[QUOTE=Zed2320;2699072]Mr Krisps has a wealth of contacts and details to share..[/QUOTE]I most definitely agree, he is the Mayor of AD's hotspots. Very genuine guy.
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[QUOTE=Zed2320;2699072]Mr Krisps has a wealth of contacts and details to share..[/QUOTE]I most definitely agree, he is the Mayor of AD's hotspots. Very genuine guy.
Hello everyone,
Yes, I'm embarrassed. I'm ashamed to tell you my experience, ashamed of how it happened and shame for what I feel.
But like writing here cheaper cost me a psychotherapy session, I start.
I really wanted to test a good Moroccan bath trying to follow the advice of the great master MrK.
Well, missed.
I took the first of the list suggested by MrK MA Apt.
Contact taken quickly with the receptionist who sent me the location, the list of ladies available. I chose an Arab lady who I liked the pictures. If you allow I will not mention her nationality on a public forum, she is the only one to have it.
It was agreed on a price for a combo bath and massage 90 mn.
Once there, they moved me to a room until the lady.
The lady arrives, it is to my liking. The blood begins to gradually leave my higher brain to power the secondary-control command below.
In addition to her beauty, she has for her frankness.
- Why are you there? In the message, or something else?
- The other chose.
- You want to B2B or FS?
- I prefer FS (in my head: "Alarm You enfreins the rule does not reveal his intentions'.
I knew I was bad in negotiation, but not to this extent. Never I apply to a Purchasing Department.
In short, starting from 1 k, I can not go below 6 red.
I precise that everything was done with very few English words that the lady knows and 2 or 3 Arabic words I understand.
Some would say, "but 600 may be worth it." Nope! Not for the service I got.
In short, once rid of these clothes, the view I had confirmed my hunch. His body would affected me my first girlfriend. No need to massage to be fit.
We attack immediately hostilities. I was in a GFE mood. But the miss was never released.
The DATY was nice for me (she's fine "waxed" ! I say waxed not shaved). But obviously not nice for her.
Besides, nothing seemed to please her.
Only what interested when do we put the cap to move to the next step.
I had the impression of being in one X film of 50's (but, without clothes).
In short, my pleasure was not shared at all. And mine was suddenly reduced.
Nothing like a MILF Fili I saw the day before and who knew completely surrender.
In short, once the party once we pass the following steps. My previous experiences of Hammam were not like that.
She settles me in the steam room, hands me the soap pot and asked me to smear me. She goes between 5 and 10 minutes. Amazing is not it?
In short, following the more traditional for a steam room.
At this last detail, no right to touch while. "Khalass!
Finally, I regret but half. It was time that I was with a girl with such a body. Just by closing my eyes I can see her again ++!
Thank you Doc!
Hope this helps (me it helped me to talk about it.
R.
P.S.: Sorry for the length and for the translation errors I could have missed.
I didn't understand why you need to be ashamed of.
She was not your GF and her only interest was on the money you paid.
The service that we get is not always proportionate to the money paid.
Keep trying and you will get someone of your liking.
Recently I met a Filipina in a spa.
Had a great body and I was expecting a great session.
She took off her dress and asked me " Sir, Where should I put your dick". And an absolute star fish.
Another time, I got a Thai girl who sucked me twice and literally had a CIM.
Both at the same cost.
So keep trying. Happy mongering.
[QUOTE=Romain0775;2700879]Hello everyone,
Yes, I'm embarrassed. I'm ashamed to tell you my experience, ashamed of how it happened and shame for what I feel.
But like writing here cheaper cost me a psychotherapy session, I start.
I really wanted to test a good Moroccan bath trying to follow the advice of the great master MrK.
Well, missed.
I took the first of the list suggested by MrK MA Apt.
Contact taken quickly with the receptionist who sent me the location, the list of ladies available. I chose an Arab lady who I liked the pictures. If you allow I will not mention her nationality on a public forum, she is the only one to have it.
It was agreed on a price for a combo bath and massage 90 mn.
Once there, they moved me to a room until the lady.
The lady arrives, it is to my liking. The blood begins to gradually leave my higher brain to power the secondary-control command below.
In addition to her beauty, she has for her frankness..[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Romain0775;2700879]Hello everyone,
Yes, I'm embarrassed. I'm ashamed to tell you my experience, ashamed of how it happened and shame for what I feel.
But like writing here cheaper cost me a psychotherapy session, I start.
I really wanted to test a good Moroccan bath trying to follow the advice of the great master MrK.
I took the first of the list suggested by MrK MA Apt.
[/QUOTE]Okay Straight up. You made a lot of mistakes. But it's part and parcel. IF anyone says 1 k they are gauging you. Your response should be a smile and say No and turn away. She will start saying "then what".
And why did you have 600 in your pruse in the first place. Means you didn't read the post completely.
Now what you experienced is absolutely No problem. You think it hasn't happened to EVERYONE here.
If any monger tells you that they haven't ever been stuck with a bad experience he is lying or he is not a punter. He got lucky the one time he ventured out.
So completely chill. Also why don't you ping me I will tell you the girl you should visit.
Now the main Event:
Negotiating Tips:
NUMBER 1. Main trick applicable at all places. (I already mentioned this one earlier).
Other than the reception charges. Take only 300 with you. Leave 200 (for a B2B,BBBJ) on the table beside the oils, before the girl comes to the room- she will see it and knows what is expected.
When the question comes. Say "I already left your tip on the table".
[QUOTE=MrKrisps;2705220]Your response should be a smile and say No and turn away. She will start saying "then what".[/QUOTE]Indeed, the most powerful tool in negotiating is being willing to walk away. I just did this same move with an incall apartment girl. We chatted on WA, but price was never mentioned, which is a pretty rookie mistake for her. I brought what I was comfortable paying, plus a small tip amount if she really blew me away. I walked into her place, sat down on a lounge chair and popped my shoes off. She then asked me to pay first, which I was happy to do. I pulled out the money I had brought and extended it to her telling her the amount, but she looked at it and frowned and told me that it would cost 800, which was much higher. I didn't argue or get upset, because there's no need for that. I simply told her that was far too much, placed my cash back into my wallet, sat back down and put my shoes on. I told her it was no big deal, but that I didn't want to pay 800. She tried to tell me that I agreed to 800, but I told her we never discussed price, assured her I wasn't upset and kept motioning towards the door to leave. As I was about to leave she slashed the price in half, which was still higher than what I offered. I held firm and she agreed to the original amount.
It's hard to be willing to walk away, as it does indeed hold the potential to waste your time, but it's important for price maintenance nonetheless. Imagine if I agreed to pay that 800, loved my time with the girl, and then had to pay that every time I went to see her? No thanks. The walk away is a gamble, but one that pays off incredibly well. Just as it holds the potential to waste your time, so too does it waste the girl's time. She'd rather make some money in her time than none. This is especially true at massage places. There's nothing a working girl hates more than giving an hour or longer massage and not getting the real money at the end. She doesn't want to waste an hour and an entire client slot just to make no real money.
As for not getting the experience you wanted. Well, that's often how it goes. Sure, it would be great if every girl was really into us and loved being fucked by us, but an unenthusiastic blowjob is still better than jerking off at home. Well, mostly. Sex work is no different than any other kind of service job, some people provide outstanding experiences warranting praise and good compensation, others not so much. That's quite literally the point of places like this though, to help people weed out the good, the mediocre, and the bad. Be sure to reach out to your trusted associates here and get recommendations for the good, but also be sure to specify your exact needs.
Better luck next time.
I don't know how my post was truncated.
I have typed it all out again:
Negotiating Tips:
Number 1. : (I already mentioned this one earlier). MAX 300 (HJ / B2 B / FS) (100/200/300).
1. Decide what you want to take: B2 B, BBBJ, just a massage.
2. Understand the reception charges.
3. Excluding the reception charges. Take only 300 with you.
4. It should always be in following denominations: 100+100+50+50.
4. Keep 100+100 in the wallet, 50+50 in the pocket of your trousers.
4. Before the girls comes into the room: Leave the 100+100 from the wallet on the table beside the oils.
5. She will see it and understand extras are expected.
6. This leads to: A much better massage and experience, maybe even my favourite teasing and edging without asking.
7. Keep complimenting on the massage; Moan.
After the flip.
Her: "what would you like.
You: Directly say: "I already left your tip on the table".
Her: "Oh okay" OR "What do you want for that".
You: (laugh tease smile stroke her thigh) "you my dear. " Never ever ask: "What will I get for that".
Her: But that is not enough.
You: Dear that's all I have in my wallet (You can show empty wallet).
You: If you are good to me. Definitely more on next massage.
If she is hot during the B2B and you want to go FS. Then say "Wait I think I have some change from reception in my pocket" (The 50+50 is there).
Do's: Put the effort in and do a DATY and get a free FS for 200.
Enjoy!
Number 2: Applicable at all Arabs at MP's MAX:400 (HJ / B2B / FS) 200/300-400.
1. With Arabs You have to go for FS or B2B or just a hammam / massage.
2. Understand the reception charges.
3. Excluding the reception charges. Take only 400 with you. Do not take the debit / credit cards. Leave in car.
4. It should always be in following denominations: 100+100+100+50+50.
5. Keep 100+100+100 in the wallet, 50+50 in the pocket of your trousers.
6. Never take only hammam with the Arab. Always take a package or only massage. Preferably package.
7. Always do the Hammam first!!
8. Two reasons: One. The oil / lotion will not allow the skin to exfoliate.
Second. She has already seen you naked and touched Johnny so will be more comfortable during the massage.
9. Never try any funny Business in the Hammam. Compliment on how good it is. Why: It is not comfortable at all and / or she will cheat you into a HJ only for 500.
10. After Hammam or if only massage: Before the girl comes into the room: Leave the 100+100 from the wallet on the table beside the oils.
11. She will see it and understand extras are expected.
12. If she directly asks first itself: "what do you want".
13. Say "Give me a massage. We will see".
14. Talk to her. Tease her, stroke her thigh, compliment her skills never her beauty.
15. At a suitable time or after flip. When the question is asked:
Her: "what would you want.
You: Directly say: "I already left your tip on the table".
Her: She says "No dear I want 1000" OR She says "No dear 500".
You: Smile say the tip is on the table and just simply turn and say my leg is paining.
You: After 2 minutes ask her what she is going to do for you.
She will refuse to answer saying depends on the money.
You: You don't want to see me again? (laugh tease smile stroke her thigh).
Her: But that is not enough. (strong negotiation).
You: Dear your Hammam / massage was very nice but have to treat me well.
You: You can take that 200 and everything in my wallet. I don't know how much is there. (You have only 100 more in the wallet).
Take the wallet and give her the 100. That's all I have in my wallet (You can show empty wallet).
You: If you are good to me. Definitely more on next massage.
Now if it's a looker and knows her value. She will push harder. Suddenly remember the change 50+50 from the reception and that is in your pocket. This much is always for FS.
Important:
Never ask her for a BJ at the start itself. Arabs will refuse.
Always give her a small massage.
Always massage her buttock.
Always ease slowly into the DATY. Kisses along the knee.
Always kiss and give a lot of skin to skin.
She will most prolly like doggy the most.
Number 3: Applicable to all.
1. If Arab quoted 1000 and then doesn't go below 600 even after negotiation. Turn and make conversation and Walk away after time is up.
If with Hammam: Take back the 200 and tip her 100 AED (The hammam takes a bit of effort Don't be a dick).
If only massage: Take back the 200 and leave 50 on the table and walk away.
2. If during negotiation she tries to prod your ego. Smile and say I gave the money to my other Moroccan girlfriend who you have for 3 years. Start a conversation and ***** about the other one. Build Kinship and go nack to negotiating.
3. Always, Always take 90 minutes. Never take a 60 minutes session, It is not enough. Unless you know already that it is a Wham bam, thank you Ma'am.
4. Always try to enjoy your massage. It is actually healthy.
Hope it helps you guys.
I am sure others have other approaches and ideas. Do share.
MK.
[QUOTE=MrKrisps;2706424]I don't know how my post was truncated.
Hope it helps you guys.
I am sure others have other approaches and ideas. Do share.
MK.[/QUOTE]Brilliantly cascaded information Mr. Krisps, It can't get better than this.
Cheers,
Gman.
[QUOTE=MrKrisps;2706424]
Negotiating Tips:
.[/QUOTE]Legend, thank you for that! My preference at MP's is only Arabs. They are very hard to get below 600 and can get for 500 but not easy, and I am referring to FS of course. I will try some of these tips. I reckon Dubai scene is a bit more pricey compared to AUH? Correct me if I'm wrong here.
[QUOTE=MrKrisps;2706424]I don't know how my post was truncated.
I have typed it all out again:
Negotiating Tips:
Number 1. : (I already mentioned this one earlier). MAX 300 (HJ / B2 B / FS) (100/200/300).
1. Decide what you want to take: B2 B, BBBJ, just a massage.
I am sure others have other approaches and ideas. Do share..[/QUOTE]Excellent and comprehensive post on negotiations with plenty of behavioral science tips (commitment, anchoring, take it or leave it etc). The first thing most negotiation books emphasize on is to come prepared (aka RTFF). With posts like this you are sure that you will make most of your money 90% of the time. I would also emphasize that the right approach is to pretend that your primary goal is to get a proper massage and have her "invest" in the relationship part by performing some work. Don't let them rush too quickly to the flip. Let her think that the you your chief reason for visiting the spa is the massage and that the extras are just an option for you. When I started in the trade many years ago, I would respond to their flirting attempts too quickly, and I had an instance when when 5 minutes of fake massage we entered the negotiation stage and as we could not agree on a price (we both played hard ball) she gave me 10 more minutes of small touches before leaving. I had stayed about 20 minutes in the spa and paid one red. I was glad though I did not throw good money after bad money. On the other hand, if you leave the 3 red question to the last 15 minutes she will have "worked" for quite a while and in case if she bargains two hard she is at risk of earning very little and therefore you would have the upper hand. After if you repeat, you'll be able to transition to the deed earlier and earlier. I reached the point with some regulars where I would start with FS, have the back rub after and end-up with another FS or HJ session in the purest Double Shooter's style LOL. You also have to be strategic during the small talk that usually happens. They will probe you with questions such as if it is it your first time in the SPA. If you say no, she would assume that you are a noob without knowledge of the market and will try to rake up her prices. Same for your nationality: if you come form a rich country they will ask for more so you'd want to tell them you're coming from a less affluent one than yours if you come form a developed country. Same goes for your job for obvious reasons. Another piece of advice is to be ready to walk away; there are thousands of SPAs and masseuse out there so don't feel forced to close. A successful negotiation means getting what you want at a reasonable price, not necessarily reaching an agreement. Also, price is not everything and it is ok to pay a little bit more if you know (though this forum for instance) that the experience is good. Remember most of this girls have a harder life than you and at any point in time I am happy to be on my side of the deal. Anyhow, like in any other normal negotiations exercise, it helps to invest a bit in the relationship once it is established (a small gift on her birthday, a small pastry here and there etc.) can go a long way. Respect them and if things turn bad, just move on and keep your energy for something else. Last, and this is not purely a negotiation tip: when visiting the same spa for a second time, try to pick another girl. The first reason is that there's no pussy like new pussy. Secondly, it will keep the first one on her toes and avoid you drama in the future. Otherwise, you are going to be tagged as her customer and at times other girls won't be willing to go with you. It's a tight rope walk but that's human nature, once she thinks that you're captive audience, in most cases she will ease a bit and show less dedication. It can result in unpleasant outcome (to a certain limit though). Doing so I got a "ban" from a dozen Thai girls from the Red Spider spa (at the time when it was next to the Karama post), as they saw me switching to another girl on the next visit. We had some good laughs with the receptionist trying to figure out which girl I could take. On the other hand at Sandy Shoes that allowed me to set the conditions for a few memorable threesome sessions with two of the best performers there (N and V).
Stay safe, have fun and enjoy life.
[QUOTE=MrKrisps;2706424]I don't know how my post was truncated.
I have typed it all out again:
Negotiating Tips:
Number 1. : (I already mentioned this one earlier). MAX 300 (HJ / B2 B / FS) (100/200/300)..[/QUOTE]Really excellent tip for newbies and possibly experienced guys. I have been following most of the tips. There are times when little Johnny takes over. LOL.
[QUOTE=PlushTiger;2707033]
Credits to post: PlushTiger
[/QUOTE]Modified and Edited POST FROM PLUSHTIGER.
You hit the steps I put in just points: 1. 2. 3.
Good post PT. I hope you don't mind me editing the same.
1. pretend that your primary goal is to get a proper massage. Let her think extras are just an option for you.
2. Don't let them rush too quickly to the flip.
3. if you leave the extras question to the last 15 minutes she will have "worked" for quite a while and therefore you would have the upper hand.
4. Strategic small talk:
"is it your first time in the SPA" say no, so that it appears you are not a noob.
"Who did you take" One girl but I forgot her name as I didn't like the massage and service.
"nationality" change to a place nearby that is not first world if possible.
"job" at a company nearby.
5. Don't be a Dick: Remember most of this girls have a harder life than you so tip them even if you don't take extras.
6. Respect them. It can go a long way.
7. When visiting the same spa for a second time. Pick another girl: It will keep the first one on her toes and you can complain to the first one for better service.
6. Same girl multiple time: Tight rope walk. Can either go: As less dedication in massage or she may open up more. The latter will happen if you are engaging her else it will always be former.
I know I haven't been FR'ing as EVERYONE here will agree that happens when you got into a good source and too busy punting.
Been just participating in PM's for sometime.
I am trying to make up.
Pending posts:
[S]Negotiating tips
Outcalls[/S]
Incalls.
AUH MR Thread.
Monthly Budget.
Favored Nationalities.
Memorable Experiences.
Forgettable visits.
Scams.
Assists I would appreciate.
Sugar Life.
This post will rock the boat a little.
I wanted to write a report on what I thought about Outcalls.
A lot in PM's have told me they don't do outcalls because it is cumbersome.
(How do I stop this line break in my posts!)
[QUOTE=MrKrisps;2707673]I know I haven't been FR'ing as EVERYONE here will agree that happens when you got into a good source and too busy punting.
(How do I stop this line break in my posts!)[/QUOTE]Once you finish the post use 'backspace' key to bring lines closer. It is issue with ISG format. Sometimes the Enter key shows double space when you actually see post. You can edit it after posting. The edit option remains for few hours.
[quote=mrkrisps;2706424]i don't know how my post was truncated.
I have typed it all out again:
Negotiating tips:
Number 1. : (i already mentioned this one earlier). Max 300 (HJ / B2B / FS) (100/200/300).
1. Decide what you want to take: B2B, BBBJ, just a massage.
2. Understand the reception charges.
3. Excluding the reception charges. Take only 300 with you.
4. It should always be in following denominations: 100+100+50+50.
4. Keep 100+100 in the wallet, 50+50 in the pocket of your trousers.
4. Before the girls comes into the room: Leave the 100+100 from the wallet on the table beside the oils.
5. She will see it and understand extras are expected.
6. This leads to: A much better massage and experience, maybe even my favorite teasing and edging without asking.
7. Keep complimenting on the massage; moan.
After the flip.
Her: "what would you like.
You: Directly say: "i already left your tip on the table". [/quote]master as always.
[QUOTE=MrKrisps;2707529]Modified and Edited POST FROM PLUSHTIGER.
Good post PT. I hope you don't mind me editing the same.[/QUOTE]As Newton puts it, if I have been able to monger so successfully it's because I have followed the path of giants LOL. Happy to add to the collective wisdom and share a few tips for others to enjoy.
On a more substantive level, ID' also add that there's always some room for negotiations for the counter fee.
1- Ask the fees over WhatsApp, they are more likely to give in knowing that you can just "swipe them left" and start chatting with an other AMP.
2- If they quote anything above 100 say that normal price is 100 and ask for discount.
3- If you're already in the spa, don't pay attention to their price list, it's for tourists.
4- There are about 4 tiers of prices for Thai / Chinese / Vietnamese / Indian massage: below 100 available in some neighborhoods; 100 the most common, 130-160 in some successful spas, 200-250 in some hotels, 3 reds quite rare but happens, avoid it if possible.
Add 1, 2 or 3 reds for Arabic or European staff. Packages with Hammam plus shave.
5- Haamam combos are in general 2 t o3 reds.