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[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2917667]The ugly cousin works at the laundry because no one is going to pay to bang her.[/QUOTE]It seems you have not been in mongering long. I know ugly chicks in various countries that have been at the job in excess of 20 years. Wonder how they could be at it day in and day out if nobody is paying to bang them. And maybe you have not seen half the pictures posted on this forum.
[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2917667]...but money is the prime reason people do jobs. ... But I would say that "being too lazy to get a real job" is very far down the list and that's my main point.[/QUOTE]I am wondering what do you call this?
[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2917112]but Columbia is not that place. It's why so many mongers in the west complain about the prices of women here because those women [b]have minimum wage options and are doing sex work to avoid that[/b][/QUOTE]A girl told me she did not have money because her period and could not work. I told her that I would take her to eat, and, gave her money for free (no sex or anything) if she came to me by Metro and I would pick her up at Metro station. She came by taxi when she did not have money. Her mother gave her the taxi money. I have reported this and similar behavior here. I gave he money anyway. Then she turned around to ask others for money. That taught me a lesson. Well, the lesson is to make the girl work to get the money so she won't turn around to repeat the same behavior on other men.
The girls who I have asked will generally tell me they don't work because the pay is little.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2917632] For that amount of money, some can get 2 to stay all night with little restriction, and maybe not worse-looking girls too.[/QUOTE]I would love to know how to get this type of deal (600 K, 2 girls, all night). When I can't speak more than 10 words of Spanish, Gringo and want Loutron-quality girls.
Also, it's worth mentioning I have had good luck with lacelestine. Co. It takes some time to build the rap with the agency, but after a few takeouts, you get a VIP service. They were able to find English-speaking college girls 300 K and up.
[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2917615]Yes, I have noticed most of the Americans in El Pobado wear short pants. I have told many of the NYC gentlemen to get rid of their gold chains and flashy jewelry and hide their cell phone or they will be snatched by some Colombian thief on a motorcycle or by one with a knife. Colombians all wear long pants as a sign of respect and few can afford flashy watches and gold chains. And please leave your "boom boxes" at home. I have seen many playing "ghetto" music loudly from their boom boxes while walking on Avenida 43 in El Poblado. It disturbs me and I am sure it disturbs the Colombians more.[/QUOTE]It's sad but true. They come in with their flashy jewelry phones and being flashy to get attention not understanding every single Colombian and Venezuelan thugs know they're not armed. So with that mystery gone they're just walking targets and when they do get robbed they can't do nothing cause the cops they call are secretly laughing about it. But every once in a while they'll bust someone just to make it look good. But from what I hear many cops are in on the take.
[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2917573]Wasn't a "plan" to avoid the tourism police or whatever. But it worked out that way. I land in BOG, then fly with GF to Medellin. Do tours together. We are registered at nice Airbnb in Laurelles / also Dann Carlton. Except for my phone pics. (I need to hide those from her anyway). LOL what could go wrong? She's 23 - I look 50 ish.. in my mind, I'm 29. LOL I will get wheelchair thru customs. I doubt they will check anything. I will say she is my nurse. Maybe hide the handcuffs etc. Fuk Tijuana I will report. In July.[/QUOTE]Good luck Don! FWIW, I think Cartagena is too much of a tourist spot to turn people away like Medellin seems to be getting ready to do. Looking back on things, I did have one agent in Bogota get a little nosy. He was not like the agent in Medellin that looked at first like she wanted to inject me with poison but he was questioning me pretty intensely. I should point out that 90+% of the time I go through customs with ease.
And people better start rejecting the Medellin moron culture and start looking at the sugar model. You know how to do it. You try to score with the best women, get to know them, help them out, meet their friends and family and if you ever have an issue, they are on your side. After saying he just wants sex with the women and only values what is between the legs of women, one of these Medellin morons PMed me and told me he had a GF.
It is funny how all the Medellin morons tried to claim they had GFs after I did. Of course, this moron is fucking hookers on the side like the rest of them. Why do they need to lie? It is like they try to impress each other with who can lie the best.
When I was seeing other people, I would tell the women I was seeing others. Only when I committed to not seeing other women would I use the term GF. I do not get why these morons lie so much when it is so easy to see through their bullshit.
I have to wonder if part of the reason for the crackdown is this crazy Medellin moron mindset.
[QUOTE=Hobo3;2917317]First time in Medellin in a year and everything has changed. The immigration officer asked to check my phone and thank goodness I had just gotten a new phone the day before and had nothing on it.[/QUOTE]What was the reason for searching your phone? Did they search everyone else phone in immigration line? Or was just you? I was just there in Medellin few weeks ago and never encountered this scenario before. I dress down whenever I visit Medellin and strictly no jewelry, watch, or anything shiny. I bet they only do this when there's not many people in immigration so your arrival time does play a role for this activity.
Colombians absolutely wear shorts around the barrios, on weekends, and in and on the way to or from the gym. Tourists wear shorts all the time, anytime, anywhere. Here is the difference. Colombians rarely if ever wear shorts in the following places / situations but tourists do: at night, when the weather is cold and / or rainy, in high end restaurants, in office buildings and banks, in discos and nightclubs.
[QUOTE=JimmyStreets;2917653]Nah. Walk around the malls you'll see plenty of Colombians wearing shorts. Why wear pants and long sleeve shirts when its 80 degrees outside? Its silly. Anyways be yourself. Your a gringo whether you wear pants or shorts.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2917681]It seems you have not been in mongering long. I know ugly chicks in various countries that have been at the job in excess of 20 years. Wonder how they could be at it day in and day out if nobody is paying to bang them. And maybe you have not seen half the pictures posted on this forum.[/QUOTE]Look, I also enjoy being obtuse from time to time to troll, but it's not useful here. We are clearly talking about broader trends, not your anecdotes and over-exaggerated literal reading. The point is that women who do this business are prized for their looks in some way, shape, or form. Those who can tip the scale on making that look "worth" the money you spend get more customers. Those who have less to offer on that front, charge less (hence why you often see uglier women charge less). It makes it more difficult for those people to earn a living so it's less worth the hassle. I'm not saying only 9's and 10's become working girls, simply that it explains why a less attractive girl will be less likely to consider the business. It's the same reason a guy without a GED is less likely to apply for a manager position compared to an MBA grad. I didn't expect to have to explain the basics of economics, but here we are.
If anything, your point only reinforces mine. In poor areas, it is more likely to see girls of all types get into the business because there is a strong economic incentive.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2917683]I am wondering what do you call this?
The girls who I have asked will generally tell me they don't work because the pay is little.[/QUOTE]I'll go slow.
Scenario A: Girl gets paid $10 a day for 8 hours of work at a restaurant. She lives in abject poverty, scraping to make ends meet for herself (and her kid, potentially), and is constantly tired and stressed due to working all of the time.
Scenario be: Girl gets paid $100 dollars a day to spend those hours being available to turn tricks. She lives better, maybe enough to buy stuff for herself (and her kid, potentially), and has less stress than before.
Is she being lazy to not want to do Scenario A or making a "somewhat" rationale choice to do be?
In developing countries, you see more women from better backgrounds get into the business to just make side money (e. G. Sugaring) and they charge more because of that. It's why we often complain about prices in our home countries being jacked up. One can argue that the women are being "lazy" because there are more ways to earn a decent living that aren't super strenuous. But in poorer countries, those opportunities are not as available, so you often see girls choosing to get into the business.
[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2917751]......In developing countries, you see more women from better backgrounds get into the business to just make side money (e. G. Sugaring) and they charge more because of that......[/QUOTE]My concern about sugaring viz. Seeking is that the girls there may just be prostitutes seeking higher pay.
[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2917751]I'll go slow.
Scenario A: Girl gets paid $10 a day for 8 hours of work at a restaurant. She lives in abject poverty, scraping to make ends meet for herself (and her kid, potentially), and is constantly tired and stressed due to working all of the time.
Scenario be: Girl gets paid $100 dollars a day to spend those hours being available to turn tricks. She lives better, maybe enough to buy stuff for herself (and her kid, potentially), and has less stress than before.
Is she being lazy to not want to do Scenario A or making a "somewhat" rationale choice to do be?
In developing countries, you see more women from better backgrounds get into the business to just make side money (e. G. Sugaring) and they charge more because of that. It's why we often complain about prices in our home countries being jacked up. One can argue that the women are being "lazy" because there are more ways to earn a decent living that aren't super strenuous. But in poorer countries, those opportunities are not as available, so you often see girls choosing to get into the business.[/QUOTE]Scenario 3. A girl who works full time like Scenario A, and also has a job like B does.
Scenario 4. A girl who goes to Centrol to work everyday from 10 AM to 7 PM. It can be any jobs.
Scenario 5. A girl who goes to New Life to work everyday.
Scenario 6. A girl who sits at home doing nothing meaningful except when she got no more than 1 date / per day.
In my opinion, A 3 4 5 are "not lazy". Would you say B and 6 are "not lazy".
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2917681]It seems you have not been in mongering long. I know ugly chicks in various countries that have been at the job in excess of 20 years. Wonder how they could be at it day in and day out if nobody is paying to bang them. And maybe you have not seen half the pictures posted on this forum.[/QUOTE]And you can see them in Park LLeras, and getting attention too.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2917877]In my opinion, A 3 4 5 are "not lazy". Would you say B and 6 are "not lazy".[/QUOTE]Depends, but yes, some can probably be considered lazy. On the other hand, this job is often about being ready for random calls. A full time job interferes with that. If you have to be out late a night every all of the time, you'll be tired the next morning. If you have to waste hours everyday texting punters who string you along and bail or waste your time texting them to get a date, those are hours you lose.
This same argument applies to all of us where we could all work three jobs and 100 hours a week to get it rich, but no one would consider you lazy for just doing one 40 hours a week job. As a person who has dabbled in normie content creation, I know this well. Your "work" isn't just the time you record; it's the time you research topics, edit videos, respond to comments. It's the strain of doing that day in and day out, and eventually, how a real job will interfere with it. You will find that most content creators eventually quit because it is very difficult to balance both.
Just to note, my argument isn't that there are no lazy women, rather that the act of doing sex work as a main profession is not lazy and too often, we see punters complain about lazy women who are generally grinding every night for customers.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2917182]I think the biggest driver is personality. Some guys don't have the personality to try to bargain for a lower price. Some guys act like the girl is doing them a favor, so they are quite alright with and as we see many times even volunteer to pay extra. My personality is that I do not see it as something I need to pay a lot for. My attitude is that I am not about to pay all that money just for some pussy. Others' attitude is oh boy this is my lucky day to be getting some pussy from a fairly attractive chick and all it will cost me is money.[/QUOTE]Some have said that the girls know their worth. This one will be at the top at La Isla, Gusto or anywhere she goes, if one likes slender, model type figure and pretty face, she will be at the top with little competition. She does not know her worth or she has not met the men who know her worth. I treat and pay her just like a 6, 7. They are all the same rate. LOL. She is eager to get my business. She wanted to see me but I didn't have time and not that eager to see her so she kept nagging me. haha. I do not want to post our other conversations because I don't want someone to rat me out. But she is just like all others. A longtime friend in high places introduced her to me because I am too infatuated with another paisa so he tried to save me. I follow the same deal, so I don't spoil this girl. I could not let her leave early because that would break the deal. So, I traded for 1 minute of DFK for each 10 minutes she has to stay. That got me hard very quick. LOL.
In reality, hot girls don't provide better sex. 10 in appearance and 10 in bed is a rare combination.
[QUOTE=CasaNoVa;2916928]I see a lot of people saying what prices are too High to be quoted in lleras.
But not a lot of info on what amount newbies should be countering with or what price point to stick to depending on diferent venues.
Seems like one poster was speaking about club prices. Are those not usually set by the establishment. Or just the exit fee.
What are seasoned mongers paying in lleras short time compared to TLN. Also adicionales always plays a factor.
Seen mostly the prices that should be expected and quoted in Centro but not much on Lleras in todays market or clubs where girls set their own prices[/QUOTE]Just a general observation and you can find the similar pricing information on ISG. You need to have basic discipline to not overpay. You can get decent looking girls for no more than 250. 200 is common, 150 is also doable. These prices do not include Uber. I guess very few people will start their offer at 150 and probably not many girls will accept 150 so we don't hear about 150 as much. I put these numbers out, but it does not necessary mean you will get it because YMMV and you are starting from fresh. These girls will be discovered too so their price may not stay the same, and you just move on to get new ones
Unless you can't find the girl elsewhere and you must have her, then you pay what you want to get it. The same rule applies if you can't find a suitable girl for 250, then you pay more until you find one that costs less, then you can drop one expensive one. It's simple logic. I went thru the process that I thought I had to pay more but I have been here a long time and know some generous friends that share their knowledge so now I know I don't need to.
You will be quoted tourist price if you go to the places that target tourists. You are just paying more to the the girl with the same background from cheaper places. The girls at Lleras are not hotter so why do they cost more?
[QUOTE=ObjJay;2917693]I would love to know how to get this type of deal (600 K, 2 girls, all night).[/QUOTE]It's not automatic. If you have regular, then you can start from there. It's well documented on ISG that the girls will stay longer for free if they like you. In the case I am talking about is that you pay a little extra to have regular to stay longer, or overnight.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2918130]Some have said that the girls know their worth. This one will be at the top at La Isla, Gusto or anywhere she goes, if one likes slender, model type figure and pretty face, she will be at the top with little competition. She does not know her worth or she has not met the men who know her worth. I treat and pay her just like a 6, 7. They are all the same rate. LOL. She is eager to get my business. She wanted to see me but I didn't have time and not that eager to see her so she kept nagging me. haha.[/QUOTE]It is unfortunate that most guys fall for the women speak. They say a bunch of shit to make it sound like they are saying something meaningful, but when the rubber meets the road it actually does not mean shit. It is just some affirmation bullshit. But guys go on to defend the women by parrotting the same bullshit affirmations on their behalf.
Just recently broke up with my girlfriend in Brazil because she tried to pull that bullshit on me. She is going to tell me she knows her worth. Well I guess she has never met a mf like me who will actually ask what her worth is. So when I asked she tried to deflect and say I should be asking what my own worth is. I said hey I did not say anything about worth. It came out of your mouth so you need to clarify what your worth is so we can be on the same page. Then she wanted to pull the I don't have to tell you. I am just not used to having weak men by my side. I said okay. So in other words you don't know. She then says we will see. I said we don't have to see shit. If you said it then you can tell me now.
Then a few days later she comes crawling back talking about don't be upset with her and that she misses me. Shit that ship has already sailed. The same way I found her is the same way I was already looking for another one. If a chick tells me something then that opens it up for me to ask questions (to which they never have answers to). I am not going to go along to get along just thankful that I am getting some pussy. She is going to get tried by fire over here.