Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Matt Psyche;1117147]Is there any list of girlie places in Pattaya for newbies in this forum? Thanks a lot.[/QUOTE]There is a pretty comprehensive list on this website: [url]http://www.pattayagogos.com/[/url]

I have it from an impeccable source (a bargirl) that Soi 6 will be raided by the MiB tonight.

Probably pure bs, but I pass the warning on for what it is worth.

I wouldn't normally touch a Pattaya soapy with a barge-pole, but...

I went to Devil's Den yesterday and discovered that my favourite girl had left and was now working in the above soapy. I went to check it out, and they indeed have a girl by the same name, but she was working so I couldn't see the face. I plan to head back there tonight and see if (a) it is the same girl, and (be) if she is as good as she used to be.

On my last trip while walking along the beach near Beach Road a guy offered to rent me a jet ski. The price was pretty good (I forget how much, maybe 500 for 30 minutes) but since I wasn't dressed for it and wasn't planning on it I passed. I had read that there were common scams where someone would rent a jet ski and then when he brought it back there would be all sorts of damage shown and the renter would be intimidated into giving a few thousand baht to cover the damages.

Without me even mentioning the scams the renter said that he was a local and did not scam renters and would take pictures with me and the jet ski before the rental to ensure that I would not be accused of any damage I did not cause.

Like I said I did not make the rental but thought about this later. Unless I crash it why should I be responsible for any damage? It is his job to keep it in working order not mine. If something falls off how do I know it is my fault and not something already broken and flimsily reattached before I took it out? And while we are on the subject are there the same issues with a scooter rental?

I am just back from a few days in Pattaya. Let me share a few highlights. I stayed at the Tim Boutique Hotel and was pleased with the price, quality of service and location. I would recommend you ask for a room on the front side of the hotel and take ear plugs, just in case it as noisy as the back side. I arrived late on Friday and had planned to go straight to bed but decided on a quick look around. The hotel is just off Second Road near The Avenue. Step out of the Soi, make a right and you are almost in front of Hotties Beer bar. I did and saw a stunning girl in front of the bar on a stool looking very bored. I went past and returned. She claimed to be 19 and that this was her first night on the job. I asked the bar and they confirmed that she was 19 and had I'd. I made her for maybe 15. My Humbert Humbert personality took over. I paid the 300B bar fine and took her to the hotel. She did not have an I'd. The hotel was not pleased, nor was I. I apologized and said I would take her back.

In the Soi she suggested we go to a short time room on Soi Post Office that she just happened to see on this her first day in Pattaya. I agreed. The room was 250, she was 700, for a total of 1250 with the bar fine. Once in the room, she disrobed, took me to the shower, washed me, took me to the bed, and provided a level of sexual satisfaction normally associated with a more mature woman. She did not hesitate with a BBBJ, various positions, and DATY. Her skills said late 20's, she said 19, and her body said 15. We finished with 5 minutes left on the room, quickly washed and hurried down stairs to avoid additional charges. I did not see her again at the bar.

The next day I trolled the Beach Road around 12 noon. I saw 3 possibilities but when I returned they were gone. I realize this is not prime time but I wanted something early in the day. I walked over to Soi Post Office. The Pump House was open and I had always wanted to give a BJ place a try. A nice looking girl told me the package (bar fine, upstairs room, and her fee) would be 875 for BBJ and CIM. I agreed and we went upstairs. I enjoy new sexual adventures but this is one I would not repeat. The girl was not skilled and had trouble understanding the difference between sucking and chewing. I finally had her hold my head in her mouth while I jerked off to the point of climax and then skull fucked her. I may have simply picked the wrong girl. Better luck to you if you stop at the Pump House.

In the evening I was lazy so I walked out to Second Road and made an immediate left into Tim Go Go, same people as the hotel. The 'dancing' girls looked as excited as someone watching paint dry. A guy tossed a wad of 20 B bills on the stage for the only excitement of the evening. The rock videos were nice but when Axl Rose is more appealing than the dancing girls then you are in a true dead zone. I decided to take Sa, a hostess, back to the hotel. The cost of being lazy was 600 to the bar and 1000 to her. She was outstanding. She was probably early 30s, a firm body, and a good understanding of how to give a high quality GFE. She asked to stay but I told her I was a bad butterfly. She gave me a full body massage and asked again. Same answer. We had a nice 2 ½-3 hours with BBBJ and two intense ejaculations.

On day 3 I checked out Sunee Plaza, Boyztown, and some ladyboy bars before opening time and then walked over to the Beach Road. I have a wide range of sexual interests. I only saw one girl and I should have taken her. She was gone when I returned. In the evening, I checked out the Walking Street. What a change from 10 years ago. I thought I was in the Las Vegas of sex. Maybe I am getting old but I liked the old Walking Street better. I went back to Second Road for a foot massage and was in bed by 12 midnight. I wish I had not wasted the day.

On day 4, I went to Soi Yamato to visit two ladyboy bars. Both La Bamba and Stringfellows A Go Go were well stocked. I liked one near the La Bamba entrance. She said for 700, including the upstairs room, I could do anything I liked. So I did. After giving her a hard ass fucking, I exploded in her mouth. I realize ladyboys are not for everyone but it was on my bucket list and Pattaya is for doing what you like.

My 5 days were gone far too quickly and I had a late taxi to Bangkok. I trolled the Beach Road one last time. I found a tall girl from Sri Lanka with a rich brown skin the color of café latte. She had huge breasts that I had not really noticed under her native dress. Her skin was soft like velvet. She asked for 1000. I am sure she would have gone for less just to get out of the heat. She spent some 3 hours with me giving me a BBBJ with no hint from me. We finished DS and my too brief trip was over.

[QUOTE=Edward M; 1117274]I had read that there were common scams where someone would rent a jet ski and then when he brought it back there would be all sorts of damage shown and the renter would be intimidated into giving a few thousand baht to cover the damages.

Like I said I did not make the rental but thought about this later. Unless I crash it why should I be responsible for any damage? It is his job to keep it in working order not mine. If something falls off how do I know it is my fault and not something already broken and flimsily reattached before I took it out? And while we are on the subject are there the same issues with a scooter rental? [/QUOTE]They showed that scam when the series Big Trouble in Thailand aired. A marine had rented one and the shore patrol guy had to come get him out of trouble. Before he showed up the guy had already offered an amount to the scammer so shore patrol told him to go ahead and give him the money and drop it. I think he had gotten him for about US$300. The scammer had taken out a shot gun and was threatening him.

First, you always want to thoroughly inspect the craft before accepting it. Second, I always rent from the same person to avoid these things. Once my wingman was riding and the left side of the handle bars had completely broken off at a point about 7 inches from the end. As you said why should someone who is renting for half an hour be responsible for normal wear and tear? But I guess that is Thailand. He ended up rigging it to stay attached long enough for us to get out of there and not be blamed for it.

Another time we were riding and my engine would not start. The helper came out and told me to get on with my wingman to go back to shore. When I pulled myself up his flipped over. I got back on and the helper told my wingman to pull himself up on the back. Well he is over 300 pounds and when he tried it the bar he was holding on to broke and we turned over once again. The helper ended up having to tow him back to the shore while he was in the water holding onto a strap on the bottom rear of the jet ski. Joom wanted us to pay 500 baht for the handle but I told her that it was her helper who told him to try to get on that way so we are not paying anything extra. There was no bad blood between us because she knows I will be back again and again and will bring friends.

As far as scooter rentals, I have neither experienced nor heard of any scams. But for that as well I usually use the same people too. You can buy a new one for about US$1500, but I heard that you can get a used one at the auction for about US$300. I'm thinking about exploring that option because right now I pay US$100 / month to rent one.

[QUOTE=Allwayson1;1117327]On day 4, I went to Soi Yamato to visit two ladyboy bars....[/QUOTE]Dude. You are NOT supposed to report on ladyboys on this forum in the fashion that you have just done in your post. That is a big NoNo. I suspect Jackson will be deleting your post very soon.

[QUOTE=Allwayson1;1117327]In the evening, I checked out the Walking Street. What a change from 10 years ago. I thought I was in the Las Vegas of sex.[/QUOTE]That is exactly how I describe Walking Street to people. It's like the Las Vegas strip but without the gambling.

[QUOTE=Allwayson1; 1117327]On day 4, I went to Soi Yamato to visit two ladyboy bars. Both La Bamba and Stringfellows A Go Go were well stocked. I liked one near the La Bamba entrance. She said for 700, including the upstairs room, I could do anything I liked. So I did. After giving her a hard ass fucking, I exploded in her mouth. I realize ladyboys are not for everyone but it was on my bucket list and Pattaya is for doing what you like.[/QUOTE]Hahahah I for one don't have any problem with his post- I would not pay a ladyboy that much for anything and they are usualy drug addicted and will steel anything not nailed down, but to each his own.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1117410]That is exactly how I describe Walking Street to people. It's like the Las Vegas strip but without the gambling.[/QUOTE]Or the cars. Or the glitzy hotels. But with bars. ANd cheap beer. And lots of Thai bargirls. And open-air discos.

Are you being serious? :)

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1117403]They showed that scam when the series Big Trouble in Thailand aired. A marine had rented one and the shore patrol guy had to come get him out of trouble. Before he showed up the guy had already offered an amount to the scammer so shore patrol told him to go ahead and give him the money and drop it. I think he had gotten him for about US$300. The scammer had taken out a shot gun and was threatening him.[/QUOTE]Remember that prog (and putting a big mental tick in the 'don't rent jet ski's in Thailand' box) but didn't that incident happen in Phuket rather than Pattaya?

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1117406]Dude. You are NOT supposed to report on ladyboys on this forum in the fashion that you have just done in your post. That is a big NoNo. I suspect Jackson will be deleting your post very soon.[/QUOTE]

True, but it was an entertaining report (and we are all big boys here, after all) plus we all know that many normal hetero guys try it for the experience, whilst in town.

Jackson will delete, but only if an offended member reports it.

Often it's not possible to inspect the jet ski because it's sitting in the water, and most of the typical kinds of damage would occur under the water line. In Phuket at least, the jet ski scam is rife. Saw more undercover tv reports of it again recently, some Aussie tour groups that got hit for thousands. They hadn't crashed or anything. It was 100% pure scam. The J. J. Incident on Big Trouble in Thailand, pretty sure the soldier agreed to an amount much larger than just $300. The British military's policy is to order its soldiers not to rent any jet skis, period. I tend to agree.

While there was a big thing about it back when that Big Trouble tv show aired (over a year ago) , promises were made by Phuket's local govt to clamp down. You can guess how that turned out.

So yes that was Phuket. I don't know if the same scam is run in Pattaya or elsewhere -- my desire to rent a jet ski just doesn't top my fear of being scammed for thousands of dollars by some criminal. Not worth the risk, not anywhere.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1117403]They showed that scam when the series Big Trouble in Thailand aired. A marine had rented one and the shore patrol guy had to come get him out of trouble. Before he showed up the guy had already offered an amount to the scammer so shore patrol told him to go ahead and give him the money and drop it. I think he had gotten him for about US$300. The scammer had taken out a shot gun and was threatening him.

First, you always want to thoroughly inspect the craft before accepting it. Second, I always rent from the same person to avoid these things. Once my wingman was riding and the left side of the handle bars had completely broken off at a point about 7 inches from the end. As you said why should someone who is renting for half an hour be responsible for normal wear and tear? But I guess that is Thailand. He ended up rigging it to stay attached long enough for us to get out of there and not be blamed for it. [/QUOTE]

BTW, from [url]http://www.andrew-drummond.com/2010/10/12/phuket-jet-ski-frauds-the-real-truth/[/url]

[quote]Gavin Hill, who faced allegations made to police by JJ (who was subsequently arrested for extorting 35,000 Baht of the Royal Marines) that he had set up an earlier incident with the Royal Marines, who were seen to be held at gunpoint, today released more footage obtained during the filming of ‘Big Trouble in Thailand’ as the controversy raged across Thai TV stations.[/quote]Also came across some other incidents where JJ got much more from other scam victims (including a group of US marines on R&R). Here's one from this past week: [url]http://phuketwan.com/tourism/aussies-ripped-phuket-jet-ski-scam-13571/[/url] (for 56,000 baht - and not JJ on this one)

In Pattaya now a days most of the Jet Ski scams victims seems to be Indians. Its no use going to main Pattaya police station and complaining or even going to the mayor or even Bangkok. The money trail goes to big mafia's and politicians. If they want, they could clear these thugs in couple of hours. The very reason they are allowed to operate is they are paying 50% of the loot to higher up authorities to look other way.

Those who operate the scams are no bodies, there strings are pulled from higher ups. Pattaya police seems to spend there resource and energy on non-existent drugs and 350+ police raids on Soi 6 bars. What is making them move across few meters down the road and busting these thugs.

I don't think its ever going to stop with words, unless these thugs mess with a wrong guy one day and in his outrage he takes his 9mm and shoots 5 in their head.

[QUOTE=Starchild2012; 1117628]In Pattaya now a days most of the Jet Ski scams victims seems to be Indians. Its no use going to main Pattaya police station and complaining or even going to the mayor or even Bangkok. The money trail goes to big mafia's and politicians. If they want, they could clear these thugs in couple of hours. The very reason they are allowed to operate is they are paying 50% of the loot to higher up authorities to look other way.

Those who operate the scams are no bodies, there strings are pulled from higher ups. Pattaya police seems to spend there resource and energy on non-existent drugs and 350+ police raids on Soi 6 bars. What is making them move across few meters down the road and busting these thugs.

I don't think its ever going to stop with words, unless these thugs mess with a wrong guy one day and in his outrage he takes his 9mm and shoots 5 in their head. [/QUOTE]That Drummond actually says some things along these lines in his report on that same site..that basically it's rich higherups running the whole thing, and we just see the cashiers who deal with the live customers. Obviously investigation isn't going to be done by Thai journalists, it's left to us. But can't be that hard to follow the money with a bit of clever detective work and questioning. Some smarter investigation of the actual scammers could easliy be done. For example, have someone play the gullible tourist and show up, and actually inspect the jetski (on hidden camera) and identify the 'damage' before taking the jet ski out, with the operator acknowledging the damage on camera. Then have a colleague sit nearby on the beach waiting for the first victim to arrive and show them actually accusing the new person of causing that same damage, not long after they've already acknowledged that the same damage was there on camera, before this customer ever arrived. And monitor the place. I'm sure these operators themselves are the ones who actually inflict the 'damage'. So it means they probaby wouldn't really go do the repair at all. So showing them renting out the same jetski after they've received payment for this damage, it's a pretty open and shut case what they're doing.

Can follow the money trail easily enough. Surely the JJ types would let out who they work for after a few drinks. Then arrange an interview with the big shot on some pretense and surprise him on camera with the real evidence you've dug up for his 'reaction' (probably ending the interview and running away. Post on youtube, the end. Massive loss of face for the prick. Similar type questioning for the governor in charge who's really trying to let them get away with this and give them cover. Enough rounds of this and then we might see change.

That Big Trouble episode is the kind of thing Thailand needs a lot more of. But it needs more effective journalism. Dots actually connected, the real players shamed on camera (not just the JJ's).

Another angle to work this would be for many people to complain to their hotels, an email and in person complaint campaign. If enough noise happens, coupled with visitor numbers dropping drastically, that might finally have some effect.

I'm surprised one of these groups of marines haven't organized themselves and pulled an all out attack on these guys yet. They could easily overcome their numbers. I don't think Thailand wants an international incident (with their mafia underlings in shooting foreign soldiers) being sparked by stupid little jetski scams.