Seeking Arrangements

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2467234]So clearly great job getting to the goal. And clearly the strong lead was key. If you want to keep her tho I suggest you go a bit less sex for money and take her out or something if she'll go. Make her feel a bit more special than just sex.
[/QUOTE]Thanks for your props, man. As for your suggestion, it's a good one, but if it takes that much effort, then I'm going to cut bait. If this doesn't work out, then I'm going back to screwing lonely old housewives. And, of course, also go back to explicit P4 P.

[QUOTE=Alex7J;2466914]I have been now almost 3 months in Mexico with 2 months in Cancun and now a month in CDMX. Except 2 or 3 wrong or bad or greedy girls almost all of them have been amazing and I mean fucked about 100 of them so at an average of 1 each day it is a very good source. Just last week went to the first club in Cdmx which was open and saw 6 hookers for the first time in all these 3 months. SA pussy is absolutely amazing.[/QUOTE]Good for you Alex. There is no doubt that Covid has been good for guys trying to score Mexican SBs (and also Colombian and Vennie SBs in Mexico). The problem with Cancun is that Mexican women wanted USA Rates. Was that an issue for you?

[QUOTE=Alex7J;2466914]I have been now almost 3 months in Mexico with 2 months in Cancun and now a month in CDMX. Except 2 or 3 wrong or bad or greedy girls almost all of them have been amazing and I mean fucked about 100 of them so at an average of 1 each day it is a very good source. Just last week went to the first club in Cdmx which was open and saw 6 hookers for the first time in all these 3 months. SA pussy is absolutely amazing.

I do miss clubs but COVID has caused a great deal of mess.

Peace.

Adios.

Alex.[/QUOTE]Hey Alex,

Thank for the reply. Quick update. I have paid the premium about a week ago, and so far I have totally forgotten about Twitter and escort websites. Now SA offers me way more girls when I do a search than before. I had a great date with a smoking hot 9/10 girl for 3500 MXN, you simply can't find a girl of that level of hotness on Twitter or elsewhere. What is the point of paying 1500-2000/ HR (+ hotel room and taxi sometimes) for an average looking twitter girl when you can get a really hot one for 2500-3500/ night? SA offers a way better value and a date with SA girl is totally different experience. I have one more SA date scheduled and also had 2 decent Tinder dates (both were repeat dates). Yes, you can find a working girl on Tinder too, but the selection is limited, I guess I just got lucky after almost a month of using it. What is the average nightly / multi-hour rate that you pay them? Out of 100 that you fucked, would you share a few that outperformed?

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2467267]Thanks for your props, man. As for your suggestion, it's a good one, but if it takes that much effort, then I'm going to cut bait. If this doesn't work out, then I'm going back to screwing lonely old housewives. And, of course, also go back to explicit P4 P.[/QUOTE]I think you know that you are in the part of the world where rich men can have many wives and families, even publicly. You need to figure out how that works and not accidentally Americanize them.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2467991]I think you know that you are in the part of the world where rich men can have many wives and families, even publicly. You need to figure out how that works and not accidentally Americanize them.[/QUOTE]The funny thing is that last night she actually tossed the following idea to me: I give her enough money each month so that she can quit her job.

I am guessing that she was joking. She's a funny person.

However, if she were being serious, I actually know the market prices of mistresses in Shanghai. At the low end, they are looking for an apartment, that goes for about $600 per month, and a monthly allowance of about $900 per month.

I already spend at least $1500 per month on this hobby for most months. But I am hesitant to lock into a one-year contract with anyone. I say "one-year" because that's how long a typical lease runs. Sure, I could get out of the lease early, but then I'd lose the deposit, which is equivalent to 2 month's rent. And, I would have to see her at least twice per week to make this worth it financially, and I can't see myself remaining interested in anyone if I see them that frequently.

So, I am hoping that she will remain a PPM arrangement.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2468063]
So, I am hoping that she will remain a PPM arrangement.[/QUOTE]Please stay on PPM. Keep her keen and not let her get too comfortable. We all know the quality soon drops.

So I am finally getting a chance to see local girl Alexis later this week. She claims to be a newbie but she is 25 and I see her on SA often. So not completely sure. Three weeks ago I described what I was looking for (without being explicit of course) and after a couple days of what I thought might be ghosting she was back on (but no explicit acknowledgement of the discussion nor $$.

Since that time it's been great light chat — she checks in on me or me on her every other day or so. And we have been planning a lunchtime meetup.

As you guys know I am the king of the on-the-road single night SA hookup. But this is that dicey at home without corporate hotel situation. I am definitely NOT booking in advance. But should I go for the strong "end up at hotel" frame or the "let's just meetup" frame. I am inclined to the latter but have not done this often and the one time I did it I did not close the deal (partly due to other circumstances).

So looking for some thoughts on approach:

1. Chat ahead by text and agree particulars of $$.

2. Just meetup and go with the flow — if she is DTF book hotel last minute?

3. Just meetup with clear no sex frame?

And if 3 discuss room and allowance in person? (How do you broach this?) or just have a great time and take next steps like hotel and $$ by text?

All thoughts welcome. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2468196]So I am finally getting a chance to see local girl Alexis later this week. She claims to be a newbie but she is 25 and I see her on SA often. So not completely sure. Three weeks ago I described what I was looking for (without being explicit of course) and after a couple days of what I thought might be ghosting she was back on (but no explicit acknowledgement of the discussion nor $$.

Since that time it's been great light chat she checks in on me or me on her every other day or so. And we have been planning a lunchtime meetup.

As you guys know I am the king of the on-the-road single night SA hookup. But this is that dicey at home without corporate hotel situation. I am definitely NOT booking in advance. But should I go for the strong "end up at hotel" frame or the "let's just meetup" frame. I am inclined to the latter but have not done this often and the one time I did it I did not close the deal (partly due to other circumstances).

So looking for some thoughts on approach:

1. Chat ahead by text and agree particulars of $$.

2. Just meetup and go with the flow if she is DTF book hotel last minute?

3. Just meetup with clear no sex frame?

And if 3 discuss room and allowance in person? (How do you broach this?) or just have a great time and take next steps like hotel and $$ by text?

All thoughts welcome. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I would go with the flow. Sound like she is still unsure about the process. Booking a room at the last moment is usually no problem, but I would check around in advance. Pick a fun activity and ask if she would like to go to your hotel room later if the moment seems right. You are a pro, so you know how to flirt. If she says yes, you can slip out to the restroom and make the reservation. Ask to have to have paperwork ready or online check in. BTW, have you ever had a girl in a room who just decided she was not DTF? Unless there is an agreed to price, that is always a possibility. What do you normally talk about on a meetup? It seems like it can get awkward.

[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2466811]Nounce,

This sounds like something to be on the lookout for. Thanks for sharing! Mongers, using our guidelines that we have set forth numerous times, none of us on this thread should fall victim to this kind of scam. TBH, if a girl is making 43 k rolex money, and has the dough to buy a Porsche, then I'd be curious why she would be looking for an SD. It sounds like she is successful already, and simply has to continue doing what she is doing. Looking to bang a guy for a couple bucks (when she's not in need) doesn't fit the MO.

2 questions for you.

Were these all asian girls?
Were they east or west coast girls (I'm assuming they were in the US)?[/QUOTE]In my case, the girls were on Tinder, so not necessarily pretending to look for a SD. And it's interesting. Nounce mentions $40,000. Mine also said she had just made $40,000 currency trading that day. So I suggested she could pay for our lunch date, in Paris. Then she started mocking me about not being smart enough to do foreign exchange day trading, which I readily admit I am not. Nor are most people who try it! But clearly she was trying to goad me into manning up and investing with her.

It's not clear where these women are. Some are clearly working from an Asian base and might even admit to being in China, but they will be coming to (your city) soon. Others claim to live in your city, but are temporarily out of town, and for some reason cannot respond to questions about things in your city. So where they claim to be and where they are are two different things.

[QUOTE=GentlemanTravel;2468263]In my case, the girls were on Tinder, so not necessarily pretending to look for a SD. And it's interesting. Nounce mentions $40,000. Mine also said she had just made $40,000 currency trading that day. So I suggested she could pay for our lunch date, in Paris. Then she started mocking me about not being smart enough to do foreign exchange day trading, which I readily admit I am not. Nor are most people who try it! But clearly she was trying to goad me into manning up and investing with her.

It's not clear where these women are. Some are clearly working from an Asian base and might even admit to being in China, but they will be coming to (your city) soon. Others claim to live in your city, but are temporarily out of town, and for some reason cannot respond to questions about things in your city. So where they claim to be and where they are are two different things.[/QUOTE]I had four or five of those contacts recently, took me a while to figure out what they are up to. Two had Asian numbers (claiming to be in Hongkong), two had UK numbers. One chat (going over four or five days) finally made obvious what she was up to: She said she is a crypto currency trader in London, working with BTCA. She seemed to be ready to take it slow, as we came to the subject quite patiently. Finally when she started to deflect all other topics she lost her temper, called me a "stupid stock market guy" and left the conversation. In the beginning she spoke about planning a trip to Rome and therefore checking out my profile. Same for the other girls: they are all coming to Europe, supposedly. Contact was made on SA.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2468196]
And if 3 discuss room and allowance in person? (How do you broach this?) or just have a great time and take next steps like hotel and $$ by text?

All thoughts welcome. Thanks.[/QUOTE]In my local area, hotel vacancy rates are extreme. It's easy to get walk-in bookings. Do your research for a hotel close to where you are meeting. I did this with a girl about 6 weeks ago. We met for coffee, had to sit in the car due to lock down, as we were nearing the end of our coffee and things were going well then I said let's go to a hotel. I did the hotel reception part while she waited in the car nursing the remaining drops of her coffee.

Maybe you could ask 'if she has any expectations for your hotel visit?

Another time I have send the girl a text message while I was out to the bathroom. Girls also find the money topic awkward, so the text gives her an easy way also.

Enjoy your adventure. It doesn't have to be too hard.

PP.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2468196]

1. Chat ahead by text and agree particulars of $$.

2. Just meetup and go with the flow if she is DTF book hotel last minute?

3. Just meetup with clear no sex frame?

And if 3 discuss room and allowance in person? (How do you broach this?) or just have a great time and take next steps like hotel and $$ by text?

All thoughts welcome. Thanks.[/QUOTE]When I was briefly based in the states, I lived in shared corporate housing, so I couldn't bring girls back to my place, so I had to make this decision every time I met a new SB. I learned from experience that booking the hotel ahead of time, my usage rate was only about 20% (this means I only ended up at the hotel with her 20% of the time, the other 80% I didn't use it either because she flaked on the date or because she was not DTF on the first date, and there was even one time where she was not anywhere near as pretty or bubbly in person as she was on the site, so I was not DTF, LOL). I realized that this was a huge waste of money, because hotels in my city are at least $200 per night.

I did have one date where chemistry was great and then we decided to go to a hotel. I used an app to book it, no problem. But when we arrived, I had to collect the keys at the front desk. This took 10 minutes, and it was awkward. Plus, the hotel manager kept saying my name out loud. Maybe if I were to do this again, I would tell the girl to go to the hotel bar and get us a couple of drinks and wait for me there while I got the keys.

But based on my experience, I would just do 3. I did this a lot. We meet, have a good time. And then toward the end of the date, I would just ask what she was hoping to find on SA. Sometimes we agreed on a deal on the spot. Sometimes I would say that I would have to think about it. I had many great arrangements from doing this. It just required a bit of patience. One bonus possibility from doing 3 is that she might have a place of her own that you guys can go back to. I hooked up with a few girls this way. It made me a little nervous though. So, I would always tell the girl that before I enter any place, I am going to text her exact address to my friend, in case she had thugs waiting to beat me up. I always said this with a smile, and she would laugh and say, "sure, go ahead, I totally understand."

I've been trying to see if I can meet recruit a SB without resorting to SA. Maybe it's just a prejudice or my imagination, but I am concerned that girls off SA will be too professional or expect too much $$ I am kind of a "Sugar Daddy Lite".

Anyway, I live in a mid-sized American city, with a couple of universities. In the past (3+ years ago), I just placed ads on Backpage or Craigslist and found it relatively easy to connect with an attractive coed for $200 - $300 per meeting. And these were real, "normal" girls, who for the most part, had not done this before. However, those days of using CL or BP are gone.

So I ended up trying Tinder and Bumble, based on the advice of one of my previous SBs (who unfortunately had to go back to her home country). I hadn't really considered Tinder because, while it works great for me in foreign (developing) countries, I assumed it would not be so good for a 50++ man in an American city. The dynamics are just completely different. Also, I didn't know you could put up a profile without using a face photo, but you can. Of course, this is of no value if you are looking for regular dates (who's going to click on a profile with no photo?) but I use a business avatar photo with the legend "Daddy Seeking Baby Girl".

This was permitted on Tinder, but on Bumble I still had to submit a face photo, which I cannot do in my home town. I tried to use a lookalike celebrity photo, to give the girls some clue how I looked, but that kept getting screened out. I guess they have bots that search those things. Eventually I found a suitable non-descript photo that was acceptable to Bumble's bot. In addition to the legend on the photo in my description I mentioned I was looking for a mutually beneficial relationship, but did not us words like "generous" or "$$$" I don't know how explicit you can be. But ex-SB said I should be more direct because these days some girls might read "mutually beneficial" same as "friends with benefits" meaning we both get sex out of it, but not necessarily a financial incentive.

In the two weeks or so of doing this I have had a handful of responses, some reasonably direct about compensation. Generally I have not been too aggressive or direct in my responses on the theory that these girls are not escorts and some may be shy talking about money. Ex-SB thinks I'm wrong and need to close the deal more quickly before the girls get swamped with other messages, as they tend to on Tinder.

At first I was getting almost no interest on Bumble, which you may know is different in that the girl has to make the first contact. So you're kind of helpless there. But then, after two weeks, I suddenly got a small crop of responses there and at least two excellent prospects. I have now met with those two prospects who are basically a 7 (okay cute, big tits but also not slender) and an 8 (pretty and slender but modest tits). I've had explicit discussions with them about expectations about prices and service (BBBJ) and we've agreed on $250 per meeting, which I think is a pretty good price and may eventually include them hosting. The 8 has had SDs before but the 7 has not.

I have not test-driven either of them yet, just had drinks on a patio, but should bag one later this week and the other early next week. So I will see how this all works out. And GOD, it's a relief from the boredom of lockdown!

Oh, and after I had connected with both these Bumble girls off-line, my profile on Bumble got tagged and taken down. Now I am shut out of that particular honey-pot. So it's a good thing I migrated off the site when I did!

[QUOTE=GentlemanTravel;2468484]I've been trying to see if I can meet recruit a SB without resorting to SA. Maybe it's just a prejudice or my imagination, but I am concerned that girls off SA will be too professional or expect too much $$ I am kind of a "Sugar Daddy Lite".

Anyway, I live in a mid-sized American city, with a couple of universities. In the past (3+ years ago), I just placed ads on Backpage or Craigslist and found it relatively easy to connect with an attractive coed for $200 - $300 per meeting. And these were real, "normal" girls, who for the most part, had not done this before. However, those days of using CL or BP are gone.

So I ended up trying Tinder and Bumble, based on the advice of one of my previous SBs (who unfortunately had to go back to her home country). I hadn't really considered Tinder because, while it works great for me in foreign (developing) countries, I assumed it would not be so good for a 50++ man in an American city. The dynamics are just completely different. Also, I didn't know you could put up a profile without using a face photo, but you can. Of course, this is of no value if you are looking for regular dates (who's going to click on a profile with no photo?) but I use a business avatar photo with the legend "Daddy Seeking Baby Girl".

This was permitted on Tinder, but on Bumble I still had to submit a face photo, which I cannot do in my home town. I tried to use a lookalike celebrity photo, to give the girls some clue how I looked, but that kept getting screened out. I guess they have bots that search those things. Eventually I found a suitable non-descript photo that was acceptable to Bumble's bot. In addition to the legend on the photo in my description I mentioned I was looking for a mutually beneficial relationship, but did not us words like "generous" or "$$$" I don't know how explicit you can be. But ex-SB said I should be more direct because these days some girls might read "mutually beneficial" same as "friends with benefits" meaning we both get sex out of it, but not necessarily a financial incentive.

In the two weeks or so of doing this I have had a handful of responses, some reasonably direct about compensation. Generally I have not been too aggressive or direct in my responses on the theory that these girls are not escorts and some may be shy talking about money. Ex-SB thinks I'm wrong and need to close the deal more quickly before the girls get swamped with other messages, as they tend to on Tinder.

At first I was getting almost no interest on Bumble, which you may know is different in that the girl has to make the first contact. So you're kind of helpless there. But then, after two weeks, I suddenly got a small crop of responses there and at least two excellent prospects. I have now met with those two prospects who are basically a 7 (okay cute, big tits but also not slender) and an 8 (pretty and slender but modest tits). I've had explicit discussions with them about expectations about prices and service (BBBJ) and we've agreed on $250 per meeting, which I think is a pretty good price and may eventually include them hosting. The 8 has had SDs before but the 7 has not.

I have not test-driven either of them yet, just had drinks on a patio, but should bag one later this week and the other early next week. So I will see how this all works out. And GOD, it's a relief from the boredom of lockdown!

Oh, and after I had connected with both these Bumble girls off-line, my profile on Bumble got tagged and taken down. Now I am shut out of that particular honey-pot. So it's a good thing I migrated off the site when I did![/QUOTE]I tried Bumble for a bit but struggled with all the same things as you. Waste of time. Your perception of SA is WRONG tho. Yes plenty of pros on there. Easy to screen out. Also find SB virgins. And a lot in between. No shortage of non-pro and semi-pro girls. But thanks for the Insights. Very interesting.

[QUOTE=GentlemanTravel;2468263]Mine also said she had just made $40,000 currency trading that day.[/QUOTE]Yeah, right before she lost $50,000.

[QUOTE=GentlemanTravel;2468263]But clearly she was trying to goad me into manning up and investing with her.[/QUOTE]This is right out of the Imarkets live hand book, an Amway type organization for trading currencies. They put up pictures of all their fabulous wealth and locations they have been to, and all these chicas have zero in their bank account. I do not care how hot a chick is if she is with that organization I will bail. They will spend all day hawking their shit. They will claim not to be hookers, but they are the worst hookers there are.

Multilevel marketing companies are a magnet for narcissists. If any chick mentions any MLM, my advice is run Forest run.