Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2590766]You are no Lotus. More like a Citroen 2 CV, the one for 1949 with 9 hp, about to fall apart.[/QUOTE]Citroën 2 CV was also very light and passing everywhere, when Mercedes or BMW couldn't. Already climbed on top of Iseran 2770 high. Machine is in action now, until 2 October for Verbier.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2591063]LOL some people (eg you) think one move at a time, and some people (eg me) think multiple moves at a time in chess. Any smart monger (or any man with a dick and some libido, as well as the girls / guys who know how to make money using their body and some brain) would support a pro-freedom party which will not only keep prostitution open without any fear of repetitive useless lockdowns, but will also get rid of stupid condom laws, zoning laws etc. Not so genius though if you prefer CBJ or fucking your same old fugly wife for rest of your life haha.

Now, anyone knows of such a pro-freedom party in Germany?[/QUOTE]Talking about freedom in the time of pandemic like this is not very smart thing to do, but right thing to crave, keep on dreaming and beg to CCP to liberate us from this insanity restrictions that they set upon us LOL! Almost 2 years of this lock down on a lot of things including free loving flying penis of us mongers LOL!

Once upon our time, our penis used to fly around the world and free, now we are all trapped mongers LOL!

I think we should ban hooker. Not just make it illegal, but kill everyone engage in this dangerous activity of spreading dangerous disease to somebody.

[QUOTE=Arnold15;2591087]The biggest problem is that politicians have introduced restrictions and lockdowns in the belief that this is effective. Such lockdowns have never been undertaken before in history.
Thus, the entire burden of proof lies on those who want to lockdown.

No cost-benefit analysis has ever been performed.

And there is still no evidence that lockdowns have been efficient in any way.

The restrictions have had gigantic negative externalities on the national economy (unemployment, bankruptcies, rampant government debt), democratic freedoms and rights and not least public health (increased abuse, mental illness, physical inactivity).

Locking people up in their homes for a long time has catastrophic consequences for mental health. But it was nothing that neither the virologists, the journalists nor the politicians have ever understood.

Nor "the average person" in this thread.[/QUOTE]Lockdowns are terrible but I'll ask again the question that was never answered.

What's the alternative? Real world study of no lockdowns: Lombardi, Italy and NYC, USA in March 2020. What happens when those situations happen across every populated area in the world. What is the cost-benefit of that?

I'm sure in hindsight one could come up with a more precise way, but what is it? Maybe someone can Monday Morning quarterback their way to the better play.

You can society-Darwin your way and have governments make recommendations but I have little faith in the general population's ability to exercise discipline the way the Swedes did.

Reality matters.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2591074]Also, as they rolled out the vaccine, they changed the PCR cycle threshold to make the vaccine look good. To make it seem as the vaccine prevent infection. Now, they have to admit that it can not prevent infection and the vaccinated also are spreading covid. So, they changes the goal post to it prevent death and hospitalization.

While a drug cost 1 $ is way better than the vax in its ability to prevent infection. If they wanted to they can use this cheap drug to wipe out and eradicate the pandemic. But time is running out on the option.[/QUOTE]No vaccine has the primary intent of stopping transmission. At best, they are so effective that they allow the body to mount such a quick response to reduce the contagious period to practically zero, but that is a side benefit if possible. Preparing the body for future infections has always been the primary goal.

But even for Delta and for a time when antibody titers in the vaccinated are lower than in initial months, in addition to providing the individual with protection, the current vaccines still reduce contagious period to lower than if one was the mount a much slower natural response on their own.

Less contagion over a shorter period of time = less transmission from the vaccinated.

That's a basic concept of immunology.

I recently listened to a podcast where a medical doctor gave his accounts of people giving feedback / criticism of his positions. It was intriguing in that it pointed out that the anti-covid-vax counterarguments always came from non clinical scientists but hardly ever from clinical doctors. These academic / research scientists hardly ever integrate clinical intricacies (the more real-world application). Medical science is more intricate and variable and not so binary as the world of bench and research scientists. In short, tagging "scientists" to a title has limited value when speaking of the real world practice of medicine and public health because they don't approach the problem with an understanding of the entire picture.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2591004]That's because now they count everybody who dies with comorbidities as "covid19 death."

In the UK they even counted anyone who died after a positive Covid test as a "Covid death. " Die in a motorcycle crash or a car accident? "Covid!" Died of a heart attack? Covid! Died of cancer? Covid!

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53722711[/URL]

Also in the US they tried every trick in the book to manipulate "Covid deaths" upwards:

[URL]https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/man-who-died-in-motorcycle-crash-counted-as-covid-19-death-in-florida-report-07-18-2020[/URL]

The "hospitalization rate" was also heavily manipulated. People showing up with in the hospital ER with a broken leg or chest pain were tested for "Covid," and if they tested positive then they suddenly ended up as "hospitalized because of Covid:.[/QUOTE]Then why did we run out of ventilators and dialysis machines? At it's height last winter, my state had 6 dialysis machines left and my hospital was reduced to putting people on transport vents. On the worst night, we had ER nurses using bag valve masks on patients for several hours as we waited for vented patients to eventually die.

Easy to take your positions when you have no idea how bad it got in the hospitals.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2591053]Your mirror posts are sometimes hilarious to read. You should start with stand up comedy! I think I have counted a few dousing posts in the last year now where you project others in the image of yourself. Geez. Your NPC programmer is really doing a poor job.[/QUOTE]When speaking of expertise in one's own field, my contribution to the health of other humans speaks for itself. An easily replaceable, self proclaimed media communications expert who can't even spell, on the other hand, is quite embarrassing. Almost as embarrassing as being a quantified 3 on a scale of 10. Ugly and worthless sounds like a terrible existence.

[QUOTE=Arnold15;2591012]There are examples of severe influenza, e.g. in 1993 if I remember correctly, which took significantly more casualties than those you state.[/QUOTE]How many people died of influenza in 1993? 1994?

Seems like a false claim to me.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2591193]When speaking of expertise in one's own field, my contribution to the health of other humans speaks for itself.[/QUOTE]You were the nurse who jabbed people to death?

Also, you can always blame it on a mirco-penis when people get long term ill from the vaccines:

[URL]https://youtu.be/TuEKb9Ktqhc[/URL]

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2591193]When speaking of expertise in one's own field, my contribution to the health of other humans speaks for itself.[/QUOTE]You should go to Romania and apply for a job there:

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57049639[/URL]

At least the hints are strong there when they send the victims to Draculas Castle in order to get stung. In with the jab, out with the lifeforce. Dracul = devil. So you will be like the devil reincarnate, siphoning out peoples life essence.

I know what you were really doing when you went to Transylvania that time:

[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scholomance[/URL]

You are nothing but a darkspawn by now.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2591187]No vaccine has the primary intent of stopping transmission.[/QUOTE]Then explain to me the 94% relative risk reduction. Which was true for a few months. However, my gut knew it was too good to be true and it would not last. Also, explain to me herd immunity. Even if 100% of the population is vaccinated, we still can't get herd immunity.

So how will we get out of this? Is this a forever pandemic? Will we take vaccine, wear mask and put up with restriction for the rest of our life?

Let hope and pray that the saponin adjuvant can stimulate a strong and lasting adaptive t-cell respond that can kill infected cell. Antibody titer alone is not going to do it. It not even about science any more. It is about hope and prayer. Time will tell.

Or we have a cheap drug that reduces the R0 below 1. No need for hope and prayer.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2591183]Lockdowns are terrible but I'll ask again the question that was never answered.

What's the alternative? Real world study of no lockdowns: Lombardi, Italy and NYC, USA in March 2020. What happens when those situations happen across every populated area in the world. What is the cost-benefit of that?

I'm sure in hindsight one could come up with a more precise way, but what is it? Maybe someone can Monday Morning quarterback their way to the better play.

You can society-Darwin your way and have governments make recommendations but I have little faith in the general population's ability to exercise discipline the way the Swedes did.

Reality matters.[/QUOTE]Hospitals in New York were never overloaded. There were plenty of extra capacity.

[URL]https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-ap-top-news-international-news-weekend-reads-manhattan-e593ba57f37206b495521503d7e5e4c5[/URL]

Yes, correctly, hospitals in Italy were in fact overloaded. Why? The Italian medical doctors told everyone (also young people) who were infected to rush to the hospitals.

And they did!

The Italian hospitals DID NOT APPLY the TRIAGE priority, which has been well known since the Napoleonic wars. [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triage[/URL].

(In hell, Germans are policies and Italians are responsible for the organization).

Unsurprisingly, the Italian hospitals were overloaded.

I live in Sweden. The handling of Covid worked well here. And the Triage priority was indeed applied here.

Today I will go to the airport.

4 days with fuck and relax at sauna clubs in Germany for me.

For those who believe that Covid and its delta-, omega- and "bla bla-variants" are dangerous. Do not visit and FKK-club for the next 5 years.

[QUOTE=Arnold15;2591354]Hospitals in New York were never overloaded. There were plenty of extra capacity.

[URL]https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-ap-top-news-international-news-weekend-reads-manhattan-e593ba57f37206b495521503d7e5e4c5[/URL]..[/QUOTE]Complete utter horse crap. A disingenuously false statement for sure motivated by only believing what you want to believe. Add another to the covid misinformation camp. So many are drawn to ISG.

Posted a link from late April about [B]field[/B] when we got slammed in March? The fact that these field hospitals didn't get used only shows that locking down the city actually worked. Really, fuck your lack of integrity.

And the question goes unanswered, if no lock downs and restrictions, do we just let NYC and Milan happen all over the globe?

[QUOTE=Arnold15;2591354]Hospitals in New York were never overloaded. There were plenty of extra capacity.

[URL]https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-ap-top-news-international-news-weekend-reads-manhattan-e593ba57f37206b495521503d7e5e4c5[/URL]
I live in Sweden. The handling of Covid worked well here. And the Triage priority was indeed applied here.

Today I will go to the airport.

4 days with fuck and relax at sauna clubs in Germany for me.

For those who believe that Covid and its delta-, omega- and "bla bla-variants" are dangerous. Do not visit and FKK-club for the next 5 years.[/QUOTE]I wish you all the best! I'm going next week, also from Sweden, to enjoy 6 days at the clubs. Looking forward on your reports before I go.