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[QUOTE=Hibukhibok;1387516]Well, another triumph of the Catholic Church, turning the feast day of an obscure saint into an orgiastic celebration of physical love. Well, wait a minute, I have got it wrong in the old days it was the other way around, turning a pagan manifestation into a Christian one.[/QUOTE]I thought Hallmark and Interflora invented it. LOL
[quote=hibukhibok; 1387497]1. you did take care of your kid to the point of worrying about his education and bringing him back later to your own country, which implies that you did acknowledge your paternity legally. snip.
now with your 2300 posts i should defer to your idyillic vision of the phils of course. i am sorry that i can't.[/quote]hang about, mate. re-read my post and then tell me just where exactly i said that my son was born out of wedlock? you have a bad habit of jumping to conclusions and making wild and unsubstantiated assumptions based on the slightest of evidence, such as what your pair of teacher girlfriends told you (which might and might not be true or partially true).
even when born outside of marriage, i know of many cases where the absent foreign father has continued to provide support for their child and that child, far from being disadvantaged, has all the benefits and more of his 100% pinoy peers. for those that don't have this support, then i guess that their foreign dna which tend to often make them bigger and stronger, cannot be a disadvantage in the daily struggle facing all poor and fatherless kids in the philippines, of which there are legion.
as to my 'idyllic vision', i think that i ditched that on about day 2 of my move here over 15 years ago, a length of residency which might just have more relevancy than my number of isg posts!
Your recent pics arent the 10000 P girl are they? What about that report?
[QUOTE=SuperMuda; 1260098]You guys are great.
Just a little while ago I called her. Her mother decided she will let her go as I long as I buy her.
A list of items or to make it easier for me just western union 10000 pesos. Girl told me thats the way.
Guess I shouldn't have sent her pics of me in my new bmw.
She said don't worry sweetheart 10000 is nothing for you.
Learned my lesson but damn she is so freaking hot.
Took your advice and said so sorry I have to cancel trip. So busy.
I promise I will post reports when I get back[/QUOTE]
[quote=cunning stunt; 1387546]hang about, mate. re-read my post and then tell me just where exactly i said that my son was born out of wedlock? you have a bad habit of jumping to conclusions and making wild and unsubstantiated assumptions based on the slightest of evidence, such as what your pair of teacher girlfriends told you (which might and might not be true or partially true).
even when born outside of marriage, i know of many cases where the absent foreign father has continued to provide support for their child and that child, far from being disadvantaged, has all the benefits and more of his 100% pinoy peers. for those that don't have this support, then i guess that their foreign dna which tend to often make them bigger and stronger, cannot be a disadvantage in the daily struggle facing all poor and fatherless kids in the philippines, of which there are legion.
as to my 'idyllic vision', i think that i ditched that on about day 2 of my move here over 15 years ago, a length of residency which might just have more relevancy than my number of isg posts![/quote]oops, sorry for my assumptions. i forgot that i am talking here with a select group of very responsible gentlemen, my apologies to you and the others. i have a daughter and a son and they are so white that when they were small their mother was assumed to be the nanny (and asked if she could switch employers for a better compensation.).
yes when they were in the phils they were beloved by the extended family and the subject of much attention by strangers, not necessarily welcome btw even when well meaning as was nearly always the case.
and yes i married the mom at the church later, the only wedding which counts for her, the previous one being strictly for visa purposes. that being said i have traveled in the phils and observed more than once poor mestizo kids whose fathers were obviously absent physically or western union wise.
as to illegitimacy being an obstacle to a child's education i stand by what i said, girl friend or no girl friend.
there was however a fairly recent decision (i read it in a filipino newspaper) that it could no longer constitute grounds for being denied admission to certain "elite" schools, colleges or universities. i will try to find the reference.
for an admittedly very special and sad case of mestizo kids see
'amerasians' in the philippines fight for recognition.
by sunshine lichauco de leon, for cnn.
updated 9:06 pm est, sat march 3, 2012.
also (unrelated) even if you acknowledge your illegitimate child by a filipina, he / she will not have your last name (do i understand this correctly?)
"an illegitimate child shall use the surname of his mother (art. 176, f. c.) regardless of whether or not his father admits paternity. (opinion of the civil code revision committee, september 23, 1988)".
maybe nice to know before you decide to impregnate your (all too willing) dia partner.
[QUOTE=Red Kilt;1387527]Already? For many girls, if they get to 20 and don't have a baby they think they must be ugly or something[/QUOTE]I am not so naive. In Madagascar it is very average and not viewed with disapproval on the contrary, proves that the girl can procreate and later on render to the ancestors the cult they deserve.
By having children who in turn will honor them (by once in a while opening their collective graves, rearranging their bones in new shrouds, much feasting, oxen sacrifices, libations and unavoidably copulations, hopefully fruitful).
My mother was forever wondering where her white sheets were disappearing until one of her maids told her that she and the others (otherwise scrupulously honest) had to steal them (to make shrouds) otherwise terrible things would happen to the household.
Be thankful that in the Phils the Catholic Church has eradicated such (or equivalent) practices but not the various fecundity cults which predated its arrival and recycled them to its advantage and I assume yours.
[QUOTE=Hibukhibok; 1388462]Also (unrelated) even if you acknowledge your illegitimate child by a Filipina, he / she will not have your last name (do I understand this correctly?)
"An illegitimate child shall use the surname of his mother (Art. 176, F. C.) regardless of whether or not his father admits paternity. (Opinion of the Civil Code Revision Committee, September 23, 1988)".
Maybe nice to know before you decide to impregnate your (all too willing) DIA partner.[/QUOTE]I don't believe this is true any longer. I have an American friend who has children here, has never been married to the mother, and all of the children have his last name. I believe that all that was required to make this happen was his signature on the birth certificate.
GE
The "Revilla Bill" penned in 2004 by former Senator / Actor Ramon Revilla Sr, allows illegitimate children to legally use the fathers name as long as he acknowledges the child. Very useful for him since he has more than 80+ children
Respectable gentlemen!
I am trying to start using DIA and other similar sites in anticipation to my visit to BKK and AC (or Manila. Haven't decided for sure yet). I would greatly appreciate to hear your thoughts on the following:
1. DIA is a free sight and had few nice exchanges with girls from BKK and Phil. Are there additional free sights that are recommended to meet local girls (non-pros, semi-pros)?
2. Any advice (from experience) of how is best to translate a nice chat / Skype into a GFE experience upon arrival?
Many thanks in advance!
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[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1389288]Respectable gentlemen!
I am trying to start using DIA and other similar sites in anticipation to my visit to BKK and AC (or Manila. Haven't decided for sure yet). I would greatly appreciate to hear your thoughts on the following:
1. DIA is a free sight and had few nice exchanges with girls from BKK and Phil. Are there additional free sights that are recommended to meet local girls (non-pros, semi-pros)?
2. Any advice (from experience) of how is best to translate a nice chat / Skype into a GFE experience upon arrival?
Many thanks in advance!
A[/QUOTE]Odd are small of meeting non-pro's or 'regular' girls in AC on dating sites for naughty meetups. If you go to AC, hit the bars and massage places. Skip the 'regular' girls. OTOH, Manila and Cebu are ripe for regular gals.
[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1389288]Respectable gentlemen!
I am trying to start using DIA and other similar sites in anticipation to my visit to BKK and AC (or Manila. Haven't decided for sure yet). I would greatly appreciate to hear your thoughts on the following:
1. DIA is a free sight and had few nice exchanges with girls from BKK and Phil. Are there additional free sights that are recommended to meet local girls (non-pros, semi-pros)?
2. Any advice (from experience) of how is best to translate a nice chat / Skype into a GFE experience upon arrival?
Many thanks in advance!
A[/QUOTE]Dia, Filipino Cupid (fc) , Tagged. Com and more have loads of pinays in avery aspect there is to it. Dia has, in my exp, a fair share more of p4p's than fc. And I have during my stay in Manila met a few both now and my last stay in November last year. They have mostly decent profiles all of them but if you choose people mentioning, fun, openminded, romance / dating in the profile and they have left out the ever boring LTR you should be fine.
Just asknthe girls straight out what you are up to. I have few profiles out there and I give them a pretty goodbidea I am not seeking a long time girlfriend. I tell them I look for fun so the chats are quicly translated into what kindnof fun I look for, hehe. The funny part, and I believe you find this only in amazing phils, is that the girls don't mind you seeing a lot of other girls (atleast they say so). They are just happy to meet to have a few hours of decent life (surroundings, eating and so on). I am open about seeing a lot of other girls as well so they know they can not stay forever. Ofcourse every now and then you pick the wrong girl, hit and miss, but thisntime I have screened it a lot better before meeting as in webcam (many girls look very pretty in arranged photos in their profiles but quite ordinary in real life). Webcamsessions prevents this. I also ask them to raise up so I can see the ass as I like the ass shaped in a certain way. Just a few tips.
And nb! There might be rare exceptions but mostly girls in datingsites are not hi so or middle class girls. Models or extreme beauty you find through philnor korean sources and it will cost you. But you can meet beautiful girls and to disclosure if they are hardned in the game you find out when you meet them as newbies often are shy and wants the room to be dark when FS starts. Regular p4p don't mind doing it in bright light.
[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1389288]1. DIA is a free sight and had few nice exchanges with girls from BKK and Phil. Are there additional free sights that are recommended to meet local girls (non-pros, semi-pros)?
2. Any advice (from experience) of how is best to translate a nice chat / Skype into a GFE experience upon arrival?
Many thanks in advance![/QUOTE]1) I think DIA is the best free site. Tagged is alright, but its search function is poor, and it's slow. FC is well worth the meager sum; you can browse members as a standard, i.e. free, user but messaging in crippled. FilipinoFriendFinder wants your money but the quality and quantity of members is far exceeded by FC and DIA. PinaLove appears to have a good number of quality girls, but I haven't paid for the membership, and I recall a free member is also crippled. Badoo is supposedly the hot "in" site around the world, but I haven't found anything compelling enough for me to pay for it. As a free user you can send and receive messages, but you can't see who's interested in you. HornyMatches has far too few members to make it worth your time or dime.
2) If she's in your bed I think it's rare to not find a GFE with any Filipina including the most hardened working girls.
In your profile be honest. If you're looking for short-time interludes don't write you're looking for the love of your life, want to get married, and bring her home with you. I've been told this: "Every guy writes he's Prince Charming, but when you contact him you find out he's a frog." I think it's folly to start high in her estimation and march yourself down to the gutter. Better to establish you're looking for sex and then in your conversations show what a charming and humorous guy you are. Start low and work high. Don't mention money, visas, etc. Never try to entice a girl by offering to pay her. If she's looking to get paid she'll let you know. If she isn't a working girl you've just offended her. There are girls who want money for their "tuition", and in their minds they don't see themselves as prostitutes.
Other than trying to control a girl I think the worst thing one can be is wishy washy. The girls will twist you into knots. Establish in your mind whether you're willing to travel to meet them and where, how long you'll wait (they're almost always late) , whether you'll pay for a 3-hour cab ride for her to meet you, etc. Personally I refuse to go anywhere to meet them. It's always my condo. I'll wait 60 minutes past the meeting time unless the girl has been contacting me to let me know she'll be late, bad traffic, etc. Cancellations do happen. I'm always forgiving about it the first time because I've invested some effort to arrange the meeting. If it happens repeatedly she's dropped.
It seems girls will always want to know how many women you've been with. If you tell them the truth you may burn yourself. If you lie and say "none" she won't believe it. Sidestep it by telling her you don't discuss your past, you won't ask her about hers, and you prefer to focus on her and the present.
From time to time I come across strongly worded apparent accusations: "You're just looking for fun!" and "So, you just want to fuck me?" In every case my reply is "You've read my profile" and that I'd like to enjoy "intimate encounters" with them. This often works; not that it's persuasive, but because it's honest. When talking to the girls in my bed they told me this challenge is merely a test.
How much texting are you willing to put up with? If you like 18-year-old girls who are unemployed be prepared for the phone to be vibrating continuously. The young will consume your time in unproductive ways.
Even if you're on holiday it's best to tell the girl you're here for work. You have a legitimate reason to send her on her way, not answer her texts, cancel a meeting if something better comes along, etc.
Lastly, make certain you're only conversing with girls who are within a close proximity to you. Assuming you'll be in Manila there's no reason to be interacting with someone sitting in Cebu or Iloilo. Heck, even Antipolo may be too far. You'll get messages from Pinays in the Middle East, Hong Kong, Japan, Korea, etc.
[QUOTE=Hutsori; 1389560]. Excellent advice.
[QUOTE=Hutsori;1389560]In your profile be honest. If you're looking for short-time interludes don't write you're looking for the love of your life, want to get married, and bring her home with you. SNIP Other than trying to control a girl I think the worst thing one can be is wishy washy.[/QUOTE]NOTHING is worse than being vague in your online profile. When I turn mine on (2 weeks prior to my trip) , it is extremely specific, like: "Like traveling Asia. Not looking for any kind of lasting relationship. Adult fun only in my hotel room. I'm generous and clean. Don't bother writing to me if you are looking for anything else." I am aware that this kind of thing is not everyone's cup of tea, as its strongly worded. But any woman who responds to this is expected F*CK and get lost. For those who have not been in phils, about half the ladies who respond to the profile DID NOT READ IT. I get 20-40 responses per day for the first few days the profile is up, which dwindles to about 5-7 per day thereafter. I don't use my picture. If you choose another, more romantic approach, you (will unknowingly) give the wrong impression. Strong (read: STRONG) in the pinay culture is romance, kids, MARRIAGE. Many pinay, in chat, don't understand how a man can be single / divorced for a long time with no intention of marrying (its just not in the cultural norm they are used to). They will assume you want marriage at some point in your life, even if its later. They feel tricked when you drop them after you return home. Even though you never talked long-term with her, she may [I][B]assume [/B][/I]that's what you meant. Be careful.
[QUOTE=Hutsori;1389560]Establish in your mind whether you're willing to travel to meet them and where, how long you'll wait (they're almost always late) ,[/QUOTE]Different approach. While Hut insists his girls come to his condo, I insist we meet in public the first time (never at my place). It gives both parties a chance to back out of the situation. I make it known in chat that if she leaves the public place with me, then we are heading to a hotel for the bang. Again, this approach is not for everyone.
[QUOTE=Hutsori;1389560]Lastly, make certain you're only conversing with girls who are within a close proximity to you.[/QUOTE]Similar: I never travel out of my hotel's city to meet: the girl must come to my city. Should I fly to CDO for a few days, I'm not traveling to Dipolog for some girl (she will come to me, and if she's a new girl, she will pay her initial transport). I refund the round-trip bus fare upon meeting (even before going to my hotel, in case she decides to go home right then).
[QUOTE=Hutsori; 1389560]1) I think DIA is the best free site. Tagged is alright, but its search function is poor, and it's slow. FC is well worth the meager sum; you can browse members as a standard, I. E. Free, user but messaging in crippled. FilipinoFriendFinder wants your money but the quality and quantity of members is far exceeded by FC and DIA. PinaLove appears to have a good number of quality girls, but I haven't paid for the membership, and I recall a free member is also crippled. Badoo is supposedly the hot "in" site around the world, but I haven't found anything compelling enough for me to pay for it. As a free user you can send and receive messages, but you can't see who's interested in you. HornyMatches has far too few members to make it worth your time or dime.
2) If she's in your bed I think it's rare to not find a GFE with any Filipina including the most hardened working girls.
In your profile be honest. If you're looking for short-time interludes don't write you're looking for the love of your life, want to get married, and bring her home with you. I've been told this: "Every guy writes he's Prince Charming, but when you contact him you find out he's a frog." I think it's folly to start high in her estimation and March yourself down to the gutter. Better to establish you're looking for sex and then in your conversations show what a charming and humorous guy you are. Start low and work high. Don't mention money, visas, etc. Never try to entice a girl by offering to pay her. If she's looking to get paid she'll let you know. If she isn't a working girl you've just offended her. There are girls who want money for their "tuition", and in their minds they don't see themselves as prostitutes.
Other than trying to control a girl I think the worst thing one can be is wishy washy. The girls will twist you into knots. Establish in your mind whether you're willing to travel to meet them and where, how long you'll wait (they're almost always late) , whether you'll pay for a 3-hour cab ride for her to meet you, etc. Personally I refuse to go anywhere to meet them. It's always my condo. I'll wait 60 minutes past the meeting time unless the girl has been contacting me to let me know she'll be late, bad traffic, etc. Cancellations do happen. I'm always forgiving about it the first time because I've invested some effort to arrange the meeting. If it happens repeatedly she's dropped.
It seems girls will always want to know how many women you've been with. If you tell them the truth you may burn yourself. If you lie and say "none" she won't believe it. Sidestep it by telling her you don't discuss your past, you won't ask her about hers, and you prefer to focus on her and the present.
From time to time I come across strongly worded apparent accusations: "You're just looking for fun!" and "So, you just want to fuck me?" In every case my reply is "You've read my profile" and that I'd like to enjoy "intimate encounters" with them. This often works; not that it's persuasive, but because it's honest. When talking to the girls in my bed they told me this challenge is merely a test.
How much texting are you willing to put up with? If you like 18-year-old girls who are unemployed be prepared for the phone to be vibrating continuously. The young will consume your time in unproductive ways.
Even if you're on holiday it's best to tell the girl you're here for work. You have a legitimate reason to send her on her way, not answer her texts, cancel a meeting if something better comes along, etc.
Lastly, make certain you're only conversing with girls who are within a close proximity to you. Assuming you'll be in Manila there's no reason to be interacting with someone sitting in Cebu or Iloilo. Heck, even Antipolo may be too far. You'll get messages from Pinays in the Middle East, Hong Kong, Japan, Korea, etc.[/QUOTE]This is very helpful. Thanks for taking the time.
[QUOTE=Westcoast1; 1389671]
Different approach. While Hut insists his girls come to his condo, I insist we meet in public the first time (never at my place). It gives both parties a chance to back out of the situation. I make it known in chat that if she leaves the public place with me, then we are heading to a hotel for the bang. Again, this approach is not for everyone.[/QUOTE]I initially did the public meet and greet, but switched to better manage my time. Travel, waiting around because she's late, etc. all add up. Also, I don't want to meet someone who's still on the fence. By coming straight to my place she demonstrates firm commitment to the cause. I've also found the since the girl has been thinking about it for hours she is much hornier, so emotionally and physically she's primed and ready for action. Much less likely to have second thoughts. Moreover, at a mall there are other things competing for her attention, especially if you're at one well known for guys prowling - Robinsons and Greenbelt. Only have experienced one back out. Now, have I been less than wowed by some of the girls who've turned up? Yep. So what? She's here, wet and willing. It's more fun than watching TV or mall wandering, ain't it?
[QUOTE=Skogis;1389427]Models or extreme beauty you find through philnor korean sources and it will cost you.[/QUOTE]A lot of it can come down to timing and been in situ and available. Last year I was contacted by a legitimate fashion model (this was obvious from the photos on her facebook page) who was given my number by a friend. She was mega hot and would normally be unavailable for p4p and if she was available, you would be looking at the sharp end of 10k. But she was between shoots and desperately sort of cash. She wanted 6k but after a bit of dickering agreed to a 2 round bout that day for 3k. She was absolutely stunningly beautiful and a surprisingly good lay (not all starfishes then) , but the real buzz was walking into Eurotel with her on my arm and hearing the clunks as jaws bounced off the floor. Priceless.