East China - Shanghai

[QUOTE=Lad78; 1411955]Forte hotel is a decent hotel, mainly caters to Japanese / Taiwanese clientele, don't expect much western feeling from the place.

I often stay there and never had a problem bringing a girl back.

The hotel is quite small for your info. Let's say when they opened a few years back it was much better but one cannot complain too much.

As for Saunas, you have at 5 minutes walking distance the former Zhongtian Sauna Club, now it has another name (Xinghe). It's very near the Sheraton Hotel, just around the corner. I always had good service, although it's a rather old Sauna and not so lush compared to Hong Song and the other popular ones. Price is like other Sauna around 880RMB if I'm not wrong.[/QUOTE]Lad! Used to walk by there all the time. Write a report! Always wanted to know the deal

Girl number #80 is the only reason to go to Longhao Spa since the place is a bit shabby.

She (#80) gives some of the best PSE in town. She is not the youngest chick in the nest but her skills are top notch. Great ass and super cute face. Oral skills to curl your toes. I wish she worked at a nicer spa or was available for delivery / take out.

New girl #6 is nice and cute. 20 years old but lacks skill and needs training.

The road in front of the place is currently under heavy construction.

Hey guys!

New member on ISG. Read many pages on shanghai thread. Going to be in Shanghai from coming Monday to Thursday. Going to stay at Holiday Inn downtown.

I need the address of Manhattan, Bodi sauna or anyother sauna you guys can recommend near by that area.

Want to know how far its from Huai Hai road or Downtwon area. If possible need address in Chinese so that I can easily reach there by showing it to the taxi driver.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Fritobugger; 1412224]Girl number #80 is the only reason to go to Longhao Spa since the place is a bit shabby.

She (#80) gives some of the best PSE in town. She is not the youngest chick in the nest but her skills are top notch. Great ass and super cute face. Oral skills to curl your toes. I wish she worked at a nicer spa or was available for delivery / take out.

New girl #6 is nice and cute. 20 years old but lacks skill and needs training.

The road in front of the place is currently under heavy construction.[/QUOTE]Could you please provide more address + service (FS?) details. I did a forum search on Longhua Road and came up blank. Thanks.

I was in Shanghai last week and decided to see what I could find for entertainment. My last trip to Shanghai included a trip to Bodi, but like others, I was disappointed. I usually stay at the Riverview Hotel which used to be a fairly good service location. I had not heard any reviews on the Riverview lately so I decided to check that out.

I went to the sauna and asked about services. They said a massage was 216 RMB. I knew that was too low for what I was looking for so I thanked them and left. One of the guys followed me to the elevator and said that I could get a massage with a hand job in my room for 600 RMB. I laughed at his little joke and left.

My next venture out was to try the Hong Song Sauna that I had heard about here. Now there has been some misinformation here on the forum as to the location of the Hong Song. I had read that you go around behind the Hilton and enter the building back there. That is not the case – I tried. Then I have read that the sauna is on the 4th floor of the Hilton Hotel. That is not true, either.

When you are standing in front of the Hilton Hongqiao Hotel, there are buildings on either side of it that are set out to the street. The Hilton is set back from the street with a wide drive between those two outer buildings. The building you want is to the left of that driveway.

The building is marked: YuanYi Shanghai Hongqiao. It appears that this was formerly the Hilton before it moved into the larger building. Just walk through the front entrance and the elevators are on your right. Go up to the fourth floor and you are in heaven!

A person will greet you and show you the price – to make sure you didn't stumble into the wrong place. Then you are directed down one corridor and another until you end up – at the fishbowl. I was there at 2:00 pm and the fishbowl was full with about 40 girls. Top quality girls, better than I had seen at Bodi.

I picked a nice petite girl (20ish with a beautiful face and typical Chinese figure for a 20 year old) who was called to come out. She took my arm and we walked to the room. Each room has a shower, so she did all the work of undressing us and then showering us. Then on to the action.

The facilities are top-notch and she had been trained to provide top service.

The fee was 980 – expensive, but I felt worth the cost. There was no locker room, no goofy shorts and no guys standing around to dry you off. You just went right to the room with the girl.

The taxi fare from the Bund was 70 RMB, and it is about 15Km. I had looked at getting there by metro, but it is quite a ways and you would really have to know Chinese characters to find your way to the Hilton.

Here is a photo of the front of the building:

[QUOTE=Rohan1; 1412298]Hey guys!

New member on ISG. Read many pages on shanghai thread. Going to be in Shanghai from coming Monday to Thursday. Going to stay at Holiday Inn downtown.

I need the address of Manhattan and some sauna.

Cheers![/QUOTE]From your hotel to Manhattan, it is very near with taxi, but too far away for work. You can just take the adress card from the page and put it to your mobile phone, than easy to show to the taxi driver:

[url]http://www.shanghai-nightlife-guide.com/pickup-bars/manhattan-bar/[/url]

For the Sauna I attached some location cards here, because on our page you need to get member to download them.

If you want to find the sauna most near to your location, you also can check out the sauna map here:

[url]http://www.shanghai-nightlife-guide.com/sauna-clubs/shanghai-sauna-map/[/url]

Enjoy Shanghai

[QUOTE=Changlelu; 1412104]Mightywind,

Many thanks for this excellent and elaborate report! My question refers to the tip in a SPA for the HJ treatment. I have noticed that many girls in central Pudong area ask Y300 for tip (I am of mixed race, but of course considered laowai.) and are difficult to negotiate down. Only two years back I could easily escape with Y200 and even found a great Y100 place (total price for 60 min) which unfortunately does not exist anymore. With so many resident foreigners and 5 star hotels around it is difficult to find a real 'local' place with lower price expectations. My questions are twofold : 1) where to find more 'local' massage places in Pudong, not too far out and 2) when to discuss the tip. I usually (first visit) let the girl start the massage and wait till she bring it up. This of course is a passive method and does not leave much initiative / bargaining power for me. Would you recommend to discuss the tip from the start. When you think about it, I pay Y350 for a 90 min massage to the shop and then Y300 tip. A visit to Sacrosa (70 min FS) is only Y580. Oh, now I think of a third question : I would like to try a four hand massage, should I then double the tip even though the girls are only doing half the work each, I mean I only have one dick.

Thanks, bro[/QUOTE]Yes, agree with you that asking prices have gone up – like other places, the girls have become spoiled in terms of prices. Getting the prices down is more art than science and it depends on each girl. Places around century park, jinqiao, dongfang Road are rife with gougers. The more local places in pudong are definitely out in the sticks more: beicai, zhangjiang, chuansha, north of jinqiao – much less expat traffic.

Most of the girls figure they won't see you again so if you ask them they will 100% high ball you on the tip and hope that anchors the negotiation in their favor. Practically speaking, it's a bit harder to negotiate in a HJ massage place as by the time you are having the conversation with the girl you are probably already showered and on the bed wearing their massage shorts. Harder to 'walk away' in that situation. A strategy for you would be to offer them 200rmb and when they pull their sob story or stink face, just tell them matter of fact that that is what you pay elsewhere and is more than some other places where you are a 'lao ke'. Then say, 'wow I liked you, would have like to be a repeat customer for you, but if you are pulling this, then sorry, can't afford you and don't want to'. Also, each girl always has a monthly quota they have to fulfill, which is why they always try to sell the fckn member card to you – just tell them that if you had liked them you might have considered helping them next time or down the line with the card, but if they expect tips like that, forget it.

You can definitely bargain the quote at the beginning and it's the smart thing to do, however it does break the mood and if the girl is unhappy with the tip that you won't budge on then, you can expect a shitty service. Also, if you try to negotiate in the middle of the massage while she's teasing your willy wonka, you are not going to get very far or again, you'll get a shitty service / attitude (which breaks the mood and pleasant experience of the massage) – if she is unhappy with what she will get at the end. If you tip at the end, and even if the tip is fair, the girl will still try to pull a long face to get more money out of your pocket. It's just the nature of the game – I've come to the conclusion that invariably someone will be somewhat unhappy (when it's a first time in a HJ massage place) with the tip – either the girl, or the guy who gets buyer-regret for over-tipping. If I don't want to get into their pants, I'the rather it be her genuinely unhappy / or acting unhappy to get more. Just to be clear, I already think my tipping is fair and it is definitely more than locals will give.

Personally I try to follow the guideline of 100 rmb for a 60/90 minute session. Or 100 rmb per pop if it's over a 90 minute session. I don't think the girls should ever get over 100rmb per hour, unless they have three arms or a PhD in HJ massages and blew my mind. This is still more than some of the locals who might get away with a 50rmb tip for 60 minutes, but I've heard it's getting harder for them too. A typical session for me would be 200rmb tip for 2 hours and 2 pops. The last time I can remember giving 100rmb for 2 hours was at least over a year and a half ago, so maybe the girls have also brainwashed / trained me over time. I have budged on occasion and given 300 for 2 hours, but it's when I really really like the new girl and plan on repeats to eventually bone her. And I'm pretty jaded when it comes to shanghai working chicks. Honestly. 100rmb per hour is WAY more than fair, just it depends on whether the guy has the stomach to deal with the unhappy girl at the end of the massage once she receives her tip – she can't really complain to the manager or anyone. I've had some girls tell me, some guys even walk out without tipping and there's nothing they can do – it is still illegal activity after all and also the management will not regulate it – but I think most of us are gentlemen to an extent.

If you are going to be a repeat customer then things change in your favor. I have some girls who do BBBJs and some who will do FS for their regular tip, but it has taken some time to develop the relationship and get to that (as most things in China). That's the upside of HJ massages, services and value improves the longer you know a girl. I've even negotiated some girls down (after a couple / few trips) , by telling them that I like them and their service and I would like to see them more often, but the tip is too high and there are other places with better value for me, but I would rather keep going to them. They usually budge as consistent income for them is still valuable.

For two girls, you would unfortunately have to tip them both even though you only have one dick to go around. If you are here longer term, best method is to establish a long-term girl, and then bring it up to her that you would like to have 2 girls and can she bring someone she knows and has worked with before because you want a really really hot experience.

[QUOTE=Rohan1; 1412298]Hey guys!

New member on ISG. Read many pages on shanghai thread. Going to be in Shanghai from coming Monday to Thursday. Going to stay at Holiday Inn downtown.

I need the address of Manhattan, Bodi sauna or anyother sauna you guys can recommend near by that area.

Want to know how far its from Huai Hai road or Downtwon area. If possible need address in Chinese so that I can easily reach there by showing it to the taxi driver.

Cheers![/QUOTE]If you are staying at the Vista Holiday Inn. 700 Changshou Lu, there is a decent sauna on the 4th floor. Quality of the experience depends on the luck of the draw, which girl you get, but there have been some gems there. If you are staying at the one on Heng Feng, I don't think they have an in house sauna and you will have to hit one of the places mentioned often here by taxi.

[QUOTE=SamCan;1412203]Lad! Used to walk by there all the time. Write a report! Always wanted to know the deal[/QUOTE]Well the last time I was in this sauna was some months ago so I don't know today's situation.

But the sauna is in the premises of the former NAKADA / Zhongtian Sauna which was really popular some years back.

Even inside the room you can see the old name everywhere.

The process is the same as all the other wet sauna, you get the room with the wet and dry area,

The deal was 880rmb for 90 minutes.

Line up usually 10-20 girls depending on how busy they are.

Service has usually been decent, as always it depends how you click with the girl.

Manager (if still the same) could speak a bit of english.

It's a handy place if you are in the area, but as I said it's starting to feel the weight of the years and the place doesn't look very luxurious like some more popular places you see recently.

Now the name is Xinghe, xian xia lu I think, very very near Sheraton Hongqiao.

[QUOTE=SamCan;1412203]Lad! Used to walk by there all the time. Write a report! Always wanted to know the deal[/QUOTE]Well the last time I was in this sauna was some months ago so I don't know today's situation.

But the sauna is in the premises of the former NAKADA / Zhongtian Sauna which was really popular some years back.

Even inside the room you can see the old name everywhere.

The process is the same as all the other wet sauna, you get the room with the wet and dry area,

The deal was 880rmb for 90 minutes.

Line up usually 10-20 girls depending on how busy they are.

Service has usually been decent, as always it depends how you click with the girl.

Manager (if still the same) could speak a bit of english.

It's a handy place if you are in the area, but as I said it's starting to feel the weight of the years and the place doesn't look very luxurious like some more popular places you see recently.

Now the name is Xinghe, xian xia lu I think, very very near Sheraton Hongqiao.

Long time I don't post here, and I don't see massage parlor postings as well, so I'd like to report my last few experiences.

I've been going more often to the Changping Lu, Shaanxi Lu (NW side) recently, since the changed their service to include BBBJ for 298. Also SW one did the same, but girls here are definitely better.

I remember someone posted that that former No 8 that one with the perfect tits could be back with number 5, but that's not true. I didn't find her.

My first experience was with #12, perfect service, nice BBBJ and CIM. Nice tits, average looking. Then I had #22, bit (maybe more than a bit) overweight, but she had the biggest tits ever. Service was ok, but she gave an excuse for not doing BBBJ, so I let her do a tit Wank which wasn't at all bad idea here. The 3rd girl also tried not to do the BJ, then I understood how it works, they are getting lazy so you have to ask. This one did a wonderful job with the massage and just so so BJ, but I forgot her number. Best one was No 2, nice body, best BBBJ, she just doesn't allow fingering her, licking her tits and CIM. I will do her again next time.

I also tried a Minhang place on Caobao Lu someone posted long time ago, the girl was the hottest, just perfect body and face, but it's way to far from me. Anyone got news on that?

Guys any updates on MPs?

Mgp

[QUOTE=Changlelu;1412310]Could you please provide more address + service (FS?) details. I did a forum search on Longhua Road and came up blank. Thanks.[/QUOTE]It's Longhua Spa on DuJuan Road. Normal service, a bit shabby but otherwise ok.

Send me a PM. We have tried some if the same providers.

BJ.

I also tried a Minhang place on Caobao Lu someone posted long time ago, the girl was the hottest, just perfect body and face, but it's way to far from me. Anyone got news on that?

Guys any updates on MPs?

Mgp[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MightyWind2; 1412556]Yes, agree with you that asking prices have gone up – like other places, the girls have become spoiled in terms of prices. Getting the prices down is more art than science and it depends on each girl. Places around century park, jinqiao, dongfang Road are rife with gougers. The more local places in pudong are definitely out in the sticks more: beicai, zhangjiang, chuansha, north of jinqiao – much less expat traffic.

Most of the girls figure they won't see you again so if you ask them they will 100% high ball you on the tip and hope that anchors the negotiation in their favor. Practically speaking, it's a bit harder to negotiate in a HJ massage place as by the time you are having the conversation with the girl you are probably already showered and on the bed wearing their massage shorts. Harder to 'walk away' in that situation. A strategy for you would be to offer them 200rmb and when they pull their sob story or stink face, just tell them matter of fact that that is what you pay elsewhere and is more than some other places where you are a 'lao ke'. Then say, 'wow I liked you, would have like to be a repeat customer for you, but if you are pulling this, then sorry, can't afford you and don't want to'. Also, each girl always has a monthly quota they have to fulfill, which is why they always try to sell the fckn member card to you – just tell them that if you had liked them you might have considered helping them next time or down the line with the card, but if they expect tips like that, forget it.

You can definitely bargain the quote at the beginning and it's the smart thing to do, however it does break the mood and if the girl is unhappy with the tip that you won't budge on then, you can expect a shitty service. Also, if you try to negotiate in the middle of the massage while she's teasing your willy wonka, you are not going to get very far or again, you'll get a shitty service / attitude (which breaks the mood and pleasant experience of the massage) – if she is unhappy with what she will get at the end. If you tip at the end, and even if the tip is fair, the girl will still try to pull a long face to get more money out of your pocket. It's just the nature of the game – I've come to the conclusion that invariably someone will be somewhat unhappy (when it's a first time in a HJ massage place) with the tip – either the girl, or the guy who gets buyer-regret for over-tipping. If I don't want to get into their pants, I'the rather it be her genuinely unhappy / or acting unhappy to get more. Just to be clear, I already think my tipping is fair and it is definitely more than locals will give.

Personally I try to follow the guideline of 100 rmb for a 60/90 minute session. Or 100 rmb per pop if it's over a 90 minute session. I don't think the girls should ever get over 100rmb per hour, unless they have three arms or a PhD in HJ massages and blew my mind. This is still more than some of the locals who might get away with a 50rmb tip for 60 minutes, but I've heard it's getting harder for them too. A typical session for me would be 200rmb tip for 2 hours and 2 pops. The last time I can remember giving 100rmb for 2 hours was at least over a year and a half ago, so maybe the girls have also brainwashed / trained me over time. I have budged on occasion and given 300 for 2 hours, but it's when I really really like the new girl and plan on repeats to eventually bone her. And I'm pretty jaded when it comes to shanghai working chicks. Honestly. 100rmb per hour is WAY more than fair, just it depends on whether the guy has the stomach to deal with the unhappy girl at the end of the massage once she receives her tip – she can't really complain to the manager or anyone. I've had some girls tell me, some guys even walk out without tipping and there's nothing they can do – it is still illegal activity after all and also the management will not regulate it – but I think most of us are gentlemen to an extent.

If you are going to be a repeat customer then things change in your favor. I have some girls who do BBBJs and some who will do FS for their regular tip, but it has taken some time to develop the relationship and get to that (as most things in China). That's the upside of HJ massages, services and value improves the longer you know a girl. I've even negotiated some girls down (after a couple / few trips) , by telling them that I like them and their service and I would like to see them more often, but the tip is too high and there are other places with better value for me, but I would rather keep going to them. They usually budge as consistent income for them is still valuable.

For two girls, you would unfortunately have to tip them both even though you only have one dick to go around. If you are here longer term, best method is to establish a long-term girl, and then bring it up to her that you would like to have 2 girls and can she bring someone she knows and has worked with before because you want a really really hot experience.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this detailed info. Learned a lot : locals pay much less tip (Y50) like in a BBS and two pops are possible. Overall I think I have been too easy / quick to pay such high tips and guess some other members here as well. So note to self : next time be a better negotiator and avoid being a soft target (pun intended). Thanks, bro.

[QUOTE=Lad78; 1412695]Well the last time I was in this sauna was some months ago so I don't know today's situation.

But the sauna is in the premises of the former NAKADA / Zhongtian Sauna which was really popular some years back.

Even inside the room you can see the old name everywhere.

The process is the same as all the other wet sauna, you get the room with the wet and dry area,

The deal was 880rmb for 90 minutes.

Line up usually 10-20 girls depending on how busy they are.

Service has usually been decent, as always it depends how you click with the girl.

Manager (if still the same) could speak a bit of english.

It's a handy place if you are in the area, but as I said it's starting to feel the weight of the years and the place doesn't look very luxurious like some more popular places you see recently.

Now the name is Xinghe, xian xia lu I think, very very near Sheraton Hongqiao.[/QUOTE]Hi bro:

Thanks for sharing the report, Xinghe sauna address:No. 86 Xianxia Road.