Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2963714]While I was waiting at the bus terminal at one point I did get a lady Grab driver accept my trip but within seconds she cancelled it. On the day of departure and ride back to the bus terminal, I did book a Grab car and he didn't have a problem dropping me off right at the platform of the terminal.[/QUOTE]My girl drives Bolt and does tours for foreigners. She said they can pick people up outside. If they go inside to pick up the taxi mafia will get angry. Even if there is a taxi outside at the curb they can not pick up near that taxi. She said there are signs at the bus station saying Bolt and Grab can not go inside to pick people up. Lumpini Condos in Naklua and Jomtien are the same way because they have taxi stands.

She said one day she was picking a friend up from the bus station and a taxi guy approached her angry asking what she was doing inside. She said picking up my friend. He wanted her to open her phone to show him she was not using the app. She told him he was crazy. They have their Line and Facebook groups talking about all the shit.

For me: A prostitute is a girl who as agreed to let me deposit my splooge within one of her orifices for a price.

Any other [B]International Trick[/B] posting up in here who wants to disagree with me or claim a different style is free to do so. [B]Your time; Your money; Your dick; Your call![/B]. I don't need to hold my prostitutes hand. Although I have done that. I don't need to take my prostitute to dinner. Although I have done that. But now I have a [B]kik[/B]. If I am feeling lonely I just hit her up and make a date with her. She comes over or we go out. We do stuff like goto dinner, goto the movies, get a massage together. We walk all over the city. Visit entertainment establishments where her friends work. Sightsee. Check out visit points. Go shopping together. I buy her stuff on these shopping trips.

Those that want to wife up their prostitutes, treat them like real girl friends, have them over for drinks, spend hours listening to them drone on about their problems. Have their ego boosted because they are fucking someone else's girlfriend or husband or are welcome to do so. But those same individuals should not lecture others on the dangers of hooking up with a prostitute in Thailand for more than a quick fuck (in other words, sponsorship). Because in my opinion if you are paying them and listening to their problems and licking their pussy well for me that does not add up to be a good value. Personally I am paying money to avoid all that. I got a [B]kik[/B] for that.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2963381]If you consider Pattaya ladies to be the equivalent of robot fuckers, then it doesn't matter if they have boyfriends or husbands. And if all you are interested in is a quick fuck, then of course the lady isn't going to talk to you about anything significant.

But my style is different, I drink with the ladies, and have done so for years with some of them. They know I am not trying to be their boyfriend, and many of them have personal problems that they want to share, usually with the other ladies, but sometimes with me.

The licking the pussy thing is to warm them up so the sex isn't so mechanical. Some of them claim their Thai boyfriend never does it. Since every lady wants it done differently, I try to remember what a lady wants, although there are so many, it's not easy to remember. Many ladies cooperate by pushing my head down when they want it harder.

The reason I talk about their boyfriends is because of the newbies who come to Pattaya and fall in love in the first few days. Maybe a third of the ladies in my rotation have some Farang who loves them, and sends money from home. Which helps the lady afford her Thai man, since they are expensive in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]

I'm currently in Thailand staying for three weeks. I was in Bangkok for my first week and now in Pattaya for one week. I'm at Soi 6 and have explored the bars for three nights. The girls are stunning! Tons of girls everywhere. I see them go up to white guys walking the streets and aggressively try to pull them into the bar even grabbing their crotches. However, if you are brown you will not get that much attention. I walked the street many times and probably had two girls try to pull me in. I saw a few brown guys experience the same. Note, I'm not good looking but not super ugly either. I've never had issues getting a girlfriend so I'm maybe 4-5 looks wise. But I am brown with a pretty similar skin tone to Thai people. I went in to a few bars and asked a few girls to have drinks with. One didn't really seem interested in talking so I thanked her for keeping me company and left. Spent about 200 baht on drinks for her and I. The second girl was much friendlier but when I asked how much to go upstairs she didn't seem too keen and she asked for 3000 baht for one hour plus room rate of 400 baht and she said she needed a flight of tequila shots which I felt was pretty pricey considering how much cheaper things were in Bangkok. Not to mention she seemed uninterested when I asked about what is offered. I saw a few white guys come in while I was chatting it up with the ladies and my goodness the attention these guys got was amazing. This old white gentlemen had like 2 girls trying to get his attention. And if you are a decent looking white guy you will be a god here. The ladies will throw themselves at you. I was at a bar by myself with no one batting an eye at me and this one decent looking white dude comes in and holy fuck these girls jump on him aggressively trying to get his attention. One of the 5 girls looked at me and felt sorry and pointed at one of the other (not so pretty) girls and said you want to buy her a drink. She pulls that girl towards me and was said "you like you like". That girl just looked at me with a smug face and I smile at her and then she just leaps back at the white guy like a little kid making strange noises and biting his thigh. Honestly, I thought that shit was funny as hell. The girl that tried to help me out just shrugged and went back to to doing her thing. If you are Black I think you'll do better than brown so I would recommend for you.

Also, I tried to find freelancers in Pattaya but didn't really get the same reception I did in Bangkok. I can't speak for white guys trying to get freelancers in Pattaya since I didn't get to witness those interactions.

I think Bangkok is much better if you are brown. I met a freelancer in Nana plaza. Amazing experience. A beautiful, light skin (not that I care but some people do), gorgeous wide smile, dd bolt ONS (very well done), petite, spoke okay english. She came to my hotel which was 30 min away. She asked for 2000 baht 2 hours and said she would be slow. What an amazing experience, tons of laughs trying to communicate, amazing skills; revers cow girl, cow girl, missionary, and I even lifted her to pound away but but she said it hurt so ended in missionary. She was funny and jabbed me a bit on how far my hotel was which I thought was hilarious.

So long story short. If you are white I highly recommend Pattaya. If you are black, I think you will do better than brown but not white. If you are brown, I would suggest Bangkok over Pattaya (I did not go to bars in Bangkok so I can't say the experience will be any different that Pattaya). The average is about 2-3 k baht but for two hours and at your hotel. I talked to a few girls at nana plaza and felt no discrimination. I overheard this Korean guy talking to one girl and she ask for 2000 baht. Strangely, I didn't see white guys get as much attention in Nana. So I'm cutting my stay short in Pattaya and going back to Bangkok. I'll give more updates on Bangkok reports. I'll see what prices I can get for a slightly less pretty lady.

[QUOTE=Xhunter321;2963952]...

So long story short. If you are white I highly recommend Pattaya. If you are black, I think you will do better than brown but not white. If you are brown, I would suggest Bangkok over Pattaya (I did not go to bars in Bangkok so I can't say the experience will be any different that Pattaya). The average is about 2-3 k baht but for two hours and at your hotel. I talked to a few girls at nana plaza and felt no discrimination. I overheard this Korean guy talking to one girl and she ask for 2000 baht. Strangely, I didn't see white guys get as much attention in Nana. So I'm cutting my stay short in Pattaya and going back to Bangkok. I'll give more updates on Bangkok reports. I'll see what prices I can get for a slightly less pretty lady.[/QUOTE]The racial bias in Thailand is not black vs white nor brown vs black. It's Asian vs the rest. Girls prefer Asians all else equal.

[QUOTE=XXL;2963978]The racial bias in Thailand is not black vs white nor brown vs black. It's Asian vs the rest. Girls prefer Asians all else equal.[/QUOTE]The hierarchy is Asians, Caucasian, Arab, brown people not indians, indians and then african. My advice to black guys in Thailand is always been to have your American passport because then you won't be an African.

[B]All Thai girls do not prefer Asian guys[/B]

That statement does not even sound right. If you are dealing with a prostitute. They all have their preferences. All preferences are trumped with money. The problem is that many [B]International Tricks[/B] do not have the flow to support the stack that is needed to get the attention from the girls they want to hire to be their prostitutes.

I am the type of guy that lets girls come to me. If a prostitute who's livelihood depends on getting guys to pay in order to have them sit on their face (as is the preference of some of the International Tricks posting up in here with tax problems) then if they cannot approach me to be their customer so be it.

Why do people frequent places where they are not wanted? That does not make any sense to me whatsoever. If I stopped posting in the [B]Rants[/B] section people would not be able to tell me that they did not like me or tell me to stop posting, make a big deal about putting me on ignore or various other [B]ad hominem[/B] personal attacks. I subject myself to that abuse.

If [U]Soi 6[/U] bars did not treat me right then I would keep exploring venues where I received a positive response. And some times a place is just having a bad day. Check out my experience with [U]Kings Club[/U]. Two different visits. Two different experiences. Judging Pattaya based on Soi 6 alone is like judging ISG based on the Rants Thread. LOL!

People don't like me saying it, but do not goto the Ferrari dealership if you are not prepared to pay Ferrari prices. Do you see me posting about top tier Agogos? No! Why? Because I am not prepared to pay the barfine and 3000 THB for short time or 5000 THB for long time. Beside I like to fuck in the establishment. I rarely bar fine. And it is not a matter of money. It is a matter of logistics. I would pay 3000 THB for short time if I could take the hot girls I like in [U]KINK[/U] and fuck them upstairs like I can in most gentleman's clubs. It is a personal preference. I NEVER have a problem finding a Thai girl willing to allow me to blow splooge into one of her orifices for an agreed to amount of money. And yes, some are afraid of the [B]Big Black Dick[/B] (especially on Soi 6). But that issue has not presented me with a long term problem. LOL!

Finally, I have noticed a distinct difference in the quality of the experience I receive when I am willing to spend some money. Like bottle service. I find it to be worth every THB I spend on it. I find that I tend to get the attention of not only the girls (every single one of them wanted to be at my table) in the bar but management also. Buy mamason a drink, but also talk to her about your preferences. Go with a few friends and a 3000 - 6000 THB bottle fee is not looking so bad. You can have the [U]Goose[/U] getting you loose for 3500 THB in [U]Heaven Above[/U]. Includes a bucket of ice and 4 set ups.

[B]Holla![/B]

[QUOTE=Xhunter321;2963952]Tons of girls everywhere. I see them go up to white guys walking the streets and aggressively try to pull them into the bar even grabbing their crotches. However, if you are brown you will not get that much attention. I walked the street many times and probably had two girls try to pull me in. I saw a few brown guys experience the same. Note, I'm not good looking but not super ugly either. I've never had issues getting a girlfriend so I'm maybe 4-5 looks wise. But I am brown with a pretty similar skin tone to Thai people. I went in to a few bars and asked a few girls to have drinks with. One didn't really seem interested in talking so I thanked her for keeping me company and left. Spent about 200 baht on drinks for her and I. The second girl was much friendlier but when I asked how much to go upstairs she didn't seem too keen and she asked for 3000 baht for one hour plus room rate of 400 baht and she said she needed a flight of tequila shots which I felt was pretty pricey considering how much cheaper things were in Bangkok. Not to mention she seemed uninterested when I asked about what is offered. I saw a few white guys come in while I was chatting it up with the ladies and my goodness the attention these guys got was amazing. This old white gentlemen had like 2 girls trying to get his attention. And if you are a decent looking white guy you will be a god here. The ladies will throw themselves at you. I was at a bar by myself with no one batting an eye at me and this one decent looking white dude comes in and holy fuck these girls jump on him aggressively trying to get his attention.[/QUOTE]I think you have the game mixed up. The girls are there for money, not to find their knight in shining armor. When a guy is walking down the soi and a girl is pulling on him, she is actually pulling on his wallet. She does not care what color skin is holding on to the wallet or how good the guy holding the wallet looks. They are sales people. They are selling drinks and / or pussy.

Remember these chicks are there all day every day and have experience with what type of guy may be spending what type of money. That being said, I am brown and every time I walk down Soi 6 chicks pull on me like there is no tomorrow and I do not ever spend shit. Even when I slow ride my motorbike or bicycle down the soi they do the same thing.

I think the majority of guys that go to Soi 6 are just trying to drink. If not, then there would be a waiting line for the rooms. If you are there to fuck, then it is best to ask the girl right off the price for fucking. If I am walking down and they are hollering that drink shit, I say not drink. Only boom boom. How much boom boom? Can fuck ass too?

P.S. Some girls may not seem interested to talk because they may not speak English well. But if you were to speak Thai to them they would all of a sudden brighten up and never stop talking. It is happened to me time and time again.

Try out the freelancers in the Walking Street discos after midnight. I think you may get better results. And don't start that short time shit with them. Give them 1500 for long time. 2000 tops if you have to.

SWIM suggests in Thailand and Pattaya. If you have to spend MORE money than the next guy to get the SAME girls. Then you getting GOT. Pure and simple you are apparently deficient in one or more of the following categories: looks, charm, game, common sense, self confidence, hygiene, personality, or the "it" factor. Which I like to call colors. You simply just black and white to them. Got to love discounts!

Anyways, got to meet up a fellow bro for fish curry kebabs and he is go to show me what it means to go ballistic like a Mac Pro. I need to keep reminding him that the ultimate goal was to come to Thailand to find QUALITY and the cheapest cost. And not to get suckered into the Thai "dowry" games.

I just wonder if I am still on the right track and got that "eye" along with the proper mindset to go along. This one was free. Just traded a 25 count baggie of red cinnamon gummy bear edibles. Told her that these won't come out until after New Year's. She's getting a sneak peak. How valuable is that? To call the color and flavor or something that can't be found in Thailand. LOL.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2963563]You can add Peppermint to that list.

Don't you think these girls have valid reasons to avoid servicing these guys? If there are tens of these guys coming over the girls and offering 100 bahts to bang them while the going rate is between 1500 and 2000 you don't think the girls would want to avoid them at all cost? That's even before talking about looks, odor and behaviour.

The fact that they finally came over and serviced him once they realized the guy is decent plus the fact that the management let them enter the place without objection is proof there is no systematic discrimination in these bars.

When a girl in When Angels Play bar brought my order and went straight back to seat with her friends instead of servicing me, I didn't call that discrimination. These girls have their preferences and I'm glad she's been that honest and candid, she could have attempted to dry me off by asking drinks after drinks and telling me bullshit while secretly thinking that I'm disgusting.[/QUOTE]Having preferences is fine, but more often than not there are a whole bunch of other factors at play rather than the customer just being 'bad'.

If you want to see proof of that, how about you go to Angeles in the Philippines as a white guy and compare your treatment to 5 years ago. Did all those guys suddenly become bad customers? No, the Korean bar influence has essentially made it socially desirable to ignore white guys there. Those same girls will always tell you what they think you want to hear about guys that are not your ethnicity. They're smart and know that pulls on a lot of men's ego strings.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2962631]I think guys think too much on what other guys pay. If a monger can't afford to spend as much as another guy he should not worry about it and call the guy retarded. For the so called retarded gent it may just be loose change. Remember the locals who are even less financially endowed are thinking all westerners are retarded to be spending the amount they are.[/QUOTE]Successful men can compensate for their deficiencies by developing mastery in their area of experience and bringing their A-game to the table in order to create a flow that allows them to support a stack that allows them to be [B]International Trickin[/B] however they like. Critics complain about those who got [I]it[/I] like that and complain because they refuse to put the work in order to: [B]Be ballin like a mother fucking pro[/B].

The object when I was on vacation in Pattaya was to enjoy my vacation. I spent a lot of money and had a lot of fun. I also posted about it extensively. The actual activities of having sex with girls. Now, I spend way less money and have way more fun. Those who have [I]it[/I] enjoy it. Those that don't, well they are looking to sit outside in the heat to get free internet so they don't have to buy anything. A bottle of water in 7-11 is 6 THB. And you get to cool off in the air conditioning when you enter the store to buy the bottle.

You cannot take it with you. If you have never developed the flow to support your stack, then you will never know what you are missing. But rest assured it isn't much and just keep talking about those who have [I]it[/I] cause we are enjoying it at a level that some will never even understand or know. When I was in Heaven Above the most money I spent was on myself. LOL! Let's take a look at it. Bottle Service is for me. Lady Drinks are for me. Short Time Room is for me. Short Time fee is for me. There was not a single THB that I spend that I did not benefit from.

[B]Think about that![/B]

I don't post pictures of girls I have not even fucked yet. Besides I could give a fuck about a profile picture. If you real dog, post up one that you took yourself. Hide the face if you must. But if you didn't take the pic. Then what you are posting is not real. Anybody can pull a picture off Thai Friendly or any other site and say I fucked this girl. LOL!

[B]My time; My money; My dick; My rules![/B]

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2964118]If you have to spend MORE money than the next guy to get the SAME girls. Then you getting GOT. Pure and simple you are apparently deficient in one or more of the following categories: looks, charm, game, common sense, self confidence, hygiene, personality, or the "it" factor. Which I like to call colors. You simply just black and white to them. Got to love discounts![/QUOTE]Being an oversized, old farang, with zero charm, I look at this as a positive thing. An extra 500 to 1000 baht balances out another punters more desirable "colors" and will more quickly get me out of the noisy bar and into my comfortable hotel than wasting my time trying to prove my wit and charm while drinking unwanted alcohol. It might also be a contributing factor for them accepting negotiated services such as BBFSCIP. I think it was Mr. E who recently reminded us that the girls are there for the money and little else. It’s baht for twat

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2964118]SWIM suggests in Thailand and Pattaya. If you have to spend MORE money than the next guy to get the SAME girls. Then you getting GOT. Pure and simple you are apparently deficient in one or more of the following categories: looks, charm, game, common sense, self confidence, hygiene, personality, or the "it" factor. Which I like to call colors. You simply just black and white to them. Got to love discounts!
[/QUOTE]There is still a lot of nuance there to consider.

If another punter paid 2000 baht and she only gave him covered sex with a hand job finish but I paid the SAME girl 2,500 but got DFK, BBBJ and BBFSCIP, imo the other punter was GOT.

And what about the punter who happens to meet that SAME girl standing on the street after having been kicked out of her room for non payment of rent on a rainy night, it's 3 am and the loan shark she owes money to is adding another 30% to the loan at 10 am tomorrow? So if he then gets what I got with her for only 1,500 baht, should I feel GOT or deficient in charm, good looks, game and so on?

Well, I won't. I'll just feel damn glad I don't have to wander the streets at 3 am on rainy nights to get Real Sex for an amount of baht I can easily afford to pay any time.

Those that don't have the [B]flow to support their stack[/B], they complain. Those that do, enjoy and report about it.

I am in it for the pussy. They in it for the money. Anyone who wants to use [B]Jedi Mind Tricks and Vulcan Mind Melds[/B] in order to get their prostitutes to tell them their life story then sit on their face are welcome to do so. But me I am more of the philosophical alignment of the great poet [B]Snoop Dogg[/B] who said:

[I]Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks; Lick on deez nutz and suck the dick; Get's the fuck out after you're done; And I hops in my ride to make a quick run...[/I] - Bitches ain't shit, [B]Snoop Dogg[/B].

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2964267]Being an oversized, old farang, with zero charm, I look at this as a positive thing. An extra 500 to 1000 baht balances out another punters more desirable "colors" and will more quickly get me out of the noisy bar and into my comfortable hotel than wasting my time trying to prove my wit and charm while drinking unwanted alcohol. It might also be a contributing factor for them accepting negotiated services such as BBFSCIP. I think it was Mr. E who recently reminded us that the girls are there for the money and little else. Its baht for twat[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2964068]I think you have the game mixed up. The girls are there for money, not to find their knight in shining armor. When a guy is walking down the soi and a girl is pulling on him, she is actually pulling on his wallet. She does not care what color skin is holding on to the wallet or how good the guy holding the wallet looks. They are sales people. They are selling drinks and / or pussy.[/QUOTE]In general I agree with you, first and foremost its about the baht haha, but there is a difference for sure. And honestly if roles would be reversed I understand. If you can get same amount of money from someone that you are more attracted too obviously you pull on that one more.

But great example, yesterday I was in soi6 on the early side like 7 pm. Myself I'm mid 30, can pass for early 30 look. I wear blouse, shorts, shoes, nothing to fancy but not cheap looking either. Average height, semi athletic but not amazing in any way, pretty regular basicaly, wouldn't call myself really hot looking guy is what I'm saying. Now girls pull on my just like any other guy I suppose.

Now this time there was 3 guys like 10-15 m in front of me, one of them. Tall latino guy like 1. 90 m+ basicaly same clothing style, just he has necklace and glasses extra. I would expect more sexy looking build for most women. He was an absolute magnet. The girls swamped on him from all sides at the same time. Because of this he couldn't move fast I passed him. I was 10 m in front of him. Girls jump in the middle of the road, preparing roadblock basically. At first I thought oh wait no I'm being blocked. Noo they step aside for me and 4 girls jump him at the same time behind me. I mean. It's obvious they do have preferences haha. Not that I blame them.

But a question also. In soi6. I'm not a big bar guy, but there is some nice ladies there. You mention if you just want to fuck just ask them for price right away. I thought it was no bueno to just come up and barfine rightaway, I always thought they want you to order drinks before you take a girl?

[QUOTE=SlickLicker;2964328]But a question also. In soi6. I'm not a big bar guy, but there is some nice ladies there. You mention if you just want to fuck just ask them for price right away. I thought it was no bueno to just come up and barfine rightaway, I always thought they want you to order drinks before you take a girl?[/QUOTE]If I meet a girl on the street and cut a deal with her for short time I make sure we are going to the room upstairs directly. You get what you negotiate.

People need to read [B]EihTooms'[/B] post very carefully. He makes some excellent points that provide food for thought for those who think they know it all when it comes to pricing.

You ever noticed how many posts are made by people who do not provide any information on having sex with girls? Things like the location where they procured the girl, the services negotiated, price and the quality of the services received. But if someone thinks someone else overpaid they are quick to have something to say about it. As you stated [B]EihTooms[/B], it comes down to the individual punter being happy with the social / sexual serves they received from the prostitute they hired no matter how much someone else thinks they overpaid or how cheap they think they are.

Are the guys that pay the full fee of [U]Soi 6[/U] girl that comes by to see me after her shift getting got because she charges me way less and spends way more time with me? Is this something that I am posting about the others find comical because they commonly happen to others. If so, why are they not posting about it?

[B]My time; My money; My dick; My call![/B]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2964271][b]There is still a lot of nuance there to consider.[/b]

If another punter paid 2000 baht and she only gave him covered sex with a hand job finish but I paid the SAME girl 2,500 but got DFK, BBBJ and BBFSCIP, imo the other punter was GOT.

And what about the punter who happens to meet that SAME girl standing on the street after having been kicked out of her room for non payment of rent on a rainy night, it's 3 am and the loan shark she owes money to is adding another 30% to the loan at 10 am tomorrow? So if he then gets what I got with her for only 1,500 baht, should I feel GOT or deficient in charm, good looks, game and so on?

Well, I won't. I'll just feel damn glad I don't have to wander the streets at 3 am on rainy nights to get Real Sex for an amount of baht I can easily afford to pay any time.[/QUOTE]Good to see you posting here brother. I enjoy your insights. Your talents are wasted over there in the [B]American Politics[/B] thread. LOL!

My guiding family and friends around the last month for some personal business and entertainment is near over. Good to see them but it can be tiring.

The big plan was to go into Bangkok, meet with lawyers to handle a personal matter for a friend due an unexpected operation prior to coming running around to particularly Ted99 which I was really hoping but it got cancelled business done straight back to Pattaya.

Most of the entertainment was on the Darkside of Pattaya with the GClubs, most BF were made at the Dao Bar, between Soi Nernpludwan and Khao Noi, In house, the room is very nice 300-500 BF, girls take more than happy to take 1000 baht ST and 2000 LT. Didn't expect any young types nor looks but service was very good this coming from others. I tried a few months back but the two that I did try were now gone. Out of 10, there was two max that stood out from the others.

I wrote earlier we did venture up to Maggie Mays prior to the Grand Opening place is nice but no short time rooms behind the curtain not my scene.

When you get to a certain age eating is more important at least to me and my group a number of them are a tick away from their death bed but are very well off where money is no problem. Many of our nights out from the Darkside for Dinner started on 3rd Road down a KM, or more from Soi Pothole restaurant Steak House called BULLS very good food.

We hit on the nights out majority of every GoGo on LK, found the asking BF and girl price not on par with their looks. The one off Soi 15, Playgirls had about 3 found it to be the most crowded of them all to fit our group we were given I guess the VIP behind the curtain area on one side. I can't remember the BF, but I remember 3500/4000 being thrown out by one girl. From there we walked outside and tour Soi Boomerrang and ended up at Heaven Above. Somewhat interesting a hybrid type of place GoGo and GC, girls would dance on table or booth one sits like most of LK places there are all shape, sizes and ages. I saw one older doing a show I would have BF but she went back after the show I never came back out. Certainly a place I would go back for a drink or two on a later date myself.

Walking Street, on a number of evenings, we hit, Pin Up, 79, XS, Chicks, many agree that PinUp had the best lineup but returning on other nights not the case. Majority of our visits were just looking and drinking their hard liquor straight up. Thanksgiving with a smaller group of 5 decided Bacarra, last time I was there was a year ago there were still a few girls from years back I knew one I see regularly on the side ended up with my cousin BF 1800, she took 5000 baht LT this was after buying 10,000 in drinks for her friends and a few staff. I and another sat away from him since I wanted to check the girls on stage and didn't want to be constantly ask to buy drinks. This time the two mamasan I've known for years just said Hello, and didn't stand asking for tips and drinks. My friend ended up buying a drink for one girl and another friend both real looker asking price was 4000ST, and a whopping 7800 baht for LT, I was thinking now that is a funny number. That was a cue to pay up and leave.

Walked across to Pin Up, stayed for the 3 rotation the girls we saw on the first visit, on this 3rd visit were no where to be seen or found. I too would admit line a month ago was the tops.

Walked down to Shark, I was there about a month ago, a former dancer I have known for years older works as a waitress with her Tom Daughter LOL the line up a month ago was so and so. This time it was much different as I was spotted by my waitress friend personally less girls working but I though the line up tonight was the best in our entire trip I would rate Bacarra as number two. My standard has always been I'm not looking for young and stunners, late 20's, Mid 30's 5'3 taller with the heels, nice legs, ass, mature personality and a sense they are going to perform at least in theory.

In conversation my cousins friend from H. K does like them young but I had him guess the age of my two waitress friends he took a good look face body and said 31,36, girls responded 49,51 he split out his drink and said loudly " no fucking way " he ended up with a so called super model, talk with braces 20 year old BF 2000,4000 for ST, buying drinks for old time sake with these two girls I noticed many of the dancing girls were jealous staring over at our table in the middle thinking what the hell is going on, bunch of waitress getting more drinks that we are getting. I even met the Mamasan who is 51, I was thinking silently hell I do her she has to be the best looking mamasan takes care of herself.

Now to the best part of the trip! Majority of our Saturday have been spent at my favorite GC, Kinnarree, Saturdays. In all the years I've lived here I have never tried the food which on Saturday is their dry rub ribs and Brisket. If you live here and can't return to the States like Texas it is damn good. On this day more freelancers show up many in my group got their FB contacts two in my group hooked up with girls in their mid-twenties quality can easily work in Gogo's to stay majority of their trip exclusively with them. ST, with them started at 2000 at their resort, deal was they would get 6000 baht a day. That was great for me since I didn't have to shuttle them around I just handle the van over to them put it back later with gas. LOL.

Happy Belated Thanksgiving, Happy Holidays!

I'm new in Sriracha town and I need a drinking buddy to do the Japanese Snack Bars in Sriracha because flying solo sucks. DM me.

[QUOTE=Ablablat;2964596]I'm new in Sriracha town and I need a drinking buddy to do the Japanese Snack Bars in Sriracha because flying solo sucks. DM me.[/QUOTE]Posting this question in three Pattaya thread won't bring you any result.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2963809]My girl drives Bolt and does tours for foreigners. She said they can pick people up outside. If they go inside to pick up the taxi mafia will get angry. Even if there is a taxi outside at the curb they can not pick up near that taxi. She said there are signs at the bus station saying Bolt and Grab can not go inside to pick people up. Lumpini Condos in Naklua and Jomtien are the same way because they have taxi stands.

She said one day she was picking a friend up from the bus station and a taxi guy approached her angry asking what she was doing inside. She said picking up my friend. He wanted her to open her phone to show him she was not using the app. She told him he was crazy. They have their Line and Facebook groups talking about all the shit.[/QUOTE]I have been picked up or dropped off by a Bolt driver inside the North Pattaya Bus Terminal about four times this year, without any problems.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2963448]I am not Indian, but I will get you started with the following:

These clubs continually discriminate against Indians. I have witnessed first hand the horrible behavior of the door guys at all these clubs. [/QUOTE]I'm not Indian, but I'm not East Asian or Caucasian either. Im American but Im also a person of color.

I have been going to Walking Street go-gos for over a decade. I can only speak for Walking Street because I don't really go to LK Metro, Soi 6, etc.

The reason Indians are treated poorly by WS go-gos is because they don't spend money. Fair or not, that is their reputation and stereotype. This is what Walking Street bargirls have told me directly. Indians have a reputation to go inside the club with 3-4 guys, they nurse 1-2 cheap beers, they don't buy lady drinks, staff drinks, or barfines, and basically they're taking up space for someone, especially an East Asian who will spend money.

There are two groups of people that security doors guys typically do not let in: local Thai men and Indian groups. Only way they're possibly getting in is with a bribe to security. Fair or not, those are the facts.

How do I get into any WS go-go and I dont look white or east asian? Very simple. Im dressed nicely (collared ironed shirt, nice watch, groomed, haircut, clean shoes) and I spend money. Businesses do not forget the people who spend money.
[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2964118]SWIM suggests in Thailand and Pattaya. If you have to spend MORE money than the next guy to get the SAME girls. Then you getting GOT. Pure and simple you are apparently deficient in one or more of the following categories: looks, charm, game, common sense, self confidence, hygiene, personality, or the "it" factor.
[/QUOTE]
And that old, short, fat, hairy, ugly, bald guy will simply claim that you are deficient in your bank account.

Ive mongered for many years, and Ive learned that not every monger has the same budget or bank account.

Ever seen a porno clip where an ugly nasty fat guy is fucking a young hot chick and cums inside her? Yeah, thats the power of money, not charm or game, money.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2964784]How do I get into any WS go-go and I dont look white or east asian? Very simple. Im dressed nicely (collared ironed shirt, nice watch, groomed, haircut, clean shoes) and I spend money. Businesses do not forget the people who spend money.
[/QUOTE]That could not be it. I get into the same gogos and I wear shorts and flip-flops and have not owned an iron here in 16 years. I definitely do not spend a bunch of money. Regular old Timex on my arm.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2964807]That could not be it. I get into the same gogos and I wear shorts and flip-flops and have not owned an iron here in 16 years. I definitely do not spend a bunch of money. Regular old Timex on my arm.[/QUOTE]Because you know how to operate. If you took one look at me you would laugh, although I my soccer jerseys are never wrinkled and I don't wear flip flops. Yet, I am treated like a god.

If I wore a President here, I would get no points since none of them would even know what it is and if they did they would think it was fake. I save that for Vegas.

Houston we have a Problem.

Went to 3 agogos last night, baccara, Fahrenheit, palace.

Common theme not busy at all.

Sure doent look like Busy season. I don't count Thais coming over to see Fireworks as part of busy season, .

There are some Walking Street gogos that won't let me in if I am with a Thai lady.

I don't doubt seen it first hand Indians getting turn away from entry into GoGo clubs. But as I noted majority of the clubs are owned by foreigners the Thais door guys are just doing as told.

Like Mr. E, I have never worn a long pants here in Twenty years even around 8-10 years there was a real cold spell during Christmas and New Years. But I'm clean, dress in shorts, clean nice shirt, and always shaved last I'm old, Chinese American (person of color) not any longer LOL, today consider more a spy to both countries China and USA can't get a break any longer.

There are times my looks I'm mistaken, in the beginning it was Korean, Japanese, Thai, today you can add in Chinese, If I tell them Chinese first and foremost I'm from China, tell them NO there is a difference I'm no Communist I'm made in the USA A LOL.

I'm no longer view as a hansom man, honestly never was today wherever I go, I'm " papa " I've been mistaken a few times spoken by door guys " are you Thai " even when I joke saying yes, I've never been stopped. Today, except at one or two places girls I know I do not buy drinks, my theory at particular clubs there is a time limit particularly from my experience PIN UP, XS, CHICKS, if you order a draft on busy nights that is a cue for waiters to check you bill every few minutes. Being Asian first thing they give me the drink card I politely order Sangsom straight up this seem to buy me at least to view the 3 rotations.

It is true and sad that previous Indian visitors ruin the market for others with Thais they follow the pipe piper many have no proof of the stereo type they just follow what is told by others. Thais have many forms or racism and prejudice I experience it all the time living with them.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2964976]I don't doubt seen it first hand Indians getting turn away from entry into GoGo clubs. But as I noted majority of the clubs are owned by foreigners the Thais door guys are just doing as told.

Like Mr. E, I have never worn a long pants here in Twenty years even around 8-10 years there was a real cold spell during Christmas and New Years. But I'm clean, dress in shorts, clean nice shirt, and always shaved last I'm old, Chinese American (person of color) not any longer LOL, today consider more a spy to both countries China and USA can't get a break any longer.

There are times my looks I'm mistaken, in the beginning it was Korean, Japanese, Thai, today you can add in Chinese, If I tell them Chinese first and foremost I'm from China, tell them NO there is a difference I'm no Communist I'm made in the USA A LOL.

I'm no longer view as a hansom man, honestly never was today wherever I go, I'm " papa " I've been mistaken a few times spoken by door guys " are you Thai " even when I joke saying yes, I've never been stopped. Today, except at one or two places girls I know I do not buy drinks, my theory at particular clubs there is a time limit particularly from my experience PIN UP, XS, CHICKS, if you order a draft on busy nights that is a cue for waiters to check you bill every few minutes. Being Asian first thing they give me the drink card I politely order Sangsom straight up this seem to buy me at least to view the 3 rotations.

It is true and sad that previous Indian visitors ruin the market for others with Thais they follow the pipe piper many have no proof of the stereo type they just follow what is told by others. Thais have many forms or racism and prejudice I experience it all the time living with them.[/QUOTE]It's weird tho. One time I was walking at night and girls on bikes were approaching the groups of Indian guys and propositioning them. I heard one girl say 700 for massage as she rode up to Indian guys.

The girls wouldn't approach me for some reason. I'm a white guy. This was inland just a few streets from Soi 6, probably a 10 minute walk from Soi 6 just outside my hotel.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2964807]That could not be it. I get into the same gogos and I wear shorts and flip-flops and have not owned an iron here in 16 years. I definitely do not spend a bunch of money. Regular old Timex on my arm.[/QUOTE]I agree with Mr E and LBM. Nice clothes and jewelry are not necessary. I keep freshly showered and shaven, I wear clean cargo shorts, T-shirt, tennis shoes (or sandals), and a plastic Timex. Occasionally, I'll wear a nicer shirt, but it doesn't seem to affect how I'm treated.

I have an opposite concern. Suppose I wore designer clothes and a Rolex. Would the bar girls overwhelm me and push me to ring the bell? Would that 1500 baht bar girl demand 3000 baht because she thinks I'm rich? I prefer my appearance be that of a kind man of normal means.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2964807]That could not be it. I get into the same gogos and I wear shorts and flip-flops and have not owned an iron here in 16 years. I definitely do not spend a bunch of money. Regular old Timex on my arm.[/QUOTE]Makes me laugh to read somebody rates important to have an important watch (brand) at its wrist, when fakes are offered and sold at every bar and restaurant by a multitude of sellers.

Most likely your Times is more authentic.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2964997]Suppose I wore designer clothes and a Rolex. Would the bar girls overwhelm me and push me to ring the bell? Would that 1500 baht bar girl demand 3000 baht because she thinks I'm rich?.[/QUOTE]No. Because they don't even know anything about a Rolex or designer clothes. All of their stuff comes from Shopee or off the motorbike for 100 baht. Maybe if you were around a Bangkok fashionista, but not with these country bar girls. They are not materialistic in the least. All they know is baht.

Pretty good comments everyone.

Thanks EverythingThai for starting off the list of gogos.

I agree there is a stereotype issue that Indians have to overcome. You got a billion people out there and a few bad ones can make it difficult for the rest.

[QUOTE=KrisMonger;2965039]Pretty good comments everyone.

Thanks EverythingThai for starting off the list of gogos.

I agree there is a stereotype issue that Indians have to overcome. You got a billion people out there and a few bad ones can make it difficult for the rest.[/QUOTE]More than just a few, mate. Indians are basically banned from WanChai in Hong Kong and Bui Vien Street in Ho Chi Minh City. They're certainly not welcome in Thailand or Philippines either.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2964008]The hierarchy is Asians, Caucasian, Arab, Brown people not Indians, Indians and then African. ....[/QUOTE]That's the hierarchy in mongering destinations all over the world today.

"Thailand welcomed nearly 1.64 million Indian tourists until October this year, making India its third-largest source of international visitors after Malaysia and China." Thailand approves indefinite visa free entries for Indians. Indians much beloved by the Thais. Ranked #3 out of all countries as tourist visitors to Thailand. Where did people think they got their Thai curry from?

[URL]https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/thailand-extends-visa-free-entry-for-indian-travellers-indefinitely-all-you-need-to-know-6946590[/URL]#.

Finally doing my past Covid revenge travel and decided to check out Pattaya. I actually heard about Devils Den and wanted to check it our. Sadly the place is closed.

Having walked soi 6 and walking street tonight I have to say there is an amazing amount of talent.

On display. The impression I got was that it is all eye candy unless you are in the money no object camp. Personally I am in the value for money camp and do not think.

Spending huge amount leads to any extra special service.

I did not see a lot of traffic moving in and out of these venues and a sense of desperation seemed to be present as a lot of the talent was outside recruiting. I am.

Guessing this has to do with extortionist fees being demanded. I think walking street is equivalent of nana plaza on steroids. If one does not care for this kind of model.

A little else, it seems, is on offer that I have seen so far.

The Beach Road had surprisingly good looking talent including some hot Kenyans. Sadly there is no guarantee on the health clearance side so I refrained from participating.

Also the logistics of where to bring them made me pause. Although the temptation sure was there. Also the hard core put up or shut up attitude from some the ones I met.

Was not really a turn on. I am going to try the GC next and hope its has something on offer for me. Starting to miss Bangkok as the first night I was there I got my fix. Here on.

The other hand I have been here one day and have yet to do the same. From what I have seen so far I would say Bangkok is superior.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2965331]That's the hierarchy in mongering destinations all over the world today.[/QUOTE]Clearly your opinion.

[QUOTE=Voyager1;2965379]Finally doing my past Covid revenge travel and decided to check out Pattaya. I actually heard about Devils Den and wanted to check it our. Sadly the place is closed.

Having walked soi 6 and walking street tonight I have to say there is an amazing amount of talent.

On display. The impression I got was that it is all eye candy unless you are in the money no object camp. Personally I am in the value for money camp and do not think.

Spending huge amount leads to any extra special service.

I did not see a lot of traffic moving in and out of these venues and a sense of desperation seemed to be present as a lot of the talent was outside recruiting. I am.

Guessing this has to do with extortionist fees being demanded. I think walking street is equivalent of nana plaza on steroids. If one does not care for this kind of model.

A little else, it seems, is on offer that I have seen so far.

The Beach Road had surprisingly good looking talent including some hot Kenyans. Sadly there is no guarantee on the health clearance side so I refrained from participating.

Also the logistics of where to bring them made me pause. Although the temptation sure was there. Also the hard core put up or shut up attitude from some the ones I met.

Was not really a turn on. I am going to try the GC next and hope its has something on offer for me. Starting to miss Bangkok as the first night I was there I got my fix. Here on.

The other hand I have been here one day and have yet to do the same. From what I have seen so far I would say Bangkok is superior.[/QUOTE]I do not approve of this Synopsis.

3 days of going to Various Soi 6 bars. Talent is about as bad as it's ever been. Whole Lotta Ugly.

[QUOTE=Voyager1;2965379]Having walked soi 6 and walking street tonight I have to say there is an amazing amount of talent.

On display. The impression I got was that it is all eye candy unless you are in the money no object camp. Personally I am in the value for money camp and do not think.

Spending huge amount leads to any extra special service.[/QUOTE]Why are you making the place complicated? How did you get any impressions? Around here it is easier to talk and ask instead of relying on unfounded impressions. Just walk up and say how much for boom boom. Simple.

[QUOTE=Voyager1;2965379]The Beach Road had surprisingly good looking talent including some hot Kenyans. Sadly there is no guarantee on the health clearance side so I refrained from participating.

Also the logistics of where to bring them made me pause. Although the temptation sure was there. Also the hard core put up or shut up attitude from some the ones I met.[/QUOTE]There are no Kenyans here. Those chicks are from Uganda and Madagascar. Put up or shut up attitude? Those chicks are out there working trying to make a living. They do not have time to waste with games or pussyfooting. Either you want to fuck them or you don't. Please tell us where there is some guarantee on the health clearance side. We are fucking hookers. That is part of the risk. Hell, you can not even be guaranteed if you have only 1 partner. There are no logistics. Either take them to your place or tell them to take you to a short time hotel. You seem to be in your own way making excuses of why not to fuck.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2965433]I do not approve of this Synopsis.

3 days of going to Various Soi 6 bars. Talent is about as bad as it's ever been. Whole Lotta Ugly.[/QUOTE]Every newbie says soi 6 is full of hotties after his first visit.

After going there 2 or 3 times, they don't talk anymore about the place.

Dumb AZZ Korean.

Bar between Mods and 3 LOS Angeles.

Guy spot certified Hot Girl. A bit dark skin. Wanted to take her to Jannat or whatever, longtime. Girl say No unless she can bring a friend. That's double the cost. Korean dumbfounded starts negotiations till he realizes it's freaking Expensive.

Me would have figured Hit girl wanted NO part of me from the get go.

Out with some friends tonight. Glad I am not a gogo guy. You got to pay 2000 baht just to get someone's contact? And it explicitly states there is no barfine and the chicks are here to sell drinks.

That being said, my buddy does have a chick in his lap with her tits out and has been tonguing her down for about 1 minute. Some more shots just arrived in front of him.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2965549]Out with some friends tonight. Glad I am not a gogo guy. You got to pay 2000 baht just to get someone's contact? And it explicitly states there is no barfine and the chicks are here to sell drinks.

That being said, my buddy does have a chick in his lap with her tits out and has been tonguing her down for about 1 minute. Some more shots just arrived in front of him.[/QUOTE]Is it the one that just reopened in soi 6 a few weeks ago? Or the one in LK?

Typical gogos don't work like that. They've created a new format it seems.

Why would the person who filed a report on Agogo not put the name of the Agogo in the post? I cannot read anything from the low quality picture that was included in the post.

My understanding is that there is the bar fine that goes to the Agogo then a Short Time / Long Time price. For example: At Kink bar fine; 3000* Short Time /5000 Long Time. Windmill 2000 Bar Fine; 3000 Short Time /5000 Long Time.

[B]I understand how shocking that can be to a 1200 Long Time type of guy.[/B]

*All prices in THB.

I started the morning doing the Island tour and snorkeled a hour or two. Having gone the tourist thing and being encouraged by Mr. Entertaional (thank you!) I ventured on to the venues on soi 6 via the sites on Beach road. I have this thing for curvy black women so I was hoping to see them. I reached soi 6 around midnight and the place was hoping. I got solicitated a couple of times. But I wanted to scan the street and then choose one. What I found as I walked down the street was a lot of the girls would not make eye contact. What the hell. I even stood next to a group and the same cold shoulder once again. Okay I get I am probably being stereotyped or something. I even stood in front of a bar waived and I see some conversation going on and then no action. More of the same. Should have taken the first offer I guess. I took this BS for a couple of rounds and I get a 6 pull me inside the bar and start asking for a lady drink. I thought about it and passed. A man can only take so much rejection after he and his Baht need to leave. At 1 am I left and started walking toward Walking street via Beach Road. I finally see one I like. But before I could approach her she packs up with the rest of them and leaves. A couple of minutes later I see a squad of Cops going by. Wonder if that had something to do with it. Okay on to Walking street and all its drama.

I get one of the Russian barkers grab me by the arm and lead me to his strip joint. I get seated with a bear and watch the pole dancers. The Russian babes were on full display. But to my delight a really nice looking black chick was doing here thing next. Very nice. As my luck would have it, after her dance she packs up and leaves. Probably had to do something with it being around 3:00 AM. So now the Russian hotties are back on stage and this time after finishing, they are all approaching me for tips I slipped 100 B tips in there garters. I asked one of them what the bar fine was. And what she quoted me just floored me. It was 10,000 be. Thirty seconds later I left. These chicks are hot but not this hot. Oh well I was about to call it a night but Vitamin V would not let me go. As I am leaving I see a solid 8 in a white mini dress showing why she demands attention standing outside. Se proposed 3 k + 450 be hotel and as at this point I was getting concerned, I accepted. Exchanged see note and off we went Fon looked hot without her clothes. Before moving forward I confirmed she was not a lady boy. She asked for money up front. My spidey sense was tingling. Fortunately my spidey sense mis read her. Covered BJ, cowboy and doggy and that was all I needed. Just could not last, just the views finished me off with in 45 min. All I could say is that was finally nice to have a positive experience after the Soi 6 BS. All it took was searching for 4 hours to get it. After Fon I called it a day and walked to soi 9 via Beach road.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2965564]Is it the one that just reopened in soi 6 a few weeks ago? Or the one in LK?

Typical gogos don't work like that. They've created a new format it seems.[/QUOTE]Based on the photo based on my visit I would not be surprised it would happen.

Drink menu list either Dolls or Mamasans located in LK. Aside from visiting Play Girl, majority of GoGo 's visited on WS, a year ago asking partaking price was 2500/3500ST, the five I venture asking was 4000 for ST.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2965641]Based on the photo based on my visit I would not be surprised it would happen.

[b]Drink menu list either Dolls or Mamasans located in LK.[/b] [/QUOTE]It seems some board members may be using a low quality device to access the website or need to pay a visit to the closest Top Charoen. It is weird how some people can clearly read the picture, while others claim to not be able to make it out.

[QUOTE=Voyager1;2965640]What I found as I walked down the street was a lot of the girls would not make eye contact. What the hell. I even stood next to a group and the same cold shoulder once again.[/QUOTE]Why do you need them to make eye contact? Why not just go up and talk to them?

[QUOTE=Voyager1;2965640]I get [b]one of the Russian barkers grab me by the arm and lead me to his strip joint[/b]. I get seated with a bear and watch the pole dancers. The Russian babes were on full display. I asked one of them what the bar fine was. And what she quoted me just floored me. It was 10,000 be. Thirty seconds later I left.[/QUOTE]It has been reported many times before that those are somewhat clip joints for people who have had minimal contact with white chicks in their life. To some people they are seen as exotic and the price may be worth it to them for which seems to be the chance of a lifetime.

*Nobody is going to be trying to lead you to any place that is not going to be trying to rip you off! There are no touts out leading people to reputable places. They are out looking for suckers. Was the beer 400 baht?

We went upstairs in Kink and it was like 30 chicks to 1 guy. The chicks were just sitting there bored with no customers. My buddies were like this is supposed to be high season. They said that before there were plenty of good looking chicks in the club, but now there are minimal. One older Korean guy had bought his chick a drink and it looked like he was trying to fuck her on the edge of the stage. It was funny that everything he was trying to do she would rebuff him though. He tried tongue kissing her: she gave him a little peck. He tried sucking her tits that were out: she pushed his head away. One chick came over cozying up to me. When she finally popped the question and I said no, she shot over to the next dude before I could blink. He was all in for it.

We left there and went to another gogo. I was trying to get the chick who was sitting with me Line. She kept saying can not because the owner is right behind me. I finally said well you just say it and I will type it in. It is 9 am and she just hit me up. I thought these gogo chicks were all sleep at this time. I had another 1200 LT chick that just left at 7 though so I told her it would be better to see her on her day off. She said that she has the day off on the 9th so it is a date.

Last night she was telling me that in 10 days she has to get 60 lady drinks and she earns 12,000 baht. Lady drinks there were 170 I think, so that only adds up to 10,200. My buddies seem to think the model of paying all these chicks a bunch of money to sell drinks is not going to last.

[QUOTE=Voyager1;2965640]I started the morning doing the Island tour and snorkeled a hour or two. Having gone the tourist thing and being encouraged by Mr. Entertaional (thank you!) I ventured on to the venues on soi 6 via the sites on Beach road. I have this thing for curvy black women so I was hoping to see them. I reached soi 6 around midnight and the place was hoping. I got solicitated a couple of times. But I wanted to scan the street and then choose one. What I found as I walked down the street was a lot of the girls would not make eye contact. What the hell. I even stood next to a group and the same cold shoulder once again. Okay I get I am probably being stereotyped or something. I even stood in front of a bar waived and I see some conversation going on and then no action. More of the same. Should have taken the first offer I guess. I took this BS for a couple of rounds and I get a 6 pull me inside the bar and start asking for a lady drink. I thought about it and passed. A man can only take so much rejection after he and his Baht need to leave. At 1 am I left and started walking toward Walking street via Beach Road. I finally see one I like. But before I could approach her she packs up with the rest of them and leaves. A couple of minutes later I see a squad of Cops going by. Wonder if that had something to do with it. Okay on to Walking street and all its drama.

I get one of the Russian barkers grab me by the arm and lead me to his strip joint. I get seated with a bear and watch the pole dancers. The Russian babes were on full display. But to my delight a really nice looking black chick was doing here thing next. Very nice. As my luck would have it, after her dance she packs up and leaves. Probably had to do something with it being around 3:00 AM. So now the Russian hotties are back on stage and this time after finishing, they are all approaching me for tips I slipped 100 B tips in there garters. I asked one of them what the bar fine was. And what she quoted me just floored me. It was 10,000 be. Thirty seconds later I left. These chicks are hot but not this hot. Oh well I was about to call it a night but Vitamin V would not let me go. As I am leaving I see a solid 8 in a white mini dress showing why she demands attention standing outside. Se proposed 3 k + 450 be hotel and as at this point I was getting concerned, I accepted. Exchanged see note and off we went Fon looked hot without her clothes. Before moving forward I confirmed she was not a lady boy. She asked for money up front. My spidey sense was tingling. Fortunately my spidey sense mis read her. Covered BJ, cowboy and doggy and that was all I needed. Just could not last, just the views finished me off with in 45 min. All I could say is that was finally nice to have a positive experience after the Soi 6 BS. All it took was searching for 4 hours to get it. After Fon I called it a day and walked to soi 9 via Beach road.[/QUOTE]Are you black or dark-skinned Indian? If so, very few Thais will be interested.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2965641]Based on the photo based on my visit I would not be surprised it would happen.

Drink menu list either Dolls or Mamasans located in LK. Aside from visiting Play Girl, majority of GoGo 's visited on WS, a year ago asking partaking price was 2500/3500ST, the five I venture asking was 4000 for ST.[/QUOTE]The last time I was in Skyfall (that would be two months ago) with my friends the girl that sat down with me asked me to bar fine her and take out. I don't remember the price of the Lady Drinks (it is really chump change to me until it get up to the 20 mark). I don't remember the bar fine. But I do remember the asking price: 3000*. [B]Get the fuck![/B]. She was hot. Had a the body of a Latina. I wanted me some of that. But not for 3000 for short time. [B]Fuck that shit![/B].

I take my club girls in [U]Heaven Above[/U] for 2000 Short Time. Club Excite 500 BBBJCIM, 1000 Short Time; Lips Lounge 500 BBBJCIM, 1000 Short Time; Club Fate 1000 BBBJCIM; 1500 - 2000 Short Time.

*All prices in THB.

P.S. To the poster that suggested that I upgrade the electronics I use to access the internet. I plan to. I'm going to pick up a M4 Mac Mini (completely maxed out) and hook up two 32 inch Samsung Curved Monitors to it. Might help me see poorly focused and rendered pictures that are posted buy certain other member better. I am able to make this purchase because I am:

[QUOTE=Voyager1;2965640]I reached soi 6 around midnight and the place was hoping. I got solicitated a couple of times. But I wanted to scan the street and then choose one. What I found as I walked down the street was a lot of the girls would not make eye contact. What the hell. I even stood next to a group and the same cold shoulder once again. Okay I get I am probably being stereotyped or something. I even stood in front of a bar waived and I see some conversation going on and then no action. More of the same. Should have taken the first offer I guess. I took this BS for a couple of rounds and I get a 6 pull me inside the bar and start asking for a lady drink. I thought about it and passed. A man can only take so much rejection after he and his Baht need to leave. At 1 am I left and started walking toward Walking street via Beach Road.[/QUOTE]Going to soi6 to get some action at midnight is too late. You can still fuck some girls but most bars are closing at 1 am anyway, so you'll be rushed.

The girls start their shift at 15 or 16 o'clock, past midnight they're already tired, have been rejected too many times, had a few st already, are drunk. They don't give a fuck anymore.

Best time to go there is between 17 and 19 o'clock. Don't get offended if the one you like does not give a fuck about you, just try your luck with another one.

I wanted to check out GC clubs and so got my GPS and off I went to Heaven Above. My first impression was positive as one could actually have a conversation with fellow mongers without having to whisper in the years to drown out the background. Met up with a fellow monger from Iceland and compared notes for a while. The talent was pretty high. However the place is dark and I had a hard time reading the tags. I am not even sure some of them even had one. I never was able to confirm the rates after being there for a while. My friend guessed it was in the high 3 k. After finishing a beer my friend suggest we check out other places in LK. Apparently this fellow had visited Pattaya for several years and actually knew some of the club owners. He invited me to tag along to bar hope. What luck I actually had a guide on my hand. Awesome!. So he asked what I liked T or A. I told him T would be nice. Okay then we went to Queen Club. Upon entering the staff greeted him with somewhat of a celebrity status. We got sat next to the stage. Ordered a beer and started enjoying the views. Nice. Saw a couple of real spinners there. While my buddy and I are finishing one beer another pair show up. WTH? The waitress points to the manager and stated it was on the house. Now this has never happened to me. My buddy stated he knew the owner for over 8 years. Still I needed to get my fix and so after finishing here we parted company and I found myself back to rejection soi 6 again. Now today I must have had at least a dozen solicitation. What a difference a day makes. Although there were rejections but I would say there were more grabbing the hand to enter the bars. Maybe it was slow or not. Who knows. Any way I went up and down a couple of times checking out the talent. It was 2:00 AM now so I was about to leave when I got my hand grabbed by a 7 petite babe. A good looking set of see's and a nice A. Having pondered for about 3 sec I asked about the boom boom pricing and she tells me its up to me. Hmmm. Did not what to make of it first. So I went to the bar got her the lady drink for 220 and myself a water for 65 B. I had already had 3 beers and was not going for any more. Stated chatting her up and she showing her daughters pics. My goodness she looked so young for having an adult teen. I almost bolted here but then I thought most of the sessions I have had have been milfs. Okay then I asked about her rates again. She then asked what would I pay for short time which seems to be 1 hour. I told her that I am not sure what one can do for 1 hour as the last session barely lasted 30 min, especially when no massage is involved. She then tells me its 800 B for the room upstairs. I offered here 1000 B for the duration after convincing her that I would not last very long. She finally agreed and off to the room we went. Showered and then HJ and the my fav 69 with BBJ. Now here is what floored me. She then goes in cowboy while stating I do not have a condom and went bareback. WTF! I was terrified and exhilarated at the same time. Eventually terror ruled and I pulled out. Don't get me wrong if had no question about issues that might happen I would have really enjoyed the session. But this was on a whole other level. I am hoping I dodged a bullet here as I really do not need gifts that keep on giving. I am hoping the bar girls are at least better the freelancers in getting checked. Moving forward its obvious out here one need to carry condoms. A first after having mongered for over 20 years.

[QUOTE=Voyager1;2966007]Moving forward its obvious out here one need to carry condoms. A first after having mongered for over 20 years.[/QUOTE]You've been mongering for 20 years but never realized you should always bring your own condom?

That sound strange.

Plus the girl probably jacked up the price for the room, 800 is excessive in that soi. Normally it's between 400 and 500 bahts.

[QUOTE=Voyager1;2966007]She then tells me its 800 B for the room upstairs.[/QUOTE]I did not even know there was a thing as an 800 baht short time room in Pattaya. Most are 300 or 400.

[QUOTE=Voyager1;2966007]She finally agreed and off to the room we went. Showered and then HJ and the my fav 69 with BBJ. Now here is what floored me. She then goes in cowboy while stating I do not have a condom and went bareback. WTF![/QUOTE]Me and other posters have said this will happen 99% of the time in Pattaya, while others swear it needs to be negotiated in advance. I guess YMMV.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2965331]That's the hierarchy in mongering destinations all over the world today.[/QUOTE]I would put greens at the top of the list LOL.

You can get hotel rooms for the night for 500 - 650; If you want to jump up to the next level of comfort they run 800 - 1200. Now you don't have to pay the bar fine on premises. I have only paid 300 - 500 for a short time room on premise during the last 16 months I have been posted up here. If you are hiring a Princess standing under the Palm Trees to kiss your frog. There is the [U]Full Love Inn[/U] 250 short time room or hop in a bolt and head to the much nicer [U]Hotel Viva[/U]. Someone also referenced a short time hotel option off of Walking Street. I'd have to do a search to see if I can find the reference again.

*All numbers in THB.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2943559][b]At least Sub posts reports[/b]. Whether you love him or hate him, he contributes useful info.[/QUOTE]

I was feeling a bit ragged and decided to chill and check out the clubbing scene. At 10 pm I walked over to the Walking Street 808 club. It was open but did not look busy so I stood in front of the Candy bar and listening to live bands. To my amazement they were doing hip hop tunes from my town back home. The singer amazingly sounded like Miley Cyrus to a T. And then went into a set of 2 NE1 my absolutely favorite Korean Girl Band. So amazing. Any way at 11:00 I checked out the 808 and I was the only one in there. How in the hell does this place stay open with this level of people. I was hoping to run into Fon but did not see her till much later. Looking smoking hot as usual. It was getting late at around 2:30 as such, I know I would not have done well with her. So I went back to my room and popped vitamin V freshened up and ventured out to Beach Road to see if I could have some brown sugar before leaving this magical place. After a while a Kenyan latched on to me (yes a Kenyan) and used her very pleasant demeanor to woo me over. It was 3:00 am the wrong head was in charge. She was very pretty to look at. Alas without clothes off, this becomes a box of chocolate you never know what you will get. She asked for 1 k plus room and condom. I thought about it for 3 sec and decided WTH and decided to follow through to the nearby short term. And yes all of you are correct, I think the session yesterday I was overcharged for the room. I think she really wanted 1500 and when I offered 1 k she decided to improvise. I let it slide because at the time because Jr was running the show. This current place only charged 250 B+ 20 B for the condom. Very reasonable. So in the room the top comes off and it was obvious she was member of the sag club with a small tummy that was being restrained. On the pro side she was not a clock watcher and refreshingly easy to talk to. Started with a covered BJ and the Cowboy to end the session. But the optics really were not there and so could not release. Oh well it was not a matter of her not trying as she gave a really good effort. At this point it was 4:30 am and I called it day.

Overall I have really started to like these freelancers as they seem to be really down to earth, at least most of them. But the service level is better from the bars, at a higher price level of course. For 1 K I think I got my monies worth.

Okay I have a question from you guys.

If this was your last night in this magical kingdom where would you find a 8 or 9 for an appropriate exclamation mark? Would it be a Heavens Above bar fine or somewhere else? Thank you for your help in advance.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2965802]The last time I was in Skyfall (that would be two months ago) with my friends the girl that sat down with me asked me to bar fine her and take out. I don't remember the price of the Lady Drinks (it is really chump change to me until it get up to the 20 mark). I don't remember the bar fine. But I do remember the asking price: 3000*. [B]Get the fuck![/B]. She was hot. Had a the body of a Latina. I wanted me some of that. But not for 3000 for short time. [B]Fuck that shit![/B].

I take my club girls in [U]Heaven Above[/U] for 2000 Short Time. Club Excite 500 BBBJCIM, 1000 Short Time; Lips Lounge 500 BBBJCIM, 1000 Short Time; Club Fate 1000 BBBJCIM; 1500 - 2000 Short Time.

*All prices in THB.

P.S. To the poster that suggested that I upgrade the electronics I use to access the internet. I plan to. I'm going to pick up a M4 Mac Mini (completely maxed out) and hook up two 32 inch Samsung Curved Monitors to it. Might help me see poorly focused and rendered pictures that are posted buy certain other member better. I am able to make this purchase because I am:[/QUOTE]Maybe we are being discriminated or stereotype?

A group of old Asians we get good treatment at GoGs but seating can be tough in a group. I understand price vary in the month of visit to WS, every girl quoted was 4000 for ST, to individual in group it wasn't the money but the feel for the girls as to whether they will have a decent time.

I wasn't able to confirm the increase. In general 3000 to 4000 baht. Girls I know at places I normally will buy drinks to get updates were all with customers on my visit the interesting soon will be Bacarra where a girl went a year ago with friend 3000ST, 5000 LT now was asking 4000ST and a whopping increase to 7800 LT. Which went unanswered with a smile.

Skyfall group includes Farenhelt, Shark, all quoted us 4000 baht, Pinup, 79, Chicks, XS all the same. Most fun was Shark months back I went to it grand opening I found the lineup completely change from average to be the best out of many. One friend found his dream trophy 20, braces, all natural, knowing a few older ladies now waitresses brought my customary drinks another friend was taken with a waitress 51, look 35, former dancer even at her age never had a kid, married or a boyfriend, she not even a lesbian or like Toms. She found her dream BF friend paid her 2000 a day for 5 even for a waitress. We met the mamasan she had to agree to let waitress go for 5 days of course a generous tip was appreciate and drinks for her helped. To be honest I was flirting with the mamasan 51, I would have easily do her if she gave me the hint LOL.

I don't have a top phone all I did was enlarge the menu and there it appear the name of club, Vivo 9 , 4 G, 64 memory although I got a newer phone I never buy phones for myself L. Recently I got a new one for wife Vivo 40,12 G, 512 Memory I get her second hand Vivo 25.

We did hit Heaven Above twice, interesting place somewhat of a hybrid GoGo / GC I heard or reported here they had a ST room 500 baht girls 1000 baht but I never confirm although I did see an older one than caught my eye but she came off stage I saw she was taken. Most crowded place out of all places on Soi Boomerang, group we didn't get a good location to view I didn't find place to be dark one bit.

Top GC, still for me and group by far was Kinarree especially on Sat. For freelancer. You get a balance of old and young.

[QUOTE=Voyager1;2966135]Any way at 11:00 I checked out the 808 and I was the only one in there. How in the hell does this place stay open with this level of people.[/QUOTE]That is because discos do not get started until after midnight and some even after 3 am.

It is almost 10 am now and if you walked into a Thai club on Soi Kopai you would see there are people still there with music blasting and drunk mfs outside. My girl's daughter works at a restaurant that caters to the Thai club crowd and she does not even have to be at work until 3 am. She makes 10,000 baht / month with 2 days off. And this month the boss is only giving her 1 day off with no extra pay. Digressing.

If you had walked into a gogo at 8 pm or a bar at noon you would have the same question. You have to go to places at the right hours.

[QUOTE=Voyager1;2966135]I was feeling a bit ragged and decided to chill and check out the clubbing scene. At 10 pm I walked over to the Walking Street 808 club. It was open but did not look busy so I stood in front of the Candy bar and listening to live bands. To my amazement they were doing hip hop tunes from my town back home. The singer amazingly sounded like Miley Cyrus to a T. And then went into a set of 2 NE1 my absolutely favorite Korean Girl Band. So amazing. Any way at 11:00 I checked out the 808 and I was the only one in there. How in the hell does this place stay open with this level of people. I was hoping to run into Fon but did not see her till much later. Looking smoking hot as usual. It was getting late at around 2:30 as such, I know I would not have done well with her. So I went back to my room and popped vitamin V freshened up and ventured out to Beach Road to see if I could have some brown sugar before leaving this magical place. After a while a Kenyan latched on to me (yes a Kenyan) and used her very pleasant demeanor to woo me over. It was 3:00 am the wrong head was in charge. She was very pretty to look at. Alas without clothes off, this becomes a box of chocolate you never know what you will get. She asked for 1 k plus room and condom. I thought about it for 3 sec and decided WTH and decided to follow through to the nearby short term. And yes all of you are correct, I think the session yesterday I was overcharged for the room. I think she really wanted 1500 and when I offered 1 k she decided to improvise. I let it slide because at the time because Jr was running the show. This current place only charged 250 B+ 20 B for the condom. Very reasonable. So in the room the top comes off and it was obvious she was member of the sag club with a small tummy that was being restrained. On the pro side she was not a clock watcher and refreshingly easy to talk to. Started with a covered BJ and the Cowboy to end the session. But the optics really were not there and so could not release. Oh well it was not a matter of her not trying as she gave a really good effort. At this point it was 4:30 am and I called it day.

Overall I have really started to like these freelancers as they seem to be really down to earth, at least most of them. But the service level is better from the bars, at a higher price level of course. For 1 K I think I got my monies worth.

Okay I have a question from you guys.

If this was your last night in this magical kingdom where would you find a 8 or 9 for an appropriate exclamation mark? Would it be a Heavens Above bar fine or somewhere else? Thank you for your help in advance.[/QUOTE]I hate the SAG. 1,000 baht is Red flag bro. She in desperation mode.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2965975]Going to soi6 to get some action at midnight is too late. You can still fuck some girls but most bars are closing at 1 am anyway, so you'll be rushed.

The girls start their shift at 15 or 16 o'clock, past midnight they're already tired, have been rejected too many times, had a few st already, are drunk. They don't give a fuck anymore.

Best time to go there is between 17 and 19 o'clock. Don't get offended if the one you like does not give a fuck about you, just try your luck with another one.[/QUOTE]Seems the Korean s are taking best available girl. I see them drinking with Homely Girls aka Ugly.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2966018]I did not even know there was a thing as an 800 baht short time room in Pattaya. Most are 300 or 400.

Me and other posters have said this will happen 99% of the time in Pattaya, while others swear it needs to be negotiated in advance. I guess YMMV.[/QUOTE]From my dozens of boots-on-the-ground observations over the years up until about 6 months ago and the YouTube videos I have seen of Soi 6. Walking Street, Beach Road, LK Metro, Massage Shops, Gentlemens Clubs and so on in Pattaya, I would say 99% is a realistic estimate of the percentage of ladies who appear to me could not afford to hesitate, resist, deny, balk, re-negotiate or flat-out refuse anything in the room with any of the stray customers who might ever take them and still earn a basic survival living. Including BBFS, BBFSCIP and probably even BB Anal Cum Inside.

Actually, in my few research missions where I mentioned BBFSCIP upfront with one those 99% ladies, they indeed agreed to it upfront. Although I never took one of them to find out what would really happen in the room. My prediction was I would have to go through so many mental gymnastics just to get it up and in with the ladies, if there was any finish at all it would not have been worth the time, energy and money.

But, as you say, YMMV.

It is that additional 1% among them who have no problem making a fine living and then some from men throwing baht at them for covered everything that one would do well to get an upfront agreement from for BBFSCIP. They are the ones who can afford to and easily will balk, resist, deny, argue and walk out with no money at all from anyone they choose unless it has been well-negotiated upfront. And possibly not even then.

To be fair, the percentage of No Discussion BBFSCIP ladies in Bangkok probably top out at about 85% with that objectively truly desirable and fuckable 15% being the ones one would be wise to negotiate with about it upfront.

16 months posted up in Pattaya. My personal experience is 50% BBFSCIP. Of that maybe 5% ask me to cum outside. I do not fight the condom. If a girl asks for it then I use it. I can fuck anything and my [B]Big Black Dick[/B] works anytime, all the time and under all conditions.

I have found that the Princesses standing under the Palm trees to be the most strict when it comes to condom usage. Often asking for it up front. Never done one of them without it. Would not want to. Freelancers off of Thai Friend will ask for it in the initial negotiations some girls don't. In the gentleman's clubs I frequent some girls ask for it and some girls don't. Never had BBFS in a naughty massage place. Often girls that I repeat with drop the condom request on the second or third visit. I have never had a problem inside of the room. Because my dick works just fine and if they want to use a condom I have ones that I know work for me and I use it. Remember gentlemen it is just about personal preferences. Not judgements of the actions of others.

[B]What's up with that?[/B]

So I've been branching out recently as usually I spend most of my nights in Queens club but with is now being high season and also the weekend I don't want to spend a lot of time in there as it's one of the few places on LK that actually draws a crowd and I don't like it when it's packed. So Friday night me and a buddy went to 808 around 0330 and it was mostly empty which I like as I enjoy moving around and being about to see the chicks in the club.

I did go out tonight but not for long as I wanted to be back in the room to watch the college football conference championship games. First stop Queens it was packed so didn't stay long I noticed a lot of the better ladies I normally see there haven't been around I'm going sponsor or boyfriends are in town so there taking some time away. I went to Las Vegas agogo saw no talent. Went to Top gun gogo horrible. Then I went for the first time to club excite the 500 baht BBBJCIM review hand me interested. It's funny I've lived here for going on 3 years and perviously to that stayed at pplus but just never bothered to walk in did tonight and it was worth it. One thing though they charged me 500 for the girl and 300 to the club even though we just used the couches is that right.

Got in some action in Pattaya before flying back home to 'murica.

Honey 2 - Picked 155 one day and 9 next day. Both beauty knockouts, 155 was 4000 baht and 9 at 6600 baht. This place sucks if you nut too fast, only one shot and you're out the door. Neither wanted to perform DATY but 9 relented for a bit, 155 flat out said no. It was impossible to hold for any more than a minute inside them and with a very limited menu, I just gave up. You can stop the thrusting but the grip on your the doesn't stop, you're finishing whether you like it or not. I regret giving 155 a 200 baht tip when she asked for it, great personality but service was mediocre, I'm a sucker and can't draw my boundaries.

Heaven Above. Tightly packed bar and lounge. Lots of average looking girls, I only kept an eye on the 2 hours sitting there. Took one up stairs for a 3000 baht and 500 baht room. Good looking but not comparable to the ones at Honey 2. Service was the best of the days I had in Pattaya. DFK, DATY, 2 shots, and let me leave some bruises on her neck all within the hour.

All three girls are visiting from Isan.

Back to sad 'ol home. You're lucky not to get robbed at $150 for a 5 min quickie. Good service starts at $500/ HR. I'd do a $88 session with Pattaya girl #3 all day everyday.

[QUOTE=TravelingMan3;2966287]Then I went for the first time to club excite the 500 baht BBBJCIM review hand me interested. It's funny I've lived here for going on 3 years and perviously to that stayed at pplus but just never bothered to walk in did tonight and it was worth it. [b]One thing though they charged me 500 for the girl and 300 to the club even though we just used the couches is that right.[/b][/QUOTE][B]This is correct![/B]

That is why the girls I go with always suggest that we wait until a room opens up upstairs (there are only two) because it is the exact same price and is much more comfortable with a bed and and shower inside the room. I do all my sessions in [U]Club Excite[/U] in the rooms upstairs.

500 BBBJCIM; 1000ST Boom Boom; 300 Curtain or Room;.

*All numbers in THB.

[QUOTE=BeachDrone;2966206]And I agree about Sub. He and EverythingThai give a lot of useful information.[/QUOTE]PRO TIP: Check out [U]Bake and Brew[/U] between 0800 - 1700 for excellent food on the same street. Also [U]Kings Club[/U] at the end of the same street across the street on 3rd.

You can learn a lot from a newbie. [B]ROTFLMAO[/B]!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2965659]
Last night she was telling me that in 10 days she has to get 60 lady drinks and she earns 12,000 baht. Lady drinks there were 170 I think, so that only adds up to 10,200. My buddies seem to think the model of paying all these chicks a bunch of money to sell drinks is not going to last.[/QUOTE]Her customers are also buying drinks for themselves, so in the end the bar makes a profit.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2966423]Her customers are also buying drinks for themselves, so in the end the bar makes a profit.[/QUOTE]Customer drinks contribute to pay drinks themselves, general costs, unproductive staff (cashiers, service) and the.... fixed salary of the hostesses. Only after that management / owner revenue goes in their pockets. I am not saying all runs on loss, but it's not always as shiny as it looks.

Whilst there are girls getting barfines every night, and sometime more, there are some who gets one or two a week.

Otherwise bars will be empty at all times, as the BF rotation won't be fast enough to secure a sufficient number of girls is in the bar to produce drinks.

Somebody running a bar in Samui told me that average 50% of the girls is out on barfines. The remaining 50%, most likely, won't get a barfine that night. Or just a very few.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2966170]99% going bareback without discussion seems totally plausible to me.[/QUOTE]I don't see that, it's closer to 50% but that's all girls, TF girls are more likely to go BB but in bars, clubs etc it's far fewer. Still I have seen that more girls are willing to go bb than they used to, ten years ago it was very hard to find a girl that would.

So yes, YMMV. And in a week I can test this again.

[QUOTE=TravelingMan3;2966287]Then I went for the first time to club excite the 500 baht BBBJCIM review hand me interested. It's funny I've lived here for going on 3 years and perviously to that stayed at pplus but just never bothered to walk in did tonight and it was worth it. One thing though they charged me 500 for the girl and 300 to the club even though we just used the couches is that right.[/QUOTE]That sounds right. I got a soda water along with it and gave the chick an even 1000.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2966436]I don't see that, it's closer to 50% but that's all girls, TF girls are more likely to go BB but in bars, clubs etc it's far fewer. Still I have seen that more girls are willing to go bb than they used to, ten years ago it was very hard to find a girl that would.

So yes, YMMV. And in a week I can test this again.[/QUOTE]The idea that 99% of girls here in Pattaya will go bareback is absurd based on personal experience. I think it is the opposite. Most girls will insist on condoms. Unlike the Philippines, the girls in Thailand are aware of the risk of barebacking and the managers also inform them that customers should use condoms due to the risk of STDs which is bad for business because it takes the girl out of work for a week or more.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2966558]The idea that 99% of girls here in Pattaya will go bareback is absurd based on personal experience. I think it is the opposite. Most girls will insist on condoms. Unlike the Philippines, the girls in Thailand are aware of the risk of barebacking and the managers also inform them that customers should use condoms due to the risk of STDs which is bad for business because it takes the girl out of work for a week or more.[/QUOTE]Man I think the entire world is aware of the risks of barebacking (disease & unplanned pregnancy) the same as they are aware of the risks of touching the hot eye on the stove. But here we are in 2024 with diseases and bastard kids in a majority of the planet, but not tons of people walking around with burnt fingertips! And that has always been the case. Being aware of risks has never stopped anyone from doing anything. Humans are going to human.

After living here 16 years, 99% is my experience. (Once again YMMV as with anything else in life. Like the noted economist Thomas Sowell says, equal opportunity does not guarantee equal outcome.) I have fucked so many chicks here that there are chicks I fucked the second time not remembering I fucked them the first time.

Just last week I stayed at this chick's place who works the night shift at one of the LK hotels. A couple of days later me and some friends were at steak night at iRovers and I was going through some old pictures in my phone. I see one from the beginning of last year that looked like the chick whose place I stayed at. I flipped back to her pics from the other day. I think it is the same person. Then I think the place she stayed is the same place I picked her up from last year. What the fuck. It was her. I hit her up and asked why she did not tell me it was her.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2966558]The idea that 99% of girls here in Pattaya will go bareback is absurd based on personal experience. I think it is the opposite. Most girls will insist on condoms. Unlike the Philippines, the girls in Thailand are aware of the risk of barebacking and the managers also inform them that customers should use condoms due to the risk of STDs which is bad for business because it takes the girl out of work for a week or more.[/QUOTE][B]Thank you my brother for bringing the voice of reason into the light of day![/B]

Oppa Bar. Cheap rent side of Soi 6.

Hottest luk kreung I ever saw. Body smoking hot. Nose kinda excessive but on her looks good.

Lots of Tattoos. Very aggressive to Rich Korean s as they walk by.

Hot Body. Whoa.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2966558]The idea that 99% of girls here in Pattaya will go bareback is absurd based on personal experience. I think it is the opposite. Most girls will insist on condoms.[/QUOTE]The topic pops up every few months with always the same people saying they've never met a girl asking for a condom despite living there for years.

Strangely enough, we are quite a few to have met plenty of girls insisting on the use of condoms.

Not been in Pattaya for a few years but looking to visit in April. Is this Club Excite also known as Excite Club near tree Town? It sounds like just the sort of place I would enjoy for a no muss no fuss way to get off without any bargaining, BS and room rental. TIA for any local info.

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2966700]Not been in Pattaya for a few years but looking to visit in April. Is this Club Excite also known as Excite Club near tree Town? It sounds like just the sort of place I would enjoy for a no muss no fuss way to get off without any bargaining, BS and room rental. TIA for any local info.[/QUOTE]The Club Excite I reviewed is located here:

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/miZ7oUVdFscg9mEj6[/URL]

I was not ready to sleep yet, so I went deep into my contacts and pulled out a Madagascar chick that I have been putting off. She tried to get me for 2000 short time, but I told her there would be none of that. 1000. Then she tried to get me for 200 more for transpo but I told her I would come get her. It was 2 am.

We got back to my crib and she was in fuck mode. She asked me where I was from because I was speaking to her in French. I said I'm not just a player; I'm an international player. This is not the type of chick if you want someone to chill with. She does not do any chillin. You must be ready to fuck. She walked through the door taking her clothes off. Then she went to take a shower and came back and laid across the bed bucket nekkit. I joked with her about a tattoo on her ass that says Philippe. She said he is her ex in Madagascar. I told her let me go take a shower then.

I came back and got in the bed. She took one look at my dick and stuffed it down her throat. Woo woo woo. This chick was a fucking machine. All I could think was that she has for sure made some pornos along the way. The way she was popping that pussy and moving that ass. I told her Philippe must have been a fool to let her go.

I dropped her back off at 3:30 am. On the ride I remembered a rubber stamp that I had made like 10 years ago that says Mr Enternational hit this! I used to stamp it on chicks' asses and take a picture. This was the perfect chick to do that to. But I was thinking that mf is probably dried out and rotted by now. Looks like it could use a new ink pad, but it is still intact.

Cheers Subcmdr. That's what I saw on google maps but nice to have confirmation.

I had heard Walking Street agogos had the youngest and cutest girls. In particular, the most expensive clubs like XS and Pinup. I had been to XS once before, last year, and that night was definitely better than a typical night at Billboard in Nana Plaza, Bangkok. This time, I hit both XS and Pinup. The lineups were ok, and I'the say 20% were fuckable by my standards. The rules were you had to buy a set of 5 lady drinks (at about 250 b each) to pull a girl off stage. Or you could buy one and wait for her dance shift to end, in 15 minutes or so, and she would come sit with you. I didn't barfine / ST any of them. I was just a bit disappointed by the selection in both places, just no stunners in my opinion. And it took a long time, like 30-45 minutes before you could see all the girls rotate through your view. So for the 2 clubs, it was about an hour and a half to see the 200 girls. At least they all spent a part of the time topless, that was nice.

The next day, I hit Soi 6 in the mid afternoon. I walked the whole strip in 15 minutes, dodging traffic the whole time. I should have worn sunglasses to avoid unwanted eye contact. In that time, I probably saw over 200 girls. There were definitely some uglies, but there were some 20 yo cuties too. From reading this forum and others, I had been led to believe that XS / Pinup had much hotter girls than Soi 6, and that's why the prices were so different. But clearly I was wrong, in that 15-minute survey, I saw as many cuties as I had seen the night before at the agogos. So then I doubled back and stopped at Kawaii where I had seen a few 7+ girls in Sailor Moon outfits.

I walked in and ordered a drink, as the only guy in the place. I thought I would get a ton of attention, but actually all the girls ignored me for a few minutes until the mamasan rang a bell for them to line up. I chose three of them and chatted with them and played Connect 4. I learned their ages: 18,21, 26. I also learned that Nightwish assigns new girls to bars, so there’s no use trying to guess where the newest and young girls are going to be. After the game, I asked mamasan about the upstairs room price: it was 400 b. So I paid my bill (400 for drinks and 400 for the room), and took the 18 upstairs. The room was less dirty than I imagined. The bed covering was gross, but we got 2 large towels that covered a good part of it. She told me short time price was 2000, so the total damage was only 2800. I had forgotten to bring a cover, so she stepped out and got one for me for free.

All in all, I had a better experience at Soi 6, and much better than I had expected. I got to see hundreds of girls in 15 minutes, under daylight, and picked an 18 yo stunner for under 3 k all-in, including drinks and Connect 4.

One other option I found on my last trip was to use doxycycline. It's used to prevent most STDs, but not HIV. You take 1 pill after the deed. Most street pharmacies sell it by the pill or by packs. I think 5 cost me 200 baht. Twice when a girl asked for condom I showed her the doxy and told her what it was and both agreed BBFS. One even asked for a pill for herself!

However, as SubCommander says, if the girl asks for cover anyway, I always obey. Make the girl happy and she'll make you happy.

Nice report.

What's her name or ThaiFriendly ID?

Merci bcp

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2966817]I was not ready to sleep yet, so I went deep into my contacts and pulled out a Madagascar chick that I have been putting off. She tried to get me for 2000 short time, but I told her there would be none of that. 1000. Then she tried to get me for 200 more for transpo but I told her I would come get her. It was 2 am.

We got back to my crib and she was in fuck mode. She asked me where I was from because I was speaking to her in French. I said I'm not just a player; I'm an international player. This is not the type of chick if you want someone to chill with. She does not do any chillin. You must be ready to fuck. She walked through the door taking her clothes off. Then she went to take a shower and came back and laid across the bed bucket nekkit. I joked with her about a tattoo on her ass that says Philippe. She said he is her ex in Madagascar. I told her let me go take a shower then.

I came back and got in the bed. She took one look at my dick and stuffed it down her throat. Woo woo woo. This chick was a fucking machine. All I could think was that she has for sure made some pornos along the way. The way she was popping that pussy and moving that ass. I told her Philippe must have been a fool to let her go.

I dropped her back off at 3:30 am. On the ride I remembered a rubber stamp that I had made like 10 years ago that says Mr Enternational hit this! I used to stamp it on chicks' asses and take a picture. This was the perfect chick to do that to. But I was thinking that mf is probably dried out and rotted by now. Looks like it could use a new ink pad, but it is still intact.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ucgdx;2966946] She told me short time price was 2000, so the total damage was only 2800. I had forgotten to bring a cover, so she stepped out and got one for me for free.

All in all, I had a better experience at Soi 6, and much better than I had expected. I got to see hundreds of girls in 15 minutes, under daylight, and picked an 18 yo stunner for under 3 k all-in, including drinks and Connect 4.[/QUOTE]Only 2800 baht? You paid around what is a weeks salary in Thailand for one session.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2967075]Only 2800 baht? You paid around what is a weeks salary in Thailand for one session.[/QUOTE]Prostitute s get paid more. Have seen what our Angry BBC looks like. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2967075]Only 2800 baht? You paid around what is a weeks salary in Thailand for one session.[/QUOTE]These ladies are clearly trying to get paid for sex with Thai men in Pattaya. There is no point in posting this stuff here if you are not going to provide reports of your experiences.

A large number of Thai ladies in Pattaya who pay for men, so the pay scale for Thai doesn't apply to Farangs. Of course, the ladies don't pay fee for service for Thai men, they just "lend" them money which never gets paid back. And sometimes if they don't lend, they get beaten (in case when they say they have no money, but the boyfriend knows they have been with a customer. If you see a lady in a Gentlemen's club wearing pants or long sleeves, it's to cover up bruises. If she gets naked, she will have a story about falling down.

[QUOTE=MikeNm;2966986]One other option I found on my last trip was to use doxycycline. It's used to prevent most STDs, but not HIV. You take 1 pill after the deed. Most street pharmacies sell it by the pill or by packs. I think 5 cost me 200 baht.......[/QUOTE]I read where doxycycline may cause antibiotic resistance. This means that your infection won't respond to doxycycline or other antibiotics in the future.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2967075]Only 2800 baht? You paid around what is a weeks salary in Thailand for one session.[/QUOTE]Yeah but you know the mindset is "back home I pay xxxxx".

But no worries he won't ruin the market for other mongers by paying these prices. Its already ruined beyond repair for a number of years IMHO.

The pussy market in Pattaya is not AMM or order book style. The reality is that all deals that are made are self reported and anecdotal. Talk of the market being ruined by a price someone else considers an outlier shows absolutely no understanding of macro economics or markets.

[QUOTE=Buck011;2967231]Yeah but you know the mindset is "back home I pay xxxxx".

But no worries he won't ruin the market for other mongers by paying these prices. Its already ruined beyond repair for a number of years IMHO.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2967075]Only 2800 baht? You paid around what is a weeks salary in Thailand for one session.[/QUOTE]How much should he have paid in your mind? How much would you have paid? Better yet, how much have you actually paid to hire a prostitute in Thailand.

[B]RajRaj[/B], feel free to respond to this question also. Along with your experiences in Top Tier Agogos on Walking Street.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2967128]These ladies are clearly trying to get paid for sex with Thai men in Pattaya. [b]There is no point in posting this stuff here if you are not going to provide reports of your experiences.[/b][/QUOTE]Exactly. We share a rare point of agreement.

The most I have paid in the 17 months of being posted up here in Pattaya is 2000* for a [U]Short Time[/U] with a prostitute I hired off of Thai Friendly. Most are 1000 - 1200. The most expensive [U]Short Time[/U] I have done in a gentleman's club is 2000 (plus room and Lady Drinks of course). The most I have paid for full service massage (1 hour oil massage, suck and boom boom) is 1500.

[B]Your time; Your money; Your dick; Your call![/B]

*All numbers in THB.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2967224]I read where doxycycline may cause antibiotic resistance. This means that your infection won't respond to doxycycline or other antibiotics in the future.[/QUOTE]Got a source for that?

I don't believe it. And that's not me saying it's the US CDC, there are ongoing studies but the ones so far have shown no correlation between use of preventive doxycycline and microbial resistance.

[QUOTE=Buck011;2967231]Yeah but you know the mindset is "back home I pay xxxxx".

But no worries he won't ruin the market for other mongers by paying these prices. Its already ruined beyond repair for a number of years IMHO.[/QUOTE]He didn't overpay, that's the price most girls are asking at this period. He could have attempted to negotiate her personnal fee though, and get a 500 baht discount at best.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2967330]He didn't overpay, that's the price most girls are asking at this period. He could have attempted to negotiate her personnal fee though, and get a 500 baht discount at best.[/QUOTE]40 drinks is Overpay. And then the pay for SEX. LOL.

Lucky the girl felt sorry and did not Rape him on the Sex fee, I forget the Details.

On Tuesday I got quoted by a random dark skin 28 year old. Average at best.

1,500 baht. Fair price.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2967330]He didn't overpay, that's the price most girls are asking at this period. He could have attempted to negotiate her personnal fee though, and get a 500 baht discount at best.[/QUOTE]Well they can "ask" for anything. Not at all "at best". I was on the 6 2 nights ago. All of those chicks were telling me 2000 when I asked how much for boom boom. When I told them bullshit 1000, all (except 1) started giggling. The outlier chick stomped off and the others were like let's go.

[QUOTE=Intrepid123;2967317]Got a source for that?

I don't believe it. And that's not me saying it's the US CDC, there are ongoing studies but the ones so far have shown no correlation between use of preventive doxycycline and microbial resistance.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.sfaf.org/collections/beta/drug-resistance-and-doxy-pep-should-we-worry/[/URL]

Be careful out there.

So I went out again tonight. I'm already back in the condo at 2230 because there is a good NFL game tomorrow want to make sure I'm up tomorrow to watch it. Wanted to change it up so went to walking street usually I do not go there if I do it's only to go to the clubs. First stop was XS it was good saw some pretty chicks here there at thin a the very least. Only saw one chubby one so that's good. What crazy is they are paying 2000 baht per day for these chicks as I have a friend that works here that previously work at another gogo that was making only 1500 a night. Then I went to Fahrenheit quality is way down here from the last time I went there may have been some good ones here but I didn't say long enough to find out.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2967350]Well they can "ask" for anything. Not at all "at best". I was on the 6 2 nights ago. All of those chicks were telling me 2000 when I asked how much for boom boom. When I told them bullshit 1000, all (except 1) started giggling. The outlier chick stomped off and the others were like let's go.[/QUOTE]Were these chicks 18 years old too? From that picture they seem more like 30 up.

OP said the chick he took upstairs was 18. In my experience, every girls from soi6 stating they were 18 asked me 2000 or up, and not even a single one decided to go anything lower than 2000.

In fact I could never bang any soi6 18 year old girl as they were never up to any negotiation and I always walked away from that price.

There are many posters who make claims about about doing this or that. Negotiating something is not closing the deal. Someone says I paid 2000 THB. Aways going to be someone posting up in here saying [I]I asked the same girl and she said 1000[/I]. [B]Did you fuck?[/B]. Then it is just talk. It's like telling someone you paid 50 for something. I just got back from window shopping and browsing in the store and saw it for 25.

40 drinks is not too much. Unless you are suffering from severe resource scarcity or you are simply just cheap as fuck. I am not one that worries about what another man is doing with his money or his dick. If you want to be cheap as fuck (and many of you are) why don't you keep your opinions on what others are paying to yourself instead. You are just making yourselves look like what you really are: [B]International Tricks[/B] that have no flow support your stack. Report on what you are actually paying and doing with your dick.

There are always going to be people who think they are better off because they paid less than the people in 1st Class on the plane when they are sitting in the back of the plane in cattle class next to the stankin bathroom.

[B]ROTFLMAO![/B]

The majority of prostitutes I hire in Pattaya are asking for 1000 to 2000 THB for short time. [B]Full Stop![/B].

[QUOTE=TravelingMan3;2967404]So I went out again tonight. I'm already back in the condo at 2230 because there is a good NFL game tomorrow want to make sure I'm up tomorrow to watch it. Wanted to change it up so went to walking street usually I do not go there if I do it's only to go to the clubs. First stop was XS it was good saw some pretty chicks here there at thin a the very least. Only saw one chubby one so that's good. What crazy is they are paying 2000 baht per day for these chicks as I have a friend that works here that previously work at another gogo that was making only 1500 a night. Then I went to Fahrenheit quality is way down here from the last time I went there may have been some good ones here but I didn't say long enough to find out.[/QUOTE]Time 4 a soi 6 pricing primer again.

1,500-2 k- depending.

1,000 -1,200. Depending how Ugly you OK with.

Not Complex.

No way is Fahrenheit paying $60. After all is said and done most Girls getting Nothing.

Few customers means no one is meeting quotas. I bet most don't even get 1 drink bought.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2967418]Were these chicks 18 years old too? From that picture they seem more like 30 up.

OP said the chick he took upstairs was 18. In my experience, every girls from soi6 stating they were 18 asked me 2000 or up, and not even a single one decided to go anything lower than 2000.

In fact I could never bang any soi6 18 year old girl as they were never up to any negotiation and I always walked away from that price.[/QUOTE]I do not ask ages, but I do know they are supposed to be 20 to be working there.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2967350]Well they can "ask" for anything. Not at all "at best". I was on the 6 2 nights ago. All of those chicks were telling me 2000 when I asked how much for boom boom. When I told them bullshit 1000, all (except 1) started giggling. The outlier chick stomped off and the others were like let's go.[/QUOTE]Aha, so if I understand you correctly then you paid 1000 to most girls?

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2967474]No way is Fahrenheit paying $60. After all is said and done most Girls getting Nothing.

Few customers means no one is meeting quotas. I bet most don't even get 1 drink bought.[/QUOTE]I walked past Fahrenheit around ten days ago and spotted one of their door girls was a girl I fucked a few months ago on soi 6 for 1000 bahts (she was in her late twenties).

It seems they have a hard time finding new recruits.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2967484]I do not ask ages, but I do know they are supposed to be 20 to be working there.[/QUOTE]They are also all supposed to be Thai nationals, while we all know there are Lao and Cambodian girls working there.

The same goes for the age, they say nobody under 20 is allowed to enter the place, but many girls are talking the truth, and are indeed 18.

These are one of a kind, in my experience they are the most inflexible girls in the soi. It's always take it or leave with these girls.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2967558]I walked past Fahrenheit around ten days ago and spotted one of their door girls was a girl I fucked a few months ago on soi 6 for 1000 bahts (she was in her late twenties).

It seems they have a hard time finding new recruits.[/QUOTE]It's the same every High Season. The bars are all desperately looking for new girls.

Doxycycline sounds like a good idea.

HOW ABOUT PrEP? Is that available in pharmacies in Pattaya? I think preventing HIV has to be priority number 1.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=MikeNm;2966986]One other option I found on my last trip was to use doxycycline. It's used to prevent most STDs, but not HIV. You take 1 pill after the deed. Most street pharmacies sell it by the pill or by packs. I think 5 cost me 200 baht. Twice when a girl asked for condom I showed her the doxy and told her what it was and both agreed BBFS. One even asked for a pill for herself!

However, as SubCommander says, if the girl asks for cover anyway, I always obey. Make the girl happy and she'll make you happy.[/QUOTE]

[U]Soi 6[/U]

If you are going to judge the attractiveness of a prostitute by how much they charge, why don't individuals who have something to say about 1000 - 1200* price range simply only hire prostitutes that are charging 2000 and up. Using the logic of some posters up in here means the OP who paid 3000 to hire his prostitute had a very attractive one. Using that logic there is absolutely no upwards limit one should be willing to pay if your goal is the hire the most attractive prostitutes available.

[B]Does anyone else have problems with this line of thinking[/B]?

The only people talking about how much others pay are those that don't have any flow to stack and therefore they are envious of those [B]International Tricks[/B] among us that can pay for what we want and what we find attractive.

[B]My time; My money; My dick; My call![/B]

*All prices in THB.

[QUOTE=Ucgdx;2966946]She told me short time price was 2000, so the total damage was only 2800. I had forgotten to bring a cover, so she stepped out and got one for me for free.

All in all, I had a better experience at Soi 6, and much better than I had expected. I got to see hundreds of girls in 15 minutes, under daylight, and picked an 18 yo stunner for under 3 k all-in, including drinks and Connect 4.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2967589]Doxycycline sounds like a good idea.

HOW ABOUT PrEP? Is that available in pharmacies in Pattaya? I think preventing HIV has to be priority number 1.

Thanks.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.pulse-clinic.com/prep-in-pattaya[/URL]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2967235]The pussy market in Pattaya is not AMM or order book style. The reality is that all deals that are made are self reported and anecdotal. Talk of the market being ruined by a price someone else considers an outlier shows absolutely no understanding of macro economics or markets.[/QUOTE]I am overwhelmed by the sheer amount of your knowledge.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2967330]He didn't overpay, that's the price most girls are asking at this period. He could have attempted to negotiate her personnal fee though, and get a 500 baht discount at best.[/QUOTE]Sad reality.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2967350]Well they can "ask" for anything. Not at all "at best". I was on the 6 2 nights ago. All of those chicks were telling me 2000 when I asked how much for boom boom. When I told them bullshit 1000, all (except 1) started giggling. The outlier chick stomped off and the others were like let's go.[/QUOTE]I basically never felt that I must have some particular chick and pay whatever she is asking for. That gives some leverage. She can quote me whatever she wants but I have my limits if she won't budge I don't care. The next one will accept. At the end its a business transaction. I try to get the best goods for the least amount of money.

[QUOTE=Buck011;2967729]I am overwhelmed by the sheer amount of your knowledge.[/QUOTE]I know. Look at your post count and look at mine. Besides one of your posts got deleted in the Philippines thread. Did it not?

Now how about telling us about how much you pay for your prostitutes in Pattaya, instead of just talking about what another grown man is doing with his hard earned money.

[QUOTE=Buck011;2967735]I basically never felt that I must have some particular chick and pay whatever she is asking for. That gives some leverage. She can quote me whatever she wants but I have my limits if she won't budge I don't care. The next one will accept. At the end its a business transaction. I try to get the best goods for the least amount of money.[/QUOTE]Slavery ended a while ago. You are not buying a person (good) you are buying services from a prostitute. Some of use prefer to pay for the best experience. Those of us not suffering from severe resource scarcity understand that some experiences are priceless and we are willing to pay for them.

Should not ruin your market as I doubt we shop in the same places. No doubt you were a fan of the [I]Blue Light[/I] specials in Kmart. [B]ROTFLMAO[/B]. I'm different, think [B]Nordstroms[/B]!

If you are worried about overpaying for bar girls, don't come to Pattaya during High Season.

If you come in Low Season, starting May 1, you will find many ladies willing to go ST for small money.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2967604][U]Soi 6[/U]

If you are going to judge the attractiveness of a prostitute by how much they charge, why don't individuals who have something to say about 1000 - 1200* price range simply only hire prostitutes that are charging 2000 and up. Using the logic of some posters up in here means the OP who paid 3000 to hire his prostitute had a very attractive one. Using that logic there is absolutely no upwards limit one should be willing to pay if your goal is the hire the most attractive prostitutes available.

[B]Does anyone else have problems with this line of thinking[/B]?

The only people talking about how much others pay are those that don't have any flow to stack and therefore they are envious of those [B]International Tricks[/B] among us that can pay for what we want and what we find attractive.

[B]My time; My money; My dick; My call![/B]

*All prices in THB.[/QUOTE]1,000-1,200. By definition are bottom of Barrel.

Paying more doesn't mean better than bottom of the Barrel. Hahaha. I've seen bottom of the Barrel girls get 3,000. USUALLY parang after their little issarn dark monkey.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2967382][URL]https://www.sfaf.org/collections/beta/drug-resistance-and-doxy-pep-should-we-worry/[/URL]

Be careful out there.[/QUOTE]Thanks for providing that link, which included a nice summary statement.

"In short, the overall benefits of Doxy PEP outweigh the risks, and we will continue to support the science, and incorporate new findings, so that we can make the best recommendations for our communities.”

[QUOTE=Turgid;2967382][URL]https://www.sfaf.org/collections/beta/drug-resistance-and-doxy-pep-should-we-worry/[/URL]

Be careful out there.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing. Sadly, this is what happens when mongers brag about barebacking endless sex workers for endless years and think self diagnosing and self treatment of STDs is the answer.

Now we have antibiotics that are worthless and STIs that are drug resistant, meaning one could live with it forever and share it to their girlfriend, spouse, etc.
[QUOTE=MoonShot;2966558]The idea that 99% of girls here in Pattaya will go bareback is absurd based on personal experience[/QUOTE]
Correct, but mongers watch “creampie thais” and think every single sex worker is willing to go bareback.

Sure, if I’m hunting through the bottom of the barrel beach road and beer bar ass and promising to pay extra, I can find plenty who will do it. But if I’m cherry picking the best of the best at a top WS go-go, then no, they’re not all ok with that.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2967330]He didn't overpay, that's the price most girls are asking at this period. He could have attempted to negotiate her personnal fee though, and get a 500 baht discount at best.[/QUOTE]From my experience last night, I think this is very accurate. I went to Soi 6 around 7:30 pm. It was packed with girls and not many guys. Most of the bars were empty and girls were very aggressive trying to get you to stop. I asked a few of them how much and they all said 2000. I countered with 1500 and they said yes but wanted me to sit down for a drink with them. I didn't ask their ages but I would assume they are 18-25 ish. Probably something on the strip to everyone's preference. I didn't take any of them because I usually try to avoid bar fines unless there is something I have to try that not. There are too many equivalent options outside of the bar scene for me to seal the deal. Well at least that has been the case so far.

I met up with a guy from the Pattaya site and was having a conversation with and we both came to the same conclusion. Pattaya maybe crowded and it maybe high season but those people aren't necessarily mongers. I've been in many bars gogos clubs and it's about the same amount of people in these places as there was in months past.

[QUOTE=Global00;2967842]I went to Soi 6 around 7:30 pm. It was packed with girls and not many guys. Most of the bars were empty and girls were very aggressive trying to get you to stop. I asked a few of them how much and they all said 2000. I countered with 1500 and they said yes but wanted me to sit down for a drink with them.[/QUOTE]Counter with 1000. Tell them no drink, only boom boom. I do not know if you would count the room fee as a bar fine, because if you go to a short time motel then you would pay the same 300 or 400 for the room. I also do not pay bar fines for taking chicks out either, but I am okay with the room fee if I am fucking them on site. Besides, some chicks are going to ask for motorbike taxi money if they do not have transpo and come to your place.

I was out showing my buddy around and he was doing some shopping. I found it different how he negotiated. He would only say give me a better price instead of naming the price he was willing to pay. For me, if someone tells me 2000. I say 1000. They may say 1500, but I stay on 1000 or maybe even lower my offer to 800.

This will be my first time to Pattaya.

Q. on beach Road. Starting at south end at walking street for how many blocks are there free lancers.

Are there free lancers all the way up to North Pattaya Beach?

Where are most freelancers of beach Road?

Is theft of wallet, etc from room common. Or we do not need to worry if ID is kept at front desk?

Should I avoid hotels whose lobby is not staffed 24 x7?

I'm currently in Pattaya for a week and below is a quick update.

Indian clubs:

I checked out both Indian clubs on WS, Jannaat is the bigger on. I didn't see any Russians at all contrary to what was mentioned perviously. However, there were plenty of Thai freelancers on the left side of the club if you can manage your way to get through the crowds. Price is crazy (they want 4000 for 1 hour 1 shot) which tells me the Indians in the Indian clubs are obviously spending a lot money. The music and atmosphresie was pretty awesome though, you can see the amount of money and thought that went into making it such a massive club.

WS go-go:

Same old same old here. I went into XS and didn't see anything I liked. I went into Palace, my favorite, and ended up barfing 3 different women on 2 different days. The service was ok as expected, its rarely spectacular when you're dealing with this new generation of young, spoiled, WS gogo bar girls.

Disco:

I went to 808 on a whim, recently I really hate discos because they're trash music with trash freelancers compared to Pattaya 15+ years ago when all the freelancers at disco were smoking hot beautiful. Amazingly, I ran into one of my old regulars I haven't seen in 8+ years so ofcourse I took her for the night. I also ran into another regular WG freelancer of mine who I met in Bahrain (a lot of WG thais go to Bahrain for work) and I'll be seeing her tonight. Not the best looks but her service is amazing.

Observations:

It still amazes me that some mongers are deathly afraid to take a motorbike taxi. There's no way I'm taking a tuk tuk or grab to get back and forth between my hotel and WS in this heavy traffic.

Avani Pattaya resort is a great place to stay. However, I was able to find an airbnb that was just as good (View Talay 6) so I continue to debate with myself about which one is better (hotel vs airbnb).

When I monger, its a mix. Some are bar girls, some are freelancers, some are regulars, some are new, so while bar girls will usually always have the best body and looks, its the freelancers (usually I find at discos, not beach road) who will always have the best service, best bang for your buck, GFE, and overall better time. In my opinion.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2968077]Indian clubs:

I checked out both Indian clubs on WS, Jannaat is the bigger on. I didn't see any Russians at all contrary to what was mentioned perviously. However, there were plenty of Thai freelancers on the left side of the club if you can manage your way to get through the crowds. Price is crazy (they want 4000 for 1 hour 1 shot) which tells me the Indians in the Indian clubs are obviously spending a lot money.[/QUOTE]I walked through there last Tuesday night. It was 3:30 am so I figured the club had already emptied out because I had never seen that few people there. I would say there were about 20 people max. There were 2 Russian chicks at the front table toward the right side. Those same Thai chicks that want 4000 in the club, will come over for 1000 before they go to that club. It has happened many times. There are more than 2 Indian discos on Walking Street.

I definitely agree you can get some down to 1000.

I think you have more experience here and have a better handle on negotiations than someone who is here on vacation. I have had interesting request from girls this weekend. One asked me to buy her flight home to Chiang Mai for 2200 Bhat for LT. Another girl from who recently stopped working at gogo asked for 2000ST but easily accepted 1500. She said the bar didn't even give her that per session. I had a Russian chick ask for 2500ST. But the most outlandish request was a girl from Phuket allegedly here on vacation ask for 4000ST. She said girls there ask for 5000 and up. And guys have given her 10000 or more a night. By my standards she is not even a top the beauty mountain and definitely not to Asian or this boards beauty standards. I showed her prices girls asked me for and said she can't wait to go back to Phuket and countered with 2500. LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2967891]Counter with 1000. Tell them no drink, only boom boom. I do not know if you would count the room fee as a bar fine, because if you go to a short time motel then you would pay the same 300 or 400 for the room. I also do not pay bar fines for taking chicks out either, but I am okay with the room fee if I am fucking them on site. Besides, some chicks are going to ask for motorbike taxi money if they do not have transpo and come to your place.

I was out showing my buddy around and he was doing some shopping. I found it different how he negotiated. He would only say give me a better price instead of naming the price he was willing to pay. For me, if someone tells me 2000. I say 1000. They may say 1500, but I stay on 1000 or maybe even lower my offer to 800.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Global00;2968184]But the most outlandish request was a girl from Phuket allegedly here on vacation ask for 4000ST. She said girls there ask for 5000 and up. And guys have given her 10000 or more a night. [/QUOTE]And that is when I would have told her that she should have stayed her ass in Phuket. Reminds me when I was in Bangkok years ago trying to get a Nana car park chick for 1000. She told me this Bangkok, not Pattaya. That was before I had ever heard of Pattaya. I was already getting other car park chicks for 1000, so that had always been my mark.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2968077]I'm currently in Pattaya for a week and below is a quick update..[/QUOTE]Nice report. With regard to discos, are you talking about the ones on Walking Street? Or elsewhere? Been a while since I was in Pattaya but planning another trip for early 2025.

Also, how much was this Airbnb you mentioned?

Cheers.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2967589]Doxycycline sounds like a good idea.

HOW ABOUT PrEP? Is that available in pharmacies in Pattaya? I think preventing HIV has to be priority number 1.


Thanks.[/QUOTE]Disclosure: I am not a doctor, and this is not medical advice. See you own doc.

I get both through my US-based major health care provider. The doctor appointments and lab tests (every 90 days) are free and the prescriptions are free as well. Not sure what happens in UK or EU, but generally governments consider it essential public policy to ensure these meds are easy to get and cheap. PrEP must be taken daily, and requires a few weeks to build effectiveness. DoxyPep should be taken right after sex, or up to 24-hours after.

I order 90-day supplies when I travel to ensure I have ample supply. Plus, I keep a copy of my US Doctor's prescription which can be provided to a local pharmacy or clinic.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2967743] I'm different, think [B]Nordstroms[/B]![/QUOTE]I'm more of a Nordstroms Rack guy myself. LOL (If the shoe fits, better hope it's on sale.).

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2968077]I'm currently in Pattaya for a week and below is a quick update.
...I went into Palace, my favorite, and ended up "barfing" 3 different women on 2 different days.

[/QUOTE]Freudian. And I love it!

Well done, Sir!

[QUOTE=Rambo1969;2968011]This will be my first time to Pattaya.
Q. on beach Road. Starting at south end at walking street for how many blocks are there free lancers.
Are there free lancers all the way up to North Pattaya Beach?
Where are most freelancers of beach Road?[/QUOTE]There are freelancers all the way up to the north, but the majority of them is standing somewhere between Walking Street and Central Festival.

[QUOTE=Rambo1969;2968011]
Is theft of wallet, etc from room common. Or we do not need to worry if ID is kept at front desk?[/QUOTE]Stealing is not common, and in most hotels the girl has to give her ID to the front desk. But it never hurts to check your belongings before she leaves, and to keep stuff like laptops, camera's, and credit cards in the safe in your room. Some guys even put their phone and wallet in the safe, but personally I've never done that.

[QUOTE=Rambo1969;2968011]
Should I avoid hotels whose lobby is not staffed 24 x7?[/QUOTE]Generally speaking: no, just be more careful with whom you take to your room. But since it's your first time in Pattaya: yes, you will feel more secure. And I think at least 95% of the hotel lobbies are staffed 24/7 anyway.

Hi.

I am wondering if I should spend a couple of nights in Jomtein in addition to Pattaya.

Are the freelancers much cheaper in Jomtein vs Pattaya Beach Road?

Youtube video makes RomPho Complex rather quiet. Not much buzz.

Is the daytime beach life better in Jomtein?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2968082]I walked through there last Tuesday night. It was 3:30 am so I figured the club had already emptied out because I had never seen that few people there. I would say there were about 20 people max. There were 2 Russian chicks at the front table toward the right side. Those same Thai chicks that want 4000 in the club, will come over for 1000 before they go to that club. It has happened many times. There are more than 2 Indian discos on Walking Street.[/QUOTE]Correct. I was there around midnight on Saturday and Sunday, on the right side there was a line of freelancers asking for 4000 baht ST (some wanted 2000 others wanted 5000), pretty laughable but apparently that's what Indian in these clubs are paying. Hmm I guess I did see 2 Russians at the very front table right next to the stage, wasn't sure at the time. Yes, I went to Boss club as well which is another indian club, as you stated there are more than 2 Indian clubs.

[QUOTE=Global00;2968184]But the most outlandish request was a girl from Phuket allegedly here on vacation ask for 4000ST. She said girls there ask for 5000 and up. And guys have given her 10000 or more a night. By my standards she is not even a top the beauty mountain and definitely not to Asian or this boards beauty standards. I showed her prices girls asked me for and said she can't wait to go back to Phuket and countered with 2500. LOL.[/QUOTE]
I had a thai WG inside Jannat (indian club) ask for 5000 ST and 8000 LT, with no bareback blowjob. Everything must be condom so I laughed my ass off. She was slim, petite, with big nice bolt ons but her face looked middle aged, no where close to justifying the price tag. Then another thai WG standing right next to her wanted 2000 ST, which included a bareback blowjob so its clear many thai WGs at these indian clubs are just making up prices from thin air. What Indians choose to pay for subpar middle aged freelancer pussy at go-go bar prices is their choice, but I never thought they would be the ones ruining the market.

Ive also been to Patong in Phuket: its trash. Theres no where near the amount of gogo, discos, beer bars, and freelancers Pattaya has and any thai WG claiming they make a bunch of money or theres higher prices, makes me think they're lying. I went into every go-go on bangla road and saw nothing special. I went into to several discos and nothing special. I will never go to Patong again.

[QUOTE=GaijinGigolo;2968258]Nice report. With regard to discos, are you talking about the ones on Walking Street? Or elsewhere? Been a while since I was in Pattaya but planning another trip for early 2025.

Also, how much was this AirBnb you mentioned?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I typically only go to discos on walking street: 808, Insomnia, Myst, ibar, Republic, Lucifer, etc. They're endless. As stated, mongering is an art not a science so my method at these discos is straightforward "Hello my name is X, are you a working girl?" Then from there is smooth sailing.

The airbnb I'm staying at is not cheap: $300 per night during high season. But the condo is called "View Talay 6" and there's numerous units you can rent, buy, or book on [URL]booking.com[/URL], not just airbnb. https://www.airbnb.com/l/hcQUSs2P

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2968342]Thanks. I typically only go to discos on walking street: 808, Insomnia, Myst, ibar, Republic, Lucifer, etc. They're endless. As stated, mongering is an art not a science so my method at these discos is straightforward "Hello my name is X, are you a working girl?" Then from there is smooth sailing.

The airbnb I'm staying at is not cheap: $300 per night during high season. But the condo is called "View Talay 6" and there's numerous units you can rent, buy, or book on [URL]booking.com[/URL], not just airbnb. https://www.airbnb.com/l/hcQUSs2P[/QUOTE]Cheers, thanks for the intel.

[QUOTE=Rambo1969;2968289]Hi.

I am wondering if I should spend a couple of nights in Jomtein in addition to Pattaya.

Are the freelancers much cheaper in Jomtein vs Pattaya Beach Road?

Youtube video makes RomPho Complex rather quiet. Not much buzz.

Is the daytime beach life better in Jomtein?[/QUOTE]The beach in Jomtien is much better than Pattaya. There are some decent bars on Thappraya Road in Jomtien, and down the various sois. I suspect pricing in Jomtien is the same as most Pattaya venues.

Going to Jomtien is okay if you want to spend time daytime at a decent beach. What is difficult is staying in Jomtien and going mongering in Pattaya, since ladies usually don't want to travel to Jomtien.

[QUOTE=Rambo1969;2968011]Is theft of wallet, etc from room common. Or we do not need to worry if ID is kept at front desk?[/QUOTE]All the stealing in Pattaya is done by ladyboys or other tourists.

[URL]https://aseannow.com/topic/1346172-british-man-arrested-for-jewellery-theft-from-tourists-in-pattaya/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Rambo1969;2968289]I am wondering if I should spend a couple of nights in Jomtein in addition to Pattaya.[/QUOTE]No. Jomtien is for families and quiet time. Just go over there for a while to see what you are missing. It only takes 5 to 10 minutes to get there.

[QUOTE=Rambo1969;2968289]Are the freelancers much cheaper in Jomtein vs Pattaya Beach Road?[/QUOTE]I assume you are speaking about freelancers on Jomtien Beach Road. I do not think they are any cheaper and there are only 2 or 3. Neither that I would touch with a 10 foot pole. You see no reports on here about Jomtien BR FL. Do not try to reinvent the wheel.

[QUOTE=Rambo1969;2968289]Youtube video makes RomPho Complex rather quiet. Not much buzz.[/QUOTE]Once again, how many reports do you see on that here? There are like 2 bars, some restaurants and salons at Rom Pho.

[QUOTE=Rambo1969;2968289]Is the daytime beach life better in Jomtein?[/QUOTE]No idea on what you mean by better beach life. But if you want beach, then take the big boat at the end of Bali Hai pier to Koh Larn for 30 baht. Once there, I suggest taking a motorbike taxi to Tien Beach for 50 baht.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2968336]Ive also been to Patong in Phuket: its trash. I will never go to Patong again.[/QUOTE]I have been twice. I went the first time for scuba diving. The only reason I went the second time is because some buddies were in town and wanted me to go down there with them. People just have to go to say they have been there. Then they realize they could have skipped it. I recommend Koh Samui to my non-monger and couple tourist friends.

I've been in Pattaya for a few days now and I have talked with a few bar managers that I have known over the years. They are reporting that the bar business is slow, while Pattaya is getting a lot of visitors they are either Thai's or others that do not visit our kind of bars. One manager told me that his visitors are also being cheap, coming to town for one longer trip rather than two but stretching their budget to what they would have spent on a shorter trip. The impact is clear, the bars are not as busy as other years and theres plenty of choice.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2968564]I've been in Pattaya for a few days now and I have talked with a few bar managers that I have known over the years. They are reporting that the bar business is slow, while Pattaya is getting a lot of visitors they are either Thai's or others that do not visit our kind of bars. One manager told me that his visitors are also being cheap, coming to town for one longer trip rather than two but stretching their budget to what they would have spent on a shorter trip. The impact is clear, the bars are not as busy as other years and theres plenty of choice.[/QUOTE]These highly successful Festival s Pattaya have all the time are great. In bringing in Thais.

2 weeks ago there was a Hate Krishna shin dig. Parade and everything.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2968406]I have been twice. I went the first time for scuba diving. The only reason I went the second time is because some buddies were in town and wanted me to go down there with them. People just have to go to say they have been there. Then they realize they could have skipped it. I recommend Koh Samui to my non-monger and couple tourist friends.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Its good to visit to mark it off the checklist and for non-monger and family friendly things to do. I still need to try Koh Samui, Chang Mai, and a few others that I've heard many good things about it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2967891]Counter with 1000. Tell them no drink, only boom boom. I do not know if you would count the room fee as a bar fine, because if you go to a short time motel then you would pay the same 300 or 400 for the room. I also do not pay bar fines for taking chicks out either, but I am okay with the room fee if I am fucking them on site. Besides, some chicks are going to ask for motorbike taxi money if they do not have transpo and come to your place.

I was out showing my buddy around and he was doing some shopping. I found it different how he negotiated. He would only say give me a better price instead of naming the price he was willing to pay. For me, if someone tells me 2000. I say 1000. They may say 1500, but I stay on 1000 or maybe even lower my offer to 800.[/QUOTE]I can't believe that you just advised one guy to walk along Soi six trying to proposition the bar girls to do a short time without even buying one drink. If the guy goes and tries to do that I'm sure he will find out very quickly that he won't be welcome in most if not all of those bars. My suggestion for someone like this would be to look on Thai friendly for girls as freelancers and guess what? TThey will find out very quickly that many soi six girls are already on the APP, looking for customers after hours or when they're not working.

[QUOTE=TravelingMan3;2967865]I met up with a guy from the Pattaya site and was having a conversation with and we both came to the same conclusion. Pattaya maybe crowded and it maybe high season but those people aren't necessarily mongers. I've been in many bars gogos clubs and it's about the same amount of people in these places as there was in months past.[/QUOTE]They are not coming in droves like they did before Covid. Many bars still doing live streams and they are making money. Desire on Soi 6 is selling plenty of drinks online right now as an example. Weekends will be busy on walking street but sadly it won't be the same ever again.

A quick update from me:

Indian clubs:

I went back into Jannet last night because I find these Indian clubs fascinating compared to the other discos. I've taken 2 different thai WGs from there but I wasn't impressed with either one as their body was middle aged and service was lacking, one of them said they like indians because "they don't want long sex. " In the front of Jannat are several Uzbekistans, not Russians. One wanted 8000ST and everything condom so I declined. I plan to check out Jannate one more time and that will be it for me: too many middle aged, lip fillers, heavy makeup, single mothers, push up bras, that only want crazy prices with bad rushed service. But the music and atmosphere are awesome.

Boss Club:

Indian club, I don't care for it. I went in and wasn't impressed. Crowded as usual with various freelancers with heavy makeup, middle aged face, and push up bras.

WS Discos:

I went into 808 then later ibar / Insomnia, plenty of freelancers but could not find anything I wanted.

Myst. I gave Myst another chance and it was a disaster. Too crowded, awful layout, never going again. Stay far away from this place.

Soi 6:

Fun to be grabbed on and plenty of lookers but just not my thing. I'll try it again but usually avoid it.

WS go-go:

I went in XS and didn't like anyone I wanted. Palace continues to be my one and only favorite which is a far cry from back in the day when Sapphire, Sensations, Whats up, and various other WS go-go had amazing line ups and talent. I'll give pinup a chance again but didn't like anyone I saw.

Beach road:

Not a fan but there is a group of very fair skinned asians I've seen, I assume they're lady boys but may check it out later.

LK Metro:

Have not been in a really long time but will go again soon.

Beer bars:

Have not tried it due to constrained time. But plenty of hidden gems can be found here.

Thaifriendly/Tinder/Bumble:
Never tried TF but heard good things about it. Im using tinder and bumble but haven’t seen anything too interesting so far.

Method:

Ideally my daily method is to hit up the WS go-gos first for 1 or 2 STs, then I move on to the discos to find freelancers for ST. The right freelancer will give you far better service and pricing than the most beautiful bar girl. But for me, the right freelancer is not easy to find because many of them are unattractive. I have a list of freelancers I've met on previous trips but sadly many of them just disappear.

Observations:

I was wrong about Indians in Thailand. There are "Indian-Thais" (Indian but 2nd and 3rd generational thai) who own many of these WS clubs and are loaded, plus the Indians in these Indian clubs. I didn't fully grasp the diversity of the Indian population in Pattaya but now I better understand it.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2968652]I can't believe that you just advised one guy to walk along Soi six trying to proposition the bar girls to do a short time without even buying one drink. If the guy goes and tries to do that I'm sure he will find out very quickly that he won't be welcome in most if not all of those bars. .[/QUOTE]I have seen it done plenty of times precovid.

Haven't seen it done since though.

[QUOTE=JSmithJ88;2968656]I have seen it done plenty of times precovid.

Haven't seen it done since though.[/QUOTE]Just to illustrate how Soi 6 has changed, before COVID I bought a couple of drinks for a bar girl. Upon ordering a 3rd drink, she asked me if we were going to the room. When I said no, she excused herself to go find a better customer.

People. We are customer s. Understand.

Nothing wrong with asking if a Soi 6 girl will go short time without buying drink.

You aren't trying to Woo them with 50 drinks. Not necessary.

About girls rushing to Soi 6 for high season. Hahaha.

I just don't see it.

Actual numbers of girls looks Down.

Just eye balling it so could be wrong.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2968652]I can't believe that you just advised one guy to walk along Soi six trying to proposition the bar girls to do a short time without even buying one drink. If the guy goes and tries to do that I'm sure he will find out very quickly that he won't be welcome in most if not all of those bars. My suggestion for someone like this would be to look on Thai friendly for girls as freelancers and guess what? TThey will find out very quickly that many soi six girls are already on the APP, looking for customers after hours or when they're not working.[/QUOTE]I can't believe that you are on with this we must support the bar owner shit again. What are you talking about? These are fuck places. Are you saying that it is permitted to go in and buy drinks without fucking, but not permitted to go in and fuck without buying drinks? If so, then that is preposterous. The same way that you can walk in to McDonald's and buy a Big Mac, without a drink, you can walk in to a bar with rooms or gentlemen's club and fuck without buying a drink. They are hoarhouses and the drinks are optional.

The rooms are already there and a sunk cost included in the rent of the bar. If you go pay 400 baht to use a room to fuck a chick that is 400 baht the bar owner gets. If you go buy a drink for 80 baht that the owner paid 30 baht for, then that is only 50 baht for the owner. Anybody with a brain can see they would make more money renting 1 room for 1 hour than selling 1, 2, or 3 drinks in 1 hour. They would need to sell 8 drinks to a person in 1 hour to equal what they would getting from renting the 1 person a room for 1 hour. I do not know about you, but I sure as hell am not drinking 8 drinks.

I know you are EverythingThai, but try using some western math or business sense for a change. You are sounding like our barbecue guy that moved off Buakhao where he had 1000 customers to Sukhumvit where he had 2 customers because he could pay cheaper rent. Funniest thing ever was when I gave that guy a 1000 baht bill and he had to go find change. The next time I went into the restaurant he did not want to serve me because he was afraid I would give him a 1000 baht bill again. I had to ensure him that I had small bills before he would take my order. Imagine not wanting to serve a customer because you are afraid they actually have money to pay. Amazing Thailand.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2968654]Myst. I gave Myst another chance and it was a disaster. Too crowded, awful layout, never going again. Stay far away from this place.[/QUOTE]I agree, but for some reason I keep going to this place. A long narrow rectangle with no personality. It is like walking into an overcrowded match box. They should at least use one of the doors in the middle of the long side, instead of the one on the short side.

And the Winner is.

Hands down Bliss. Pound for pound best girl on the Street. Need I say best as in Attractive ness. Not some kakamammie metric like Service. Hahaha.

Is it any wonder it's kind of Busy.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2968652]I can't believe that you just advised one guy to walk along Soi six trying to proposition the bar girls to do a short time without even buying one drink. If the guy goes and tries to do that I'm sure he will find out very quickly that he won't be welcome in most if not all of those bars. My suggestion for someone like this would be to look on Thai friendly for girls as freelancers and guess what? TThey will find out very quickly that many soi six girls are already on the APP, looking for customers after hours or when they're not working.[/QUOTE]When Soi 6 was still worth it, roughly for 3 years between 2017 and 2022, I visited Soi 6 five times a week for an afternoon fuck. Hardly ever paid any girl a drink. Bars got the money I paid for the short time room and girls got the standard price, usually 1000 back then.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2968681]About girls rushing to Soi 6 for high season. Hahaha.

I just don't see it.

Actual numbers of girls looks Down.

Just eye balling it so could be wrong.[/QUOTE]The birth rate in Thailand has been dropping, so there are fewer young ladies available.

Plus, not so many Thai girls in the village produce 2 or 3 kids by age 20, so their Thai man is less likely to flee until they are much older. As long as their Thai man sticks with them, they stay in the village. A big percent of new arrivals in Soi 6 used to be abandoned wives who had no prospects in the village and nothing to lose. Those days are mostly over.

The other side of the coin are married ladies in the village who hear about ladies making big money off drinks. They can bring their Thai husbands to Pattaya, work Soi 6, and go home to hubby every night, as LT is now rare on Soi 6.

Quick update for Tuesday:

Indian clubs:

Went to Jannat again around 2330. I counted about 15-20 Uzbekistans in the front, most were unappealing: too much makeup, lip fillers, middle aged face, flat ass, bad teeth, heavy smokers, push up bras, etc they show up at 2300 to get their "usual seats" and they typically charge 8000 baht ST (condom for everything, even blowjobs). Only 1 or 2 were even worth talking to.

My recommendation after multiple trips to Indian clubs to see the WGs: not really worth it for mongering in Thailand. For Russians / Eastern European I would stick to Dubai. For thai WG freelancers, you can find better at other discos like ibar or even beach road. 99% of the WGs in Jannat, both thai and EE, only do condom for everything and they all look middle aged with heavy makeup.

If a WG doesn't do bareback blowjobs as part of her service, that's her right but I'm not going to pay for that at any price. There are too many WG who will still happy provide this service. Below is a picture I took of the "uzbek section. ".

Soi 6:

Went again last night but just couldn't find anything I liked. Ofcourse its not easy to do while being harassed and grabbed but I do think I'll give it another shot.

Ibar / insomnia:

I checked this place out multiple times: nothing I could find.

Myst:

Reluctantly went again around 3 am, still didn't find nothing. Just too crowded and I've never seen a single WG there I liked.

How is usually Pattaya during Chinese New Year? Many Chinese people go there? And Thai girls usually go back to their families home during these days?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2968693]I can't believe that you are on with this we must support the bar owner shit again. What are you talking about? These are fuck places. Are you saying that it is permitted to go in and buy drinks without fucking, but not permitted to go in and fuck without buying drinks? If so, then that is preposterous. The same way that you can walk in to McDonald's and buy a Big Mac, without a drink, you can walk in to a bar with rooms or gentlemen's club and fuck without buying a drink. They are hoarhouses and the drinks are optional.

The rooms are already there and a sunk cost included in the rent of the bar. If you go pay 400 baht to use a room to fuck a chick that is 400 baht the bar owner gets. If you go buy a drink for 80 baht that the owner paid 30 baht for, then that is only 50 baht for the owner. Anybody with a brain can see they would make more money renting 1 room for 1 hour than selling 1, 2, or 3 drinks in 1 hour. They would need to sell 8 drinks to a person in 1 hour to equal what they would getting from renting the 1 person a room for 1 hour. I do not know about you, but I sure as hell am not drinking 8 drinks.

I know you are EverythingThai, but try using some western math or business sense for a change. You are sounding like our barbecue guy that moved off Buakhao where he had 1000 customers to Sukhumvit where he had 2 customers because he could pay cheaper rent. Funniest thing ever was when I gave that guy a 1000 baht bill and he had to go find change. The next time I went into the restaurant he did not want to serve me because he was afraid I would give him a 1000 baht bill again. I had to ensure him that I had small bills before he would take my order. Imagine not wanting to serve a customer because you are afraid they actually have money to pay. Amazing Thailand.[/QUOTE]I think you completely missed my point. Why would anyone want to waste time going from bar to bar on Soi 6 to find a girl to fuck without buying drinks, not even 1? These are bars and they are there to make money selling drinks. I can understand one who goes into soi 6 to have fun drinking a little bit, buys a few drinks, not 40, and then takes the girl to the ST room upstairs in the bar. However, if one's intention is to find a girl without drinking, why waste time on a street full of bars that are there to sell drinks. "Bar"" Hello,

For the guys that don't want to buy lady drinks and don't want to drink, there are freelancers and massage shops. Why waste time trolling Soi 6 for girls willing to ST with no drinks, not even 1. Can you help me to understand the logic in this? If I am on holiday, why would I want to waste time doing this? I would want to do the easy thing to maximize my time. Just find freelancers and massage girls. Then no need to mention the ugly word lady drink. Right?


Some of us enjoy drinking and having fun with the girls. If thats not your thing, so be it. All this price stuff is also blown so far out of proportion and discussed to death. When in Pattaya, do what the fuck you want and use the info on the forum as a guide on how much to pay. Sometimes you
may pay a little more or a little less. It will all even out in the end. Overthinking pricing while in Pattaya on vacation can ruin your holiday. You may pass up something you will regret later. On the other hand, if you are willing to fuck anything with a pussy whether or not she is attractive to you or not, crack on then its your money and your dick.



Now on your point about Soi 6 bars just being brothels and not bars. If that were true and the bars could make more money just selling sex in the ST rooms, let me ask you this? Why are all the salaries on Soi 6 based on reaching a drink quota? Why are they even selling drinks? Because it’s their business model. I for one am not going to go to Soi 6 if I don’t want to drink and have fun. I would much rather call a freelancer over to my condo or go to a massage shop. To each their own.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2968680]People. We are customer s. Understand.

Nothing wrong with asking if a Soi 6 girl will go short time without buying drink.

You aren't trying to Woo them with 50 drinks. Not necessary.[/QUOTE]Don't you guys like the idea of sitting with a girl first and chatting with her before going arriba? I tend to be able to assess whether she will be be worth my baht at this stage.

[QUOTE=Algumetu;2968881]How is usually Pattaya during Chinese New Year? Many Chinese people go there? And Thai girls usually go back to their families home during these days?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Most Thai people don't even know about Chinese New Year.

As for Pattaya being busy during Chinese New Year, there is an influx of Chinese, thousands following the flag around Walking Street, and 2 or 3 men will go into a bar.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2968913]I think you completely missed my point. Why would anyone want to waste time going from bar to bar on Soi 6 to find a girl to fuck without buying drinks, not even 1?[/QUOTE]Easily answered. You see them as bars while I see them as hoarhouses. I will go there to fuck and you will go there to drink. To me drinking is not fun, but fucking around and talking shit with hookers is. We can both be right and get what we are individually looking for out of the same place.

Me and my buddy were in 808 last week. He asked me if all the chicks in there were hookers. I said pretty much. Now some guys may be going into that disco to dance, but me, I am going in there to find hookers. And I do not need to buy a bunch of drinks to do it. The same as Soi 6.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2968946]Easily answered. You see them as bars while I see them as hoarhouses. I will go there to fuck and you will go there to drink. To me drinking is not fun, but fucking around and talking shit with hookers is. We can both be right and get what we are individually looking for out of the same place.

Me and my buddy were in 808 last week. He asked me if all the chicks in there were hookers. I said pretty much. Now some guys may be going into that disco to dance, but me, I am going in there to find hookers. And I do not need to buy a bunch of drinks to do it. The same as Soi 6.[/QUOTE]I'm in the same boat. I'm not there to drink at all. I'm there to talk a little shit and find the ripest cheeks to get my cardio in for the day after I leave the gym. Then its time to eat.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2968930]Don't you guys like the idea of sitting with a girl first and chatting with her before going arriba? I tend to be able to assess whether she will be be worth my baht at this stage.[/QUOTE]Yes I do. But I don't want to buy a girl drinks and then find out she won't go with you. So when I sit down with a girl, I ask her if she does ST. If she says no, I say I'm only buying drinks for girls who will. She either agrees to change her mind or she gets me a different girl. Fortunately I've never been lied to by a girl who said she would ST and then said no after drinks. Once I know she will, then we can chat and have drinks. Often it enhances the flirting when she knows I want ST later.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2968930]Don't you guys like the idea of sitting with a girl first and chatting with her before going arriba? I tend to be able to assess whether she will be be worth my baht at this stage.[/QUOTE]Not a problem.

Me and others are just pointing out Drinks buying isn't necessary.

So much know it alls just give bad information.

Just out of the Blue I went to Horny Bar soy6.

A head Turner if there ever was one. Look like half Russian half Thai. Prettier than the Russian s on Walking Street.

[QUOTE=Algumetu;2968881]How is usually Pattaya during Chinese New Year? Many Chinese people go there? And Thai girls usually go back to their families home during these days?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Nobody in Pattaya gives a damn about Chinese New Year. Why would they, they're not Chinese. Business as usual.

Soi six is a street with a bunch of brothels that also sell alcohol. I'm taking a break from drinking and have gone to soi 6 recently more than a few times and just walk the street until I find something I like and ask to go straight upstairs no drink fro me or her I've never gotten a no. Now I haven't been able to get it for the 1000 baht he claims but you don't need to be buying racks of drinks to get them.

Also went to walking street last night as I have some buddies in town we went to 808 and Lucifer with the latter having the bigger crowd.

Just found out from an OF lady who is based out of Pattaya that one of her friends was arrested for producing porn. Seems that making porn films is illegal in Thailand. My associate has been in a few films with her and is needles to say running a little scared. Apparently OF is also illegal there in Thailand, go figure. I find it interesting that one can walk up and down Walking Street and see multiple women out plying their trades and making port films is still against the law and can get a woman arrested.

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2969134]Apparently OF is also illegal there in Thailand, go figure. I find it interesting that one can walk up and down Walking Street and see multiple women out plying their trades and making port films is still against the law and can get a woman arrested.[/QUOTE]Why is that interesting? Plenty of laws across the globe (and probably where you are from as well) are based on different moral arguments or traditions that may slightly conflict with logic. It's always been known that porn is illegal in Thailand. Usually nobody cares, but sometimes they enforce, just like other laws.

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2969134]Just found out from an OF lady who is based out of Pattaya that one of her friends was arrested for producing porn. Seems that making porn films is illegal in Thailand. I find it interesting that one can walk up and down Walking Street and see multiple women out plying their trades and making port films is still against the law and can get a woman arrested.[/QUOTE]I find it stupid that mfs will record themselves doing something illegal for all the world to see. You have to know what you can get away with along with with whom and where. Those Trike Patrol guys were idiots to come in and record themselves breaking the law (making porno and working without a permit) and then turn around and try to come back into the country with the intentions of doing the same thing again. In addition to the one guy being caught with material featuring miners.

[QUOTE=GaijinGigolo;2969068]Nobody in Pattaya gives a damn about Chinese New Year. Why would they, they're not Chinese. Business as usual.[/QUOTE]Then you are clueless!

I've been here 20 years I'm Chinese American born and raised in West coast consider the Largest at one time maybe still outside of HongKong. Aside from the parade I still go back yearly around that time you go in stores in Chinatown it be rare you even see a New Year T-shirt to buy.

In Pattaya, I was shock it is celebrated more by Thais than the Chinese even before they started to come. Local market selling chicken, pork, duck, on the eve of Chinese New Year, my Thai wife kids get up at 6 am set up tradition tables with food, whisky, religious statues, put ribbons flowers on cars motorbike light incense candle far greater than my mom ever did who was from Canton! Top it off with string of fire works. Through our neighborhood along with abundant of New Year T-shirts design of choice.

You can go right now to Big see Xtra supermarket upstairs clothing department and it isn't even Christmas yet for sale.

You can go north of Pattaya, Naklua seafood market consider to be Chinatown and see it for yourself.

First year here I was shocked because I though clueless like you. LOL.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2968930]Don't you guys like the idea of sitting with a girl first and chatting with her before going arriba? I tend to be able to assess whether she will be be worth my baht at this stage.[/QUOTE]I look at the lady drink as an interview for the job of boom boom. I don't particularly enjoy chatting with her, but it often helps in selecting the right lady. Sometimes I buy zero drinks (the Mr. E approach). Typically I buy 1 drink before I either accept or reject her. Rarely I buy 2 drinks for a single lady. Perhaps I bought 3 drinks in 2017. I've never bought 4 or more drinks for a lady. Reports of 10+ drinks seem crazy to me.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2968342]Thanks. I typically only go to discos on walking street: 808, Insomnia, Myst, ibar, Republic, Lucifer, etc. They're endless. As stated, mongering is an art not a science so my method at these discos is straightforward "Hello my name is X, are you a working girl?" Then from there is smooth sailing.

The airbnb I'm staying at is not cheap: $300 per night during high season. But the condo is called "View Talay 6" and there's numerous units you can rent, buy, or book on [URL]booking.com[/URL], not just airbnb. https://www.airbnb.com/l/hcQUSs2P[/QUOTE]$300. A night?

I'm staying at View Talay 6 this March for a week and am paying $61. Per night including fees and taxes for a high up room facing the beach to the south. Booked via Dancewatchers.

Quick update:

Beach road:

Went there last night, did not see anything I wanted except for 1 chick who appeared to have large natural boobs. She wanted 1500ST however she said "condom everything" including the blowjob so I declined.

WS Gogo:

Decided to try something different besides palace and went gogo-bar hopping in no particular order:

1. Sharks. Saw a few stunners here and a plan to barfine one of them tomorrow. Decent place and lineup.

2. Iron. Still alive a kicking, absolutely will be coming back for 1 stunner I saw and its amazing this place is even still in business because its never ever packed.

3. Sensation. Dead. A tragedy and shell of its former self.

4. Skyfall. Dead. Empy with no lineup.

5. Fahrenheit. Dead. Not sure how this place has managed to stay open.

6. Chic. Amazing environment and atmosphere, massive, this is the way a club should look but I didn't like anyone in their lineup.

7. Peppermint. Dead. Not sure how this place is still open.

8. Opium. Dead. But I did find a former barfine of mine who used to work at XS.

9. XS. Busy as usual, one of the best go-gos on WS but nothing that I like.

10. Pinup. Another great place, massive lineup, but nothing I like.

11. Sapphire. Dead, a sad shell of its former shell. This place used to be awesome.

12.79 - my guilty pleasure. Only 1 decent WG I like from there.

13. Palace. My personal favorite but still only 2-3 chick I have, and will ever, barfine from there.

There were many others I could've went to but it wasn't worth it. XS, Pinup, and Palace should give you everything you need if you're into WS go-gos.

Discos:

Lucifer. Too dark too loud, boring.

808 - not really worth it, just fat ugly tatted up thai girls who like hip hop. I did find 2 decent freelancers but that was only after endlessly going.

Ibar / Insomnia. A shell of its former self, I can't find a damn thing here.

Observations:

A lot of discos and beach road freelancers are demanding covered blowjobs. Welp, maybe that works for others but it doesn't work for me. Luckily WS go-go bar girls are still giving bareback blowjobs without question.

I found another decent short time hourly hotel of WS called "Royal BJ hotel" for those looking for a decent ST place that isn't the disgusting one across from Baccara (Walking Street Guest House).

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2969134]Just found out from an OF lady who is based out of Pattaya that one of her friends was arrested for producing porn. Seems that making porn films is illegal in Thailand. My associate has been in a few films with her and is needles to say running a little scared. Apparently OF is also illegal there in Thailand, go figure[/QUOTE]Thai internet bans porn sites (as do many other Asian countries), so why would porn be legal to produce? Even in South Korea producing porn is illegal, and they actually have 100% legal red light districts and prostitution there. Japan is one of the few Asian countries where you can legally produce porn. All those "creampie Thai" and thai girls wild content sites are obviously illegal and the owner was previously arrested before he bribed his way out of it.

Prostitution is also illegal in Thailand, go figure.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;2968946]Easily answered. You see them as bars while I see them as hoarhouses. I will go there to fuck and you will go there to drink. To me drinking is not fun, but fucking around and talking shit with hookers is. We can both be right and get what we are individually looking for out of the same place.[/quote]
A bar is a business. If no one ever bought drinks, there would be no bar because it would be bankrupt. Same for clubs, discos, etc.

I dont buy a bar drink or lady drink to talk shit or interview a WG, I buy a drink because it keeps the place open, and this place has allowed me to hunt for WGs instead of walking up and down beach road.

Additionally, many WGs prefer a barfine only after several lady drinks. Without those drinks, they either beg for the drink anyway, refuse the bar fine, or they provide bad service when you do get them to your place so they can rush back to work to get more lady drinks.

Why do you think many WGs prefer East Asians? Because East Asians spend money.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;2968946]
Me and my buddy were in 808 last week. He asked me if all the chicks in there were hookers. I said pretty much. Now some guys may be going into that disco to dance, but me, I am going in there to find hookers. And I do not need to buy a bunch of drinks to do it. The same as Soi 6.[/QUOTE]
You dont need to buy a drink, but plenty of people DO buy drinks which is why 808 (and Soi 6) is still in business thriving. You should be thanking those people or else there is no 808 or Soi 6 where you can hunt for hookers.

Im sure as hell never going to buy a bottle or book a VIP table at 808 (or any disco in Pattaya for that matter) but I'm grateful for those who do.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2968913]I think you completely missed my point. Why would anyone want to waste time going from bar to bar on Soi 6 to find a girl to fuck without buying drinks, not even 1? These are bars and they are there to make money selling drinks. I can understand one who goes into soi 6 to have fun drinking a little bit, buys a few drinks, not 40, and then takes the girl to the ST room upstairs in the bar. However, if one's intention is to find a girl without drinking, why waste time on a street full of bars that are there to sell drinks. "Bar"" Hello,

For the guys that don't want to buy lady drinks and don't want to drink, there are freelancers and massage shops. Why waste time trolling Soi 6 for girls willing to ST with no drinks, not even 1. Can you help me to understand the logic in this? If I am on holiday, why would I want to waste time doing this? I would want to do the easy thing to maximize my time. Just find freelancers and massage girls. Then no need to mention the ugly word lady drink. Right?


Some of us enjoy drinking and having fun with the girls. If thats not your thing, so be it. All this price stuff is also blown so far out of proportion and discussed to death. When in Pattaya, do what the fuck you want and use the info on the forum as a guide on how much to pay. Sometimes you
may pay a little more or a little less. It will all even out in the end. Overthinking pricing while in Pattaya on vacation can ruin your holiday. You may pass up something you will regret later. On the other hand, if you are willing to fuck anything with a pussy whether or not she is attractive to you or not, crack on then its your money and your dick.



Now on your point about Soi 6 bars just being brothels and not bars. If that were true and the bars could make more money just selling sex in the ST rooms, let me ask you this? Why are all the salaries on Soi 6 based on reaching a drink quota? Why are they even selling drinks? Because its their business model. I for one am not going to go to Soi 6 if I dont want to drink and have fun. I would much rather call a freelancer over to my condo or go to a massage shop. To each their own.[/QUOTE]I and countless others have frequented the 6 hundreds of times and never once bought a drink. You can walk down the street, spot one you like, chat with her for a minute in front of the bar and go up for ST.

You insisting on guys buying drinks tells me you're affiliated with bars and have an angle you're taking here.

As your BFF says, "My Dick, My Money My Time. ".

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2969292]
Prostitution is also illegal in Thailand, go figure.
[/QUOTE]Can you cite anything that supports that statement?

[QUOTE]1,000-1,200. By definition are bottom of Barrel.[/QUOTE][B]By whos definition[/B]?

Many of you have formed opinions of what others do solely by what they write. But they have never backed up their opinions with a picture of an actual prostitute they have hired or an actual report that provided the following information:

[B]1. Where you hired your prostitute?[/B]

[B]2. How much you paid for your prostitute?[/B]

[B]3.The social/sexual services that you prostitute provided you?[/B]

That is what I call a [B]Pattaya Report[/B]! There are many posts that do not provide the most basic of information on having sex with girls in Pattaya.

This is a [B]Pattaya Report[/B]:

The majority of prostitutes freelance prostitutes that I hire in Pattaya are asking for 1000 - 2000 THB for short time. The are providing BBBJ, Boom Boom (both CFS and BBFS) often with BBBJCIM finish. At most the upcharge for BBFS is 500.

*All prices in THB.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2969217]Then you are clueless!

I've been here 20 years I'm Chinese American born and raised in West coast consider the Largest at one time maybe still outside of HongKong. Aside from the parade I still go back yearly around that time you go in stores in Chinatown it be rare you even see a New Year T-shirt to buy.

In Pattaya, I was shock it is celebrated more by Thais than the Chinese even before they started to come. Local market selling chicken, pork, duck, on the eve of Chinese New Year, my Thai wife kids get up at 6 am set up tradition tables with food, whisky, religious statues, put ribbons flowers on cars motorbike light incense candle far greater than my mom ever did who was from Canton! Top it off with string of fire works. Through our neighborhood along with abundant of New Year T-shirts design of choice.

You can go right now to Big see Xtra supermarket upstairs clothing department and it isn't even Christmas yet for sale.

You can go north of Pattaya, Naklua seafood market consider to be Chinatown and see it for yourself.

First year here I was shocked because I though clueless like you. LOL.[/QUOTE]Let me rephrase then, nobody in Pattaya other than the Chinese gives one damn about CNY. Business as usual. And eff you for call me clueless.

Lala Land.

Fresh off the Farm small dark skin girl. Nice Tiddies.

Kind of to my liking but not quite there. Rich Korean s took her.

I get the girls like drinks but to get full salary don't they have to Boom Boom a few times every 10 day contract.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2969292]
Prostitution is also illegal in Thailand, go figure.[/QUOTE]No, it isn't. Actively profiting from someone else's prostitution is illegal, that's why there's so many loopholes. But the act of buying / selling sex itself is totally legal.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2969292]
Why do you think many WGs prefer East Asians? Because East Asians spend money.
[/QUOTE]Because they fit the beauty standard far better, because they are culturally way more popular at the moment and because they are far less demanding and aggressive in the bedroom. They're fine with a few minutes of sex a lot of the time and don't watch the clock. Most westerners want to get every last bit of value out of the experience and make the women suck their dick or bend over for lengthy periods of time. Westerners being penny pinchers plays somewhat of a part, but it's a bit of an exaggeration to attribute all of that to someone buying a drink more at the bar.

[QUOTE=GaijinGigolo;2969371]Let me rephrase then, nobody in Pattaya other than the Chinese gives one damn about CNY. Business as usual. And eff you for call me clueless.[/QUOTE]Look you can re do whatever I'm being kind to note you are clueless. I have a Thai family my association daily is with all Thais. The Chinese here living like myself DONOT celebrate CNY.

It is all THAiS that are doing the celebrating that is the the business as usual.
Count yourself lucky that your being called clueless. One stupid MF!

[QUOTE=PassionSR;2969392]No, it isn't. Actively profiting from someone else's prostitution is illegal, that's why there's so many loopholes. But the act of buying / selling sex itself is totally legal.[/QUOTE]That is why when the police come for the beach road chicks they get them for loitering, not prostitution. Also, if you do not pay a chick she can go to the police station and tell them that you owe her money for boom boom.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2969446]Look you can re do whatever I'm being kind to note you are clueless. I have a Thai family my association daily is with all Thais. The Chinese here living like myself DONOT celebrate CNY.

It is all THAiS that are doing the celebrating that is the the business as usual.
Count yourself lucky that your being called clueless. One stupid MF![/QUOTE]Bottom line: Chinese New Year has no impact on mongering.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2969292]Prostitution is also illegal in Thailand, go figure.[/QUOTE]You are correct.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;2969465]That is why when the police come for the beach road chicks they get them for loitering, not prostitution. Also, if you do not pay a chick she can go to the police station and tell them that you owe her money for boom boom.[/QUOTE]

You are wrong Mr. E. The police choose not to enforce the law on prostitution as loitering is easier to prove with less paperwork and its easier to get a bribe.
[QUOTE=Philip Marlow;2969302]Can you cite anything that supports that statement?[/QUOTE]

Maybe Rocko20 cant but I can. You are wrong Philip Marlow. Please read below.

[QUOTE=PassionSR;2969392]No, it isn't. Actively profiting from someone else's prostitution is illegal, that's why there's so many loopholes. But the act of buying / selling sex itself is totally legal.[/QUOTE]You are wrong. Prostitution is clearly illegal as well as profiting from it. My colleagues at Siam legal summarize it very nicely here. If you don't know, don't say. The reason you think it's legal is because it is not enforced in many situations, but the laws are clear. Prostitution is illegal in Pattaya and everywhere in Thailand.

Please read.

Although it's a misconception that prostitution is legalized in Thailand due to popular perception and how openly it is promoted, Thai laws are very much against it. Neither prostitution nor solicitation is legal in Thailand, and there are serious consequences for taking part in it. Regardless of how relaxed the laws may seem to outsiders, it is very much still possible to be fined or prosecuted for soliciting prostitution in Thailand, so it is not recommended for anyone to get involved in the sex industry.

Laws Concerning Prostitution.

There are three primary acts that make prostitution illegal in Thailand:

1. The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act:

This Act prohibits both male and female prostitution in public places and brothels and classifies prostitution as illegal. Anyone who is caught offering sexual services will be fined a minimum of 1,000 THB. Penalties for those supervising them, such as brothel owners, are higher, as this Act is not focused on punishing the sex workers themselves.

2. The Penal Code Amendment Act:

Section 286 of the Penal Code Amendment Act states that anyone over the age of 16 who subsists on the earnings of a prostitute will be imprisoned for 7 to 20 years and fined from 14,000 to 40,000 THB. Convicted offenders can even be imprisoned for life.

This does not apply to those who rely on financial support from a prostitute who is required by law or morality to provide it.

3. The Anti-Trafficking in Persons Act:

This Act criminalizes all forms of human trafficking, including sex trafficking which involves the recruitment, transfer, and exploitation of individuals for the purpose of forced prostitution. The Act also imposes severe penalties on those who assist and patronize the traffickers.

Fines and Penalties.

To demonstrate what is prohibited and what is not and the consequences that come from infractions, below are two of the many laws stated in the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act:

Section 6: Anyone who associates with another person in a prostitution establishment for the purpose of prostitution will be imprisoned for up to 1 month and fined no more than 1,000 THB. Penalties increase after repeated offenses, and deportation and blacklisting from Thailand are also possible. Furthermore, should the solicitation violate other laws and codes, as detailed below, the penalties can accumulate.

Section 8: Anyone who has sexual intercourse with or acts otherwise against a person over the age of 15 but under 18 in a prostitution establishment, with or without their consent, will be imprisoned for up to 3 years and fined between 20,000 to 60,000 THB. However, if it's sexual intercourse with a minor (under the age of 15), the offender will be imprisoned for 2 to 6 years and fined between 40,000 to 120,000 THB.

Below are a few of the laws taken from the Penal Code:

Section 277: Sexual intercourse with a minor (under the age of 15) who is neither the wife nor the husband will result in imprisonment for 4 to 20 years.

Section 279: Anyone who commits an act of indecency to a minor (under the age of 15) will be imprisoned for up to 10 years and face a fine of 20,000 THB. If the act of indecency was committed through threat, violence, or fraud, the offender will be imprisoned for up to 15 years and fined no more than 30,000 THB.

Section 280: Anyone who commits an act of indecency to a minor (under the age of 15) and causes bodily harm will be imprisoned for 5 to 20 years and fined between 10,000 to 40,000 THB. If this results in the death of the minor, the offender will receive a death sentence or lifetime imprisonment.

Section 282: Anyone who procures, seduces, or takes a male or female in order to gratify the sexual desire of a third party without their consent will be imprisoned for up to 10 years and fined up to 2,000 to 20,000 THB. If that person is over the age of 15 but under 18, then the offender will be imprisoned for 3 to 15 years and fined between 6,000 to 30,000 THB.

Pay close attention to number 1 and section 6 and section 8.

Now this is the Pattaya section so I hope this puts this issue to rest and we can move on.


Her is a link to the full suppression act: https://www.dwf.go.th/uploads/Downloads/2b8e484a-1e24-4a1f-bd1e-cda334334b77Prevention%20and%20Suppression%20of%20Prostitution%20Act%20BE%202539.pdf

There are more details in here.

I have lived here for 15 years so I will help you guys to understand. Chinese new year is on the official Thailand holiday calendar. However, it is not a government holiday and businesses can choose to provide it or not. They are obligated to provide 13 public holidays per year. Some business owners will give this off for their staff. Especially if the owner of the Comapny is of Chinese descent. Thais love to celebrate Chinese new year in a similar fashion as they celebrate Christmas. It's just an excuse to party for them. Chinese Thais will celebrate it a little more conventionally, but more often than not, it's not treated as a big holiday like it is in China and Hong Kong.

I will provide some Pattaya reports soon as I will be going there soon. In about 3 weeks or so. Now I'm still in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2969503]Maybe Rocko20 cant but I can. You are wrong Philip Marlow. Please read below.

You are wrong. Prostitution is clearly illegal as well as profiting from it. My colleagues at Siam legal summarize it very nicely here. If you don't know, don't say. The reason you think it's legal is because it is not enforced in many situations, but the laws are clear. Prostitution is illegal in Pattaya and everywhere in Thailand.

Please read.

[/QUOTE]Nope, you are wrong. You can twist it all you want, but you're simply wrong.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2969503]

There are three primary acts that make prostitution illegal in Thailand:

1. The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act:

This Act prohibits both male and female prostitution in public places and brothels and classifies prostitution as illegal. Anyone who is caught offering sexual services will be fined a minimum of 1,000 THB. Penalties for those supervising them, such as brothel owners, are higher, as this Act is not focused on punishing the sex workers themselves.
[/QUOTE]This is exactly the point. Nothing in this act says prostitution is illegal. It says engaging in prostitution PUBLICLY is illegal. Hence why gathering spots get swept every now and then. You are completely free to pay for sexual services and sell them. Facilitating and profiting from someone else's prostitution it is illegal as I said, hence brothels aren't allowed to exist and bars use loopholes.

All the other citations you linked in fact prove and reinforce this point. Not sure why you are including citations that are clearly meant at the AGE being the factor rather than the prostitution.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2969503]Now this is the Pattaya section so I hope this puts this issue to rest and we can move on.[/QUOTE]Well yes, you are wrong and your reading comprehension is severely lacking. So try to read some more and you'll understand better that prostition is not illegal at all. Only aspects of disturbing public order and profiting from prostitutes are. As well as (obviously) engaging with people who haven't reached the appropriate age.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2969503]You are correct.



Maybe Rocko20 cant but I can. You are wrong Philip Marlow. Please read below.

You are wrong. Prostitution is clearly illegal as well as profiting from it. My colleagues at Siam legal summarize it very nicely here. If you don't know, don't say. The reason you think it's legal is because it is not enforced in many situations, but the laws are clear. Prostitution is illegal in Pattaya and everywhere in Thailand.

Please read.

Although it's a misconception that prostitution is legalized in Thailand due to popular perception and how openly it is promoted, Thai laws are very much against it. Neither prostitution nor solicitation is legal in Thailand, and there are serious consequences for taking part in it. Regardless of how relaxed the laws may seem to outsiders, it is very much still possible to be fined or prosecuted for soliciting prostitution in Thailand, so it is not recommended for anyone to get involved in the sex industry.

Laws Concerning Prostitution.

There are three primary acts that make prostitution illegal in Thailand:

1. The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act:

This Act prohibits both male and female prostitution in public places and brothels and classifies prostitution as illegal. Anyone who is caught offering sexual services will be fined a minimum of 1,000 THB. Penalties for those supervising them, such as brothel owners, are higher, as this Act is not focused on punishing the sex workers themselves.

2. The Penal Code Amendment Act:

Section 286 of the Penal Code Amendment Act states that anyone over the age of 16 who subsists on the earnings of a prostitute will be imprisoned for 7 to 20 years and fined from 14,000 to 40,000 THB. Convicted offenders can even be imprisoned for life.

This does not apply to those who rely on financial support from a prostitute who is required by law or morality to provide it.

3. The Anti-Trafficking in Persons Act:

This Act criminalizes all forms of human trafficking, including sex trafficking which involves the recruitment, transfer, and exploitation of individuals for the purpose of forced prostitution. The Act also imposes severe penalties on those who assist and patronize the traffickers.

Fines and Penalties.

To demonstrate what is prohibited and what is not and the consequences that come from infractions, below are two of the many laws stated in the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act:

Section 6: Anyone who associates with another person in a prostitution establishment for the purpose of prostitution will be imprisoned for up to 1 month and fined no more than 1,000 THB. Penalties increase after repeated offenses, and deportation and blacklisting from Thailand are also possible. Furthermore, should the solicitation violate other laws and codes, as detailed below, the penalties can accumulate.

Section 8: Anyone who has sexual intercourse with or acts otherwise against a person over the age of 15 but under 18 in a prostitution establishment, with or without their consent, will be imprisoned for up to 3 years and fined between 20,000 to 60,000 THB. However, if it's sexual intercourse with a minor (under the age of 15), the offender will be imprisoned for 2 to 6 years and fined between 40,000 to 120,000 THB.

Below are a few of the laws taken from the Penal Code:

Section 277: Sexual intercourse with a minor (under the age of 15) who is neither the wife nor the husband will result in imprisonment for 4 to 20 years.

Section 279: Anyone who commits an act of indecency to a minor (under the age of 15) will be imprisoned for up to 10 years and face a fine of 20,000 THB. If the act of indecency was committed through threat, violence, or fraud, the offender will be imprisoned for up to 15 years and fined no more than 30,000 THB.

Section 280: Anyone who commits an act of indecency to a minor (under the age of 15) and causes bodily harm will be imprisoned for 5 to 20 years and fined between 10,000 to 40,000 THB. If this results in the death of the minor, the offender will receive a death sentence or lifetime imprisonment.

Section 282: Anyone who procures, seduces, or takes a male or female in order to gratify the sexual desire of a third party without their consent will be imprisoned for up to 10 years and fined up to 2,000 to 20,000 THB. If that person is over the age of 15 but under 18, then the offender will be imprisoned for 3 to 15 years and fined between 6,000 to 30,000 THB.

Pay close attention to number 1 and section 6 and section 8.

Now this is the Pattaya section so I hope this puts this issue to rest and we can move on.[/QUOTE]You have posted this before, several of us have read it, all of it, and we have yet to see the part that says the act of exchanging sex for money between or among consenting adults is illegal. And you have yet to highlight or quote the specific passage that states the act of exchanging sex for money between or among consenting adults is illegal. We're not talking about this idea of publicly and openly soliciting it, forcing someone into doing it or procuring someone to do it for somene else. Or anyone other than consenting adults.

We're talking about consenting adults discretely discussing it, deciding to do it and going to a private room to do it.

That specific "Act of Prostitution" is simply not addressed in your list. Yet, it would be blissfully simple to find and post the words that say so.

Here is another place where those clear and simple words are never stated. You'll want to check out every section and word in Title IX:

[B]Criminal Law in Thailand[/B]

[URL]https://www.thailandlawonline.com/table-of-contents/criminal-law-translation-thailand-penal-code[/URL]

Again, if you find a statement anywhere in Title IX or elsewhere in that link that clearly states that the specific act of exchanging sex for money between or among consenting adults is illegal, please cite that section number and quote it exactly.

The same as in the list you posted, I have carefully read Title IX several times by now and the statement I am looking for is simply not there.

In fact, the entirety of The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act, The Penal Code Amendment Act and The Anti-Trafficking in Persons Act as shown in your list would scarcely be needed if elsewhere in your list, the Thai Penal Code or in the Criminal Law of Thailand link it simply said "Exchanging Sex For Money Is Illegal In Thailand. " But it doesn't.

There would then be no need to clarify or parse words about "public places and brothels. " Why no mention of hotel rooms, apartments, condos and houses? How about using the word "anywhere"?

The bit about anyone "subsisting on the earnings of a prostitute" or anything about "the recruitment, transfer, and exploitation of individuals for the purpose of forced prostitution" are addendum to the idea that have been in The Thai Penal Code for years. But none of that makes an otherwise unmentioned act of prostitution between or among consenting adults more illegal.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2969503]
Maybe Rocko20 cant but I can. You are wrong Philip Marlow. [/QUOTE]I frequently am, but not here. If you can cite something that states that it is illegal in the Kingdom for me to approach a woman and offer money for sex, and / or to consummate the act for pay, I would appreciate it. Because nothing you wrote comes close to stating that.

Even this summary doesn't say it.

[QUOTE]

1. The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act:

This Act prohibits both male and female prostitution in public places and brothels....

[/QUOTE]Nothing about prostitution in my condo, for example. Or the lady's apartment. Why does the law (purportedly, it's been years since I read it) mention specific places? If the law doesn't specifically say something is illegal then it isn't.

This is from the revised statutes from my state in the US- "A person commits the offense of prostitution if the person engages in, or agrees or offers to engage in, sexual conduct with another person in return for a fee or anything of value. ".

Nothing you've cited even approaches such language. Because it doesn't exist.

[QUOTE=Cornwall;2969242]$300. A night?

I'm staying at View Talay 6 this March for a week and am paying $61. Per night including fees and taxes for a high up room facing the beach to the south. Booked via Dancewatchers.[/QUOTE]Much cheaper to come to Pattaya in March than the peak of High Season. Even better to come in May, when the last tourists leave Pattaya, and the ladies are still in the bars, but will soon be heading home due to lack of customers.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2969233]I look at the lady drink as an interview for the job of boom boom. I don't particularly enjoy chatting with her, but it often helps in selecting the right lady. Sometimes I buy zero drinks (the Mr. E approach). Typically I buy 1 drink before I either accept or reject her. Rarely I buy 2 drinks for a single lady. Perhaps I bought 3 drinks in 2017. I've never bought 4 or more drinks for a lady. Reports of 10+ drinks seem crazy to me.[/QUOTE]It all boils down to the fact that gents are different. I could never sit with a girl for a few seconds and make the determination that she would provide good service. I could sit with her for a few seconds and decide right away that I am not interested in which case I would not buy a drink. However, if I have not so decided I would need a little more time and would not be comfortable sitting and chatting with the prospect in the proprietor's establishment without buying a drink. One drink is usually my maximum, rarely do I buy more.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2969499]Bottom line: Chinese New Year has no impact on mongering.[/QUOTE]I do not disagree with this point but reading his remark that isn't how I perceive his comment!

" Basically no one celebrate CYN except Chinese ".

Taking that comment I responded with my experience and that experience found it to be totally untrue! If I said or implied it affects Mongering I would gladly apologies but until I have evidence I did I hold form to my view.

[QUOTE=PhilipMarlow;2969561]I frequently am, but not here. If you can cite something that states that it is illegal in the Kingdom for me to approach a woman and offer money for sex, and / or to consummate the act for pay, I would appreciate it. Because nothing you wrote comes close to stating that.

Even this summary doesn't say it.

Nothing about prostitution in my condo, for example. Or the lady's apartment. Why does the law (purportedly, it's been years since I read it) mention specific places? If the law doesn't specifically say something is illegal then it isn't.

This is from the revised statutes from my state in the US- "A person commits the offense of prostitution if the person engages in, or agrees or offers to engage in, sexual conduct with another person in return for a fee or anything of value. ".

Nothing you've cited even approaches such language. Because it doesn't exist.[/QUOTE]The summary does not show every law. I posted the link to the law for a reason. I guess you were too lazy to look. I work in the legal profession in Thailand so I know and you don't know.

Here are all the laws form the act related to this. Further, this a bad translation. The Thai version is much clearer and leaves no room for doubt that prostitution is illegal in Thailand.

Section 5. Any person who, for the purpose of prostitution, [B]solicits[/B], induces, [B]Introduces herself or himself to[/B], follows or implores a person in a street or a public place, or [B]commits such acts in any other place[/B], in an open and shameful manner or causes nuisance to the public, shall be liable to a fine not exceeding one thousand baht.

Section 6. Any person who assembles in a prostitution establishment for the benefit of prostituting himself or herself or another person shall be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one month or to a fine not exceeding one thousand baht or both. If the offense under paragraph one is committed while being forced or being under such power which cannot be avoided or resisted, the offender is not guilty.

Section 7. Any person who advertises or agrees to advertise, induces or introduces by means of documents, printed materials, or distribute by any means to the public in a manner indicative of importunity or solicitation for the prostitution of himself, herself or another person shall be liable to imprisonment for a term of six months to two years or to a fine of ten thousand baht to forty thousand baht or to both.

[B]Section 9. Any person who PROCURES, seduces or takes any person to commit prostitution, even with his or her consent and irrespective of whether the various acts which constitute such an offense are committed within or outside the Kingdom, shall be liable to Imprisonment for a term of one to ten years and to a fine of twenty thousand to two hundred thousand baht. If the offense under paragraph one is committed against a person over fifteen, but not over eighteen years of age, the offender shall be liable to imprisonment of five to fifteen years and to a fine of one hundred thousand to three hundred thousand baht.[/B]

This covers public places, private places and bars and massage shops and so on. Section 7 would apply to Thai friendly as well, such as when the ladies write ST 1500 for example. Section 5 mentions or any other place so that would even include your home or condo. Section 9 is the blanket clause that puts the nail in there coffin for you. Procure means "buy".



You don't know so don't say. Read

This should close the topic now. Prostitution, while illegal in Thailand is tolerated until there is a reason to enforce the laws. End of story.

[QUOTE=PhilipMarlow;2969561]I frequently am, but not here. If you can cite something that states that it is illegal in the Kingdom for me to approach a woman and offer money for sex, and / or to consummate the act for pay, I would appreciate it. Because nothing you wrote comes close to stating that.

Even this summary doesn't say it.

Nothing about prostitution in my condo, for example. Or the lady's apartment. Why does the law (purportedly, it's been years since I read it) mention specific places? If the law doesn't specifically say something is illegal then it isn't.

This is from the revised statutes from my state in the US- "A person commits the offense of prostitution if the person engages in, or agrees or offers to engage in, sexual conduct with another person in return for a fee or anything of value. ".

Nothing you've cited even approaches such language. Because it doesn't exist.[/QUOTE]Take for example Dubai and Bahrein, two well known "mongering destinations " in the Gulf. Are you telling us that prostitution is not illegal there because there's no enforcement to stop all what is well known? Countries where, in principle, it is not accepted to show "love and affection in public'?

[QUOTE=PhilipMarlow;2969561]I frequently am, but not here. If you can cite something that states that it is illegal in the Kingdom for me to approach a woman and offer money for sex, and / or to consummate the act for pay, I would appreciate it. Because nothing you wrote comes close to stating that.

Even this summary doesn't say it.

Nothing about prostitution in my condo, for example. Or the lady's apartment. Why does the law (purportedly, it's been years since I read it) mention specific places? If the law doesn't specifically say something is illegal then it isn't.

This is from the revised statutes from my state in the US- "A person commits the offense of prostitution if the person engages in, or agrees or offers to engage in, sexual conduct with another person in return for a fee or anything of value. ".

Nothing you've cited even approaches such language. Because it doesn't exist.[/QUOTE]All that stuff about "procuring / pursuading, taking, etc", "in an open and shameful manner or causes nuisance to the public", "in a place of prostitution" and "associates with" doesn't cut it and can not even be proven.

Ok, if I walk up to any woman on the street, in a mall or in the cinema and ask her to come to my room to fuck for 1,000 baht or 10,000 baht, I could see that a nurse, school teacher, secretary, a judge or off-duty policeman or their girlfriend or wife who had no intention of ever engaging in prostitution and felt quite insulted by the question would, could and probably should lodge a complaint. So be careful about that. Wrong place, wrong time, wrong person.

Now, what if I ask her to come to my room to fuck with no mention of money at all? And if she says yes, after we fuck in my room I say, "Here's 2,000 baht to buy that purse I saw you checking out at the mall"? Or if that 2,000 baht topic came up as we entered my condo lobby before we fucked? Did anybody break the law here? Me, for making the offer, her, for saying "ok, thanks" or both if us? Imo, that is the round-about Thai way of saying just don't make it obvious to any bystanders, we are a holy kingdom.

They know such a legal concept can not be proven or enforced. There has never even been in the history of Thailand a "sting" operation complete with audio or video recording devices set up in order to bust someone for engaging in such a conversation and exchange. Nor has there been an idictment, trial and conviction for it for any political rival or national security threat personage for which the Kingdom would be motivated to bust and imprison for something, anything.

Are those Soi 6 bars now "places of prostitution and brothels"? I thought they were bars in the business of selling drinks, to party and meet new friends. Same with massage shops, gentleman's clubs and my hotel room. If the law defines and identifies those as "places of prostitution", they are going to have to explain why they were even open for business in order for people to "associate" with each other in them, whatever that means.

If there is a place of business that provides a line up of girls or boys, presents a menu of specific sex acts with a price next to each item and provides no other service such as massage, resting and relaxing, having a drink, karaoke singing or partying, then the cops might have a shot at rounding up everyone "associating" with people there and I might avoid entering it myself I suppose.

My hotel room or condo? She didn't "procure / pursuade or take" me anywhere to have sex for money nor vice versa. I wanted to show her the lovely etching in my room. Again, anything more than that is unprovable and unenforceable.

These Codes and Addendums are written in the typically Thai fashion where they hope it "looks" to someone not particularly detail-oriented that they are saying "Prostitution, the exchange of sex for money, between or among consenting adults, is illegal" when it really doesn't say any such thing and would take less than 10 clear and unambiguous words to say so.

[QUOTE=PassionSR;2969392]No, it isn't. Actively profiting from someone else's prostitution is illegal, that's why there's so many loopholes. But the act of buying / selling sex itself is totally legal.

Because they fit the beauty standard far better, because they are culturally way more popular at the moment and because they are far less demanding and aggressive in the bedroom. They're fine with a few minutes of sex a lot of the time and don't watch the clock. Most westerners want to get every last bit of value out of the experience and make the women suck their dick or bend over for lengthy periods of time. Westerners being penny pinchers plays somewhat of a part, but it's a bit of an exaggeration to attribute all of that to someone buying a drink more at the bar.[/QUOTE]Finally someone else with a brain on here. Thanks for the input.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2969580]The summary does not show every law. I posted the link to the law for a reason. I guess you were too lazy to look. I work in the legal profession in Thailand so I know and you don't know.

Here are all the laws form the act related to this. Further, this a bad translation. The Thai version is much clearer and leaves no room for doubt that prostitution is illegal in Thailand.

Section 5. Any person who, for the purpose of prostitution, [B]solicits[/B], induces, [B]Introduces herself or himself to[/B], follows or implores a person in a street or a public place, or [B]commits such acts in any other place[/B], in an open and shameful manner or causes nuisance to the public, shall be liable to a fine not exceeding one thousand baht.

Section 6. Any person who assembles in a prostitution establishment for the benefit of prostituting himself or herself or another person shall be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one month or to a fine not exceeding one thousand baht or both. If the offense under paragraph one is committed while being forced or being under such power which cannot be avoided or resisted, the offender is not guilty.

Section 7. Any person who advertises or agrees to advertise, induces or introduces by means of documents, printed materials, or distribute by any means to the public in a manner indicative of importunity or solicitation for the prostitution of himself, herself or another person shall be liable to imprisonment for a term of six months to two years or to a fine of ten thousand baht to forty thousand baht or to both.

[B]Section 9. Any person who PROCURES, seduces or takes any person to commit prostitution, even with his or her consent and irrespective of whether the various acts which constitute such an offense are committed within or outside the Kingdom, shall be liable to Imprisonment for a term of one to ten years and to a fine of twenty thousand to two hundred thousand baht. If the offense under paragraph one is committed against a person over fifteen, but not over eighteen years of age, the offender shall be liable to imprisonment of five to fifteen years and to a fine of one hundred thousand to three hundred thousand baht.[/B]

This covers public places, private places and bars and massage shops and so on. Section 7 would apply to Thai friendly as well, such as when the ladies write ST 1500 for example. Section 5 mentions or any other place so that would even include your home or condo. Section 9 is the blanket clause that puts the nail in there coffin for you. Procure means "buy".



You don't know so don't say. Read

This should close the topic now. Prostitution, while illegal in Thailand is tolerated until there is a reason to enforce the laws. End of story.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Here are all the laws form the act related to this. Further, this a bad translation. The Thai version is much clearer and leaves no room for doubt that prostitution is illegal in Thailand.

Section 5. Any person who, for the purpose of prostitution, solicits, induces, Introduces herself or himself to, follows or implores a person in a street or a public place, or commits such acts in any other place, [b]in an open and shameful manner or causes nuisance to the public[/b], shall be liable to a fine not exceeding one thousand baht.[/QUOTE]The qualifier I highlighted has been on the books, well-inderstood and occasionally enforced for years. But it still doesn't say the act of exchanging sex for money between consenting adults is illegal.

[QUOTE][b]Section 9. Any person who PROCURES, seduces or takes any person to commit prostitution, even with his or her consent and irrespective of whether the various acts which constitute such an offense are committed within or outside the Kingdom, shall be liable to Imprisonment for a term of one to ten years and to a fine of twenty thousand to two hundred thousand baht. If the offense under paragraph one is committed against a person over fifteen, but not over eighteen years of age, the offender shall be liable to imprisonment of five to fifteen years and to a fine of one hundred thousand to three hundred thousand baht.[/b][/QUOTE]"PROCURES, seduces or takes", "within or outside the Kingdom" indicates that Section is clearly talking about pimps or mamasans recruiting girls to work as prostitutes somewhere, anywhere, in or outside of Thailand.

You can't really be saying that Section is referring to a customer and a working girl or boy agreeing lo have sex in a hotel room or condo. If so, then why did they mysteriously drop the word "solicits" in that Section, which would have eliminated the need to say anything about procuring, seducing or taking? I submit because they are talking about Recruiters, not customers. The words they use are speficially what Recruiters do when they have no intention of engaging in the exchange of sex for money with anyone, just intending to Recruit new girls.

In all your years purportedly involved in the legal profession in Thailand have you ever met someone who was busted for doing what I described between an ordinary customer and a prostitute and spent so much as a day in prison for it, much less a year? Have you even met someone who met someone who did such a thing?

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2969580]The summary does not show every law. I posted the link to the law for a reason. I guess you were too lazy to look. I work in the legal profession in Thailand so I know and you don't know.

Here are all the laws form the act related to this. Further, this a bad translation. The Thai version is much clearer and leaves no room for doubt that prostitution is illegal in Thailand.

Section 5. Any person who, for the purpose of prostitution, [B]solicits[/B], induces, [B]Introduces herself or himself to[/B], follows or implores a person in a street or a public place, or [B]commits such acts in any other place[/B], in an open and shameful manner or causes nuisance to the public, shall be liable to a fine not exceeding one thousand baht.

You don't know so don't say. Read

This should close the topic now. Prostitution, while illegal in Thailand is tolerated until there is a reason to enforce the laws. End of story.[/QUOTE]One would think a summary would quote relevant sections, except if there are no relevant sections to quote. Then, in order to hide the fact that there are none, include as much irrelevant information as possible. Minors, third parties, public places??

And you're doing it again. I can read well, so I'm not overwhelmed by the number of words you included, irrelevant though they are. The only thing you've included that comes close is Section 5. And that has a purposeful out. If those things are done- "in an open and shameful manner or causes nuisance to the public. " Sorry, your dramatic "nail in the coffin" flopped.

You work in the legal profession. (I have no idea why that is relevant.) Why are there qualifiers in that section?

Why include Section 6? Who's asking about about establishments?

Why include Section 7? Advertisements?

Why section 9? Pimping?

It's simple. The question is- Is it illegal in Thailand for me to ask a woman in my condo if she will have sex with me in exchange for money, and consummate the act? I. e. , prostitution. In my state, it is clearly against the law. No ambiguity, no irrelevancy.

Either show me where in Thai law is says that it is, or stop.

Ok, the translation is bad. Please show the Thai version and I will get it translated. Because nothing here comes close to making your point.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2969588]Take for example Dubai and Bahrein, two well known "mongering destinations " in the Gulf. Are you telling us that prostitution is not illegal there because there's no enforcement to stop all what is well known? Countries where, in principle, it is not accepted to show "love and affection in public'?[/QUOTE]I didn't say anything about enforcement. The question is- Is prostitution illegal in Thailand? Whether a law is enforced or not doesn't change its legality.

[QUOTE=PhilipMarlow;2969614]I didn't say anything about enforcement. The question is- Is prostitution illegal in Thailand? Whether a law is enforced or not doesn't change its legality.[/QUOTE]Well we know it is not legal to offer it online.

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[QUOTE=PhilipMarlow;2969613]One would think a summary would quote relevant sections, except if there are no relevant sections to quote. Then, in order to hide the fact that there are none, include as much irrelevant information as possible. Minors, third parties, public places??

And you're doing it again. I can read well, so I'm not overwhelmed by the number of words you included, irrelevant though they are. The only thing you've included that comes close is Section 5. And that has a purposeful out. If those things are done- "in an open and shameful manner or causes nuisance to the public. " Sorry, your dramatic "nail in the coffin" flopped.

You work in the legal profession. (I have no idea why that is relevant.) Why are there qualifiers in that section?

Why include Section 6? Who's asking about about establishments?

Why include Section 7? Advertisements?

Why section 9? Pimping?

It's simple. The question is- Is it illegal in Thailand for me to ask a woman in my condo if she will have sex with me in exchange for money, and consummate the act? I. e. , prostitution. In my state, it is clearly against the law. No ambiguity, no irrelevancy.

Either show me where in Thai law is says that it is, or stop.

Ok, the translation is bad. Please show the Thai version and I will get it translated. Because nothing here comes close to making your point.[/QUOTE]I just wanted to mention here that I have also been making these same points and raising the same questions but since my post submissions are held for quite some time for moderation they have not been posted yet even though I submitted them before yours and others' showed up here.

Just my apology in advance for what might seem like an annoying repetition of what you and perhaps others are submitting and getting posted way sooner than my submissions are getting posted. If they get posted at all, that is.

And I suspect now that these holes in the argument are being laid bare by so many and so effectively, "somebody" will request all of it be moved to another forum, where very few here will ever see them. As happened before.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2969503]Y
You are wrong. Prostitution is clearly illegal as well as profiting from it. My colleagues at Siam legal summarize it very nicely here. If you don't know, don't say. The reason you think it's legal is because it is not enforced in many situations, but the laws are clear. Prostitution is illegal in Pattaya and everywhere in Thailand.

Please read.

[/QUOTE]Prostitution is illegal in Thailand but obviously a big driver of tourism. I don't see what the average punter does as risky from that perspective. However Farang bar owners and managers are probably putting themselves in significant legal risk or at the very least subject themselves to major shakedowns. Why any farang would do that and risk being put in a Thai jail is beyond me. On top of that some of them even have You Tube channels promoting their illegal businesses which seems to be the height of recklessness. It all works until one day the government changes, the US puts some pressure or other reason and it all crumbles.

Based on recommendations from the Board I tried to book Mike's Taxi to get me from BKK to Pattaya. I filled out their online booking and added all the details and contact info and heard nothing back. The morning I was leaving MNL I wrote again and begged for a response (I was arriving BKK in the evening). Crickets. Perhaps I booked too late and they were full, but in that business they really need to get back to the customer and let them know that.

There was no time to prebook anyone else so I figured I'd take Grab or Bolt. I've used Grab extensively in. The PI (never a problem) but was new to Bolt. I read that it's more popular in Thailand so when I saw a good price I booked it. (1046 baht). On his way to me the "driver" texted me that the tolls are additional, I said "okay, but I only have big bills". (I now believe it was a Manager texting me). Guy arrives and he knows my name and hotel sio my bags go in. The back and I am in. The car when he tells me I need to Cancel the ride in the App and pay cash. I didn't like that, but asked "hoe much?" he said 1400 baht. I showed him. The Bolt page that clearly said 1046 baht. So he called his manager who texted me that it is cash only and I need to cancel the ride. I texted back that that was unacceptable. After some back and forth in Thai the driver says "1200 baht, okay? I say that includes tolls?" he says yes, and realizing I don't want to get my bags out and start this all over I agree. (It's not a terrible price, but it's not the deal I made.). We take off at high speed, hen I get a message from Bolt that "The Driver has cancelled your ride because he couldn't locate you. " That's when I realize that I'm off the grid as far as Bolt is concerned. They have wiped my ride off their App like it never happened, yet I'm in the car. - he could take me anywhere. I start tracking on Google Maps and we are going the right way, but the driver is driving like a maniac and vaping which adds a film noir quality to my first view of nighttime Thailand. Not a pleasant start. Funny thing is when I was paying the guy at my hotel (I waited until I was out of the car in the light with the bellman there) I double checked with the driver that he had change for my second 1000 baht note. He took great offense. "Thai honest people. Thai no lie. " Hunh? You just scammed me.

Welcome to Thailand;.

[QUOTE=ErrolFlynn;2969672]I double checked with the driver that he had change for my second 1000 baht note. He took great offense. "Thai honest people. Thai no lie. " Hunh? You just scammed me.

Welcome to Thailand;.[/QUOTE]He didn't really scam you. The app said 1046. Tolls are 105, for a total of 1151 You paid 1200. A lot of people contact those services like Mikes Taxi and pay 1500 up to 2000. My girlfriend charges 1800 for that ride because her truck uses diesel instead of the cheaper natural gas other vehicles use.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2969619]Well we know it is not legal to offer it online.

[URL]https://aseannow.us12.list-manage.com/track/click?u=1080ef7ae50b8923f9ea4d547&id=60027d4eb9&e=56b8e2c51e[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]The operation was initiated following information that Mr John (not his real name) was using a public website to advertise illicit services. Acting on this intelligence, detectives crafted a plan using an undercover operative.[/QUOTE]Was he busted for "engaging in" illicit services, as in Sex in Exchange For Money? The report does not say so. It says he was "advertizing" illicit services. Perhaps not even involving himself. I would even say probably not involving himself.

Nobody here has been arguing that it is legal to "advertize" for Sex For Pay services. Instead, we have all been in agreement that the Thai Penal Code and all Addendums have been quite clear about that kind of thing being illegal.

[QUOTE=ErrolFlynn;2969672]Based on recommendations from the Board I tried to book Mike's Taxi to get me from BKK to Pattaya. I filled out their online booking and added all the details and contact info and heard nothing back. The morning I was leaving MNL I wrote again and begged for a response (I was arriving BKK in the evening). Crickets. Perhaps I booked too late and they were full, but in that business they really need to get back to the customer and let them know that.


They have wiped my ride off their App like it never happened, yet I'm in the car. - he could take me anywhere. I start tracking on Google Maps and we are He took great offense. "Thai honest people. Thai no lie. " Hunh? You just scammed me.

Welcome to Thailand;.[/QUOTE]
The lesson out of this is you should have cross checked with a Mike taxi about your booking. I use Nam Taxi services, book weeks ahead, get a confirmation straight back and 24 hrs prior the ride they send me a reconfirmarion, name, photo and phone no, of the driver as well as photo of the car with visible number plate. Once in my departure airport I send a WA to the driver with a selfie of myself so they see what shirt I wear on arrival.
PS I hope you reported to Bolt what happened.

Smooth as silk.

[QUOTE=PhilipMarlow;2969614]I didn't say anything about enforcement. The question is- Is prostitution illegal in Thailand? Whether a law is enforced or not doesn't change its legality.[/QUOTE]From time to time, MIB takes rides in town to check what happens in bar and streets and the proud report is "we didn't find any sign of prostitution".

Why do they announce that if it is not illegal? No LE will make pride of checks about non illegal activities. Driving through red traffic lights is illegal, so police will give stats about the fins on that offence. Not that they checked people driving through green lights.

Why from time to time they arrest ladies and Lb's charging them for. Prostitution?

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2969728]From time to time, MIB takes rides in town to check what happens in bar and streets and the proud report is "we didn't find any sign of prostitution".

Why do they announce that if it is not illegal? No LE will make pride of checks about non illegal activities. Driving through red traffic lights is illegal, so police will give stats about the fins on that offence. Not that they checked people driving through green lights.

Why from time to time they arrest ladies and Lb's charging them for. Prostitution?[/QUOTE]When they say, " We didn't find any sign of prostitution" or "We didn't find any evidence of prostitution" they mean exactly those words. They are indeed looking for "signs" or "evidence" of prostitution. Because there are specific, clear and unambiguous laws against producing public signs and evidence of Sex For Sale publicly, openly and shamefully.

They don't give a damn if every consenting adult man and woman on the soi, employed in a bar or not, has or will within 15 minutes actually engage in an act of sex for money behind closed doors. Because there is literally no law against that.

However, producing "signs" or "evidence" of it being made availble as though it is a legimate commercial enterprise will tarnish the image of the Kingdom or in some way create a public nuisance for nearby businesses and by-passers.

There is literally no law specifically forbidding consenting adults from discretely exchanging sex for money. However, there ARE laws specifically forbidding advertising, flaunting or engaging in it publicly, openly and shamefully.

Where have you read reports of LB and female Freelancers being arrested and charged with the crime of prostitution?

As Mr. Enternational mentioned in a previous post, those sweeps are usually for loitering, creating a public nuisance and so on, not for being prostitutes or for having engaged in prostitution. Again, the specific words and details of these incidents and cases matter.

He also mentioned prostitutes can and sometimes will go the the cops to complain about being ripped off by a customer who got the service and refused to pay, whereupon presumably the cops will go with her back to wherever the customer can be found, probably his hotel room, and get it all worked out. Hardly the thing a cop would do if what she had engaged in was illegal. And I doubt all those cops are on some Freelancer network payroll for just such an occasion.

Full disclosure, I have not personally known any prostitute who has ever done that. But I have heard of it happening from expats in addition to Mr. Enternational.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2969728]From time to time, MIB takes rides in town to check what happens in bar and streets and the proud report is "we didn't find any sign of prostitution".

Why do they announce that if it is not illegal? No LE will make pride of checks about non illegal activities. Driving through red traffic lights is illegal, so police will give stats about the fins on that offence. Not that they checked people driving through green lights.

Why from time to time they arrest ladies and Lb's charging them for. Prostitution?[/QUOTE]There are many things linked to prostitution in Thailand that are illegal, including in certain cases, the act itself. As shown in ETs posts on this, pimping in illegal. (Section 9 below) Soliciting prostitution is illegal, IF it is done in "an an open and shameful manner or causes nuisance to the public. " (Section 5).

Advertising it is illegal. Certain acts in prostitution establishments are illegal. And on and on.

Those are things the police are looking for. The arrests are, presumably, for violations of these sections.

This is not what the discussion is about. Many people like to parrot other people, who themselves are wrong. They're not interested in whether or not what they say is actually true. Everyone who makes the blanket statement that prostitution is illegal in Thailand is wrong.

If prostitution itself was illegal, the law would just say that, as the law in my home state does.

The following is the Thai law regarding murder:

TITLE X.

OFFENCE AGAINST LIFE AND BODY.

Details.

Chapter 1: Offence Causing Death.

Section 288. Murder.

Whoever, murdering the other person, shall be imprisoned by death or imprisoned as from fifteen years to twenty years.

That's it. Is the act of murder illegal in the Kingdom? Yes it is. See Title X, Chapter 1, Section 288. Now somewhere in the penal code murder will be defined, but notice there are no qualifiers, nothing about- only if done in a certain manner in a certain place, committed upon a person of a certain age, etc.

Is the act of prostitution illegal in the Kingdom? Show me the statute that declares it is.

[QUOTE=PhilipMarlow;2969760]Everyone who makes the blanket statement that prostitution is illegal in Thailand is wrong.

If prostitution itself was illegal, the law would just say that, as the law in my home state does.[/QUOTE]Except that this is Thailand. How is one supposed to procure a legal prostitute if every avenue to obtain one seems to be illegal?

[QUOTE=PhilipMarlow;2969760]There are many things linked to prostitution in Thailand that are illegal, including in certain cases, the act itself. As shown in ETs posts on this, pimping in illegal. (Section 9 below) Soliciting prostitution is illegal, IF it is done in "an an open and shameful manner or causes nuisance to the public. " (Section 5).

Advertising it is illegal. Certain acts in prostitution establishments are illegal. And on and on.

Those are things the police are looking for. The arrests are, presumably, for violations of these sections.

This is not what the discussion is about. Many people like to parrot other people, who themselves are wrong. They're not interested in whether or not what they say is actually true. Everyone who makes the blanket statement that prostitution is illegal in Thailand is wrong.

If prostitution itself was illegal, the law would just say that, as the law in my home state does.

The following is the Thai law regarding murder:

TITLE X.

OFFENCE AGAINST LIFE AND BODY.

Details.

Chapter 1: Offence Causing Death.

Section 288. Murder.

Whoever, murdering the other person, shall be imprisoned by death or imprisoned as from fifteen years to twenty years.

That's it. Is the act of murder illegal in the Kingdom? Yes it is. See Title X, Chapter 1, Section 288. Now somewhere in the penal code murder will be defined, but notice there are no qualifiers, nothing about- only if done in a certain manner in a certain place, committed upon a person of a certain age, etc.

Is the act of prostitution illegal in the Kingdom? Show me the statute that declares it is.[/QUOTE]Sometimes I will hear or read something on the order of, "I have a friend who is a cop and he says blah blah blah" about prostitution or whatever.

Well, let me tell you that I have an in-law who is a Thai cop, I might have personally interacted with more different Thai police and Men In Btown than most westerners over the years and the fact is they are not always the sharpest knife in the drawer even about the law.

One example; I ride an electric bicycle around town that looks a bit like a real motor scooter but on the slightest closer inspection is clearly a bicycle and not a motorcycle. It has bicycle pedals. It would be closer to a circus clown small size motorcycle than a real one. Any policeman or MIB should be able to tell the difference between what I am driving and a full size motorcycle within 5 seconds of moderate inspection.

Yet I have been pulled over or stopped on the sidewalk while walking that bike at least 10 times by either 1 or more policeman or 1 or more MIB requesting to see my motorcycle drivers license, my registration, asking where is my helmet, etc, none of which is required to ride a bicycle, electric or not, in Thailand.

You might suspect they are just hassling me as a westerner, trying to shake me down for a payoff or "out of court" settlement. But all I can say is it never really goes there and it has happened even when I have had a Thai girlfriend passenger with me, a situation I have to think is not the best for them to assume I will just hand them 2,000 baht to let me go on my way.

The interaction has never escalated to that point and I have never paid anyone so much as a baht to get "early release". But it often did take several minutes for me to explain to these police agents and traffic rule enforcers the difference between a bicycle and a motorcycle, why this vehicle has bicycle pedals, how many Watts of power Thai law uses to determine whether the two-wheel vehicle must be regarded as a motorcycle and therefore the driver must obey all license, registration and helmet requirements for a motorcycle (500 Watts, BTW), etc.

I would think with as many electric bicycles and electric full size motorcycles as these folks are seeing and encountering in their job over the past few years that they would know these things by now.

But no.

Most of the time they have to look it up on their government-issued smartphone or tablet to discover I am telling them the truth and something they never knew before. They just saw a two-wheeled motor-powered vehicle and thought, "motorcycle. " Beyond that they hadn't given it much thought.

And even after they looked it up they would call over a supervisor to verify what they just read in their online handbook, perhaps for the first time really paying attention to the exact words, was true.

So just because a cop says something like "prostitution is illegal in Thailand" because he remembers reading the part in the Code about how many years someone might spend in prison for doing it with a minor or he recalls that Royal Edict from a few years ago that mentioned something about "procuring" and "taking" a girl from her province to work as a prostitute somewhere in or outside of Thailand or because his buddies are always looking for open and shameful "evidence" of it in public places, that does not mean he has ever fully understood why neither he nor any of his buddies has ever been assigned to knock on hotel and apartment doors to interrogate 30 year old suspected hookers and their 60 year old suspected customers about whether or not any money was exchanged for the fucking they just did or are about to do.

Sure, maybe a passage from the Thai Penal Code or another officially enforceable addendum to it will eventually show up with the exact words necessary to make it illegal at all times anywhere in the Kingfom and with anyone no matter how discretely it has been agreed to and engaged in. Anything is possible in Thailand. But those exact words are going to shake the fabric of life in Thailand for all but the monks and probably for a few of them as well. And I have not yet seen them.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2969624]I just wanted to mention here that I have also been making these same points and raising the same questions but since my post submissions are held for quite some time for moderation they have not been posted yet even though I submitted them before yours and others' showed up here.

Just my apology in advance for what might seem like an annoying repetition of what you and perhaps others are submitting and getting posted way sooner than my submissions are getting posted. If they get posted at all, that is.

And I suspect now that these holes in the argument are being laid bare by so many and so effectively, "somebody" will request all of it be moved to another forum, where very few here will ever see them. As happened before.[/QUOTE]Weird, I just saw your posts. You make some very good points. But as far as the argument are being laid bare by so many and so effectively, I don't think that will sway too many others. Some are, without any evidence, convinced it's illegal, and nothing will change their minds. No big deal, it's really only an academic argument anyway.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2969778]Except that this is Thailand. How is one supposed to procure a legal prostitute if every avenue to obtain one seems to be illegal?[/QUOTE]Based on what we have read here so far just avoid going into a shop or club that presents absolutely zero deniable pretense that it exists for any purpose other than to provide Sex In Exchange For Money. You know, big sign outside saying something like "Fucks and Blowjobs For Sale Here. Please Step Inside", there are no drinks or snacks to buy, not so much as a neck massage on the menu, no flat-screen tvs with sports events playing, no place to sit and relax, only cots in curtained cubicles. That kind of place.

Now, you might be skirting the written law more than most with your method of barely entering a Soi 6 or Walking Street Bar to buy a drink or anything else, massage shop, Beach Road and so on and simply stand outside on the actual soi to choose a girl to have sex for money. Depending on how loud your voices are when you ask and if or when she counters with her first quote. Just keep your voice down when you ask and "shush" her if she loudly shouts back a number from now on. Hehe.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2969778]Except that this is Thailand. How is one supposed to procure a legal prostitute if every avenue to obtain one seems to be illegal?[/QUOTE]Easy. In a non-prostitution place, ask a lady if she's a WG. Don't do it both openly and shamelessly, (per basic legal construction, you can do it either openly or shamelessly, but not both) and don't create a nuisance to the public (Section 5 of the act) and you're good to go. If she is, start the negotiations.

There are other ways, actually quite a few other ways I'll bet, but that's one.

Actually, the law has even more outs for punters. The definition of prostitution includes the clause that the act has to be done in a "promiscuous manner. " It doesn't define promiscuous, but it's a requirement, and if it's not done that way, it's not legally prostitution.

As you said, and as Bernard Trink used to write, TIT.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2969678]He didn't really scam you. The app said 1046. Tolls are 105, for a total of 1151 You paid 1200. A lot of people contact those services like Mikes Taxi and pay 1500 up to 2000. My girlfriend charges 1800 for that ride because her truck uses diesel instead of the cheaper natural gas other vehicles use.[/QUOTE]I didn't say the fee was unreasonable (although Mike's quotes 1000 baht) but he still scammed me by taking me off of the App, refusing my Credit Card which was how I wished to pay for it, and originally trying to get 1400 out of me. I had to put up a stink. If that isn't a rip off scam I don 't know what is. I would have paid the tolls plus the 1046 baht, been happy, and probably tipped him, but others should be aware of this stunt. I choose rideshare so that I don't just get a random driver. Never had this happen on Grab, but maybe it would in BKK, I don't know.

The transportation company that I use charges 1600 THB for the Pattaya to BKK trip. The are consistent. The owner sends me the information on the driver and the vehicle before they arrive. My personal safety is worth WAY more than a 200 - 500 THB difference. Goes back to what I have to say about the financial situation of many of the [B]International Tricks[/B] posting up in here. Especially the ones that have something to say about how I spend my money.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2969526]As for 35,000 baht night at the bar, that's what I remember you posting.[/QUOTE]Not even close to what I have ever spent in a bar.

So I was out last night with friends and there friends and it was interesting first stop was Queens they like it but barked when I told them the bar fine is 3000 because it's a Saturday. So then we went to Soi pothole because one of the guys has a "friend" that works there. We went to a bar or a gentleman's club with XOXO on it I tried googling it but it didn't come up. It's new and I'd been there once before and quickly left. What happened in this bar is why everything is ymmv in terms on the quality of chicks that available in any given place. What I mean is 3 of the four guys I was with were just fawning over a chick that I thought was in her fifties turn out she was 44 but I thought she was lying. She had an old face and no ass just horrible looking.

The final stop was Kink I reluctantly came along as I don't like Kink or windmill I think there lame and the chicks are ugly. The one good thing going for the place is the barfine is only 1000 baht and my buddies got quotes of 2 and 3 k st respectively.

[QUOTE=PhilipMarlow;2969760]There are many things linked to prostitution in Thailand that are illegal, including in certain cases, the act itself. As shown in ETs posts on this, pimping in illegal. (Section 9 below) Soliciting prostitution is illegal, IF it is done in "an an open and shameful manner or causes nuisance to the public. " (Section 5).

Advertising it is illegal. Certain acts in prostitution establishments are illegal. And on and on.

Those are things the police are looking for. The arrests are, presumably, for violations of these sections.

This is not what the discussion is about. Many people like to parrot other people, who themselves are wrong. They're not interested in whether or not what they say is actually true. Everyone who makes the blanket statement that prostitution is illegal in Thailand is wrong.

If prostitution itself was illegal, the law would just say that, as the law in my home state does.

The following is the Thai law regarding murder:

TITLE X.

OFFENCE AGAINST LIFE AND BODY.

Details.

Chapter 1: Offence Causing Death.

Section 288. Murder.

Whoever, murdering the other person, shall be imprisoned by death or imprisoned as from fifteen years to twenty years.

That's it. Is the act of murder illegal in the Kingdom? Yes it is. See Title X, Chapter 1, Section 288. Now somewhere in the penal code murder will be defined, but notice there are no qualifiers, nothing about- only if done in a certain manner in a certain place, committed upon a person of a certain age, etc.

Is the act of prostitution illegal in the Kingdom? Show me the statute that declares it is.[/QUOTE]You mean I won't get 6 months added to my sentence and 5,000 baht added to my fine if I commit murder openly AND shamelessly on Soi 6 rather than discretely in the privacy of my hotel room or condo? Ha. Good to know.

On the long delayed posting of my message submissions on this site that you and I alluded to in previous posts, it turns out that when my submitted messages do eventually get posted there is an effort to place them in the thread chronologically according to the day, time or point in the thread where they were quoting someone. That is why you did not see a post of mine 1-2 pages back yesterday but it suddenly appeared 2-3 pages back today and you might not have known they had been posted at all.

And on the idea that these "legal vs illegal" discussions are only or mostly academic anyway, I tend to feel it is important to know either way. A punter who thinks what he is doing is illegal and putting him at risk of spending a year or more in a Thai prison is apt to pay and tip a lot more than necessary or perhaps ask for and expect less quality service and Value For Money just to keep in everyone's good graces and, in a worst case scenario, from allowing himself to be the target of a shake down and bribery. Over nothing.

Operating on the false assumption that the basic act without all the qualifiers in this hobby is illegal in Thailand when it is not can't be good for the punter or the market. And if it can be shown and proven that it is illegal then that is very important info to have as well.

That is regardless whether or not anyone cares or anyone's mind is changed based solely on the sentiment of the few who post vs the many who only lurk, read and learn.

Quick update from my trip.

Russian clip joints:

Decided to peak inside a few of them to see if anything has changed and they're just as worthless as they've always been. 500 baht for a beer, 1000 baht for a lady drink, 10,000 baht for a shower (no sex). Ugly strippers. Many of the "Russian" ladies begging for lady drinks are not even scantily clad or half naked, they're fully clothed so there is zero point to visit these scam joints.

Discos:

Panda: Loud as hell, not for the faint of heart, largely chinese only club but plenty of fair skinned freelance stunners if you can stomach the intense environment.

Republic: same as Panda, but a few more westerners. I saw several decent freelancers but was with a WG at the time. Cool enough to revisit.

Insomnia / Ibar: I could not find a damn thing in here. Nothing notable at all but I do like eating at The Diner.

808: Only worth it if you like fat chicks. I've been going to 808 daily on the off chance I see something good, but more times than not its not the case.

Beach road: I generally despise beach roach but I had some free time and found a decent freelancer. She wanted 1500ST, which I was fine with because she had some nice natural knockers. She said "condom everything" but was fine with a bareback blowjob.

Gogos:

I only went to shark yesterday, barfined a decent stunner for ST and ended up spending the rest of the night with her as a GFE. She told me she has to sell 6 drinks or pay the difference (she said its different for salary workers), said pre-covid the money was flowing, now post covid people don't spend money. She said Chinese people are mainly the ones still spending money in the WS go-gos, followed by Americans / Europeans in lower numbers. She said Indians do not spend money in WS gogos as well as local Thai men.

Soapy massages:

Decided not to go on this trip.

Dating apps / bumble / tinder:

Could not find anything I liked.

Indian clubs:

I counted atleast 6 of them on WS. Not worth it for mongering. Too many heavy makeup, middle aged, pushup bra, single mother, overcharging Thai WGs and Azerbaijan women. But good to visit if you want to see something new.

Overall its been a solid trip. I had some good bar girls as well as freelancers.

[QUOTE=PhilipMarlow;2969302]Can you cite anything that supports that statement?[/QUOTE]Yes, thai law:

"The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act, established in 1996, explicitly forbids prostitution in public places and brothels. It introduces fines for providing sexual services, deeming prostitution illegal. Notably, penalties for sex workers are reduced, while those overseeing brothels face punishment. The Penal Code, while not explicitly labeling prostitution as illegal, does penalize those profiting from a prostitute's earnings. ".

[URL]https://www.siam-legal.com/thailand-law/is-prostitution-legal-in-thailand/[/URL]

The difference is that its not enforced at all, or else every go-go bar, BJ bar, beer bar, LK metro, soi 6, soapy massage, etc would be shutdown tomorrow. The only thing left would be discos.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2969910]Yes, thai law:

"The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act, established in 1996, explicitly forbids prostitution in public places and brothels. It introduces fines for providing sexual services, deeming prostitution illegal. Notably, penalties for sex workers are reduced, while those overseeing brothels face punishment. The Penal Code, while not explicitly labeling prostitution as illegal, does penalize those profiting from a prostitute's earnings. ".

[URL]https://www.siam-legal.com/thailand-law/is-prostitution-legal-in-thailand/[/URL]

The difference is that its not enforced at all, or else every go-go bar, BJ bar, beer bar, LK metro, soi 6, soapy massage, etc would be shutdown tomorrow. The only thing left would be discos.[/QUOTE]That law firm link references The Prevention and Supression of Prostitution Act and "summarizes" it as in your quote. But, aside from the question of whether or not that Act is enforceable, we have seen the actual wording of the Act here and it does not specifically state what that law firm grandly announces that it states.

I can see that the 1996 Act was hoping to "Prevent" and "Supress" prostitution by largely re-stating an array of qualifiers that have been present in the Thai Penal Code for years and years. However, despite that law firm's claim, it does nothing to affirm or confirm that the act of exchanging sex for money among consenting adults without all those qualifiers present is "illegal" or "a crime".

I give them a dubious credit for trying though.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2969778]Except that this is Thailand. How is one supposed to procure a legal prostitute if every avenue to obtain one seems to be illegal?[/QUOTE]There should be a topic called "Is Prostitution Legal in Thailand?" since this discussion happens every few months and serves to confuse everyone.

Bottom line: there is virtually zero chance of a monger being arrested for prostitution in Thailand. Or a lady.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2969910]Yes, thai law:
[/QUOTE]So no.

Nothing you cited specifically says that or implies it at all. There's pages worth of debunking exactly what you just said that supposedly ties prositution itself to being illegal. Just because pimping, trafficking and public disorder through indecency is illegal, does not mean prositution is illegal.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2969915]That law firm link references The Prevention and Supression of Prostitution Act and "summarizes" it as in your quote. But, aside from the question of whether or not that Act is enforceable, we have seen the actual wording of the Act here and it does not specifically state what that law firm grandly announces that it states.

I can see that the 1996 Act was hoping to "Prevent" and "Supress" prostitution by largely re-stating an array of qualifiers that have been present in the Thai Penal Code for years and years. However, despite that law firm's claim, it does nothing to affirm or confirm that the act of exchanging sex for money among consenting adults without all those qualifiers present is "illegal" or "a crime".

I give them a dubious credit for trying though.[/QUOTE]Below is a specific quote from the very website stating that prostitution is illegal.

"The Penal Code, while not explicitly labeling prostitution as illegal, does penalize those profiting from a prostitute's earnings."

Here they say prostituion is not illegal.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2969924]Bottom line: there is virtually zero chance of a monger being arrested for prostitution in Thailand. Or a lady.[/QUOTE]If that changes, the entire tourist economy also changes. My typical trip to Thailand probably costs about $16,000 for 6 weeks. Perhaps $4,000 on P4P plus $12,000 on hotels, food, taxi, tours, airlines, 7-11, mall purchases, etc. I'm sure Thai government realizes that P4P draws a lot of international tourists, but most money is spent in more traditional hospitality businesses. I expect hassle free P4P to continue for years to come.

[QUOTE=PassionSR;2969941]So no.

Nothing you cited specifically says that or implies it at all. There's pages worth of debunking exactly what you just said that supposedly ties prositution itself to being illegal. Just because pimping, trafficking and public disorder through indecency is illegal, does not mean prositution is illegal.[/QUOTE]I disagree, and multiple sources disagree with you.

"Prostitution is illegal in Thailand, but the laws are ambiguous and often unenforced. As a result, red-light districts, massage parlors, go-go bars, and sex-focused karaoke bars are common sights. Sex work in Thailand is a significant economic incentive for many citizens, especially rural, unskilled women with financial burdens. ".
[URL]https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-where-prostitution-is-legal[/URL]

Someone asked for sources and I provided multiple sources.

Four Africans held for prostitution in Phuket.
[url]https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2902227/four-africans-held-for-prostitution-in-phuket[/url]
[QUOTE=Houston Player;2969960]Here they say prostituion is not illegal.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2969915]I give them a dubious credit for trying though.[/QUOTE]
Ask the Africans in phuket who got arrested for it.

[url]https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2902227/four-africans-held-for-prostitution-in-phuket[/url]
[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2969924]Bottom line: there is virtually zero chance of a monger being arrested for prostitution in Thailand. Or a lady.[/QUOTE]
See link above. Are the thai police going to bust down your door? No. Can they arbitrarily decide to arrest some street workers if someone files a complaint? Yes. If they can arrest Africans in Phuket for prostitution, they can do it for anyone else. How many Africans are on beach road right now standing right in front of the police station? Plenty.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2970008]

Someone asked for sources and I provided multiple sources.
[/QUOTE]Good sources in a discussion about whether something is illegal aren't newspaper articles about arrests. You have no idea what they were actually arrested for, or whether the people authorizing the arrest know the law.

And you don't know whether the reporters or editors know the law.

Other sources that shouldn't be referenced are poorly written law firm summaries, like the one from Siam Legal.

Provide citations. A citation is "a quotation from or reference to a book, paper, or author, especially in a scholarly work. ".

Better yet, quote the law itself.

Quoting newspaper articles to support an argument about whether something is illegal is like quoting a forum post to support a point about best STD prevention practices.

[QUOTE=PhilipMarlow;2970019]Good sources in a discussion about whether something is illegal aren't newspaper articles about arrests. [/QUOTE]Then you should've read the actual law that led to the arrests (1996 Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act). If prostitution was legal in Thailand, prostitutes would have legal status like in Germany and the Netherlands.

The plan to decriminalize prostitution in Thailand has not been passed. Which is why Africans in Phuket still get arrested for it in 2024.

"Technically, the sex they sell is illegal, but a new government-led plan aims to change that. It calls for repealing the 1996 Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act, which makes most sex work a crime, and replacing it with a new law, the Protection of Sex Work Act, affirming the rights of sex workers and their places of business to sell sex. ".
[URL]https://www.voanews.com/a/thailand-drafts-bill-to-decriminalize-its-billion-dollar-sex-trade/7040409.html[/URL]

If you don't like facts and real world examples of arrests, simply call the local Thai police and ask them if prostitution is legal.

Another thai source for those looking for more sources, straight from a veteran Thai sex worker:

"She pointed out that owners of venues where sex is traded must themselves pay officials under the table, as prostitution remains illegal in Thailand. ".

"And since prostitution is illegal, venues providing sexual services are not registered and therefore not subject to regulations on hygiene and safety. ".

[URL]https://world.thaipbs.or.th/detail/thailands-exploited-vulnerable-sex-workers-could-soon-be-protected-by-law/48316[/URL]

I've proven my stance with multiple sources and I'm not discussing it anymore. Anyone is free to do their own research.

It is funny, start a needless conversation then say I said my piece I don't want to o talk about it anymore.

Personally it never should have started legal or illegal.

None of these so call research have anything to o do with reality here there is like less than a 1 % chance this applies to anyone who comes to playland if it does don't come. To end I don't want to talk about it anymore LOL.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2969960]Below is a specific quote from the very website stating that prostitution is illegal.

"The Penal Code, while not explicitly labeling prostitution as illegal, does penalize those profiting from a prostitute's earnings. ".

Here they say prostituion is not illegal.[/QUOTE]There are some who are so adamant about wanting it to be illegal they so far have only been posting links that literally tell us it is NOT illegal and asserting that as more proof that it is illegal. Weird.

And not just that law firm's link but the Thai Penal Code link and whatever we have seen so far from the nice try but unenforceable The Prosititution Prevention and Supression Act, where they have had since 1996 to reword it and move into the Thai Penal Code as a clear statement about prostitution being illegal but haven't.

None of it states the simple, clear and unambiguous words all of us know could be stated to make the basic act of exchanging sex for money or money for sex among consenting adults illegal.

Also, what's with all these reports about foreigners from Africa getting busted for advertising sexual services on publicly viewable social networks or online, clearly stated as illegal in the Thai Penal Code, and where it is obvious their visa issues are at play?

Notice there is so far no mention of any of their customers being busted for anything. Presumably because their visa status is fine and unquestionable. But most certainly because their customers have not committed a crime that can be cited anywhere in the Thai Penal Code and charged!

And, after all, isn't that the issue at hand for any of us on this website? Is this discussion about our worry that African Thai visa holders might get hassled for whatever tangential infractions the police want to conjure up or is it about whether or not there is an actual law that puts us, the customers, at risk of any criminal infraction and penalty?

Have any of these reports about Africans getting busted for anything included a mention of any of their prostitution service customers being hassled, arrested or charged with a crime? So far I have not seen it. Nor have I ever met someone who was arrested and charged with a crime for engaging in sex for money services here in Thailand. Nor met anyone who ever met anyone who has been through that. Not as long as everyone involved was a consenting adult.

Of course, the police can drum up any reason to hassle and arrest anyone at any time. That has always been so. But in terms of an actual crime as stated in the Thai Penal Code that can be cited, charged and tried for, the words might as well be "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star" far as any rogue cops are concerned. They can arrest you for "smiling while driving" if they want. So the risk of being targeted by rogue cops has nothing specifically to do with crimes and arrests for mongering.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2970058]Another thai source for those looking for more sources, straight from a veteran Thai sex worker:

"She pointed out that owners of venues where sex is traded must themselves pay officials under the table, as prostitution remains illegal in Thailand. ".

"And since prostitution is illegal, venues providing sexual services are not registered and therefore not subject to regulations on hygiene and safety. ".

[URL]https://world.thaipbs.or.th/detail/thailands-exploited-vulnerable-sex-workers-could-soon-be-protected-by-law/48316[/URL]

I've proven my stance with multiple sources and I'm not discussing it anymore. Anyone is free to do their own research.[/QUOTE]"Legalizing" and making legitimate something that is not a crime is not the question at discussion here.

For one thing, we all know the real reason "owners of venues where sex is traded must themselves pay officials under the table" even if she and the authors of that article are confused about it; because the Thai Penal Code clearly states that running such a business as a business is illegal. Why doesn't she herself have to pay officials anything under the table or any freelancers working the streets or on Thai Friendly who connect with customers pay anything to officials to look the other way?

Do I really have to repeat the reason why not?

I agree with her that she and her co-workers' chosen profession should be clearly and unambiguously declared "legal" and made legitimate for the purposes of then installing government-sanctioned and sponsored legal protections from exploitation by rogue cops, abusive customers and so on.

But that is a separate question than the one at discussion here.

BTW, in all her years as a prostitute she has no horror stories about any of her customers being hassled or abused by her line of worknnot being made "legal and legitimate"?

Not even one among the thousands of customers she must have had by now?

Again, do I really have to repeat the reason why not?

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2970008]I disagree, and multiple sources disagree with you.

"Prostitution is illegal in Thailand, but the laws are ambiguous and often unenforced. As a result, red-light districts, massage parlors, go-go bars, and sex-focused karaoke bars are common sights. Sex work in Thailand is a significant economic incentive for many citizens, especially rural, unskilled women with financial burdens. ".
[URL]https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-where-prostitution-is-legal[/URL]

Someone asked for sources and I provided multiple sources.

Four Africans held for prostitution in Phuket.
[url]https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2902227/four-africans-held-for-prostitution-in-phuket[/url]


Ask the Africans in phuket who got arrested for it.

[url]https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2902227/four-africans-held-for-prostitution-in-phuket[/url]

See link above. Are the thai police going to bust down your door? No. Can they arbitrarily decide to arrest some street workers if someone files a complaint? Yes. If they can arrest Africans in Phuket for prostitution, they can do it for anyone else. How many Africans are on beach road right now standing right in front of the police station? Plenty.[/QUOTE]I would ask the police why none of those Africans' customers were arrested for anything.

I would ask why are they only arresting foreigners with likely visa violation issues at play while thousands more prostitutes with no potential visa issues at all stroll right past their police stations and sidewalk tables before their very eyes day and night. Often with customers in tow.

I would ask the police to please show me the Section in the Thai Penal Code that makes prostitution between consenting adults illegal. And if they won't do that I will bring up the Title IX Sections of The Thai Penal Code on my smart phone and educate them on what the law actually does and does not state.

LOL. The same as I do with the cops and Men In Brown who hassle me about my electric bicycle when they are absolutely certain (but wrong and shown to be wrong by me) about something I have done on a bicycle being illegal when it is not illegal.

That has transpired more than a dozen times over the past 3 years. And I have never been arrested for it nor paid so much as a single baht fine to anyone.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2969909]Quick update from my trip.

Russian clip joints:

Decided to peak inside a few of them to see if anything has changed and they're just as worthless as they've always been. 500 baht for a beer, 1000 baht for a lady drink, 10,000 baht for a shower (no sex). Ugly strippers. Many of the "Russian" ladies begging for lady drinks are not even scantily clad or half naked, they're fully clothed so there is zero point to visit these scam joints.

Discos:

Panda: Loud as hell, not for the faint of heart, largely chinese only club but plenty of fair skinned freelance stunners if you can stomach the intense environment.

Republic: same as Panda, but a few more westerners. I saw several decent freelancers but was with a WG at the time. Cool enough to revisit.

Insomnia / Ibar: I could not find a damn thing in here. Nothing notable at all but I do like eating at The Diner.

808: Only worth it if you like fat chicks. I've been going to 808 daily on the off chance I see something good, but more times than not its not the case.

Beach road: I generally despise beach roach but I had some free time and found a decent freelancer. She wanted 1500ST, which I was fine with because she had some nice natural knockers. She said "condom everything" but was fine with a bareback blowjob.

Gogos:

I only went to shark yesterday, barfined a decent stunner for ST and ended up spending the rest of the night with her as a GFE. She told me she has to sell 6 drinks or pay the difference (she said its different for salary workers), said pre-covid the money was flowing, now post covid people don't spend money. She said Chinese people are mainly the ones still spending money in the WS go-gos, followed by Americans / Europeans in lower numbers. She said Indians do not spend money in WS gogos as well as local Thai men.

Soapy massages:

Decided not to go on this trip.

Dating apps / bumble / tinder:

Could not find anything I liked.

Indian clubs:

I counted atleast 6 of them on WS. Not worth it for mongering. Too many heavy makeup, middle aged, pushup bra, single mother, overcharging Thai WGs and Azerbaijan women. But good to visit if you want to see something new.

Overall its been a solid trip. I had some good bar girls as well as freelancers.[/QUOTE]Please disclose Sharks Pricing.

My intelligence on Palace.

Barfine 2,500 prime time.

Girl Fee 4%.

Shocker. She say Kong Time is 6,ooo.

Since we're all talking about this I'll add my 2 cents. I've found through my decades of hobbying around the world that where it's actually legal, like in New Zealand or the Netherlands, it's not as good and definitely more expensive. Whatever moral or ethical issues aside, when it's in a legal grey zone like in Thailand, the chicks tend to perform better and of course are more affordable. The exception to that rule might just be Singapore's Geylang, but that was years ago, who knows what it's like now. Even FKK's today are no where near as good as they used to be. With how expensive things have become, legality has made prostitution even more cost prohibitive than it already was, in the very few countries where it's legal. That's why we must support Thailand and how it's running this whole thing, cause it's the only way us old, ugly, Danny Devito types can get any pussy, anywhere on the planet. Thailand was made for people like me to get laid. And that's that. What a paradise. People living in Thailand, local or farang have no idea how lucky they are. Only those idiot youtuber digital nomad fucks seem to know how lucky they are with all their ridiculous videos.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2970008]-snip-
Four Africans held for prostitution in Phuket.
[url]https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2902227/four-africans-held-for-prostitution-in-phuket[/url]


Ask the Africans in phuket who got arrested for it.

[url]https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2902227/four-africans-held-for-prostitution-in-phuket[/url]

See link above. Are the thai police going to bust down your door? No. Can they arbitrarily decide to arrest some street workers if someone files a complaint? Yes. If they can arrest Africans in Phuket for prostitution, they can do it for anyone else. How many Africans are on beach road right now standing right in front of the police station? Plenty.[/QUOTE]Without even asking the police why they didn't arrest any of those Africans' customers for anything, the report you linked provided most of the reasons for it:

[QUOTE]Police were responding to a [b]report[/b] that some foreign women were offering sexual services in the Patong area, said Pol Col Kriangkrai Arayaying, the chief of the Phuket [b]Immigration[/b] office.

Police found several foreign women talking with other tourists on Bangla Road on Wednesday. The officers [b]observed[/b] their behaviour until they were [b]certain[/b] the women were offering sex for money.[/QUOTE]Lessons learned:

1. Don't be a visibly evident foreigner interloping on legal Thai prostitutes' territory.

2. Don't offer sex in exchange for money so publicly, openly and shamefully that your Thai competitors, nearby business owners and the Immigration police they lodge a complaint with as well as the police who respond to that complaint can so plainly observe what you are doing publicly, openly and shamefully that they can be certain that behavior is the specific crime for which you could and will be arrested.

3. The customers were not the ones being open and shameful about the public negotiation. Only the African prostitutes were. Therefore, there was no violation of Thai law that those customers could be arrested and charged with violating.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2970076]It is funny, start a needless conversation then say I said my piece I don't want to o talk about it anymore.

Personally it never should have started legal or illegal.

None of these so call research have anything to o do with reality here there is like less than a 1 % chance this applies to anyone who comes to playland if it does don't come. To end I don't want to talk about it anymore LOL.[/QUOTE]Maybe you need to read my initial post that quoted the OP's that started this conversation. It was not me. Kindly read and you will see.

Hi Guys,

Need one help, can anyone give a feedback on the Base Apartment in Pattaya from Air BnB.

TIA.

[QUOTE=ErrolFlynn;2969672]Based on recommendations from the Board I tried to book Mike's Taxi to get me from BKK to Pattaya. I filled out their online booking and added all the details and contact info and heard nothing back. The morning I was leaving MNL I wrote again and begged for a response (I was arriving BKK in the evening). Crickets. Perhaps I booked too late and they were full, but in that business they really need to get back to the customer and let them know that.

There was no time to prebook anyone else so I figured I'd take Grab or Bolt. I've used Grab extensively in. The PI (never a problem) but was new to Bolt. I read that it's more popular in Thailand so when I saw a good price I booked it. (1046 baht). On his way to me the "driver" texted me that the tolls are additional, I said "okay, but I only have big bills". (I now believe it was a Manager texting me). Guy arrives and he knows my name and hotel sio my bags go in. The back and I am in. The car when he tells me I need to Cancel the ride in the App and pay cash. I didn't like that, but asked "hoe much?" he said 1400 baht. I showed him. The Bolt page that clearly said 1046 baht. So he called his manager who texted me that it is cash only and I need to cancel the ride. I texted back that that was unacceptable. After some back and forth in Thai the driver says "1200 baht, okay? I say that includes tolls?" he says yes, and realizing I don't want to get my bags out and start this all over I agree. (It's not a terrible price, but it's not the deal I made.). We take off at high speed, hen I get a message from Bolt that "The Driver has cancelled your ride because he couldn't locate you. " That's when I realize that I'm off the grid as far as Bolt is concerned. They have wiped my ride off their App like it never happened, yet I'm in the car. - he could take me anywhere. I start tracking on Google Maps and we are going the right way, but the driver is driving like a maniac and vaping which adds a film noir quality to my first view of nighttime Thailand. Not a pleasant start. Funny thing is when I was paying the guy at my hotel (I waited until I was out of the car in the light with the bellman there) I double checked with the driver that he had change for my second 1000 baht note. He took great offense. "Thai honest people. Thai no lie. " Hunh? You just scammed me.
Welcome to Thailand;.[/QUOTE]Something similar happened to me when I arrived at Phuket Airport last year. The Bolt driver didn't want to pick me up in front of the terminal, but asked me to walk to a road that was about 300 meters from the airport. As soon as I was in the car, he wanted me to cancel the ride in the app. When I asked him why, he said that the Bolt drivers are not allowed to pick up people at the airport because there is already an 'official' taxi service there. (I saw this service. There was a long line of people in front of it, and it was about 200 - 300 Baht more expensive than Bolt IIRC, for a ride to Patong Beach.).
He also told me right away that the price would remain the same. He just wanted me to cancel the ride, so there would be no evidence of it in the app. That was his explanation anyway. It's possible that he didn't want to pay Bolt's share, and wanted to have more profit.
Remarkably enough, when I went back to the airport, about five days later, it was no problem at all to book a Bolt, and the driver dropped me off right in front of the terminal.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2970035]Then you should've read the actual law that led to the arrests (1996 Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act). If prostitution was legal in Thailand, prostitutes would have legal status like in Germany and the Netherlands.[/QUOTE]Your arguments were already weak from the start, but are getting weaker as you're grasping for straws.

No, they would not have legal status like in the Netherlands. The point of the prevention and suppression act is to discourage it and to criminalize people profiting from it other than the prostitute herself.

How countries approach legality, criminalization, punishment and taxation is completely separate and has no bearing on other countries (see: Norway vs France vs Germany).

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2970035]The plan to decriminalize prostitution in Thailand has not been passed. Which is why Africans in Phuket still get arrested for it in 2024.[/QUOTE]That doesn't support your argument, it weakens it. If prostitution was illegal they would easily be able to apply that to more than Africans. The reason they get arrested can be anything from the 'public decency' part to working in the country illegally. Or did you forget you're not allowed to work in Thailand (or anywhere in the world) without a work permit?

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2970035]If you don't like facts and real world examples of arrests, simply call the local Thai police and ask them if prostitution is legal.[/QUOTE]Your mileage will vary. Plenty of local police will say it is legal.

The main point is the law. You haven't been able to point to a single law saying prostitution itself is legal. Replace the word 'prostitution' with 'murder' in any of the texts of the act and see how silly it sounds. You'd think murder itself is quite legal and accepted by itself! Guess why? Because prostitution is. I don't have to search hard at all to find a law stating an illegal act is illegal. It's only you guys who seem to have a problem with coming up with it.

So not only is there not a single law that says it is illegal, but in practice nobody gets persecuted for it either. Strange.

[QUOTE=ErrolFlynn;2969672]Based on recommendations from the Board I tried to book Mike's Taxi to get me from BKK to Pattaya. I filled out their online booking and added all the details and contact info and heard nothing back. The morning I was leaving MNL I wrote again and begged for a response (I was arriving BKK in the evening). Crickets. Perhaps I booked too late and they were full, but in that business they really need to get back to the customer and let them know that. [.

Next time; try Nams Drivers, very quick in answering and very reliable: 1200 one way.

[URL]www.namstaxiladydrivers.com[/URL]

I see a 77 year old Irish guy is being held for murdering a 40+ Thai (bar?) in his Jomtien hotel. He was arrested out taking a stroll as there was a smell of dead flesh in his room. Two points.

1. 77 is probably too old to rock.

2. 77 is definitely too old to bring strange women home. I remember reading years ago of a 70 year old who took a ladyboy home and the ladyboy kicked and battered him every which way.

There comes a time to hang up the spurs.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2970135]Maybe you need to read my initial post that quoted the OP's that started this conversation. It was not me. Kindly read and you will see.[/QUOTE]Sorry, my comment was not directed at you one bit, I didn't read all the exchanges because to be honest it isn't relevant to me at least and it is silly that it was brought up but that is his right. My comments above his response I thought was funny and childest since I assume he started it now that he didn't like the responses throw in his last comment along with " he don't want to talk about it any longer " I just kind of shake my head we got grown men here write well etc. Big dicks, come here for one main reason then start talking whether it is legal or not! Funny!

[QUOTE=Jarango;2970204]1. 77 is probably too old to rock.

2. 77 is definitely too old to bring strange women home. I remember reading years ago of a 70 year old who took a ladyboy home and the ladyboy kicked and battered him every which way.[/QUOTE]Let me guess. You are not 70 yet. There is no one size fits all. Our minds and bodies deteriorate at different rates. One person at 70 will not be the same as another person at 70, or any other age. I have an aunt who is 104 and lives alone. I saw an article the other day of a guy who is 90 and still drives a car.

Sexual compulsion doesn't magically go away.

Esp since the blue pill.

He sounds like he's been using drugs too.

[QUOTE=Jarango;2970204]I see a 77 year old Irish guy is being held for murdering a 40+ Thai (bar?) in his Jomtien hotel. He was arrested out taking a stroll as there was a smell of dead flesh in his room. Two points.

1. 77 is probably too old to rock.

2. 77 is definitely too old to bring strange women home. I remember reading years ago of a 70 year old who took a ladyboy home and the ladyboy kicked and battered him every which way.

There comes a time to hang up the spurs.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2970222]Let me guess. You are not 70 yet. There is no one size fits all. Our minds and bodies deteriorate at different rates. One person at 70 will not be the same as another person at 70, or any other age. I have an aunt who is 104 and lives alone. I saw an article the other day of a guy who is 90 and still drives a car.[/QUOTE]Salud, Mr. E. I will be a septuagenarian in 2025.

Here it is Christmas Eve Day in the PI and I am happy to report a body count of 78 different girls in 2024. So, my age has not slowed me down. Well, maybe a little HA! Living in the PH with frequent inter-islands trips and also to TH, Jakarta and my annual DR trip helps keep me young at heart. Of course my travel pales in comparison to the legendary Mr. E.

My point is there is still a great future for all you young bucks like the highly sensitive "commander". Keep your vices in check, young fellas, and always remember sex is great for the prostrate so get it as often as you can! Furthermore, fucking a slim and stacked childless 19 year old for two days and nights does wonders for every single cell in your body!

[QUOTE=Jarango;2970204]I see a 77 year old Irish guy is being held for murdering a 40+ Thai (bar?) in his Jomtien hotel. He was arrested out taking a stroll as there was a smell of dead flesh in his room. Two points.

1. 77 is probably too old to rock.

2. 77 is definitely too old to bring strange women home. I remember reading years ago of a 70 year old who took a ladyboy home and the ladyboy kicked and battered him every which way.

There comes a time to hang up the spurs.[/QUOTE]Sorry, but there is no one age fits all when it comes to when we should "hang up our spurs", as you put it. I'm guessing you are still a young lad, so 70 sounds really old to you, but as long as you take care of your health, and especially with the help of the blue pill, there is no reason your bodily functions can't continue working just fine well into your 70's and 80's. There are countless examples of men fathering children in their 70's and 80's, check out some famous examples like Charlie Chaplin, Al Pacino, Robert De Niro, Mick Jagger. There's no time limit on when we should stop having fun.

[QUOTE=SiamMan;2970367]Sorry, but there is no one age fits all when it comes to when we should "hang up our spurs", as you put it. I'm guessing you are still a young lad, so 70 sounds really old to you, but as long as you take care of your health, and especially with the help of the blue pill, there is no reason your bodily functions can't continue working just fine well into your 70's and 80's. There are countless examples of men fathering children in their 70's and 80's, check out some famous examples like Charlie Chaplin, Al Pacino, Robert De Niro, Mick Jagger. There's no time limit on when we should stop having fun.[/QUOTE]Why stop. I'm 72, fit, and typically taken for mid-to-late 50's. I'm in Chiang Mai for my 12th winter here, and getting pussy every night. I prefer the massage parlours over bars and the barfine scene. I don't drink, don't smoke, don't take drugs, hike a lot, practice yoga at least 3 times per week, go to the gym at least twice a week. I stay at a family run guest house where it is not appropriate to bring guests to my room. But the massage parlors are a LOT of fun. I have known some of my favorites for more than 7 or 8 years and love spending time with them. And I have already found 3 new ladies this winter. I love Thai pussy! Life is so much fun, even at my age.

[QUOTE=BeachDrone;2970396]Why stop. I'm 72, fit, and typically taken for mid-to-late 50's. I'm in Chiang Mai for my 12th winter here, and getting pussy every night. I prefer the massage parlours over bars and the barfine scene. I don't drink, don't smoke, don't take drugs, hike a lot, practice yoga at least 3 times per week, go to the gym at least twice a week. I stay at a family run guest house where it is not appropriate to bring guests to my room. But the massage parlors are a LOT of fun. I have known some of my favorites for more than 7 or 8 years and love spending time with them. And I have already found 3 new ladies this winter. I love Thai pussy! Life is so much fun, even at my age.[/QUOTE]The fact of the matter is that many girls tell the older guys after doing the deed with these older guys that they are better in bed than many young guys.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2970477]The fact of the matter is that many girls tell the older guys after doing the deed with these older guys that they are better in bed than many young guys.[/QUOTE][URL]https://thethaiger.com/news/pattaya/irishman-denies-involvement-in-thai-girlfriends-death-in-pattaya[/URL]

Here is a report of the ram's arrest.

Of course, hookers like old guys, less work, more money.

I am in my 70's and have used viagra but don't like it for heart and other reasons. Fact is, performance lags with age. That is discounting centenarians who run marathons etc, I am pretty healthy for my age but my days of bonking half of South East Asia are over. Good luck to those who still can but maybe some of that is schoolboy boasting.

Speaking of keeping young and healthy by a variety of exercises, I'm looking for outrigger canoe club or team in the Pattaya area. In NZ it's called Waka Ama or Va'a.

[QUOTE=PassionSR;2970182]Your arguments were already weak from the start[/QUOTE]Thai law is not an argument. It's the law. You continue to think sex workers and bar girls in thailand have full legal rights and they don't.

In Germany and the Netherlands sex workers have legal rights and can go straight to the police if a bar doesn't pay up, those legal protections dont exist in Thailand.
[quote]
She pointed out that owners of venues where sex is traded must themselves pay officials under the table, as prostitution remains illegal in Thailand.[/quote]
[quote]Owners of so-called girly bars also fine the sex workers heavily if they fail to show up at work for a day or two. Sometimes, operators deduct money from the commission the women make on drinks bought for them by customers, hoping they will be too drunk to notice.[/quote]
[quote]And since prostitution is illegal, venues providing sexual services are not registered and therefore not subject to regulations on hygiene and safety.[/quote]
[url]https://world.thaipbs.or.th/detail/thailands-exploited-vulnerable-sex-workers-could-soon-be-protected-by-law/48316[/url]

Source 1: 1996 Prostitution Suppression Act
Source 2: 4 Africans in Phuket getting arrested for prostitution
Source 3: Plans to repeal the 1996 Prostitution Suppression Act with the Sex Workers Protection Bill

Barfine any girl in thailand and ask her what her legal protections are if the bar refuses to pay her. Nothing. She cant sue the bar or go to the cops because its illegal.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2970477]The fact of the matter is that many girls tell the older guys after doing the deed with these older guys that they are better in bed than many young guys.[/QUOTE]From a generalized standpoint, based on many talks with WGs whether they're bar girls or freelancers, many WGs prefer a man (customer) with a small penis (so he doesn't "ruin" her vagina and its easier to suck), big wallet, and fast ejaculation. They're not having sex for pleasure and want their job to be as easy as possible.

Doesn't matter how old, young, fat, bald, short, tall, race, color, or ugly you are. Doesn't matter how "good" you are in bed or how much "game" you have.

I think some mongers get caught up in superficial things trying to impress or seduce sex workers. The point is as long as you have money, there will be pussy you can find regardless of your age.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2970132]1. Don't be a visibly evident foreigner interloping on legal Thai prostitutes' territory.[/QUOTE]
Thats the point, its not legal. It happened to Lao WGs as well and many Lao women look Thai.
[quote]
8 Lao women arrested in Thailand for prostitution[/quote]
[url]https://www.rfa.org/english/news/laos/prostitution-04082024184617.html[/url]

I dont understand why mongers continue to think its legal. Its technically still illegal, but its simply rarely enforced so everyone can get their “tea money,” its really not rocket science.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2970672]-snip-

Thats the point, its not legal. It happened to Lao WGs as well and many Lao women look Thai.

[url]https://www.rfa.org/english/news/laos/prostitution-04082024184617.html[/url]

I dont understand why mongers continue to think its legal. Its technically still illegal, but its simply rarely enforced so everyone can get their tea money, its really not rocket science.[/QUOTE]Haven't you noticed that every linked report posted by you and others trying to prove the simple act of consenting adults exchanging sex for money is illegal is loaded with tangential factors and qualifiers that are illegal other than that simple act?

From your Lao girls arrested link:

[QUOTE]Authorities in Thailand have arrested eight Lao women, seven of whom [b]entered the country illegally[/b] to work as prostitutes, and one who worked as their madam, Radio Free Asia has learned.
............
"Usually, people from Laos, Cambodia and Myanmar are allowed to work in Thailand in only certain types of work like construction, [b]but not in entertainment venues or karaoke bars[/b], Col. Pattanapong Sripinproh of the Anti-Trafficking in Persons Unit told RFA Lao.

[B]They are not allowed to work as bar girls or drink girls, he said. If they do, theyll be arrested.[/b][/QUOTE]Who are the Thai freelancers paying the cops tea money?

Instead of calling it The Prostitution Prevention and Supression Act why didn't they just call it The Criminalization of Prostitution Act? If they meant to make it illegal in light of The Thai Penal Code failing to do so, why just lick around the edges with this attempt only to "prevent" and "supress" an act that is otherwise not illegal in Thailand?

So this "technically illegal" act as every publication appears to have followed some template to repeat over and over while zero, none of them refer to any Title or Section of the Thai Penal Code to back up their unsubstantiated assertion, is "rarely enforced"?

How about "never" enforced. Because there is no Title or Section in the Thai Penal Code nor a passage in The Prostitution Prevention and Supression Act that clearly states that the act of consenting adults exchanging sex for money is illegal or a crime.

There are only Sections for the tangential factors that invariably show up in these news reports about someone getting arrested; advertising on a public platform, openly and shamefully offering it, running it the same as a legitimate business entrrprise, someone who is not performing the sex living off the proceeds of someone else performing it, procuring or taking by force or seduction (recruiting) someone to work as a prostitute, the usual other age and nonconsentual factors and so on.

Do you know how police in countries where prostitution IS illegal bust the prostitute offering it and customers accepting it?

They don't sit at a distance and "observe" public conversations until they are "certain" someone is openly and shamelessly offering sex for money and then arrest them for having that particular conversation but not for the act itself.

They don't sit around six at a group at sidewalk tables in the heart of Sex For Money districts with so much idle free time on their hands with nothing better to do than hassle bicycle riders walking their bicycles to park at a sidewalk bicycle rack.

The don't wait for the opportunity to bust people for visa violations rather than everyone else in the exact same venue selling Sex For Money but who happen to have no visa problems.

Here is what they do; they wire an attractive plain clothes female police officer, station her on a corner and wait for perpetrators to approach and ask 'How much for a blowjob".

Or they wire a plain clothes male police officer and assign him to walk up to and chat with any likely candidate on the street, African, Lao or otherwise.

Then they just wait for the magic words. Sometimes they string it along until they are in a hotel room or apartment, just to make sure, before they slap on the cuffs.

In several locations in Thailand they would be racking up arrests and 20,000 baht Fines every 15 minutes. Better than tea money.

Has any Thai police force ever done something as obvious and simple as that to "prevent" and "supress" prostitution among the local citizenry?

Not "rarely", has it happened "ever"?

Having observed Thai culture and the Thai mindset over the past 12 years, it is impossible to imagine the government making illegal or a crime anything that an uneducated single mom with few if any better options for making serious good money with her natural resources and initiative, short of her commiting robbery, kidnapping, bodily injury and murder. The public outrage would be historic. They haven't done it and they aren't going to do it.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2970672]From a generalized standpoint, based on many talks with WGs whether they're bar girls or freelancers, many WGs prefer a man (customer) with a small penis (so he doesn't "ruin" her vagina and its easier to suck), big wallet, and fast ejaculation. They're not having sex for pleasure and want their job to be as easy as possible.

Doesn't matter how old, young, fat, bald, short, tall, race, color, or ugly you are. Doesn't matter how "good" you are in bed or how much "game" you have.

I think some mongers get caught up in superficial things trying to impress or seduce sex workers. The point is as long as you have money, there will be pussy you can find regardless of your age.

Thats the point, its not legal. It happened to Lao WGs as well and many Lao women look Thai.

[url]https://www.rfa.org/english/news/laos/prostitution-04082024184617.html[/url]

I dont understand why mongers continue to think its legal. Its technically still illegal, but its simply rarely enforced so everyone can get their tea money, its really not rocket science.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Some mongers try to impress girls. Some mongers even try to impress other mongers while talking about having a lot of money, a big dick, and claim they be [B]ballin like a pro[/B]. These people usually don't have lots of money or a big dick despite their raving like lunatics. The point is the girls like it easy, fast, and want to be treated nicely. Which is why so many falang newcomers to Pattaya have trouble understanding the girls prefer Korean men.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2970672]I dont understand why mongers continue to think its legal. Its technically still illegal, but its simply rarely enforced [/QUOTE]To throw another log on the fire, immigration sometimes detain the chicks at the airport who are heading to Bahrain to be hookers.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2970692]Haven't you noticed that every linked report posted by you and others trying to prove the simple act of consenting adults exchanging sex for money is illegal is loaded with tangential factors and qualifiers that are illegal other than that simple act?[/QUOTE]Haven't you noticed they were still arrested for prostitution?

Even Thai women are not immune to random arrests. This is straight from the Pattaya police:
[QUOTE]
Sixty Thai prostitutes frogmarched to police station in sex trade crackdown

[b]Police frogmarched dozens of young woman to the station in Pattaya, Thailand, after picking them up on the red-light strip Beach Road.[/b] The prostitutes had their IDs recorded, pictures taken and fingerprints marked - with police heralding the ''grand crime prevention measure''.
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Colonel Nattithorn Ratananatanan from the City's police station said: ''Ladies who were loitering under trees along the Beach Road were taken to the police station in order to prevent crime.

[b]''We are following the policy to suppress the spread of prostitution. Officers split up and tackled the area and when they saw women showing signs of prostitution they were arrested.[/b][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.newsflare.com/video/220809/sixty-thai-prostitutes-frogmarched-to-police-station-in-sex-trade-crackdown?origin=ids[/URL]

Sorry dude, I trust the Pattaya police colonel over random internet posters who think prostitution in Thailand is legal.

Feel free to contact Colonel Nattithorn Ratananatanan to tell him not to arrest sex workers.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;2970741]To throw another log on the fire, immigration sometimes detain the chicks at the airport who are heading to Bahrain to be hookers.[/QUOTE]
Correct. I thought all of this was common knowledge for longtime mongers of Thailand, but apparently not.

Its shows us many mongers haven't really been in Thailand long enough to understand Thai laws, so they get shocked about such news reports that we already knew about decades ago.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2970766]

Sorry dude, I trust the Pattaya police colonel over random internet posters who think prostitution in Thailand is legal.

Correct. I thought all of this was common knowledge for longtime mongers of Thailand, but apparently not.

Its shows us many mongers haven't really been in Thailand long enough to understand Thai laws, [/QUOTE]A friendly word of advice. Whenever you're in Thailand, if you ever find yourself in need of a criminal defense attorney, be sure to get one who didn't get his law education from website news stories and from Thai police colonels. Or from mongers who have been in Thailand a long time. Find one who knows what the Thai penal code is, and understands it.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2970766]Haven't you noticed they were still arrested for prostitution?

Even Thai women are not immune to random arrests. This is straight from the Pattaya police:


[URL]https://www.newsflare.com/video/220809/sixty-thai-prostitutes-frogmarched-to-police-station-in-sex-trade-crackdown?origin=ids[/URL]

Sorry dude, I trust the Pattaya police colonel over random internet posters who think prostitution in Thailand is legal.

Feel free to contact Colonel Nattithorn Ratananatanan to tell him not to arrest sex workers.

Correct. I thought all of this was common knowledge for longtime mongers of Thailand, but apparently not.

Its shows us many mongers haven't really been in Thailand long enough to understand Thai laws, so they get shocked about such news reports that we already knew about decades ago.[/QUOTE]That video was from 2018, five and a half years ago.

[QUOTE=Allover;2970730]Exactly. Some mongers try to impress girls. Some mongers even try to impress other mongers while talking about having a lot of money, a big dick, and claim they be [B]ballin like a pro[/B]. These people usually don't have lots of money or a big dick despite their raving like lunatics. The point is the girls like it easy, fast, and want to be treated nicely. Which is why so many falang newcomers to Pattaya have trouble understanding the girls prefer Korean men.[/QUOTE]We talking about the ABC. Angry Blek kook.

The Pattaya police colonel and I both noticed they were not arrested for Prostitution. Not even one of them.

And all 60 of those prostitutes were apparently so unfit for the job there were no customers to be found in the vicinity to arrest for that non existant crime either. Not even one.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2970766]Haven't you noticed they were still arrested for prostitution?

Even Thai women are not immune to random arrests. This is straight from the Pattaya police:


[URL]https://www.newsflare.com/video/220809/sixty-thai-prostitutes-frogmarched-to-police-station-in-sex-trade-crackdown?origin=ids[/URL]

Sorry dude, I trust the Pattaya police colonel over random internet posters who think prostitution in Thailand is legal.

Feel free to contact Colonel Nattithorn Ratananatanan to tell him not to arrest sex workers.

Correct. I thought all of this was common knowledge for longtime mongers of Thailand, but apparently not.

Its shows us many mongers haven't really been in Thailand long enough to understand Thai laws, so they get shocked about such news reports that we already knew about decades ago.[/QUOTE]Again, the report you linked and what the Pattaya colonel is quoted to have said about it fully supports my and other "no law against the act of prostitution between consenting adults"" contention and refutes yours:

[B]Sixty Thai prostitutes frogmarched to police station in sex trade crackdown[/B]

[URL]https://www.newsflare.com/video/220809/sixty-thai-prostitutes-frogmarched-to-police-station-in-sex-trade-crackdown?origin=ids[/URL]

[QUOTE]This is the bizarre moment 60 Thai hookers were rounded up and [b]arrested to have their details taken - in case they commit crimes in the future.[/b]

Police frogmarched dozens of young woman to the station in Pattaya, Thailand, after picking them up on the red-light strip Beach Road. The prostitutes had their IDs recorded, pictures taken and fingerprints marked - with police heralding the ''grand crime [b]prevention[/b] measure''.

Footage shows them being herded from police pick-up trucks and covering their faces as they are ushered in lines into the station. [B]They were released an hour late.[/b]

Critics said it was unfair to stigmatise the group of young women and an invasion of their privacy. Sue Bangsai, who runs a support group for Thai women in the sex trade, said: 'Police should be supporting the women not demonising them even more.'

"Sex workers risk abuse from customers every day but often their complaints are not heard.

''They often choose this work through a lack of other options and they [b]should not be treated as criminals.''[/b]

Colonel Nattithorn Ratananatanan from the City's police station said: [b]''Ladies who were loitering under trees along the Beach Road were taken to the police station in order to prevent crime."[/b]

"We are following the policy [b]to suppress the spread of prostitution.[/b] Officers split up and tackled the area and when they saw women [b]showing signs of prostitution [/b]they were arrested.

''Background checks were made and their details were added to a database. When tourists have problems in the future we can show the pictures for them to identify the offender.''[/QUOTE]Now, I have gone ahead and highlighted the parts where the prostitutes were herded, rounded up and arrested for "showing signs of prostitution" that no one here has refuted is indeed cited specifically in The Thai Penal Code as illegal, a crime, and repeated in The Prostitution Prevention and Supression Act as a means to prevent and suppress an act nobody in authority apparently can find the words to specifically declare as illegal, a crime.

As followed by the Pattaya police here.

So if you will kindly highlight the parts where the Pattaya police colonel states even one of those 60 Thai ladies was arrested for Prostitution rather than for "showing signs of prostitution", presumably openly and shamefully enough to justify an arrest for that particular infraction, we can take it from there.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2970741]To throw another log on the fire, immigration sometimes detain the chicks at the airport who are heading to Bahrain to be hookers.[/QUOTE]Have you heard they are detained to be questioned about who recruited them by force or seduction to be taken to Bahrain to work as hookers? That would make sense and certainly fits the laws on the issue.

Because we now all know that particular act of procurement for the purposes of taking someone to engage in prostitution either in or outside of Thailand is specifically cited as illegal and punishable by fine and / or prison sentence in The Thai Penal Code and The Prostitution Prevention and Supresson Act.

For the recruiter / procurer, that is. Not for the hookers or their customers in or outside of Thailand. There is no specific law for that cited in The Code or The Act.

[QUOTE=PhilipMarlow;2970789]A friendly word of advice. Whenever you're in Thailand, if you ever find yourself in need of a criminal defense attorney[/QUOTE]A friendly reminder. You are not the Pattaya police, a thai lawyer, a thai sex worker, a thai bar girl, and you did not repeal Thailands 1996 Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act.

Feel free to show us what Thai law fully decriminalized prostitution and granted sex workers with legal rights. We’ll wait.

[QUOTE=PhilipMarlow;2970789]A friendly word of advice. Whenever you're in Thailand, if you ever find yourself in need of a criminal defense attorney, be sure to get one who didn't get his law education from website news stories and from Thai police colonels. Or from mongers who have been in Thailand a long time. Find one who knows what the Thai penal code is, and understands it.[/QUOTE]I wonder if it is a bad translation by the editors of those news reports or are they simply towing the Thai cultural line of protecting the image of the country by using the word "technically" so often.

"Technically, prostitution is illegal in Thailand but blah blah blah. ".

Of course, that is just the point; prostitution is not illegal "technically". Not by the definition of the word "technically", as in:

According to the facts or exact meaning of something; strictly.

If there was a law in the Thai Penal Code or the nice try but still missed the target The Prostitution Prevention and Supression Act that specifically states the exchange of money for sex between consenting adults is illegal, a crime, that would be "tecnically" illegal. And then they could cite the specific Title and Section in The Code or The Act that strictly states the exact words and facts that make it so. But there isn't one.

"Roughly", "approximately" or "vaguely" might be accurate I suppose. But not "technically".

Then again, maybe they are playing typical Thai-style word games with the use of the word "illegal", as in not legal or not legitimate.

Now, that's a different matter entirely.

Practitioners of something that has not been officially "legalized" or "decriminalized" can be targeted for demonization, abuse and exploitation without the legal protections afforded legitimate businesses following fully ajudicated contracts and business practices.

And that is the part of prostitution that Thai authorities have not accommodated, although certain Sex Worker Advocates are asking them to do that. They have chosen instead to say nothing about it specifically at all in The Code or The Act. They don't yet want to be seen as a country that tolerates Sex For Money as a legitimate, legally sanctioned and ajudicated business enterprise.

Cannabis sales and consumption? Yes, that is now an officially legalized and legitimate business enterprise in Thailand. With certain qualifiers. Violate those Cannibis issue qualifiers openly and shamefully and you will be busted and arrested for that. But merely smoking or consuming it in Thailand is not a crime. Similar to the situation with prostitution except for the fact that Thailand is not yet ready to officially "legalize" it and accommodate it in law as a legitimate business enterprise.

Which leaves it neither a crime nor legally sanctioned by the government.

Therefore, in ordinary parlance and I dare say even technically that makes it "not a crime" "unindictable", "no law against it" and "legal to do it" regardless whatever word games one wants to play about it being "illegal" or not specifically accommodated or sanctioned by law.

Hey Rocko and Philip. Check the rants thread. Let's move this conversation there.

About Pattaya, dam I miss it. I've been unable to make the trip from Bangkok recently. What I have heard is that other than the weekends, Pattaya high season this year has a lot of ladies but nowhere near the amount of tourists that were expected. Therefore, it's basically a free for all with ladies everywhere and tons of selection. Whoever is in Pattaya now, count your lucky charms.

Pattaya is jammed with tourists. The question is how many of them are in the bars?

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2970887]Hey Rocko and Philip. Check the rants thread. Let's move this conversation there.

About Pattaya, dam I miss it. I've been unable to make the trip from Bangkok recently. What I have heard is that other than the weekends, Pattaya high season this year has a lot of ladies but nowhere near the amount of tourists that were expected. Therefore, it's basically a free for all with ladies everywhere and tons of selection. Whoever is in Pattaya now, count your lucky charms.[/QUOTE]The scene in Chiang Mai is nowhere near that in Pattaya, but the same is true here. Many fewer tourists than expected, so more ladies and the odds are in our favor.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2970891]Pattaya is jammed with tourists. The question is how many of them are in the bars?[/QUOTE]It does not matter how many are in the bars. You do not have to be in a bar to get a chick in Pattaya. Maybe a better question would be how many of them are picking up hookers. The same chicks that were talking that 3000 shit 2 weeks ago are miraculously back down to 1000 again. When the money gets low, then the hungriness shows.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2970672]From a generalized standpoint, based on many talks with WGs whether they're bar girls or freelancers, many WGs prefer a man (customer) with a small penis (so he doesn't "ruin" her vagina and its easier to suck), big wallet, and fast ejaculation. They're not having sex for pleasure and want their job to be as easy as possible.

Doesn't matter how old, young, fat, bald, short, tall, race, color, or ugly you are. Doesn't matter how "good" you are in bed or how much "game" you have.

I think some mongers get caught up in superficial things trying to impress or seduce sex workers. The point is as long as you have money, there will be pussy you can find regardless of your age......[/QUOTE]I have no doubt that girls like the 'slam, bam, thank you ma'm' mongers which I am not. I like good service and many girls do not provide this. The SBTYN mongers generally always get the service they want which when a girl seeks to provide me with I call poor service. There are probably some guys who do not know that women enjoy sex as much as men, however, if you are her tenth client of the day then diminishing returns apply and I always factor that in my choice. The SBTYM guys are no doubt squeaky clean and do not indulge in DATY, BBBJ or such activities and probably have no experience of making a working girl orgasm. Believe me I have done that during coitus and otherwise and having banged women now for over half a century I know when a girl is faking it and when she is not and I have had many fakers.

To put it in a nutshell if you are just into SBTYM then you and the girl will always be happy. If you are not you have to be more selective and an expert interviewer. You may not always be successful but the rewards are phenomenal.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2970925]I have no doubt that girls like the 'slam, bam, thank you ma'm' mongers which I am not. I like good service and many girls do not provide this. The SBTYN mongers generally always get the service they want which when a girl seeks to provide me with I call poor service. There are probably some guys who do not know that women enjoy sex as much as men, however, if you are her tenth client of the day then diminishing returns apply and I always factor that in my choice. The SBTYM guys are no doubt squeaky clean and do not indulge in DATY, BBBJ or such activities and probably have no experience of making a working girl orgasm. Believe me I have done that during coitus and otherwise and having banged women now for over half a century I know when a girl is faking it and when she is not and I have had many fakers.

To put it in a nutshell if you are just into SBTYM then you and the girl will always be happy. If you are not you have to be more selective and an expert interviewer. You may not always be successful but the rewards are phenomenal.[/QUOTE]The vast majority of bargirls have much more sex than they want, to the point that they don't like customers who make them work too much.

There are some low volume ladies who don't have the money for a Thai man, or can't get one for free, and if they aren't too old, might enjoy some fucking, but they are rare. Any lady working in Pattaya who likes sex would much rather have it with a Thai man rather than an old Farang.

Pattaya, as they say, is like Disneyland, and no, Minnie Mouse is just acting, she is not your new friend.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2970891]Pattaya is jammed with tourists. The question is how many of them are in the bars?[/QUOTE]More than enough so the girls don't have the necessity to lower the prices. And every season it's the same story but reality is the only direction prices are going is north.

Just wondering if the rest of folks here who have already booked or planning to book the next trip noticed a significant increase in hotel prices? Hotels in Bangkok I stayed in March this year are like 25-75% more expensive same time in 2025?

[QUOTE=Buck011;2970948]Just wondering if the rest of folks here who have already booked or planning to book the next trip noticed a significant increase in hotel prices? Hotels in Bangkok I stayed in March this year are like 25-75% more expensive same time in 2025?[/QUOTE]Its called capitalism. Once the victors for market competition emerge, they can then exercise their oligarchical right to push the prices up until the market is at breaking point. Some will complain (you), but the every growing market place will mean that more can and do pay, so we all end up paying more.

[QUOTE=Buck011;2970948]Just wondering if the rest of folks here who have already booked or planning to book the next trip noticed a significant increase in hotel prices? Hotels in Bangkok I stayed in March this year are like 25-75% more expensive same time in 2025?[/QUOTE]Your post got me thinking about Thailand hotel prices, so I went back to my hotel records over the last 3 years from 2 different hotels. One hotel has not changed price appreciably, just slightly lower price for 2025 than 2022. The other hotel had an increase of about 25% from 2022 to 2025. This is comparison of the same hotels, same class rooms, and same months. I don't have information that is specific to Pattaya, but I've seen nothing close to 25%-75% year to year.

There can be a big difference in price for different booking methods: Agoda, Priceline, Hotels, email to hotel, telephone hotel. Sometimes one is less money, other times another is less money. It also can make a big difference if you book long in advance or if you do a last minute booking.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2971017]Your post got me thinking about Thailand hotel prices, so I went back to my hotel records over the last 3 years from 2 different hotels. One hotel has not changed appreciably, just slightly lower price for 2025 than 2022. The other hotel had an increase of about 25% from 2022 to 2025. This is comparison of the same hotels, same class rooms, and same months. I don't have information that is specific to Pattaya, but I've seen nothing close to 25%-75% year to year.

There can be a big difference in price for different booking methods: Agoda, Priceline, Hotels, email to hotel, telephone hotel. Sometimes one is less money, other times another is less money. It also can make a big difference if you book long in advance or if you do a last minute booking.[/QUOTE]Me neither. I am in BKK for business around 4 times per year. I do stay at the Radisson Blu Plaza. The price varies throughout the year between 95 and 155 USD a night. No major difference to pre-covid even. (VIP Member prices).

I was wondering if it is easy to get Testosterone injections or tablets in Pattaya? If anyone has any reccs for a pharmacy or a doctor / clinic please let me know.

And by the way, is there any point in taking the above if I am in city just for a week?

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2970937]The vast majority of bargirls have much more sex than they want, to the point that they don't like customers who make them work too much.

There are some low volume ladies who don't have the money for a Thai man, or can't get one for free, and if they aren't too old, might enjoy some fucking, but they are rare. Any lady working in Pattaya who likes sex would much rather have it with a Thai man rather than an old Farang.

Pattaya, as they say, is like Disneyland, and no, Minnie Mouse is just acting, she is not your new friend.[/QUOTE]You can actually tell who likes you and who doesn't. Pretty much.

If you see a see 6 girl you like and as you approach she turns real fast away- she doesn't like you.

The Hard ones are the introverts. Hahaha. They might like you, they take your money and say thank you but not much more. There's one like that at Oceans on Soi 6- she is just reserved as FKK. She will make eye contact and smile.

I saw a BBC approach a gaggle of Girls at OPPA. Known Korean Place. The girls scattered. I wonder if it was the SUB.

[QUOTE=Buck011;2970948]Just wondering if the rest of folks here who have already booked or planning to book the next trip noticed a significant increase in hotel prices? Hotels in Bangkok I stayed in March this year are like 25-75% more expensive same time in 2025?[/QUOTE]Yes prices have gone up in Bangkok proper.

I'm trying to get back to my relatively obscure puta pueblo DR, living among locals (real people with real lives).

But Sudsy keeps dropping my name here, and everywhere around the world he can find a ranting thread.

Anyway, I would be remiss not to leave the one piece of positive advice I was given, by a wise fellow hobbyist, and never once regretted following!

You all have one very personal relationship with your hard earned money, another with your dick, and another with your food.

Only YOU can make the optimum choices for yourself to keep all things in balance. Not some online forum pissing match, run mainly by a few mega posters, who are basically looking to everybody else, for the secret sauce. They are not content to happily pursue their hobby, they the need the confirmation of their peers, They want your info in detail to add to their "intel" because they are afraid they are missing something.

That "something" Is your ability to pursue and enjoy your hobby, without the necessity of requiring approval, from the malcontents. The one thing that riles them, is somebody who posts positive things about the people and places he enjoys.

I got 15 years of positive posts about my own particular puta paradise, and 15 years of tag team attacks on my personal choices. Seems a happy monger is an anathema to malcontents, who haven't figured it out!

And, 2 issues always surface.

The definition of "hot", "attractiveness", "desirabilty", and.

The intrinsic "value" of pussy.

The first should be a no brainer. See the Miss World finalists.

And price?

You will never, ever, get a well aged and well served steak, for the price of a hamburger. Don't let anybody tell you different.

Why do you think that 80% of posts on these forums complain of service, price, or both? After all the so called good "advice", "intel" and "Top Ten Do's and Don'ts" collected and endlessly flogged here? LOL.

So pay attention to YOUR budget, YOUR dick and YOUR diet. Don't be cowed by so called "vets".

Because the only folks who lie more than hoes, are mongers! They really don't care about you. Really!

But they want what you got, if you got it!

Good Luck!

Should have fucked them while you could:

"Police officers discreetly monitored various spots along the beach before making their arrests. The detainees included women from Uganda (9), Uzbekistan (8), Madagascar (2), and Rwanda (1), aged between 26 and 51.

During initial questioning, all 20 women admitted to arriving in Pattaya to work as sex workers catering to foreign clients. Authorities charged them under Section 5 of the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act, be. E. 2539 (1996), which prohibits public solicitation for prostitution in a manner deemed open, shameful, or disturbing to the public. ".

[URL]https://aseannow.us12.list-manage.com/track/click?u=1080ef7ae50b8923f9ea4d547&id=b9026bdcfb&e=56b8e2c51e[/URL]

[QUOTE=Buck011;2970946]More than enough so the girls don't have the necessity to lower the prices. [/QUOTE]I don't mind the prices of freelancers, most of those are negotiable anyway. What I found to be alarming was the prevalence of "condom everything" services from them. In my years on mongering, thai freelancers were usually just fine with bareback blowjobs but that wasn't the case on my last trip.

So yup, as you stated, there's clearly more than enough mongers out there who are ok with covered blowjobs for that to now become the norm service for thai WG freelancers.
[QUOTE=Buck011;2970946]
And every season it's the same story but reality is the only direction prices are going is north.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Multiple freelancers and bargirls told me post-covid spending and customers are still not at the high levels of pre-covid spending and customers, but prices continue to climb.

Also, Pattaya police just did another crack down on beach road Friday, which makes me think this is why many freelancers are increasing their prices: the perception of higher risks due to more tourist complaints during high season.
[QUOTE]
27 Dec 2024 CHON BURI - Twenty women from different countries were arrested in Pattaya beach town on Friday for allegedly providing sex services.

The arrests followed complaints made by locals and tourists about a group of foreign women standing at various spots along the beach and soliciting sex for money, which disturbed the public peace, said Pol Lt Col Piyapong Ensan, chief of Pattaya tourist police.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2928241/20-foreigners-arrested-for-prostitution-in-pattaya[/URL]

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2971107]
So yup, as you stated, there's clearly more than enough mongers out there who are ok with covered blowjobs for that to now become the norm service for thai WG freelancers.
[/QUOTE]I wouldn't say it's the norm. But it is so prevalent that I always negotiate BBBJ (and DFK) with any freelancer before I call her.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2971107]I don't mind the prices of freelancers, most of those are negotiable anyway. What I found to be alarming was the prevalence of "condom everything" services from them. In my years on mongering, thai freelancers were usually just fine with bareback blowjobs but that wasn't the case on my last trip.

So yup, as you stated, there's clearly more than enough mongers out there who are ok with covered blowjobs for that to now become the norm service for thai WG freelancers.
Agreed. Multiple freelancers and bargirls told me post-covid spending and customers are still not at the high levels of pre-covid spending and customers, but prices continue to climb.

Also, Pattaya police just did another crack down on beach road Friday, which makes me think this is why many freelancers are increasing their prices: the perception of higher risks due to more tourist complaints during high season.
[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2928241/20-foreigners-arrested-for-prostitution-in-pattaya[/URL][/QUOTE]LOL, this crackdown ccmes every year! The head comes into town this time of year basically to do photos ops and declare all is fine. Several years back declare no prostitution on WS he's got to visit to get his cut this is all smoke and mirrors!

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2971107]I don't mind the prices of freelancers, most of those are negotiable anyway. What I found to be alarming was the prevalence of "condom everything" services from them. In my years on mongering, thai freelancers were usually just fine with bareback blowjobs but that wasn't the case on my last trip. [/QUOTE]Which freelancers are you talking about exactly? From Beach Road? Clubs? Thai Friendly? I was in Pattaya last week and had no problems at all to find young (below 30), slim, attractive freelancers on Thai Friendly, who were willing to do everything without condom. So not just BBBJ but also BBFS, and the majority of them with CIP.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2971170]LOL, this crackdown ccmes every year! The head comes into town this time of year basically to do photos ops and declare all is fine. Several years back declare no prostitution on WS he's got to visit to get his cut this is all smoke and mirrors![/QUOTE]This was more of an immigration issue than a prostitution issue, but full credit for a two for one deal. According the reports I saw there were NO Thai ladies arrested.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2971037]You can actually tell who likes you and who doesn't. Pretty much.

If you see a see 6 girl you like and as you approach she turns real fast away- she doesn't like you.

The Hard ones are the introverts. Hahaha. They might like you, they take your money and say thank you but not much more. There's one like that at Oceans on Soi 6- she is just reserved as FKK. She will make eye contact and smile.

I saw a BBC approach a gaggle of Girls at OPPA. Known Korean Place. The girls scattered. I wonder if it was the SUB.[/QUOTE]There are four types of girls. There is the one who turns away her head with a look of disgust on her face, then there's the one who has a stoic expression on her face, then there's the girl who smiles at you and finally there's the girl who winks at you. If ever a girl in a lineup winks at you go with her without hesitation, you will be in for the time of your life.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2970824]Thai law is not an argument. It's the law. [/QUOTE]Show us the law. The actual law showing it is illegal.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2970824]A friendly reminder. You are not the Pattaya police, a thai lawyer, a thai sex worker, a thai bar girl, and you did not repeal Thailands 1996 Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act.

Feel free to show us what Thai law fully decriminalized prostitution[/QUOTE]Again, show us the law that states it is illegal. It is not hard to find for any other illegal activity after all. Why are you trying to reverse the situation? Does the law list every profession or act that is legal? No, it is illegal activities that are stated in laws. Murder is easy to find without any qualifiers required. So why isn't prostitution?

It has nothing to do with how tolerant law enforcement is with applying the law. There still needs to be a law for them to be tolerant about it. Similar to how in the Netherlands there is a tolerance to certain soft drugs. The Netherlands is known for this, yet the law (article 2 of the opiumlaw) specifically states that those drugs are illegal. Regardless of enforcement, there needs to be a law for something to be illegal. You can keep dancing around the topic, but unless there's even a single law stating prostitution itself (so not the side activities) is illegal, you have no argument.

This just comes across as illiterate and sad at this point. There's no legal text supporting you and certainly no policy either.

I guess someone forgot to tell the UN that prostitution in Thailand is not illegal. Shame they would go through all this trouble and spend all this money. Maybe they should have done their research before taking up the cause.

"UN urges Thailand to decriminalize sex work for healthcare access. The United Nations (UN) has recommended that Thailand should decriminalize sex work to ensure equal access to healthcare services and integrate victim support. This announcement was made during a press conference at the Renaissance Bangkok Ratchaprasong Hotel, where the Working Group on Discrimination Against Women and Girls discussed the state of women's and girls' rights in."

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2971039]Higher price does not mean Pretty.[/QUOTE]Agreed.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2971039]1000 baht does mean UGLY[/QUOTE]Disagree.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2971039]Come on bro. Think.[/QUOTE]Nothing to think about. You stated your opinion. I stated mine.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2971037]I saw a BBC approach a gaggle of Girls at OPPA. Known Korean Place. The girls scattered. I wonder if it was the SUB.[/QUOTE]Wasn't me!

I have an after hours girl from Soi 6 that suits me just fine. 1100 THB for a short time (2 -3 hours) that involves multiple orgasms for us both. I sourced her from Thai Friendly. Lots of BBBJ. Boom Boom, BBBJCIM, she is 26. She puts her own music on her phone on when she comes over. I actually have her send me her favorite YouTube sound tracks to me. She likes 808. She like the music I like.

I still haven't seen news reports of Thai women being arrested for prostitution. Nor have I seen reports of foreigners being arrested for hiring prostitutes. Every arrest report has other factors involved. The 60 frog marchers seem to have had their IDs recorded but not arrested. Am I the only one who noticed that video was from 11th July 2018?

What did I miss?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2971078]The detainees included women from Uganda (9), Uzbekistan (8), Madagascar (2), and Rwanda (1), aged between 26 and 51.[/QUOTE]For all you guys who were seeking black and Russian working girls in Pattaya I can now officially confirm there were at least 20 of them before a couple of days ago. .:)

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2971264]Every arrest report has other factors involved. [/QUOTE]

Correct. Having sex with a minor, busted with drugs involved, or sex in an illegal set up (ie upstairs private rooms in gogo bars circa 2016) are the usual stories you hear about guys being charged.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2971199]I guess someone forgot to tell the UN that prostitution in Thailand is not illegal. Shame they would go through all this trouble and spend all this money. Maybe they should have done their research before taking up the cause.

"UN urges Thailand to decriminalize sex work for healthcare access. The United Nations (UN) has recommended that Thailand should decriminalize sex work to ensure equal access to healthcare services and integrate victim support. This announcement was made during a press conference at the Renaissance Bangkok Ratchaprasong Hotel, where the Working Group on Discrimination Against Women and Girls discussed the state of women's and girls' rights in."[/QUOTE]The UN has some pretty good attorneys. Sex work in Thailand IS criminalized. That's what the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act does. You can't prostitute yourself in a prostitution establishment, etc. No one is saying it's not criminalized.

It's illegal to drive your car over the speed limit. Illegal to drive your car on the wrong side of the road. Illegal to drive it without the proper paperwork, and without a license and on and on. Some people here would argue that because of all those illegalities, driving must be illegal. It's not, and neither is prostitution in general. There is nothing in Thai law that says that having sex with another person who is 18 or older in exchange for something of value, I. E. , prostitution, is illegal. How it's done, where it's done, etc are criminalized to some extent. But not the act itself.

Decriminalizing prostitution takes away most of the exceptions written into the law now. That in turn helps protect the WGs. It wouldn't legalize prostitution, because it's already legal.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2971183]There are four types of girls. There is the one who turns away her head with a look of disgust on her face, then there's the one who has a stoic expression on her face, then there's the girl who smiles at you and finally there's the girl who winks at you. If ever a girl in a lineup winks at you go with her without hesitation, you will be in for the time of your life.[/QUOTE]Thats the Thermae selection process.

[B]This is the Pattya Reports threads[/B] I write this based on my experiences after being posted up in Pattaya for the last 18 months. Actually who first wrote:

[B]Your time; Your money; Your dick; Your call[/B]!

Gentleman, a prostitute is not a thing, a slave, a product. A prostitute is a live human being with feeling just like you. They are independent business women or independent contractors providing social / sexual service for an agreed upon price.

The prices at which these providers of social / sexual services choose to provided those social / sexual services vary by both appearance (yours) and personal need. Catch a girl that needs 500 THB right now and she will go with you if you offer her 500 THB.

But if a girl in an establishment where 2000 THB is the standard fee for social / sexual services then that is the fee she will quote you and accept. Has anyone gone into [U]Heaven Above[/U] and gotten BBBJ, Boom Boom and CIM finish for less than 2000 THB?

Lastly the types of services vary with the individual girl that is providing the social / sexual services:

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2971174]I was in Pattaya last week and had no problems at all to find young (below 30), slim, attractive freelancers on Thai Friendly, who were willing to do everything without condom. So not just BBBJ but also BBFS, and the majority of them with CIP.[/QUOTE]I am in Pattaya right now and my experiences are exactly the same as Mogwai and for the cost of 1200 THB - 2000 THB for short time.

[B]The defense rests[/B]!

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2971176]This was more of an immigration issue than a prostitution issue, but full credit for a two for one deal. According the reports I saw there were NO Thai ladies arrested.[/QUOTE]Here is how things works here for me, I'm not going to throw out Stats, where I got it, from who I got it, and when!

I once was briefed at a meeting as to how Pattaya is funded along with the rest of the country. With all the Hotels, tourist although Pattaya gets more money due to the fact they are part of the economy zone cities. Majority is based on actual register resident that being said not every Thai is register with the City I take at guess that at least 30% isn't. All the so call hotel tax doesn't mean it all stays in pattaya, Ten years ago, I was told officially there were only 350 government jobs in Pattaya, we are talking cops, fire, garbage, immigration, Doctors, nurses, impossible right! Majority are contracted when the register population grows so do that number by how much anyone guess? But last year reported budget for 2025 will be 19 Billion in which 16 is already accounted for do the math and that means 16 billion already taken for endless road word, garbage, police, wages that leaves 3 billion for new or emergency projects. So if beach road year after year 1 billion is allocated means a few millions taken off the top each year for the top dogs.

All smoke and mirrors no matter how you look at it, whether it be raids on Immigration or rounding up girls on Beach Road, cause a visit is going to be made each year. They don't have the resources and structural setup they want to be part of the International community doing so they get funding just like 10-15 million each year from the W. H. O. To fix being one of the worse countries to drive yet what do we see, signs! Does one really think an honest attempt is being made majority of money is all being pocketed.

So, when it comes to rounding up Immigration ladies working it is all smoke and mirriors, someone complaint because of that this is their solution. But since they have made it so easy for people to enter this country and stay should it be any surprise this is happening today, Before Covid, in Bangkok, Nigeria workers were all over Nana, then a complain in arrest and research realized majority of them were coming in on Student visa's after more digging the story always goes dead why it reaches names so high the story gets shut down.

The media here is under the control of the government they taper their writing to a point you never see real follow ups, digging expect anything like a 60 minute report don't hold your breath. Just a year ago and it was happening for years. The Chinese Triads had taken over half of the 72 provinces in Thailand the biggest ring was happening here in Pattaya, two of the largest entertainment building behind Big see, near Hollywood and Dilfer were taken over by one of the biggest bosses we are talking huge payments to the BIB Soi 9, Banglamung and the head man in Chon Buri, which Pattaya is part. Immigration in BKK, and Pattaya were handling out visa like candy. The Boss himself married the fat pig daughter of a General so he could operate freely being introduced to some of the richest faction in Thailand society to front their their money wasting in marrying he was given also Thai Citizenship This boss got so big and bold he brought in his own Chinese soldiers, even Chinese girls from the Mainland. My cousin flew in from H. K for one of his gatherings he told me it was like a scene from a Godfather movie he was running everything drugs, gambling, all under the usual name of import / export.

Before the raid, he got plenty of noticed and took off, in the raid it all started to unravel, but after the media write up for month it all gets shut down it goes too high up! The quietly replaced in Jomtien all the officials at the immigration in Jomtien. But now it is back to business as usual. So what you are talking is small stuff, it is all show and tell, some example's will be made but business as usual Laws are to be broken here. When there are raids here for Thais on Beach road, unless they are found with drugs pay a bit and go out and do it again. it Is recorded in a book not some computer, those who can pay, slip it under the table. I've knows a few girls on the Darkside, decent lookers police come to their club, arrest them papers not in order same as you haven't filled the Brown envelope enough. How they get out calls the Farang manager for example 50,000, do have negotiate, can't settle girls want out, police licks his chops makes a personal offer, let you out, tomorrow you meet me for dinner and suck my dick after. I take a guess majority of these Thai clubs, are owned by groups of Thai police same with majority of the gambling houses.

We can talk law all you guys want but the problem isn't the law. The only time you are going to get arrested is if you put yourself in a position to be arrested like so many fools, is stand on beach pull down your pants and billboard yourself, same as these stories of Russian having sex on the beach Stuff. You got to be pretty stupid to get arrested here. LOL.

Happy New Year fellas from LBM!

I don't try to overthink Pattata, Come over and try to have a good time. Drink, party, eat some good food and have sex with young attractive women. That's all the thinking I do about Pattaya. Ha ha ha.

Me too, right now I'm in Pattaya and I've no problems to fuck thai girls barbeack! Everyday I start around 4 pm in SOi 6 and I fuck 1 or 2 ladies there bareback then I go eat and finish the night in a gogo or bar in Soi Bukhao or Walking street or anywhere in Pattaya. I do only BBFS with young sexy ladies between 18 to 25. Spend between 7000 to 10 000 bahts per day!

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2971174]Which freelancers are you talking about exactly? From Beach Road? Clubs? Thai Friendly? I was in Pattaya last week and had no problems at all to find young (below 30), slim, attractive freelancers on Thai Friendly, who were willing to do everything without condom. So not just BBBJ but also BBFS, and the majority of them with CIP.[/QUOTE]

I searched through Pattaya reports but couldn't find any posts referencing edging. Wondering if any of the senior members here know of any ladies, freelancers, or masseuse, that knows how to provide great edging service through BBBJ and HJ? Many thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2971429]Me too, right now I'm in Pattaya and I've no problems to fuck thai girls barbeack! Everyday I start around 4 pm in SOi 6 and I fuck 1 or 2 ladies there bareback then I go eat and finish the night in a gogo or bar in Soi Bukhao or Walking street or anywhere in Pattaya. I do only BBFS with young sexy ladies between 18 to 25. Spend between 7000 to 10 000 bahts per day![/QUOTE]I agree. Never had any problems BBFS ladies from TF, gogo, or gents club. No pre-discussions or extra tips. It just happens naturally if you treat them well in bed. Just like you, I primarily see spinners between age of 18 22. Vast majority of the time the ladies just hop on BB without being prompted.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2971382]Here is how things works here for me, I'm not going to throw out Stats, where I got it, from who I got it, and when!

I once was briefed at a meeting as to how Pattaya is funded along with the rest of the country....[/QUOTE]That's a lot of interesting information you posted. Thanks.

Hi all,

Long time reader. First time poster.

I frequented Thailand a decade ago, so although I know the score, can you give me a few pointers on TF.

I'm heading there again in early March.

A lot of good TF advice in these pages, and in accordance with the same advice, I'm not going to beat about the Bush. I'll make my requests up front & clear.

I plan to pick up a TF chick for a 3-night stint in a decent resortish hotel in Pattaya.

Would the following be realistic requests to ask in a first contact message to them on TF?

- 100% women only.

- take a standard STD test in advance with printout in English (I can pay for it. Obvs only for all-clear ones &#128540.

- list of requests (eg Nuru massage, anal play).

- thinking of proposing bed & board and 1,500 BHT per day with a 1500 bht tip after the 3 days predicated on how they met my requests.

(entering off-season is helping dictate pricing here).

- energetic & active in bed. Not starfish.

Basically I want to know would the above frighten off the younger chicks or are they non-runners?

Any advice appreciated.

Thanks all.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2971392]I don't try to overthink Pattata, Come over and try to have a good time. Drink, party, eat some good food and have sex with young attractive women. That's all the thinking I do about Pattaya. Ha ha ha.[/QUOTE]Yes, yes, legal or not that his exactly what one should do.

Hi all,

Long time reader, first time poster.

I used to frequent Thailand a lot a decade ago, and I'm looking to go again next March.

I'm liking what I see about Thai friendly. And I'm looking to pick up a girl for a three day stint in a decent resortish hotel with poolside bar in Pattaya.

I've seen a lot of advice about TF and will be looking to be direct and clear in my initial communication.

To this end, can you please advise if any of my requests or message below would be received well by TF girls or would be non-starters?

- A recent STD test report in English the price to be covered by me.

- A list of requests including nuru massage and anal play.

- A request that the girls be active and energetic and not starfish.

- For pricing, bed and board for three nights, 1500 bht per day plus a tip of 1500 if the three day stint goes well.

(price seems reasonable as it is entering the off-season).

Thanks guys. Let me know what you think.

I'm starting to think there is a You Tuber mafia operating. You better not get out of line. People are Watching.

No this doesn't apply to fat farang tourist women filming Soi 6 the past few dsys. If I see one I cover my face. Hahaha.

You know that crippled lady on Walk Street selling 20 baht item. She was dropped off near beach road McDonalds in a big Luxury car. Definitely Mafia Business these Beggars.

[QUOTE=Boyo544;2971536]I plan to pick up a TF chick for a 3-night stint in a decent resortish hotel in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]I think it is a ridiculous idea. I am going to get online and look for a cook for 3 days. I want them to know how to make lasagna, french toast, pina colada, and stir fry. They come over and the lasagna is overcooked, the pina colada is too sweet, they use brown rice in the stir fry, and after they wash the dishes they are still greasy.

You do not know anything about the person or if you will have any chemistry. Just because they agree to a list, does not mean it would be to your liking. Many times on ISG it has been suggested to spend some time with the person seeing if they are a match, instead of blindly agreeing to several days just because they said you could fuck them in the ass and would massage you with some gel.

[QUOTE=Boyo544;2971561]To this end, can you please advise if any of my requests or message below would be received well by TF girls or would be non-starters?
- A recent STD test report in English the price to be covered by me.
- A list of requests including nuru massage and anal play.
- A request that the girls be active and energetic and not starfish.[/QUOTE]I highly doubt you will get any responses with this line of questioning. Ladies on TF generally only respond to messages asking "can you come over now?" And "how much for ST or LT?" No one is going to discuss their STD history with you much less share a test report. I also doubt any of them would know what "nuru" is. I have never even seen massage places in Pattaya use actual nuru gel. Soap yes, nuru no.

[QUOTE=Boyo544;2971561]Hi all,

Long time reader, first time poster.

I used to frequent Thailand a lot a decade ago, and I'm looking to go again next March.

I'm liking what I see about Thai friendly. And I'm looking to pick up a girl for a three day stint in a decent resortish hotel with poolside bar in Pattaya.

I've seen a lot of advice about TF and will be looking to be direct and clear in my initial communication.

To this end, can you please advise if any of my requests or message below would be received well by TF girls or would be non-starters?

- A recent STD test report in English the price to be covered by me.

- A list of requests including nuru massage and anal play.

- A request that the girls be active and energetic and not starfish.

- For pricing, bed and board for three nights, 1500 bht per day plus a tip of 1500 if the three day stint goes well.

(price seems reasonable as it is entering the off-season).

Thanks guys. Let me know what you think.[/QUOTE]A non-starter.

In real life, what you should do is go to Pattaya, try out some ladies, and then invite one for your 3 day fantasy.

TF is only useful if you are looking for a lady right now. Not tomorrow, not next week. No lady knows if she is going to get a customer tonight who barfines her for a week.

[QUOTE=Boyo544;2971561]I'm liking what I see about Thai friendly. And I'm looking to pick up a girl for a three day stint in a decent resortish hotel with poolside bar in Pattaya.
[/QUOTE]ThaiFriendly has hookers who want to meet today (or maybe tomorrow), it also has non-hookers who want to get to know a you and eventually have a lifetime relationship with you and your money. Very few of them have the English skills to read and comprehend the text that you suggest. That's just for starters, next consider that 1,500 baht per day is low and that nuru and anal play and STD testing would make your offer less attractive. Don't expect early March to get a low season girl discount, I'm currently booking my March trip and finding multiple hotels fully booked.

[QUOTE=Mystic23;2971776]I also doubt any of them would know what "nuru" is. I have never even seen massage places in Pattaya use actual nuru gel. Soap yes, nuru no.[/QUOTE]The soapies have nuru now. Just something for them to be able to charge extra for. Before that some massage place on Soi Lengkee had it years ago, but that place closed down. Probably because nobody was trying to pay 2000 baht for a nuru massage.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2971788]ThaiFriendly has hookers who want to meet today (or maybe tomorrow), it also has non-hookers who want to get to know a you and eventually have a lifetime relationship with you and your money. Very few of them have the English skills to read and comprehend the text that you suggest. That's just for starters, next consider that 1,500 baht per day is low and that nuru and anal play and STD testing would make your offer less attractive. Don't expect early March to get a low season girl discount, I'm currently booking my March trip and finding multiple hotels fully booked.[/QUOTE]1,500 a day. His Heores are the BBC and Mr E.

I swear people think they are GOD getting such low pricing. Hahaha. Hahaha. LOL. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=Boyo544;2971561]Hi all,

Long time reader, first time poster.

I used to frequent Thailand a lot a decade ago, and I'm looking to go again next March.

I'm liking what I see about Thai friendly. And I'm looking to pick up a girl for a three day stint in a decent resortish hotel with poolside bar in Pattaya.

I've seen a lot of advice about TF and will be looking to be direct and clear in my initial communication.

To this end, can you please advise if any of my requests or message below would be received well by TF girls or would be non-starters?

- A recent STD test report in English the price to be covered by me.

- A list of requests including nuru massage and anal play.

- A request that the girls be active and energetic and not starfish.

- For pricing, bed and board for three nights, 1500 bht per day plus a tip of 1500 if the three day stint goes well.

(price seems reasonable as it is entering the off-season).

Thanks guys. Let me know what you think.[/QUOTE]What I think? I think girls will be lining up around the block for a chance to get 1500 per day spent getting fucked in the ass, massaging you, and enjoying what is no doubt your pleasant company for 24 hours a day. With you even including bed and boarding, that is, they will not have to pay their own 50% for the room you'll be staying in together, it will sound like the deal of the decade to most of these girls.

Too avoid girls only in it for the money, and too reduce the amount of offers you get to something manageable, as no doubt the offers /will/ be pouring in, I suggest you insist on them paying for their half of the room during that three day stint, but you will pay for the food, within reasonable means.

[QUOTE=Boyo544;2971561]Hi all,

Long time reader, first time poster.

I used to frequent Thailand a lot a decade ago, and I'm looking to go again next March.

I'm liking what I see about Thai friendly. And I'm looking to pick up a girl for a three day stint in a decent resortish hotel with poolside bar in Pattaya.

I've seen a lot of advice about TF and will be looking to be direct and clear in my initial communication.

To this end, can you please advise if any of my requests or message below would be received well by TF girls or would be non-starters?

- A recent STD test report in English the price to be covered by me.

- A list of requests including nuru massage and anal play.

- A request that the girls be active and energetic and not starfish.

- For pricing, bed and board for three nights, 1500 bht per day plus a tip of 1500 if the three day stint goes well.

(price seems reasonable as it is entering the off-season).

Thanks guys. Let me know what you think.[/QUOTE]Please don't overpay and spoil it for the rest of us. 800 B should be more than enough per day for your totally reasonable requests. After all they will get to sleep in an AC room on a soft bed. Hell, they should be paying you. Millionaire mongers like you are really spoiling Thailand.

Things are a changing.

Approach buy 3 dirty people asking for money. All Scruffy Thais.

I'm seeing Homeless all over Pattaya.

All because the village clown refuse to pay Fair. 500 baht. LOL. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=Boyo544;2971561]To this end, can you please advise if any of my requests or message below would be received well by TF girls or would be non-starters?

- A recent STD test report in English the price to be covered by me.
- A list of requests including nuru massage and anal play.
- A request that the girls be active and energetic and not starfish.
- For pricing, bed and board for three nights, 1500 bht per day plus a tip of 1500 if the three day stint goes well.


Thanks guys. Let me know what you think.[/QUOTE]What I think? Your prices are off by 10 years and 90% of the ladies will block you within minutes for being a time waster and low baller as soon as they see this list of requirements.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2971795]The soapies have nuru now. Just something for them to be able to charge extra for. Before that some massage place on Soi Lengkee had it years ago, but that place closed down. Probably because nobody was trying to pay 2000 baht for a nuru massage.[/QUOTE]The problem is probably more about the very lame service provided than the money spent.

People don't want to spend 2 K on something inexistent, that's for sure.

If they were providing a real nuru B2B they wouldn't have enough girls providing all the potential customers.

We've seen it all over BKK, only 1 or 2 places are said to provide real nuru B2B (Mitu and Dokidoki, and not even all their girls are able to give a good service), every others tried to scam people, writing nuru on the card, charging much more for nothing, because the girls don't have the ability to make a proper nuru B2B.

[QUOTE=Boyo544;2971561]Hi all,


- For pricing, bed and board for three nights, 1500 bht per day plus a tip of 1500 if the three day stint goes well.

Thanks guys. Let me know what you think.[/QUOTE]I went to Pattaya last January and on the basis of the recommendations I got I offered 2. 5 k for full night to girls from TF. I was having a hard time getting good talent. This time I plan to offer 3. 5 k for the same.

I am looking for slim / petite girls under 25. Seniors, please let me know if the amount is adequate or should I offer more. I am looking for 3 rounds with BJs. It would be a plus in my books if the girl like to go out with me for playing pool or some other fun activities.

Looking forward to your suggestions and advice.

MU.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2971916]The problem is probably more about the very lame service provided than the money spent.

People don't want to spend 2 K on something inexistent, that's for sure.

If they were providing a real nuru B2B they wouldn't have enough girls providing all the potential customers.

We've seen it all over BKK, only 1 or 2 places are said to provide real nuru B2B (Mitu and Dokidoki, and not even all their girls are able to give a good service), every others tried to scam people, writing nuru on the card, charging much more for nothing, because the girls don't have the ability to make a proper nuru B2B.[/QUOTE]Plus providers are mostly old and uglee.

[QUOTE=Intrepid123;2971898]What I think? Your prices are off by 10 years and 90% of the ladies will block you within minutes for being a time waster and low baller as soon as they see this list of requirements.[/QUOTE]The tip is impressive. 33%.

Imagine being a bargirl an you had to put up with this khrap. I like a girl at Palace but mostly because she has nice tit's I like to see.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2971803]1,500 a day. [b]His Heores are the BBC and Mr E[/b]. I swear people think they are GOD getting such low pricing. Hahaha. Hahaha. LOL. Hahaha.[/QUOTE][U]The Cmdr's thoughts on the subject[/U]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2971796]One of the things I have noticed here on ISG is that the individuals who comment negatively on the amounts that others spend usually do not have have flow that allows them to develop their stack for their [B]International Trickin[/B] activities that they prefer.

More importantly they don't understand basic economics. They make statements as if one transaction that they think was a overpayment will change the entire pussy market. That cannot happen in any market. But because these individuals do not understand market forces in general they do not understand that one individual transaction between two people cannot by itself change the marketplace.

Of course, higher price means the person who paid it felt it provided value to get what they wanted. How does the money anyone spends in a club where someone else is not in or does not go affect any other person?[/QUOTE][B]Mr E[/B] makes an offer and the girl accepts it. Can someone please give me some insights into exactly what is the problem with methods or his price point?

He even has shared with us that he only pays 16.67% less for short time than he does for longtime. I don't have to be someone's fan boy or constant critic in order to acknowledge actionable intelligence when I see it. If I did long time [B]Mr E's[/B] price point on [U]Thai Friendly[/U] would be my opening offer.

[QUOTE=Intrepid123;2971898]What I think? Your prices are off by 10 years and 90% of the ladies will block you within minutes for being a time waster and low baller as soon as they see this list of requirements.[/QUOTE]At 1500 baht I am lucky to get a young attractive girl to accept ST. Most bar girls and Soi 6 girls now are expecting at least 1500 for short time. So I don't think they would be very excited about your offer. They can make more elsewhere but there might be older girls or less attractive girls interested. I agree that this is an offer that might have been attractive 10 years ago.

[QUOTE=MongerUnleash;2972016]I went to Pattaya last January and on the basis of the recommendations I got I offered 2. 5 k for full night to girls from TF. I was having a hard time getting good talent. This time I plan to offer 3. 5 k for the same.

I am looking for slim / petite girls under 25. Seniors, please let me know if the amount is adequate or should I offer more. I am looking for 3 rounds with BJs. It would be a plus in my books if the girl like to go out with me for playing pool or some other fun activities.

Looking forward to your suggestions and advice.

MU.[/QUOTE]That amount should be much more than adequate. If not, move on to someone else. Check thaiflirting as well, not just thaifriendly. Also [URL]badoo.com[/URL] and the Litmatch app but be preparing for having to do a lot of translating there.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2972023][U]The Cmdr's thoughts on the subject[/U]

[B]Mr E[/B] makes an offer and the girl accepts it. Can someone please give me some insights into exactly what is the problem with methods or his price point?

He even has shared with us that he only pays 16.67% less for short time than he does for longtime. I don't have to be someone's fan boy or constant critic in order to acknowledge actionable intelligence when I see it. If I did long time [B]Mr E's[/B] price point on [U]Thai Friendly[/U] would be my opening offer.[/QUOTE]The problem is he doesn't acknowledge he goes for low quality just like you.

I have been to Pattya few times and this is the first time visiting Pattaya on June. Is this the off season? Is that raining season?

Let me know pros and cons of visiting during off season?

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2972066][b]The problem is he doesn't acknowledge he goes for low quality just like you[/b].[/QUOTE]Please define low quality? Other than your personal opinion what evidence do you have to support your statement? Have you ever seen a girl that I have hired to be my prostitute?

[QUOTE=Boyo544;2971561]
- For pricing, bed and board for three nights, 1500 bht per day plus a tip of 1500 if the three day stint goes well.[/QUOTE]That might work in 2007. Its now 2025 and only an old, desperate, ugly WG with bad service would agree to that. Many beach road streewalkers can make 1500 in 1 hour.

Price is about supply and demand. You cannot ask for a dime piece stunner model with excellent service and massages who agrees to anal, at 1 hour streetwalker prices. It doesn't match reality.

I've attached a picture of a freelancer I met at insomnia and took home several times about 9 years ago, I have no idea what happened to her or where she went since about 6 year ago. But my point is when you're looking for the best of the best, they're not going to agree to rock bottom prices.

[QUOTE=CrazyStick;2972139]I have been to Pattya few times and this is the first time visiting Pattaya on June. Is this the off season? Is that raining season?

Let me know pros and cons of visiting during off season?[/QUOTE]June: still lots of ladies left over from High Season, but now they are getting desperate.

It might rain a bit in the late afternoon.

Lots of hotels available.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2972251]That might work in 2007. Its now 2025 and only an old, desperate, ugly WG with bad service would agree to that. Many beach road streewalkers can make 1500 in 1 hour.

Price is about supply and demand. You cannot ask for a dime piece stunner model with excellent service and massages who agrees to anal, at 1 hour streetwalker prices. It doesn't match reality.

I've attached a picture of a freelancer I met at insomnia and took home several times about 9 years ago, I have no idea what happened to her or where she went since about 6 year ago. But my point is when you're looking for the best of the best, they're not going to agree to rock bottom prices.[/QUOTE]If he really looks for it then he might find a women from 35 and up that might agree to that. She gets a trip and vacation as well. Thais themselves pay women in that age 1500 for a night. Might even be 1000 in some parts of Thailand. And don't make it sound like all women on beach road or pattayas bars are drowning in customers. This is not the case. There are proberbly some women that will be happy to take his offer. But most likely not a younger and cuter one.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2972027]At 1500 baht I am lucky to get a young attractive girl to accept ST. Most bar girls and Soi 6 girls now are expecting at least 1500 for short time. So I don't think they would be very excited about your offer. They can make more elsewhere but there might be older girls or less attractive girls interested. I agree that this is an offer that might have been attractive 10 years ago.[/QUOTE]They might be expecting 1500 but there are some that accept 1000-1200 as well. They try the higher prices but will likely accept lower prices. Its not like there are drowes of guys paying every women 2 k for 30 minutes.

[QUOTE=CrazyStick;2972139]I have been to Pattya few times and this is the first time visiting Pattaya on June. Is this the off season? Is that raining season?

Let me know pros and cons of visiting during off season?[/QUOTE]Another issue when people post Khrap.

Low season is not that much different from High season.

Rainy season might be an issue. It does rain. Hahaha.

New years might be an issue. It actually is Busy.

Last night at OnShore soi 6 I saw the biggest Tower Bought.

Looks Impressive and expensive. I'm Happy people were supporting the Bar. Hahaha.

I just returned from a great week in Pattaya.

I am dark skinned Indian who lives in the USA.

When I visited Bangkok about 20 years ago discrimination by gals in clubs was huge.

I found discrimination to be equally high at SOI 6 clubs in Pattaya. I was NOT welcomed as I walked down Soi 6 like the white guys were warmly welcomed. This was very hurtful and made me resent Soi 6.

Fortunately there was far less discrimination on beach road.

I was able to have great sessions at reasonable prices from gals on beach road. 800 bhat / HR or 1200 Bhat for 2 hrs.

I am interested in sensual experience. Not just F'ing.

What I did not like about 'short time' service on beach road is that most would not agree to the entire hour being my time. They kept saying 'one shot' and they are done.

What I want it the full hour is mine, start with play time for the first 30 minutes before serious sex and most of the good looking gals on beach road would not accept that.

But enough cuties accepted it that I ultimately had a great time. After struggling to find the ones that agree to my terms.

Prices less than half what I normally pay in Tijuana. So prices in Pattaya are great to my usual stomping ground.

Will only return as a stopover between India and USA. Would not make the trip from USA. Too far!

I loved the beach and beach scene in Pattaya. And the fact that it is lit up at night is awesome and makes Pattaya very very special.

So, I may seriously consider retiring in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Boyo544;2971561]Hi all,

Long time reader, first time poster.

I used to frequent Thailand a lot a decade ago, and I'm looking to go again next March.

I'm liking what I see about Thai friendly. And I'm looking to pick up a girl for a three day stint in a decent resortish hotel with poolside bar in Pattaya.

I've seen a lot of advice about TF and will be looking to be direct and clear in my initial communication.

To this end, can you please advise if any of my requests or message below would be received well by TF girls or would be non-starters?

- A recent STD test report in English the price to be covered by me.

- A list of requests including nuru massage and anal play.

- A request that the girls be active and energetic and not starfish.

- For pricing, bed and board for three nights, 1500 bht per day plus a tip of 1500 if the three day stint goes well.

(price seems reasonable as it is entering the off-season).

Thanks guys. Let me know what you think.[/QUOTE]Wahhhhahahahahaa.

This is the funniest thing I seen in a long time.

1500 a day for a dame with prescribed services and VDRL test. I have been to Pattaya few weeks back and TF was only app I used to get what I want, after a lot of chatting and aksing what I wanted and a young good looking girl I paid 2500 for first night as I wanted to try it out and once I liked, negotiated for 2 more days in Jomtien beach resort for 4 k per night, after a hard talking to more then 10-12 odd girls I think I paid a fair prices. This is my guess.

[QUOTE=Boyo544;2971536]Hi all,

Long time reader. First time poster.

I frequented Thailand a decade ago, so although I know the score, can you give me a few pointers on TF.

I'm heading there again in early March.

A lot of good TF advice in these pages, and in accordance with the same advice, I'm not going to beat about the Bush. I'll make my requests up front & clear.

I plan to pick up a TF chick for a 3-night stint in a decent resortish hotel in Pattaya.

Would the following be realistic requests to ask in a first contact message to them on TF?

- 100% women only.

- take a standard STD test in advance with printout in English (I can pay for it. Obvs only for all-clear ones &#128540.

- list of requests (eg Nuru massage, anal play).

- thinking of proposing bed & board and 1,500 BHT per day with a 1500 bht tip after the 3 days predicated on how they met my requests.

(entering off-season is helping dictate pricing here).

- energetic & active in bed. Not starfish.

Basically I want to know would the above frighten off the younger chicks or are they non-runners?

Any advice appreciated.

Thanks all.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2972264]They might be expecting 1500 but there are some that accept 1000-1200 as well. They try the higher prices but will likely accept lower prices. Its not like there are drowes of guys paying every women 2 k for 30 minutes.[/QUOTE]It's 1 hour, why do you talk about 30 minute?

Hello.

I'm in Pattaya next week to plan a bachelor trip for a friend, on a sort of recce.

We will be about 12 guys coming for 4-5 days sometime in Feb, and since I was in the region mid-January, I thought I'll pop over to pattaya and do a little bit of exploring so that we can plan a proper trip.

Initially, I tried to find any agency etc which can do a full itinerary for us, including all exotic and erotic activities but could not really find anyone.

So just wanted to ask, if you'll could recommend the best couple of places for.

A. Normal Massages.

Be. Soapy / Nuru Massages.

See. BJ Bars.

The. Discos where we may take a girl previously booked.

E. gogo bars where we can have good drinks and then take girls.

F. service which can send girls to our villa on the days we want to party indoors only.

While we're not looking for top shelf, we're neither looking at the bottom of the barrel. Value-for-money would be our ideal.

I've read tons of reports, but its all over the place so I felt like asking straight off.

Thanks for the help in advance.

Landed in Pattaya on the 24th, installed TF, and boom—90 matches in a day! Never felt so validated in my life. Took a shot with a baddie, Frah (24 F, Chiang Mai).

She seemed cool, quoted 2200 for LT, and genuinely down.

Things got disappointing as she kept postponing our meet-up from 10 PM to 11 to 12 because of a friend's mental breakdown (Pattaya vibes, I guess? Finally, we planned to meet outside Lucifer Go-Go. She suggested I come inside to join her and her friends. Big red flag popped in my head: "Am I about to fund a friend's drinks festival?" Politely noped out of that and asked if she still wanted to hang solo.

Fast forward: We're at at a motel recommended by her. She's shy but cool. First round was ahem brief, and let's just say Johnny didn't pack a raincoat. She laughed, "Why you guys never use condom?" I hit her with the classic: "I like it raw. ".

Then came the highlight: The massage. Turns out she's a masseuse by day, and boy, did she deliver. Tiny but mighty—my back's never felt better. Post-massage? Reels, horror Thai shows, and sleep (her on her phone, me snoring like a champ).

5 AM: Woke up with Johnny saluting like Burj Khalifa. Round two? Cardio king mode activated. Finished strong 40-45 minutes. Multiple positions, CIM. Slept till 9 then said our goodbyes, and walked out feeling like the protagonist of an action movie.

Damages:

LT: 2200 + 100 tip.

Room: 600.

Cab: 200.

People thinks that taking a girl "on vacation" (theirs, the punter), adding food and accommodation will lead to them to accept a minimal fee.

This might work on 5% of the cases. Girls picked up from TF or alikes are there to mak money, not holidays, so the majority looks for money (to spend for herself or send back to the family). It's the punter commodity to have her around full time and so take her along wherever he wants to spend his time.

There will be also other side spendings, as the girls like shopping when a farang is involved. They see it as a child ave to access something she dreams of and she will jump on the opportunity: bags, shoes.

So the whole picture described in the plan (looks like a business plan, a professional project) seems quite disillusioned to me.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2972263]If he really looks for it then he might find a women from 35 and up that might agree to that. She gets a trip and vacation as well. Thais themselves pay women in that age 1500 for a night. Might even be 1000 in some parts of Thailand. And don't make it sound like all women on beach road or pattayas bars are drowning in customers. This is not the case. There are proberbly some women that will be happy to take his offer. But most likely not a younger and cuter one.[/QUOTE]The question is not if he can find it, the question is at what cost. What WG is he willing to accept at that price point and how long is he willing to look for it? He can find it at beer bars but beer bars are still countless.

In my experience, only 1% of WGs are even worth having sex with so a good portion of you visit is just hunting. Let a lone agreeing to multiple days.

Hell, many mongers have even periodically gotten sex for free from freelancers (I've done it, many others have done it, some women like to do it to get you in a long term relationship), but that doesn't mean we want it. I didn't fly all the way to thailand to fuck the same WGs I did on my last trip.

Yesterday, I had a girl at soi 6. I would call her a solid 7. Better looking than many in the soi, but nothing special. The session was good too. DFK, BBBJ, multiple positions. Good but nothing special. This is why I would expect her to charge more or less the going rate. We didn't discuss money before we went upstairs. After the session I've gave her 1500. But she asked for 2000. Because she seemed so certain and asked so naturally that I didn't try to negotiate and just paid her. To me it seems that 2000 is now the going rate, at least for the decent looking girls.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2972411]People thinks that taking a girl "on vacation" (theirs, the punter), adding food and accommodation will lead to them to accept a minimal fee.[/QUOTE]They will. The girls know the pay in Thailand. It is the punters that come in and think 1500 baht is small money, but it is a lotta bit to Thais. None of them are sending 100,000 baht home per month. A normal job pays like 10,000.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2972411]There will be also other side spendings, as the girls like shopping when a farang is involved. They see it as a child ave to access something she dreams of and she will jump on the opportunity: bags, shoes.[/QUOTE]I beg to differ. That is always the foreigner's idea, not the girls'. You know how many chicks have told me about foreigners forcing iphones on them? 20 years of going to Thailand and I have never had a chick ask me to buy her shit except food.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2972411]So the whole picture described in the plan (looks like a business plan, a professional project) seems quite disillusioned to me.[/QUOTE]I think the plan is easy, except he needs to have boots on the gound and meet someone he clicks with to do it. Not just go around to random people online with his checklist.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2972445]They will. The girls know the pay in Thailand. It is the punters that come in and think 1500 baht is small money, but it is a lotta bit to Thais. None of them are sending 100,000 baht home per month. A normal job pays like 10,000.

I beg to differ. That is always the foreigner's idea, not the girls'. You know how many chicks have told me about foreigners forcing iphones on them? 20 years of going to Thailand and I have never had a chick ask me to buy her shit except food.

I think the plan is easy, except he needs to have boots on the gound and meet someone he clicks with to do it. Not just go around to random people online with his checklist.[/QUOTE]I pay 2000 LT for relatively short periods of time.

I pay 1000 a day for for multi-week periods.

In between, I pay on a sliding scale, maybe 10,000 a week.

I don't take the lady shopping, except in emergencies. One time, a lady's cell phone died in Argentina, and I bought her a cheap Samsung.

[QUOTE=Safado70;2972439]Yesterday, I had a girl at soi 6. I would call her a solid 7. Better looking than many in the soi, but nothing special. The session was good too. DFK, BBBJ, multiple positions. Good but nothing special. This is why I would expect her to charge more or less the going rate. We didn't discuss money before we went upstairs. After the session I've gave her 1500. But she asked for 2000. Because she seemed so certain and asked so naturally that I didn't try to negotiate and just paid her. To me it seems that 2000 is now the going rate, at least for the decent looking girls.[/QUOTE]Price should always be discussed with the girl before going upstairs with her.

Not all the girls are quoting the same price, and at this period, they are charging more than in low season.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2972510]18 months plus of being posted up in Pattaya and I have not had a girl ask me to buy her anything. In general it is not something I have found that Thai Girls do. I have had a couple of loan requests which I shut down immediately. [B]But I do have one girl that I will buy things for when she asks me[/B].

A mental attitude of poverty is deeply embedded among many of the posters here. Example below:



That is what your stack is for.[/QUOTE]I didn't come to Pattaya to try to outspend Koreans to get a lady. If I wanted to throw money at ladies, I could have just stayed in Tijuana, Mexico and paid $150 for a ST for a silicon enhanced Mexicana.

Pattaya does have its attractions outside of bars and bargirls, but if it becomes too expensive, I am out of here.

[QUOTE=Rambo1969;2972321]I just returned from a great week in Pattaya.

I am dark skinned Indian who lives in the USA.

When I visited Bangkok about 20 years ago discrimination by gals in clubs was huge.

I found discrimination to be equally high at SOI 6 clubs in Pattaya. I was NOT welcomed as I walked down Soi 6 like the white guys were warmly welcomed. This was very hurtful and made me resent Soi 6.

Fortunately there was far less discrimination on beach road.

I was able to have great sessions at reasonable prices from gals on beach road. 800 bhat / HR or 1200 Bhat for 2 hrs.

I am interested in sensual experience. Not just F'ing.

What I did not like about 'short time' service on beach road is that most would not agree to the entire hour being my time. They kept saying 'one shot' and they are done.

What I want it the full hour is mine, start with play time for the first 30 minutes before serious sex and most of the good looking gals on beach road would not accept that.

But enough cuties accepted it that I ultimately had a great time. After struggling to find the ones that agree to my terms.

Prices less than half what I normally pay in Tijuana. So prices in Pattaya are great to my usual stomping ground.

Will only return as a stopover between India and USA. Would not make the trip from USA. Too far!

I loved the beach and beach scene in Pattaya. And the fact that it is lit up at night is awesome and makes Pattaya very very special.

So, I may seriously consider retiring in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Did you try Thai Friendly?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2972651]Did you try Thai Friendly?[/QUOTE]Nope. I was not there long enough to go that route. I was too busy the entire time.

My hotel is on Beach Road so exceptionnaly I decided to go there for an early night walk. Half past eight was too soon: hardly any action. At a quarter past ten there was some action, but nothing to write home about. Maybe 5 girls I'd rate doable. The usual trannies. I say "usual" because there seemed to be also a lack of new talent among the trannies.

A week or so ago the mainstream Thailand press reported that police in Pattaya had rounded up the black girls. The assumption (the hope) that they would be released after paying bribes could be wrong. I saw only one black girl on my walk. She was one I'd never spotted before so perhaps she landed after the police raid. Were the black girls rounded up at the behest of the Thai girls? If so one more reason to stay away from Beach Road. Staying away will not be difficult for me, from past experience and from what I saw today. The walk as such was not even pleasant in spite of Thailand's mild Januray temperature. Too many prowling men. The ubiquitous smell of rotting garbage. The blind and otherwise handicapped beggers playing blaring music.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2972445]
I beg to differ. That is always the foreigner's idea, not the girls'. You know how many chicks have told me about foreigners forcing iphones on them? 20 years of going to Thailand and I have never had a chick ask me to buy her shit except food.
[/QUOTE]They don't ask you because they know you'll just laugh at them. It's different for others.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2972445]
I think the plan is easy, except he needs to have boots on the gound and meet someone he clicks with to do it. Not just go around to random people online with his checklist.[/QUOTE]Yes, if you click with a girl it's doable. Some random farang dude sending that list to random girls on thaifriendly, hoping to find some girl who will be ready to show him the std results she paid for in advance when his flight from Alabama lands, before getting fucked in the ass by him, and spending the next three days massaging and continuing getting fucked in the ass by him for 1500?
Might this be one of the rare examples, outside of quantum physics, of something having a negative probability?

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2972609]I didn't come to Pattaya to try to outspend Koreans to get a lady. If I wanted to throw money at ladies, I could have just stayed in Tijuana, Mexico and paid $150 for a ST for a silicon enhanced Mexicana.

Pattaya does have its attractions outside of bars and bargirls, but if it becomes too expensive, I am out of here.[/QUOTE]I haven't been to Tijuana in a while. I used to always pay $80 at Adelita's. I wonder if they ever reopened? Pattaya has so many different venues for ladies and accommodation I don't think it can get too expensive. Not for another 10 years. After that you never know. Walking street go gos used to be very reasonably priced so I guess anything is possible.

Some fools have to outspend Koreans to get a girl because they have no game and dress funny. Black dress shoes and shorts. Or cheap Biaggi shoes you can buy everywhere in town. And they are likely to stay in Pattaya because of legal issues they have in their country of origin.

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Why some people cannot mind their own business until the are able to get laid I again I have not idea. I guess just walking around with a hard dick and full ball grates on the mental state of some people. [B]Allover is one of those people[/B].

[B]Where are at right now Allover[/B]? I am in Pattaya, Thailand. If I had to guess your are somewhere in sex prison in (insert country of origin). Are you looking forward for your new president elect to make your country great for your people again? Have you already purchased a new white hoodie? Get that bad boy pressed and contact Nee-haw because he is coming back from Cambodia in order to celebrate with you.

[QUOTE=Allover;2972726]Those Lotus Biscoff brand cookies are great. Very addictive.[/QUOTE]The only thing I am addicted to is pussy ya *****. You are addicted to your hand!

[QUOTE=Allover;2972726]But you bought a lot of cookies I'm guessing at Villa Market.[/QUOTE]You are wrong. Guess again?

[QUOTE=Allover;2972726]You should find Villa Market for farang food after you get settled in.[/QUOTE]I have spent more nights in Thailand than you have. You are the reading my reports for information. Tell me why should I do that. Although I have to admit you have passed one some good information about shoes. LOL!

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2972391][B]Are you telling you dont spend any money while in Thailand[/B]? I cannot go out for less than 3500 THB. Sometimes that includes a booty bill some times it does not. I was just in Heaven Above the night before NYE and I spent [b]10,000[/b]. I picked up everything at the table, set ups, Lady Drinks for the girl entertaining him, Lady Drinks for my girls. I keep them flowing. She was like I'm a little drunk. The Tequila got me. It was her choice she requested them.

I still had my two bottles. There is a enough for one more party before I have to re-up. In case you forgot it I got the Goose and the Makers working. Mamason drinks vodka and cranberry. Bought her a drink. She did not like the house brand while she was at my table. I was like pour up the The Goose and mix it up with he cranberry. I like the same thing.

You know what they say: [B]Goose got me loose[/B]!

That includes the bar fine and her fee for the night. We were in my room by 0000 and she rolled out at 0750. I checked my watch as she left out the door. Two BBBJCIM one CFS Boom Boom. Based on her request and my personal limitations. My dick still works so I can pound away on that nasty thing while wearing a condom. Plus I keep a water based lube because they can dry some girls up. This was not a problem for here. If you had a pin hole camera somewhere in my room you might have saw my head between her legs and her twisting and turning while making sexy noises as she orgasmed twice and her squirt wound up on my face both times. I am not saying that happened. Just that you might have seen that if you had the right surveillance equipment in my room. It was the second best experience that I have ever had since I have been posted up in Pattaya. She had a gorgeous body and treated me even better like an absolute KING! She made us coffee in the morning and over coffee we discussed how things worked in the club and her personal finances. DAMN! Those [B]Jedi Mind Tricks[/B] I have been studying are working.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Allover;2972726]Will you be taking them to your gentleman club manager? [/QUOTE]No, only sorry ass mother fuckers such as yourself do things like that.

[QUOTE=Allover;2972726]Or giving them to the girls in the hopes they'll turn down a Korean to hang with your sorry azz?[/QUOTE]Did you enjoy beating your dick while reading my reports?

[QUOTE=Allover;2953794]When Japanese and Korean guys are present, the rest of us have problems competing with them too.[/QUOTE]Funny that a Korean was sat at my table and even his girls were paying attention to me and my friend. I had the bottle and the set ups and my girls were receiving the lady drinks like they were flowing out of a water faucet.

[B]Mind your own money and pay attention to your own dick Allover[/B] Nope I am not like you and this guy who both don't have the flow to support your stack and therefore pay much more attention to those like me who do.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2972609]I didn't come to Pattaya to try to outspend Koreans to get a lady. Pattaya does have its attractions outside of bars and bargirls, but if it becomes too expensive, I am out of here.[/QUOTE][B]You are hating a mother fucker Allover[/B]! Counting down the days until you get your next work release pass. Given the nature of your reports (all in Rants and no trip reports) you just another internet sock who is trolling me.

[QUOTE=Allover;2972724]I haven't been to Tijuana in a while. I used to always pay $80 at Adelita's. I wonder if they ever reopened? [/QUOTE]Adelitas is permanently closed. I was in Hong Kong gentlemen's club in Tijuana in October and the girl said $120 plus $40 for the room. I can get a chick all night for 5 days in Pattaya with that kind of money. The street girls were still saying 200 pesos, which is $10. So that beats the $30 that the Beach Road chicks want. Thing is in Tijuana that a lot of guys like to pay with dollars so the girls will say $20 which is 400 pesos. The guys rip themselves off by not paying in pesos.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2972445]I beg to differ. That is always the foreigner's idea, not the girls'. You know how many chicks have told me about foreigners forcing iphones on them? 20 years of going to Thailand and I have never had a chick ask me to buy her shit except food.
[/QUOTE]Just like the sponsorship thingy, this proactive volunteering to buy expensive things to the simple country girls (the psychology of it) keeps bothering me as I just can't get it. Hope one day someone explains what happens in guy's head when those things happen.

As a prime example one of my regulars had a customer here staying for 60 days and she ended up staying with him most of that time (don't know the rate he paid). However, one day when she came by for a ST, noticed she has a new phone (as her old phone had cracked screen for quite a while). She told the man bought for her. I asked how much it cost. I was shocked to hear it was a new top of the line Samsung costing over 50 K! She said she did not ask for that, but the man just wanted to buy her that model. Couple of weeks later at an other visit, noticed she had new wheels on her car. She said the same man wanted to buy for her the alloy wheels and new tyres for her car.

Go Figure.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2972507]I pay 2000 LT for relatively short periods of time.

I pay 1000 a day for for multi-week periods.

In between, I pay on a sliding scale, maybe 10,000 a week.

I don't take the lady shopping, except in emergencies. One time, a lady's cell phone died in Argentina, and I bought her a cheap Samsung.[/QUOTE]Likewise, actually less than that until lately.

Re the OP, having a customer spec like that posted online for a short term deal is hard to see happening. On the ground no problem, just need time. However if you only have 3 days for the whole trip, it is as likely as online ordered custom made suit for an odd-shaped body fitting as well as Saville Row one with multiple fittings and adjustments.

[QUOTE=Knobrm;2972795]Just like the sponsorship thingy, this proactive volunteering to buy expensive things to the simple country girls (the psychology of it) keeps bothering me as I just can't get it. Hope one day someone explains what happens in guy's head when those things happen.

As a prime example one of my regulars had a customer here staying for 60 days and she ended up staying with him most of that time (don't know the rate he paid). However, one day when she came by for a ST, noticed she has a new phone (as her old phone had cracked screen for quite a while). She told the man bought for her. I asked how much it cost. I was shocked to hear it was a new top of the line Samsung costing over 50 K! She said she did not ask for that, but the man just wanted to buy her that model. Couple of weeks later at an other visit, noticed she had new wheels on her car. She said the same man wanted to buy for her the alloy wheels and new tyres for her car.

Go Figure.[/QUOTE]You kind of make it sound like you have never bought anything nice for somebody you liked, if it keeps bothering you like that.

Guy spent two months with a girl, so he must have liked her. Saw she had a broken old phone, treated her to a new one. Maybe 50 k for him is not as much as you think.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2972812]You kind of make it sound like you have never bought anything nice for somebody you liked, if it keeps bothering you like that.

Guy spent two months with a girl, so he must have liked her. Saw she had a broken old phone, treated her to a new one. Maybe 50 k for him is not as much as you think.[/QUOTE]To be clear, I am not bothered by the guys buying, rather not really understanding their thinking when buying expensive things for a simple country girl hooker that wouldn't spend a day with him if he stops paying the daily / weekly / monthly rent. But you might well be right saying I am the odd one. To each of their own.

I asked her if she would rather prefer 10 k phone and 40+k in cash, and she told of course she would. But she said she was too shy to ask for that as he wanted to buy the phone. Not a first time I heard a girl saying this, they just scared the alternative request burns down the whole thing as a result of lost feeling on the mongers end. Actually she is now contemplating selling the phone at discount and still get a new phone and good cash pile.

Anyway, as Mr E said, often times it is the guys buying something expensive (relatively to the girls financial position) for these simple girls that they did not ask for and do not understand about, and would rather not spend the money for such things, though sure sometimes the hookers milking the benevolent mongers to the last drop.

[QUOTE=Knobrm;2972795]Just like the sponsorship thingy, this proactive volunteering to buy expensive things to the simple country girls (the psychology of it) keeps bothering me as I just can't get it. Hope one day someone explains what happens in guy's head when those things happen.
Go Figure.[/QUOTE]It seems simple, the guy got emotionnally involved in his relationship with the prostitute.

He wants to make her at ease with him or reward her for the "privileged" relationship he is experiencing with her.

[QUOTE]rather not really understanding their thinking when buying expensive things for a simple country girl hooker that wouldn't spend a day with him if he stops paying the daily / weekly / monthly rent. But you might well be right saying I am the odd one. To each of their own.[/QUOTE]I don't understand the logic of others worrying about someone else's stack and how they spend it. Certain posters I have known for over 12 years have always had an excessive interest in what others spend and speaking about how he spends less. Personally I think people like that don't actually have any money. It is a poverty mentality that I personally disagree with.

[B]My time; My money; My dick; My call[/B]!

Want to be [B]International Tricks[/B] ought to worry about increasing their flow in their home countries so they can build their stack so they can engage in the [B]International Trickin[/B] activities of their choice once they are wheels down at their destinations.

I am in a trading group. We buy and sell things all the time. We discuss entry and exit points. Not once (except for instance of poverty minded thinking detailed below) has anyone ever made a comment on my buy and sell points. You see that is not the point of the discussion. The point of the discussion it to learn how to make those decisions for ourselves.

[U]Examples of Poverty Thinking[/U]

[QUOTE]Mr E said, often times it is the guys buying something expensive (relatively to the girls financial position) for these simple girls that they did not ask for and do not understand about, and would rather not spend the money for such things[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Just like the sponsorship thingy, this proactive volunteering to buy expensive things to the simple country girls (the psychology of it) keeps bothering me as I just can't get it. Hope one day someone explains what happens in guy's head when those things happen.[/QUOTE]How about a report where the individuals instead of worrying about others spend their stack actually file a report?

A report consists of the of the following information:

1. Where they hired their prostitute.

2. What social / sexual services their prostitute provided them?

3. How much they paid their prostitute?

[U]Another example of Poverty Thinking[/U]

[QUOTE]Some fools have to outspend Koreans to get a girl because they have no game and dress funny. Black dress shoes and shorts. Or cheap Biaggi shoes you can buy everywhere in town. And they are likely to stay in Pattaya because of legal issues they have in their country of origin.[/QUOTE]Here is an individual worried about how much someone has to pay in order to get the prostitute they desire. They are worrying about that while sitting in sex prison in their country of origin while others are in Thailand having fun actually fucking the prostitutes they are worried about how they're are paying for.

Just another example of small minded thinking. Although if you don't have the flow to build your stack I understand why people are always worried about how others spend theirs. It comes down to not having any of their own to spend. They read reports and hear things and think: [I]If I had money like that I wouldn't spend it like that[/I]! How do you know if you never developed a flow to build and stack that would allow to your spent 50,000 THB in a manner you consider frivolous?

I happen to enjoy spending my stack in a way that I enjoy. Makes me feel good. 10000 THB the night before NYE partying up in [U]Heaven Best[/U]. Second best sexual experience I have ever had in my entire 19 months of being in Pattaya. Guess what. The bar fine on NYE was 3000 THB for all the girls. That the costume for the night was sexy CoPlay and she still had to buy here outfit. I told her that I want to see a picture of her in it. On New Years Day we greeted each other. I asked where was my sexy picture. She told me that she never had to put on her outfit. NYE a customer bar fined her and she didn't even have to go into the club. Yes, the night the bar fine was 3000 plus her fee. He took her to dinner then fireworks. You see if I wanted to pay that I could have. But I didn't and therefore I am not wondering why someone else did.

[B]Can everyone see the difference between how I have a mentality of abundance and others have a mentality of poverty[/B]? What happened to: [B]It is better to give than to receive[/B]? Or do your change the rules when the girl is a prostitute?

[B]Is it ok with all of you to give a girl 100 THB for the moto taxi or 200 for a Bolt Car[/B]?

You are a a collective group a bunch of cheap ass (compound profanity deleted)!

Thai Friends girl just asked me for 2500 THB Short Time One shot.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2971039]Higher price does not mean Pretty.[/QUOTE]What do higher prices mean?

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2971039]1000 baht does mean UGLY. Come on bro. Think.[/QUOTE]Are you sure about that?

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2971220]I have an after hours girl from Soi 6 that suits me just fine. [b]1100[/b] THB for a short time (2 -3 hours) that involves multiple orgasms for us both. I sourced her from Thai Friendly. Lots of BBBJ. Boom Boom, BBBJCIM, she is 26. She puts her own music on her phone on when she comes over. I actually have her send me her favorite YouTube sound tracks to me. She likes 808. She like the music I like.[/QUOTE][B]Who among us is going to say that my Soi 6 girls is low quality or ugly[/B]?

[U]Another example of poverty thinking[/U]

[QUOTE]Exactly. Some mongers try to impress girls. Some mongers even try to impress other mongers while talking about having a lot of money, a big dick, and claim they be [B]ballin like a pro[/B]. These people usually don't have lots of money or a big dick despite their raving like lunatics. The point is the girls like it easy, fast, and want to be treated nicely. Which is why so many falang newcomers to Pattaya have trouble understanding the girls prefer Korean men.[/QUOTE]You simply cannot win with some posters. It really is not about money. It is about the fact that you are having fun and writing about it and they are not having any fun.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2972855]
You simply cannot win with some posters. It really is not about money. It is about the fact that you are having fun and writing about it and they are not having any fun.[/QUOTE]Agree. Poverty thinking takes away most of the fun. Instead of thinking about having fun, the poverty thinker is thinking about whether he got a good deal, or did someome get a better deal, what else can I do, what are her boundaries, etc. Having fun is first, all else falls away.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2972812]You kind of make it sound like you have never bought anything nice for somebody you liked, if it keeps bothering you like that.

Guy spent two months with a girl, so he must have liked her. Saw she had a broken old phone, treated her to a new one. Maybe 50 k for him is not as much as you think.[/QUOTE]We are talking about hookers here, not "some girl we liked. " I spent 2 months going to Starbucks for coffee every morning, yet nothing inside of me ever said I should buy the cashier a new laptop. But when paying a chick for sex, something goes off in some guys' heads saying he should shower her with unsolicited gifts in addition to paying the required fee for sex? Make that make sense.

[QUOTE=BeachDrone;2972892]Agree. Poverty thinking takes away most of the fun. Instead of thinking about having fun, the poverty thinker is thinking about whether he got a good deal, or did someome get a better deal, what else can I do, what are her boundaries, etc. Having fun is first, all else falls away.[/QUOTE]Having been on ISG for many years I have been able to understand the motive behind the cheap charlies. It is not poverty or poverty thinking. These guys subconsciously resent women probably from having been snubbed by women too often back home, and having sex with women for as little as possible palliates their ill will.

I am in Pattaya now and I could care less what others are paying. It does not affect me in any way. I pay what I want to pay and that is all that matters. If you are paying less for the exact same girl for the exact same performance for the exact amount of time, more power to you. It doesn't matter to me. As others have said, it's my money and my time and I'll do what I want with it and no one's going to tell me how to spend my money. You should focus on yourself and stop worrying about what other people are paying.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2972901]Having been on ISG for many years I have been able to understand the motive behind the cheap charlies. It is not poverty or poverty thinking. These guys subconsciously resent women probably from having been snubbed by women too often back home, and having sex with women for as little as possible palliates their ill will.[/QUOTE]I've occasionally been called "cheap Charlie" for refusal to buy her "sister" a drink or refusal to ring the bell. When I find a girl I like, I'll bar fine her and maybe pay more than necessary. I often tip mamasan if she has a good group of girls. I don't have any interest in getting the reputation of easy money. My being a cheap Charlie is unrelated to the things Turgid mentions.

But then again, I use Thai bars like I use hardware stores: start with a shopping list, browse the products, purchase what I want, and leave. I seldom hang around and chit chat at hardware stores or at Thai bars.

People with [B]real[/B] money have enough sense not to brag about it. Just look at the Korean men in the clubs. Many of them gladly pay higher prices but you won't see them bragging about it. They just pay it and enjoy themselves. And the girls prefer them to even those dumb enough to try to outspend them. People that brag about things like their money, how much they spend in a club, or their dick size have temporarily escaped poverty and are on their way back to it.

[U]Example of Poverty Thinking[/U]

[QUOTE]People with [B]real[/B] money have enough sense not to brag about it. Just look at the Korean men in the clubs. Many of them gladly pay higher prices but you won't see them bragging about it. They just pay it and enjoy themselves. And the girls prefer them to even those dumb enough to try to outspend them. People that brag about things like their money, how much they spend in a club, or their dick size have temporarily escaped poverty and are on their way back to it.[/QUOTE]The OP is displaying all the aspects of poverty thinking as detailed below:

[QUOTE=BeachDrone;2972892]Agree. Poverty thinking takes away most of the fun. Instead of thinking about having fun, [b]the poverty thinker is thinking about whether he got a good deal, or did someome get a better deal, what else can I do, what are her boundaries, etc[/b]. Having fun is first, all else falls away.[/QUOTE]The poster below makes the exact point that I make:

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2972930][b]I am in Pattaya now and I could care less what others are paying[/b]. It does not affect me in any way. I pay what I want to pay and that is all that matters. If you are paying less for the exact same girl for the exact same performance for the exact amount of time, more power to you. It doesn't matter to me. [b]As others have said, it's my money and my time and I'll do what I want with it and no one's going to tell me how to spend my money[/b]. You should focus on yourself and stop worrying about what other people are paying.[/QUOTE]The original OP can do their best to redefine what Poverty Thinking is. That is only because has a poverty mentality and cannot change his perspective and understand that he needs to stop worrying about others and pay more attention to having fun himself.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2972898]We are talking about hookers here, not "some girl we liked. " I spent 2 months going to Starbucks for coffee every morning, yet nothing inside of me ever said I should buy the cashier a new laptop. But when paying a chick for sex, something goes off in some guys' heads saying he should shower her with unsolicited gifts in addition to paying the required fee for sex? Make that make sense.[/QUOTE]Starbucks staff is not staying and sleeping with you for two months though, are they? They're someone you see and say hello to for a minute every morning.

Not too difficult to understand why the guy would feel somewhat less transactional towards a hooker who's been staying and going around with him for a month or two, as obviously they'll have to be doing something else than just fucking or drinking coffee all day for two months.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2973026]Starbucks staff is not staying and sleeping with you for two months though, are they? They're someone you see and say hello to for a minute every morning.

Not too difficult to understand why the guy would feel somewhat less transactional towards a hooker who's been staying and going around with him for a month or two, as obviously they'll have to be doing something else than just fucking or drinking coffee all day for two months.[/QUOTE]So "feeling less transactional" after having spent time with a hooker who would have left the day he'd have told her he don't want to pay her to stay longer is the explanation. Okay. There must be some longer psychological story for this. Wonder how that fits with the common economic theories.

How about for the sponsorship thingy, what are the grey cells doing in those guys heads when sending 10's or 100's of kbahts a month for the hookers that others keep fucking while they are out of the country? That is even more amazing behaviour to me. Not that I am complaining as I can enjoy the benefits locally.

[QUOTE=Knobrm;2973051]So "feeling less transactional" after having spent time with a hooker who would have left the day he'd have told her he don't want to pay her to stay longer is the explanation. Okay. There must be some longer psychological story for this. Wonder how that fits with the common economic theories.

How about for the sponsorship thingy, what are the grey cells doing in those guys heads when sending 10's or 100's of kbahts a month for the hookers that others keep fucking while they are out of the country? That is even more amazing behaviour to me. Not that I am complaining as I can enjoy the benefits locally.[/QUOTE][B]Why are you even using one grey cell to think about what another man is doing with his money or his dick[/B]?

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2972855]You simply cannot win with some posters. It really is not about money. It is about the fact that you are having fun and writing about it and they are not having any fun.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knobrm;2973051]So "feeling less transactional" after having spent time with a hooker who would have left the day he'd have told her he don't want to pay her to stay longer is the explanation. Okay. There must be some longer psychological story for this. Wonder how that fits with the common economic theories.

How about for the sponsorship thingy, what are the grey cells doing in those guys heads when sending 10's or 100's of kbahts a month for the hookers that others keep fucking while they are out of the country? That is even more amazing behaviour to me. Not that I am complaining as I can enjoy the benefits locally.[/QUOTE]Am I the only one who had a favorite frequent repeat hottie who did find an old USA dude sponsor who only comes to Thailand 1-2 weeks every few months, pays her monthly support and, I'll be damned if she doesn't honor his request not to have Real Sex with any of the customers she meets in the bar anymore? Not me nor any of her regulars from before she agreed to his offer.

She is still one of the most popular girls in the gogo bar. But ladydrinks only and I never see her leaving with amyone or on her way to and from a hotel except with that old dude whenever he is in town.

Maybe it works the way the sponsor wants it sometimes. Or maybe she just stopped fucking me and is still fucking everyone else on the sly.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2972898]We are talking about hookers here, not "some girl we liked. " I spent 2 months going to Starbucks for coffee every morning, yet nothing inside of me ever said I should buy the cashier a new laptop. But when paying a chick for sex, something goes off in some guys' heads saying he should shower her with unsolicited gifts in addition to paying the required fee for sex? Make that make sense.[/QUOTE]You are right but its in mens behavior to support women when sex is offered. I belive it comes from human prehistory.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2972365]It's 1 hour, why do you talk about 30 minute?[/QUOTE]What does it take to shower and fuck on soi 6? Is it really 60 min?

[QUOTE=Allover;2972967]People with [B]real[/B] money have enough sense not to brag about it. Just look at the Korean men in the clubs. Many of them gladly pay higher prices but you won't see them bragging about it. They just pay it and enjoy themselves. And the girls prefer them to even those dumb enough to try to outspend them. People that brag about things like their money, how much they spend in a club, or their dick size have temporarily escaped poverty and are on their way back to it.[/QUOTE]Koreans are not richer than other countries with similiar economies. They simply don't care about money and have a cheap flight. Also bear in minfd that Korea is on of the most indebted countries in the world. They have many cases each year of suicide becuase of debt. It would not surpirse me if soem of the koreans in Pattaya have loaned money to spend big in Pattaya to impress on thier friends. Ofc not all.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2973026]Starbucks staff is not staying and sleeping with you for two months though, are they? They're someone you see and say hello to for a minute every morning.[/QUOTE]No. Neither are they serving you your coffee because they really like you. They are doing it because they are getting paid for it. Same as the hooker. But for the cash, neither would be servicing you. But the one taking cash for giving you a blow job deserves more special treatment than the one taking cash for serving your coffee or doing any other service you are paying for?

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2973088]You are right but its in mens behavior to support women when sex is offered. I belive it comes from human prehistory.

What does it take to shower and fuck on soi 6? Is it really 60 min?

Koreans are not richer than other countries with similiar economies. They simply don't care about money and have a cheap flight. Also bear in minfd that Korea is on of the most indebted countries in the world. They have many cases each year of suicide becuase of debt. It would not surpirse me if soem of the koreans in Pattaya have loaned money to spend big in Pattaya to impress on thier friends. Ofc not all.[/QUOTE]Many Koreans are classic 2 week millionaires. They use all their savings during their time in Pattaya, and try to impress their friends by buying dozens of drinks for Soi 6 ladies. Because their friends know their wives, the Koreans are reluctant to go to the room with a lady, its "drinks only".

Having said that, there is at least one Korean bar on Third Road where Koreans go alone, and do barfine ladies. These are mostly guys who are in Pattaya longer than 2 weeks, and they often set up a lady as a Mia Noi for the time they are in Pattaya. But the behavior of those Koreans is different than the two week millionaires, they aren't showing off as much.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2972960]I've occasionally been called "cheap Charlie" for refusal to buy her "sister" a drink or refusal to ring the bell. When I find a girl I like, I'll bar fine her and maybe pay more than necessary. I often tip mamasan if she has a good group of girls........[/QUOTE]You are certainly not a cheap charlie.

[QUOTE=Knobrm;2973051]So "feeling less transactional" after having spent time with a hooker who would have left the day he'd have told her he don't want to pay her to stay longer is the explanation. Okay. There must be some longer psychological story for this. Wonder how that fits with the common economic theories.

How about for the sponsorship thingy, what are the grey cells doing in those guys heads when sending 10's or 100's of kbahts a month for the hookers that others keep fucking while they are out of the country? That is even more amazing behaviour to me. Not that I am complaining as I can enjoy the benefits locally.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I'm pretty sure if someone lived a couple of months with a hooker, most would start feeling somewhat less transactional about things. As it is, I've yet to pay anyone even for longtime, so it's rather unlikely to happen with me, but I can understand.

In all the sponsorship cases I've known, the guy believed, or at least pretended to believe, the girl was not banging others. One western guy had the girl move into another apartment (for which he paid the rent), so she could stay in the same building as some other girl he knew and who could "keep an eye" on his girl, while attending some make-up / cosmetics course he was paying for, and sending her 50,000 a month (this was up north, 10+ years ago, so it was a pretty good sum). I don't know wtf he was smoking as the other girl was working bar. His girl did indeed stop hooking afaik, though I met her at a regular disco one evening and from thereon out were banging her twice a week while her sponsor was away. Even had her repeat the std test after he left so I could keep banging her without a condom. In the end she ended the relationship with the sponsor because "she did not like him so much", even though it meant losing the 50 k a month + apartment rent. Before that she had been sponsored by some Japanese dude who had her stay at some high-end condo far away from the city centre, and which she also ended for similar reasons I think.

Another girl had her sponsor ring her while I had my dick in her mouth. He too believed she was not banging others, and I had to listen to a teary eyed story about how he was now working an extra job, shoveling snow at night, in order to be able to send her the monthly "salary". The girl was smiling and laughing at me while telling him that if he could not send her the salary it meant he did not really love her, and she would have to go with other men so she could send money to her parents (rather than get a normal job and send money to her parents). One of the few times I become too disgusted with a girl to want to fuck her, so quietly got dressed and left her room. Considered saying something aloud to the poor sucker on the phone, who was still proclaiming his love, before leaving, but I didn't want to keep having to watch my back for some crazy bar girl.

[QUOTE=Knobrm;2973051]How about for the sponsorship thingy, what are the grey cells doing in those guys heads when sending 10's or 100's of kbahts a month for the hookers that others keep fucking while they are out of the country? That is even more amazing behaviour to me. Not that I am complaining as I can enjoy the benefits locally.[/QUOTE]Very simple. These people believe they can buy the loyalty and monogamy of a bar girl or sex worker, or better yet, prevent her from working at the bar or freelancing altogether by paying her with their supplemental income.

As we all know, that's a disaster waiting to happen. The first argument you get in, she's going right back to sex work while the dumb sponsor still sends her money to not engage in sex work.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;2972898]We are talking about hookers here, not "some girl we liked. " But when paying a chick for sex, something goes off in some guys' heads saying he should shower her with unsolicited gifts in addition to paying the required fee for sex? Make that make sense.[/QUOTE]
If pornstars, strippers, and onlyfans “models” can find husbands and sponsor and boyfriends, why can’t sex workers? Content creators literally put a link in their bio to their amazon wishlist for random strangers to buy them stuff.

Why? Because beautiful women (in the eyes of those who think they need gifts), regardless of what they do or did for a living, tend to get shit. Thats just the way the world works. Men buy shit for women they believe look good.

We don’t have to fully understand it, but the fact that onlyfans “models” are making millions is all the evidence we need to know that its true.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2973118]Yeah, I'm pretty sure if someone lived a couple of months with a hooker, most would start feeling somewhat less transactional about things. As it is, I've yet to pay anyone even for longtime, so it's rather unlikely to happen with me, but I can understand.

In all the sponsorship cases I've known, the guy believed, or at least pretended to believe, the girl was not banging others. One western guy had the girl move into another apartment (for which he paid the rent), so she could stay in the same building as some other girl he knew and who could "keep an eye" on his girl, while attending some make-up / cosmetics course he was paying for, and sending her 50,000 a month (this was up north, 10+ years ago, so it was a pretty good sum). I don't know wtf he was smoking as the other girl was working bar. His girl did indeed stop hooking afaik, though I met her at a regular disco one evening and from thereon out were banging her twice a week while her sponsor was away. Even had her repeat the std test after he left so I could keep banging her without a condom. In the end she ended the relationship with the sponsor because "she did not like him so much", even though it meant losing the 50 k a month + apartment rent. Before that she had been sponsored by some Japanese dude who had her stay at some high-end condo far away from the city centre, and which she also ended for similar reasons I think.

Another girl had her sponsor ring her while I had my dick in her mouth. He too believed she was not banging others, and I had to listen to a teary eyed story about how he was now working an extra job, shoveling snow at night, in order to be able to send her the monthly "salary"..[/QUOTE]This is typical. In Thailand, ladies want to give money to their boyfriend, and take money from customers.

If you are confused about what your bargirl thinks about you, just follow the money.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2973063]Am I the only one who had a favorite frequent repeat hottie who did find an old USA dude sponsor who only comes to Thailand 1-2 weeks every few months, pays her monthly support and, I'll be damned if she doesn't honor his request not to have Real Sex with any of the customers she meets in the bar anymore? Not me nor any of her regulars from before she agreed to his offer.

She is still one of the most popular girls in the gogo bar. But ladydrinks only and I never see her leaving with amyone or on her way to and from a hotel except with that old dude whenever he is in town.

Maybe it works the way the sponsor wants it sometimes. Or maybe she just stopped fucking me and is still fucking everyone else on the sly.[/QUOTE]More likely than not, it's the last point. Odds are that she found a local sponsor / customer with whom she goes daily after work. I had a comparable situation two years ago when one of my twice-weekly FL regulars (who has a sponsor BF living overseas) stopped coming by, just chatting at times via Line telling she stopped going customers and too busy with work. Couldn't believe at all what she said. Funnily enough, sometime later I purely accidentally learnt she had found a new local customer. Living not far from my place. And she started to go with him pretty much daily as he wanted like that, thus no time for me. She liked him better for whatever reason, maybe because he wanted daily and I wanted rotation and such was better/easier for her. However after few months something happened and that deal with him was off, and voila she started to come by again (and still does). Zebra rarely gets rid of her stripes.

And of course stupid sponsor boyfriend in Europe continues to happily sponsor her, believing she is a good girl. She actually is, just not in a way that he believes.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2973053][B]Why are you even using one grey cell to think about what another man is doing with his money or his dick[/B]?[/QUOTE]I am not thinking what guys do with their dicks or cash, rather trying to understand the psychology underlying what they doing. Just pure curiosity as intrigued by the bahaviour, something comparable that was driving guys like Freud and Einstein to do what they did. Have to admit I have a bad habit trying to understand why things work the way they do. Sometimes is it is like trying to comprehend the incomprehensible and better to just stop and conclude that I understand that I can not understand.

But as you said, this probably has something to do with "Having Fun" - different people have fun doing different things and get their kicks drom different things, and that is perfectly fine as long as they are happy doing what they are doing. Maybe something comparable to me spending money to ride a Harley instead of Yamaha that some people see as complete waste of money. Throwing excessive gifts or sponsoring simple hookers from overseas must be fun for some, giving them great enjoyment. Just not for me.

I have fun fucking them though.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2973118]Yeah, I'm pretty sure if someone lived a couple of months with a hooker, most would start feeling somewhat less transactional about things. As it is, I've yet to pay anyone even for longtime, so it's rather unlikely to happen with me, but I can understand.

In all the sponsorship cases I've known, the guy believed, or at least pretended to believe, the girl was not banging others. One western guy had the girl move into another apartment (for which he paid the rent), so she could stay in the same building as some other girl he knew and who could "keep an eye" on his girl, while attending some make-up / cosmetics course he was paying for, and sending her 50,000 a month (this was up north, 10+ years ago, so it was a pretty good sum). I don't know wtf he was smoking as the other girl was working bar. His girl did indeed stop hooking afaik, though I met her at a regular disco one evening and from thereon out were banging her twice a week while her sponsor was away. Even had her repeat the std test after he left so I could keep banging her without a condom. In the end she ended the relationship with the sponsor because "she did not like him so much", even though it meant losing the 50 k a month + apartment rent. Before that she had been sponsored by some Japanese dude who had her stay at some high-end condo far away from the city centre, and which she also ended for similar reasons I think.

Another girl had her sponsor ring her while I had my dick in her mouth. He too believed she was not banging others, and I had to listen to a teary eyed story about how he was now working an extra job, shoveling snow at night, in order to be able to send her the monthly "salary". The girl was smiling and laughing at me while telling him that if he could not send her the salary it meant he did not really love her, and she would have to go with other men so she could send money to her parents (rather than get a normal job and send money to her parents). One of the few times I become too disgusted with a girl to want to fuck her, so quietly got dressed and left her room. Considered saying something aloud to the poor sucker on the phone, who was still proclaiming his love, before leaving, but I didn't want to keep having to watch my back for some crazy bar girl.[/QUOTE]I've had countless of LTs and many LLTs for several weeks. Obviously would not do LT, esp repeat LT, nor LLT unless click with the girl at some level at least sexually, however when the fee becomes due, it is a good reminder that it is transactional and shakes off the possible feelings of the deal being 'less transactional'.

After a while being sponsored but banned from freedom, some of the girls simply get bored to that life after the fun life in Pattaya (or other main places), especially so if the sponsor forces them to move back to the village. One of my LLT's few years ago told she had a Belgian sponsor that paid her well but she had to move to her village in Isaan, out from Pattaya. With the money he was sending, she built a very nice and modern small house for herself, spending closer to million THB on that. However once the house project was finished, she simply got bored staying there as nothing much to do, stopped the relationship and came back to work Pattaya.

The incidents when sponsor call the girl while she is with your are funny indeed. I will move out the room for the call period as I have difficulties to hold my laugh listening!

[QUOTE=Knobrm;2973266]I am not thinking what guys do with their dicks or cash, rather trying to understand the psychology underlying what they doing. Just pure curiosity as intrigued by the bahaviour, something comparable that was driving guys like Freud and Einstein to do what they did. Have to admit I have a bad habit trying to understand why things work the way they do. [b]Sometimes is it is like trying to comprehend the incomprehensible and better to just stop and conclude that I understand that I can not understand[/b]. [/QUOTE]Look bro I understand. I don't understand why guys pay to eat the pussy. But I am not going to call them stupid because that is how they choose to spend their money.

[QUOTE=Knobrm;2973266]But as you said, this probably has something to do with "Having Fun" - different people have fun doing different things and get their kicks drom different things, and that is perfectly fine as long as they are happy doing what they are doing. Maybe something comparable to me spending money to ride a Harley instead of Yamaha that some people see as complete waste of money. Throwing excessive gifts or sponsoring simple hookers from overseas must be fun for some, giving them great enjoyment. Just not for me.[/QUOTE]Exactly! You make my point. Ultimate goal is to have fun and enjoy your life. If someone wants to pay to eat the pussy (knowing that someone may have blown splooge up in it minutes before) who am I to criticize them for it. There is nothing wrong with pointing out the facts out (hey what is that white stuff dripping out the girl you are about to go down on) to another person (about eating pussy or sponsorship). But to call them stupid (as I have seen done many time up in here) for engaging in an activity they find enjoyable to me is completely out of line. That goes for where they choose to procure their prostitutes, how much they choose to pay their prostitutes or how they choose to spend their money on regular things life when they are not [B]International Trickin[/B]. Usually the people who do that are not getting any pussy and want it so bad they cannot understand how anyone could spend money in a way that does not directly get their dick off.

[B]International Tricks[/B] need to remember there are other men to think we are lame because we [I]have[/I] to buy pussy. It is just many forget about that because they been [B]International Trickin[/B] for so long it has become an embedded lifestyle and they think it is normal and accepted in greater society when it is not.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2973118]......Another girl had her sponsor ring her while I had my dick in her mouth. He too believed she was not banging others, and I had to listen to a teary eyed story about how he was now working an extra job, shoveling snow at night, in order to be able to send her the monthly "salary". The girl was smiling and laughing at me while telling him that if he could not send her the salary it meant he did not really love her, and she would have to go with other men so she could send money to her parents (rather than get a normal job and send money to her parents). One of the few times I become too disgusted with a girl to want to fuck her, so quietly got dressed and left her room. Considered saying something aloud to the poor sucker on the phone, who was still proclaiming his love, before leaving, but I didn't want to keep having to watch my back for some crazy bar girl.[/QUOTE]Didn't her parents teach her not to talk with her mouth full? LOL!

Did you pay her? I don't know how you guys do it; I hire a pro only when I'm horny and in that condition I can't just up and leave LOL.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2973373]Didn't her parents teach her not to talk with her mouth full? LOL!

Did you pay her? I don't know how you guys do it; I hire a pro only when I'm horny and in that condition I can't just up and leave LOL.[/QUOTE]LOL I remember being in Spain and eating a hot Albanian girl out while she talked to "Francisco" on the phone. Poor Francisco who thought she was waiting for him! No, there she was laying on her back talking on the phone to Francisco with her legs spread wide open while I munched on that "crack snack". Then proceeded to fuck her into stupidity once she hung up with her unsuspecting "lover" Francisco. Never trust these hoors with your hearts men. Don't do it! Because another guy could be eating her out (or worse) just as she professes her love to you! LMAO! I don't get disgusted. I just work hard not to get played like Francisco! Find them, feel them, finger them, fuck them, forget them!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2973373]Didn't her parents teach her not to talk with her mouth full? LOL!

Did you pay her? I don't know how you guys do it; I hire a pro only when I'm horny and in that condition I can't just up and leave LOL.[/QUOTE]No, back then I had some principle against paying for sex and never paid anyone.

Doesn't happen often that I'm already in bed with a girl and abort due to personality issues, and I don't normally have much interest in their BF, sponsors or whatever, so I just started pulling off her shorts instead when she started talking on the phone. Thinking I'll start fucking her gently instead while she talks, which is always somewhat humorous.
After listening for a bit I however remember having a strong feeling of disgust about this lazy bargirl smiling and laughing "with me", while her BF / sponsor was literally crying on his side of the phone about trying to scrape together enough money for her "salary", and save up the money for visiting her so they could be "together again".

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2973465]No, back then I had some principle against paying for sex and never paid anyone.

Doesn't happen often that I'm already in bed with a girl and abort due to personality issues, and I don't normally have much interest in their BF, sponsors or whatever, so I just started pulling off her shorts instead when she started talking on the phone. Thinking I'll start fucking her gently instead while she talks, which is always somewhat humorous.
After listening for a bit I however remember having a strong feeling of disgust about this lazy bargirl smiling and laughing "with me", while her BF / sponsor was literally crying on his side of the phone about trying to scrape together enough money for her "salary", and save up the money for visiting her so they could be "together again".[/QUOTE]I posted the following link in another forum. It applies here as well:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXRN_LkCa_o[/URL]

Anyone here ever barfine a Tomboy?

I don't mean a lady who will play with another lady, or do a show, I mean a real Tomboy.

I have gone with ladies who have female girlfriends, but they weren't Tomboys.

And, in real life, I did have a girlfriend from Venezuela who became a Tom later in life. But I have never barfined a Tomboy in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2973836]Anyone here ever barfine a Tomboy?[/QUOTE]Does it have to be barfine? For instance are you asking if someone has fucked a tomboy or paid a tomboy for sex or does it have to be specifically paid for one to leave a bar with them? You tend to only talk in bar terms as if that is the only way to skin a cat or rather get some cat.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2973965]Does it have to be barfine? For instance are you asking if someone has fucked a tomboy or paid a tomboy for sex or does it have to be specifically paid for one to leave a bar with them? You tend to only talk in bar terms as if that is the only way to skin a cat or rather get some cat.[/QUOTE]Anyone here ever go with a Tomboy?

My first week in Pattaya was incredible, so good in fact I'm scared it may go on to ruin my life! : !

I ventured to Walking Street on my first night, being a must visit and all. Started off at a ping pong show, because why not, fucking horrid! Way worse than I remember Khao San road 10 years ago, miserable old women blowing out candles with their minge, asked me for a 500 bh top to be a prop, I left 100 and walked out. Went into a ladyboy club to satiate my curiosity, got swarmed! Some of them are scarily good looking, the place was dead though so I quickly left and tried a Russian bar, a gorgeous blonde asked me to buy her a drink, balked at the 700 bh fee, she then said we could skip drinks and go into a ST room for 3000 bh, her sexy smile would have convinced me but I could smell a shit service a mile away so made my way to to soi 6.

Within a few meters I spotted my #1 girl so far, she had the most insane ass! Unfortunately she was chatting away to someone else so carried on down, stopped at 3 different gaffs for a girly drink with someone who caught my eye, 1st didn't look that pretty in the light and the 2nd & 3rd seemed keen but both had a bit too much of a 'goofy' personality for me (which I soon learned is not that uncommon), walking back up I spotted the girl with the insane ass again! She was hugging the same guy from earlier but this time she locked eyes and blew me a kiss, damn wish I was this guy with her! I walked back up to see if anyone caught my eye, and third time the charm on my way back down the soi I saw her again! This time she dragged me in to a seat (I didn't need much convincing). She waited for her fella to pay his bar tab and leave before coming back to me, we got chatting and just clicked instantly, and she was really sexy! Wanting to show off a bit, when I bought her a shot I offered one to the waiter and the 3 girls sitting out front too, and as if I turned a switch she was all over me, lapdances, full on DFK the works! Approaching 2 am so they shut down the bar and she invited me to join her and her girls to a club on walking street, we spent about an hour there dancing, making out and drinking before leaving to find a short time hotel, what followed was 2 hours of ecstasy! Most genuine GFE I've ever experienced, I tipped 1 k for the pleasure and we exchanged WhatsApps.

My second night in Pattaya was a bit of a dud, I went out at around 3 am so only ventured to walking street, went into one of the gogos and got chatting to one of the non dancers, they tried to pressure me into buying drinks for other girls, but having learned my lesson from the 1st night I refused, the girl was pretty and seemed very keen, almost giddy but the massaman came and quoted 3000 bar fine + 4000ST must be having a laugh I noped out of there and had a walk down beach street but saw nothing so called it a day.

My third night around 11 pm I messaged the girl from my first night to see if she was free but she was 'off that day', headed down to soi 6 again to see what I liked, had a few drinks with some different girls, one caught my eye who had a huge pair for her slim frame, she was quite weird as she spent the entire time (nearly an hour) just gyrating on me like a rabbit, or pretending to be a cat, or showing me photos of her cat. I liked the look of her boobs though so took her upstairs for 1500ST, wasn't feeling it though so pretended to pop and bounced. A bit more wondering and a cutey with really nice dimples caught my eye, everything that followed was a near repeat of the night before! She was making out with me non stop, giggling on eye contact, taking selfies with me. She suggested LT for 3 k which I agreed, she also suggested we go to the nightclub before going back to my room (sensing a pattern here), funnily enough I spotted the girl from my first night at the club and messaged her jokingly that I can see her and that I'm better than her man, she asked me to meet her by the bathroom, dragged me into a cubicle and started furiously making out with me (these women!) she asked me to message her tomorrow night. Took my new girl home and she was incredible, amazing BBBJ, great fuck after a shower together and repeated in the morning. Eventually I had to ask her to leave at around 11 as I had to meet up with family, she seemed a bit upset about it:'the tipped her 1 k for the pleasure + 200 for taxi. Both nights were very similar, maybe the nightclub thing is a known routine? But it's perfect for me as I can get a bit tipsier, dance and makeout with a hot girl for a few hours before going back for some amazing sex, which have both been the most genuine GFE I've had in over 2 years +100 punts by far!! I think I'm starting to get why people can get hooked on this place!!

My final night in Pattaya, even though I had an amazing night just before with girl #2, for some reason I just could not get girl #1 out of my head, I was thinking about her all day, and just my luck she messaged me that afternoon to see if I was free, she said it was her day off so met me at my condo at night, and what followed was a night of just pure GFE bliss, bath together, making out like teenagers, suck, fuck, repeat! She kept doing something a little unusual for me also where she would often like, sniff my cheek? Is this a Thai thing? Anyway she added my on instagram afterwards and now. I feel like a massive twat as it's been nearly a week and I can't stop thinking about this girl! In over 2 years of punting with even a few sexcations thrown in I've never caught feels, and here I am swooning over one of the first Thai working girls who throws me attention: this is how I know Pattaya will now ruin my life as I'm already planning my next trip this summer and have a strong feeling my desire to return will consume the rest of my life!

In summary however, an incredible week. Would have to spend thousands in the UK for even remotely the experience, I'm officially hooked!

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2972264]They might be expecting 1500 but there are some that accept 1000-1200 as well. They try the higher prices but will likely accept lower prices. Its not like there are drowes of guys paying every women 2 k for 30 minutes.[/QUOTE]I too give every girl 1000 bahts and most of the time they are fine with it. If she asks for more and was had okay service or very good looking I will give 1500 bahts but never more.

In 2024 the price was 1000-1500 bahts. If you start giving 2000 bahts they will go out of business as most men cannot pay that so often.

Do not give a girl 2000 bahts unless she is a 9/10 you are wasting money and driving prices high for all others.

Great report, thanks!

[QUOTE=Jangobangz;2974225]Within a few meters I spotted my #1 girl so far, she had the most insane ass! Unfortunately she was chatting away to someone else so carried on down, stopped at 3 different gaffs for a girly drink with someone who caught my eye, 1st didn't look that pretty in the light and the 2nd & 3rd seemed keen but both had a bit too much of a 'goofy' personality for me (which I soon learned is not that uncommon), walking back up I spotted the girl with the insane ass again! She was hugging the same guy from earlier but this time she locked eyes and blew me a kiss, damn wish I was this guy with her! I walked back up to see if anyone caught my eye, and third time the charm on my way back down the soi I saw her again! This time she dragged me in to a seat (I didn't need much convincing). She waited for her fella to pay his bar tab and leave before coming back to me, we got chatting and just clicked instantly, and she was really sexy! Wanting to show off a bit, when I bought her a shot I offered one to the waiter and the 3 girls sitting out front too, and as if I turned a switch she was all over me, lapdances, full on DFK the works![/QUOTE]Which bar was that? Normally soi 6 bars do not have waiters or waitress, the girl servicing you is supposed to do the job.

And the girl dragging you in while her customer is still with her, that's wild.

[QUOTE=Jangobangz;2974225]She suggested LT for 3 k which I agreed, she also suggested we go to the nightclub before going back to my room (sensing a pattern here), funnily enough I spotted the girl from my first night at the club and messaged her jokingly that I can see her and that I'm better than her man, she asked me to meet her by the bathroom, dragged me into a cubicle and started furiously making out with me (these women!) she asked me to message her tomorrow night. [/QUOTE]Did you write down the name of that nightclub where a man can go in the women toilet or vice versa?

[QUOTE=Jangobangz;2974225]She kept doing something a little unusual for me also where she would often like, sniff my cheek? Is this a Thai thing?[/QUOTE]That is how Thai people kiss. She must really like you to do that.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2974256]

Which bar was that? Normally soi 6 bars do not have waiters or waitress, the girl servicing you is supposed to do the job.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I forgot (didn't bother to memorise) the name of everywhere I visited during my week there! I'm pretty sure this bar had someone behind the bar wearing all black, but as I recall most places I went you're right the girl I'm with is bringing over the drinks.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2974256]
And the girl dragging you in while her customer is still with her, that's wild.[/QUOTE]I had one worse than that the 2nd night, when I was with the jackrabbit girl she was bragging to her friend that she was with the better looking man, and her friend was pulling pretend crying faces behind her mans back, and when he went to the toilet put her boobs on my face and asked me to come back to see her the next day, that made me feel a bit uneasy (she was minging anyway).

Don't remember the name of the club either, playing mostly hip-hop music, to be fair the toilet staff were VERY friendly with me and actively encouraging it, I had a tendency to way way way overtip their toilet massages!!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2974271]That is how Thai people kiss. She must really like you to do that.[/QUOTE]Ahhh I hate that you said that, I was looking for reasons not to think about this girl again!

[QUOTE=Sofiy;2974250]I too give every girl 1000 bahts and most of the time they are fine with it. If she asks for more and was had okay service or very good looking I will give 1500 bahts but never more.

In 2024 the price was 1000-1500 bahts. If you start giving 2000 bahts they will go out of business as most men cannot pay that so often.

Do not give a girl 2000 bahts unless she is a 9/10 you are wasting money and driving prices high for all others.[/QUOTE]When was the last time you visited?

Great Report! Thanks for sharing hope to be visiting soon can you share the name of the bars / gogo joints you thought were good. Thanks!

[QUOTE=Jangobangz;2974225]My first week in Pattaya was incredible, so good in fact I'm scared it may go on to ruin my life! : !

I ventured to Walking Street on my first night, being a must visit and all. Started off at a ping pong show, because why not, fucking horrid! Way worse than I remember Khao San road 10 years ago, miserable old women blowing out candles with their minge, asked me for a 500 bh top to be a prop, I left 100 and walked out. Went into a ladyboy club to satiate my curiosity, got swarmed! Some of them are scarily good looking, the place was dead though so I quickly left and tried a Russian bar, a gorgeous blonde asked me to buy her a drink, balked at the 700 bh fee, she then said we could skip drinks and go into a ST room for 3000 bh, her sexy smile would have convinced me but I could smell a shit service a mile away so made my way to to soi 6.

Within a few meters I spotted my #1 girl so far, she had the most insane ass! Unfortunately she was chatting away to someone else so carried on down, stopped at 3 different gaffs for a girly drink with someone who caught my eye, 1st didn't look that pretty in the light and the 2nd & 3rd seemed keen but both had a bit too much of a 'goofy' personality for me (which I soon learned is not that uncommon), walking back up I spotted the girl with the insane ass again! She was hugging the same guy from earlier but this time she locked eyes and blew me a kiss, damn wish I was this guy with her! I walked back up to see if anyone caught my eye, and third time the charm on my way back down the soi I saw her again! This time she dragged me in to a seat (I didn't need much convincing). She waited for her fella to pay his bar tab and leave before coming back to me, we got chatting and just clicked instantly, and she was really sexy! Wanting to show off a bit, when I bought her a shot I offered one to the waiter and the 3 girls sitting out front too, and as if I turned a switch she was all over me, lapdances, full on DFK the works! Approaching 2 am so they shut down the bar and she invited me to join her and her girls to a club on walking street, we spent about an hour there dancing, making out and drinking before leaving to find a short time hotel, what followed was 2 hours of ecstasy![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SatoSan;2974605]Great Report! Thanks for sharing hope to be visiting soon can you share the name of the bars / gogo joints you thought were good. Thanks![/QUOTE]I don't remember names of the places I liked the most sorry, I think more important was going up and down the soi, seeing who caught my eye and making sure we had good rapport / chemistry before moving forward. Hasn't been uncommon for me to speak and have a drink with 2/3/4 different girls before finding one I particularly clicked with.

I talk a lot and I say nobody can say how beautiful my girls are, because I never share my precious pics with them.

So nobody can argue I'm fucking shit for my precious 1000.

Then I say Club Excite is one of my favorite places.

Club Excite at it's best:

I read some posts on the forum a week or so ago about TB in Thailand, I'm chipping in today with my experience but can't find the original posts so can't link to any of them.

Anyway, I was living in Pattaya in the late 80's/early 90's, and caught TB. I had been living in Thailand for a few years, the first year in Bkk before moving down to Pattaya. I went to bed one night without a care in the world but woke up in the early hours with breathing difficulties. It was a strange sensation. I could breathe in but only up to about half my lung capacity. As hard as I tried, I could not get more than half-way. I didn't have a cough or fever, and had no pain, but thought it would be a good idea to get to a hospital.

My then-partner drove us to the hospital, and when she explained the problem to the nurses I was put in a wheelchair and given oxygen by way of a mask which was connected to a small oxygen tank at the back of the wheelchair. Within seconds I was able to take a deep, deep breath, and fill my lungs to capacity. I almost had an orgasm!! On the 15 or so minute journey to the hospital, I really thought that my time was up and wondered if I might even make it to the hospital.

After some tests they diagnosed TB and I was given an injection(s) (I can't remember how many) and put on a course of antibiotics and I ended up spending 3 or 4 nights in the hospital. My partner was also tested for TB but the results were negative. When I was released I was given more medication to take, daily, from memory it was for about 6 months.

A few years later I went back to my home country in the UK and went for a check-up, explaining that I had caught TB in Thailand. They did some tests and confirmed the diagnosis, and said the X-Rays showed some scarring on my lungs.

They said all was OK though advised to come back in 6 months for some more tests which I did, before finally given the all-clear, and I have not had any problems with it since.

I remember being told by the doctor that TB is quite prevalent in Thailand, though very rare in the UK. The scarring on my lungs is still evident, I have had a few chest X-Rays over the years since then, the last one was about 9 months ago, and they always mention the scarring on my lungs and ask me if I have had TB!

[QUOTE=AssAddict;2974784]I talk a lot and I say nobody can say how beautiful my girls are, because I never share my precious pics with them.

So nobody can argue I'm fucking shit for my precious 1000.

Then I say Club Excite is one of my favorite places.

Club Excite at it's best:[/QUOTE]I assume you are being sarcastic. If that's "best," I'd hate to see worst.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2975035]I assume you are being sarcastic. If that's "best," I'd hate to see worst.[/QUOTE]LOL! Although you have to hand it to him, he actually showed us a picture, which is more than you can say of so many mongers here who go on and on about getting beautiful girls for cheap. Pictures put words into perspective.

[QUOTE=AssAddict;2974784]I talk a lot and I say nobody can say how beautiful my girls are, because I never share my precious pics with them.

So nobody can argue I'm fucking shit for my precious 1000.

Then I say Club Excite is one of my favorite places.

Club Excite at it's best:[/QUOTE]Those are grandmas. Surely you're being sarcastic.

[QUOTE=Mdemde;2975027]I read some posts on the forum a week or so ago about TB in Thailand, I'm chipping in today with my experience but can't find the original posts so can't link to any of them..

I remember being told by the doctor that TB is quite prevalent in Thailand, though very rare in the UK. The scarring on my lungs is still evident, I have had a few chest X-Rays over the years since then, the last one was about 9 months ago, and they always mention the scarring on my lungs and ask me if I have had
TB![/QUOTE]I had valley fever in college when I was 20, a virus that lives in the soil in arid climates much like mononucleosis. It left me with a scar on my lower right lobe of my lung and I was told to always tell the x-ray techs about it or they'd assume I have or had TB!

Now that I live in Pattaya and no longer the thirsty dude on holiday I'm just looking for a quick release. Before I'd go to gogos and barfine what I thought was the hottest chick but now I go to GC and just look for a mouth I want to fuck. Don't get me wrong I don't want fat or sick looking chick but the super hot chick isn't a requirement any longer.

I still go to the top places Queens XS etc but I'm not paying the rates that these places ask.

Nice report.

I think if you do this long enough it's bound to happen. Especially with these ladies who are, although not educated / trained psychologists, experts in tugging at heart strings. Not that some aren't also just really nice ladies. Console yourself that this is her job, and she did it really well, and that some of the spell will wear off over time.

No shame is feeling a bit smitten. Just don't act on it.

[QUOTE=Jangobangz;2974225]My first week in Pattaya was incredible, so good in fact I'm scared it may go on to ruin my life! : !

I ventured to Walking Street on my first night, being a must visit and all. Started off at a ping pong show, because why not, fucking horrid! Way worse than I remember Khao San road 10 years ago, miserable old women blowing out candles with their minge, asked me for a 500 bh top to be a prop, I left 100 and walked out. Went into a ladyboy club to satiate my curiosity, got swarmed! Some of them are scarily good looking, the place was dead though so I quickly left and tried a Russian bar, a gorgeous blonde asked me to buy her a drink, balked at the 700 bh fee, she then said we could skip drinks and go into a ST room for 3000 bh, her sexy smile would have convinced me but I could smell a shit service a mile away so made my way to to soi 6.

Within a few meters I spotted my #1 girl so far, she had the most insane ass! Unfortunately she was chatting away to someone else so carried on down, stopped at 3 different gaffs for a girly drink with someone who caught my eye, 1st didn't look that pretty in the light and the 2nd & 3rd seemed keen but both had a bit too much of a 'goofy' personality for me (which I soon learned is not that uncommon), walking back up I spotted the girl with the insane ass again! She was hugging the same guy from earlier but this time she locked eyes and blew me a kiss, damn wish I was this guy with her! I walked back up to see if anyone caught my eye, and third time the charm on my way back down the soi I saw her again! This time she dragged me in to a seat (I didn't need much convincing). She waited for her fella to pay his bar tab and leave before coming back to me, we got chatting and just clicked instantly, and she was really sexy! Wanting to show off a bit, when I bought her a shot I offered one to the waiter and the 3 girls sitting out front too, and as if I turned a switch she was all over me, lapdances, full on DFK the works! Approaching 2 am so they shut down the bar and she invited me to join her and her girls to a club on walking street, we spent about an hour there dancing, making out and drinking before leaving to find a short time hotel, what followed was 2 hours of ecstasy! Most genuine GFE I've ever experienced, I tipped 1 k for the pleasure and we exchanged WhatsApps.

My second night in Pattaya was a bit of a dud, I went out at around 3 am so only ventured to walking street, went into one of the gogos and got chatting to one of the non dancers, they tried to pressure me into buying drinks for other girls, but having learned my lesson from the 1st night I refused, the girl was pretty and seemed very keen, almost giddy but the massaman came and quoted 3000 bar fine + 4000ST must be having a laugh I noped out of there and had a walk down beach street but saw nothing so called it a day.

My third night around 11 pm I messaged the girl from my first night to see if she was free but she was 'off that day', headed down to soi 6 again to see what I liked, had a few drinks with some different girls, one caught my eye who had a huge pair for her slim frame, she was quite weird as she spent the entire time (nearly an hour) just gyrating on me like a rabbit, or pretending to be a cat, or showing me photos of her cat. I liked the look of her boobs though so took her upstairs for 1500ST, wasn't feeling it though so pretended to pop and bounced. A bit more wondering and a cutey with really nice dimples caught my eye, everything that followed was a near repeat of the night before! She was making out with me non stop, giggling on eye contact, taking selfies with me. She suggested LT for 3 k which I agreed, she also suggested we go to the nightclub before going back to my room (sensing a pattern here), funnily enough I spotted the girl from my first night at the club and messaged her jokingly that I can see her and that I'm better than her man, she asked me to meet her by the bathroom, dragged me into a cubicle and started furiously making out with me (these women!) she asked me to message her tomorrow night. Took my new girl home and she was incredible, amazing BBBJ, great fuck after a shower together and repeated in the morning. Eventually I had to ask her to leave at around 11 as I had to meet up with family, she seemed a bit upset about it:'the tipped her 1 k for the pleasure + 200 for taxi. Both nights were very similar, maybe the nightclub thing is a known routine? But it's perfect for me as I can get a bit tipsier, dance and makeout with a hot girl for a few hours before going back for some amazing sex, which have both been the most genuine GFE I've had in over 2 years +100 punts by far!! I think I'm starting to get why people can get hooked on this place!!

My final night in Pattaya, even though I had an amazing night just before with girl #2, for some reason I just could not get girl #1 out of my head, I was thinking about her all day, and just my luck she messaged me that afternoon to see if I was free, she said it was her day off so met me at my condo at night, and what followed was a night of just pure GFE bliss, bath together, making out like teenagers, suck, fuck, repeat! She kept doing something a little unusual for me also where she would often like, sniff my cheek? Is this a Thai thing? Anyway she added my on instagram afterwards and now. I feel like a massive twat as it's been nearly a week and I can't stop thinking about this girl! In over 2 years of punting with even a few sexcations thrown in I've never caught feels, and here I am swooning over one of the first Thai working girls who throws me attention: this is how I know Pattaya will now ruin my life as I'm already planning my next trip this summer and have a strong feeling my desire to return will consume the rest of my life!

In summary however, an incredible week. Would have to spend thousands in the UK for even remotely the experience, I'm officially hooked![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AssAddict;2974784]I talk a lot and I say nobody can say how beautiful my girls are, because I never share my precious pics with them.

So nobody can argue I'm fucking shit for my precious 1000.

Then I say Club Excite is one of my favorite places.

Club Excite at it's best:[/QUOTE]When you post photos you will be set upon by guys who never post photos of their own.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2975035]I assume you are being sarcastic. If that's "best," I'd hate to see worst.[/QUOTE]Don't underestimate that it is pretty much dark inside the club. LOL.

I was finally obligated to make a trip down to Pattaya, after not being there since before covid.

A bit of history with me and the place. In the early 00's I used to go on average once a month for 3 nights. It was especially amazing during low season. You could shoot a cannon down most toys and not hit anybody, but there will always plenty of girls, and may I add plenty of good looking ones. Soi 6 was an outstanding place for early afternoon and evening entertainment. None of the bars were open air to the street and there was no blaring music. It was simply small bars, or rather full on knocking shops, full of gals who were more than willing to take you to the room for 500 to 1 k Baht with a 200 to 300 Baht BF that included the room. Drinks or of course available but you are in no way obligated to buy lady drinks, in fact you could just choose whatever caught your eye and head straight upstairs.

This city itself was so empty during low season that the two-story Starbucks, the third shop opened in the country, would often have only our small group of friends upstairs drinking coffee all afternoon.

The bars themselves were also fun, both beer bars and Go-Go's. All of the above had plenty of good looking thin early 20's gals who hadn't yet had babies. ST and LT at beer bars was 500 and 1 k respectively and at Go-Go's 1 K and 5 K respectively. In the Go-Go's girls were fun, playfully aggressive, and a lot of fun.

And then there was Marine disco that kicked off in earnest after the bars would close. No problem with 1 K long time.

If you were strolling down Walking Street at any time after say 10:00 you would have a constant barrage of girls asking to go with you. This increased after midnight when Soi 6 closed and those girls headed for the disco.

Patters was absolutely amazing during these times and I have some of my best memories of our hobby from that time.

From around 07 till the mid 10's I think I only visited once or twice, not enough to make any judgments and then between 16 and covid I would go occasionally when friends were in town. During that time I found a very changed town and scene. Soi 6 became a loud zoo of open air bars. While it was still some quite good looking girls, I found the atmosphere to be far less appealing, and of course the prices had increased and one was expected to buy drinks and sit about with the girl as opposed to getting right down to business.

Go-Go's had changed significantly both price wise, demographic of customer-wise, and atmosphere-wise. Go-Go's that catered to Asian customers had very good looking girls that weren't particularly interested in westerners and were far less interactive than the days of old. Prices also increased dramatically, even on Soi 6 where gals seem to also to prefer Asian customers. During this time I found the G clubs, namely Kinnaree, to be very enjoyable. Always some lookers, very well priced, and fun. I often wished we had places like that in Bangkok. I also found some talented times amongst the small massage joints on Soi Honey. One really good thing about this particular era is it seems many of the gals discovered going to the gym. So there were plenty of fit women about.

Unfortunately I never made it down to Pattaya during Covid, which it seems as it was in Bangkok an absolutely marvelous time for our hobby.

Fast forward to this past weekend and I agreed to meet a group of friends that I haven't seen in over a decade down at the beach. Some were in town for the first time in ages and they decided that is where they wanted to meet up. After seeing recent videos from Pattaya my expectations were low, and my expectations did not let me down.

Arriving early on a Saturday afternoon I had a very nice three course lunch special that even included a glass of wine. Aside from seeing my friends, this was the highlight of the trip. I was also astounded at the insane number of people in Pattaya.

After checking into my hotel I decided to have a bit of a walkabout and check out the central Pattaya G clubs. Strolling down Soi Honey, I was immediately struck by the size and age of the majority of the women working. Both of those numbers needed to go in a southerly direction in order to be appealing. The G clubs I poked my head in were equally as disappointing, so I ventured back to the hotel for a rest.

Dinner with my friends was fantastic. It was wonderful to have a catch up. Afterwards we hit some of the bars on LK Metro. I was again absolutely gobsmacked at the lack of talent. Fat, old, dark, and ugly for the most part, and I was told these were the "best" Go-Go's. I saw maybe one or two that would pass muster, but not for what they were asking. After 3 or so bars I had seen enough and I broke off on my own to have another look at the G clubs that opened later. I was again taken aback at the lack of talent. Age and weight were definitely on display and it seems that the majority of gals working in Pattaya had forgotten where the gym was but haven't missed a meal and if perhaps added a few more meals during the day.

With my libido on the floor I decided to have a look and Beach Road. I wish I hadn't. Appalling is too nice of a word for more than one reason.

Although the talent isn't what it used to be in Bangkok, Fiwfans and the oilies have far better looking girls than what I saw in Pattaya this past weekend and I don't have to deal with the crowds of tourists. I'm also pretty assured of a certain level of performance. In all fairness, I didn't try TF down there, so maybe it is better.

So it was back to my hotel for a rather nice sleep during the cool night and a fairly early rise to grab a nice breakfast before catching the bus back to BKK, less than 24 hours after I arrived in Pattaya, probably not to return for quite a long time. Seeing the old alcoholics drinking beer in the bars open in the early morning on the way to the bus station was just the icing on the cake.

[QUOTE=TravelingMan3;2975066]Now that I live in Pattaya and no longer the thirsty dude on holiday I'm just looking for a quick release. Before I'd go to gogos and barfine what I thought was the hottest chick but now I go to GC and just look for a mouth I want to fuck. Don't get me wrong I don't want fat or sick looking chick but the super hot chick isn't a requirement any longer.

I still go to the top places Queens XS etc but I'm not paying the rates that these places ask.[/QUOTE]I had almost instant success scoring girls from Thaifriendly and Thaiflirting when I was in Patts in fall of 2023. If you're living there that's a route I would explore.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2973836]Anyone here ever barfine a Tomboy?

I don't mean a lady who will play with another lady, or do a show, I mean a real Tomboy.
[/QUOTE]What do you mean by a tomboy. A lesbian who looks and dresses like a guy? I can say I haven't. I don't find them sexy. TBH I would rather have a ladyboy. It least they can look sexy and they enjoy fucking guys.

My first trip in Pattaya. First night I stay in a hotel near W / S. After 31 hours flight (plus layover) and synced to the home clock after a good sleep, I went outside near 11:30 pm. Remembering somebody said that after midnight you might find some good looking girls with decent price, I felt that I selected a right direction. Finishing my Lanzhou noodle, heading back to hotel I picked up a girl with good looking and slim body smooth skin. After negotiation with her "Aunti" , I got the price of 2 hours for 1600 Bht. Then on the way back to the hotel the girl start to complain it is too long a walk. My hotel is right beside Hardrock. So anyway back into room, she charged me 200 for two condoms. We finihsed one shot and she irritatingly asking for a second shot without doing much. After a few minutes' unsuccessful tries, I really can't tolerate her bullshiting. I asked her to leave but she won't give me 100 bht back as she will leave the 2nd condom to me WTF. A good lesson. BTW, she suffered some body injuries on knees and breast because fighting with Indian customer per her explanation. No wonder the Indians will beat her. Although with good looking face and a young body of 22 years age, she should not stay in the hospitality industry.

I have learned my first lesson on the first night here. I still have few days staying here so let's wait and see.

[QUOTE=Kingdavide;2975367]My first trip in Pattaya. First night I stay in a hotel near W / S. After 31 hours flight (plus layover) and synced to the home clock after a good sleep, I went outside near 11:30 pm. Remembering somebody said that after midnight you might find some good looking girls with decent price, I felt that I selected a right direction. Finishing my Lanzhou noodle, heading back to hotel I picked up a girl with good looking and slim body smooth skin. After negotiation with her "Aunti" , I got the price of 2 hours for 1600 Bht. Then on the way back to the hotel the girl start to complain it is too long a walk. My hotel is right beside Hardrock. So anyway back into room, she charged me 200 for two condoms. We finihsed one shot and she irritatingly asking for a second shot without doing much. After a few minutes' unsuccessful tries, I really can't tolerate her bullshiting. I asked her to leave but she won't give me 100 bht back as she will leave the 2nd condom to me WTF. A good lesson. BTW, she suffered some body injuries on knees and breast because fighting with Indian customer per her explanation. No wonder the Indians will beat her. Although with good looking face and a young body of 22 years age, she should not stay in the hospitality industry.

I have learned my first lesson on the first night here. I still have few days staying here so let's wait and see.[/QUOTE]Goodness, is 100 baht (less than 3 USD) really worth quibbling about? If she really did get beaten up earlier in the night, perhaps a little TLC from you might have worked wonders. Who knows, you may have even gotten a free condom!

[QUOTE=JustTK;2975365]What do you mean by a tomboy. A lesbian who looks and dresses like a guy? I can say I haven't. I don't find them sexy. TBH I would rather have a ladyboy. It least they can look sexy and they enjoy fucking guys.[/QUOTE]Tomboys are very common in Pattaya. A lot look exactly like men, you may not have noticed them. Some look like Kim Un Jung, but ladies like them.

Many Tomboys in Pattaya are supported by bar girls, same as young Thai men. And there are Tomboy bars, usually open after midnight.

I was just curious as to whether anyone had gone with one.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2975267]I was finally obligated to make a trip down to Pattaya, after not being there since before covid.

A bit of history with me and the place. In the early 00's I used to go on average once a month for 3 nights. It was especially amazing during low season. You could shoot a cannon down most toys and not hit anybody, but there will always plenty of girls, and may I add plenty of good looking ones. Soi 6 was an outstanding place for early afternoon and evening entertainment. None of the bars were open air to the street and there was no blaring music. It was simply small bars, or rather full on knocking shops, full of gals who were more than willing to take you to the room for 500 to 1 k Baht with a 200 to 300 Baht BF that included the room. Drinks or of course available but you are in no way obligated to buy lady drinks, in fact you could just choose whatever caught your eye and head straight upstairs.

This city itself was so empty during low season that the two-story Starbucks, the third shop opened in the country, would often have only our small group of friends upstairs drinking coffee all afternoon.

The bars themselves were also fun, both beer bars and Go-Go's. All of the above had plenty of good looking thin early 20's gals who hadn't yet had babies. ST and LT at beer bars was 500 and 1 k respectively and at Go-Go's 1 K and 5 K respectively. In the Go-Go's girls were fun, playfully aggressive, and a lot of fun.

And then there was Marine disco that kicked off in earnest after the bars would close. No problem with 1 K long time.

If you were strolling down Walking Street at any time after say 10:00 you would have a constant barrage of girls asking to go with you. This increased after midnight when Soi 6 closed and those girls headed for the disco.

Patters was absolutely amazing during these times and I have some of my best memories of our hobby from that time.

From around 07 till the mid 10's I think I only visited once or twice, not enough to make any judgments and then between 16 and covid I would go occasionally when friends were in town. During that time I found a very changed town and scene. Soi 6 became a loud zoo of open air bars. While it was still some quite good looking girls, I found the atmosphere to be far less appealing, and of course the prices had increased and one was expected to buy drinks and sit about with the girl as opposed to getting right down to business.

Go-Go's had changed significantly both price wise, demographic of customer-wise, and atmosphere-wise. Go-Go's that catered to Asian customers had very good looking girls that weren't particularly interested in westerners and were far less interactive than the days of old. Prices also increased dramatically, even on Soi 6 where gals seem to also to prefer Asian customers. During this time I found the G clubs, namely Kinnaree, to be very enjoyable. Always some lookers, very well priced, and fun. I often wished we had places like that in Bangkok. I also found some talented times amongst the small massage joints on Soi Honey. One really good thing about this particular era is it seems many of the gals discovered going to the gym. So there were plenty of fit women about.

Unfortunately I never made it down to Pattaya during Covid, which it seems as it was in Bangkok an absolutely marvelous time for our hobby.

Fast forward to this past weekend and I agreed to meet a group of friends that I haven't seen in over a decade down at the beach. Some were in town for the first time in ages and they decided that is where they wanted to meet up. After seeing recent videos from Pattaya my expectations were low, and my expectations did not let me down.

Arriving early on a Saturday afternoon I had a very nice three course lunch special that even included a glass of wine. Aside from seeing my friends, this was the highlight of the trip. I was also astounded at the insane number of people in Pattaya.

After checking into my hotel I decided to have a bit of a walkabout and check out the central Pattaya G clubs. Strolling down Soi Honey, I was immediately struck by the size and age of the majority of the women working. Both of those numbers needed to go in a southerly direction in order to be appealing. The G clubs I poked my head in were equally as disappointing, so I ventured back to the hotel for a rest.

Dinner with my friends was fantastic. It was wonderful to have a catch up. Afterwards we hit some of the bars on LK Metro. I was again absolutely gobsmacked at the lack of talent. Fat, old, dark, and ugly for the most part, and I was told these were the "best" Go-Go's. I saw maybe one or two that would pass muster, but not for what they were asking. After 3 or so bars I had seen enough and I broke off on my own to have another look at the G clubs that opened later. I was again taken aback at the lack of talent. Age and weight were definitely on display and it seems that the majority of gals working in Pattaya had forgotten where the gym was but haven't missed a meal and if perhaps added a few more meals during the day.

With my libido on the floor I decided to have a look and Beach Road. I wish I hadn't. Appalling is too nice of a word for more than one reason.

Although the talent isn't what it used to be in Bangkok, Fiwfans and the oilies have far better looking girls than what I saw in Pattaya this past weekend and I don't have to deal with the crowds of tourists. I'm also pretty assured of a certain level of performance. In all fairness, I didn't try TF down there, so maybe it is better.

So it was back to my hotel for a rather nice sleep during the cool night and a fairly early rise to grab a nice breakfast before catching the bus back to BKK, less than 24 hours after I arrived in Pattaya, probably not to return for quite a long time. Seeing the old alcoholics drinking beer in the bars open in the early morning on the way to the bus station was just the icing on the cake.[/QUOTE]Thats all I need to read in order to convince myself not to go over there. I have enough trouble in Bangkok to find my type and fat and old isn't it.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2975186]Don't underestimate that it is pretty much dark inside the club. LOL.[/QUOTE]Picture from inside the club. You're the judge.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2975267]I was finally obligated to make a trip down to Pattaya, after not being there since before covid.

So it was back to my hotel for a rather nice sleep during the cool night and a fairly early rise to grab a nice breakfast before catching the bus back to BKK, less than 24 hours after I arrived in Pattaya, probably not to return for quite a long time. Seeing the old alcoholics drinking beer in the bars open in the early morning on the way to the bus station was just the icing on the cake.[/QUOTE]Love your reports, Goat. We seem to have a similar outlook on the Thailand scene. You saved me 2 days of hassle, I better stay in Bangkok. Soi 4 is not too bad with all the cheap and quick Vietnamese these days.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2975599]Tomboys are very common in Pattaya. A lot look exactly like men, you may not have noticed them. Some look like Kim Un Jung, but ladies like them.[/QUOTE]LOL. None of them look like men! They look like women that are trying to look like men.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2975804]Love your reports, Goat. We seem to have a similar outlook on the Thailand scene. You saved me 2 days of hassle, I better stay in Bangkok. Soi 4 is not too bad with all the cheap and quick Vietnamese these days.[/QUOTE]Many thanks. Just reporting my experience, I'm sure others find treasure there. But it's not for me. Think you are doing the right thing staying in BKK. The Viets on 4 providing good service? What's the going rate?

BTW, oilies are quite good these days. The old favorites have some talent. FYI, seems 24/1 is nearing end of days.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2975669]Thats all I need to read in order to convince myself not to go over there. I have enough trouble in Bangkok to find my type and fat and old isn't it.[/QUOTE]Glad to be of service. Sure there are some thin ones, but I certainly didn't see many. The ones I observed haven't missed a meal in a long time and are maybe eating a few extra.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2975931]The Viets on 4 providing good service? What's the going rate?[/QUOTE]Usually fine, and some are reasonably good (BBBJ, DFK, DATY, 69, many positions). Notably better than Viets in Malaysia or Singapore, but don't expect Tulip level PSE or old-style Thai GFE.

Unlike Thais, Viets are a bit more concerned about how long a session takes. They're on Soi 4 to hustle from 8 pm to 4 am each night, on a limited duration visa, so every hour counts. Thais, on the other hand, are more chill, just live here and try to make it through another day.

As for the going rate, they'll all quote 2000 baht if you ask, but most would go for 1000 or 1200 if you offer. Max I paid was 1500. There seems to be an agreement among the girls to quote 2000, more than one Viet would go with me for 1000, but specifically asked me not to tell other girls she did.

(sorry for posting on Pattaya section, this is in Bangkok. But this is where you asked).

As an aside, are there any Viets in Pattaya?

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2975935]Usually fine, and some are reasonably good (BBBJ, DFK, DATY, 69, many positions). Notably better than Viets in Malaysia or Singapore, but don't expect Tulip level PSE or old-style Thai GFE.

Unlike Thais, Viets are a bit more concerned about how long a session takes. They're on Soi 4 to hustle from 8 pm to 4 am each night, on a limited duration visa, so every hour counts. Thais, on the other hand, are more chill, just live here and try to make it through another day.

As for the going rate, they'll all quote 2000 baht if you ask, but most would go for 1000 or 1200 if you offer. Max I paid was 1500. There seems to be an agreement among the girls to quote 2000, more than one Viet would go with me for 1000, but specifically asked me not to tell other girls she did.

(sorry for posting on Pattaya section, this is in Bangkok. But this is where you asked).

As an aside, are there any Viets in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]Many thanks for the info. I'll have to have a look. Honestly, I didn't notice much else in Pattaya then fairly unattractive locals, however I did see a few Russian lookers, but they were with their Russian dudes.

All of you complaining about quality in Pattaya, did you ask yourself?

Did I put work into it?

Soi 6 has 100 bars, I found several stunners, yes I pay high for better quality and what I like.

Soi Bukhao had more then 1000 bars, have you looked?

I seen stunners, but you got to walk, you can't just sit in hotel and assume quality is bad.

Yes prices have went up but 8+ stunners were charge more way back then too.

Did you also check out Thai friendly and Massage palors? I don't think so.

I prefer Pattaya any day. There is famous saying " Pattaya has something for everybody ".

You just need to look a little.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2975938]Many thanks for the info. I'll have to have a look. Honestly, I didn't notice much else in Pattaya then fairly unattractive locals, however I did see a few Russian lookers, but they were with their Russian dudes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2975849]LOL. None of them look like men! They look like women that are trying to look like men.[/QUOTE]It seems you missed the Tomboys who look exactly like men.

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2975991]All of you complaining about quality in Pattaya, did you ask yourself?

Did I put work into it?

Soi 6 has 100 bars, I found several stunners, yes I pay high for better quality and what I like.

Soi Bukhao had more then 1000 bars, have you looked?

I seen stunners, but you got to walk, you can't just sit in hotel and assume quality is bad.

Yes prices have went up but 8+ stunners were charge more way back then too.

Did you also check out Thai friendly and Massage palors? I don't think so.

I prefer Pattaya any day. There is famous saying " Pattaya has something for everybody ".

You just need to look a little.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Pattaya's lineup has never had more stunners. But when you look through grumpy glasses all you see are the fat / ugly ones. There are hidden gems (some no so hidden) everywhere if you look properly.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2976003]It seems you missed the Tomboys who look exactly like men.[/QUOTE]Maybe that is because I know a man from a woman. Just like guys that come on this site saying they did not know the chick was a dude, but from the picture it is pretty obvious (to me anyway).

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2975991]All of you complaining about quality in Pattaya, did you ask yourself?

Did I put work into it?

Soi 6 has 100 bars, I found several stunners, yes I pay high for better quality and what I like.

Soi Bukhao had more then 1000 bars, have you looked?

I seen stunners, but you got to walk, you can't just sit in hotel and assume quality is bad.

Yes prices have went up but 8+ stunners were charge more way back then too.

Did you also check out Thai friendly and Massage palors? I don't think so.

I prefer Pattaya any day. There is famous saying " Pattaya has something for everybody ".

You just need to look a little.[/QUOTE]I walked over 25 k steps, so yes I put in the work. My friend, Pattaya is a shadow of what it was 20 years ago when it comes to p4 p. Soi 6 was one of my favorite places on the planet before the nightwish group bought all the bars and turned them from closed quiet brothels to loud open beer bars. You could basically hear a pin drop when you walk down the street 15 years ago. It was fantastic. Now it's simply loud and obnoxious. And as I said in my report sitting and buying drinks was completely optional back then. You could just point at the gal you wanted and head upstairs.

If you read my report you will find that I checked the G clubs and the massage parlors along Soi Honey and other places. LK Metro's talent was sorely lacking. And no, stunners were exactly the same price as all the other gals were back in the day.

I do plenty of online in BKK, but Fiwfans not TF. The locals' pond is overall much more desirable to fish in.

Aside from the preponderance of good inexpensive Western food, which is great, Patters doesn't really offer much for me. My favorite time to go back in the day was low season, and as I said you could shoot a cannon down most of the Sois and not hit anybody. But there was plenty of talent and most of the dudes down there during that time were not tourists, but locals, and the gals knew that and treated us as such. Even then I avoided the place December through Chinese New Year.
I see more good looking girls on the BTS in 15 min everyday and walking around the neighborhood I live in than I did in the entertainment areas in Patters.
And also, I find all the aging dudes who seem to live for the next beer hanging about in their shorts and tank tops to be incredibly depressing.

These days I'll take Bangkok any day.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2976169]I walked over 25 k steps, so yes I put in the work. My friend, Pattaya is a shadow of what it was 20 years ago when it comes to p4 p. Soi 6 was one of my favorite places on the planet before the nightwish group bought all the bars and turned them from closed quiet brothels to loud open beer bars. You could basically hear a pin drop when you walk down the street 15 years ago. It was fantastic. Now it's simply loud and obnoxious. And as I said in my report sitting and buying drinks was completely optional back then. You could just point at the gal you wanted and head upstairs.

If you read my report you will find that I checked the G clubs and the massage parlors along Soi Honey and other places. LK Metro's talent was sorely lacking. And no, stunners were exactly the same price as all the other gals were back in the day.

I do plenty of online in BKK, but Fiwfans not TF. The locals' pond is overall much more desirable to fish in.

Aside from the preponderance of good inexpensive Western food, which is great, Patters doesn't really offer much for me. My favorite time to go back in the day was low season, and as I said you could shoot a cannon down most of the Sois and not hit anybody. But there was plenty of talent and most of the dudes down there during that time were not tourists, but locals, and the gals knew that and treated us as such. Even then I avoided the place December through Chinese New Year.
I see more good looking girls on the BTS in 15 min everyday and walking around the neighborhood I live in than I did in the entertainment areas in Patters.
And also, I find all the aging dudes who seem to live for the next beer hanging about in their shorts and tank tops to be incredibly depressing.

These days I'll take Bangkok any day.[/QUOTE]Hey Goats. You make a lot of good points about Pattaya. Let me tell you how I see it. Pattaya is a huge playground for adults. It's like a huge nana or a huge soi cowboy. Therefore, the 7-10's will be spread out all over the place. The gents clubs will have one or two at each. Then there is soi 6. Each bar will have a few but there are just so many bars. Yes they have a lot of pressure to buy drinks and I get that, but about talent, it's is clearly there. Have prices gone up, yes. Times are changing. Then there is walking street. The good go go bars will have groups of stunners, but you will need to spend big. Then there is TF. This is the best way for you in my opinion to find stunners in Pattaya. The prices will be reasonable and drinks are completely out of the equation. My opinion on pats is there is more variety and P4 P is easier to find, cheaper and the action can be dirty as fuck. This means it's easier to get BBFS, easier to find a threesome and easier to walk into a club like Maggie Mays and get in bar action. Am awesome place to visit but not my cup of tea to stay full time. I have been there and done that and now I am 70% in BKK and 30% in Patts.

Now about Bangkok. My favorite part of BKK is the local scene as you put it. Fiw Fans, and T-Ded 99 offer access to in my opinion, a better quality of lady for the same price or less than a ST with a girl in Pattaya from TF. I like white skin so BKK suits me better. Then going to the clubs in BKK or massage or a gents club you will find the girls are just classier. They dress to the 9's and you need to up your game as well. Meaning more money as well. Try going into Levels in flip flops or into a roof top bar in your cargo shorts. Even the girls in Thermae and the soapie massage shops are better looking and classier. In BKK I find myself staying more and more away from the tourist haunts and more and more in the local haunts. If I ever want to go into a go go bar, I normally choose crazy house on the edge of Soi Cowboy on soi 23. Always stunners and they are completely nude on stage. TF in Bangkok was awesome before and during Covid, these days it has just gone down hill in BKK. Over all BKK for a tourist will be more expensive, but for an expat comfortable in the local haunts, you will have a blast.

This is my 2 cents Goats. Pattaya is a great place to visit, but the hunt is becoming less and less attractive to me. Now I have my spots like Maggie Mays, club fate, XS and Pin Up just to name a few. That's all I need. I'm not one to try new places in Patts anymore. Heaven Above is on my to do list though. About TF in Patts, it's just too easy. Log in, choose a girl, invite her over and that's it. BKK is too much headache.

My final thoughts, in the words of Tony Soprano, remember when is the lowest form of conversation. This meaning I dont dwell on the past and what once was. I just adapt if I want to continue to play in the normal farang pool and choose the places where I best fit in. Then I do the same as you and visit the local haunts to experience something much better in my opinion and different. Thanks for your recent posts on Pattaya. They offer a unique perspective from some that can compare the way it once was and what it is now. Do I like the new Patts or the old Patts? For me thats a hard question to answer. I guess it depends on the type of venue I am in. Cheers Mate.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2976178]Hey Goats. You make a lot of good points about Pattaya. Let me tell you how I see it. Pattaya is a huge playground for adults. It's like a huge nana or a huge soi cowboy. Therefore, the 7-10's will be spread out all over the place. The gents clubs will have one or two at each. Then there is soi 6. Each bar will have a few but there are just so many bars. Yes they have a lot of pressure to buy drinks and I get that, but about talent, it's is clearly there. Have prices gone up, yes. Times are changing. Then there is walking street. The good go go bars will have groups of stunners, but you will need to spend big. Then there is TF. This is the best way for you in my opinion to find stunners in Pattaya. The prices will be reasonable and drinks are completely out of the equation. My opinion on pats is there is more variety and P4 P is easier to find, cheaper and the action can be dirty as fuck. This means it's easier to get BBFS, easier to find a threesome and easier to walk into a club like Maggie Mays and get in bar action. Am awesome place to visit but not my cup of tea to stay full time. I have been there and done that and now I am 70% in BKK and 30% in Patts.

Now about Bangkok. My favorite part of BKK is the local scene as you put it. Fiw Fans, and T-Ded 99 offer access to in my opinion, a better quality of lady for the same price or less than a ST with a girl in Pattaya from TF. I like white skin so BKK suits me better. Then going to the clubs in BKK or massage or a gents club you will find the girls are just classier. They dress to the 9's and you need to up your game as well. Meaning more money as well. Try going into Levels in flip flops or into a roof top bar in your cargo shorts. Even the girls in Thermae and the soapie massage shops are better looking and classier. In BKK I find myself staying more and more away from the tourist haunts and more and more in the local haunts. If I ever want to go into a go go bar, I normally choose crazy house on the edge of Soi Cowboy on soi 23. Always stunners and they are completely nude on stage. TF in Bangkok was awesome before and during Covid, these days it has just gone down hill in BKK. Over all BKK for a tourist will be more expensive, but for an expat comfortable in the local haunts, you will have a blast.

This is my 2 cents Goats. Pattaya is a great place to visit, but the hunt is becoming less and less attractive to me. Now I have my spots like Maggie Mays, club fate, XS and Pin Up just to name a few. That's all I need. I'm not one to try new places in Patts anymore. Heaven Above is on my to do list though. About TF in Patts, it's just too easy. Log in, choose a girl, invite her over and that's it. BKK is too much headache.

My final thoughts, in the words of Tony Soprano, remember when is the lowest form of conversation. This meaning I dont dwell on the past and what once was. I just adapt if I want to continue to play in the normal farang pool and choose the places where I best fit in. Then I do the same as you and visit the local haunts to experience something much better in my opinion and different. Thanks for your recent posts on Pattaya. They offer a unique perspective from some that can compare the way it once was and what it is now. Do I like the new Patts or the old Patts? For me thats a hard question to answer. I guess it depends on the type of venue I am in. Cheers Mate.[/QUOTE]Excellent post. Yeah, I have to agree, the hunt is getting far less attractive as I get older. And I guess that was part of my frustration with Patters.

In fact, I've gotten so complacent I would rather hit the oilies in Asoke Phrom Pong then traipse out to Rachada 17 for Fiwfans gals. And I've found lots of gals in the oilies that are pure filth. I don't engage in BBFS, but everything else I like to be on the table. Love a good three holer and "rimming is not a city in China," and I've found plenty of willing participants. I must say that pre-covid there was a mark to decline in the oilies and I thought the pandemic would kill them off, but they've made a roaring comeback, but we have the impending closure of the ones on 24/1 in the not too distant future due to the sale of the property, and we shall have to see how that affects the scene. I know many shops have already opened second locations or are currently scouting. 22,33, 18, and 20 seem to be the locations of choice.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2976169]And also, I find all the aging dudes who seem to live for the next beer hanging about in their shorts and tank tops to be incredibly depressing.[/QUOTE]Those are all tourists though. My girlfriend said she used to see the same thing at the bar across from the place she worked before. Early in the morning guy is drinking beers them goes to his room to sleep. Wake up and go back to the bar to drink more beers then goes back to sleep. She found herself wondering how much beer do these mfs need to drink. Most of the guys that live in Pattaya have shit to do during the day and are not going to be sitting around drinking.

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[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2975991]All of you complaining about quality in Pattaya, did you ask yourself?

Did I put work into it?

Soi 6 has 100 bars, I found several stunners, yes I pay high for better quality and what I like.

Soi Bukhao had more then 1000 bars, have you looked?

I seen stunners, but you got to walk, you can't just sit in hotel and assume quality is bad.

Yes prices have went up but 8+ stunners were charge more way back then too.

Did you also check out Thai friendly and Massage palors? I don't think so.

I prefer Pattaya any day. There is famous saying " Pattaya has something for everybody ".

You just need to look a little.[/QUOTE]Eh? Soi 6 has 100 bars? No it has not maximum 30 of them. And soi bukhao dos not have 1000 bars. How are you counting? Or were you smashed drunk your whole time in Pattaya?

Back before 2019 there was 8+ on soi 6 that accepted 1000 baht. Just like there are those girls now around thailand that accept that price for local men.

Inflation in Thailand has not been +100%.

Quality in Pattaya is generell lower than it used to be. Yes you can look and find but what you see in some bars is bad. Older and fatter women. No way those bars would have started out one time in history with that staff. The reason it is still carrying on is because the whole infrastructure is in place form older times.

Not trying to argue with you seems you are keyboard warrior. There are tons of ugly girls, but there are gems to be find here and there. Unlike Bangkok, its little hard to find them.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2976503]Eh? Soi 6 has 100 bars? No ithas not maximum 30 of them. And soi bukhao dos not have 1000 bars. How are you counting? Or were you smashed drunk your whole time in Pattaya?

Back before 2019 there was 8+ on soi 6 that accepted 1000 baht. Just like there are those girls now around thailand that accept that price for local men.

Inflation in Thailand has not been +100%.

Quality in Pattaya is generell lower than it used to be. Yes you can look and find but what you see in some bars is bad. Older and fatter women. No way those bars would have started out one time in history with that staff. The reason it is still carrying on is because the whole infrastructure is in place form older times.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2976503]Eh? Soi 6 has 100 bars? No it has not maximum 30 of them. And soi bukhao dos not have 1000 bars. How are you counting? Or were you smashed drunk your whole time in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]Eh, soi 6 has 30 bars? In 2022 there were 78, and I think it hasn't changed much since then.
https://www.mikebaird-amusingthaicartoons.com/pattaya-maps-2023

And Soi Bukhao is very long, with many bars. Although 1000 is obviously an exaggaration.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2976178]
This is my 2 cents Goats. Pattaya is a great place to visit, but the hunt is becoming less and less attractive to me. Now I have my spots like Maggie Mays, club fate, XS and Pin Up just to name a few. That's all I need. I'm not one to try new places in Patts anymore. Heaven Above is on my to do list though. About TF in Patts, it's just too easy. Log in, choose a girl, invite her over and that's it. BKK is too much headache.[/QUOTE]You can scrap Heaven Above from your to do list. It's terrible. The quality there is comparable to the pictures of Club Excite that Ass Addict posted recently.

I have the same experience with TF in BKK: too much headache. But the massage joints at Sukhumvit Soi 24 are a good alternative.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2976525]You can scrap Heaven Above from your to do list. It's terrible. The quality there is comparable to the pictures of Club Excite that Ass Addict posted recently.

I have the same experience with TF in BKK: too much headache. But the massage joints at Sukhumvit Soi 24 are a good alternative.[/QUOTE]I have heard some good things about Heaven Above and seen some photos of some of the ladies. There are in my opinion 3 nice ones there. About the service, I have heard it is very comparable to Club Fate which makes me very interested to try it. The girls will pretty much do anything from what I understand. The place seems to be filled with clients every time I passed by. In fact, every time I have tried to go in, there was no place to sit. That must say something. Either other punters don't have the same taste in ladies as you do, or they don't post all the lady's photos on their social media or advertising. Have you been there before? If so I'm really interested in a more specific review from you. That would help me a lot. Thanks in advance.

About that whole Soi in general. I neglected to mention Play Girlz as one of my regular places. I have a VIP card there that gets me 20% off all purchases. I love this place because it has that go go bar exterior on the outside, but when you get in there, it's really a high class gents club. Most of the ladies are hot. I also like the shows they put on. Reminds me of the old Angel witch in nana plaza in Bangkok.

Then opposite there is Cat House. A beautiful club inside with some nice girls, but the place seems to be cursed. Any business in there can't seem to survive. Carlos from Play Girlz may or may not have something to do with that. It's a theory of mine that I have yet to be able to prove or disprove.

Then around the corner and left from Soi Boomarang on the back side is wild 69 bar. They stream a lot online and employ a lot of Laos and Cambodian girls there. Most are known for their no holds barred encounters.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2976523]Eh, soi 6 has 30 bars? In 2022 there were 78, and I think it hasn't changed much since then.
https://www.mikebaird-amusingthaicartoons.com/pattaya-maps-2023

And Soi Bukhao is very long, with many bars. Although 1000 is obviously an exaggaration.[/QUOTE]I can't see 78 doors in that kind of sois. 78 bars would mean 78 doors and at least 78 units.

1000 bars in buakhow? I have not done the math, but I bet the whole stretch of road is appr 2 km, being generous. That means a bar every 5 meters.

Whoever has been there knows there is plenty of other businesses in that road.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2976587]I can't see 78 doors in that kind of sois. 78 bars would mean 78 doors and at least 78 units.[/QUOTE]Just count the bars on the map. It looks quite accurate to me.
Don't forget that Soi 6 is about 300 to 400 meters long, and there are many small bars. And there are even some other businesses, like barbers, a weed shop, and a pharmacy.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2976569]The place seems to be filled with clients every time I passed by. In fact, every time I have tried to go in, there was no place to sit. That must say something. Either other punters don't have the same taste in ladies as you do, or they don't post all the lady's photos on their social media or advertising.[/QUOTE]It's not hard to understand why the place is packed. I highly doubt the customers going in that place are going there to barfine the women.

First of all, the women are of very low quality, mid thirty and up for almost all of them, a mix of unattractive fat and or old women like the ones we see all over Buakhao.

Secondly, the crowd going there is probably 90% old expats living on the cheap side around Buakhao, and maybe 10% of frequent visitors in Thailand who probably know better places to go and get a woman to fuck.

I've been there 3 or 4 times during my last visit in Pattaya and couldn't see a single good looking woman I would want to spend money on in that place, except maybe one slim girl covered with tattoos upstairs in their small VIP room. She is probably the one they put all over their facebook page, but she's got nothing special, and price of everything is more expensive upstairs than downstairs (customer's drink, ladydrink and barfine are more expensive), and the room is very small too, so just a few customers in and the place is already packed, and the girl is already taken of course.

The only reason that makes the place attractive is because it's free hassle and price of drinks are cheap. You can go there, enjoy the ambiance in a fresh and clean place, watching some women dancing in their bikinis (a few topless) in front of you, while your sipping your 95 baht cold Heineken and nobody come bothering you, no staff coming every 10 minutes to check your bill and look how long you've been sitting there. Conclusion, you can get a cold drink for one hour and spend only 100 baht, that's the primary reason people are going there.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2976569]About that whole Soi in general. I neglected to mention Play Girlz as one of my regular places. I have a VIP card there that gets me 20% off all purchases. I love this place because it has that go go bar exterior on the outside, but when you get in there, it's really a high class gents club. Most of the ladies are hot. I also like the shows they put on. Reminds me of the old Angel witch in nana plaza in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Been there once around midnight 3 months ago and didn't see anything you described.

To me it looked like a low level gogo place, nothing high class at all. They've got the same tactic of trying to sell tequilas to every customers, the girls were not good looking and the show was very uninteresting. Didn't feel the need to check the place a second time, that's how bad it was.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2976742]Just count the bars on the map. It looks quite accurate to me.
Don't forget that Soi 6 is about 300 to 400 meters long, and there are many small bars. And there are even some other businesses, like barbers, a weed shop, and a pharmacy.[/QUOTE]Exactly, I could count at least 75 just from memory, and I probably forgot a few too.

Some of the bars are still closed too, like Envy or The Pussy bar, and there are still places available in the soi.

Another thing is the bigger bars are slowly being divided in multiple bars too, so the soi has easily 80 operating bars.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2976742]Just count the bars on the map. It looks quite accurate to me.
Don't forget that Soi 6 is about 300 to 400 meters long, and there are many small bars. And there are even some other businesses, like barbers, a weed shop, and a pharmacy.[/QUOTE]I can see 81 bars in Soi 6.

You can count them up from this place: [URL]https://arc.net/e/E9A49AFB-5C41-4B14-BB0F-2368762E0A9E[/URL]

[U]Heaven Above[/U]

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2976788]I've been there 3 or 4 times during my last visit in Pattaya and couldn't see a single good looking woman I would want to spend money on in that place,
Been there once around midnight 3 months ago and didn't see anything you described.

[u]Play Girlz[/u]

To me it looked like a low level gogo place, nothing high class at all. They've got the same tactic of trying to sell tequilas to every customers, the girls were not good looking and the show was very uninteresting. Didn't feel the need to check the place a second time, that's how bad it was.[/QUOTE]Where are your reviews of the places where YOU think the girls are attractive? Please give prices for bar fines and social sexual services. I personally would appreciate it.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2976569]I have heard some good things about Heaven Above and seen some photos of some of the ladies. There are in my opinion 3 nice ones there. About the service, I have heard it is very comparable to Club Fate which makes me very interested to try it. The girls will pretty much do anything from what I understand. The place seems to be filled with clients every time I passed by. In fact, every time I have tried to go in, there was no place to sit. That must say something. Either other punters don't have the same taste in ladies as you do, or they don't post all the lady's photos on their social media or advertising. Have you been there before? If so I'm really interested in a more specific review from you. That would help me a lot. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Here's my take on Heaven Above during my visit last week. Downstairs had close to 30 girls. Had the agogo vibe with loud music, uniformed bikinis & dance rotation every 15 minutes. Quality wasn't great. I spotted maybe two 8's. Took 1 of them to the small VIP area upstairs. Music wasn't as loud so you can actually talk. She also took off her top once upstairs so I can play with her natural BS. There were a dozen ladies upstairs. All seem older and weren't in the prescribed bikinis. Only 1 other gentleman upstairs. The VIP room had more of a gents club vibe. I guess that's what they meant by agogo and gents club hybrid. Definitely can get a bit more fun in the VIP room but not the same naughtiness as Club Fate.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2976788]It's not hard to understand why the place is packed. I highly doubt the customers going in that place are going there to barfine the women.

First of all, the women are of very low quality, mid thirty and up for almost all of them, a mix of unattractive fat and or old women like the ones we see all over Buakhao.

Secondly, the crowd going there is probably 90% old expats living on the cheap side around Buakhao, and maybe 10% of frequent visitors in Thailand who probably know better places to go and get a woman to fuck.[/QUOTE]So why is Billabong always packed? Looks like my standards must not be as high as 95% of the people on the board, yet that is a place even I would not spend time.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2976569]I have heard some good things about Heaven Above and seen some photos of some of the ladies. There are in my opinion 3 nice ones there. About the service, I have heard it is very comparable to Club Fate which makes me very interested to try it. The girls will pretty much do anything from what I understand. The place seems to be filled with clients every time I passed by. In fact, every time I have tried to go in, there was no place to sit. That must say something. Either other punters don't have the same taste in ladies as you do, or they don't post all the lady's photos on their social media or advertising. Have you been there before? If so I'm really interested in a more specific review from you. That would help me a lot.[/QUOTE]You've heard of YMMV (your opinion may be different than others, basically)? I would not discount anyone's opinion or advice here, but I just returned home from a week in Pattaya. I went into Heaven Above, and ended up going every night I was there. For me, (65, decent shape), I found the girls to be young to middle-aged (22-36), friendly, and very service-oriented. First night I went at 10 pm and every girl was topless, probably 30 girls. I drank, talked, bought them lady drinks, took a couple upstairs, and then bar fined two. Same next night and again, 2 or 3 every night back to my hotel. If you are on a budget, maybe not for you. I was not, and only there for a week, so I was free with buying lady drinks and never wanted for company. I found the variety of girls quite satisfying. They'll rub your dick thru your pants and French kiss you openly, and anything you want upstairs. I never saw a BJ in the open downstairs. I hope this helps and offers an alternative opinion of Heaven Above. Not my first trip to Pattaya, I've been to Soi 6, gentlemen's clubs, and massage places. For me, Heaven Above was truly Heaven.

[QUOTE=HSendatsu;2976841]I can see 81 bars in Soi 6.

You can count them up from this place: [URL]https://arc.net/e/E9A49AFB-5C41-4B14-BB0F-2368762E0A9E[/URL][/QUOTE]Interesting map, never seen it before.

Good to estimate the number of bars, but still quite inaccurate. NONE of the bars on the left side of the map have ladyboys as stated (Thai rose, Omega, Love missile, O bar etc.).

Also it's missing some bars (Gold bar for example).

[QUOTE=HSendatsu;2976841]I can see 81 bars in Soi 6.

You can count them up from this place: [URL]https://arc.net/e/E9A49AFB-5C41-4B14-BB0F-2368762E0A9E[/URL][/QUOTE]That map is not up to date.

Many bars have been divided in smaller ones since that map have been done.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2976965]So why is Billabong always packed?[/QUOTE]Billabong?

I don't know this place.

[QUOTE=Intrepid123;2977014]Interesting map, never seen it before.

Good to estimate the number of bars, but still quite inaccurate. NONE of the bars on the left side of the map have ladyboys as stated (Thai rose, Omega, Love missile, O bar etc.).

Also it's missing some bars (Gold bar for example).[/QUOTE]Thai Rose is full of LB, but I agree that Omega or Avarice doesn't have any.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2976953][U]Heaven Above[/U]

Where are your reviews of the places where YOU think the girls are attractive? Please give prices for bar fines and social sexual services. I personally would appreciate it.[/QUOTE]Almost exclusively Soi 6, prices, services are dependent on the girl. Not that they are the most attractive, but that's where I found the best mix between young age, attractiveness and price. Service is another story, but lately I had a better luck than in November 2022 for example.

I could occasionally take from gogos on Walking Street like Iron, but it's too expensive for my taste.

I don't post reviews about these anymore because it would be too repetitive, but you can find at least 5 from me with the search function "soi6" around December 2022 like this one post "36480": [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=2770475&highlight=soi6[/URL]#post2770475.

Last trip I made the mistake of taking back a freelance girl working in one of the bars around Buakhao and I did regret it. I occasionally go have a look at gent clubs discussed here, but never saw anything interesting there.

Thanks everyone for your reviews. Seems it all boils down to perception and YMMV.

[QUOTE=Intrepid123;2977014]Interesting map, never seen it before.

Good to estimate the number of bars, but still quite inaccurate. NONE of the bars on the left side of the map have ladyboys as stated (Thai rose, Omega, Love missile, O bar etc.).

Also it's missing some bars (Gold bar for example).[/QUOTE]I can't say it is right, as I am still looking for info for my trip next October and haven't been there.

[QUOTE=MikeNm;2976980]You've heard of YMMV (your opinion may be different than others, basically)? I would not discount anyone's opinion or advice here, but I just returned home from a week in Pattaya. I went into Heaven Above, and ended up going every night I was there. For me, (65, decent shape), I found the girls to be young to middle-aged (22-36), friendly, and very service-oriented. First night I went at 10 pm and every girl was topless, probably 30 girls. I drank, talked, bought them lady drinks, took a couple upstairs, and then bar fined two. Same next night and again, 2 or 3 every night back to my hotel. If you are on a budget, maybe not for you. I was not, and only there for a week, so I was free with buying lady drinks and never wanted for company. I found the variety of girls quite satisfying. They'll rub your dick thru your pants and French kiss you openly, and anything you want upstairs. I never saw a BJ in the open downstairs. I hope this helps and offers an alternative opinion of [u]Heaven Above[/u]. Not my first trip to Pattaya, I've been to Soi 6, gentlemen's clubs, and massage places. For me, Heaven Above was truly Heaven.[/QUOTE]This mirrors my experiences in [U]Heaven Above[/U]. Glad you enjoyed the place [B]MikeNm[/B]!

[B]Ballin like a Gent's Club Pro![/B]

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2977072]Billabong?

I don't know this place.[/QUOTE]Billabong is an open air bar right at the bend in LK Metro. You have probably walked past it many times.

Lots of freelancers work there.

I occasionally enjoy beer across thai rose. Its 100% LB bar. I saw parades of koreans / asian custumers going in and out.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2977083]Thai Rose is full of LB, but I agree that Omega or Avarice doesn't have any.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mystic23;2976962]Here's my take on Heaven Above during my visit last week. Downstairs had close to 30 girls. Had the agogo vibe with loud music, uniformed bikinis & dance rotation every 15 minutes. Quality wasn't great. I spotted maybe two 8's. Took 1 of them to the small VIP area upstairs. Music wasn't as loud so you can actually talk. She also took off her top once upstairs so I can play with her natural BS. There were a dozen ladies upstairs. All seem older and weren't in the prescribed bikinis. Only 1 other gentleman upstairs. The VIP room had more of a gents club vibe. I guess that's what they meant by agogo and gents club hybrid. Definitely can get a bit more fun in the VIP room but not the same naughtiness as Club Fate.[/QUOTE]This is a very accurate assessment. I wouldn't compare Heaven above with Fate. Totally different. Older girls in Fate who love playing pool to get themselves and guys naked whilst downing shots. Lots of action in the open, BBBJs most nights on view on couches etc. Heaven Above far more as you say semi-agogo type bar downstairs, no pool table, most girls topless and upstairs the speakeasy is very small, intimate, expensive drinks and girls more hands on. Both are good options (and of course very close to one another) but very different.

[QUOTE=HSendatsu;2977116]I can't say it is right, as I am still looking for info for my trip next October and haven't been there.[/QUOTE]What info are you looking for 9 months away? You come, get a room, and go out to look for chicks you want to fuck. No info needed.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2976587]I can't see 78 doors in that kind of sois. 78 bars would mean 78 doors and at least 78 units.

1000 bars in buakhow? I have not done the math, but I bet the whole stretch of road is appr 2 km, being generous. That means a bar every 5 meters.

Whoever has been there knows there is plenty of other businesses in that road.[/QUOTE]But in thailand: an umbrella, a table 3-4 chair and a cute waitress = a bar. Same thing wtih a cute waitress and some girls hanging around a wasted pool table = a beer bar. Add a pole and ask the the girst to stand still near it without mooving and you have a gogo.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2977173]This is a very accurate assessment. I wouldn't compare Heaven above with Fate. Totally different. Older girls in Fate who love playing pool to get themselves and guys naked whilst downing shots. Lots of action in the open, BBBJs most nights on view on couches etc. Heaven Above far more as you say semi-agogo type bar downstairs, no pool table, most girls topless and upstairs the speakeasy is very small, intimate, expensive drinks and girls more hands on. Both are good options (and of course very close to one another) but very different.[/QUOTE]This is a very accurate comparison of: [U]Club Fate[/U] and [U]Heaven Above[/U]. Completely aligns with my experiences visiting both places. I have an excellent time in either venue.

Of course my experiences do not invalidate anyone else's experiences. For me [U]Soi 6[/U] is a highly over rated, chaotic, hit and miss experience. Maybe it was better 20 - 30 years ago. [B]ROTFLMAO![/B]. Even if is was, I cannot miss what I didn't experience.

I think we can all agree that Soi 6 and Soi Bukao have tons of bars. For Soi 6, 30 is not the number. It is a least double. About Soi Bukao, I would have to say there are close to 1000, especially if you include the side streets such as Soi Made, Myth, LK, tree town and so on.

[QUOTE=HSendatsu;2977116]I can't say it is right, as I am still looking for info for my trip next October and haven't been there.[/QUOTE]Wow, next October being 2026? This October being October 2025 would be a more realistic time frame for you to be doing research. PATTAYA will change significantly by October 2026 Mr. E is correct. Before coming to Pattaya, one should do some basic research on pricing and get an idea of what places they would like to visit and maybe what hotel they would like to stay in. Other than that, just come find girls, have your fun and go back home. By reading the forum, you will find all of this information out. The search function can be very useful. Good luck.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2977149]Billabong is an open air bar right at the bend in LK Metro. You have probably walked past it many times.

Lots of freelancers work there.[/QUOTE]I see, it's probably the place in front of Black Minou bar.

Yes it's often packed, but I never stopped by that place. Don't really like the bars around Buakhao to be honest.

Soi 6, is one of Pattaya's most famous streets for adult nightlife. Located between Pattaya Second Road and Beach Road, it's a hotspot for bars, nightlife, and a lively atmosphere that caters to adult tourists seeking entertainment and companionship.

[B]Hotels to Stay Near Soi 6 [/B]

If your vacation will revolve around Soi 6, staying nearby is convenient. Here are some recommendations:

1. Sea Me Spring Too Hotel, Location: A 5-minute walk from Soi 6. , Price: $40-$60 per night, Why Choose: Modern rooms, rooftop pool, guest-friendly.

2. Pattaya Blue Sky Hotel, Location: Close to Soi 6, but quieter for better sleep. Price: $30-$50 per night. Why Choose: Affordable, clean, guest-friendly with great reviews.

3. Sabai Wing Hotel, Location: A short walk from Soi 6, Price: $35-$60 per night. Why Choose: Mid-range, good amenities, and guest-friendly.

4. The Siam Guesthouse, Location: On Soi 6, Price: $20-$30 per night. Why Choose: Budget-friendly, right in the heart of the action.


[B]Bars on Soi 6[/B]

Soi 6 is lined with well over 50 bars. This is currently under debate in the forum, so let's just agree there are a shit load. Each offering unique themes, drink options, and experiences. Many of these bars double as short-time venues.

What They Offer:

Drinks: A wide range of beers, cocktails, and local spirits.

Company: Ladies are available to chat, dance, and offer companionship.

Atmosphere: Some bars are loud and lively, while others have a more laid-back vibe.

Short-Time Rooms: Most bars have rooms available upstairs or nearby.


[B]Pricing for the Ladies[/B]

1. Lady Drinks: Cost: 150-250 THB ($4-$7) per drink. Buying a lady drink allows you to chat and get to know the staff. Often you can feel them up, fuck around with them and dance.

2. Bar Fines: Cost: 500-2,500 THB ($9-$28), depending on the bar and time of day you want to take the girl out of the bar. This fee is paid to the bar to take a lady out.

Short-Time: Cost: 1,000-2,000 THB ($28-$56) directly to the lady plus approximately 500 baht paid to the bar for the short time room. Typically for 1-2 hours with the lady and one shot unless you negotiate more. Long-Time: Typically starts when you bar fine the girl until the next morning. Cost: 2,500-5,000 THB ($70-$140). Normally includes 1-2 shots before bed and one in the morning.


[B]Strategies for the Best Value[/B]

1. Visit Early in the Day

Bars open between 2 PM and 4 PM. Early visits often mean better attention from ladies, but higher bar fines for LT. More selection for ST.

2. Build Rapport First:

Spend time chatting and buying a couple of drinks to establish a connection and make sure to ask if the girl is willing to bar fine with you or go to the ST room with you before investing in more than 1 or 2 lady drinks. This will also make negotiations smoother.

3. Negotiate Respectfully:

After some friendly conversation, politely ask about rates. Avoid haggling aggressively, as this may cause offense. Do your research and feel free to use the above rates as a guideline.

4. Limit Lady Drinks:

Be mindful of how many lady drinks you buy. It's easy to overspend. However, if you are the kind of person like me that enjoys drinking and partying with the girls whether or not you take any of them or not, then you will have a good time doing this well. YMMV.

5. Check Promotions:

Some bars offer happy hours or drink deals that can save you money.

6. Barfines

Bar fine after midnight for long time.


[B]Safety Tips [/B]

1. Keep Valuables Secure:

For Long term encounters, use your hotel safe for passports, large sums of cash, and other valuables.

2. Know Your Limits:

Don't over drink and don't overthink, as this can make you an easy target for scams or theft, but overthinking can also cause you to have a terrible time while analyzing every little detail.

3. Be Polite but Firm:

If you're not interested in a lady or service or buying a lady drink, politely decline and move on. If you have a dispute over your bill, stay firm and stay calm. If you can't resolve the dispute, sometimes its better to pay and walk away. However, if the amount of the dispute is unreasonable, you may have no choice but to get the police involved. Always stay respectful and polite and initiate the help of a Thai person or a lawyer or agent that can assist. Don't end up like the guys on the news. There are a couple of services in Pattaya that offer 24 hour emergency lines that can help with this kind off stuff or even when you have a dispute with a girl that you have bar fined.

4. Check Room Hygiene:

If you use a short-time room, inspect the cleanliness first.

5. Condoms:

This is a preference for the girl and the customer. Whatever both parties agree. However, do not trick girls or remove the condom without their consent. I know some guys on the board talk about spontaneity and so on, but it's just not cool. Some Thai girls don't have the personality to fight and worry about not getting paid if they don't allow the punter to continue without a condom. Don't be idiots guys. These girls are human beings as well. If you want a specific service such as BBFS CIP or BBBJ CIM sometimes a "no" will turn into a "yes" if you offer more money. Other times, just being an all around nice and respectful guy will get you what you want. [B]Unless you are EL Mexicant and then you can just use your special Punjabi prince powers lol[/B]

6. Exercise common sense.

If a lady looks too young, walk away. Even an 18 year old is too young to work in the bar. You may think the bar is responsible and not you, but you bought the drinks for her so that may cause you some issues. Ladies often use fake IDs to get a job in Soi 6. She may even of told you they were 18. I have had that happen to me and I just walked away. They are too young to work in any bar. These girls often use fake ID, if that is uncovered and the lady turns out to be 17 or less, it could mean big trouble for you as well as the bar.


[B]Tips for Talking to the Ladies[/B]

1. Be Friendly and Relaxed:

Smile, maintain eye contact, and be respectful.

2. Ask Simple Questions:

How long have you worked here?" or "Where are you from?" are good icebreakers. Don't go into thousands of details with conditions as Thai culture does not appreciate talking too much.

3. Show Interest Without Pressure:

Compliments go a long way but avoid making them feel obligated.

4. When to Bring Up Leaving:

After you've chatted for a while and bought a drink or two, subtly ask, "Are you ready to go out?" This must have been lightly touched on during your first or second drink. Now should just be easy and simple.

[B]Reasonable Budget Suggestions for the ladies[/B]

Daily Budget:

Drinks: 1,000-2,000 THB ($28$56).

Bar Fines + Lady: 1,500- 3,000 THB ($42-$85).

Soi 6 can offer a memorable experience if you approach it with a friendly attitude, set clear boundaries, and enjoy responsibly as there are tons of ladies and different style of bars.


[B]The Night Wish Group and the Ladies of Soi 6. [/B]

Soi 6 is heavily influenced by the Night Wish Group, which operates a significant number of bars on the street. This group has streamlined the operations of Soi 6, offering a consistent experience in terms of pricing, service, and atmosphere across their venues. However, be aware that their business model is selling lady drinks so know that when going in and follow the advice above.

The Sheer Variety of Ladies.

Soi 6 is known for its abundance of working ladies. On any given day, there are hundreds of women available, catering to a wide variety of tastes:

Shapes and Sizes: From slim and petite to curvy and voluptuous.

Ages: Most ladies are in their 20's or 30's, though some older women are also available.

Appearance: The range goes from strikingly beautiful to less attractive, white skin, dark skin, tanned, ensuring there's someone for nearly every preference.

This variety makes Soi 6 an accessible and exciting destination, regardless of personal taste.

Advantages and Disadvantages of Soi 6 vs. Pattaya Gentlemen's Clubs.


[B]Advantages of Soi 6[/B]

1. Lively Atmosphere:

Soi 6 is vibrant, with music, energy, and plenty of action happening simultaneously.

2. Variety and Accessibility:

With over 50 bars and countless ladies, the selection is unmatched.

3. Cost:

Pricing is typically reasonable if you know what you are doing. Only go short time with the ladies or only bar fine long time after midnight.

4. Casual Vibes:

No need to dress up or adhere to formalities; it's a laid-back environment.

5. Quick Turnaround:

Short-time arrangements are straightforward, with rooms readily available above or near most bars.


[B]Disadvantages of Soi 6[/B]

1. Less Privacy:

The open, bustling environment can feel less discreet compared to gentlemen's clubs. Many you tubers are filming everything.

2. Inconsistent Quality:

The experience can vary greatly depending on the bar and the lady chosen.

3. Pushy Staff:

Some bar staff may pressure you to buy lady drinks or commit to spending.

4. Limited Comfort:

Short-time rooms can sometimes be basic or poorly maintained.


[B]Advantages of Pattaya Gentlemen's Clubs [/B]

1. Exclusive Atmosphere:

Gent's clubs offer a more relaxed, intimate, and private setting.

2. Ladies:

Clubs typically feature more relaxed and uninhibited ladies who often will service you out in the open of the bar.

3. Comfort and Service:

Comfortable seating, air conditioning, and attentive staff enhance the experience, and the prices are extremely reasonable in most cases.

4. They often open as early as 12 noon or 1PM.


[B]Disadvantages of Gentlemen's Clubs[/B]

1. Quality of talent can be lacking sometimes.

2. Limited Selection as, Gents Clubs tend to have fewer ladies than the sprawling variety on Soi 6.


[B]Choosing Soi 6 or a Gentlemen's Club [/B]

If you're looking for variety and a lively experience, Soi 6 is unbeatable.

If you prefer a private and more relaxed setting with ladies who are not scared to get down and dirty with less pressure to buy drinks, a gentlemen's club might suit you better.

Here are some of my favorite bars on Soi 6 in no specific order of preference:

1. Mod Bar.

2. Passion.

3. Helicopter.

4. Horny Bar.

5. Exotica.

6. Avarice.

7. Omega.

8. Fire.

9. Toy Box.



[B]ONE LAST POINT. DO NOT BUY 40 DRINKS UNLESS YOU ARE KOREAN OR YOU HAVE MONEY TO BURN JUST LIKE ME LOL [/B]

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2977251]Wow, next October being 2026? This October being October 2025 would be a more realistic time frame for you to be doing research. PATTAYA will change significantly by October 2026 Mr. E is correct. Before coming to Pattaya, one should do some basic research on pricing and get an idea of what places they would like to visit and maybe what hotel they would like to stay in. Other than that, just come find girls, have your fun and go back home. By reading the forum, you will find all of this information out. The search function can be very useful. Good luck.[/QUOTE]Next October as in this year's October. I have already found lots of useful information (I know I don't need 9 months for information), such as dancewatchers for good apartments. But I like to be prepared when I travel.

[QUOTE=HSendatsu;2977314]Next October as in this year's October. I have already found lots of useful information (I know I don't need 9 months for information), such as dancewatchers for good apartments. But I like to be prepared when I travel.[/QUOTE]I been in Pattaya at least a dozen of time as visitor, I am not ex-pat. So all trip was short trip (less then a month) for the lady mainly. So if you have some question posts them in reply of this one and I will give you the bests response I have if I can. I visit the place at least 2 time a years so I am usually up to date on most things.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2977289][/QUOTE]How lucky are newbies to Pattaya that you took the considerable time to post all that. Fabulous resume.

May I be so bold as to offer a slight additions to the pros and cons of Soi 6 v Gents Clubs.

Girls on Soi 6 when taken to the room. Pro - likely to be younger and prettier than Gents Clubs. Con. Will want you to pop quickly, get you out so they can hopefully line up the next punter. So if you are after optifuk. Soi 6 is better.

Taking a girl or girls to the room in Gents Clubs. Pros. Far more relaxed experience, you may well get action in the open area as stated, then move to the room where the girl will be more interested in providing good service which might even cause you to spend longer with her, or take her again on your next trip. Con. She may not be as pretty as the young speedy girls on Soi 6.

Hence. Horses for courses. If you are young, have a rapid refractory period, head to the Six for multiple pops with slim young pretty girls. If you are a bit older, to the point you may just about getting a second shot in after a decent recovery time, Gents Clubs are perfect!

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2976178]Now about Bangkok. My favorite part of BKK is the local scene as you put it.

This is my 2 cents Goats. Pattaya is a great place to visit, but the hunt is becoming less and less attractive to me. Now I have my spots like Maggie Mays, club fate, XS and Pin Up just to name a few. That's all I need. I'm not one to try new places in Patts anymore. Heaven Above is on my to do list though. About TF in Patts, it's just too easy. Log in, choose a girl, invite her over and that's it. BKK is too much headache.[/QUOTE]Thank you for sharing your post about BKK. I will try Crazy House next time.

About Pattaya, I also agree. On WS as far as go-gos, Pinup, XS, Palace, Shark, 89, Iron, is good enough for me. No more investigating other go-gos due to the massive decline in overall talent. I don't even really go to LK Metro or Soi 6 anymore. Beach road is different, with some hard work and persistence, you can find a very cheap gem there. Discos? Yikes. I couldn't find anything worth taking at 808, Ibar, Insomnia, etc on my last trip.

I’ll add that Patong was a waste of time, for me. Thats more of a family place. Pattaya has everything I need as its more catered to adult entertainment.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2977289]Soi 6, is one of Pattaya's most famous streets for adult nightlife. Located between Pattaya Second Road and Beach Road, it's a hotspot for bars, nightlife, and a lively atmosphere that caters to adult tourists seeking entertainment and companionship.
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[/QUOTE]Thank you.

Is fair to say that generally your tip for strategy and safety applies all over Pattaya? And should we expect that aspects like ST vs LT decisions will be similar but prices will generally be higher or lower based on the area like WS, Soi Pothole, Darkside, etc. ?

[QUOTE=MrHappyKat;2977681]Thank you.

Is fair to say that generally your tip for strategy and safety applies all over Pattaya? And should we expect that aspects like ST vs LT decisions will be similar but prices will generally be higher or lower based on the area like WS, Soi Pothole, Darkside, etc. ?[/QUOTE]Pricing in Pattaya: A Guide for Your Trip.

When it comes to pricing for ST and LT in Pattaya, you can use what I mentioned about Soi 6 pricing as a general guideline for the other areas, walking street being a little on the higher side though. The old timers on the board, alongside the Cheap Charlie's, will usually be on the lower end of the pricing spectrum. Then, there are guys like me who really don't care about the cost as long as I'm having a good time and getting the experience I'm after. Don't forget about the Punjabi Prince who gets everything for free LOL.

Of course, you can always fall somewhere in between. Depending on the girl, the location, and the type of experience you're seeking, you might pay a little more or less. There's no one-size-fits-all approach when it comes to pricing in Pattaya.

Experiences will also almost be the same over over Pattaya. The girls will treat you nice and give you what you want as long as you are respectful and polite. Nowadays the girls in bars are more geared towards short time encounters where freelancers are often more open to long time. That is just the majority and it all depends on their individual circumstances such as boyfriends, sponsors, money being needed urgently and whether or they like you or not.

That being said, guys who overthink every detail of their Pattaya holiday often end up ruining the whole experience by stressing over costs. Don't fall into that trap just relax and enjoy yourself. Common sense goes a long way here. If you're upfront about what you want and keep things simple, you'll find that the experience is usually much smoother and more enjoyable. However, make sure you don't over spend according to your budget. I find shorter holidays with a higher budget will be much more enjoyable.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2946451]I'm taking the keyboard to try a little financial recap of my last stay for those who are interested since after the buttocks the most recurrent subject concerns prices and expenses (and also one of those that unleashes the most passions). It is of course about expenses incurred on personal priorities and choices.
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[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2977770]Pricing in Pattaya: A Guide for Your Trip.

When it comes to pricing for ST and LT in Pattaya, you can use what I mentioned about Soi 6 pricing as a general guideline for the other areas, walking street being a little on the higher side though. The old timers on the board, alongside the Cheap Charlie's, will usually be on the lower end of the pricing spectrum. Then, there are guys like me who really don't care about the cost as long as I'm having a good time and getting the experience I'm after. Don't forget about the Punjabi Prince who gets everything for free LOL.[/QUOTE]I always appreciate seeing pricing information, thanks for posting. First time visitors to Thailand should also read PPPPP's report from September. I'm sure some spend a little less and some spend a lot more, but PPPPP gives a good summary of what you might spend for various living and mongering expenses in Thailand.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2977770]Pricing in Pattaya: A Guide for Your Trip.

That being said, guys who overthink every detail of their Pattaya holiday often end up ruining the whole experience by stressing over costs. Don't fall into that trap just relax and enjoy yourself.[/QUOTE]This is SO TRUE. I'm on my third day in Pattaya now. On my first day I was so hyper-cautious to not get overcharged I ended up NOT getting a drink at any of the bars at Soi 6, NOT going into any of the clubs on Walking Street, and NOT taking home a freelancer on Beach Road. That night I realized, I just scammed myself! I didn't come this far NOT to enjoy myself. So my second night I got a drink on Soi 6 and played dice games with one of the girls. Then went to Skyfall strip club on Walking Street and had 3 girls with me at my table being flirtatious, rubbing my cock, etc for the cost of 1 lady drink each (200 baht per) and then took the cutest of the 3 out for short time which came out to 5,500 baht for her fee + bar fine and then another 500 baht for a hotel room across the street (so 6,000 baht total or about $180 usd).

Full review. At the club, after I've already paid, on google translate she writes "protected only" and I'm like, fine. We get into the room and she types "no kissing" and I reply "you're super cute, I was looking forward to kissing you" and she's like no kissing, so I just say fine. I was beginning to have buyer's remorse because in Bangkok I had experiences where the girl complained about me being too big, blocked, was visibly uncomfortable, and the whole situation was very awkward. I was worried this would turn out the same, but for twice the price. But she was actually chill, started with a BJ which was actually quite good (and uncovered, thank god). After a while I was like, are you ready to get on top? She asked "condom? So I was like sure. She asked if I had one. I was like not on me, back in my room, don't YOU have one? She said no. I was pretty sure she'd either A) tell me to go downstairs and buy one, even though we're both already naked. Or B) try to charge me another 2,000 baht for BB and I would see if I could get her down to 1,000 baht extra, but I was ready to go there. Instead she writes on google translate "don't go inside" and I'm like ok. I thought she was going to get on top for P2 P like simulated sex, but no penetration. Instead she gets on top and puts me inside of her and she meant not to CIP. So she starts riding me and I enjoy the view for a while. Then we switch and I was on top until pulling out and cumming on her stomach. We quickly rinsed off before heading abck on the street, and her back to work.

Personally, I think I've preferred the massage parlor experience in Bangkok, where for 2400 baht you can get more bang for your buck, but I'm happy to be trying to make the most out of the experience being here in Pattaya. Feel like I need to give Soi 6 another try tonight.

[QUOTE=Libertine212;2977932]This is SO TRUE. I'm on my third day in Pattaya now. On my first day I was so hyper-cautious to not get overcharged I ended up NOT getting a drink at any of the bars at Soi 6, NOT going into any of the clubs on Walking Street, and NOT taking home a freelancer on Beach Road. That night I realized, I just scammed myself! I didn't come this far NOT to enjoy myself. So my second night I got a drink on Soi 6 and played dice games with one of the girls. Then went to Skyfall strip club on Walking Street and had 3 girls with me at my table being flirtatious, rubbing my cock, etc for the cost of 1 lady drink each (200 baht per) and then took the cutest of the 3 out for short time which came out to 5,500 baht for her fee + bar fine and then another 500 baht for a hotel room across the street (so 6,000 baht total or about $180 usd).

Full review. At the club, after I've already paid, on google translate she writes "protected only" and I'm like, fine. We get into the room and she types "no kissing" and I reply "you're super cute, I was looking forward to kissing you" and she's like no kissing, so I just say fine. I was beginning to have buyer's remorse because in Bangkok I had experiences where the girl complained about me being too big, blocked, was visibly uncomfortable, and the whole situation was very awkward. I was worried this would turn out the same, but for twice the price. But she was actually chill, started with a BJ which was actually quite good (and uncovered, thank god). After a while I was like, are you ready to get on top? She asked "condom? So I was like sure. She asked if I had one. I was like not on me, back in my room, don't YOU have one? She said no. I was pretty sure she'd either A) tell me to go downstairs and buy one, even though we're both already naked. Or B) try to charge me another 2,000 baht for BB and I would see if I could get her down to 1,000 baht extra, but I was ready to go there. Instead she writes on google translate "don't go inside" and I'm like ok. I thought she was going to get on top for P2 P like simulated sex, but no penetration. Instead she gets on top and puts me inside of her and she meant not to CIP. So she starts riding me and I enjoy the view for a while. Then we switch and I was on top until pulling out and cumming on her stomach. We quickly rinsed off before heading abck on the street, and her back to work.

Personally, I think I've preferred the massage parlor experience in Bangkok, where for 2400 baht you can get more bang for your buck, but I'm happy to be trying to make the most out of the experience being here in Pattaya. Feel like I need to give Soi 6 another try tonight.[/QUOTE]Yes you did the right thing on the second night. Some of the guys here will tell you that you got scammed and never buy any drinks and never go to a go go on walking street. Don't listen to them. Some nights in Pattaya you will spend more and other nights you will spend less. It all evens out in the end. Look at my Soi 6 post below and give it another shot. Then try a Pattaya gents club. Then do a beer bar at Myth or Soi Made. Then do a massage. Then check out a freelancer from Thai Friendly. Then go to insomnia or 808 and take a freelancer. Then grab a girl off beach road. You get my point right? If I was a guy on holiday that's what I would do. Try everything. All will be priced differently. Then the next time you are back you can decide which of those Pattaya options you liked best and stick to those on your 2nd trip.

About your WS go go experience, you didn’t buy many drinks and it cost you 6000 Baht. You got to experience it and next you may have a better time in another go go or you may decide to not go back. Give or take 1500 baht you were not ripped off. WS is just more expensive. Enjoy your holiday mate.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2977992]Yes you did the right thing on the second night. Some of the guys here will tell you that you got scammed and never buy any drinks and never go to a go go on walking street. Don't listen to them. Some nights in Pattaya you will spend more and other nights you will spend less. It all evens out in the end. Look at my Soi 6 post below and give it another shot. Then try a Pattaya gents club. Then do a beer bar at Myth or Soi Made. Then do a massage. Then check out a freelancer from Thai Friendly. Then go to insomnia or 808 and take a freelancer. Then grab a girl off beach road. You get my point right? If I was a guy on holiday that's what I would do. Try everything. All will be priced differently. Then the next time you are back you can decide which of those Pattaya options you liked best and stick to those on your 2nd trip.

About your WS go go experience, you didnt buy many drinks and it cost you 6000 Baht. You got to experience it and next you may have a better time in another go go or you may decide to not go back. Give or take 1500 baht you were not ripped off. WS is just more expensive. Enjoy your holiday mate.[/QUOTE]My last full day in town I made it a personal mission to say YES more to enjoy what Pattaya has to offer. Based on the "Guide" below, I took an early pass through Soi 6, around 3 pm. So early, in fact, that most of the bars weren't open yet A girl tried pulling me into a bar called Omega, and whereas I would typically brush it off and politely decline, this time I said YES. She was alright but not really my type, so I bought her a lady drink (200 baht) and made polite conversation while eyeing the room to pick a favorite. One clearly stood out to me, so I asked to buy her a drink after (160 baht). We had a good rapport, so I asked her about ST and LT. She told me that she had another appointment with a regular and that I should come back later. Which was disappointing. We exchanged info on Instagram and Discord.

Walking around killing time I thought I'd try one of the small massage parlors all over town. A day or two ago I went for a proper 2-hour Thai Massage at Let's Relax, a chain of luxury spas in town, I knew this would be a very different experience. A relatively cute masseuse said "massage and boom boom?" as I passed by. You already know my answer was YES. She was cute, late-30's, massage was mediocre, and so was the sex, but a pretty good deal for 1,300 baht (around $40 usd).

For dinner I went to the Thepprasit Night Market where they have a hanger filled with street food stalls. I tried 6 different things ranging from roast chicken to noodles to honey pork ribs, chicken pad kra prow and a thai iced tea and all-in-all it came out to 200 baht ($6 usd). Also a handful of guys there with their LT girlfriends, which makes for a cute date night and cultural exchange.

Then returned to Soi 6 at prime time. Passed by Omega again but didn't see the girl I was chatting with earlier so I kept it moving. At another bar, Showgirls, a pretty hot girl in the street grabbed me to come inside. I was tempted to keep it moving but she started stroking my cock in the street over my shorts. The she called over another girl from the bar to feel it. Then they called over a third girl to check it out and she put her hands down my shorts in the middle of the street. I felt like they've earned my patronage. Also, whereas in Bangkok I had two back-to-back experiences where size was an issue, in this instance it seemed appreciated. She asked if I want to buy a drink and I said no, lets go straight to the room (2000 baht to the girl and 400 baht bar fine, around $70). Room was upstairs from the bar. There was a larger room where two guys brought up 3 girls, sounds like a good time. We took a quick shower, and in the shower the girl I'm with starts massaging me and says she gives a good massage, so I said show me back in the room. So we started out with one, and I got to say, it was a better massage than the one at the massage parlor earlier in the day. Then I flipped and she started with BJ and then put on the cover and got on top. She put in work riding me every which way. Then I got on top, and then tried finishing in BJ and HJ to no avail. I was still on empty from earlier in the afternoon. But had an excellent time none the less.

Strolled Walking Street to check out the scene. Was dead tired back at my hotel room, but after relaxing for an hour I rallied to take a last look at Soi 6 at 1:30 am thinking maybe I'll find someone to take home, but was surprised to see on a Saturday night most of the bars were closed by then. Maybe 25% were still open, but definitely much lower energy. Decided to call it a night and take the win, tomorrow I'm back to Bangkok.

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[B]Pricing for the Ladies[/B]

1. Lady Drinks: Cost: 150-250 THB ($4-$7) per drink. Buying a lady drink allows you to chat and get to know the staff. Often you can feel them up, fuck around with them and dance.

2. Bar Fines: Cost: 500-2,500 THB ($9-$28), depending on the bar and time of day you want to take the girl out of the bar. This fee is paid to the bar to take a lady out.

Short-Time: Cost: 1,000-2,000 THB ($28-$56) directly to the lady plus approximately 500 baht paid to the bar for the short time room. Typically for 1-2 hours with the lady and one shot unless you negotiate more. Long-Time: Typically starts when you bar fine the girl until the next morning. Cost: 2,500-5,000 THB ($70-$140). Normally includes 1-2 shots before bed and one in the morning.
[/QUOTE]This pictures show what thais themselves pay. I want to bring it up because some people think prices in Thailand has risen because of inflation, it has not. Its price increases against tourists not inflation. 1200 gives you a young cute girl. 600 gives you a 30+ MILF that looks ok.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2978097]This pictures show what thais themselves pay. I want to bring it up because some people think prices in Thailand has risen because of inflation, it has not. Its price increases against tourists not inflation. 1200 gives you a young cute girl. 600 gives you a 30+ MILF that looks ok.[/QUOTE]And on Soi 6, 1000-2000 gets you the same. Why are you polluting the Pattaya threads with this Thai sideline pricing? The discussion is about Soi 6 pricing. Apples and oranges. Are you that fixated on trying to convince guys not to go to Soi 6 because it may expose them to paying a few hundred baht more or less than what Thais pay? Listen, Soi 6 in Pattaya will survive no matter what you post and this is just irrelevant to the Pattaya threads. If you don't want to pay, let's just say 1000 baht or 1500 baht on Soi 6, don't go there and no need to talk about it even. Go where you want and post about your experiences in that area. Alas after checking your posts, I have not seen one report about you fucking a girl and then reporting about it. All I saw was post after post debating about pricing. What does that tell me? It tells me that either you are not paying for pussy because it's too expensive for you or you are not even in Thailand or Pattaya and have not been for a long time. What would be amazing for me and others is if you were in Pattaya and could find a Thai sideline girl, contact her, go to fuck her, pay her and then come back here and post about it in the Pattaya section. Then maybe the guys will follow your lead? Why? Because you will have provided guidance on how to navigate that scene in Pattaya. Im sure the majority of the mongers in Pattaya who are tourists would appreciate another option they can try. Alas they cant try it now because you have not given them enough info on where to find these Thai sideline girls in Pattaya and have not posted your experiences with them so the guys can mirror your strategies. Perhaps if you did this, more ISG members would appreciate what you are posting about. Thanks in advance for your cooperation. I think you have some good points so let's see you put those good points to use and report on them.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2978097]This pictures show what thais themselves pay. I want to bring it up because some people think prices in Thailand has risen because of inflation, it has not. Its price increases against tourists not inflation. 1200 gives you a young cute girl. 600 gives you a 30+ MILF that looks ok.[/QUOTE]Part of the reason for lower prices for Thai men is the ladies are fishing for a boyfriend. A regular customer can become a boyfriend. A guy who can pay 600 baht can probably support a mate.

Recently returned from mongering trip of SEA.

Thailand: Always and forever have special place in my heart where I had great laughs, sex and food.

I am not going to complain about quality or prices, cause even in America prices is risen and its worldwide thing for everything.

Before departure, I made a mistake to pay TF membership like always. But this time I never pull one girl from TF that I couldent find outside.

At my age recently, I developed a habit of seeing the girl before taking her to my room as oppose to chatting online and sometimes hit or miss.

After several years of mongering, now I really firmy belive, stunner generally don't go online to find custmers.

If pattaya is your destination for hobby, trust me you don't realy need TF, or Tinder. Simple, go to Soi 6, or one of dozens street in Soi Buk you will definitly find what you.

Looking for, it might will take you steps but you will find it. Pattaya has something for everyone.

About the pricing threads.

Lets not forget that the beauty part of Pattaya is that there is something out there for EVERY budget.

I've had girls coming from a short time offer me boom boom for 500 baht. Quick turnaround for them and a bargain for the punter as long as you don't mind sloppy seconds.

Most beach road girls these days can be had from 700-1200 baht.

TF girls usually start at 1000 and go up from there.

Then you have your massage parlor extras. Some you can even "bar fine" from the shop and take back to your room.

Then there is beer bars, night clubs, go go clubs, and gents clubs.

If you went buck wild in skyfall on night 1, night 2 you can get yourself a BR cutie or a TF freelancer on the cheapy cheap.

My last few trips to Pattaya have been months long excursions so I had to find a way to make my budget last me longer. It's not easy or even really feasible to drink and party every night for 4 months nor would I even want to. I found I can find whatever I need to feed my libido in Pattaya and it doesn't always have to break the bank.

Just remember fellas how you spend your money is "up to you".

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2978097]This pictures show what thais themselves pay. I want to bring it up because some people think prices in Thailand has risen because of inflation, it has not. Its price increases against tourists not inflation. 1200 gives you a young cute girl. 600 gives you a 30+ MILF that looks ok.[/QUOTE]Please let me know then app from where these screenshots were taken from.

I am coming to Thailand next week.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2978238]These are from twitter. But you have to barter the price. When I was there in July I was also asked for 2000 on soi 6 by two women. One agreed on 1500 and another on 1200. The third one was ready to go for 1000. I think I overpaid a little bit for the first two, but ok, I can live with it because it will be a long time before I go there again.

The punjabi prince is proberbly fake. If no fully fake then at least to 85% fake.

Pay double or more than what thais pay and don't think about. I still hold to my belive that prices was a fundamental factor behind Pattayas success. I just want to inform people about what thais pay before they go to soi 6 and think that 2000 for an average looking 30 year old or even a cute 23 year old is fully normal in Thailand. Or belive that its is inflation that has caused prices to raise. Inflation has caused a price increase in Thailand of a maximum 7 %. So from 1000 baht it should be no more than 1100. From 1000 to 2000 on soi 6 is a 100% price increase. I think people should know the prices of services paid by thais before they come to Thailand. So they know the score. And don't think that 2000 on soi 6 is about inflation.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot for the info.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2978097]This pictures show what thais themselves pay. I want to bring it up because some people think prices in Thailand has risen because of inflation, it has not. Its price increases against tourists not inflation. 1200 gives you a young cute girl. 600 gives you a 30+ MILF that looks ok.[/QUOTE]You have to wonder why ladies in Pattaya would advertise online for 600 baht when they could just go into a bar in Pattaya and get 1000 - 1500 baht for ST. Even with no English.

I'm in Pattaya. Yeah I know there's tons of massage shops but specifically I'm looking for a real massage, good tease, and a handie or she's really enthusiastic, a decent BJ. Appreciate the help. Don't want to waste too much time not finding the right thing. In truth, nyc Korean shops are the gold standard.

This post is for us Cheap Charlies. 100 baht foot massage is back! After a hiatus of at least 10 years, the price has dropped. I was riding around this morning and spotted this shop on Soi Buakhao across from Maju Bar. 200 baht oil massage as well. No idea what the name of the shop is. There were 3 signs, all with different names.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2978415]This post is for us Cheap Charlies. 100 baht foot massage is back! After a hiatus of at least 10 years, the price has dropped. I was riding around this morning and spotted this shop on Soi Buakhao across from Maju Bar. 200 baht oil massage as well. No idea what the name of the shop is. There were 3 signs, all with different names.[/QUOTE]Back? Foot massage in several shops between Soi 15 and holiday Inn has been 100 baht for years, oil massage 200. I've been going mostly place called Home Massage since 2017 when a girl took me there, 100 baht always.

That's about inflation.

[QUOTE=Knobrm;2978571]Back? Foot massage in several shops between Soi 15 and holiday Inn has been 100 baht for years, oil massage 200. I've been going mostly place called Home Massage since 2017 when a girl took me there, 100 baht always.

That's about inflation.[/QUOTE]I thought they were all 150 and 209 now. I used to fuck a chick from Home Massage and Seven Days. Now that I think about it, the most massage chicks that I have fucked have been along that strip.

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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2978706]I thought they were all 150 and 209 now. I used to fuck a chick from Home Massage and Seven Days. Now that I think about it, the most massage chicks that I have fucked have been along that strip.[/QUOTE]555 even cheap Charlies get lost with pricing at times and end up overpaying!

Most places around the town 150/200 for foot and 250-300 for oil, however for some reason that strip has lower prices. Service no worse than elsewhere, so no different to sex what comes to price vs quality of service.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2979163]This is good, but when I went to put my clothes back on, somebody had stolen them. Angry bird refused to let me keep the shop towel, and since I had hidden the rest of the money in my clothes, I had no money for tuk-tuk either. I had to walk all the way back to the hotel naked, and many people point at me. If you do this, make sure nobody steals your clothes while you are relaxing with happy time.[/QUOTE]There is a night market on Boo Cow behind Central Festival. There is a stall in the back where they sell used and stolen clothing for cheap. Check there. Afterwards, you can get one of the best looking burgers nearby for 120 baht. Tell me isn't this the most good looking burger in Pattaya? Some say if you squint your eyes, you can see famous in the burger. They call it the Harvey Banger!

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2979220]There is a night market on Boo Cow behind Central Festival. There is a stall in the back where they sell used and stolen clothing for cheap. Check there. Afterwards, you can get one of the best looking burgers nearby for 120 baht. Tell me isn't this the most good looking burger in Pattaya? Some say if you squint your eyes, you can see famous in the burger. They call it the Harvey Banger![/QUOTE]Did that burger come out just after the 2015 Miss Universe pageant when Steve Harvey announced Miss Colombia as the winner, when Pia Alonzo Wurtzbach of the Philippines was the actual winner?

Sometimes old-timers here will post that Pattaya was much better 20 years ago, as the ladies now are older and fatter.

The flip side is that ladies with a decent rack were rare 20 years ago. And those with a decent chest were heavier than average.

My guess is that there have been a lot of mixed race babies born in Thailand over the last 50 years. Not just Farang-Thai, but Indian-Thai, Arab-Thai, whatever. So there are now much fewer of the young toothpick type ladies, and more with bodies in line with Europe and the Americas.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2979790]Did that burger come out just after the 2015 Miss Universe pageant when Steve Harvey announced Miss Colombia as the winner, when Pia Alonzo Wurtzbach of the Philippines was the actual winner?[/QUOTE]Me not sure. All I know is that the real winner should have been Miss India Urvashi Rautela. India should be top 3 every year. Just like how we rank in most desirable tourist destinations, cleanest country, best world movies, and most beautiful creations of Vishnu. Philippines only win because of guilt factor of being past colonized. India is all natural beauty. We are also taking over and slowly conquering Pattaya as the preferred mongers and tourists. See video on Pattaya and Indians.

[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EFsag4AmtPw[/URL]

You are not the first person to mention Steve Harvey. I'm sorry my eyes cannot see the resemblance like others have said. Long time ago, there was that blue / gold dress controversy. I saw red. Just like Urvashi Rautela below. Isn't she a lovely creature? Very famous Bollywood starlet. I have nudes of her too.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2979935]Me not sure. All I know is that the real winner should have been Miss India Urvashi Rautela. India should be top 3 every year. Just like how we rank in most desirable tourist destinations, cleanest country, best world movies, and most beautiful creations of Vishnu. Philippines only win because of guilt factor of being past colonized. India is all natural beauty. We are also taking over and slowly conquering Pattaya as the preferred mongers and tourists. See video on Pattaya and Indians.

[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EFsag4AmtPw[/URL]

You are not the first person to mention Steve Harvey. I'm sorry my eyes cannot see the resemblance like others have said. Long time ago, there was that blue / gold dress controversy. I saw red. Just like Urvashi Rautela below. Isn't she a lovely creature? Very famous Bollywood starlet. I have nudes of her too.[/QUOTE]I have mongered in India and would certainly agree that Indian babes are very beautiful, however, I have experienced some challenges one of which may not be appropriate to express here and the other is service. I have gotten extremely bad service there but also some very good sexual experiences. On that note I have never encountered any Indian providers in Thailand. Have you guys in ISGland met any?

Prostitution is Illegal in Thailand for other nationalities but for Thais. The amount of Indians comes to Thailand there is ugnent need of Indian gogos, or Beer bars to keep indians at the bay. If indian babies were so great, why million of indians go overseas for mongering.

Been to India for meeting and work purpose, never had any impressive session. Apart from bad service, I also have worry about not getting food poisioning.

India, no thank you.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2980065]I have mongered in India and would certainly agree that Indian babes are very beautiful, however, I have experienced some challenges one of which may not be appropriate to express here and the other is service. I have gotten extremely bad service there but also some very good sexual experiences. On that note I have never encountered any Indian providers in Thailand. Have you guys in ISGland met any?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2979884]Sometimes old-timers here will post that Pattaya was much better 20 years ago, as the ladies now are older and fatter.

The flip side is that ladies with a decent rack were rare 20 years ago. And those with a decent chest were heavier than average.

My guess is that there have been a lot of mixed race babies born in Thailand over the last 50 years. Not just Farang-Thai, but Indian-Thai, Arab-Thai, whatever. So there are now much fewer of the young toothpick type ladies, and more with bodies in line with Europe and the Americas.[/QUOTE]Or maybe the other ladies stayed away before because they figured that guys only wanted the young toothpick ladies. Now they realize there is a pot for every lid.

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2980079][b]Prostitution is Illegal in Thailand for other nationalities but for Thais.[/b] The amount of Indians comes to Thailand there is ugnent need of Indian gogos, or Beer bars to keep indians at the bay. If indian babies were so great, why million of indians go overseas for mongering.

Been to India for meeting and work purpose, never had any impressive session. Apart from bad service, I also have worry about not getting food poisioning.

India, no thank you.[/QUOTE]That ought to make for some very interesting reading in the Thai Penal Code or the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act of 1996.

Has a new Code or Act with that qualifier been enacted in the past 2-3 weeks while nobody was looking?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2980065]I have mongered in India and would certainly agree that Indian babes are very beautiful, however, I have experienced some challenges one of which may not be appropriate to express here and the other is service. I have gotten extremely bad service there but also some very good sexual experiences. On that note I have never encountered any Indian providers in Thailand. Have you guys in ISGland met any?[/QUOTE]There are Punjabamamas on Coconut Bar near LK and WS applying their trade. Some even in the clubs. It won't be long until complete domination by Indian customers. I've mentioned it before. The Thai National Emblem is a Hindi god. So the government knows what's up. The Thai girls in Pattaya have a saying about us Punjabs. "Once you go brown, other colours let you down".

I've been here two weeks so far and I haven't posted in years, but I'm really tired of how gay the Discord groups are and how mods abuse their titles, so here's what I did.

I went to Wild 69. I've seen their stream on YouTube and wanted to see the girls in person. I heard there was a mix of Thai, Laos and Cambodian, but it was only Thai girls. They weren't interested in me anyways. I passed by 3 more times throughout the week and it appears that they are only interested in the live stream and enjoy looking at themselves on the big TV. I think simps are actually buying them virtual drinks or something. The girls were not my type once I could see them live.

I went into some gentlemen's clubs like Honey, Buzzin and Maggie Mays. The dudes in there are not like me and I felt like it wasn't my place to be. I tried the double BJ at Maggie's but after all the upselling of drinks and pushy hostess, I ended up paying 4000 baht for a two girl blowjob with lots of wet tissues and not even a full CIM. Never again.

I also went to some gogo's around Soi Boomerang since I BF a dancer there once and wanted to check the vibe. The girls looked hot, but I was there only 5 minutes and the girl that I met back in August 2023, Annie, changed since I first met her. She was nice and shy, but now she was demanding shots and had already thrown back 2 lady drinks and 1 tequila. Wasted $25 in no time. I'd like to just smash her and skip all the drinking bullshit.

Made my way over to Soi 6 a few times. I'm looking for a particular type of girl that is kawaii, a small, cute, freshed faced girl. I've had some luck in the past but also a few strikeouts. I entered 3 different bars that night with 3 different kawaii fantasy girls. I bought drinks, talked and flirted and out came the games. After 30 minutes or so I suggested going upstairs but no go. I get it though, I really do.

Went back to Soi 6 to visit a girl I've known for a few years, she's off and on. I prefer when she doesn't work and comes to my room to smash and hangout, but she's back in the bar and told me to meet her there. Always happy to smash her. Blonde hair, tight body, tight ass and big naturals all in proportion, just not the kawaii type.

Back to Soi 6 for a third time and still hunting kawaii and got pulled into a bar with a barely legal teen that was near kawaii. They were playing Thai music and she was grinding me and started to DFK a lot, and was grabbing my cock through my pants and in this situation it usually means I'm good, especially considering she started the kissing, but no ST. She's just seducing me to sell drinks. You know I've had girls suck my dick and fuck me but refuse to kiss you know, so this was ass backwards to me as kissing is like passionate and something people do when they are falling in love, but this is how she gamed me. I'm not mad about it. It's just what happened.

I also went to Bong Kock 8 four times already. Now this is what Soi 6 was ten years ago. A row of brothels. Soi 6 has turned into a tourist trap, with these open air hostess bars with the possibility of a BF but only if it suits the girl. The customer is the least of their concern. They didn't give AF about me. They only want to sell alcohol.

Bong Koch 8 girls were mid but I gave it a go at 007 with a mechanical BJ CIM. They have a BF of 400 and a fee for a girl of 500 instead of just one incluse price. I also tried Bada Bing, Purple and Pirates. FS was 400 BF and girl-1000 be. They're all the same style of bars, but again, the customers were different from me. I mean much older and very unhealthy with extreme belly fat and breathing problems. But the service overall was nice, not pushy with drinks and fair prices for BJ or FS albeit the girls were not matching my aesthetics. I want a Soi 6 cosplayer with Bong Koch 8 service. I also saw a few Korean men enter and turn around and walk out. This tells me it's the beginning of the end already. It's only a matter of time.

Now that I'm sober I understand that these days Pattaya is really about selling alcohol with the lure of sex, but that's where it gets complicated. Finding some Boom Boom is easy still, but is it the type of Boom Boom you want? I'm trying to stay away from writing a reflection and just give the facts of my past two weeks. I'm sure there will be so much hate and everyone assuming I'm a bad customer that attracts negativity everywhere I go, and that I'm an idiot that doesn't understand how things work and then you'll report me to the mods for saying the girls were mid or whatever. I don't care.

[QUOTE=AmericanThief;2980505]I've been here two weeks so far and I haven't posted in years, but I'm really tired of how gay the Discord groups are and how mods abuse their titles, so here's what I did.

I went to Wild 69. I've seen their stream on YouTube and wanted to see the girls in person. I heard there was a mix of Thai, Laos and Cambodian, but it was only Thai girls. They weren't interested in me anyways. I passed by 3 more times throughout the week and it appears that they are only interested in the live stream and enjoy looking at themselves on the big TV. I think simps are actually buying them virtual drinks or something. The girls were not my type once I could see them live.

I went into some gentlemen's clubs like Honey, Buzzin and Maggie Mays. The dudes in there are not like me and I felt like it wasn't my place to be. I tried the double BJ at Maggie's but after all the upselling of drinks and pushy hostess, I ended up paying 4000 baht for a two girl blowjob with lots of wet tissues and not even a full CIM. Never again.

I also went to some gogo's around Soi Boomerang since I BF a dancer there once and wanted to check the vibe. The girls looked hot, but I was there only 5 minutes and the girl that I met back in August 2023, Annie, changed since I first met her. She was nice and shy, but now she was demanding shots and had already thrown back 2 lady drinks and 1 tequila. Wasted $25 in no time. I'd like to just smash her and skip all the drinking bullshit.

Made my way over to Soi 6 a few times. I'm looking for a particular type of girl that is kawaii, a small, cute, freshed faced girl. I've had some luck in the past but also a few strikeouts. I entered 3 different bars that night with 3 different kawaii fantasy girls. I bought drinks, talked and flirted and out came the games. After 30 minutes or so I suggested going upstairs but no go. I get it though, I really do.

Went back to Soi 6 to visit a girl I've known for a few years, she's off and on. I prefer when she doesn't work and comes to my room to smash and hangout, but she's back in the bar and told me to meet her there. Always happy to smash her. Blonde hair, tight body, tight ass and big naturals all in proportion, just not the kawaii type.

Back to Soi 6 for a third time and still hunting kawaii and got pulled into a bar with a barely legal teen that was near kawaii. They were playing Thai music and she was grinding me and started to DFK a lot, and was grabbing my cock through my pants and in this situation it usually means I'm good, especially considering she started the kissing, but no ST. She's just seducing me to sell drinks. You know I've had girls suck my dick and fuck me but refuse to kiss you know, so this was ass backwards to me as kissing is like passionate and something people do when they are falling in love, but this is how she gamed me. I'm not mad about it. It's just what happened.

I also went to Bong Kock 8 four times already. Now this is what Soi 6 was ten years ago. A row of brothels. Soi 6 has turned into a tourist trap, with these open air hostess bars with the possibility of a BF but only if it suits the girl. The customer is the least of their concern. They didn't give AF about me. They only want to sell alcohol.

Bong Koch 8 girls were mid but I gave it a go at 007 with a mechanical BJ CIM. They have a BF of 400 and a fee for a girl of 500 instead of just one incluse price. I also tried Bada Bing, Purple and Pirates. FS was 400 BF and girl-1000 be. They're all the same style of bars, but again, the customers were different from me. I mean much older and very unhealthy with extreme belly fat and breathing problems. But the service overall was nice, not pushy with drinks and fair prices for BJ or FS albeit the girls were not matching my aesthetics. I want a Soi 6 cosplayer with Bong Koch 8 service. I also saw a few Korean men enter and turn around and walk out. This tells me it's the beginning of the end already. It's only a matter of time.

Now that I'm sober I understand that these days Pattaya is really about selling alcohol with the lure of sex, but that's where it gets complicated. Finding some Boom Boom is easy still, but is it the type of Boom Boom you want? I'm trying to stay away from writing a reflection and just give the facts of my past two weeks. I'm sure there will be so much hate and everyone assuming I'm a bad customer that attracts negativity everywhere I go, and that I'm an idiot that doesn't understand how things work and then you'll report me to the mods for saying the girls were mid or whatever. I don't care.[/QUOTE]I think I have a unique perspective on your post as I also read your post in both discords. The issue you are having in Pattaya is the same issue as most older guys have. They just don't buy into the lady drink model of doing business and we all get that. That is why Pattaya is still the perfect place. Why do I say that you ask? It's because there are options for everyone. Why try to fit the square peg into the round hole? Use Thai Friendly in Pattaya. No lady drinks end of story. Go to find girls on beach road. No lady drinks, end of story. Why do you insist to go into bars in Pattaya and then complain that you need to buy drinks. I just don't get it. Take yourself out of that situation and go to meet FLs. You say you are not an old guy but you have that old school mentality. Maybe there are two stages of old then LOL. Why do I say this? Because if you are not that old, head down to walking street into a few of the bars there like insomnia and candy shop. Find freelancers. No lady drinks, end of story.

About the gents clubs in Pattaya. I am going to say that you need to be more firm. Yes the girls there will want drinks. However, they are way less pushy on soi Pothole than on walking street or soi 6. You went into to Maggie Mays three times and subjected yourself to the same thing over and over again. My suggestion to you would be to walk into a gents club such as Maggie Mays, head to the bar and order a beer. Find a girl or two and buy a few drinks. 1-2 each. Then go upstairs with them and fuck. Also, who gives a rats ass about the other customers? Why do you care? No need to pay any attention to them. Just go there to smash the girls and have fun.

In your other discord posts, you mentioned you had many good experiences in Pattaya, but after reading your post here, I don't see you had any. I dare say the problem might be you in some way. In Maggie Mays there was an issue over 1000 Baht. For me, 1000 Baht is nothing and I would never even complain about it. For others it might be more. However, you need to be firm with the girls. If you don't want one girl around, ask her to leave. If you have an issue with your bill or a lady, talk to the manager. You did none of these things and just kept rolling with the punches. Why?

Also don't worry about the mods here. They are not a part of of any group of bars so nobody cares and nobody will report you to the mods. Rant all you want about how Pattaya has changed for the worst. However, just realize that you could have made your Pattaya trip a lot better if you played a different game.

In summary to try to help you and some newbies, here is what you and others should take away from this.

1. You do not need to buy 40 drinks in any bar to have a good time. Just say no when you are ready to stop buying them.

2. Ask the girl if she will bar fine or go to the ST with you during the first round of drinks. That way you won't waste time with a girl that won't go or is not into you.

3. Gents clubs are the best for feeling out a girls limits and hesitations. You mentioned kissing. In the gents clubs you can mess around in the bar Playing with ass, tits, pussy and French kissing. I do it all the time. That will be an indication on whether or not you will have a good session or not. Dirty in the bars dirty in the room. Free test drive LOL.

4. If another girl tries to crash your party, send her packing immediately if you don't want her around. The girls love to invite their friends to drink. It's how they help each other. Everyone is their sister lol. Just say no.

5. Any issues with a girl, call the manager immediately. Don't just take it on the chin. They will sort it out and even buy you a few drinks. I don't expect you to listen or agree with any of this or even post a comprehensive rebuttal as you just ignored all the others who gave you advice in the discord. You just kept going from bar to bar increasing more and more of your frustration. I felt really bad for you mate. All you had to do was pick up your smart phone and within 30 minutes a hot FL from Thai Friendly would be in your hotel room. No lady drinks. End of story.

For the record, just so everyone understands for the context, he went into Maggie Mays and went behind the curtain with Gee Gee and Dao. He had a good time with them but never got a cum in mouth behind the curtain. Then another lady weaseled her way into his bin and ended up getting a few drinks and in the confusion, the server added more drinks than what he wanted. Instead of complaining to the manager he just paid and then whined about it later. He should have said he didn't order them. In some bars on soi 6, paying would be the best thing to do. However, in Maggie Mays, they have a policy that the girls are not allowed to pressure for drinks. Meaning that if they get a "no" they need to accept it and walk away.

Back to Gee and Dao. I have been with them separately and together. It has always been no holds barred action. Everything they didn't give you, I got. Here is a photo of both of them for the rest of the guys.


Oh and welcome back. Post more here. No issues with mods here in the same way as discord. There is even a rants thread where you can whine and moan and swear and slag anyone off. you can rant about any topic you want. The mods will leave you alone. However, be aware, it’s a complete and utter shit show in there so be prepared. Lol

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2980232]There are Punjabamamas on Coconut Bar near LK and WS applying their trade. Some even in the clubs. It won't be long until complete domination by Indian customers. I've mentioned it before. The Thai National Emblem is a Hindi god. So the government knows what's up. The Thai girls in Pattaya have a saying about us Punjabs. "Once you go brown, other colours let you down".[/QUOTE]Is this some sort of joke-troll account?

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2980079]Prostitution is Illegal in Thailand for other nationalities but for Thais.[/QUOTE]It's illegal for everyone, Thais are no exception.

[QUOTE]
There are three primary acts that make prostitution illegal in Thailand:

The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act:

This Act prohibits both male and female prostitution in public places and brothels and classifies prostitution as illegal. Anyone who is caught offering sexual services will be fined a minimum of 1,000 THB. Penalties for those supervising them, such as brothel owners, are higher, as this Act is not focused on punishing the sex workers themselves.

The Penal Code Amendment Act:

Section 286 of the Penal Code Amendment Act states that anyone over the age of 16 who subsists on the earnings of a prostitute will be imprisoned for 7 to 20 years and fined from 14,000 to 40,000 THB. Convicted offenders can even be imprisoned for life.

This does not apply to those who rely on financial support from a prostitute who is required by law or morality to provide it.

The Anti-Trafficking in Persons Act:

This Act criminalizes all forms of human trafficking, including sex trafficking which involves the recruitment, transfer, and exploitation of individuals for the purpose of forced prostitution. The Act also imposes severe penalties on those who assist and patronize the traffickers.[/QUOTE][URL]https://siam-legal.com/travel-to-thailand/fines-and-penalties-for-soliciting-prostitution-in-thailand/[/URL]

The difference is that it’s rarely enforced.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2980526]The issue you are having in Pattaya is the same issue as most older guys have. They just don't buy into the lady drink model of doing business and we all get that.[/QUOTE]I thought it was more younger guys that did not buy into it. Kind of like older guys are the sugar daddies. Younger guys are not out trying to spend a bunch of money on a chick.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2980584]It's illegal for everyone, Thais are no exception.

[URL]https://siam-legal.com/travel-to-thailand/fines-and-penalties-for-soliciting-prostitution-in-thailand/[/URL]

The difference is that its rarely enforced.[/QUOTE]Where in the Code, the Act or your quotes from them the part that says it is illegal or a crime for consenting adults of any nationality or ethnicity to exchange money for sex in Thailand?

Can you provide us with the exact quote, sentence or phrase, please?

A sudden urge to start considering retirement hit me a few days back, while working on my itinerary for an upcoming Indonesia trip. I booked a detour trip to Thailand to see if it's appeals as a long-term home.

My first 2 nights are booked in Bangkok, leaving 4 nights. Looking for insight on how to split that time. I'm considering Si Racha as a retirement spot, so a visit to Pattaya seems like a good plan (or I'm justifying a trip to Pattaya). An obvious solution would be to do 2 nights in Pattaya, then decide whether to stay, or go back to Bangkok. Another option is do 2 and 2, then take 2 in Si Racha.

Mongering isn't the top priority, but I'm going to do enough to keep me happy. I've already got Thai Friendly installed and thanks to all who have recommended it. It appears to be a gold mine. I'm a big fan of massage, so I'll be checking that out.

I'm looking for opinions and suggestions. What things make your favorite places better, for you? I doubt many here spend a lot of time in Si Racha, but any insight is appreciated.

The retirement thing is just the preliminary stage. I'm at least 2 years out, maybe 3.

[QUOTE=AmericanThief;2980505]I've been here two weeks so far and I haven't posted in years, but I'm really tired of how gay the Discord groups are and how mods abuse their titles, so here's what I did.[/QUOTE]Excellent report, full of detail and well written too. Kudos to Mr. Thief for his fine work.

[QUOTE=AmericanThief;2980505]I went into some gentlemen's clubs like Honey, Buzzin and Maggie Mays. The dudes in there are not like me and I felt like it wasn't my place to be. I tried the double BJ at Maggie's but after all the upselling of drinks and pushy hostess, I ended up paying 4000 baht for a two girl blowjob with lots of wet tissues and not even a full CIM. Never again.

I also went to some gogo's around Soi Boomerang since I BF a dancer there once and wanted to check the vibe. The girls looked hot, but I was there only 5 minutes and the girl that I met back in August 2023, Annie, changed since I first met her. She was nice and shy, but now she was demanding shots and had already thrown back 2 lady drinks and 1 tequila. Wasted $25 in no time. I'd like to just smash her and skip all the drinking bullshit.

Made my way over to Soi 6 a few times. I'm looking for a particular type of girl that is kawaii. I entered 3 different bars that night with 3 different kawaii fantasy girls. I bought drinks, talked and flirted and out came the games.[/QUOTE]Well I had to look up kawaii and it appears to be a Japanese thing. (Actually, I should not have had to look it up because that is one of the first Japanese words I learned when I was in the Navy and had Japanese girlfriends.) However, you are in Thailand. And maybe that is what threw me off (kind of like if someone was in the Russia thread writing about chicas.) Personally, when I get to Kenya next month, I will not be hunting blonde chicks with flat asses. There is a whole place called Europe for that.

Is it so hard to walk in to a place and ask about the blow jobs and boom booms before throwing away the 4000 bahts and the $25?

Are you there for the dudes or the hookers? The hookers are there for money. If you walked in with money, then it is no doubt your place to be.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2980615]Where in the Code, the Act or your quotes from them the part that says it is illegal or a crime for consenting adults of any nationality or ethnicity to exchange money for sex in Thailand?

Can you provide us with the exact quote, sentence or phrase, please?[/QUOTE]You will not find what you are referring to because Thailand is not a western country so the laws are worded differently. But what you will find is the Thai laws mention a specific scenario. Often it requires that scenario to take place before you realize there are two consenting adults. These scenarios could be an interaction in a Pattaya bar, a Pattaya gents clubs, or a chat on Thai Friendly with a Pattaya girl. At the end of the day, this debate is old. I would suggest we open a user blog for this. Perhaps you could be the admin for it.

Now perhaps things have changed in Thailand which I doubt it has the overwhelming majority of Thai bar girls was from Issan-North, North and Northeast Thailand those women were of mainly Laos and Cambodian descent. Thailand has 3 Cambodian speaking provinces there. They all share the same face thus I had to go by there accent, I lived in Buriram for 2 years and I was stopped by emigration police daily and to my surprise most spoke English!

[QUOTE=AmericanThief;2980505]I've been here two weeks so far and I haven't posted in years, but I'm really tired of how gay the Discord groups are and how mods abuse their titles, so here's what I did.

I went to Wild 69. I've seen their stream on YouTube and wanted to see the girls in person. I heard there was a mix of Thai, Laos and Cambodian, but it was only Thai girls. They weren't interested in me anyways. I passed by 3 more times throughout the week and it appears that they are only interested in the live stream and enjoy looking at themselves on the big TV. I think simps are actually buying them virtual drinks or something. The girls were not my type once I could see them live.

I went into some gentlemen's clubs like Honey, Buzzin and Maggie Mays. The dudes in there are not like me and I felt like it wasn't my place to be. I tried the double BJ at Maggie's but after all the upselling of drinks and pushy hostess, I ended up paying 4000 baht for a two girl blowjob with lots of wet tissues and not even a full CIM. Never again.

I also went to some gogo's around Soi Boomerang since I BF a dancer there once and wanted to check the vibe. The girls looked hot, but I was there only 5 minutes and the girl that I met back in August 2023, Annie, changed since I first met her. She was nice and shy, but now she was demanding shots and had already thrown back 2 lady drinks and 1 tequila. Wasted $25 in no time. I'd like to just smash her and skip all the drinking bullshit.

Made my way over to Soi 6 a few times. I'm looking for a particular type of girl that is kawaii, a small, cute, freshed faced girl. I've had some luck in the past but also a few strikeouts. I entered 3 different bars that night with 3 different kawaii fantasy girls. I bought drinks, talked and flirted and out came the games. After 30 minutes or so I suggested going upstairs but no go. I get it though, I really do.

Went back to Soi 6 to visit a girl I've known for a few years, she's off and on. I prefer when she doesn't work and comes to my room to smash and hangout, but she's back in the bar and told me to meet her there. Always happy to smash her. Blonde hair, tight body, tight ass and big naturals all in proportion, just not the kawaii type.

Back to Soi 6 for a third time and still hunting kawaii and got pulled into a bar with a barely legal teen that was near kawaii. They were playing Thai music and she was grinding me and started to DFK a lot, and was grabbing my cock through my pants and in this situation it usually means I'm good, especially considering she started the kissing, but no ST. She's just seducing me to sell drinks. You know I've had girls suck my dick and fuck me but refuse to kiss you know, so this was ass backwards to me as kissing is like passionate and something people do when they are falling in love, but this is how she gamed me. I'm not mad about it. It's just what happened.

I also went to Bong Kock 8 four times already. Now this is what Soi 6 was ten years ago. A row of brothels. Soi 6 has turned into a tourist trap, with these open air hostess bars with the possibility of a BF but only if it suits the girl. The customer is the least of their concern. They didn't give AF about me. They only want to sell alcohol.

Bong Koch 8 girls were mid but I gave it a go at 007 with a mechanical BJ CIM. They have a BF of 400 and a fee for a girl of 500 instead of just one incluse price. I also tried Bada Bing, Purple and Pirates. FS was 400 BF and girl-1000 be. They're all the same style of bars, but again, the customers were different from me. I mean much older and very unhealthy with extreme belly fat and breathing problems. But the service overall was nice, not pushy with drinks and fair prices for BJ or FS albeit the girls were not matching my aesthetics. I want a Soi 6 cosplayer with Bong Koch 8 service. I also saw a few Korean men enter and turn around and walk out. This tells me it's the beginning of the end already. It's only a matter of time.

Now that I'm sober I understand that these days Pattaya is really about selling alcohol with the lure of sex, but that's where it gets complicated. Finding some Boom Boom is easy still, but is it the type of Boom Boom you want? I'm trying to stay away from writing a reflection and just give the facts of my past two weeks. I'm sure there will be so much hate and everyone assuming I'm a bad customer that attracts negativity everywhere I go, and that I'm an idiot that doesn't understand how things work and then you'll report me to the mods for saying the girls were mid or whatever. I don't care.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2981055]You will not find what you are referring to because Thailand is not a western country so the laws are worded differently. But what you will find is the Thai laws mention a specific scenario. Often it requires that scenario to take place before you realize there are two consenting adults. These scenarios could be an interaction in a Pattaya bar, a Pattaya gents clubs, or a chat on Thai Friendly with a Pattaya girl. At the end of the day, this debate is old. I would suggest we open a user blog for this. Perhaps you could be the admin for it.[/QUOTE]The Thai Penal Code and the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act are quite clear and "westernized" about stating that trafficking, pimping and other types of procuring people for the purposes of prostitution as well as hiring a pimp, trafficker or procurer to recruit people for that purpose being illegal. As we saw in the quotes posted by Rocko earlier.

But a man who has a private conversation with a woman, both consenting adults, who offers her money for sex, she agrees and off they go to his hotel room is not a pimp, trafficker, procurer or recruiter. And neither is the lady.

A simple quote of a sentence from any of the legally enforceable Codes or Acts clearly stating that what I described as being illegal, as clearly stated as everything else about those qualifiers is stated, would do it without going to the trouble of creating a whole new blog or forum here.

But, so far and after several years of this coming up in conversation, nobody has been able to produce and quote such a simple, uncomplicated, easily translatable sentence from the Codes and Acts.

Nor has any report of arrests being made of anyone anywhere in Thailand for the exact behavior I described ever been posted.

That moves the assessment of this mythical Thai law against the simple, discrete and private act of prostitution between consenting adults from "rarely" enforced to exactly "never" enforced. The only logical conclusion for which at this point being an obvious and very good one; it is not illegal in Thailand.

[QUOTE=MwenByen;2981074]Now perhaps things have changed in Thailand which I doubt it has the overwhelming majority of Thai bar girls was from Issan-North, North and Northeast Thailand those women were of mainly Laos and Cambodian descent. Thailand has 3 Cambodian speaking provinces there. They all share the same face thus I had to go by there accent, I lived in Buriram for 2 years and I was stopped by emigration police daily and to my surprise most spoke English![/QUOTE]There are some areas in Isaan where dialects of Cambodian are spoken in villages near the Cambodian border. The farther from the border, the fewer speak those dialects. The dialects are not easily understood by Cambodians from Phnom Penh.

But, ladies from that part of Isaan look the same as elsewhere in Isaan. Remember that everyone in Thailand spoke a Cambodian dialect back in the day, before the Thai people came down from China.

So, if you walk down Soi 6, you can't tell the difference between the ladies who can speak some Cambodian and the other ladies.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2981083]The Thai Penal Code and the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act are quite clear and "westernized"....[/QUOTE]Yes it is. As are other sections of the Thai Penal Code.

Title X, Offense Against Life and Body.

Section 288. Murder.

Whoever, murdering the other person, shall be imprisoned by death or imprisoned as from fifteen years to twenty years.

Section 289. Death Penalty.

Whoever commits murder on. (lists various situations- against an official in the exercise of his functions, etc.) shall be punished by death.

Section 290. Manslaughter.

Whoever, causes death to the other person by inflicting injury upon the body of such person without intent to cause death, shall be punished with imprisonment of three to fifteen years.

All seem pretty clear and "western" to me.

The notion that because some forms of prostitution are illegal all forms of it are illegal is nonsense. When driving a car in Thailand it is illegal to speed, drive drunk, drive on the sidewalk, drive without a license, etc. Some people would argue that because those prohibitions exist, driving a car in Thailand is illegal.

[QUOTE=PhilipMarlow;2981219]Yes it is. As are other sections of the Thai Penal Code.

Title X, Offense Against Life and Body.

Section 288. Murder.

Whoever, murdering the other person, shall be imprisoned by death or imprisoned as from fifteen years to twenty years.

Section 289. Death Penalty.

Whoever commits murder on. (lists various situations- against an official in the exercise of his functions, etc.) shall be punished by death.

Section 290. Manslaughter.

Whoever, causes death to the other person by inflicting injury upon the body of such person without intent to cause death, shall be punished with imprisonment of three to fifteen years.

All seem pretty clear and "western" to me.

The notion that because some forms of prostitution are illegal all forms of it are illegal is nonsense. When driving a car in Thailand it is illegal to speed, drive drunk, drive on the sidewalk, drive without a license, etc. Some people would argue that because those prohibitions exist, driving a car in Thailand is illegal.[/QUOTE]The problem that has always existed with this topic is when someone casually mentions in a post that "Prostitution is illegal in Thailand", what are those of us who know there is no such law in the Thai Penal Code, The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act nor any other Code or Act supposed to do or say about it on a by god sure enough International Sex Guide website like this one? Ignore it? Say nothing? Let it go unchallenged and unanswered?

Should everyone wait for at least a half dozen such assertions to be posted before somebody finally speaks up and asks for proof of the repeated assertion? It is not exactly a trivial point to make on this kind of website. And, who knows, maybe there has been a new law passed to that effect. So I think it is a good question to ask in response to the assertion. Again, hardly a trivial point on this particular website.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2981240]The problem that has always existed with this topic is when someone casually mentions in a post that "Prostitution is illegal in Thailand", what are those of us who know there is no such law in the Thai Penal Code, The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act nor any other Code or Act supposed to do or say about it on a by god sure enough International Sex Guide website like this one? Ignore it? Say nothing? Let it go unchallenged and unanswered?

Should everyone wait for at least a half dozen such assertions to be posted before somebody finally speaks up and asks for proof of the repeated assertion? It is not exactly a trivial point to make on this kind of website. And, who knows, maybe there has been a new law passed to that effect. So I think it is a good question to ask in response to the assertion. Again, hardly a trivial point on this particular website.[/QUOTE]In my former life I was a US government investigator. To make a long story short, as part of an investigation I was conducting, I asked a US Library of Congress lawyer (They are available to anyone inquiring. Look on their website.) if prostitution is illegal in Thailand. The lady, who has a law degree from a law university in Japan and a degree in International Law from Georgetown Law School, and who specialized in Japanese and Thai law, said that prostitution itself is not illegal. And she showed me why.

Of course anyone can say anything on the internet. So take it or leave it. But it is not illegal, no matter how many contortions people want to go through, or how many newspaper articles they want to cite or how many of their friends were busted or where they work or even how many cops say it is.

So argue all you guys want (not you, EihTooms) but I hope that eventually you will realize how silly you look when you keep insisting that prostitution itself is illegal, but you can't produce a single statute that definitively says it is. Because it doesn't exist. But as they say, never let the facts get in the way of a good argument.

[QUOTE=PhilipMarlow;2981299]In my former life I was a US government investigator. To make a long story short, as part of an investigation I was conducting, I asked a US Library of Congress lawyer (They are available to anyone inquiring. Look on their website.) if prostitution is illegal in Thailand. The lady, who has a law degree from a law university in Japan and a degree in International Law from Georgetown Law School, and who specialized in Japanese and Thai law, said that prostitution itself is not illegal. And she showed me why.

Of course anyone can say anything on the internet. So take it or leave it. But it is not illegal, no matter how many contortions people want to go through, or how many newspaper articles they want to cite or how many of their friends were busted or where they work or even how many cops say it is.

So argue all you guys want (not you, EihTooms) but I hope that eventually you will realize how silly you look when you keep insisting that prostitution itself is illegal, but you can't produce a single statute that definitively says it is. Because it doesn't exist. But as they say, never let the facts get in the way of a good argument.[/QUOTE]Considering how wide open prostitution is practiced in Thailand, whether it's legal or not is a moot point. Some estimates say as many as 2 million prostitutes in Thailand, that could be 20 million transactions per week. That's 52,000 gallons of semen per week. Apparently, nobody's enforcing the law if there is one.

Has anyone tried outcall massage in Pattaya? I am more into B2 B massage and BJ. Will appreciate if someone can help with outcall massage Spa with good lineup.

TIA.

[QUOTE=PhilipMarlow;2981299]......The lady, who has a law degree from a law university in Japan and a degree in International Law from Georgetown Law School, and who specialized in Japanese and Thai law, said that prostitution itself is not illegal. And she showed me why.......[/QUOTE]What did she show you?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2981300]Considering how wide open prostitution is practiced in Thailand, whether it's legal or not is a moot point. Some estimates say as many as 2 million prostitutes in Thailand, that could be 20 million transactions per week. That's 52,000 gallons of semen per week. Apparently, nobody's enforcing the law if there is one.[/QUOTE]Moot or not, it is somewhat amusing that those who claim it is illegal are not able to point out anywhere it says so in the law, or even point out a single prosecuted case. Not even a reported case, except where the alleged prostitution is just a byline to whatever it is someone is actually charged for, yet they keep yapping on about it.
Add to that if there actually was a law against it, how many thousand stories would we have heard of cops lining up potbellied farangs and their 'ho in tow for an easy shakedown? Not even during the occasional "clean up our image as the brothel of the world" periods.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2981381]What did she show you?[/QUOTE] The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act and the Entertainment Places Act. There may have been other resources she provided. It was a while ago. She explained using the relevant sections in the Acts how prostitution in itself is not illegal. That was enough for me.

I can't remember about the other act, but the Prevention and Suppression Act was nowhere to be found on the internet back then. The attorney found it in hard copy form in the LOC and faxed it. I contacted them only to see if they had a copy, and learned that they will assist with legal research.

Do we really need monthly debates about Thai prostitution law?

The chances of a monger being arrested in Thailand for prostitution are tiny, so there is no benefit from the discussion. Note: if someone were to be arrested for prostitution, it would be for an ancillary act, not prostitution itself.

You guys will argue this nonsense like you are defending your PhD thesis over and over again. Anyone wanting to read about Pattaya has to weed through all this crap. We have a chit chat thread for a reason. I dropped a little bomb in there for you guys and I hope it will help to move this topic onto the proper thread. That way the guys can actually use the Pattaya section for what it's meant for.

Anyways,

A Whirlwind Business Trip to Pattaya – With a Quick Stop at Cat Flaps.

Business in Pattaya usually means a change of scenery from the hustle of Bangkok, and this trip was no different. A last-minute meeting called me down to Pattaya, so made the two-hour dash to get things sorted. Quick meeting and business was wrapped up.

With a little time to spare before heading back, I decided to make a strategic two-hour pit stop at Cat Flaps, one of the more out of the way gentlemen's clubs in Pattaya. Located in Pratamanak. As expected, the place didn't disappoint. A relaxed atmosphere, friendly girls, and just enough mischief to make the brief stay worthwhile.

The setup was simple—bought a few drinks and enjoyed the company of two sexy girls. After 2 racks of tequila for each girl, behind the curtain we went. Then the aerobics began. Never realized how strong the tables were LOL. Took real advantage of the space in the big booth. Both ladies performed outstanding. 2500'Baht each and free curtains for me. Woo hoo.

One unexpected highlight. The free beef brisket. A generous perk that many clubs don't offer, and it was surprisingly awesome—tender, smoky, and packed with flavor. Nothing like a quality bite to go with a cold beer and good company.

Before I knew it, the clock was against me, and it was time to hit the road.

Sometimes, the best trips are the fast ones.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2981300]Considering how wide open prostitution is practiced in Thailand, whether it's legal or not is a moot point. Some estimates say as many as 2 million prostitutes in Thailand, that could be 20 million transactions per week. That's 52,000 gallons of semen per week. Apparently, nobody's enforcing the law if there is one.[/QUOTE]That is because prostitution laws really can not be enforced in a one on one situation. Can we assume that because someone is in a bar drinking with a chick wearing a bikini that prostitution is going on? Let half the people on here tell it, they get told no when trying to hire people as prostitutes in some of those cases.

I have never once had law enforcement overhear me making a deal with a prostitute in order for her or me to be "busted". In 99% of cases it is law enforcement parading as either side of the transaction in order to arrest someone on such charges. If law enforcement is not showing up as trying to buy sex from someone that may or may not be in the market to sell it or sell sex to someone that may or may not be in the market to buy it, then nobody would know the law had been broken. They have to develop a way to catch someone breaking or attempting to break said law, through what I do not understand is not viewed as entrapment.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2981428]Do we really need monthly debates about Thai prostitution law?

The chances of a monger being arrested in Thailand for prostitution are tiny, so there is no benefit from the discussion. Note: if someone were to be arrested for prostitution, it would be for an ancillary act, not prostitution itself.[/QUOTE]To add, if someone has ever been arrested or know someone who would have been factually arrested on the grounds of prostitution laws as a customer, would be interesting to see reports about the incidents. Exclude anything related to minors.

[QUOTE=Knobrm;2981557]To add, if someone has ever been arrested or know someone who would have been factually arrested on the grounds of prostitution laws as a customer, would be interesting to see reports about the incidents. Exclude anything related to minors.[/QUOTE]I vaguely remember a Thai lady arrested in a prostitution sting, just before Covid. The police set up a sting with a cooperating Farang as bait. When he was naked in a hot tub, the lady came into the hotel room, and the police arrested her.

It's possible that the arrest charges were ancillary charges, as has been explained here, something other than sex for money.

It's the only case I can remember, and even then, the charges may not have explicitly been prostitution.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2981447]You guys will argue this nonsense like you are defending your PhD thesis over and over again. [/QUOTE]From a guy who within the last few days wrote almost 1900 words defending his completely incorrect thesis. Such condescension.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2981569]I vaguely remember a Thai lady arrested in a prostitution sting, just before Covid. The police set up a sting with a cooperating Farang as bait. When he was naked in a hot tub, the lady came into the hotel room, and the police arrested her.

It's possible that the arrest charges were ancillary charges, as has been explained here, something other than sex for money.

It's the only case I can remember, and even then, the charges may not have explicitly been prostitution.[/QUOTE]So even in that case it was not the customer who was arrested rather supplier so does not count.

[QUOTE=Knobrm;2981633]So even in that case it was not the customer who was arrested rather supplier so does not count.[/QUOTE]In Thai culture, it's normal for a man to give cash to a lady. How the police could ever determine that a pair were prostitute and customer rather than some Farang with his girlfriend is a mystery to me. Even if the lady claimed the man was a customer, it might just be an angry girlfriend. Lots of work for the police for nothing.

I know going into a Gogo bar on Walking Street and trying to get a girls number is pretty most impossible, but has anyone tried to get her number after they short timed her so that they can avoid the bar fine on the 2nd session?

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2981651]In Thai culture, it's normal for a man to give cash to a lady. How the police could ever determine that a pair were prostitute and customer rather than some Farang with his girlfriend is a mystery to me. Even if the lady claimed the man was a customer, it might just be an angry girlfriend. Lots of work for the police for nothing.[/QUOTE]That's why I also think the whole discussion about this issue is a bit like arguing about what color of underwear god wears, and whether the claimed color is right or wrong.

Having said that, would be interesting to hear details of a case where someone would have been arrested with some real legal consequencies based on being a customer of a hooker if such indeed has ever happened. If such happens, I bet there would be something else behind the case, using the prostitution laws as a pretext to cause trouble for someone. Many things the same here, take corruption as example: it is illegal, but to get burnt on it means you must have stepped on someone's toes or otherwise violated unwritten rules, and you being corrupt just like everyone else just is used to take you down due to something else had happened. Or the way progressive political parties are taken down whenever they become a threat. TIT.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2981651]In Thai culture, it's normal for a man to give cash to a lady. How the police could ever determine that a pair were prostitute and customer rather than some Farang with his girlfriend is a mystery to me. Even if the lady claimed the man was a customer, it might just be an angry girlfriend. Lots of work for the police for nothing.[/QUOTE]There is no way the Thai government has ever or will ever pass a law that makes it a crime for uneducated single mothers from the provinces to earn more than an average week's pay in 2-3 hours' time while grandma or auntie watches the kids in order to feed and clothe the family, school her kids, buy the medicine, etc as long as nobody is being forced to do it, everyone is of legal age and it isn't being openly and shamefully flaunted so as to disturb the peace or make a public nuisance.

And even then it will be a bust and charge for the force, age or disturbance of the peace part of it, not for the exchange of money for sex part of it. As is clearly stated in every Code and Act anybody has ever linked or posted here.

That hasn't happened and it ain't going to happen.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2981666]I know going into a Gogo bar on Walking Street and trying to get a girls number is pretty most impossible, but has anyone tried to get her number after they short timed her so that they can avoid the bar fine on the 2nd session?[/QUOTE]Yes, most will be happy to set up a Line contact with you, many will offer it before you ask.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2981666]I know going into a Gogo bar on Walking Street and trying to get a girls number is pretty most impossible, [/QUOTE]Why do you think it is impossible? I have done it plenty of times. They do not need their phone out in order to tell you what their number or ID is.

[QUOTE=Knobrm;2981758]would be interesting to hear details of a case where someone would have been arrested with some real legal consequencies based on being a customer of a hooker[/QUOTE]You are opening a different can of worms here. Nobody has ever argued whether soliciting a prostitute is legal or illegal. So far the argument has only been about if being a prostitute is legal or not.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2981666]I know going into a Gogo bar on Walking Street and trying to get a girls number is pretty most impossible, but has anyone tried to get her number after they short timed her so that they can avoid the bar fine on the 2nd session?[/QUOTE]Yes, they are happy to give it to you. The problem may be getting them to actually come see you. They often see you are an opportunity and will ask you to come into the bar and get them or bar fine them during their shift. I have found it takes a personal connection for them to see me without having to bar fine them.

[QUOTE=PhilipMarlow;2981601]From a guy who within the last few days wrote almost 1900 words defending his completely incorrect thesis. Such condescension.[/QUOTE]You actually counted his words?

I usually bypass his wordy lengthy posts.

Quoted by very attractive soi6 girl last night. 2,000 plus 400. I really don't know what the Uglies charge to be honest. Meaning how low they will go.

Hi dudes,

Not the first time in pattaya.

Visiting next month again.

I want to explore BJ bars this time.

Could you share few BJ bar names worth visit?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2981764]while grandma or auntie watches the kids in order to feed and clothe the family, school her kids, buy the medicine, etc )[/QUOTE]I was fucking with a chick the other night about having my baby. She asked who is going to take care of it. I said shit we are the parents, who else is supposed to take care of it?

[QUOTE=Jarango;2981664][URL]https://www.pattayamail.com/news/pattaya-sees-strong-growth-in-international-tourism-but-faces-challenges-with-indian-tourists-on-beaches-489870[/URL]

While Indian tourism has been a crucial factor in Pattaya's growth, it has also led to some challenges. Reports of Indian tourists sleeping on the city's popular beaches have sparked concern among both locals and visitors. While these tourists contribute positively to the local economy through spending on food, accommodations, and entertainment, their presence on beaches, especially overnight, raises concerns over cleanliness, overcrowding, and the need for better management of public spaces. The influx of large groups seeking a place to rest or sleep on the beach, often in a manner that lacks respect for local regulations, can disrupt the tranquil environment that many other visitors seek.[/QUOTE]Case in point. This girl Janny looks like she is making fun of us Poonjabbers in her video. But actually, it's her favorite race of customers. I have had experience with her at a shared price with other bros at 500 per. She hangs out at Indian clubs on WS for Shiva sake! When they tell you the Thai National Emblem, Krut, is from India, they mean it. Pure domination by the Brown. The best night clubs belong to the Indians. All the American rappers make songs with Punjabi MC background. You may be lucky to find her at 808 but only after 2 am. Big Brown first choice before all others. Because once you go Brown, it all goes down (pause) hill. LOL.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH9SS_CwOrQ&t=354s[/URL]

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2981936]You actually counted his words?

I usually bypass his wordy lengthy posts.[/QUOTE]Openoffice did. Yeah, I do too.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2981772]You are opening a different can of worms here. Nobody has ever argued whether soliciting a prostitute is legal or illegal. So far the argument has only been about if being a prostitute is legal or not.[/QUOTE]Yeah you are right, my bad, was thinking too far.

But what I said about patrons, applies to hookers as well. Hard to see any problems beyond random publicity campaigns to clean Beach Road and small fine for loitering there without some other real reason being behind and using prostitution as pretext to cause trouble. About same as arguing about whether it is illegal for a god to wear red underwear or not, and if so would god get punished in case of using red ones.

[QUOTE=Knobrm;2982186]Yeah you are right, my bad, was thinking too far.

But what I said about patrons, applies to hookers as well. Hard to see any problems beyond random publicity campaigns to clean Beach Road and small fine for loitering there without some other real reason being behind and using prostitution as pretext to cause trouble. About same as arguing about whether it is illegal for a god to wear red underwear or not, and if so would god get punished in case of using red ones.[/QUOTE]Of course, nothing here is life or death, and a lot of it is frivolous, so where's the harm is arguing about whether prostitution is legal or not? Periodically, for whatever reason, a patron will proclaim, without any citation, that "prostitution is illegal in Thailand. " And those of us who have done some actual legal research, or read relevant articles, will gently correct those wayward punters. Others will get their panties in a twist about the correction, but it's all in good fun. Except for some.

Check out some of SubCmd's posts. He recently gave quite a list of places specifically for this. I have the same desire and will be checking a few out next month. Good luck and post a review when you find one.

[QUOTE=PhilipMarlow;2982221]Of course, nothing here is life or death, and a lot of it is frivolous, so where's the harm is arguing about whether prostitution is legal or not? Periodically, for whatever reason, a patron will proclaim, without any citation, that "prostitution is illegal in Thailand. " And those of us who have done some actual legal research, or read relevant articles, will gently correct those wayward punters. Others will get their panties in a twist about the correction, but it's all in good fun. Except for some.[/QUOTE]Well, no harm as long as it won't lead to pointless blaming or flame wars that online arguments easily lead to. Maybe should move to some general Thai thread though.

BTW was there a final verdict about the topic, or still two camps without agreement? Kinda curious whether or not, among other violations of pointless laws that have zero enforcement and thus without any practical worries about my illegal acts, I will continue breaking the law when ladies come by and I give them baht when they leave.

Anyway, talking about legal issues, another potential legal concern for mongers (at least in theory) is fucking a married lady and getting caught by husband. I recall reading somewhere that according to Thai law that is not only a valid reason for unvoluntary (on wife's side) divorce, but in addition in such case the husband could also sue the punter for damages. No idea what the level of compensation could be (average ST rate in town per estimated fuck multiplied by number of shots?), and whether there is any real case that something like this would have ever happened, especially among Patttaya hookers. Anyway, few girls around who are technically married, I also have one among my regulars.

[QUOTE=PhilipMarlow;2982221]Of course, nothing here is life or death, and a lot of it is frivolous, so where's the harm is arguing about whether prostitution is legal or not? Periodically, for whatever reason, a patron will proclaim, without any citation, that "prostitution is illegal in Thailand.[/QUOTE]I just asked my girlfriend and she said it is legal as long as the lady is at least 20 years old.

She knows of a case where a guy was walking with a chick and the police stopped him and asked how old she was. She was 18. The police wanted to know what bar he got her from. They went and arrested the owner and the owner and the guy with the girl had to pay.

[QUOTE=Knobrm;2982239]Well, no harm as long as it won't lead to pointless blaming or flame wars that online arguments easily lead to. Maybe should move to some general Thai thread though.

BTW was there a final verdict about the topic, or still two camps without agreement? Kinda curious whether or not, among other violations of pointless laws that have zero enforcement and thus without any practical worries about my illegal acts, I will continue breaking the law when ladies come by and I give them baht when they leave.

Anyway, talking about legal issues, another potential legal concern for mongers (at least in theory) is fucking a married lady and getting caught by husband.[/QUOTE]There is not one enforceable Thai Penal Code section nor any statement in the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act that states that the act of exchanging money for sex, Prostitution, is "illegal" in private and between consenting adults in Thailand. None. Nor has there ever been one.

That is why the "just trust us, it is illegal" crowd have never been able to quote or link to one.

Nor has anyone in the history of Thailand ever been arrested, charged, convicted and / or sentenced for that exact behavior. Not one. And for a very good reason; Thai culture and society would never tolerate such a law being put on the books. Only for tangential behaviors related to prostitution that are clearly spelled out and described in the Code and Act that every punter and prostitute can easily avoid by simply being mindful not to shout negotiations for it from one side of the soi to another, don't flaunt or advertise the behavior openly and shamefully in public, do confine it to consenting adults and a maybe couple of other small details that the customer is rarely if ever at risk of "committing" anyway; visa, work permit, loitering or creating a public nuisance issues and such.

But we are still open to read and evaluate any quote or link from any legally enforceable Code, Act or Edict that shows it is illegal. However, as of this moment nobody has ever produced and posted one.

[QUOTE=PhilipMarlow;2981601]From a guy who within the last few days wrote almost 1900 words defending his completely incorrect thesis. Such condescension.[/QUOTE]I was not going to comment but alas, the Pattaya thread is pretty much gone now so I guess it does not matter. On ISG it takes a thick skin sometimes to post here. Fire of all, your words of praise on some of my mongering posts. Thanks for that. Im glad you find them useful. That is really what this forum is about. However, when the topic switches to the legalities of prostitution, you become so sensitive and stand-off ish. Yes I posted 1 large post on the topic. I did it in the chats thread though and you got so triggered about me saying the topic does not belong in the Pattaya threads. Here is some friendly advice.

You should be able to have an online debate without getting triggered. For example, it's very clear to me that Tooms and I don't share the same opinion on this topic. But at the end of the day we debate about the topic without creating a flame war. Then we move on and continue to be civil to each other. This is what long term senior members of the forum should do. Same as Allover and I. Even Explorer and I. We don't hold grudges. Mr. E as well. As for some of the others in the rants thread, they are not on the same level as Allover, Explorer, MR. E, Sub, Goats, Fernando Alongso and a few others. These are the real OG vets who are the reason this forum exists.

Also dont take the rants thread seriously at all. Its just a shit show and thats it. Everything said there you can take it with a grain of salt.

Take care.

Oh and By the way. The incorrect thesis you refer to comes from true knowledge and dare I say experience in the Thai legal system. How can I say this? Because it’s my job lol. Not in the US, but in Thailand. I’m happy to discuss it with you over a beer anytime you are back in Thailand.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2982295].......On ISG it takes a thick skin sometimes to post here.......[/QUOTE]It takes a thick skin to post pics as there are guys who want us to think that they bang really hot girls. You could cut and paste a photo of Panida Khueanjinda saying you banged her and they will say she's ugly LOL.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2982321]It takes a thick skin to post pics as there are guys who want us to think that they bang really hot girls. You could cut and paste a photo of Panida Khueanjinda saying you banged her and they will say she's ugly LOL.[/QUOTE]The only people that comment on pictures of others: 1. Don't post pictures themselves. 2. They are not fucking so they are jealous.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2982321]It takes a thick skin to post pics as there are guys who want us to think that they bang really hot girls. You could cut and paste a photo of Panida Khueanjinda saying you banged her and they will say she's ugly LOL.[/QUOTE]Does not surprise me. We have posters that say I go with ugly girls just because I happen to report on the price I actually pay to fuck Thai girls.

[QUOTE=Knobrm;2982239]Well, no harm as long as it won't lead to pointless blaming or flame wars that online arguments easily lead to. Maybe should move to some general Thai thread though.

BTW was there a final verdict about the topic, or still two camps without agreement? Kinda curious whether or not, among other violations of pointless laws that have zero enforcement and thus without any practical worries about my illegal acts, I will continue breaking the law when ladies come by and I give them baht when they leave.

Anyway, talking about legal issues, another potential legal concern for mongers (at least in theory) is fucking a married lady and getting caught by husband. I recall reading somewhere that according to Thai law that is not only a valid reason for unvoluntary (on wife's side) divorce, but in addition in such case the husband could also sue the punter for damages. No idea what the level of compensation could be (average ST rate in town per estimated fuck multiplied by number of shots?), and whether there is any real case that something like this would have ever happened, especially among Patttaya hookers. Anyway, few girls around who are technically married, I also have one among my regulars.[/QUOTE]There are not many here who engage in pointless blaming and start and fan flame wars, and I'm not responsible for what others do. As long as I don't engage in them I'm good.

Well, the answer has been clear for some time, but some refuse to let it go. They keep doubling down. You're not violating the law when your ladies come by and you compensate them when they leave. I like discussions / arguments like these, as long as they're civil. I try to not read what those who aren't civil write.

That is an interesting law. Yeah, how do they fix the level of compensation. Hahaha, your way seems to be as good as any other. It seems that in other violations of the law in Thailand, compensation from the perpetrator to the victim or victim's family is common. I wonder how they are calculated.

A related law in the Philippines says that if a spouse catches their spouse in bed with another person, and if the first spouse kills or seriously injures one or both, all he will suffer is being banished from where he lives. If the damage is less than serious, there is no penalty.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2982285]There is not one enforceable Thai Penal Code section nor any statement in the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act that states that the act of exchanging money for sex, Prostitution, is "illegal" in private and between consenting adults in Thailand. None. Nor has there ever been one....

[/QUOTE]Thank you. A very well written post.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2982278]I just asked my girlfriend and she said it is legal as long as the lady is at least 20 years old.

She knows of a case where a guy was walking with a chick and the police stopped him and asked how old she was. She was 18. The police wanted to know what bar he got her from. They went and arrested the owner and the owner and the guy with the girl had to pay.[/QUOTE]Interesting. Unless your girlfriend got the cited ages wrong, misremembered it or it had more to do with age limits related to working or just being in a bar, there is nothing in the Thai Penal Code, see Title IX in the link below, or in the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act, see further link below, that sets age 20 as anything different from "not yet over eighteen years of age".

[URL]https://www.thailandlawonline.com/table-of-contents/criminal-law-translation-thailand-penal-code[/URL]

It turns out that some law firms, opinion pieces and other sources with an agenda or incentive to convince everyone that consenting adults engaging in a discrete act of exchanging sex for money is illegal in Thailand tend to add a creative spin on the actual wording or, worse, omit critical wording, in the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act in order to create that false impression.

That is particularly so on the issue of Section 5 in the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act, which comes closer to almost, kind of, sort of suggesting that it is illegal than anything else in the Act or the Thai Penal Code.

However, even in that case and with a maximum penalty for it being a silly 1,000 baht fine and only for the prostitute, it still doesn't quite get there in the actual wording of it:

[URL]http://www.dwf.go.th/uploads/Downloads/2b8e484a-1e24-4a1f-bd1e-cda334334b77Prevention%20and%20Suppression%20of%20Prostitution%20Act%20BE%202539.pdf[/URL]

[QUOTE][b]Section 5.[/b] Any person who, for the purpose of prostitution, solicits, induces, introduces herself or himself to, follows or implores a person in a street or a public place, or commit such acts in any other place, in an open and shameful manner or causes nuisance to the public, shall be liable to a fine not exceeding one thousand baht. [/QUOTE][B]"In an open and shameful manner or causes nuisance to the public"[/B] being the quite clear and specific critical qualifier for the entire Section 5 that those with an agenda invariably omit.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2982278]I just asked my girlfriend and she said it is legal as long as the lady is at least 20 years old.[/QUOTE]I hope that I am not going to start another dumb argument about what's legal and not legal.

The legal age is 18 and I have been hearing that from bar owners who work hard to ensure that none are underage. None of them are willing to risk the heavy consequences of that. They also comment that it's strange that a girl can work in a bar but cannot drink alcohol until the age of 20. Finally, most hotels will impose a house rule limiting girls to over 20 but it's not the law. The drinking law and hotel rules may be the reason your girlfriend thinks it's 20 for everything.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2982527]The drinking law and hotel rules may be the reason your girlfriend thinks it's 20 for everything.[/QUOTE]Drinking law and hotel rules? She is not hanging out drinking nor in and out of hotels. She is just a regular Thai person. But okay, you think she is confused about the laws of her own country. Thai people don't know shit about Thailand.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2981772]You are opening a different can of worms here. Nobody has ever argued whether soliciting a prostitute is legal or illegal. So far the argument has only been about if being a prostitute is legal or not.[/QUOTE]Hmm. I think the "trust us, it is illegal / not legal / a crime" crowd has been arguing that soliciting for the purposes of prostitution is illegal / not legal / a crime. As in "you could get arrested, charged, convicted, substantially sentenced and fined for it but that law is rarely enforced".

Isn't that what you have been seeing as their position?

But they have not been able to produce a quote or a link from a legally enforceable Penal Code, Act or Edict to support that argument.

And if they had ever been arguing that "being a prostitute is illegal", then they are really fighting a losing battle. The Thai Penal Code and / or The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act is clear about it being illegal for anyone over the age of 16 to live off the money a prostitute earns UNLESS the prostitute is responsible for supporting such a person.

Which makes it blatantly obvious that, as far as the Thai government is concerned:

1. It is fine and dandy to BE a prostitute.

2. It is fine and dandy to EARN MONEY as a prostitute.

3. In fact, we, the Thai Government, want to make sure YOU, the prostitute, gets to keep and spend all the money you earn and aren't getting ripped off by some lazy freeloader or "manager" who isn't doing the fucking and sucking.

4. In further fact, we, the Thai Government, are so supportive of the idea of you BEING a prostitute and EARNING MONEY as a prostitute, we have actually and literally memorialized the concept officially in the Thai Penal Code and The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act by literally spelling out that you can spend the money you earn by fucking and sucking on anyone in your charge for which you are responsible for their survival or livelihood. Knock yourself out. No problem. We're fine with that.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2982527]I hope that I am not going to start another dumb argument about what's legal and not legal.

The legal age is 18 and I have been hearing that from bar owners who work hard to ensure that none are underage. None of them are willing to risk the heavy consequences of that. They also comment that it's strange that a girl can work in a bar but cannot drink alcohol until the age of 20. Finally, most hotels will impose a house rule limiting girls to over 20 but it's not the law. The drinking law and hotel rules may be the reason your girlfriend thinks it's 20 for everything.[/QUOTE]Unlike that other debate, this is more interesting. I too have heard many references to 20 as being the legal age for p4p, or perhaps, the "not illegal age", though none of those I've heard it from are legal scholars.

For what it's worth, the now apparently defunct fiwfans site, which was a p4p site for thais, only let you search for girls from 20 and up. Not 18 and up. I'm thinking there was probably a reason for that. I also remember reading reports here from guys denied entry in the hotel to their p4p-girl because she was only 18 or 19.

Just arrived at this pink baby agogo 15 minutes ago. Had a drink with a beautiful young lady probably 22.7/10. Asked about st rooms and 700 fee for room 3000 baht for the girl. Expensive but all ago go are about the same. Maybe 10 girls here and 50 percent are at least 6 or 7 going to an 8. Bodies are fucking smoking.

Legal age is 18 but if the girl is 18 to 20 the parents can come after you. Just telling you what my girl told me yesterday.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2982533]Drinking law and hotel rules? She is not hanging out drinking nor in and out of hotels. She is just a regular Thai person. But okay, you think she is confused about the laws of her own country. Thai people don't know shit about Thailand.[/QUOTE]Well, unless she has read Title IX of the Thai Penal Code and The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act, how would she know what the law really says about prostitution in Thailand? How would anyone know? Do they cover that topic in detail in school here?

There are highly motivated researchers here on this website who read that Title and those Sections and still get it wrong. Cops certainly can't be relied upon to get it right, no more than I know for a fact how often they get it wrong about Rules of the Road for bicycles. At least, not as far as responding to a civilian's question about it goes.

If these laws are not available for review, and I assure you I have tried to review everything written by the Thai Authorities on the topic, yet they are keeping that "age 20" qualifier and big secret except to inform only cops and bar-owners about it, then that kind of turns the whole concept of "ignorance of the law is no excuse" on its head; there is no way for any of us to know the law.

At this point, I have no idea where the cops and bar owner got that "age 20" qualifier regarding prostitution into their minds enough to expect anyone to pay a fine for violating it. It sure isn't mentioned in the Thai Penal Code or The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act. Not in any version of it I have read or seen quoted from.

Can your girlfriend enlighten us on where she read it? Or was it just because that was what the cops told the bar owner and the prostitute so they would pay them a fine on the spot?

BTW, does she know how much the fine for that was?

Was it the same silly fine "not exceeding 1,000 baht" a prostitute supposedly has to pay if she "solicits, induces, introduces herself or himself to, follows or implores a person in a street or a public place, or commit such acts in any other place, [B]in an open and shameful manner or causes nuisance to the public"[/B], as cited in Section 5 of The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act?

Which means it could be as low as 200 baht. Or less.

And which also begs the hypothetical question, IF there was a law or rule in the Act making it illegal to solicit for the purposes of prostitution in a "quiet and discrete manner so as to cause zero public nuisance", which there is NO such law in the Code or the Act, but somehow and in someway it was overheard by a cop anyway, how silly small would the fine be then?

"not exceeding 100 baht"? Which means it could be as low as 10 baht? LOL.

Fellas, help these girls out. Always keep some loose change in your pocket to gallantly pay the fine for them if Thailand should ever happen to pass a law making that aspect of Prostitution illegal and the lady gets busted by an ambitious cop or two for being overheard soliciting you for it "quietly and discretely". LOL.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2982558]Unlike that other debate, this is more interesting. I too have heard many references to 20 as being the legal age for p4p, or perhaps, the "not illegal age", though none of those I've heard it from are legal scholars.

For what it's worth, the now apparently defunct fiwfans site, which was a p4p site for thais, only let you search for girls from 20 and up. Not 18 and up. I'm thinking there was probably a reason for that. I also remember reading reports here from guys denied entry in the hotel to their p4p-girl because she was only 18 or 19.[/QUOTE]Oh, then that may be why Nataree got closed down. I met girls there who told me they were 18/19.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2982611]Oh, then that may be why Nataree got closed down. I met girls there who told me they were 18/19.[/QUOTE]Nataree got closed down because of less than 18 I think. Some shops have girls below 20 working (18 or 19), sometimes listed on their webpages also I think. That's why I'm not sure what the age limit is, though most seem to think it is 20, or prefer to err on that side.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2982614]Nataree got closed down because of less than 18 I think. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Turgid;2982611]Oh, then that may be why Nataree got closed down. I met girls there who told me they were 18/19.[/QUOTE]I can confirm this. Nataree most definitely had <18 year old girls available towards the back end of their large sitting area. Not a lot, but always a few. Dumb move!

[QUOTE=Knobrm;2982239]Anyway, talking about legal issues, another potential legal concern for mongers (at least in theory) is fucking a married lady and getting caught by husband. I recall reading somewhere that according to Thai law that is not only a valid reason for unvoluntary (on wife's side) divorce, but in addition in such case the husband could also sue the punter for damages. No idea what the level of compensation could be (average ST rate in town per estimated fuck multiplied by number of shots?), and whether there is any real case that something like this would have ever happened, especially among Patttaya hookers. Anyway, few girls around who are technically married, I also have one among my regulars.[/QUOTE]In theory, this is possible.

In practice, no legal action would ever occur. As mentioned above, few bargirls are legally married. Moreover, since most bargirls support their husbands, if there were a trial, the bargirl could testify how much money she gave the husband from her customers. Big loss of face for the husband, and should effectively end the case. However, Farangs almost always lose court cases, on the basis of there would be no court case if the Farang had never come to Thailand.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2982635]Moreover, since most bargirls support their husbands, if there were a trial, the bargirl could testify how much money she gave the husband from her customers. Big loss of face for the husband, and should effectively end the case. [/QUOTE]How would this be a big loss of face if you claim everyone is doing it? And I would assume that if you know that everyone is doing it, then everyone else (Thai people around them) already knows that everyone is doing it.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2982635]However, Farangs almost always lose court cases, on the basis of there would be no court case if the Farang had never come to Thailand.[/QUOTE]That is definitely true.

So in passing convo a Walk Avenue bargirl asked if I finished when I barfined a soi 6 girl. I thought nothing of it. Just strange.

A week later I barfined the Ave girl at barfine rate of 2 k to bar. It turns out most of her customers are Matur Asian s who take Viagara. Hahaha. They can get hard and penetrative but just can't Finish.

Now I understand WHY she asked if I finished with Soi 6 girl.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2982694]How would this be a big loss of face if you claim everyone is doing it? And I would assume that if you know that everyone is doing it, then everyone else (Thai people around them) already knows that everyone is doing it.

[/QUOTE]As long as illicit activity is on the QT, there is no loss of face.

Bar girls who have Thai husbands or boyfriends try to hide them. I know one bar girl with a Thai boyfriend for 6 years and has never shown him on Facebook.

It's like the police in Pattaya claiming there is no prostitution.

[QUOTE=UnkSoldier;2982592]Just arrived at this pink baby agogo 15 minutes ago. Had a drink with a beautiful young lady probably 22.7/10. Asked about st rooms and 700 fee for room 3000 baht for the girl. Expensive but all ago go are about the same. Maybe 10 girls here and 50 percent are at least 6 or 7 going to an 8. Bodies are fucking smoking.[/QUOTE]I agree. The girls in pink baby can easily work in a walking street gogo which is why I'm confused about what's it doing in soi boomerang.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2982843]There were different rates for different groups of girls. When I was there in 2015 the most expensive girls were at the furthest end from where you entered. For me these girls were really the hottest but if I recall correctly there were really young girls in other groups who were clearly below 18. This was by far my favorite place as they always had really stunning girls. Kept me in Bangkok. Will be venturing in Pattaya when I visit Thailand later this year.[/QUOTE]I liked Nataree too. They not only had plenty lookers, but most importantly, their girls were always super friendly to one and all. It occupied a great niche in the BKK girly marketplace. I rated it higher quantity & quality than most oilies and less luxurious & opulent (meaning less expensive) than my favorite high end soapies. It WAS a great place!

Can mongers who have been with many thai friendly freelancers answer my question. Sorry if they are too long and sound silly. I just heard some people say good things about it so I'm curious.

I get that every girl is different, but in general, how's the service and quality?

Do they look pretty close to what they look like in their pictures, or is there a big difference?

When it comes to age, is what they mention close to reality, or is there usually a noticeable gap?

Do they take their time and provide a proper GFE, or do most of them rush through it? Also, during the session, do they stay present, or are they constantly checking their phone or watching the clock?

Do they maintain good hygiene, put effort into their appearance, and dress decently, or do they just show up in whatever they're wearing?

And when it comes to the experience itself, are they mostly vanilla, or are they open to kinks and a wilder side of things?

I'd really appreciate if mongers who have a lot of experience with thai friendly girls can answer.

I would say very reliable. I called in two from Thai friendly last month and both showed up and they looked darn close in their photos.

[QUOTE=OldJack;2983257]Can mongers who have been with many thai friendly freelancers answer my question. Sorry if they are too long and sound silly. I just heard some people say good things about it so I'm curious.

I get that every girl is different, but in general, how's the service and quality?

Do they look pretty close to what they look like in their pictures, or is there a big difference?

When it comes to age, is what they mention close to reality, or is there usually a noticeable gap?

Do they take their time and provide a proper GFE, or do most of them rush through it? Also, during the session, do they stay present, or are they constantly checking their phone or watching the clock?

Do they maintain good hygiene, put effort into their appearance, and dress decently, or do they just show up in whatever they're wearing?

And when it comes to the experience itself, are they mostly vanilla, or are they open to kinks and a wilder side of things?

I'd really appreciate if mongers who have a lot of experience with thai friendly girls can answer.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldJack;2983257]I get that every girl is different, but in general, how's the service and quality?[/QUOTE]Looks like you had already answered your own question. It is like if you switched out girl and said restaurant. What would you expect the answer to be? How is the service and quality of restaurants in Bangkok? All I can say is that I have been on Thai Friendly for 18 years and I am not a guy who just throws money around or away.

Was in Pattaya last month (after like 6 years).

Indian population in Walking Street is like 80% or more. The 5 Indian clubs were packed. Indians have a wide spectrum of economic status and it was visible in the club. While lot of desis were just hanging around, there were quite a few that had their tables booked and had pulled in some serious eye candy girls. Indian spend power is super visible in these clubs and clearly there are loads of Thai girls and the russian (white variety).

Soi 6 - just too many out there. They were generally more calling out non-Indians but again the sheer size of Indian crowd everywhere don't think gives the thai girls to be choosy. Baht is a baht and I don't think the girls care who it comes from.

I didn't bother to even go into non-Indian friendly clubs listed here as why waste my time and money. Thai friendly was super easy and pricing was 1. 5 K baht short time. Within 30 minutes of activating TF on a week trial, I had one taking grab to meet me in my room. Darn that was so freaking easy. Service was pretty decent with GFE and both girls I had entertained talked English pretty decently.

Hilton Pattaya rooftop bar is pretty awesome and I chilled there for an evening.

Overall not a decent one. However, I did love my stay in BKK much better.

Kris.

[QUOTE=OldJack;2983257]Can mongers who have been with many thai friendly freelancers answer my question. Sorry if they are too long and sound silly. I just heard some people say good things about it so I'm curious.

I get that every girl is different, but in general, how's the service and quality?

Do they look pretty close to what they look like in their pictures, or is there a big difference?

When it comes to age, is what they mention close to reality, or is there usually a noticeable gap?

Do they take their time and provide a proper GFE, or do most of them rush through it? Also, during the session, do they stay present, or are they constantly checking their phone or watching the clock?

Do they maintain good hygiene, put effort into their appearance, and dress decently, or do they just show up in whatever they're wearing?

And when it comes to the experience itself, are they mostly vanilla, or are they open to kinks and a wilder side of things?

I'd really appreciate if mongers who have a lot of experience with thai friendly girls can answer.[/QUOTE]As a fellow Punjab, you should know the path to discovery of TF must be that of your own. The journey of others is just that. Journey of others. Bro, there is a thing called rite of passage. You think people on here write about disaster stories of elbeees showing up or women with facial hair and getting duped? Plan for the worse. All I can tell you as your Prince is that you need to buy these towels and cut holes in them as I do. It's called YMMV. LOL.

[QUOTE=OldJack;2983257]Can mongers who have been with many thai friendly freelancers answer my question. Sorry if they are too long and sound silly. I just heard some people say good things about it so I'm curious.

I get that every girl is different, but in general, how's the service and quality?

Do they look pretty close to what they look like in their pictures, or is there a big difference?

When it comes to age, is what they mention close to reality, or is there usually a noticeable gap?

Do they take their time and provide a proper GFE, or do most of them rush through it? Also, during the session, do they stay present, or are they constantly checking their phone or watching the clock?

Do they maintain good hygiene, put effort into their appearance, and dress decently, or do they just show up in whatever they're wearing?

And when it comes to the experience itself, are they mostly vanilla, or are they open to kinks and a wilder side of things?

I'd really appreciate if mongers who have a lot of experience with thai friendly girls can answer.[/QUOTE]There is really no answer to that, TF is not like a bar, it has absolutely no control of who advertises in there. The best you can hope for is a verified photo.

If all these things make you worry, then I suggest not going blind and sticking to the ones that you can check reports from other guys.

You might always find hidden gems if you want to try random ones without reports, but be mentally prepared to be disappointed and to lose time and money because many of them are terrible at showing up at the agreed time. The lack of any information in their profile doesn't help also, they usually leave it blank.

In other words, you might get a pretty 20 year old BBFS for 1200 baht that looks as good as the photos, but you might also get a skanky 40 yo+ that advertises as a 29 yo with a decade old photos and will rush you to cum after 5 minutes fucking.

There are extensive writings about [U]Thai Friendly[/U] by many different knowledgeable and experienced posters. For me is money. Like when you are on the basketball court and get open on your spot and your teammate feeds you the ball: [B]money![/B]!

I don't know what else to say about it. Each experience with each freelancer off of [U]Thai Friendly[/U] will be different. Just like any venue in Pattaya or greater Thailand. There are big differences between Thai Friendly in Pattaya, Cockbang, and the rest of Thailand.

It pays to read the forum (that is putting it nicely)! Then come to Thailand and meet up with girls off of [U]Thai Friendly[/U] and tell us how was it. Do not be that guy who studies how to hit the 100 MPH fastball, but never steps into the batters box to find out if he can actually hit it in real life.

[QUOTE=OldJack;2983257]Can mongers who have been with many thai friendly freelancers answer my question. Sorry if they are too long and sound silly. I just heard some people say good things about it so I'm curious.

I get that every girl is different, but in general, how's the service and quality?

Do they look pretty close to what they look like in their pictures, or is there a big difference?

When it comes to age, is what they mention close to reality, or is there usually a noticeable gap?

Do they take their time and provide a proper GFE, or do most of them rush through it? Also, during the session, do they stay present, or are they constantly checking their phone or watching the clock?

Do they maintain good hygiene, put effort into their appearance, and dress decently, or do they just show up in whatever they're wearing?

And when it comes to the experience itself, are they mostly vanilla, or are they open to kinks and a wilder side of things?

I'd really appreciate if mongers who have a lot of experience with thai friendly girls can answer.[/QUOTE]Like most of us, they work for money. Work should pay enough & be okay, sometimes fun, sometimes less. Most freelancers are great, resemble their picture, speak some English or very good, depending on their background. They are GFE by default. They may tweak their age etc somwhat, as every does on social media. Blatant lies you will not encounter as there is not much money to earn from a angry prospect. Whether they use their phone is a combination of the chemistry, the entertainment you provide, her age, mood etc. All of us have good and bad days, but you pay and expect a good service. That said, you have to be a good customer as well.

I ran into ladies that had regular office jobs but a couple of Farangs are enough to buy a scooter, to cover the mortgage etc. I also met girls that are street walkers that use multiple channels to attract customers.

They make the most of you when you hook up for some evenings as it pays more, they know what you like to do, whilst the sex works does not change. They will be friendly as a returning customer is much more lucrative than chasing new customers. The same goes for the time you book and you get.

The sex is good but you have to let them know upfront if you want special stuff, as with any girl anywhere.

If a girl comes to meet you, she will be groomed, clean etc. Also, showers can be used after a night of dancing & drinking to clean up for the next phase.

I have kinks, and I put some pictures on my phone to show what I like. It will cost me some more but that is better than a lady that says No in the bedroom. The same for the chat in TF (actually they use Line). Sometimes, I am looking for a good time, sometimes for hardcore adult entertainment.

There are providers for every wish but you must be clear what that wish is and be willing to pay for it.

Also, these are humans, just like you. They respond to friendliness, attentiveness, money, promises, humor and hygiene. This sounds basic but it makes the biggest difference in how they perceive a customer that uses his money to ram his dick in.

[QUOTE=OldJack;2983257]Can mongers who have been with many thai friendly freelancers answer my question. Sorry if they are too long and sound silly. I just heard some people say good things about it so I'm curious.

I get that every girl is different, but in general, how's the service and quality?

Do they look pretty close to what they look like in their pictures, or is there a big difference?

When it comes to age, is what they mention close to reality, or is there usually a noticeable gap?

Do they take their time and provide a proper GFE, or do most of them rush through it? Also, during the session, do they stay present, or are they constantly checking their phone or watching the clock?

Do they maintain good hygiene, put effort into their appearance, and dress decently, or do they just show up in whatever they're wearing?

And when it comes to the experience itself, are they mostly vanilla, or are they open to kinks and a wilder side of things?

I'd really appreciate if mongers who have a lot of experience with thai friendly girls can answer.[/QUOTE]The short answer for all the online dating sites is: NO.
Agencies: YES (most of the time).

I read back as far as I could, but got tired, and all I got was a debate about the legality of prostitution, legal age etc. My eyes are not so good anymore, can't keep reading forever, so I need to ask the professionals here directly: where are the freelancers gathering in Pattaya? And what's the going rate our days? My last visit was in 2012, I guess things have changed since. Interested mostly in 3 somes with my GF, that's traveling with me. Maybe even a white girl, because my GF never tasted white pussy before, only different variations of the asian kind. I remember that lots of russians girls were hanging around the bars back then.

[QUOTE=OldJack;2983257]Can mongers who have been with many thai friendly freelancers answer my question. Sorry if they are too long and sound silly. I just heard some people say good things about it so I'm curious.[/QUOTE]The answer to all your questions is some do and some don't.

Pictures are the worst, most girls will use filters to make themselves look whiter, that's almost standard with everyone and now with AI they can make themselves look thinner.

The rest of it is mixed and you won't find out until you meet.

[B]Thai Friendly[/B]

[B]Beach Road[/B]

Cost: 500 THB - 5000 THB (Short Time).

Russians are charging premium prices. Go dark, it is all pink inside!

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2983323]I read back as far as I could, but got tired, and all I got was a debate about the legality of prostitution, legal age etc. My eyes are not so good anymore, can't keep reading forever, so I need to ask the professionals here directly: where are the freelancers gathering in Pattaya? And what's the going rate our days? My last visit was in 2012, I guess things have changed since. Interested mostly in 3 somes with my GF, that's traveling with me. Maybe even a white girl, because my GF never tasted white pussy before, only different variations of the asian kind. I remember that lots of russians girls were hanging around the bars back then.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2983318]The short answer for all the online dating sites is: NO.
Agencies: YES (most of the time).[/QUOTE]Hmm. You are transferring your AC experience to Pattaya? Wrong! Did you ever scroll through the zillions of online girls on TF? Most of them will be quick at your place and if you not like what you see -- 100 baht for the moto to return is cheaper then a LD in a bar.

And agencies? Ohh man. That is for the introvert ones with heaps of cash, too shy to go out or to date a girl by just say "Hi" with a freindly smile --and observe her reaction.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2983323]I read back as far as I could, but got tired, and all I got was a debate about the legality of prostitution, legal age etc. My eyes are not so good anymore, can't keep reading forever, so I need to ask the professionals here directly: where are the freelancers gathering in Pattaya? And what's the going rate our days? My last visit was in 2012, I guess things have changed since. Interested mostly in 3 somes with my GF, that's traveling with me. Maybe even a white girl, because my GF never tasted white pussy before, only different variations of the asian kind. I remember that lots of russians girls were hanging around the bars back then.[/QUOTE]The #1 freelancer bar is Billabong in Soi LK.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2983323]I read back as far as I could, but got tired, and all I got was a debate about the legality of prostitution, legal age etc. My eyes are not so good anymore, can't keep reading forever, so I need to ask the professionals here directly: where are the freelancers gathering in Pattaya? And what's the going rate our days? My last visit was in 2012, I guess things have changed since. Interested mostly in 3 somes with my GF, that's traveling with me. Maybe even a white girl, because my GF never tasted white pussy before, only different variations of the asian kind. I remember that lots of russians girls were hanging around the bars back then.[/QUOTE]Don't bother going with a Russian lady in Thailand. Waste of money.

[QUOTE=Amadeuss;2983339]Hmm. You are transferring your AC experience to Pattaya? Wrong! Did you ever scroll through the zillions of online girls on TF? Most of them will be quick at your place and if you not like what you see -- 100 baht for the moto to return is cheaper then a LD in a bar.

And agencies? Ohh man. That is for the introvert ones with heaps of cash, too shy to go out or to date a girl by just say "Hi" with a freindly smile --and observe her reaction.[/QUOTE]Yes most of my online experience is from PH, but I been traveling around Thailand now for a month, and I tried the online in Bangkok: most didn't answer back after I asked politely if they are ladyboys, and 2 that I got to come out, looked totally different than the pics, one was fuckable, and we engaged, and the second one was 3 times the size in the pics, and I politely let her go. It's possible that is different in Pattaya, going there tomorrow for a while, I will report my findings. Also I have to mention that I was looking for 3 some participants, which normally narrows the pool a lot, but it seems to be ok in Thailand, if you pay a little extra. The pic is with the one we fucked, the body was a 6 but the face maybe a 3-4 on my scale, and I'm not too picky on the looks, as long as the body is ok, attitude was 10, that's why we took her in, paid 2000 plus 1000 extra for the 3 some. We got better ones from the nana street where our hotel was, but I don't have pics.

Thanks to everybody for the info about the freelancers location.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2981770]Why do you think it is impossible? I have done it plenty of times. They do not need their phone out in order to tell you what their number or ID is.[/QUOTE]Not impossible but it's going to be difficult because the management won't like it.

They aren't allowed to give you their number in the clubs, I've tried!

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2983401]Yes most of my online experience is from PH, but I been traveling around Thailand now for a month, and I tried the online in Bangkok: most didn't answer back after I asked politely if they are ladyboys, and 2 that I got to come out, looked totally different than the pics, one was fuckable, and we engaged, and the second one was 3 times the size in the pics, and I politely let her go. It's possible that is different in Pattaya, going there tomorrow for a while, I will report my findings. Also I have to mention that I was looking for 3 some participants, which normally narrows the pool a lot, but it seems to be ok in Thailand, if you pay a little extra. The pic is with the one we fucked, the body was a 6 but the face maybe a 3-4 on my scale, and I'm not too picky on the looks, as long as the body is ok, attitude was 10, that's why we took her in, paid 2000 plus 1000 extra for the 3 some. We got better ones from the nana street where our hotel was, but I don't have pics.

Thanks to everybody for the info about the freelancers location.[/QUOTE]Analysis of girls attractiveness is Legit. Hahaha.

Face looks a Bit Rough.

Hi I am travelling to pattaya next month can anyone help with good and reliable agency contacts. I have past experience of switch and bait experience from different places. I don't know about pattaya can anyone please help me.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2983296]There are extensive writings about [U]Thai Friendly[/U] by many different knowledgeable and experienced posters. For me is money. Like when you are on the basketball court and get open on your spot and your teammate feeds you the ball: [B]money![/B]!

I don't know what else to say about it. Each experience with each freelancer off of [U]Thai Friendly[/U] will be different. Just like any venue in Pattaya or greater Thailand. There are big differences between Thai Friendly in Pattaya, Cockbang, and the rest of Thailand.

It pays to read the forum (that is putting it nicely)! Then come to Thailand and meet up with girls off of [U]Thai Friendly[/U] and tell us how was it. Do not be that guy who studies how to hit the 100 MPH fastball, but never steps into the batters box to find out if he can actually hit it in real life.[/QUOTE]I just returned from north Pattaya. Resort with a lot of dour Russians but not bad and easy to cruise on a pick up shuttle into the fray. I mostly drank beer and didn't play with girls from the strip. However, I used TF in my hotel room to dial up pussy. Unless the girls' ads specifically say they're looking for a LTR, I figured they were all fair game. I like to bang in the morning so I perused accordingly. I had two wonderful ladies on separate days who arrived promptly. I go for mature / milfs. Both were excellent affectionate women. Yeah sorry, one of them, an accountant, hopped on BB and asked me to CIP. Long beautiful hair. God I love Thai women. Just how I operated this time. If they don't state their LTR dreams, straight up ask them for short, long, or whatever's cleaver.

Well,

Here I am again with a boring report.

Left Bangkok at around 1 Pm. Got to Pattaya and checked in to the hotel.

Had to wait a few minutes to charge the phone as I got too drunk last night at Rainbow in BKK.

Walked to Maggie May. Nobody was my type but this one girl came up to me and ended up giving me a decent BBBJ for 1000 THB.

Then left for Soi 6 stopping at a few places in between. Ended up at "Dolls". There were a few I liked but, as my luck is, all taken.

There was a girl dressed with Hindi clothing and, when she danced topless I fell for her. Too bad she became available too late for me. It is almost 3 am and I'm about to leave. No alcohol tonight as I don't want to end up like I did last night.

Anybody up for a bar crawl?

Omega Bar 6th soi.

Baitoey sized white skin hottie. Could pass for Thai Librarian. Had Glasses and everything.

The busses are leaving every 20 min. From exit 8 in the domestic terminal. You need to buy your ticket from the kiosks located next to the exit inside the terminal, it's designated sitting, and therefore limited, when I was there at 15.30 it was sold out until 17.00, probably people buy them in advance online. I had to wait 90 min watching about 5 busses depart, bribe doesn't work, logic doesn't work, also combinations of bribe and logic doesn't work: I ask them to put me on the bus if somebody doesn't show up (I saw the busses leaving with empty seats), but I was just told: No, 5!

Taxis want 2 k.

Buses to Hua Hin leave from the same spot.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2983727]Taxis want 2 k..[/QUOTE]If you go upstairs to the 4th floor where taxis drop people off, you can bargain for 1000.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2983727]The busses are leaving every 20 min. From exit 8 in the domestic terminal. You need to buy your ticket from the kiosks located next to the exit inside the terminal, it's designated sitting, and therefore limited, when I was there at 15.30 it was sold out until 17.00, probably people buy them in advance online. I had to wait 90 min watching about 5 busses depart, bribe doesn't work, logic doesn't work, also combinations of bribe and logic doesn't work: I ask them to put me on the bus if somebody doesn't show up (I saw the busses leaving with empty seats), but I was just told: No, 5!

Taxis want 2 k.

Buses to Hua Hin leave from the same spot.[/QUOTE][URL]https://belltravelservice.com/[/URL]

This website allows you to make advance reservations from Suvarnabhumi to Pattaya, or vice versa.

[QUOTE=SPatel7805;2983503]Hi I am travelling to pattaya next month can anyone help with good and reliable agency contacts. I have past experience of switch and bait experience from different places. I don't know about pattaya can anyone please help me.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Bro, when I was long stay in Pattaya a few months ago, ThaiFriendly was the go to supplier for girls, not any agency. As an Indian, you have to maneuver a bit different. For example, make sure in your user / profile name that you let the girls you are actually in Pattaya or Thailand. Make sure there is a pic of landmark for Pattaya like the beach, my favorite. I know Punjabis like to use ThaiFriendly remotely from the motherland, but Thai girls frown on that as a waste of time. They frown at those brown who do that. I made sure they knew by including TH (short for Thailand) in my profile name. Also I like to steer the girls from thinking I am from India with a clever username like "Singha" which is a Thai beer. But I do that cleverly, so I can subliminally [B]Jedi Mind Trick[/B] to suggest that I am from Singapore and not India. They somehow [B]LOVE[/B] Indians from Singapore even though we were brought in as low wage migrant workers like the Phillippinoes. But Thai girls don't know the difference. They hear Singha / Singapore, they get wet. [B]So choose a good username.[/B] Also, I make sure they know my hobbies though my pictures. I wear sports wear and athletic wear like baseball and basketball jerseys, so they know I am am active person for my not so young age. Also a a cool golfing hat is mandatory because that is a rich man's sport. Make sure no cheap brands. Nike never lets me down. The pictures are worth more than words, so I keep it to a minimum. Let them decide with their eyes staring at pictures instead of mumble jumble. Hrududududu words. I think this is the best advice for you to find girls. No agency here in Pattaya. None needed.

I started contacting girls a day before I arrived to Pattaya. That was was too late to get something setup. I had a few contacts for the next day and they all came in at $2 k and offered $1. 5 k and got no reply and probably blocked. Screwed that one up. Found one for $1. 5 k and it was no kissing, no BJ and CFS. So new game plan asking no cover and 2 out 50 messages agreed. Thiafriendly is way too much work for a short trip. And for some reason line searches don't work for me and need QR code.

Soi 6 is a crazy street where girls are grabbing you to get drinks and you need to dodge the constant cars coming down the street. I was paying 100 baht and 200 baht for lady drinks. I avoided bars that had music blasting inside. I went out at eleven at night and probably too late. I just picked girls I thought were cute and didn't ask if they boom boom. The girls only did drinks nothing more. If I did Soi 6 again I need to asked if they boom boom before buying drinks. I observed 3 other guys not doing anything else but drinks.

Would like to know people who solely (or mostly) use Thai Friendly to monger. How is your experience overall? Do most of the times the pic you see on TF is quite different from what they actually look like? Do you notice they are not as clean as professional prostitutes as they are freelancers? In terms of purely sexual experience does it feel pleasurable? Anything in general that you'd like to share about your experiences with Thai friendly girls. Would appreciate response from people who use or have used thai friendly a lot.

[QUOTE=BlackPantherXX;2984176]Thanks in advance, if you feel like adding anything else, go ahead, but FYI I'm only going for bareback and anal.[/QUOTE]Bareback, you'll probably get it with some girls but anal is not so commonly given. Some girls give it but they are few compared to the number of girls available in the business, I get refused a lot for anal, at least from the girls working in the bars.

[QUOTE=Mike1274;2984228]I started contacting girls a day before I arrived to Pattaya. That was was too late to get something setup. I had a few contacts for the next day and they all came in at $2 k and offered $1. 5 k and got no reply and probably blocked. Screwed that one up. Found one for $1. 5 k and it was no kissing, no BJ and CFS. So new game plan asking no cover and 2 out 50 messages agreed. Thiafriendly is way too much work for a short trip. And for some reason line searches don't work for me and need QR code.[/QUOTE]Here is a report about a [U]Thai Friendly[/U] experience that has been very different from mine the entire time I have been posted up here in Pattaya, Thailand. My experiences do not invalidate his.

[QUOTE=OldJack;2984290]Would like to know people who solely (or mostly) use Thai Friendly to monger. How is your experience overall? Do most of the times the pic you see on TF is quite different from what they actually look like? Do you notice they are not as clean as professional prostitutes as they are freelancers? In terms of purely sexual experience does it feel pleasurable? Anything in general that you'd like to share about your experiences with Thai friendly girls. Would appreciate response from people who use or have used thai friendly a lot.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2984313]Bareback, you'll probably get it with some girls but anal is not so commonly given. Some girls give it but they are few compared to the number of girls available in the business, I get refused a lot for anal, at least from the girls working in the bars.[/QUOTE]This has been my [B]Thai Friendly[/B] experience. I am often told [U]no ass[/U] without even asking. A girl offers the ass about 10% of the time.

[QUOTE=OldJack;2984290]Would like to know people who solely (or mostly) use Thai Friendly to monger. How is your experience overall? Do most of the times the pic you see on TF is quite different from what they actually look like? Do you notice they are not as clean as professional prostitutes as they are freelancers? In terms of purely sexual experience does it feel pleasurable? Anything in general that you'd like to share about your experiences with Thai friendly girls. Would appreciate response from people who use or have used thai friendly a lot.[/QUOTE]Thaifriendly is like a lucky dip. However, I haven't been really disappointed so far. I never discuss the service beforehand. But I do ask specifically about the age, whether the woman already has a child and whether she is really a woman and not a ladyboy (with a cock) or ladygirl (operated on, without a cock). I'm only interested in real girls. 18+. The average age of the girls who respond to me is around 25.

As a rule, the women look different, or often even better, than in the photos. However, I am very selective. I have never had a real dud. Luckily.

About 1/4 of the women I write to respond. A maximum of 1/10 of all the women exchange contact details. Either because the conditions are not okay or the women simply do not reply later.

About 1/3 of the real dates look worse than in the photos. But not so bad that I would ever have sent them away with a taxi driver.

About 1/4 of the girls insist on using condoms. Often even completely. So no BBBJ. But as I said: I always ordered the women without a prior service check.

I only had hygiene problems in rare isolated cases.

1/2 of the girls in my selection even looked significantly better than in the photos. A small number matched the photos more or less 1:1. But again: I'm very picky anyway.

I don't pay extra for taxis. The girls usually come on the Bolt motorbike. That only costs 40-50 Baht.

For special events or on Friday evenings and Saturdays, you shouldn't rely on a last-minute date. Often, even if you write to lots of women, you won't be able to arrange a date. They are often booked in advance or don't respond at all for hours.

[QUOTE=Mike1274;2984242]Soi 6 is a crazy street where girls are grabbing you to get drinks and you need to dodge the constant cars coming down the street. I was paying 100 baht and 200 baht for lady drinks. I avoided bars that had music blasting inside. I went out at eleven at night and probably too late. I just picked girls I thought were cute and didn't ask if they boom boom. The girls only did drinks nothing more. If I did Soi 6 again I need to asked if they boom boom before buying drinks. I observed 3 other guys not doing anything else but drinks.[/QUOTE]The "only drink " thing is new, due to the influx of Korean two week millionaires. The ladies don't want to leave the bar, while waiting for a Korean whale (big spending customer).

This is what killed Angeles City in the Philippines.

Farangs will eventually migrate from Soi 6 to other areas of Pattaya. In particular, Gentlemen's Clubs are picking up momentum.

[QUOTE=BlackPantherXX;2984176]
Thaifriendly and soi 6 will be my playground in pattaya, pinalove and the surroundings of LAcafe in manila. (Expansion in future trips).
[/QUOTE]PinaLove will work just as well on P. Burgos as it will in Malate, where Midnight Haven is located. And you will have several GoGo bars on P. Burgos that are all "user-friendly" for getting BB (Anal is more of a challenge). Finally, there are lots of FL's on the street, especially in front of the Makati Palace Hotel.

"Can you change the money and get a SIM card straight from the airport?"

Yes you can change money at the airport, at multiple exchange booths. The best rates are offered by the money changers on the B Level. Follow the signs to the Airport Rail Link and you'll see several shops.

Yes, you can buy a SIM card at the airport. You'll see multiple vendors after you clear customs. If you have a phone that can access an eSIM you can buy one of those online in advance and set it to activate when you arrive.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2984313]Bareback, you'll probably get it with some girls but [b]anal is not so commonly given[/b]. Some girls give it but they are few compared to the number of girls available in the business, I get refused a lot for anal, at least from the girls working in the bars.[/QUOTE]Maybe get on Thai Friendly? There is another board member in town and his experience seems to be different from yours.

Planning a trip in July can anyone suggest a good place to stay? This is my first time about to pop my thailand cherry.

Thank you for your advice I really appreciate it. I would like to more on thai friendly. Is it what you see is what you get usually? Like are the photos are accurate in most of the profiles?

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2983819]Bro, when I was long stay in Pattaya a few months ago, ThaiFriendly was the go to supplier for girls, not any agency. As an Indian, you have to maneuver a bit different. For example, make sure in your user / profile name that you let the girls you are actually in Pattaya or Thailand. Make sure there is a pic of landmark for Pattaya like the beach, my favorite. I know Punjabis like to use ThaiFriendly remotely from the motherland, but Thai girls frown on that as a waste of time. They frown at those brown who do that. I made sure they knew by including TH (short for Thailand) in my profile name. Also I like to steer the girls from thinking I am from India with a clever username like "Singha" which is a Thai beer. But I do that cleverly, so I can subliminally [B]Jedi Mind Trick[/B] to suggest that I am from Singapore and not India. They somehow [B]LOVE[/B] Indians from Singapore even though we were brought in as low wage migrant workers like the Phillippinoes. But Thai girls don't know the difference. They hear Singha / Singapore, they get wet. [B]So choose a good username.[/B] Also, I make sure they know my hobbies though my pictures. I wear sports wear and athletic wear like baseball and basketball jerseys, so they know I am am active person for my not so young age. Also a a cool golfing hat is mandatory because that is a rich man's sport. Make sure no cheap brands. Nike never lets me down. The pictures are worth more than words, so I keep it to a minimum. Let them decide with their eyes staring at pictures instead of mumble jumble. Hrududududu words. I think this is the best advice for you to find girls. No agency here in Pattaya. None needed.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SPatel7805;2984539]Thank you for your advice I really appreciate it. I would like to more on thai friendly. Is it what you see is what you get usually? Like are the photos are accurate in most of the profiles?[/QUOTE]No. Most of the time the photos are heavily filtered.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2984348]The "only drink " thing is new, due to the influx of Korean two week millionaires. The ladies don't want to leave the bar, while waiting for a Korean whale (big spending customer).

This is what killed Angeles City in the Philippines.

Farangs will eventually migrate from Soi 6 to other areas of Pattaya. In particular, Gentlemen's Clubs are picking up momentum.[/QUOTE]I've always thought the girls at gentlemen clubs are mediocre. Do you recommend one that has decent girls?

[QUOTE=SPatel7805;2984539]Thank you for your advice I really appreciate it. I would like to more on thai friendly. Is it what you see is what you get usually? Like are the photos are accurate in most of the profiles?[/QUOTE]I find for most part about 99% accurate in the face. Of course I only go for the hottest ones called 10's on TF. I've had hundreds of TF girls from 800-2000. It's called gifting to myself 365 days of Hannukah. But still remember, never will find out anything if these girls never reply. Make sure that profile name you create catches their attention like mine for example SINGH / SINGHA / SINGAPORE. Yours can be PATEL / APATEU / APT Rose. It's called subliminal [B]Jedi Mind Fuck[/B] word association.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekr2nIex040[/URL]

If you enter the Pattaya Reports thread; click on advanced search; Enter: Subcmdr; Keyword: Thai Friendly. Many of your questions will be answered as I have been posting extensively since late 2023 about [U]Thai Friendly[/U].

[QUOTE=SPatel7805;2984539]Thank you for your advice I really appreciate it. I would like to more on thai friendly. Is it what you see is what you get usually? Like are the photos are accurate in most of the profiles?[/QUOTE]I have NEVER been disappointed with the quality of the girl that showed up at my door.

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[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2984553]I find for most part about 99% accurate in the face. Of course I only go for the hottest ones called 10's on TF. I've had hundreds of TF girls from 800-2000. It's called gifting to myself 365 days of Hannukah. But still remember, never will find out anything if these girls never reply. Make sure that profile name you create catches their attention like mine for example SINGH / SINGHA / SINGAPORE. Yours can be PATEL / APATEU / APT Rose. It's called subliminal [B]Jedi Mind Fuck[/B] word association.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekr2nIex040[/URL][/QUOTE]I had a short non profane satirical comment on your post, using your example, and suggesting how I could optimize my user name into something less boring, and more informative than "Oakie", and certainly less profane than the handles ascribed to me by our "Royal We", but it did not pass the moderation test, which I humbly note, and gratefully respect.

[QUOTE=KinkyLink;2984518]Planning a trip in July can anyone suggest a good place to stay?[/QUOTE]In a perfect world, the Thailand forum would have a special section devoted to discussion of hotels in Pattaya.

Oh wait! There is!

I knew things didn't look the same. Over supply of bars, higher prices, bad business model of too much for too much.

India getting some love up in the clubs.

[URL]https://www.pattayamail.com/news/reasons-behind-empty-bars-as-pattaya-navigating-the-low-season-changing-tourism-trends-491498[/URL]

[QUOTE=Oakie;2984671]I had a short non profane satirical comment on your post, using your example, and suggesting how I could optimize my user name into something less boring, and more informative than "Oakie", and certainly less profane than the handles ascribed to me by our "Royal We", but it did not pass the moderation test, which I humbly note, and gratefully respect.[/QUOTE]Try "Oakie8-HuntRed" as a profile name if in TH. Then carry in the billetera only 800 baht when the TF girl comes to your room. These wise words from Ali Baba, Prince of 40 oz Thieves. All about the subliminal, next level, read in between the lines messages. LOL.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2984708]I knew things didn't look the same. Over supply of bars, higher prices, bad business model of too much for too much.

India getting some love up in the clubs.

[URL]https://www.pattayamail.com/news/reasons-behind-empty-bars-as-pattaya-navigating-the-low-season-changing-tourism-trends-491498[/URL][/QUOTE]This is 100% accurate. Many of the Pattaya bars are back strong doing live streams on you tube. This is also a key indicator of high season being over. The problem is this year, the Pattaya high season is over much sooner than expected. It normally carries on until the end of March.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2984708]I knew things didn't look the same. Over supply of bars, higher prices, bad business model of too much for too much.

India getting some love up in the clubs.

[URL]https://www.pattayamail.com/news/reasons-behind-empty-bars-as-pattaya-navigating-the-low-season-changing-tourism-trends-491498[/URL][/QUOTE]It is true that there are many empty bars in Pattaya, and as the article says, it's due to over-supply. High Season historically didn't end until Songkran is over. However, last year, Pattaya was busy right up until May 1.

There have always been empty bars in Pattaya, because the over-supply of bars matches the volume of customers.

If you think *now* is Low Season, come back in August, and you will see the difference. Even the Korean customers don't come when it's warm in Korea, they are seasonal, like the Europeans.

Serious question: why would I share good intel with this forum, knowing that human garbage are going to use it to try and ruin it for me?

You guys don't even know where to find the cambodian and lao girls in Pattaya. I haven't seen it posted at all, ever. I could tell you. But I'm not going to. Because of the fucking subhuman retard loudmouths who won't shut the fuck up about their retarded third world bullshit.

I just don't want to be stirring their spooge also. And so, I would never contribute actionable recent information about new opportunities.

I used to. All the time. I have some very famous posts on a now defunct account. But since seeing what this 'demographic' has done to my hobby practically worldwide? No.

Never again. Ever.

Get the scum off the forum. Get rid of their larp. Get rid of their bullshit. Ban them, just how certain establishments ban them. They are horrible for 'business'. Get them out. Now.

Or I just won't contribute. LOL!

As they say in thailand "Up to you!