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Too loud, too small, too cramped, no place to relax except for the dark and old wellness area downstairs. No place to sit and eat, sometimes no place to stand. Don't like the rooms, don't like the atmosphere.
Had a great time there years ago when Tik (Thailand) was still working.
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So the mayor was supported by the courts. He won approval to have all marihuana removed from Amsterdam's coffee houses and vowed to remove the RLD next. Is Germany facing the same fate? We already hear bits of complaints among the German politicians proclaiming they desire to slow, or shut down the sex industry there.
I really think these "moral" politicians are under estimating the pull on tourism and such these venues create. I for one, do not, nor never have smoked pot and do not generally care for the hippie crowd, but they also do not bother me and certainly serve a purpose of sorts. So why the sudden attacks on these industries?
I would say the clubs in NRW (Cologne, Dusseldorf or the pott) are a bit more 'specialized' than then big clubs in Hessen. You'll find few clubs with a similar size and similar amounts of girls, but if you're looking for something specific: NRW beats anything Hessen has to offer.
What service is concerned, there is no club in Hessen that can approach the average service level of Babylon, Panthera, Luderlounge, Neby, Bernds and a few others. The only place that comes close is Dietzenbach (and not for the AO) , but that place has other downsides. Of the big clubs, it is widely recognised that World gives you the best chance of good service. But even here you have chicks like Diana and Simona, that prefer smiling over DFK-ing. Public DFK and BBBJ is common only in Dietzenbach.
If you want a party there is no place that comes close to Samya. Sometimes a good Saturday in World can compete with tuesdays or mondays in Samya, but that is about it. Of course this is of no use if you don't feel like partying and dancing with the girls.
Regardless of the facilities in Sharks and World, there is no place for relaxing like PSR. It bores me to tears, but if that's what you're after: go to PSR.
Best food and drink: made to order in Babylon, Magnum, Panthera, Planet Eden and PSR. Great options in Livingroom and Goldentime as well, beats anyhing you can find in the big Hessen clubs. For beer, PHG, GT, LR, Panthera, PSR all have many free option (even with thekes who know how to pour a Weissen) and in babylon you can even enjoy some of the special Belgian beers. All included in the price.
If you want to go cheap: Mondial, Heaven7, Freude Herne, Luderlounge, Neby, Angelique (and all the RTCs) provide 30 E options; and penelope is even cheaper. Then there is the 40E clubs (Panthera and Acapulco) and in most cases the hourly rate is 75 or 80 (in contrast to the 100 in Hessen). Again, only Dietzenbach can compete.
Don't get me wrong, I like Hessen clubs for the "all day surrounded with naked chicks" feeling; but if you are looking for something specific, NRW will always have a better option. The best parties I've had were in Samya, the best sex in HP / Babylon / Lulo, best food in HP, best beer in babylon, best value for money in LR.
[QUOTE=Free Dude;1558586]What service is concerned, there is no club in Hessen that can approach the average service level of Babylon, Panthera, Luderlounge, Neby, Bernds and a few others.[/QUOTE]But I was set to go to Frankfurt, I thought the megaclubs of Oase and World are homeruns. Now I feel I must go to Goldentime, to Babylon, to PSR. I like to eat, party and relax too!
What do you mean by service exactly?
I look at alot of the clubs in NRW like Samya or Bernd, they seem to be rated very highly, but their website doesn't have English. This makes me nervous that foriegners I. E. Americans, aren't exactly welcome. Goldentime has English and looks very inviting and Oase and a lot of the Hessen clubs all have English.
What do you guys think? A first timer American like myself, should I stick to places which advertises itself more as welcoming to foreigners?
[QUOTE=GettingTang; 1558579]So the mayor was supported by the courts. He won approval to have all marihuana removed from Amsterdam's coffee houses and vowed to remove the RLD next. Is Germany facing the same fate? We already hear bits of complaints among the German politicians proclaiming they desire to slow, or shut down the sex industry there.
I really think these "moral" politicians are under estimating the pull on tourism and such these venues create. I for one, do not, nor never have smoked pot and do not generally care for the hippie crowd, but they also do not bother me and certainly serve a purpose of sorts. So why the sudden attacks on these industries?[/QUOTE]Probably not the right thread but this has been going on for many years, it's not like a sudden attack. As a P4P destination Amsterdam is quite dead for years anyway, the RLD is mainly a tourist spot. As for the pot they tried restricting it even more but I read they faced staunch opposition from local businesses, night clubs and so on.
Why? Despite of what you may have heard the average Amsterdam and Dutch Joe is actually somewhat conservative and does not particularly like these things going on in his home town, especially when it involves a young, and not exactly well-behaved crowd. I have to say it, sorry about that, particularly from the UK. If you ever witnessed a couple of summer nights in Amsterdam city center you know what I mean.
[QUOTE=Free Dude;1558586]The best parties I've had were in Samya, the best sex in HP / Babylon / Lulo, best food in HP, best beer in babylon, best value for money in LR.[/QUOTE]Every club has something a little different on the menu. I've found most of the girls 'prices' work out to about the same 50 euro's for me. I do like Samya when the girls get up to dance but feel that its a bit forced, I like seeing girls getting up and dancing because they feel like dancing. I've had great sex in all the clubs as well as bad sex, has nothing to do with the club location. In the end I go to where the lineup is the best to my liking and the facilities are big enough where one can stretch one's legs from time to time. To say one area is better than another is utter nonsense.
[QUOTE=GettingTang;1558579]He won approval to have all marihuana removed from Amsterdam's coffee houses and vowed to remove the RLD next.[/QUOTE]Thought I read that only the locals were allowed to sample the green stuff, you had to show I'd showing you weren't a tourist. And if the RLD closes down, many will move over to the clubs in Germany.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1558632]Thought I read that only the locals were allowed to sample the green stuff, you had to show I'd showing you weren't a tourist. And if the RLD closes down, many will move over to the clubs in Germany.[/QUOTE]Nah, I think theoretically its in the law and it had been enforced in some Dutch provinces, but in Amsterdam and many other popular areas, in practice everyone gets it, and has been for many many years, even if you don't know any Dutch. I have a friend, haha, who can attest that.
As I said forget about the RLD, vastly inferior to FKKs and other offerings in Germany, and every Dutch who has a clue knows that, why do you think are all the border area FKKs flooded with the Dutch?
[QUOTE=FKKForLife; 1558601]I look at alot of the clubs in NRW like Samya or Bernd, they seem to be rated very highly, but their website doesn't have English. This makes me nervous that foriegners I. E. Americans, aren't exactly welcome. Goldentime has English and looks very inviting and Oase and a lot of the Hessen clubs all have English.
What do you guys think? A first timer American like myself, should I stick to places which advertises itself more as welcoming to foreigners?[/QUOTE]English speakers are welcome at Samya and Bernds. I speak no German and have had no problems at either club.
Bernds is a small club with a small but consistent line up. When it's busy it can be cramped and if you're alone there's not a lot to do between sessions. They just announced in their newsletter a "Gentleman's Only Lounge" that will be playing Sky Sports on a wide screen. I believe it's in the old whirlpool room. For the folks that remember that room, it's probably big enough for a small number to relax in. The big plus for Bernds from my point of view is the uniformly high quality of service. If the facility is important to you, that will probably disappoint you but the service from the girls won't.
Samya is a larger club with more places to hang out. I think the food is pretty good in general. The line up is larger and younger than Bernds. My experience is the service is pretty good but not up to Bernds level. The facility is much nicer than Bernds.
I would not be concerned about not being welcome, you'll be treated well at either club.
[QUOTE=FKKForLife; 1558601]I look at alot of the clubs in NRW like Samya or Bernd, they seem to be rated very highly, but their website doesn't have English. This makes me nervous that foriegners I. E. Americans, aren't exactly welcome. Goldentime has English and looks very inviting and Oase and a lot of the Hessen clubs all have English.
What do you guys think? A first timer American like myself, should I stick to places which advertises itself more as welcoming to foreigners?[/QUOTE]The Bernd's website has what they call "Factsheet US" which is in English and most likely geared towards foreigners.
[url]http://schieferhof.istmein.de/facts.pdf?cls=res[/url]
[QUOTE=Neutron Flux; 1558619]Probably not the right thread but this has been going on for many years, it's not like a sudden attack. As a P4P destination Amsterdam is quite dead for years anyway, the RLD is mainly a tourist spot. As for the pot they tried restricting it even more but I read they faced staunch opposition from local businesses, night clubs and so on.
Why? Despite of what you may have heard the average Amsterdam and Dutch Joe is actually somewhat conservative and does not particularly like these things going on in his home town, especially when it involves a young, and not exactly well-behaved crowd. I have to say it, sorry about that, particularly from the UK. If you ever witnessed a couple of summer nights in Amsterdam city center you know what I mean.[/QUOTE]Dutch Joe isn't really conservative, but rather he is tolerant. And since I was in the RLD on Friday night, I honestly haven't seen much of a difference since I started going back after my initial hiatus that ended in 2009. Fantastic place. No pressure, no fear. Just fun. If you get the chance, go.
As a P4P destination, it is quite alive and has been for some years. Toned down, yes, but dead? NO!
So once your walking around in only a robe or a towel do you just carry cash around with you wherever you are in a club? Or a wallet in your hands at all times?
Also. What is keno?
Some clubs have small money lockers in the club so you can keep your money there. Otherwise you keep your money in your locker. Walking around with money or your wallet is not recommended. If you wear a robe then I guess putting 50 euro in a pocket isn't a bad idea. Not the worst thing if you lose it in the club or you forget it in your robe before you leave.
Kino is a room where they show porn. You take the girls in there for some fun before the room and that time may or may not be included in your room time. Remember if you get a BJ or DFK a girl unwritten rule is you are committed to a session.
As for the Amsterdam RLD, I personally love it. I don't go there for good sex rather a lot of fun talking to the window girls. I will try a couple of girls just for fun but expect nothing. I found a Serbian gem there last Spring who I repeat every visit. I always thought that if you were to put all the top Amsterdam RLD girls together they could compete lookswise with any top FKK. Of course service and value are other issues.
[QUOTE=Free Dude;1558586]there is no club in Hessen that can approach the average service level of Babylon, Panthera, Luderlounge, Neby, Bernds and a few others.[/QUOTE]Every trip I set out to do a couple of different things. This trip I plan on hitting a "service" club to see if the service is indeed better than the top GFE girls I have had at "non-service" clubs. Out of the "service" clubs which ones have the best looking girls under 27 or so.
The other thing I will be doing this trip is hitting paschalclub laufhaus and das bordello in Cologne and possibly the RLD in Duisburg.
Since I had to postponed my trip for 2 weeks I had long enough time to make RTFF. Thanks to all guys here especially Banana. Boi for their help and info provided. Really worked for me. I have to admit that despite I have made such a large research. (I wouldn't make the cliche Ph. D joke.) I have made some major mistakes because it's not easy to find the answers for questions. When you ask a question here to the forum you sense that it will sound stupid because it has been asked thousand times here and replied ten thousand times. For example, NRW or FRA, To rent a car or not, Top lists in FRA or NRW. Entering prices, session prices, destinations etc. Etc. Yes all the information all there and this Germany FKK thread is one of the largest part of the Forum but. Also I must add that it's the reason why it's not easy to find here because there is too much information. I think members like me looking for something different. Not just plain information. I need more comparisons and impressions so I will try to give my impressions briefly and I will try to answer to the common questions from my perspective since they are asked thousand times, there are still many guys reading this to find out answers to this questions;
FRA or NRW or Berlin.
I have made my first visit to Artemis two years ago and I have no regrets to do that after my 6th FKK-Bordello visit. (Oase, Samya, GT, Artemis, Magnum, Pascha). Artemis is a great place for a first timer. Yes there are sharks but also gems enough. And a place full of beatiful women never big enough. Don't worry you wouldn't get lost. You will for more and more space.
This size thing was one of my mostly considered issue because I really like to get lost in big FKK's. When you check the metersquares on their websites you will see that Magnum is bigger than Samya but actually this is deceptive. In my opinion you will have more space in Samya. The important point here is size of Main bar-club area and it's bigger and comfortable in Samya than in Magnum's main bar area. (Why they put the big speakers just behind your ass on seats?) Magnum has got some rooms and maybe upper floors but most of them are just empty and useless. Magnum don't have the aura of Samya. Oase is big enough but it's again not giving you the freshness and comfort of Artemis. I think architecturally a FKK must be born as a FKK. I had ten times more space in Artemis than I had inOase. One of the bad thing is you always have to climb stairs to go to lockers and to eat something and even for toilets also. It's simply tiresome. I don't even mention about the terrible and expensive food. I have made my choice for NRW because of cost issues but that was a mistake because for weekend FRA clubs much much better. I had great time in Oase on Saturday and it wasnt too much crowded. One superiority of Artemis to Oase is Kino action. Kino is a separated area so you can enjoy the real erotism there. You will have the feeling that you take your GF and take her to a dark room. This is not the case in Oase. It's just in the middle of everything and open for everyone's eyes. The good thing with Oase is the Cum in Mouth thing. It's a big Oase tradition and nearly all girls will ask you for this. They like you to cumm in their mouths. You are being informed about cost of it even in reception so when you enter you have the feeling of you will come in a lot of mouths! For weekdays NRW clubs can be preferable? I don't know because NRW side takes most of it's power from GT and it was in a weak time when I was there. That's maybe the reason that I like FRA much. Of course I can't make a real comparison after visiting only one club in FRA but I want to share my feelings. Samya is also a big power for NRW andalso Magnum is if you are only looking for good value for your money. Magnum offers you 9 and 10. S.
To rent a car or not.
Guys. Please do it. Yes I am also fan of the public transport system in European Countries and it's extra good in Germany but I highly recommend you to taste the feeling of Driving freely on German Autobahns and feel the excitement of finding women for fuck. I say from the heart maybe the time that you spend on way, beneath this little villages better than the time spend in FKK's.
Note:If you take the car in Airport you will have to pay %22 Airport fee and it's totally unnecesary. Just a few euro to go city center by train.
Top Clubs in Cities.
Don't try to visit all. I was suspicious about my policy giving one day off. I usually make one day visit and the other day get rest so I make one visit per 2 days. Now I think this is definitely a true practice. By this way you will have enough time to enjoy normal touristic places and enough material to cover your trip. So if we assume an average visit is 5 days. 3 FKK clubs will be enough. Don't waste your time to visit all. I have regrets not to go to a Partryreff or smt different than another FKK visit in Cologne. By the way Cologne is a nice city. Don't forget to buy some after shave from the hundred years Cologne shop 4711 °. At the end yes it's million times nicer than FRA in means of sightseeing but it's still a boring city especially in weekdays like all german cities.
Just for your information my list would be as follows;
NRW.
Samya.
Magnum.
Mondial.
FRA.
Oase.
Sharks.
World.
I have written this for the people who don't enough time and patience to make the RTFF.
Regards.