FKK Palace - Frankfurt

Hi, I had a great time in Palace the last time I was there six months ago, and now that I have some free time again, I'm considering using that time to go back. I have six days and was considering flying through another German city, probably Berlin to throw colleagues off my scent. But it's quite possible that I'll just go to Frankfurt where I really want to be, and not waste any time. I have some unfinished business at Palace.

I. LOCATING CERTAIN GIRLS.

Can anyone tell me best chances on seeing these ladies. Some of which I'd been with, and others I put on my list and never got to? Are they still working, and if so, time of day and day of week? (and negative experiences if you had them.)

Aria, Brasilera. Tall blonde

Priscilla, Brasilera. Shorter mulatta, very curvy.

Olga, Galicia. Very short, very curvy, dark-haired.

Mariana, Colombia. Olga's friend, taller, curvy Latina with auburn hair.

Nika, Hamburg. Tall thin brunette, has a black-and-white tattoo up one sleeve.

Lanie, German. 30s, thin, said she works more at Artemis.

Kiara / Chiara, German. Tall blonde, thin, looks like a model.

Samantha, German. Heavily tattooed, wears glasses (read some about her here)

Christiana, Dominican Republic. Black, medium height, thin.

I've been at this long enough to realize longing is part of the game. There's always another you want to have an orgasm with, there's always ones that get away.

I spent the afternoon looking through the forums to decide if I really wanted to go, or if I would be better off not listening to my dick. It's hard not too. And there's an argument for it philosophically, too. I'm still (relatively) young and can have a good time. I happened to be watching the evening news recently, whose audience is primarily old people. The commercials were interesting to me. At that age, what do you want most? Judging from all the erectile dysfunction commercials, a good fuck.

II. OASE V. PALACE.

In reading the forums, I saw how many people like Oase and put down Palace. I guess I can see why, but I went to Oase once and didn't have sex with anyone. I might go again if I go to Frankfurt. I really like the idea of fucking outside. And I want another chance at Sunny, the Lindsay-Lohan lookalike they have there, but judging from what I've read, she might be a little harder-looking.

Palace scratches my itch though. People argue entry to Oase is cheaper. But you lose that in taxi fees traveling out there. Palace is pretty walkable. They say service is better at Oase. That might be so, but my German isn't the sharpest. Communication is important for me, it helps establish a bond and makes a woman more attractive. A lot of the girls at Palace speak English, and when they didn't I could speak their native language, and this helped even more. The girls are overjoyed to have someone to chat with in their native tongue.

Some might say the girls at Palace are sharky, but I didn't have too much of a problem the last time I went. I was approached by a somewhat infamous duo, but I wasn't into their looks, and they pegged themselves as liars right away by telling me the club was closing. I felt like I was able to judge character pretty well; I was looking for connection, didn't let my dick take over my brain. First time at Palace, this wasn't so true. I went with one girl who seemed to show some concern about me getting blue balls from watching so much; I look that as a positive sign of interaction and took her to a room, but it was pretty dull.

This time, to be honest, I did fuck some that weren't 100% GFE too, but I went in knowing what I was in store for.

Other comparisons: Oase has outdoors, but Palace facilities are much better. Access, the physical plant, and the food. These things are important to me, they may not be so for others. I can nut in volume, but I try to keep it to 2 or 3 a day, just because of diminishing returns. Decent food, good sauna, a resting nook. All these enhance the experience. Very restorative.

How does Mainhattan compare by these criteria?

III. FUCKING ETIQUETTE.

I had quite a few good fucks the last time I was at Palace. One point of etiquette that struck me though was when I was with a girl, and she was running real wet, it would get all over my hands. Oftentimes, the girls were in lingerie, or stockings at least. I could wipe on the bed or their thigh, or if I was in a position to, my thigh. But man, I felt so bad for getting it all over the place. I got it in their clothes, sometimes their hair because I wanted to hold their head or face. One time, I reached to wipe on a pillow, and the pillow had no cover. It was just this rubber thing covered with nubs. How was I supposed to wipe my hand on that? I'm aware that sex is messy, but I'm also aware that these girls are working. I hate to mess them up too badly. Mouth, tits, ass, sure. But I feel like a jerk getting excretions on their clothes and hair. Anyone run into this? Am I'm just being an idiot? =)

IV. OUTSIDE PERSPECTIVE.

Found this on the Internet. Maybe it was posted already. I found it a good read after my last post about Palace and how it boggled my mind and how I was trying to make sense of it all:

[url]http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-625497.html[/url]

Thanks!

[quote=jmioffe; 1269581]i. locating certain girls.

ii. oase v. palace.[/quote]i.

i know what you mean by unfinished business, i definitely felt the same way after my first palace trip. as for the girls you mentioned, i saw mariana and kiara last time i was there (though my information is now out of date: march 14th. 15th. 18th) , but not aria or samantha. the rest i am not familiar with. a lot of 'regular' girls were on vacation that week, so hopefully that is why samantha was not there. i too would like to meet her again.

i think the main questions to ask yourself are, do you want to? and, can you afford it? if both of these are yes, then you're good to go. however, those of us with more obsessive natures rightfully fear that if we give in to the temptation, grant it any portion of our time, money, consciousness, that it will consume the whole. we often fret we can't afford something monetarily, when really we're projecting our mental issue onto our bank account. so "i can't afford it" (when i actually can) really means "i need to stop thinking about mongering, otherwise i will no longer be able to think about anything else; even if i just grant the hobby part of my consciousness, it will take over the whole". but booking another vacation is a great way to take your mind [i]off[/i] the potential next trip ;-)

i agree with you about getting the most out of your youth while you still can. the only arguments against this point of view are that sexual obsession (i find i fantasize a lot less before trips, now that i've made a few, but after the trip, it takes a while for me to recover my concentration) prevents one from accomplishing meaningful work. this is not a problem, if your actual job (if you must have one) does not require intelligent thinking or creativity. but if work (not necessarily for money) means writing, production of some intellectual (or maybe academic) material, then a mind still in frankfurt is a dangerous thing. note of course that these issues presumably apply less to those who live in germany and can periodically satisfy their lusts, whereas i spend a long time at sea before brief visits to port.

ii.

(to state the obvious, it's not just oase vs palace.)

in my recent report, i said oasis was better than palace. however, i was bored of palace at the time, just from sheer repetition (when i left palace on sunday to go to world, there were actually plenty of girls i'd like to fuck, i was just in a deranged state of mind) , so the novelty value elevated oase and world in my eyes. also, my estimation of oase was, as said, biased by the social element. i was also sexually exhausted, so i did not appropriately weight the sex in my overall 'rating' (there were no numbers, it was all just comparisons) , nor how much [i]i[/i] liked the lineup, simply the objective quality of the lineup. while my personal taste favors the best at palace, i know the typical monger would probably favor the body types at oase. but you may not be the typical monger.

the typical monger is first and foremost concerned with gfe, good service über alles, wants the full 30 minutes in the room (if i've just fucked a 10, the ast isn't my highest priority right now), is generally suspicious of optikficks, and so on. what i was trying to say in my january report, is that on this board there is some peer pressure to get the best gfe, as though if you're not getting gfe, you're doing something wrong (you lack [i]skill[/i]), are not a real man or 'gentleman' (you lack savoir-faire). more diplomatically, the typical monger implicitly writes for others like himself, so values and taste are not qualified to be relative to his 'demographic'.

but mongering may be an aesthetic experience instead: you just fuck the hot girls and satisfy your body, but also especially the eye. there is nothing wrong with this. i did waver from this principle and seek gfe in my last trip, but this deviation was simply a consequence of sexual exhaustion. i should have taken a day off, instead i went to the club indifferent to physical satisfaction and the result was romantic weakness.

if you have unfinished business at palace, go back to palace. the clique on this board favors oase, so in the literature published here, the estimation of oase is skewed (the same on the german boards, but the germans like thin waifs). so i would take this with a grain of salt. also, on the issue of many palace girls not kissing in the 50 euro session, there is actually some economic sense in this. many of these girls have more constant capital (read silicon, hours in the gym, tanning) invested in their bodies, so it makes economic sense that they're worth more. of course, if the girl is just a 7 or 8 without silicon enhancements and charges extra for kissing, that's another matter.

in fact, for me, the question of whether or not to go to palace boils down to, do you like silicon tits? if yes, proceed. now on this board and others, there is peer pressure against liking silicon tits (the implicit "i feel revulsion, so you should too"). but art is an enhancement of nature, as oscar wilde will tell us. again, mongering as an aesthetic experience. you're rarely going to fuck silikonisiert chicks in real life.

the second question concerning the palace would be, do you value nice, clean facilities and good, available food? if you said yes to the first question, and you also say yes to this one, then, well, this further reinforces your decision.

it would of course make more sense to arrange the questions in a sort of decision-tree, so the wondering monger answers the most important yes / no questions first. i believe such a model would be more helpful than quantitative ratings (as though to establish some sort of objective standard). for the real question is, how to decide between multiple reputedly good things? at this point, the decision needs to tailored to the individual. in this respect, there's no such thing as the 'typical monger' ;-)

now, the foregoing might not directly answer your questions, but i figured i would share what i'm thinking on the issues you address, which perhaps sums to a more general response.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;1269581]Mariana, Colombia. Olga's friend, taller, curvy Latina with auburn hair.
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Kiara / Chiara, German. Tall blonde, thin, looks like a model.[/QUOTE]Mariana was there on Mar 23rd but she didn't show up on the 24th. I didn't see Kiara when I visited.

[QUOTE=Sybarite2006; 1265108]:S1:

Thanks for the great report. I haven't seen saskia for two years but its good to.

Hear she is still there. I've been to a lot of FKKs and slept with a lot of lovely women but.

I've yet to see a girl as stunning as Saskia. If she has lost a bit of weight. Wow! Its like.

Polishing a diamond! Did she say if she was going to go to San Francisco permanently

Or if it was just a holiday? I hope she is not leaving Palace permanently.

Maybe HB can tell us?[/QUOTE]Someone mentioned in the past that she has a boyfriend and was planning to moved here. But I believe it's just for a holiday. When I talked to her about traveling she told me she's been to New York, all paid for by a client. Maybe someone paid her again. You should see her now, thinner, and super hot!

I encounter this problem quite frequently after my trips. I have no "carrot" in terms of another trip, so I dwell on the one I just took."what if I'd taken this girl or that? When am I going to be able to get back there? Why isn't life as simple and enjoyable here as it is in the fkks?" the answer to the second question is that it's not real life, it's fantasy land. I should consider myself lucky I have the means to be able to fly 6k miles and have sex with some of the most beautiful women on the planet, women who will fulfill my every desire. Many guys go through life and don't have as much fun as I do in one afternoon in germany.

That being said, I know sometimes I use this hobby as an escape and perhaps it's sent my dating life into arrested development. I find that I am somewhat aesthetically mind fucked now. I have pulled a few good looking women in my days, but I'm not tom cruise and can't do it on any predictable basis. The women who should be compatible mates (age appropriate for a 35 year old man, attractive but not hot as like in the fkks, intelligent) just don't seem to elicit the same physical attraction from me. I find I can respect them for their intelligence and personality, but it's hard for me to connect sexually. Sorry to vent here, I should save it for my shrink.

[QUOTE=Meeps77;1270074]Sorry to vent here, I should save it for my shrink.[/QUOTE]No need to apologize. I for one am always interested in the subjective data ;-) I always interesting to learn the (FKK induced) problems of those in a different stage of the life cycle. Though my best friend tends to ask me (in reference to dating), "Are you even bothering with girls now?"

Cheers,

O

Somehow my last post dropped the quote I was referring to. See below for context of my comments.

[QUOTE=Occultus; 1269968]But booking another vacation is a great way to take your mind [i]off[/i] The potential next trip.

I agree with you about getting the most out of your youth while you still can. The only arguments against this point of view are that sexual obsession (I find I fantasize a lot less before trips, now that I've made a few, but after the trip, it takes a while for me to recover my concentration) prevents one from accomplishing meaningful work. This is not a problem, if your actual job (if you must have one) does not require intelligent thinking or creativity. But if work (not necessarily for money) means writing, production of some intellectual (or maybe academic) material, then a mind still in Frankfurt is a dangerous thing. Note of course that these issues presumably apply less to those who live in Germany and can periodically satisfy their lusts, whereas I spend a long time at sea before brief visits to port.[/QUOTE]

It looks like I am celebrating my 5th FKK anniversary this spring. With five years gone, on average 15 to 25 visits per year and 3 to 4 girls per visit (I won't even try adding this up) I can humbly say I have gathered enough exprience to start sharing it with fellow mongers. And big thanks to all of you, contributors to this forum, your comments have been most instructive.

Plenty of girls, plenty of stories, perhaps I will get down to writing some of them on this forum.

I am putting this post on the Palace thread as the Palace was the first FKK club I visited and together with the Oase remains my favourite destination to this day. Apart from the two clubs, I've grown fond of World, Artemis, Sharks and Vienna's Goldentime but at least 80 per cent of my visits have been to Palace and Oase and, well, every time I return I feel a bit like coming back home.

Here is a report on my recent visit to the Palace together with some general FKK comments.

As usual, I arrive at Frankfurt Flughafen early in the afternoon starting another business visit to Hessen. Some have been asking why I have chosen to focus so much on Central Germany these days, the answer should be quite clear to all readers of this forum. An Hessen führt kein Weg vorbei: isn't it the local advertising slogan? It looks like there is more to it than the local tourist authority intended.

Though many dislike the FFM Airport, I have grown to appreciate its efficency and the excellent connection to the city. In less than an hour after my scheduled arrival I am already in my hotel room in Frankfurt's city centre. From there I need about 15 minutes to get to the Palace by public transport.

I pay EUR 75. 00 entrance fee and take a long relaxing shower. I love this place, there have been ups and downs, but the right girls are still there. Though I often miss the likes of Bee, Vanessa, Natasha or Stefania, there is still a lot of potential there.

Once inside the club, I can't help thinking of the old decor of the interior. I've been through at least two big renovation waves. I lost my favourite corner to the smokers' lounge to the right of the entrance after the first one, the last one still leaves me thinking whether it was really necessary. Honestly, I've not grown used to it yet, perhaps too many memories connected to the old one. Anyway, the rooms and the cinema have not changed and they are well beyond what I have found in other locations.

It's about 5 pm and the club is slowly getting busy, the lineup is already good and will get even better. Whenever I can, I like coming already shortly after 10 am. For me it's a perfect time to relax, few men, not too many women but once you know how to choose you can have wonderful unhurried sessions.

I take my time, I've learnt to be patient and choose carefully. Before I make my choice I have to say "no" at least 10 times. I try to be polite. The usual suspects are there, funny feeling to know more than half of the girls present. But the girls on my top repeat list are not there so I decide to sample some new talent.

I notice LEONORA from Albania (has lived in Germany for years). Great figure and something in her eyes that I find appealing. We talk, there's good chemistry and we head to a room. What a choice! What follows is an excellent session. She's receptive, eager to please. Add to this her good skills and it looks like she's enjoying herself, too. I never tip but as many advocate on this forum reward the best girls with some extras. Normally, I just continue over the 30 minute mark. She's all for it, too. We stop after an hour, I could well go on for much longer. Leonora gets my EUR 100. 00, I get a big kiss for goodbye. Repeat? Anytime.

After a visit to the sauna and the dining room, I spot SOPHIE sitting on one of the bar stools. She looks so sexy, long legs, pretty tits, glasses on her nose. We talk, she says she's French (have I ever met a French woman in a German FKK? I don't think so) and has lived in Germany for a few years. And, damn, she does look French, very la parisienne. There no way I'm going to miss this oportunity. A few minutes later we are already kissing auf Zimmer. Mmm, she tastes great. She's perhaps not as wild as Leonora, a bit more reserved but I love her none the same. A great GFE session. EUR 50. 00 Repeat? Yes.

Later in the evening, I feel like I could have one more session. I try to choose carefully not to spoil the excellent mood I am in after two great sessions. I talk to several girls, some of the ones I know ask why I have been neglecting them recently. This must be the sultan's dilemma when he enters his harem: "how do I keep all my wifes happy?" LOL The girls who are too pushy or complain too loud are off my repeat list for good.

Finally I choose ANNA from Romania. Much has been written here about Romanian girls. True, there are loads of them around. I personally like them, it's perhaps because the picture of an average Romanian girl: a dark-haired spinner comes close to my feminine ideal. I was disappointed more than once but I had a great time even more often. And Anna is up to scratch. She delivers a very good session, she's somewhat taller and thinner than I would prefer but I quickly forget about it once I put my cock in her pussy. EUR 50. 00 Repeat? Sure.

What a day. Three outstanding sessions, what else can you want? It does not always get that good but I keep on trying.

[QUOTE=Occultus; 1270088]No need to apologize. I for one am always interested in the subjective data. I always interesting to learn the (FKK induced) problems of those in a different stage of the life cycle. Though my best friend tends to ask me (in reference to dating),"Are you even bothering with girls now?"

Cheers,

O[/QUOTE]This is an interesting point. When I lived in FFM and was going to Palace at least once or twice every month (or more!) , I didn't really bother trying to date.

Regular girls any more as I had a regular supply of sex with girls whom I normally would have not much chance of pulling in the real world so it seemed a win-win situation; of course the economic downturn meant I had to leave FFM and Palace and go back to a more regular lifestyle! I even had a serious relationship since then but I found that the sex could never compete with what I was used to at Palace and it was one of the reasons my relationship ended. FKKs can.

Get a guy used to a fantasy-lifestyle which no real woman can ever hope to

Compete with! Of course, one pays for it!

Then

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Hi Folks,

Question for frequent visitors to Palace. How many or what percentage of girls are in the 18 to 21 year old bracket?

Thanks

[QUOTE=IrishLad81; 1271658]Hi Folks,

Question for frequent visitors to Palace. How many or what percentage of girls are in the 18 to 21 year old bracket?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Was there yesterday and would say 10 %

[QUOTE=IrishLad81; 1271658]Hi Folks,

Question for frequent visitors to Palace. How many or what percentage of girls are in the 18 to 21 year old bracket?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Palace doesn't allow girls under 21.

HB

[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1271719]Palace doesn't allow girls under 21.

HB[/QUOTE]Thanks Hessen Bub did not know that, is it a common policy among the clubs, In your option which club would be best for 18/21

[QUOTE=IrishLad81;1271727]Thanks Hessen Bub did not know that, is it a common policy among the clubs, In your option which club would be best for 18/21[/QUOTE]In the Frankfurt area it's Palace only. Young girls are to be found at Oase, World, Sharks, Mainhattan, Royal. Would not go to FKK 40 in Dietzenbach.

HB