East China - Shanghai

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1411556]A sauna is the most suitable solution. By my reading here (have not expereienced that, but saunas only) barber shops are quite a quick business. 30' a the most. Chep but quick. Pipe cleaning.[/QUOTE]Thank you Bionicman for this prompt reply.

Are there any saunas you can recommend to find possible GFE? And I saw some saunas refer for 50 to 90 minutes in the room. What shoukd be a standart time of session, maybe 90 minutes? Are the time of each session is controlled by management or by the girl or by yourself, four not being to ripped-off.

Are two pops allowed in a single session if I am quick enough and do some sauna girls DFK?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Creature2; 1411561]Thank you Bionicman for this prompt reply.

Are there any saunas you can recommend to find possible GFE? And I saw some saunas refer for 50 to 90 minutes in the room. What shoukd be a standart time of session, maybe 90 minutes? Are the time of each session is controlled by management or by the girl or by yourself, four not being to ripped-off.

Are two pops allowed in a single session if I am quick enough and do some sauna girls DFK?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Bodi. 999, Shangai Hotel, Baoan Hotel, Merryllin, depends wchi side of Shangai you are and a RTFF will also help you in determining whether suitable to your needs.

There are no rip-off's in the sauna. Sometime a girl might not be au pair with expectations, bu thtat is very seldom. DFK, yes and no, depends from the girls, but I have not seen that as an obstacle.

They are very attentive to hygiene and will give you a sip of listerine before. So that is a good sign.

The time is stricly a matter of price list, it is marked there. Two pops should be possible (not alwyas in Macau saunas for instance) , just eventually clarify with the manager.

Not full english speaking but they have better than the girls.

Often happens that if you are happy at the 45', and the time is 60', the girl will not let you go and wait for the 60', otehrwise she might get troubles from the management. That is another good sign. In some cases the phone rings and the girl passes it over to you, if you are happy justs say "all ok". If you are not happy. Oh well. Good luck in explaining why in Chinese!

The range in services varies a lot. Each sauna has a set time and the girl is pissed off if you leave early, unless she and the staff know you. The concern is that you are not happy with the service and the girls are docked. The services range from a hand job, cause your dick is too big, to a great great great fuck. Kissing. 2 pops if you click. All the girls will fuck you. Some well, some poorly. First fucks are seldom the best. If she fucks well the first time, the second. Third and so on will get better. And she may also have a bad day now and then. She can't choose her customers. They choose her. Treat her like a girlfriend. Bring her a little gift. It's worth it if you like great fucking. If you and her are up for it you can come twice, well I can now and then. If you like big tits and a large asses you will most likely not be very happy. I have never seen a shaved pussy in China. Does that mean there aren't any? Nope. I just haven't seen them. Treat her like a fucking ***** and I'm fairly sure she will reciprocate. The field is yours. Have a great fucking adventure.

[QUOTE=Creature2; 1411561]Thank you Bionicman for this prompt reply.

Are there any saunas you can recommend to find possible GFE? And I saw some saunas refer for 50 to 90 minutes in the room. What shoukd be a standart time of session, maybe 90 minutes? Are the time of each session is controlled by management or by the girl or by yourself, four not being to ripped-off.

Are two pops allowed in a single session if I am quick enough and do some sauna girls DFK?

Thanks[/QUOTE]

It might be useful to create categories in the Shanghai thread similar to Bangkok's threads.

This would likely improve one's ability to RTFF.

Or, to put it another way Organize The F*ing Forum (OTFF) to enhance the hit rate when you RTFF.

Something like this, again, similar to Thailand's with specific reference to the the Bangkok threads.

Shanghai Reports.

Shanghai Saunas: Bodi, Merrylin, Heting, and more.

Shanghai Rub & Tug: Massage Parlours.

Shanghai Pick Up Bars: Manhattans, Malones, and More.

Simple and straight forward, it will (at a minimum) fence off the big topics and guide readers (newbies in particular) in the right direction.

That having been said, Jackson, how do we go about doing this?

A community vote?

Flip a coin?

Your thoughts?

I can only second Applecrates great suggestion!

Jackson, can you hear us?

Gregory.

[QUOTE=Applecrate; 1411654]It might be useful to create categories in the Shanghai thread similar to Bangkok's threads.

This would likely improve one's ability to RTFF.

Or, to put it another way Organize The F*ing Forum (OTFF) to enhance the hit rate when you RTFF.

Something like this, again, similar to Thailand's with specific reference to the the Bangkok threads.

Shanghai Reports.

Shanghai Saunas: Bodi, Merrylin, Heting, and more.

Shanghai Rub & Tug: Massage Parlours.

Shanghai Pick Up Bars: Manhattans, Malones, and More.

Simple and straight forward, it will (at a minimum) fence off the big topics and guide readers (newbies in particular) in the right direction.

That having been said, Jackson, how do we go about doing this?

A community vote?

Flip a coin?

Your thoughts?[/QUOTE]

Since many WG's are using Wechat (along with everyone else in China) I think it could have a new use. As a screen. To test this, whoever is interested, open up your Look Around function in Wechat next time you are in Manhattans, which can be crazy, crowded and chaotic. I guess all the WG's in there will appear as being Within 20 meters. It could be an easy way to survey the place (in the dark) without even walking around. If a WG looks good, just use Wechat to connect. Anyone interested to try? Report back who you see that's good and how it went.

How about a thread for those that like to flame each other. The rest of us have to scroll past, trying to find something useful.

My two renminbi.

BJ.

Can only second Applecrates great suggestion!

Jackson, can you hear us?

Gregory.[/QUOTE]

If the photos are real. Haha.

Gregory.

[QUOTE=Garibaldi;1411703]Since many WG's are using Wechat (along with everyone else in China) I think it could have a new use. As a screen. To test this, whoever is interested, open up your Look Around function in Wechat next time you are in Manhattans, which can be crazy, crowded and chaotic. I guess all the WG's in there will appear as being Within 20 meters. It could be an easy way to survey the place (in the dark) without even walking around. If a WG looks good, just use Wechat to connect. Anyone interested to try? Report back who you see that's good and how it went.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GregoryB; 1411877]If the photos are real. Haha.

Gregory.[/QUOTE]In this country 99% is fake. All "independent" working girls use fake pictures for the web, so why should it be much different with Wechat.

[QUOTE=Garibaldi;1411703]next time you are in Manhattans.If a WG looks good, just use Wechat to connect.[/QUOTE]Ok let me get this clear. I am in a bar full of hoares who are all breaking their necks to get me to phuck them and give them a fist full of Maos. So rather than bowl up to one I should check their pictures on some internet site. Well phuck me. That's the mistake I have been making last 20 years. I thought talking face to face. Fondling their bodies to check hardness. Assessing their potential performance through a thorough interview process. God how much time have I wasted. Thanks for the tip mate!

[QUOTE=Koenigg;1410473]Do you when Fino massage opens? I'd like to get in a session during my short layover in Shanghai, but I would only be in the city between 11am and 2pm.[/QUOTE]Open Hours: 12:00am to 02:00am.

Great irony, I like a lot.

Manhattan is exactly the right place to get the in touch with the real thing. Only thing left is inability to brain pick.

I had 3 tests done only the first was a repeat, so may be due to my inability to read them in spite of my resolution to be more picky the next time. Haha.

But still, Manhattan is by far better than any of those internet sites with glorious pictures and promises. I will repeat in the hope of getting wiser, at least I learned to negotiate.

Gregory.

[QUOTE=Bad Boy Billy;1411914]Ok let me get this clear. I am in a bar full of hoares who are all breaking their necks to get me to phuck them and give them a fist full of Maos. So rather than bowl up to one I should check their pictures on some internet site. Well phuck me. That's the mistake I have been making last 20 years. I thought talking face to face. Fondling their bodies to check hardness. Assessing their potential performance through a thorough interview process. God how much time have I wasted. Thanks for the tip mate![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bad Boy Billy;1411914]Ok let me get this clear. I am in a bar full of hoares who are all breaking their necks to get me to phuck them and give them a fist full of Maos. So rather than bowl up to one I should check their pictures on some internet site. Well phuck me. That's the mistake I have been making last 20 years. I thought talking face to face. Fondling their bodies to check hardness. Assessing their potential performance through a thorough interview process. God how much time have I wasted. Thanks for the tip mate![/QUOTE]Ah ah spot on! Do you finally get it?

Welcome to the virtual world! Connect with friends you donot know about. And they call this "social media". WTF!

Do not forget to fill in the "satisfaction form" before logging out.

[QUOTE=Creature2; 1411559]Will stay in Hotel Forte, a little outskirt of the town. Any info about this hotel, whether it is girl friendly or not?

This hotel is in Yili Road and in Shanghai Nightlife Guide's sauna map I saw two saunas which are very close to my hotel. The firdt choice is callef Jun Hao and the second one is Hai Lao. Nuru massage and Red Rope thing intrigued my attention but I don't know if these are overpriced or not. Maybe normal service is more fun or should I try new oriental things, maybe I like who knows?

How can I get thosr two saunas? Does name cards and adress cards in both chienese and english available down here in forum on the previous pages?

Thanks in advance for helping me to find GFE if available in town.[/QUOTE]Forte hotel is a decent hotel, mainly caters to Japanese / Taiwanese clientele, don't expect much western feeling from the place.

I often stay there and never had a problem bringing a girl back.

The hotel is quite small for your info. Let's say when they opened a few years back it was much better but one cannot complain too much.

As for Saunas, you have at 5 minutes walking distance the former Zhongtian Sauna Club, now it has another name (Xinghe). It's very near the Sheraton Hotel, just around the corner. I always had good service, although it's a rather old Sauna and not so lush compared to Hong Song and the other popular ones. Price is like other Sauna around 880RMB if I'm not wrong.

[QUOTE=MightyWind2; 1409246]Happy ending (HE) places are located most everywhere throughout the city. How to differentiate one from a regular massage place? There are some tell-tale signs to look for. Typically the first tell-tale sign from far away is the store's signage. Most will have the words Massage and Spa together in their title – 'Spa' being the keyword. Another dead-giveaway is that there will be (in addition to Chinese) Japanese and / or Korean wording on the sign. If you can't tell the difference between Japanese, Korean, and Chinese writing, just Google it I guess. These are the 20-meters-away signs of a happy ending place. Once you get nearer to the front door / window, the second tell-tale sign will be that the girls are typically dressed in black miniskirts, black pantyhose and black high heels. Come to think of it, I think this has been the dress for 95-98% of the happy ending places I've been to. They might mix it up with a white short jacket, but generally if the girls are in tight miniskirts and showing off lots of leg in high heels, bingo you are good to go. The girls are the enticement so they will be deliberately showcasing the girls in the front window. BBS girls do not typically have a standard uniform, where much more revealing clothing and generally look more ho-ish for lack of a nicer word. Basically if the girls look sexy and a bit like uniformed sexy office ladies – it is a HE place.

Store appearance and layout also differentiate a happy ending spa from a BBS. BBSs will typically be a semi-dingy looking hole in the wall room that has a barber chair or two in front of a large mirrored wall. The focus is not cleanliness or presentation. Happy-ending spas will actually look more like a legit massage place, except for the girls in their sexy outfits. The lobby / entrance will typically be clean and have a orderly reception counter. The girls will be off to one side on a 'nice' couch or sofa.

Legit massage places (zero or super super discrete hanky-panky) generally won't have their masseuses dressed up and looking skanky or too sexy. Uniforms might be loose fitting track suit type outfits to yoga wear-type clothing. Generally you don't expect any hanky panky if you go to one of these places, or if the massage place has a very Chinese-looking theme: old Chinese style with lots of wood (like Congen Massage chain). I have been very tempted to, but haven't directly asked a legit massage place girl to give me a happy ending, although at some places there has been 'inadvertent' ball or shaft brushing, maybe as a tease. I think I've been afraid to ask because it's at the ones I typically go to for legit massages and would be embarrassed to show up again if I asked and was rejected.

Typical massage starts with a legit body massage (quality depends on skill of girl). This will then evolve into an ass and light or heavy (depending on your pref) asshole massage and then flip over and onto the frank and beans. Generally you will provide the girl a 100 RMB tip for a HJ during a 60-90 minute massage session. If I double up the session I will tip 200, although I don't know if this is common practice or not. The massage itself will probably cost (depending on shop) between 180-350 RMB. You typically shower (in the room) before and after the oil HJ massage. You can generally grope the girl, though she might want a tip for taking her top or panties off (depends on girl and your relationship with her). Some girls are ok with fingering (pussy and / or ass) some girls are not – again depends on girl. If you go to a HE place near lots of expats / foreign travelers (Jinqiao and near the Expo come to mind) , expect the girls to want 300+ tip for a HE. I try to avoid these places as the girls have been spoiled.[/QUOTE]Mightywind,

Many thanks for this excellent and elaborate report! My question refers to the tip in a SPA for the HJ treatment. I have noticed that many girls in central Pudong area ask Y300 for tip (I am of mixed race, but of course considered laowai.) and are difficult to negotiate down. Only two years back I could easily escape with Y200 and even found a great Y100 place (total price for 60 min) which unfortunately does not exist anymore. With so many resident foreigners and 5 star hotels around it is difficult to find a real 'local' place with lower price expectations. My questions are twofold : 1) where to find more 'local' massage places in Pudong, not too far out and 2) when to discuss the tip. I usually (first visit) let the girl start the massage and wait till she bring it up. This of course is a passive method and does not leave much initiative / bargaining power for me. Would you recommend to discuss the tip from the start. When you think about it, I pay Y350 for a 90 min massage to the shop and then Y300 tip. A visit to Sacrosa (70 min FS) is only Y580. Oh, now I think of a third question : I would like to try a four hand massage, should I then double the tip even though the girls are only doing half the work each, I mean I only have one dick.

Thanks, bro