Stupid shit in Medellin

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2488184]I would hate to be you. You will give yourself a heart attack soon.

Remember the media telling you:

The microwaves (used to heat food) gives out radiation that will cause cancer and kill you. Yet 90% of all of us have one.

The cell phones gives out radiation that will cause cancer and kill you. Yet 100% of all of us have one.

In the 1980's AIDS was going to kill half the planets population. How did that work out?

About 3 years ago ZIKA virus was a popular doom scenario for 6 months and then nothing. Nothing heard again.

Now COVID. It has killed less than 1%. Mostly sickly and very elderly.

Are you unable to think for yourself or does media have to fill your head like all the stupid kids of today's world?[/QUOTE]A slew of bogus analogies. There's always been fads as to what may or may not cause cancer, which is niether here nor there. Zika didn't cause bodies to pour out into the streets in many countries around the world, stressing healthcare systems and morgues, thus this is a riduclous comparison. No credible news source made the case that AIDs was going to kill half the planet. It is a disease that is easily spreads through blood to blood contact so care is worth taking in those circumstances and a few others.

Actually the stupidity lies with you and other conspiracy theory peddlers who reject the overwhelming consensus of scientists and doctors the world over who specialize in the study of contagious diseases. Only a moron of the highest degree would believe that these and others in many fields of study across the globe have huddled together to perpetuate a scam. And 1% of the world population is a lot, and it's by no means over. 209,000 Americans have died and counting, seven times that of a normal flu season. These numbers in the US and around the globe would be much higher if not for public measures that have and are continuing to hinder the spread. Also there is plenty of evidence that long term health problems exist in some survivors, lungs, heart, and brain.

But hey, keep spreading bad information on a most serious matter, and with your arrogance, an arrogance that many had until they wrestled with Covid then changed their minds. I've said nothing that hasn't been said before, and am responding to arguments that have been refuted many times before on this thread. Anyone interested I recommend that they look up my post history. That said, I'm moving on. Feel free pile on, repeat the same lies that have been already overturned ad nauseam, etc. I'm done with the subject in monger forums.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2488317]A slew of bogus analogies. There's always been fads as to what may or may not cause cancer, which is niether here nor there. Zika didn't cause bodies to pour out into the streets in many countries around the world, stressing healthcare systems and morgues, thus this is a riduclous comparison. No credible news source made the case that AIDs was going to kill half the planet. It is a disease that is easily spreads through blood to blood contact so care is worth taking in those circumstances and a few others.

Actually the stupidity lies with you and other conspiracy theory peddlers who reject the overwhelming consensus of scientists and doctors the world over who specialize in the study of contagious diseases. Only a moron of the highest degree would believe that these and others in many fields of study across the globe have huddled together to perpetuate a scam. And 1% of the world population is a lot, and it's by no means over. 209,000 Americans have died and counting, seven times that of a normal flu season. These numbers in the US and around the globe would be much higher if not for public measures that have and are continuing to hinder the spread. Also there is plenty of evidence that long term health problems exist in some survivors, lungs, heart, and brain.

But hey, keep spreading bad information on a most serious matter, and with your arrogance, an arrogance that many had until they wrestled with Covid then changed their minds. I've said nothing that hasn't been said before, and am responding to arguments that have been refuted many times before on this thread. Anyone interested I recommend that they look up my post history. That said, I'm moving on. Feel free pile on, repeat the same lies that have been already overturned ad nauseam, etc. I'm done with the subject in monger forums.[/QUOTE]From "someone" that tells me to worry about being kidnapped for ransom in MDE.

[URL]https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/13-12-2017-up-to-650-000-people-die-of-respiratory-diseases-linked-to-seasonal-flu-each-year[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2482774]Been there, done this. Sweden is a success or failure based on which country you compare it to. I have said this before and you are being dishonest in insisting that all other nations that merit a fair comparison to Sweden just so happen to be ones that have fared better. You are making these artificial barriers like population density and now mountains?? The truth is that there are much better and much worse countries than Sweden, but it does not matter with regards to what is happening in the world.

What matters is nations are now taking the Swedish approach based on the most recent data and general lockdowns are now off the table.

Fauci got it wrong on masks and used the excuse that he did not want people going into a panic and hoarding masks, and you Demorats totally excuse him. Then Woodward releases an interview that he conducted months ago, and it says Trump does the same thing, and you all are outraged. You Demorats are so up in arms about Trump you could be offended by how he breathes. You Demorats are incapable of saying anything good about Trump. There were no wars with him, and the economy had been doing great pre Covid, and you all treat him like he is the devil.

I have said the FDA and CDC screwed up the early Covid testing, and that is relevant and that is on Trump.

Like there was any doubt how you were going to vote. Pelosi just got a makeover huh? Yeesh. To be a Demorat today is to say that the only person who ever does anything wrong in government is Trump or people affiliated with him. You all cannot even admit when a party leader of yours pulls a total boner.[/QUOTE]Shutting down most economies was just stupid.

[URL]https://newseu.cgtn.com/news/2020-09-14/Does-Sweden-s-COVID-19-experience-support-the-herd-immunity-theory--TL82pOjfpe/index.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2482774]Been there, done this. Sweden is a success or failure based on which country you compare it to. I have said this before and you are being dishonest in insisting that all other nations that merit a fair comparison to Sweden just so happen to be ones that have fared better. You are making these artificial barriers like population density and now mountains?? The truth is that there are much better and much worse countries than Sweden, but it does not matter with regards to what is happening in the world.

What matters is nations are now taking the Swedish approach based on the most recent data and general lockdowns are now off the table.

Fauci got it wrong on masks and used the excuse that he did not want people going into a panic and hoarding masks, and you Demorats totally excuse him. Then Woodward releases an interview that he conducted months ago, and it says Trump does the same thing, and you all are outraged. You Demorats are so up in arms about Trump you could be offended by how he breathes. You Demorats are incapable of saying anything good about Trump. There were no wars with him, and the economy had been doing great pre Covid, and you all treat him like he is the devil.

I have said the FDA and CDC screwed up the early Covid testing, and that is relevant and that is on Trump.

Like there was any doubt how you were going to vote. Pelosi just got a makeover huh? Yeesh. To be a Demorat today is to say that the only person who ever does anything wrong in government is Trump or people affiliated with him. You all cannot even admit when a party leader of yours pulls a total boner.[/QUOTE]I am pretty sure that Trump's biggest issue is his ability to self own and its anybody else's fault than his own. In terms of the economy, it was certainly not because of Trump. He inherited a growing economy, the best in terms of steady growth, and the promptly screwed it up by trying to.

A) Supercharge it with tax cuts for wealthy people and companies. Which resulted in overvaluation and a miniscule improvement in GDP growth, whiles adding a massive amount to the national debt. Funny how he is not a deficit hawk when he is in charge.

B) The tariffs that are totally "being paid by China" in direct violation of WTO regulations.

The hypocrisy and madness of abandoning international allies is what makes the administration seem crazy. And this is before considering any of the morality or health care considerations.

[QUOTE=JgButler;2488613]I am pretty sure that Trump's biggest issue is his ability to self own and its anybody else's fault than his own. In terms of the economy, it was certainly not because of Trump. He inherited a growing economy, the best in terms of steady growth, and the promptly screwed it up by trying to.

A) Supercharge it with tax cuts for wealthy people and companies. Which resulted in overvaluation and a miniscule improvement in GDP growth, whiles adding a massive amount to the national debt. Funny how he is not a deficit hawk when he is in charge.

B) The tariffs that are totally "being paid by China" in direct violation of WTO regulations.

The hypocrisy and madness of abandoning international allies is what makes the administration seem crazy. And this is before considering any of the morality or health care considerations.[/QUOTE]This hackneyed phrase "he inherited a good economy" is bandied about regularly as a detraction of Trump and it's not logical. Given the cyclical nature of the economy, you'd much rather take over when the economy is at a relative low point. Sure you might take shit initially, but after a few years, in all likelihood things will be better. OTOH, taking over when a recovery is long in the tooth is much more risky as the economic cycle likely won't run in your favor much longer.

The things you mention didn't screw up the economy, which was by virtually all measures, in very good shape eight months ago. The only thing that screwed it up was this virus and the ensuing lockdown. Which, by the way, has screwed up at the economy of the entire World, not just that of the USA.

[QUOTE=Combo;2488678]This hackneyed phrase "he inherited a good economy" is bandied about regularly as a detraction of Trump and it's not logical. Given the cyclical nature of the economy, you'd much rather take over when the economy is at a relative low point. Sure you might take shit initially, but after a few years, in all likelihood things will be better. OTOH, taking over when a recovery is long in the tooth is much more risky as the economic cycle likely won't run in your favor much longer.

The things you mention didn't screw up the economy, which was by virtually all measures, in very good shape eight months ago. The only thing that screwed it up was this virus and the ensuing lockdown. Which, by the way, has screwed up at the economy of the entire World, not just that of the USA.[/QUOTE]Obama inherited a disaster of an economy losing 750 k jobs a month--and flipped it intot he longest sustainable period of constant economic growth in US History! Trump inherited a solid, growing economy. And destroyed it. (just like Bush destroyed Clinton's good economy). The economy had better job growth and was more successful by every measure in the final 3 years of Obama compared to the 2.5 years of trump pr-virus and starting 6 months after trump took over to account for a lag time for trumps initial policies to take effect. Trumps total failure and mishandling of the virus-in every possible way-destroyed what was left of the already on the way down because republicans always screw up the economy--economy. Look at the last 50+ years: democrats paid down the debt, republicans increase. Republicans cause recessions, democrats fix them-lke it or not--that is a fact! Just go look at the data. Trump failed on the virus. The US has 4% of the globa population and 20+% of the covid deaths-in spite of some of the best doctors, most mst resources and highest capabilities to put an effective plan in place. That failure falls on the leadership-trump and republicans--they get 100% of the blame. Their failure destroyed the economy they already hurt. Just like in trumps persoanl life-he inherited a good economy and lots of money from daddy then drove that business into several bankruptcies and lied on his taxes and isn't a billionaire or a successful business man-its all a fraud and a con. --trump inherited a great Obama economy and drove the nation into bankruptcy. He ran the virus like one of his bankrupted failed casinos. Trump isn't even allowed to run a charity because he stole from his own fraud of a charity and never actually helped anyone but himself. Turmp university-another fraud, a total criminal scam--a lie. Like everything else trump. Trump is a racist, a fool and both morally and financially bankrupt--and the nation is following suit under his lack of real leadership.

If you support trump you support racism, bankrupting the nation, mishandling the pandemic, compulsive dishonesty, a con man, authoritarianism and generally are on the wrong side of history on every single issue-from climate change to healthcare to education. Trump is destroying the USA like he destroyed his dads business empire. AND everyone on planet earth except for a handful of racist and ignorant Americans who think more guns amd more shooting people is the same as more peace and less violence-the same Americans who believe in zombies (jesus) and talking snakes who don't want rib made woman eating apples and think the earth is flat. That these stories are more real and relevant than science--those are his only supporters. NAZIS support trump. And dictators like Putin, the Chinese commies, the leaders of north Korea and scum like bolsinaro-who still claims the virus is a hoax--and the leader of north Korea--who trump fell in love with--those are the types who support trump. Meanwhile--look at the countries who dealth with the virus with success: new Zealand, Iceland, Germany, Finland, Taiwan, Thailand. Etc-they hate trump and trumpism and are ashamed of America now. As any sane and rational person would be. You cont believe in democracy or America or the constitution if you support trump. He calls himself the law and order potus--but his entire operation is a criminal enterprise. He has had as many senior staff indicted as every single other potus in history combined!

The only thing trump does that anyone on this site could agree with if they are sane--is pay for pussy--and he illegally tried to cover that up too!

Fuck trump and fuck anyone who supports him. He destroyed the US economy, he is destroying US leadership around the world. He is anti science, anti truth anti fact and anti YOU! Stop enabling the cult! Biden-hardly perfect--but a lot better than trump. At least Biden is sane!

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2488814]Obama inherited a disaster of an economy losing 750 k jobs a month--and flipped it intot he longest sustainable period of constant economic growth in US History! Trump inherited a solid, growing economy. And destroyed it. (just like Bush destroyed Clinton's good economy). The economy had better job growth and was more successful by every measure in the final 3 years of Obama compared to the 2.5 years of trump pr-virus and starting 6 months after trump took over to account for a lag time for trumps initial policies to take effect. Trumps total failure and mishandling of the virus-in every possible way-destroyed what was left of the already on the way down because republicans always screw up the economy--economy. Look at the last 50+ years: democrats paid down the debt, republicans increase. Republicans cause recessions, democrats fix them-lke it or not--that is a fact! Just go look at the data. Trump failed on the virus. The US has 4% of the globa population and 20+% of the covid deaths-in spite of some of the best doctors, most mst resources and highest capabilities to put an effective plan in place. That failure falls on the leadership-trump and republicans--they get 100% of the blame. Their failure destroyed the economy they already hurt. Just like in trumps persoanl life-he inherited a good economy and lots of money from daddy then drove that business into several bankruptcies and lied on his taxes and isn't a billionaire or a successful business man-its all a fraud and a con. --trump inherited a great Obama economy and drove the nation into bankruptcy. He ran the virus like one of his bankrupted failed casinos. Trump isn't even allowed to run a charity because he stole from his own fraud of a charity and never actually helped anyone but himself. Turmp university-another fraud, a total criminal scam--a lie. Like everything else trump. Trump is a racist, a fool and both morally and financially bankrupt--and the nation is following suit under his lack of real leadership.[/QUOTE]You are so full of shit, all lies and you gobble this crap up and swallow it whole, gawd have your career 47 year do-notin politician Biden who is as dirty scum as they come with his kid Hunter stealing taxpayer funded money and that **** heels in the air Harris. Hehehehe.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2488942]You are so full of shit, all lies and you gobble this crap up and swallow it whole, gawd have your career 47 year do-notin politician Biden who is as dirty scum as they come with his kid Hunter stealing taxpayer funded money and that **** heels in the air Harris. Hehehehe.
[/QUOTE]I am not a political guy, but you can bet that if there is something that I have not done in 47 years, then I did not plan on doing it. If there is a choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich, then I gotta choose the giant douche every time.

P.S. I thought it was Headboard Harris; talking about her favorite rapper alive is a guy that has been dead for 25 years.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2488942]You are so full of shit, all lies and you gobble this crap up and swallow it whole, gawd have your career 47 year do-notin politician Biden who is as dirty scum as they come with his kid Hunter stealing taxpayer funded money and that **** heels in the air Harris. Hehehehe.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]Everything I wrote is fact.

Trump failed on the virus. Couldn't protect the nation and can't even protect himself or the White House.

I guess all of trumps hydroxy didn't work! Trump has the virus now. Proving his failure in this whole thing.

Trump is a super spreader. The worst source of virus misinformation on the planet. And now he mismanaged himself into being positive for the virus.

Irony!

Trump is inept at everything he does. Its all a giant con!

Thank you, Just Incognito, for passionately telling these gringos caught in their bubble what the world thinks about the conman in the White House.

This fake of a president, conspiracy theorist in chief, suffers from twitter diarrhea and too many people just lap it up. It's so disgusting to watch.

Well today something unexpected happened. For the first time ever, the big fat faker tweeted a simple fact, scientifically proven. Maybe there is hope for the US yet.

Gentlemen, can we take our political harangues elsewhere? This is not the place for it, I don't want to learn how to use the "ignore" feature (if we have one.).

[QUOTE=IguanaSix;2489046]Gentlemen, can we take our political harangues elsewhere? This is not the place for it, I don't want to learn how to use the "ignore" feature (if we have one.).[/QUOTE]Thank you! This ongoing COVID troll and flame war has infested this forum since mid-July. Even worse, it's now spreading to the Aruba forum and others (go look).

Moderators, or someone who is actually paying the yearly membership fee and has unmoderated status, please create a forum titled "COVID Troll and Flame. " With the President and First Lady now testing positive for COVID, vaccines forthcoming, and nations constantly adjusting their entry procedures, the COVID chat on ISG isn't going anywhere anytime soon, so it might as well be confined to one specific forum.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2489010]Everything I wrote is fact. ...[/QUOTE]Hardly anything you wrote is fact. Here are a few examples:

"The economy had better job growth and was more successful by every measure in the final 3 years of Obama compared to the 2.5 years of trump pr-virus and starting 6 months after trump took over to account for a lag time for trumps initial policies to take effect. " Job growth (Obama) 2014 1.85, 2015 2.62, 2016 2.42 (Trump) 2017 2.51, 2018 3.19, 2019 3.17.

Obama never had GDP growth of 3 points, Trump did it in his second year.

"trump inherited a great Obama economy and drove the nation into bankruptcy. " The US is not in bankruptcy.

"he has had as many senior staff indicted as every single other potus in history combined" Not one of Trump's senior staff has been indicted.

According to your posts, you don't live in the US. I doubt you are even a US citizen.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2488942]You are so full of shit, all lies and you gobble this crap up and swallow it whole, gawd have your career 47 year do-notin politician Biden who is as dirty scum as they come with his kid Hunter stealing taxpayer funded money and that **** heels in the air Harris. Hehehehe.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]Quit crying Tallman. You're guy is on his way to the hospital. I wish him no ill, but do want his childish, destructive stunts on the sidelines rather in the WH.

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;2489056]Thank you! This ongoing COVID troll and flame war has infested this forum since mid-July. Even worse, it's now spreading to the Aruba forum and others (go look).

Moderators, or someone who is actually paying the yearly membership fee and has unmoderated status, please create a forum titled "COVID Troll and Flame. " With the President and First Lady now testing positive for COVID, vaccines forthcoming, and nations constantly adjusting their entry procedures, the COVID chat on ISG isn't going anywhere anytime soon, so it might as well be confined to one specific forum.[/QUOTE]Do we have a "ignore" feature that would allow me to not see someone's posts for 30 or 60 days?

Could we open up a "US politics" forum? Someplace to put the posts that are NOT related to the hobby?

I don't come here to debate anyone, or try to change anyone's mind about their partisan politics / religion / favorite sports team.

I'm especially tired of being subjected to these harangues from one star posters with low post counts who only started posting in the last year or so. I understand, I've seen this level of righteous indignation before. I think of the 20 year old in 1970 who gets his notice to appear for his draft physical, and within two weeks, becomes an expert on foreign policy and wants you to hear their "profound" observations. Yeah, that guy wasn't a lot of fun to talk to for the next couple of years, but by 1978, after getting a job, a haircut, their first nice car, and a mortgage, could have normal conversations with their neighbor across the backyard fence.

I don't even care about the controversy about Spirit Airlines. (Some people believe that Spirit Airlines is "a threat," others are just as equally convinced it is merely "a menace. ") I can't tell you how many times I have mentioned the name of that airline, and the other person will spend the next 20 minutes telling me how they lost their bag, or had a horrible experience, about how Spirit Airlines is responsible for everything from the sinking of the Lusitania, to the assassination of Ghandi, to the kidnapping of the Lindberg baby.

I know COVID-19 was the camel's nose in the tent, but just keep it on topic to when or when not we can travel, and what things are and are not safe.