Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2590288]I agree with the above statement completely. Everyone should have a choice. However, we are forced by restriction, and now employers are starting to mandate a sub-optimal vaccine. The vaccine suck. Team vax is on the winning side with the power to force all of this. When will this end? Do you see a way out with the current strategy?

When they label me as an anti-vax, Who is in hysteria here? A logical, rational way to look at it is to use some kind of risk / benefit. Right now it look like the risk / benefit is only favorable to old people with co-morbidity.

It was created in a lab, which make eradication possible as there was no known host reservoir other than human. The more we wait, the more impossible it will be. Last I hear, it cross into wild deer population, that will make eradication harder. I think we can eradication it if we use all available tool. If not, count me out.[/QUOTE]Spock once said: "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." This is why smoking has been banned in public places in many advanced countries. In other words, you are free to kill yourself but your freedom ends where another person's begins. Sorry mate!

[QUOTE=Downandup;2590423]I normally ignore covidiots but this is a stupid misrepresentation of the numbers. 402 vaccinated people have died but that's out of almost 39 million. 253 unvaccinated people have died out of 5 million. So you are 5 times more likely to die if you have not been vaccinated. Vaccines have been proven time and again to be effective against covid but as they are not perfect some will spread fear and doubt by broadcasting the failures.[/QUOTE]Are you really complaining about fake data when your total population count for the UK is only 44 million? Take a reality check and return!

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2590288]I agree with the above statement completely. Everyone should have a choice. However, we are forced by restriction, and now employers are starting to mandate a sub-optimal vaccine. The vaccine suck. Team vax is on the winning side with the power to force all of this. When will this end? Do you see a way out with the current strategy?

When they label me as an anti-vax, Who is in hysteria here? A logical, rational way to look at it is to use some kind of risk / benefit. Right now it look like the risk / benefit is only favorable to old people with co-morbidity.
[/QUOTE]Your anti-covid-vax compatriot, HornyHarry, provided some good statistics that refute your claim that risk / benefit only favors the old with comorbidities.

[URL]https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1009243/Technical_Briefing_20.pdf[/URL]

[B][u]In the 18-50 UK population:[/u][/B]

[U]Deaths[/U]

Unvaxxed: 48.

Vaxxed: 13.

[U]Emergency Room visits with hospitalization[/U]

Unvaxxed: 3783 (1443+2290).

Vaxxed: 377 (153 + 224).

[U]Emergency room visits without hospitalization[/U]

Unvaxxed: 13473 (5802+7671).

Vaxxed: 1558 (694 + 864).

These are total numbers which is even more damning to the clearly false risk / (no) benefit claim since 70% of the 18-50 years age group is vaccinated creating a larger pool of vaxxed people. Basically unvaxxed young people in UK make up about 30% of people in that age group but account for 4 times as many deaths, 10 times as many hospitalizations, and 8. 6 times as many ER visits. That translates to roughly 8 x deaths, 20 x hospitalizations, and 17 x ER visits for unvaxxed people between the ages of 18-50.

Pretty high benefit for the vaccine in younger people.

It seems your claim is wrong according to the metrics published by British authorities just 3 days ago.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2590288]I agree with the above statement completely. Everyone should have a choice.....[/QUOTE]When I was a child I had no choice, my parents took me to be vaccinated and I got many. Many years ago in a trip to South America I was in Venezuela and wanted to go to Brazil, bought a ticket and was told in the airport I needed the yellow fever vaccine. My choice was to get the vaccine and bang hot, beautiful Brazilian women or don't take the vaccine and stay horny, I took the vaccine. That's how I exercise my choice.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2590137]I wish you have a nice trip and I hope all goes well, but I've been warning about this for many months.

Yes, FKK clubs 'opened' in theory (with a bad line up, many tripods, and massive upselling) but soon the government will shut it all down again.

Just like in pre-school: you had you're 15 minutes of play time, now it's time to get locked up inside your houses again!

Indeed, it has nothing to do with public health or any rational way of thinking. If the 'vaccines' worked, then why the masks and the distancing required for vaxxed people? If the 'vaccines' work, then why can vaxxed people still spread the virus? If 'vaccines' worked, then why are 95% of Israeli ICU wards vaxxed people? (see my post in the "Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!" thread).

It just doesn't add up, but the goal is clear: pure unadulterated fascism and the countries with the darkest past in Europe are leading the way;.

Italy ('inventor' of fascism by Mussolini).

Germany (do I need to explain Germany's history? / sarc).

France (Napoleon and Vichy France).

Spain (Franco dictatorship).[/QUOTE]100 correct, masks and lockdowns have nothing to do with the Covid-situation.

It's all about monitoring and controlling ordinary people.
One way to go about counter-attacking is to stop paying taxes. A tax revolt would be in order.

[QUOTE=Arnold15;2590567]100 correct, masks and lockdowns have nothing to do with the Covid-situation.

It's all about monitoring and controlling ordinary people.
One way to go about counter-attacking is to stop paying taxes. A tax revolt would be in order.[/QUOTE]Yes, but that's why they will come up with CBDCs, Central Bank Digital Currencies. Then "they" will just take without asking any questions.

By the way, an interesting court case took place in Canada, where a guy appealed a see $ 1200 fine: [URL]https://rumble.com/vksea4-canada-important-sentence-dispute-covid-19-existence.html[/URL].

At 5:00 in the video: the guy requested evidence of that the SARS-Cov-2 virus has actually been isolated in a lab, and the Alberta Province lawyer replied with "the CMOH has no material evidence. " (CMOH = Chief Medical Officer of Health).

Translation: the authorities can't even prove in a laboratory that the SARS-CoV-2 virus exists! LOL!

[QUOTE=Arnold15;2590567]100 correct, masks and lockdowns have nothing to do with the Covid-situation.

It's all about monitoring and controlling ordinary people.
One way to go about counter-attacking is to stop paying taxes. A tax revolt would be in order.[/QUOTE]I always wear my aluminum foil hat so all is good. The masks keep out the 5 G from entering my mouth and irradiating my dick from the inside.

Got to clear the browser history though. Government might come after me for looking at midget-on-puppy porn.

When you believe that the people in power are idiots, the conspiracy theories are much less believable. Believers in global government control theories seem to be giving these people way too much credit. How one listens to half of the world leaders speak and come out thinking that those people have the discipline, foresight, and intellectual capacity to orchestrate such intricate plans is beyond me.

I much prefer the theory of ineptitude and inefficiency in a disjunct world being the cause of much of today's problems.

Chaos and entropy are much stronger forces than power hungry governments and evil scientists.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2590504]Are you really complaining about fake data when your total population count for the UK is only 44 million? Take a reality check and return![/QUOTE]This one doesn't understand that 44 million is for adults 18 and over who are either double vaxxed or not vaxxed at all which is the demographic of study in the published briefing. Last I check, UK had millions of under 18 minors and several million having only had one dose of the vaccine.

The anti-covid-vaccine guys have been really failing with data analysis. But bias will lead people to do that.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2590586]

When you believe that the people in power are idiots.[/QUOTE]Note that I have not written a single word about "Global government control theories". Only you have.

Yes, they are idiots.

But seen through by a few. Hopefully more people open their eyes.

All risk groups have got vaccine in Germany. No need at all to have any further restrictions.

Such STUPID restrictions were never applied during the 1958 (Asian) and 1968 (HongKong) flues.

And society recovered very fast.

But not this time.

Questioning the abuses of those in power against their own population has absolutely nothing to do with conspiracy theories.

It is rather about journalists and politicians who have no knowledge at all how pandemies have been handled in the past.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2590504]Are you really complaining about fake data when your total population count for the UK is only 44 million? Take a reality check and return![/QUOTE]Hi, this is reality calling. UK population is 69 million but that includes under 18's not only those eligible for vaccination.

[QUOTE=Arnold15;2590612]Note that I have not written a single word about "Global government control theories". Only you have.

Yes, they are idiots.

But seen through by a few. Hopefully more people open their eyes.

All risk groups have got vaccine in Germany. No need at all to have any further restrictions.

Such STUPID restrictions were never applied during the 1958 (Asian) and 1968 (HongKong) flues.

And society recovered very fast.

But not this time.

Questioning the abuses of those in power against their own population has absolutely nothing to do with conspiracy theories.

It is rather about journalists and politicians who have no knowledge at all how pandemies have been handled in the past.[/QUOTE]I guess I place the "controlling and monitoring" people on the less extreme spectrum of conspiracy theories. I have no problems with the observing by the way.

The flu's of the last generation were not anything like SARS-CoV-2. If criticizing the journalist, one should also blame them for placing COVID strictly as a respiratory disease allowing for people to make such correlations to simple colds and influenza.

COVID is an intravascular inflammatory disease that is transmitted by respiratory routes. Severe symptoms may be first observed in respiratory function but the difference is that it wrecks havoc in vascular endothelium and all downstream effects. Add the fact that it much more contagious with a more insidious latent period allowing for more propagation, and these are the reasons why COVID is a much bigger medical problem than bird flu, swine flu, etc.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2590463]Spock once said: "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." This is why smoking has been banned in public places in many advanced countries. In other words, you are free to kill yourself but your freedom ends where another person's begins. Sorry mate![/QUOTE]"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." - who decides it? We don't have referendums on every single need, and often needs are not standalone but other conflicting needs exist. In principle what Spock said makes sense but it is never cut and dried.

We don't have Greek elders at the town squares deciding things in a voice vote. Even in democracies, what is the need and who gets to articulate what is the need of the many is never very obvious. These days, things are even more screwed up with social media and polls and 55% voter participation and unruly fights about legitimacy of vote and other things. In China, CCP with a few million or a few dozen million members decides for the whole country what the needs of the whole country are, and even more so, emperor Xi decides what is good and what is not. Last year, coaching centers were good, 3 years ago games were good, now suddenly they are not good. For 40 years, one child is good, now 3 children it is.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2590536]Your anti-covid-vax compatriot, HornyHarry, provided some good statistics that refute your claim that risk / benefit only favors the old with comorbidities.

[URL]https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1009243/Technical_Briefing_20.pdf[/URL]

[B][u]In the 18-50 UK population:[/u][/B]

[U]Deaths[/U]

Unvaxxed: 48.

Vaxxed: 13.[/QUOTE]48 out of the population of how may? Let just ban car, plan, food, knives, hookers. Especially hookers. . let just ban everything.

And how many people that die are over 50? Yeah close to 10 time. Nice try.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2590383]Dude,

Unfortunately for you, you are not able to think logically. You wrote repeatedly that you are fitter than Sagan. If you would have said only that you did one climb faster than the grupetto, I would have left you alone with your delusions. Everybody knows that the grupetto goes as slow as possible. It's like saying that I can do 100 m faster than Usain Bolt if Usain Bolt decides he only wants to walk, not run. But you kept claiming that you are fitter and you would do long climbs faster than him.[/QUOTE]No, grupetto try to arrive on time, not to be put out of race. Didn't you see at Tignes? I think 9 racers were off time and race finished for them, when it was a nightmare day for racers with cold rain. After la Madeleine, Sagan was already very late so he couldn't be so slow and needed grupetto to finish on time to try to get his beloved green suit. I should have written I'm lighter than him, don't you know light is right for sport cars since Colin Chapman and Lotus, when he is too heavy to climb fast for more than Poggio. Here, in Moutiers, when I say I will climb Loze, they ask: You succeed to arrive on top? You should try. Fun real sport.

Hey guys,

Can anyone tell me if my covid vaccine passport from another European which is uploaded to my phone will suffice as proof of vaccine for entry into German FKK club??

Thanks.