the girl if she eats pussy, like really likes it, you got to make sure she's not just being ok with giving her "sisters" a few licks, but really likes it, she'll either say no or maybe send you to the girl that does, when you get that girl you start the game, then when the ice is good and broke you ask her who SHE wants to bar fine and have "fun" with tonight, either there is a girl or girls she has her eye on or she'll take you to a gogo that has lesbians and pick from there, when you get to the hotel pace yourself and do you best not to become the third wheel 555.

Terminology: Butterfly. You prefer to go from flower to flower rather than enjoy just one bud or in other words. You want to bar fine other girls in the venue and not cause any issues with the first girl you bar fined.

The girls know and understand and accept this terminology.

During the courtship / ice breaking, she's going to ask you "how long you stay in Pattaya" or "how long your vacation", within this conversation make sure to simply tell her that your a bit of a butterfly, say the word. She might even tease you a bit: the.

Now that the girl knows your preference she will then be perfectly ok with you seeing other girls within the venue, no jealously, no loss of face, just make sure to be respectful and buy a lady drink for your past conquest if you see her again, (she might even come over and be your wingman).

555.

Be a butterfly. And you'll be bouncing from one to another and having a blast in Pattaya.

Some helpful websites:

Pattay-[URL]addicts.com[/URL] : it's one of the most active Pattaya night life forums on the planet, when you get membership status you get to access to TFMI.

[URL]Thaifriendly.com[/URL] : it's the freelancers best friend, this is where they post, its like them clocking in for their night shift.

[URL]Smooci.com[/URL] : this is a professional website that escort companies post their girls on, its specifically Bangkok area but throw in another 3000 baht and they'll take a 2 hour taxi ride to your Pattaya hotel.

European / Russian girls: 1 hour- 10,000 baht, 2 hour- 18,000 baht, 8 hour- 25,000 baht Social apps the girls use to communicate with you, I only give this information out if I meet your personally.

How to best use Thaifriendly: ThaiFriendly is easy mode, be honest.

If your not getting results YOU know why. Its you, your profile sucks.

As stated above the best ways to get results is:

Photos, a picture of you posing in front of a Pattaya landmark does wonders,(mine is me smiling in front of the Hilton Pattaya sign) a picture of you having fun even better (mine is me Partying at Insomina) these pictures gives her a heads up with what she might have to deal with (race, size, hygine) and also it could be proof that you might actually be in Pattaya, as stated their are a lot of tire kickers on ThaiFriendly, think of it from her prospective, you have no pictures, you might not even be real, if she gets a taxi and your not there she fucked, and also its probably scarry as fuck knocking on that door not having even the slightest idea what's beyond it so seeing sorta what you look like might get her to respond back to you.

State in your profile that YOU ARE IN PATTAYA, why are you even on ThaiFriendly when your not in Pattaya? You might think to yourself that your making plans. Hookups. 555, NOPE. You think she is making sure she is waiting for you on Feb. 12th when you arrive? 555 Stay off ThaiFriendly till your in the fucking airport, don't tease the kittens! If you can't bare to stay off it then use TFMI, see the reviews, book mark them, and maybe. Just maybe. She'll be around when you make your way back to the Kingdom 3-6 months later. LOL.

Get the Premium membership, it's worth it, your responses are instant, and ThaiFriendly works more efficiently with it.

Also State in your profile what you want, but don't go into too much detail, make it short and sweet, tell them your in Pattaya, you want to party, you want to boom boom, you want ST / LT, send Line #, anything else is wasted space, she's just glancing at your profile looking for words she understands, and when you send her a message it should be short and sweet as well, ST / LT (your hotel here) Line #, and that's all, it tells her what she needs to know, how long you want her for, your hotel tells her what its going to cost her to get to you, and finally that you use Line, cause ThaiFriendly gets you in the door but Line seals the deal, as soon as she sends you her Line number that is when you text her your specific details such like CIM etc. Be specific, tell her exactly what you want and expect her to do, and always expect her to be at least 10-20 min late cause unless she is down the street she's going to try to get a friend to drop her off before she spends her own money on a taxi.

Some say Thailand doesn't have a tipping culture, your right. But not when it comes to the service industry, ploy and bee do expect a tip if they see that you enjoyed their company, and you fucking know it. I've never had any issues with starfishes (knock on wood) but I think to myself if I ever do I'll take the high road and pay her for the agreed time and kindly send her on her way and go on to the next experience.

Easy mode as follows.

Profile:

Photo's of you having fun in Pattaya.

State your in Pattaya.

Party time, excellent! Boom boom, ST / LT.

Send Line #.

Messages to her:

ST / LT, hotel, send Line #.

Line messages to her:

Be specific so she knows what you want and what she won't do.

Do all this and you'll a golden god of ThaiFriendly.

Line: they love this app, the use it for everything, phone calls, video calls.

Facebook messenger: they use this app in junction with Instagram.

Instagram: you know those selfies they been taking with you, yep. They are on her Instagram.

Whats App: just like line, very international.

The LT girls will INDEED take pictures of you. And post them to the socials, your their prize as well and they love to show off the whale they caught.

YouTubers worth watching:

LE Pub: LE pub is a beer bar across from the infamous Windmill, it's run by the legendary Mr. Egg, he's awesome and gives alot of information about the comings and goings happening in Pattaya.

Rides 4 kicks: his name Is Lucas his content is like being on a tour of Pattaya and how to actually live in Pattaya.

3-4 questions that every gogo girl asks you to figure out if your worth her time and effort and also for her safety as well, its sorta a ranking system.

1. where you from? = are you rich, what's your culture towards women and sex workers.

2. where you stay? = are you a cheap Charlie, are skimping on your hotel to save money and how far are you from the gogo and her condo.

3. how long you stay in Thailand or how long you on holiday = are you Long Time material, if she puts the effort in does she have time to get you to buy her gold or a that new Iphone 15.

Things to bring to Thailand:

Lube, Astroglide, for the love of God I hope your not thinking about raw dawging, this helps out alot, the Lube they sell in Pattaya sucks, latex friction is not nice on their kitties, the girls are always amazed when see how well it works, it might even end up in their purse. 555.

Condoms: I'm not fucking kidding, bring boxes, lots of them, the Asian market Condoms are smaller in width (very tight fit) and break easily, they suck.

Terminology. Bin: it's a wooden cup for your bill, alway pay your bill as soon as you receive it, doing so will make sure no mistakes happen or if you forget how many drinks you ordered.

Update: I'm definitely going to be in Pattaya March to May and plan on doing comprehensive reviews of everything with pictures and videos.

Malls for Shopping: Central Festival Mall: excellent mall for all name brand things, they have everything, they even have an excellent supermarket called Tops, this place also has some really great restaurants, bowling alley and the best movie theater in all of Pattaya.

Terminal 21: another great mall, has everything, has a section for Japanese collectable.

Food Panda: a online website for food delivery.

Bolt: its a taxi service app, you pay ahead of time with your credit card or baht, the price is determinded and firm before ride starts, cheaper and safer than motorbike taxis.

Restaurants: Horizon, Hilton Pattaya [URL]https://horizon.bar/food-menu/[/URL] Outstanding views and cocktails Edge, Hilton Pattaya, It's the best all you can eat Buffet in Pattaya, does a 7 day 7 theme, so everyday it has a different cuisine, has breakfast, lunch and dinner, and Sunday brunch as well.