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[QUOTE=Matius]
.....................The bars, hotels, restaurants, primarily supported by tourists, pump huge sums of money into the local economy. From San Miguel beer sales, to laundry, to ice, trike drivers, dvd sales, grocery sales, the list goes on and on. So while correct the bars in themselves don't create a huge revenue, the associated infrastructure does generate huge amounts of consumerism.

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I think the hyperbole you are using in your post (words like "huge sums", "huge amounts") is just not true Matius, not when you consider that most guys who go to AC do so for low-cost happy hours and very cheap EWRs, and even then they do sneak-outs etc. In other words, most (not all) but most mongers who go to AC don't spend very much at all.

Even if 200 mongers spent 2000 USD over a 2 week period, that is still only 16 - 20 M pesos over 2 weeks. The amount of money spent DAILY on jueteng alone in and around the area is equivalent to this sum.

It is the revenue generated across the Clark import and export zones that is "huge".

Bar revenues and the money spent by monger tourists is a drop in the bucket.

I think what will happen is that the bars will become compressed into a relatively small section of Fields, and they will become well-policed and cordoned off from the mainstream areas (a bit like Burgos Street is in Manila).

JMHO.

Hi guys,

I agree to all whats said here about AC bars where the real money comes from and that Clark Freeport zone is also big, etc. etc.
but what they guys do after their work in CLark? Yes they go barhop LOL. Same as the pilots, they also there. Texas instruments and all the other guys working there. They all spend their cash on girls in AC. All the expats living there. 5000? not sure about the right figure? 2000? have to do some research how many army/military retired live in AC, how many of the invest in property, hotels, restaurants bars. How many new business grow up every day to cater for the foreigners?
It all starts with US, foreigners and the bars. Write the bars off, write the money off.
If no more bars in AC I as an expat will just go to see other pussy. My 40 or 50k I spent there in a month for hotel and pussy on weekends will go somewhere else. Same as the money from other guys coming over from Manila, SUbic or elsewhere to have a good time in AC. DOnt forget that the working girls invest their money also right back into the country, buying clothes, sending their siblings to school, buying their pinoy bf a new motor LOL.
Think about this all. We are also talking about investments. I dont see much new investments for Ermita, Manila or Malata. SUre they have still their conferences and hotel have bookings, but most of them arre worn out. I see nothing new, except the new Hyatt built some years ago.
Manila is dead. Its lively around Pasay with all their rip off KTV bars and yes Koreans and Japanese have their fun too, but think back how it was until Lim closed all down..and then look at it how it is today..

Happy weekend to all!

Blink

[QUOTE=Blink157]Hi guys,

I agree to all whats said here about AC bars where the real money comes from and that Clark Freeport zone is also big, etc. Etc.

But what they guys do after their work in CLark? Yes they go barhop LOL. Same as the pilots, they also there. Texas instruments and all the other guys working there. They all spend their cash on girls in AC. All the expats living there. 5000? Not sure about the right figure? 2000? Have to do some research how many army/military retired live in AC, how many of the invest in property, hotels, restaurants bars. How many new business grow up every day to cater for the foreigners?

It all starts with US, foreigners and the bars. Write the bars off, write the money off.

If no more bars in AC I as an expat will just go to see other pussy. My 40 or 50k I spent there in a month for hotel and pussy on weekends will go somewhere else. Same as the money from other guys coming over from Manila, SUbic or elsewhere to have a good time in AC. Don't forget that the working girls invest their money also right back into the country, buying clothes, sending their siblings to school, buying their pinoy bf a new motor LOL.

Think about this all. We are also talking about investments. I don't see much new investments for Ermita, Manila or Malata. SUre they have still their conferences and hotel have bookings, but most of them arre worn out. I see nothing new, except the new Hyatt built some years ago.

Manila is dead. Its lively around Pasay with all their rip off KTV bars and yes Koreans and Japanese have their fun too, but think back how it was until Lim closed all down. And then look at it how it is today.

Happy weekend to all!

Blink[/QUOTE]Most of the workers are philippino. And you don't see them frequenting the fields bars. Billions flow in from Clark. Most of these bars generate nothing compared to one company on Clark. And they have more coming. They have major Korean investments coming in. Not only in Subic but for Clark also. Its wishful thinking on your part that you would think any country or city or politician woulld really want to fight for a sex zone when they stand to lose major investment from big business/USA funding.

Especially in a catholic country where it is definitely frowned upon. Its just gotten too big and too noticeable worlwide. Even Tijuana zona isn't as big and they still have 3 major military bases next door in San Diego. I don't think there is another predominately Catholic country which has a sex zone as big. Thats why the economics doesn't matter as you have seen with Ermita.

I don't think it will go away completely, it will probably remain the size or reduced a bit, with changes to the way they operate. As it operated before. No body painting or partial nudity (see thru tops) whch are a relatively new occurance. They used to dress in sexy attire like a 2 piece bathing suit. Not even thongs.

Its bigger than the mayor. He's a small man in the big scheme of things.

Left AC three weeks ago before all these raids happened and would give anything to be back in AC right now, or perhaps just in the Philippines. Sure there is calamity on everyone's mind but one thing is for sure no matter what happens there will always be an overabundance of available and willing pussy to help you spend your money and maybe it's better the bar (middle man) is constrained. Not one bar will dare raise their EWR, not now anyway. Filipinos are amazingly creative when it comes to getting to your money. What choice do they have. If they really wanted to eradicate the gray business, it could be done, but why would they kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. In any event if you are a foreigner with your shit together you are guaranteed to find pussy in the Philippines and this is probably the best time to witness first hand the shift in bar tactics the needyness of girls looking for money.

No argument though that as in any well developed mongering zone, Singapore, Amsterdam, Nevada, that the powers will want to control the trade so revenue is maximized. Just don't think these guys can pull it off since the in the Philippines everyone is looking for money.

Anyone heard of or been to these bars in AC?

Forbidden Planet and Sharks, not sure where these places are located in AC (fields or perimeter) and if they are the multi-tier BF bars.

[QUOTE=Wadman]Sigh...

All these reports about raids, crackdowns and girls being out of the bars. Makes me wanna stay home. However, I bought my tickets a few weeks ago, going to be there from Sept 29 till Oct 6.

The ironic thing is, I don't really need to go to AC. I am based in southern China, one hour's drive away from the infamous ChangPing, and other nearby places where the girls have better attitudes.

As I get enough action here in China, my reasons for going to AC are:
- the shows. Half-naked girls dancing on stage. In China, everything is behind closed doors. But it looks like the shows/dancing in AC may feature girls in their streetclothes now...aaaaaarrrrrrggghhh!!!
- change of pace from the usual Chinese girls
- drinking. You can drink in a KTV, or in one of those open air BBQ places in China. But it's just not the same as drinking in a bar.
- to be out of China during the national holiday here

I am meeting up with a couple of AC vetarans who have assured me that pussy can still be had in AC.

So, things will magically get better in a week's time, right?[/QUOTE]

Sorry Wadman,
I don't think one week will change anything at the moment. I suspect this will linger on or get worse as times go by. I remember the old days in Manila that had this same similar situation. A ******* mayor (Mayor Lim of Manila) decided to do raids on all the nice little bars in Ermita/Malate. This area of Manila back then was very similar to what AC or Pattaya was like now. Many bars with Cheap booze and women. Mayor Lim kept the raids and pressure on the bars for months until they all folded up and to this day have never recovered. Only time will tell if AC will be greatly affected and to what degree.

On the other hand, AC have so many bars at this time, there will be some bar closings when you arrive but anything remaining open should be more than enough to get by on.

Shark

[QUOTE=Barfiner]Good hint! Hope other guys are smarter than I because I do not wish anybody such an unpleasant situation. I have learned my lesson and will not send any money to somebody anymore. And Mr Sammon is right, who knows who the real father is if a bargirl had a couple of customers within one week. Even if a child is at the end of the day half white it could be from whomever who had barfined her. Maybe even the girl has no clue. Can that be? Sorry that I bother you with my problems![/QUOTE]Hey, No problem bro. You had a good reason to flip-out a little, it's natures way of getting us to, "watch the fuck out". Unless you stay home and watch tv every night, shit happens. Have Fun Now, (because that's the only thing that makes sense).

Cheers Bro

16-Sep, 5:37PM: Scene outside of Dirty Duck complete with video cam.

Larger group fronting Forbidden City (photo unavailable).

I am currently in AC, and there is plenty of pussy around. So far, I had no difficulty at all to get what I wanted. Sometimes, I had to be a little bit flexible and meet the girl only outside the bar (again). But with the closure of 3 bars, there are still plenty of other bars. And there are only few punters around. So, even there might be fewer girls than usual and even it takes a bit longer to find the good choice, the scene is not dried out.

I would be a bit cautious if there is or are filipino man or men in the bar. As we learned, this is the way they started the raid: a filipino inspector sitting there and taking pictures for "evidence". So, if I see a filipino man in a bar, I go to the next one. There are enough others.

And as as side remark: virtually all Fields bars have no a sign "no photos, no videos, no cameras, no mobile phone cameras" or similar. In the past, it was no problem to take pictures in the bars (as opposed e.g. to Pattaya where this was not allowed for long already). But now, with the tricks of the inspectors, the bars are reluctant - with good reason, I believe.

In some places, the girls might be reluctant if we want to inspect their assets in the public. In some other bars, they have no problem.

I do not want to speculate about the future of AC. But a short calculation with the average number of punters, their daily spending (i.e. the money that flows into AC due to the available pussy), proves easily that the total inflow of money is probably less than other industries. So, the question remains: how much are the other industries (e.g. Korean investments) attracted by the fact that cheap pussy is available. Since Asian employees and managers are often deployed without their families, the companies might want to invest in a place, where their staff feels happy. I am not sure about this indirect effect. But one thing is for sure: where there is demand there is also supply. No government in the world has been able to stop this simple rule. Just the form is different - more or less visible.

Wonderer

... now going out to find more pussy...

hi to all,

i think we can go back and forth about ac bars. for me its clear, if the bars are gone, the money will be gone also. look at ac 20 years ago. a dump, a sh..hole, right? look at it now. why do they invest there? because its full of avaible pussy. so i would say, if the bars are gone, the pussy will be gone, the foreigners will be gone,the money will be gone and the investment will be gone.
people who live there like me, dont have any problem to find what they like. its just that if you come over to the weekend you dont want to see a f..ckn cop interrupting your piece of mind while having a cold san miguel or having fun at barhop. if you live there, you get chosy if it comes to girls, while you have plenty of gf´s you can just txt to come over. you or at least i, go there for the weekend, to have some nice food, walk around, no need to drive from one point to another, get away from manila traffic and pollution, meet expats, chit chat, in other words go there to relax.
what i dont need on my weekends are some f..ckn moral hypocrates making video and photos as an "evidence". those same mf´s [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] their **** sisters or cousing with 12 or so, or become priest to f..ck the servants in the ass..sorry, but i have to vomit if i read about the fkcn double morality of the pinoys.
philippines has to offer pussy and beaches. if the pussy is gone , i can have the beach somewhere else (including pussy) same as in thailand.
i work in manila, so the last thing i want for the weekend is to see my face somewhere in one of their shows for the retarded ones as in "the buzz" or with that little piggy ugly bakla dwarf from "im imbestigator".
thanks no thanks.
happy weekend to all!

blink

[quote=sharka]sorry wadman,
i don't think one week will change anything at the moment. i suspect this will linger on or get worse as times go by. i remember the old days in manila that had this same similar situation. a ******* mayor (mayor lim of manila) decided to do raids on all the nice little bars in ermita/malate. this area of manila back then was very similar to what ac or pattaya was like now. many bars with cheap booze and women. mayor lim kept the raids and pressure on the bars for months until they all folded up and to this day have never recovered. only time will tell if ac will be greatly affected and to what degree.

on the other hand, ac have so many bars at this time, there will be some bar closings when you arrive but anything remaining open should be more than enough to get by on.

shark[/quote]
law of supply and demand determines the price. if there are few bars with fewer available women the barfines will be on par with makati + you need to pay separate for sex. right now there are lots of bars on fields and outlying areas where pussy is cheap. practically all bars including local karaoke/videoke places are crawling with women. it is an experience hanging out with local guys in videoke place. very relaxed and friendly. just do not go alone. i had a local gf. i do not think it is a good idea to take girls from there as many seemed to look ****. however they are willing. the barfine quoted was 800 pesos i believe. did not dare take any girls from there but it was a night with fun in a no frills environment and the drink is cheap. there was no pressure to buy drinks to anybody. couple of times we bought drinks to others were immediately reciprocated by them or the owner buying us drinks. besides they had good finger food.
now back to the discussion. if there are any more raids and closing i am sure most of the punters stay away. what good is a glitzy bar without customers? right now all the bars are well kept. if they are not maintained and stinky who would want to go.
next thing to close will be the hotels. there are no real classy restaurents in there so no worry. however the priced for food will be reduced to keep the locals and expats who live there coming back.
i know i spend minimum4000-5000 pesos a night not counting hotel charges. barhopping,barfines, food, disco, tips etc costs money. multiply this with hundreds or more people who come there any given day. how can a entertainment district survive without all this money.
most of the industries will be there for cheap labor. they will not replace the money lost by closing the entertainment district.
if phi government is smart they should rock the boat. ofcourse some restrictions about no **** girls , no nudity etc should be enforced. not by raids which looks more like a terrorist operation than a simple raid on a bar. if they would have handled the same kind of operation on the bus hijacker quite a few lives could have been saved.

Between the economy and the raids. The city won't have to worry. The bars are already hurting. Economics will force closures, and I couldn't image any one thinking a mega bar would be a good investment in these with thes conditions. So with no new bar investors those empty lots will be converted into something other than a bar. Just as Santos (blow road) used to have bars on both sides of the street. Now its turning into condos and restaurants and as legit business come. The bars will be reduced.

Just think if you were not a monger would you want your daughter or wife going anywwhere near fields. Knowing every foreigner will approach her thinking she is a Hoe. And I don't think its reasonable to think they are building all those condos for mongers.

But being the PI, like anything there it will be a slow process. But in 10yrs I suspect fields will be different and not the monger haven it is now.

From the ground: I have been in AC almost 48 hours. First day seven of my friends and I did a eight hour bar hop and yesterday two of us did a 10 hour bar hop and I happy to say that I (IMHO) see no difference from my other 11 or 12 visits this year. The bars are full of girls and mongers and I had as much fun as I always have in the past.

It is 6 am:( I crashed early (10 pm???) thanks to some shots:(

Book your tickets and enjoy!

Robb

[QUOTE=Robbaf]From the ground: I have been in AC almost 48 hours. First day seven of my friends and I did a eight hour bar hop and yesterday two of us did a 10 hour bar hop and I happy to say that I (IMHO) see no difference from my other 11 or 12 visits this year. The bars are full of girls and mongers and I had as much fun as I always have in the past.

It is 6 am:( I crashed early (10 pm???) thanks to some shots:(

Book your tickets and enjoy!

Robb[/QUOTE]

Nice Photos keep up posting I will be booking my trip very soon for sure;)

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]Between the economy and the raids. The city won't have to worry. The bars are already hurting. Economics will force closures, and I couldn't image any one thinking a mega bar would be a good investment in these with thes conditions.[/QUOTE]At least it appeared the bars were hurting the two days I was there. There seemed to be plenty of people around, e.g. in the streets, PB full when I tried to book and CP being at capacity while I was there. But the insides of all of the bars were empty. Either my wingmen and I were the only ones inside the bars or there were one or two more patrons.