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[QUOTE=Gabacho;2960970]......This is a scam known as price fixing and it is illegal.......[/QUOTE]Because I'm well fueled when I go to the airport I inevitably have to use their toilets. If more people did like me you can bet they would start charging for that too.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2961075] If there were no casas I would go for Lleras. There is a much better choice of girls there.[/QUOTE]I noted that my comments [I]"Parque Lleras is not the upscale place it was used to be! (...) Basically: the same girls that hang out at Veracruz at daytime, move here at night time. The difference is the price LOL! A place to forget and avoid."[/I] triggered a flame of posts and counter-posts.
Now, it may be debatable what is the actual percentage of girls working at Lleras nightime who work also at Veracruz daytime, but what is out of question is that (regrettably) most girls at Llleras are now gross, vulgar, even ugly in part. A gem can be always found digging in the slime, but this is true also for Prado and San Diego. What you write above proved simply not true in my experience. You might have a different experience than me, but certainly not in recent days.
I have been at Lleras around midnight twice one week ago. Two samples have testified me that Lleras is not a place anymore where to find the model-type girls that we were used to see there before COVID. It does not matter if the same individuals move from Veracruz to LLeras or not (well, many do). What matters is that the average / overall outlook and [I]elegance[/I] of girls there is NOT better than at Veracruz. This is out of question. The difference is that they pretend to be escorts, but this does not lead me to pay a premium price. If I don't go to a casa, then I would not go to find a girl at LLeras anymore.
[QUOTE=BlackPage;2961087]I noted that my comments [I]"Parque Lleras is not the upscale place it was used to be! (...) Basically: the same girls that hang out at Veracruz at daytime, move here at night time. The difference is the price LOL! A place to forget and avoid."[/I] triggered a flame of posts and counter-posts.
Now, it may be debatable what is the actual percentage of girls working at Lleras nightime who work also at Veracruz daytime, but what is out of question is that (regrettably) most girls at Llleras are now gross, vulgar, even ugly in part. [/QUOTE]I rarely go to Lleras. I might go tonight after a Tyson fight watch party with some friends since the host lives in that area. If what you are saying is true, it wouldn't surprise me. The talent in El Centro has fallen off tremendously compared to pre-c19 and worse compared to further back. If more of those are up in Lleras, it ain't a good look. Should be interesting if we pass through Lleras tonight since I've only been during the day the last couple of years.
I got back to Meddy this week after a month vacation outside of Colombia. There were probably 150-200 people in line waiting to get through immigration when the plane landed and probably 90% were males. The girls have a lot more options now, IMO. Guys are coming down and trickin much bigger sums than they used to, especially with the social media / online mongers. A lot of the good quality doesn't have to work in a casa, nightclub or walk the park anymore.
[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2961109]I rarely go to Lleras. I might go tonight after a Tyson fight watch party with some friends since the host lives in that area. If what you are saying is true, it wouldn't surprise me. The talent in El Centro has fallen off tremendously compared to pre-c19 and worse compared to further back. If more of those are up in Lleras, it ain't a good look. Should be interesting if we pass through Lleras tonight since I've only been during the day the last couple of years.
I got back to Meddy this week after a month vacation outside of Colombia. There were probably 150-200 people in line waiting to get through immigration when the plane landed and probably 90% were males. The girls have a lot more options now, IMO. Guys are coming down and trickin much bigger sums than they used to, especially with the social media / online mongers. A lot of the good quality doesn't have to work in a casa, nightclub or walk the park anymore.[/QUOTE]Yes, medellin has been ruined by gringos and passport bros. Its a shame, but it happens. Lets hope Trump legalizes prostitution and the passport bros stay home. LOL.
[QUOTE=Gabacho;2960874]Even checking cedulas is not fool-proof because it is possible that they can have a fake ID. To be extra safe use a hotel that will verify the cedula by checking it against the information registered to that particular cedula number (they have a website for looking it up).
Hotel Botero Real is a good hotel that will verify IDs and make sure that your lady is of legal age before they rent you the room.
And if the girl refuses to go to that hotel and tries to take you to a different hotel like on the backside behind the church, you should view that as a red flag.
-Gabacho.[/QUOTE]The problem is that even if ID is real, it might not be theirs. Happens all the time. Girls all look alike on IDs and it is difficult to find out if the person standing in front of you is indeed the person on ID.
Flying tomorrow to MDE for the first time, previous I scheduled my trip from Bogota to Medellin due to climate.
Been readying a lot about casas. I have done my extensive research but not much information of casas.
Not asking where to find Chicas but need few recommends of your favorite casas.
Will be staying in Pablado area.
[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2961172]Been readying a lot about casas. I have done my extensive research but not much information of casas.
[/QUOTE]Your research was not much extensive, if you missed the Medellin List.
If you don't know where to go and how to move, in Medellin you will have no fun, and might find a lot of trouble. Be careful.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2961119]The problem is that even if ID is real, it might not be theirs. Happens all the time. Girls all look alike on IDs and it is difficult to find out if the person standing in front of you is indeed the person on ID.[/QUOTE]Well in that case what is your solution to make sure you are in compliance with the law?
I won't speak for anyone else. I think there is already way more of that on the site than is useful. In my possibly isolated Centro rat case, I honestly don't care what anyone pays. I prefer everyone pay based on informed decisions but that's up to them. I'm not into schadenfreude, so I don't take pleasure in anyone else's disadvantage. What makes my heart smile is an enjoyable bang. At whatever price. Once again, it's only me and everyone's tastes and situations are their own. If I felt like I was having more enjoyable experiences or even more variety by paying the going rate at ostensibly more upscale venues, I would not hesitate to do it. To be honest, every so often I do it just to break the routine. So far, and I've been at this more than a little while, I haven't had the desire to shift gears. I could go the seeking arrangement / facebook / Lleras route exclusively without noticing the financial uplift. I don't do it because I know from practical experience I don't find it more interesting or otherwise more worthwhile. My way is to break up the Centro rat routine with Laureles, LOS Colores, and Centro casas and probably a couple of times a month mileroticos & other online girls.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2960621]It does make ones heart smile when one believes that one is banging chicas for one fifth the price that other gringos are paying.[/QUOTE]
I will go as far as to say Poblado and Provenza were ruined by passport bros. Believe it or not, they really aren't a factor in all but that small area of the city. To be fair, they are a huge factor in that area of the city. It's jarring for somebody like me who is rarely there except for dinner out at a restaurant. Anytime I'm there after 9 PM or so, wow, it's so unlike the pre-pandemic Medellin. They aren't even a big factor in Centro. But I get your point. For many visitors Poblado and Provenza is Medellin and the rest of the city does not exist. I'm OK with it.
[QUOTE=Kazeu;2961116]Yes, medellin has been ruined by gringos and passport bros. Its a shame, but it happens. Lets hope Trump legalizes prostitution and the passport bros stay home. LOL.[/QUOTE]
I'm trying to look at it from a different perspective. I'm thinking about convenience. You know what the rush hour traffic is like in Medellin. If you are staying in Laureles or Poblado and you dip your toe in the Centro rat lifestyle, you are going to want to get out of Dodge once the sun goes down. That's the heart of rush hour. It's no fun sitting in an uber in rush hour traffic. If I'm here for one or two weeks of my hard earned vacation time I can't imagine letting any of it fritter away while I'm staring at the back of another car listening to reggaeton on a scratch shitty car radio.
[QUOTE=Huacho;2961005]You don't understand that because you are paying $2,000 for your airline, hotel and food for a "short trip" and that's not necessary if you're a Centro rat. Enables you to make more trips. Plus even if we did pay $2,000 for those three things, we'd still want to pay reasonable prices for the fourth thing, the fifth thing, etc. That's not sound logic. "I don't understand why people who've already spent a lot of money don't want to spend more money. " That would be somewhat like saying why bother to use public transportation since you already paid a lot for a flight. Hmm maybe you think that way.
However, it's true that a real Centro rat would never stay in Poblado.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2960854]I personally don't understand why anyone who comes here for a few days at a time and who stays in Poblado would spend the time it takes to navigate Centro when you can walk a few steps to Lleras and point and click your way to a date. A few hundred dollars over a week or two is a drop in the bucket when you think about the up to $2,000 it cost for airline, hotel, and food over a short trip.[/QUOTE]If you are talking about me personally then you are dead wrong. Shortest Medellin trip I took was my first trip to Colombia in Medellin for one month around 6 years ago and I started my Colombian journey at Centro. Plus, my last trip was 6 months last year with most of that time in Medellin.
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However, it's true that a real Centro rat would never stay in Poblado.[/QUOTE]All true Centro rats stay in hotels within 5 blocks of Centro. Real rats eat, sleep, and hunt in Centro.
[QUOTE=Gabacho;2961444]Well in that case what is your solution to make sure you are in compliance with the law?[/QUOTE]You post so much but have not learned the foundations needed to build true knowledge. There is and never will be a magic full proof bullet to keep you safe, only different levels of safety. Such as sourcing your girl through a casa, strip club, or massage parlor. They will normally take all the heat from the police and not you. I knew several girls with fake IDs and owns that used their older sisters ID. Easy for the girl to remember all her older sisters information since sisters share just about everything and usually have the same eyes so near impossible to tell the ID does not belong to the younger sister. I learned all my info in the Philippines. Had a police setup done on me and taken to the CIDG (PH FBI) station which was known for setups. Spent 10 hours there before they let me go. I paid nothing because I never touched the girl and I knew my Sht. I should get paid for what I know. I will give you some pointers. First text her you are now staying in a different hotel or apartment nearby and give the fake address and room number. Meet away a block away. Take away their phone so they can not text or call their friend who in turn will call their other friend or family member who is a police officer who is waiting for the call. Tell her she can have it back once you finish and she is outside your place. Walk separately with her in front to avoid stares. If she is behind you she may talk to someone and you would not know it. Never let a lady boy help you find a girl. They are the worst followed by regular guys. Always use girls. Local guys are not your friends! I could go on and on. That was 15 years ago. All the guys I knew at that time had all been set up. I knew a guy who was setup 3 times that I know of. I am in the top 5% who did not pay. So many stories.
It always amazes me about all the idiots that take girls in Centro. It is so damn simple. DO AS THE LOCALS DO! The girl walks to the hotel and the local guy follows her at a distance. But not the foreigner idiots. They want to be seen with the girl almost holding hands with her going to the hotel so everybody knows what is going on. I know it is no secret but you should never announce it.
Gabacho. The safest way to have sex is to sex a grandma. Actually, that is not true either because if she is married that is another can of worms so 'Rosey Palms' is your safest bet.
[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2961540]If you are talking about me personally then you are dead wrong. Shortest Medellin trip I took was my first trip to Colombia in Medellin for one month around 6 years ago and I started my Colombian journey at Centro. Plus, my last trip was 6 months last year with most of that time in Medellin.
All true Centro rats stay in hotels within 5 blocks of Centro. Real rats eat, sleep, and hunt in Centro.
You post so much but have not learned the foundations needed to build true knowledge. There is and never will be a magic full proof bullet to keep you safe, only different levels of safety. Such as sourcing your girl through a casa, strip club, or massage parlor. They will normally take all the heat from the police and not you. I knew several girls with fake IDs and owns that used their older sisters ID. Easy for the girl to remember all her older sisters information since sisters share just about everything and usually have the same eyes so near impossible to tell the ID does not belong to the younger sister. I learned all my info in the Philippines. Had a police setup done on me and taken to the CIDG (PH FBI) station which was known for setups. Spent 10 hours there before they let me go. I paid nothing because I never touched the girl and I knew my Sht. I should get paid for what I know. I will give you some pointers. First text her you are now staying in a different hotel or apartment nearby and give the fake address and room number. Meet away a block away. Take away their phone so they can not text or call their friend who in turn will call their other friend or family member who is a police officer who is waiting for the call. Tell her she can have it back once you finish and she is outside your place. Walk separately with her in front to avoid stares. If she is behind you she may talk to someone and you would not know it..[/QUOTE]Thank you for chiming in LoveItHere.
The answer I was looking for from MB1 was something along the lines of use a place similar to classic (where I'm at right now as I type this). Obviously if your are inside an establishment the girls who are 18 have to really be 18.
Thanks for your input, however argumentative it might be.
Oh and there's some grannies in Bogota in la capuchina are (calle 18 entre carera 14 and carera 12) LOL.
Gabacho.
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2961466]I'm trying to look at it from a different perspective. I'm thinking about convenience. You know what the rush hour traffic is like in Medellin. If you are staying in Laureles or Poblado and you dip your toe in the Centro rat lifestyle, you are going to want to get out of Dodge once the sun goes down. That's the heart of rush hour. It's no fun sitting in an uber in rush hour traffic. If I'm here for one or two weeks of my hard earned vacation time I can't imagine letting any of it fritter away while I'm staring at the back of another car listening to reggaeton on a scratch shitty car radio.[/QUOTE]Take the Metro.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2961119]The problem is that even if ID is real, it might not be theirs. Happens all the time. Girls all look alike on IDs and it is difficult to find out if the person standing in front of you is indeed the person on ID.[/QUOTE]There are no 8's, 9's, or 10's on ID cards. You are seeing the real person, not their filters or alter egos.