Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2996658]Pattaya is a city where there's something for everyone, no matter your style, your budget, or your attitude toward the game. Some guys like to buy lady drinks, some don't. Some bar fine, some just have a chat and move on. Some use apps like ThaiFriendly or Tinder to set things up, others prefer to walk into a bar and see what happens. No right, no wrong, just personal choice.

There's too much negativity floating around about how much you should spend or how others do it. Don't get caught up in the price police or the "don't spend a baht more than necessary" crowd. If you want to go big, go big. If you want to play it simple, do that. If you're somewhere in between, that's fine too.

Be respectful to the girls, do your thing, and don't worry about what anyone else thinks. Pattaya has a place for the budget hunters, the high rollers, and everybody in between. Post your experiences, have some laughs, and remember, the only wrong way to monger here is to let someone else tell you how you should enjoy your trip, your time or how to spend money.[/QUOTE]Part of the sentiment that you're picking up on from complaining other posters is the fact that they don't like the idea of it changing eventually to an unrecognizable point. I've seen it happen in other places around the world and eventually it will happen to Thailand as well. Thailand and its seedy districts will eventually become fully commercialized and then cease from existence. Might be ten years, might take thirty years, but it'll happen. Thailand is by far above my favorite place on this earth. In fact, no other place even ranks a close second. And so when I see it changing and not for the good of us mongers, it irks me to no end. Western influence will eventually win and then all you will be able to do is come here and reminisce.

With the coming AI, advancements in technology, robotics, and so forth you can bet your bottom dollar Thailand is going to be impacted by some of this. And rather quickly. There will come a day when there is no more mongering at all.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2996897]What's the point of a blowjob if there's a condom involved? I get it with sex. Sure, condom, why not. But for a blowjob? This sounds like a scary and sad development.[/QUOTE]This has been mentioned before by someone (don't know anymore if it was Rocko20 or someone else), but personally I have not experienced it. Not yet anyway.
Last time I was in Pattaya was in December last year, and all freelancers I had gave me a BBBJ. But I have to add that I always ask for BBFS upfront, so I guess that automatically includes BBBJ.

Trying to escape from water fights on WS. Try to duck into Leela. Told them I would buy a drink. Was told no and that I was wrong color. Same happened at Boss. Oh well, at least Peppermint welcomed me with open arms. But it was bad, very bad. The Happy Group (Peppermint, Baccara, Beach, and Happy) do not bring happy or joy anymore. Sad that Electric Blue can make a comeback but Happy cannot.

All I can say is mamasan that used to work WhatsUp made a change and took all the ultra hot girls with her. From which to where, you have to find out for yourself. No idea on WhatsUp, then do some research on here. At one time, was one of the best of the best. Probably funniest club ever. Now I am showing my old age.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2996607]This story spans over a 8 months? Man, show us a pic of the Sandy and one us OGs will fuck her for you.[/QUOTE]Relay this message to your OG's, whoever they are.

"Try and fail, but don't fail to try".

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2996855]The gatekepers and pocket watchers will never accept these facts, which is why I don't bother mentioning prices in any of my trip reports. Having mongered in multiple countries over the course of a decade, price isn't even the real problem.

It's service and talent. Many working girls (particularly freelancers) don't even want to give bareback blowjobs anymore and the talent (number of hot women in a bar or disco) has fallen off a cliff compared to Pattaya 10-15+ years ago.

But Pattaya is still 100x better than anything else, so I will continue to go regardless of prices, service, and talent compared to what it was 10-15+ years ago.[/QUOTE]Being realistic is the most important if you are going to post reports in the Pattaya section or any section on ISG. For pricing in Pattaya, if every monger budgets 2000 Baht per girl for a short time encounter, they will be safe. Some ladies will charge a little more or less depending on the venue, the location and type of girl, freelancer or bar girl and the type of service you want. But budgeting 2000 Baht is a safe bet. Some days you will pay a little more and other days a little less. It will all even out in the end.

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2997095]Relay this message to your OG's, whoever they are.

"Try and fail, but don't fail to try".[/QUOTE]My original comment was all in fun and ass cheek, but thanks for the pic. You sir have a nice sense of selection from what I saw. Keep them guessing and keep the story going please. Reminds me of the old FLHawk type of literary tales. Classics indeed!

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2997198]Being realistic is the most important if you are going to post reports in the Pattaya section or any section on ISG. For pricing in Pattaya, if every monger budgets 2000 Baht per girl for a short time encounter, they will be safe. Some ladies will charge a little more or less depending on the venue, the location and type of girl, freelancer or bar girl and the type of service you want. But budgeting 2000 Baht is a safe bet. Some days you will pay a little more and other days a little less. It will all even out in the end.[/QUOTE]I can agree as long as one stays away from the gogo bars 2000 baht should get it done in most cases.

Is mid June a good time to visit pattaya?

Couple of weeks back. There was a booth with tables, literature and posters for the PrEP Medication. I remember Explorer was asking about where to possibly buy this stuff. I was just passing thru and somewhat surprised to see 2 desks and staff have a setup for apparently free info. This was just before Songkron. But I Was there 2 weeks ago and it was just apposite Hedonism club.

Back from a 1 month stay -.

Good:

BBFS was easy to get.

Good looking ladies on Soy 6 - spent 75% of time here. Can't understand why GoGo's are so popular? Maybe its because some guys need a show? Well all I want is to fuck. Had some Killer Sessions with great attitudes and fair prices.

Cost of hotel for 1 month. Can't beat Thailand! Cheap!

Buyers Market! Many ladies are wanting to make a deal and take your cock for a ride. Smile like a game show host and buy 1 lady drink -and I had about 60% of the ladies appear genuinely happy I wanted more than just a drink session.

Not many punters compared to ladies! We have the edge right now.

Bad:

Beach Road. Far less ladies than expected. Especially 8 pm - 10 pm nights.

I still can't get Thai Friendly dates like others. I give up. Many did ask me to go to their bar, so what's the point?

Maggie Mays, Buzzin Bar on the opposite side, and a few others. Why waste time here? Soy 6 is 10 X better for ladies who are better looking.

Ugly:

4,000 Baht requests from ladies from places like 3 Angeles Club Soy 6 - 5 Drinks at a time Demands -. Hell no! 1 drink first and let's see!

Pollution from motorbikes / way way way too many sales carts bumping into my knees.

Some ladies are indeed drink only and not interested in boom-boom.

Way way way too many Video cameras and want to be YouTube creators taking video blogs running around.

MISC Comments: I forced a good attitude by smiling a lot and it works! If no vibe after 2 lady drinks, I ditched her. Never went to Walking Street (why bother?) Tree town and LK Metro. Lots of free lancers but did not pull the trigger as Beach Road and Soy 6 had far better options, the phrase "I am new employee in bar 4 days only" must be pre-programmed by mamasans into the ladies phones. As I was shown this more than 2 x. Hahhaahaa. Got to love these ladies!

Part 3.

Sandy reaches for the bin and picks up the invoice. She turns to me and asks, "Put 400 Baht?" Yes! Just like the Enrique Iglesias song, "Tonight, I'm fucking you. " When she brings the final invoice, the total amount is 1,475 Baht. I gladly pay the amount and off we head for the stairs to heaven on the second floor. Sandy leads the way and I'm following behind her. As we go up the stairs, I'm preoccupied with staring at her beautiful ass that I do not realize that she is not carrying any towels with her. I only notice it once we are inside the room.

I ask her, "Where are the towels?" She says, "No towels. Today is my first day at Sexy. " Well, this day is going from great to bad. "What do you mean no towels?" Apparently, someone fucked up and there were no fresh towels at Sexy in the City that day. Thank you mamasan or manager or cashier or whoever for not telling me. So what did we do about the no towel situation? We improvised. That's all I'm going to say. (Also, while some girls lie about this being their first day at the shop, I do believe that this is really Sandy's first day at Sexy.).

I help Sandy get undressed. I cannot believe that this is actually happening. I thought the day would never come. Her natural breasts look quite large in the photo. But push-up bras are very deceptive. Her breasts aren't that big when the bra comes off. Even Sandy says that her breasts are small. But they are natural and very firm. That is more than good enough for me.

To be continued.

I guess Beach Road is 'Au Naturel', or up to the punter ... but what is the general rule on the more-institutionalised Soi 6 these days? Without for an extra fee? Or easier just to negotiate with Thai Friendly / onliners for one's preferred deal?

[QUOTE=Trevor2522;2998050]I guess Beach Road is 'Au Naturel', or up to the punter ... but what is the general rule on the more-institutionalised Soi 6 these days? Without for an extra fee? Or easier just to negotiate with Thai Friendly / onliners for one's preferred deal?[/QUOTE]If you go with a Beach Road lady and don't use a condom, you are playing Russian roulette. They frequently go with groups of South Asian men for 500 baht per. It's not uncommon for ladies to go with 8 guys.

Not that South Asian men are more likely to carry infections, but fucking large quantities of customers makes the ladies more prone to disease.

Today, April 20, is the start of Low Season. Foreign tourists pack up and leave. The airport buses will be full today, and Bolt taxis to Suvarnabhumi will be busy.

The ladies today are broke, having spent Songkran throwing water and drinking.

I will still avoid central Pattaya today, because some foreigners might not realize that Songkran is over, and may still throw water at random people.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2998094]Such an informative report! I especially like the advice to smile and have a positive attitude. Pattaya runs on customer service. If you're a sour faced tosser you start with two strikes against you.[/QUOTE]Thanks Man!

Indeed I have had a poor attitude in the past for many dumb reasons; ED, Can't Drink due to ED, Empty Stomach to allow the ED meds to work better, being edgy over performing. And then the classic stuff:

Where You From?

Where You Stay?

First time Thailand?

You Buy Me 5 Tequila?

You have friends (that you're meeting here?)

You on Holiday?

You married?

You do what Job ka'?

So This Trip I decided to turn the frown upside down, fake it till I make it and play the odds!! I decided to just go with the flow and not be Stingy with INTRO 1 or 2 ladies drinks. And kept my focus on HER. And I did smile and listen. I even complimented her tattoos and asked if she went to the Tattoo event on beach road that was about 10 days ago. I had Google Translate assist. I also:

Did NOT mention other bars. Or other girls. I did lie and say I only arrived 2 days ago for 25 days -to about 15 ladies with a bright smile! Rub back, smile, compliment tattoos, I was perched up at that bar directly across the tattoo artist with the BullDog logo - and they have a BullDog maskot too. The place with large Red chairs, pool table and is close to beach road. I told the waitress / freelancer "I like that BullDog" and she said "You like Buddha?" and we had a moment over that. (There are some hotter that fish grease ladies at this place)!

Basically, if you go to Corner bar. At the other end of Soy 6 - you'll see the opposite of how I acted. This is how I previously was in previous trips. Drunk, zoned out on sports games, telling war stories like I was in special forces. And running to the toilet ever 10 minutes. What changed is I played the odds- 70% of the ladies will agree to my special request to forget the latex. Some say absolutely not. And that's fine. Next! Also I smiled with genuine happiness in that I was able to rise up against the ED issue. By learning to Fuck First then eat and drink! Hhhahahah. The ED pills work far better on an empty stomach and water / coconut milk. Previous trips I had pizza, Thatcher Cider, Sticky Rice, you get it. Too many carbs. This past 6 months I have more or less reduced sugar and carbs and take supplements that make me confidant I can shoot the lady in the tits or mouth with my load. And that keeps the smile going!

Semi Pro Tip. I would break out the Viagra (Sidenafil Citrate) tabs and show some of the ladies. If they said "you sick, what that is?" That might mean she's relatively new. But to be honest. I had a GREAT session with a lady at Sexy in the City that said she wanted me to eat it for her! - that was the cue to take her upstairs to the room!

But yes, smiling, being extra polite and gentle works! Don't be grumpy, frowning, stern and pissed off. Even if you are. I always asked about BB in a bashful tone. But not sure that matters. These ladies are not bashful in asking for 5 tequila shots.

[QUOTE=PhilipMarlow;2998196]He's Canadian and the bar is in Chiang Mai, in the boxing stadium. Jax Bar. It's his second bar in CM, the first one went belly up. He's really open about everything, including costs, his losses and failures. He has a great series of videos about his experiences, and a website to assist others who want to open a bar.[/QUOTE]Makes me think that even I can open a bar then, looks pretty easy.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2998377]Makes me think that even I can open a bar then, looks pretty easy.[/QUOTE]You might want to watch his videos first, especially the earlier ones.

Part 5.

I tell Sandy to wait for me tomorrow. I will pay her barfine and take her to my hotel. You guys already know what happens when I bring a girl back to my hotel. She is going to get the big "Quattro" treatment from me. Sandy promises to wait for me.

The next day, I return to Sexy in the City. However, I cannot find Sandy. I ask the mamasan. She says that Sandy went AWOL. So Sandy works one day at Sexy, doesn't like what she sees, and decides to not show up. I text Sandy but I get no reply. This girl is an enigma. Never tell the girl to wait for you. It never works. I give minus one point to Sandy for being unreliable.

Three days later, I'm at a beer bar in Soi Buakhao. Someone voice calls me in Line. You can guess who it is. It is Sandy. Baby, where were you for the last three days? She says she was sick. This I do not believe. I have reason to believe that she was with a highroller who was in town for a few days. But I have no proof. Sandy tells me that she is working at yet another bar in Soi 6. I forget the name. She doesn't ask me to come. But I know that she wants me to. Otherwise, why would she be calling me? I turn her down because I'm not in the mood to go to Soi 6 on my last night in Pattaya. Sandy always seems to contact me when I'm leaving or about to leave Pattaya.

Five months pass by and I am in Pattaya again. The month is March, a whole year after I first met Sandy in March of last year. I text Sandy and tell her I am in Pattaya. The way she responds will tell me if she is interested or not. After three hours, she replies with a simple, "Ok". So she is not interested. She probably doesn't remember me again. I do not get to see Sandy this time nor do I ever see her again. Sandy is a wild filly that cannot be tamed. I need to move on. And the story ends here.

Or does it?

I found a photo of the Nightwish girl that ditched me for the young and handsome guy.

Her name is Dream and she works at Where Angels Play. But she's certainly no angel.

I'm not recommending her. In fact, I'm advising everyone to stay away from her. She will give you major nightmares. I don't need to fuck her to know that.

Also, she's fat now and wears one of them smartwatches from overcharging young and handsome guys.

Yes, I tried and failed. But I didn't fail to try.

Is it low season since it's the start of monsoon / raining season? I plan to visit in mid June. Will it still be low season then?

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2998145]Today, April 20, is the start of Low Season. Foreign tourists pack up and leave. The airport buses will be full today, and Bolt taxis to Suvarnabhumi will be busy.

The ladies today are broke, having spent Songkran throwing water and drinking.

I will still avoid central Pattaya today, because some foreigners might not realize that Songkran is over, and may still throw water at random people.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2998480]I found a photo of the Nightwish girl that ditched me for the young and handsome guy.

Her name is Dream and she works at Where Angels Play. But she's certainly no angel.

I'm not recommending her. In fact, I'm advising everyone to stay away from her. She will give you major nightmares. I don't need to fuck her to know that.

Also, she's fat now and wears one of them smartwatches from overcharging young and handsome guys.

Yes, I tried and failed. But I didn't fail to try.[/QUOTE]That's funny you post that picture because she is the one who refused to seat with me a few months back.

She didn't look to be after young and handsome guys though, I had the feeling she was after Asians only, and nobody gave her any interrest back. From your posts I see she still didn't understand how to get the best from her work, too bad for both her and us but that's the way it is. Only a few girls understand how to become succesful in the soi.

I even wrote something about her during that trip:

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2958407]I spotted a girl I saw earlier on a YouTube video in another bar and found out she looks quite good in real life too. The face she made when I came to her, the poor girl looked terrorized. She brought my order at my table and went straight to the front of the bar and sat with her friends. Funny thing is I could see her trying to get guys in (not even a single one cared about her by the way), there was the usual Asian Young dude but even the old Chinese guys who look like they are stinking tobacco from every part of their body, with their old styled clothes on. That's the moment you realise despite your efforts to smell good, dress well and try to keep a healthy life, you look even shittier than these guys to these girls eyes. It was a bit annoying but not that much, because I was mostly taking shelter from the rain, and could at least see that that bar had absolutely zero other girls I could be interrested in (Where angels Play).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2998431]Part 5.

I tell Sandy to wait for me tomorrow. I will pay her barfine and take her to my hotel. [/QUOTE]Beginner's mistake, You never leave anything to another time or day when it comes to hookers. They live with a "Bird in the hand" mentality. If a dude Barfined her today, and wants to keep her, he's the one wallet she's sure of, she's not about to ditch him for an uncertain wallet who might not show up.

I bet you she's been stood up many times.

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[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2998616]Beginner's mistake, You never leave anything to another time or day when it comes to hookers. They live with a "Bird in the hand" mentality. If a dude Barfined her today, and wants to keep her, he's the one wallet she's sure of, she's not about to ditch him for an uncertain wallet who might not show up.

I bet you she's been stood up many times.[/QUOTE]Great comment. The thing with women are that they want a confident and decisive man. One that will control the situation and have a clear plan of action. I agree that if you put things off until a later time she will go for a better or current deal instead of waiting on something that is not right now. I feel that if she didn't have anything going on then she would start reaching out and that's why she probably was already entertaining another cock. Guys, don't leave things up to women, they can even fuck up their own plans. Be sure, be confident and lay out what you want and how you want. They should be catering to you and not the other way around.

Hello,

I'll be visiting Pattaya this June and have booked a double occupancy room, although I'll be traveling alone. I don't drink or smoke, and my main purpose for the trip is to explore the local adult scene.

I'm particularly interested in experiencing a threesome (FFM). I plan to use Thai Friendly to connect with potential partners. Would it be better to approach two women individually and see if they're open to it, or should I ask one to bring a friend she's comfortable with? I'm looking for a good level of chemistry between them as well.

Also, are there usually any issues bringing two girls back to a hotel room in Pattaya, assuming it's a guest-friendly hotel?

Getting this done via Thai friendly would be tricky. Unless you find someone and has a friend that can tag along. I'd recommend you pick a decent freelancer of the street. Let her know you need to do a threesome and if she is comfortable just walk around with her and pick another girl. And take both back to the hotel. And pay both the same amount.

[QUOTE=SaturnDays;2998664]Hello,

I'll be visiting Pattaya this June and have booked a double occupancy room, although I'll be traveling alone. I don't drink or smoke, and my main purpose for the trip is to explore the local adult scene.

I'm particularly interested in experiencing a threesome (FFM). I plan to use Thai Friendly to connect with potential partners. Would it be better to approach two women individually and see if they're open to it, or should I ask one to bring a friend she's comfortable with? I'm looking for a good level of chemistry between them as well.

Also, are there usually any issues bringing two girls back to a hotel room in Pattaya, assuming it's a guest-friendly hotel?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SaturnDays;2998664]Hello,

I'll be visiting Pattaya this June and have booked a double occupancy room, although I'll be traveling alone. I don't drink or smoke, and my main purpose for the trip is to explore the local adult scene.

I'm particularly interested in experiencing a threesome (FFM). I plan to use Thai Friendly to connect with potential partners. Would it be better to approach two women individually and see if they're open to it, or should I ask one to bring a friend she's comfortable with? I'm looking for a good level of chemistry between them as well.

Also, are there usually any issues bringing two girls back to a hotel room in Pattaya, assuming it's a guest-friendly hotel?[/QUOTE]If you book double occupancy and bring an extra lady, you will probably have to pay a joiner fee.

Also, if you have 2 ladies, both will likely require condoms.

Don't expect them to play much with each other, although they may do a show. Despite the tomboys, lady boys and gay boys, girl-girl is socially unacceptable in Thailand.

Part 4.

I take a shower first and wait for Sandy while she is taking a shower. I'm sitting up resting against the headboard of the bed when Sandy emerges from the bathroom. She approaches me and starts working on me right away. She sticks her tongue in my mouth without forewarning and also without my permission. However, I do reciprocate because it feels so good. Then, again without notice, she drops her head to my crotch and starts sucking on my bare dick. I did not expect this at all. This girl looks very pristine, but in fact, she is quite wild. I thought I would get nothing more than straight vaginal penetration with protection. She raises her head and this time I stick my tongue in her mouth and she seems to relish it. Then, I make her lie down. I put on a condom and enter her. Immediately, she starts moaning loudly in immense pleasure. This girl is full of surprises. I think she is sexually repressed for reasons unknown to me. After about 10 minutes of pounding, she says that she wants me to fuck her doggy-style. She gets up and positions herself on all fours. Then, my erectile dysfunction, which had been absent for the last 10 minutes, raises its hand and says, "Don't forget about me, boss!" and my dick immediately goes limp. With most girls, when this happens, it's over. You don't get another chance. But Sandy wants more. So I tell her. Wait. I rush to the shower, take the condom off, and quickly wash my dick. When I return to the bed, Sandy is waiting for me with open arms. This time I take the lead and stick my tongue in her sweet mouth. Her saliva tastes so good. Then, I push her head down and make her suck my dick again. She complies readily. She gives me a really good and wet bareback blowjob. Then, she gets on all her fours again and I put on another condom.

I do not like fucking girls from behind because I want to see their face. I also like to whisper dirty words in their ear. But since this is an open invitation I will probably never get again, I enter her from behind. I just enter her fully and remain like that. I do not make any piston movements. Then, I start slapping both her butt cheeks with my hands. I expect her to complain. But rather, she seems to like it a lot. So I start slapping her butt cheeks more and harder, which seems to give her even more and more pleasure. Both butt cheeks were as red as a tomato when I was done. Sandy turns around and lies down in exhaustion. I didn't know that I could knock out a girl like that with my erectile dysfunction. I get on top of her because I want to pound her more. But my ED is not letting me have it. So I do the only thing that is possible at this point. I again stick my tongue in her mouth which she seems to love sucking.

To be continued.

I have been to Pattaya twice before, and going again next month. I've never been to Walking Street or LK Metro. All the girls I've got was either Soi 6, TF, or massage parlors.

I tried one Gentleman Bar (I think it was Maggie May's), but the only hot girl was occupied by a big spender for the night. I've been to a few other places in Treetown where the girls were obviously just trying to get paid through lady drinks, so I left.

I've read that the hottest girls are in the Go-Go bars. Does everyone agree with this? Are they as easy to ST as the girls on Soi 6? That's all I'm interested in. I don't want to buy a bunch of lady drinks if I can avoid it. What is your opinion of the best go-go bar to do this? Are the girls actually significantly better looking than Soi 6?

My ideal situation is. Walk in, find the hottest girl, walk up to her and get the price. Go to the ST room on site. This is what I do on Soi 6. Most of the time I don't even buy a lady drink, but I give them a "fee" in replacement of the cost.

If this is possible in the go-go's, what should I expect the ST price to be?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2998832]Part 4.

I take a shower first and wait for Sandy while she is taking a shower. I'm sitting up resting against the headboard of the bed when Sandy emerges from the bathroom. She approaches me and starts working on me right away. She sticks her tongue in my mouth without forewarning and also without my permission. However, I do reciprocate because it feels so good. Then, again without notice, she drops her head to my crotch and starts sucking on my bare dick. I did not expect this at all. This girl looks very pristine, but in fact, she is quite wild. I thought I would get nothing more than straight vaginal penetration with protection. She raises her head and this time I stick my tongue in her mouth and she seems to relish it. Then, I make her lie down. I put on a condom and enter her. Immediately, she starts moaning loudly in immense pleasure. This girl is full of surprises. I think she is sexually repressed for reasons unknown to me. After about 10 minutes of pounding, she says that she wants me to fuck her doggy-style. She gets up and positions herself on all fours. Then, my erectile dysfunction, which had been absent for the last 10 minutes, raises its hand and says, "Don't forget about me, boss!" and my dick immediately goes limp. With most girls, when this happens, it's over. You don't get another chance. But Sandy wants more. So I tell her. Wait. I rush to the shower, take the condom off, and quickly wash my dick. When I return to the bed, Sandy is waiting for me with open arms. This time I take the lead and stick my tongue in her sweet mouth. Her saliva tastes so good. Then, I push her head down and make her suck my dick again. She complies readily. She gives me a really good and wet bareback blowjob. Then, she gets on all her fours again and I put on another condom.

I do not like fucking girls from behind because I want to see their face. I also like to whisper dirty words in their ear. But since this is an open invitation I will probably never get again, I enter her from behind. I just enter her fully and remain like that. I do not make any piston movements. Then, I start slapping both her butt cheeks with my hands. I expect her to complain. But rather, she seems to like it a lot. So I start slapping her butt cheeks more and harder, which seems to give her even more and more pleasure. Both butt cheeks were as red as a tomato when I was done. Sandy turns around and lies down in exhaustion. I didn't know that I could knock out a girl like that with my erectile dysfunction. I get on top of her because I want to pound her more. But my ED is not letting me have it. So I do the only thing that is possible at this point. I again stick my tongue in her mouth which she seems to love sucking.

To be continued.[/QUOTE]Part 5 is below so really confused now as we have part 4 coming after part 5. However, there seems to be some discrepancies in the stories and their links. Thanks for posting though. It was entertaining and fired some good interesting discussions. Nice climactic ending too. However, the truth wore a mask so often, it started to believe its own disguise. Anyways, glad it all seemed to of worked out. Cheers.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2998878]Part 5 is below so really confused now as we have part 4 coming after part 5. However, there seems to be some discrepancies in the stories and their links. Thanks for posting though. It was entertaining and fired some good interesting discussions. Nice climactic ending too. However, the truth wore a mask so often, it started to believe its own disguise. Anyways, glad it all seemed to of worked out. Cheers.[/QUOTE]You are welcome, bro. My 5-part story about Sandy is styled a la Kaleidoscope. If people do not know what that means, then watch Kaleidoscope on Netflix.

Every now and then, there needs to be villains like me so that the good guys have someone to go after.

Seriously, what would Batman do everyday without the Joker?

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2998844]I have been to Pattaya twice before, and going again next month. I've never been to Walking Street or LK Metro. All the girls I've got was either Soi 6, TF, or massage parlors.

I tried one Gentleman Bar (I think it was Maggie May's), but the only hot girl was occupied by a big spender for the night. I've been to a few other places in Treetown where the girls were obviously just trying to get paid through lady drinks, so I left.

I've read that the hottest girls are in the Go-Go bars. Does everyone agree with this? Are they as easy to ST as the girls on Soi 6? That's all I'm interested in. I don't want to buy a bunch of lady drinks if I can avoid it. What is your opinion of the best go-go bar to do this? Are the girls actually significantly better looking than Soi 6?

My ideal situation is. Walk in, find the hottest girl, walk up to her and get the price. Go to the ST room on site. This is what I do on Soi 6. Most of the time I don't even buy a lady drink, but I give them a "fee" in replacement of the cost.

If this is possible in the go-go's, what should I expect the ST price to be?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Yeah, some guys have had success walking into a bar, skipping the song and dance, and heading straight upstairs for a ST, no drinks, no chit-chat, just business. But others, like Falcon95, haven't been so lucky. Take Mods bar for example, he was told flat out: no lady drinks, no ST, not even a conversation. That's the gamble.

Now, try that same move in a go-go bar and you're probably walking out with nothing but blue balls and a lighter wallet. The success rate for skipping the drink ritual in go-gos is far lower than on Soi 6. That's just facts.

My recommendation? Buy two lady drinks, not forty unless you're a masochist like me, and keep it moving. It keeps the vibe smooth and opens the door for negotiations. Most go-go bars don't have ST rooms on-site, but you'll find plenty just off Walking Street or around LK Metro, so don't stress that part.

One thing to watch out for is the drink quota hustle. If it's the end of her contract and she's short on drinks, she'll push hard. I've seen girls go from flirty to full-blown sales mode once they realize they're 10 drinks short of a bonus. And if it's her last day? Good luck sticking to just two drinks, you'll be guilt-tripped, pouted at, and maybe even slow-played until you cave. Then there is the "Can you help my sister, she has not had a drink today" You will learn fast that your bar girl has more sisters than the Catholic Church.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2998944]Most go-go bars don't have ST rooms on-site, but you'll find plenty just off Walking Street or around LK Metro, so don't stress that part.[/QUOTE]Thanks.

How do I find the ST rooms on Walking Street or LK Metro? Can you recommend any specific go-go's?

I returned 2 weeks ago from pattaya and I did go early in evening to windmill go-go specifically to look at hot young, nude ladies dancing. There were none upstairs or down. Some pretty ladies most just rock back and forth on feet. The nudes ladies sat on floor showing little. Most young ladies I found in most pattaya bars need lessons in dance and attitude. I'm older but found the 30 plus ladies to be much more interactive and fun and there are many 7-9 in looks if good with natural be's and great smile, attitude. Many times stunners are cold fish.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2998982]Thanks.

How do I find the ST rooms on Walking Street or LK Metro? Can you recommend specific go-gos?[/QUOTE]When you are arranging things with a willing girl, just say something like: "We go short time room OK?" (If you wanted to go back to your place, the ask would be: "We go my hotel short time, OK? Once she changes clothes and you step outside she'll know a place that's close by -- usually within walking distance. It's been years since I used a short time room, but I'll guess the fee would be 300-500 baht.

It's useless to ask "which go gos have the best girls?" The lineup changes from day to day. We have no idea what kind of girls you prefer.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2998844]I have been to Pattaya twice before, and going again next month. I've never been to Walking Street or LK Metro. All the girls I've got was either Soi 6, TF, or massage parlors.

I tried one Gentleman Bar (I think it was Maggie May's), but the only hot girl was occupied by a big spender for the night. I've been to a few other places in Treetown where the girls were obviously just trying to get paid through lady drinks, so I left.

I've read that the hottest girls are in the Go-Go bars. Does everyone agree with this? Are they as easy to ST as the girls on Soi 6? That's all I'm interested in. I don't want to buy a bunch of lady drinks if I can avoid it. What is your opinion of the best go-go bar to do this? Are the girls actually significantly better looking than Soi 6?

My ideal situation is. Walk in, find the hottest girl, walk up to her and get the price. Go to the ST room on site. This is what I do on Soi 6. Most of the time I don't even buy a lady drink, but I give them a "fee" in replacement of the cost.

If this is possible in the go-go's, what should I expect the ST price to be?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Soi 6 vs W. Street.

The top 100 girls on Walking Street are actually Hot and Pretty.

The top 100 girls on Soi 6 will include a quite a lot of Moo Daengs. Hahaha.

Right next to Goodfellas there's a Head Turner. Fat and Ugly. Nice personality though. I think the Sub would like her. Short too.

Does this make sense.

[QUOTE=Luis2;2999020]I returned 2 weeks ago from pattaya and I did go early in evening to windmill go-go specifically to look at hot young, nude ladies dancing. There were none upstairs or down. Some pretty ladies most just rock back and forth on feet. The nudes ladies sat on floor showing little. Most young ladies I found in most pattaya bars need lessons in dance and attitude. I'm older but found the 30 plus ladies to be much more interactive and fun and there are many 7-9 in looks if good with natural be's and great smile, attitude. Many times stunners are cold fish.[/QUOTE]Did you leave with any of them? I don't care one bit about their dancing ability.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2999043]When you are arranging things with a willing girl, just say something like: "We go short time room OK?" (If you wanted to go back to your place, the ask would be: "We go my hotel short time, OK? Once she changes clothes and you step outside she'll know a place that's close by -- usually within walking distance. It's been years since I used a short time room, but I'll guess the fee would be 300-500 baht.

It's useless to ask "which go gos have the best girls?" The lineup changes from day to day. We have no idea what kind of girls you prefer.[/QUOTE]Are the prices at Pattaya go-go's similar to the prices at Nana Plaza? Which was 3500 last time I was there. I'm okay paying that if the girl is a stunner. Soi 6 I pay 1500 plus the little extras.

[QUOTE=Luis2;2999020]I returned 2 weeks ago from pattaya and I did go early in evening to windmill go-go specifically to look at hot young, nude ladies dancing. There were none upstairs or down. Some pretty ladies most just rock back and forth on feet. The nudes ladies sat on floor showing little. Most young ladies I found in most pattaya bars need lessons in dance and attitude. I'm older but found the 30 plus ladies to be much more interactive and fun and there are many 7-9 in looks if good with natural be's and great smile, attitude. Many times stunners are cold fish.[/QUOTE]The talent at Windmill varies day to day. One time, I ran across a spectacularly hot lady, she shipped out the next day to Taiwan, and subsequently worked around east Asia, ending up in London.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2999051]Soi 6 vs W. Street.

The top 100 girls on Walking Street are actually Hot and Pretty.

The top 100 girls on Soi 6 will include a quite a lot of Moo Daengs. Hahaha.

Right next to Goodfellas there's a Head Turner. Fat and Ugly. Nice personality though. I think the Sub would like her. Short too.

Does this make sense.[/QUOTE]Ok. And how about getting girls on WS for ST? Are there any particular go-go's that are best?

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2999098]Ok. And how about getting girls on WS for ST? Are there any particular go-go's that are best?[/QUOTE]No Agogo has the Market on Hot Girls. Pslce might have 5. Baccarat might have 2. One eye jacks might have 1. I'll even surmise Heaven might have 1.

O keanos was closed last night. Day off or bankrupt?

A girl got barfined at Jack s with one eye. From the side she looked mildly HOT. Another one was what could be Considered attractive.

By the numbers at Jacks. I counted 25 girls. 2 were mildly ok. You do the MATH.

Don't discount Bliss. Not bad Lookers.

Thank you all members for your previous replies to my post for suggestions. We had a great trip and hope to visit few more. Thank you all.

Please Help.

KTV Bar 66.

Lots of attractive Girls Hanging Around. If there is 3 prettiest girl on the Soi 6 at any given time it wouldn't surprise me if they are at Ktv66.

So why is that Bar devoid of Customers.

That side of the Street must be Cursed.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2999517]Please Help.

KTV Bar 66.

Lots of attractive Girls Hanging Around. If there is 3 prettiest girl on the Soi 6 at any given time it wouldn't surprise me if they are at Ktv66.

So why is that Bar devoid of Customers.

That side of the Street must be Cursed.[/QUOTE]That side of the street IS cursed, like you say.

And that bar is for Asian customers, as the name suggests.

The drinks are more expensive and they even overcharge Asian customers, their main clientele.

The girls are mostly drinks-only coyotes.

Thus, the lack of customers.

How come there are no more homeless farangs in Pattaya? I kinda wanted to see more cause it made me feel better about my life. You know it's that thing where you look at the misfortunes of others to remind yourself that your own life isn't that bad then.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPgaO4jQNQs[/URL]

This report is like fucking 12 years ago. You mean to tell me, in the last 12 years, all farangs have gotten their shit together and none of them are homeless in Pattaya?

I need to see more of this, I NEED to feel better about myself, and the ONLY way to do that is to see the suffering of others. I have to know that some of the lucky fucks that get to live the dream in Thailand don't actually make it. That it's not just me that has a miserable life.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2999558]How come there are no more homeless farangs in Pattaya? I kinda wanted to see more cause it made me feel better about my life. You know it's that thing where you look at the misfortunes of others to remind yourself that your own life isn't that bad then.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPgaO4jQNQs[/URL]

This report is like fucking 12 years ago. You mean to tell me, in the last 12 years, all farangs have gotten their shit together and none of them are homeless in Pattaya?

I need to see more of this, I NEED to feel better about myself, and the ONLY way to do that is to see the suffering of others. I have to know that some of the lucky fucks that get to live the dream in Thailand don't actually make it. That it's not just me that has a miserable life.[/QUOTE]Have mods considered banning this guy?

I have a trip to pattaya for May 3rd and I'm like a kid at the candy store again. I have a roster of a beach road freelancer, disco freelancers, and a few go-go bar girls I plan to see. No thai friendly, no dating apps, just the result of dozens of trips, hard work, and walking bar to bar club to club to find what I like.

After all my trips, I will admit that "stunners" can indeed be found on beach road with hard work and patience. I wrote off beach road many times (smelly, nasty, too many Indians, too many africans, too much trash) but the fact remains the right freelancer will always provide the best value for your money so 3-4 nights dedicated towards walking up and down beach road could pay dividends.

Walking Street gogos, as far as I'm concerned it's Pinup and Palace, then everything else. I just can't find anything in XS and the other clubs aren't even visiting. Maybe 79 and Sharks have a few ladies I like.

Soi 6, just can't get into it. Been plenty of times and never saw anything I wanted but will check it out again for the sake of it.

Soapy massages, too robotic with no passion. I might give it another chance though.

LK Metro, never saw anything I wanted.

Gentlemen's clubs, I do plan to try these but I'm not optimistic about the talent.

808, Insomnia, Ibar, Myst, Lucifer etc. I'm not going to find much of anything here. I've been to these discos so many times I know what to expect. It's hit or miss, pure chance when I do find something I want.

Republic. Saw several hot women here and will be going back, but it's loud as hell.

Panda. Same issue as Republic.

Indian clubs on Walking Street. Been to most of them several times, took several thai and non-thai WGs from there, not worth it for hunting and very overpriced. Only worth it for the atmosphere of being in a mega club. Jannatt club (and other WS Indian clubs) do not have Russians, these are Armenians, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and other random countries. They are largely middle aged single mothers, they demand covered BJs and overcharge, give starfish service, and theyre bodies are not in peak shape. And the thais working in these Indian clubs are also older and overcharge. Not worth it. You want Russian or Eastern European, better to go to Dubai. You want Thai, just walk outside.

During negotiations, any freelancer or bar girls requiring "covered BJs" is an automatic no. I'm not spending money on a covered blowjob with my service.

I can't wait for this trip.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2998844]I've read that the hottest girls are in the Go-Go bars. Does everyone agree with this? Are they as easy to ST as the girls on Soi 6? That's all I'm interested in. I don't want to buy a bunch of lady drinks if I can avoid it. What is your opinion of the best go-go bar to do this? Are the girls actually significantly better looking than Soi 6? [/QUOTE]If you want the very hottest, Pinup and Palace (some will mention XS) are the place to be and you need to be there at 8 pm because the hot ones can get barfined or find a customer very fast. Sorry, but the very best stunners on Walking Street do expect you to buy a bunch of lady drinks first, that's the way it works. They will not agree to be barfined for ST or LT before you buy atleast 3-5 drinks. Again, if you refuse, they will chalk you up to a cheap Charley, refuse the barfine, and walk right back on the stage, look for a new customer, or head to the back to linger around until they have to get on the stage again.

Some mongers will tell you to "meet them after work. " LOL, these are WS bar girls not beach road freelancers. They don't want to meet anyone after work when they can use any customer as a barfine and then they're free to do whatever they want after work.
[QUOTE=NRandom940;2998844]
My ideal situation is. Walk in, find the hottest girl, walk up to her and get the price. Go to the ST room on site. This is what I do on Soi 6. Most of the time I don't even buy a lady drink, but I give them a "fee" in replacement of the cost.
[/QUOTE]I've been going to Walking Street go-gos bars for over a decade. It doesn't quite work like that. Every monger would do that if they could and the bar would go bankrupt because it lives off drinks.

Maybe some gogo bar girls don't care, but you're asking for the very hottest on Walking Street so I have to assume you mean XS, Pinup, and Palace.

If you truly want the "hottest without lady drinks," do not go into a walking street go-go bars. Take the time, walk up and down beach road, go into to the discos, walk up and down walking street and be very patient. You will find plenty of decent freelancers at affordable prices.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2999628]......the very best stunners on Walking Street do expect you to buy a bunch of lady drinks first, that's the way it works. They will not agree to be barfined for ST or LT before you buy atleast 3-5 drinks......[/QUOTE]Then after you buy 5 drinks or more she goes off with a Korean leaving you with blueballs.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2999655]Then after you buy 5 drinks or more she goes off with a Korean leaving you with blueballs.[/QUOTE]That's bullshit. When was the last time you were there?

A girl has the autonomy to go with any dude she wants. If the Korean fella has more money for her time, then he wins. Sure, you bought her 5 drinks, but she's there to make money. And most Thai chicks these days know it's the Korean and Japanese that have the cash. Ain't saying it's right, ain't saying it's nice, but that's how it is. Don't hate the playa, hate the game.

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2999550]That side of the street IS cursed, like you say.

And that bar is for Asian customers, as the name suggests.

The drinks are more expensive and they even overcharge Asian customers, their main clientele.

The girls are mostly drinks-only coyotes.

Thus, the lack of customers.[/QUOTE]Soi 6 is going the way of Angeles City in the Philippines. Koreans are slowly pushing out the Farangs, as they buy so many drinks but don't go to the room much. The bargirls have enough money they can afford a Thai man, and they don't want to return to the old days when Soi 6 was all about fucking as many customers as possible every day.

And, like Angeles City, as the Farangs disappear, some ladies will move to other areas, leaving fewer ladies, which leads to fewer Korean customers, and then the inevitable death spiral, leading to the Soi being sold off to build hotels.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2999628]If you want the very hottest, Pinup and Palace (some will mention XS) are the place to be and you need to be there at 8 pm because the hot ones can get barfined or find a customer very fast. Sorry, but the very best stunners on Walking Street do expect you to buy a bunch of lady drinks first, that's the way it works. They will not agree to be barfined for ST or LT before you buy atleast 3-5 drinks. Again, if you refuse, they will chalk you up to a cheap Charley, refuse the barfine, and walk right back on the stage, look for a new customer, or head to the back to linger around until they have to get on the stage again.

Some mongers will tell you to "meet them after work. " LOL, these are WS bar girls not beach road freelancers. They don't want to meet anyone after work when they can use any customer as a barfine and then they're free to do whatever they want after work.
I've been going to Walking Street go-gos bars for over a decade. It doesn't quite work like that. Every monger would do that if they could and the bar would go bankrupt because it lives off drinks.

Maybe some gogo bar girls don't care, but you're asking for the very hottest on Walking Street so I have to assume you mean XS, Pinup, and Palace.

If you truly want the "hottest without lady drinks," do not go into a walking street go-go bars. Take the time, walk up and down beach road, go into to the discos, walk up and down walking street and be very patient. You will find plenty of decent freelancers at affordable prices.[/QUOTE]After I meet their drink quota, what should be my price point expected for ST? I should expect the girls to know a good ST hotel nearby?

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2999604]Have mods considered banning this guy?[/QUOTE]Wow, you come here asking all kinds of questions that have been asked and answered countless of times already, and then you ask if another BM can be banned? RTFF mate!

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2999755]After I meet their drink quota, what should be my price point expected for ST? I should expect the girls to know a good ST hotel nearby?[/QUOTE]1. There is no drink quota, just have 1 drink to break the ice, ST should be anywhere between 2-4 K depending on how she feels.

2. Pay the Barfine.

3. She will know all the hotels around, usually around the 500 600 mark but they are seedy as hell and I would not trust the hygiene.

Best book a room at a nearby 3* hotel (about 1 K 1. 5 K) and you will be a lot more relax.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2999873]1. There is no drink quota, just have 1 drink to break the ice, ST should be anywhere between 2-4 K depending on how she feels.

2. Pay the Barfine.

3. She will know all the hotels around, usually around the 500 600 mark but they are seedy as hell and I would not trust the hygiene.

Best book a room at a nearby 3* hotel (about 1 K 1. 5 K) and you will be a lot more relax.[/QUOTE]Will I need to provide my own condoms?

[QUOTE=NRandom940;3000022]Will I need to provide my own condoms?[/QUOTE]Not only do you need to provide your own condoms, but you will also need to bring your own diapers.

Bar next to Goodfellas. About 7 Chocolate People walked in.

In less than a few minutes the table was Full of Drink Shots. The Girls went wild.

In the same bar about 10 minutes earlier. A Roly Poly Melatonin barfined 2 workers. They were both as Ugly as one can imagine. Does the SUB do 3 somes.

Which agogo allows Indians without big entry fee? Last time I went, pinups asked for 5 K thb entry.

[QUOTE=Satyob;2951428]I have been reading this forum for last 2 years, now its time to contribute.

I have mongering since past 3 yrs. Ventured in China, India (have explored new Delhi in & out), Vietnam, Kazakhstan & Russia.

I have been twice to pattaya in last 6 months.

I will mention the best establishments only / I shall mention the pros and cons also. My adventure was for 6 days and I tried many gcs, gogos & BJ bars.

Best gentlemen clubs (I like hands on action)..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;2999517]Please Help.

KTV Bar 66.

Lots of attractive Girls Hanging Around. If there is 3 prettiest girl on the Soi 6 at any given time it wouldn't surprise me if they are at Ktv66.

So why is that Bar devoid of Customers.

That side of the Street must be Cursed.[/QUOTE]With "KTV" in the name, the bar clearly caters to East Asian customers. The problem comes during time periods that aren't traditional holiday travel times for East Asians, so without Farang customers, the bar is empty.

So finding young attractive girls in Pattaya in 2025 is almost impossible. Finding them for 1,000 to 1,200 back at you hotel is even more difficult.

First search "Secret Thai Place" on google and go there it is about 3 kilometers from Soi 6, walk around and enjoy.

Next, only for guys with medium to small penis sizes you can go this place in Bo Win about 32 kilometers from Pattaya central these girls are super super hot and their kitties are the tightest I have ever experienced. They take some warming up and dick size checking if you are not Asian but this is the best place in. Asia for 1,000 baht back to your room for 1 hour. Search Thanya Clinic in Bo Win and walk around the looping road around the 7/11. Roughly 400 girls, 30 hotels in the area and they are all notel hotels so no ID's or Security so keep your valuables locked up.

See attached map.

Enjoy,

MM.

I was in Pattaya for a few days this month. I am an Indian in my 30's. I am not good looking. To avoid getting stereotyped, I monger alone and groom well.

[B]Soapy Massage Shops[/B]

[U]Sabai Dee[/U]: Arrived around 10 PM. There were no customers. Very few ladies in the fishbowl compared to the huge Honey2. They were all very cheerful, smiling and calling me but I did not fancy anyone much. So I walked out and went to Honey2 next door.

[U]Honey2[/U]: Very crowded with Indians just sitting and staring at the SSS tier ladies. It definitely did not look like they had intentions of actually hiring them. There were a lot of ladies so I ordered coke and took my time to look around. A staff member slid me the price list. I kept the price list on the table and they quickly took it away. Apparently, they were handing out different price lists to different customers. Mine said 6600 baht for SSS ladies. I peeked at the list in another Indian's hand. It said 5900 baht for SSS. I wonder if I am not preferred even within the Indian clientele despite grooming better than the vast majority there. Does anyone know how they decide who gets the more expensive list? I did not particularly like anyone there. SSS were more East Asian looking, the kind that Korean / Japanese customers go after. I did not find anyone worth the price, so I left for Honey1.

[U]Honey1[/U]: Much smaller than Honey2. The papasan seemed to be in a big hurry to get me a lady and close the deal. Too rushed. At Honey1, V tier was the most expensive one, so I went straight to that section of the fishbowl and chose the cutest one. 3900 baht. The body to body soapy massage was nice. On the bed, she refused kissing and BBBJ. I had not negotiated these upfront, so shit out of luck. CBJ and CFS followed. My dick twitched a few times during BJ and each time, despite the condom, she got scared I would propel my cum in her mouth. Makes me wonder if she was new. Overall, it was still not bad. I adored her cute face and the soft smooth skin. I usually find doggystyle hard to do. Adjusting heights of penis and vagina, maintaining the rhythmic hip movement and ensuring my tiny fucking penis does not slip out is hard. With this lady, it was effortless somehow. Just grabbed her waist and went at it hard until orgasm. I usually tip well but none given here. DFK is really important to me.

[B]Walking Street GoGo Bars[/B]

I was very curious to take a peek at the talent in Pin Up at least once to see what the fuss is about. Arrived around 10 PM.

For those unaware, Indians are asked to pay a 5000 baht membership fee. I greeted the doormen and offered 500 baht. They said, "5000 baht, not 500." I showed a message I had already translated in Thai, "I will spend much more inside. I cannot spend 5000 just for entry. " One guard asked for 1000 baht and took it in a hush hush manner. It was quite an unnecessary expense but fuck it. It is not like I regularly visit Walking Street.

Inside, I was treated like a VIP by the staff. It is possible everyone just assumed I actually paid 5000 baht. Without me asking, security moved me to a location with a better view of the stage. All the guards were unnecessarily cheerful towards me, escorting me to the washroom, etc. One almost started dancing multiple times while facing me. It was a little awkward. I guess they were all looking for tips. When I left, 3-4 doormen demanded tips. One held me by the arm. I hate the armholding. I have seen doormen at other gogo bars do it too. I just said "ladies here do not like me" (a bit of an exaggeration) and left while they continued to demand tips.

On to the most important part, the ladies. I do not understand the craze around Pin Up. I was expecting the place would be packed with 9's and 10's but it was all 6-8's. Clearly not worth the crazy barfines and ST / LT prices. An earlier poster suggested coming around 8 PM, maybe I was late. I bought drinks for 3 ladies. The most beautiful one said she only drinks in the bar and does not go with customers. Second one asked for 8,000 baht for LT but agreed to 7,000. Damage would be 10,000 after barfine. Maybe more in case the 5 LD rule was brought up later. There was zero sense to that cost because she was not even a solid 8 in my book. I just said "I am too poor for this" and had her go. I do not remember the talk with the third one but that too was lukewarm.

I was denied entry at Fahrenheit and Shark. No talk of an entry fee by the doormen. They just shook their heads at me and looked away. Embarrassing. These bars will never be seeing me again.

I could have gone to XS and said I already paid the entry fee at Pin Up. But I had enough of the gogo bar doormen for the night.

Damage: about 2300 baht including doorman tip, my drink, lady drinks and a couple tips here and there.

[B]Gentlemen's Clubs[/B]

Arrived at Heaven Above around 6 PM and spotted a couple of cute ladies. Bought LD for one of them. She said she does not do DFK and asked for 3000/6000 for ST / LT. These look like gogo bar rates. Can someone confirm the going rates at Heaven Above? All of the ones I liked went to eat food. I sat and drank for some time and then left after not spotting another cute one.

Went to Maggi May's Soi Pothole and barfined a lady I had met on a previous trip.

[B]Soi 6[/B]

Walked through a couple times. Repent had a lot of cute ladies but clearly the Asian customer type. I bought LDs for a few of them. None of them were interested in ST / LT with me. One of them suggested another lady but I did not like her. She translated to me something like "The ones you chose are Chinese and Japanese. There is one who is not but you do not like her. " What a waste of time and money.

[B]Thai Friendly[/B]

I got the subscription and messaged the ladies who were active in the last one minute. Got an abysmal response rate. Maybe 1 out of every 15 responded back. Called over one with a pixie haircut after confirming she is not a ladyboy and will do DFK, BBBJ. Her face looked better than the pictures but she had a big scar on the stomach, probably from a see-section surgery. We fucked in a bunch of different positions.

[B]Advice[/B]

From this trip, one very important learning for me is to ask a lady if she goes ST / LT before buying her a drink. I spent way too much money on women who were not interested in me.

I have one question for those of you who are very choosy with the ladies. [U]Say you had a total 7000 baht for all the expenses for the day. Either 2ST or 1 LT. How would you spend it? What places would you go to in the afternoon and later in the evening / night?[/U]

I ask because with a limited budget, getting a woman with a fit athletic body and good service has been hard. Gogo bars are too expensive and restrict access to my ethnicity, bad atmosphere overall. Gents clubs typically have older women and the few cute young ones tend to be already taken. Thai Friendly has problems like low response rate, bait-and-switches or decade old doctored pics. Walking around the city scouting good-looking women is hard for a fat motherfucker like me. Even more so in the daytime due to the heat and most places being closed.

If no alternative exists, just any advice to make the most out of these places will be helpful.

Thanks, gentlemen.

Is there a high-end soapy in Pattaya like Maria's or the now closed Lord's in Bangkok? I'm thinking of doing a trip to the city for the first time & would like to sample one. Thanks.

Long shot but I've been seeing these Thai girls on Instagram, Ninacola and Manirat_42 / Daisy.

Both have OnlyFans pages. Both are doing porn, Ninacola has a lot up online, Manirat not so much (yet). I assume both are available for a fee. Curious if anyone here has banged either. Looks like Nina hooked up with some European guy who, being entrepreneurial, saw an opportunity to parlay his passion (mongering) into a lucrative career where he basically films videos of her (sometimes with other dudes) and posts it on Only Fans. It's very repeatable if you're single, don't have things holding you down. Find a hot girl in a poor country, turn her into an internet porn star, collect your management fee.

[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/model/ninacola[/URL]

[URL]https://www.eporner.com/video-bTY7DFLxKBA/a-god-interracial-threesome/[/URL]

[URL]https://xvideosbr.to/xxx-hd/manirat-putri/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.tiktok.com/discover/ig-manirat_42[/URL]

[QUOTE=Mertnuts;3000440]Long shot but I've been seeing these Thai girls on Instagram, Ninacola and Manirat_42 / Daisy.

Both have OnlyFans pages. Both are doing porn, Ninacola has a lot up online, Manirat not so much (yet). I assume both are available for a fee. Curious if anyone here has banged either. Looks like Nina hooked up with some European guy who, being entrepreneurial, saw an opportunity to parlay his passion (mongering) into a lucrative career where he basically films videos of her (sometimes with other dudes) and posts it on Only Fans. It's very repeatable if you're single, don't have things holding you down. Find a hot girl in a poor country, turn her into an internet porn star, collect your management fee.

[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/model/ninacola[/URL]

[URL]https://www.eporner.com/video-bTY7DFLxKBA/a-god-interracial-threesome/[/URL]

[URL]https://xvideosbr.to/xxx-hd/manirat-putri/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.tiktok.com/discover/ig-manirat_42[/URL][/QUOTE]It's not uncommon for a young Farang to hook up with a bargirl, but not have money to support her. So, he sets up an Only fans site for her.

My question is: what's the point of coming to Thailand only to watch videos?

[QUOTE=Shikhar10;3000423]I was in Pattaya for a few days this month. I am an Indian in my 30's. I am not good looking. To avoid getting stereotyped, I monger alone and groom well.

[B]Soapy Massage Shops[/B]

[U]Sabai Dee[/U]: Arrived around 10 PM. There were no customers. Very few ladies in the fishbowl compared to the huge Honey2. They were all very cheerful, smiling and calling me but I did not fancy anyone much. So I walked out and went to Honey2 next door.

[U]Honey2[/U]: Very crowded with Indians just sitting and staring at the SSS tier ladies. It definitely did not look like they had intentions of actually hiring them. There were a lot of ladies so I ordered coke and took my time to look around. A staff member slid me the price list. I kept the price list on the table and they quickly took it away. Apparently, they were handing out different price lists to different customers. Mine said 6600 baht for SSS ladies. I peeked at the list in another Indian's hand. It said 5900 baht for SSS. I wonder if I am not preferred even within the Indian clientele despite grooming better than the vast majority there. Does anyone know how they decide who gets the more expensive list? I did not particularly like anyone there. SSS were more East Asian looking, the kind that Korean / Japanese customers go after. I did not find anyone worth the price, so I left for Honey1.

[U]Honey1[/U]: Much smaller than Honey2. The papasan seemed to be in a big hurry to get me a lady and close the deal. Too rushed. At Honey1, V tier was the most expensive one, so I went straight to that section of the fishbowl and chose the cutest one. 3900 baht. The body to body soapy massage was nice. On the bed, she refused kissing and BBBJ. I had not negotiated these upfront, so shit out of luck. CBJ and CFS followed. My dick twitched a few times during BJ and each time, despite the condom, she got scared I would propel my cum in her mouth. Makes me wonder if she was new. Overall, it was still not bad. I adored her cute face and the soft smooth skin. I usually find doggystyle hard to do. Adjusting heights of penis and vagina, maintaining the rhythmic hip movement and ensuring my tiny fucking penis does not slip out is hard. With this lady, it was effortless somehow. Just grabbed her waist and went at it hard until orgasm. I usually tip well but none given here. DFK is really important to me.

[B]Walking Street GoGo Bars[/B]

I was very curious to take a peek at the talent in Pin Up at least once to see what the fuss is about. Arrived around 10 PM.

For those unaware, Indians are asked to pay a 5000 baht membership fee. I greeted the doormen and offered 500 baht. They said, "5000 baht, not 500." I showed a message I had already translated in Thai, "I will spend much more inside. I cannot spend 5000 just for entry. " One guard asked for 1000 baht and took it in a hush hush manner. It was quite an unnecessary expense but fuck it. It is not like I regularly visit Walking Street.

Inside, I was treated like a VIP by the staff. It is possible everyone just assumed I actually paid 5000 baht. Without me asking, security moved me to a location with a better view of the stage. All the guards were unnecessarily cheerful towards me, escorting me to the washroom, etc. One almost started dancing multiple times while facing me. It was a little awkward. I guess they were all looking for tips. When I left, 3-4 doormen demanded tips. One held me by the arm. I hate the armholding. I have seen doormen at other gogo bars do it too. I just said "ladies here do not like me" (a bit of an exaggeration) and left while they continued to demand tips.

On to the most important part, the ladies. I do not understand the craze around Pin Up. I was expecting the place would be packed with 9's and 10's but it was all 6-8's. Clearly not worth the crazy barfines and ST / LT prices. An earlier poster suggested coming around 8 PM, maybe I was late. I bought drinks for 3 ladies. The most beautiful one said she only drinks in the bar and does not go with customers. Second one asked for 8,000 baht for LT but agreed to 7,000. Damage would be 10,000 after barfine. Maybe more in case the 5 LD rule was brought up later. There was zero sense to that cost because she was not even a solid 8 in my book. I just said "I am too poor for this" and had her go. I do not remember the talk with the third one but that too was lukewarm.

I was denied entry at Fahrenheit and Shark. No talk of an entry fee by the doormen. They just shook their heads at me and looked away. Embarrassing. These bars will never be seeing me again.

I could have gone to XS and said I already paid the entry fee at Pin Up. But I had enough of the gogo bar doormen for the night.

Damage: about 2300 baht including doorman tip, my drink, lady drinks and a couple tips here and there.

[B]Gentlemen's Clubs[/B]

Arrived at Heaven Above around 6 PM and spotted a couple of cute ladies. Bought LD for one of them. She said she does not do DFK and asked for 3000/6000 for ST / LT. These look like gogo bar rates. Can someone confirm the going rates at Heaven Above? All of the ones I liked went to eat food. I sat and drank for some time and then left after not spotting another cute one.

Went to Maggi May's Soi Pothole and barfined a lady I had met on a previous trip.

[B]Soi 6[/B]

Walked through a couple times. Repent had a lot of cute ladies but clearly the Asian customer type. I bought LDs for a few of them. None of them were interested in ST / LT with me. One of them suggested another lady but I did not like her. She translated to me something like "The ones you chose are Chinese and Japanese. There is one who is not but you do not like her. " What a waste of time and money.

[B]Thai Friendly[/B]

I got the subscription and messaged the ladies who were active in the last one minute. Got an abysmal response rate. Maybe 1 out of every 15 responded back. Called over one with a pixie haircut after confirming she is not a ladyboy and will do DFK, BBBJ. Her face looked better than the pictures but she had a big scar on the stomach, probably from a see-section surgery. We fucked in a bunch of different positions.

[B]Advice[/B]

From this trip, one very important learning for me is to ask a lady if she goes ST / LT before buying her a drink. I spent way too much money on women who were not interested in me.

I have one question for those of you who are very choosy with the ladies. [U]Say you had a total 7000 baht for all the expenses for the day. Either 2ST or 1 LT. How would you spend it? What places would you go to in the afternoon and later in the evening / night?[/U]

I ask because with a limited budget, getting a woman with a fit athletic body and good service has been hard. Gogo bars are too expensive and restrict access to my ethnicity, bad atmosphere overall. Gents clubs typically have older women and the few cute young ones tend to be already taken. Thai Friendly has problems like low response rate, bait-and-switches or decade old doctored pics. Walking around the city scouting good-looking women is hard for a fat motherfucker like me. Even more so in the daytime due to the heat and most places being closed.

If no alternative exists, just any advice to make the most out of these places will be helpful.

Thanks, gentlemen.[/QUOTE]You did good my Deepak.

Being Cheap like the Commander does have it's benefits. Hahaha. I can't imagine being hustled by Security for money. Hahaha.

Don't do it guys. Once years ago I tipped a Rainbow Security guy 100 butts. Guy never left me alone on future visits. Not pleasant saying NO everytime.

[QUOTE=Shikhar10;3000423]I was in Pattaya for a few days this month. I am an Indian in my 30's. I am not good looking. To avoid getting stereotyped, I monger alone and groom well.

[B]Soapy Massage Shops[/B]

[U]Sabai Dee[/U]: Arrived around 10 PM. There were no customers. Very few ladies in the fishbowl compared to the huge Honey2. They were all very cheerful, smiling and calling me but I did not fancy anyone much. So I walked out and went to Honey2 next door.

[U]Honey2[/U]: Very crowded with Indians just sitting and staring at the SSS tier ladies. It definitely did not look like they had intentions of actually hiring them. There were a lot of ladies so I ordered coke and took my time to look around. A staff member slid me the price list. I kept the price list on the table and they quickly took it away. Apparently, they were handing out different price lists to different customers. Mine said 6600 baht for SSS ladies. I peeked at the list in another Indian's hand. It said 5900 baht for SSS. I wonder if I am not preferred even within the Indian clientele despite grooming better than the vast majority there. Does anyone know how they decide who gets the more expensive list? I did not particularly like anyone there. SSS were more East Asian looking, the kind that Korean / Japanese customers go after. I did not find anyone worth the price, so I left for Honey1.

[U]Honey1[/U]: Much smaller than Honey2. The papasan seemed to be in a big hurry to get me a lady and close the deal. Too rushed. At Honey1, V tier was the most expensive one, so I went straight to that section of the fishbowl and chose the cutest one. 3900 baht. The body to body soapy massage was nice. On the bed, she refused kissing and BBBJ. I had not negotiated these upfront, so shit out of luck. CBJ and CFS followed. My dick twitched a few times during BJ and each time, despite the condom, she got scared I would propel my cum in her mouth. Makes me wonder if she was new. Overall, it was still not bad. I adored her cute face and the soft smooth skin. I usually find doggystyle hard to do. Adjusting heights of penis and vagina, maintaining the rhythmic hip movement and ensuring my tiny fucking penis does not slip out is hard. With this lady, it was effortless somehow. Just grabbed her waist and went at it hard until orgasm. I usually tip well but none given here. DFK is really important to me.

[B]Walking Street GoGo Bars[/B]

I was very curious to take a peek at the talent in Pin Up at least once to see what the fuss is about. Arrived around 10 PM.

For those unaware, Indians are asked to pay a 5000 baht membership fee. I greeted the doormen and offered 500 baht. They said, "5000 baht, not 500." I showed a message I had already translated in Thai, "I will spend much more inside. I cannot spend 5000 just for entry. " One guard asked for 1000 baht and took it in a hush hush manner. It was quite an unnecessary expense but fuck it. It is not like I regularly visit Walking Street.

Inside, I was treated like a VIP by the staff. It is possible everyone just assumed I actually paid 5000 baht. Without me asking, security moved me to a location with a better view of the stage. All the guards were unnecessarily cheerful towards me, escorting me to the washroom, etc. One almost started dancing multiple times while facing me. It was a little awkward. I guess they were all looking for tips. When I left, 3-4 doormen demanded tips. One held me by the arm. I hate the armholding. I have seen doormen at other gogo bars do it too. I just said "ladies here do not like me" (a bit of an exaggeration) and left while they continued to demand tips.

On to the most important part, the ladies. I do not understand the craze around Pin Up. I was expecting the place would be packed with 9's and 10's but it was all 6-8's. Clearly not worth the crazy barfines and ST / LT prices. An earlier poster suggested coming around 8 PM, maybe I was late. I bought drinks for 3 ladies. The most beautiful one said she only drinks in the bar and does not go with customers. Second one asked for 8,000 baht for LT but agreed to 7,000. Damage would be 10,000 after barfine. Maybe more in case the 5 LD rule was brought up later. There was zero sense to that cost because she was not even a solid 8 in my book. I just said "I am too poor for this" and had her go. I do not remember the talk with the third one but that too was lukewarm.

I was denied entry at Fahrenheit and Shark. No talk of an entry fee by the doormen. They just shook their heads at me and looked away. Embarrassing. These bars will never be seeing me again.

I could have gone to XS and said I already paid the entry fee at Pin Up. But I had enough of the gogo bar doormen for the night.

Damage: about 2300 baht including doorman tip, my drink, lady drinks and a couple tips here and there.

[B]Gentlemen's Clubs[/B]

Arrived at Heaven Above around 6 PM and spotted a couple of cute ladies. Bought LD for one of them. She said she does not do DFK and asked for 3000/6000 for ST / LT. These look like gogo bar rates. Can someone confirm the going rates at Heaven Above? All of the ones I liked went to eat food. I sat and drank for some time and then left after not spotting another cute one.

Went to Maggi May's Soi Pothole and barfined a lady I had met on a previous trip.

[B]Soi 6[/B]

Walked through a couple times. Repent had a lot of cute ladies but clearly the Asian customer type. I bought LDs for a few of them. None of them were interested in ST / LT with me. One of them suggested another lady but I did not like her. She translated to me something like "The ones you chose are Chinese and Japanese. There is one who is not but you do not like her. " What a waste of time and money.

[B]Thai Friendly[/B]

I got the subscription and messaged the ladies who were active in the last one minute. Got an abysmal response rate. Maybe 1 out of every 15 responded back. Called over one with a pixie haircut after confirming she is not a ladyboy and will do DFK, BBBJ. Her face looked better than the pictures but she had a big scar on the stomach, probably from a see-section surgery. We fucked in a bunch of different positions.

[B]Advice[/B]

From this trip, one very important learning for me is to ask a lady if she goes ST / LT before buying her a drink. I spent way too much money on women who were not interested in me.

I have one question for those of you who are very choosy with the ladies. [U]Say you had a total 7000 baht for all the expenses for the day. Either 2ST or 1 LT. How would you spend it? What places would you go to in the afternoon and later in the evening / night?[/U]

I ask because with a limited budget, getting a woman with a fit athletic body and good service has been hard. Gogo bars are too expensive and restrict access to my ethnicity, bad atmosphere overall. Gents clubs typically have older women and the few cute young ones tend to be already taken. Thai Friendly has problems like low response rate, bait-and-switches or decade old doctored pics. Walking around the city scouting good-looking women is hard for a fat motherfucker like me. Even more so in the daytime due to the heat and most places being closed.

If no alternative exists, just any advice to make the most out of these places will be helpful.

Thanks, gentlemen.[/QUOTE]If I was the SUB and my budget for the day was 7,000.

I'd go for 8 shortimes. Hahaha 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣.

[QUOTE=Shikhar10;3000423]Does anyone know how they decide who gets the more expensive list?

Thanks, gentlemen.[/QUOTE]It's like every where else, they probably give it to peoples they think is a newbie to the soapies.

I noticed hunnybunny is available for 5 k to 10 k but she doesn't say the currency. Does a lot with john tron.

[QUOTE=Mertnuts;3000440]Long shot but I've been seeing these Thai girls on Instagram, Ninacola and Manirat_42 / Daisy.

Both have OnlyFans pages. Both are doing porn, Ninacola has a lot up online, Manirat not so much (yet). I assume both are available for a fee. Curious if anyone here has banged either. Looks like Nina hooked up with some European guy who, being entrepreneurial, saw an opportunity to parlay his passion (mongering) into a lucrative career where he basically films videos of her (sometimes with other dudes) and posts it on Only Fans. It's very repeatable if you're single, don't have things holding you down. Find a hot girl in a poor country, turn her into an internet porn star, collect your management fee.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;3000358]So finding young attractive girls in Pattaya in 2025 is almost impossible. Finding them for 1,000 to 1,200 back at you hotel is even more difficult.

First search "Secret Thai Place" on google and go there it is about 3 kilometers from Soi 6, walk around and enjoy.

Next, only for guys with medium to small penis sizes you can go this place in Bo Win about 32 kilometers from Pattaya central these girls are super super hot and their kitties are the tightest I have ever experienced. They take some warming up and dick size checking if you are not Asian but this is the best place in. Asia for 1,000 baht back to your room for 1 hour. Search Thanya Clinic in Bo Win and walk around the looping road around the 7/11. Roughly 400 girls, 30 hotels in the area and they are all notel hotels so no ID's or Security so keep your valuables locked up.

See attached map.

Enjoy,

MM.[/QUOTE]Cute and young for 1000 baht eh? Well that shows how overpriced Pattaya is. Pattaya is to a large degree a sort of overpriced lower tier place. Its where girls that would have gotten 500 baht from thais go to ask for 1500. Nah seriously I just can't find any reason to go there anymore. 2000 baht for a fat girl on soi 6? No thank you. It can be had cheaper in many european countries.

[QUOTE=Shikhar10;3000423]

[B]Soi 6[/B]

Walked through a couple times. Repent had a lot of cute ladies but clearly the Asian customer type. I bought LDs for a few of them. None of them were interested in ST / LT with me. One of them suggested another lady but I did not like her. She translated to me something like "The ones you chose are Chinese and Japanese. There is one who is not but you do not like her. " What a waste of time and money.[/QUOTE]Are you serious? They are only for japs and chinese now? Its that straightforward now on soi 6? What a shithole Pattaya has become.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;3000699]Cute and young for 1000 baht eh? Well that shows how overpriced Pattaya is. Pattaya is to a large degree a sort of overpriced lower tier place. Its where girls that would have gotten 500 baht from thais go to ask for 1500. Nah seriously I just can't find any reason to go there anymore. 2000 baht for a fat girl on soi 6? No thank you. It can be had cheaper in many european countries.

Are you serious? They are only for japs and chinese now? Its that straightforward now on soi 6? What a shithole Pattaya has become.[/QUOTE]I agree completely which is why I drive 32 kilometers to Bo Win. Also those girls have oral skills that will blow your mind just in case the tiny dick Asians they are handpicked for still can not manage to cum in their tiny tight kitties.

I have gotten lucky with some freebies and a couple of ones off of beach road and Soi 6 but it is not easy to find as I have been here 23 days already!

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;3000699]

Are you serious? They are only for japs and chinese now? Its that straightforward now on soi 6? What a shithole Pattaya has become.[/QUOTE]Soi 6 has been changed by the influx of East Asians, who come to buy drinks for the ladies.

But Soi 6 is a small part of Pattaya. Try Soi Pothole.

To those depressed about the talent on Soi Sucks. I am one of them.

Exotica had 3 I'd put in the Superior Category, 2,000-2,500.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;3000732]Soi 6 has been changed by the influx of East Asians, who come to buy drinks for the ladies.

But Soi 6 is a small part of Pattaya. Try Soi Pothole.[/QUOTE]But come on, this is BS!

Before it was walking street now its soi 6. Soi 6 was known for giving great value for money. Now its beginning to look like walking street with lots of koreans buying drinks for the girls. Seems like what we can call diminishing returns for your expensive trip there. What is the reason for going there if it just keep getting worse and worse?! There is no economical reason to go there for ST any longer. Sit down with a calculator and se what it costs you per girl you have.

I totally agree. Before Covid, it was easy to fuck girls for 1000 bahts and for 1500 bareback! And girls were quite good looking! But now girls look seriousely ugly, and yes drinks start to be mucho more expensive that before! And now price start at 1500 with ugly girls so now better to find girls online or directly in the streets and go speak with them directly.

Now go less in thailand and I go fuck in Colombia every 3 months and girls are so sexy, young, fuck all bareback and are mucho more less expensive than in thailand!

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;3000804]But come on, this is BS!

Before it was walking street now its soi 6. Soi 6 was known for giving great value for money. Now its beginning to look like walking street with lots of koreans buying drinks for the girls. Seems like what we can call diminishing returns for your expensive trip there. What is the reason for going there if it just keep getting worse and worse?! There is no economical reason to go there for ST any longer. Sit down with a calculator and se what it costs you per girl you have.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;3000772]I admire your obsessive dedication. 1 million data points is literally a lifetime of devotion to the task, 30 years or more of continuous effort. Chances are, anyone wanting to debate you will forget all about the debate long before you get your results published.

Since I'm here and I'm being lazy, can the baht buses be found on the main streets? I'm arriving on Sunday and can't walk too much at the moment. If anyone wants to have a beer drop me a pm.[/QUOTE]Rent a bike for 75 baht a day.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;3000843] I go fuck in Colombia every 3 months and girls are so sexy, young, fuck all bareback[/QUOTE]That's surprising. I've found girls in Colombia often want to charge extra even for BBBJ.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;3000772], can the baht buses be found on the main streets? I'm arriving on Sunday and can't walk too much at the moment. .[/QUOTE]Yes. Blue Isuzu or Toyota Trucks will Honk non stop at you. They come by all the time. Caution! If you are unable to CLIMB into the back of these trucks easily. Be careful when getting out. The PAX and driver will Rush you. And you need to do a 360 turn and whip around and pay the Driver 10 Baht. Us fat guys will recognize the potential to Twist your ankle or pop your knees while being squished in like Cattle when those baht busses are full and they slam the brakes and expect you to walk out and pay within 4 seconds like an athlete. The locals didn't like my Fat ass pushing the Stop button at Soi 6 - and bracing myself to get out - but just know, if you have a hard time walking. It is a mild Step Down from that Baht But truck to the pavement!

Note: Yes I am fat and working on that issue. But I would NOT recommend climbing in and out of Baht Busses if you have leg issues (or mobility issues!) . Just Order a Bolt! - just my opinion!

You will notice he never said what he pays. This guy goes all over the place, pays well over the top, in particular for BBFS so it is no surprise he made this comment. I would wager in most cases he has the same issue as you but doesn't mention paying extra because it's all the same to him.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;3000804]But come on, this is BS!

Before it was walking street now its soi 6. Soi 6 was known for giving great value for money. Now its beginning to look like walking street with lots of koreans buying drinks for the girls. Seems like what we can call diminishing returns for your expensive trip there. What is the reason for going there if it just keep getting worse and worse?! There is no economical reason to go there for ST any longer. Sit down with a calculator and se what it costs you per girl you have.[/QUOTE]You spend $1000 to fly to Thailand, but worry about a price increase for Short Time of 500 baht.

[QUOTE=GentileBear;3000921]Yes. Blue Isuzu or Toyota Trucks will Honk non stop at you. They come by all the time. Caution! If you are unable to CLIMB into the back of these trucks easily. Be careful when getting out. The PAX and driver will Rush you. And you need to do a 360 turn and whip around and pay the Driver 10 Baht. Us fat guys will recognize the potential to Twist your ankle or pop your knees while being squished in like Cattle when those baht busses are full and they slam the brakes and expect you to walk out and pay within 4 seconds like an athlete. The locals didn't like my Fat ass pushing the Stop button at Soi 6 - and bracing myself to get out - but just know, if you have a hard time walking. It is a mild Step Down from that Baht But truck to the pavement!

Note: Yes I am fat and working on that issue. But I would NOT recommend climbing in and out of Baht Busses if you have leg issues (or mobility issues!) . Just Order a Bolt! - just my opinion![/QUOTE]Thank you. I'm recovering from a foot injury / surgery. I get around fine, but long distances are rough. Normally 5-10 miles per day is no problem, but right now things start to hurt after 15 or 20 minutes.

The first pic is the girl who sucked my dick yesterday during "massage" in the massage parlor. She also came to my place next day to fuck for 3 k baht (about $80).

Unlike most Thai girls, she is 27 year old And speaks good English. She said she is half Japanese and half Thai.

The second pic is a 20 year old Thai girl that I picked from Beach Road (there are hundreds and hundreds of girls there) and paid only 1500 bht $40.

She doesn't speak English but is a bit more enthusiastic and definitely no worse than the massage girl that I mentioned earlier, but twice cheaper.

Massage parlors and bar girls are usually more expensive than freelances. So, I am done with massage girls. Picking up hookers from street sounds like a low level mongering but not in Pattaya. Here it seems to be just the best value / price option. Out of a hundred girls it is always possible to find 2-3 cuties.

[QUOTE=Chinzano;3001015] Picking up hookers from street sounds like a low level mongering but not in Pattaya. Here it seems to be just the best value / price option. Out of a hundred girls it is always possible to find 2-3 cuties.[/QUOTE]I've walked Beach Road before only during the day time. Is it completely different at night? Are the girls there just obviously waiting to be picked up? During the day, I would assume most women there are tourists, but I could be wrong. I've always been against street girls anywhere, but I think you're right that Pattaya is an exception.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;3000562]Are you applying for a job at the NIH under Kennedy? You are supremely qualified for that.[/QUOTE]As a newish BBFS-er, posts like that make me worry BBFS-ing can lead to cognitive impairments further down the road.

[QUOTE=GentileBear;3000921] Caution! If you are unable to CLIMB into the back of these trucks easily. Be careful when getting out. The PAX and driver will Rush you. And you need to do a 360 turn and whip around and pay the Driver 10 Baht.[/QUOTE]Register your mobile phone number, selfie and payment card with Grab. About 5 different vehicle rates are offered, depending on wait time and size. Forget the song-tiaows / Thai Jeepneys: dangerous boarding / departing amongst moving traffic, and jerky rides. Grab/Bolt/Uber are the best things to happen to the taxi trade since horse-drawn Hansom Cabs.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;3000916]That's surprising. I've found girls in Colombia often want to charge extra even for BBBJ.[/QUOTE]I dislike Colombianas. They will not go bareback unless they know you and you can convince them of vasectomy. Zero femininity compared to SE Asians. And most are single mothers with slack internals.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;3000742]To those depressed about the talent on Soi Sucks. I am one of them. Exotica had 3 I'd put in the Superior Category, 2,000-2,500.[/QUOTE]In this day and age, proprietors should put girls' profiles online, including children, height, age and price. This would generate more income too because the punters could go direct, not needing to fend off the street dross.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;3000843]I totally agree. Before Covid, it was easy to fuck girls for 1000 bahts and for 1500 bareback! And girls were quite good looking! But now girls look seriousely ugly, and yes drinks start to be mucho more expensive that before! And now price start at 1500 with ugly girls so now better to find girls online or directly in the streets and go speak with them directly.

Now go less in thailand and I go fuck in Colombia every 3 months and girls are so sexy, young, fuck all bareback and are mucho more less expensive than in thailand![/QUOTE]One of the reasons you don't see nearly as many young hot sex workers (pretty much anywhere in the world, throw a dart and it's true) at value rates, providing good services anymore. Part of the reason is they can make a lot more money in a much safer way and even become quasi famous doing things like OnlyFans. And social media has inflated their self perception of what they are worth. Reality checks them hard around age 35 but good luck trying to convince a hot 21 year old anywhere these days that she has to accept anything less.

I don't care if its Thailand, Colombia or the USA. This is true now everywhere. Mongering these isn't nearly what it used to be, if you have high standards and enjoy good service at good prices.

[QUOTE=Chinzano;3001015]The first pic is the girl who sucked my dick yesterday during "massage" in the massage parlor. She also came to my place next day to fuck for 3 k baht (about $80).

Unlike most Thai girls, she is 27 year old And speaks good English. She said she is half Japanese and half Thai.

The second pic is a 20 year old Thai girl that I picked from Beach Road (there are hundreds and hundreds of girls there) and paid only 1500 bht $40.

She doesn't speak English but is a bit more enthusiastic and definitely no worse than the massage girl that I mentioned earlier, but twice cheaper.

Massage parlors and bar girls are usually more expensive than freelances. So, I am done with massage girls. Picking up hookers from street sounds like a low level mongering but not in Pattaya. Here it seems to be just the best value / price option. Out of a hundred girls it is always possible to find 2-3 cuties.[/QUOTE]Only 1500 baht?! You should pay no more than that.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;3000772]I admire your obsessive dedication. 1 million data points is literally a lifetime of devotion to the task, 30 years or more of continuous effort. Chances are, anyone wanting to debate you will forget all about the debate long before you get your results published.

Since I'm here and I'm being lazy, can the baht buses be found on the main streets? I'm arriving on Sunday and can't walk too much at the moment. If anyone wants to have a beer drop me a pm.[/QUOTE]The baht bus system map.

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[QUOTE=Explorer8939;3001151]The baht bus system map.[/QUOTE]That's remarkably useful. I'll try to reciprocate.

Got into BKK at 4:45 this morning via ORD and HND. ANA air was great.

Awesome service and plenty of legroom even in standard economy. Was through immigration in 5 minutes, and found the bus. I was expecting first bus to leave at 7, but there was 1 at 6 am. Got 2 the moto taxi stand called grab and got to my hotel, near LK Metro less than 2 hours after leaving bkk.

Cheap hotel room (probably not guest friendly) wasn't ready at 8 am. Dropped my bags and went for breakfast. Back at 9 and they were finishing my room off. Checked me in at 930. , instead of making me wait til 1.

Cost of the bus was 143 thb. Cost of the grab 105 thb. Hotel is $18 per night, basic rooms, but comfortable. Will get out and gather impressions after I get some sleep.

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Hi guys we are looking for 4 bhk villa for rent for 5 days any suggestions and can someone share recommendation for girls in pattaya. Thanks for your help.

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I have spent a lot of time in Medellin, Bogota and even a little in Santa Marta. Don't imagine that I scared anyone. Of the dozens of ISG members I met, advised and showed around, none seemed scared.

As for coming to Pattaya, you should pay closer attention. I'm already here. So far there's been no panic.

Went for a walk last night to scout the area. Still acclimating to the time zone and wasn't interested in putting forth any effort, just wanted to bust a nut with minimal effort. Went to Relax Health Massage on Soi Buakhao. Women out front looked good enough. Strictly HJ or BJ, they were up front about "no fucking. " Good enough for me.

Rooms are small, separated by partitions that don't go all the way to floor or ceiling. Undressed, went to the shower, came back, got massage, nude BBBJ with HJ finish, then back to shower for cleanup. Purely sensual massage, not a actual massage. Felt good, teasing was nice. Wasn't excessively mechanical. Out the door was 1600,600 for the house. Not a bargain, but convenient.

Now here's the useful information. During one of the trips to the shower. Someone went through my pockets. My watch had been in my pocket with my travel wallet and I found it laying on the shelf. My travel wallet is difficult to quickly get money out, snag a few bills and put the rest back. So nothing was taken.

Spent too much time walking around yesterday and overdid it. Decided to stick close to base and check out LK Metro and the other little areas around. Laying low today while my feet and legs recover (spent almost 2 months seldom hobbling farther than the bathroom).

Earlier in the day, before anything was happening, I walked through both Soi 6 and Walking Street. I'll check both out later this week.

I also noticed there are several bar areas scattered around, almost everywhere I turn. Not a lot of real stunners, but I've seen a few who aren't bad at all.

My first impression on LK Metro is there are a lot of ladyboys around. One got a bit aggressive approaching me and had to be moved aside. Another was approaching from the other side, but backed off when he saw me move the other one aside.

Cruised the area for awhile before stopping in Lady Love go go. Mostly average looking girls, maybe 30-40 of them. Beer was 145 b. Sign said 195 for lady drinks. Most of the girls looked bored, so I didn't see any reason to stick around.

Some of the bar girls on the street looked hot enough, but there were more either old, fat or ugly.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;3001126]Only 1500 baht?! You should pay no more than that.[/QUOTE][B]I pay what I want[/B]

The venues I use in Pattaya to hire prostitutes I pay 1000 - 2000 for short time.

I was on 2nd Road today. There is a massage place that says [U]NEURO[/U] on the wall outside. There were three stunners sitting outside. I mean smoking. So much so I changed my direction of travel in order to investigate. 3000 for one hour. Was told they massage EVERYTHING. Out of my price range. I fuck three ugly girls over a three hour period for what these pretty girls are asking for just 1 hour.

But if I make a good trade. And I want to treat myself. I am going to check that place out.

[B]The Cmdr knows quality![/B]

At least that's where I think I was. Walked through shortly after 8 pm Tuesday and it was starting to get busy. After scouting the area, stopped in Club Fate. Maybe 12-15 girls inside, mostly nothing special to look at. Vibe was laid back, neighborhood bar full of regulars feel. Zero pressure. 50 b for a coke. No idea on lady drink cost.

Left there and went to Heaven Above. Place was pretty crowded, probably 2 girls for every guy. Other than a few guys looking sad, most had a girl sitting with them, hands on. I quickly had a super spinner sitting with me. Face wasn't much, but her body and attitude were good, with good English skills. Later I grabbed another tiny girl and we had fun for awhile. Lady drinks were 165 b and I bought 5, plus my 85 b coke. The second girl was a bit more reserved, except for her attacks on my crotch. Enjoyed the 2 girl tag team crotch wrestling.

After an hour the subject of going upstairs came up. 550 b for the room, 2000 b for each girl. There was no friction when I told them I was only taking 1. First girl, small natural tits with a little sag, rest of her body was good, with maybe 2 lbs more than the second. Second girl had a well done boob job, not too big, pretty face and excellent body. She seemed a bit hungrier so I took her.

Upstairs rooms are big and clean with full bathroom and shower. The only thing it was lacking was a condom, something I was also without. After a 2 second pause she asked if I would pull out before cumming, no problem. Mutual shower and off to bed. Did my thing and apparently did it well enough, BBFS without any artificial lube after DATY. Multiple positions with plenty of DFK, she made it feel like a GFE thing. Left my donation on her stomach. Lots of laying back and cuddling, relaxing. A second round was offered but I didn't think I could pull it off.

Back to the shower for a quick cleanup and out the door. I'm assuming I could have gotten her down to 1500 b, but it wasn't worth the effort to me. Overall I was pleased with the club. Good atmosphere and enough lookers for me.

Big concentration of gents clubs in a small area, probably worth checking out.

In an effort to be somewhat thorough, I took a walk through Soi 6 and Walking Street last night, before returning to Soi Boomerang.

I've seen a few reports claiming only fat, ugly and old girls can be found on Soi 6. At 7:30 last night there appeared to be all shapes and sizes available. At a guess the ratio was about 40 to 1. In my opinion just about anyone could have found several girls to their standards. I don't know about prices, I wasn't there to play, merely to gather an impression. Frankly, the sheer volume of desperation was a complete turn-off to me. Hitting Beach Road felt like an escape. However, if being swarmed by girls, along with a few with suspiciously deep voices, is your thing, this is definitely the place.

After grabbing some food I hopped on a baht bus for Walking Street. Except for the spot where 2 discos are trying to drown each other out, the atmosphere is much better. Between 8:30 and 9:30 it wasn't too crowded. Had a beer and some more food to watch the people. Considered hitting one of the go gos, but wasn't much feeling it. The area was much more to my liking than Soi 6.

Last trip for the night was a return to Soi Boomerang. I wanted to compare a few other clubs. First stop was Pink Baby. 10 pm and I was the only customer. On the plus side, if short, thin, cute and under 30 is your style, it might be worth a visit. No pressure while I was there. Spent 110 b for a coke and split.

Last stop was Playgirlz. Inside was fairly nice. They keep the stage loaded with girls, sometimes all topless. They also have a nice choreographed stage show. No nudity, but entertaining. They had several who ranked pretty high on my meter, but there doesn't seem to be anything going on, other than some light groping and kissing. I didn't see any sign that there's more action available. My coke was 100 b and lady drinks were 250 b. They push the lady drinks hard. HARD. It's an almost constant pressure. I don't mind buying drinks, but at that price just having someone rubbing my thigh isn't enough. Eye candy was good. , but that's about it.

Still have a few more nights left. Not sure what to explore next.

[QUOTE=Ddrd08;2992653]OK. Not so much a report. Yet! But I wanted to try something different in Pattaya so have booked an adult resort - [URL]https://www.maggiemaysresort.com[/URL] - a friend convinced me as they said it has no kids and a gentleman's club inside it for mongering, easy bar fining and taking to rooms, lots of girls etc. And a swimming pool and sexy girls in bikinis. Works out only 500 baht a night. Worth sharing in case anyone else is looking for something similar in Pattaya as I certainly haven't heard of anything similar.[/QUOTE]An update on this adult only resort I've just seen, looks like they have developed the rooms now: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuFAJZYsgK8[/URL].

750 baht a nice for a jacuzzi room is not bad to be fair so looking forward to visiting in June.

Needed a shave and decided to go for the full pampering session at Sharr Barbershop. It's located on 3rd road a little south of Central Pattaya Ave. They open at 10 am and I was the first customer of the day. The girls working there are very cute.

The 90 minute package is 800 b. It includes foot massage, body massage, manicure, blowdry. Shave, facial cleansing, cucumber mask, ear cleaning, hair wash and blowdry. There's no extras, no hint at them, and no place for them. However, my face feels great. Facilities were very clean, nicely furnished. Overall I was happy with the visit and cost.

Headed south from there to see more of Pattaya. I was looking for a massage, going purely by feel. I didn't try to look at reviews, or find the prettiest girl. I just looked for the one who seemed most interested in rocking my world. Found her at a place called Tulip Spa, on 2nd road directly across the street from Boy town. The only woman working looked to be in her early 30's with a GND face and an unknown body, although she was displaying nice cleavage.

Body turned out to be quite nice. 5'3", maybe 100#, nice curves not skinny, but no fat. Breasts were absolutely fine. Solid, natural handfuls.

Cost on the menu was 300 b for full body. Facilities are low tier. No air conditioning, just fans, lots of stairs, just a thin pad on the floor. Shower was decent and clean. No shower before, which surprised me, because I was sweaty. Straight to the mat and she quickly checked if I was interested in something more. Boom boom was offered for 1500 b and I took it. She was already showing signs of being a good choice.

From the start she was teasing and playing with me, even dived nose first into my sweaty taint to get a few seconds of BLS in on me. BBBJ, DATY, DFK, lots more DATY, went to CFS in CG, sitting, Mish, back to CG. She was riding hard and fast and rattling the windows with her screams. The few times I slipped out while changing positions she quickly got remounted and back to it. It was so much fun I didn't mind the sweat. Had her finish me by hand, when I felt like I couldn't drive any more. Eventually, I made my way to the shower then followed her downstairs so she could unlock the shop.

I figured 1500 + 300, handed over 2000 b and got 500 b back. From the look of things, she was either owner or manager.

[QUOTE=Ddrd08;3002292]An update on this adult only resort I've just seen, looks like they have developed the rooms now: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuFAJZYsgK8[/URL].

750 baht a nice for a jacuzzi room is not bad to be fair so looking forward to visiting in June.[/QUOTE]I knew it! I've said from the beginning that this place has potential! I tell ya, there's nothing quite like this set up in all of Thailand. But are the girls actually nice though or are we talking about milfs?

So the secret place and Bo Win place stopped serving me. I would assume some guys from this forum went there and now they hate foreigners.

The rest of Pattaya is kind of BS you do have some action available, but the quality of the women for anything less than fifty dollars is ridiculous. The services offered you guys act like it's a special thing to have kissing in GFE. We control the market, but all of you just take whatever they give you rather than refusing and making them hungry again.

The biggest problems of course, is with the Asians. They are overpaying the girls so that they can take the best for themselves.

But this has destroyed the entire market, and now they are also starting to realize this. If there is a Korean guy or a Chinese guy reading this, I hope you understand that nobody thinks you're cool for overpaying.

Many girls in Thailand won't even consider any foreigners but Asians now.

Me personally, when I read the posts I can tell. Most of you are either going with unattractive women, or you're paying more than a $100 US dollars in a country where they only make $450 UD dollars a month.

If I go to Europe, I will have no problems paying over a $100 but here it is just silly.

My opinion is no human should return to Pattaya under any circumstances and maybe even all of Thailand. It is much worse than any of you could imagine. Old women actually think they have a shot here. I see guys with women that make me sick inside.

Goodbye Pattaya,

Good luck Simps.

MM Out.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;3002390]I knew it! I've said from the beginning that this place has potential! I tell ya, there's nothing quite like this set up in all of Thailand. But are the girls actually nice though or are we talking about milfs?[/QUOTE]If the available girls there are anything those shown in that video I'll pass. Totally substandard and probably try charging premium since they are at a "resort".

[QUOTE=Davey1965;3002402]If the available girls there are anything those shown in that video I'll pass. Totally substandard and probably try charging premium since they are at a "resort".[/QUOTE]The ladies at Maggie Mays Resort today are not the same as last week.

Ouch, watched the whole thing, and if that's the quality of women we're talking about, then the place kinda sucks. And not in the good way either.

I've been saying it since the start, the whole basic premise is kinda off. Minimum stay of 2 weeks? Far from the beaches. The talent aren't attractive. I don't know dudes. I can imagine stopping by for one night just to see what the fuss is all about, but to waste 2 whole weeks of your precious Thailand time, tsk tsk. Unless of course you lucky bastards are living in Thailand, then by all means, spend time here. But do tell us, what's it like.

Currently in Pattaya right now and enjoying every bit of it. A few observations after multiple years of going:

- The weather the past few days has been awesome for low season. Breezy, not too much rain, not too humid, far less traffic, lower prices, etc. I should've been coming to Pattaya during low season years ago.

- I was wrong for assuming walking street go-go bar girls would not be willing to meet after work or on their day off. In Pinup and Palace, none of the women I barfined were open to it but at Shark there were several women happy to meet outside of work.

- Soi 6 is a great place to hangout. The problem is you can't really evaluate each women while they're harassing you and grabbing your nuts, but if you can find a decent bar it will be fun to just have a beer and play se connect for.

- I've talked to multiple walking street gogo bar girls (and Soi 6 bar girls) and the consensus appears to be that Chinese and Taiwanese are the biggest customers. Not Koreans or Japanese.

- The fact that Pattaya sets the beach chairs and umbrellas out so you don't have to bring anything is so damn ingenious. I've been to so many beaches around the world that never did this (Spain, Hawaii, Dubai, Brazil, DR). The only issue is the harassment of endless solicitors but that's the case in any tourist destination.

- For discos, the only one worth going to right now is The Republic (ranked #90 in the world). Myst, Panda, Insomnia, 808, Lucifer, and the Indian discos suck. World House Pattaya is another high ranked disco but I haven't been to it.

- For WS go-gos, the only ones worth it are: Shark, Pinup, XS, and Palace. But as we know, the best value will always be a freelancer not a bar girl.

Overall, very happy I came to Pattaya during low season and will continue to do so moving forward.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;3002491]- I was wrong for assuming walking street go-go bar girls would not be willing to meet after work or on their day off. In Pinup and Palace, none of the women I barfined were open to it but at Shark there were several women happy to meet outside of work.[/QUOTE]I have only been saying this for almost 20 years. But the usual responses: They are ugly. Why would they do that when they could get more money in the club. Etc. There is nothing special about getting them from the gogo bars except for paying more money. Regardless of where they work, they are still prostitutes like all the rest around town. Right time and right place then you are paying 1000 baht instead of what you have to shell out inside of one of those clubs.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3002517]I have only been saying this for almost 20 years. But the usual responses: They are ugly. Why would they do that when they could get more money in the club. Etc. There is nothing special about getting them from the gogo bars except for paying more money. Regardless of where they work, they are still prostitutes like all the rest around town. Right time and right place then you are paying 1000 baht instead of what you have to shell out inside of one of those clubs.[/QUOTE]Hey bro, long time no see! Unfortunately I am in Pattaya right now.

The solution to Thailand is to Boycott Thailand. Nothing is good about Thailand anymore. Even the food is pretty lousy now.

[QUOTE=PhilipMarlow;2969760]There are many things linked to prostitution in Thailand that are illegal, including in certain cases, the act itself. As shown in ETs posts on this, pimping in illegal. (Section 9 below) Soliciting prostitution is illegal, IF it is done in "an an open and shameful manner or causes nuisance to the public. " (Section 5).

Advertising it is illegal. Certain acts in prostitution establishments are illegal. And on and on.

Those are things the police are looking for. The arrests are, presumably, for violations of these sections.

This is not what the discussion is about. Many people like to parrot other people, who themselves are wrong. They're not interested in whether or not what they say is actually true. Everyone who makes the blanket statement that prostitution is illegal in Thailand is wrong.

If prostitution itself was illegal, the law would just say that, as the law in my home state does.

The following is the Thai law regarding murder:

TITLE X.

OFFENCE AGAINST LIFE AND BODY.

Details.

Chapter 1: Offence Causing Death.

Section 288. Murder.

Whoever, murdering the other person, shall be imprisoned by death or imprisoned as from fifteen years to twenty years.

That's it. Is the act of murder illegal in the Kingdom? Yes it is. See Title X, Chapter 1, Section 288. Now somewhere in the penal code murder will be defined, but notice there are no qualifiers, nothing about- only if done in a certain manner in a certain place, committed upon a person of a certain age, etc.

Is the act of prostitution illegal in the Kingdom? Show me the statute that declares it is.[/QUOTE]Geez, not this again.

RTFF, this comes up once a month.

Bottom line: it's up to the police.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;3002593]Hey bro, long time no see! Unfortunately I am in Pattaya right now.

The solution to Thailand is to Boycott Thailand. Nothing is good about Thailand anymore. Even the food is pretty lousy now.[/QUOTE]I am sorry that you are suffering in Thailand right now.

I am sure you can find a cheap air ticket to a better location. Meanwhile, I am happy to be giving pussy massages every day.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;3002649]I am sorry that you are suffering in Thailand right now.

I am sure you can find a cheap air ticket to a better location. Meanwhile, I am happy to be giving pussy massages every day.[/QUOTE]Agree. I have been going to Thailand for 13 years in the high season. As I get to know it better, I like it more. Food still good, and the pussy excellent! I'm looking forward to being back in the Kingdom in November.

[QUOTE=BeachDrone;3002769]Agree. I have been going to Thailand for 13 years in the high season. As I get to know it better, I like it more. Food still good, and the pussy excellent! I'm looking forward to being back in the Kingdom in November.[/QUOTE]First off Thailand sucks in comparison all other surrounding countries. Second I only had really nice pussy in Bo Win which is now racist. The only way anyone thinks Thailand is good is because they haven't been anywhere else. This place is ten scams on top of each other filled with lies and spite. Boycott Thailand and try Vietnam or the border cities in Cambodia or Laos. Then you will understand what $40 should get you.

GFE. Standard.

Multiple positions. Standard.

No rushing. Standard.

If a girl is so disgusted by you she doesn't give you these she should no be able to survive in this business. Those of you who allow this need to go broke and be punished for destroying the market!

MM.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;3002593]Hey bro, long time no see! Unfortunately I am in Pattaya right now.

The solution to Thailand is to Boycott Thailand. Nothing is good about Thailand anymore. Even the food is pretty lousy now.[/QUOTE]Well, its not true that nothing is good in thailand but I agree, that the redlight is a joke and Pattaya the top of a joke but men all over the world love to be joked, so Pattaya will survive.

Men love to be spend money to "girls" who are 50+ instead of asking for the number of their granddaughters. And, they feel good, anyone happy. Ok, almost anyone.

And don't think the locals for a minute would pay 2000 baht to 35 year old with a couple of kids and extra kilos. Check this picture out.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;3002393]So the secret place and Bo Win place stopped serving me. I would assume some guys from this forum went there and now they hate foreigners.

The rest of Pattaya is kind of BS you do have some action available, but the quality of the women for anything less than fifty dollars is ridiculous. The services offered you guys act like it's a special thing to have kissing in GFE. We control the market, but all of you just take whatever they give you rather than refusing and making them hungry again.

The biggest problems of course, is with the Asians. They are overpaying the girls so that they can take the best for themselves.

But this has destroyed the entire market, and now they are also starting to realize this. If there is a Korean guy or a Chinese guy reading this, I hope you understand that nobody thinks you're cool for overpaying.

Many girls in Thailand won't even consider any foreigners but Asians now.

Me personally, when I read the posts I can tell. Most of you are either going with unattractive women, or you're paying more than a $100 US dollars in a country where they only make $450 UD dollars a month.

If I go to Europe, I will have no problems paying over a $100 but here it is just silly.

My opinion is no human should return to Pattaya under any circumstances and maybe even all of Thailand. It is much worse than any of you could imagine. Old women actually think they have a shot here. I see guys with women that make me sick inside.

Goodbye Pattaya,

Good luck Simps.

MM Out.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;3002593]Hey bro, long time no see! Unfortunately I am in Pattaya right now.

The solution to Thailand is to Boycott Thailand. Nothing is good about Thailand anymore. Even the food is pretty lousy now.[/QUOTE]I'm. I'm. I'm lost for words. That anyone can even suggest something so heinous as to boycott Thailand. *gasp*.

The food has always been and continues to be great. And everything is good about Thailand. Eh. Very - thing.

I don't know where you're coming from dude, but I think you're in a really dark place if you think Thailand sucks. Oh hell, Thailand and the hope of getting back there is the only reason I haven't ended myself yet. It's the bestest place ever and PARADISE on earth. Nuff said.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;3002775]First off Thailand sucks in comparison all other surrounding countries. Second I only had really nice pussy in Bo Win which is now racist. The only way anyone thinks Thailand is good is because they haven't been anywhere else. This place is ten scams on top of each other filled with lies and spite. Boycott Thailand and try Vietnam or the border cities in Cambodia or Laos. Then you will understand what $40 should get you.

GFE. Standard.

Multiple positions. Standard.

No rushing. Standard.

If a girl is so disgusted by you she doesn't give you these she should no be able to survive in this business. Those of you who allow this need to go broke and be punished for destroying the market!

MM.[/QUOTE]I've been spending around $40, haven't given a tip, haven't been asked for a tip. I've been getting:

1. GFE.

2. Multiple positions.

3. No rushing.

4. Asked if I want a second round.

Maybe it's beginners luck, my first time in Asia. Haven't had anyone try to scam me here. Biggest issue, other than the heat has been sidestepping the ladyboys.

Can't speak for border cities of surrounding countries, although a trusted friend says Vietnam is incredible from a non-mongering viewpoint.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;3002393]So the secret place and Bo Win place stopped serving me. I would assume some guys from this forum went there and now they hate foreigners.

The rest of Pattaya is kind of BS you do have some action available, but the quality of the women for anything less than fifty dollars is ridiculous. The services offered you guys act like it's a special thing to have kissing in GFE. We control the market, but all of you just take whatever they give you rather than refusing and making them hungry again.

The biggest problems of course, is with the Asians. They are overpaying the girls so that they can take the best for themselves.

But this has destroyed the entire market, and now they are also starting to realize this. If there is a Korean guy or a Chinese guy reading this, I hope you understand that nobody thinks you're cool for overpaying.

Many girls in Thailand won't even consider any foreigners but Asians now.

Me personally, when I read the posts I can tell. Most of you are either going with unattractive women, or you're paying more than a $100 US dollars in a country where they only make $450 UD dollars a month.

If I go to Europe, I will have no problems paying over a $100 but here it is just silly.

My opinion is no human should return to Pattaya under any circumstances and maybe even all of Thailand. It is much worse than any of you could imagine. Old women actually think they have a shot here. I see guys with women that make me sick inside.

Goodbye Pattaya,

Good luck Simps.

MM Out.[/QUOTE]I can understand not liking Thailand. My first time here and I'm not sure if I'll return. In my case it's the climate and I'm not currently at 100%, so my opinions are slightly skewed. I have been enjoying the food, the people are nice, the women have been treating me very well and the sex services have exceeded my expectations. In the looks department, the women are not at the level I hoped for. Too many are too old, too fat or too ugly for my tastes, but finding girls who fit my taste hasn't been a problem when I am willing to make an effort.

I don't look at kissing in GFE as a big deal. However, if a girl initiates the kissing, if she hungrily attacks my face and shows passion, I give that a thumbs up, and that's what I've been seeing. I do take what they give, once negotiations are settled. However, I don't negotiate every little detail. Agree on price and get to it. Everything flows naturally. BBBJ, DATY, multiple positions, a few extra kinks, depending on the girl, DFK, even BBFS if I want, happens without any discussion or negotiation.

Myself, when I read the posts I assume the people are spending their own money to do what they want to do with the women they want to do it with. What the women look like, how much they pay; insignificant, because they aren't using my money, or my dick. What I get, with my money only has to satisfy me.

Instead of insisting that everyone should leave Thailand and not come back until all the women are beautiful, cheap and begging to please them, I say do what makes you happy. If other countries provide what makes you happy, go there.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;3002647]Geez, not this again.

RTFF, this comes up once a month.

Bottom line: it's up to the police.[/QUOTE]RTFF yourself. It was posted 6 months ago.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;3002265]
Still have a few more nights left. Not sure what to explore next.[/QUOTE]Well don't travel all the way to Pattaya without stepping foot in the top tier gogo clubs to at least see the hotties. And try soi 6 between 5 and 5:30 pm when the girls are just getting started and less aggressive. Find a place with hotties and have a beer or two.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;3002841]And don't think the locals for a minute would pay 2000 baht to 35 year old with a couple of kids and extra kilos. Check this picture out.[/QUOTE]Well I dunno. She's hiding her belly and her butt from sight. Why? Because of website restrictions? Because she has a poor figure? Some belly fat. Flat butt for sure. Compare with the following (Brazil girl, only for comparison). Maybe I'm too figure-fixated. Nice faces without a hot body do nothing for me. I don't want to deride your taste in girls. What I mean is that discussions to the tune of "hey man you can get top hot girls for half the price you're paying" are useless.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;3002393]...
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Many girls in Thailand won't even consider any foreigners but Asians now.
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Goodbye Pattaya,

Good luck Simps.

MM Out.[/QUOTE]Correct. Only Asians + on top of that often only under 40/50. Racism + ageism.

I wonder the mother fucks posting up in here about how bad Pattaya is, see the uselessness of their posts. The ones that compare Pattaya to other places like Brazil and the Dominican Republic. Do they realize they are speaking about their personal preferences which may or my not align with the preferences nor experiences of others.

[U]Example[/U]

I have no problem finding girls I find attractive at my price point. There is no use for the price / location / appearance police to run up on me. You're ignored because those types of comments are an example of a [B]poverty mentality[/B]. Worrying about about the money another grown man is spending and who they are spending it on to fuck.

Who is the mother fuck calling everyone visiting Pattaya a: [I]simp[/I]? Same mother fuck who is a [B]International Trick[/B] just like everyone else up in here. You tricking by definition you are simpin. Red pill guys get all their pussy for free because of the extensive game they have. [B]ROTFLMAO[/B].

I have more girls in my [U]Thai Friendly[/U] account or in active negotiations than I have the inclination or time to fuck.

[B]Go where you are treaded best![/B]

[QUOTE=XXL;3002914]Correct. Only Asians + on top of that often only under 40/50. Racism + ageism.[/QUOTE]When Japanese and Korean guys are present, the rest of us have problems competing with them too. People that really know Pattaya understand this.

[QUOTE=XXL;3002914]Correct. Only Asians + on top of that often only under 40/50. Racism + ageism.[/QUOTE]This is funny because when they reject Indian punters everyone on here all say it's the Indian punters fault. But when they reject white guys. LOL it's racism.

Just got back from Pattaya 10 days mongering trip.

Historically I just used to stick with Tinder, Thai Friendly, Badoo, or Soi 6 quick wang bang majority of the time or BYOB (Bring my own ***** for few days).

This time I did little bit different, mainly focused on bar scene and came across very odd bar girls, Mamason behavior.

I was planning on going to Maggies May on Soi Chalermphrakiat, but saw a cutie in Amon's bar (right before Maggies May) negotiating with Korean client. I went inside the bar and sat on the table ordered beer. Few moments later, the deal fell through, I called the girl to sit next to me, and her name was Chi Chi. Very cute, dark skin girl with great smile. Bought her a drink and immediately mama knew I was into her. She was very responsive, kissing, and all over me I asked mama if she has a room, Mama said room 400 bath, I took her upstairs and had a great session with her.

Came down, and ordered another drink for myself and let Chi chi, go. This Mama was special lady, insisting me for a drink and I said ok. Total bill, 2200 Bath. Best deal.

Next day I back to same bar, Chi Chi was sitting and mama insisting me to take chi chi again, I said no. So she recommending me another girl name NUK.

Nuk was the most accommodating and great fucking machine. First I bought her a drink, and took her upstairs. 1500 for girl and 400 for room. One of the best fuck I had was with this girl NUK.

Bought mama a drink again and another drink for NUK. Paid the bill and left.

Came back to same bar next day, Mama pushing me another girl name YAYA, There are several girls in the bar, but majority of them were not my type. But I picked YAYA, again great session and same price.

5th Trip to the same bar, Saw Yaya, NUK, and Chi Chi, and nothing else catching my eye, so took NUK again for another great session. Bough Nuk, Mama drink again and left.

Now every time I came to the bar, Mama and girls attitude has drastically changed, I was getting totally ignored. Mama or any girl would not even look at me anymore. Paid for the drink and left thought maybe they are going through some sort of crisis or something.

Came back again the next day, same thing Mama, or any girl stop talking or giving me protocol. Amon Bar is very busy, I saw a lot of customers here mainly Falangs, and Koreas.

Again paid for the drink and left, no protocol like first few days.

Dear experienced bar mongers, kindly elaborate what went wrong here? I am still wondering?

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;3003052]Now every time I came to the bar, Mama and girls attitude has drastically changed, I was getting totally ignored. Mama or any girl would not even look at me anymore. Paid for the drink and left thought maybe they are going through some sort of crisis or something.

Came back again the next day, same thing Mama, or any girl stop talking or giving me protocol.[/QUOTE]Familiarity breeds contempt. Nothing but a little diminished appreciation. You are no longer new booty. Now you are just a regular.

[QUOTE=XXL;3002913]Well I dunno. She's hiding her belly and her butt from sight. Why? Because of website restrictions? Because she has a poor figure? Some belly fat. Flat butt for sure. Compare with the following (Brazil girl, only for comparison). Maybe I'm too figure-fixated. Nice faces without a hot body do nothing for me. I don't want to deride your taste in girls. What I mean is that discussions to the tune of "hey man you can get top hot girls for half the price you're paying" are useless.[/QUOTE]I have seen this kind of posts all over Thailand several time. 1200 for a fuck gives you a good looking girl on the local market. Whats going on in Pattaya is overcharging. 35 year old milfs asking 2000 is a joke. They would have gotten 600 back in thier home province.

Has anybody been to this FKK style club on 3rd Road or even stayed at its hotel, eaten in the restaurant.

Facilities look amazing. Karaoke rooms, indoor pool, bedrooms are very smart. Might just have to give this a try on my next trip.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;3003063]I have seen this kind of posts all over Thailand several time. 1200 for a fuck gives you a good looking girl on the local market. Whats going on in Pattaya is overcharging. 35 year old milfs asking 2000 is a joke. They would have gotten 600 back in thier home province.[/QUOTE]Actually, they would get 0 back in their home province. Because they can't entertain customers back in the village.

There are ladies in Pattaya who advertise on the Internet in Thai at cheap prices, but they are looking for a long term partner. Because ladies pay for Thai men in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;3002905]Well don't travel all the way to Pattaya without stepping foot in the top tier gogo clubs to at least see the hotties. And try soi 6 between 5 and 5:30 pm when the girls are just getting started and less aggressive. Find a place with hotties and have a beer or two.[/QUOTE]Any recommendations for those top tier gogo clubs? I'm visiting Pattaya for the first time this month. I'll definitely return the favor after my experience.

If you don't like Thailand why are you here? Buy a plane ticket for peanuts and go elsewhere.

Thai girls don't like negativity and I guarantee if a guy starts his evening with a negative attitude before he even heads out that won't bold well.

No matter where you go hobby in this world you will only be as successful as your positive attitude, smile, and how you carry yourself. Prime example is Thermae. Guys walking around staring at girls with their arms folded and not smiling at the girls. Then wondering why he can't pull a hot girl from Thermae. A guy sitting in a gogo bar too cheap to buy any lady drinks then complains that he can't get the hottest girls over an Asian guy.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;3002905]Well don't travel all the way to Pattaya without stepping foot in the top tier gogo clubs to at least see the hotties. And try soi 6 between 5 and 5:30 pm when the girls are just getting started and less aggressive. Find a place with hotties and have a beer or two.[/QUOTE]That was my plan, but it fell through. I might do a top tier strip club in Bangkok tonight. Got to get on a plane tomorrow morning.

[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;3003122]Any recommendations for those top tier gogo clubs? I'm visiting Pattaya for the first time this month. I'll definitely return the favor after my experience.[/QUOTE]

I usually just go to Palace but XS and Pin Up are also good. Panda used to be very good but I haven't been into the newly remodeled Panda.

All these clubs are crazy expensive for Thailand but that's where the young hotties are to be found.

[QUOTE=Allover;3002918]When Japanese and Korean guys are present, the rest of us have problems competing with them too. People that really know Pattaya understand this.[/QUOTE]Just a detail: instead of "Japanese" read "Chinese / Taiwanese".

[QUOTE=PayForIt;3003066]Has anybody been to this FKK style club on 3rd Road or even stayed at its hotel, eaten in the restaurant.

Facilities look amazing. Karaoke rooms, indoor pool, bedrooms are very smart. Might just have to give this a try on my next trip.[/QUOTE]There's been barely a mention of the place since it first opened six months ago so I doubt that it is doing well. By now I would have expected a few reviews and I don't see that. There are a few comments are about the location and opening times but that's it.

My 8 day visit to Pattaya ended Sunday. There were things which I enjoyed and things which I didn't.

Climate options are either hot and humid or raining, hot and humid. Daily heat index often exceeds 120°F, rain does make it comfortable except for the humidity. I'd recommend bringing an umbrella and hoping for rain.

There are plenty of food options, and I found them all to be enjoyable. So many expats bring their food with them. You can get pad thai right next door to a place serving bangers and mash. Prices are excellent. If street food and night markets are your thing there are plenty of options.

Getting around is easy and cheap, and it's a very walkable city. Baht buses are everywhere and Grab is quick and cheap, wait times of 2-3 minutes.

English is spoken by many. Better communication leads to better outcomes. Hotels can be found for crazy cheap prices. Drinks are also cheap, in the bars and in the stores.

My sessions, on average, were excellent. It's been since I broke up with my last girlfriend since I've had girls kiss like that. Most girls offered MSOG. One girl discovered there was no condom in the room and immediately offered BB, only asking that I pull out. All gave BBBJ without hesitation. One took the CIM and only complained because she wanted to ride my dick. She eventually thanked me after I got her off with some hard finger banging combined with spanking.

The constant calls of "massage ka" were a bit annoying. Walking past 5 spas, each with 5 girls out front all saying the same thing gets old. The Soi 6 girls were too desperate and grabby. That whole vibe turned me off. However, many guys are going to love that. Walking Street, Soi 6, LK Metro, Soi 13/1 and Soi Boomerang all had a more relaxed atmosphere.

Safety and security didn't appear to be an issue. At no time did I feel any undue risk. However, keep your money with you, or locked up, if you leave the massage room to shower. There are some who will go through your pockets.

Overall I'm satisfied with my visit, and may return to give it another shot.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;3003310]
There are plenty of food options, and I found them all to be enjoyable. So many expats bring their food with them. You can get pad thai right next door to a place serving bangers and mash. Prices are excellent. If street food and night markets are your thing there are plenty of options.

English is spoken by many. Better communication leads to better outcomes. Hotels can be found for crazy cheap prices. Drinks are also cheap, in the bars and in the stores.

Most girls offered MSOG. One girl discovered there was no condom in the room and immediately offered BB, only asking that I pull out. All gave BBBJ without hesitation. One took the CIM and only complained because she wanted to ride my dick. She eventually thanked me after I got her off with some hard finger banging combined with spanking.

The Soi 6 girls were too desperate and grabby. That whole vibe turned me off. However, many guys are going to love that. Walking Street, Soi 6, LK Metro, Soi 13/1 and Soi Boomerang all had a more relaxed atmosphere.
[/QUOTE]In a city with millions of people I would not say there are lots of options. The biggest problem I have with the food is the quality of the meat, sauce, and rice is all much lower than it was before. Many restaurants were disgusting or super small portions. My other post lists the good ones but just leave Pattaya. A few places you can eat for $2 but most will cost you over $10. Around $50 if you want a steak.

ENGLISH is NOT spoken by many except old women over 35.

Worst English proficiency I have experienced in a long time!

MINIMUM price for a livable hotel is $20 a night which is NOT cheap in SE Asia. MOST hotels are above $60 a night.

His women are old, try anything he suggested with a girl under 25 and you will probably get limited kissing, a short blowjob, complaining about positions and rushing. The older women have been going without a condom for so long they know condoms are total Bullsh*t. Unfortunately the younger generation have been completely brainwashed and are mostly psycho about using a condom or if you are lucky they want double which means means about $80 for short time no condom at the cheapest. Of course there are exceptions, especially if she let's you eat her pussy and you do a good job, but the normal situation is like the one I have described which has been experienced by me and my 7 mates I am here with in Pattaya. From Jomtien to North Pattaya.

SOI 6 Girls are desperate to get you to buy drinks or take you up to a room above the bar for a 30 minute rushed session with limited service for $80-100 with drinks and room. Pay Attention to the actual number of girls leaving the bar and who they are leaving with. It isn't going to be you.

Bottom line there are no standards in Thailand except in places like Bo Win. Everything you get you have to negotiate for and it kills the whole vibe for me.

Tomorrow is one of my friend's birthday and after that we are headed back to Bangkok. The off to a different country that is really good but I will never share where it is because there are too many evil people reading this forum who want to destroy every good place just like they have destroyed the Philippines and Thailand!

BOYCOTT PATTAYA for 2 or 3 years and it might become good again. No matter what they say 60% of their economy relies on Foriegners so we have the power if we are smart and just stop coming here!

MM.

Both of these ladies who were good companions in bed have messaged me on Line asking me 'When I Back' - the crazy thing is Nim, the better looking one to the left. Red lipstick. Works in a bar by Prime Burger (Tree Town area) - and the other one works in Soi 6 bar. How did they get the ability to compare notes about me? The two never met around me. I am thinking it is slow over there in Pattaya, or it's just the time for them to Text all their old line contacts from a month or 2 months prior. But I got a text from both of them today in a time-span of less than 20 mins!?! Wow.

[QUOTE=GentileBear;3003510]Both of these ladies who were good companions in bed have messaged me on Line asking me 'When I Back' - How did they get the ability to compare notes about me? The two never met around me. I am thinking it is slow over there in Pattaya, or it's just the time for them to Text all their old line contacts from a month or 2 months prior. But I got a text from both of them today in a time-span of less than 20 mins!?! Wow.[/QUOTE]Don't assume they compared notes about you because they asked when you are coming back. Even chicks who are not hookers ask me that all the time. It is just a normal thing that people ask.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;3003310]
Safety and security didn't appear to be an issue. At no time did I feel any undue risk. However, keep your money with you, or locked up, if you leave the massage room to shower. There are some who will go through your pockets.
[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report.

Regarding someone going through your pockets while you are in the shower, do you have reason to believe this happened to you or is that just a concern? When shower is separate room from massage room, I put my valuables in my pants and then carry my pants to the shower room with me.

I went out the other night with some friends and we all agreed that town is kinda quiet now. We went to the popular Heaven above even though I don't like to visit because it's always crowded. Well it was indeed quiet this time but I looked around and there weren't many lookers amongst the ladies. I'm not into paying the rates that are being asked for in gogos or even soi 6 for the most part so I went to a GC for a short time still just a 1000 baht plus 300 for the room.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3003515]Thanks for the report.

Regarding someone going through your pockets while you are in the shower, do you have reason to believe this happened to you or is that just a concern? When shower is separate room from massage room, I put my valuables in my pants and then carry my pants to the shower room with me.[/QUOTE]I put it in an earlier report. My travel wallet is difficult to get money out of, unless you're taking all the money. During a massage I put my watch in the pocket with my travel wallet. After the massage my watch was laying on the shelf next to my shorts. No money was missing. With a regular wallet or money clip something probably would have disappeared.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;3003310]
Getting around is easy and cheap, and it's a very walkable city. Baht buses are everywhere and Grab is quick and cheap, wait times of 2-3 minutes.
[/QUOTE]Been coming to Thailand for 15+ years, I have no desire to use a baht bus. It's either walking, Grab app (for the motorbikes), or motorbike taxis. Vacation time is limited and I'm not sitting in traffic with a bunch of smelly farangs in the back of a truck. Pattaya roads have massive traffic and motorbikes are the only way to avoid it. IMO.

Mongers on vacation have some irrational fear of motorbike taxis and motorbike grab app, yet expats have no problem riding them daily.
[QUOTE=MasterMonger;3003079] the prices in Thailand are out of control and it is only going to get worse.

Boycott Thailand. Maybe in 10 years they will learn their lesson, kinda like China right now!
[/QUOTE]You already know that no "ISG boycott of Pattaya" would change prices as these are coming from East Asians (and even Indians). The prices are not the problem. The lack of talent and lack of good service is the problem.

My current 2 week trip is coming to an end and I'm not sure what to make of it. I've had freelancers, bar girls, girls from discos, girls from Indian clubs, girls from Pinup / Palace / Shark but nothing sticks out as memorable for me.

For me, a boycott is not the answer. The solution is to simply become more selective with who you choose.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;3004108]...

Mongers on vacation have some irrational fear of motorbike taxis and motorbike grab app, yet expats have no problem riding them daily.

...[/QUOTE]The accident statistics regarding motorbikes in Thailand are horrendous. Of course, we all have our notion of what we accept as risk. If I were to start riding a motorbike in Thailand I'd rate it as dangerous for my survival as starting a meth habit at my elderly age.


[QUOTE=MasterMonger;3003498]

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SOI 6 Girls are desperate to get you to buy drinks or take you up to a room above the bar for a 30 minute rushed session with limited service for $80-100 with drinks and room. Pay Attention to the actual number of girls leaving the bar and who they are leaving with. It isn't going to be you.

Bottom line there are no standards in Thailand ...

Tomorrow is one of my friend's birthday and after that we are headed back to Bangkok. The off to a different country that is really good but I will never share where it is because there are too many evil people reading this forum who want to destroy every good place just like they have destroyed the Philippines and Thailand!

...[/QUOTE]Ah-ah-ah, I'm with you there, except like the other poster I doubt we (English-speaking mongers) have much control these days over the way mongering venues go. We are a shrinking democraphic.

Let's meet once in that other country we both know about that's really good.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;3003310]...

Getting around is easy and cheap, and it's a very walkable city. Baht buses are everywhere and Grab is quick and cheap, wait times of 2-3 minutes.

...

The constant calls of "massage ka" were a bit annoying. Walking past 5 spas, each with 5 girls out front all saying the same thing gets old...
[/QUOTE]A very walkable city? No sidewalks? No pedestrian crossings except as death traps?

I also get irritated by the "massaaah-massaaah" callers. I now ignore them as they're not human beings. They're just a special kind of birds that go "massaaah-massaah".

[QUOTE=XXL;3004116]The accident statistics regarding motorbikes in Thailand are horrendous. Of course, we all have our notion of what we accept as risk. If I were to start riding a motorbike in Thailand I'd rate it as dangerous for my survival as starting a meth habit at my elderly age.


Ah-ah-ah, I'm with you there, except like the other poster I doubt we (English-speaking mongers) have much control these days over the way mongering venues go. We are a shrinking democraphic.

Let's meet once in that other country we both know about that's really good.

A very walkable city? No sidewalks? No pedestrian crossings except as death traps?

I also get irritated by the "massaaah-massaaah" callers. I now ignore them as they're not human beings. They're just a special kind of birds that go "massaaah-massaah".[/QUOTE]I found plenty of sidewalks. Of course you have to watch your step. As for crossing the streets, that's a problem almost everywhere. However, even though I was somewhat hobbled by a mostly healed broken foot, I managed to get my 63 year old body across the street several times per day.

This is my 3rd time in Pattaya, but the first time that I went to any Walking Street Go-Go's. My first impression is that it's exactly like Nana Plaza so I knew the rules immediately.

First I tried Palace. I bought a water (140) and looked but nothing seemed to my liking.

Then I went to XS. I bought a water (140) and there were many attractive girls on the stage. Too many to choose from honestly, but I chose my favorite one. I had to wait about 10 minutes for her group to get off the stage, then she sat with me along with a mandatory lady drink (250). I didn't waste any time asking her if she wanted to go to a ST hotel. I've been told on here that the price is 2-4 k, so I just guessed and offered 3 k. She told me it was 5 k and that the price of nearby room was 500. I thought that was pretty steep, but I still wanted to do it (if I had the option of doing this with that attractive of a girl in my home country, I'd do it every day so why not). Then she told me there's also a 1500 fee to the house for bar fine. I considered canceling, but I still said okay. THEN she told me I also have to buy 2 more lady drinks (500) to meet her daily quota before she can leave. At this point, I got fed up and canceled it and paid my tab (140+250=390 plus tip) and left.

It would have cost 140+250+5,000+1,500.

+250+250+500 = 7890. Call it 8000 after tip.

That's $240 which is the price of Asian massage in the USA. I'll probably go back and do it tomorrow cause why the hell not, I'm not broke. It just caught me off guard.

I also went strolling through Soi 6 around 3 pm and there was a few hotties there, but I wasn't in the mood. Soi 6 probably best value for a ST.

On my way driving to Walking Street, I noticed a lot of girls standing around on the beach side of Beach Road. Some of them pretty cute too. Despite this being my 3rd time here, it's the first time I saw that area at night.

I also went to Maggie May's, but there was nothing worth doing. One of the girls was rubbing my cock through my pants trying to convince me to pay 1300 (1000 + 300 for curtain) for a BJ, but I just didn't want to waste a nut that night.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;3004215]
That's $240 which is the price of Asian massage in the USA. I'll probably go back and do it tomorrow cause why the hell not, I'm not broke. [/QUOTE]Don't do it, chances are high that it's going to be a dreadful experience.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;3004316]Don't do it, chances are high that it's going to be a dreadful experience.[/QUOTE]Why? You've done it before?

Went to Soi 6 about 4 pm.

Barely even had to look before I found a bar with cuties. Lucky for me, the girl who handed me the menu was good looking enough for me so I didn't have to do any "hunting. ".

Cost = water (65) + lady drink (180) + room fee (400) + girl (2000) = 2645 baht ≈ $80 usd.

Great value for the money. I think I've discovered that Soi 6 is best during daylight hours.

I'm a white guy and I haven't experienced any of this "racism" because I'm not east Asian that some of you talk about on here. Not from the girls or from other guys, staff, etc. Although to be fair, I realize I'm not of Indian or African descent, so perhaps my experience wouldn't be the same if I was (or maybe it would be, I have no opinion on the topic).

I'm the type that goes in and gets right to business. I don't sit around drinking and chatting. I don't drink alcohol so I buy 1 mandatory water.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;3004215]This is my 3rd time in Pattaya, but the first time that I went to any Walking Street Go-Go's. My first impression is that it's exactly like Nana Plaza so I knew the rules immediately.

First I tried Palace. I bought a water (140) and looked but nothing seemed to my liking.

Then I went to XS. I bought a water (140) and there were many attractive girls on the stage. Too many to choose from honestly, but I chose my favorite one. I had to wait about 10 minutes for her group to get off the stage, then she sat with me along with a mandatory lady drink (250). I didn't waste any time asking her if she wanted to go to a ST hotel. I've been told on here that the price is 2-4 k, so I just guessed and offered 3 k. She told me it was 5 k and that the price of nearby room was 500. I thought that was pretty steep, but I still wanted to do it (if I had the option of doing this with that attractive of a girl in my home country, I'd do it every day so why not). Then she told me there's also a 1500 fee to the house for bar fine. I considered canceling, but I still said okay. THEN she told me I also have to buy 2 more lady drinks (500) to meet her daily quota before she can leave. At this point, I got fed up and canceled it and paid my tab (140+250=390 plus tip) and left.

It would have cost 140+250+5,000+1,500.

+250+250+500 = 7890. Call it 8000 after tip.

That's $240 which is the price of Asian massage in the USA. I'll probably go back and do it tomorrow cause why the hell not, I'm not broke. It just caught me off guard.

I also went strolling through Soi 6 around 3 pm and there was a few hotties there, but I wasn't in the mood. Soi 6 probably best value for a ST.

On my way driving to Walking Street, I noticed a lot of girls standing around on the beach side of Beach Road. Some of them pretty cute too. Despite this being my 3rd time here, it's the first time I saw that area at night.

I also went to Maggie May's, but there was nothing worth doing. One of the girls was rubbing my cock through my pants trying to convince me to pay 1300 (1000 + 300 for curtain) for a BJ, but I just didn't want to waste a nut that night.[/QUOTE]Palace.

4,000 to girl.

Barfine 2,000.

Room 450.

That minimum quita for Drinks irks me. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;3004364]That minimum quita for Drinks irks me. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]How do you avoid paying it? They just don't have that quota at Palace? Or you go later in the night when the girl is more likely to have met her quota already?

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;3004364]Palace.

4,000 to girl.

Barfine 2,000.

Room 450.

That minimum quita for Drinks irks me. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]Do guys honestly think that they will get better service for paying more or do they hope that they will get better service?

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3004405]Do guys honestly think that they will get better service for paying more or do they hope that they will get better service?[/QUOTE]Well if "service" means how good the girl looks, then yes.

Are you going to go with a toothless grandma because she claims to be better in bed.

How much skill does it take to spread your legs and bend over?

Although I admit oral skills can vary greatly between girls, but doesn't mean I'd pick toothless granny because she's an expert.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3004405]Do guys honestly think that they will get better service for paying more or do they hope that they will get better service?[/QUOTE]Paying more than what or more than who? You pay what you negotiate. The OP did not say that he would pay it for the service. He said he would pay it for the look of the girl.

Folks. I've made many trips to Bangkok and Pattaya in the past. Lately heard Pattaya rates are going up. Am planning to visit Thailand in mid June for a sex trip. Should I stick with Bangkok only where the street girls in nana will charge me 1000 baht or shall I spend time in pattaya where it seems to be offseason now and not many decent girls available for 1000.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;3004354]I'm a white guy and I haven't experienced any of this "racism" because I'm not east Asian that some of you talk about on here. Not from the girls or from other guys, staff, etc. Although to be fair, I realize I'm not of Indian or African descent, so perhaps my experience wouldn't be the same if I was (or maybe it would be, I have no opinion on the topic).

I'm the type that goes in and gets right to business. I don't sit around drinking and chatting. I don't drink alcohol so I buy 1 mandatory water.[/QUOTE]You've got to go there many times to experience it.

It has nothing to do with racism, that's just basic economics for the most, and some girls personnal preferences for others.

Most probably the "Asians only" girls didn't pay attention to you and you probably didn't see them but they are real.

It's not hard to understand the logic, when you see 2 Asian guys seated at a table, immediately ordering 10 tequilas for a girl just to seat with them at the same table. Easy to understand that some girls will only try to capitalize on these kind of guys.

Some girls can refuse to go upstairs with you for all kind of reasons too, it's not only about origins or drinks. Yesterday I had a good time with a 19 year's old chick, paid her two drinks during that time, but in the end she refused to go upstairs. Told me she's got her period first, when I said I don't believe her she then said ok 3000 baht, when I said no she said not today, today she's tired, another day.

It's up to her how she runs her business but I'll personnaly boycott her bar now as the fat mama is an absolute dumbass too (Flirt bar).

[QUOTE=NRandom940;3004326]Why? You've done it before?[/QUOTE]Girl's telling you she doesn't want to go with you. If you think she's hot enough to fuck even when she doesn't want to, and you have the money, then sure, why not.

Myself I'd probably look for a girl that was less repulsed by me.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;3004392]How do you avoid paying it? They just don't have that quota at Palace? Or you go later in the night when the girl is more likely to have met her quota already?[/QUOTE]In most cases if a gogo girl tells you she has a drink quota to meet it's more or less a scam or it's what she feels you need to pay on top of the barfine plus her rates for her to have to go with you. A drink quota needs to be met for her contract (not nightly) whether her contract be 4, 7, 10 days. Any hot girl worth a damn will have no issue meeting their drink quota in her contract period. If you go for a girl who doesn't get many drinks per night then yes maybe she is telling you the truth that she has a drink quota to meet if it's the final night of her contract.

How to avoid paying it? I've never done it but I suppose you can tell the gogo girl to Line you once she has met her drink quota for her contract. Tell her you will barfine her at that time. If she wants to go with you she will Line you. If she doesn't Line you I'm sure by then you've found multiple similar or better gogo girls you can fuck.

Girls are interchangeable and replaceable. Always remember that when shopping in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3004470]Girl's telling you she doesn't want to go with you. If you think she's hot enough to fuck even when she doesn't want to, and you have the money, then sure, why not.

Myself I'd probably look for a girl that was less repulsed by me.[/QUOTE]Oh yea? Tell us all your stories about being at the better go-go's on WS.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;3004473]In most cases if a gogo girl tells you she has a drink quota to meet it's more or less a scam or it's what she feels you need to pay on top of the barfine plus her rates for her to have to go with you. A drink quota needs to be met for her contract (not nightly) whether her contract be 4, 7, 10 days. Any hot girl worth a damn will have no issue meeting their drink quota in her contract period. If you go for a girl who doesn't get many drinks per night then yes maybe she is telling you the truth that she has a drink quota to meet if it's the final night of her contract.

How to avoid paying it? I've never done it but I suppose you can tell the gogo girl to Line you once she has met her drink quota for her contract. Tell her you will barfine her at that time. If she wants to go with you she will Line you. If she doesn't Line you I'm sure by then you've found multiple similar or better gogo girls you can fuck.

Girls are interchangeable and replaceable. Always remember that when shopping in Thailand.[/QUOTE]What prices do you get at XS or similar places?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;3004473]In most cases if a gogo girl tells you she has a drink quota to meet it's more or less a scam or it's what she feels you need to pay on top of the barfine plus her rates for her to have to go with you. A drink quota needs to be met for her contract (not nightly) whether her contract be 4, 7, 10 days. Any hot girl worth a damn will have no issue meeting their drink quota in her contract period. If you go for a girl who doesn't get many drinks per night then yes maybe she is telling you the truth that she has a drink quota to meet if it's the final night of her contract.

How to avoid paying it? I've never done it but I suppose you can tell the gogo girl to Line you once she has met her drink quota for her contract. Tell her you will barfine her at that time. If she wants to go with you she will Line you. If she doesn't Line you I'm sure by then you've found multiple similar or better gogo girls you can fuck.

Girls are interchangeable and replaceable. Always remember that when shopping in Thailand.[/QUOTE]I now remember that I posted here a few weeks ago in preparation for this trip and was warned that I may be expected to fulfill a girls drink quota for her to leave. So I don't think it's that she found me repulsive. I did ask for her Line and she said she couldn't give it out unless we went to the room (or something to that effect).

Here is the post from a few weeks ago where I was told to expect this exact behavior. I didn't get the impression that she was repulsed by me. It just got tiring with all the added nonsense fees.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=2999628[/URL]#post2999628.

If you are paying more than $25 for short time in a country with a $450 monthly salary you are paying stupid tax. If you are paying over $45 which is 10% of the monthly wage you are paying moron tax. Any of you guys paying over $112 which is 25% of the monthly wage in Thailand are paying brain dead tax.

You decide which one you want to be.

The calculation is simple.

5% or less than average monthly salary for ST, 15% or less for LT.

It isn't rocket science it is economics.

Do Better Boycott Thailand just like the Philippines just reported a sharp decline in tourism up to 35% less Koreans going there in the first 3 months of 2025. We control the market if we are intelligent.

MM.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;3004354]Went to Soi 6 about 4 pm.

Barely even had to look before I found a bar with cuties. Lucky for me, the girl who handed me the menu was good looking enough for me so I didn't have to do any "hunting. ".

Cost = water (65) + lady drink (180) + room fee (400) + girl (2000) = 2645 baht ≈ $80 usd.

Great value for the money. I think I've discovered that Soi 6 is best during daylight hours.

I'm a white guy and I haven't experienced any of this "racism" because I'm not east Asian that some of you talk about on here. Not from the girls or from other guys, staff, etc. Although to be fair, I realize I'm not of Indian or African descent, so perhaps my experience wouldn't be the same if I was (or maybe it would be, I have no opinion on the topic).

I'm the type that goes in and gets right to business. I don't sit around drinking and chatting. I don't drink alcohol so I buy 1 mandatory water.[/QUOTE]You were lucky, a lot of bargirls don't want to go Short Time because they might miss a Korean whale who could buy them 40 drinks.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3004405]Do guys honestly think that they will get better service for paying more or do they hope that they will get better service?[/QUOTE]As a matter of commerce it is certainly well understood and accepted that paying more will get you more IF it is stipulated that additional payment purchases better service for you.

Massage and Happy Ending Shops are not shy about adding surcharges and higher prices for Anal, BBBJCIM vs BBBJ, 90 minutes vs 60 minutes, etc. Which unavoidably equates to "better service" for customers who want Anal, BBBJCIM instead of just BBBJ and a 90 minute session instead of a 60 minute session, right?

So to extrapolate that same basic principle of commerce to what one pays for a session with a gogo girl, beer bar girl, Freelancers, etc, I would say paying more should and will get you "better service" as long as the girl understands and agrees that she will only get a stated amount of money IF and after she has provided whatever the customer considers "better service" than he has learned is very likely to happen in the room in the absence of such an upfront agreement.

However, for a customer to pay meaningfully more than the going rate or more than the customer knows he could pay for essentially the same quality of provider and service nearby simply because everyone else in the place is getting that much, with no stated connection between paying more and getting more, as in "better service", does absolutely nothing to ensure or encourage "better service".

Z4 is a Thai live band place located in Soi Excyte.

Do not go there. It will give you diarrhea.

It's also full of Thai tomboys.

[QUOTE=Gloryjack;3004442]Folks. I've made many trips to Bangkok and Pattaya in the past. Lately heard Pattaya rates are going up. Am planning to visit Thailand in mid June for a sex trip. Should I stick with Bangkok only where the street girls in nana will charge me 1000 baht or shall I spend time in pattaya where it seems to be offseason now and not many decent girls available for 1000.[/QUOTE]If for nothing else just the damn blowjob bars that are only 800 baht and they can actually make you cum but, why Thailand?

GFE is so hard to get here, tight pussies are hard to find, bareback with anyone under 20 is a struggle. The Thai people are literally more racist than Japanese. All they care about is your money, and how they can get you to spend it. Thailand has become a nightmare with all the places just set up to scam you!

Go Anywhere else bro.

MM.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;3004215] Then she told me there's also a 1500 fee to the house for bar fine. I considered canceling, but I still said okay. THEN she told me I also have to buy 2 more lady drinks (500) to meet her daily quota before she can leave. At this point, I got fed up and canceled it and paid my tab (140+250=390 plus tip) and left.[/QUOTE]I know exactly how you feel. I have been a loyal customer in Pattayas gogos for many years, even after prices went up a lot. But this bullshit of drinks quotas made me so angry that I almost completely stopped going to Gogos. Soi 6 is perfect for me.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;3004492]I did ask for her Line and she said she couldn't give it out unless we went to the room (or something to that effect).[/QUOTE]I used to get them to say it aloud while I write it in my phone. But now that Line fucks up and you have to use the QR code, that method will no longer work.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3004603]I know exactly how you feel. I have been a loyal customer in Pattayas gogos for many years, even after prices went up a lot. But this bullshit of drinks quotas made me so angry that I almost completely stopped going to Gogos. Soi 6 is perfect for me.[/QUOTE]Are there any go-go's left that have good looking girls without this ridiculous stuff in Pattaya?

I have no issue with Nana Plaza in Bangkok. It's usually about 4000 ($120) including everything and I always get a hotel close by so we have lots of time.

What the last few bm are posting is why I haven to walking street gogos in months. The chicks are just to much to me. Add in the I don't go you got to buy me this many drinks etc and the experience just isn't great.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3004603] But this bullshit of drinks quotas made me so angry that I almost completely stopped going to Gogos. Soi 6 is perfect for me.[/QUOTE]I second that. I had another great night on Soi 6 for $80. It was with one of the 20 yo hotties yet out on the street to draw people in.

She was just as hot as what I would pay 3 x as much for on WS.

[QUOTE=Gloryjack;3004442]Folks. I've made many trips to Bangkok and Pattaya in the past. Lately heard Pattaya rates are going up. Am planning to visit Thailand in mid June for a sex trip. Should I stick with Bangkok only where the street girls in nana will charge me 1000 baht or shall I spend time in pattaya where it seems to be offseason now and not many decent girls available for 1000.[/QUOTE]IMHO, the primary difference between what Bangkok offers compared to Pattaya is nuru massages. If you want nuru, stay a night or two in Bangkok. If you don't care for nuru or are satisfied with the soapies, stay with Pattaya.

If it's your first trip, perhaps staying with Pattaya is your best bet.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;3004517]You were lucky, a lot of bargirls don't want to go Short Time because they might miss a Korean whale who could buy them 40 drinks.[/QUOTE]How much time do you spend here?

I just repeated the same thing tonight and did it on my last trip here as well. I'm at a 100% success rate. Doesn't sound like luck to me.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;3004503]If you are paying more than $25 for short time in a country with a $450 monthly salary you are paying stupid tax. If you are paying over $45 which is 10% of the monthly wage you are paying moron tax. Any of you guys paying over $112 which is 25% of the monthly wage in Thailand are paying brain dead tax.

You decide which one you want to be.

The calculation is simple.

5% or less than average monthly salary for ST, 15% or less for LT.

It isn't rocket science it is economics.

Do Better Boycott Thailand just like the Philippines just reported a sharp decline in tourism up to 35% less Koreans going there in the first 3 months of 2025. We control the market if we are intelligent.

MM.[/QUOTE]According to your posts, you've been in Thailand since April 7. You've repeatedly posted that it's impossible to get GFE from an attractive young woman in Thailand, even if you pay $200. You've stated that the cost of a woman in Pattaya is more expensive than the US. You've told us all the food sucks, the hotels are overpriced, the people are all racist and in every way Thailand is a horrible place to visit. The only exception was 1 day in Bo Win, provided guys had a small penis, but 9 days later you reported that no girls in Bo Win would fuck you for any price.

Yet, with all the negative things about Thailand, not only have you spent about 40 days there, but you've brought along 7 other guys, subjecting them to all the horrors of the place. All while telling everyone to boycott Thailand.

Surely you have a name for the tax paid by someone spending 40+ days in a place he hates, when places he claims are much better are just a short hop away.

Here's advice for everyone else:

Wherever you go, enjoy yourself. If you're wasting time trying to figure out what percentage of the local average wage it costs to fuck, you never should have left home. It's quite simple. If you enjoy yourself, smile, and feel good, you get treated better by everyone around you. If you're whining and complaining about everything, what woman will want to show you a good time.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;3004612]I have no issue with Nana Plaza in Bangkok. It's usually about 4000 ($120) including everything[/QUOTE]Top Bangkok gogo bars have had cheaper barfines (the amount that goes to the club) than top Pattaya gogo bars for many many years. Barfines have been 2000 baht at Pattaya gogo bars like What's Up / Imagine (now closed), Sensations, Sapphire, etc since 2016. Others soon joined in. Monkey see monkey do. I'm no expert in BKK rates but I don't even think any BKK gogo bars have 2000 baht barfines even now, 9 years later!

[QUOTE=NRandom940;3004640]I second that. I had another great night on Soi 6 for $80. It was with one of the 20 yo hotties yet out on the street to draw people in.

She was just as hot as what I would pay 3 x as much for on WS.[/QUOTE]I agree 100% - and posted basically the same conclusion in my TR last month. I even tried to like the bars in LK Metro and the such. But Soi 6 is just more convenient. I have not been to Walking Street in 3 trips. Except to check out Hot Tuna where the live bands are. Already seen 6' 4" Russian women in pornos and all the bad reports about lack luster service here on ISG.

Soi 6 allows us to see the talent. Touch her. Sample her titties maybe? See if there is a connection. Smile like a coked up French president or game show host and go up stairs. Ruby Club and Slutz as well as Hollywood where my favorite places to find willing ladies in March.

Long live Soi 6.

[QUOTE=Ddrd08;2992653]OK. Not so much a report. Yet! But I wanted to try something different in Pattaya so have booked an adult resort - [URL]https://www.maggiemaysresort.com[/URL] - a friend convinced me as they said it has no kids and a gentleman's club inside it for mongering, easy bar fining and taking to rooms, lots of girls etc. And a swimming pool and sexy girls in bikinis. Works out only 500 baht a night. Worth sharing in case anyone else is looking for something similar in Pattaya as I certainly haven't heard of anything similar.[/QUOTE]OK actual field report now: I've just finished my stay here. WOW. Beautiful ladies, no kids and I saved a lot on all inclusive. It meant I could monger more, I pretty much took a different girl back to my room for free every day. I also got free bar crawl transport almost daily and met a bunch of new friends.

Definitely going to book again.

Some feedback from my notes, taken on the go from April 30 to May 3.

Day 1, Girl 1 (25 years old): I reconnected with her today after a long period of giving her the cold shoulder. I went to her massage parlor on 2nd Road. Gorgeous curves, nice big butt, big firm breasts. Amazing massage that extended into an oily handjob, followed by a great blowjob, and I ended up giving inI took her from the front and doggy style. She offered up her stunning butt. Despite being tired, I was very aroused. Plus, it wasn't too expensive considering the service: 1300 B + 200 B tip.

Day 2, Girl 1 (25 years old): Soi 13/1. Kind, adorable, cute, and always tells me she misses me. Probably it's my bahts she misses most, but it's nice to hear. Couldn't finish today, even though it started wellshe's cute, young, and engaged, so I have no complaints. I almost finished in missionary, but when I switched to doggy style, I lost the urge. I didn't lose my erection, though, thanks to Sildenafil. After pounding away for at least 15 minutes, I gave up and pretended I'the finished: 1500 B + 500 B tip.

Day 2, Girl 2 (24 years old): Soi Honey, last massage parlor before 2nd Road. Pretty face, though a bit skinny for my taste. Still, it was more than fine. Delicious, fairly long blowjob. So, I didn't take any risks and finished in missionary. I was still very aroused, and the 50 MG Sildenafil taken around 1:00 PM was working well: 1300 B.

Day 3, Girl 1 (29 years old): Soi 6, one of the first bars on the left. Not a very pretty face but a superb body. She gave it her allvery long blowjob, handjob, front, back, but nothing worked, I couldn't finish. Inexplicable: 1300 B + 100 B tip.

Day 3, Girl 2 (32 years old): Soi Honey, same parlor as the day before. Cute little face, average body. But a 5-star massage. And this time, I finished in missionary almost immediately. Inexplicable after the previous failure: 1300 B + 100 B tip.

Day 4, Girl 1 (30 years old): My regular at the Soi Honey massage parlor. Always perfectly curvy pom poï as I like. Excellent massage (5* excellent blowjob, behavior and little moans that turn me on while fucking her. I finished without the slightest problem, no pressure during the massage: 1300 B + 200 B tip.

Some feedback (continued) from my notes, taken on the go from May 4 to May 7.

Day 5, Girl 1 (38 years old): So, I wanted to play it safe and went to see my regular, always reliably at her post in front of her massage shop on Soi 13/1. A sure thing. Excellent massage, good blowjob, good fuck. She has an erotic presence. Doesn't go for my dick like a maniac, she takes it slow, and that gets me going: 1500 B + 500 B tip.

Day 6, Girl 1 (35 years old): Massage parlor on Soi Honey near Soi Buakhao. Quite curvy but with pleasant shapes that make you want to touch. She took good care of me with a breast massage, which was nice. Good blowjob, but I wasn't in top form today and didn't finish: 1300 B + 200 B tip.

Day 6, Girl 2 (28 years old): Massage parlor on Soi Honey. Kind, gentle, and naughty, fairly well-built with slightly curvy shapes, but again, I couldn't finish: 1500 be.

Day 6, Girl 3 (50 years old): Soi Honey parlor, the old spot of my little Su. I'the given up on it, but then I thought, okay, let's try one last time. It's expensive if it doesn't work out, but oh well. Remarkably well-preserved for her age. Well-built, wearing a sexy little skirt like an office worker, which I found hot. The blowjob was simply sublimeI can't recall one like it: mouth, tongue, deep, a bit more and I might've finished. I ended in missionary: 1300 B + 200 B tip.

Day 7, Girl 1 (33 years old): On Soi Buakhao. I've passed by this massage parlor for a while, and this time I asked about prices. She wasn't a beauty but cute enough, shy, asked me how much I wanted to pay, and agreed to 1000 be right away. Decent massage, more like caresses. Once I flipped over, we got to the serious stuff. Good blowjob, I helped her undressshe didn't seem used to doing extras with the massage. She really enjoyed the penetration and came. I think she was craving a good dick. I tried not to finish and was on the edge. Then I took her in doggy style, and the urge was gone. I went soft. Tried missionary, cowgirl, nothing worked. She did her best. Then, to my surprise, she suggested taking off the condom, which I agreed to because I was frustrated about not finishing, though I knew I'the regret it later. Bareback, she rode me again, and I came right away. The sensations are definitely not the same with and without a condom: 1000 B + 500 B tip.

Some feedback (continued) from my notes, taken on the go from May 11 to May 13.

Day 8, Girl 1 (33 years old): No more fooling around in the massage parlor; her boss told her it's not allowed anymore. So, she came to my room, which is 100 meters away at most. I think she enjoys sleeping with me. She seems almost in love. Holds my hand or arm in the street. And she has the attitude of a woman with feelings: the eyes, the attention. I went for round two and had her come to my room because going without a condom and finishing inside her turns me on. Really good blowjob, and I think she cameanyway, she loves it when I'm inside her. I learned she's been working in Pattaya for a month; before that, she worked in a factory in Rayong (but they all worked in factories before): 1500 B.

Day 9, Girl 1 (50 years old): Soi Honey, same one as last time; she left me with a good memory, so I wanted to go back. She knows what she's doing, the naughty one. I had asked her by message if she was okay with a BJ and finishing in her mouth; she said yes but that she doesn't swallow. Once there, she gave me a fantastic massage, then, when I flipped over, she started a blowjob she's mastered. I didn't last long before finishing, even though I usually never finish from a BJ. When I came, she took my dick out of her mouth; I quickly put it back in and finished all the way in her mouth. Mmmm, delicious. Then she made victory signs for making me finish like that. What a naughty little thing! 1300 B + 200 B tip.

Day 10, Girl 1 (35 years old): Soi 12, in a massage parlor I'the never been to before since the masseuses are dressed and usually don't do boom boom. Sometimes I ask when I have nothing else to do, but I already know the answer. Well, this time, jackpotshe's okay with an oil massage, BJ, and boom boom, and it's cheap too: 1000 B, super competitive price. Not a top-tier beauty, but 35 years old, totally fuckable, and with curves I like. The next day (today), I went back. Excellent massage, excellent blowjob (with little moans), tight pussy (great sensations), and I finished in missionary to keep the urge going. That's how it went, a week earlier: 1000 B + 200 B tip.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;3004825]Some feedback (continued) from my notes, taken on the go from May 11 to May 13.

Day 8, Girl 1 (33 years old): .......[/QUOTE]Considering the ages of the girls you're dating, you've probably been having the best sexual experiences in Pattaya.

[URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2025/05/22/pattaya-police-plan-to-stomp-out-beachfront-prostitution-over-50-people-arrested/[/URL]

You lose 64 points if you debate whether prostitution is legal in Thailand. The actual status is: if the police want to arrest someone for prostitution, they can invoke any number of related charges, such as disturbing the peace. The end result is the same as arresting for prostitution.

The issue is whether the police really want to end prostitution on Beach Road, or whether they are doing a show.

At any rate, I suspect the freelancers on Second Road are unaffected.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;3005103][URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2025/05/22/pattaya-police-plan-to-stomp-out-beachfront-prostitution-over-50-people-arrested/[/URL]

You lose 64 points if you debate whether prostitution is legal in Thailand. The actual status is: if the police want to arrest someone for prostitution, they can invoke any number of related charges, such as disturbing the peace. The end result is the same as arresting for prostitution.

The issue is whether the police really want to end prostitution on Beach Road, or whether they are doing a show.

At any rate, I suspect the freelancers on Second Road are unaffected.[/QUOTE]That report is a masterpiece example of how to suggest there is actually a law against prostitution between consenting adults in Thailand by dragging in all the usual "soliciting openly and shamefully", "creating a public nuisance" and "tarnishing the reputation of" blah blah blah qualifiers they can think of to suggest such a thing when there simply is no such a law on the books, nor will there ever be.

I suppose it must fool some of the less detail-oriented readers out there.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;3005103][URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2025/05/22/pattaya-police-plan-to-stomp-out-beachfront-prostitution-over-50-people-arrested/[/URL]

You lose 64 points if you debate whether prostitution is legal in Thailand. The actual status is: if the police want to arrest someone for prostitution, they can invoke any number of related charges, such as disturbing the peace. [B]The end result is the same as arresting for prostitution.[/b]

The issue is whether the police really want to end prostitution on Beach Road, or whether they are doing a show.

At any rate, I suspect the freelancers on Second Road are unaffected.[/QUOTE]Well, that depends on whether you would rather have a criminal record of being arrested, tried and convicted for Prostitution or for Disturbing The Peace.

Anybody here really think those outcomes are the same? How many would choose a conviction for Prostitution on your international record over Disturbing The Peace?

I don't think that report clearly states any male customers were arrested for Disturbing The Peace in that way, if anyone was actually arrested at all instead of simply rounded up for questioning and then fined for Disturbing The Peace, that is.

And, yes, you are absolutely correct that any prostitutes and customers conducting a discrete negotiation for the exchange of sex for money on the other side of Beach Road away from the crowds and all the public attention were not even noticed or approached by the police much less arrested for anything.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3005356]That report is a masterpiece example of how to suggest there is actually a law against prostitution between consenting adults in Thailand by dragging in all the usual "soliciting openly and shamefully", "creating a public nuisance" and "tarnishing the reputation of" blah blah blah qualifiers they can think of to suggest such a thing when there simply is no such a law on the books, nor will there ever be.

I suppose it must fool some of the less detail-oriented readers out there.[/QUOTE]We really don't want want a debate on this issue.

Bottom line: the Pattaya police can arrest prostitutes under whatever charge they want. The result is the same.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;3005468]We really don't want want a debate on this issue.

Bottom line: the Pattaya police can arrest prostitutes under whatever charge they want. The result is the same.[/QUOTE]No it isn't the same. An arrest or conviction for disturbing the peace / causing a public nuisance, which is a crime cited in the Thai Penal Code, is not the same as an arrest or conviction for prostitution, which is not a crime cited in the Thai Penal Code. For one thing, someone CAN be convicted of the former but not for the latter in Thailand unless they change the law.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLOAg46ZW-0[/URL]

Who's actually going to this joint?

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvg5fs_AWoI[/URL]

What's the point of these so called raids, kinda weird. I know for me, when I think of Pattaya, just one thing springs to mind. And it'd be the only reason for me to go there.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;3005638][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLOAg46ZW-0[/URL]

Who's actually going to this joint?[/QUOTE]I went to the Maggie Mays Resort before their formal opening, and reported here.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;3005638]
[B]The girls here don't look very attractive[/b] [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLOAg46ZW-0[/URL]

Who's actually going to this joint?[/QUOTE]I only skipped through the video but at 24:58 there is a line up of about 15 girls and I would say 2-3 of them look attractive in those particular shots.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;3005639][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvg5fs_AWoI[/URL]

What's the point of these so called raids, kinda weird. I know for me, when I think of Pattaya, just one thing springs to mind. And it'd be the only reason for me to go there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;3005639]
[B]There's prostitution in Pattaya? You don't say[/b] [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvg5fs_AWoI[/URL]

What's the point of these so called raids, kinda weird. I know for me, when I think of Pattaya, just one thing springs to mind. And it'd be the only reason for me to go there.[/QUOTE]Props to the hosts of that video for being a bit more detail-oriented than other media reports about the recent Beach Road sweep only sweeping up the female and ladyboy prostitutes in order to reduce the "open and shameful" solicitation of prostitution, which is the only prostitution-related crime the police can enforce in this case. Or perhaps there was an improper visa issue or two among those 50 arrests or sweeps. And that none of their potential customers observed in the "open and shameful" act of soliciting prostitution were arrested, rounded up, charged with or fined for anything at all.

That is an important detail for punters reading this website to know and to clearly understand the reasons for it.

However, boo to them for blithely repeating the popular misunderstanding that prostitution is "illegal" in Thailand. It is not.

And that is why prostitutes plying their trade in the quieter side sois and less open to the public areas than heavy tourist traffic Beach Road and only on the beach side of it at that were not arrested, rounded up and fined for anything, something the hosts wonder about but naturally have no explanation for as long as they are laboring under the misunderstanding that the basic act of prostitution is "illegal" in Thailand.

The simple reason for which is that if prostitution is solicited, negotiated for and engaged in discretely between or among consenting adults there is no Thai crime for which the police can observe, approach, sting, arrest or fine anyone.

It would make sense that hookers get removed from the beach side of Beach Road because it is the most beautiful part of town for a night time couples or family stroll. By my same philosophy, the freelancers would remain un-hassled in all other parts of Pattaya. Totally removing the hookers from Pattaya would destroy the local hospitality industry (hotels, restaurants, markets, malls, tourist shops, taxi / Grab / baht bus, etc) and have a major effect on thousands of poor families throughout Issan. I cannot imagine that Pattaya government would be foolish enough to do something like that (that level of stupidity is reserved for the Americans).

Do any shows like this exist in Pattaya? Years ago I saw a crazy show like this in Phuket.

Asking for a friend.

[QUOTE=OrgasmDonor;3005789]Do any shows like this exist in Pattaya? Years ago I saw a crazy show like this in Phuket.

Asking for a friend.[/QUOTE]I see people on Walking Street showing ads for a ping pong show. Never gone to one.

Along [U]Walking Street[/U] you will not be able to take two steps before being offered to be escorted to one. I've never been. Not my thing. But my crew has!

[QUOTE=OrgasmDonor;3005789]Do any shows like this exist in Pattaya? Years ago I saw a crazy show like this in Phuket.

Asking for a friend.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;3003052]Dear experienced bar mongers, kindly elaborate what went wrong here? I am still wondering?[/QUOTE]Wondering about complete senseless attitude of Thai bar staff is like wondering why rain is wet.

Never ever think just one second about it. Do exactly what you did, pay and go.

Touched down in Pattaya. These are exciting times. Here's the view from the rooftop Infinity Pool at my condo building.

Hi. Hearing about rising covid cases in Thailand. Would this be a good time to visit Thailand? Am planning to visit Pattaya for mongering, 2 weeks from now. Please advise.

Hotel seems amazing. Also has a clear unobstructed view of the sea. Which hotel is it?

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3006026]Touched down in Pattaya. These are exciting times. Here's the view from the rooftop Infinity Pool at my condo building.[/QUOTE]

After spending a few days in Pattaya last week, I have come to the conclusion that I much prefer Bangkok.

In Pattaya, the go-go's are way overpriced. I mentioned that I planned to go back there to get one of the hottest girls for $240 usd. I decided against it after having cheaper fun on Soi 6 for $80 usd. The average go-go girl may be hotter, but not 3 x hotter.

I didn't use TF at all even though I did in past visits to Pattaya. I prefer being able to see in person before agreeing to meet, so there's no need.

Plus the most important reason is that Pattaya is just so boring during the day. I would purposely stay up late so that I slept until 3 pm when the bars started opening. There is literally nothing to do during the day in my opinion.

From now on, Bangkok will be my base when I visit Thailand. I may take a trip down to Pattaya for a day or two to mix things up, but I much prefer Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Gloryjack;3006104]Hotel seems amazing. Also has a clear unobstructed view of the sea. Which hotel is it?[/QUOTE]It is a nice place but it's not a hotel. As I mentioned before, it's a Condo. It's called "The Base".

After spending a few days in Pattaya last week, I have come to the conclusion that I much prefer Bangkok.

In Pattaya, the go-go's are way overpriced. I mentioned that I planned to go back there to get one of the hottest girls for $240 usd. I decided against it after having cheaper fun on Soi 6 for $80 usd. The average go-go girl may be hotter, but not 3 x hotter.

I didn't use TF at all even though I did in past visits to Pattaya. I prefer being able to see in person before agreeing to meet, so there's no need.

Plus the most important reason is that Pattaya is just so boring during the day. I would purposely stay up late so that I slept until 3 pm when the bars started opening. There is literally nothing to do during the day in my opinion.

From now on, Bangkok will be my base when I visit Thailand. I may take a trip down to Pattaya for a day or two to mix things up, but I much prefer Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Gloryjack;3006050]Hi. Hearing about rising covid cases in Thailand. Would this be a good time to visit Thailand? Am planning to visit Pattaya for mongering, 2 weeks from now. Please advise.[/QUOTE]COVID-19 cases are rising again as a new variant begins to circulate in some parts of the world. The World Health Organization said Wednesday the rise in cases is primarily in the eastern Mediterranean, Southeast Asia and western Pacific regions.

Part 6.

It is May, a whole fourteen months after I first met Sandy. This time, I'm intent on finding Sandy again and giving her the big Quattro treatment.

I go to Soi 6. But first, I need to make a pit stop at Red Point. You guys remember my Red Point girl? Yes, I'm going back to the scene of crime. I'm standing outside Red Point and looking at the girls. I do not see her, so I go inside. I show a picture of the girl to the bartender and tell him that I am looking for her. He looks around but can't seem to locate her. I tell him that if she has a customer, then I will come back tomorrow. He says, "No customer". Then, he spots her outside through the window. Where did she come from? I was just outside. She sees me but doesn't come inside. So she doesn't want to talk to me. So I open the slide door and try to leave. Then, she says she will come inside. She is just finishing her makeup. Then, maybe she just did have a customer.

So we are inside having a drink. I get straight to the point because I have to go see Sandy after this. I ask the Red Point girl, "Boom boom, OK?" She doesn't say yes. She doesn't say no. She just smiles. I don't have time for this. OK, no problem if you want to say no to the Falcon. The girl is a little fat now. And the mileage is starting to show on her overall appearance. I give her a small gift that I had prepared from my country. She seems to love it. She doesn't want me to fuck her, but she loves my gift. Take it as a goodbye gift. I will not come to you again. I would have given you the world if you had said yes today. I pay my bill and leave Red Point. As I'm leaving, I spot a new hottie inside, but she is already having a drink with another guy. Maybe another time.

I head towards Sandy's bar. Unfortunately, it is one of them Nightwish bars. You can't really avoid them if you go to Soi 6. I do not spot Sandy sitting at the front of her bar. I show a picture of her to one of the girls. One girl looks around and says, "She already has a customer. " Of course, she does. Sandy is a superstar in Soi 6 now. I kid you not. What to do? Enter or leave? I decide to enter. I sit down and immediately I notice Sandy looking and smiling at me from the opposite side of the aisle. Of course, she remembers me. I gave her a monster fuck last year. Too bad, Sandy is having a drink with another fellow.

To be continued.

I stopped by Hemingway's on Soi Honey for a drink. If you are interested in watching any games, here's the current schedule of games that will be watched at Hemingway's.

$80 for soi 6 all in good deal.

$200 for Hot WS girl. Not good.

Current Location. Trying to hit a few spots. Might have to hop on the Baht Bus or grab a Bolt.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;3006153] Plus the most important reason is that Pattaya is just so boring during the day. [/QUOTE]That's what happens when you travel thousands of miles and take long flights to the other side of the World just to only have sex.

Naughty massage places (AKA Oilies) open up a early at 0700 some Sois with most opening by 1000 no later than 1100.

[B]Soi 6[/B] is going by 1100.

Some Gentleman's Clubs open by 1000.

In my opinion, if you come to Pattaya and you don't have any fun then it is not Pattaya it is your own damn fault.

[B]ROTFLMAO![/B]

I had a lady trying the "coming to Pattaya" scam on me today.

The scam consists of the lady saying she's leaving her village to come to Pattaya, and she needs transport money. Of course, if you send her the money, she'll just spend it, wherever she is.

The lady tried the scam on me, but I told her I was fully booked with ladies. She persisted, even though I told her no can do. She complained about poverty and how she might have to find customers which I told her was a good idea.

I had a lady trying the "coming to Pattaya" scam on me today.

The scam consists of the lady saying she's leaving her village to come to Pattaya, and she needs transport money. Of course, if you send her the money, she'll just spend it, wherever she is.

The lady tried the scam on me, but I told her I was fully booked with ladies. She persisted, even though I told her no can do. She complained about poverty and how she might have to find customers which I told her was a good idea.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;3006402]I had a lady trying the "coming to Pattaya" scam on me today.

The scam consists of the lady saying she's leaving her village to come to Pattaya, and she needs transport money. Of course, if you send her the money, she'll just spend it, wherever she is.

The lady tried the scam on me, but I told her I was fully booked with ladies. She persisted, even though I told her no can do. She complained about poverty and how she might have to find customers which I told her was a good idea.[/QUOTE]I have encountered the same [I]scam[/I]. My thought is that every girl needs to pay her own way to get here. Then she gets paid to suck or take my dick. Then she is still going to have time left over to enjoy Pattaya or work more.

Nope, it is not a good deal to send travel money. All of the prostitutes that see me but live out of town pay their own way to Pattaya to see me. I am but one of their many customers.

[B]ROTFLMAO![/B]

I just got back from my Thailand trip two weeks ago — and no, this wasn't my first rodeo, which helped me plan a "tight schedule". Sightseeing? LOL, I told the temples, "Next time maybe. " This trip was all about cutting the slack and maximizing the "premium human interaction" ROI — if you know what I mean 😉.

(Posting the Pattaya part here and BKK part in BKK forum).

Here's the no-nonsense, but-just-enough. Version of my field report. No travelogue, no philosophical crap — just the essentials:

Walking Street: Too much flash, too much dash, but the vibe was screaming—high price, no good service! So, went to Mac the, had a burger and came back.

Soi 6 : Now THIS was madness. So many girls! I had been to several places, countries in this planet for sex, but never seen this many girls together in a single street! Picked two girls (at two different occasions) price was 1. 5 k. Service was ok-ok.

Bonus tip: Some bars have stunning shemales. If that's not your game, wear your glasses. They're way too beautiful!

Other Streets –.

Found a few freelancers near the beach. Didn't engage, but the prices were like roadside chaat — negotiable and spicy.

Dating Apps –.

Matched with two, met one, paid 1. 5 k.

Other one ghosted me — probably matched with someone who had a better profile pic.

Sabai Dee: Good place for Soppy and Nuru massage. Again (like BKK) asked for the top rates, felt like those ladies were showing too much of -ve vibes, then asked the papasan to help. He suggested one in the below rage (4. 2 or 4. 5 I guess) She was very active, talkative and fun to be with! Enjoyed both Soppy and Nuru with her. Man!! She got skills!!

BJ Bars: It was in by to-do list for a while. They are slightly on a diff side of Pattaya. Went to Club 4 (Bang Lamung) and 007 Club. Not a lot of girls, not model like beautiful girls. They have sitting place and rooms on the top. Cost 1 k to 1. 5 k.

Thailand isn't just a place. It's an emotion 😉.

Budget it right, vibe it smart, and don't forget, wear good cloth, have a neat shave (yes, face and down there) smell nice, talk nice, be polite, be respectful.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;3006402]I had a lady trying the "coming to Pattaya" scam on me today.

The scam consists of the lady saying she's leaving her village to come to Pattaya, and she needs transport money.[/QUOTE]If you can not pay bus, how can you pay room?

Part 7.

I don't know what to do because I came to see Sandy, but she is busy with another fellow now. Then, the mamasan does her thing by ringing her hand-held bell. And all the girls come inside and form a line in the aisle of the bar for me to choose. I'm not too crazy about choosing another girl. But I notice a girl giving me a subtle smile. Perhaps, I have found my new victim. I point towards her, but she acts surprised and wants confirmation by pointing towards her. I nod and she comes to sit next to me. I take a brief glance at Sandy and she looks quite ostensibly jealous. I realize that the girl sitting next to me is more beautiful than Sandy. The girl is prettier, taller, and slimmer. The only downside is that while Sandy has firm natural breasts, this girl has large implants that I do not care for. In order to avoid any misunderstanding, I tell her right away that I have a lady at her bar. She asks who? Then, I show her a picture of Sandy. She looks surprised and says that Sandy is her friend and looks around to spot her. I tell her Sandy is sitting diagonally behind her. The girl turns around and Sandy and her make eye contact and smile at each other.

We need a name for Sandy's friend. So let's call her Mandy. Mandy is more mature and reserved, as opposed to Sandy, who acts childish at times and can be quite demanding. I stay about half an hour talking to Mandy over a few drinks. But Sandy is still not finished with her guy. The guy's not kissing her, but he's groping her everywhere. I don't worry about Sandy. She is tougher than most guys I know. I tell Mandy that I have to go. So I pay my bill and leave. About 30 minutes later, I receive a text from Sandy. She wants me to return to her bar. Baby, I'm already back at my hotel. I cannot go to Soi 6 again now. But I will see you tomorrow.

To be continued.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3006536]If you can not pay bus, how can you pay room?[/QUOTE]Her answer: I go with you, I can pay room.

Went to check out Soi 6. A ton of women out. My cock was grabbed at least 4-5 times. LOL Very aggressive women trying to get me in the bars. There were some very hot girls on Soi 6. I was just passing through on a recon mission to gather Intel for a potential entanglement.

Went to check out Soi 6. A ton of women out. My cock was grabbed at least 4-5 times. LOL Very aggressive women trying to get me in the bars. There were some very hot girls on Soi 6. I was just passing through on a recon mission to gather Intel for a potential entanglement.

Pictures Below.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;3006402]I had a lady trying the "coming to Pattaya" scam on me today.

The scam consists of the lady saying she's leaving her village to come to Pattaya, and she needs transport money. Of course, if you send her the money, she'll just spend it, wherever she is.[/QUOTE]I just got this exact same scam too. It was from a chick I barfined from pinup. She added me on facebook and claimed "she wants to go back to Pattaya so she needs petro money. " It was an easy scam to figure out because she has endless pictures with her boyfriend on her profile, her service was awful, and bargirls do not drive from Isaan to Pattaya, LOL.

She asked if I had a Thai bank account and she stopped asking when she realized I didn't. I do not and will not send money to a woman I am only renting, especially while being outside of Thailand.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3006403]I have encountered the same [I]scam[/I]. My thought is that every girl needs to pay her own way to get here. Then she gets paid to suck or take my dick. Then she is still going to have time left over to enjoy Pattaya or work more.

Nope, it is not a good deal to send travel money. All of the prostitutes that see me but live out of town pay their own way to Pattaya to see me. I am but one of their many customers.
[/QUOTE]
I agree. Im not going to send money or book any flights or pay for any gas, thats a disaster waiting to happen when they blow the money or miss the flight or miss the bus.

They must pay their own way, then once we meet we can have our fun and I will pay (for hourly services only, not for flights or tickets)

[QUOTE=NRandom940;3006157]
In Pattaya, the go-go's are way overpriced. I mentioned that I planned to go back there to get one of the hottest girls for $240 usd. I decided against it after having cheaper fun on Soi 6 for $80 usd. The average go-go girl may be hotter, but not 3 x hotter.

Plus the most important reason is that Pattaya is just so boring during the day. I would purposely stay up late so that I slept until 3 pm when the bars started opening. There is literally nothing to do during the day in my opinion.
[/QUOTE]WS go-gos bars are there to make money off drinks, lady drinks, staff drinks, and tips. The average WS go-go bar girl is not really hot, majority are mediocre with bad bedroom service but 1-2 of them will be absolutely stunning so you may take a risk to barfine them to see what they can do in bed. Some will also meet you after work (The ones in Shark did, but not the ones in Pinup or Palace). In general, most girls are not worth barfining but the drinks, music, eye candy, shows, and atmosphere make it fun.

You said there is nothing to do in Pattaya in the day time and I disagree. The beach, koh larn, go karts, soapy massage, facial massage, beach clubs, gentlemen's clubs, rooftop places, foot massages, malls, restaurants, sanctuary of truth, lounges, big buddha hill, cat cafe, water parks, floating markets, zoo, mary jane places, arcades, movie theaters, bowling, street vendors, bazaars etc. Hell, Royal Garden Plaza has an entire amusement park on the top floor as well as virtual reality games.

The reason I still come to Pattaya is the incredible mix of cheap beach life, cheap entertainment, and cheap women. Bangkok doesn't have that. Colombia, Brazil, DR, Philippines, Spain, Dubai, Phuket etc dont have that. Only Pattaya.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3006776]There were some very hot girls on Soi 6. I was just passing through on a recon mission to gather Intel for a potential entanglement.[/QUOTE]I don't know which kind of girls you consider "hot", but it's not uncommon to be quoted 3 K for ST by some girls now on soi 6. And that's on top of a few drinks and the rooms fee.

I personally know one of these girls, and she's not short on customers either. 3-4ST a day plus one LT is her routine, she even says she's being picky and refusing a lot of guys too.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;3006262]$80 for soi 6 all in good deal.

$200 for Hot WS girl. Not good.[/QUOTE]It's always the same thing.

When a newbie says he got a hot girl on soi 6 for 80 dollars all in, you can bet he got the 1 K baht girl but he spent 80 bucks on her. Still a good deal?

Now tell us you had the 3 K girl at 80 dollars all in and we can agree he did a good job.

Soi 6 is always nowadays a hit or miss thing. My last time in Feb / March it was crowded with Korean guys and us westerners in late 40's got almost no attention at all from girls there. But a few years earlier I had a nice party time there. The girl got too drunk with me so I was really scared with my sandals. I mean I was a bit drunk too but her walking around with her spike shoes and stepping on my feet and toes was very scary too. She asked to go out with me long time I don't remember if I asked for how much but probably not much or we didn't talk about money but I didn't take her. Now I regret it of course. I went upstairs with her before of course. 1000-1500 I don't remember I was drunk too.

Now I'm coming again in June and it might be another story. So you never know. That's part of it. The excitement. Never know what will happen...

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3006892]It's always the same thing.

When a newbie says he got a hot girl on soi 6 for 80 dollars all in, you can bet he got the 1 K baht girl but he spent 80 bucks on her. Still a good deal?

Now tell us you had the 3 K girl at 80 dollars all in and we can agree he did a good job.[/QUOTE]Soi 6 mathin does math.

There's 2 type of girls on soi 6. 17% are worth 1,700.93% are useless as far as attractiveness goes.

Say 2000 is $60 plus room $12 plus your drinks. Ballpark $80. Math does check out.

I get what you are saying about hotties at 1,000. I'm the only one calling out the DUD and Mr E consistently.

With the others I know the quality they are getting but you know. The sub is easy to make fun of.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3006891]I don't know which kind of girls you consider "hot", but it's not uncommon to be quoted 3 K for ST by some girls now on soi 6. And that's on top of a few drinks and the rooms fee.

I personally know one of these girls, and she's not short on customers either. 3-4ST a day plus one LT is her routine, she even says she's being picky and refusing a lot of guys too.[/QUOTE]Can you name the Bar. I'm always up for Research. LOL. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;3006157]Plus the most important reason is that Pattaya is just so boring during the day.

From now on, Bangkok will be my base when I visit Thailand.[/QUOTE]What do you do in Bangkok or any other place that makes it not boring during the day?

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3006892]It's always the same thing.

When a newbie says he got a hot girl on soi 6 for 80 dollars all in, you can bet he got the 1 K baht girl but he spent 80 bucks on her. Still a good deal?

Now tell us you had the 3 K girl at 80 dollars all in and we can agree he did a good job.[/QUOTE]What difference does that make when the girls determine their own prices? There is no universal pricing standard in Pattaya. Anyone can say they are a 5000 girl or even an 8000 girl. It means nothing.

I was on the Soi the other night and no girl I talked to said 3000. They all said 2000, and most had no problem when I said no way 1000. The finest one I talked to said 2000, then when I said 1000, she said 1500. I said no way. Then she explained 500 was for the room and 1000 was for her.

Me and my friends went into one bar where I met a chick who said she manages 7 bars. We have been talking getting to know each other for a few days and I met up with her 2 days ago before work. When I met her there was one girl across the table from us sitting with a dude. She was telling the girl to drink fast so he could buy more drinks.

[QUOTE=Pekkakoo;3006943]Soi 6 is always nowadays a hit or miss thing. My last time in Feb / March it was crowded with Korean guys and us westerners in late 40's got almost no attention at all from girls there. [/QUOTE]What do you mean no attention and hit or miss? Everytime I walk down that soi with friends who are in town, we have to beat those chicks off of us. It is not brain surgery. They are prostitutes. You see a girl you like. You either ask her to drink with you or go upstairs and fuck. That has never changed no matter who it has been crowded with. Hell, all the Korean guys do is walk up and down the soi with their video cameras.

Went by Relax Health Massage on Soi Buakhao to check out the 4 hand massage Happy Hour for 600 Baht. There was some aggressive up selling going on and the girl was pushing some very pricey services. Kept trying saying "You come inside now, we take of you don't worry". "Come on let's go now". She was real pushy and plus it says "No Fucking" on the advertisement. LOL. With everything going on I decided to pass especially at the high cost and "No Fucking".

Has anyone else tried this place? If so, what's the service like?

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;3006959]Can you name the Bar. I'm always up for Research. LOL. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]Do your homework bro. You might find the other ones in the process. Haha haha.

Talking about massage: I have found two establishments where the ladies do not offer any additional services. Both of them are close to Soi 6, of all places.
One of them is almost right across the street from Soi 6 on Second Road, and is called Chan Health Massage.
And the other one is on the same side as Soi 6, approximately 200 meters up North on Second Road, and is called Rinn Spa & Massage.

The prices are a bit higher than at the naughty massage parlors (I believe I paid 400 or 450 Baht for one hour oil massage), but at least you get a decent massage.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3006970]What difference does that make when the girls determine their own prices? There is no universal pricing standard in Pattaya. Anyone can say they are a 5000 girl or even an 8000 girl. It means nothing.
[/QUOTE]Exactly. Me, I'm "handsome man. Fuck for free. " Sadly it also means nothing.

[QUOTE=Allover;2953794]When Japanese and Korean guys are present, the rest of us have problems competing with them too.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MrEnternational;3006972]What do you mean no attention and hit or miss? Every time I walk down that soi with friends who are in town, we have to beat those chicks off of us. It is not brain surgery. [u]They are prostitutes[/u]. You see a girl you like. You either ask her to drink with you or go upstairs and fuck. That has never changed no matter who it has been crowded with. [u]Hell, all the Korean guys do is walk up and down the soi with their video cameras[/u].[/QUOTE]I have not been to [B]Soi 6[/B] in a while my my experiences mirror yours Mr Enternational. I save [B]Soi 6[/B] for when my friends. Some [B]International Tricks[/B] forget who they are. They forget what the objective is.

[B]The Objective is to Nut![/B]

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3006891]I don't know which kind of girls you consider "hot", but it's not uncommon to be quoted 3 K for ST by some girls now on soi 6. And that's on top of a few drinks and the rooms fee. I personally know one of these girls, and she's not short on customers either. 3-4ST a day plus one LT is her routine, she even says she's being picky and refusing a lot of guys too.[/QUOTE]This has not been my experience. I have not found that the girls asking the most money are the hottest. In fact a girl asking me for 3000 THB for Short Time will get a laugh right in her face! To each their own. I stick to my budget. I do not have a wheels up clock ticking when I goto [B]Soi 6[/B]. So the experiences that most have simply are not going to be like mine. They cannot be like mine. I don't care what anyone thinks of it. I stick to my objective.

[B]My Objective is to Nut![/B]

The two 1,000 bahters have shown up for Duty.

People Korean s while do buy Racks for Soi 6 girls. Most girls are going Rackless.

Even the Koreans are complaining soi 6 girls are Ugly.

Soi 6, has certainly changed, today I too venture when friends or family in town like many. But what I noticed last two years there there are maybe hundred more girls than prior year. So many you got to take your time be patient this needing to make several rounds.

As for looks although so many debate about looks but agree " looks 8's in the eyes of the beholder ".

Rarely in general don't practice what the preach I read here they understand but next word complain about the looks or lack of!

As one age, just glad to be able to get it up I neither think about the price nor the looks as much. I've had them in all shape and sizes including age I've paid cheap, overpaid, brought overwhelming drinks, like a box of chocolate never know what I might pick but in the end as noted when I need to nut I just hope for the best. My little head never has complain about looks it has only one eye LOL he is happy to just be able to get it up and out of the boxers from time to time.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3006970]What difference does that make when the girls determine their own prices? There is no universal pricing standard in Pattaya. Anyone can say they are a 5000 girl or even an 8000 girl. It means nothing.[/QUOTE]The OP talked about the hotties in the soi, depending on what kind of girls he defines as a hottie, the point was that most of the hotties are not asking the standard price of the soi (1500 to 2000).

And it's not only the girl's asking price, she asks it and she gets it.

Every girls don't use the same strategy, some will ask a higher rate in order to negociate to her desired rate, some others directly give their rate (which is already higher than other girls) and are not open to negociation.

Chinese guys are not blinking an eye on 3 K plus a few drinks for a ST, or for 4 or 5 for LT on top of the barfine (for 1 shot too).

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3006970]I was on the Soi the other night and no girl I talked to said 3000. They all said 2000, and most had no problem when I said no way 1000. The finest one I talked to said 2000, then when I said 1000, she said 1500. I said no way. Then she explained 500 was for the room and 1000 was for her.[/QUOTE]We don't go for the same girls. For example, all the places I'm going to have a 400 baht room fee.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3006970]She was telling the girl to drink fast so he could buy more drinks.[/QUOTE]Yes the managers in some bars are putting pressure on the girls to drink quickly, sometimes setting a 15 minutes limit on one drink. It theépends on the bar though, I was in Flirt once and the mana was one of these *ssholes. Another time I was in LoveMissile, nobody gave a fuck about that and the girl took her time to finish her drinks.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3006972]Hell, all the Korean guys do is walk up and down the soi with their video cameras.[/QUOTE]You don't know what's going on in the soi if that's what you think.

The guys with the camera are the intermediaries between the girls and the punters.

Some of these punters are in Pattaya, some others were here and will come back.

Camera guy puts all the work for his customers base, finding the hotties for them. Once he established the contact with the girl, he gives the opportunity to his audience to ask every questions they want, and the girls are not shy to answer everything in front of the camera and they also learn to know the punter by his name, because he offers her some drinks in the process too. So the guy does not move his ass from his room and already knows everything he wants to know about the girl. Ultimately if he likes her, camera guy gives him the instagram or Line of the girl and he then can directly talk with her or fix a meeting with her. He gained some time, because by the time they really meet, it's like they already know each others a little bit.

The point is to go directly to the girls he likes without any hassle. They don't have a poverty mindset of saving bucks like the cheap ass subcmdr.

So the Korean punters are already with their desired girl in the bar, or they already barfined their desired girl and moved out of the soi by the time you and your friends are walking in the soi. That's why you think they do nothing else than walking up and down the soi. But Truth is they are all over the place, along with the Chinese.

That's pragmatic points!

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;3007205]
As one age, just glad to be able to get it up I neither think about the price nor the looks as much. My little head never has complain about looks it has only one eye LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3007099]

[B]The Objective is to Nut![/B]
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[QUOTE=Paolo99;3007214]We don't go for the same girls.[/QUOTE]How do you know this? Because when you ask a girl she tells you a higher price?

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3007214]For example, all the places I'm going to have a 400 baht room fee.[/QUOTE]400 could have been the room fee at that place as well for all I know. The girl could have been in the mind to pay 400 for the room and keep 1100 for herself.

The overall theme is that YMMV.

I have a girl that works (worked?) on Soi 6 that comes over to my room after her shift ends at midnight. She is a regular and has been for over a year. Spends 2 to 3 hours with me each visit. All three holes are available to me.

1000 THB + 100 THB for taxi.

Found her on [U]Thai Friendly[/U].

[QUOTE=Allover;2953794]When Japanese and Korean guys are present, the rest of us have problems competing with them too.[/QUOTE]As you can see, I don't have that have that problem.

[B]How you like me now?[/B]

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Went to Ko Lan island. The price is still 30 Baht to take the boat over. It's nice for a day trip away from Pattaya. You can go by yourself or take a girl with you. They like going to the island and hanging out. It's definitely an option if you want to change it up. I always make time for a trip to Ko Lan.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3007313]Went to Ko Lan island.[/QUOTE]My girlfriend is from Pattaya and works on the island. I was saying something the other day about Coral Island. She said it is actually Million Island. A lot of people call it Coral Island because Coral and Million sound similar in Thai. I guess; but Coral Island would make a lot more sense.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3007262]How do you know this? Because when you ask a girl she tells you a higher price?

400 could have been the room fee at that place as well for all I know. The girl could have been in the mind to pay 400 for the room and keep 1100 for herself.[/QUOTE]That's easy to know.

What was the name of that bar?

Anyone can then go and ask what's the room fee in that bar, and I'll tell you if that's one of the bars I go to.

They normally have a fixed price for the room fee. The only place I know would charge one price for dummies and another for people in the know was Sandcastle (300 or 500 when they would think they're dealing with a dumb ass).

Hot girls are Available on WS.

55 baht happy hour at Bluss. Fahrenheit.

Did I say they are Hot.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3007441]They normally have a fixed price for the room fee. The only place I know would charge one price for dummies and another for people in the know was Sandcastle (300 or 500 when they would think they're dealing with a dumb ass).[/QUOTE]The room fee is actually irrelevant in the discussion. What is relevant is the total cost. What is the difference of paying a room fee of 1000 baht and 500 to the girl, room fee of 300 baht and 1200 to the girl, or room fee of 50 baht and 1450 to the girl? Same same same 1500 baht out of a person's pocket, dumbass or not.

Does anyone know what's going on with this well known building in Pattaya? It's been uncompleted / unfinished for years. With the inside of the building being open and exposed to the weather and elements I'm sure that it's effecting the structure negatively after all this time being incomplete.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3007276]I have a girl that works (worked?) on Soi 6 that comes over to my room after her shift ends at midnight. She is a regular and has been for over a year. Spends 2 to 3 hours with me each visit. All three holes are available to me.

1000 THB + 100 THB for taxi.

Found her on [U]Thai Friendly[/U].

As you can see, I don't have that have that problem.

[B]How you like me now?[/B][/QUOTE]You live there or have alot of time there. Thats not true for all of us. We want to come in and use our time effectively. Going to soi 6 and spending time and effort to look for a girl with a reasonable price is not fun and might be a waist of ladydrinks. I hear the ladydrinks on soi 6 are now over 200 baht?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3006970]What difference does that make when the girls determine their own prices? There is no universal pricing standard in Pattaya. Anyone can say they are a 5000 girl or even an 8000 girl. It means nothing.

I was on the Soi the other night and no girl I talked to said 3000. They all said 2000, and most had no problem when I said no way 1000. The finest one I talked to said 2000, then when I said 1000, she said 1500. I said no way. Then she explained 500 was for the room and 1000 was for her.

Me and my friends went into one bar where I met a chick who said she manages 7 bars. We have been talking getting to know each other for a few days and I met up with her 2 days ago before work. When I met her there was one girl across the table from us sitting with a dude. She was telling the girl to drink fast so he could buy more drinks.[/QUOTE]I was there in summer 2024. I hade one for 1000. Another started at 200 but she was just trying, she accepted 1200. Another one that was the hottest wanted 1500. Another cute one did not budge from 2000 even if I offered 1500. If more girls are accepting lower prices then I guess its because of the lack of customers. There were not many customers in 2024 either. But I think they still had the mindset that 2000 baht is ok and no problem. I mean chinese and koreans pay and a drink tower as well right? Should not be a problem for guys that paid five times more for flight.

That the new standard price on soi 6 for hotties would be 1000 baht with some negotiation is something I would like to see more evidence for before I belive it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3007399]My girlfriend is from Pattaya and works on the island. I was saying something the other day about Coral Island. She said it is actually Million Island. A lot of people call it Coral Island because Coral and Million sound similar in Thai. I guess; but Coral Island would make a lot more sense.[/QUOTE]I'm going to have to check that place out. The beaches look nice on the island. Just off the coast of Phuket.

Thought I put this pics up here so people can see what is being paid at the local market.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;3007525]You live there or have alot of time there. Thats not true for all of us. We want to come in and use our time effectively. Going to soi 6 and spending time and effort to look for a girl with a reasonable price is not fun and might be a waist of ladydrinks. I hear the ladydrinks on soi 6 are now over 200 baht?[/QUOTE]This is an actual experience and it only has happened once. Although I get plenty of offers from [I]bar girls[/I] on [U]Thai Friendly[/U]. But mostly they asking me to come to their bar. The girl I posted about came to me first meeting without me going into the bar.

I don't know how more efficiently you need other than [U]Thai Friendly[/U]. Personally I would not want to come on vacation and spend my entire time in my hotel room swiping on my phone. It is true that I have been posted up here for a bit. But the reason I get the deals I do is because I stay focused on the deal and not the girl. My personal experiences have not been that girls I find most attractive are asking the most for Short Time.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;3007564]Thought I put this pics up here so people can see what is being paid at the local market.[/QUOTE][B]Is this what you pay?[/B] Please point me to the reports you have filed with these experiences.

No one monger dictates prices. If you want lower prices come during low season. Deal with the rain. Or pay what you need to get what you want. Or goto any other the other places on this earth where you can hire a prostitute for less than you can in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;3007564]Thought I put this pics up here so people can see what is being paid at the local market.[/QUOTE]I'm only seeing what is being advertised for the local market.

Have you met and fucked these girls? Was the service decent and have they looked halve as good as in the pictures? Have you ever heard about Photoshop?

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;3007564]Thought I put this pics up here so people can see what is being paid at the local market.[/QUOTE]Any Thai man in Pattaya who has to pay money to get laid has a problem.

Hi all,

On my way back to LOS and to Pattaya. Last trip was around 3 years ago.

Browsing through the forum to get how things are and if anything has changed.

-Any new areas worth exploring vs the usual Soi Phukhao and Tree Town (I hated TT last time) for bars?

-Given it's low season, what kind of prices should I expect to pay? General prices of ST / LT, LDs and barfines would be good to know if there's any change.

-Which nightclubs are the best currently? Ibar / Insomnia, Lucifer or The Republic?

Any other recommendations of how best to go on the hunt would be welcome. This place can change in a small amount of time.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3007518]Does anyone know what's going on with this well known building in Pattaya? It's been uncompleted / unfinished for years. With the inside of the building being open and exposed to the weather and elements I'm sure that it's effecting the structure negatively after all this time being incomplete.[/QUOTE]Nothing, it is still standing as is, laced from top to bottom with corruption including the mayor who approved it, when he left just as covid hit his brother was picked no election by the coup leader to run the city as Mayor, he got rich at the same time his brother because a MP, during that period the brother delayed the investigation in which charges was level at the other brother for accepting brides to allow it to be built. A warrant was issue for his arrest, prior he was warned so off he went like Thaksin in hiding. The case was delayed and delayed until the charges were reverse, lack of evidences LOL.

Meantime the project is still Mar. In legal, from time to time they claim it is going to be torn down but yet it still stands, the last the improvement money spent on Bali Hai, to make a world class place so they could hold some world event reported the results the place looks and maintain like a shit hole LOL!

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3007518]Does anyone know what's going on with this well known building in Pattaya? It's been uncompleted / unfinished for years.[/QUOTE]It was being built illegally. 2008 one mayor approved it (of course with the assistance of money). They start building it and people start complaing. By that time the first mayor is gone. City council says stop the presses. Company still selling condos. Israeli company that was building it went bankrupt. (Exactly a reason not to buy shit around here before it is built.) Last year when it is time to prosecute the mayor that approved it, miraculously the statute of limitations had passed. Nobody is going to pay to tear that shit down. This is Thailand. A bunch of people are out of a bunch of money, but a least the first mayor is fat and happy and got away clean.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;3007525]You live there or have alot of time there. Thats not true for all of us. We want to come in and use our time effectively. Going to soi 6 and spending time and effort to look for a girl with a reasonable price is not fun and might be a waist of ladydrinks. I hear the ladydrinks on soi 6 are now over 200 baht?[/QUOTE]Lady drinks are 150 baht. What time and effort? Soi 6 is a horehouse. It takes 2 minutes to find a chick. Who said you have to buy drinks? Walk down the soi, see a chick you like, say let's go boom boom 1000. If she says no then you repeat the process. How are you doing it anywhere else that is supposed to be saving you so much more time?

Many people see it as fun when buying lady drinks. Sit there having fun with the girl feeling on her ass and shit. Some people even kiss them in the mouth. You act like you have to stay 10 feet apart after buying the lady drink. I am not a lady drink guy, but sheesh, don't act like buying 1 lady drink is a total waste of time and money when it really is not. Maybe you need to learn how to make your own fun.

Do you also call it not fun trying to get the cheapest price for souvenirs? The souvenir game is the same as the hooker game around here. Go to Beach Road and all the places selling souvenirs will tell you 80-100 baht for a mirror and will not come down on the price. You can go to the Bazaar on Second Road and get the same damn mirror for 50 baht. Yet I 100% guarantee you that mfs on ISG will tell you that something is wrong with your mirror because there is no way someone will sell you a nice mirror for 50 baht when even online they are 69 baht. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;3007604]the last the improvement money spent on Bali Hai, to make a world class place so they could hold some world event reported the results the place looks and maintain like a shit hole LOL![/QUOTE]Damn that was a long time ago. March 2019. There was some kind of beach football thing there. I was dating a chick from Bangkok who was here as an interpreter for the event. Bali Hai was nice after those renovations. Now they use it as a parking lot.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3007513]The room fee is actually irrelevant in the discussion. What is relevant is the total cost. What is the difference of paying a room fee of 1000 baht and 500 to the girl, room fee of 300 baht and 1200 to the girl, or room fee of 50 baht and 1450 to the girl? Same same same 1500 baht out of a person's pocket, dumbass or not.[/QUOTE]It is relevant when I say we are not going for the same girls and you ask me how do I know.

If we're not talking about the same bar, we can't be talking about the same girls either.

Treetown. McDonald's. Soi Boo Cow.

We all see that massage place next to Bangkok Bank staffed by young unS.

Anyone ever see a Hottie there. All is see are 3's- 4. 5's.

Suddenly I cannot reply to messages or send new messages anymore in TF. Instead I get the question if I want to verify my photos.
Anyone else who has this problem too?

[QUOTE=Mogwai;3007665]Suddenly I cannot reply to messages or send new messages anymore in TF. Instead I get the question if I want to verify my photos.
Anyone else who has this problem too?[/QUOTE]I had. What I did was verify my picture. I'm not sure there's any other way.

[QUOTE=XXL;3007668]I had. What I did was verify my picture. I'm not sure there's any other way.[/QUOTE]OK, I've sent a complaint to TF. I wonder what their answer will be, because as far as I know it's not compulsory to verify your pictures.
It's my last day here and I have enough Line contacts, so it's not such a big deal if I cannot use TF anymore.

Just got the answer from TF: for now they will skip the verification process for my account.
Looks like they want to make this mandatory.

Don't bee this guy.

Baht Bus Travels.

Guy says to girl I spent 80,000 baht you but you give guy who spent less more attention all the while telling her how she should do her Job. Noi wasn't Happy.

In closing he said tomorrow he change girl. Hahaha.

80,000. That s a Lot on a Bargirl who not Into you.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3007611]Lady drinks are 150 baht.[/QUOTE]I've been paying 180, but some places are already 200 (like in the VIP bar for example).

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3007628]It is relevant when I say we are not going for the same girls and you ask me how do I know.

If we're not talking about the same bar, we can't be talking about the same girls either.[/QUOTE]What is it Bar Hotel California? You talk as if the chicks are relegated to the bar on a life sentence. They can't come out, but people can come in?

You can meet people anywhere they roam. It does not have to be in the place they work. It can be in the disco. It can be at the food cart. It can be at 7 11. It can be crossing the street at the same time.

Just because we do not go to the same bars does not mean we can not meet the same people. The bar is not the end all be all for meeting someone who works there. One thing about me is that I do not have to wait to be inside of a bar to chat up a chick that I like. That is exactly why I do not give a fuck about bars and would not give a shit if they all closed down tomorrow. Everything was just great for me in covid when all the bars were closed. I met chicks just the same.

Took a stroll down Beach Road. A nice mix of girls out but you can tell that the recent Police Operations have impacted the numbers. Some of the girls have moved to the back streets and other Soi's.

FL's can be found in and around Beach Road. I would rate the girls at between 5-8. A good "8" on the scale is sufficient for 1 K Baht, which is the going rate.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3007593]Looks like you have some more reading and research to do.[/QUOTE]Looks like some people have mistaken a forum on which we discuss such information with an anecdote exchange to avoid talking about anything relevant.

then as usual someone gets snarky with someone who tries to bring things back on topic.

So to restate the question:

-Any new areas worth exploring vs the usual Soi Phukhao and Tree Town (I hated TT last time) for bars?

-Given it's low season, what kind of prices should I expect to pay? General prices of ST / LT, LDs and barfines would be good to know if there's any change.

-Which nightclubs are the best currently? Ibar / Insomnia, Lucifer or The Republic?

Any other recommendations of how best to go on the hunt would be welcome. This place can change in a small amount of time.

[QUOTE=Lanthano;3007754]-Any new areas worth exploring vs the usual Soi Phukhao and Tree Town (I hated TT last time) for bars?[/QUOTE]Soy Honey, Patranamk, Jomtien, Soi Boomerang, Soi Bang Koch, The Darkside.

[QUOTE=Lanthano;3007754]-Given it's low season, what kind of prices should I expect to pay? General prices of ST / LT, LDs and barfines would be good to know if there's any change.[/QUOTE]Depends upon the venue where you are procuring your prostitute.

[QUOTE=Lanthano;3007754]-Which nightclubs are the best currently? Ibar / Insomnia, Lucifer or The Republic?[/QUOTE]Depends upon the type of music that you like.

[QUOTE=Lanthano;3007754]Any other recommendations of how best to go on the hunt would be welcome. This place can change in a small amount of time.[/QUOTE]Depends upon what you like. Get boots on the ground and explore. Your questions are too wide ranging for specific answers to be given. Plus they are all covered if you actually read the Thailand Threads.

[U]Options[/U]

Top Tier Agogos on Walking Street.

Second Tier Agogos.

Gentlemans Clubs.

Bear Bars.

Naughty Massage places.

Venues where Blow Jobs are priced as a separate service.

[B]Beach Road[/B]

Soapie Massage Places.

Nuru massage places.

[U]Thai Friendly[/U]

Detailed information are in the threads if you actually read them.

[B]No way around putting work in![/B]

[QUOTE=Lanthano;3007754]Looks like some people have mistaken a forum on which we discuss such information with an anecdote exchange to avoid talking about anything relevant.

then as usual someone gets snarky with someone who tries to bring things back on topic.

So to restate the question:

-Any new areas worth exploring vs the usual Soi Phukhao and Tree Town (I hated TT last time) for bars?

-Given it's low season, what kind of prices should I expect to pay? General prices of ST / LT, LDs and barfines would be good to know if there's any change.

-Which nightclubs are the best currently? Ibar / Insomnia, Lucifer or The Republic?

Any other recommendations of how best to go on the hunt would be welcome. This place can change in a small amount of time.[/QUOTE]If only there were a section about Pattaya with reports that answered your questions.

There is a place called "Jomtien" that may be interesting.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3007730]What is it Bar Hotel California? You talk as if the chicks are relegated to the bar on a life sentence. They can't come out, but people can come in?

You can meet people anywhere they roam. It does not have to be in the place they work. It can be in the disco. It can be at the food cart. It can be at 7 11. It can be crossing the street at the same time.

Just because we do not go to the same bars does not mean we can not meet the same people. The bar is not the end all be all for meeting someone who works there. One thing about me is that I do not have to wait to be inside of a bar to chat up a chick that I like. That is exactly why I do not give a fuck about bars and would not give a shit if they all closed down tomorrow. Everything was just great for me in covid when all the bars were closed. I met chicks just the same.[/QUOTE]It is not as easy as you make it out to be. Even the girls in the bars do not want to go with non-asians if they are cute or young. I saw a guy from Germany offer a girl 30,000 and she still refused him. Thailand is currently broken plain and simple. During the scamdemic they were literally starving so would go with you for a chance at food and some air-conditioning. Now the have an organized initiative in South East Asia to only offer the Caucasion tourists the bottom of the barrel. It is disturbing having disgusting old, fat women cat call you like they have a shot! A girl at massage place with a hairlip quoted me 5,000 baht for full service in house! Bangkok is offering up deformed, pregnant, deaf, and mentally handicapped women to foreigners and most now are condom crazy! Only the blowjob bars like Lolitas and Kasalong for 800 baht are places I can relax and go to knowing I will probably get good service but the quality of women is maybe one doable girl in the day and the rest hideous hags.

If you trust me, and you should after you have seen my abilities, and after I showed you the place in Bogota for all the women you want in 120 minutes for just $10. Avoid Thailand and spread the word. The country I am in now is significantly better and short time in a hotel is $15. PM me if you want details.

Trying to MFGA. Make the Forum Great Again!

[QUOTE=Lanthano;3007592]

-Which nightclubs are the best currently? Ibar / Insomnia, Lucifer or The Republic?
.[/QUOTE]

Best is fairly relative concept, depends what you like and looking for. Anyway my observations.

- Lucifer I wonder how it makes the numbers work as it usually is very quiet. Weekends a bit busier but still barely worth a visit in my experience.

- What comes to Ibar, I think it has become what Red Car used to be pre-covid, but I esp 7-10 years ago. More mature providers and actually still some same faces, mixed with some younger. Insomnia shifted towards that direction also though maybe a bit less than downstairs, due to music and environment I guess.

- Younger / 'hotter' seem to congregate more to myst and republic, tend to be overcrowded esp myst.

-808 skewed towards thicker ones, guess due to taste of average male patrons there

Looks like Thai Friendly is getting more strict. My head line was "In Pattaya now, looking for ST". This morning I went to Bangkok, and when I arrived there I changed the head line to "In Bangkok now, looking for freelancer". About 5 minutes later I got attached message. Obviously I was not offering paid services, but apparently the 'ST' in my head line was the reason I got this message.

Another 5 minutes later I found out that my new head line for Bangkok had been removed. So I changed it to "In Bangkok now, looking for student".

Then I got a temporary ban, but only for a very short time (maybe 10 or 15 minutes or so). When the ban was over, I asked the moderator if I'm not even allowed to look for students. So far he hasn't answered me yet.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3007782]What did you find out so far from doing research and reading?

*Here's a side note* ISG is not the only place to obtain information. As a matter of fact, there is more information to obtain outside of the ISG website than here and if this website is your only source of information then you're doing it all wrong.[/QUOTE]This is the second time I have come here, and I find myself interrupting someone's irrelevant multi-page discussion about baht buses, to bring the topic back to what people actually care about, and then to get the usual RTFF. You know what?

Aside from the fact that these are relevant questions for this forum, maybe if the threads weren't clogged with peripheral topics, it might be easier to access this info without wading through nonsense.

Apparently this reaction is so entrenched on here by some, that it's become acceptable? I dunno.

For my own fair city, I provide information if I know. (That's the word 'guide' in internationalsexguide.).

I've been to our fair sin city at least 4 times, and it's good to get an update whether much has changed. I didn't ask for a guide for every single venue.

Thank you to everyone that answered.

And the prices, are people still getting long time for 2000 baht around?

But honestly, from what I can see on TF, I may be overthinking this. Pattaya still has the same kernal. Can't wait for next week.

[QUOTE=Lanthano;3007867]
....

And the prices, are people still getting long time for 2000 baht around?

...

[/QUOTE]I don't think 2000 baht is anywhere realistic these days for long time. In fact 2000 has become the normal short time asking price.

I myself pay (ok, overpay) my regular girl 4000 for short time. We have had a barebacking arrangement for a couple of years now and we never gave each other any STD, which is also what I pay a premium for. But it goes to show girls' level of expectation at present. Before covid I was paying this girl 1000 at Soi 6 + 400 for the room. During covid I paid her 1500 to meet at my condo.

P.S. You should clear some space in your mailbox if you want PMs to reach you.

[QUOTE=Lanthano;3007867]
But honestly, from what I can see on TF, I may be overthinking this. Pattaya still has the same kernal. Can't wait for next week.[/QUOTE]Yes, you may be overthinking this. In the last two weeks I have found several lovely young ladies in TF. The usual price was 1500 baht for a ST with BBBJ and BBFSCIP.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;3007818]It is not as easy as you make it out to be. Even the girls in the bars do not want to go with non-asians if they are cute or young. I saw a guy from Germany offer a girl 30,000 and she still refused him.......[/QUOTE]Even if he was a smelly Shrek I'd find that hard to believe. 30,000 baht?!

[QUOTE=Lanthano;3007867]
Aside from the fact that these are relevant questions for this forum, maybe if the threads weren't clogged with peripheral topics, it might be easier to access this info without wading through nonsense.

[/QUOTE]Yes, this is a real problem. My solution was to put the worst few offenders on my ignore list. With their posts invisible, it is much easier to find the interesting information that was posted by others. I took that step when I realized that these nonsense posters provide near zero valuable information buried within their prolonged posts.

[QUOTE=XXL;3007872]I don't think 2000 baht is anywhere realistic these days for long time. In fact 2000 has become the normal short time asking price.
[/QUOTE]I've lived here over 10 years and yet to pay more than 2000 for LT (I mostly do LT) and would not call myself sex starved, nor do I go with overweight ones. Certainly asking prices have gone up and average transaction prices too, and sure not everyone go for 2 k and of course there are a lot of 'hot' ones (who may well be starfishes in room) who would not look back if you say 2 k LT.

Sure being resident and having had time to find matching regulars helps keeping prices fair, but if you are normal looking fellow I doubt you need to spend a single night alone if you willing to part with your 2 k.

[QUOTE=Knobrm;3007887]I've lived here over 10 years and yet to pay more than 2000 for LT (I mostly do LT) and would not call myself sex starved, nor do I go with overweight ones. Certainly asking prices have gone up and average transaction prices too, and sure not everyone go for 2 k and of course there are a lot of 'hot' ones (who may well be starfishes in room) who would not look back if you say 2 k LT.

Sure being resident and having had time to find matching regulars helps keeping prices fair, but if you are normal looking fellow I doubt you need to spend a single night alone if you willing to part with your 2 k.[/QUOTE]The problem with guys that talking about and accepting the higher rates is because that's what they are settling for. I never ask a girl "How much? That's a rookie mistake that even some so called veterans make. I always approach a girl with my rate first and negotiate from there. If you ask the girl "How much?" then of course she is going to shoot high. It's a no brainer and some guys don't get that. If you make your offer first your chances are better. If you don't like a counteroffer then move on. A lot of guys don't hunt. They are obviously too lazy for that. They don't want to put in the work or effort and it doesn't take a long time either. In Pattaya I have never paid over 1. 5 K for ST /2. 5 K LT the highest and the lowest was 700 for ST.

Use mltiple venue and avenues to achieve what you want and it will be fruitful. Guys that just sit up in one bar all night will be limited to only what is offered there and then come on this website and tell everyone that the going to rate in Pattaya is what they found at that one bar which is a total misperception and giving misleading information about Pattaya as a whole. In other words they are spreading "FAKE NEWS"!

[QUOTE=Mogwai;3007665]Suddenly I cannot reply to messages or send new messages anymore in TF. Instead I get the question if I want to verify my photos.
Anyone else who has this problem too?[/QUOTE]I am premium member and have no such problem. My photos have never been verified. Moments ago I sent 2 TF messages, both were successful. One used the mobile app and the other used the full website (laptop). One possible twist is that I'm currently located in USA and not using VPN.

[QUOTE=XXL;3007872]I don't think 2000 baht is anywhere realistic these days for long time. In fact 2000 has become the normal short time asking price.

I myself pay (ok, overpay) my regular girl 4000 for short time. We have had a barebacking arrangement for a couple of years now and we never gave each other any STD, which is also what I pay a premium for. But it goes to show girls' level of expectation at present. Before covid I was paying this girl 1000 at Soi 6 + 400 for the room. During covid I paid her 1500 to meet at my condo.

P.S. You should clear some space in your mailbox if you want PMs to reach you.[/QUOTE]Only the normal price for guys that can't negotiate and think they are cool if they overpay or look better. I think its pure idiocy. Its guys like you that drive up prices.

And for no reason at all. I have never seen any girl wanting 4 k for short time on all of those thaigroups and pages I have looked at.

It should not be a problem to get ST from 1200-1500 with anything that looks good on TF. I have barebacked long time for 2 k baht.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3007894]I am premium member and have no such problem. My photos have never been verified. Moments ago I sent 2 TF messages, both were successful. One used the mobile app and the other used the full website (laptop). One possible twist is that I'm currently located in USA and not using VPN.[/QUOTE]I'm a premium member as well, and never had this problem either. Not until yesterday anyway. And I'm not using a VPN.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3007893]I never ask a girl "How much? That's a rookie mistake that even some so called veterans make. I always approach a girl with my rate first and negotiate from there. If you ask the girl "How much?" then of course she is going to shoot high. It's a no brainer and some guys don't get that. If you make your offer first your chances are better. [/QUOTE]What the hell? What you are talking about doing is the rookie mistake. Who would go up to the owner of a car or house and just make an offer without knowing how much they were looking to get? You walk up offering them 2000 baht off the bat when they may have been willing to take 1000 baht if you had bothered to ask. In 90% of the cases dealing with you, it is their lucky day. You do all the shooting high for them.

Case in point. I emailed dive shops in the Caribbean about taking the self-reliant course and they responded in the neighborhood of $500. This morning I went to a dive shop in Pattaya and asked about the course. From your perspective I should have walked in and offered $400 for the course. But no. I walked in and asked how much for the course. I was told 1500 baht, which is $45 for 2 days with everything included.

Even when offering, there is a saying that goes if you are not embarrassed by your offer, then you are offering too much.

Many times here it has been said that it is bullshit when a chick says she has to bring the key to a friend. I have always said it is true and actually a thing. At my building the person without a key thing happened so often that the owner posted a sign on both sides of the door saying 20 baht if someone needs the door opened for them. He has even gone as far as to put one of those card readers in the elevator to remind Thai people not to leave their key. (You can always take the stairs without the card reader though and wait by the door for someone coming in or going out to let you out.).

In true Thai fashion, they would rather repeatedly pay a 20 baht fine for not having a key than to get a key made for 30 baht. Somehow my girlfriend has been getting into the building and showing up at my door. The first time I thought maybe she walked in behind someone. But I went outside yesterday and saw that instead of copying the damn thing someone stores their keycard on top of the change machine next to the door so they can share it.

Another thing we know is that Thais would rather risk a 1000 baht fine than to buy a 200 baht helmet to put on their heads. If guys here report paying all this money and giving all these tips to people, then you would at least expect them to take care of mickey mouse shit like a key or helmet so it will not cost them exorbitantly more in the future, but TIT.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;3007912]Only the normal price for guys that can't negotiate and think they are cool if they overpay or look better. I think its pure idiocy. Its guys like you that drive up prices.

And for no reason at all. I have never seen any girl wanting 4 k for short time on all of those thaigroups and pages I have looked at.[/QUOTE]That's because you're looking only at the low scale of what Pattaya has to offer.

You're focused only on the price per bucks, like the subcmdr motherfuck so you can't understand other people's mindset and you call them idiot.

You've got to understand that some girls are popular and are racking up loads of dudes queing to get their hands on these kind of chicks.

If you pay attention to the attractiveness of the chicks, eventually you'll have no other choice than giving her an interresting enough offer for her, because these kind of girls have become kind of scarce in Pattaya.

If that chick is queing guys willing to give her 3 or 4 K for ST, why the fuck would she want to accept your lowball 1,5 K offer?

The problem right now is based on offer and demand more than anything else, there are too few attractive girls for the amount of punters visiting Pattaya and any guy coming in Pattaya can afford to pay 3 or 4 K for ST at least once (except subcmdr it seems).

No Great soi 6 shenanigans to report today.

[QUOTE=Knobrm;3007887]... and sure not everyone go for 2 k and of course there are a lot of 'hot' ones (who may well be starfishes in room) who would not look back if you say 2 k LT....
[/QUOTE]Indeed 'hot' ones, as you say, unwittingly putting your finger on the real issue. And when not only 'hot' but 'young' to boot, it's even worse. As to their possibly being starfishes, doesn't it sound like sour grapes?

With much idle time on my hand, I often sit surfing in my hotel lobby, at the same time spying on what girls guests have in tow. It's a mostly non-Asian hotel. I'm not impressed, to say the least. I don't know what those guests paid but I'm sure you can't accuse them of driving up prices.

[QUOTE=Knobrm;3007887]...
... but if you are normal looking fellow I doubt you need to spend a single night alone if you willing to part with your 2 k.[/QUOTE]

I was answering fellow member Lanthano's query and since he and I met some years ago he'll be the judge of how normal looking I am. But again, not needing to spend the night alone is not very relevant. As mentioned above, the real question is: 'hot' and 'young'?

[QUOTE=Mogwai;3007865]Looks like Thai Friendly is getting more strict. My head line was "In Pattaya now, looking for ST". This morning I went to Bangkok, and when I arrived there I changed the head line to "In Bangkok now, looking for freelancer". About 5 minutes later I got attached message. Obviously I was not offering paid services, but apparently the 'ST' in my head line was the reason I got this message.[/QUOTE]Yes, the same happened to me after I returned from Thailand. The site is on a blitz to remove any indications of p4 p. Girls are getting repeatedly banned each time that they open a new account so they must be doing checks.

[QUOTE=XXL;3007968]Indeed 'hot' ones, as you say, unwittingly putting your finger on the real issue. And when not only 'hot' but 'young' to boot, it's even worse. As to their possibly being starfishes, doesn't it sound like sour grapes?

With much idle time on my hand, I often sit surfing in my hotel lobby, at the same time spying on what girls guests have in tow. It's a mostly non-Asian hotel. I'm not impressed, to say the least. I don't know what those guests paid but I'm sure you can't accuse them of driving up prices.



I was answering fellow member Lanthano's query and since he and I met some years ago he'll be the judge of how normal looking I am. But again, not needing to spend the night alone is not very relevant. As mentioned above, the real question is: 'hot' and 'young'?[/QUOTE]Soi Buk How McDonalds am.

Take a look at the fellas and their Long Times. One guy had 2 Uglies. LOL. Hahaha.

It's one Ugly after another. I would be Surprised if they are Paying 500. I mean, 500 is about right.

[QUOTE=XXL;3007968]
I was answering fellow member Lanthano's query and since he and I met some years ago he'll be the judge of how normal looking I am. But again, not needing to spend the night alone is not very relevant.[/QUOTE]Actually also had the OP and his LT question in mind when answering, not you, sorry for not being clear.

[QUOTE=Downandup;3007970]The site is on a blitz to remove any indications of p4 p. Girls are getting repeatedly banned[/QUOTE]I don't use TF but isn't TF 99% P4P and ALL its paid customers on there looking for P4P? Why would the site be trying to kill all its business? Was there a recent crackdown on dating sites?

Mogwai, I'd respond back to TF and say ST means "Sweet Thai" or "Som Tum".

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;3007997]I don't use TF but isn't TF 99% P4P and ALL its paid customers on there looking for P4P? Why would the site be trying to kill all its business? Was there a recent crackdown on dating sites?

Mogwai, I'd respond back to TF and say ST means "Sweet Thai" or "Som Tum".[/QUOTE]I got a paid subsciption this month and used it for about a week so far.

In Pattaya, basically all of them are freelancers.

Outside of Thailand it's a bit mixed.

I didn't say anything about p4 p on my profile and that was fine. But in terms of texting, talking about all sorts of things, negotiating. I have not had any trouble.


(YAY, 400 posts)

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3007935]What you are talking about doing is the rookie mistake. Who would go up to the owner of a car or house and just make an offer without knowing how much they were looking to get? You walk up offering them 2000 baht off the bat when they may have been willing to take 1000 baht if you had bothered to ask. In 90% of the cases dealing with you, it is their lucky day. You do all the shooting high for them.[/QUOTE]My offer usually starts out at 1 K-1.5 K Baht. A lot of girls will start of at 2 K-3 K if you ask them but on Beach Road most of them start at 1 K for ST. On TF the rates are similar to the Beach Road offers and most pics are heavily filtered. I'm cool with negotiating and it usually works in my favor.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3007960]I completely disagree with your negotiating strategy. I always ask: [I]How much?[/I].

Off of Thai Friendly I have NEVER paid more than 2000 K. The lowest I have ever paid is 500 THB for Short Time. She was an outlier. It has only happened one. I have also gotten Short Time for 800 THB. If a girl asks for more than her market rate then I simply ignore her. I don't negotiate with a girl that has [I]golden pussy syndrome[/I]. This is low season so if a girl off of [U]Thai Friendly[/u] asks me for 2000, I will counter with 1500 and 90% of them take it.[/QUOTE][B]The problem is that most do not understand how the pussy market works.[/B]

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3008025]My offer usually starts out at 1 K-1.5 K Baht. A lot of girls will start off at 2 K-3 K if you ask them but on Beach Road most of them start at 1 K for ST. On TF the rates are similar to the Beach Road offers and most pics are heavily filtered. I'm cool with negotiating and it usually works in my favor.[/QUOTE]Not my experience. I have not found the photos of the girls I deal with on [U]Thai Friendly[/U] to be heavily filtered. On [B]Beach Road[/B] I've spoke with many girls working there. They have asked me 1000 - 2000 THB for Short Time.

Worried about bait and switch. Easy problem to avoid:

1. Video Call.

2. Meet in public place close to you room before.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3007950]That's because you're looking only at the low scale of what Pattaya has to offer. You're focused only on the price per bucks, [b]like the subcmdr motherfuck[/b] so you can't understand other people's mindset and you call them idiot.[/QUOTE]It appears from many posts in this thread not everyone agrees with you. Some of us are interested in value for our money and not just throwing it away. I've stated before I will not hesitate to spend 4000 THB on dinner out with my ATF. Drinks on a rooftop bar overlooking the ocean: 2000 THB. 3000 - 4500 THB for dinner just for myself in a Michelin Stared restaurant (because I deserve it).

[B]Give a prostitute 3000 - 4000 Short Time for her to give me access to her mouth, pussy and ass? No thank you![/B]

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3007950]The problem right now is based on offer and demand more than anything else, there are too few attractive girls for the amount of punters visiting Pattaya and any guy coming in Pattaya can afford to pay 3 or 4 K for ST at least once [b](except subcmdr it seems)[/b].[/QUOTE]No problem at all for me here in Pattaya. It is low season so your complains fall on deaf ears. Girls are clamoring for customers.

It is a known fact that most individuals agree that Bangkok not only has less tourists, it has prettier girls. Of course they are more expensive. As someone who goes to Jakarta as opposed to Bali to hire prostitutes also I am surprised that you don't understand that.

I've never been critical of what anyone wants to pay for pussy or how they spend their money.

[B]If you want to spend 2x - 5x times the amount of money to get your nut[/B], I have not problem with that. If you like it then I love it.

[B]ROTFLMAO![/B]

What I have read the consensus is that the most attractive girls are in the Top Tier Agogos on Walking Street. I've never read that anyone says the most attractive girls are on [B]Soi 6[/B].

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3007950]That's because you're looking only at the low scale of what Pattaya has to offer.

You're focused only on the price per bucks, like the subcmdr motherfuck so you can't understand other people's mindset and you call them idiot.

You've got to understand that some girls are popular and are racking up loads of dudes queing to get their hands on these kind of chicks.

If you pay attention to the attractiveness of the chicks, eventually you'll have no other choice than giving her an interresting enough offer for her, because these kind of girls have become kind of scarce in Pattaya.

If that chick is queing guys willing to give her 3 or 4 K for ST, why the fuck would she want to accept your lowball 1,5 K offer?

The problem right now is based on offer and demand more than anything else, there are too few attractive girls for the amount of punters visiting Pattaya and any guy coming in Pattaya can afford to pay 3 or 4 K for ST at least once (except subcmdr it seems).[/QUOTE]The problem with you know who and the other guy is they aren't able to distinguish between Ugly and Pretty.

Beauty is in the eye of beholder is Khrap. None of SUBs girl s are being hired to do Toothpaste commercial s.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;3007997]I don't use TF but isn't TF 99% P4P and ALL its paid customers on there looking for P4P? Why would the site be trying to kill all its business? Was there a recent crackdown on dating sites?[/QUOTE]I think in Pattaya it's close to 99% and in Bangkok maybe 50-60% (just a wild guess), but in the rest of Thailand much less.
But yeah, it doesn't seem to make sense. Maybe they got scared when that fiwfans site was closed.
At the same time there are still loads of profiles of girls with pictures that scream 'prostitute'. But as long as they don't add any text like 'ST' or 'FL' or 'freelancer' or 'not for free', this is apparently OK.
Although there are still girls that have these kind of texts, so I assume TF is randomly checking profiles.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;3007997] Mogwai, I'd respond back to TF and say ST means "Sweet Thai" or "Som Tum".[/QUOTE]Do you think they will fall for that, LOL.

[QUOTE=Lanthano;3008004]
I didn't say anything about p4 p on my profile and that was fine. But in terms of texting, talking about all sorts of things, negotiating. I have not had any trouble.[/QUOTE]I think as long as you do not refer to anything related to P4 P in your profile text, you should indeed be fine. I hope anyway that TF cannot (or at least does not) read the messages that their members send each other.

If people make any references to P4 P in their profile text, they risk that they will be put under moderation. Their profile ID will then be changed to 'Moderated' followed by a number.

Though I don't arrive until next week, I had some fun laying the groundwork on TF by getting a month subscription, which has already been worth it.

Plenty of girls on there. Apart from a few that blatantly tried to scam with prices that I think are way out of the range, plenty of other prices I could accept from girls on there of all sorts of ages.

Some girls, particularly young ones aren't very good at english, so it forced me to practice typing thai. (I have a working knowledge of speaking, but writing / typing is a different ballgame. Got to learn some new fixed terms like raya san / raya nan, and thungyang).

My personal preference in Pattaya is to go out, and see what's in the bars and nightclubs. However, in the past TF and Tinder have been some good backup options (the hotel takeout option, good to supplement a failed night out potentially).

In theory, based on what I see here, it's still perfectly possible to organise your partner on here. I feel however that I would be missing apart of the Pattaya experience if I did.

Still can't wait.


@Mongwai: Good point on the moderated part. I wasn't sure why that was popping up but now I know.

Again, as you pointed out, I haven't had any trouble with the moderation. I keep the talk about details in the chat. And well out of my profile, which is sort of ambiguously written in terms of what I'm looking for.

Most of the girls once you write them are pretty clear that they're freelancers. Though a number are afraid that it will get their account blocked and choose to move over to line.


One thing I noticed was, based on the timezone difference, that you have older women that message you in the morning, and then as the day goes on, the rest of the freelancers start coming online. Peak period is around 7 or 8 I noticed, when they like and write at much faster rates.

Can't wait. Those living here have so much at their fingertips its insane.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3007940]Another thing we know is that Thais would rather risk a 1000 baht fine than to buy a 200 baht helmet to put on their heads. If guys here report paying all this money and giving all these tips to people, then you would at least expect them to take care of mickey mouse shit like a key or helmet so it will not cost them exorbitantly more in the future, but TIT.[/QUOTE]When I order a Bolt motobike during the day, I specify that I want a helmet, even though helmets are generally disgusting and smelly. I wear a hair protection cap to protect my hair. Two out of three times, the driver doesn't have a helmet for the passenger. Even if he has one himself. So I refuse the ride and indicate in the comments that there was no helmet for the passenger. I also tell the driver that I won't be riding with him for safety reasons and because of the police. Sometimes this makes him furious, or he claims there are no police on the road. I still refuse.

In the evening, when I've had a bit to drink between WS and LK Metro, I still take the mototaxi even without a helmet because I don't want to waste my time.

I walked down Soi Chaiyapoon tonight, and it was eerily quiet. As in, I was the only Farang walking down the street.

High Rollers was not open at 5 pm, and most bars were empty. A few were closed and up for sale.

In other words, a typical Low Season.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;3008161]When I order a Bolt motobike during the day, I specify that I want a helmet, even though helmets are generally disgusting and smelly. I wear a hair protection cap to protect my hair. Two out of three times, the driver doesn't have a helmet for the passenger. Even if he has one himself. So I refuse the ride and indicate in the comments that there was no helmet for the passenger. I also tell the driver that I won't be riding with him for safety reasons and because of the police. Sometimes this makes him furious, or he claims there are no police on the road. I still refuse.

In the evening, when I've had a bit to drink between WS and LK Metro, I still take the mototaxi even without a helmet because I don't want to waste my time.[/QUOTE]I'm confused. You refuse a mototaxi if no helmet is provided, for your safety, unless you've been drinking and don't want to waste your time? That's the type of reasoning that constantly gets people in trouble.

Whether a person wears a helmet or not, takes a mototaxi or not, or uses a condom or not doesn't matter to me. However, if your personal safety rules get thrown out the window whenever you drink, you might want to rethink your actions.

I've tried Gator before but this was the first time I've tried Crocodile. 35 Baht and not bad at all.

I checked out Soi Honey and here are some FS places available for 1 K-1. 5 K including a 1 hour massage.

Benja Massage.

Princess Health Massage.

Lips Lounge / Ava.

To protect my hair. WTF? Protect it from what?

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3007950][b]If[/b] that chick is queing guys willing to give her 3 or 4 K for ST, why the fuck would she want to accept your lowball 1,5 K offer?[/QUOTE][B]If if[/B] was a fifth we would all be drunk. [B]If[/B] my aunt had a dick, then she would be my uncle.

There is always some mystery chick that guys are lining up to pay 4,000 baht to. Point one of them out for a change so we can all be in awe of her beauty and witnesses to this fictitious cue.

These are fucking hookers, not rop-rated Michelin star chefs.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3008227]I've tried Gator before but this was the first time I've tried Crocodile. 35 Baht and not bad at all.[/QUOTE]Don't tell me taste like Chicken LOL.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;3008288]Don't tell me taste like Chicken LOL.[/QUOTE]LOL. Maybe if it was deep fried with batter but with the Thai spices it had a unique flavor. I'd try it again.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;3008181]I'm confused. You refuse a mototaxi if no helmet is provided, for your safety, unless you've been drinking and don't want to waste your time? That's the type of reasoning that constantly gets people in trouble.

Whether a person wears a helmet or not, takes a mototaxi or not, or uses a condom or not doesn't matter to me. However, if your personal safety rules get thrown out the window whenever you drink, you might want to rethink your actions.[/QUOTE]Forget it. It's a bit too complicated for your brain.

I'm referring to Area 53, a bar located on Soi Diana right next to the Nest.

I'm not referring to Area 51, another bar on Soi Diana.

Area 53 is crazy. It is a small beer bar. But one lady drink costs 250 Baht.

I made the mistake of buying one without asking the price.

Was strolling Beach Road again and something interesting happened. A nice looking FL rolled up on me driving a Honda Click. She stopped and chatted. English was understandable. She asked me what I was doing and I told her that I was walking and checking out the scene and then I asked her where was she going on her motor bike and she answered "I'm going to your place". Wow! LOL. I was impressed and I was game. Plus she was looking awesome with a nice body. Negotiated 1. 5 K for ST and hopped on the back and off we went together. She was a solid "8" on the scale and we had a GFE session. First time I ever got picked up by a FL on a motor bike. It was different but no complaints from me.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3008305]LOL. Maybe if it was deep fried with batter but with the Thai spices it had a unique flavor. I'd try it again.[/QUOTE]No I get it I've been eating it for 20 years LOL!

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3008227]I've tried Gator before but this was the first time I've tried Crocodile. 35 Baht and not bad at all.[/QUOTE]I'm a vegetarian Once Removed, meaning I only eat critters that don't eat other critters. I don't like being too high up in the food chain. You don't know what you are ingesting.

[QUOTE=Huntsman;3008650]I'm a vegetarian Once Removed, meaning I only eat critters that don't eat other critters. I don't like being too high up in the food chain. You don't know what you are ingesting.[/QUOTE]Some Huntsman you are!

Went to Electric Blue last night, which is really Windmill 3 (same owner). Only the upstairs is open. It's a good place if you are into big naturals, which I am. Don't expect to find spinners though. Spent way too much on lady drinks, but had a great time, lots of hands on. The manager rewarded my profligacy with a free Jack and coke. BFs are 1500 ST and 3000 LT throughout the Windmill group, a bit steep. The girls ask 3000 ST and 5000 LT. I didn't pull the trigger.

[QUOTE=Huntsman;3008660]Went to Electric Blue last night, which is really Windmill 3 (same owner). Only the upstairs is open. It's a good place if you are into big naturals, which I am. Don't expect to find spinners though. Spent way too much on lady drinks, but had a great time, lots of hands on. The manager rewarded my profligacy with a free Jack and coke. BFs are 1500 ST and 3000 LT throughout the Windmill group, a bit steep. The girls ask 3000 ST and 5000 LT. I didn't pull the trigger.[/QUOTE]I should add that the LD prices are 240 for a 'lady soft drink' and 260 for a 'lady cocktail'. LOL. With this you get unfettered access to boobies.

[QUOTE=Huntsman;3008660]Went to Electric Blue last night, which is really Windmill 3 (same owner). Only the upstairs is open. It's a good place if you are into big naturals, which I am. Don't expect to find spinners though. Spent way too much on lady drinks, but had a great time, lots of hands on. The manager rewarded my profligacy with a free Jack and coke. BFs are 1500 ST and 3000 LT throughout the Windmill group, a bit steep. The girls ask 3000 ST and 5000 LT. I didn't pull the trigger.[/QUOTE]Do you have to buy 5 drinks in order to barfine a girl?

I heard that Kawaii Soi 6 has been sold and is under new ownership.

So it is no longer a part of the Nightwish group.

However, a lady drink costs 210 Baht now.

So the new owner must be greedier than Nightwish.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3008267]There is always some mystery chick that guys are lining up to pay 4,000 baht to. Point one of them out for a change so we can all be in awe of her beauty and witnesses to this fictitious cue.[/QUOTE]This ISG member's post quoted below is expressly stating he gives 4 K for ST at least to one girl, why not ask him a proof of how beautifull the girl is to be able to rack up 4 K for ST with a permanent resident in Thailand?

Also, do you really believe he is the only guy doing such a stuff?

Do you also believe that that girl is the only one able to get 4 K from a single punter for ST in Pattaya?

[QUOTE=XXL;3007872]I myself pay (ok, overpay) my regular girl 4000 for short time. We have had a barebacking arrangement for a couple of years now and we never gave each other any STD, which is also what I pay a premium for. But it goes to show girls' level of expectation at present. Before covid I was paying this girl 1000 at Soi 6 + 400 for the room. During covid I paid her 1500 to meet at my condo.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Falcon95;3008481]Area 53 is crazy. It is a small beer bar. But one lady drink costs 250 Baht.

I made the mistake of buying one without asking the price.[/QUOTE]Many places are out of touch with their LD prices.

I stopped by Oppa bar on soi 6 a few days ago, 210 baht for an LD while most other places in the soi are still at 180. That's probably the same price in Goodfella, Baba bar, The soi 6 bar and Tomcats as they are operated by the same bunch of people.

I've read somewhere that Cooters bar is 250 baht too.

There are newbies / Rookies / Noobs telling their amazing stories here of paying double the amount that should be paid.

1000 Baht ST is normal for girls standing on the beach road.

1300 to 1400 Baht ST is for Soi 6 girls as 1000 goes to the girl while the 300 to 400 is the room fee.

2000 to 2500 is LT but most will settle at 2000 after negotiation for LT.

Lady drinks can cost 150 to 250 Baht but if I like the girl then I cannot stop myself from giving her the LD.

Only issue happened with me last time was I had got Gonorrhea which is an STD that can make the dick fall apart in 1 week if ignored. Lesson learnt that never go for without condom, even in the blowjobs you should use the condoms as some girls have Gonorrhea in the mouth too. It cost me about 7000 Baht in the Pattaya city hospital next to the soi 6, but maybe that hospital is costly as everything looked luxurious in there. There are other cheaper places too.

This Gonorrhea disease happens when the earlier customers have used the asshole and then got a blowjob or did sex in the pussy

You should avoid TF Tinder and websites as 1 out of 2 times (50% of the times) the girls are actually ladyboys. I met 3 such ladyboys and then I left the online scene. 1 Ladyboy was so good looking that I begged him/her to tell me the true identity, but he told the truth while leaving only. The moment they do not allow you to see their pussy is when you should get alert and tell them politely to leave. I even paid half the money to 1 ladyboy so he leaves, although I never felt such boobs before, they were amazingly soft yet thick skin. Yuk

The ladyboys actually do a chin job / Chin job (reducing the chick bones and jaw bones) from a surgeon. This is why some Ladyboys have cuts on both cheeks or under the jaws and cheeks.
They do boobjobs, and also sex change. Finally, they achieve such a thin body that they easily confuse you. Once I asked the rate to a girl but she clearly said in low voice that she is a lady boy. I saluted his honesty but I noticed, he was honest because the mamasan was watching. Sometimes giving a drink to mamasan also has its own perks.

Avoid the walking street agogos or any shops on walking street as they are super costly, but we Indians keep visiting walking street for the Jalwa club

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3008704]This ISG member's post quoted below is expressly stating he gives 4 K for ST at least to one girl, why not ask him a proof of how beautifull the girl is to be able to rack up 4 K for ST with a permanent resident in Thailand?

Also, do you really believe he is the only guy doing such a stuff?

Do you also believe that that girl is the only one able to get 4 K from a single punter for ST in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]No. But you mentioned guys lined up to do it. I do know XXL personally. Him paying 4,000 baht is not saying she is the best girl in Pattaya. It is saying that he sees a chick he wants and does not want to bullshit around, so he tries to make her an offer she can't refuse.

For me it is an I want pussy, but it does not have to be that particular pussy if you are telling me that much money.

Most of my friends give freelancers 2,000 for ST. I always ask them why they give them so much because we fuck some of the same girls and they will come to me for 1000 all night. They have never really answered why they give them 2,000. I guess they just feel it is fair, not that the chick would not come for less.

[QUOTE=Huntsman;3008650]I'm a vegetarian Once Removed, meaning I only eat critters that don't eat other critters......[/QUOTE]You only eat sardines?

Once the girl feels safe with you and everything is friendly, you both understand each other, then she can do anything for you. This has happened 2 times till now with me and the 2 separate Bar owners in separate areas. I told the bar owner that I like you and would like Short Time with you. She agreed as she knew I am deeply into her eyes. The staff had told me already that she does not do short times or any times but she agreed and we had fun in the absence of her husband.

Second bar owner asked me to wait 6 hours until the bar closes. I did wait in my hotel room, she came in fully drunk and I banged her till my condom tore out. I was on cialis, so erection was too good, while the typical thai condom was short for me and it was torn in 45 minutes. I was drunk, she was drunk but I knew my member is naked in her now. I got scared and told her to leave. I was satisfied just by the torn condom. But she said she will stay and let me finish. This is how sweet the girls can be.

[QUOTE=Huntsman;3008650]I'm a vegetarian Once Removed, meaning I only eat critters that don't eat other critters. I don't like being too high up in the food chain. You don't know what you are ingesting.[/QUOTE]I take it you like good cut of 100% grass fed, dry-aged, beef. So, do I. 555!

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;3008339]Forget it. It's a bit too complicated for your brain.[/QUOTE]It's not complicated at all. If someone told you "I always look before I cross the street for my safety, unless I've been drinking", would that make sense?

Doing something for your safety only when it's convenient isn't keeping you safe. That's a fundamental rule no matter what you're doing. It comes into play constantly when mongering.

[QUOTE=Visal;3008739]There are newbies / Rookies / Noobs telling their amazing stories here of paying double the amount that should be paid.

1000 Baht ST is normal for girls standing on the beach road.

1300 to 1400 Baht ST is for Soi 6 girls as 1000 goes to the girl while the 300 to 400 is the room fee.

2000 to 2500 is LT but most will settle at 2000 after negotiation for LT.

Lady drinks can cost 150 to 250 Baht but if I like the girl then I cannot stop myself from giving her the LD.

Only issue happened with me last time was I had got Gonorrhea which is an STD that can make the dick fall apart in 1 week if ignored. Lesson learnt that never go for without condom, even in the blowjobs you should use the condoms as some girls have Gonorrhea in the mouth too. It cost me about 7000 Baht in the Pattaya city hospital next to the soi 6, but maybe that hospital is costly as everything looked luxurious in there. There are other cheaper places too.

This Gonorrhea disease happens when the earlier customers have used the asshole and then got a blowjob or did sex in the pussy

You should avoid TF Tinder and websites as 1 out of 2 times (50% of the times) the girls are actually ladyboys. I met 3 such ladyboys and then I left the online scene. 1 Ladyboy was so good looking that I begged him/her to tell me the true identity, but he told the truth while leaving only. The moment they do not allow you to see their pussy is when you should get alert and tell them politely to leave. I even paid half the money to 1 ladyboy so he leaves, although I never felt such boobs before, they were amazingly soft yet thick skin. Yuk

The ladyboys actually do a chin job / Chin job (reducing the chick bones and jaw bones) from a surgeon. This is why some Ladyboys have cuts on both cheeks or under the jaws and cheeks.
They do boobjobs, and also sex change. Finally, they achieve such a thin body that they easily confuse you. Once I asked the rate to a girl but she clearly said in low voice that she is a lady boy. I saluted his honesty but I noticed, he was honest because the mamasan was watching. Sometimes giving a drink to mamasan also has its own perks.

Avoid the walking street agogos or any shops on walking street as they are super costly, but we Indians keep visiting walking street for the Jalwa club[/QUOTE]This is old info.

ST rates on Soi 6 are on average 1500-2000 now. Anyone who says they are paying less than 1500 is banging the ugliest women on that street.

That does NOT include room fee, which is 300-400 baht.

Soi 6 has changed drastically in the last 12 months.

[QUOTE=Visal;3008768]Once the girl feels safe with you and everything is friendly, you both understand each other, then she can do anything for you. This has happened 2 times till now with me and the 2 separate Bar owners in separate areas. I told the bar owner that I like you and would like Short Time with you. She agreed as she knew I am deeply into her eyes. The staff had told me already that she does not do short times or any times but she agreed and we had fun in the absence of her husband.

Second bar owner asked me to wait 6 hours until the bar closes. I did wait in my hotel room, she came in fully drunk and I banged her till my condom tore out. I was on cialis, so erection was too good, while the typical thai condom was short for me and it was torn in 45 minutes. I was drunk, she was drunk but I knew my member is naked in her now. I got scared and told her to leave. I was satisfied just by the torn condom. But she said she will stay and let me finish. This is how sweet the girls can be.[/QUOTE]Sound like Hooker Transaction. Don't fool yourself bro.

Can they be Sweet. Sure.

[QUOTE=Turgid;3008765]You only eat sardines?[/QUOTE]Almost a Superfood.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3008744]No. But you mentioned guys lined up to do it. I do know XXL personally. Him paying 4,000 baht is not saying she is the best girl in Pattaya. It is saying that he sees a chick he wants and does not want to bullshit around, so he tries to make her an offer she can't refuse.

For me it is an I want pussy, but it does not have to be that particular pussy if you are telling me that much money.

Most of my friends give freelancers 2,000 for ST. I always ask them why they give them so much because we fuck some of the same girls and they will come to me for 1000 all night. They have never really answered why they give them 2,000. I guess they just feel it is fair, not that the chick would not come for less.[/QUOTE]People. Mr E is fine with unattractive. Not Rocket Science.

About his claims his Friends give 2,000. We will never know if they do or not. Guys do pay for Uglies, but a Hottie will never ever go LT for 1,000.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3008744]I do know XXL personally. Him paying 4,000 baht is not saying she is the best girl in Pattaya. It is saying that he sees a chick he wants and does not want to bullshit around, so he tries to make her an offer she can't refuse.[/QUOTE]That's exactly what I was saying in my initial post, I never said these girls are the prettiest girls one could find in Pattaya, I said they are popular enough to be able to rack up many punters willing to pay much more than the usual prices.

Which inevitably lead these girls to (very often?) refuse the lowballs offers like 1500 baht.

You tuber yesterday ask Beach Road girl how much?

She say 1,000.

Kinda Ugly if you ask me. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=Visal;3008739]
You should avoid TF Tinder and websites as 1 out of 2 times (50% of the times) the girls are actually ladyboys. [/QUOTE]You will not have this problem if you block ladyboys in your settings. See attached.

Walking Street Best.

55 Baht Happy Hour to Oohle Hotties.

Thursday a farm fresh a bit on the dark side and Small. Kind of Hot. She say 18 and she looked it. Bigger Tiddies would would her Cause.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;3008785]It's not complicated at all. If someone told you "I always look before I cross the street for my safety, unless I've been drinking", would that make sense?

Doing something for your safety only when it's convenient isn't keeping you safe. That's a fundamental rule no matter what you're doing. It comes into play constantly when mongering.[/QUOTE]Great! Do you give road safety lessons? Can you do something here in Pattaya because it's a bit of a mess.

I got a Thai True Sim Card from a local 7-11 for only 350 Baht all in. It's good for a full 30 days and call be reloaded for extended time and assigns you a local Thai Phone Number. I told was told that it had unlimited data for the 30 days. I thinks it's better than getting on at the airport.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;3008960]Walking Street Best.

55 Baht Happy Hour to Oohle Hotties.

Thursday a farm fresh a bit on the dark side and Small. Kind of Hot. She say 18 and she looked it. Bigger Tiddies would would her Cause.[/QUOTE]Oops. Bliss.

[QUOTE=WayneRoberts;3008801]This is old info.

ST rates on Soi 6 are on average 1500-2000 now. Anyone who says they are paying less than 1500 is banging the ugliest women on that street.

That does NOT include room fee, which is 300-400 baht.

Soi 6 has changed drastically in the last 12 months.[/QUOTE]This is correct! I was there this March and part of April. Soi 6 rates are north of 2,000 and a couple ladies wanted 4,000 and were not 10's or even 9's. And that did not include the room nor her request for 5 ladies drinks / shots. 1,800 was about the LOWEST acceptable price and did not include the room or tip.

[QUOTE=GentileBear;3009023]This is correct! I was there this March and part of April. Soi 6 rates are north of 2,000 and a couple ladies wanted 4,000 and were not 10's or even 9's. And that did not include the room nor her request for 5 ladies drinks / shots. 1,800 was about the LOWEST acceptable price and did not include the room or tip.[/QUOTE]Yes, there are some asking it. But if you negotiate the price and take some time then you can get it down. The street has very low number of customers. Negotiate the price and don't be a whimp.

Remeber that the price for this kind of service is expensive and those girls would never ask those prices from thais.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;3008968]Great! Do you give road safety lessons? Can you do something here in Pattaya because it's a bit of a mess.[/QUOTE]Actually I do. Not much I can do to change the way an entire nation drives. For individuals it's easy:

You're responsible for your safety.

Be aware. Be patient. Don't disregard your safety because you're in a hurry. If your focus on safety disappears when you're drinking, drink less or do your drinking in a safe place.

After that, anticipate and plan for possible events that may threaten your safety.

In Pattaya now, it's fairly quiet but Soi 6 has enough cute girls. Haven't been in a Gogo in years, so not sure how they are looking.

Has two STs on Soi 6 so far, one petite girl in La La Land who said she was from Bangkok and an taller Isaan girl with a curvy ass (for a Thai girl) from another bar on the same side, but I forget which one.

If anyone wants to hang out, PM me.

[QUOTE=Visal;3008739]There are newbies / Rookies / Noobs telling their amazing stories here of paying double the amount that should be paid.

1000 Baht ST is normal for girls standing on the beach road.

1300 to 1400 Baht ST is for Soi 6 girls as 1000 goes to the girl while the 300 to 400 is the room fee.

2000 to 2500 is LT but most will settle at 2000 after negotiation for LT.

Lady drinks can cost 150 to 250 Baht but if I like the girl then I cannot stop myself from giving her the LD.

Only issue happened with me last time was I had got Gonorrhea which is an STD that can make the dick fall apart in 1 week if ignored. Lesson learnt that never go for without condom, even in the blowjobs you should use the condoms as some girls have Gonorrhea in the mouth too. It cost me about 7000 Baht in the Pattaya city hospital next to the soi 6, but maybe that hospital is costly as everything looked luxurious in there. There are other cheaper places too.

This Gonorrhea disease happens when the earlier customers have used the asshole and then got a blowjob or did sex in the pussy

You should avoid TF Tinder and websites as 1 out of 2 times (50% of the times) the girls are actually ladyboys. I met 3 such ladyboys and then I left the online scene. 1 Ladyboy was so good looking that I begged him/her to tell me the true identity, but he told the truth while leaving only. The moment they do not allow you to see their pussy is when you should get alert and tell them politely to leave. I even paid half the money to 1 ladyboy so he leaves, although I never felt such boobs before, they were amazingly soft yet thick skin. Yuk

The ladyboys actually do a chin job / Chin job (reducing the chick bones and jaw bones) from a surgeon. This is why some Ladyboys have cuts on both cheeks or under the jaws and cheeks.
They do boobjobs, and also sex change. Finally, they achieve such a thin body that they easily confuse you. Once I asked the rate to a girl but she clearly said in low voice that she is a lady boy. I saluted his honesty but I noticed, he was honest because the mamasan was watching. Sometimes giving a drink to mamasan also has its own perks.

Avoid the walking street agogos or any shops on walking street as they are super costly, but we Indians keep visiting walking street for the Jalwa club[/QUOTE]The hospital noted near Soi 6, isn't Pattaya City which is on Soi Baukhao opposite PlayGirl GoGo.

It is a private hospital reason more called.

International hospital. Not too high and not too cheap!

Hello guys, I'm a regular at Pattaya for the last 6 years but I've only been there in November or end of October. This time I'll be going from August 16th. I know that's low season for patts, so do you guys think there won't be as many girls? Or maybe the bars, weed stores could be closed?

Secondly I want to try out some really kinky stuff this time. I've only been with gogo or soi 6 girls till now. How can I explore this? What are my best options?

[QUOTE=WayneRoberts;3008801]This is old info.

ST rates on Soi 6 are on average 1500-2000 now. Anyone who says they are paying less than 1500 is banging the ugliest women on that street.

That does NOT include room fee, which is 300-400 baht.

Soi 6 has changed drastically in the last 12 months.[/QUOTE]So much price increase in just 3 years?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;3009067]The hospital noted near Soi 6, isn't Pattaya City which is on Soi Baukhao opposite PlayGirl GoGo.

It is a private hospital reason more called.

International hospital. Not too high and not too cheap![/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. I thought it is luxurious hospital. Any cheap hospital or doctor in pattaya?

[QUOTE=Visal;3009130]Any cheap hospital or doctor in pattaya?[/QUOTE]There are tons of clinics to go to. Just look for the green and white signs with the green cross.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3009136]There are tons of clinics to go to. Just look for the green and white signs with the green cross.[/QUOTE]The Cialis that they sell, are they genuine?

[QUOTE=Visal;3009130]Thanks for the info. I thought it is luxurious hospital. Any cheap hospital or doctor in pattaya?[/QUOTE]As noted, by Mr. E, there are Thai clinic for it all depends on what your needs are! If you got a headache, stomach ache, need to change a wound one of these will do the trick. If you need just a pill, in town you can go to a pharmacy like Facino, and obtain pretty decent medication just as if you were home over the counter. There is a Facino, just off Soi Buakhao, and Pattaya Klang, you can't obtain good antibotic there.

The only government hospital I know of in town is the Pattaya City Hospital, as noted on Soi Buakhao, across from Play girl GoGo, between Soi Buakhao, second road near the end of Pattaya Klang is the Memorial Hospital, it is private, decent from my limit experience using it as with many private, the wait time is limit and if you are talking VD stuff or if in an emergency that requires ambulances they most likely will take you there or Bangkok Pattaya Hospital as a foreigner. Not expensive nor cheap it all depends.

These private are all cash basis first get a International medical certification for treatment then submit to your own insurance back home for refund! But for VD, LOL! International Hospital don't deal with insurance companies!

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;3009166]The only government hospital I know of in town is the Pattaya City Hospital, [/QUOTE]The main government hospital is in Naklua near that open market with the tall roof. It is free for Thais. I do not know how much it is for foreigners. There is a long wait though, unlike the small private clinics.

[QUOTE=Visal;3009129]So much price increase in just 3 years?[/QUOTE]Yes, it's called "supply and demand" and "inflation.”

1 million Indians visited Pattaya last year and 2 million Chinese visited last year so we can assume these trends will continue as both countries have direct flights to Thailand.

[QUOTE]
Pattaya Tourism Soars Record-breaking numbers in 2024 and promising start to 2025[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.pattayamail.com/news/pattaya-tourism-soars-record-breaking-numbers-in-2024-and-promising-start-to-2025-487347?utm_source=chatgpt.com[/URL]

Work hard, save, invest, because Pattaya will never be cheaper than it is today. Prices will always go up, and that goes for mongering anywhere.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;3009211]Yes, it's called "supply and demand" and "inflation.

1 million Indians visited Pattaya last year and 2 million Chinese visited last year so we can assume these trends will continue as both countries have direct flights to Thailand.

[URL]https://www.pattayamail.com/news/pattaya-tourism-soars-record-breaking-numbers-in-2024-and-promising-start-to-2025-487347?utm_source=chatgpt.com[/URL]

Work hard, save, invest, because Pattaya will never be cheaper than it is today. Prices will always go up, and that goes for mongering anywhere.[/QUOTE]

Thank you Rocko20 for sharing the above statistics. Very interesting indeed. So out of curiosity, ran few queries on Gemini to see some global representation. According to data from the Ministry of Tourism and Sports of Thailand, 6. 73 million tourists from China visited Thailand in 2024. 4. 95 M Malaysians, 2. 1 M Indians, 1. 8 M Koreans. Tourists from Japan, the US, Singapore were about 1 million. Tourists from UK (0. 96 M), Russia (0. 93 M), Indonesia (0. 87 M) and about 0. 7 M tourists from Australia, France, Germany.

Cheers.

Dickaprio.

Only issue happened with me last time was I had got Gonorrhea which is an STD that can make the dick fall apart in 1 week if ignored. Lesson learnt that never go for without condom, even in the blowjobs you should use the condoms as some girls have Gonorrhea in the mouth too. It cost me about 7000 Baht in the Pattaya city hospital next to the soi 6, but maybe that hospital is costly.

You got conned, I doubt even Bangkok Pattaya hospital would cost that much to handle gonorrhea. And clinics everywhere which do it for small fraction. But for common stds like gonorrhea pack of azithromycin from pharmacy at 170 baht will do the trick.

[QUOTE=Knobrm;3009218]But for common stds like gonorrhea pack of azithromycin from pharmacy at 170 baht will do the trick.[/QUOTE]That is only partially true, azithromycin will only clear some strains of gonorrhea, other strains require injected antibiotics. It will treat some other bacterial STDs. Azithromycin does nothing to treat viral or parasitic STDs.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;3009211]Yes, it's called "supply and demand" and "inflation.

1 million Indians visited Pattaya last year and 2 million Chinese visited last year .......[/QUOTE]With the estimated number of working girls in Pattaya being 25,000 it can, therefore, be concluded that on average each working girl fucked 120 Chinese and Indian men, then we have to add others such as local Thais and other nationalities including gringos in the mix.

[QUOTE=Turgid;3009258]With the estimated number of working girls in Pattaya being 25,000 it can, therefore, be concluded that on average each working girl fucked 120 Chinese and Indian men, then we have to add others such as local Thais and other nationalities including gringos in the mix.[/QUOTE]Your calculation is not correct, because not all of the visitors are mongerers.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3009170]The main government hospital is in Naklua near that open market with the tall roof. It is free for Thais. I do not know how much it is for foreigners. There is a long wait though, unlike the small private clinics.[/QUOTE]Thanks, when I meant in town inside in which it can be obtain easily which is Pattaya City. I do know Banglamung the main government hospital in Naklua, it is cheap even for foreigners depending on your need and any major surgery you will need to be register and waiting list. You can get a private room 1000-1500 baht. Major surgery the larger government for the Province is Chon Buri, which you not really want to go, I have and seen bodies covered parked in corners open air area's.

My son, when he was working for DIY, called in sick they required a Doctor note of sorts, he ask just take me to Banglamung, we waited to see a doctor it took an hour then it took another 2 hours to get his medication. I noted to him, I appreciate that you haven't become spoiled from me raising you but to be honest I'm not broke, there is a thing called time and money! LOL.

[QUOTE=Knobrm;3009218]Only issue happened with me last time was I had got Gonorrhea which is an STD that can make the dick fall apart in 1 week if ignored. Lesson learnt that never go for without condom, even in the blowjobs you should use the condoms as some girls have Gonorrhea in the mouth too. It cost me about 7000 Baht in the Pattaya city hospital next to the soi 6, but maybe that hospital is costly.

You got conned, I doubt even Bangkok Pattaya hospital would cost that much to handle gonorrhea. And clinics everywhere which do it for small fraction. But for common stds like gonorrhea pack of azithromycin from pharmacy at 170 baht will do the trick.[/QUOTE]That is incorrect from my 20 years of experience with Bangkok Pattaya Hospital. This hospital although they claim they don't do and will due pricing! A general blood lab work runs around 4,000 baht, just for starts, then the Q tip I heard that is used to get a sample for testing would make a Muay Thai fighter cry like a baby so you do the math, when you get your bill, they even list the tissue that is used LOL! Then the kicker is they will milk you for Pharma medication, give you a return date to hold you dick and view it, and the process continues!

He didn't get rip off! And yes if he is an experience monger and his dick has gone through it before can get as you noted pills at an pharmacy. But for someone who never had it, one morning it is burning, a few hours later the tip is all fucked up, you look at it the anticipation you need to pee makes you scared you get on your knees and ask God, although you have never been religious please help my little brother, if you do, I will be a good boy in the future. LOL!

My Godfather who I was ask to look after here in Pattaya, a few weeks ago had an Heart Attack, When I got the call from his caregivers, in the emergency room, a number of doctors surrounded him, within the group was an Adminitrator who had the toughest job interjected while Dr. Were saying he is going to die if we don't explaining the reason within that conversation they jam a bunch of paper in my face basically asking who is going to pay for all this stuff and are you going to gaurantee the bill.

I rolled down Pattaya Walking Street on the Baht Bus during the day. It's still 10 Baht.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;3009045]Actually I do. Not much I can do to change the way an entire nation drives. For individuals it's easy:

You're responsible for your safety.

Be aware. Be patient. Don't disregard your safety because you're in a hurry. If your focus on safety disappears when you're drinking, drink less or do your drinking in a safe place.

After that, anticipate and plan for possible events that may threaten your safety.[/QUOTE]You're awesome. Thanks for your advice.

Come on guys. 2,000 baht for the top 5 per cent on Soi 6 is very Reasonable.

Butterfly s on Soi 6 has quite of the Collection of Hotties and the lessor ones. Betterment than Rainbows 4 as of 2 weeks ago.

Thanks everyone for your inputs.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3009238]That is only partially true, azithromycin will only clear some strains of gonorrhea, other strains require injected antibiotics. It will treat some other bacterial STDs. Azithromycin does nothing to treat viral or parasitic STDs.[/QUOTE]Yes right, they injected a saline into me, they had done sample test and blood test too. But I think most STD's can get cured by azithromycin and doxycycline tablets. In India the medication and hospitalization is super cheap, so the 7000 baht looked too much for me. Indian Local doctors won't con you and so mostly it should get cured in just 1000 baht. Anyways, every country has its own problems and prices.

The hospital I had went is named Pattaya international hospital, it is in between soi 6 and red planet hotel, next to the airplane food hub. I went there as it was besides my hotel. I was the only person living on the entire floor of red planet hotel.

I had visited as covid was getting over in April 2022. The entire Soi 6 had girls and only 1 man on street, that is me! Everyone knew I am there since how many days, where I stay, what I like ST or LT. Which type of girl I like etc. Even the beach road girls knew me, there were very few girls on the beach road. Afterall, there were so few tourists. Still I got STD, meaning I should keep the tablets ready with me in the bag when I visit Thailand next time.

Downside was that honey massage was closed during the pandemic. The entire city slept at 8 PM. The same girls that would give me catcalls in evening would not even look at me at 8 PM as they had to obey the covid rules. This was a bit trouble as the situation made me have dinner and right after that find the girl I would like and then perform the exercise with them.

[QUOTE=Knobrm;3009218]Only issue happened with me last time was I had got Gonorrhea which is an STD that can make the dick fall apart in 1 week if ignored.[/QUOTE]Really! Where do you get this crazy information from. Gonorrhea will not make you dick fall apart. What does that even mean, sounds so ridiculous. What is will do is cause some burning, slight irritation at the end of the penis due to the infection, possible testical pain and inflammation. If left untreated can cause many issues but you dick will not "fall apart". LOL.

Just so that the wrong information doesn't get around: the standard treatment for gonorrhea is now Ceftriaxone (injection). The old standard was Azitromycin + Ceftriaxone. The new standard is Ceftriaxone alone, but at a higher dose than in the old standard.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;3009530]Come on guys. 2,000 baht for the top 5 per cent on Soi 6 is very Reasonable.

Butterfly s on Soi 6 has quite of the Collection of Hotties and the lessor ones. Betterment than Rainbows 4 as of 2 weeks ago.[/QUOTE]Some guys will complain about anything.

[QUOTE=Davey1965;3009579]Really! Where do you get this crazy information from. Gonorrhea will not make you dick fall apart. What does that even mean, sounds so ridiculous. What is will do is cause some burning, slight irritation at the end of the penis due to the infection, possible testical pain and inflammation. If left untreated can cause many issues but you dick will not "fall apart". LOL.[/QUOTE]For some men if something has made the dick unable to have sex, said dick has fallen apart.

Hahaha, yea you have a point for sure. What I meant was. Gonorrhea if untreated will make your dick stop getting erect. This means the dick is of no use now.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;3009374]... then the Q tip I heard that is used to get a sample for testing would make a Muay Thai fighter cry like a baby...[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, I can confirm the pain from the Q-Tip that is pushed up the urethra. True agony. I had that test almost 20 years ago and still remember it. The advantage is results were available in minutes. My more recent experiences with gonorrhea tests has been a simple collection of urine and then waiting for a laboratory to do their analysis.

"This means the dick is of no use now. " Jesus where do you guys come up with this BS? In an extremely rare case that MAY happen. To suggest it IS going to happen is nonsense.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3009787]Unfortunately, I can confirm the pain from the Q-Tip that is pushed up the urethra. True agony. I had that test almost 20 years ago and still remember it. The advantage is results were available in minutes. My more recent experiences with gonorrhea tests has been a simple collection of urine and then waiting for a laboratory to do their analysis.[/QUOTE]I got it around 20 years back, I never got tested like you but was told if you want it done right the Q tip was it! I was never a all day everyday monger like guys here I then was seeing 3 regulars in which FS was always used with a Condom.

Then knowing a guy his dick had traveled everywhere so I just happened told him first day what happened in the morning as I try to pee, I knew the little guy well and what I felt was coming wasn't right he gave me names of two medication to get at the pharmacy which I did, took them together but it takes time during the wait I dread going to the bathroom and having to look at the little guy face. Luckily about a week things started to look up although I promised the good lord I would change it took only a month after I again became a sinner.

[QUOTE=Turgid;3009716]For some men if something has made the dick unable to have sex, said dick has fallen apart.[/QUOTE]There is a time and place for everything, everyone at some point will experience it " something has made the dick unable to have sex " that will come with aging or a medical problem. But thankfully today there is some help VIAGRA LOL!

If only there were a section her about Safe Sex. Then, we could get back to posting about Pattaya, which is having a very quiet Low season. If you ever wanted vast numbers of ladies without customers, now is the time to come to Pattaya. Next month, the ladies start to give up and go home, so August and September have the fewest ladies in town.

Data point. Avarits.

Farang asked him much. 1,500 and she was eager as a beaver. The guy hemmed and hawed, maybe just window shopping.

Description of the girl. She wasn't bottom of the Barrels.

Neither was she on Top of the Barrel.

Mid all the way. 1,500 seemed fair. Age more skewed towards 30. Darkie Skin.

Tonight I was impressed by Repent. The girls weren't Ugly.

The bar next to it not named Playpen on the other hand,. We're kinda Hard on the eyes.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;3009903]If only there were a section her about Safe Sex. Then, we could get back to posting about Pattaya, which is having a very quiet Low season. If you ever wanted vast numbers of ladies without customers, now is the time to come to Pattaya. Next month, the ladies start to give up and go home, so August and September have the fewest ladies in town.[/QUOTE]Isn't it better to go in high season when there are many more ladies in town so chances of getting the hottest ones are better? I will not travel all that way for mediocre girls.

If anyone is arriving early to Pattaya or leaving late and need a placed to store your baggage you can go the Apex Hotel and they will store your bags at the rate of 50 Baht for each piece for up to 3 hours.

[QUOTE=Turgid;3009915]Isn't it better to go in high season when there are many more ladies in town so chances of getting the hottest ones are better? I will not travel all that way for mediocre girls.[/QUOTE]You mean go during High Season when the hottest bar girls have dozens of two week millionaires bidding to barfine them?

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;3009903]................................................. If you ever wanted vast numbers of ladies without customers, now is the time to come to Pattaya. ......................[/QUOTE]Count me in!
(I tried to replace "count" with "c*nt", but it gets corrected)

What are the options around midnight other than taxis. On 12 Go site the last bus is at 10 pm, and nothing until next morning at 8 am.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3010020]What are the options around midnight other than taxis. On 12 Go site the last bus is at 10 pm, and nothing until next morning at 8 am.[/QUOTE]Tough one, hard to think of any other option except Grab (yes, basically taxi service).

I normally use Mr. Taxi at 1200-1500 Baht one-way. LINE ID: mrtpattaya E-mail: [EMAIL]mr_ttaxi@hotmail.com[/EMAIL]. Bit expensive, but reliable and I've been lucky with getting drivers that speak half-decent English.

Note: Doubt it would be hard to find another passenger or two on your flight to share a ride to Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Turgid;3009915]Isn't it better to go in high season when there are many more ladies in town so chances of getting the hottest ones are better? I will not travel all that way for mediocre girls.[/QUOTE]There are lots of advantages of low season. Don't believe the myth. Don't believe the hype.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3010020]What are the options around midnight other than taxis. On 12 Go site the last bus is at 10 pm, and nothing until next morning at 8 am.[/QUOTE]Tom Taxi: 24/7.
Suvarnabhumi > Pattaya (or vice versa) = 1000 B.
Pattaya > Bangkok downtown (Asoke, for example) or vice versa = 1300 B
Good vehicles and good drivers. Cheaper than Bolt or Grab, and the vehicles are better. I use them all the time.
Reliable. It's best to book in advance
[URL]https://www.tomtaxiservice.com/booking/[/URL]
WhatsApp / Line / Tel: +66982812537.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;3010084]Tom Taxi: 24/7.
Suvarnabhumi > Pattaya (or vice versa) = 1000 B.
Pattaya > Bangkok downtown (Asoke, for example) or vice versa = 1300 B
Good vehicles and good drivers. Cheaper than Bolt or Grab, and the vehicles are better. I use them all the time.
Reliable. It's best to book in advance
[URL]https://www.tomtaxiservice.com/booking/[/URL]
WhatsApp / Line / Tel: +66982812537.[/QUOTE]Thanks Mosquito and Pimpampoumpipo, I'm going to use Tom, the price is reasonable.

I'm in Pattaya now and it's definitely a good time to come in terms of number of options.

Soi 6 is like the olden days, when every girl tried to pill you into the bar instead of staring at their phones. Most of the girls are average at best but there's definitely some cute ones too. I've also noticed that the new girls seem to perform better in the room than the average Thai girl used to, haven't had one star fish this trip.

As for the negatives, Soi 6 is no longer good value, the best lookers seem to be fixed on 2 k for short time, then with a drink for you and her and room, you're looking at around 2700 minimum.

I have no idea what the go go's are like as I stopped going in them years ago but as usual Pattaya can't be beat on good value accommodation and food.

I tried a couple of gentlemen clubs but like my past trips, I never see girls I want to f*ck in them tbh.

You can still have a good time in Pattaya, at an ever increasing price, but I think I'll stick to Brazil in the future as the mongering is much better there.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3010016]Count me in!
(I tried to replace "count" with "c*nt", but it gets corrected)[/QUOTE]Ironical that this site is administered by prudes.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;3010105]Soi 6 is like the olden days. Most of the girls are average but there's some cute ones too. The best lookers seem to be fixed on 2k for short time, then with a drink for you and her and room, you're looking at around 2,700. . . . Pattaya can't be beat on value accommodation and food. . . . Tried a couple of gentlemen clubs but I never see girls I want to f*ck in them. . . . You can still have a good time in Pattaya, at an ever increasing price.[/QUOTE]Solid report. Full of useful information and succinctly written. Thanks to Khun Hans for adding value to the forum.

I booked the TomTaxi, got the confirmation email and instructions, about the meeting place:

"Confirmed booking.

1000 baht include highway.

When you arrive my driver will show your name arrive hall (2 floor) meeting point Gate 3.

If you not find my driver you can contact me by email or call +66 982812537".

The price is excellent anyway, but I made the booking for 2 pax, just in case I'll find another fellow mongerer to split the bill with.

Thank you again for helping me avoid the sharks and their triple prices, last time when I didn't had a bus reservation and I was trying to avoid a 2 hours wait for the first available one, the taxis were quoting me 3 k to Pattaya, all of them working in a coordinated modus operandi, and that was daytime with the busses still running, I can't even imagine how they will attack at night when they see you stranded wih no other options.

A quick report based on my rough notes from my visits to massage parlors in Pattaya.

**Day 1 - Girl 1* Went back to see the same girl on 2nd Road. She's still a safe bet when you get off the plane. That said, I feel her motivation is dropping a bit. Massage is still high quality, but the duration was shorter. I only took 25 MG of sildenafil. No need for more after the trip since I'm pretty excited when I arrive. 1300 THB + 200 THB tip.

**Day 2 - Girl 1* Beautiful woman, she wore a stunning long red dress like she was headed to a gala, with a tiare flower in her hairshe was truly ravishing. Naked, her body was exactly my type. A gorgeous woman in her thirties. Excellent massage, both gentle and firm. Then a really good, long blowjob. She came in doggy while my libido was fading. I let her think I came in doggy too. In reality, I lacked motivation from the start. Still gave her 2000 THB because I want to keep good relations with her. 1500 THB + 500 THB tip since she's an old acquaintance.

**Day 2 - Girl 2* Soi Honey, the old salon of my little Sa. When I'm low on fantasies and can't finish, lately I go see my specialist to get my dick "examined. " Fabulous blowjob, deep throat, wearing a sexy secretary outfit. She's 50 but sparks tons of fantasies. That's what I'm really afterbuilding scenarios in my head, I'm too jaded. Came in missionary. She's sweet with me, even soaps me up in the shower. 1300 THB + 200 THB tip.

**Day 3 - Girl 1* LK Metro. I'the written off sex today due to doubts about my libido after my failure yesterday.. Still swung by Soi Honey but found nothing, so around 3:30 PM, I hit Soi 6. There were starting to be a lot of girls, some really cute, but I was worried about my performance issues. Passing by LK Metro again, I ran into an acquaintance. I figured I'the at least go for her pro-quality massage. Affordable for a quickie, a bit pricier for a massage if it doesnt work out, but still very reasonable either way. Top-notch massage, gentle yet firm, superb. You can tell she's a professional. I started getting a nosebleed, which ruined my relaxation. But an amazing blowjob got me focused again. Then I came in missionary after 2 minutes. Really good. 1000 THB + 200 THB tip.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3010181]I booked the TomTaxi, got the confirmation email and instructions, about the meeting place:

"Confirmed booking.

1000 baht include highway.

When you arrive my driver will show your name arrive hall (2 floor) meeting point Gate 3.

If you not find my driver you can contact me by email or call +66 982812537".

The price is excellent anyway, but I made the booking for 2 pax, just in case I'll find another fellow mongerer to split the bill with.

Thank you again for helping me avoid the sharks and their triple prices, last time when I didn't had a bus reservation and I was trying to avoid a 2 hours wait for the first available one, the taxis were quoting me 3 k to Pattaya, all of them working in a coordinated modus operandi, and that was daytime with the busses still running, I can't even imagine how they will attack at night when they see you stranded wih no other options.[/QUOTE]Yes, I also think it's a good plan, because there's all sorts of chaos when it comes to transportation, and when I arrive after a long trip, I'm completely exhausted and just want to get to my condo quickly and with as few problems as possible. And plenty of scammers are on the lookout to rip off tourists.

Same messages and I follow the same procedure when I arrive at Suvarnabhumi, about ten times a year. Simple and clear. No need to rush around.

I'm glad everything went well for you ;-)

Seen this sign in Pattaya advertising the current transportation rates.

Desire soi 6 Livestream. A guy admitted he bought 1,200 drink the last few months. Aka $6,000.

He mentioned he might self ban himself. I agreed.

No telling how much he has spent overall.

**Based on my quick notes in Pattaya these days :

**Day 4 - Girl 1 (35 years old) : A Soi near the beach. Slim but not skinny, pretty well-built. Massage in my top 3, rated 5* minimum. Real Thai oil massage. Long, back (legs and back) and front (legs and a bit of torso). Followed by a blowjob that was a bit short for my taste but okay. I came in missionary because I'm afraid of losing my erection and desire if I switch to doggy, as has happened a few times recently. 1300 B + 200 B tip.

**Day 5 - Girl 1 (35 years old) : My current favorite, and she's not expensive. She's really trying to lock me down. Every day she messages me saying she loves me (and probably my Bahts too). She's going to Bangkok for 2-3 days and asked me to see her today. I did because I wanted her, and she gives good massages. After a great massage, she got naked, and I positioned her nice ass above my tongue for a 69she seemed to like it but not too much. We started in missionary, and when I felt close to coming, I took her in doggy and came almost immediately. 1000 B + 200 B tip.

**Day X. Girl 1 (32 years old) : Soi Honey. I made sure to book with xxx an hour before leaving my place. She said okay, she was happy to see me. At 1:30 PM, as I head out, I message her to say I'm on my way; she replies that she's waiting and free. I get to the massage shop not even 10 minutes later, and the mamasan tells me she's not available, she's with a customer, and I should come back in half an hour (yeah, sure, sweetheart, I'll do that). So I had to change my plans urgently, which I didn't appreciate, and girls who pull this kind of stunt don't see me again. She's been sending apology messages since, but the issue is her reliability is now zero for me, and I'm not ready to book with her again or even go see her.
Anyway, I head back to Soi Honey and see my little yyy sitting nicely in front of her massage shop. We greet each other, and I walk on. Then I remember she gives amazing massages, excellent blowjobs, has a cute face, and is sweet. So I turn back, and we head upstairs to the first floor. No regrets: the massage, the blowjob, I take her in missionary, I crush her a bit and slightly smother her with my belly (not on purpose, but it turns me on anyway), and I finish her in doggy. Really a great session. 1300 B + 200 B tip.

Posting this here because Ban Chang is not too far from Pattaya and apparently a destination for occasional pub crawls organized from time to time by Pattaya bar proprietors / customers.

I ran across a video about the bar scene in this small town and decided to take a look at some other videos. All publishers of same had generally positive opinions of the place; none recommended it for more than one of two nights. Still, the video producers seemed to be welcomed by the bar girls who sit out in the open. The bars seem to be strictly beer bars with no go go options. Maybe 20-25 bars clustered together along one section of road. Convenient.

Titles of YouTube videos to view:

Pattaya Side Trip. Ban Chang Bar Crawl.

Ban Chang Wow'4 K.

Is Ban Chang a place to visit away from Pattaya?

Ban Chang Bar Crawl & Las Vegas Opening CONFIRMED.

The girls working these places are rated by me as generally 3. 7 to 5. 5, though a 6 or 6+ might be spotted. Those numbers refer only to my assessment of looks; do not reflect extra points that might be added for attitude.

I'm curious to know if anybody here has personal information that he might be willing to share with respect to Ban Chang.

Sam.

How is the action with the girls in the holiday season, Christmas & New Years? I'm used to traveling to Latin American countries where Christmas & Easter are the worst of the year. Is business about normal, bustling because it is high season, or I will be hard pressed to find a massage or bar girl wanting to make me smile on Christmas eve etc. ? I'm retired now so I can go anytime and spending an untraditional holiday season in the arms of many Thai girls sounds appealing. Please advise, stay or go?

**Some quick fuck reports:

**Day before yesterday - 30 years old: Soi 13/1. I'the seen her a few times passing by; I liked her fairly pale skin for a Thai and her cute little face. Kind, attentive, and smiling. Started off great. A firm back pre-massage, then oil. Really good for the back. Unfortunately, she didn't do the legs, flipped me over, and started a blowjobI can't blame her. She pulled down her top and hiked up her skirt without undressing, which I don't like; I prefer fucking a naked woman here. Had to ask her to remove her bra to enjoy her nice tits, but she kept her skirt on. We weren't going to spend all afternoon, so I started fucking her. Penetration was a bit tough, but I was horny. Another day, it might've made me go soft. Flipped her over and finished in doggy quickly; I needed to get off. 1500 B, no tip low season, that price is a bit high unless they really earn it.

**Yesterday - 35 years old: Soi near the beach. My current favorite; I see her every other day, which is rare for me since I usually switch it up. She messages me daily but never overdoes it. Quite tactful for a tattooed girl. Amazing back massage, legs front and back, a fantastic blowjob that gave me uncontrollable twitches, missionary, and I came in doggy without delay. I'the gotten worked up beforehand and took a 50 MG sildenafil. She's pretty well-built, the naughty little thing. I like her thighsnice and full but not too much, well-shaped, just how I like them. She said today she gets lots of customers but I'm the only one she's this attentive with and messages so much. Given her profession, I took it positively, it's a big responsibility for me. It was sweet anyway. 1000 B + 200 B tip.

**Today - 33 years old: Reconnected via Facebook, had her come to my room. Kind and punctual. I remembered her body as better; this time she seemed a bit too skinny for me but still very fuckable. Long blowjob that could've gone on if I hadn't stopped her to take her in missionary, then doggy. Didn't last long before I came. Typical story for this girl. Met her years ago at a massage parlor in Soi Chayapoon. Kind, pretty, gorgeous smile. Lost track of her. She met a farang who got her pregnant. She left Pattaya to focus on her kid. Saw happy Facebook posts about her joy, then two years later, posts of tears and betrayalthe dream fell apart, and he left her to fend for herself with her child, not very glorious. She's back in Pattaya, working the bars again. I get the bitterness of farangs fleeced by a pretty Thai, but the reverse is true toosome foreigners have no scruples. That's why condoms have a double purpose: avoiding STDs and not getting a girl pregnant, especially if you are not sure to take responsibility. 1000 B + 200 B tip.

So I went around town yesterday and I'll give some thoughts. I was on Soi 6 early in the day looking for a ST. My MO is to get straight to the action I don't like to buy them a bunch of drinks or sit around drinking with them to me Soi 6 is for fucking not drinking. There had been a lot of talk of minimum drink spend but yesterday that wasn't the case I simply saw a chick with a body type I liked and ask for st no drinks purchased. To me it's best visit this street during the day as it not crowded and just a just waiting around bored. At night the street is packed with mongers and non mongers. I'd read that Las Vegas gogo had a bunch of hot chicks now I don't know if I read it here or on the Pattaya site but I went in last night and that wasn't the case.

[QUOTE=Shemp;3010778]How is the action with the girls in the holiday season, Christmas & New Years? I'm used to traveling to Latin American countries where Christmas & Easter are the worst of the year. Is business about normal, bustling because it is high season, or I will be hard pressed to find a massage or bar girl wanting to make me smile on Christmas eve etc. ? I'm retired now so I can go anytime and spending an untraditional holiday season in the arms of many Thai girls sounds appealing. Please advise, stay or go?[/QUOTE]I hit up Colombia a lot but during the holidays, most of the girls hang out with family. Xmass and new years is the worse time to hit up a Catholic country for boom boom. Thank God there is Thailand. The weather is amazing, the girls are out in full force, and so are all the cheap mongers from India. LOL.

Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;3010769]Posting this here because Ban Chang is not too far from Pattaya and apparently a destination for occasional pub crawls organized from time to time by Pattaya bar proprietors / customers.

I ran across a video about the bar scene in this small town and decided to take a look at some other videos. All publishers of same had generally positive opinions of the place; none recommended it for more than one of two nights. Still, the video producers seemed to be welcomed by the bar girls who sit out in the open. The bars seem to be strictly beer bars with no go go options. Maybe 20-25 bars clustered together along one section of road. Convenient.

Titles of YouTube videos to view:

Pattaya Side Trip. Ban Chang Bar Crawl.

Ban Chang Wow'4 K.

Is Ban Chang a place to visit away from Pattaya?

Ban Chang Bar Crawl & Las Vegas Opening CONFIRMED.

The girls working these places are rated by me as generally 3. 7 to 5. 5, though a 6 or 6+ might be spotted. Those numbers refer only to my assessment of looks; do not reflect extra points that might be added for attitude.

I'm curious to know if anybody here has personal information that he might be willing to share with respect to Ban Chang.

Sam.[/QUOTE]I have been to Ban Chang many times. The ladies are similar to Pattaya, it can be hit or miss. It's good for an overnighter, and there are hotels on Soi 25 close to the bars.

Bolt taxi will get you from Pattaya to Ban Chang for less than 500 baht.

[QUOTE=Shemp;3010778]How is the action with the girls in the holiday season, Christmas & New Years? I'm used to traveling to Latin American countries where Christmas & Easter are the worst of the year. Is business about normal, bustling because it is high season, or I will be hard pressed to find a massage or bar girl wanting to make me smile on Christmas eve etc. ? I'm retired now so I can go anytime and spending an untraditional holiday season in the arms of many Thai girls sounds appealing. Please advise, stay or go?[/QUOTE]Thailand is a Buddhist country. They do not give a shit about Christian holidays. And even on Buddhist holidays only places that serve alcohol are closed. There are thousands of chicks to fuck in Pattaya. If you can not find at least 800 to fuck on any given day of the year, then the problem is not them.

[QUOTE=TravelingMan3;3010805]I was on Soi 6 early in the day looking for a ST. My MO is to get straight to the action I don't like to buy them a bunch of drinks or sit around drinking with them to me Soi 6 is for fucking not drinking. There had been a lot of talk of minimum drink spend but yesterday that wasn't the case[/QUOTE]They only say that to guys that they would rather not fuck. I have never had a chick on Soi 6 say that I needed to buy drinks before boom boom.

[QUOTE=Shemp;3010778]How is the action with the girls in the holiday season, Christmas & New Years? I'm used to traveling to Latin American countries where Christmas & Easter are the worst of the year. Is business about normal, bustling because it is high season, or I will be hard pressed to find a massage or bar girl wanting to make me smile on Christmas eve etc. ? I'm retired now so I can go anytime and spending an untraditional holiday season in the arms of many Thai girls sounds appealing. Please advise, stay or go?[/QUOTE]Be warned that it's high season, prices will be high, hotels will be full and so will the bars. It will be fun.

I came back to Paris with chlamydia from my May trip to Pattaya. After getting tested and treated in Paris, I wanted to get retested to be sure I was clear during my current trip. After reading ISG reviews, I decided to give it a try. I went to the Buakhouw Clinic on Soi Buakhaow (various spellings of the name), not far from the Soi LK entrance. I'the passed by it dozens of times without noticing it, thinking it was just a rundown pharmacy.

Here's how it went today :
- Entered the clinic at 4:00 PM.
- Blood test and urine sample for HIV, syphilis, chlamydia, and gonorrhea.
- Paid 1,100 THB and provided my details: passport (smartphone screen copy is enough) and Line for results.
- Left the clinic at 4:10 PM (the longest part was peeing in the cup).
- Received results via Line at 5:05 PM.

I'm honestly impressed by the efficiency and value for money. Sure, STD testing might be a local specialty, but still. In Paris, I'the have had to: 1) wait at least half an hour in the waiting room, get tested, and wait 3-4 days for results, assuming no weekend in between.

Thanks to all the ISG friends (Mr Enternational, Littlebigman, and all the others) for sharing their great tips!

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;3010973]I'm honestly impressed by the efficiency and value for money. Sure, STD testing might be a local specialty, but still. In Paris, I'the have had to: 1) wait at least half an hour in the waiting room, get tested, and wait 3-4 days for results, assuming no weekend in between.[/QUOTE]That is what I love about Thailand in general. They may do a lot of other stuff that leaves us westerners scratching our heads, but when it comes to service they do not bullshit around. I can take my motorbike to the mechanic and he fixes it on the spot. (One time the mf took the entire thing apart right before my eyes and it only ended up being like 300 baht.) I can take my computer to get fixed and they tell me to come back in 1 hour. At 2 pm, I can tell my cleaning lady to come at 6 pm.

My friend just returned from Pattaya and says the Thai beers cost in:

Soi 6 is 145 Baht.

Walking street is 100 baht.

Tree town and soi bukhao is 100 baht.

Let me know if this means that the girl prices will be the highest in Soi 6.

What are ST prices in the 3 areas?

[QUOTE=Visal;3011025]My friend just returned from Pattaya and says the Thai beers cost in:

Soi 6 is 145 Baht.[/QUOTE]Price of a bottle of beer in soi 6 is usually around 95 baht in most bars.

Your friend probably mixed things up, I've never seen any bar charging 145 baht for a beer in soi 6.

[QUOTE=TravelingMan3;3010805]So I went around town yesterday and I'll give some thoughts. I was on Soi 6 early in the day looking for a ST. My MO is to get straight to the action I don't like to buy them a bunch of drinks or sit around drinking with them to me Soi 6 is for fucking not drinking. There had been a lot of talk of minimum drink spend but yesterday that wasn't the case I simply saw a chick with a body type I liked and ask for st no drinks purchased. To me it's best visit this street during the day as it not crowded and just a just waiting around bored. At night the street is packed with mongers and non mongers. I'd read that Las Vegas gogo had a bunch of hot chicks now I don't know if I read it here or on the Pattaya site but I went in last night and that wasn't the case.[/QUOTE]The Hottest girls are found on Walk Street. Problem is they are spread out among the many Agogos.

If you like a girl with a Beaver face there is one at Avarice.

Kinda Hot with her overbite. Body looks Fabulous.

I can tell she isn't into me so that's that. Hahaha.

My current top 3 gogo bars in Pattaya (necessarily subjective) :

1. **Kink* Still number one. I love the slightly wild but good-natured vibe and watching the customers, especially first-timers. They often look a bit dazed, which cracks me up. Drinks are a bit pricey, but I think they're worth it. Excellent interactions with the girls—they're really skilled.

2. **Shark* I really like the layout with three stages visible from almost any spot in the gogo. The central area for the girls to rest is a great touch, keeping them in sight and part of the vibe. The lighting is very well done. Lots of young girls, sometimes a bit shy. I enjoy watching their expressions when they check themselves in the mirrors. Their interactions are often friendly with smiles, though sometimes with a hint of annoyance when we make eye contact. The music is quite punchy, and they dance with energy and conviction. Decent crowd, including Koreans and / or Japanese, which is a sign of a good spot they likely found in a guide.

3. **XS and Chick* Tied for third. I think they're part of the same group. Not many customers, at least early in the evening, which is odd because there are lots of girls, and most of them are pretty stunning.

[QUOTE=TravelingMan3;3010805]So I went around town yesterday and I'll give some thoughts. I was on Soi 6 early in the day looking for a ST. My MO is to get straight to the action I don't like to buy them a bunch of drinks or sit around drinking with them to me Soi 6 is for fucking not drinking. There had been a lot of talk of minimum drink spend but yesterday that wasn't the case I simply saw a chick with a body type I liked and ask for st no drinks purchased. To me it's best visit this street during the day as it not crowded and just a just waiting around bored. At night the street is packed with mongers and non mongers. I'd read that Las Vegas gogo had a bunch of hot chicks now I don't know if I read it here or on the Pattaya site but I went in last night and that wasn't the case.[/QUOTE]Yeah I fully agree with you. When I was younger I thought boozing up and acting a fool was cool. Now I know better, I'm maturing I guess. I'm there for one thing: to boom boom. The last thing I want is to sit in a bar buying booze for a chick, maybe 30 minutes ago she was barebacking another dude and drank his milk. These are working girls and it means they fuck for money, all good. So what's the point of sitting with them for drinks? I have a friend who does this and he tells me that it's a GFE and I can relate to his needs. But still. At the end he wants to bang.

One time in Pattaya, I met a stupid dude. He was going to bars and racking up the bar bill. He was broke and I lend him $100 usd. Another night he racked up $500 and wanted to "borrow" more money. I said no and when he could not pay, Thai cops took him to Jail.

I fully agree with you post! That's why I'm more looking forward to picking up freelancers at the beach road. No bar fine, talk with them, and if all is good, action Jackson time. Maybe some food or a drink at the local bar / restaurant.

[QUOTE=Andres901;3011325]......when he could not pay, Thai cops took him to Jail........[/QUOTE]He's lucky he was in Thailand and not Mexico.

Hi, in a few days I will be in Pattaya for the first time and I would like some information.

1) How much is Short Time & Long time in Walking Street? How much is Barfine? Are there rooms upstairs? If so, how much?

2) How much is Short Time & Long time in SOI 6? How much is Barfine? Are there rooms upstairs? If so, how much?3).

3) Which other street do you recommend where there are nice places with lots of beautiful girls in pattaya?

Soi 6 & Walking street are the most popular.

Impressions of Pattaya Trip.

So I just spent around 2 weeks in Pattaya, cut by 5 days up. In Udon Thani.

The place is still fun and I had a great time.

However it is low season and it's best one prepare for what is there:

Gogobars: no reductions in price despite low season, however it did seem as though you receive more attention from the girls.

Still, was quoted 8000 all in for long time in Walking street Gogo's. Around 6-7000 in LK metro.

What is immediately noticeable however is the drop in quality of looks in the Gogos in LK Metro from Walking street. Obvious.

Apps: Thai friendly and a premium subscription are your friends. Easily I was able to order about 3 short times for 1500 baht straight to my room. I will say however that this is not my preferred option as Service-wise the 20 year olds that arrived always would do something or not do something that would make the room less than satisfying: no kissing, no BJ without or simply be on their phone. No need to come to Thailand if it's no better than what you get at the Frankfurt red light district.

Nightclubs:

Walking street has continued it's decline to hosting not 1 but now three crappy Indian discos, which keeps them away from the main venue nightclubs: republic, insomnia / I-bar and myst.

Insomnia and ibar are as good as ever, with lots of soy 6 girls and freelancers showing up throughout the night that you can bang for a fair long time price.

What is new and fantastic is myth night which remains open and active and full after insomnia closes. You now essentially have a new last chance cafe of you are staying up this late.

For those that really hate nightclubs and so on, I would still recommend them and simply brute force them. Get a beer, do the rounds, smile, smile at every girl that strikes your fancy, approach with 'whats your name' and the usual. Pop the question. If nothing, smile, move on, repeat. Don't forget that this is not a real nightclub and these are not real pickups. You're just giving these girls the plausible deniability that they crave when doing what they do. (And many of these have a story lined up if they want to string you along. Pretend to believe it and move on)

Beer bars: I barfined at least 3 times from these bars however all. Of them seemed to be on soy 7. As for the rest, I saw the worst lineups I have ever seen, with myth night (the new made in Thailand complex) being the worst. Basically the usual shit of have your 8 girls: 1 lady boy, 5 middle aged and overweight and 1 or 2 20 year olds to lure you in, ignore you or simply blueball you once after the first drink they tell you that they only take drinks and don't take customers.

Protip: let the quality ones come to you after closing by heading to Candy Club in Tree town. Much better value for money, you can pick them up easily there, have a good time. And no need to run off to walking street.

When I first posted, I asked what had changed in the past two years, and the answer would be:

-Myth night beer bar complex.

-the republic disco in walking street.

-candy club in tree town.

-a few new Gogo's on walking street.

-no curfews at 2 am.

Fun still plenty to be had here, just be ready to think outside of the box and lay the groundwork. Pretty clear I will be back.

[QUOTE=Lanthano;3011621]Impressions of Pattaya Trip.

So I just spent around 2 weeks in Pattaya, cut by 5 days up. In Udon Thani.

The place is still fun and I had a great time.

However it is low season and it's best one prepare for what is there:

Gogobars: no reductions in price despite low season, however it did seem as though you receive more attention from the girls.

Still, was quoted 8000 all in for long time in Walking street Gogo's. Around 6-7000 in LK metro.

What is immediately noticeable however is the drop in quality of looks in the Gogos in LK Metro from Walking street. Obvious.

Apps: Thai friendly and a premium subscription are your friends. Easily I was able to order about 3 short times for 1500 baht straight to my room. I will say however that this is not my preferred option as Service-wise the 20 year olds that arrived always would do something or not do something that would make the room less than satisfying: no kissing, no BJ without or simply be on their phone. No need to come to Thailand if it's no better than what you get at the Frankfurt red light district.

Nightclubs:

Walking street has continued it's decline to hosting not 1 but now three crappy Indian discos, which keeps them away from the main venue nightclubs: republic, insomnia / I-bar and myst.

Insomnia and ibar are as good as ever, with lots of soy 6 girls and freelancers showing up throughout the night that you can bang for a fair long time price.

What is new and fantastic is myth night which remains open and active and full after insomnia closes. You now essentially have a new last chance cafe of you are staying up this late.

For those that really hate nightclubs and so on, I would still recommend them and simply brute force them. Get a beer, do the rounds, smile, smile at every girl that strikes your fancy, approach with 'whats your name' and the usual. Pop the question. If nothing, smile, move on, repeat. Don't forget that this is not a real nightclub and these are not real pickups. You're just giving these girls the plausible deniability that they crave when doing what they do. (And many of these have a story lined up if they want to string you along. Pretend to believe it and move on)

Beer bars: I barfined at least 3 times from these bars however all. Of them seemed to be on soy 7. As for the rest, I saw the worst lineups I have ever seen, with myth night (the new made in Thailand complex) being the worst. Basically the usual shit of have your 8 girls: 1 lady boy, 5 middle aged and overweight and 1 or 2 20 year olds to lure you in, ignore you or simply blueball you once after the first drink they tell you that they only take drinks and don't take customers.

Protip: let the quality ones come to you after closing by heading to Candy Club in Tree town. Much better value for money, you can pick them up easily there, have a good time. And no need to run off to walking street.

When I first posted, I asked what had changed in the past two years, and the answer would be:

-Myth night beer bar complex.

-the republic disco in walking street.

-candy club in tree town.

-a few new Gogo's on walking street.

-no curfews at 2 am.

Fun still plenty to be had here, just be ready to think outside of the box and lay the groundwork. Pretty clear I will be back.[/QUOTE]You say think outside the box. Seems like you were well in the BOX.

Can you give Examples. Sub imports Uglies from all over Thailand.

[QUOTE=SalvatoreX;3011580]Hi, in a few days I will be in Pattaya for the first time and I would like some information.

1) How much is Short Time & Long time in Walking Street? How much is Barfine? Are there rooms upstairs? If so, how much?

2) How much is Short Time & Long time in SOI 6? How much is Barfine? Are there rooms upstairs? If so, how much?3).

3) Which other street do you recommend where there are nice places with lots of beautiful girls in pattaya?

Soi 6 & Walking street are the most popular.[/QUOTE]Urgent!

*READ HERE*.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports[/URL]

[QUOTE=Lanthano;3011621]Impressions of Pattaya Trip.

So I just spent around 2 weeks in Pattaya, cut by 5 days up. In Udon Thani.

The place is still fun and I had a great time.

However it is low season and it's best one prepare for what is there:

Gogobars: no reductions in price despite low season, however it did seem as though you receive more attention from the girls.

Still, was quoted 8000 all in for long time in Walking street Gogo's. Around 6-7000 in LK metro.

What is immediately noticeable however is the drop in quality of looks in the Gogos in LK Metro from Walking street. Obvious.

Apps: Thai friendly and a premium subscription are your friends. Easily I was able to order about 3 short times for 1500 baht straight to my room. I will say however that this is not my preferred option as Service-wise the 20 year olds that arrived always would do something or not do something that would make the room less than satisfying: no kissing, no BJ without or simply be on their phone. No need to come to Thailand if it's no better than what you get at the Frankfurt red light district.

Nightclubs:

Walking street has continued it's decline to hosting not 1 but now three crappy Indian discos, which keeps them away from the main venue nightclubs: republic, insomnia / I-bar and myst.

Insomnia and ibar are as good as ever, with lots of soy 6 girls and freelancers showing up throughout the night that you can bang for a fair long time price.

What is new and fantastic is myth night which remains open and active and full after insomnia closes. You now essentially have a new last chance cafe of you are staying up this late.

For those that really hate nightclubs and so on, I would still recommend them and simply brute force them. Get a beer, do the rounds, smile, smile at every girl that strikes your fancy, approach with 'whats your name' and the usual. Pop the question. If nothing, smile, move on, repeat. Don't forget that this is not a real nightclub and these are not real pickups. You're just giving these girls the plausible deniability that they crave when doing what they do. (And many of these have a story lined up if they want to string you along. Pretend to believe it and move on)

Beer bars: I barfined at least 3 times from these bars however all. Of them seemed to be on soy 7. As for the rest, I saw the worst lineups I have ever seen, with myth night (the new made in Thailand complex) being the worst. Basically the usual shit of have your 8 girls: 1 lady boy, 5 middle aged and overweight and 1 or 2 20 year olds to lure you in, ignore you or simply blueball you once after the first drink they tell you that they only take drinks and don't take customers.

Protip: let the quality ones come to you after closing by heading to Candy Club in Tree town. Much better value for money, you can pick them up easily there, have a good time. And no need to run off to walking street.

When I first posted, I asked what had changed in the past two years, and the answer would be:

-Myth night beer bar complex.

-the republic disco in walking street.

-candy club in tree town.

-a few new Gogo's on walking street.

-no curfews at 2 am.

Fun still plenty to be had here, just be ready to think outside of the box and lay the groundwork. Pretty clear I will be back.[/QUOTE]That's my take on the situation also, 7 K total after BF 1 K, girl 5 K, drinks 1 K, 2 hours in a room in the back with rubber on. There are some cheaper ones at the East end of Soy 6: 500 BF and 1. 5-2 K the girl, but mostly unfuckable. The ones on the beach, Soy 7 and 8 are old, fat or LBs.

At the first glance there are lots of pretty girls, very few mongerers, but prices for the good ones are too high, and you're not getting much in return.

Everybody is bragging about the quality and availability even in the PH forum, where I came from, but it seems to be a very well kept secret where to find them at a reasonable rate. It seems absurd to pay them half a month salary for 2 hours of work, the equivalent of paying 2000 $ for a hooker in US.

Veterans on the ground, please share some info, I had some fun at a regular price, $100 total, but not with any stunner.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3011824]That's my take on the situation also, 7 K total after BF 1 K, girl 5 K, drinks 1 K, 2 hours in a room in the back with rubber on. There are some cheaper ones at the East end of Soy 6: 500 BF and 1. 5-2 K the girl, but mostly unfuckable. The ones on the beach, Soy 7 and 8 are old, fat or LBs.

At the first glance there are lots of pretty girls, very few mongerers, but prices for the good ones are too high, and you're not getting much in return.

Everybody is bragging about the quality and availability even in the PH forum, where I came from, but it seems to be a very well kept secret where to find them at a reasonable rate. It seems absurd to pay them half a month salary for 2 hours of work, the equivalent of paying 2000 $ for a hooker in US.

Veterans on the ground, please share some info, I had some fun at a regular price, $100 total, but not with any stunner.[/QUOTE]OMG.

You paid 5000 baht for ST? YOu should have talked down those prices. If you negotitate you get a better price. And there are proberbly many girls on soi 6 that look average that can accept 1000-1200. The place is dead and those girls can't be making any money.

I'm am going to show some pictures here to show what thais themselves pay. And belive me, its not any ficking 5000 baht for ST! Gogo bars are such a rip off and not even worth setting your foot in anymore.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3011824]That's my take on the situation also, 7 K total after BF 1 K, girl 5 K, drinks 1 K, 2 hours in a room in the back with rubber on.

but prices for the good ones are too high,

Everybody is bragging about the quality and availability even in the PH forum, where I came from, but it seems to be a very well kept secret where to find them at a reasonable rate.

Veterans on the ground, please share some info, I had some fun at a regular price, $100 total, but not with any stunner.[/QUOTE]As KL said, the only info is to negotiate. There is no place where people are going to initially tell you a price you want to hear. It is up to you to work the price out. Either that, or go back to being Young And Handsome.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;3011826]OMG.

You paid 5000 baht for ST? YOu should have talked down those prices. If you negotitate you get a better price. And there are proberbly many girls on soi 6 that look average that can accept 1000-1200. The place is dead and those girls can't be making any money.

I'm am going to show some pictures here to show what thais themselves pay. And belive me, its not any ficking 5000 baht for ST! Gogo bars are such a rip off and not even worth setting your foot in anymore.[/QUOTE]No, no, read again, that's what I'm saying: is too much, but that's what all of the stunners are asking on Soy 6. I just had a FL from TF for 1. 5 K.

The ones in the bars can stay there and wait until the next mongering season comes, and fresh meat is coming from US, EU and K willing to pay the exacerbated BFs. Just bad business, no mongerers around, and they chase away the few ones that are walking on Soy 6 scaring them away with high prices, instead of adapting and taking their cash even if it is at a discounted rate, half the money is better than nothing.

[QUOTE=Lanthano;3011621]Impressions of Pattaya Trip. . . . Gogobars: Was quoted 8,000 all-in for long time on Walking Street; around 6,000-7,000 on LK Metro. What is immediately noticeable, however, is the drop in quality of looks in LK Metro from Walking street. . . . Apps: Not my preferred option service-wise. . . . Nightclubs: Insomnia and iBar are as good as ever. Don't forget this is not a real nightclub and these are not real pickups. . . . Beer bars: Saw the worst lineups I have ever seen, with Myth Night being the worst. . . . Pro Tip: Head to Candy Club in Tree Town. Much better value for money.[/QUOTE]This, gentlemen, is how a trip report should read.

Many thanks to Khun Lanthano for taking the time to write it up. Looking forward to reading his future reports.

[QUOTE=Lanthano;3011621]Impressions of Pattaya Trip.

So I just spent around 2 weeks in Pattaya, cut by 5 days up. In Udon Thani.

The place is still fun and I had a great time.

Fun still plenty to be had here, just be ready to think outside of the box and lay the groundwork. Pretty clear I will be back.[/QUOTE]Great report my friend. It must be 10 years since you and I enjoyed a fun night in Oase! I'm a Pattaya fan for all the obvious reasons but I tend to prefer the more relaxed vibe in gents clubs. For sure the quality is not what you get in nightclubs or gogos but the whole approach / vibe / experience is so much better. And for GCs I think I actually prefer Pratumnak and Jomtien to Pattaya though I do like High Rollers. Keen to pop into the new Climax Berlin club / hotel on my next trip in September.

Hope we can meet up again for a beer and a catch up on our travels!

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;3011826]OMG.

You paid 5000 baht for ST? YOu should have talked down those prices. If you negotitate you get a better price. And there are proberbly many girls on soi 6 that look average that can accept 1000-1200. The place is dead and those girls can't be making any money.

I'm am going to show some pictures here to show what thais themselves pay. And belive me, its not any ficking 5000 baht for ST! Gogo bars are such a rip off and not even worth setting your foot in anymore.[/QUOTE]Even during high season I doubt the bottom 60% making much money.

They are just Unattractive. Hahaha. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3011902]No, no, read again, that's what I'm saying: is too much, but that's what all of the stunners are asking on Soy 6.[/QUOTE]I'm not one of those guys that because it hasn't happened to me it's not happening but 5000 for st time on soi 6 is crazy and I haven't heard about it. Now maybe if one wanted to foolishly bar fine one of those chicks LT then I've heard that being in that range. I've been living here for a few years now but I'm moving elsewhere so been going out a lot recently and town is quiet but that has really had a negative impact on looking for an acceptable chick for st as I prefer low season.

If one is willing to work or hunt for it you can find a chick as young and every bit as attractive of the girls working in most gogos in massage parlor for 1000-1500 FS. You just got to look. If your going to the tourist trap of walking street where there is a constant rotation of dudes coming in to town for as little as a weekend up to years then don't expect low prices. LK metro for example has a gogo where the bar fine was 700 or 1000 and the girls wanted 2500-3000 can't remember the number in the report I read exactly.

[QUOTE=TravelingMan3;3012103]I'm not one of those guys that because it hasn't happened to me it's not happening but 5000 for st time on soi 6 is crazy and I haven't heard about it. Now maybe if one wanted to foolishly bar fine one of those chicks LT then I've heard that being in that range. I've been living here for a few years now but I'm moving elsewhere so been going out a lot recently and town is quiet but that has really had a negative impact on looking for an acceptable chick for st as I prefer low season.

If one is willing to work or hunt for it you can find a chick as young and every bit as attractive of the girls working in most gogos in massage parlor for 1000-1500 FS. You just got to look. If your going to the tourist trap of walking street where there is a constant rotation of dudes coming in to town for as little as a weekend up to years then don't expect low prices. LK metro for example has a gogo where the bar fine was 700 or 1000 and the girls wanted 2500-3000 can't remember the number in the report I read exactly.[/QUOTE]I really tried, and I thought that maybe it says sucker on my face, because all wanted 5 K plus the addons on Soy 6, with no other tourists in sight, I didn't even bother to ask on walking st, but that's maybe the norm now, since other guys reported the same thing here lately.

If there was one that would twist my mind maybe I would get her at this inflated price, only for the convenience of easy shopping, but doing it in the back room, ST covered for that money, no thanks, for the past few days since I rediscovered TF I didn't even walked on Soy 6 anymore.

Yesterday with the storm it was a little hassle to get them to my hotel, so I tried out of curiosity the ripoff at Saba Dee soapy massage, very disappointing, and when the rain stopped I had the only good looking girl on Soy 7 for 2 K plus 500 BF for 2 and a half hours in my room, but unfortunately with a rubber on. Out of curiosity I bid up the BBFS starting at 500 and going up in 500 increments up to 2 K, and she categorically refused. I wasn't going to pay more than 500 for the extra, but there you have it: total refusal to conduct uncovered business, no matter the incentive.

Today I have a few lined up on TF in the que from yesterday, but a new one just popped up in the search and I booked her, she came immediately, she asked 1800, probably willing to negotiate it down to 1500. She had fake pics on TF, at a first glance she looked skanky because of the tattoos, but putting that aside she was better looking than the one in the pics, she was a screamer, and when she came first time he whole body was convulsing and trembling, and she pushed me away and spread in bed like a starfish for few minutes.

When we started she didn't even mentioned the rubber and she was riding me doing squats for a really long time, which is rare. Deep throat and a lot of balls sucking, weirdly she really seemed to like my balls, spent an extended amount of time attending them.

Right now on my request, she's gone looking to convince a friend of hers to do a 3 some involving mutual pussy licking and all the other nice stuff, we will have another session later.

Also included in the tonight's plan is Candy Bar or Club.

5000 b for ST in Soi6 must be the exception of the exception, and on top of that the girl must have really not liked you.

I did one yesterday for 2000 BBFS, and due to the low season and rain I'm pretty sure I could've got her down to 1500 if I tried.

However, I'm aware that as a westerner in my 40's I'm not exactly the type some girls want (the super white, young, silicone, anime face), and I'm sure they would quote me high prices because either they don't want to go with me or because that's what their customers (Koreans) normally pay. So I don't even bother.

As the rule of thumb in Soi 6 (or pretty much anywhere in Thailand), choose the ones that choose you (look for signs if necessary) and you will almost always get a good and affordable performance.

Late April - After 3 weeks in BKK, headed to Pattaya. Stayed at T Pattaya Hotel. Modern rooms. Great rates. At night, loud music coming from a Chinese or Korean club that was approx. 100 m east of hotel. My suggestion would be to ask for a room on the opposite side of the hotel, west side.

Picked up this gal on Beach Road. I was walking towards WS when I saw her. Great smile, and very cute. Twenty-two y/o. Damage was 1500B. Service was average. She stayed for a few hours. Don't remember her name.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3012176]I really tried, and I thought that maybe it says sucker on my face, because all wanted 5 K plus the addons on Soy 6, with no other tourists in sight, I didn't even bother to ask on walking st, but that's maybe the norm now, since other guys reported the same thing here lately.
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Right now on my request, she's gone looking to convince a friend of hers to do a 3 some involving mutual pussy licking and all the other nice stuff, we will have another session later.

Also included in the tonight's plan is Candy Bar or Club.[/QUOTE]Honest question: why did you go to Pattaya? You were making us all envious getting threesomes in the Philippines at very good rates. Now you are being offered individual girls for 5 KB /8600 PHP.

I will say that your pic shows things are turning around. 1800 well spent 😜.

Thanks for the honest reports.

G.

[QUOTE=Intrepid123;3012183]5000 b for ST in Soi6 must be the exception of the exception, and on top of that the girl must have really not liked you.

I did one yesterday for 2000 BBFS, and due to the low season and rain I'm pretty sure I could've got her down to 1500 if I tried.

However, I'm aware that as a westerner in my 40's I'm not exactly the type some girls want (the super white, young, silicone, anime face), and I'm sure they would quote me high prices because either they don't want to go with me or because that's what their customers (Koreans) normally pay. So I don't even bother.

As the rule of thumb in Soi 6 (or pretty much anywhere in Thailand), choose the ones that choose you (look for signs if necessary) and you will almost always get a good and affordable performance.[/QUOTE]It seems to me that about 20-30 of them didn't really liked me, and probably they hated the guts of the other guy that reported about being asked 8 K. I did 2 of them for 2 K from Soy 6 in my room, but not the stunners that I wanted.

By the way I'm a lot older and probably ugly too, but I don't really think that matters too much, they are in the business of separating you from your cash as fast and efficiently as possible, and not to fall in love with you for more than a couple of hours.

If I were any younger, and handsomer I don't think that would have been needed to come all the way to SEA to fuck hookers. So yes that's the whole idea of this business: provide services to the less fortunate ones, that cannot get it for free at home, in my case being the millage, I don't know specifics about the rest of the good looking guys roaming around.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3012195]Honest question: why did you go to Pattaya? You were making us all envious getting threesomes in the Philippines at very good rates. Now you are being offered individual girls for 5 KB /8600 PHP.

I will say that your pic shows things are turning around. 1800 well spent 😜.

Thanks for the honest reports.

G.[/QUOTE]I read a report about the low season, and about all the hookers giving it away for almost nothing before heading home to the province. Maybe the report was referring to the ones I don't like and they are cheap, or maybe I came to early. Also when I was here earlier this year, I was with the GF for a 1 week stop on the way to Cambodia, we did some sampling together, but by far not as much as I wanted to. So far I didn't pay any of the crazy prices that I was quoted for in house dining. It seems that I'm doing ok with the TF ones in the 1500 to 2000 range, I got it figured out: the idea is to catch them as soon as they go online, otherwise is an endless conversation that may not lead nowhere because probably they are juggling around the options, forming a que based on monetary gains, and backups.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3012217]So yes that's the whole idea of this business: provide services to the less fortunate ones, that cannot get it for free at home, in my case being the millage, I don't know specifics about the rest of the good looking guys roaming around.[/QUOTE]You guys really need to disabuse yourselves of the idea of "free" pussy. There's none. Women will always cost you *something*. Money, time, effort, attention, headaches.

For every stunner you see, there's some guy who is absolutely sick and tired of dealing with her and her bullshit and bored of fucking her, too.

A few bucks for 30 mins-1 HR and I'm guaranteed never to have to deal with ANY of her shit afterwards? That's a fucking bargain in my book. And if / when you want more, you pay for more. No more, no less.

[QUOTE=Intrepid123;3012183]However, I'm aware that as a westerner in my 40's I'm not exactly the type some girls want (the super white, young, silicone, anime face), and I'm sure they would quote me high prices because either they don't want to go with me or because that's what their customers (Koreans) normally pay. So I don't even bother.[/QUOTE]Man you do not know that shit. You know how many women are single because guys assume shit and do not bother? The same as every guy on here likes different things in women, those chicks like different things in men. You can not assume that because a chick is known for x then she will not go for why. She might be sitting there the entire time hoping a guy like you would approach her. Hell you might end up fucking the chick for free while everybody else pays 5000 baht. Don't count yourself out before you even get in the game.

[QUOTE=ChrisD1680;3012220]You guys really need to disabuse yourselves of the idea of "free" pussy. There's none. Women will always cost you *something*. Money, time, effort, attention, headaches.

For every stunner you see, there's some guy who is absolutely sick and tired of dealing with her and her bullshit and bored of fucking her, too.

A few bucks for 30 mins-1 HR and I'm guaranteed never to have to deal with ANY of her shit afterwards? That's a fucking bargain in my book. And if / when you want more, you pay for more. No more, no less.[/QUOTE]That's what I'm saying, I can't get it for free anymore, so I'm willing to pay for it, I find it righteous.

[QUOTE=ChrisD1680;3012220]You guys really need to disabuse yourselves of the idea of "free" pussy. There's none. Women will always cost you *something*. Money, time, effort, attention, headaches.[/QUOTE]That is being disingenuous. By that token since you have to buy a car, pay for gas and insurance, and buy clothes to wear to work then why even get a job? [B]Life[/B] costs money, time, effort, attention, and headaches. So why even live?

I for one enjoy the companionship of a normal woman and do not just need them to stick my dick into. And if you know how to manage them properly, then you do not have to spend all the money, time, effort, attention, and get the headaches.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3012224]

I for one enjoy the companionship of a normal woman and do not just need them to stick my dick into. [/QUOTE]Two week millionaires don't believe it but, for guys living in Asia, a platonic dinner with a normal girl who can hold a conversation can be a welcome reprieve from constantly having pussy thrown at you.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3012223]That's what I'm saying, I can't get it for free anymore, so I'm willing to pay for it, I find it righteous.[/QUOTE]Guys get criticised for paying $100 for a few hours entertainment. Yet loosing life savings, the house, kids and / or 30 years of 12 hour work days is perfectly acceptable.

G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3012264]Two week millionaires don't believe it but, for guys living in Asia, a platonic dinner with a normal girl who can hold a conversation can be a welcome reprieve from constantly having pussy thrown at you.[/QUOTE]In my experience in Thailand that normal girl with whom you had a platonic dinner can end up throwing her pussy at you. I'm not too sure about holding a conversation though.

[QUOTE=Turgid;3012290]In my experience in Thailand that normal girl with whom you had a platonic dinner can end up throwing her pussy at you. I'm not too sure about holding a conversation though.[/QUOTE]I don't have a lot of good girl experience in Thailand. Elsewhere, it was a perfectly normal to be told point blank that she's happy to go out but it's just dinner and she would mean it. However, you are correct: after the second or third date, all bets were off.

G.

To my surprise, it's like living in a simulation, I can't sleep, I opened the laptop to write about last night, and to my surprise the topic of the report it's being discussed. WTF. I just banged a civilian.

Last night I went to Myth area to check the Candy Club that somebody suggested.

Candy had lots of good looking babes, but they were all sitting with a dude, and it looked to me that is BYO, I may be wrong.

I roamed thru the Myth bars, from a thousand girls, I found only 2 to my liking, one didn't want to BF, and the other one asked 4 K plus the addons, I wished her good luck and I left.

On my way back to Candy to check out if the situation has changed, I ran into this middle aged chick, that I saw few times already walking around, kind out of place, and exchanged looks with her already, because her clothes didn't fit the surroundings. She was carrying a bottle of beer sipping out of it, because I almost bumped into her I apologized, and started to chitchat, perfect english, with heavy accent. I invited her for another beer at one of the pool bars that wasn't so noisy.

She was chinese, working as a tour guide for a korean travel agency, and was in Pattaya for the first time, this being her 4th day, and was just exploring around. Her normal route was BKK, she can speak fluent english, korean, thai and of course chinese. Better looking than all around us, but too old for me, 42 or 45, she gave me both ages in 2 different occasions, short hair above shoulders, and extremely well kept face. She proposed to walk away from there to someplace quiet. We ended up by the beach in front of Central eating corn together from a cup, talking bullshit and touching eachother. In my mind was a conflict going on: she was good looking but too old, but believed or not I didn't had a woman over 30 since 2012 when I divorced my first wife (second one was 22 and I exchanged her for newer models when she got 30), so out of curiosity, and as an experiment I started playing along, because she was the one hitting on me.

We ended up in my hotel room, having sex, condom only, but we stopped so many times for her to go to the bathroom and wash, and changed condoms, and too much talking about her 2 kids 22 and 24 studying at the university in Vietnam, and about her parents, that my dick died, and she couldn't revive it. Her blowjob skills were exquisite, but every time she put a condom on my dick it died, so she did more BJ but after a while she said that her mouth hurts and cannot continue, the truth being that she had the tiniest mouth to face ratio I ever seen.

The night ended in disappointment for me, and for her because she got to the conclusion that's something wrong with her body this being why she can't make me stay erect, which was actually true, but wasn't the looks. She had tiny tits, but I'm not crazy about huge ones, but her body was better looking than a 20 yo with a curvature belly to butt, so the body was not the problem but the condom, the constant nagging and the bathroom breaks. It ended up with her in front of the mirror applying lotion from her bag to her whole body for about half hour and more talking. She asked me to go with her to the beach today to some place south of Pattaya, but I politely declined invoking something that I have to do. And that was my first and last freebie for this year, an interesting experience that reminded me why the heck I'm in SEA banging 20 yo and not hags in the neighborhood bars in US. Also good that she forgot or avoided exchanging phone numbers, I would had given her my thai nr that's going to be switched of in a few days anyway.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3012219]I read a report about the low season, and about all the hookers giving it away for almost nothing before heading home to the province. Maybe the report was referring to the ones I don't like and they are cheap, or maybe I came to early. Also when I was here earlier this year, I was with the GF for a 1 week stop on the way to Cambodia, we did some sampling together, but by far not as much as I wanted to. So far I didn't pay any of the crazy prices that I was quoted for in house dining. It seems that I'm doing ok with the TF ones in the 1500 to 2000 range, I got it figured out: the idea is to catch them as soon as they go online, otherwise is an endless conversation that may not lead nowhere because probably they are juggling around the options, forming a que based on monetary gains, and backups.[/QUOTE]Thai bargirl logic: during Low Season when there are fewer customers, charge more to make up the difference.

I don't like having to take the girls all the way back to my hotel near Central Festival.

Are there any gentlemen's clubs (GC's) on Walking Street?

Are there any clubs on Walking Street with on site action?

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3012308]
Her blowjob skills were exquisite [/QUOTE]I'm often visiting Chinese hookers in my country (Netherlands), even though 95% of them are (well) over 35 yo, and their blowjob skills are indeed amazing.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3012308]
so the body was not the problem but the condom [/QUOTE]Did you tell her that the condom was the problem?

[QUOTE=Mogwai;3012342]I'm often visiting Chinese hookers in my country (Netherlands), even though 95% of them are (well) over 35 yo, and their blowjob skills are indeed amazing.[/QUOTE]China remains one of the few places where hookers actually go to school to learn techniques and how to please. Calling it school may be an exaggeration but they are definitely taught skills and methods. Hence the Red Rope massages, Fire and Ice BJs etc.

Contrast these with the local girls who rely on past boyfriends, word of mouth from other girls and watching porn.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3012308]

WTF. I just banged a civilian.

In my mind was a conflict going on: she was good looking but too old, but believed or not I didn't had a woman over 30 since 2012 when I divorced my first wife (second one was 22 and I exchanged her for newer models when she got 30), so out of curiosity, and as an experiment I started playing along, because she was the one hitting on me.

[/QUOTE]Well not so great outcome (for you), but you still had some nice time.

On a friendly note, you may consider modifying your user name to 'Old and Not Ugly', because she was hitting on you. Just Joking.

Your reports are well written, genuine (But as some wise members suggested in the past; 'Take it with a grain of salt') and subtle humour incorporated in them. Thanks for sharing this field report on freebie experience. Cheers.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;3012309]Thai bargirl logic: during Low Season when there are fewer customers, charge more to make up the difference.[/QUOTE]I've never Experienced this. Prices remain Static no Matter what season.

My Hotels don't raise prices in low season either. Hahaha. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;3012322]I don't like having to take the girls all the way back to my hotel near Central Festival.

Are there any gentlemen's clubs (GC's) on Walking Street?

Are there any clubs on Walking Street with on site action?[/QUOTE]There are short time rooms on Walking Street.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3012219]I read a report about the low season, and about all the hookers giving it away for almost nothing before heading home to the province. Maybe the report was referring to the ones I don't like and they are cheap, or maybe I came to early. Also when I was here earlier this year, I was with the GF for a 1 week stop on the way to Cambodia, we did some sampling together, but by far not as much as I wanted to. So far I didn't pay any of the crazy prices that I was quoted for in house dining. It seems that I'm doing ok with the TF ones in the 1500 to 2000 range, I got it figured out: the idea is to catch them as soon as they go online, otherwise is an endless conversation that may not lead nowhere because probably they are juggling around the options, forming a que based on monetary gains, and backups.[/QUOTE]Who's advice are you taking seriously. Giving it away Free before going home tend Buffalo. Hahaha.

You don't pick up Girls at Candy Club. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;3012322]I don't like having to take the girls all the way back to my hotel near Central Festival.

Are there any gentlemen's clubs (GC's) on Walking Street?

Are there any clubs on Walking Street with on site action?[/QUOTE]Soy 6 is closer to your hotel, and they all have rooms in the back, actually is harder and pricier to take them to your hotel. I don't know if WS has the same logistics, but being from Vegas I know how a tourist trap looks like, and I stay away from it.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;3012309]Thai bargirl logic: during Low Season when there are fewer customers, charge more to make up the difference.[/QUOTE]You hit the nail in the head!

Around 8 in the morning I got this one, 1500 with condom, tight pussy, good BJ but a lot chubbier than the pic from her profile. I don't know if they are on a rapid fattening diet, or there is an app that makes you slimmer without being obvious, but the pic was hers.

I did a daytime walk on Soy 6 to see the merchandise on display in broad daylight, and to tell you the truth most of the girls are unfuckable from my perspective, just like in the PH, as soon as they come across some dough, their first priority is to eat like little piglets. They are all fucking fat with a few stunners mixed in-between.

On TF I'm flooded with requests to meet from 35+ ladies, some good looking, and some hags, but after last night's experience with a geriatric, I avoid them like the plague, the older they get, the more rotten their brains become, better to get them in their early 20's while they still have blanks to fill upstairs.

Right now I have a mental debate, if for the early evening session should I order delivery from TF or go sample the goods hands on before purchasing. The view from afar is fogging my brain, and they are luring me into the depth, like the sirens, and I know it that once I'm close by the perception will change.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3012405]Around 8 in the morning I got this one, 1500 with condom, tight pussy, good BJ but a lot chubbier than the pic from her profile. I don't know if they are on a rapid fattening diet, or there is an app that makes you slimmer without being obvious, but the pic was hers.

I did a daytime walk on Soy 6 to see the merchandise on display in broad daylight, and to tell you the truth most of the girls are unfuckable from my perspective, just like in the PH, as soon as they come across some dough, their first priority is to eat like little piglets. They are all fucking fat with a few stunners mixed in-between.

On TF I'm flooded with requests to meet from 35+ ladies, some good looking, and some hags, but after last night's experience with a geriatric, I avoid them like the plague, the older they get, the more rotten their brains become, better to get them in their early 20's while they still have blanks to fill upstairs.

Right now I have a mental debate, if for the early evening session should I order delivery from TF or go sample the goods hands on before purchasing. The view from afar is fogging my brain, and they are luring me into the depth, like the sirens, and I know it that once I'm close by the perception will change.[/QUOTE]The average Thai woman is short and "curvy". The taller and slimer they are the higher the odds of then not actually being a woman. We used to joke when I worked in China that Chinese girls were always hungry. Thai girls are the same. They eat a lot. LOL.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3012405]after last night's experience with a geriatric, I avoid them like the plague [/QUOTE]Geriatric is usually considered 65 yrs and older. You said she was in her 40's.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3012435]Geriatric is usually considered 65 yrs and older. You said she was in her 40's.[/QUOTE]Joking. Everything over 30 should be considered geriatric, when mongering.

But tonight I did it again, I fucked a 35 yo lady selling produce from Isan. I passed her cart, and I had to fend an incoming car on a narrow street, I don't know the Soy nr. And bam! When I saw her body that was hiding behind the cart, tall toned, nice butt, nice boobs, my brain froze, I continued walking, then I turned around and walked back to her, waited until a customer finished buying some green leafy stuff, and with the risk of being slapped or yelled at, I made my move, first a compliment, then some chitchat as much as her english permitted then I asked her directly if she wants to go with me to my hotel, she was giggling then said yes. Left the cart with the lady selling dry fish next to her, and she told me that she needs to be back by 4 am when they go back to wherever they stay overnight. Was only around 9 pm, so that was no problem. We didn't talked money yet, but in the jeepney / bus on the way to the hotel she asked how much I'm going to give her, and I was going to say 2 K, but she continued saying 1 K, I said yes of course. She's a 35 yo farmer from Isan, no kids, no husband, (looked 25 to me) comes to Pattaya to sell produce, and stays 1-4 days until she sells everything then goes back, and returns next week, or after a week, I didn't get it exactly.

When unwrapped she had an amazing toned and tanned body, and when she let her hair down it was like a dream come true. She fucked me like there is no tomorrow for hours, moaning and saying something in thai. She liked to kiss a lot and was sticking her tongue in my mouth, which is ok. , but it feels weird because that's my job. I think this one was the best one so far despite her being a geriatric. I didn't ask, but I suspect she wasn't properly fucked in a long time. No condom mentioned.

I gave her 2 k for the amazing performance. She just left not long ago, around 1 am, and I'm thinking to go get a masseuse and bring her in my room for a relaxing naked massage (she needs to be naked also) no sex, then go to sleep, I'm also hungry, but I shouldn't eat this late. While in TH I constantly have this fear of the masseuse being a LB if she looks too good. On TF I have 16 unread messages, but I didn't opened them.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;3012362]I've never Experienced this. Prices remain Static no Matter what season.

My Hotels don't raise prices in low season either.[/QUOTE]Finally agree with this guy on something. I think many people are having false memory if they say the prices are different from season to season. The only difference is the amount of tourists in town. The prices stay the same.

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;3012427]The average Thai woman is short and "curvy". The taller and slimer they are the higher the odds of then not actually being a woman. We used to joke when I worked in China that Chinese girls were always hungry. Thai girls are the same. They eat a lot. LOL.[/QUOTE]Filipinas are the same, their favorite is Jolly Bee, spaghetti with ketchup. About the height: lately allover SEA girls are getting taller, it must be something in the food, also their feet are getting bigger, making it impossible to use it as a warning sign, my GF in PH is tall and her shoes are one size bigger than mine (but narrow), also my first wife which was taller than me had bigger feet than mine, I wear 41 W. When I grew up smaller feet were a normal feature for the ladies.

Well since the talk is about Chinese, I asked my girlfriend why these chicks always wear pajamas outside then have to go back in getting in the bed with clothes they wore outside. She said it is a poor Chinese thing. Poor people can not afford pajamas, so it is kind of a status symbol to go outside showing people they have pajamas.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3012464]Well since the talk is about Chinese, I asked my girlfriend why these chicks always wear pajamas outside then have to go back in getting in the bed with clothes they wore outside. She said it is a poor Chinese thing. Poor people can not afford pajamas, so it is kind of a status symbol to go outside showing people they have pajamas.[/QUOTE]In US I think is because the girls are too lazy to change when they go short shopping at Walmart after midnight.

When I stepped out of the hotel there was a short girl exiting the hotel across the street, and she was walking in the same direction, so being the only 2 souls on the street, I asked her where she was going, and she said to the pharmacy next door, but the place was closed, I suggested 7-11 around the corner, while walking I asked what she was doing in the hotel, if she's a tourist or she's visiting someone, but she told me that's not a hotel, is apartments and she lives there, next she asked about me, and I said that I'm looking for a masseuse, and jokingly I asked if she knows how to give massages, and if she's willing to give me one, the answer was yes, how much you pay? That answer triggered the next question: for 1000, are you going to give me a naked one, she said sure, but no boom boom. Ok anyway I was tired.

After 7-11 where she bought something for face washing with vitamin see and baby oil, she grabbed my hand and we came to my room, tiny little thing, with well proportioned but small body, and full of tattoos, also a geriatric like the one before her, around 30 but for massage was ok. She spoke well english, told me that she has an american boyfriend for 7 years now, and he's 82 yo.

She gave an unexpectedly good strong massage, and after she played with my dick for a while, she asked me to lick her pussy, weird request out of nowhere, but I obliged, she came twice, then got dressed got paid and she left. Weird. No pics. And now is 4.30 am.

1,000 for Vegetable Lady sounds legit. Hahaha 🤣. Haha.

Can you guys show Faces. Price begins with Facial.

P.S. Is short and Curvy aka Fat?

Is tall and curvy akaFat?

Oppas Bar. Wow. What a Head turner. Looked Mixed. Not for Indian s I presume. Hahaha.

Might have to get a 75 baht drink there. Yes she was Hot.

Today out of curiosity I walked across the street to the hotel that's actually apartments with a receptionist, and the sign says "serviced apartments", and I asked details.

They rent by the month, and the smallest one is 35 K / month and is only one room and bathroom, no kitchen, probably it was a hotel before.

I think that's kind of expensive, especially for 1 room, not on the beach, the hotel where I'm staying is cheaper, has big rooms, and probably if rented by the month is most likely to cost even less that the 800/ day that I'm paying now for a deluxe room. The girl from early morning was not lying about the 82 yo boyfriend, because in no way can she afford that. Maybe he's paying her rent, or they live together there. I still don't understand the 1 K massage at 3 am.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;3012507]1,000 for Vegetable Lady sounds legit. Hahaha 🤣. Haha.

Can you guys show Faces. Price begins with Facial.

P.S. Is short and Curvy aka Fat?

Is tall and curvy akaFat?[/QUOTE]Your definition may vary. Short and curvy to me means they have an ass and tits. They also may have a love handle or two, but their waist will be much narrower than their boobs and ass. I would not call them fat. There are lots of fat girls in Thailand and their waist will stick out as far as their tits. To be honest my definition of fats varies with how long I have been in Thailand. If I just arrived from the USA they will all look slim, LOL. The longer I am in Thailand the more my definition of fat changes.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3012460]Finally agree with this guy on something. I think many people are having false memory if they say the prices are different from season to season. The only difference is the amount of tourists in town. The prices stay the same.[/QUOTE]I know low season has hit Pattaya when I see the price of 1-hour foot massage drop to 200 baht (outside Beach Road, where it will drop to 250).

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3012221]Man you do not know that shit. You know how many women are single because guys assume shit and do not bother? The same as every guy on here likes different things in women, those chicks like different things in men. You can not assume that because a chick is known for x then she will not go for why. She might be sitting there the entire time hoping a guy like you would approach her. Hell you might end up fucking the chick for free while everybody else pays 5000 baht. Don't count yourself out before you even get in the game.[/QUOTE]That can be true, but there are also a few girls in the soi that are super spoiled by Koreans who buy them 50 shots before taking them out on LT and paying who knows how much (plus shopping and fine dining). Those won't be going for a 1 drink + 2 k ST because they know Koreans are lining up for the "privilege" to s̶I̶m̶p̶ be with them.

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;3012519]Your definition may vary. Short and curvy to me means they have an ass and tits. They also may have a love handle or two, but their waist will be much narrower than their boobs and ass. I would not call them fat. There are lots of fat girls in Thailand and their waist will stick out as far as their tits. To be honest my definition of fats varies with how long I have been in Thailand. If I just arrived from the USA they will all look slim, LOL. The longer I am in Thailand the more my definition of fat changes.[/QUOTE]I like only skinny, bordering on athletic, and tall if possible, therefore I'm ok with small size tits, because that's the norm on this type of body, if the tit size is bigger I like it of course, but that's not a must. Everything that exceeds that is chubby or fat to me, and I don't want it unless I'm somehow forced by the circumstances like it was yesterday morning when the girl from TF showed up, was pretty, the one from the pics, but chubbier. What was I supposed to do, lose all that time I invested into the rendezvous? And I didn't had a clear picture until we were naked, kissing and aroused.

Today my first session was at 1 pm, with a shy student from TF, I chose her for her unappealing profile pic, where you can kind of guess that something is hiding underneath the wrapper. I was right: great body, angelic face but no tits, mine are bigger.

I think was her first job, she came with a hat, mask and fake glasses on, and she was kind of shacking, and had a tremor in her voice. After we started fucking she came back to normal. Condom, 1500.

I don't know if I can squeeze another session before leaving for the airport later on.

[QUOTE=Intrepid123;3012558]That can be true, but there are also a few girls in the soi that are super spoiled by Koreans who buy them 50 shots before taking them out on LT and paying who knows how much (plus shopping and fine dining). Those won't be going for a 1 drink + 2 k ST because they know Koreans are lining up for the "privilege" to s̶I̶m̶p̶ be with them.[/QUOTE]These Mythical Korean Men.

MeThinks most are like us. Price Matters.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3012518]Today out of curiosity I walked across the street to the hotel that's actually apartments with a receptionist, and the sign says "serviced apartments", and I asked details.

They rent by the month, and the smallest one is 35 K / month and is only one room and bathroom, no kitchen, probably it was a hotel before.

I think that's kind of expensive,[/QUOTE]That is ridiculously expensive. I have never heard of one costing that much. There are tons of places like that though. If you see "apartment" then that is what it is. I live in one. You can pay 500/ day or by the week. You can also pay monthly. Or like me you can have a long term contract. Mine is a 1 year contract so I pay 4500/ month. I made my own kitchen during covid since I had a taste for stuff like grilled cheese and steak and most places were closed. The difference in "apartment" and "condo" is that condo has at least a stove and sink for cooking.

[QUOTE=Intrepid123;3012558]That can be true, but there are also a few girls in the soi that are super spoiled by Koreans who buy them 50 shots before taking them out on LT and paying who knows how much (plus shopping and fine dining)..[/QUOTE]LOL. These Korean tales keep growing and growing. Next there will be a talk of Korean guys buying Mercedes for chicks. The 50 shots you can see. But if a guy leaves with a chick, how would you know whether it is short time or long time? How would you know if he is taking her shopping or out to eat? And you definitely do not know how much he agreed to pay.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cos_tfojfZM[/URL]

Just posting, as this topic comes up every so often.

Makes sense to me!

Can she be fixed.

Playpen aka remember Baitoey.

Newbie Looks fresh off the farm. Easily top 3% in looks. What makes this one unusual is she has top 3%body too. Proportionate be Cupps.

Just for research I started out with how old are you? Never seen such a sour face. Didn't even get an answer. Fail fail.

As I was leaving a Shaggy type got off his bike and took her for a Drink. Not long later I was at another bar and I see Shaggy drive by. I'm thin8 king he got the cold shoulder too.

This Girl could make so much money. She just needs guidance. She has the goods. Looks wise. Needs to mature. In pleasing customers.

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002;3012684][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cos_tfojfZM[/URL]

Just posting, as this topic comes up every so often.

Makes sense to me![/QUOTE]Thanks for that link.

With regard to prostitution in Thailsnd, "What consenting adults do behind closed doors is their own business" and not illegal or a crime.

That American-born then naturalized Thai citizen attorney nailed it and so did the Bangkok Post article that triggered his commentary on the topic.

Really, every reference and term he stated on the act of prostitution between consenting adults vs all the several tangential behaviors and "open and shameful" publicly observable flaunting of negotiations, peddling it without couching it behind the concept of "massage" or simply "meet ladies here" in licensed businesses, entertainment venues and so on are pretty much right there in the Thai Penal Code that has been linked and discussed here on this website many times.

Bottom Line: the act of prostitution between or among consenting adults is not illegal or a crime in Thailand.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;3012564]These Mythical Korean Men.

MeThinks most are like us. Price Matters.[/QUOTE]They are not mythical, and they will ultimately destroy Soi 6, before moving on to other areas. Same as Angeles City.

Many ladies won't leave the bar, fearing they may miss a Korean whale.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3012518]Today out of curiosity I walked across the street to the hotel that's actually apartments with a receptionist, and the sign says "serviced apartments", and I asked details.

They rent by the month, and the smallest one is 35 K / month and is only one room and bathroom, no kitchen, probably it was a hotel before.

I think that's kind of expensive, especially for 1 room, not on the beach, the hotel where I'm staying is cheaper, has big rooms, and probably if rented by the month is most likely to cost even less that the 800/ day that I'm paying now for a deluxe room. The girl from early morning was not lying about the 82 yo boyfriend, because in no way can she afford that. Maybe he's paying her rent, or they live together there. I still don't understand the 1 K massage at 3 am.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3012615]That is ridiculously expensive. I have never heard of one costing that much. There are tons of places like that though. If you see "apartment" then that is what it is. I live in one. You can pay 500/ day or by the week. You can also pay monthly. Or like me you can have a long term contract. Mine is a 1 year contract so I pay 4500/ month. I made my own kitchen during covid since I had a taste for stuff like grilled cheese and steak and most places were closed. The difference in "apartment" and "condo" is that condo has at least a stove and sink for cooking.[/QUOTE]I think this is the place that Old And Ugly was talking about: [URL]https://www.soi2inn.com[/URL].
Looks to me it's just a hotel, but they have called it "serviced apartments" to make it sound more luxury.
The daily price is 1800 Baht (room only), which is OK I think for a hotel like this. But you cannot know that for sure until you've seen it, and the site doesn't mention if taxes and housekeeping are included.
For the monthly price you can get better in Pattaya, I think.

I assume that Mr. E's apartment is not a hotel-like "serviced apartment", with a swimming pool, free wifi, 24h security, a restaurant, etcetera.

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002;3012684][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cos_tfojfZM[/URL]

Just posting, as this topic comes up every so often.

Makes sense to me![/QUOTE]A Thai attorney says that prostitution in Thailand is not illegal? Well, he has to be wrong. The legal experts on this very forum says it is illegal, because they once saw a street walker get arrested, or because a police major said they rounded up prostitutes last night, or because he uses the same restroom as real attorneys, and therefore knows the law. The lawyer on the video should get disbarred for spreading false legal information.

[QUOTE=PhilipMarlow;3012723]A Thai attorney says that prostitution in Thailand is not illegal? Well, he has to be wrong. The legal experts on this very forum says it is illegal, because they once saw a street walker get arrested, or because a police major said they rounded up prostitutes last night, or because he uses the same restroom as real attorneys, and therefore knows the law. The lawyer on the video should get disbarred for spreading false legal information.[/QUOTE]You might want to watch the video again, he explains the twist and turns. He doesn't out-right say prostitution is legal, he's basically saying it isn't prostitution when two adults agree to have sex outside of an organized business (yea, not exactly a clear picture. But it makes sense to me. As this is Thailand).

Tough Duty.

Area across KTV 66. Ugliest Bargirl ever. I mean really really Ugly.

Same bar Two Indian s offered 500 baht. One indian pay 500 or 250 each. They were Chased away. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3012690][B]Yes, that Thai attorney and the Bangkok Post sum it up quite well.[/b]
Thanks for that link.

With regard to prostitution in Thailsnd, "What consenting adults do behind closed doors is their own business" and not illegal or a crime.

That American-born then naturalized Thai citizen attorney nailed it and so did the Bangkok Post article that triggered his commentary on the topic.

Really, every reference and term he stated on the act of prostitution between consenting adults vs all the several tangential behaviors and "open and shameful" publicly observable flaunting of negotiations, peddling it without couching it behind the concept of "massage" or simply "meet ladies here" in licensed businesses, entertainment venues and so on are pretty much right there in the Thai Penal Code that has been linked and discussed here on this website many times.[/QUOTE]I saw in a repeat viewing of the video that the article he was referring to was in the Pattaya Mail and not the Bangkok Post.

I was thrown because that attorney usually riffs on articles he has read in the Bangkok Post and there was a reference to the Bangkok Post in the comments.

However, it figures that the Bangkok Post would not be the media outlet to accurately make it crystal clear and without a reasonable doubt that the basic act of exchanging sex for money, aka prostitution, between consenting adults is not illegal in Thailand and therefore not a crime in Thailand. That only certain "prostitution-related" factors are illegal. And the attorney does a very good job of listing several of them, most of which have also been mentioned on this site many times.

Instead, time and time again the Bangkok Post has shown itself to be one of those lazy journalistic entities on this subject that hears about a group of girls being rounded up on Beach Road, calls the police station, asks the first person that picks up the phone why those girls were being rounded up, the call is transferred to the Thailand Public Relations Manager or similar, who then says, "for prostitution", and that's as far as the Bangkok Post's journalistic curiosity goes, end of report.

Noble gents,

Excessive price development has been frequently discussed but the other day I got confronted with the next level rip-off: As the bars are mostly insanely loud, I wanted to go upstairs with a lady at Tomcat's but that was no longer possible for the usual 400 Tb. I was informed that I can only go upstairs after paying for three ladydrinks in addition to the kaa hong of 400 Tb. Totally outrageous. That never happened to me before, a friend of mine was asked to pay four lady drinks for that purpose in Roxy bar. They might squeeze out this money from some Korean but this policy is totally insane when the business is so slow already.

LP.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;3012719]I assume that Mr. E's apartment is not a hotel-like "serviced apartment", with a swimming pool, free wifi, 24h security, a restaurant, etcetera.[/QUOTE]If you rent by the day then the lady will come clean. If you are long term and you want her to clean then it costs like 300 baht. You also get a bed cover set if you pay by the day, but not if you are long term. No pool. There is a separate owned restaurant. We used to have nightly security but that went away some years ago. The reasons I moved into here and not another place I was considering was because of the free wifi and the elevator which the other place did not have. Back then the other place was charging 600/ month for wifi.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3012786]However, it figures that the Bangkok Post would not be the media outlet to accurately make it crystal clear and without a reasonable doubt that the basic act of exchanging sex for money, aka prostitution, between consenting adults is not illegal in Thailand and therefore not a crime in Thailand. That only certain "prostitution-related" factors are illegal. And the attorney does a very good job of listing several of them, most of which have also been mentioned on this site many times.[/QUOTE]I will buy that. The reason being is that I had a dispute with a hooker a couple of years ago. We were in the bed naked getting ready to fuck and I was about to show her something on my phone. She thought I was taking pictures of her and blew up the deal. She still wanted to get paid and I told her no way.

Long story short we ended up going to the police station. I refused to give her money and she refused to drop the issue. It is fair to assume that if she was doing something illegal, she would not want the police to settle it. Also, if she was doing something illegal, the police would have locked her up for admitting to it. So the police said if we could not come to an agreement then we would have to go to court about it. I was leaving the country the next day so I had to go ahead and give her the 1000 baht for the issue to be dropped.

The policeman wanted me to hand her the 1000 baht while he took a picture. I said no fucking way; I have seen this movie too many times. I give [B]you[/B] the 1000 baht and [B]you[/B] give it to her! I left the police station and saw one of the prettiest chicks I have ever seen heading towards Beach Road. Pity that I had to pass her up because I had had enough of Thai hookers for one night.

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002;3012765]You might want to watch the video again, he explains the twist and turns. He doesn't out-right say prostitution is legal, he's basically saying it isn't prostitution when two adults agree to have sex outside of an organized business (yea, not exactly a clear picture. But it makes sense to me. As this is Thailand).[/QUOTE]

Quote- In Thailand, prostitution itself is not explicitly illegal, but related activities like soliciting, running brothels, and pimping are.

Quote- One of the main elements of prostitution itself, has this element of in a promiscuous manner, which I would say that's akin to the term of art in the common law vernacular of open and notorious.

That's clear to me. If something is not illegal, it is legal. If the elements are not met, it's not a crime.

[QUOTE=LonePunter;3012808]Noble gents,

Excessive price development has been frequently discussed but the other day I got confronted with the next level rip-off: As the bars are mostly insanely loud, I wanted to go upstairs with a lady at Tomcat's but that was no longer possible for the usual 400 Tb. I was informed that I can only go upstairs after paying for three ladydrinks in addition to the kaa hong of 400 Tb. Totally outrageous. That never happened to me before, a friend of mine was asked to pay four lady drinks for that purpose in Roxy bar. They might squeeze out this money from some Korean but this policy is totally insane when the business is so slow already.

LP.[/QUOTE]Perhaps this is an example of raising prices when business is down. Color me Shocked. Hahaha.

Tomcats. If I recall is a Bar stocked with PMs. Portly mature.

17 at Bliss has to have best nose in Thailand. Looks Doctored but we'll done. All over sh is approaching 9 status. Yes that HOT. EZ 2 barfines a night at Nana Plaza. At Bliss I'm not so sure 9 pm there were just 4 customers. Maybe the Barfining happens after midnight when barfine drops.

Had these chicks during my recent visit to Pattaya. Above average experience, usual charges and co-operative.

-JizzyB.

Went to HA last night. Called over a cute, thin 20-something with full back and leg sleeves. They were actually well done and looked nice. Called herself Ohm. Seems a bit new, but willing to play the game. Got her a LD or two, and went upstairs. 2 K+350 for the room. Had a good time, recommend. On the way upstairs I saw there is a "speakeasy" but not sure how to get an invite. Maybe just for high-rollers?

Next night went to club fate just across the way. The selection wasn't great, but found a decent (6.5 ish) with a nice body. Only did one LD and she was down to sit and chat forever. Since she was so chill I rewarded her with the 3000 B double tequila shot, shirt comes off with the shot. She was quite happy with that. After some playing, she confessed that she could not do boom-boom because Aunt Flo was in town. I was skeptical, but she insisted she wanted to blow me and wants me to come back another day for boom-boom. Meh, whatever. She pulled the curtain and did an acceptable BJ. She was giggling as we watched a guy in the next booth getting his boom-boom on. Pushed her down to lick my nuts and finished on her face. She was quite happy with the whole process, and sat around cuddling with me for another half-hour before I took my leave. Now, catch this. When she handed me my ticket, the curtain fee + BJ fee was not on it. I'm not sure if this was intentional or an oversight. Either way, she was a good cat so I slipped 2 K baht into her bra as I left. I like the vibe of the gentleman's clubs better than the go-gos I think.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;3012894]Perhaps this is an example of raising prices when business is down. Color me Shocked. Hahaha.

Tomcats. If I recall is a Bar stocked with PMs. Portly mature.

17 at Bliss has to have best nose in Thailand. Looks Doctored but we'll done. All over sh is approaching 9 status. Yes that HOT. EZ 2 barfines a night at Nana Plaza. At Bliss I'm not so sure 9 pm there were just 4 customers. Maybe the Barfining happens after midnight when barfine drops.[/QUOTE]Correction Tomcats. I mistook for another Bar with old portly Bargirls.

Went to King Club tonight, had a shitty experience. Starts out good, chatting with a girl. She asks for a drink, no problem. Says I can invite another girl if I want, ok no problem. I tell her to pick who she's comfortable with. She was ok, mid 30's and one of the better looking ones in the bar. Her friend was not. Whatever, it's all pink on the inside. Then she starts pushing the LD, getting LD without my say-so, and so on. I tell her enough, lets go upstairs. They respond with 1000 baht each, 400 for the room. Ok, no problem. Then we get to the room.

Once the shower was done, she starts going all in on the fake moaning / cumming. Girl is licking my nipples and sounding like she is riding a sybian. Fucking turn off. Then we start fucking. Her ugly friend is actually not that bad, and I enjoyed the friend for a bit. Then girl 1 spreads her legs, and as soon as I touch her the 'bad porn moaning' starts again, and she starts with the 'you come soon'. Fuck. I push her out of the way to fuck her ugly friend again, and no shit, mid-fuck she starts asking for more LD. While I'm fucking. That was the final straw for me. Completely turned off, told them I was done. Then she has the nuts to ask me 'why you no cum? LOL You can't make this shit up. I didn't even bother to get their names. There was not one girl in that bar worth going back for. On to other adventures.

[QUOTE=RandoGuy;3012972]Went to HA last night. Called over a cute, thin 20-something with full back and leg sleeves. They were actually well done and looked nice. Called herself Ohm. Seems a bit new, but willing to play the game. Got her a LD or two, and went upstairs. 2 K+350 for the room. Had a good time, recommend. On the way upstairs I saw there is a "speakeasy" but not sure how to get an invite. Maybe just for high-rollers?[/QUOTE]It's called Cleo's and you just walk in. Drinks are more expensive but they make a pretty good cocktail if you're looking for something more fancy. LD prices are a little more expensive and girl prices are also more expensive. I like the vibe but HA downstairs is a better value, IMO.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;3012719]I think this is the place that Old And Ugly was talking about: [URL]https://www.soi2inn.com[/URL].
Looks to me it's just a hotel, but they have called it "serviced apartments" to make it sound more luxury.
The daily price is 1800 Baht (room only), which is OK I think for a hotel like this. But you cannot know that for sure until you've seen it, and the site doesn't mention if taxes and housekeeping are included.
For the monthly price you can get better in Pattaya, I think.
........................................................[/QUOTE]Exactly, that's the one. I stayed across the street at S Lodge for half the price, and It's nicer, I don't get it why anyone will pay double for less. I didn't explored, but I'm sure that if you don't go the tourist route, and rent it by the month will be few hundred $ max. Maybe I'll give it a try after the rainy season, but Dongtan area looks more appealing to me, you can go in the water actually, in Pattaya I saw too much garbage in the water, and I don't go in public (hotel) swimming pools, only in my own, where is pee from family and friends only. The pics are from S Lodge.

[QUOTE=LonePunter;3012808]I was informed that I can only go upstairs after paying for three ladydrinks in addition to the kaa hong of 400 Tb. Totally outrageous. That never happened to me before, a friend of mine was asked to pay four lady drinks for that purpose in Roxy bar.[/QUOTE]If you don't want to go through the LD bullshit, you might try places like Red Point, Chili, Candy, Lolipop, My friend you and all other independant bars.

Avoid all the bars that are part of a group, like NW, Goodfellas, Tomcats, Oppa, Benders, Cooters, Lala land and all these kind of bars.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3013158]If you don't want to go through the LD bullshit, you might try places like Red Point, Chili, Candy, Lolipop, My friend you and all other independant bars.

Avoid all the bars that are part of a group, like NW, Goodfellas, Tomcats, Oppa, Benders, Cooters, Lala land and all these kind of bars.[/QUOTE]Good tip, Paolo. And now for the 64 million Baht question: how does the quality compare between the "independent" bars and the "corporate" (my word) bars?

Here is the current rate (143 Baht) and times for the bus from Jomtien Station to BKK Airport. Cash Only. If you come early there is a small bar next to the station and a market across the parking lot if you need to pick anything up.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3013158]If you don't want to go through the LD bullshit, you might try places like Red Point, Chili, Candy, Lolipop, My friend you and all other independant bars.

Avoid all the bars that are part of a group, like NW, Goodfellas, Tomcats, Oppa, Benders, Cooters, Lala land and all these kind of bars.[/QUOTE]I definitely prefer to avoid Lady Drinks and preferably Bar Fines. If anything, get a girl's number and meet her OTC.

When I was in Pattaya last fall, I pulled girls from Soi 6 twice and thought those were my weakest sessions. * I returned to Pattaya last month with a friend who was on his first trip ever to Asia so naturally I had to show him Soi 6. * It was very busy with girls at night and we got grabbed many times as expected. * he got pulled into a bar and then soon after I saw a girl at Lush that looked interesting so I went in with her. * I asked her about rate and she quoted 1500 be which was the same rate my friend got with his girl over at the other bar. * This was kind of surprising to me since I didn't think quotes would go this low from the 2500 I usually got quoted last fall and settled at 2000 for both sessions then. * Maybe it's the low season rate. * So this time we didn't even bother with drinks and I paid the 500 room fine and up we went.

I should have had an interview before hand because once in the room, I couple of red flags appeared. * First the girl didn't want to shower together and when she showered, she didn't want me to look. * Then once on the bed she asked if I had a condom which I did. * Well, she almost immediately went ahead to put the condom on without any prior action to get me going first (second red flag). * She tried a half ass (or even less) BJ which she went just on the head for a few moments (third red flag) and then expected to start the boom boom even before I was fully hard. * She laid on the bed without even climbing on top which was unusual (the now forth red flag). I was kind of okay with this but when I asked her to put it in for me which women usually like anyway, she refused and asked me to do it while giggling. * This was the first time ever that I encountered this by any girl anywhere. * It was pretty dark in the room so I couldn't see well and as I tried to put it in, it was already losing interest.

So I asked her to hand job me and she started almost strangling my pecker. * Completely amateurish. * After I realized that things have gone so far south beyond recovery, I just cut it short right there and ended the session. * The showers afterwards was the same, ie. , separate and didn't want me to look when it was her turn.

My friend later on said his session was pretty crappy too. * So looks like I would have to conclude at least based on my experiences there, Soi 6 while it's fun to stroll through it and gawk at all the girls, it's a crappy place to session with girls in Pattaya especially when compared to other venues. * Our sessions at gents clubs and even soapy places like Honey 1 were way better than Soi 6. * In the future if I decide to pull any girl on Soi 6, I would definitely have to put the girl through a solid interview to try and flush out those potential red flags before commiting to a session. * Or just view Soi 6 much like Walking Street, ie. , a place to stroll through and session at the more solid types of venues.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3013184]Good tip, Paolo. And now for the 64 million Baht question: how does the quality compare between the "independent" bars and the "corporate" (my word) bars?[/QUOTE]The quality in the independant bars can certainly be as good (or better) as the other places. Through out the years I've met at least one girl in each of these bars (many in Red Point) or in bars like Poison, Showgirls or Fire. Some of these girls were part of the best girls I've ever met in the soi.

The big difference being that these bars are employing less girls than the bars part of a group. So naturally you'll have a harder time finding a girl to your specs than in the bars employing much more girls.

The advantage of these bars over "corporate" bars as you call them, is if you're lucky, you might find a girl working as a freelance in the bar. In my experience, these girls are the best, because they don't give a fuck about LDs, they want to go straight to the action, as they have absolutely no incentive to push the customer buying her numerous drinks.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3013252]So this time we didn't even bother with drinks and I paid the 500 room fine and up we went.[/QUOTE]That's one of the problems when people want to avoid paying a drink first.

You don't have much time to check the chemistry, or even try to figure out if the girl is not a dumb ass.

I've cancelled many potential fucks in these bars after one or a few drinks because the girl did or said something I didn't like, was too dumb or was just not fun at all.

Last fall I went to Pattaya and visited Heaven Above twice since I sessioned with the same girl there. * Last month in June I returned to Pattaya with a friend who was on his first trip to Asia ever so when we made it to town, I obviously had to show him Heaven Above. * I reunited with my girl there from the fall while he pulled a girl too and really enjoyed the place. * I still like the vibe there along with the topless dancing that goes on through the night but it is a more costly 'gents club' compared to others when its room rates are 600 be, higher priced drinks and the girls ask for more for their personal services upstairs. My girl agreed to 2000 be after she originally wanted 3000 be when we were chatting on WhatsApp.

The next day we took the free gents club bar crawl that's offered by the chain of bars starting at Maggie May's. * It was suppose to be a tour of six different gents club but the crawl ended up with seven. More on this later. * At Maggie May's, all the girls stayed outside while all the dudes participating were inside. This was kind of dumb as it was completely different at the other gents clubs. * Anyway, we spent about an hour there just chatting among ourselves with our drinks plus the free shot we each got. * Then after the hour, we walked over across the street to the next club which was Buzzin Lounge owned by the YouTuber who does the Buzzing Pattaya channel. * At least here the girls tried to mingle with us even though me and my friend were not that impressed with the girls at either Maggie May's or Buzzin. * Anyway, we had to spend another hour at Buzzin with another drink bought but again at least we got another free shot.

After Buzzin, we hopped on board one of there pussy wagons (like their own baht bus) and went to Cat Flaps. * Now this gents club was impressive as the decor looked new and the lounge was spacious. * Best of all, there were quite a lot of girls here many whom we thought were quite attractive. * We ordered yet another drink although me and my buddy have been ordering 50 be juices all afternoon along with the free shot we got here too. * As a bonus, we also got some free lasagna. * The other dudes on the tour all claimed that Cat Flaps is usually the best one out of the bunch.

After our hour at Cat Flaps, the pussy wagon took us to the Maggie May's in Jomtien. * Much like with their location in town, we were not impressed with the girls at this Jomtien location so we just ensured another juice and free shot during our hour here. * The next club was Camel Toe which was a nice size venue and they had two girls climb on a table for a free show. * I was however, not impressed with any of the women here so had to endure another hour ordering yet another juice (but got another free shot).

The next one which is #6 was Free Willy's. * Here another two ladies gave a free show. * One of them was attractive enough but the rest of their roster much like at the other gents clubs did not do much for me. * So another hour, another juice and free shot which was my 6th one that afternoon. * The final bar was going to be at Club Fate back in town. * At this point, my buddy and I felt that we were getting overloaded on juices and the bar crawl was already passing what we thought was suppose to be the end point around 5 pm but it was already about 6:30 pm. * So we took advantage of the pussy wagon ride back into town to Club Fate but at the dropoff we told the host that we were not going into this 7th gents club. * Instead, we wanted to return to Cat Flaps for a session.

The host got kind of peeved at us not for skipping out on Club Fate but claimed that we didn't spend enough money this afternoon. * Like what the fuck?* We bought drinks at each gents club we visited even though they were only juices. We just didn't feel like drinking during the afternoon especially when we already got free shots. * he said we should have bought drinks for the ladies but we didn't find them very attractive except for the ones at Cat Flaps which we were returning back to. * So in our view, the tour was a win win for all because me and my buddy got to see what each gents club was like and the crawl did entice us to return to one of their clubs later that night to spend money. * So we thought this host was a real ******* for saying we didn't spend enough money when it was advertised that it was a free bar crawl. * To us, this crawl was to promote their businesses and we think it was successful since we returned to Cat Flaps.

Anyway we both sessioned at Cat Flaps at 1500 be plus 400 for rooms. * The only thing odd we found was for such a nice gents club, the upstairs rooms did not have ensuite bathrooms. * Instead we all had to take turns in a separate bathroom in the hallway for showers.

Another good thing we really liked about the gents club tour is meeting all the other dudes who participated. * We got some great intel about Pattaya from them and on the whole, it was a nice group to hang out with for the afternoon. Except for the a-hole host that is.

The bar crawl Host.

Does it's name rhyme with SEBBY.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3013296]The host got kind of peeved at us not for skipping out on Club Fate but claimed that we didn't spend enough money this afternoon.[/QUOTE]It is touted as free with the assumption that you will spend enough on drinks in order for the host to get his kickbacks. You were not thinking he was spending money and time to show a bunch of strangers around due to boredom did you?

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3013184]And now for the 64 million Baht question: how does the quality compare between the "independent" bars and the "corporate" (my word) bars?[/QUOTE]Here is an example of the quality of the girls working in the independent bars.

The girl in blue is in Red point, the other one is in Poison.

Anyone on the ground could find these girls at the moment, these are screenshots from the Korean's stream from yesterday.

Personally I could do both of them if there is a good chemistry.

To continue introducing my friend who is a first time visitor to Asia, I took him around to some of the big soapy massage places in Pattaya just to expose him to the fishbowl scene and not really expect to session at any of them. * When I took a peek into them on my last trip in the fall, I walked only in Honey 1 and PP and thought both places had women who were just too chunky for my liking. * I also read in posts that when it comes to soapy and nuru massages, Bangkok would be a much better place for these but nevertheless, we had some time to kill so this trip after our Soi 6 disaster sessions (wrote on separate post), we walked up to check out Sabai Dee and Honey 2. * We were pleasantly surprised on the talent available there but of course we also saw the premium prices. * After these two places, we made our way back towards the Base area where we were staying and checked out PP and Honey 1. * PP had zero potential despite the lower prices but Honey 1 surprisingly wasn't too bad so we decided that it was a potential return visit the next night for our first soapies there.

So the next night we returned to Honey 1 and were presented four different price ranges of the girls each with different colour tags. * The lowest red colour was at 2300 be and they were the girls mostly sitting in the front row. * These were also bigger, chunkier girls too we had no interest in plus for some reason, they looked disinterested too in us. * The next level was at 2700 be, either blue or black (I forgot) and there were actually a few of them that looked pretty good and were smiling as well as waving to us. * We both chose girls at the 2700 be level (the girls in the higher price ranges I kind of ignored because I didn't want to go at that level if there were acceptable ones at 2700).

I haven't had a soapy since my first visit to Bangkok like 20 years ago so I was due for one. * And my girl didn't disappoint as I loved my session which was a surprise to me due to reports of soapies being lack lustre in Pattaya. The 2700 price was all inclusive although at the beginning right after we paid our fee to the cashier and before our girls took us to the elevator, some pushy waitresses wanted us to buy drinks for ourselves and our girls which I refused. * Anyway we both thought that our sessions despite lasting about an hour each even though the papasan claimed that we were to get an hour and a half, were pretty good especially compared to the sessions we had the other types of venues in town.

For our final night as it was raining, we didn't want to venture too far from The Base where we were staying (which I totally recommend by the way) and decided to session again at Honey 1. * We both picked different girls at the 2700 be level again and my second girl there who was waving and actually pointing right at me with a huge smile from the fishbowl (no glass) gave an equally good session and her soapy technique was slightly different which was interesting and refreshing since they were not all using the same session game plan. * I thought the soapy part of the sessions were good foreplay before the actual sex and these girls certainly brought up service levels.

I think for guys who are interested in getting soapies, it is important to notice which girls in the fishbowl are trying to get your attention with smiles and waves rather than just picking out any hotties who seem disinterested. * Service levels are likely to be better with those who actually want you to pick them. * For any future visits to Pattaya, I probably would take in another soapy but maybe try out Sabai Dee or Honey 2 since they seemed to have more selection of the slimmer types of girls we like.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;3013298]The bar crawl Host.

Does it's name rhyme with SEBBY.[/QUOTE]No I don't think so. I do recall that he was not one of the gents clubs owners but helps out with them. Uses swear words a lot and probably Aussie.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3013388]Here is an example of the quality of the girls working in the independent bars.

The girl in blue is in Red point, the other one is in Poison.

Anyone on the ground could find these girls at the moment, these are screenshots from the Korean's stream from yesterday.

Personally I could do both of them if there is a good chemistry.[/QUOTE]Mod s Bar.

A Korea Streamer had a top 3 face on his stream the other day. Usually bad vibes from her but she looked Happy as the guy was buying Lots of drinks.

For the life of me I couldn't find his Stream on you tube. The Girl is Super Hot. Kinda Flat though. Hahaha.

Fire in Catflaps yesterday. Probably closed for a month.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3013388]Here is an example of the quality of the girls working in the independent bars. The girl in blue is in Red point, the other one is in Poison.
Anyone on the ground could find these girls at the moment, these are screenshots from the Korean's stream from yesterday.

Personally I could do both of them if there is a good chemistry.[/QUOTE]Thanks Paola. I will definitely check out some of these independent Soi 6 bars and their girls next time I am in Pat. I totally agree with you about chemistry. Without it a shag will be mediocre at best. With it a 5. 5 * girl can give you a 7 * time and a 7* girl can give a 9* time.

Good hunting,

A. H.

OK so I have traveled many places in the world for decades but never to Thailand, about 10 years ago got only as close as the Philippines.

Now for the past almost 15 years living in Colombia and have played in every city and pueblo in Colombia both non-pro, freelancers and pros, I don't discriminate LOL, and I love Latin women especially Colombian chicas.

But out of curiosity I have read through a few pages on this forum and see the photos, the prices, the various venues and have drawn some conclusions namely:

1. The going rate is roughly 3000 BHT (Which is roughly $90 USD and here in Medellin I typically pay 130,000 Colombian pesos for a beautiful fresh and young gal with great attitude and girl friends sex to boot, now 130,000 pesos is about $35. USD.

2. The heat in Thailand is a turn off, I have partied in the Phillipines, the DR, Havana Cuba and all through Mexico and frankly the heat / humidity is no fun, unlike the weather we have in Medellin as it is always Spring here.

3. I just checked the airfare from Medellin Colombia to Thailand and you have to travel through the USA so the times to fly is about 2 days plus, no good then THE COST is ridiculous as I see the cost for RT as about $2,800 USD! Crazy. (I am curios as to what you are paying for a RT flight from a US city?

4. I have read and watched on YouTube that in Pattaya especially it is being overrun by Indians, is this true?

So all in all I just answered my own curiosity and questions, it is a no go for me to travel to Thailand.

I can fly RT from Medellin to the DR or Havana Cuba for about $335 USD and the flight is a few hours and not a few days.

Be safe all!

TTM.

I totally agree Clicking with a girl is the key to meaningful Prostitute encounters.

How many of you who care about looks are going to take an Ugly if your pal says she's easy to get along with and gives good service. Hahaha. NO WAY JoSe for me.

I'm seeing quite a few girls on Soi 6 who would make bank at Nana plaza but who just have bad deameanir.

It's possible they are still young and not with the program yet. I get a lot more Smiles from the older ones, a couple are kinda pretty but still can see signs of age. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3013296]
The next day we took the free gents club bar crawl that's offered by the chain of bars starting at Maggie May's. * Buzzin Lounge owned by the YouTuber who does the Buzzing Pattaya channel.
on. Except for the a-hole host that is.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the report! I finally got to shake Trevor's hand at the Buzzin Lounge this past March. And he wanted me to do one of the bar crawls. I never went back to Soi Pothole because the ladies are just not as 'hot' as what can be found on Soi 6. Will say that Trevor was cool with me. And I bought some LDs. But I still don't get why so many like Maggie Mays.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;3013617] I am curios as to what you are paying for a RT flight from a US city? [/QUOTE]All you have to do is use Google Flights or any other similar search engine to see for yourself. No need to ask here because rates will vary and can change by the day and season.

Went down to Jomtien for a couple of days to get away from the hustle. Stayed at you Jomtien, nice place, I recommend. Went walking down Soi Welcome area. Not looking for action, just a hair cut, legit massage and some food. Cute spinner sitting outside a typical massage place (not dressed sexy, massage chairs behind glass window, etc.) gave me a nice smile. Thai oil was only 200 baht so I gave them a try. I've probably been to a dozen legit massage shops in BKK and Pattaya at this point, and right away things were different. Shower beforehand, told me to lay naked on the table. Right away, slight teasing and rubbing. Interesting. Finally, on the flip, she offered naked bjj / HJ for 1 K. Ok. Off came the cloths and she was dry humping my leg as she tugged me. She seems strangely into the whole thing, signaling me to be quiet, etc. After a bit I motioned for more. She seemed a bit more reluctant, but finally agreed 2 K for FS. Got her on her back and found the reason for her reluctance. Holy shit was she tight. Took a bit to warm her up enough I could finally pound her. Finished in mish, more massage, then a hug and downstairs for the typical water after. She took the 2 K and slipped it in her pocket, then I payed for the legit massage seperate downstairs. She was a cute, A-cup spinner, about mid-20's with a very minor bit of baby damage. Very sweet girl. Not sure if everyone there does extras or just her. The place was called Polla massage. Back to BKK for a flight to Camo tomorrow.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;3013617]OK so I have traveled many places in the world for decades but never to Thailand, about 10 years ago got only as close as the Philippines.

Now for the past almost 15 years living in Colombia and have played in every city and pueblo in Colombia both non-pro, freelancers and pros, I don't discriminate LOL, and I love Latin women especially Colombian chicas.

But out of curiosity I have read through a few pages on this forum and see the photos, the prices, the various venues and have drawn some conclusions namely:

1. The going rate is roughly 3000 BHT (Which is roughly $90 USD and here in Medellin I typically pay 130,000 Colombian pesos for a beautiful fresh and young gal with great attitude and girl friends sex to boot, now 130,000 pesos is about $35. USD.

2. The heat in Thailand is a turn off, I have partied in the Phillipines, the DR, Havana Cuba and all through Mexico and frankly the heat / humidity is no fun, unlike the weather we have in Medellin as it is always Spring here.

3. I just checked the airfare from Medellin Colombia to Thailand and you have to travel through the USA so the times to fly is about 2 days plus, no good then THE COST is ridiculous as I see the cost for RT as about $2,800 USD! Crazy. (I am curios as to what you are paying for a RT flight from a US city?

4. I have read and watched on YouTube that in Pattaya especially it is being overrun by Indians, is this true?

So all in all I just answered my own curiosity and questions, it is a no go for me to travel to Thailand.

I can fly RT from Medellin to the DR or Havana Cuba for about $335 USD and the flight is a few hours and not a few days.

Be safe all!

TTM.[/QUOTE]Thailand is way more than about mongering. I've travelled to Thailand twice and Colombia twice in the past year. Yes it's super tough to travel to southeast Asia from North American compared to just going south to Latin America. But from a non-mongering point of view, Thailand is so much better than Colombia in terms of food (Colombian cuisine is quite bland), safety (I never had to worry about walking about at all hours of the night) and tourism (magnificent temples, elephant sanctuaries, postcard perfect beaches in southern areas). Plus from personal mongering experience, the addition of soapy / nuru massage experiences is awesome in Thailand. Massages with any type of Colombian girl are forgettable. After 1-2 trips to Colombia, outside of mongering, I find there's really not much to do or see anymore. For example in Medellin, after seeing Comuna 13, Parque Arvi and even a day trip to Guatape (which was great), there's nothing else really interesting about Medellin besides the girls. In Thailand, there's just so much there which is why it's one of the most if not the most visited country in the world today. Plus once you get to Thailand, you can easily skip over to other amazing countries in the region like Vietnam and Cambodia. For international mongers, I would recommend both Thailand and Colombia be visited and I think most will enjoy both. Even if there's preference of one country's women over the other, I'm pretty confident that those who have visited will see Thailand as a complete vacation rather than just a pure mongering trip.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3013736]After 1-2 trips to Colombia, outside of mongering, I find there's really not much to do or see anymore. For example in Medellin, after seeing Comuna 13, Parque Arvi and even a day trip to Guatape (which was great), there's nothing else really interesting about Medellin besides the girls. In Thailand, there's just so much there which is why it's one of the most if not the most visited country in the world today. [/QUOTE]France was the most visited country last year. And not just last year, but many years already.
Thailand was no. 9 last year.

https://wptravel.io/most-visited-countries-in-the-world/#h-top-50-most-visited-countries-in-the-world-in-2024

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3013736]Thailand is way more than about mongering.[/QUOTE]This is very true and I concur. I don't understand why people would travel to a foreign country many miles from home just to buy pussy and that's it. They are missing the whole point of traveling. I find that most people that only travel for sex are the ones that complain the most. They have no interest in the local culture, food, sites, music or traditions. They come already close minded and biased. Damn that must be a boring life. This can apply to any destination in the World. I have been to Colombia, Thailand and the Philippines multiple times but more times to Colombia. Every time I come to Thailand I thoroughly enjoy myself. The distance and cost to travel doesn't restrict me. I'm very open minded and not biased in my observations. If a person doesn't have any boots on the ground experience of a destination then they really don't know anything about what they are talking about because they have no actual experience. They just regurgitate talking points of others without any personal knowledge.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;3013617]

3. I just checked the airfare from Medellin Colombia to Thailand and you have to travel through the USA so the times to fly is about 2 days plus, no good then THE COST is ridiculous as I see the cost for RT as about $2,800 USD! Crazy. (I am curios as to what you are paying for a RT flight from a US city?


TTM.[/QUOTE]Flew to Cebu from LAX for $400+ a month ago with United via NRT.

Then CRK to BKK for about $100 with Cebu Pacific.

A quick online search will tell you that flights next month (August) from LOS Angeles to Bangkok, Thailand are $394 USD currently. I just looked it up.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3013808]A quick online search will tell you that flights next month (August) from LOS Angeles to Bangkok, Thailand are $394 USD currently. I just looked it up.[/QUOTE]That's ridiculously cheap. I suppose it's one way, and not a direct flight?

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;3013768]This is very true and I concur. I don't understand why people would travel to a foreign country many miles from home just to buy pussy and that's it. They are missing the whole point of traveling. I find that most people that only travel for sex are the ones that complain the most. They have no interest in the local culture, food, sites, music or traditions. They come already close minded and biased. Damn that must be a boring life. This can apply to any destination in the World. I have been to Colombia, Thailand and the Philippines multiple times but more times to Colombia. Every time I come to Thailand I thoroughly enjoy myself. The distance and cost to travel doesn't restrict me. I'm very open minded and not biased in my observations. If a person doesn't have any boots on the ground experience of a destination then they really don't know anything about what they are talking about because they have no actual experience. They just regurgitate talking points of others without any personal knowledge.[/QUOTE]I did all the touristy stuff in Thailand, Cambodia, Indonesia, Vietnam, Philippines. Now all I want is good pussy with a nice pair of tits and a willing mouth.

Being Curious I did do a search, Lax to BKK, on Evaair economy was gover 1300.00 USD, there is a new airline out of Taipei, Starlux based out of Taiwan also that have been keeping prices down a bit due to competition but not sure it flies to LAX.

United isn't any better from Cebu, out of Lax, it was 1400 USD, so curious what airline or website are we talking for under 400.00.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;3013617]OK so I have traveled many places in the world for decades but never to Thailand, about 10 years ago got only as close as the Philippines.

Now for the past almost 15 years living in Colombia and have played in every city and pueblo in Colombia both non-pro, freelancers and pros, I don't discriminate LOL, and I love Latin women especially Colombian chicas.

But out of curiosity I have read through a few pages on this forum and see the photos, the prices, the various venues and have drawn some conclusions namely:

1. The going rate is roughly 3000 BHT (Which is roughly $90 USD and here in Medellin I typically pay 130,000 Colombian pesos for a beautiful fresh and young gal with great attitude and girl friends sex to boot, now 130,000 pesos is about $35. USD.

2. The heat in Thailand is a turn off, I have partied in the Phillipines, the DR, Havana Cuba and all through Mexico and frankly the heat / humidity is no fun, unlike the weather we have in Medellin as it is always Spring here.

3. I just checked the airfare from Medellin Colombia to Thailand and you have to travel through the USA so the times to fly is about 2 days plus, no good then THE COST is ridiculous as I see the cost for RT as about $2,800 USD! Crazy. (I am curios as to what you are paying for a RT flight from a US city?

4. I have read and watched on YouTube that in Pattaya especially it is being overrun by Indians, is this true?

So all in all I just answered my own curiosity and questions, it is a no go for me to travel to Thailand.

I can fly RT from Medellin to the DR or Havana Cuba for about $335 USD and the flight is a few hours and not a few days.

Be safe all!

TTM.[/QUOTE]Since you live in Medellin, you have access to local girls. Local girls who may see a few guys a month and are not total pros. It only makes sense that they don't ask for so much. Plus you live there and thus you have access to the girls any time. Time of epm due, rent, birthday, etc. When the need comes, even girls will see you for 100 mil!

The 3000 bt is for passport bros in thailand and I know the locals chaps who live there pay much much less than that. My buddy in cebu pays $10-$15/ college girl (cheaper than mde).

Lots of indians in Pattaya. Besides being smelly and annoying, there is one advantage of Indians- They are cheap. We want cheap mongers and let me tell you why. Back in the day, I was going to Costa Rica and the girls wanted $50-80. The passport bros found out and loads of gringos coming from USA throwing money at these girls. Now it's $150-$300. Same thing happening in mde. Going rate for putas at lleras is 400 mil, a few years ago it was 200 mil. Indians don't over pay and thus keep the prices down. Love this fact!

Before, russions used to come they used to bring their hot girls. Or groups of russian girls would travel alone. But this is not the case with indians. Only Groups of men and if an indian woman comes, she is not any like the bollywood stars.

One thing I want to share: latin girls are the best lovers in the world. Unlike thais, latins are wild and I love that. But they are also masters of cheating and I don't expect them to be faithful.

Medellin has the best climate in the world and why travel to Pattaya unless you have a purpose.

Reasons I would to travel to Pattaya if you are bored and want to try something new and of course if you have the extra cash to pay almost $3,000 for coach. Plus hotel stay and passport bro priceing for the girls.

I love spicy foods and mde sucks for that. Try their mexican nachos: runny cheese, sweet beef with bacon, it's a joke. But I'm in mde for the girls not the food. LOL.

If I were you, I woud stay in mde!

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;3014065]Being Curious I did do a search, Lax to BKK, on Evaair economy was gover 1300.00 USD, there is a new airline out of Taipei, Starlux based out of Taiwan also that have been keeping prices down a bit due to competition but not sure it flies to LAX.

United isn't any better from Cebu, out of Lax, it was 1400 USD, so curious what airline or website are we talking for under 400.00.[/QUOTE]This is the first search done in 5 seconds. On orbitz. If you look more, you'll find even better ones.

Skyscanner, book 3 week in advance.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3014111]This is the first search done in 5 seconds. On orbitz. If you look more, you'll find even better ones.[/QUOTE]I did as noted put in Lax-BKk, cheapest 23,635 baht.

There is a notation like " from 198.00 " Hit got nothing! Not sure what " From " search nothing cheaper.
Just curious, I have retirement benefits going standby RT, runs me 350.00?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;3014065]Being Curious I did do a search, Lax to BKK, on Evaair economy was gover 1300.00 USD, there is a new airline out of Taipei, Starlux based out of Taiwan also that have been keeping prices down a bit due to competition but not sure it flies to LAX.

United isn't any better from Cebu, out of Lax, it was 1400 USD, so curious what airline or website are we talking for under 400.00.[/QUOTE]Another 5 seconds search on Starlux returns $561. Maybe you're looking at 1st class pricess.
If you're not stuck to certain dates, be a few days flexible, buy the air first, because that's the most expensive part, and plan the rest of the stuff around that.

[QUOTE=Andres901;3014070]......latin girls are the best lovers in the world. Unlike thais, latins are wild and I love that. But they are also masters of cheating and I don't expect them to be faithful.......

..[/QUOTE]Do you expect Thai girls to be faithful?

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;3013617]OK so I have traveled many places in the world for decades but never to Thailand, about 10 years ago got only as close as the Philippines......

1. The going rate is roughly 3000 BHT (Which is roughly $90 USD and here in Medellin I typically pay 130,000 Colombian pesos for a beautiful fresh and young gal with great attitude and girl friends sex to boot, now 130,000 pesos is about $35. USD....

TTM.[/QUOTE]To be honest, I don't think it's worth it at all if you can get it for 130,000 pesos in Medellin. Which is pretty damn incredible for a hot young Latina BTW. I think the last time I paid that was in 2015 or 2016, but of course I don't live there LOL.

I was in Thailand and Laos for trekking last December to January for ~4 weeks. I only spent a small amount of time mongering, but I will say a few things:

1) It's hard to find curvy Latina body type girls in Thailand. While they are getting bigger, they are quite petite and skinny for the most part

2) I was able to get some attractive independent girls from bars for 2000 BHT (as I recall).

3) Performance is subpart relative to Latinas.

The above noted, the quality of accommodations, food, shopping, and cultural sites blow Colombia out of the water. If you go for a month or more it may be worth trying. , just look beyond the girls.

My humble two cents.

[QUOTE=Turgid;3014159]Do you expect Thai girls to be faithful?[/QUOTE]LOL.

So funny.

I don't know which Thailand you went too but the one I went to in April was full of fat chicks, to the point they outnumbered skinny ones.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3014127]Another 5 seconds search on Starlux returns $561. Maybe you're looking at 1st class pricess.
If you're not stuck to certain dates, be a few days flexible, buy the air first, because that's the most expensive part, and plan the rest of the stuff around that.[/QUOTE]Just as I thought another five seconds you would have realized the price you noted is one way only!

Lowest from Lax was like 475 the return is 675? Add it up!.
First class prices are usually 4,000 USD up, reason no way I was looking wrong, premium economy on Starlux running 1800 USD same with Eva.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;3014285]Just as I thought another five seconds you would have realized the price you noted is one way only!

Lowest from Lax was like 475 the return is 675? Add it up!.
First class prices are usually 4,000 USD up, reason no way I was looking wrong, premium economy on Starlux running 1800 USD same with Eva.[/QUOTE]10 seconds to find one for 598€.

[URL]https://www.skyscanner.es/transporte/vuelos/lax/bkkt/251008/251022/?adultsv2=1&cabinclass=economy&childrenv2=&inboundaltsenabled=false&outboundaltsenabled=false&preferdirects=false&priceSourceId=&priceTrace=202507121247[/URL]*I*LAX*BKK*20251008*ates*SQ%7 C202507121247*I*BKK*LAX*20251022*ates*SQ&qp_prevCurrency=EUR&qp_prevPrice=580&qp_prevProvider=ins_month&rtn=1.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;3014285]Just as I thought another five seconds you would have realized the price you noted is one way only!

Lowest from Lax was like 475 the return is 675? Add it up!.
First class prices are usually 4,000 USD up, reason no way I was looking wrong, premium economy on Starlux running 1800 USD same with Eva.[/QUOTE]Yes, that's what I said initially: ONE WAY, and the first class thing was a joke.

Any way, I was only trying to help. No need to convince you, or nobody else about nothing, because "nothing else matters".

Regular fare 2 way from US is around 1500, sometime more, sometime less depends on how lucky you are.

Myself, I only buy one way because I live in SEA, and I don't really know where I'm going to end up next month. Maybe I read about some interesting place, or some add with cheap airfare pops up in my email, or I read about pussy being on sale someplace, that's how I make my plans.

Recently got back from a few months trip to Thailand arriving before Songkran. Stayed in Pattaya mostly. I have not been back since right before COVID shut everything down and it was quite the shocker to return. Been coming to Thailand since 2014 yearly, sometimes with a few trips per year until the disaster of our current human leadership degraded itself to new depths.

I was primarily surprised at how the traditionally Bangkokian conceited attitude from overpriced working girls had sauntered its way south to Pattaya. Not going with hansum man, prior only rarely experienced in the more "upscale" gogos, had become a common occurrence, also infecting the bar lasses and coconut courtesans to lesser degrees, respectively. "Coyotes", "sick pussy" (STD? Bleeding? "only drink" from some, with a younger gentleman's club lady begrudgingly agreeing to a 600 THB BBBJ (+400 for the house). Windmill, Chick, Shark, Champagne (major WTF! Bliss, Sapphire. No matter the prestige or target market, all ladies were basically 4000/7000 THB + 2500 for the house, even as late as 03:15.

Prior trips I had always been able to regularly pull the hottest girls for maximum 1000/2000 + 500-1000 for the house. Any gogo was negotiable before, both barfine and lady rate. Most ever prior trips was 1000 + 2000 LT from Shooters in 2018 (back then they had serious talent) and most recent (right before COVID) and memorable was Pandoras for 400 + 1000 for a jaw dropping schoolgirl.

These are the dreams men live for and what makes a country top class.

I soon soured on the current gogo scene. During Songkran the girls' attitude in general was shit. Not as many to choose from and girls everywhere, except a few token spots, asking way too much. The most egregious was a cute 20 year old non-tattooed girl at Namthip bar asking 4000 THB + 1500 for the house to leave at 02:45 off deep in Soi Bukhao. We had bumped into each other on the street, and I was thankful to finally see an attractive natural young woman during Songkran that was available for a fine. We chatted for a while over a drink via translator. After I offered her 1000 THB for a quick shag, the next question she asked me was, "Do you like children?

I asked her to clarify. She pointed to her much older and fatter sisters. Had the feminist bullshit infected my beloved Thai women? This trip was turning out the worst trip out of roughly two dozen. Before parting ways as she refused to budge from 4000, turning down my very generous 2000 THB offer, I made sure she saw the fat stack of 1000's in my wallet as I was paying. She noticeably perked up, but quickly downplayed her gut reaction with that increasingly-common haughty, "I've got plenty of sponsors" attitude as she scurried off to the back to change clothes to go home. Exchanging LINEs, which worked in the past to soften them up over time, could not crack her mercenary attitude. "4000!" she would only respond.

Old reliable Soi Honey delivered a very decent 20 year old 30 minutes later for 1000 THB + 200 for the house. Wow, the massage partitions had markedly improved! No more cardboard walls and soiled sheets. This was by far the best change to the scene since COVID. I would return several times for BBBJs, a few more CFS, with one nerdy skinny young girl with big fake tits demanding CBJ, which I always oblige but do not prefer.

When not having to work hard during the "day" back home, I would stroll Beach Road to get some cardio and look for diamonds. Some of my best lays and terrifying situations were from the coconut bar. This trip thankfully there were no dangerous experiences, but reflecting the broader economy, the talent was significantly down along with the display of girls, often shying or cowering from the rambunctious stroll of the GoPro / cell phone vortexes of bad vibes calling themselves "vloggers"influencers". These guys need the Mexico / Colombia treatment. Luckily I found a few decent women in their 30's, of whom I would finally visit their preferred short time hotels out of curiosity. The prices for the room with a fan was 200 THB + 1000 for the lady for BBBJ + CFS.

Sometimes with a light massage first. These beds reminded me of the old Soi 6 rooms. Miraculously never got sick, likely due to historical dues.

The second biggest surprise were the amount of fat piggies. Oink. Oink. Had I landed in Angeles City? Looking back at all the old photos confirmed it wasn't less-liver-strained beer goggles of years past inciting the lust a traditional Thai woman invokes. These girls had a lot of time and extra money to sit around and pound rice. If you're into "thick" women you'll be in hog heaven. Do the, formerly "normal", skinny Thai women know they are in smaller supply?

The third surprise were the rates for CFS. I never paid more than 1500 THB this trip, with the mean around 1100 THB to the girl. Most attractive women (all prior trips paying 500 - 1000 THB) wanted 2000-3000 for a short time which is frankly not worth it. Luckily I am not as hungry as I was in my 20's and can go days without busting if needed. The best finds of the trip included a girl at "LOL Lita" bar in Soi Made in Thailand, a brand new lighter skinned, non-tattoed 8/10 who had just turned 20 according to her ID. We played a couple games of pool while having a few drinks, which cost 180 THB for her. Barfines were 800 THB. We negotiated for a while and settled on 1000 THB for CFS or 1500 THB for CFS + BBBJ, an action she was refused to provide during negotiations. Later in the room she would give me a BBBJ before I slowly fucked her very tight pussy in a few positions before busting a huge load. I would leave her with 1000 THB while she gave me a naughty smile saying "Why you not give more?" before lunging for a kiss on the cheek after exchanging LINEs and going to her taxi.

The next best find was on Soi 6 at LUST. A solid 8/10 20 year old nurse on her first week. Huge natural DDs that were as perky as any. Sweet girl with a brain; no tattoos. Settled on 1200 THB + 400 for the house. The most novel event was being punched in the cock after refusing to buy a toy or cookie from someone who should not be out late on Soi 6. The second most novel: a girl offering two shots in a two hour session for 1500 THB on Soi 6. She followed through in earnest.

Most novel new place was a massage brothel right off Walking Street that had full service as low as 1000 THB for 15 minutes of service and attractive girls. I chose the 1500 THB 30 minute package but only needed 15 minutes as the girl was a sweet young girl from Chiang Mai with another very tight pussy. The place had a nice room with clean transparent shower in which the girl was not shy in lathering you up. Not sure what it's named but you can't miss it if you notice small print. I thought their time / tier pricing model was fair and reminded me of European establishments. This could catch on.

There seems to be a large group of bars on Soi 6 which are engaging in near extortion. Minimum drinks, livestreaming, outrageous short time rates, Asian customers only, etc. I think these belonged to a certain notorious wicked group but can't be sure. Easy to avoid after a few queries upfront.

The fourth surprise were the increasing age of the girls available. Thailand apparently has decided to supply gringos with the see-team talent and gringos happily pay multiples of what was asked just a few years ago from the be and A-team talent. What's up with this 20 year old age floor? I had turned away the entire army of women at Champagne, or what's left of it, due to them being so damn ugly and old, a bevy of heavily-tatted, blown-out banshees better fitted for the Nuevo Laredo donkey show, until Mama pulled a very nice girl who turned out to be 19 from the back. Had a drink and chat with her. When asking for the barfine she said 20 was the age limit for a barfine. When she got up to dance, she kept the pair of shorts over her gstring. Lame. What the hell was happening? Is this place America? Will we be able to look at attractive women in another 10 years without legal concern?

Men, we have lost our way. Another topic for another time.

The fifth surprise was, for the first time, I felt completely assured that as the man with the balls and the money, *I* was making the rules and calling the shots completely. It was a combination of rekindling from the successes found among the masses of bad deals, the much cheaper and / or better deals had elsewhere, the lack of desperation due to time and experience, and the resolve to strengthen the fraternity ascribed to all men, regardless of background, who visit Pattaya to experience the options only celebrities (now iffy) and attractive young homosexual men can experience back home. Good pussy is in massive oversupply in Asia, Africa, Eastern Europe, and Latin America. Good money is not, regardless of the front Thai women are increasingly relying on to their detriment.

The sixth surprise were all the new clubs on Walking Street. Wow India represents! Way too loud though. Never entered. Myst is an absolute mosh pit with bad attitudes and no attractive girls that ever wanted to fuck. Insomnia still has decent talent and good vibes. Got an early 30's natural gym girl to fuck for 1000 THB at 03:00 on a weekend. Everywhere else was mostly full of uninspiring girls or girls asking 2000+ for a short time.

The seventh surprise was ThaiFriendly actually working with hot girls. In years past I had used paid versions with nothing but catfish attempts. Always sent them packing with a few baht for taxi. This time every girl was as shown. One girl was coming after her shift at her massage shop. She was a cute 22 year old girl with natural perky the tits. Great English. We talked for about an hour while.

She cleaned my messy condo up. It was so erotic watching her clean and hold her drooping t-shirt with one hand to now show her cleavage in her bra while sweeping the floor and balcony. She was a sensitive, kind girl who had a hobby of adopting stray animals. We eventually consummated our agreement, 1000 THB, after about 90 minutes of cleaning every inch of the place (with me helping) with a standard session. Ended up giving her an extra 500 THB for the cleaning and light massage she gave. She would message many times asking to clean again. In typical Pattaya fashion, I would not meet a second time. Great gal.

I would regularly chat with girls asking 3000+ for ST, prices you could get for similar age / quality if you know where to look in Dubai, among other places. Any medium chosen this trip for good, fairly-priced pussy needed uncomfortably increased effort, a troubling trend.

Have online streaming / chatting services ruined Pattaya? Are foreign simps grossly overpaying for pussy (or worse, attention), no matter how hot and young? Was it the luck of the draw this trip? Are the cameras ruining the vibe? Do men care less for their fellow man?

Nobody likely has all the answers. What I will say is that the desire to revisit Thailand has dropped heavily. Never could have imagined saying this. While not as crazy and licentious as Thailand, there are other countries nearby and in other regions that offer better value for pussy, an understatement for some. I can see a newer definition of short times with increasing pricing offered by more establishments finding middle ground to keep both pounders and providers happy. Short time guys don't use up much time, especially if the quality is high. I could also see girls offering more genuine long massages, cleaning services, and / or cooking to support the prices they are asking.

Attached are some photos of girls I had this visit. This is the lowest quality and worst trip out of many in terms of paid women. I will most likely continue my yearly trips to Europe and, occasionally, Latin America. Asia I'm not sure is worth the hike. Looking at the photos of years past confirms the hottest girls I pulled this trip were the average of prior trips, with much higher quantity and availability at lower prices. I will forever appreciate the lessons learned from visiting this novel land. The world needs the Pattaya of the past.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3014329]Yes, that's what I said initially: ONE WAY, and the first class thing was a joke.

Any way, I was only trying to help. No need to convince you, or nobody else about nothing, because "nothing else matters".

Regular fare 2 way from US is around 1500, sometime more, sometime less depends on how lucky you are.

Myself, I only buy one way because I live in SEA, and I don't really know where I'm going to end up next month. Maybe I read about some interesting place, or some add with cheap airfare pops up in my email, or I read about pussy being on sale someplace, that's how I make my plans.[/QUOTE]Not 1500, about 600 2 way, as I showed in my last message. In other dates it can get up to 700, quite far from the 1500.

[QUOTE=CaliTexMex;3014346]Recently got back from a few months trip to Thailand arriving before Songkran. Stayed in Pattaya mostly. I have not been back since right before COVID shut everything down and it was quite the shocker to return. Been coming to Thailand since 2014 yearly, sometimes with a few trips per year until the disaster of our current human leadership degraded itself to new depths.

I was primarily surprised at how the traditionally Bangkokian conceited attitude from overpriced working girls had sauntered its way south to Pattaya. Not going with hansum man, prior only rarely experienced in the more "upscale" gogos, had become a common occurrence, also infecting the bar lasses and coconut courtesans to lesser degrees, respectively. "Coyotes", "sick pussy" (STD? Bleeding? "only drink" from some, with a younger gentleman's club lady begrudgingly agreeing to a 600 THB BBBJ (+400 for the house). Windmill, Chick, Shark, Champagne (major WTF! Bliss, Sapphire. No matter the prestige or target market, all ladies were basically 4000/7000 THB + 2500 for the house, even as late as 03:15.

Prior trips I had always been able to regularly pull the hottest girls for maximum 1000/2000 + 500-1000 for the house. Any gogo was negotiable before, both barfine and lady rate. Most ever prior trips was 1000 + 2000 LT from Shooters in 2018 (back then they had serious talent) and most recent (right before COVID) and memorable was Pandoras for 400 + 1000 for a jaw dropping schoolgirl.

These are the dreams men live for and what makes a country top class.

I soon soured on the current gogo scene. During Songkran the girls' attitude in general was shit. Not as many to choose from and girls everywhere, except a few token spots, asking way too much. The most egregious was a cute 20 year old non-tattooed girl at Namthip bar asking 4000 THB + 1500 for the house to leave at 02:45 off deep in Soi Bukhao. We had bumped into each other on the street, and I was thankful to finally see an attractive natural young woman during Songkran that was available for a fine. We chatted for a while over a drink via translator. After I offered her 1000 THB for a quick shag, the next question she asked me was, "Do you like children?

I asked her to clarify. She pointed to her much older and fatter sisters. Had the feminist bullshit infected my beloved Thai women? This trip was turning out the worst trip out of roughly two dozen. Before parting ways as she refused to budge from 4000, turning down my very generous 2000 THB offer, I made sure she saw the fat stack of 1000's in my wallet as I was paying. She noticeably perked up, but quickly downplayed her gut reaction with that increasingly-common haughty, "I've got plenty of sponsors" attitude as she scurried off to the back to change clothes to go home. Exchanging LINEs, which worked in the past to soften them up over time, could not crack her mercenary attitude. "4000!" she would only respond.

Old reliable Soi Honey delivered a very decent 20 year old 30 minutes later for 1000 THB + 200 for the house. Wow, the massage partitions had markedly improved! No more cardboard walls and soiled sheets. This was by far the best change to the scene since COVID. I would return several times for BBBJs, a few more CFS, with one nerdy skinny young girl with big fake tits demanding CBJ, which I always oblige but do not prefer.

When not having to work hard during the "day" back home, I would stroll Beach Road to get some cardio and look for diamonds. Some of my best lays and terrifying situations were from the coconut bar. This trip thankfully there were no dangerous experiences, but reflecting the broader economy, the talent was significantly down along with the display of girls, often shying or cowering from the rambunctious stroll of the GoPro / cell phone vortexes of bad vibes calling themselves "vloggers"influencers". These guys need the Mexico / Colombia treatment. Luckily I found a few decent women in their 30's, of whom I would finally visit their preferred short time hotels out of curiosity. The prices for the room with a fan was 200 THB + 1000 for the lady for BBBJ + CFS.

Sometimes with a light massage first. These beds reminded me of the old Soi 6 rooms. Miraculously never got sick, likely due to historical dues.

The second biggest surprise were the amount of fat piggies. Oink. Oink. Had I landed in Angeles City? Looking back at all the old photos confirmed it wasn't less-liver-strained beer goggles of years past inciting the lust a traditional Thai woman invokes. These girls had a lot of time and extra money to sit around and pound rice. If you're into "thick" women you'll be in hog heaven. Do the, formerly "normal", skinny Thai women know they are in smaller supply?

The third surprise were the rates for CFS. I never paid more than 1500 THB this trip, with the mean around 1100 THB to the girl. Most attractive women (all prior trips paying 500 - 1000 THB) wanted 2000-3000 for a short time which is frankly not worth it. Luckily I am not as hungry as I was in my 20's and can go days without busting if needed. The best finds of the trip included a girl at "LOL Lita" bar in Soi Made in Thailand, a brand new lighter skinned, non-tattoed 8/10 who had just turned 20 according to her ID. We played a couple games of pool while having a few drinks, which cost 180 THB for her. Barfines were 800 THB. We negotiated for a while and settled on 1000 THB for CFS or 1500 THB for CFS + BBBJ, an action she was refused to provide during negotiations. Later in the room she would give me a BBBJ before I slowly fucked her very tight pussy in a few positions before busting a huge load. I would leave her with 1000 THB while she gave me a naughty smile saying "Why you not give more?" before lunging for a kiss on the cheek after exchanging LINEs and going to her taxi.

The next best find was on Soi 6 at LUST. A solid 8/10 20 year old nurse on her first week. Huge natural DDs that were as perky as any. Sweet girl with a brain; no tattoos. Settled on 1200 THB + 400 for the house. The most novel event was being punched in the cock after refusing to buy a toy or cookie from someone who should not be out late on Soi 6. The second most novel: a girl offering two shots in a two hour session for 1500 THB on Soi 6. She followed through in earnest.

Most novel new place was a massage brothel right off Walking Street that had full service as low as 1000 THB for 15 minutes of service and attractive girls. I chose the 1500 THB 30 minute package but only needed 15 minutes as the girl was a sweet young girl from Chiang Mai with another very tight pussy. The place had a nice room with clean transparent shower in which the girl was not shy in lathering you up. Not sure what it's named but you can't miss it if you notice small print. I thought their time / tier pricing model was fair and reminded me of European establishments. This could catch on.

There seems to be a large group of bars on Soi 6 which are engaging in near extortion. Minimum drinks, livestreaming, outrageous short time rates, Asian customers only, etc. I think these belonged to a certain notorious wicked group but can't be sure. Easy to avoid after a few queries upfront.

The fourth surprise were the increasing age of the girls available. Thailand apparently has decided to supply gringos with the see-team talent and gringos happily pay multiples of what was asked just a few years ago from the be and A-team talent. What's up with this 20 year old age floor? I had turned away the entire army of women at Champagne, or what's left of it, due to them being so damn ugly and old, a bevy of heavily-tatted, blown-out banshees better fitted for the Nuevo Laredo donkey show, until Mama pulled a very nice girl who turned out to be 19 from the back. Had a drink and chat with her. When asking for the barfine she said 20 was the age limit for a barfine. When she got up to dance, she kept the pair of shorts over her gstring. Lame. What the hell was happening? Is this place America? Will we be able to look at attractive women in another 10 years without legal concern?

Men, we have lost our way. Another topic for another time.

The fifth surprise was, for the first time, I felt completely assured that as the man with the balls and the money, *I* was making the rules and calling the shots completely. It was a combination of rekindling from the successes found among the masses of bad deals, the much cheaper and / or better deals had elsewhere, the lack of desperation due to time and experience, and the resolve to strengthen the fraternity ascribed to all men, regardless of background, who visit Pattaya to experience the options only celebrities (now iffy) and attractive young homosexual men can experience back home. Good pussy is in massive oversupply in Asia, Africa, Eastern Europe, and Latin America. Good money is not, regardless of the front Thai women are increasingly relying on to their detriment.

The sixth surprise were all the new clubs on Walking Street. Wow India represents! Way too loud though. Never entered. Myst is an absolute mosh pit with bad attitudes and no attractive girls that ever wanted to fuck. Insomnia still has decent talent and good vibes. Got an early 30's natural gym girl to fuck for 1000 THB at 03:00 on a weekend. Everywhere else was mostly full of uninspiring girls or girls asking 2000+ for a short time.

The seventh surprise was ThaiFriendly actually working with hot girls. In years past I had used paid versions with nothing but catfish attempts. Always sent them packing with a few baht for taxi. This time every girl was as shown. One girl was coming after her shift at her massage shop. She was a cute 22 year old girl with natural perky the tits. Great English. We talked for about an hour while.

She cleaned my messy condo up. It was so erotic watching her clean and hold her drooping t-shirt with one hand to now show her cleavage in her bra while sweeping the floor and balcony. She was a sensitive, kind girl who had a hobby of adopting stray animals. We eventually consummated our agreement, 1000 THB, after about 90 minutes of cleaning every inch of the place (with me helping) with a standard session. Ended up giving her an extra 500 THB for the cleaning and light massage she gave. She would message many times asking to clean again. In typical Pattaya fashion, I would not meet a second time. Great gal.

I would regularly chat with girls asking 3000+ for ST, prices you could get for similar age / quality if you know where to look in Dubai, among other places. Any medium chosen this trip for good, fairly-priced pussy needed uncomfortably increased effort, a troubling trend.

Have online streaming / chatting services ruined Pattaya? Are foreign simps grossly overpaying for pussy (or worse, attention), no matter how hot and young? Was it the luck of the draw this trip? Are the cameras ruining the vibe? Do men care less for their fellow man?

Nobody likely has all the answers. What I will say is that the desire to revisit Thailand has dropped heavily. Never could have imagined saying this. While not as crazy and licentious as Thailand, there are other countries nearby and in other regions that offer better value for pussy, an understatement for some. I can see a newer definition of short times with increasing pricing offered by more establishments finding middle ground to keep both pounders and providers happy. Short time guys don't use up much time, especially if the quality is high. I could also see girls offering more genuine long massages, cleaning services, and / or cooking to support the prices they are asking.

Attached are some photos of girls I had this visit. This is the lowest quality and worst trip out of many in terms of paid women. I will most likely continue my yearly trips to Europe and, occasionally, Latin America. Asia I'm not sure is worth the hike. Looking at the photos of years past confirms the hottest girls I pulled this trip were the average of prior trips, with much higher quantity and availability at lower prices. I will forever appreciate the lessons learned from visiting this novel land. The world needs the Pattaya of the past.[/QUOTE]Great report, the best so far. I had an identical experience just a week ago, I wrote about it, not so detailed and professional like you did, but everybody jumped for my throat, saying that I don't know what I'm talking about, so badly that I started to think that I lost it, and I didn't knew what I was doing.

[QUOTE=DCups;3014050]I did all the touristy stuff in Thailand, Cambodia, Indonesia, Vietnam, Philippines. Now all I want is good pussy with a nice pair of tits and a willing mouth.[/QUOTE]No matter how many times you go to these listed countries you will never see everything. (For example, The Philippines has over 7,000 Islands) Also, there are many places in countries that the average Foreign Tourists don't know about and cater to the local population. I know we all have our preferences and I love to mix it up with lots of culture and local food options. I have a exploratory and adventurous nature with a genuine interested of the culture and traditions of Foreign Lands. Of course, the ladies are the icing on the cake for sure.

[QUOTE=CaliTexMex;3014346]Recently got back from a few months trip to Thailand arriving before Songkran. Stayed in Pattaya mostly. I have not been back since right before COVID shut everything down and it was quite the shocker to return. Been coming to Thailand since 2014 yearly, sometimes with a few trips per year until the disaster of our current human leadership degraded itself to new depths.

I was primarily surprised at how the traditionally Bangkokian conceited attitude from overpriced working girls had sauntered its way south to Pattaya. Not going with hansum man, prior only rarely experienced in the more "upscale" gogos, had become a common occurrence, also infecting the bar lasses and coconut courtesans to lesser degrees, respectively. "Coyotes", "sick pussy" (STD? Bleeding? "only drink" from some, with a younger gentleman's club lady begrudgingly agreeing to a 600 THB BBBJ (+400 for the house). Windmill, Chick, Shark, Champagne (major WTF! Bliss, Sapphire. No matter the prestige or target market, all ladies were basically 4000/7000 THB + 2500 for the house, even as late as 03:15.

Prior trips I had always been able to regularly pull the hottest girls for maximum 1000/2000 + 500-1000 for the house. Any gogo was negotiable before, both barfine and lady rate. Most ever prior trips was 1000 + 2000 LT from Shooters in 2018 (back then they had serious talent) and most recent (right before COVID) and memorable was Pandoras for 400 + 1000 for a jaw dropping schoolgirl.

These are the dreams men live for and what makes a country top class.

I soon soured on the current gogo scene. During Songkran the girls' attitude in general was shit. Not as many to choose from and girls everywhere, except a few token spots, asking way too much. The most egregious was a cute 20 year old non-tattooed girl at Namthip bar asking 4000 THB + 1500 for the house to leave at 02:45 off deep in Soi Bukhao. We had bumped into each other on the street, and I was thankful to finally see an attractive natural young woman during Songkran that was available for a fine. We chatted for a while over a drink via translator. After I offered her 1000 THB for a quick shag, the next question she asked me was, "Do you like children?

I asked her to clarify. She pointed to her much older and fatter sisters. Had the feminist bullshit infected my beloved Thai women? This trip was turning out the worst trip out of roughly two dozen. Before parting ways as she refused to budge from 4000, turning down my very generous 2000 THB offer, I made sure she saw the fat stack of 1000's in my wallet as I was paying. She noticeably perked up, but quickly downplayed her gut reaction with that increasingly-common haughty, "I've got plenty of sponsors" attitude as she scurried off to the back to change clothes to go home. Exchanging LINEs, which worked in the past to soften them up over time, could not crack her mercenary attitude. "4000!" she would only respond.

Old reliable Soi Honey delivered a very decent 20 year old 30 minutes later for 1000 THB + 200 for the house. Wow, the massage partitions had markedly improved! No more cardboard walls and soiled sheets. This was by far the best change to the scene since COVID. I would return several times for BBBJs, a few more CFS, with one nerdy skinny young girl with big fake tits demanding CBJ, which I always oblige but do not prefer.

When not having to work hard during the "day" back home, I would stroll Beach Road to get some cardio and look for diamonds. Some of my best lays and terrifying situations were from the coconut bar. This trip thankfully there were no dangerous experiences, but reflecting the broader economy, the talent was significantly down along with the display of girls, often shying or cowering from the rambunctious stroll of the GoPro / cell phone vortexes of bad vibes calling themselves "vloggers"influencers". These guys need the Mexico / Colombia treatment. Luckily I found a few decent women in their 30's, of whom I would finally visit their preferred short time hotels out of curiosity. The prices for the room with a fan was 200 THB + 1000 for the lady for BBBJ + CFS.

Sometimes with a light massage first. These beds reminded me of the old Soi 6 rooms. Miraculously never got sick, likely due to historical dues.

The second biggest surprise were the amount of fat piggies. Oink. Oink. Had I landed in Angeles City? Looking back at all the old photos confirmed it wasn't less-liver-strained beer goggles of years past inciting the lust a traditional Thai woman invokes. These girls had a lot of time and extra money to sit around and pound rice. If you're into "thick" women you'll be in hog heaven. Do the, formerly "normal", skinny Thai women know they are in smaller supply?

The third surprise were the rates for CFS. I never paid more than 1500 THB this trip, with the mean around 1100 THB to the girl. Most attractive women (all prior trips paying 500 - 1000 THB) wanted 2000-3000 for a short time which is frankly not worth it. Luckily I am not as hungry as I was in my 20's and can go days without busting if needed. The best finds of the trip included a girl at "LOL Lita" bar in Soi Made in Thailand, a brand new lighter skinned, non-tattoed 8/10 who had just turned 20 according to her ID. We played a couple games of pool while having a few drinks, which cost 180 THB for her. Barfines were 800 THB. We negotiated for a while and settled on 1000 THB for CFS or 1500 THB for CFS + BBBJ, an action she was refused to provide during negotiations. Later in the room she would give me a BBBJ before I slowly fucked her very tight pussy in a few positions before busting a huge load. I would leave her with 1000 THB while she gave me a naughty smile saying "Why you not give more?" before lunging for a kiss on the cheek after exchanging LINEs and going to her taxi.

The next best find was on Soi 6 at LUST. A solid 8/10 20 year old nurse on her first week. Huge natural DDs that were as perky as any. Sweet girl with a brain; no tattoos. Settled on 1200 THB + 400 for the house. The most novel event was being punched in the cock after refusing to buy a toy or cookie from someone who should not be out late on Soi 6. The second most novel: a girl offering two shots in a two hour session for 1500 THB on Soi 6. She followed through in earnest.

Most novel new place was a massage brothel right off Walking Street that had full service as low as 1000 THB for 15 minutes of service and attractive girls. I chose the 1500 THB 30 minute package but only needed 15 minutes as the girl was a sweet young girl from Chiang Mai with another very tight pussy. The place had a nice room with clean transparent shower in which the girl was not shy in lathering you up. Not sure what it's named but you can't miss it if you notice small print. I thought their time / tier pricing model was fair and reminded me of European establishments. This could catch on.

There seems to be a large group of bars on Soi 6 which are engaging in near extortion. Minimum drinks, livestreaming, outrageous short time rates, Asian customers only, etc. I think these belonged to a certain notorious wicked group but can't be sure. Easy to avoid after a few queries upfront.

The fourth surprise were the increasing age of the girls available. Thailand apparently has decided to supply gringos with the see-team talent and gringos happily pay multiples of what was asked just a few years ago from the be and A-team talent. What's up with this 20 year old age floor? I had turned away the entire army of women at Champagne, or what's left of it, due to them being so damn ugly and old, a bevy of heavily-tatted, blown-out banshees better fitted for the Nuevo Laredo donkey show, until Mama pulled a very nice girl who turned out to be 19 from the back. Had a drink and chat with her. When asking for the barfine she said 20 was the age limit for a barfine. When she got up to dance, she kept the pair of shorts over her gstring. Lame. What the hell was happening? Is this place America? Will we be able to look at attractive women in another 10 years without legal concern?

Men, we have lost our way. Another topic for another time.

The fifth surprise was, for the first time, I felt completely assured that as the man with the balls and the money, *I* was making the rules and calling the shots completely. It was a combination of rekindling from the successes found among the masses of bad deals, the much cheaper and / or better deals had elsewhere, the lack of desperation due to time and experience, and the resolve to strengthen the fraternity ascribed to all men, regardless of background, who visit Pattaya to experience the options only celebrities (now iffy) and attractive young homosexual men can experience back home. Good pussy is in massive oversupply in Asia, Africa, Eastern Europe, and Latin America. Good money is not, regardless of the front Thai women are increasingly relying on to their detriment.

The sixth surprise were all the new clubs on Walking Street. Wow India represents! Way too loud though. Never entered. Myst is an absolute mosh pit with bad attitudes and no attractive girls that ever wanted to fuck. Insomnia still has decent talent and good vibes. Got an early 30's natural gym girl to fuck for 1000 THB at 03:00 on a weekend. Everywhere else was mostly full of uninspiring girls or girls asking 2000+ for a short time.

The seventh surprise was ThaiFriendly actually working with hot girls. In years past I had used paid versions with nothing but catfish attempts. Always sent them packing with a few baht for taxi. This time every girl was as shown. One girl was coming after her shift at her massage shop. She was a cute 22 year old girl with natural perky the tits. Great English. We talked for about an hour while.

She cleaned my messy condo up. It was so erotic watching her clean and hold her drooping t-shirt with one hand to now show her cleavage in her bra while sweeping the floor and balcony. She was a sensitive, kind girl who had a hobby of adopting stray animals. We eventually consummated our agreement, 1000 THB, after about 90 minutes of cleaning every inch of the place (with me helping) with a standard session. Ended up giving her an extra 500 THB for the cleaning and light massage she gave. She would message many times asking to clean again. In typical Pattaya fashion, I would not meet a second time. Great gal.

I would regularly chat with girls asking 3000+ for ST, prices you could get for similar age / quality if you know where to look in Dubai, among other places. Any medium chosen this trip for good, fairly-priced pussy needed uncomfortably increased effort, a troubling trend.

Have online streaming / chatting services ruined Pattaya? Are foreign simps grossly overpaying for pussy (or worse, attention), no matter how hot and young? Was it the luck of the draw this trip? Are the cameras ruining the vibe? Do men care less for their fellow man?

Nobody likely has all the answers. What I will say is that the desire to revisit Thailand has dropped heavily. Never could have imagined saying this. While not as crazy and licentious as Thailand, there are other countries nearby and in other regions that offer better value for pussy, an understatement for some. I can see a newer definition of short times with increasing pricing offered by more establishments finding middle ground to keep both pounders and providers happy. Short time guys don't use up much time, especially if the quality is high. I could also see girls offering more genuine long massages, cleaning services, and / or cooking to support the prices they are asking.

Attached are some photos of girls I had this visit. This is the lowest quality and worst trip out of many in terms of paid women. I will most likely continue my yearly trips to Europe and, occasionally, Latin America. Asia I'm not sure is worth the hike. Looking at the photos of years past confirms the hottest girls I pulled this trip were the average of prior trips, with much higher quantity and availability at lower prices. I will forever appreciate the lessons learned from visiting this novel land. The world needs the Pattaya of the past.[/QUOTE]All I read was he found a Hottie and he offered 1,000. Hahaha.

1. Are you from the sub, continent that rhymes with chindia.

2. Come on Bro.

Might read the whole thing later. Dude.

[QUOTE=CaliTexMex;3014346]Recently got back from a few months trip to Thailand arriving before Songkran. Stayed in Pattaya mostly. I have not been back since right before COVID shut everything down and it was quite the shocker to return. Been coming to Thailand since 2014 yearly, sometimes with a few trips per year until the disaster of our current human leadership degraded itself to new depths.

I was primarily surprised at how the traditionally Bangkokian conceited attitude from overpriced working girls had sauntered its way south to Pattaya. Not going with hansum man, prior only rarely experienced in the more "upscale" gogos, had become a common occurrence, also infecting the bar lasses and coconut courtesans to lesser degrees, respectively. "Coyotes", "sick pussy" (STD? Bleeding? "only drink" from some, with a younger gentleman's club lady begrudgingly agreeing to a 600 THB BBBJ (+400 for the house). Windmill, Chick, Shark, Champagne (major WTF! Bliss, Sapphire. No matter the prestige or target market, all ladies were basically 4000/7000 THB + 2500 for the house, even as late as 03:15.

Prior trips I had always been able to regularly pull the hottest girls for maximum 1000/2000 + 500-1000 for the house. Any gogo was negotiable before, both barfine and lady rate. Most ever prior trips was 1000 + 2000 LT from Shooters in 2018 (back then they had serious talent) and most recent (right before COVID) and memorable was Pandoras for 400 + 1000 for a jaw dropping schoolgirl.

These are the dreams men live for and what makes a country top class.

I soon soured on the current gogo scene. During Songkran the girls' attitude in general was shit. Not as many to choose from and girls everywhere, except a few token spots, asking way too much. The most egregious was a cute 20 year old non-tattooed girl at Namthip bar asking 4000 THB + 1500 for the house to leave at 02:45 off deep in Soi Bukhao. We had bumped into each other on the street, and I was thankful to finally see an attractive natural young woman during Songkran that was available for a fine. We chatted for a while over a drink via translator. After I offered her 1000 THB for a quick shag, the next question she asked me was, "Do you like children?

I asked her to clarify. She pointed to her much older and fatter sisters. Had the feminist bullshit infected my beloved Thai women? This trip was turning out the worst trip out of roughly two dozen. Before parting ways as she refused to budge from 4000, turning down my very generous 2000 THB offer, I made sure she saw the fat stack of 1000's in my wallet as I was paying. She noticeably perked up, but quickly downplayed her gut reaction with that increasingly-common haughty, "I've got plenty of sponsors" attitude as she scurried off to the back to change clothes to go home. Exchanging LINEs, which worked in the past to soften them up over time, could not crack her mercenary attitude. "4000!" she would only respond.

Old reliable Soi Honey delivered a very decent 20 year old 30 minutes later for 1000 THB + 200 for the house. Wow, the massage partitions had markedly improved! No more cardboard walls and soiled sheets. This was by far the best change to the scene since COVID. I would return several times for BBBJs, a few more CFS, with one nerdy skinny young girl with big fake tits demanding CBJ, which I always oblige but do not prefer.

When not having to work hard during the "day" back home, I would stroll Beach Road to get some cardio and look for diamonds. Some of my best lays and terrifying situations were from the coconut bar. This trip thankfully there were no dangerous experiences, but reflecting the broader economy, the talent was significantly down along with the display of girls, often shying or cowering from the rambunctious stroll of the GoPro / cell phone vortexes of bad vibes calling themselves "vloggers"influencers". These guys need the Mexico / Colombia treatment. Luckily I found a few decent women in their 30's, of whom I would finally visit their preferred short time hotels out of curiosity. The prices for the room with a fan was 200 THB + 1000 for the lady for BBBJ + CFS.

Sometimes with a light massage first. These beds reminded me of the old Soi 6 rooms. Miraculously never got sick, likely due to historical dues.

The second biggest surprise were the amount of fat piggies. Oink. Oink. Had I landed in Angeles City? Looking back at all the old photos confirmed it wasn't less-liver-strained beer goggles of years past inciting the lust a traditional Thai woman invokes. These girls had a lot of time and extra money to sit around and pound rice. If you're into "thick" women you'll be in hog heaven. Do the, formerly "normal", skinny Thai women know they are in smaller supply?

The third surprise were the rates for CFS. I never paid more than 1500 THB this trip, with the mean around 1100 THB to the girl. Most attractive women (all prior trips paying 500 - 1000 THB) wanted 2000-3000 for a short time which is frankly not worth it. Luckily I am not as hungry as I was in my 20's and can go days without busting if needed. The best finds of the trip included a girl at "LOL Lita" bar in Soi Made in Thailand, a brand new lighter skinned, non-tattoed 8/10 who had just turned 20 according to her ID. We played a couple games of pool while having a few drinks, which cost 180 THB for her. Barfines were 800 THB. We negotiated for a while and settled on 1000 THB for CFS or 1500 THB for CFS + BBBJ, an action she was refused to provide during negotiations. Later in the room she would give me a BBBJ before I slowly fucked her very tight pussy in a few positions before busting a huge load. I would leave her with 1000 THB while she gave me a naughty smile saying "Why you not give more?" before lunging for a kiss on the cheek after exchanging LINEs and going to her taxi.

The next best find was on Soi 6 at LUST. A solid 8/10 20 year old nurse on her first week. Huge natural DDs that were as perky as any. Sweet girl with a brain; no tattoos. Settled on 1200 THB + 400 for the house. The most novel event was being punched in the cock after refusing to buy a toy or cookie from someone who should not be out late on Soi 6. The second most novel: a girl offering two shots in a two hour session for 1500 THB on Soi 6. She followed through in earnest.

Most novel new place was a massage brothel right off Walking Street that had full service as low as 1000 THB for 15 minutes of service and attractive girls. I chose the 1500 THB 30 minute package but only needed 15 minutes as the girl was a sweet young girl from Chiang Mai with another very tight pussy. The place had a nice room with clean transparent shower in which the girl was not shy in lathering you up. Not sure what it's named but you can't miss it if you notice small print. I thought their time / tier pricing model was fair and reminded me of European establishments. This could catch on.

There seems to be a large group of bars on Soi 6 which are engaging in near extortion. Minimum drinks, livestreaming, outrageous short time rates, Asian customers only, etc. I think these belonged to a certain notorious wicked group but can't be sure. Easy to avoid after a few queries upfront.

The fourth surprise were the increasing age of the girls available. Thailand apparently has decided to supply gringos with the see-team talent and gringos happily pay multiples of what was asked just a few years ago from the be and A-team talent. What's up with this 20 year old age floor? I had turned away the entire army of women at Champagne, or what's left of it, due to them being so damn ugly and old, a bevy of heavily-tatted, blown-out banshees better fitted for the Nuevo Laredo donkey show, until Mama pulled a very nice girl who turned out to be 19 from the back. Had a drink and chat with her. When asking for the barfine she said 20 was the age limit for a barfine. When she got up to dance, she kept the pair of shorts over her gstring. Lame. What the hell was happening? Is this place America? Will we be able to look at attractive women in another 10 years without legal concern?

Men, we have lost our way. Another topic for another time.

The fifth surprise was, for the first time, I felt completely assured that as the man with the balls and the money, *I* was making the rules and calling the shots completely. It was a combination of rekindling from the successes found among the masses of bad deals, the much cheaper and / or better deals had elsewhere, the lack of desperation due to time and experience, and the resolve to strengthen the fraternity ascribed to all men, regardless of background, who visit Pattaya to experience the options only celebrities (now iffy) and attractive young homosexual men can experience back home. Good pussy is in massive oversupply in Asia, Africa, Eastern Europe, and Latin America. Good money is not, regardless of the front Thai women are increasingly relying on to their detriment.

The sixth surprise were all the new clubs on Walking Street. Wow India represents! Way too loud though. Never entered. Myst is an absolute mosh pit with bad attitudes and no attractive girls that ever wanted to fuck. Insomnia still has decent talent and good vibes. Got an early 30's natural gym girl to fuck for 1000 THB at 03:00 on a weekend. Everywhere else was mostly full of uninspiring girls or girls asking 2000+ for a short time.

The seventh surprise was ThaiFriendly actually working with hot girls. In years past I had used paid versions with nothing but catfish attempts. Always sent them packing with a few baht for taxi. This time every girl was as shown. One girl was coming after her shift at her massage shop. She was a cute 22 year old girl with natural perky the tits. Great English. We talked for about an hour while.

She cleaned my messy condo up. It was so erotic watching her clean and hold her drooping t-shirt with one hand to now show her cleavage in her bra while sweeping the floor and balcony. She was a sensitive, kind girl who had a hobby of adopting stray animals. We eventually consummated our agreement, 1000 THB, after about 90 minutes of cleaning every inch of the place (with me helping) with a standard session. Ended up giving her an extra 500 THB for the cleaning and light massage she gave. She would message many times asking to clean again. In typical Pattaya fashion, I would not meet a second time. Great gal.

I would regularly chat with girls asking 3000+ for ST, prices you could get for similar age / quality if you know where to look in Dubai, among other places. Any medium chosen this trip for good, fairly-priced pussy needed uncomfortably increased effort, a troubling trend.

Have online streaming / chatting services ruined Pattaya? Are foreign simps grossly overpaying for pussy (or worse, attention), no matter how hot and young? Was it the luck of the draw this trip? Are the cameras ruining the vibe? Do men care less for their fellow man?

Nobody likely has all the answers. What I will say is that the desire to revisit Thailand has dropped heavily. Never could have imagined saying this. While not as crazy and licentious as Thailand, there are other countries nearby and in other regions that offer better value for pussy, an understatement for some. I can see a newer definition of short times with increasing pricing offered by more establishments finding middle ground to keep both pounders and providers happy. Short time guys don't use up much time, especially if the quality is high. I could also see girls offering more genuine long massages, cleaning services, and / or cooking to support the prices they are asking.

Attached are some photos of girls I had this visit. This is the lowest quality and worst trip out of many in terms of paid women. I will most likely continue my yearly trips to Europe and, occasionally, Latin America. Asia I'm not sure is worth the hike. Looking at the photos of years past confirms the hottest girls I pulled this trip were the average of prior trips, with much higher quantity and availability at lower prices. I will forever appreciate the lessons learned from visiting this novel land. The world needs the Pattaya of the past.[/QUOTE]In 2018, I was paying about $50/ girl for amazing service in Colombia. The Pandemic changed everything! Many young men started traveling with their online work. Many cut girls starting making videos and selling them. Girls were leaving Colombia to work in Mexico, Europe, and places for better money. I lost many girls to these countries. Not only that, but the passport bros were coming and dumping money left and right. For them, spending $100-$150 on a girl is cheap while the experienced mongers know better.

2 years ago, I met a sexy ex puta. Initially I bough her content and she finally came for some action. She was very sexy, thin, tall, etc. Her story was that she saw men for a couple of years but during the pandemic, she had to stop because of the restrictions in place of contact so she did online contect selling. She found a boyfriend and him and her starting making videos and selling them online. They made enough money that she did not have to work.

During the pandemic, the US starting printing money and was handing it out like candy. Broke ass fooos were get large checks in the mail and some people were making more on unemployment than working. All of this pumped extra money to the pockets of passport bros. With the western girls tighting their pussies for the local guys and these girls were selling their shit online, the local young men became frustrated and decided to monger.

When I'm on the plane to medellin, I see so many younger men around the age of 25-35 there for a short time and they will drop some money to get some action.

There are more and more videos of people walking with cameras in areas of the working girls. Men in the west see this and they want a piece of it.

Now the going rate is around $100 and it's it's a simple supply and demand. The supply may have gone up a tiny bit and I think the super cut girls sell their content. The deman is very high because of the passport bros. So even the uglies or fatties or both think they are forth a lot of money.

But I think that girls selling content online is changing or at least the demand is. Initially there were few girls doing it then it went to hundreds, and now it's hundreds of thousands of girls. So the competition is fierce. Being super is not cutting it anymore and now the girls must do things that stand out from the rest. With invent of AI porn, these little bitches who sell their content will see a big reduction in their easy earnings.

Welcome to the new earth and I'm also in the same boat as you are my friend. Heading to pattaya in August.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3014329]Yes, that's what I said initially: ONE WAY, and the first class thing was a joke.

Any way, I was only trying to help. No need to convince you, or nobody else about nothing, because "nothing else matters".

Regular fare 2 way from US is around 1500, sometime more, sometime less depends on how lucky you are.

Myself, I only buy one way because I live in SEA, and I don't really know where I'm going to end up next month. Maybe I read about some interesting place, or some add with cheap airfare pops up in my email, or I read about pussy being on sale someplace, that's how I make my plans.[/QUOTE]Not picking on you I appreciate the comments. But your original post did not come out and say it was One Way, and you noting the airline Starlux on make it seem you double down you are only now clarifying you do one way only but the price noted that is my oversight! You noted a price like 385 another poster indicated it was cheap must be one way there was never a clarification so I proceeded as you noted to check and found the price RT, was more to as you noted now 1300-1500 USD depending on when you travel. Being in the airline industry when I see a price quote to low to believe I do the research since as noted I have standby benefits with near all airlines and my benefits are around 375 USD RT.

For the other poster who said ten more minutes Skyscanner, I checked the lowest I saw and of course dates are important best in baht 24,000 baht RT, not bad, but nothing as noted in the range of Euro 595!

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;3014420]Not picking on you I appreciate the comments. But your original post did not come out and say it was One Way, and you noting the airline Starlux on make it seem you double down you are only now clarifying you do one way only but the price noted that is my oversight! You noted a price like 385 another poster indicated it was cheap must be one way there was never a clarification so I proceeded as you noted to check and found the price RT, was more to as you noted now 1300-1500 USD depending on when you travel. Being in the airline industry when I see a price quote to low to believe I do the research since as noted I have standby benefits with near all airlines and my benefits are around 375 USD RT.

For the other poster who said ten more minutes Skyscanner, I checked the lowest I saw and of course dates are important best in baht 24,000 baht RT, not bad, but nothing as noted in the range of Euro 595![/QUOTE]After Pattaya I had to go for a really short trip to Germany, before returning to PH. The ticket to Germany was dirt cheap, and I had half the airplane to myself. Coming back was a different story, the cost was 4X.

[QUOTE=Andres901;3014415]In 2018, I was paying about $50/ girl for amazing service in Colombia. The Pandemic changed everything! Many young men started traveling with their online work. Many cut girls starting making videos and selling them. Girls were leaving Colombia to work in Mexico, Europe, and places for better money. I lost many girls to these countries. Not only that, but the passport bros were coming and dumping money left and right. For them, spending $100-$150 on a girl is cheap while the experienced mongers know better.

2 years ago, I met a sexy ex puta. Initially I bough her content and she finally came for some action. She was very sexy, thin, tall, etc. Her story was that she saw men for a couple of years but during the pandemic, she had to stop because of the restrictions in place of contact so she did online contect selling. She found a boyfriend and him and her starting making videos and selling them online. They made enough money that she did not have to work.

During the pandemic, the US starting printing money and was handing it out like candy. Broke ass fooos were get large checks in the mail and some people were making more on unemployment than working. All of this pumped extra money to the pockets of passport bros. With the western girls tighting their pussies for the local guys and these girls were selling their shit online, the local young men became frustrated and decided to monger.

When I'm on the plane to medellin, I see so many younger men around the age of 25-35 there for a short time and they will drop some money to get some action.

There are more and more videos of people walking with cameras in areas of the working girls. Men in the west see this and they want a piece of it.

Now the going rate is around $100 and it's it's a simple supply and demand. The supply may have gone up a tiny bit and I think the super cut girls sell their content. The deman is very high because of the passport bros. So even the uglies or fatties or both think they are forth a lot of money.

But I think that girls selling content online is changing or at least the demand is. Initially there were few girls doing it then it went to hundreds, and now it's hundreds of thousands of girls. So the competition is fierce. Being super is not cutting it anymore and now the girls must do things that stand out from the rest. With invent of AI porn, these little bitches who sell their content will see a big reduction in their easy earnings.

Welcome to the new earth and I'm also in the same boat as you are my friend. Heading to pattaya in August.[/QUOTE]My understanding is the Passport Bros are Broke.

Unlike the Koreans. Hahaha. Hahaha.

My understanding is the Bros like moo dang type girls.

Unlike the Koreans. Hahaha. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3014473]After Pattaya I had to go for a really short trip to Germany, before returning to PH. The ticket to Germany was dirt cheap, and I had half the airplane to myself. Coming back was a different story, the cost was 4X.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the information but the fare you are discussing now has no relationship to our prior conversation regarding said destination to and from USA West coast to Bangkok.

Thank you for a great update. Have not been looking at the Thailand forum for a bit and this report prepares me really well for a Jan / Feb trip.

Very unlikely that anything of the past is going to come back, so we have to make do the best we can with the cards dealt with.

Cheers / Pulse.

[QUOTE=CaliTexMex;3014346]Recently got back from a few months trip to Thailand arriving before Songkran. Stayed in Pattaya mostly. I have not been back since right before COVID shut everything down and it was quite the shocker to return. Been coming to Thailand since 2014 yearly, sometimes with a few trips per year until the disaster of our current human leadership degraded itself to new depths.
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Nobody likely has all the answers. What I will say is that the desire to revisit Thailand has dropped heavily. Never could have imagined saying this. While not as crazy and licentious as Thailand, there are other countries nearby and in other regions that offer better value for pussy, an understatement for some. I can see a newer definition of short times with increasing pricing offered by more establishments finding middle ground to keep both pounders and providers happy. Short time guys don't use up much time, especially if the quality is high. I could also see girls offering more genuine long massages, cleaning services, and / or cooking to support the prices they are asking.

Attached are some photos of girls I had this visit. This is the lowest quality and worst trip out of many in terms of paid women. I will most likely continue my yearly trips to Europe and, occasionally, Latin America. Asia I'm not sure is worth the hike. Looking at the photos of years past confirms the hottest girls I pulled this trip were the average of prior trips, with much higher quantity and availability at lower prices. I will forever appreciate the lessons learned from visiting this novel land. The world needs the Pattaya of the past.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;3014612]Thanks for the information but the fare you are discussing now has no relationship to our prior conversation regarding said destination to and from USA West coast to Bangkok.[/QUOTE]You are funny, not to say it otherwise. It was a freaking example on how fares can go up and down unexpectedly, sometimes ridiculously low, distance to Europe being approximately the same as to the West coast US, it was just a generalization. Based on your replies, now I understand why you're not finding cheaper fares. Let's end the talk about air travel here, and focus on the main subject: Good luck, and happy mongering to you!

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3014656]You are funny, not to say it otherwise. It was a freaking example on how fares can go up and down unexpectedly, sometimes ridiculously low, distance to Europe being approximately the same as to the West coast US, it was just a generalization. Based on your replies, now I understand why you're not finding cheaper fares. Let's end the talk about air travel here, and focus on the main subject: Good luck, and happy mongering to you![/QUOTE]Agree! For your own sake let's move on conversation becoming old and ugly.

Usually I don't go to agogo's because they are too damn expensive. I go 3 times a year to Pattaya and check everything out.

Beach road (1000-1500).

Ibar 2000ST.

Soi Honey Up to You massage 1 300ST (Kim!

Freelancers etc.

The price difference is strange. In Shark I took out nr 961 (spinner, small body, nice tattoos.) for a great session. But 3 000 barfine for ST of 2 hours, and 4 000 for the lady.

She was well worth it.

Could anybody check if she is still there? Or. Check if she is still good?) I know 7 000 is probably too much.

I go back in August 10 for 3 weeks.

People who want to meet up, are welcome. I always go by myself and could use a wise wingman sometimes to prevent me to fall in love.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;3013617]OK so I have traveled many places in the world for decades but never to Thailand, about 10 years ago got only as close as the Philippines.

Now for the past almost 15 years living in Colombia and have played in every city and pueblo in Colombia both non-pro, freelancers and pros, I don't discriminate LOL, and I love Latin women especially Colombian chicas.

But out of curiosity I have read through a few pages on this forum and see the photos, the prices, the various venues and have drawn some conclusions namely:

1. The going rate is roughly 3000 BHT (Which is roughly $90 USD and here in Medellin I typically pay 130,000 Colombian pesos for a beautiful fresh and young gal with great attitude and girl friends sex to boot, now 130,000 pesos is about $35. USD.

2. The heat in Thailand is a turn off, I have partied in the Phillipines, the DR, Havana Cuba and all through Mexico and frankly the heat / humidity is no fun, unlike the weather we have in Medellin as it is always Spring here.

3. I just checked the airfare from Medellin Colombia to Thailand and you have to travel through the USA so the times to fly is about 2 days plus, no good then THE COST is ridiculous as I see the cost for RT as about $2,800 USD! Crazy. (I am curios as to what you are paying for a RT flight from a US city?

4. I have read and watched on YouTube that in Pattaya especially it is being overrun by Indians, is this true?

So all in all I just answered my own curiosity and questions, it is a no go for me to travel to Thailand.

I can fly RT from Medellin to the DR or Havana Cuba for about $335 USD and the flight is a few hours and not a few days.

Be safe all!

TTM.[/QUOTE]Funny that I was on the fence about an Asian trip and was thinking maybe I should just do a trip to MDE instead. It's a short flight from southern Florida, I haven't been there, and I speak fairly decent Spanish. I have done a few trips to Cartagena and the heat there is even worse than in Florida. In the end I was going out to the west coast for another reason and figured I might as well keep going.

I am over 70, and I am beyond traveling just for cheap pussy. Although I will indulge extensively. At my age I don't believe in going or staying anywhere I don't want to be. I will enjoy the women in Bangkok and Pattaya until I am totally worn out. But I will also enjoy the food, the sights, the people, the temples, the markets, and just being somewhere completely different. I will get to MDE and the beautiful Colombian women, but there are things I want to see and I don't know how much longer I will be able to (or want to) make this kind of trip.

It's funny that the comparison to MDE has come up here, because as I was reading that forum I saw all the same complaints about how things have been ruined by (passport bros or insert group name), how the market has been ruined, and how the city isn't the same as it was (insert number of years) ago. Moreso in the Cartagena forum, and don't even look at the Sosua / DR forums. The fact is that everywhere is worse than it used to be. Unfortunately, we can't go somewhere 10 years ago; we can only go somewhere now.

As one more thought, IMO there is a difference between going somewhere for "sex" and "sex tourism". Sometimes the whole experience is more important than just the quality and price of the sex. I am sorely lacking in experience with Asian women, and I want to correct that oversight. I also want to experience Soi 6 and Nana Plaza and a blowjob bar and Thai massage parlors and Thermae and everything else. The entire experience is much more than the time it takes to bust a nut or two.

Anyway, first trip upcoming and I plan to be in Pattaya for a few days Aug 19-22. DMs are open if anyone wants me to buy them a drink or two while I am there. Tall Man, DM you when I make that MDE trip.

J.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;3014839]The fact is that everywhere is worse than it used to be. Unfortunately, we can't go somewhere 10 years ago; we can only go somewhere now.

J.[/QUOTE]The complaints that things aren't the same as decades ago have infected all the forums. My reply remains the same in that, while times have changed, if guys put the same effort in, then the same results are available. Now guys are expecting discount airfares, direct transit busses and 5 star accomodation. Decades ago cheap pussy came with an epic adventure just to get there, the most basic of accomodation and often warm beers.

To add to the MDE comparisons, while guys are complaining about $200 girls in Manila, I've just come off two months in the provinces where standard rates were P2000/$35 for as long as I wanted her, typically late afternoon to mid morning. I posted comments that I was actually pleasantly surprised by the uptick in looks and performance vs previous visits. I'm sure that the same is available in LOS or <<insert preferred destination>>. Just not on Walking St or Nana Plaza.

Apologies for the rant.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Lars123;3014802]People who want to meet up, are welcome. I always go by myself and could use a wise wingman sometimes to prevent me to fall in love.[/QUOTE]Falling in love is the fun part.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3014845]The complaints that things aren't the same as decades ago have infected all the forums. My reply remains the same in that, while times have changed, if guys put the same effort in, then the same results are available. Now guys are expecting discount airfares, direct transit busses and 5 star accomodation. Decades ago cheap pussy came with an epic adventure just to get there, the most basic of accomodation and often warm beers.

To add to the MDE comparisons, while guys are complaining about $200 girls in Manila, I've just come off two months in the provinces where standard rates were P2000/$35 for as long as I wanted her, typically late afternoon to mid morning. I posted comments that I was actually pleasantly surprised by the uptick in looks and performance vs previous visits. I'm sure that the same is available in LOS or <<insert preferred destination>>. Just not on Walking St or Nana Plaza.

Apologies for the rant.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]The same guys complaining are also the same guys that are afraid to go anywhere they don't see any other foreigners or they say they want a travel companion, a Wingman, a drinking buddy, etc. I like rolling solo. All I have to worry about is just "Me".

[QUOTE=Goferring;3014845]To add to the MDE comparisons, while guys are complaining about $200 girls in Manila, I've just come off two months in the provinces where standard rates were P2000/$35 for as long as I wanted her, typically late afternoon to mid morning. I posted comments that I was actually pleasantly surprised by the uptick in looks and performance vs previous visits. I'm sure that the same is available in LOS or <<insert preferred destination>>. Just not on Walking St or Nana Plaza.[/QUOTE]We need to have a bit of self-awareness LOL. Most Thailand visitors aren't spending two months in the provinces of the Philippines. I lived in southern Africa half a century ago more or less, and I would buy a bar girl a couple of drinks, take her home to a place nicer than wherever she was staying, and give her "cab fare" in the morning knowing damn well that she was walking. I wasn't a tourist (not that there were many) and I didn't get tourist pricing. That was then; this is now.

When I visit I am going to a country I have never been to before, where I speak exactly zero of the local language, and where I am following in the footsteps of tens of thousands of other visitors in the same situation. Why the hell should I expect "local pricing"? Why would I expect things to be the way they were 10 years ago? Hell, if things were the way they were 10 years ago I wouldn't be leaving southern Florida, because no market has gone to hell the way this place has.

If I am traveling somewhere I expect to familiarize myself with pricing in the local market. Not what I would pay if I lived there; what pricing is for tourists. Because I AM a tourist. I expect to do my research so I know what outlets are available, and which are most likely to meet my needs (brothel, agency, independent, massage parlor, etc.). Once I have done my part I expect to have as good a time as possible within those parameters. What I DON'T expect is to get ripped off because I compare everything to prices at home, or to throw money around because everything seems so cheap. There are going to be those who have been in the local market who resent newcomers and want things to be the way they were. Sorry. There is a difference between prices increasing due to supply and demand, and people "ruining the market" by overpaying.

Pretty sure I will be able to have a good time with those expectations.

[QUOTE=Lars123;3014802]Usually I don't go to agogo's because they are too damn expensive. I go 3 times a year to Pattaya and check everything out.

Beach road (1000-1500).

Ibar 2000ST.

Soi Honey Up to You massage 1 300ST (Kim!

Freelancers etc.

The price difference is strange. In Shark I took out nr 961 (spinner, small body, nice tattoos.) for a great session. But 3 000 barfine for ST of 2 hours, and 4 000 for the lady.

She was well worth it.

Could anybody check if she is still there? Or. Check if she is still good?) I know 7 000 is probably too much.

I go back in August 10 for 3 weeks.

People who want to meet up, are welcome. I always go by myself and could use a wise wingman sometimes to prevent me to fall in love.[/QUOTE]What you pay is up to you, but when were you in town last that BF at Shark was 3000 baht.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;3014985]We need to have a bit of self-awareness LOL. Most Thailand visitors aren't spending two months in the provinces of the Philippines. I lived in southern Africa half a century ago more or less, and I would buy a bar girl a couple of drinks, take her home to a place nicer than wherever she was staying, and give her "cab fare" in the morning knowing damn well that she was walking. I wasn't a tourist (not that there were many) and I didn't get tourist pricing. That was then; this is now.

When I visit I am going to a country I have never been to before, where I speak exactly zero of the local language, and where I am following in the footsteps of tens of thousands of other visitors in the same situation. Why the hell should I expect "local pricing"? Why would I expect things to be the way they were 10 years ago? Hell, if things were the way they were 10 years ago I wouldn't be leaving southern Florida, because no market has gone to hell the way this place has..[/QUOTE]Why not trying to get dirty cheap deals if you're able to, not everyone is wealthy stock owner that has money flowing to his bank account based on the Wall Street affairs, most of us are just working class people who work for a year in our places of residence (I am originally from Balkans area but I live in California and NYC for the past 30 years), I work menial jobs like construction and moving throughout the year and then maybe once every two years I am able to afford a trip to Colombia or Philippines and sure as hell I fly into Manila but immediately hop on the bus to AC to get those provincial fun rates as opposed to be looked upon as rich American in Manila which I'm definitely not. Last time I was in San Jose, Costa Rica, the one hour prices at the popular hotel (I forgot the name of it) were about $150 per hour, but thank to the local guides that are standing outside the hotel, they took me literally around the corner where those short term places were, it's like bunch of bars with room in the back, the same thing was like $30 for 20 or 30 minutes, amazing talent. So, it's always good to look for the best opportunity to get more bang for your buck unless money is not an object, which I assume for most of us here that's not the case.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;3015089]What you pay is up to you, but when were you in town last that BF at Shark was 3000 baht.[/QUOTE]Correction I just heard from my source you must have gotten a discount? The 9 you pick was the highest currently it is 3500.

[QUOTE=CaliTraveler;3015095]Why not trying to get dirty cheap deals if you're able to, not everyone is wealthy stock owner that has money flowing to his bank account based on the Wall Street affairs, most of us are just working class people who work for a year in our places of residence (I am originally from Balkans area but I live in California and NYC for the past 30 years), I work menial jobs like construction and moving throughout the year and then maybe once every two years I am able to afford a trip to Colombia or Philippines and sure as hell I fly into Manila but immediately hop on the bus to AC to get those provincial fun rates as opposed to be looked upon as rich American in Manila which I'm definitely not. Last time I was in San Jose, Costa Rica, the one hour prices at the popular hotel (I forgot the name of it) were about $150 per hour, but thank to the local guides that are standing outside the hotel, they took me literally around the corner where those short term places were, it's like bunch of bars with room in the back, the same thing was like $30 for 20 or 30 minutes, amazing talent. So, it's always good to look for the best opportunity to get more bang for your buck unless money is not an object, which I assume for most of us here that's not the case.[/QUOTE]I can get in my car and find a streetwalker to give me a blowjob for $40 here, or I can book an escort for $400 (or $1000). Maybe the streetwalker even gives a better blowjob than the $400 escort. You take your choice, but don't try to get the $400 escort to give you a blowjob for $40, and don't pay the streetwalker $200 and think it's a good deal because the escort would have been $400. That is all I am saying.

Know the local pricing so you know what the right price range is and you aren't comparing prices to what you would pay back home, or in the provinces, or anywhere else. Also, don't expect the same deal you would get if you actually were a local, spoke the language, and were part of the community. Good idea going to AC instead of Manila if the local prices are better there, but don't go to Manila and then complain that you paid less in the provinces. That's all.

Have fun!!

[QUOTE=Lars123;3014802]People who want to meet up, are welcome. I always go by myself and could use a wise wingman sometimes to prevent me to fall in love.[/QUOTE]I will be there Aug 19-22. I would enjoy meeting but you don't have Private Messages enabled. You have to pay a modest amount, but not too much for a guy who pays 7000 for ST LOL.

Anyone else who is around, I will buy the first round (at least).

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;3015161]I will be there Aug 19-22. I would enjoy meeting but you don't have Private Messages enabled. You have to pay a modest amount, but not too much for a guy who pays 7000 for ST LOL.

Anyone else who is around, I will buy the first round (at least).[/QUOTE]I see you have to pay with bitcoin, so I did not try to do it. Is there another possibility?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;3015089]What you pay is up to you, but when were you in town last that BF at Shark was 3000 baht.[/QUOTE]I was there last year in October and this year in April.

2 friends of minework there, they charge it and get it. Mostly Japanese, Korean and US customers.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3014860]Falling in love is the fun part.[/QUOTE]Regarding my own experiences, it's fun at first. Then, it became hell sooner or later.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;3015692]Regarding my own experiences, it's fun at first. Then, it became hell sooner or later.[/QUOTE]That's why we are all here.

[QUOTE=Lars123;3015597]I see you have to pay with bitcoin, so I did not try to do it. Is there another possibility?[/QUOTE]Sending USD cash sounds risky AF but it does work.

Instructions and addresses are in the New Subscription page.

G.

[QUOTE=Lars123;3015603]I was there last year in October and this year in April.

2 friends of minework there, they charge it and get it. Mostly Japanese, Korean and US customers.[/QUOTE]I was there early December, my cousin BF a girl he new way back now was a waitress there her BF was 2000, and even a waitress was asking 4000ST, as noted recently I checked with another who I've know for a long time about the BF as you noted 3600 baht she noted there are like 4 levels of BF depending on the girls numbers lowest and starting is 2000 baht, girls number starting with 9 is the highest at 3600 baht.

A little help.

I am returning to Pattaya after a 10-year hiatus. I have been going there since 1978 on a regular basis.

But after 10 years, I have a few questions:

I have always went to the dark and raunchiest clubs, like X-Zone. Do some of those clubs still exist?

Blow job bars and dart show place; where?

My favorite Gentlemen's Club was Kinnaree Place; any place better.

And yes, I RTFF forums.

For years, I depended on posts from LittleBigMan, Mr E. , and Horse Trader.

Anyone, please chime in with your thoughts.

Tijuana.

[QUOTE=TomJackin;3015818]For years, I depended on posts from LittleBigMan, Mr E. , and Horse Trader.
[/QUOTE]That's funny because for years I relied on your posts of Tijuana. Once I made a Tijuana post about a squirter from Hong Kong and the next post was you providing a picture of soaked bedding, perhaps from your encounter with the same girl.

I'm no expert on Pattaya, but I can fill you in regarding BKK, Chiang Mai, Samui, and some other places. For Pattaya, I recommend MrE and LBM who have proven reliable and accurate.

My only strong recommendation is to get a premium membership to ThaiFriendly. For those times when you can't find what you want in bars, clubs, massage places, or streets, ThaiFriendly can get a doable girl to your room within about an hour. It's also great for those days when you are just too lazy to go out and scout yourself.

[QUOTE=TomJackin;3015818]Blow job bars; where? [/QUOTE]I have always been a fan of Telephone Bar, Soi 2 South Pattaya Road. They have a facebook page too. [URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100051592045486[/URL].

[QUOTE=TomJackin;3015818]A little help.[/QUOTE]There is an entire User Blog Covering [B]Pattaya Gentleman's Clubs[/B] along with venues where it is possible to get your dick sucked as a separately priced service. I rely on my own information as I have not found another poster up in dis ***** that contributes as much on the subject as I do.

Note, [U]Cat Flaps[/U] is temporally closed due to a recent fire and is still under renovation.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3005938]Hunny Lounge Gentlemans Club.

[u]Services and Pricing[/u].

Drinks: I paid 240* for a Lady Drink and a Chang Beer.

Facilities: Curtin Around Booth = 250; Room Upstairs 350.

Services: Dick Suck = 500; Boom Boom = 1500.

*All pricing in Thai Baht.[/QUOTE][B]Always enjoyed your extensive and detailed trip reports everyplace you have posted them! [/B]

I came to Pattaya fresh off of my Jakarta Trip June 2025 (Report was posted).

Pattaya was on my radar for as long as I can remember.

Finally in late 2019 I made arrangement to visit the following summer.

We all know what happened that fateful summer.

Five years later and I finally made the plunge.

I have to give credit to my good friend Gabacho (he went summer 2024).

Guided by Gabacho, I stayed in North Pattaya on Soi 4.

July 1 I flew from Jakarta to Singapore then to Bangkok.

Due to a plane delay, I did not make the last bus and had to use Grab.

The Grab at 1 am was 1600 baht.

As I got closer to Pattaya I couldn't believe it when beach road appeared.

I remember watching videos of beach road as a kid LOL.

Gabacho guided me on lady prices and that helped me out immensely.

By staying in the North, I was close to any area that I needed.

Background Information:

I am a dark skinned Mexican American.

Have mongered in Germany, Tijuana, Medellin, Jakarta, Sosua.

While in Pattaya I exclusively used Thai Friendly.

Almost every single girl that came to my apartment was surprised by:

1. That I was staying alone LOL.

2. That I could pass off as Thai (I feel this might have helped).

I spent time with more than 20 lovely ladies off of Thai friendly.

All of them were 1200 for short time and at least half asked to repeat.

Girls that countered a higher fare were told no thanks.

My very first girl was a cute 20 year old who hopped on me raw LOL.

Let's just say I lasted about a solid 5-6 thrusts LOL.

In all, I had a great time in Pattaya. My 2020 trip was finally realized.

For food, I shopped at Big see Central Marina and the SoHo Crispy Pork Vendors.

[QUOTE=InsolentSpike;3015869]I have to give credit to my good friend Gabacho (he went summer 2024). Guided by Gabacho, I stayed in North Pattaya on Soi 4.
July 1 I flew from Jakarta to Singapore then to Bangkok. Due to a plane delay, I did not make the last bus and had to use Grab. The Grab at 1 am was 1600 baht. As I got closer to Pattaya I couldn't believe it when beach road appeared. I remember watching videos of beach road as a kid LOL. Gabacho guided me on lady prices and that helped me out immensely. By staying in the North, I was close to any area that I needed.
[u]Background Information[/u]:
I am a dark skinned Mexican American. Have mongered in Germany, Tijuana, Medellin, Jakarta, Sosua. While in Pattaya I exclusively used Thai Friendly.

Almost every single girl that came to my apartment was surprised by: 1. That I was staying alone LOL. 2. That I could pass off as Thai (I feel this might have helped).

I spent time with more than 20 lovely ladies off of Thai friendly. All of them were 1200 for short time and at least half asked to repeat.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the very detailed and informative trip report [B]InsolentSpike[/B].

Respect!

[QUOTE=InsolentSpike;3015869]I came to Pattaya fresh off of my Jakarta Trip June 2025 (Report was posted).

Pattaya was on my radar for as long as I can remember.

Finally in late 2019 I made arrangement to visit the following summer.

We all know what happened that fateful summer.

Five years later and I finally made the plunge.

I have to give credit to my good friend Gabacho (he went summer 2024).

Guided by Gabacho, I stayed in North Pattaya on Soi 4.

July 1 I flew from Jakarta to Singapore then to Bangkok.

Due to a plane delay, I did not make the last bus and had to use Grab.

The Grab at 1 am was 1600 baht.

As I got closer to Pattaya I couldn't believe it when beach road appeared.

I remember watching videos of beach road as a kid LOL.

Gabacho guided me on lady prices and that helped me out immensely.

By staying in the North, I was close to any area that I needed.

Background Information:

I am a dark skinned Mexican American.

Have mongered in Germany, Tijuana, Medellin, Jakarta, Sosua.

While in Pattaya I exclusively used Thai Friendly.

Almost every single girl that came to my apartment was surprised by:

1. That I was staying alone LOL.

2. That I could pass off as Thai (I feel this might have helped).

I spent time with more than 20 lovely ladies off of Thai friendly.

All of them were 1200 for short time and at least half asked to repeat.

Girls that countered a higher fare were told no thanks.

My very first girl was a cute 20 year old who hopped on me raw LOL.

Let's just say I lasted about a solid 5-6 thrusts LOL.

In all, I had a great time in Pattaya. My 2020 trip was finally realized.

For food, I shopped at Big see Central Marina and the SoHo Crispy Pork Vendors.[/QUOTE]I have used Thai friendly in the past but when I have video called the girls, they were ugly. Their images were very pretty. So question #1, how did their online photos compared to their real selves?

Number #2 question, were most of the girls straight working girls or part timbers?

I'm heading to Pattaya in August and got a hotel on beach road for the main purpose of picking up girls from the straight. I like to see them in person and talk with them before I decide to take them for a short time. These days, I can only do one at night so if the girl is terrible, I wasted my night.

Sounds like you have a good trip.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3015863]There is an entire User Blog Covering [B]Pattaya Gentleman's Clubs[/B] along with venues where it is possible to get your dick sucked as a separately priced service. I rely on my own information as I have not found another poster up in dis ***** that contributes as much on the subject as I do.

Note, [U]Cat Flaps[/U] is temporally closed due to a recent fire and is still under renovation.

[B]Always enjoyed your extensive and detailed trip reports everyplace you have posted them! [/B][/QUOTE]Yes, I do RTFF.

I appreciate you spending a lot of time and providing useful information on your reports.

Cap Flaps. Noted.

[QUOTE=Mexidan;3015832]I have always been a fan of Telephone Bar, Soi 2 South Pattaya Road. They have a facebook page too. [URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100051592045486[/URL].[/QUOTE]Thanks for the information.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3015827]That's funny because for years I relied on your posts of Tijuana. Once I made a Tijuana post about a squirter from Hong Kong and the next post was you providing a picture of soaked bedding, perhaps from your encounter with the same girl.

I'm no expert on Pattaya, but I can fill you in regarding BKK, Chiang Mai, Samui, and some other places. For Pattaya, I recommend MrE and LBM who have proven reliable and accurate.

[/QUOTE]Thanks for jarring my memory on the squirter; that was funny. Also thanks for the ThaiFriendly recommendation.

[QUOTE=TomJackin;3015818]A little help.

I am returning to Pattaya after a 10-year hiatus. I have been going there since 1978 on a regular basis.

But after 10 years, I have a few questions:

I have always went to the dark and raunchiest clubs, like X-Zone. Do some of those clubs still exist?

Blow job bars and dart show place; where?

My favorite Gentlemen's Club was Kinnaree Place; any place better.

And yes, I RTFF forums.

For years, I depended on posts from LittleBigMan, Mr E. , and Horse Trader.

Anyone, please chime in with your thoughts.

Tijuana.[/QUOTE]Sadly, X-Zone is gone so is the other clubs on Soi 15, even the seafood restaurant across is gone. Pretty much from Baccarra on down majority are Indian clubs.

As for Kinnaree, it is still there and in my opinion still the best for me although my last visit being low season the picking was really low in numbers even for a Saturday when Pork ribs and Brisket is on the menu. In high season I found the last Saturday of the month has the greatest choices since many Freelancers that normally don't come during the month do to get rent money creating alot more choices. Food now I think 499 but if you spend more than 1100 baht the meal is free, rooms are 350 and ST is now 1500 baht.

As for ping pong shows I've long been out of touch see one seen them all! But on W. S. Outside Soi Diamond there are bunch pushing for the sex shows but don't venture into the Russia clubs. You might give places like Windmill, LK Metro, Kinks, Soi Boomerrang, you got places like Heaven Above, bunch of GC on this Soi, you got on Soi Lengkee, near the corner of 3rd road, La Post kind of like Telephone, Soi Pothole which is now paved the Soi known close to Soi Exite, is like the new Soi 6, lots of GC, like Maggie Mays, mentioned a lot here, another OXO?

Good luck,

[QUOTE=InsolentSpike;3015869]I came to Pattaya fresh off of my Jakarta Trip June 2025 (Report was posted).

Pattaya was on my radar for as long as I can remember.

Finally in late 2019 I made arrangement to visit the following summer.

We all know what happened that fateful summer.

Five years later and I finally made the plunge.

I have to give credit to my good friend Gabacho (he went summer 2024).

Guided by Gabacho, I stayed in North Pattaya on Soi 4.

July 1 I flew from Jakarta to Singapore then to Bangkok.

Due to a plane delay, I did not make the last bus and had to use Grab.

The Grab at 1 am was 1600 baht.

As I got closer to Pattaya I couldn't believe it when beach road appeared.

I remember watching videos of beach road as a kid LOL.

Gabacho guided me on lady prices and that helped me out immensely.

By staying in the North, I was close to any area that I needed..[/QUOTE]Nothing like Hong Kong bar in Pattaya. Plus the Mexican food is lacking in taste.

Pattaya is very crowded now, but most bars have few customers.

Pattaya is crowded due to Thai population growth, lots of people moving from Isaan to Pattaya. And there are mass numbers of Indian tourists.

But few Westerners, which is bad for the ladies.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3015879]Thank you for the very detailed and informative trip report [B]InsolentSpike[/B].

Respect![/QUOTE]Thank YOU to the Legend SubCmdr!

[QUOTE=Andres901;3015961]
So question #1, how did their online photos compared to their real selves?
Number #2 question, were most of the girls straight working girls or part timbers?
[/QUOTE]1. Great Question. Almost all the girls looked exactly like their photos BUT one did show up and was clearly about 20 lbs heavier LOL I still had a session with her but I definitely felt catfished LOL.

2. It was mostly clear working girls. Some from bars and others that freelance exclusively. I did have one or two who claimed to work off of Thai Friendly only once or twice a week.

I am also a one girl a day now as I am getting older so I understand your concern. Thankfully I was always able to find a backup girl in case. I still went with the clearly heavier girl but if it was 50lbs or more than I likely would have sent her packing lol

[U]Agogos[/U]

Windmill and KINK.

[U]Getting my dick sucked[/U]

Daytime: Honey Lounge; Afternoon: Club Excite; Night: Lips Lounge.

[U]Gentlemans Clubs[/U]

Heaven Above; Club Fate; Kinnaree; Cat Flaps (closed); Kings Club; Babylon Lounge; Voodoo Club; Play Girls; Red Hot Blue;.

[U]Locations[/U]

Soi Honey; LK Metro; Soi Boomerrang (and the street right next to it has bars with hot girls in them); Soi Pothole; Not my style, but don't sleep on the Soi Bong Koch (13 different GCs).

[U]To have a drink[/U]

The Cocktail Car (AKA The Bus Bar) at the corner of Tree Town and Soi Buakhao.

[B]Not an exhaustive list![/B]

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;3016050]Plus the Mexican food is lacking in taste.[/QUOTE]I like the taco stand in the food court next to the [U]Bus Bar AKA The Cocktail Car[/U]. There is also [U]Mike's Mexican[/U]. Good food but expensive. Only worth it to me when I just have to have my Mexican fix. I find many of Italian Restaurants to be lacking. I can cook a better Italian meal than most just buy watching the Chef Videos on YouTube. There is one that is excellent [U]Frankie's Inn[/U] but you are not going to get out of there for less than 1000 for a bowl of pasta and a salad.

[B]In my opinion[/B], If you really want good food Cockbang is the spot. The restaurants are on a completely different level up in that *****. But you better have a stack and be ready to spend it!

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3016074][U]Agogos[/U]

Windmill and KINK.

[U]Getting my dick sucked[/U]

Daytime: Honey Lounge; Afternoon: Club Excite; Night: Lips Lounge.

[U]Gentlemans Clubs[/U]

Heaven Above; Club Fate; Kinnaree; Cat Flaps (closed); Kings Club; Babylon Lounge; Voodoo Club; Play Girls; Red Hot Blue;.

[U]Locations[/U]

Soi Honey; LK Metro; Soi Boomerrang (and the street right next to it has bars with hot girls in them); Soi Pothole; Not my style, but don't sleep on the Soi Bong Koch (13 different GCs).

[U]To have a drink[/U]

The Cocktail Car (AKA The Bus Bar) at the corner of Tree Town and Soi Buakhao.

[B]Not an exhaustive list![/B][/QUOTE]I think this pretty much covers my needs for a 3-day visit! Thank yoiu!!

Not even close Jay, Go Go-wise because Pattaya has some outstanding Go Go's filled with lots of really attractive, young, girls. And they don't come cheap!

Windmill and KINK are bawdy alright and far lewder than anything I have seen in Whiskeria 4 x4 in Rio which is a very bawdy bordello, but the quality of Windmill / Kink girls is simply atrocious. Meaning, I have never seen one fuck worthy girl in either place! But I guess everybody has their own idea of what beauty is and probably more importantly, everybody has a different limit on personal spending.

So, check out Windmill at some point in your trip, just for a laugh and to say you were there, then head over to places like Pin Up, XS, and Palace where the prettiest girls in Pat Go Go's work. The difference in quality is mind blowing. Your welcome,

A. H.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;3016176]I think this pretty much covers my needs for a 3-day visit! Thank yoiu!![/QUOTE]I did not know BJ bars still existed in Pattaya. Thank you for the advice.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;3015692]Regarding my own experiences, it's fun at first. Then, it became hell sooner or later.[/QUOTE]Exactly my point. Never again. Did it twice. Disaster. Hell.

So inflation means a general priceincrease because of an expansion of the money supply. People belive prices in Pattaya has risen because of inflation. I had an interestng conversation with a soi 6 girl that I want to share with you. I found her on twitter. She is an average looker in Repent bar that asks 900 online form thai customers.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;3016354]So inflation means a general priceincrease because of an expansion of the money supply. People belive prices in Pattaya has risen because of inflation. I had an interestng conversation with a soi 6 girl that I want to share with you. I found her on twitter. She is an average looker in Repent bar that asks 900 online form thai customers.[/QUOTE]I didn't understand nothing from the conversation. What's the lesson to be learned here? You wanted to pay 1K, and she wanted 2k. So?

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3016368]I didn't understand nothing from the conversation. What's the lesson to be learned here? You wanted to pay 1K, and she wanted 2k. So?[/QUOTE]Not understanding. Nothing means you actually understood everything. If you understood nothing, that means you didn't understand but with the negative of that it means you understood everything.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;3016050]Nothing like Hong Kong bar in Pattaya. Plus the Mexican food is lacking in taste.[/QUOTE]Then you have not been to Taco Taco on Pattaya Klang Soi 9 or Taco Tuesdays at Tigglebitties.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3016118]I like the taco stand in the food court next to the [U]Bus Bar AKA The Cocktail Car[/U]. There is also [U]Mike's Mexican[/U]. Good food but expensive. Only worth it to me when I just have to have my Mexican fix. I find many of Italian Restaurants to be lacking. I can cook a better Italian meal than most just buy watching the Chef Videos on YouTube. There is one that is excellent [U]Frankie's Inn[/U] but you are not going to get out of there for less than 1000 for a bowl of pasta and a salad.

[B]In my opinion[/B], If you really want good food Cockbang is the spot. The restaurants are on a completely different level up in that *****. But you better have a stack and be ready to spend it![/QUOTE]Mexican food is tough to come by here but like most things depends on what one grew up eating? Mike is good, I in the past though Tequila Reef Soi 7, was good, my first Taco was at Taco Bell, although I've been to lots of good home cooking Mexican places back home here in Pattaya, I still hit Taco Bell once a month.

I also grew up on Italian food, tough to find a good pizza to my liking what I grew up on back home. Bella's on 2nd road, across from Soi 6, not bad pass on pizza, Yes, I think Frankie In, Jomtien 2nd Road not bad, lasagna good, pizza was so so depending on choice.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;3016372]Not understanding. Nothing means you actually understood everything. If you understood nothing, that means you didn't understand but with the negative of that it means you understood everything.[/QUOTE]Sorry for the semantics, but other uneducated people like myself probably understood the popular meaning of the phrase.

I will be more careful in the future to be grammatically correct and double check everything before posting in the pussy dedicated section of the web. Who knows? One day my writings may get me a Pulitzer award.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;3016381]Mexican food is tough to come by here but like most things depends on what one grew up eating? Mike is good, I in the past though Tequila Reef Soi 7, was good, my first Taco was at Taco Bell, although I've been to lots of good home cooking Mexican places back home here in Pattaya, I still hit Taco Bell once a month.

I also grew up on Italian food, tough to find a good pizza to my liking what I grew up on back home. Bella's on 2nd road, across from Soi 6, not bad pass on pizza, Yes, I think Frankie In, Jomtien 2nd Road not bad, lasagna good, pizza was so so depending on choice.[/QUOTE]I used to hit the beer bars on Soi 7, and take a break in the late afternoon for a meal at Tequila Reef. The food was great, looked like Mexican food, tasted like something else.

I think I stayed at Flipper House, and brought ST ladies there. Or was it Flipper Lodge?

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;3016354]So inflation means a general priceincrease because of an expansion of the money supply. People belive prices in Pattaya has risen because of inflation. I had an interestng conversation with a soi 6 girl that I want to share with you. I found her on twitter. She is an average looker in Repent bar that asks 900 online form thai customers.[/QUOTE]Really not much of a "conversation" LOL.

I posted this in the Cartagena forum about local prices from a Colombian review board. For reference, 4000 COP = $1. Based on recent posts girls are asking and getting 500 K COP for gringo prices. If you want to get local Thai prices, next life be reincarnated as a Thai.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;3002800]There is at least one Colombian review board (doncolombia dot com) that may be useful in verifying girls and getting info on prices, performance, and services. Since the subject of local vs. Gringo pricing has been frequently discussed, here are local prices from a few reviews.

Zarem - 130 K / HR; 60 K / qv Hotel Darling, which is apparently infamous to locals.

Sofia - 70 K / hh Hotel Arizona, also outside of tourist areas.

Giselle - 70 K / qv BBW, also Hotel Arizona.

Sara / Kamila - 150 K / HR with anal (hard and deep, per review) Area described as "not unsafe, but not a place you would leave your car for long).

Karola - 400 K / overnight Outcall.

All referenced mileroticos ads except for Karola, who was on Skokka. I'm not suggesting these are girls any of us would choose, but it gives you an idea of what the locals are getting and where they are going.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mdemde;2975027]I read some posts on the forum a week or so ago about TB in Thailand, I'm chipping in today with my experience but can't find the original posts so can't link to any of them.

Anyway, I was living in Pattaya in the late 80's/early 90's, and caught TB. I had been living in Thailand for a few years, the first year in Bkk before moving down to Pattaya. I went to bed one night without a care in the world but woke up in the early hours with breathing difficulties. It was a strange sensation. I could breathe in but only up to about half my lung capacity. As hard as I tried, I could not get more than half-way. I didn't have a cough or fever, and had no pain, but thought it would be a good idea to get to a hospital.

My then-partner drove us to the hospital, and when she explained the problem to the nurses I was put in a wheelchair and given oxygen by way of a mask which was connected to a small oxygen tank at the back of the wheelchair. Within seconds I was able to take a deep, deep breath, and fill my lungs to capacity. I almost had an orgasm!! On the 15 or so minute journey to the hospital, I really thought that my time was up and wondered if I might even make it to the hospital.

After some tests they diagnosed TB and I was given an injection(s) (I can't remember how many) and put on a course of antibiotics and I ended up spending 3 or 4 nights in the hospital. My partner was also tested for TB but the results were negative. When I was released I was given more medication to take, daily, from memory it was for about 6 months.[/QUOTE]Excellent post. Sadly most TB in Thailand and Philippines are undiagnosed and untreated resulting into a severe illness. I have lost a good friend due to undiagnosed TB until it was too late. Get tested often.

Is October a good time to visit pattaya for action? Is it the end of the rainy season and can we expect many more girls walking the streets? Please advise. If Oct. Is not the right time I can come in Nov too.

[QUOTE=Gloryjack;3016534]Is October a good time to visit pattaya for action? Is it the end of the rainy season and can we expect many more girls walking the streets? Please advise. If Oct. Is not the right time I can come in Nov too.[/QUOTE]November is already High Season, so October is better.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;3016445]I used to hit the beer bars on Soi 7, and take a break in the late afternoon for a meal at Tequila Reef. The food was great, looked like Mexican food, tasted like something else.[/QUOTE]I ate at the original Tequila Reef here in the Philippines yesterday. I had a taco salad. Seems they pour vegetable soup on top of their taco salads. I had never had one with green beans, potatoes, and cubed carrots before.

[QUOTE=Gloryjack;3016534]Is October a good time to visit pattaya for action? Is it the end of the rainy season and can we expect many more girls walking the streets? Please advise. If Oct. Is not the right time I can come in Nov too.[/QUOTE]It can be more rainy in October than November.

Prices will be already up in November, particularly accomodations prices.

The quantity of girls will be pretty much the same.

Personnaly I much prefer October.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3016618]I ate at the original Tequila Reef here in the Philippines yesterday. [/QUOTE]I stopped in there a couple of times last year, but only for the huge margaritas.

[QUOTE=TomJackin;3016731]I stopped in there a couple of times last year, but only for the huge margaritas.[/QUOTE]I believe the father owned and ran the one on Soi 7, prior to his death. When that happened the son from the Phili came to run it for a while, I remember one evening there were problems the long time cook, got pissed and left. I got all the rumor details from a long time waitress working there.

After like two years I was notified that it was closing, moving to new location up from Big see extra, in a small mall off Pattaya Klang, for me that was a death sentence. The waitress said the rent was like 250,000 be a month the key money was like 1-2 million baht. I thought that is a lot of F tacos one got to sell!

I believe it was sold to a Thai American family because they son in particularly spoke really good English remember something they were from Texas or something! As noted the location was a death sentence Covid put it to bed sadly.

There is mild uncertainty in Pattaya over the border clashes. A lot of the ladies come from the affected provinces, where some areas are being evacuated. Also, the area around Trat.

Cambodians are lying low. There are more of them than most people know.

Thanks. I think I'll do mid November. I'd like to avoid the rains as much as I can. Will there be more supply of women in November? Last time when I visited during rainy season, I did not see too many good looking women around.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3016709]It can be more rainy in October than November.

Prices will be already up in November, particularly accomodations prices.

The quantity of girls will be pretty much the same.

Personnaly I much prefer October.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;3016778]There is mild uncertainty in Pattaya over the border clashes. A lot of the ladies come from the affected provinces, where some areas are being evacuated. Also, the area around Trat.

Cambodians are lying low. There are more of them than most people know.[/QUOTE]I was just ready to ask how is the situation on the ground in Pattaya? I crossed the land border at Krong Poi Pet, 5 months ago, I guess that's no longer possible. Is that affecting the mongering in Pattaya? I read it's more than a border skirmish, with 15 death and fighter jets involved.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3016836]I was just ready to ask how is the situation on the ground in Pattaya? I crossed the land border at Krong Poi Pet, 5 months ago, I guess that's no longer possible. Is that affecting the mongering in Pattaya? I read it's more than a border skirmish, with 15 death and fighter jets involved.[/QUOTE]No impact on Pattaya mongering.

[QUOTE=Gloryjack;3016798]Thanks. I think I'll do mid November. I'd like to avoid the rains as much as I can. Will there be more supply of women in November? Last time when I visited during rainy season, I did not see too many good looking women around.[/QUOTE]The number of ladies in Pattaya in November is about the same as October.

The big ramp up comes in January, as the ladies tell their friends back home about the money they made during High season. So the friends start filtering into Pattaya, some don't arrive until May.

Cool. But will the weather be nice and sunny in November? I was hoping to go and see some.

Islands too.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;3016846]The number of ladies in Pattaya in November is about the same as October.

The big ramp up comes in January, as the ladies tell their friends back home about the money they made during High season. So the friends start filtering into Pattaya, some don't arrive until May.[/QUOTE]

Has anyone travelled from pattaya to koh samet? How was the experience, and is the island worth visiting? Heard its nice and small and pretty. Though I doubt one can get freelancers there.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;3016739]I believe it was sold to a Thai American family because they son in particularly spoke really good English remember something they were from Texas or something! As noted the location was a death sentence Covid put it to bed sadly.[/QUOTE]Exactly. And there was hardly anyone at the new location the couple of times I visited. It was more like tucked away in a business park. Definitely not getting any new customers that way. Only people who already knew the place from Soi 7 and looked the new location up on google maps.

The Angeles City location stays in full swing though. I would say it is one of the best places to eat in that city of horrible food. The other day a chick tried to get me to take her to a Filipino restaurant. I told her no thanks. Last time I ate at one of those, I was on the toilet for 2 weeks. Ruining asparagus by drowning it in syrup gravy. What kind of bullshit is that?

[QUOTE=TomJackin;3016731]I stopped in there a couple of times last year, but only for the huge margaritas.[/QUOTE]I ordered Tequila because I liked the little dance the waitress did when you bought one. I would go there for lunch every other day. I really liked the place but it was pretty much game over when Daryl the owner passed away.

[QUOTE=Gloryjack;3016906]Has anyone travelled from pattaya to koh samet? How was the experience, and is the island worth visiting? Heard it’s nice and small and pretty. Though I doubt one can get freelancers there.[/QUOTE]I've visited Koh Samet, but just once. I brought my own girl, which is recommended because mongering opportunities did not seem obvious. Parts of the island have beautiful sand beaches, the nicest I've seen in the Gulf of Thailand. Other places have beaches of boulders, which are very nice for sitting and reflecting. The island is covered in resorts and when I went the visitors were mostly from east Asia. Very few farang, subcontinent, or Africa. When I walked out of my resort I was forced to go very close to a disgusting, fly infested pile of trash; such pockets were common, this was just outside of my 4-star resort. Several outdoor restaurants were fly infested. Transportation on the island is limited, so wear comfortable shoes.

In summary, it's a beautiful island with beautiful resorts, but there are unavoidable pockets of filth. If you go, I recommend that you bring your own girl. Definitely bring DEET, you will need it at night.

I was hoping for some nightspots to watch live rock music thanks so much.

[QUOTE=JayWonEm;3016176]I think this pretty much covers my needs for a 3-day visit! Thank yoiu!![/QUOTE]Are you ok with Hit Girls at 1,000 baht.

Know who you taking advice from. You can't be wasting time at Kinkand Windmill unless you like OlUglies.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;3016354]So inflation means a general priceincrease because of an expansion of the money supply. People belive prices in Pattaya has risen because of inflation. I had an interestng conversation with a soi 6 girl that I want to share with you. I found her on twitter. She is an average looker in Repent bar that asks 900 online form thai customers.[/QUOTE]Are you Thai. Dude.

Desire Bar Livestream. There's a character DEMON said he spent $25,000 on $5 online drinks. That was a few weeks ago.

Since then I would not be Surprised if he over $50,000.

Last night he supported' $2,000 online.

Could be the guy who spent $25,000 on Article Intelligence Jennifer Aniston. She said she would marry him. Hahaha. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=UglyAzzMan;3017117]Desire Bar Livestream. There's a character DEMON said he spent $25,000 on $5 online drinks. That was a few weeks ago.

Since then I would not be Surprised if he over $50,000.

Last night he supported' $2,000 online.

Could be the guy who spent $25,000 on Article Intelligence Jennifer Aniston. She said she would marry him. Hahaha. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]Dude, Jennifer Anniston is 56 years old.

I been to Koh Sameth.

It is very nice and very pretty.

There were free lancer in a bar just after the port. They work in evening and night.

But they were not so young and not so beautiful.

You could go for a nice sea break, not for paied girls.

[QUOTE=Gloryjack;3016906]Has anyone travelled from pattaya to koh samet? How was the experience, and is the island worth visiting? Heard its nice and small and pretty. Though I doubt one can get freelancers there.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE]Are you ok with girls at 1,000 baht.[/QUOTE]My understanding that individuals are only limited by their either their personal budgets or what they are willing to pay. [B]KrumeLurer[/B] suggests that even [U]1000 THB[/U] is too high a price to pay in order to hire a prostitute.

[QUOTE]You can't be wasting time at Kink and Windmill[/QUOTE]Kink and Windmill are two of my favorites Agogos. Never a waste of time for me. I spend a lot more than 1000 THB when I am up in there.

[B]Question can anyone up in here go to what is considered a top tier Agogo on walking street and spend less than 1000 THB? [/B]

Because my understanding is out of those places the total out the door price to fuck is 6000 - 10000 THB. Correct me if I am wrong!

I was in patttaya in April. Found a fun LT girl from thai friendly. 9 nights,3 hotels in pattaya and 5 nights in Bangkok. We found live music every night we choose. Mostly rock cover bands, some reggae. Most drinks resonable price. My 1st night found decent rock band in open bar and went 3 times. The ladies were overpriced but music good. Explore a bit. Also hit more of a high roller, stage show, including some ladyboys type music venue. It was fun and lively.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3017288]My understanding that individuals are only limited by their either their personal budgets or what they are willing to pay. [B]KrumeLurer[/B] suggests that even [U]1000 THB[/U] is too high a price to pay in order to hire a prostitute.

Kink and Windmill are two of my favorites Agogos. Never a waste of time for me. I spend a lot more than 1000 THB when I am up in there.

[B]Question can anyone up in here go to what is considered a top tier Agogo on walking street and spend less than 1000 THB? [/B]

Because my understanding is out of those places the total out the door price to fuck is 6000 - 10000 THB. Correct me if I am wrong![/QUOTE]There was a time I didn't 1000 baht, but since the end of Covid I do it all the time! Whenever I do go out, I try to visit 2-3 places after dinner. I've narrowed it down to on WS, no more than 5 GoGo's, LK, 2, I would visit, these places in the past I noticed if I order the special Beer, generally 95 baht, although not a beer drinker the servers would come by after a few minutes pull my tab and take a look as to when I arrived. So I switch back to my Sangsom on the rocks more expensive one or two allows me to see the full rotation and I move on damage 400 baht tops lighter.

My motor today, go look at a steak and then if I have the urge get a hamburger. LOL,

Hello mongers.

I'll be in bkk in Aug after a pretty long gap. Since I'm in for 2 days in bkk and 2 days in patt, and apart from massage I want to try some freelancers.

And since pick ups can be a hit or miss, and not enough time, I'm looking for help. Can anyone please DM me any good trusted thai FL in bkk and pattaya, contact who is good looking.

Cheers.

I am planning a trip soon, I saw less reports regarding where to find russians / european in pattaya.

It will be good if anyone can inform me where I can also charges what I can expect.

[QUOTE=Sylvestor2001;3017934]I am planning a trip soon, I saw less reports regarding where to find russians / european in pattaya. It will be good if anyone can inform me where I can also charges what I can expect.[/QUOTE]There are clubs on Walking Street. Universal opinion is that they are all rip offs. [U]Thai Friendly[/U] you can run across them but you cannot search for them. I've noticed a lot of Russians posted up in Pratumnak.

Got noting for you on pricing. I am into Thai Girls. Every Russian Girl that I have a discussion with on [U]Thai Friendly[/U] is charing a 1.5 - 2 times premium over the prices I am willing to pay and that pretty Thai girls of all ages are willing to accept.

Yep, I totally agree. I never understood why guys come to Thailand and then start looking for other nationalities, Russian girls, middle eastern girls, or African girls. In my experience the local fruit is always sweeter.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3018045]There are clubs on Walking Street. Universal opinion is that they are all rip offs. [U]Thai Friendly[/U] you can run across them but you cannot search for them. I've noticed a lot of Russians posted up in Pratumnak.

Got noting for you on pricing. I am into Thai Girls. Every Russian Girl that I have a discussion with on [U]Thai Friendly[/U] is charing a 1.5 - 2 times premium over the prices I am willing to pay and that pretty Thai girls of all ages are willing to accept.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3018045]There are clubs on Walking Street. Universal opinion is that they are all rip offs. [U]Thai Friendly[/U] you can run across them but you cannot search for them. I've noticed a lot of Russians posted up in Pratumnak.

Got noting for you on pricing. I am into Thai Girls. Every Russian Girl that I have a discussion with on [U]Thai Friendly[/U] is charing a 1.5 - 2 times premium over the prices I am willing to pay and that pretty Thai girls of all ages are willing to accept.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your advice, noted.

[QUOTE=PrinceRaj2126;3017333]Hello mongers.

I'll be in bkk in Aug after a pretty long gap. Since I'm in for 2 days in bkk and 2 days in patt, and apart from massage I want to try some freelancers.

And since pick ups can be a hit or miss, and not enough time, I'm looking for help. Can anyone please DM me any good trusted thai FL in bkk and pattaya, contact who is good looking.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Copy me too LOL.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3018045]There are clubs on Walking Street. Universal opinion is that they are all rip offs. [U]Thai Friendly[/U] you can run across them but you cannot search for them. I've noticed a lot of Russians posted up in Pratumnak.

Got noting for you on pricing. I am into Thai Girls. Every Russian Girl that I have a discussion with on [U]Thai Friendly[/U] is charing a 1.5 - 2 times premium over the prices I am willing to pay and that pretty Thai girls of all ages are willing to accept.[/QUOTE]Back in the day, I lived in Russia, and would find Russian cheerleader types in the provinces for $20 - $30. The Russian ladies in Pattaya don't do it for me, they are old and out of shape. Once every few years, I will take a Thai lady to a Walking Street Russian bar, where some Russian lady will fawn over her. Of course a lady drink might be 700 baht.

Tons of Indian guys come in, but are presented with a drink menu immediately. Followed by them running out the door.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3018056]Yep, I totally agree. I never understood why guys come to Thailand and then start looking for other nationalities, Russian girls, middle eastern girls, or African girls. In my experience the local fruit is always sweeter.[/QUOTE]I agree too, but there are exceptions, in the 80's I regularly traveled to HK, then into China my local cousins were my tour guy one of them love the white chicks so whenever he came to the States I did the repayment. Then White meat was abundant his favorite place was the Mustang Ranch up in Nevada. This same cousins also took me to places in HK land Macau like China City were there were lots of Russians working?

Living here for 20 now rarely travel like the guys here all I get is Thai, everyday it is the same favor I guess once in a while a change up is good, the last white piece of meat I had was in the early 2000 in Bangkok, on Soi 4, in a alley just pass Nana Plaza a low budget hotel two day stay, the same floor there were a few Russians working out of the place, if memory served me it was like 2000 for a quicky. A change is good at times. Like Ice Cream Baskin Robbins 31 favors! LOL.

[QUOTE=Sylvestor2001;3017934]I am planning a trip soon, I saw less reports regarding where to find russians / european in pattaya.
[/QUOTE]Have you considered going to the FKK Clubs in Germany for your Caucasian fix? A FAR BETTER option than Pattaya.

I haven't seen a hot Russian working girl in Pattaya since Rasputin shut down around 2017. At that time they were around 5000-9000+ baht for 90 minutes. Would hate to think about how much it would cost now. Even then only a couple of the girls were pretty.

As for those Walking Street Russian clubs consensus is that even if the girl were willing to go home with you and baht is no object you will be left unsatisfied and MUCH poorer.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3018056]Yep, I totally agree. I never understood why guys come to Thailand and then start looking for other nationalities, Russian girls, middle eastern girls, or African girls. In my experience the local fruit is always sweeter.[/QUOTE]It is called killing multiple birds with one stone. For instance a trip to Dubai would net you zero UAE chicks. However, you could find chicks from countless other countries.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3018236]It is called killing multiple birds with one stone. For instance a trip to Dubai would net you zero UAE chicks. However, you could find chicks from countless other countries.[/QUOTE]Yes, but what you are highlighting is the difference between primary P4P destinations like Thailand, Jakarta, the PI, and Brazil where most if not all the talent is domestic and secondary P4P destinations like Singapore, Macau, and Dubai where all of the talent is imported.

Pre-Covid I used to visit Macau and Singapore all the time and I enjoyed the variety. Like me, you have probably experienced Geylang at its height and had the rush of being surrounded on an otherwise quiet, residential street by 30 or 40 Chinese girls in front of you, 30 Indonesian girls to your right, 30 Thai girls to your left, and 30 or 40 Vietnamese girls behind you. It's an amazing situation or more accurately was.

But back to Thailand and other primary destinations: imported girls are available, but generally it's best to stick with the natives. Jakarta is just about the only primary place where I found in a couple of the top end bordellos, a quality selection of both Indonesian girls and imported girls to my liking. But wow what a difference there was in bed between the local girls and the Vietnamese and Chinese girls! And the so-called "Russian" girls were always sub- par in looks so I never bothered with them.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3018252]Yes, but what you are highlighting is the difference between primary P4P destinations like Thailand, Jakarta, the PI, and Brazil where most if not all the talent is domestic and secondary P4P destinations like Singapore, Macau, and Dubai where all of the talent is imported.[/QUOTE]But people who do not travel much and are not as experienced do not know these things. And like LBM said, there used to be a ton of Eastern European hookers near Nana in Bangkok. There also used to be Colombians at Mixx Disco in Pattaya. If you don't ask you may never know.

It's been about 20 years since I've been to Pattaya. My last 2-3 times, I just seemed snakebit. I couldn't find a girl who was up to my standards and the girls I was finding had issues. Over the last 20 years, I've been a regular in AC, Bangkok, Colombia and even Madagascar. I'm thinking of checking out Pattaya agin on my next trip (before heading back to the Philippines). It looks like Pattaya has had a TON of development with lots of new malls. What else has changed? I generally try to bang 3 girls per day (or 2 if I take a long time at night). Is there plenty of daytime action? Are there places like Hell Club anymore where you can take 2 girls and basically anything goes? What is the condom situation like now? 20 years ago, it was hard to find a girl who didn't insist on condoms. Nowadays, I have a very high success rate on BBFS in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;3018296]It's been about 20 years since I've been to Pattaya. My last 2-3 times, I just seemed snakebit. I couldn't find a girl who was up to my standards and the girls I was finding had issues. Over the last 20 years, I've been a regular in AC, Bangkok, Colombia and even Madagascar. I'm thinking of checking out Pattaya agin on my next trip (before heading back to the Philippines). It looks like Pattaya has had a TON of development with lots of new malls. What else has changed? I generally try to bang 3 girls per day (or 2 if I take a long time at night). Is there plenty of daytime action? Are there places like Hell Club anymore where you can take 2 girls and basically anything goes? What is the condom situation like now? 20 years ago, it was hard to find a girl who didn't insist on condoms. Nowadays, I have a very high success rate on BBFS in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Don't overcommit, book 3 days and leave yourself open to returning to Bangkok. Girls are slightly less hot and slightly cheaper. Otherwise, Pattaya is now a massive rip off. Even McDonald's - 25-40% more expensive than other cities in Thailand. Same as Bangkok, but on average Pattaya food is more than Bangkok now in Cost of Living calculators. Rip off. I'm frankly done with Pattaya, this is the last year. Only going cause I'm meeting rare to see friends. Otherwise I'd had enough, last year I made the mistake of staying 80 days - I can't stand Pattaya Thais personally. By the way, it is mostly (98%) at the Bangkok standard for daily life offerings.

[QUOTE]Is there plenty of daytime action?[/QUOTE]Depends on what you define as daytime. There are Gentleman's Clubs that open as early at 1000 but most open between 1300 - 1700. On Soi Honey you can get action in the naughty massage venues as early as 0700 (but you may not like the options if you are picky). [B]Soi 6[/B] opens at 1100. [U]Thai Friendly[/U] has girls available 024/007/365.

[QUOTE]What is the condom situation like now?[/QUOTE]You get what you are willing to ask for or [U]pay[/U] for.

[QUOTE]Otherwise, Pattaya is now a massive rip off. [/QUOTE]I disagree. [U]I think Pattaya is an exceptional value[/U] given the price of accommodations, food and entertainment. Plenty of quality offerings. Not going to tell you Thailand is inexpensive. It depends upon your perspective. I value infrastructure and quality and variety of food and entertainment offering. I have no problem enjoying my life on a daily basis. [B]I be ballin on a budget[/B]!

[QUOTE]Don't overcommit, book 3 days and leave yourself open to returning to Bangkok. Girls are slightly less hot and slightly cheaper. [/QUOTE]Was not my experience. Have been posted up in Pattaya for more than a minute but only a week in Bangkok. Hiring a prostitute in Bangkok is 2 -5 times more expensive than in Bangkok. I do not think that the girls in Bangkok more attractive.

[QUOTE]Even McDonald's - 25-40% more expensive than other cities in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Cannot comment on this as I don't goto McDonalds unless a girl requests that she wants to eat there. Who comes to Thailand to eat Western Fast Food (especially if they are just visiting)? Can I get a eye roll please. [B]ROTFLMAO[/B].

[QUOTE]Same as Bangkok, but on average Pattaya food is more than Bangkok now in Cost of Living calculators. Rip off.[/QUOTE]The food in Bangkok is 3 times more expensive on average but of an exceptional quality in comparison to Pattaya. Rip off? Hardly given the high quality of food. Bangkok is a world class city.

[QUOTE]I'm frankly done with Pattaya, this is the last year. Only going cause I'm meeting rare to see friends.[/QUOTE][B]Excellent[/B]! There are too many tourists here during high season to the point where I am considering skipping town during that period on a yearly basis.

We all know world class cities cost. Thailand is not inexpensive. [B]But what you get in Thailand is exceptional value for your money[/B]. I've said it more than once, if you don't have the flow or the stack to support the [B]International Trickin[/B] activities of your choice, stay at home and put in some work until you do.

Your time; Your money; Your dick; Your call!

[QUOTE=Parasitius;3018307]Don't overcommit, book 3 days and leave yourself open to returning to Bangkok. Girls are slightly less hot and slightly cheaper. Otherwise, Pattaya is now a massive rip off. Even McDonald's - 25-40% more expensive than other cities in Thailand. Same as Bangkok, but on average Pattaya food is more than Bangkok now in Cost of Living calculators. Rip off. I'm frankly done with Pattaya, this is the last year. Only going cause I'm meeting rare to see friends. Otherwise I'd had enough, last year I made the mistake of staying 80 days - I can't stand Pattaya Thais personally. By the way, it is mostly (98%) at the Bangkok standard for daily life offerings.[/QUOTE]This is good stuff. It makes me think of just staying in Bangkok. Where my hotel is free thanks to Hyatt points and I know the lay of the land very well. I was just thinking that the sheer number of girls in Pattaya would mean that there would have to me a good number of my preferred type: college aged and skinny.

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;3018392]This is good stuff. It makes me think of just staying in Bangkok. Where my hotel is free thanks to Hyatt points and I know the lay of the land very well. I was just thinking that the sheer number of girls in Pattaya would mean that there would have to me a good number of my preferred type: college aged and skinny.[/QUOTE]You will find a few college age ladies in Pattaya, but skinny is rare.

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;3018296]It's been about 20 years since I've been to Pattaya. My last 2-3 times, I just seemed snakebit. I couldn't find a girl who was up to my standards and the girls I was finding had issues. Over the last 20 years, I've been a regular in AC, Bangkok, Colombia and even Madagascar. I'm thinking of checking out Pattaya agin on my next trip (before heading back to the Philippines). It looks like Pattaya has had a TON of development with lots of new malls. What else has changed? I generally try to bang 3 girls per day (or 2 if I take a long time at night). Is there plenty of daytime action? Are there places like Hell Club anymore where you can take 2 girls and basically anything goes? What is the condom situation like now? 20 years ago, it was hard to find a girl who didn't insist on condoms. Nowadays, I have a very high success rate on BBFS in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]The internet and Covid has changed it all forever. Girls have found that they can make money online so why see old fat dudes. Where before the only way to meet dudes was working in a bar, stand on a street corner, or know someone. Fuck man, these days, every country has an app and bitches use filters to make their fat asses look better. Just like America, older bitches think that their shit is worth $$.

I'm seeing the path now. For the short timers, passport bros, who come and stay in touristy areas, go to bars full of farang, there is a high chance that the girls will be hardened and sometimes provide shit service. The only way to get amazing talent is to live in a country for a while, leave the big cities and go to smaller towns where the girls have not been with farang. This is the main way of finding quality. It sucks but that's how the world is going towards. The dudes who are getting amazing shit are the ones who find the girls from local venues like malls, small shops, Facebook, etc.

Amazing talent is still around but we need to search more and pay more. Guys who are stuck to prices of 2010 may have a hard time with this. So let's see how many good talent I find in India, I mean Pattaya. LOL.

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;3018392]I was just thinking that the sheer number of girls in Pattaya would mean that there would have to me a good number of my preferred type: college aged and skinny.[/QUOTE]There are plenty of these in soi 6 in Pattaya, but you'll have to play the house's rules if you like to enjoy their company: pay some drinks (many places have overpriced drinks these days) and don't set the girl's rate too low.

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;3018392]This is good stuff. It makes me think of just staying in Bangkok. Where my hotel is free thanks to Hyatt points and I know the lay of the land very well. I was just thinking that the sheer number of girls in Pattaya would mean that there would have to me a good number of my preferred type: college aged and skinny.[/QUOTE]There sre girls all over. As long as Good Face is nit a requirement. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=Andres901;3018409]The internet and Covid has changed it all forever. Girls have found that they can make money online so why see old fat dudes. Where before the only way to meet dudes was working in a bar, stand on a street corner, or know someone. Fuck man, these days, every country has an app and bitches use filters to make their fat asses look better. Just like America, older bitches think that their shit is worth $$.

I'm seeing the path now. For the short timers, passport bros, who come and stay in touristy areas, go to bars full of farang, there is a high chance that the girls will be hardened and sometimes provide shit service. The only way to get amazing talent is to live in a country for a while, leave the big cities and go to smaller towns where the girls have not been with farang. This is the main way of finding quality. It sucks but that's how the world is going towards. The dudes who are getting amazing shit are the ones who find the girls from local venues like malls, small shops, Facebook, etc.

Amazing talent is still around but we need to search more and pay more. Guys who are stuck to prices of 2010 may have a hard time with this. So let's see how many good talent I find in India, I mean Pattaya. LOL.[/QUOTE]All t h e Hot girls from the Farm Town s are in Pattaya.

Agree with many here, will just throw in my 2 cents. Agree covid and internet has changed things. I'm near mexico so that's my regular hunting ground, is hit and miss and many there selling content. I live in big city so many avalible working ladies but many addicts or crazy prices. I did Bangkok pattaya visit in April. I found Bangkok more expensive for everything and ladies no better than pattaya. Looking for youngest and hottest probably soi 6. Some cuties at go, gos off walking street but crazy prices and that street way over rated. Bang for the buck, look at the other areas and thaifriendly worked for me. Do your homework, enjoy the experience.

We're hearing a wide variety of takes on Pattaya! I hope the gentleman who started with the question updates us on what advice turned out to be right for him after.

[QUOTE=Parasitius;3018492]We're hearing a wide variety of takes on Pattaya! I hope the gentleman who started with the question updates us on what advice turned out to be right for him after.[/QUOTE]If he decides not to go then how will he know?

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3018430]There are plenty of these in soi 6 in Pattaya, but you'll have to play the house's rules if you like to enjoy their company: pay some drinks (many places have overpriced drinks these days) and don't set the girl's rate too low.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your report. Some of the girls in the pics posted look good, others not so much or nothing special. So, what does it cost to bag one of the cute ones: required lady drinks, room, and the girl's fee? And I am assuming we are talking ST and upstairs. And what about the bedroom attitude of these girls?

Soi 6 used to be all about cheap ST fun with friendly Isan girls. Is this still true or have savvy punters gone elsewhere to satisfy this itch?

Guys saying they couldn't find a hot chick or rather a chick they'ed want to fuck is crazy there are plenty. I think those saying it are the type of dudes that need the chick to fake excitement at there presence like what happens on soi 6 from time time. They'll say how picky thy are but then say I found a hot chick at windmill or club fate where all the ladies are a mix of ugly or old. There budget could also be a factor if you only want to spend a 1000 baht it may take awhile to find a hot chick in that price range.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3018493]If he decides not to go then how will he know?[/QUOTE]And that is the big question Mr. E, everyone as I've noted for years " pay their dues " People want the answers instead of finding out themselves it like looks right! Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder yet we continue to debate it here like price! What one might like might now be what another likes? I've like many here sat with others they point to a girl who they like or pick, and I'm thinking she is pretty but I wouldn't pick her then the criticism or remarks of good looking guys being with average looking girls to them!

If you really want to know take the time to find out, be adventurous! Shit happens and shit doesn't happen?

[QUOTE=TravelingMan3;3018662]Guys saying they couldn't find a hot chick or rather a chick they'ed want to fuck is crazy there are plenty. I think those saying it are the type of dudes that need the chick to fake excitement at there presence like what happens on soi 6 from time time. They'll say how picky thy are but then say I found a hot chick at windmill or club fate where all the ladies are a mix of ugly or old. There budget could also be a factor if you only want to spend a 1000 baht it may take awhile to find a hot chick in that price range.[/QUOTE]As a point of information, I once barfined a lady at Windmill who was just about a "10". I was with an older Bargirl who really wanted me to barfine the 10, which I did. They then proceeded to have really hot sex in my hotel room.

Within a couple of days, the hot girl shoved off for Taiwan, and spent the next ten years working the usual places, ending up in England.

My point is you never know what you will see in Windmill.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3018635]Thanks for your report. Some of the girls in the pics posted look good, others not so much or nothing special. So, what does it cost to bag one of the cute ones: required lady drinks, room, and the girl's fee? And I am assuming we are talking ST and upstairs. And what about the bedroom attitude of these girls?

Soi 6 used to be all about cheap ST fun with friendly Isan girls. Is this still true or have savvy punters gone elsewhere to satisfy this itch?[/QUOTE]Hi Axel,

The pics were added to show there are plenty of the OP's type of girls working all over the soi (young and skinny), it was not supposed to be a beauty contest.

Cost to bag one of the cute ones: more or less 3 K on average, including her fee (if she asks a 2 K standard fee), barfine, your drink and 2 or 3 LDs.

Take in consideration that the 2 K fee is considered very average now and many girls will ask for more or reject the potential customer, plus some bars are adding some requirements before banging the girls it seems, like a fixed number of LDs you'll have to buy, or a limited time allowed on each LDs (the worst I've met was that girl who would allow only 15 minutes per drinks, and that be*tch was watching the time).

What to expect for the 3 K you spent on her (relatively pricey for a bang in Pattaya, but to be fair it also includes some good time with her downstairs) : Anything from a below average experience to an amazing one. It depends on you and your luck, how much she is into you, how experienced she is, how much she enjoys sex and on which bases you chose her. Nothing is guaranteed, even if you pay more.

It's not a cheap place anymore, unless you go for one of the 95% of girls that are less pretty, fat, too experienced, old, shy or whatever reasons they get few customers on average and even then you'll be on average with a 1500 or 2 K bill in the end.

The soi is slowly moving to a different beast, it's all about ladydrinks now, but there are still plenty of girls working there and willing to be bangged for ST or barfined. The best ones in my opinion are the freelancers who does not work on a contract but they are not easy to find. Many new bars are still opening now, I've seen at least 3 new bars that were not even there 2 months ago, so the ladydrinks sh*t will probably keep expanding and the cost on average might go up too.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3018635]Thanks for your report. Some of the girls in the pics posted look good, others not so much or nothing special. So, what does it cost to bag one of the cute ones: required lady drinks, room, and the girl's fee? And I am assuming we are talking ST and upstairs. And what about the bedroom attitude of these girls?

[u]Soi 6 used to be all about cheap ST fun with friendly Isan girls[/u]. Is this still true or have savvy punters gone elsewhere to satisfy this itch?[/QUOTE]Brother, you know I been posted up in dis ***** for more than a minute. There are an infinite number a ways to hire a prostitute in Pattaya. I don't think [B]Soi 6 [/B] is all that except for the Blow Job venues. I personally don't really enjoy the ambiance. [B]But let's keep it real[/B]. The only thing that is [I]cheep[/I] in Pattaya anymore is street food.

Indonesia is less expensive, Colombia is less expensive (or about equal to Pattaya) and countries on the African Continent are cheeper than Pattaya. What Pattaya offers is an abundance of prostitutes to hire at reasonable pricers as compared to more developed countries in the west and it has good infrastructure. I find it to be a safe and easy place to post up in. Plus [B]BKK[/B] is one of the most well connected airports in the entire world.

[B]This is the view of The Cmdr![/B]

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;3018718]And that is the big question Mr. E, everyone as I've noted for years " pay their dues " People want the answers instead of finding out themselves it like looks right! Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder yet we continue to debate it here like price! What one might like might now be what another likes? I've like many here sat with others they point to a girl who they like or pick, and I'm thinking she is pretty but I wouldn't pick her then the criticism or remarks of good looking guys being with average looking girls to them!

If you really want to know take the time to find out, be adventurous! Shit happens and shit doesn't happen?[/QUOTE]You are absolutely right, most pics of the girls posted here as stunners, doesn't do it for me, everybody has a different type of ideal face, body and style imprinted in their subconsciousness by some early memories or experiences, myself I think I watched too many annual Victoria's Secret Fashion Shows. Some are obsessed with a big butt, some care about big boobs and nothing else, some like them skinny, and some plump, tall or short, etc. Its a personal choice, and probably the only feature that we all agree upon is if the girl if fucking ugly, or has an arm or a leg missing.

How to score hostel chics during backpacking? Anyone has idea here.

Which hostels should I target?

[QUOTE=LeoBros;3018840]How to score hostel chics during backpacking? Anyone has idea here.

Which hostels should I target?[/QUOTE]Probably if you're young, handsome, and have patience for a few days to listen to them talking nonsense while going to yoga together, and get stoned afterwards. But most likely you will just waste your time.

Running away as far as possible from fucked up in the head western females and easy access to exotic pussy is the main reason everybody comes to SEA, why come all the way here to experience home cooking?

[QUOTE=LeoBros;3018840]How to score hostel chics during backpacking? Anyone has idea here.

Which hostels should I target?[/QUOTE]Idea? Yeah, same as you do in any other place: talk to them. No clue how to do that? Then you better be looking like Henry Cavill's unknown twin brother, because you're not gonna be scoring anything but your right hand.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3018781]You are absolutely right, most pics of the girls posted here as stunners, doesn't do it for me, everybody has a different type of ideal face, body and style imprinted in their subconsciousness by some early memories or experiences, myself I think I watched too many annual Victoria's Secret Fashion Shows. Some are obsessed with a big butt, some care about big boobs and nothing else, some like them skinny, and some plump, tall or short, etc. Its a personal choice, and probably the only feature that we all agree upon is if the girl if fucking ugly, or has an arm or a leg missing.[/QUOTE]Let me just add? Now if they are missing a arm or leg that is obvious, but for a while now maybe it is old age arriving! Remember in H. S. At least for me, we use to say lady in 30 someone mother we would say or think she OLD!

Now at less for me, on a regular basis I would see a line up, at a GoGo, GC etc. You can present a suppose 10 plus aside from the looks, I'm thinking she a good fuck, today I'm more attracted to one very little makeup, natural, I would say ugly, but average and that is up for debate. One of my standards go to a top GoGo, she bares all inspite of not being a top looker, to me that takes balls, a girl that is doing what she needs to do to get the top salary to buy baby food. She isn't getting picked she knows it not like the others but she is there that shows me something that something is if you do get pick and someone pays attention that attention is appreciated. It might should funny but there have been many times I've pick one based on that standard and got my world rocked!

Lower standard, I've pick some great legs nice body but face so so and hit jackpot. Now I haven't had the balls to do a disable or midget but really not my think just like LB or Trans when in doubt pass!

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3018884]Probably if you're young, handsome, and have patience for a few days to listen to them talking nonsense while going to yoga together, and get stoned afterwards. But most likely you will just waste your time.

Running away as far as possible from fucked up in the head western females and easy access to exotic pussy is the main reason everybody comes to SEA, why come all the way here to experience home cooking?[/QUOTE]Hi, this is absolutely the best response I have heard. Why in the world would you fly so far and then waste so much time and effort to meet a messed up Western lady who is trying to find herself? Especially when you are already in the best region to meet large volumes of exotic.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;3018903]Let me just add? Now if they are missing a arm or leg that is obvious, but for a while now maybe it is old age arriving! Remember in H. S. At least for me, we use to say lady in 30 someone mother we would say or think she OLD!

Now at less for me, on a regular basis I would see a line up, at a GoGo, GC etc. You can present a suppose 10 plus aside from the looks, I'm thinking she a good fuck, today I'm more attracted to one very little makeup, natural, I would say ugly, but average and that is up for debate. One of my standards go to a top GoGo, she bares all inspite of not being a top looker, to me that takes balls, a girl that is doing what she needs to do to get the top salary to buy baby food. She isn't getting picked she knows it not like the others but she is there that shows me something that something is if you do get pick and someone pays attention that attention is appreciated. It might should funny but there have been many times I've pick one based on that standard and got my world rocked!

Lower standard, I've pick some great legs nice body but face so so and hit jackpot. Now I haven't had the balls to do a disable or midget but really not my think just like LB or Trans when in doubt pass![/QUOTE]See? That's another difference, makeup or no makeup, and a deeper way of thinking about the future performance, and the reason she's there. Myself also put the body first, then the face, because we are all unique in looks, and I find hidden beauty everywhere. A month ago I banged an average looking push cart veggies vendor with an incredible body, and after showering and letting her hair down, I was in for a surprise: dark lips, dark tanned skin, beautiful curly hair, her face looked totally different than on the street with the hair tided up behind the head, and cheap red lipstick, very beautiful. As men we look the same all the time, but makeup and hair can transform a woman unrecognizably, in this case whatever she thought was pretty, was doing the opposite, makeup wise.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3018934]As men we look the same all the time, but makeup and hair can transform a woman unrecognizably, in this case whatever she thought was pretty, was doing the opposite, makeup wise.[/QUOTE]Yeah well nakeup and hair can also transform a dude unrecognizably. I do not think as many guys would go for ladyboys if they were not wearing the makeup and hair. You ever seen those cats walking on Soi Buakhao in the morning looking like a regular dude with implants?

As for chicks, I rarely talk to a chick wearing makeup. I prefer to see what I am getting without all the warpaint. So to me it almost always does the opposite of what they think is pretty. If a chick comes to my room with makeup on, the first thing I do is send her to the bathroom to take it off.

[QUOTE=LeoBros;3018840]How to score hostel chics during backpacking? Anyone has idea here.

Which hostels should I target?[/QUOTE]Hang out at a Hostel, talk to them, smoke some weed, be cool, flash the cash.

I get them at a hostel in Siem Reap, I'm 70 but I have weed, money, air conditioning and a good game.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3018988]Hang out at a Hostel, talk to them, smoke some weed, be cool, flash the cash.

I get them at a hostel in Siem Reap, I'm 70 but I have weed, money, air conditioning and a good game.[/QUOTE]You da man. It would take me a few days before I enter her panties. During that time I'll have to spend time with her and listen to her shit. During that time I could be banging some Thai beauties instead.