South China - Guangzhou

[quote=criss thor]ok, friends! i spent 2 last nights reading that thread from beginning to that page. i'm much smarter now, please forgive me my stupid question below. now i know more, and if i'd like to get more informations i will send it by pm.

anyway, i read a lot about guests who only asks for some addeses and never after post any report. i'm not completelly newbie in guangzhou thread, i was there few times in great company of some fellows. but my experiences was only girls from tang (usually very good) and one from mamasan near the hotel (absolutelly disaster) and one bbs, which also was bad experience.

i got 2 numbers to girls i met in tang, one is irma (very funny and enthusiastic) and second one is julie (girl from sichuan). i remember both them very good and friendly even if my mandarin is very, very poor (i still work on it). if someone is interested numbers are avalaible by pm. my english is also not perfect, but soon i will try to give you some reports about them, not very old, because it was this year, end of march.

generally, as you can see, my experiences aren't very rich, so i'm interested about some new, specially ktv's and saunas (we always took good but just normal massages without any extras). maybe problem was that our communication skills was not enough to ask.

another information is that we always choose rather cheaper hotels (most 3*) which made us able to spend more money for mongering and always never any problems with girls in the hotel 24h.

i forgot, the prices of these girls was just standard: about 400 rmb for 2-3 hours. we mostly live in hotels near east railway station and citic plaza.

my last observation: i studied different threads here and unfortunatelly discovered that guangzhou is not the best location for mongering, right?

please forgive me once more my "freshness", i promise that i will try to be here regularly and i'll post every report i had.[/quote]

criss thor,

your discovery is correct. guangzhou is not the best mongering location by far. if you have the time, i suggest you get on the train to cp. it is only a 45 minute ride and offers everything you can imagine with cheaper prices and more of it.

guangzhou:

ktv is expensive and hit or miss so i rarely do this in gz. many girls will not go out for whatever reason. check first before they sit for long. st starts at 1k and up compared with 500 rmb st, 800 rmb lt in cp.

bbs is usually "slam, bam, thank you ma'am" service. prices are from 130-150 rmb for fs on premises. there are less fs bbs in town now and they are rep001tered all over the place. i was just up the hill (past paddy fields) behind the garden hotel last week and all the hj places are closed too.

sw are near the major hotels e.g. the garden hotel but le troll the area frequently to run them off. a few minutes later, they are back. prices start at 200 rmb for st depending on the season and your negotiation skills. many will start negotiations at 800 rmb.


saunas range from completely legit to fs and everything in between. for example, some girls will give you a bbbj even though it is supposed to be hj finish only. the sauna in the metro building on tianhe bei lu is an example. generally, the places with the better hardware are more legit and those a little rundown offer more services. the sauna at the victory hotel (posted often) is generally a good option for hassle free fs at a fixed price. there are more fs saunas on the outskirts of town e.g panyu.

i don't often go into the clubs like tang so i have little experience. 400-500 rmb st seems to be the going rate for the chinese girls. the imported girls when available ask more.

just my pov.

oah

[quote=mrolson]hey,

i would like to ask something. i have been living in guangzhou for a few years now. i have been doing some mongering the last year or so and had sex with maybe 20+ working girls. i speak the language very well and i am able to haggle for cheap prices (hardly ever pay more than 150rmb for sex).

back to my question. where do you guys find girls that shave? all the girls i've been with, not one of them was shaved, but when i look in the photo thread, it seems to be allot of shaved girls.

where do you find them? it doesn't seem to be any of them in the massage parlors and "hair saloons", which are the places i visit most frequently.

thanks![/quote]
dear master olson:

if i remember correctly, you're the one who in the past got a bit uppity when i gave you an unsolicited - and i now know to be inappropriate/m.y.o.b. - suggestion that you should not be partaking of the mongering scene in view of your age and stage in life. that you should instead just concentrate on continuing to doing your various freebie student peers.

well, here i go again!!

if you're interested in shaved pussies.... in southern china... you really should concentrate on pursuing your freebie student/peers as i would suggest that a great majority of w.g.'s here will definitely not shave their pussy hair off; at least not those that i - and i would think, you - would even consider doing.

you have to understand that the wg's knows that practically all their clients would run if they saw that they had a shaved pussy. most chinese/asian mongers - whether local or from other countries think that a shaved pussy indicates that the gal is so undesireable that she needs to resort to servicing furreners to get any business at all - that she's so butt ugly that she cain't get chinese punters. also, many chinese consider doing white tigers - whether shaved or natural - to be highly unlucky - and that they will have 7 years of really horrible luck if they ever even look at one!!

so this leaves you with not much choice as far as shaved pussy wg's is concerned. you probably will have a better luck in shanghai - where there is a much greater influx of foreigners and where there are probably more of these wg's who would cater to these foreigners- with shaved pussy; but do expect to pay shanghai prices.... for foreigners!!

the other choice is, like i originally suggested - go after a regular run-of-the-mill gal, woo her and convince her to shave. your own private white tiger.

and oh, perhaps ask bnlee, our resident "shaving pervert" on isg for some other pointers.

seaj

ps. one more choice - ask each and every momma you're doing biz with to recommend a natural "white tiger" - these are few and far in between... but they do exist and when you get one - you really are going to be in paradise!!

pps. you sure you're looking at the china photo gallery? how come i don't see that many shaved pussy on there??

I arrived last night on an Air Asia flight and they were no longer boarding the plan to check temperatures before allowing the passengers to deplane. That said, they were still checking health declaration forms very carefully.

OAH

Thanks a lot for OAH for his advices and details. My problem is, that I didn't discovered this great forum earlier before my journeys to Guangzhou in the past. What a pity! That's why me and my friends should discovered all by ourselves. First visit was completelly disaster in mongering, because we didn't know nothing about it in that place. Second was much better, but if I can to say something to newbies which goeas only for canton fair it's that is not best moment for that activities because of prices and hotel problems. Better choice is to come few days before, and go to tang to scout. Tang without canton fair is not the same club as tang without CF! We came earlier and tang was our first addres, we spent fantastic night with hotel continuation (of course we paid 2x normal rate due to our ignorance), but when we came next evening when CF started we were in shock! Previous night we were almost "kings in club" where it was only a little number of people and foreigners, and next day, we couldn't even go inside because of the number of guests.

Anyway, we always go there for business, but we decided to visit Guangzhou for little fairs, and the problems ended.

For me personally, the greatest news is that CP is so close to Guangzhou, and we can mix our goals (mongering and business).

But even if Guangzhou isn't a greatest place for mongering in China, I don't know other, so anyway I miss it very much, here in Europe.

[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]The other choice is, like I originally suggested - go after a regular run-of-the-mill gal, woo her and convince her to shave. Your own private White Tiger.

And oh, perhaps ask Bnlee, our resident "shaving pervert" on ISG for some other pointers.

SEAJ[/QUOTE]SEAJ,

Just a correction. Due to your insistence. I have been on a shaving moratorium. I'm trying to kick the habit.

This crackdown is getting ridiculous. I was cruising for some action yesterday afternoon and could not find even one BBS or HJ place still open.

If any fellow mongers have a secrete place they want to share, please PM me with the details.

Thanks.

OAH

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]This crackdown is getting ridiculous. I was cruising for some action yesterday afternoon and could not find even one BBS or HJ place still open.

If any fellow mongers have a secrete place they want to share, please PM me with the details.

Thanks.

OAH[/QUOTE]
Who here want to bet a round of beers that things are so bad for OAH.... and that OAH is gonna be so desperate... that he's gonna make his way down to CP WITHIN the next 72 hours??

Ain't no other way OAH!!

SEAJ

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]This crackdown is getting ridiculous. I was cruising for some action yesterday afternoon and could not find even one BBS or HJ place still open.

If any fellow mongers have a secrete place they want to share, please PM me with the details.

Thanks.

OAH[/QUOTE]Oah,

You are the king of Panyu even you have problem finding actons, thing is that bad there just get on the train to shenzhen or CP, always action there all you can handle.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]Oah,

You are the king of Panyu even you have problem finding actons, thing is that bad there just get on the train to shenzhen or CP, always action there all you can handle.

Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]

FE48,

I still have a few WG phone numbers I can rely on but I like variety and the joy of selection. A few mamas are still in business but this is a hassle. You need to rent a room and wait. They send 1-2 at a time and the wait in between drives me crazy. The SWs still come out after midnight but there are less and less of them lately and I am usually asleep by that time.

I am on my way to CP.

OAH

I am new to this board and I am eternally grateful for all the info people have contributed. I will write my report when I get to Guangzhou again in Sept.

In the meantime, I wonder if anyone had experience with both CP and Zuhai?
In my previous trips to GZ, I usually take a bus down to ZH after work and return the next morning. The bus ride to ZH is much longer then the train ride to CP, but I figure the quality down at ZH ktv would be far better then those in CP. Maybe I am totally wrong on this and I should have just head straight to CP, but I usually stay at 5star hotels (company will pay) and I can find only one such in CP and I also keep reading about safety issues, while ZH is totally safe, to me at least.

I would say the ktv girls I usually find in ZH are 8,9 and the 2/8/10 for most ktv is also quite reasonable.

[QUOTE=Fillmore St]I am new to this board and I am eternally grateful for all the info people have contributed. I will write my report when I get to Guangzhou again in Sept.

In the meantime, I wonder if anyone had experience with both CP and Zuhai?
In my previous trips to GZ, I usually take a bus down to ZH after work and return the next morning. The bus ride to ZH is much longer then the train ride to CP, but I figure the quality down at ZH ktv would be far better then those in CP. Maybe I am totally wrong on this and I should have just head straight to CP, but I usually stay at 5star hotels (company will pay) and I can find only one such in CP and I also keep reading about safety issues, while ZH is totally safe, to me at least.

I would say the ktv girls I usually find in ZH are 8,9 and the 2/8/10 for most ktv is also quite reasonable.[/QUOTE]

Sorry - but YUP, you're totally wrong

Zuhai is for Saunas - Best price for reasonable quality. But only for Saunas!!

KTV's and BBS is definitely CP.
KTV - for very acceptable quality is regualrly 2-5-8 and thye've got such a variety - from the 1,200 gals flower street Mayflower/JiaYi to the more intimate venues with very high Quality and higher priced gals.

Hotels in CP ARE very cheap, even for the 4-5 star Hui Hua and the Miraton - but real value for the money. If you really insist on 5 star, then you can stay 15 minutes out at the Crown Prince or the Good view Garden - with their very high fallutin KTV and sauna.

BBS's - much better quality and variety than Zhuahi and easier to get around in.

Safety - OK, you're probably right on this - but not by much as Zhuahi DOES have its very bad underbelly also, especially from the guys who needs to lay low from Macau. Anywhere in China, one does need to keep his wits about.

I'd suggest that you should enlist the help of some of the CP vweterans to take you around to show you the ropes and the real action in CP

SEAJ

[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]Sorry - but YUP, you're totally wrong

Zuhai is for Saunas - Best price for reasonable quality. But only for Saunas!!

KTV's and BBS is definitely CP.
KTV - for very acceptable quality is regualrly 2-5-8 and thye've got such a variety - from the 1,200 gals flower street Mayflower/JiaYi to the more intimate venues with very high Quality and higher priced gals.

Hotels in CP ARE very cheap, even for the 4-5 star Hui Hua and the Miraton - but real value for the money. If you really insist on 5 star, then you can stay 15 minutes out at the Crown Prince or the Good view Garden - with their very high fallutin KTV and sauna.

BBS's - much better quality and variety than Zhuahi and easier to get around in.

Safety - OK, you're probably right on this - but not by much as Zhuahi DOES have its very bad underbelly also, especially from the guys who needs to lay low from Macau. Anywhere in China, one does need to keep his wits about.

I'd suggest that you should enlist the help of some of the CP vweterans to take you around to show you the ropes and the real action in CP

SEAJ[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply!

I was under the impression that CP mostly have factories girls but ZH has many Macau girls taking breaks in ZH. I have looked up photos of CP girls on Hongkong and Taiwan websites and they are usually not to the quality I found in ZH KTV.

I only go KTV, by the way, so I have no idea about BBS/Sauna, as I enjoy the singing part very much.

About hotels, I can see dozens of 4-5 star hotels on elong, ctrip etc in ZH, but CP hotels are not listed on such mainstream travel sites. So do I just book them from hotel websites? I would much prefer have my room booked before heading down there.

Thanks again for the helpful reply and I will definitely go check out CP when I come to China again in Sept.

I did a drive by on the "River Road" around 10pm and found a gem of a SW for an excellent BBBJCIMWS. She was only 23 yo which is young for the "River Road". I took her digits for future use.

OAH

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]I did a drive by on the "River Road" around 10pm and found a gem of a SW for an excellent BBBJCIMWS. She was only 23 yo which is young for the "River Road". I took her digits for future use.

OAH[/QUOTE]Good for you!

Is this on the north side of the rider, near the square (HaiZhu Square)? I found GZ SW is totally a hit or miss, and indeed on rare occations someone can get lucky.

[QUOTE=Fillmore St]Good for you!

Is this on the north side of the rider, near the square (HaiZhu Square)? I found GZ SW is totally a hit or miss, and indeed on rare occations someone can get lucky.[/QUOTE]No, this is an area in Panyu where the low-end SWs hang out. They are normally "over the hill" and unable to work in the better venues. Most are in the 3-4 range and some are downright scary to look at. Just one step above the hutong girls for 30 RMB. FS can be had as low as 60RMB without BJ. They normally want 80-100 RMB for BBBJCIM. I have not seen anything decent in the area for some time, but I got lucky the other night. This area is not for the faint hearted. These girls have no scruples. I've caught them with their hands in my pockets whilst giving me head before. The one time I elected for FS, I was taken to a boarding house with rooms lined up and one shared bath. When the girl insisted I leave my clothes in the room during the shower, I bolted. It was an obvious set-up. You really need a car to monger here but I suppose you could hop in a taxi and cruise through, as well.

OAH