Stupid shit in Medellin

[QUOTE=SJobs;2481727]Well, I remember kids on the play ground who give up everything on the first try, when things gets tough, they are the first one who quits and they hate to see other people continue trying. I respect their existence, and they normally end up working for me; I will divide a seemingly unsolvable problem into small pieces so they can comfortably work on it. Anyways, people are different, some give up easily some will continue trying, I'm not the kind of person who give up on things easily.[/QUOTE]Its about living in reality and not being desperate. Sheesh. Only people in America are thinking like you--which is why America has 4% of the worlds population and 22% of the corona related deaths! Your way of thinking is what's keeping you out of Medellin! The sooner you understand that. The sooner you can join the team working towards real solutions and helping get this over with. The sooner you will have fun in Colombia.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2481623]Then you look at Sweden in comparison to the Netherlands and Belgium and it is not having near the problem with the second wave that those countries are....[/QUOTE]Why is it that when you want to make a point you select comparisons that are completely dissimilar? Why in the world would you compare Sweden to Belgium and the Netherlands and then say "See Sweden is not having the problem that these countries are."

Belgium has 973 people per square mile. Netherlands has 1,092 people per square mile. Sweden has 59 people per square mile. Don't you think population density plays a major role in virus statistics and how communicable the disease is?

So what would be better? How about Norway and Finland and even Denmark. These countries have similar climate characteristics and let's look at the population densities.

Finland has 42 people per square mile. Norway has 43 people per square mile. Denmark has 349 per square mile. Sweden (again) has 59 people per square mile.

Don't you think these countries which have greater proximity and close matches for population density would be the best comparison??

So let's look at the results:

Sweden has 8,477 cases per million persons and 577 deaths per million persons.

Denmark has 3,167 cases per million persons and 108 deaths per million persons.

Finland has 1,504 cases per million persons and 61 deaths per million persons.

Norway has 2,129 cases per million persons and 49 deaths per million persons.

This is a fair comparison Elvis. I'm not cherry-picking the comparisons in order to make a dishonest or deceptive point.

Just looking at those comparisons one might reasonably conclude that Sweden should have been doing what the surrounding countries were doing.

[QUOTE=GringoTrooper;2481714]International flights to CTG back in business on September 21st. As per the Cartagena thread.
National flights in Colombia have already been going on.
Therefore, arrive internationally to CTG and then pop on over to MDE.
Or maybe, we will see more news soon regarding dates for other international airports in Colombia.[/QUOTE]To you and to all others who commented variously this news, I hate to remind that having international flights connecting an airport is a necessary condition for foreigners to reach that country, but it is largely not sufficient.
The second necessary condition is that government regulations do allow foreigners to enter. We can only speculate when it will happen, but if we bet 10 bucks I would not bet that people from Europe or USA will be free to enter Colombia as tourists in 2020. Just 10 buck, ok?

You can have international flights resumed, still foreigners not allowed to enter unless for well documented reasons.
As an example, Singapore Changi has been connected to most world hubs and its international flights were resumed 2 or 3 months ago on a reduced schedule, but still no short-time visitors from almost any country are allowed to enter Singapore. The Minister said to forget it at least for the entire 2020. International flights have been resumed for Singapore citizens, for long-time pass holders, or for those others who have to go to Singapore for important business and for an extended period. Basically, only for "essential travel". Also, 2-week quarantine is enforced.
https://www.mfa.gov.sg/Services/Singapore-Citizens/COVID-19-Travel-Restrictions
https://www.ica.gov.sg/covid-19
https://safetravel.ica.gov.sg/

We all hate continence, so at least we should exercise patience, the most important virtue to exercise for the next months.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2481830]It is so embarrassing to see the USA, ...[/QUOTE]Why are you embarrassed by something you have no input into the outcome? I am not embarrassed by your uninformed statements. I chalk it up to biased, unintelligent opinions. How much time have you spent in the United States during the last ten years? If you had been here and experienced the differences between the Obama and Trump administrations, without political bias, you may be qualified to form an opinion and not be embarrassed.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2481933]Why are you embarrassed by something you have no input into the outcome? I am not embarrassed by your uninformed statements. I chalk it up to biased, unintelligent opinions. How much time have you spent in the United States during the last ten years? If you had been here and experienced the differences between the Obama and Trump administrations, without political bias, you may be qualified to form an opinion and not be embarrassed.[/QUOTE]I retain my embarrassment, shared by several of my American work colleagues in USA, which I was used to meet often there and in other countries (sigh! Now only telecons!) Some of them are Republicans, and are embarrassed as well. Some Republicans love Trump instead, so definitely it's a very debatable personal opinion!

I respect your opinion, of course, but seeing Trump speaking is objectively embarrassing (remember the bleach?), despite the positive effect he had on the life of some of his supporters. I do not judge this.

I do not know if I am qualified, but I have been a visitor of USA twice a year for quite a long time, and I talk every week with Americans in my job. I simply observe the "love him or hate him" effect.

I note that out of topic discussion was expelled from the Medellin thread into this. I guess there will be a further branching into "Stupid Shit anywhere in the world" and we'll find our posts moved there. Another effect of COVID. We cannot play our hobby where we wish, so we can only read ISG. It's sad, you will agree with me at least about this.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2481880]Why is it that when you want to make a point you select comparisons that are completely dissimilar? Why in the world would you compare Sweden to Belgium and the Netherlands and then say "See Sweden is not having the problem that these countries are."

Belgium has 973 people per square mile. Netherlands has 1,092 people per square mile. Sweden has 59 people per square mile. Don't you think population density plays a major role in virus statistics and how communicable the disease is?

This is a fair comparison Elvis. I'm not cherry-picking the comparisons in order to make a dishonest or deceptive point.

Just looking at those comparisons one might reasonably conclude that Sweden should have been doing what the surrounding countries were doing.[/QUOTE]What is the population density where most Swedes live in comparison to the Netherlands and Belgium? That is where you analogy falls apart.

Anyway, you are arguing a mute point. The rest of Europe is not locking down again, and they are actually taking on a version of the Swedish model despite the second wave. Everyone saying how much countries in the Americas sucked in comparison to Europe is eating crow right now. The European lockdowns did not cure them of the virus.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2481705]A Democratic plot it is, and of course I realize you are being facetious. Wink.

That whole line of thinking was destroyed when Mr E pointed out all the countries where there are no Democrats yet they are still having trouble with the virus. [/QUOTE]I didn't bother debunking Mr. E's point because it was ridiculous. I am not going to explain the global power structure.

As for winning the argument, I could care less. I just got tired of you Demorats espousing your libtard economy destroying ways as "science".

The final statement will be on election day. Biden was +2000 on March 1 before the virus hit. That means if you bet $100 on Biden and he won you got $2000. He actually got as high as -165 meaning if you bet $165 on Biden and he won, you get $100. The Corona virus was the greatest gift that the Democratic party may ever have been given and then the Dems let their cities burn. After that move, the latest data shows Trump and Biden in a dead heat on the futures market.

Of course, that dead heat was before Pelosi had to get her hair done. He he.

The best numbers for Biden were July 31, one week after Corona peaked in the USA. Since then, the new cases in the USA are down, and the number of cases now are exploding in India, Africa, South America, and Europe. The belly aching POV that Trump didn't listen to science, dd not lock down enough and that Europe had it right, do not look so hot now.

So do all this Trump said this or that shit all you want. I was actually posting here because I was so damned frustrated than Colombia took the Demorat "science" POV, locked down, banned travel, the economy tanked, and I could not see my chicas. This forum was an outlet for my venting. FWIW, "Irresponsible" Mexico has better numbers than responsible Colombia and "irresponsible" Brazil has better numbers than responsible Peru.

I then read how Peru and Colombia were not serious and I want to gag. The economic suffering in those countries has been unreal, and a lot of was for nothing. Banning international travel was stupid. Thankfully, now they are not serious with the lockdowns. They have seen through the bullshit, and that is all I have ever wanted. The world has come around to my way of thinking now: locking down healthy people destroyed economies and did not prevent the virus from spreading. You guys can go off on Trump and say how great lockdowns are all you want now. It does not matter anymore.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2481877]Its about living in reality and not being desperate. Sheesh. Only people in America are thinking like you--which is why America has 4% of the worlds population and 22% of the corona related deaths! Your way of thinking is what's keeping you out of Medellin! The sooner you understand that. The sooner you can join the team working towards real solutions and helping get this over with. The sooner you will have fun in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Wow, are you for real? I normally don't like to get involved in meaningless quibble, but this post is so outrageous, it deserves a response. First of all, a suggestion, don't always see things in a negative way. When other people are trying to instill hope on getting cross the border, and sharing real time news and flight updates, we don't need an incognito person to breed negative energy and making groundless assertion such as "we won't be able to get into Medellin until mid next year". America has lots of areas that can be improved, but we also got lots impressive achievements, a less negative view in life can serve you well.

Let's see. We have 4% of the world population, but we got the most amount of Nobel prize winners and fields medal winners, almost half of the leading research institutions in the world are in America. We got the Silicon Valley startup culture which is the envy of the world. Almost all of the top 5 richest people on earth are Americans. Let's see, what else, we are always in the top three in terms of metal counts in the Olympics. Our high tech companies such as intel, google, amazon, Facebook and Apple are literally dominating the technology world. Pretty soon you will see an America monger (A. K. A sjobs) make it across the holy border of Colombia through sheer perseverance, despite all the negative energy he has been receiving.

By the way, we do have a pretty open immigration policy, do you need a link for the application form?

I don't know if this is a credible news source but it popped up in my twitter feed yesterday. My heart sank.

[URL]https://www.propublica.org/article/the-trump-administration-is-predicting-a-drastic-drop-in-demand-for-u-s-visas-for-years-to-come[/URL]

I can't see any country opening its borders before the USA does. These things in my lifetime have tended to be reciprocal.

[QUOTE=BigBossMan;2482208]I don't know if this is a credible news source but it popped up in my twitter feed yesterday. My heart sank.

[URL]https://www.propublica.org/article/the-trump-administration-is-predicting-a-drastic-drop-in-demand-for-u-s-visas-for-years-to-come[/URL]

I can't see any country opening its borders before the USA does. These things in my lifetime have tended to be reciprocal.[/QUOTE]Dude,

That is not what the article says at all. It is actually good news for those of us wanting to travel. It says demand for travel to the USA is expected to be way down. International travel is a big business, and Trump makes bank on international travelers with his hotels.

[QUOTE=BigBossMan;2482208]I don't know if this is a credible news source but it popped up in my twitter feed yesterday. My heart sank.

[URL]https://www.propublica.org/article/the-trump-administration-is-predicting-a-drastic-drop-in-demand-for-u-s-visas-for-years-to-come[/URL]

I can't see any country opening its borders before the USA does. These things in my lifetime have tended to be reciprocal.[/QUOTE]I don't think it is suggesting that plan to keep the boarders closed until 2022, but that they do not expect demand for International travel to recover fully until then.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2481948]What is the population density where most Swedes live in comparison to the Netherlands and Belgium? That is where you analogy falls apart.[/QUOTE]Seriously? You could have chosen other countries, say for example Austria and Switzerland. Countries with similar population sizes and geographical similarities (I. E. Mountainous terrain) but no, not you.

You chose two countries that couldn't be more different because by doing so you could support some vacuous point you wanted to make. There is a word for that. It's called being "dishonest".

On to another silly statement. You really think Nancy Pelosi wanting to get touched up at a beauty salon is a game changer? Really? I'm guessing you haven't been reading or listening to the notes and tapes.

From the Bob Woodward interview where a certain incumbent president acknowledged that he down played the severity of the virus while being fully aware of how dangerous and potentially lethal it was. Somehow.

When I go to pull levers in November, I don't think I'll be voting on Nancy Pelosi wanting a makeover but I sure as heck will be remembering that this president was willing to put American lives at risk by downplaying.

The dangers of the virus and not taking every step possible to prepare the country for what was to come.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2482507]Seriously? You could have chosen other countries, say for example Austria and Switzerland. Countries with similar population sizes and geographical similarities (I. E. Mountainous terrain) but no, not you. There is a word for that. It's called being "dishonest".[/QUOTE]Been there, done this. Sweden is a success or failure based on which country you compare it to. I have said this before and you are being dishonest in insisting that all other nations that merit a fair comparison to Sweden just so happen to be ones that have fared better. You are making these artificial barriers like population density and now mountains?? The truth is that there are much better and much worse countries than Sweden, but it does not matter with regards to what is happening in the world.

What matters is nations are now taking the Swedish approach based on the most recent data and general lockdowns are now off the table.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2482507]From the Bob Woodward interview where a certain incumbent president acknowledged that he down played the severity of the virus while being fully aware of how dangerous and potentially lethal it was. [/QUOTE]Fauci got it wrong on masks and used the excuse that he did not want people going into a panic and hoarding masks, and you Demorats totally excuse him. Then Woodward releases an interview that he conducted months ago, and it says Trump does the same thing, and you all are outraged. You Demorats are so up in arms about Trump you could be offended by how he breathes. You Demorats are incapable of saying anything good about Trump. There were no wars with him, and the economy had been doing great pre Covid, and you all treat him like he is the devil.

I have said the FDA and CDC screwed up the early Covid testing, and that is relevant and that is on Trump.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2482507]When I go to pull levers in November, I don't think I'll be voting on Nancy Pelosi wanting a makeover but I sure as heck will be remembering that this president was willing to put American lives at risk by downplaying.[/QUOTE]Like there was any doubt how you were going to vote. Pelosi just got a makeover huh? Yeesh. To be a Demorat today is to say that the only person who ever does anything wrong in government is Trump or people affiliated with him. You all cannot even admit when a party leader of yours pulls a total boner.

"I wouldn't care what it did to the macroeconomic scene of mongering. One of the most pathetic things I see is when Gringos try to negotiate these girls down 10-20 mil lower, to what purpose? To make sure you got a "good deal?

BTW your post suggests you've been around much much longer than 20 posts?

I must ask if you don't care how your behavior negatively impacts this community, and you have so little respect for what's in our best interests, why are you even here?

[QUOTE=Chicafan;2487093]Your logic is terribly flawed. The conclusions you drew are an incredible reach. Funny.

Do Colombian girls target exclusively Americans?

I don't suppose you happen to know what percentage of tourists in Medellin are American vs tourists from other countries do you?

Do people from the ghettos of America hate Americans?

Do you think a desperate person in a ghetto would not rob you? You're American. A black American. Do poor people in ghettos hate black Americans?

I wonder if a desperate Colombian girl would rob a Colombian?

Maybe poor people simply resent people with money..[/QUOTE]You asked so I will answer.

A. Do Colombian girls target exclusively Americans? Many of them do, not all, but yes, I have attended enough events to now know, they target Gringos because they think we are all rich.

B. I don't suppose you happen to know what percentage of tourists in Medellin are American vs tourists from other countries do you? No, never cared to know.

C. Do people from the ghettos of America hate Americans? Yes, well to do Americans who can't relate to their struggle, yes they do, look at the riots in America right now. More sympathy for a wall, than a human life!

D. Do you think a desperate person in a ghetto would not rob you? You're American. A black American. Do poor people in ghettos hate black Americans? Yes, it is clearly the others who named the term –black on black crime, yes blacks will rob blacks if they feel that you are doing better, therefore, I no longer live in the ghetto, I am doing better, much better.

E. I wonder if a desperate Colombian girl would rob a Colombian? Rarely, but it would be a life or death situation, I know several girls from the park who robbed other Colombians who are now no longer with us!!

F. Maybe poor people simply resent people with money. Do you think? This is getting hilarious.

G. Is it possible that some Colombians like Americans (well enough) but just don't like you? Could it be that you are truly blind to any racism and you refuse to believe anything that does not effect you or have an impact on your well-being, but if it affects others, then god forbid, it is that group of people's problem. Keep it coming.

H. You are a pompous and full of yourself, but those who underestimate others usually are.

Good day, sir, Pollo Negro is out!