Angeles City

[quote=betong]i don't think the sky is falling quite yet. you notice that this is happening at the lowest of low season. give it a month or two . . . .[/quote]

i've always been very pro angeles, even when changes and negative comments have been made by others. but what is happening now, is economically devastating to the bars in their ability to continue operations.

the tourist season last year was the worst in recent memory, 27 year veterans say the low season was the worst they've seen. the bars are not economically healthy. some like lewis grand who have attracted fresh investor money from off-shore make a big splash in their early days, but now with two bars closed, a third under threat with reduced customers, the realities of making a profit and paying the extortion money will sink into investors before they make continued contributions to maintain a loss making operation. for bars with continuing operations, without fresh seed money from offshore, the situation is equally bad.

most bars go to lengths to ensure their girls are 18 years or older, but it is very difficult to ensure girls with fake identification don't end up working. in most cases, the city ends up licensing these girls, so if a filipino government organization can't tell the girl is ****, how can the foreign bar owner. and generally these **** girls are 17, its not like there are a bunch of 12 year olds dancing on the stages. the 16 year olds are dancing nude on the stages of the filipino owned bars, owned by government officials. but those are not being raided.

tuesday of last week was the deadline for all the bars on fields and perimeter to begin making monthly payments to a lawyer (a shell conduit to the mayors office) based on the number of girls they had working. it was clearly stated if the bars wanted peace and freedom to operate they must make these payments. peace was defined as an end to armed raids and terrorizing the bar district. on wednesday, the day following the deadline, the raids occurred. lewis grand's group insists they made the payments, but were raided anyway. its not a coincidence the mayor is out of town, and his office's press release is in support of the raids. as part of this payment process, each bar was required to sign a code of conduct, which was approved by the mayor also. the raids at these bars began with police assets (foreigners) going in and taking a barfine. then **** girls were discovered. the mayor's letter to the bars on their closure sites the barfines as one of the reasons.

most of the girls have been released, some are still being held. those **** were transported to manila, reportedly with at least one mamasan. confirmation of what raided bars are being required to pay is not certain, but numbers in the millions of peso are being rumoured. the raids have two purposes, equally important, press for the american financial aid and extortion money from the bars.

raids have always been a part of the angeles scene, but the methods being used, the national press being given (describing the angeles strip as a central point of human trafficing), and most important the devastating impact on customer traffic, could very well kill the district.

suggest one will see the following in coming months: price increases at the bars to cover the additional costs of operation. continued raids, with high exposure, tv coverage and large numbers of people being detained. larger numbers of girls refusing to work in the bars, for a short time free lancing, eventually returning back to their provinces. bars closing in mass for periods of time, some going out of business. very difficult for customers to wade through the methods or rules imposed by the bars to protect themselves.

if one is on vacation, why put up with it. go to thailand.

[QUOTE=Matius]I've always been very pro Angeles, even when changes and negative comments have been made by others. But what is happening now, is economically devastating to the bars in their ability to continue operations.
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If one is on vacation, why put up with it. Go to Thailand.[/QUOTE]

Hi, Matius:

First of all I want to thank you for your insights. You appear to have thought things through and you have also spent more time in AC than have I. Your views may well have some traction.

I would like to ask your opinion, if I may. I realize that the answer will require some speculation, but that is ok. I will be coming to the Phils on Oct 1 to conduct some other business in Manila. I was then planning on spending a 5-day vacation in Angeles during the first and second week of October. After seeing the news of the raids I have already booked a hotel in Pattaya as a backup, and it did not require deposit. A backup flight to BKK has not yet been booked as that requires money down, so I want to make a wise choice. I would prefer to spend 5 days in Angeles instead if it were worth the while, but it appears that it may not be.

So given the fact that I will be in Manila anyway, would you suggest that I take the risk and come to Angeles for that holiday, or just go straight from my meetings to the Manila airport and fly to Bangkok?

I am interested in what you will have to say, given the circumstances.

Cheers;
Raz

Sigh...

All these reports about raids, crackdowns and girls being out of the bars. Makes me wanna stay home. However, I bought my tickets a few weeks ago, going to be there from Sept 29 till Oct 6.

The ironic thing is, I don't really need to go to AC. I am based in southern China, one hour's drive away from the infamous ChangPing, and other nearby places where the girls have better attitudes.

As I get enough action here in China, my reasons for going to AC are:
- the shows. Half-naked girls dancing on stage. In China, everything is behind closed doors. But it looks like the shows/dancing in AC may feature girls in their streetclothes now...aaaaaarrrrrrggghhh!!!
- change of pace from the usual Chinese girls
- drinking. You can drink in a KTV, or in one of those open air BBQ places in China. But it's just not the same as drinking in a bar.
- to be out of China during the national holiday here

I am meeting up with a couple of AC vetarans who have assured me that pussy can still be had in AC.

So, things will magically get better in a week's time, right?

[QUOTE=RasSpewtin]Hi, Matius:



So given the fact that I will be in Manila anyway, would you suggest that I take the risk and come to Angeles for that holiday, or just go straight from my meetings to the Manila airport and fly to Bangkok?

I am interested in what you will have to say, given the circumstances.

Cheers;
Raz[/QUOTE]

I thought your question was a bit redundant Raz, given what he has said in his post?????
Burgos in Manila is still going well. Rogues is still jumping. Havana still has the regulars. EDSA has more girls than punters. Do your business in Manila for a few days, have fun and then go to Bkk

BF, I tried to send you a PM, but it appears that you are not paid member.

I have a solution to your problem, and if you can PM me, I will tell you how to solve it..

Gangles

[QUOTE=Titmouse]Damn! I'm booked for AC in early October. Any advice on whether I should try to bail out. DAMN. Just paid the hotel reservation. Damn.

'Mouse[/QUOTE]
There is no need to panic at this time. The bars will be open for business for some time. But if the raids is a common occurance I am sure many will close up shop and move. The bars make most of the money from drinks and barfine. Bars have very high upkeep charges. I cannot imagine the electricity bill with all the lights and air con.
They have to pay money per day to individual workers. If because of all the publicity the punters stay away half the bars will close down. Half the girls will go somewhere or back to their provinces. The bars in manila are filled capacity anyway and I do not think they can get jobs there. Besides Manila is expensive to live. In AC many stay in the dorm style house provided by the bars and it is cheap.
Expensive hotels like ABC will close down also if the tourist mongers are not there. It will have a big impact on many businesses along fields.
I am sure the mayor does not want anything happen to AC. Without a cash cow what good is it for him? I think there are higher authorities than him calling the shots. They want a piece of the pie.
The attraction of AC is simple. The whole balibago area is like a brothel with fixed prices. There is no need for awkward negotiations like Pattaya. One barfine includes all. I have barfined literally more than hundred girls and was given sex 100% of the time. Some good, some going through the motion, some runners, some asking for a big tip, some want money for mother in hospital, buffallo sick etc but they all opened their legs and let me have it my way. I have travelled all over the world and there is no other place where you can get young GFE types who speak english for one low price which includes all.
Really sorry to see it all go down if it happens.

[QUOTE=Sammon] I am sure the mayor does not want anything happen to AC. Without a cash cow what good is it for him?[/QUOTE]

AC is much much bigger than Fields and I suspect money from malls, property development, roads, etc. far outweigh the bars, and of course the bars also prejudice other development.

[QUOTE=Sammon]She already knows your name and address. Once you send money through western union, you get a confirmed reciept with a MTCN number. You need to send this reciept to her and she takes the copy to the western union office to claim the money. Without this reciept western union office will not give her money.[/QUOTE]Thank God I did not send any paper to her! The number was good enough for her to collect the cash! And fortunately I used Yahoo Mail with my nickname only. So the only things she knows is my first name and my nationality! I really hope that Western Union will not disclose any personal details. Today I got another mail from her: "I will tell a cousin that the baby is from you and he will contact a lawyer so that the lawyer can contact your embassy"! Shit, I am getting really nervous now!"

Gangles: I tried to pm you, but it does not work. I would be most interested to read any proposal to solve this problem!

[QUOTE=Rocksoff]AC is much much bigger than Fields and I suspect money from malls, property development, roads, etc. far outweigh the bars, and of course the bars also prejudice other development.[/QUOTE]I'm sure the legit business CLARK air base has brought in will bring in much more money than those bars ever did. They have major bizness opportunities on the base. It wouldn't surprise me that they want to reduce the footprint of the sex trade. So they don't become a Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Rocksoff]I suspect money from malls, property development, roads, etc. far outweigh the bars[/QUOTE]I doubt if it's quite that black and white. The two are interrelated, and different barangay and different people have different interests. Remember, the bars were supposed to curl up and die when the U.S. left Clark. They carried on, and to some extent helped prime development of the whole area.

Yes, that dynamic is changing now, but I doubt if the mayor is going to wake up one morning anytime soon and decide that the bars have to go, like Gordon did in Olangapo. He's supported them in the past, and seems well aware of the role that overseas tourists and the expat population are still playing in AC.

What this latest crackdown means for the long-term future of the place, I don't think anyone knows yet. But these things tend to feel bigger and more threatening when you're in the middle of them than when you come out the other end. So let's hope we do come out the other end, and before too long.

Hello to all,
I called my colleague today in Manila. Usually he is going every weekend to AC. Since 2 month he stops. He was there when ponytails got raid ast time. Its not funny when guys with mashine guns storm a bar jump to the stage and yelling around. You never know what those crazy MF´s doing.
Of course its kind of a farce when they play the big guys in the bar and when it comes to real action(talking about the hijack event in Manila) they act like dumb pussies...anyway I dont have much respect of those corrupted cops and army retards.
The problem AC have now, that it is not in the mayor hand to interfere. The trouble is that also some moral f..ckers from Manila dig their hands and we dont know where that will end.
There were scams and raids in the past and AC had survived. On the other hand, we never know. I remember in the 90´s they also had that shit with the EWR or barfine. They literally brought up 10 drinks and then the girl was alowed to live with you. Not sure if any of you guys remembered that one. Happend in Mistys....god that was a fun bar...had good memories about that one..and now? they put a f..ckn poker room there..I mean who the f..ck wants to fly over the Philippines to play cards? With Pinoys? ahahahahahha..you dont have any chance to win in a casino, but you have Zero chance to win in a Philippine place LOL..how retarded can one be to hope to win anything there..and if you do...you end up dead in a van(check the news of the killed koreans and pinoys who won on a cardagme before and found dead in their van).
I am stuck in business right now but I fly home (my home Philippines) end of next month, beginning November and then look at AC with my own eyes if it has changed or not. I dont want to see girls doing the AC shuffle with street clothes. I go to the big bars to see their shows, bodypainting, dancing, etc. I go to the small bars to flirt with the girls, have a good time, etc.
If that is not possible any more. I just have my fun in Manila or take my GF to Subic on the weekend. At least I have some beach there...mallwalking in AC..got the malls in Manila next to me.Golf? no thanks, to young for that one.
Guys, if the bars are gone, the money will be gone. The only thing I could imagine that it will be a freelance scene in Angeles citym but with all the setups by freelancers and then the cops around...no thanks. Aside from that, if a FL has to work on the streets and not at the bar, there has to be one reason, right?
On a good note. My friend told me that the small bars are pretty safe and ok. I am talking about perimeter. So if I would be in town right now, I would hit perimeter.
Hope things are going to be better soon for AC.

Blink

[QUOTE=Barfiner]Thank God I did not send any paper to her! The number was good enough for her to collect the cash! And fortunately I used Yahoo Mail with my nickname only. So the only things she knows is my first name and my nationality! I really hope that Western Union will not disclose any personal details. Today I got another mail from her: "I will tell a cousin that the baby is from you and he will contact a lawyer so that the lawyer can contact your embassy"! Shit, I am getting really nervous now!"
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Tell her to go! Ask her if a rabbit runs through a brier patch how do you know which brier got it.

I did not say yesterday, but you posted today, it is not your baby, so that is good. If anyone get a girl pregnant do the right thing.

Robb

[QUOTE=Barfiner]Thank God I did not send any paper to her! The number was good enough for her to collect the cash! And fortunately I used Yahoo Mail with my nickname only. So the only things she knows is my first name and my nationality! I really hope that Western Union will not disclose any personal details. Today I got another mail from her: "I will tell a cousin that the baby is from you and he will contact a lawyer so that the lawyer can contact your embassy"! Shit, I am getting really nervous now!"

Gangles: I tried to pm you, but it does not work. I would be most interested to read any proposal to solve this problem![/QUOTE]

Do not be worried. There is nothing a local lawyer can do. All paternities have to be proven by DNA and a court has to order support payments. Nobody can force you to do a DNA test. U.S embassy or any other embassy routinely ignore any claims of this nature unless you have committed violent crimes .
Imagine if the Embassy gets involved in petty issues they will e busy up to their necks.
I would just ignore her and cease all contact by e mail or otherwise. Soon she will give up. By the way it looks like you could be the father. These things do not get to this stage innocently by you just sending money to a girl to help her. There is more to this story than what you are implying. No girl ever gets this arrogant just because you sent her money.
Never go anywhere near AC. There is nothing she can do legally but she can easily hire goons to cause you harm. You are 100% safe in your country.

Sad to see the current state. Hope it clears up very soon.

I have one month till my trip.

My guess is that if the mayor is blackmailing the businesses, that sooner or later he will get his. If a small website like this gets that info, I'm sure it will spread. And either the bars pay, or influence him another way. Hes lucky hes not in Mexico. He would of already been paid a visit.

But then if the mayor is taken out, I'm sure that wouldn't attact positive attention to AC either.

Well. Good Luck to AC

[QUOTE=Barfiner]Thank God I did not send any paper to her! The number was good enough for her to collect the cash! And fortunately I used Yahoo Mail with my nickname only. So the only things she knows is my first name and my nationality! I really hope that Western Union will not disclose any personal details. Today I got another mail from her: "I will tell a cousin that the baby is from you and he will contact a lawyer so that the lawyer can contact your embassy"! Shit, I am getting really nervous now!"

Gangles: I tried to pm you, but it does not work. I would be most interested to read any proposal to solve this problem![/QUOTE]

Just send her a polite mail stating that you helped her financially with good intention because she was a hungry pregnant woman Also state in the mail that she has taken advantage of the crumbs you threw at her and has resorted to blackmail. Hence, you are now reporting to your cousin brother who works in the FBi and he is taking it up with the Phillipines police authorities. They will be landing anytime at her door and will ask for a DNA test. And in the DNA test, if proven that she has had multiple partners and also if it is proven the kid is not yours, then she will be behind bars for 10 years.

This will surely go over her head and she will just stop. Second option is to just block her mail I'd and it will bounce back when she sends the mail to you. She will get the message strongly. She is just trying her luck, which normally the Fillipino girls do, when they land with a soft hearted guy. They just want to suck the money out. I recall about 4 years back a story in the Angeles city threAd, wherein a guy went crazy about being taken for a ride by a girl and he had made a huge emotional investment into her, only to realize that the girl was already married and so were her 5 sisters and all the 6 of them were into prostitution and extracting money out of vulnerable guys.

Just ignore her and move on. Don't respond to her mails. You will be fine

Cheers,