the problem with this analysis is
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paying chicas- again read the forum because you need to find what the average going rate is for chicas. once you know the going rates ignore the cheapskates. so what if joe found a $300rd chica. just be you. you may get some for free. i did. i'm for over paying a chica as much as i am for over paying for a car. i wouldn't. however, i know a ferrari when i see one and that is not often. after having had countless chicas in the dr, every now and then i feel entitled to have a top shelf chica. that's when i'll pay more than the going rate and that is not very often. mainly because i can't find a chica that i think is worth it. it takes more than great looks for me to think a chica is worth more than the going rate. it's vibe and her attitude as well.
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the problem with this analysis is that the ferrari, especially if you're getting the right vibe/attitude, shouldn't be overpriced. the vibe/attitude basically means she likes you/feels comfortable with you and if it's that the case, she'll be very happy with the "going rate". otherwise, you're just getting played. if she's several standard deviations hotter than the average girl, then i suppose i could understand if she'll demand more money - though personally i would remain extremely skeptical. generally speaking in terms of sexual satisfaction/performance, money spent is inversely proportional to the former.
as to everything else in your piece, fair points but i would have to add that the biggest mistake people make is price everything in american $/purchasing power which is outright assinine and you should be leery of tourist traps and people who cater to tourists who price everything in $/american pricing power. it all adds up to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url].
btw, in my experience the girls tend to laugh at wildly overspending people and have little to no respect for them. just learn spanish well enough to talk to them/befriend them, and you'll learn the same.
Home Inspector--Sosua/Cabarete area?
Is there such a person or persons? Any names or recommendations?
My regular chica plays with Chily--She breaks date to fuk other man for more money!
Chily's revenge = I TLN with 2 of her best friends last night. Intentionally I pay them more money that the other chica. And will TLN them again tonight. Never again with the original chica! Stay tuned for the ''fall out''!
Sosua Report and thoughts on chica negotiating
I was in sosua in the middle of February arriving on a Caribe tours bus from SD. My first learning experience was that the Caribe bus drops you off at the side of the road next to a wall on the main highway. As soon as I got my bag out of the bus a motoconcho was there to help me with it. I'd really intended to take a taxi but I was boxed in there and couldn't see any taxis (or anything else) so I said OK. He balances my 45lbs duffle bag in front of himself and off we go into rush hour traffic on the main highway. After a pleasant quiet 4 hour bus ride that last 5 minutes of terror really lets you know you've arrived. As it turns out the Carribe tours station is accross the street and you can get a taxi there (though I'd pay the 20 peso moto fare just for the guy to transport my bag accross the street in rush hour).
I checked in at the Europa and got the 5 minute course on reprogramming the room safe while I was still praising all the gods for letting me survive the motoconcho ride. It seemed like a sort of Fear Factor IQ test. I barely passed, got to the room, reprogrammed the safe, stowed my gear and chilled.
I had made it to the the center of what had been called "the holy city".
It was near sunset and I took a walk down pedro clisante to the beach. I was fresh meat in this town and the couple of town crack ho's, as well as all the street venders had to take a shot. Much like Boca chica there seem to be people who specialize in fresh foreigners of a certain language. Neither BC or Sosua are dominated by Americans and it takes folks a while to figure out what you are. For those interested in very low end chicas, I had a couple follow me for a block or two rapidly bidding themselves down to 300 pesos. One of them seemed to recover and think maybe she was scaring me off with too low a price and she began to insist that usually she would charge more and she meant that this was just for a BJ.
I've been back for a couple weeks and reread the board and gave some thouight to negotiating in the DR. This really is a more libertarian sort of culture than the US. Negotiation is a much bigger part of life. Everybody has some kind of hustle going all around U. I think that's one reason why so many people think more about going into business here- even when they gave it little thought back home. Another feature is failure. The first world covers up failure better. It seems OK to fail here. Try again. No Biggie. This leads me to thoughts about negotiating for chicas. I read about it but it seemed so unnatural. But then so does negotiating with a taxi or a manicurist. I was puzzled by what the "real" price of chicas was. Getting it through my head that the price of anything here is fluid has taken me some time and effort. Here goes a take a the price of chicas.
The price any chica is willing to take. The market clearing price for her at time t, depends on her mood, her needs and her expectations for earnings otherwise. Most chicas will take a lot less early in the day or late. Early they can be out again and have a shot at making more. Late they are risking making nothing if they reject the offer. This is definitely a buyers market. Most chicas in Sosua will not get even one man on any given day. This is not like some street walker in the Bronx who turns a dozen tricks a day. On the other hand most have had the addictive experience of asking a guy for 3000 pesos and having him just say. OK. It's a memory I'm sure like a slot machine flashing and ringing and all that dinero clanging down in the tray.
Early in the evening I was walking down Pedro see. And got approached by a little fire plug of a chica who was in the company of a tall slender chica I thought was amazing. By this time I'd overcome my sense of politeness enough to straight out say sorry I have no interest in you but your amiga is beautiful. Cool, the fireplug starts negotiating for her friend (who helps a bit too). She wants 3000 pesos. This seems very high to me. It's very early in the evening. Would I buy them a drink? Sure. 2500 pesos. I really would just like to look around and not jump into this. 2000 pesos. Where is your hotel? Europa. A bit of a problema. She hasn't got her cedula. She left it at home in Santo Domingo. Lo Siento. No cedula. No hotel. Wait! She can go with you to the Calypso. Only 300 pesos. Sorry. I was at this point totally backing out because I don't know where Calypso is.even though I've read about it on the board before, and I'm picturing another motoconcho thrill ride down the main highway but his time in the dark, plus I have no idea if this chica is actually over 18. She claims to be 19. I know plenty of 14 year olds who look 19. So I'm shaking my head. 1500 pesos. Total. 1200 for us, 300 for the hotel. Sorry, I can't be sure she's 18. 1300. 1000 pesos for us. I smile. Thank them for their time, and walk out. OK. 1000 pesos total.
I managed to bargain them down from 3000 to 1000 (including hotel) without actually bargaining. Just being my genuine noncommital bashful hesitant self. That plus my firm decision that I wouldn't take a chica who had no ID. In retrospect I realize that this sort of bargaining is brute force. Just refusing the sale but letting the selling keep making offers. I remember it occurring several times in different contexts.
The next day I saw them again, waved, smiled, they smiled back.
Negotiations begin with the question of who will make an offer first. Later I was trying to get a chica I actually wanted (this one also talking mostly through an amiga). I say what do you want. She says how much are you offering. I say Ummmm. 2000 pesos for ST. My warped brain thinking something like. Well that's actually better than they expect to get so it should do it. It actually does kind of stun them a bit. They hesitate and talk. Then one comes back with no, thats not good enough. I say how much? They say. Hesitantly, ahhh 2500? I say OK, 2500.
Reviewing the mental game tape I of course realize what went on. They open with asking me to make the initial bid. It should have been something like 500, but with a smile and an agreement that of course they are worth more but I'm not a rich man. Instead I say 2000. They think, holy shit! The crazy gringo is actually offering us twice what we really hope to get on his first bid! They go into a huddle. If the gringo is this batshit crazy he may do anything but we can't lose him. Still if that's his first bid we've just got to try for more but hey just a little more because we can't let him get away.
As it turned out that chica and another chica that I over-paid both were very worthwhile experiences. The good experience however was despite overpaying rather than because of it. My sense is that the botched negotiation actually started the connection with the chica off on the wrong foot. The fact that I'm a nice guy, I work hard at the language, I try to please the chica in bed, I'm respectful etc eventually turns the chica around but she starts off thinking. What a fool this guy is. I've come to think that if you like a chica you bargain hard- but politely and pleasantly. You show her you are no fool and you are in control. Later if appropriate you show her generosity by your own choice and based on her deserving it.
She says how much are you offering? You give a number. If it's early or late rather than prime time, I think 500 or 600 is good to start. Why? It's half what a decent price should be and thats what's expected. You're communicating that you're willing to spend 1000 to 1200. I had to overcome my initial embarassment at an offer so low. Because it may provoke a show of rejection. It should. Derisive laughter. A toss of the pretty mane of hair. No that's not enough. Well how much would you find sufficient? She's still talking, the negotiation is on. Now she's got to name a number. She doesn't want to go too high since you low balled the opening bid it would just signal that you really are very far apart. 2500? That puts the mid point. You double, she halves- a bit over un mil where you expected.
The thing I had to get past is that at least in Sosua or the main DR mongering areas this is an everyday market transaction. It's not illegal or embarassing or hidden in itself. Participants do want to hide the details of their transactions for the same reason that bids are typically very privelidged information in the US. It's not in the least bit secret that you are taking or giving bids though the details of the bids themselves are quite secret. Similarly chicas are entirely open about the fact of the negotiation. Though they often don't want others to hear the details.
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