American Politics

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2665682]Right and people are not buying that shit that Trump is at fault anymore. Biden came in and all he did was be a bigger asshole about restrictions, and the deaths were worse under him.

Maybe we will have the Dems try to claim credit for the virus abating. LOL.[/QUOTE]Oh come on, man. There are only 3-4 blatantly obvious dots to connect and they are right there, verifiable and fully apparent to everyone. I'm sure even you can connect them:

1. Trump and only Trump defunds and fully dismantles the Pandemic Prevention and Response teams and systems in China in 2018 in defiance of all expert advice and warnings not to do something so dangerous and stupid.

Fully documented fact.

2. Trump and only Trump is the potus who got the earliest and most accurate intel about the virus' deadly and airborne transmission characteristics, chooses to largely pocket them for self-serving reasons and instead goes onto the world stage to thank and praise Xi for his transparency and help in getting it "under control" by reducing all cases to "1 out of China, 15 here and soon to be near zero. " A lie.

Fully documented fact.

3. Trump and only Trump is the potus who announces its risks and dangers are only a "Democrat Party Hoax"! That they are just trying to politicize it because, you know, it really isn't all that bad.

Trump and only Trump is then recorded admitting to Bob Woodward that "it is really, really that bad".

Fully documented fact.

4. Trump and only Trump is the world leader who then spends almost the next year mocking the proven mitigation measures, the ones specifically meant to prevent a virus outbreak somewhere, anywhere, from becoming a Pandemic, and repeating the lie that it is "disappearing" and "will go away without a vaccine", thereby further encouraging the behaviors that produce a Pandemic while discouraging anyone from bothering to invent a vaccine for it or taking one if some company was foolish enough to spend the time and money inventing one.

He was still repeating a variation of that latter lie with his inaccurate prediction that this silly "Covid Covid Covid" issue will go away after the election, "you watch".

Fully documented fact.

See? Just four big fat orange dots to connect with almost no other notable dots on the page.

Name another world leader or any other person on the planet with as damning a series of actions and decisions from the very beginning almost perfectly designed to pave the way for, develop and worsen a Pandemic.

[QUOTE=Canada;2665675]Why do you contradict Elvis's facts with your lies. Do you realize that non of your replies were even half truths? They are blatant lies. Only a complete fool would think that even one of your statements was true. Keep ignoring the facts like the rest of the socialists.[/QUOTE]Canada,

I have put these guys on ignore. I remember one time getting upset with someone with dementia, and I caught myself. I was like what does it say about me that I was upset at this person and had a laugh.

With Covid, Biden is polling negative on the virus, and I do not think it is over. I think the whole notion of his doing a mandate with an experimental vaccine that he knew was illegal showed what Biden was all about. The data is in. Lockdowns did not work. Neither did most masks. The vaccines did not work as advertised and we got to see how the elites can so easily strip our rights from us. I do not think that is going to be forgotten.

I posted in another thread that I feel like the reason a lot of Democrats were so pissed at people like me is that I did not let the virus control my life. I am kind of kicking myself for not going to Sao Paulo when the pandemic was in full swing because it would have been cool to see that city without so much effing traffic. I did go to Medellin, Cancun, Bogota, and Mexico City when the traffic was down and had a great time. I fucked so much my dick almost fell off. There were so many hotties that were down on the luck that I got to "help" he he. Meanwhile, the Democratic DS were glued to their TVs scared as shit in their basements for 2+ years.

Logic does not work on these Democratic DS. All these Dems were bitching for years about Trump and the end of Democracy. Now they have the presidency and both the House and Senate and still cannot get shit done. Biden should be getting anything he wants but he has pissed off members of his own party. The excuses about their ineffectiveness are going to be epic. That is why so many are leaving.

Bill Maher is desperately trying to save the Democratic party. His latest episode may as well have been titled, "Democrats get your head out of your ass."

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wmwk9FvsLL4[/URL]

The first segment was about recalling the San Francisco the because that the will not prosecute criminals. Seriously.

Then it was on to the panel with two fellow Democrats. They talked about the education board members in San Francisco getting recalled, Democrats watching Fox News, Ukraine, the number of Dems retiring in Congress, and crime. They could not agree on anything. Hell, Maher said the Dems were going to get slaughtered in 2022, and he is right. The question is how bad will it be.

These are the same fools who swore that getting Trump out would be great. Now even you have to wonder how many Democrats are saying, "Maybe Trump was not bad after all. At least he was not demented."

So we have like four Democrats here who are demented taking marching orders from a president with dementia. Like AH said, I just do not think we should take them seriously anymore.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2665677]Statistics don't lie, but liars love statistics.[/QUOTE]Yeah, Sweden is like in the bottom 25% of Europe when it comes to deaths and case numbers of Covid.

Thing is the Democratic like to compare Sweden to countries with lower rates. When you compare Sweden to the UK, Sweden did much better.

You know you are a Democratic when you say that is not a valid comparison because of demographics ETC because you know who have been comparing those rates throughout the pandemic? The people in the UK.

Sweden stood for freedom when the elites in the rest of the world took an axe to civil liberties, and the cessation of those liberties did not do jack shit to contain the virus.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2665777]Logical construct is a method to explain one's theory by combining established facts and various data in a straightforward, orderly way.

Anyone who doesn't think that OP's logical construct belongs a 10-year old child please explain why.[/QUOTE]Ok, I'm going with closer to age 3-4.

The only thing he got right were the number in proper sequence. And those are the ages when that usually happens:

[B]"Math Skills and Milestones by Age.
Understood. For learning and thinking differences"[/B]

[URL]https://www.understood.org/articles/en/math-skills-what-to-expect-at-different-ages[/URL]

[QUOTE]Preschoolers (ages 34 years)
Recognize shapes in the real world

Start sorting things by color, shape, size, or purpose

Compare and contrast using classifications like height, size, or gender

Count up to at least 20 and accurately point to and count items in a group

[b]Understand that numerals stand for number names (5 stands for five)[/b].[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2665640]Sorry, can't help you. [/QUOTE]Of course, you can't because you have nothing to offer. You compare Sweden to the other Nordic states but refuse to compare it to other EU states or important states like Iran that have a different Covid distribution. That is because you have a hard on for Trump.

If Russia, China and Germany prevail with Nordstream 2 and with the Belt and Road Initiative, Yankee terrorism, will end as you will no longer be ab LE to pull your scams. Then you can whine about Trump all you like.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2665777]Logical construct is a method to explain one's theory by combining established facts and various data in a straightforward, orderly way.

Anyone who doesn't think that OP's logical construct belongs a 10-year old child please explain why.[/QUOTE]Lies are not constructive. You continue to explain your theory with lies. That is only logical to a socialist.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2665687]A week ago this story blew up all over Fake Fox News.

Each talking head on Fox reported it each hour. With increased lies each hour about this "News?" story.

One week later, numerous legitimate news sources have exposed this for what it was.

Hot Air!

Thanks for the misinformation AxeHole.[/QUOTE]You have it backwards. Fox is reporting the real news on what the investigation is revealing. Fake news is ignoring it. Not even mentioning it. The truth is coming out on Clinton's and democrats illegal activities. Once it is proven fake news will continue to ignore it just as they are doing with Biden incompetence. So far they have proven that the Russian Collusion was a hoax fabricated by Clinton and democrats. Now they have to expose the guilty parties. And they are.

[QUOTE=Canada;2665673]Unbelievable that the Wuhan virus killed millions in China and millions around the world and there are people dumb enough to blame Trump. But look at the post I am replying to. There are people this dumb. In documented facts Trump developed 3 vaccines and before our incompetent Biden took office. Biden has managed to let more people die in USA than Trump did. Maybe if Biden had listened to Trump the death toll would be much less. But there are people dumb enough to try to blame Trump for the Wuhan virus and now the Biden virus. Not only has Biden botched the Wuhan virus but his new Biden virus continues to kill. Facts are facts. Biden is killing people every day.[/QUOTE]You said "Trump developed 3 vaccines" and you are right. But you and most, if not all, supporters of the one-term, twice-impeached, fake-POTUS former guy also say that "the vaccines are worthless".

So what you are really saying is that trump developed 3 worthless vaccines. Because you can't give him credit for developing vaccines and ignore the fact that you say the vaccines are worthless. Well, you can. And the fascists can. But everybody else knows better.

And to boot, you and trump believe that he is a jenius (mis-spelling intentional). We can both agree that he was a construction guy. We can also agree that creating a vaccine is "construction". How many construction contracts don't have some type of a "performance clause"? Especially contracts signed by a jenius? In case you don't know, I'll tell you. [B]None. Zip. Zero. Zilch.[/B] That's how many.

So the final question is "How could such a jenius OK a construction contract without a performance clause?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2665682]Right and people are not buying that shit that Trump is at fault anymore. Biden came in and all he did was be a bigger asshole about restrictions, and the deaths were worse under him.

Maybe we will have the Dems try to claim credit for the virus abating. LOL.

Really good story about the 2022 elections. It is amazing how many Dems are dropping out now that they cannot cheat.

[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/morale-low-house-democrats-retirement-surge-30-year-high[/URL]

If you scroll to the bottom of the page here, [URL]https://www.predictit.org/markets/17/US-Elections[/URL], you get the odds on the 2022 elections. These are not polls but people betting and putting actual money to work.

Odds Republicans win house in 2022 are now 85%, 77% for the Senate, and 54% for president in 2024.[/QUOTE]So, what you're saying is that the same idiots who are giving money to the one-term, twice-impeached, fake-POTUS former guy for things like hats, trumpy-bears, etc are also betting on political races.

Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.

[QUOTE=Canada;2665673]Unbelievable that the Wuhan virus killed millions in China and millions around the world and there are people dumb enough to blame Trump. But look at the post I am replying to. There are people this dumb. In documented facts Trump developed 3 vaccines and before our incompetent Biden took office. Biden has managed to let more people die in USA than Trump did. Maybe if Biden had listened to Trump the death toll would be much less. But there are people dumb enough to try to blame Trump for the Wuhan virus and now the Biden virus. Not only has Biden botched the Wuhan virus but his new Biden virus continues to kill. Facts are facts. Biden is killing people every day.[/QUOTE]The only thing that Biden failed to do was to "not convince the unconvincable" to get vaccinated.

Currently, vaccinated people in the US are dying at the rate of 0.4 per 100,000. The unvaccinated are dying at the rate of 9. 0 per 100,000. "Infectious disease doctors say it is still mainly unvaccinated people, most of whom are in their 30's and 40's with no underlying health issues, who are dying. " [URL]https://www.yahoo.com/gma/dying-covid-still-mainly-unvaccinated-090546286.html[/URL].

But sure, let's blame Biden for not being able to convince the 40% of Republicans who aren't vaccinated. Let's blame Biden for those same idiots who [B]boo'ed[/B] their lord and savior, the one-term, twice-impeached, fake-POTUS former guy, when he said to get vaccinated. Sure, let's blame Biden.

The people who are dying, the vast majority of whom are unvaccinated, are also Republicans. I don't know who came up with the "it is better to die in order to own the libs" strategy, but it is working. It just isn't working fast enough.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2665804]Sweden stood for freedom when the elites in the rest of the world took an axe to civil liberties, and the cessation of those liberties did not do jack shit to contain the virus.[/QUOTE]Sweden failed to take reasonable steps (like their Nordic neighbors did) to slow the spread of Covid.

As a direct result of Sweden's recklessness with the health of its own population.

Sweden suffered many more deaths and illnesses from Covid, when compared to its Nordic neighbors.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2665804]Yeah, Sweden is like in the bottom 25% of Europe when it comes to deaths and case numbers of Covid.

Thing is the Democratic like to compare Sweden to countries with lower rates. When you compare Sweden to the UK, Sweden did much better.

You know you are a Democratic when you say that is not a valid comparison because of demographics ETC because you know who have been comparing those rates throughout the pandemic? The people in the UK.

Sweden stood for freedom when the elites in the rest of the world took an axe to civil liberties, and the cessation of those liberties did not do jack shit to contain the virus.[/QUOTE]So between Sweden, the UK and the USA, which country has the highest deaths per capita? I'll bet you'll try to "spin" the answer. [URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/URL].

[QUOTE=Canada;2665912]You have it backwards. Fox is reporting the real news on what the investigation is revealing. Fake news is ignoring it. Not even mentioning it. The truth is coming out on Clinton's and democrats illegal activities. Once it is proven fake news will continue to ignore it just as they are doing with Biden incompetence. So far they have proven that the Russian Collusion was a hoax fabricated by Clinton and democrats. Now they have to expose the guilty parties. And they are.[/QUOTE]What is next from you? Left is really right? Up is really down?

Even Durham said that FUX "News" and the rest of the wingnut media had it all wrong. [URL]https://businessinsider.mx/durham-says-media-may-have-misinterpreted-previous-filing-2022-2/?r=US&IR=T[/URL].

Durham said this: "The special counsel John Durham said in a new court filing that "members of the media" may have "misinterpreted" claims that he made in a previous filing."

The remainder is word-for-word from the linked article.

"The acknowledgment in Thursday's filing came as former President Donald Trump and the right-wing media falsely claim that an earlier filing from Durham definitively proves that the Hillary Clinton campaign "illegally spied" on Trump in 2016 and 2017.

That filing related to a conflict-of-interest matter in Durham's ongoing case against the former Clinton campaign lawyer Michael Sussmann, who was charged last year with lying to the FBI. It did not allege that anyone associated with the Clinton campaign illegally spied on Trump or his White House.

But Trump and right-wing media outlets including Fox News, the New York Post, and Breitbart claimed that the details in the filing proved Trump was the victim of a Democratic-led conspiracy to illegally surveil him and fabricate a link to Russia.

Sussmann's lawyers cited some of those articles and accused Durham of purposely including misleading details in his filing, alleging that their inclusion was "plainly intended to politicize this case, inflame media coverage and taint the jury pool."

But Durham rejected that accusation, saying on Thursday that he's not at fault if anyone misunderstood the details in the filing.

"Defense counsel has presumed the Government's bad faith and asserts that the Special Counsel's Office intentionally sought to politicize this case, inflame media coverage, and taint the jury pool," Thursday's filing said. "That is simply not true."

"If third parties or members of the media have overstated, understated, or otherwise misinterpreted facts contained in the Government's Motion, that does not in any way undermine the valid reasons for the Government's inclusion of this information," it continued.

Sussmann was charged last year with lying to the FBI during a conversation with then FBI general counsel James Baker in 2016. Durham's indictment said that Sussmann "lied about the capacity in which he was providing" allegations to the FBI about what he claimed was a "secret communications channel" between the Trump Organization and Russia's Alfa Bank. The bureau has not uncovered sufficient evidence of such a connection.

The indictment said Sussmann lied to the FBI when he told Baker he wasn't working on behalf of any client. In fact, the indictment said, Sussmann was acting on behalf of the Clinton campaign, an unnamed tech executive, and an internet company.

Multiple media outlets have reported that the executive is Rodney Joffe, who works at the cybersecurity firm Neustar. According to court documents, Sussmann worked with Joffe to put together the materials and data that Sussmann ultimately provided to the FBI when conveying his concerns about Trump's ties to Russia.

Joffe has not been charged with a crime. But Durham's office said Joffe "exploited" his access to DNS traffic that his company had lawful access to from 2014-2017 as part of a government contract to monitor for cyberattacks and malware, and which was later provided to researchers at Georgia Tech. Investigators said Joffe tasked the researchers with going through the data to establish an "inference" and "narrative" tying then candidate Trump to Russia.

While the details in the filing raised questions about the ethics of their conduct, Durham did not accuse Sussmann or Joffe of spying or hacking. And cybersecurity experts also say the details do not support the claim that the Clinton campaign unlawfully surveilled Trump.

DNS services like the one offered by Neustar essentially "monitor your traffic in the event that you might be sent to a malicious site," Karim Hijazi, the CEO of the cybersecurity firm Prevailion and a former intelligence community contractor, told Insider earlier this week. "They'll stop the traffic, limit it, or redirect it to somewhere safe. So by definition, if you're using a service like Neustar's, your activity is being monitored because that's what you're buying."

Julian Sanchez, a senior fellow at the Cato Institute focusing on technology, privacy, and civil liberties, echoed that view.

"Neither Joffe nor the GA Tech researchers were being paid by the Clinton campaign," he wrote on Twitter. "Nobody 'hacked or 'intercepted anything. They were analyzing data they had lawful access to, in order to look for suspicious patterns that might suggest foreign cyberattacks."

But sure, let's call FUX "News" the real news. While you're at it, why not say that the earth is flat or the moon is made out of green cheese. All three assertions are equally true.

"I learned that Barry had also been charged with casting his missing wife's mail-in ballot in the 2020 presidential election for Trump." [URL]https://news.yahoo.com/cousin-allegedly-killed-wife-cast-015824872.html[/URL].

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2665960]What is next from you? Left is really right? Up is really down?

Even Durham said that FUX "News" and the rest of the wingnut media had it all wrong. [URL]https://businessinsider.mx/durham-says-media-may-have-misinterpreted-previous-filing-2022-2/?r=US&IR=T[/URL].

Durham said this: "The special counsel John Durham said in a new court filing that "members of the media" may have "misinterpreted" claims that he made in a previous filing."

The remainder is word-for-word from the linked article.

"The acknowledgment in Thursday's filing came as former President Donald Trump and the right-wing media falsely claim that an earlier filing from Durham definitively proves that the Hillary Clinton campaign "illegally spied" on Trump in 2016 and 2017.

That filing related to a conflict-of-interest matter in Durham's ongoing case against the former Clinton campaign lawyer Michael Sussmann, who was charged last year with lying to the FBI. It did not allege that anyone associated with the Clinton campaign illegally spied on Trump or his White House.

But Trump and right-wing media outlets including Fox News, the New York Post, and Breitbart claimed that the details in the filing proved Trump was the victim of a Democratic-led conspiracy to illegally surveil him and fabricate a link to Russia..[/QUOTE]Nothing you can fabricate will change the truth. Durham will complete his investigation and the truth will be known. And hopefully the guilty parties will have to face the consequences.