Seeking Arrangements

[QUOTE=Hhann;3025510]Am now convinced It is seldom luck finding such rare gems looking for genuine connection and a lust formation, 'forgetting' the money element for at least one meeting.

That is the sole reason I quit Seeking.[/QUOTE]With respect, you're off base on this one. Seeking is paying substantially younger girls, who you would never have access to in the real world, to sleep with you on the first date and then continue to do so if all goes well.

You might find genuine connection and the girl forgetting the money element (as you said) but if you're looking for that, you're going to be sorely disappointed time and again and this isn't for you.

I know men and women aren't the same but imagine being a 22 year old man and a 55 year old woman wants you to take her to bed, but is disappointed if you're not really into it. It's not really fair to expect a girl to not only sugar with you, but she must also be so into you that you get a genuine connections and she forgets the money element. In what world? It's possible. It even happens at times, depending on you and your style. But to expect it of these girls is silly.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;3025710]I know men and women aren't the same but imagine being a 22 year old man and a 55 year old woman wants you to take her to bed, but is disappointed if you're not really into it. It's not really fair to expect a girl to not only sugar with you, but she must also be so into you that you get a genuine connections and she forgets the money element. In what world? It's possible. It even happens at times, depending on you and your style. But to expect it of these girls is silly.[/QUOTE]I guess the point I was trying to make was not understood.

Not all connections man or women make are aimed for 'bed'.

I personally would like to splurge on a woman, but I prefer that woman willing to invest her time for a session (for E. G a dinner / cafe meet at my own expense) to see if there is commitment to sustain long term mutual connection leading to attraction, which may or may not lead to bed. Mutual consent & attraction is humane, outside of money, religion or morals. Why would otherwise anyone pay $110 for subs?

My point was, such profiles meeting my requirements were rare, and that makes Seeking an online platform for pros & wannabe / semi pros a platform to make quick bucks by selling their time. Hence I quit.

Seeking themselves appears to have understood this online conundrum, hence requiring men to be not just premium members but diamond members to get response, what an irony in the premium business model itself.

My advice to anyone seeking a genuine no-strings attached connection, ditch online dating and hit a club or exhibition venue of your interest.

[QUOTE=Hhann;3025865]I guess the point I was trying to make was not understood.

Not all connections man or women make are aimed for 'bed'.

My point was, such profiles meeting my requirements were rare, and that makes Seeking an online platform for pros & wannabe / semi pros a platform to make quick bucks by selling their time. Hence I quit.

Seeking themselves appears to have understood this online conundrum, hence requiring men to be not just premium members but diamond members to get response, what an irony in the premium business model itself.

My advice to anyone seeking a genuine no-strings attached connection, ditch online dating and hit a club or exhibition venue of your interest.[/QUOTE]That depends on when and where. Hhahn. Seeking follows the basic pattern of any new forum: innovators, imitators, and idiots. In 2019, on seeking, the USA was the land of idiots. The quality was way down, and seeking was a waste of time. Mexico was the land of imitators then, and Colombia was the land of innovators as many of the women I had seen were on their first dates. I got off in 2021, and I can say that I think Colombia was slowly moving into the land of imitators by then.

So I do not mind someone saying seeking was worthless for you. It was for me in the USA in 2019 but I would be careful of writing it off totally.

Quality women flock in at times of economic distress. Seeking was great in the Great Recession and it was golden in Latin countries during the pandemic. Instead of writing it off totally, I would just keep your powder dry.

[QUOTE=VanessasClient;3024435]600 SGD is over 460 USD at the current exchange rate. For me, no fucking way man, I can stay home in the USA get similar prices without flying half way across the world. But, to each his own.[/QUOTE]Depending on where you live in the US, cost of living in Singapore is 1. 5-5 x.

In addition, there is no chance of being busted.

And, no one goes traveling to singapore to meet girls. You go there for work. You meet girls for fun.

Slightly off topic, but one of the highest profile influencer gurus has met her fate. Touting herself as a psychologist and relationship coach, she was selling dating advice to men for the equivalent of $8,000 USD. Justice does drop by often on earth, but occasionally it does. I wonder how many sex workers the guys who paid for her counseling could have hired with the money they spent.

[URL]https://youtu.be/KumoXs8IZRI?feature=shared[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3026119]That depends on when and where. Hhahn. Seeking follows the basic pattern of any new forum: innovators, imitators, and idiots. In 2019, on seeking, the USA was the land of idiots. The quality was way down, and seeking was a waste of time. Mexico was the land of imitators then, and Colombia was the land of innovators as many of the women I had seen were on their first dates. I got off in 2021, and I can say that I think Colombia was slowly moving into the land of imitators by then.

So I do not mind someone saying seeking was worthless for you. It was for me in the USA in 2019 but I would be careful of writing it off totally.

Quality women flock in at times of economic distress. Seeking was great in the Great Recession and it was golden in Latin countries during the pandemic. Instead of writing it off totally, I would just keep your powder dry.[/QUOTE]Agree 100% with this. I tried Seeking in the USA 2013-2014 and had a few great dates with amazing girls. None of them progressed as I thought they wanted too much and I travelled a lot, so couldn't rectify the monthly allowance. However, I did try Seeking at that time ex-US in Colombia and Panama for P4 P dates, and OMG. Not so many girls then, but majority total smoke shows and they desperately wanted a man. It was hard for me to get the condom on before they initiated and I did bareback a few times with morning sex.

[QUOTE=VanessasClient;3024686].......The real problem in the USA, is that most women, .... have turned the dating market into a capitalist scenario. Capitalism might have some advantages in an economic system, but for the dating market, it's horrific conundrum beyond any measure, but most especially for men. Women, delusional or not, know what they want, but they are struggling to get it.

...... I would have this to say to all of the "little rats" that we call the typical American women: You might spend your entire life searching for perfection, only to discover just prior to death that you never found it. I think it's a little too late to turn back if you are 80 years old and laying in a hospital bed, waiting for fade to black. That's because you were searching for the wrong thing the whole time. *sticks tongue out in utter disrespect*.[/QUOTE]Preach brother. I see this with many of my female friends. I also sense it with the younger American women that I date for a bit, but who fall off. Obviously they're looking for 'perfection,' and while I check many boxes, I am still north of 40 and they want a younger guy who still has the money, etc.

Guys, they are no longer making OneVanillas. Dammit. I've tried a few other cards. The blackhawk with the big visa in front. The green dot. The secure spend. None of them works.

Help a guy out here. For a few reasons I can't use my regular credit card. I know this has been discussed before but when I read past posts I don't see anything definitive.

Could someone suggest prepaid cards that work for you? I'm a paying member here and you can DM me if you wish.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;3026207]Preach brother. I see this with many of my female friends. I also sense it with the younger American women that I date for a bit, but who fall off. Obviously they're looking for 'perfection,' and while I check many boxes, I am still north of 40 and they want a younger guy who still has the money, etc.[/QUOTE]I mean think about it for a second, if you were using the same logic they were, you literally would stop at nothing. Last year's world population was estimated to be at 8. 1 billion. Of that total, the estimated male percentage was 50.3% For the purpose of this forum post, let's just say that women have 4,074,300,000 men to choose from.

Well, going by their mindset, they would literally be looking for the single apex of that total number. What kind of woman, or what can of person, for that matter, would not see the final result? Again, for the purpose of this post, let's just pick a relatable example.

Let's say that you choose Elon Musk, for a combination of his fortune, fame, intelligence, and whatever the fuck else led you to believe that was the absolute best choice of over 4 billion men. I don't need to bet if that woman was thinking whether such relationship would last a life time, at the beginning when she hypothetically starts first dating Mr Musk. And the reason I don't need to bet on that, is because I already know the answer.

If Elon is ever found guilty of serious impropriety, and Tesla and all of his other companies go bankrupt, then all the sudden he slides down from being one of the richest men in the word, to maybe now the 80th richest man. Well shit, to one of the women who thinks like this, number 80 is not good enough. Now I'm stuck with a man who has fame, business skills, political connections, and all the rest of the things she thinks will make her "happy", but is no longer in the top 10 of richest men in the world. So what does she do? She divorces musk and moves on to Jeff Bezos instead. Then, when sooner or later, some shit happens with Bezos to make him "imperfect", she dumps him and attempts to move on to Mr Perfect number 3.

What human with an IQ higher than single figures wouldn't see that this vicious cycle is not sustainable? It doesn't even matter if she keeps Elon for life, if he somehow managed to remain "perfect" until death, even though all men experience some degree of decline with age. Some men head down hill more rapidly in their later years than others, but that's not the point. Even if your man somehow managed to remain perfect forever, how the fuck are you going to snag 1 out of over 4 billion, when you've got another 100 million idiot women competing for the same damn perfect man? You wanted monogamy, right? So you don't have to share that man with another woman. So you're going to spend all of your years from the time you are 18, until who knows when, hoping to grab this guy, and prevent him from ever leaving? Great strategy.

And even if a woman managed to pull it off, she'd better be prepared to have her man dump his load in her mouth and pussy multiple times a day, every single day. Because we've already seen what happens if she doesn't. Then, she gets to be on the receiving end of a Bill Clinton, Tiger Woods, or David Letterman. All of those guys had some of the brightest limelight in their entire industries, and they were willing to risk it all, simply because their woman couldn't keep them satisfied. Plus, "perfect" men have so many women to choose from, that they can walk away from their current partner, and have a massive line of other women standing at their door, waiting for them.

Any logical and rational woman reading this post would realize that chasing perfection is highly counter productive. For no other reason than the fact that you will never be satisfied; nor is it a healthy line of thinking to begin with. I realize this sub forum is mainly meant to be about Seeking, and not dating philosophy. However; I'm willing to bet, that significant number of guys would not resort to using Seeking, were the dating market, most especially in the USA, not a teeming pile of shit!

And come to find out, there's one particular individual who seems to have persuaded a large percentage of women to adopt the "dating capitalist" mindset. A cum guzzler who uses the stage name of Wizard Liz. She attempts to masquerade around as a "former" sugar baby, but I think everyone on ISG knows the truth. She has over 8 million subs on Youtube. Hell, not even Huberman has over 8 million! And here we have an example of people, in this case women, listening to a person, automatically accepting her narrative as being either factual, or well grounded, and basing their life decisions on such narrative. Rather than taking the time to actually think for themselves, and determine on their own if such narrative is worthwhile. They have just another person form their opinions on their behalf. Brilliant!

Oh dear, things seem to have gone awry.

Because you're north of 40, you probably seen this I because you're north of 40, you probably seen this dynamic also, but for the benefit of the other readers.

A lot of my female friends were this way in their 20's and 30's. Not really looking for protection. That's going too far. But they were unrealistic. A girl who was a 5 or 6 would be holding out for someone out of her league. Cue the "men can't handle a strong woman" nonsense.

But now many of my female friends are their 40's or 50's. It's a whole new ballgame. They are downright desperate. Dejected. It's pretty awful to see. One friend is clinging to her "men intimidated by women with advanced degrees" nonsense but she and I know she's just rationalizing why she hasn't been on a proper date in years.

Meanwhile my 50 year old divorced guy friend said if you have a while paying career, aren't fat, and can hold a conversation without being awkward, you're cleaning up on the dating market. That's how rare that is.

[QUOTE=VanessasClient;3026326]I mean think about it for a second, if you were using the same logic they were, you literally would stop at nothing. Last year's world population was estimated to be at 8. 1 billion. Of that total, the estimated male percentage was 50.3% For the purpose of this forum post, let's just say that women have 4,074,300,000 men to choose from.

Well, going by their mindset, they would literally be looking for the single apex of that total number. What kind of woman, or what can of person, for that matter, would not see the final result? Again, for the purpose of this post, let's just pick a relatable example..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=VanessasClient;3026326]Any logical and rational woman reading this post would realize that chasing perfection is highly counter productive. For no other reason than the fact that you will never be satisfied; nor is it a healthy line of thinking to begin with. I realize this sub forum is mainly meant to be about Seeking, and not dating philosophy. However; I'm willing to bet, that significant number of guys would not resort to using Seeking, were the dating market, most especially in the USA, not a teeming pile of shit![/QUOTE]Just my few cents to the above point on rationality.

There is no rationality in mongering. Most men go with gut instincts!

That is why you see some men throwing $50 bills at a woman on a stripclub pole bar, while some thinks she is only worth a buck, not fuck.

Needless to say this. If she is a bird out from her nest, who'd she be looking to sleep with that night?

I always thought women would wise up by their mid 30's but I guess not. Here in Los Angeles, they are older but still think they can have the mentality and compete with the 20 yearolds the level of Delulu is amazing.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;3026628]Because you're north of 40, you probably seen this I because you're north of 40, you probably seen this dynamic also, but for the benefit of the other readers.

A lot of my female friends were this way in their 20's and 30's. Not really looking for protection. That's going too far. But they were unrealistic. A girl who was a 5 or 6 would be holding out for someone out of her league. Cue the "men can't handle a strong woman" nonsense.

But now many of my female friends are their 40's or 50's. It's a whole new ballgame. They are downright desperate. Dejected. It's pretty awful to see. One friend is clinging to her "men intimidated by women with advanced degrees" nonsense but she and I know she's just rationalizing why she hasn't been on a proper date in years.

Meanwhile my 50 year old divorced guy friend said if you have a while paying career, aren't fat, and can hold a conversation without being awkward, you're cleaning up on the dating market. That's how rare that is.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=AmericanPi;3026244]Guys, they are no longer making OneVanillas. Dammit. I've tried a few other cards. The blackhawk with the big visa in front. The green dot. The secure spend. None of them works.

Help a guy out here. For a few reasons I can't use my regular credit card. I know this has been discussed before but when I read past posts I don't see anything definitive.

Could someone suggest prepaid cards that work for you? I'm a paying member here and you can DM me if you wish.[/QUOTE]

Hi folks,

I am heading over the New Orleans / NOLA over the weekend. Any experience mongering in New Orleans? SA seems to have a decent supply, so I started chatting with a few. I am curious if anyone has any experience there and can also share the going rate. Also any other mongering tips? Strip clubs? Massage parlors?

Regardless I will share my experience once back!

[QUOTE=Toastmonger69;3027047]I always thought women would wise up by their mid 30's but I guess not. Here in Los Angeles, they are older but still think they can have the mentality and compete with the 20 yearolds the level of Delulu is amazing.[/QUOTE]I remember how hard it was to date when I was younger and then 30 hit and it was so much easier. But during the difficult times I studied the nature of women and realized getting divorced is just too high of a risk. Plus I like new pussy and hot pussy at that. I'm one of many who are eligible but have decided to go in another direction and never get married. By the time those women realize their mistakes its too late.