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McAdonis. I am sure you are correct in general. My experience has taught me to be more positive since refusal by girls to go to room with me has been followed by friendship and no further financial transactions, so, in these two cases at least, the girl was genuine.
Other ISG members have occasionally told me also of girls spending time for free even though the girls We're finishing work for ever.
So for once I live up to my tag Optimist :)
[QUOTE=MrHo;1938899]That was my problem that I posted few months ago, then I met cialis and I began testing it with 5 MG, I can confirm that this thing really worked on me, not just for keeping it strong, but with libido also and somehow when I am on cialis 5 MG, I sleep better, I am in better mood, it took away my neck tension and shoulder tension.
I do not take 5 MG daily, but almost twice per week depending on when I fuck the beautiful Eurasian I am fucking now here, it really works and also works for 2 to 3 days with only 5 MG.[/QUOTE]In my role as Mr Ho fact checker.
(1) There is no medical basis for thinking Cialis improves libido, although improvement in erection quality may have a psychological benefit.
(2) 5 MG doses are for daily use.
(3) dosage for 2-3 day use is typically 10 MG.
You milage may vary, as Mr Ho's seems to.
Bitumen, response to your question to me under Oase.
When a favorite of mine says she has done sharp practice to a customer my reaction is not at all smug that she doesn't cheat me. Normally I see it as an an indication that she trusts me a little (unless she is boasting) and also a licence to talk to her about charging policy, and it leads on to discussions of honesty, characters of customers, what is an honest job and so on.
Rarely is the sharp practice because the girl is judging the customer. It is more a reflection of attitudes to money and power, and of course, opportunity
I always say it is wrong to overcharge, for both moral and utilitarian reasons. But I never condemn her, after all, I have made some bad decisions in my life, and I can empathise with such a girl, coming from a very difficult background.
My recent discussion on this with a girl was because I bluntly accused her of timing 55 minutes with me as an hour. The following day, after worrying that I was not going back to see her (I arrived at the club much much later than my normal) she opened up about the whole subject, and was very concerned to make sure I saw her as honest, which oddly, included her telling me about which customers she was a bit sharp with. After that she not only went over time a little in the room but spent increased amount of time chatting on the couch. She got her utilitarian reward for her generosity as I did more sessions with her, up to four hours of sessions one day
Win win situation. Keeping quiet would have been lose lose
Optimist: I had a somewhat simillair talk with one girl recently as well. Her honesty was what won me over too. Alot of girls (and guys) has this idea that when they do something bad or wrong, or even lie once, they can get out of it by telling another lie, or by being even more dishonest. Being honest can be very difficult, and especially for young adults at around 20-25 as some of these girls are. Most people can sense dishonesty and lies, and that ruins not just their income, but more importantly in the long run, it ruins their integrity. And integrity is something alot of people have trouble holding on to. Not just in this line of work, but all over life. In all situations. Integrity is a far more valuable commodity than short term profits.
Some older, more pro girls differ from the non pro girls by showing much more integrity. That is what makes them pro and not amateurish...
I already wrote below that my original comment was meant to be generic and nothing to do with AZn or Badin, as I know nothing about them and making comments about someone's personal affairs is insulting and not something I want to do.
That said, I stand by what I said. I think there could always be exceptions as I put a caveat. But on the whole, the likelihood of getting free ones is very small in my view. Free means free, no strings attached. As you say, if it was as a reward card for massive bucks spent previously or in anticipation of massive bucks coming up, it is no longer a free one.
But even putting that aside, I see most girls being very short term oriented in these things. I don't see them taking a long term view like a credit card company, not many of them anyway. Most want to be paid here and now. That's based on my observations, but I am sure my experiences hardly cover the entire gamut. Can they take a different, very long term view with a potential sugar daddy? Who knows. I was not in that situation, I can't say yes or no, at least not first hand info.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;1939591]Zero money? Depends how you look at it. We are not privy to how financially invested Badin and Azn are with their respective WGs. If one of them has already dropped large sums of money, I do not consider that "zero money". In fact, I should hope that he gets some "free" time. Airlines and credit cards offer loyalty rewards to retain their customers. Why not WG's? Following that logic, if one charges $20 K on a credit card and gets a round-trip ticket to Europe worth $1 K, did that ticket really cost "zero money"? Not from my perspective..[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Optimist;1939658]Bitumen, response to your question to me under Oase.
Win win situation. Keeping quiet would have been lose lose[/QUOTE]Good reply. Thank you for taking the time to say this.
You are right. One must say something since to say nothing is to lose.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;1939591] Following that logic, if one charges $20 K on a credit card and gets a round-trip ticket to Europe worth $1 K, did that ticket really cost "zero money"? [/QUOTE]In my case, I turned down the free round trip and in return they canceled my credit card. LOL.
Yea I agree with what you're saying, but I do think there is some emotional investment from the girls as well. In terms of money spent, there are plenty of girls that I've spent more money on that has never even offered a free half hour.
There is some initial investments to get things going, but I don't think there is a magic number of money required to get some free action.
I was testing Cialis 5 MG for past few weeks. I do not take them daily, but I take them two times or three times per week depending on how many times I fuck this Eurasian girl I was fucking here for past few weeks (I got refused today from agency as I was fucking her without condoms every time and I think she figured it is not good idea, so I am banned from booking her LOL, it happens it is bareback consequences that I face often LOL).
However, the reason I post this hear is that, I got strange affects after taking Cialis. OK first and foremost, my dick is always up and I wake up with boner in middle of night and in morning for next 2 or 3 days taking cialis 5 MG.
Also, after taking cialis 5 MG, I sleep better beside boner in morning / middle of night, my neck / shoulder tension is gone, I go to toilet so often after drinking water, it enhance my mood greatly, I feel comfortably hot in my all over body muscles and my brain is so clear.
I mean does anyone has similar positive effect like this after taking 5 MG cialis?
Side effect I noticed is that when I first took it for very first time, I had little mild headaches, but it went away after I took my second or third 5 MG cialis, I guess my body quickly got used to it.
What a miracle medicine cialis is, and for spot use on weekly basis, it is proven to be great on me, though I won't be needing it for while as I got banned from this Eurasian girl I am fucking bareback here LOL.
[QUOTE=Optimist;1939658]My recent discussion on this with a girl was because I bluntly accused her of timing 55 minutes with me as an hour. The following day, after worrying that I was not going back to see her (I arrived at the club much much later than my normal) she opened up about the whole subject, and was very concerned to make sure I saw her as honest, which oddly, included her telling me about which customers she was a bit sharp with. After that she not only went over time a little in the room but spent increased amount of time chatting on the couch. She got her utilitarian reward for her generosity as I did more sessions with her, up to four hours of sessions one day
Win win situation. Keeping quiet would have been lose lose[/QUOTE]I mean 55 min and 60 min is same thing for me, even 50 min is OK as long as session is good.
However, I always thought all FKK should have clock in the room or at least kitchen timer, so time is accurate.
I always do doggy during session and I wonder how long I have left to cum or when to cum and most of times I got no idea LOL.
So to maximize time use in room, clock in room is great.
[QUOTE=Optimist;1939658]
My recent discussion on this with a girl was because I bluntly accused her of timing 55 minutes with me as an hour. [/QUOTE]Really? Starting a discussion about 55 instead of 60 min? Did she tell you the hour is over or did she just start to leave? Did you tell her there's 5 min left and she said no? I don't really care if I stay 55,60 or 65 minutes.
Charging 150€ for 65 min, that's a different story.
HB.
[QUOTE=HessenBub;1939874]Really? Starting a discussion about 55 instead of 60 min? Did she tell you the hour is over or did she just start to leave? Did you tell her there's 5 min left and she said no? I don't really care if I stay 55,60 or 65 minutes.
HB.[/QUOTE] Maybe it was nearer 50 than 55, (not sure as I was using body clock timing, which I later verified using the club clock).
I didn't say I started a discussion. All I did was clearly tell her that her timekeeping was not correct and conveyed in body language my disappointment. My post didn't say I then started a discussion, just that it led to a discussion.In fact she started the discussion the next day and the outcome was very positive for her and for me. Like most things, it depends how it's done, and if it's with a good intention. If she had been a girl I didn't respect or trust I wouldn't have raised it.
As I say win:win. An optimist looks to turn every situation into win:win for both parties.
You have your way, I have mine. Sometimes I raise timing sometimes not:I don't operate according to predetermined rules but respond to the human dynamics in each situation
As you say charging 150 for 65 minutes is a different story. That would have been a very different scenario.
Pistons. Agreed.
Hey everyone,
I initially posted this under FKK Mainhattan, but then discovered this beautiful forum, which seems to be mote appropriate.
So here is my post:
I was hanging out with a girl for quite some time, without the intend of sessioning with her (I prefer to not reveal her name). Anyhow, not knowing who to go to the room with, I asked whether she'd like to go. Hesitant at first (for some reason) she accepted the offer.
Once we arrive in the room, she told me the following "when you offered me to go with you, at first I was going to say no, because I feel shy in front of you and am scared to fall in love with you".
Now, I'm not new to this world, so of course I called bullshit on that statement.
The following couple of months we've had good to okay sessions, until my visit last week, where we had no session, again due to that reason. She said "I really like you and I don't want to session with you to make matters worse". So after like 2 hours of flirting with her nothing happened.
I mean, I understand that I'm usually the youngest one in the club, but really? I guess my question would be: how is she trying to screw me over? Because logically speaking, if I would fall for that "love" trap, this would mean that I would always session with her, right? But apparently this is not the case.
P.S. She has a boyfriend here in Germany.
RabbitFarm.
[QUOTE=Optimist;1939938]conveyed in body language my disappointment.[/QUOTE]Reenactment of events.
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I was hanging out with a girl for quite some time, without the intend of sessioning with her (I prefer to not reveal her name). Anyhow, not knowing who to go to the room with, I asked whether she'd like to go. Hesitant at first (for some reason) she accepted the offer.
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[/QUOTE]You were right to be skeptical. And there's always the chance she's working a "long con" and the dance isn't over yet, but rather this is still the run-up to a big payday (she hopes).
But working girls do, very occasionally, fall for johns. I know because it's happened with me. I've been seeing a stateside sex worker for about 2 years now. She's a sort of infrequent girlfriend. Things flipped the second time I saw her. She said forget about paying, I just want to keep seeing you. And she kept shaking her head and saying, more to herself than me, "this never happens. This *never* happens. . ".
But happen it did and it continues.