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[QUOTE=EasyIslandLife;3031768]Overall, I got a GFE, just not the one I was expecting. The make up sex was great, but the fighting and general lack of affection was not. Other than the first night, there were no BJs and minimal DFK.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a wife. Short term would be better.
Personal advice: don't chase kids who steal your phone. Even if the kid is only 7 or 8 years old, they could still be armed. And if not, he could have rode his bike back to his home, where his family or "fellow neighbors" would have been waiting.
Buy a cheap phone, it doesn't have to be a "burner" phone. You can get service from your real provider with an additional number / line for 1 month. There's a little bit less privacy that way, but also consider that some burner phone providers don't offer international 4 G roaming. It's definitely a bigger risk when going bare, because if she gets pregnant, she can potentially track you down.
Without making this an overly broad insult, a lot of these girls have some serious mental issues, and are not very intelligent. Sure, there are exceptions, but not very many. Some of these women are incredibly volatile, often changing their mind from day to day. And many are simply outright crazy. Also, some would score in the very low percentile if administered an IQ test. Just keep in mind that selfishness rules at the end of the day.
I've gotten it on with more than 80 sex workers, and I'd only say about 3 of them were truly trustworthy. Another 4 or so weren't dishonest per se, but they also eventually became defensive.
Biggest lesson. Just because someone keeps their word a couple of times, or maybe even a few times in a row, doesn't mean that pattern will continue indefinitely. I had a girl try to backstab me in August, and I had been in contact with her for over a year. I'd say in order to have significant trust that you won't be betrayed, then I really think you need to make it past the 2 year mark, with consistent behavior that's frequently demonstrated.
Principles I live by:
1: Try your best not to share any identifiable details, such as your birthday, place you went to high school, and things of this nature. And if you ever need to, only the minimum necessary.
2. Never advance money itself. I've sent cars to pick girls up before, but I no longer advance funds.
3. Try to be vague about your personal life, particularly anything related to your career, if you have one. If pressed for specifics, lie if you can.
If you want to engage in conversations, then I recommend less risky topics like talking about pets, hobbies, sports, music etc. If you find yourself getting seriously attached to someone, then rewire your brain to break that problem. Unless you are prepared to bid all of your chips, and accept the potential repercussions.
Side note: you can pay Brazilians by Wise directly to their PIX account. I'm reluctant to do this these days because then they may have access to your full legal name (violating a rule I just mentioned, especially if you go bareback). But if you prefer not to mess around with exchanging dollars for reais, it is potential option. But, if you don't mind taking the risk, and would rather finance your endeavors while collecting reward points, who am I to tell you not to?
[QUOTE=EasyIslandLife;3031768]Day 1. In case the first date went badly, I spent 3 hours of the afternoon with a GDP I found online. I then went looking for flowers and chocolates and ended up at a flower shop where I'm pretty sure I got the gringo price and ended up spending R300 for a dozen roses, so I skipped the chocolates. I met my SB at a Korean restaurant for dinner and soju. I ended up with a pretty (although not as DDG as her photoshopped pictures) mulatto, 5'1", 88 lbs, long black hair, tiny fit spinner with soft skin, beautiful round natural be cups, a waist so small I could almost get my hands around it and a well shaped small bunda. I'll call her M. 27 years old, divorced after 5 years of marriage and one previous SD. Working multiple jobs, I'm going to guess all pretty low paying with no degrees, she is into older guys (her ex husband was 16 years her senior) because she is looking for a provider. At the restaurant, we used Google Translate for conversation, knocked back a couple of bottles of soju, then there was reluctance to go back to my hotel because she was tired. After some coaxing, back at the hotel, she was a bit shy, but talking led to DFK and then 2nd base on the couch. I stupidly did not follow the exulted senior members advice of the 48 hour rule and purchased her plane tickets to join me on my trip for the next week. As a result, I had to cancel my other SB meeting in Rio and boy was that SB ever pissed. I'm not sure how M talked me into it, but after she got comfortable with that body and her hand on my cock, the credit card came out and the next thing I knew I had spent R5000 on 3 plane tickets for her. While she was in the bathroom, I put out an envelope with R1000 on the night stand, the agreed upon per diem. In bed, more DFK led to a cursory BBBJ that was below average, especially compared to the pro earlier in the day. I did some DATY and when she was nice and wet, I almost went into her BB, she completely forgot about the condom (she had neither condoms or lube the entire week). After grabbing a condom from the drawer, sliding into her was real nice; wet and snug like only a spinner can provide. I was surprised that positions were limited and she struggled with several of them. She could do missionary and spoon sex, but cowgirl tired her out in spite of her fit body and she didn't seem to know how to position herself for doggie or prone. I may be naive, but the overall experience made me think I ended up with an actual civilian. After about an hour, she said she was tired, got dress and went home with the flowers to pack for the week, completely ignoring the envelope with money.
Day 2. We met at an expensive resort in Foz do Iguacu, the one in the national park with exclusive access to the waterfalls after the park hours. The place had an interesting mix, very wealthy families, couples on their honeymoon, what appeared to be multiple SD / SB relationships (several super hot 20 year old blondes with mature men at least 20-30 years older than me), and whoever else can afford R6000+ per night. The resort was amazing, top notch food, excellent services with multiple concierges at the ready. My experience with M the 2nd night did not go as well. She got bitten in the eye or eyelid by a mosquitos or some bug and was super grumpy. No sex, no kissing, no touching. After getting her treatment and being a nice guy, she tried to play games to pass the time like tic tac toe and hangman (next time I bring a deck of cards) but nothing fun, just a couple of drinks and an early end to the night.
Day 3. I was hoping M would make it up to me for being really nice and caring the previous night. But even though her eye felt better, no morning sex like I had hoped. When the evening came around, she was tired, not in the mood and we basically fought and went to bed angry after nothing. In the middle of the night, she woke me up with her body next to mine as the little spoon, proceeded to stroke me off, rubbing me against her opening before sliding me into her wet pussy raw. The make up sex was amazing, although positions were still limited to spoon and missionary. She became a wild jack rabbit as the little spoon and before I knew it I had CIP. I probably should have brought PrEP, but was not planning on BBFS.
Day 4. BBFS morning sex in spoon and missionary, missing breakfast entirely, cut short by the need to catch a flight to Rio. In Rio at the hotel, I find out she is not on birth control of any kind and she finds out my swimmers still work. We decided she would have to use plan be. After which, starting in the afternoon and into the evening, M decided to get drunk. Really drunk. We met some cariocas and bar hopped a bit, it all started so innocently. I stopped buying her drinks after her 9th one, but she had money and continued to drink until the bar cut her off at like 11. Remember, M is only 88 lbs soaking wet. Back at the hotel she was too drunk to do anything, and when I tried, she almost threw up and I left her on the couch with a waste basket next to her in case she got sick.
Day 5. As bad as drunk M was, hungover M was a much worse experience. She spent the entire day in the dark hotel room. I left her with water and whatever was in the minibar. I checked in on her in the late afternoon and we had another fight over me suggesting sex later that evening when she felt better. So I went to Solarium, I had a couple of drinks, but did not find any of the garotas to my liking enough to session with. The evening back with M resulted in another argument and the decision that she would fly back to Sao Paulo the next morning. We went to bed angry on opposite sides of the bed. In the middle of the night, I found her on my side of the bed with a leg over me. Still upset, I moved her leg, rolled over and went back to sleep. I woke up a second time with both her legs over me and my dick literally being squeezed between her thighs. This led to the some of the best make up sex I've ever had in my life. Cowgirl, missionary and spoon, multiple sessions of full on BBFSCIP over a couple of hours until the sun came up.
Day 6. We slept in the morning and missed breakfast. After lunch, we decided to do a helicopter tour. A fancy expensive dinner at Mocellin Mar resulted in the server walking away with my credit card without me noticing. Back at the hotel, it was DFK and BBFS. After sex, we had a discussion and she told me and I quote "As long as we share the same bed, I can have sex with her whenever I want", I even got a screen shot of it. She then went to sleep with no panties. In the middle of the night, when I woke up at full salute, I decided to take her up on her offer. Spoon sex BBFSCIP. I woke up later in the night and after some touching, we did it again BBFS spoon and missionary.
Day 7. Make up sex is great. The morning started with BBFSCIP and we miss breakfast again. I gave her an envelope with R6000 as no money was asked for during my time spent with M, but the original discussion was for R1000 per day with money spent on flights, helicopter tours and 4 and 5 star hotels. We took our flight back to Sao Paulo and said our goodbyes. I went in to for a kiss, but she turned and gave me her cheek.
Overall, I got a GFE, just not the one I was expecting. The make up sex was great, but the fighting and general lack of affection was not. Other than the first night, there were no BJs and minimal DFK. In retrospect, I should have definitely followed the 48-72 hour rule so I could have seen the other SB I had lined up in Rio. Although, with the eye injury, the experience would have only included 3 session and I would have missed out on some seriously amazing make up sex. I could have also tried to line up more SBs in Sao Paulo, but I've never been to Scandallo and felt like I needed a couple of days to check out that scene as well as Bomboa and Casarao.
Day 9. I scheduled to meet up with M for dinner and private time for R2800 (I agreed because I felt like I shorted her earlier gift, but did not have enough cash at that time) and even extended my hotel stay a day so I would have a hotel room to do it, but she flaked last minute. So off to Scandallo I went to spend R2800 before my late night flight back stateside.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=VanessasClient;3032011]Personal advice: don't chase kids who steal your phone...
Buy a cheap phone, it doesn't have to be a "burner" phone. You can get service from your real provider with an additional number / line for 1 month. There's a little bit less privacy that way, but also consider that some burner phone providers don't offer international 4 G roaming. It's definitely a bigger risk when going bare, because if she gets pregnant, she can potentially track you down.
Without making this an overly broad insult, a lot of these girls have some serious mental issues, and are not very intelligent. Sure, there are exceptions, but not very many. Some of these women are incredibly volatile, often changing their mind from day to day. And many are simply outright crazy. Also, some would score in the very low percentile if administered an IQ test. Just keep in mind that selfishness rules at the end of the day.
I've gotten it on with more than 80 sex workers, and I'd only say about 3 of them were truly trustworthy. Another 4 or so weren't dishonest per se, but they also eventually became defensive.[/QUOTE]I agree with all you are saying. Also, do not leave your cell phone at the table if you run to the bathroom at the restaurant during a first meeting. I had a girl up and leave, stealing my phone with her. I had to buy a new phone, cancel my credit cards, and found out she was using my Uber. Do not trust a hoe.
I purposefully use my middle name, unless and until there is some trust. And do not give out my last name. Unfortunately my real name shows on my credit card slips and the girls try to read those. Pay with cash at the restaurant meeting, if you can. Always pay the girls with cash. And you can Never completely trust a woman. They are the ones who will turn you in to the Police. Just try getting married, divorced, and having problems with your kids. Your X will do every dirty she can to get you arrested so she can brag to her girlfriends how bad you are. All the police shows have the con-man turned in by an ex-girlfriend who is bitter because he found another.
[QUOTE=VanessasClient;3032011]Personal advice: don't chase kids who steal your phone. Even if the kid is only 7 or 8 years old, they could still be armed. And if not, he could have rode his bike back to his home, where his family or "fellow neighbors" would have been waiting.
Buy a cheap phone, it doesn't have to be a "burner" phone. You can get service from your real provider with an additional number / line for 1 month. There's a little bit less privacy that way, but also consider that some burner phone providers don't offer international 4 G roaming. It's definitely a bigger risk when going bare, because if she gets pregnant, she can potentially track you down.
Without making this an overly broad insult, a lot of these girls have some serious mental issues, and are not very intelligent. Sure, there are exceptions, but not very many. Some of these women are incredibly volatile, often changing their mind from day to day. And many are simply outright crazy. Also, some would score in the very low percentile if administered an IQ test. Just keep in mind that selfishness rules at the end of the day.
I've gotten it on with more than 80 sex workers, and I'd only say about 3 of them were truly trustworthy. Another 4 or so weren't dishonest per se, but they also eventually became defensive.
Biggest lesson. Just because someone keeps their word a couple of times, or maybe even a few times in a row, doesn't mean that pattern will continue indefinitely. I had a girl try to backstab me in August, and I had been in contact with her for over a year. I'd say in order to have significant trust that you won't be betrayed, then I really think you need to make it past the 2 year mark, with consistent behavior that's frequently demonstrated.
[/QUOTE]VanessasClient is 100% right, giving chase over a cell phone is a dumb idea. I honestly wouldn't have known what to do if I caught the kid anyway, safety issue aside, a grown ass man kicking the ass of a 14 year old kid is not a good look in any country. Many before have said "I'm a lover, not a fighter", and my energy in Brazil is much better spent sharing my love with as many hot garotas as possible. Next time, I'm bringing a cheap cell phone.
Great post and thanks for an honest FR. I have a question about Plan be. Seems like your girl only used Plan be. I've read you can use a pill up to 72 hours after first CIP. If I am with someone (very likely a virgin) for 4 days, does it make sense to get 2 Plan BS at 48 and 96 hour mark? We'll be pretty active with desire for CIP on both sides but I don't want to ask her to get on birth control before we meet. Any chance Plan be is less effective for first time virginity losing sex?
[QUOTE=EasyIslandLife;3031768]Day 1. In case the first date went badly, I spent 3 hours of the afternoon with a GDP I found online. I then went looking for flowers and chocolates and ended up at a flower shop where I'm pretty sure I got the gringo price and ended up spending R300 for a dozen roses, so I skipped the chocolates. I met my SB[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Chola;3032373]Great post and thanks for an honest FR. I have a question about Plan be. Seems like your girl only used Plan be. I've read you can use a pill up to 72 hours after first CIP. If I am with someone (very likely a virgin) for 4 days, does it make sense to get 2 Plan BS at 48 and 96 hour mark? We'll be pretty active with desire for CIP on both sides but I don't want to ask her to get on birth control before we meet. Any chance Plan be is less effective for first time virginity losing sex?[/QUOTE]This is an exceedingly shitty idea. Plan ß is considered an *emergency contraceptive* - NOT primary source of birth control. The reason it lacks effectiveness is because it's designed to reduce the chance of pregnancy in the event of an "accident. " If you want to know how effective it is, you might want to take a look at this video.
[URL]https://youtu.be/DT_w_FwOZkE?si=Dtq6HHXGoPGH_-_D[/URL]
Thank you for getting me to think straight! Eye opening indeed. Much appreciated!
[QUOTE=VanessasClient;3032545]This is an exceedingly shitty idea. Plan is considered an *emergency contraceptive* - NOT primary source of birth control. The reason it lacks effectiveness is because it's designed to reduce the chance of pregnancy in the event of an "accident. " If you want to know how effective it is, you might want to take a look at this video.
[URL]https://youtu.be/DT_w_FwOZkE?si=Dtq6HHXGoPGH_-_D[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=VanessasClient;3032545]This is an exceedingly shitty idea. Plan is considered an *emergency contraceptive* - NOT primary source of birth control. The reason it lacks effectiveness is because it's designed to reduce the chance of pregnancy in the event of an "accident. " If you want to know how effective it is, you might want to take a look at this video.
[URL]https://youtu.be/DT_w_FwOZkE?si=Dtq6HHXGoPGH_-_D[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Chola;3032373]Great post and thanks for an honest FR. I have a question about Plan be. Seems like your girl only used Plan be. I've read you can use a pill up to 72 hours after first CIP. If I am with someone (very likely a virgin) for 4 days, does it make sense to get 2 Plan BS at 48 and 96 hour mark? We'll be pretty active with desire for CIP on both sides but I don't want to ask her to get on birth control before we meet. Any chance Plan be is less effective for first time virginity losing sex?[/QUOTE]Plan b is Levonorgestrel and it suppresses ovulation. Thing is if the egg has already been released and you cum inside the woman it may do not good at all, so it is best to use right after the act of sex and for you to withdraw and not cum inside of her. For the most part, I had no issue with women taking it. The issue was the price. It was $50 in the USA so I would buy it at All Day Chemist for $3. Now you can get on Amazon for like $14, [URL]https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08ZF2N2ZK?tag=bravesoftwa04-20&linkCode=osi&th=1&psc=1&language=en_US[/URL].
When I went bare, if I had the woman take the pill right after the act of sex, and I did not cum inside her, I had no issues with pregnancy. Thing is that about one in four women cramp and bleed after taking it, and that is where I had resistance, a woman or two who took Levonorgestrel and had side effects occasionally balked at taking it again. The pregnancy prevention rate with Levonorgestrel is about the same as condoms.
For longer term, I would inject medroxyprogesterone acetate or Depoprovera. This lasts 3 months and is the best birth control outside of getting snipped. Most women have no problem with the injection but some have terrible cramps and bleeding, and it can take months for that to stop. I used to buy this for $20 from far away lands and just give it to my SBs. With no exceptions, they did not balk but were appreciative unless they had the side effects. Unlike in the USA where they are all these safety warnings like having a PAP smear prior to getting it, in Africa, there are no such controls, and the women line up for it, and it is the most popular form of birth control in the world. Thing is in the USA now that has come down and price, and I am seeing the shots going for $25 here now.
I liked it because I did not have to worry about a woman "forgetting" to take their pill. I have also been reading this book one of the manosphere guys recommended called Sperm Wars and it has been very eye opening with regards to how much the subconscious of both men and women play in the reproductive process. A lot of times a woman "forgets" taking her pill, apparently her subconscious is willing her to do so. I highly recommend the book.
Upon reflection though, this has been a bigger issue than I recall. I had one SB who did get pregnant once. She was honest in that she had been with another guy, but speaking of subconscious, I had a dream of something living inside of me, so when she said that she was pregnant, I said, "I have a feeling it is mine. " She had four kids and did not want a fifth and asked for some financial help and I gladly gave it to her and she took care of it.
Thing is in this world there is a lot of bullshitting about being pregnant. I had one woman I got together with after a year hiatus who claimed I impregnated her and she miscarried, and I thought she was full of shit and being manipulative. Reuniting with a SB always turned out to be a bad idea.
One thing I prided myself on was leaving my wallet out in front of trusted SBs in Colombian and Mexico. Of all the times I was abroad, I only had one time a woman steal from me, and THAT women claimed a month later that I impregnated her, so I blocked her and never heard from her again. I would bet my life that she was full of shit.
Then there was the SB who said my chances of being the father of her kid was less than 10%. She was one of those SBs that was a good woman, and she was living with a guy that she did not trust would be a good father and there was no doubt in her mind that she was not ready to be a mother. So I probably did not have to help her out, but I did. Less than 10% did not make me feel comfortable.
You think all this would cause a remarkable amount of stress, but they really did not. The women were going to do what they wanted to do or they were full of shit. All that I had to do was assist in a decision that they had already made.
There was one time though that a SB was pregnant, and she said the baby was mine, and I think she would have kept it with some kind of commitment from me. That was tough. It was at the point in my life where I would have welcomed a child, but something just was not right. I was ambivalent with her and when she saw the lack of commitment from me, she did what she had to do. It was the only time I felt guilt, and I still do when I think about it.
Thing is we had stopped seeing each other and two months later, she was pregnant again and that time it was definitely not mine and she chose not to be a mother again. I guess I could say, "Shit, it was probably that guy's kid the first time too", but I really do not believe that to be true.
Thing is after reading Sperm Wars and how much the subconscious controls women and pregnancy, I could see her having sex with another guy and totally blocking it out of her mind. Women subconsciously distinguish between a man they see as a good genetic sperm donor but a shitty person and one they see as a good provider but less than ideal sperm donor. Point is that I could see many SDs being collared as fathers who are not and maybe that was what was going on with the woman above.
Thing is that in Sperm Wars, there is this war to be the guy who fathers the most children, and I really do not feel that way. Maybe it is because the father is nowhere to be seen, but I am closer to my gal's daughter than any children I am genetically linked to. I don't want to be the father of an asshole regardless of whose sperm gave life to that child. How do you guys feel about that? Do you think that they have to be your genetic child for you to totally love them?
The thing that makes withdraw risky is that there's no 100% proof why some men's pre ejaculate contains sperm, and other men's does not. In fact, there's even inconsistency among the same man, where sometimes his precum has sperm, and other times it doesn't. The leading theory is that if it does contain sperm, it's sperm that was sitting in the urethra from the last ejaculation. If you believe that theory, then sperm cannot survive in the urethra for much more than several hours, due to the acidic environment and temperature. So, how do pregnancies happen from precum if the last ejaculation was 24 hours ago? There's other researchers that say a small amount of cum may be released before the main load blows out. Seems not particularly reliable to me.
I'm sure there's plenty of documented cases out there where adoptive parents were more dedicated to their children than biological parents. The thing is. If there's ever a serious rift between the kid and the parents, especially if the kid is an adolescent or even an adult, either side can always fall back on the argument "you're not my real dad / mom / child" and there's no defensible reason not to end the relationship. Whereas with blood bound families, then the perpetrator is identified as simply being a rat. If the parents abuse the kid, then the parents are just shit. Or if the kid grows up to be a mass murder, then the kid is shit. But with adopted families, you always have the excuse to walk away based on that person not being biologically related.
In some countries like Brazil or RD, abortion is all but illegal unless the mother's life is in danger, or the doctor signs off that the baby is likely to be stillborn. Good news is that overall male sperm count has been declining globally during the past couple of decades Also, sperm quality is going down with it, and testosterone levels.
I'm still amazed at the number of new members who show up on Seeking each week. It's like almost every woman wants to give it a try at least once. Either that or scammers are recycling old images that Seeking has not stored for comparison purposes.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3032831]Plan b is Levonorgestrel and it suppresses ovulation. Thing is if the egg has already been released and you cum inside the woman it may do not good at all, so it is best to use right after the act of sex and for you to withdraw and not cum inside of her. For the most part, I had no issue with women taking it. The issue was the price. It was $50 in the USA so I would buy it at All Day Chemist for $3. Now you can get on Amazon for like $14, [URL]https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08ZF2N2ZK?tag=bravesoftwa04-20&linkCode=osi&th=1&psc=1&language=en_US[/URL].
When I went bare, if I had the woman take the pill right after the act of sex, and I did not cum inside her, I had no issues with pregnancy. Thing is that about one in four women cramp and bleed after taking it, and that is where I had resistance, a woman or two who took Levonorgestrel and had side effects occasionally balked at taking it again. The pregnancy prevention rate with Levonorgestrel is about the same as condoms.
For longer term, I would inject medroxyprogesterone acetate or Depoprovera. This lasts 3 months and is the best birth control outside of getting snipped. Most women have no problem with the injection but some have terrible cramps and bleeding, and it can take months for that to stop. I used to buy this for $20 from far away lands and just give it to my SBs. With no exceptions, they did not balk but were appreciative unless they had the side effects. Unlike in the USA where they are all these safety warnings like having a PAP smear prior to getting it, in Africa, there are no such controls, and the women line up for it, and it is the most popular form of birth control in the world. Thing is in the USA now that has come down and price, and I am seeing the shots going for $25 here now.
I liked it because I did not have to worry about a woman "forgetting" to take their pill. I have also been reading this book one of the manosphere guys recommended called Sperm Wars and it has been very eye opening with regards to how much the subconscious of both men and women play in the reproductive process. A lot of times a woman "forgets" taking her pill, apparently her subconscious is willing her to do so. I highly recommend the book.
Upon reflection though, this has been a bigger issue than I recall. I had one SB who did get pregnant once. She was honest in that she had been with another guy, but speaking of subconscious, I had a dream of something living inside of me, so when she said that she was pregnant, I said, "I have a feeling it is mine. " She had four kids and did not want a fifth and asked for some financial help and I gladly gave it to her and she took care of it.
Thing is in this world there is a lot of bullshitting about being pregnant. I had one woman I got together with after a year hiatus who claimed I impregnated her and she miscarried, and I thought she was full of shit and being manipulative. Reuniting with a SB always turned out to be a bad idea.
One thing I prided myself on was leaving my wallet out in front of trusted SBs in Colombian and Mexico. Of all the times I was abroad, I only had one time a woman steal from me, and THAT women claimed a month later that I impregnated her, so I blocked her and never heard from her again. I would bet my life that she was full of shit.
Then there was the SB who said my chances of being the father of her kid was less than 10%. She was one of those SBs that was a good woman, and she was living with a guy that she did not trust would be a good father and there was no doubt in her mind that she was not ready to be a mother. So I probably did not have to help her out, but I did. Less than 10% did not make me feel comfortable.
You think all this would cause a remarkable amount of stress, but they really did not. The women were going to do what they wanted to do or they were full of shit. All that I had to do was assist in a decision that they had already made.
There was one time though that a SB was pregnant, and she said the baby was mine, and I think she would have kept it with some kind of commitment from me. That was tough. It was at the point in my life where I would have welcomed a child, but something just was not right. I was ambivalent with her and when she saw the lack of commitment from me, she did what she had to do. It was the only time I felt guilt, and I still do when I think about it.
Thing is we had stopped seeing each other and two months later, she was pregnant again and that time it was definitely not mine and she chose not to be a mother again. I guess I could say, "Shit, it was probably that guy's kid the first time too", but I really do not believe that to be true.
Thing is after reading Sperm Wars and how much the subconscious controls women and pregnancy, I could see her having sex with another guy and totally blocking it out of her mind. Women subconsciously distinguish between a man they see as a good genetic sperm donor but a shitty person and one they see as a good provider but less than ideal sperm donor. Point is that I could see many SDs being collared as fathers who are not and maybe that was what was going on with the woman above.
Thing is that in Sperm Wars, there is this war to be the guy who fathers the most children, and I really do not feel that way. Maybe it is because the father is nowhere to be seen, but I am closer to my gal's daughter than any children I am genetically linked to. I don't want to be the father of an asshole regardless of whose sperm gave life to that child. How do you guys feel about that? Do you think that they have to be your genetic child for you to totally love them?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=VanessasClient;3032890]The thing that makes withdraw risky is that there's no 100% proof why some men's pre ejaculate contains sperm, and other men's does not. In fact, there's even inconsistency among the same man, where sometimes his precum has sperm, and other times it doesn't. The leading theory is that if it does contain sperm, it's sperm that was sitting in the urethra from the last ejaculation. If you believe that theory, then sperm cannot survive in the urethra for much more than several hours, due to the acidic environment and temperature. So, how do pregnancies happen from precum if the last ejaculation was 24 hours ago? There's other researchers that say a small amount of cum may be released before the main load blows out. Seems not particularly reliable to me.[/QUOTE]Withdrawing is not reliable, and I do not want anyone to think it is. I was just giving my experience. In fact, another SB was giving me head and she said that she could taste my pre-cum at the time meaning I could have gotten the SB pregnant. I thought the less sperm the better, but I learned from the book how many different types of sperm there are and how even jerking off and having less sperm can actually make your sperm more potent. For something we all thought we could control, this book was quite the eye opener with how little we really do. I did not give the SB claiming to be pregnant plan be though.
[QUOTE=VanessasClient;3032890]I'm sure there's plenty of documented cases out there where adoptive parents were more dedicated to their children than biological parents. The thing is. If there's ever a serious rift between the kid and the parents, especially if the kid is an adolescent or even an adult, either side can always fall back on the argument "you're not my real dad / mom / child" and there's no defensible reason not to end the relationship. Whereas with blood bound families, then the perpetrator is identified as simply being a rat. If the parents abuse the kid, then the parents are just shit. Or if the kid grows up to be a mass murder, then the kid is shit. But with adopted families, you always have the excuse to walk away based on that person not being biologically related.[/QUOTE]Yeah, it is so common for women to put all their energy into the child, they neglect the husband or male mate and the male looks for fun elsewhere. Then the woman calls the guy all kinds of names and he leaves. Instead of admitting the error, she trashes the husband / partner to their children. I had something like this happen and have seen it happen to others way too often. I was shocked to hear a woman or two admit that they neglected their partner and lost them. Not all women are in denial about this common misdeed I guess.
In my case, coming in as the step father type, I have been appreciated as both mother and daughter have seen how much I add to the family, and I can usually tell if a kid is bad or not even at an early age. To have a good kid versus having to play the genetic lottery of conception was quite a blessing.
[QUOTE=VanessasClient;3032890]In some countries like Brazil or RD, abortion is all but illegal unless the mother's life is in danger, or the doctor signs off that the baby is likely to be stillborn[/QUOTE]LOL. And in the Philippines, it is illegal to get a divorce. It is amazing how much nicer women are in countries where they do not have so many "rights". T.
Thing is when I read the book Sperm Wars even friggin monkeys know what to take to prevent pregnancy. I am beginning to wonder if we would be better off making abortion illegal and never prosecuting it like we used to do with prostitution. The feminists make it seem like without the legal right to have abortion, we would be back to women with coat hangers and horrible infection. That is not the case. There are a number of pills that cause abortion and a number of methods on line where you can use a hose with a strong flow to induce abortion.
Here is an article that shows papaya leaves induce abortion: [URL]https://journalarjgo.com/index.php/ARJGO/article/view/135[/URL]
It seems like those female monkeys are some pretty smart mo fos. LOL.
Seeking Arrangement Jakarta.
Lots of girls on Seeking but man there is so much variance in pricing. They are all over the map.
I'm using 400 K at classic and 2 M at emporium /1001 as reference points.
Some girls are patently insane wanting 5-10 M. I had one come down to 4 M. But would not budge and I kicked her to the curb. Just seems morally wrong to pay that in Jakarta. She's a real hottie and great chat. But 4 M? Am I off base here?
I have two very hot girls signed up at 1. 5 and 2 M. That seems fair. One wouldn't budge below 3 M but I told her ok to just keep her warm. Will prob take the 1. 5 and / or 2 M girls instead. Not that I can't afford it. It just bugs me girls are getting 400 K at classic and then these girls are charging 3-4 M.
Oh and one quite plain 30 year old who I thought at least might be good in bed and cheap. She scoffed at 1. 5 M and said I can get a bar girl for that. OK. Thats what I will do!
I'the be interested in your thoughts on this.
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Seeking Advice from experienced SDs who have traveled / vacationed with SBs (Latin America experienced preferred).
Hello gents, like many of us, I am a regular SA user. I only subscribe when I'm abroad (strictly Latin America based on all previous trips) and have had some good experiences in CDMX, Bogota, Buenos Aires, and Rio to a lesser extent because in my opinion, there's many other options in a country like Brazil. I have never used SA in the states and have no intention of doing so.
I am seeking advice from gents who have made some good SB connections and have invited them for travel whether it be to Europe / Asia and so on. I fully understand that for a vast majority of SBs, the main priority would be money (more so if they are from South America). However, I have met and I'm sure you gents have come across SBs who have their own careers or are finishing their education and would love to be invited for travel. I am by no means super rich or elite SD status, and I fully understand that maybe travel with SB is not an option for me, however, I would love to hear from your experiences if you have relations and traveled with SBs who don't ask for a monetary arrangement and join for the experience. This would involve the SD paying for travel, accommodation, meals, activities, and let's just say spoiling with some shopping and presents while traveling. As we can already tell, the total spend would amount to a very substantial number.
I would love to hear from experienced SDs here who can shed light on what else I might be missing above and give some examples of what a typical travel monetary arrangement might look like in their own experience and also if there have been times where there hasn't been an arrangement and just a fully paid vacation for the SB instead. I understand this will vary vastly based on the SD and each SB is different but some real numbers would be very helpful.
Before ending this message, I will give an example of a SB I have known for a couple of years in Colombia and I am totally fine with the PPM arrangement we have in place. I have been thinking about inviting her for travel but I have seen that in the last year or so, while she is finishing up her education, she has elevated her game LOL and has been on vacations to the US a couple of times, Mexico, and the latest trip which blew me away was to Europe (London and a couple of cities in Spain). It is without doubt envy on my part but I am just amazed by her trip which I saw on Instagram, she was flown out business class from what I can tell and the accommodation was 5 star hotels in all three cities visited with Michelin star restaurants visited frequently and lots of shopping. Without a doubt, a week long trip like that was easily $10 k plus before any monetary agreement. Please forgive me for sounding envious but I just wanted to mention this experience I have come across, I understand that there will always be far bigger fish out there who spoil these SBs and to be satisfied with the existing PPM as long as its in place and focus on personal growth / achievements to elevate my career rather than waste time and energy on something like this but I felt like sharing this example with the forum.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts in advance (specific examples with monetary amounts would be highly appreciated).
Gents,
After leeching off for this forum for years, I would like to provide some info which might be helpful. Would have provided it using old username but forgot the password and can't get email notifications from this site so had to create a new account (anyways that's a separate issue).
Below is based on my experience and includes my opinions, I'm sure some you will agree with and others you will disagree with. The amount provided is based on AVERAGE requested in my experience. Please keep in mind that the USD has weakened against most currencies vs the below experience.
Mexico (CDMX 2022/23) - 4,000 MXN.
Lots of options on the site and first ever city I used SA in and only visited once, looking back for me personally not worth the cost and especially the quality of SBs (especially in comparison to Colombia below which is more or less the same travel time for the most part). Majority of requests were been 3-4 k MXN, lowest around 2. 5 k and there were definitely many requests above 4 k which I didn't entertain as was too expensive in my opinion. USD was much stronger against MXN at the time.
Colombia (Bogota 2022-25) - 500 k COP.
Multiple visits. Many options and good quality. Average request used to be 400 k but has creeped up to 500 k. Besides SBs, there's many options in this country so rates vary but requests on the low end are between 3-400 k. Due to the large number of options on SA here, there are definitely better looking SBs demanding 600 k plus which has been my max but have had multiple requests close to 1 million COP which I have never entertained (even though those SBs might be better optically, in photos anyways).
Brazil (Rio 2023-24) - 600 Reias.
Limited SB options and overall low quality when compared to the two above, not sure if SA is worth it here due to vast other options. 5-600 Reias was on the lower end with some requests for the best looking SBs ranging between 750-1000 Reias. São Paulo seems to have a lot more options and I would like to try SA there in the future, however, it's wild how expensive SP is compared to the rest of Brazil when it comes to SBs or this hobby.
Argentina (Buenos Aires 2023-25) - $200 USD.
Limited SB options. Here comes the part which some of you might disagree with as everyone has their own taste, pound for pound in terms of looks, Argentinian SBs are at the top in South America. However, this also comes with stuck up attitude and a large majority of them have EU citizenship or have traveled there and they know they can demand much higher rates. Average was $200 USD for regular looking SBswhich to me is expensive given that we are in Argentina, there were many much higher requests from better looking ones ranging from $300 and even a few ridiculous requests of $600.
I would love for you gents to share your experiences and comment on the above, please also add to the list if you have experiences in other cities like Santiago and any others where you have seen a good amount of options on SA.
[QUOTE=JuliusLad;3033295]Seeking Advice from experienced SDs who have traveled / vacationed with SBs (Latin America experienced preferred).
Hello gents, like many of us, I am a regular SA user. I only subscribe when I'm abroad (strictly Latin America based on all previous trips) and have had some good experiences in CDMX, Bogota, Buenos Aires, and Rio to a lesser extent because in my opinion, there's many other options in a country like Brazil. I have never used SA in the states and have no intention of doing so.
I am seeking advice from gents who have made some good SB connections and have invited them for travel whether it be to Europe / Asia and so on. I fully understand that for a vast majority of SBs, the main priority would be money (more so if they are from South America). However, I have met and I'm sure you gents have come across SBs who have their own careers or are finishing their education and would love to be invited for travel. I am by no means super rich or elite SD status, and I fully understand that maybe travel with SB is not an option for me, however, I would love to hear from your experiences if you have relations and traveled with SBs who don't ask for a monetary arrangement and join for the experience. This would involve the SD paying for travel, accommodation, meals, activities, and let's just say spoiling with some shopping and presents while traveling. As we can already tell, the total spend would amount to a very substantial number.
I would love to hear from experienced SDs here who can shed light on what else I might be missing above and give some examples of what a typical travel monetary arrangement might look like in their own experience and also if there have been times where there hasn't been an arrangement and just a fully paid vacation for the SB instead. I understand this will vary vastly based on the SD and each SB is different but some real numbers would be very helpful.
Before ending this message, I will give an example of a SB I have known for a couple of years in Colombia and I am totally fine with the PPM arrangement we have in place. I have been thinking about inviting her for travel but I have seen that in the last year or so, while she is finishing up her education, she has elevated her game LOL and has been on vacations to the US a couple of times, Mexico, and the latest trip which blew me away was to Europe (London and a couple of cities in Spain). It is without doubt envy on my part but I am just amazed by her trip which I saw on Instagram, she was flown out business class from what I can tell and the accommodation was 5 star hotels in all three cities visited with Michelin star restaurants visited frequently and lots of shopping. Without a doubt, a week long trip like that was easily $10 k plus before any monetary agreement. Please forgive me for sounding envious but I just wanted to mention this experience I have come across, I understand that there will always be far bigger fish out there who spoil these SBs and to be satisfied with the existing PPM as long as its in place and focus on personal growth / achievements to elevate my career rather than waste time and energy on something like this but I felt like sharing this example with the forum.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts in advance (specific examples with monetary amounts would be highly appreciated).[/QUOTE]I've done this maybe 58 times. And it's been awesome. Always with an SB I know. In general I never discuss time with girls. Like I don't say out date will be 4-5 hrs. We just have the date. Some girls leave later thst night and some sleep over. PPM is PPM regardless of timeline.
I use this same approach when I travel a girl. If I was paying her $300/ date I will pay her $300/ day when we travel. Sometimes I try to squeeze this if it's a really expensive girl like $500. I tell her I'll give her $1000 for 3 days say.
This has always worked well because you have to like each other a lot to want to spend that time together.
I caution AGAINST the "don't pay her at all" approach. I only did this once and it destroyed our relationship. I flew her from London to LA and she agreed to not charge anything. Normally 500/ visit. Sounds great right? Well we did have a great time but she acted like a real GF in the bad sense. As in " I'm too tired. I have a headache " etc. And we had a BJ one night and that was it. At the end I told her I was done because no sex. And she was floored. She thought it was optional. Because that's the way GFs are. Nope. Done.
So don't think going free is a good idea. It's not. Pay a fair rate and keep her in SB land.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;3033334]I've done this maybe 58 times. And it's been awesome. Always with an SB I know. In general I never discuss time with girls. Like I don't say out date will be 4-5 hrs. We just have the date. Some girls leave later thst night and some sleep over. PPM is PPM regardless of timeline.
I use this same approach when I travel a girl. If I was paying her $300/ date I will pay her $300/ day when we travel. Sometimes I try to squeeze this if it's a really expensive girl like $500. I tell her I'll give her $1000 for 3 days say.
This has always worked well because you have to like each other a lot to want to spend that time together.
I caution AGAINST the "don't pay her at all" approach. I only did this once and it destroyed our relationship. I flew her from London to LA and she agreed to not charge anything. Normally 500/ visit. Sounds great right? Well we did have a great time but she acted like a real GF in the bad sense. As in " I'm too tired. I have a headache " etc. And we had a BJ one night and that was it. At the end I told her I was done because no sex. And she was floored. She thought it was optional. Because that's the way GFs are. Nope. Done.
So don't think going free is a good idea. It's not. Pay a fair rate and keep her in SB land.[/QUOTE]Haha. Was suppose to say 5 to 8 times. Not 58.