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[QUOTE=Evan Stoner]Really??ES[/QUOTE]You know I struggled with this, at first I was going to say she was only 4 foot!I'm 6 foot and I swear as we were walking together that she was at least 2 feet shorter than me. Mike

Thanks both for replying. I had a problem with the caller ID issue as dialing 186 as instructed from the hotel phone doesn't seem to work. Eventually called from a mobile instead. Did not manage to try anyone, as no one I am interested in seems to be available. Bad luck I suppose.[QUOTE=Ice Tea13]I would agree, the place is still alive and kicking. I called them tonight to inquire about availability and there were no vacancies, alas this is because quite a few of their girls were off due to the period. My last session there was with the girl called Emi. I would not recommend her, it was a waste of time and money. However, I had plenty of experiences where my experience was more then satisfactory. YMMV.In any case I would suggest to call during the day time or very late morning. Typically they have girls available either for the evening of the same day or for some day(s) ahead. This has been my experience to date. The only thing to add here is that I started using their service shortly when they opened for business and have been a repeat customer. Interesting that mama-san knows me (probably caller id) pretty well and remembers all the girls I had over the time... this is an interesting example of truly knowing your customer :-)BTW, while we are on the same subject, Junko is back - she was MIA for a few weeks or more. I did not have her before and was told that she looks more like half Japanese and half 'white woman' just a tid bit I thought is worth sharing.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lion]The website displays a price of 120min/30,000 [so likely 60,000 total] and a -20,000 discount for a free (they choose girl) midday course [so 40,000].Paying 90,000 is way too much, equal to a 50% gaijin tax. However if you are loaded, I guess it means little. Since I will never be able to afford 45,000/hr, it doesn't affect me really.[/QUOTE]I am not loaded but as someone pointed out earlier, it really is an experience of a life time. I have never done trips like this before and I am not likely to do it again any time soon. So even I am not really loaded I wouldn't try to ruin my experience by arguing with them over 20000 yen or something which is really just a small fraction of the total cost of the trip. This mentality probably is different from people who are going for it every other week.

[QUOTE=Dbdoll]Same price as I paid. When I was there, I a Japanese salary man entered right after me. While I didn't rudely stare and try to count the money he plopped down, it seemed like he was forking out about the same amount. Maybe minus the website discount (which was definitely not for Gaijin). So I don't think there is really a big foreigner tax here. It is just a high end, very expensive place.I think that is a big part of the attraction about this kind of place. I wouldn't call the service GFE. More like LFE (loving servant experience). As I said in my post from last month, it made me feel like the Shogun.Didn't get this on my session, but really can't blame her. She probably took one look at my yellow toenails and said "nope, I'd rather lick his ass". Which she did.I guess I was lucky, in that the girl I was with went straight into BBBJ/CFS before the shower, so I had more time to recharge. However, with only 2 hours I can see how if you don't fire right away you might not get another chance.[/QUOTE]I didn't get an ass lick. Nor any of the special things like tits fuck or sumata which seems to be mentioned very often on this board. However I really don't think I can get the toe lick from anywhere else. So I am happy.

[QUOTE=Matsu69]I've been reading so much about Grinpeur lately, I decided to give it a shot. Arrived about 4:30PM and was shown pictures of 3 girls (Ageha, Yun, and Airi) that were available. I remembered the post above mentioned Ageha was down for FS and figured I would give it a go.Same treatment as mentioned above. Bath, slippery body gel, menthol BJ gel, etc. But when it came down to it, she was not down for FS, and said she never did FS with customers. I spent some time south of the border doing DATY. She came several times (she said she came 4 times) and asked me how come I was so good at that. I figured I was good to go for FS. But it was not to be! She did an amazing sumata however. I had to do a double take on several occasions. She even did a revers cowgirl sumata that totally freaked me out. I mean I thought sure I was inside her. Which I absolutely didn't want to be as I wasn't covered. I pulled away a little bit and she leaned over and moved her ahnd to show me that I wasn't really inside. WOW! I have had sumata on several occasions before, but nothing like this! As for the BBBJ, the menthol BJ gel was really great! She warms it in hot water and when she uses it's indescribable.Lastly, this girl is a bit freaky. When we were getting warmed up on the bed, she started making some kind of cat-like noises. Then when I was doin' the DATY she would put her hand in her mouth and make squeals that sound like a newborn baby when she came. She kind of threw me off my game when she first came, but I soldiered on.So. As for the report from Xslikx above, either he is a slick operator and she was putty in his hands, or she totally fooled him with some excellent sumata technique. Either way it was no dice in my case. YMMV! [/QUOTE]That sounds great. Now I really regret missing out on Grimpeur. I was at the door and found the 666 sign. But I didn't know exactly where is Grimpeur in there.

[QUOTE=Papaiya]That sounds great. Now I really regret missing out on Grimpeur. I was at the door and found the 666 sign. But I didn't know exactly where is Grimpeur in there.[/QUOTE]As you walk in the front door of the building, on the ground floor, there are two doorways. One to the left (A) and one to the right (B). Got into the one to the right, and you will see a series of doors. The first 2 doors are closed and have signs saying not to enter in Japanese. The third door is a split door with the top half open and an attendant sitting down behind the lower half of the door. You have arrived at Grinpeur. This is the guy you have to talk to.It's a little confusing at first, but generally in Japan I find if the door is open or unlocked it never hurts to go in and at least try.Good hunting.

[QUOTE=Matsu69]I've been reading so much about Grinpeur lately, I decided to give it a shot. Arrived about 4:30PM and was shown pictures of 3 girls (Ageha, Yun, and Airi) that were available. I remembered the post above mentioned Ageha was down for FS and figured I would give it a go.Same treatment as mentioned above... bath, slippery body gel, menthol BJ gel, etc. But when it came down to it, she was not down for FS, and said she never did FS with customers. I spent some time south of the border doing DATY. She came several times (she said she came 4 times) and asked me how come I was so good at that. I figured I was good to go for FS... but it was not to be!She did an amazing sumata however. I had to do a double take on several occasions. She even did a revers cowgirl sumata that totally freaked me out. I mean I thought sure I was inside her... which I absolutely didn't want to be as I wasn't covered. I pulled away a little bit and she leaned over and moved her ahnd to show me that I wasn't really inside.... WOW! I have had sumata on several occasions before, but nothing like this!As for the BBBJ, the menthol BJ gel was really great! She warms it in hot water and when she uses it's indescribable.Lastly, this girl is a bit freaky. When we were getting warmed up on the bed, she started making some kind of cat-like noises. Then when I was doin' the DATY she would put her hand in her mouth and make squeals that sound like a newborn baby when she came. She kind of threw me off my game when she first came, but I soldiered on. So - as for the report from Xslikx above, either he is a slick operator and she was putty in his hands, or she totally fooled him with some excellent sumata technique. Either way it was no dice in my case... YMMV![/QUOTE]I had the same experience as Matsu. No FS, but very good otherwise. The Sumata was definitely a double take and felt for real.

Have anyone been to this place?[url]http://www.o-fullhouse.com/menu.htm[/url]Website design looks very much like the one of busty-p in Ueno.Maybe same owner/group?

[QUOTE=Ronin7788]Have anyone been to this place?[url]http://www.o-fullhouse.com/menu.htm[/url]Website design looks very much like the one of busty-p in Ueno.Maybe same owner/group?[/QUOTE]Yeah, should be the same owner. Also, ladies are all Chinese. BJ

[QUOTE=Stacey Kane]I had the same experience as Matsu. No FS, but very good otherwise. The Sumata was definitely a double take and felt for real.[/QUOTE]Sorry if I mislead people into thinking that FS is always on the menu with Ageha. I fucked her the same way I fuck any other girl - I put on the condom when we were making out and I was going down on her etc, and then I just slowly put my cock in her pussy. I never asked her about it, just as I don't ask a girl I pick up on the street or at bar if it's OK. I just go ahead and do it - but slowly, so they have plenty of time to say no. These are Japanese girls, after all. Unless they've had a fairly full experience of western culture, you can't expect them to be straightforward about anything. Say you're bringing a girl to a love hotel, you can't just ask if she wants to go to a love hotel, you have to ask if she wants to rest, or watch a movie or not ask anything at all and just lead her there. You also can't expect them to be honest about anything. Sometimes they will just offer random bullshit - like "that's the first time anyone has every fucked me in a karaoke booth" or "cum on my face" or whatever. Not because it's true or because it matters to you, but because they want you to have a certain idea of who they are. It's not that they want you to know who they really are - they want you to know who they want you to believe they are.

Yup, that's the way to do it. I had another one at Grimpeur, who shall remain nameless. She was really into it, slurping on Mr. Happy when I reached over for an Okamoto. Spotting it, she said "hey, do you do such bad things with all the girls? " "Yes I do! " I replied as I rolled her onto her back. She just giggled and made me promise to come see her again. Of course, darling. =P I've had more success with girls that are newer or not as popular. If a girl looks timid and guarded in the photos I avoid her. Some of the hotter, more experienced ones will demure unless you dangle a tip and a promise not to talk. Seriously, it can be hit or miss so don't go there with the expectation of FS. What Xslikx mentioned applies to non-pros as well. If you take the lead and act like it's normal she may just go right along with it. By taking the responsibility for what happens you give her plausible deniability. "He was so hot for me the next thing I knew we were making out in a taxi back to his place." A buddy of mine calls this the "Bad Man Made Me Do It" syndrome. LOL.[QUOTE=Xslikx]Sorry if I mislead people into thinking that FS is always on the menu with Ageha. I fucked her the same way I fuck any other girl - I put on the condom when we were making out and I was going down on her etc, and then I just slowly put my cock in her pussy. I never asked her about it, just as I don't ask a girl I pick up on the street or at bar if it's OK. I just go ahead and do it - but slowly, so they have plenty of time to say no. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bj Star]Yeah, should be the same owner. Also, ladies are all Chinese. BJ[/QUOTE]Can you give me directions? I know they are in Otsuka and I shall call them from the station but would prefer to have a little bit direction before. I can handle basic japanese but sometimes the directions given over the phone are a bit difficult to understand.Thanks for the help.BTW; I suppose they are GF as busty-p.

Not to be a wet rag mates, but you walk a line when you push a girl into FS.Sounds like you've each done okay so far and good on you, but one of the big issues a lot of places have with foreigners is just this. Especially if shes not keen and as you say just doesnt know how to say "NO." or "Get off me." What you do in your private life is nobody else's business but keep in mind the issues involved and the possible repercussions not just for the girl but for all the other punters out there. Say she does say "Yada," or "yamete," (No or No)? I'd hope we'd all take her word for it and not just go hard in. If not you better be damn sure.. or there's a word for that.Morals aside--there is at least one place that posts polaroids of customers who fuck the girl when theyre not supposed to. Same customers are also banned after that.Don't want to get into a philosophical discussion here so dont take it as a challenge. Just offering an alternative view.

Hi there,I am usually a lurker, but in a mood to share recent experiences:Yuri from Ucla Little Bear in Ikebukuro ([url]http://uclabear.kir.jp/girls/yuri/index.html[/url]): she is definitely not great-looking, but does have a nice ass, and VERY friendly. What she lacks in looks she makes up for in conversation and willingness to service. Basically walked in, asked to choose - the guy said OK and took my shimei money, but never actually showed me any pictures. He chose for me, apparently. A little pissed off about that but oh well. The wait was only a few minutes but I guess that's because I came in the afternoon on a weekday. Walk into a very small room with essentially just a bed, lots of towels, and an attached bathroom. Hopped in the shower, then to the bed. She wasn't much of a kisser (more like she didn't want to kiss), but that's ok. she started off with a 69 CBJ. I was surprised at the condom because, well, it's not standard in a health place. I'm not sure what her technique was like because I didn't actually feel anything (condoms..) - the view was pretty nice though and I played with it for a bit. Too scared to go down on a working girl though so didn't - although it was certainly tempting. A bit later she came up and started sumata which was actually quite good. It took a long time but she did put an effort. She was VERY nice and chatted throughout the whole session which was nice - she seems to enjoy her work which is a good thing. I don't like girls who are in it only for the money because it makes me feel like a jerk taking advantage of them. Kind of weird maybe? I dunno.Overall: 7Looks: 6 (average face, average body. a bit on the "big" side for a J-girl. I normally prefer thinner/smaller)BJ Technique: 0? (couldn't feel it, so I guess 0?)Sumata: 10Friendliness: 10GFE: she said she doesn't mind gaijin at all. definitely OK.English skills: I have no idea. We spoke only Japanese. I did get the feeling she does speak quite a bit of English though which is probably why the papa-san "chose" for me - although not needed in my case.Damage: 11,000 for 50 minutes, 20,000 more to choose (see above)---The other night I was clubbing in Shibuya with some Japanese friends, and we somehow ended up hanging out in Roppongi until 9am (I blame alcohol). At which point me and another guy were talking while walking to the train station, and I was joking about the "massaji-dou-desuka" Chinese girls being too tired to approach us (that's a first!!). He then did a double-take and was like "let me show you this place!!!" and dragged me back to Shibuya to the area where Grimpeur is. He took me to the place right as you walk up the slope thingie and has a pink sign, maybe ichigo-something, unfortunately the minute the door-guy saw me it the hands were crossed. No way here. So we went up to another store above it, where the door-guy did the same thing, but my (Japanese) friend basically talked him into allowing me in. Thing is- there was only one girl available and the pictures didn't do her any favors. We chose to pass. He then took me to another place which ended up being [url]http://www.garden-gal.com/[/url] - apparently it's a hotel-health type place. The guy as usual said "gaijin ha dame", but he wasn't as strong about it as the other places, i.e. he didn't do the cross-arm thing. My friend was pretty hilarious telling him it's ok, I'm "half". While my Japanese can definitely pass as hafu, I look 100% gaijin. tenchou of course didn't buy it, but I think at that point he just didn't care and decided it was easier to just ask the girl. Called her up and said it was OK. Speaking of the girl - he gave us a choice of 5 girls, but the pictures really didn't show much. I chose the shortest girl hoping she would be cute, but ended up with Karen ([url]http://www.garden-gal.com/index.php?ac=girlprofile&id=1483[/url]) - she's not horrible looking, but not great either.Thing is- apparently Karen was a newbie and just started in the biz a few days earlier. Did the shower thing, then hopped on the bed where she started aggressively DKing me which was a surpise. Oh well, went with it. A lot of touching etc. but it was all me. She came a couple of times at which point my thinking is like "wtf? I didn't come here to get HER off, I came here for her to get ME off"... throughout the whole thing she never even touched me. Just when I was going to provide some "guidance" towards what I really wanted, her alarm thingie went off. Apparently 50 minutes have turned into more like 20. When the alarm went off she immediately proceeded to say something stupid along the lines of "50 minutes is so short" and "it's 10 minutes before 50 minutes so we need to take a shower". I was totally pissed off honestly, but didn't say anything. No point in saying anything - she was new to the biz, and 100% in it just for the money. Pretty sure SHE got off - but I didn't. Completely pointless and a complete waste of money.Took a shower, and chatted a bit. As if what just happened (didn't happen) wasn't enough - she added insult to injury by telling me she doesn't understand why people go to fuzoku and not instead just go and nanpa someone at a bar. I was thinking WTF.. you're spitting in the well you're drinking from... but again didn't say anything. I figured while we're talking about stuff we shouldn't be talking about I might as well ask - and did - why she decided to start fuzoku, and yes- something happened and she needed the money. This is the type of girl that obviously shouldn't be in the industry - is doing it just for the money - does not want to do it - and provides bad service for those who give her a try.As I was going home I called my friend who had his cell off. After something like 30 minutes he calls me back and said he just got out. Apparently the 50 minutes he got weren't the same 50 minutes I (didn't) get. It wasn't all in my mind. He was very happy with the girl he got, so I'm not quite sure about the store in general.Overall: 0 for the girl - not sure about the store. a different girl might be better.Looks: body is cute, face ruins it.. maybe 7 for the bodyBJ Technique: huh? what BJ? she didn't even touch me...Friendliness: 5 - she wasn't friendly at first. once she figured I can carry a conversation in Japanese she became more friendly, but she definitely broke a few unwritten rules with the fuzoku topic at the end.GFE: Store is NOT gaijin-friendly, but you'll definitely get in if you're fluent in Japanese and come with a Japanese friend. Alone I doubt they'll let you in unless you've already been there before.English skills: Zero. No English from neither the girl nor tencho - don't even try.Damage: 13,000 for 50 minutes, 2500 more for the hotelWould I try it again? good question. I don't know. If the spur of the moment hits and same friend drags me back there I suppose I'd go for it - but it's not a place I'll specifically go to.A note about the above: while I did get incredibly poor service (or none, really) from Karen - I am still gaijin. If I ***** and whine about it the store isn't going to care - instead they're going to just make their no-gaijin policy stricter. In the interest of not ruining it for everyone else - I kept my opinion to myself and just took it as a lesson to avoid Karen. I sure hope those of you who encounter similar poor experiences do the same - do NOT complain, or next time none of us (gaijin) will be able to even get in the place. They don't care if you didn't like it - they don't need to. In their mind if you don't like it you can just go away. Keep that in mind, and be as nice as you can to the staff regardless of how well you are treated. Also- learn a little (a lot!) Japanese. this goes a LONG way into getting better service and a better atmosphere, and ensuring these places stay open for us.Good luck![size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size]

Ozboy: Good point, but I don't think anyone is suggesting to "push". You're right, you will get in trouble. What I'm saying is to gently and slowly lead in the desired direction. Act like it's normal but allow her the chance to respond. I've had a couple say "ok. But that'll cost you more" and one who said she just doesn't do that. In the latter case I just dropped it. Unless there is a language barrier I doubt many of them would have a problem protesting. Of course, social common sense applies in paying attention to her mood. If you're really unsure you can always get her hot and heavy and then naughtily suggest, "ne, wouldn't it be so much more fun if we." and let her respond. You're being clear about your intention while still leading.[QUOTE=Ozboy]Not to be a wet rag mates, but you walk a line when you push a girl into FS.Sounds like you've each done okay so far and good on you, but one of the big issues a lot of places have with foreigners is just this. Especially if shes not keen and as you say just doesnt know how to say "NO." or "Get off me."[/QUOTE]