FKK Palace - Frankfurt

Hi,

Thanks for the feedback but I think sensual love making is interpreted as a weakness to this women and that is why in palace they continue to rip us up and have no respect for us. To them this guys are ugly or fat or old who have to pay for sex (not all but I think a majority would think that way). So anyway to my thinking why should we be nice and fuck them gently and easily part with 100 euro just like that. The truth is thy need us more than we need them rite? I mean the are selling their bodies and letting men of from god knows what nationalties to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] or cum in their mouth. So yeah pounding them like the meat they are kinda suits this women because they are not ladies they are working girls just like they see us not alpha male rather weak losers than needs to pay for sex.

Since I am paying I want to make their pussy work overtime!

I basically had gina and pounded her like crazy and pulled hair (no extra charge; p) and I basically rode her like a horse. I mean really never in my wildest fanstasy I would ever imagine to be able to dominate a beautifull women like. Imagine a 300 pound black guy pounding a supermodel and she takes it obediently. Money is power my friend and we have extra to spare and they NEED it. Next wee when I visit palace gina will feel my love and I will try anal with her and CIM is a definite! Just need to think I nice fantasy to include her.

And I think I am deliberately going to my find myself some shark and pound them and see the extreme they will go. They can do or say whatever to annoy me but they still need to take my big cock in their **** wheteher they like it or not! Best positon for this is doggy while holding their waist tight! So power to the money boys and lets us get our money's worth in palace!

[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen; 1272915]Treat the girls with respect!

It's a "so macho thing" to think you can fuck their brains out. Maybe you have this view because of your background.

My approach, treat her like your lover. And she might return the favor.

I don't think you should pounding the girls like a piece of meat, remember if every guys do this how long would she last. She has to work day after day.

Some girls like hard sex, you should ask her what she likes. I always starts slowly and build up the tempo according to the mood.

Girls are girls no matter if it's paid sex or not.[/QUOTE]Nille has made some excellent points here. If you treat the girl really well, she may indeed treat you so well, that you will swear its better than any real GF ever gave you. Treat her like shit and she won't be able to keep up the super act for long. She will just tire and get really fed up with you. Great girls definitely do not perform the same for every customer. You should be working to become a favoured customer.

[QUOTE=Montecristo; 1272398]Sorry for this question, but after reading dozens of reports, I still have doubts about this issue.

It seems dress code is full nudity, for women in these places. Is this the general rule, if I went do Palace or Oase most girls I will find there are full nude, or some are in topless or lingerie? (I think there a lingerie day ).

If this is not very clear, can someone estimate percentage of full nude girls, and if there is some diference from Palace to Oase?

Thanks in advance.

Montecristo[/QUOTE]This topic does come up a lot.

Firstly Palace girls on average wear more than Oase girls. However some Palace girls are properly nude. Some have silly partial coverages like thigh bands, some have see through body stocking type stuff. Some even lie down or bend over and spread there legs to show off the pussy. It varies.

Do not attend on Dessous days, as then girls wear too much underwear. These days should really be boycotted until they forget this idea. Just my personal opinion. I believe Thursday is the day to be avoided for Palace.

At Oase relaxing in the indoor spa is good because can get a good upward view of nude girls at the top of the stairs. There are probably good spots at Palace too.

Part of the whole attraction of FKK is seeing girls bodies properly before choosing. The no one can complain about the girl's body afterwards. I refuse to go with girls with very ordinary figures. We pay money to have a fantasy super girl, so that's what I require. If an unknown girl comes right up to me unawares, I will rarely go with her straight off, as need time to see if her shape is really above average and to my specs. If she is too close, I can't asses her body properly.

Both Palace and Oase have some girls with absolutely magnificent figures and virtually all nude, save for the boots, neck scarf or whatever. So don't dispair, but don't choose Dessous day.

Hi all,

Nille thanks for your input but I have experienced and had women who likes to be treated that way. Trust me is you say do you want to do this and that they would say no. Girls in palace and oase when I ask to have their legs on my shoulders all decline including gina but I just be the dominant one and take the legs up and put it on my shoulder. I think most women like to be dominated this way even those that find you repulsive something like they like being dirty and all. I am sorry apart from the hungary girl (who I plan to see again and attempt to discipline). But oase girls are ok with this I mean girls in oase are right down and dirty! Unfortunately no gina there.

P / s to fellow mongers have you fingered any girls in palace? Share you experience. In oase it is allowes with NO extra charges as I did it with all the girls but what I did is that I only do it in the room not in kino. In palace gina was ok with it it. The hungary girl said "no touch there". Romanian girl said it was extra but I did it anyway but there were no charges as I paid the 50 euro; p (but I don't know whether she forgot because she was in a hurry to chase other men that night but I don't care.)

Will visit palace this week or next week and shall try to remember the names. I shall try to push the limits with the girls as well and see do they charge extra for hair pulling and rough sex if you ask for 1 hour anal with CIM. Lots of money involve and I am sure some girls wouldlt mind their bodies to be defiled for such an amount of money.

[QUOTE=Amriptna111;1272379]Do you guys thinks this women can actually genuinely fall in love after being used by so many men of diff age, body type and nationalities. There a beautifull but gosh. I wonder can a man even fall in love with them.[/QUOTE]Yes guys do fall for the girls and want to take them away. This can be a big problem for a popular girl, who has several guys all with the same idea.

One girl that retired, made one customer very happy and one or two other regular customers very pissed off, especially one that thought he almost "owned" the girl.

One of the disappointed regulars still comes to the Palace often, but is probably wary of falling for a girl again. He is married with a wife and family at home. So they probably guess where he disappears to so regularly.

[QUOTE=Amriptna111; 1272939]Hi,

Thanks for the feedback but I think sensual love making is interpreted as a weakness to this women and that is why in palace they continue to rip us up and have no respect for us. To them this guys are ugly or fat or old who have to pay for sex (not all but I think a majority would think that way). So anyway to my thinking why should we be nice and fuck them gently and easily part with 100 euro just like that. The truth is thy need us more than we need them rite? I mean the are selling their bodies and letting men of from god knows what nationalties to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] or cum in their mouth. So yeah pounding them like the meat they are kinda suits this women because they are not ladies they are working girls just like they see us not alpha male rather weak losers than needs to pay for sex.

Since I am paying I want to make their pussy work overtime!

I basically had gina and pounded her like crazy and pulled hair (no extra charge; p) and I basically rode her like a horse. I mean really never in my wildest fanstasy I would ever imagine to be able to dominate a beautifull women like. Imagine a 300 pound black guy pounding a supermodel and she takes it obediently. Money is power my friend and we have extra to spare and they NEED it. Next wee when I visit palace gina will feel my love and I will try anal with her and CIM is a definite! Just need to think I nice fantasy to include her.

And I think I am deliberately going to my find myself some shark and pound them and see the extreme they will go. They can do or say whatever to annoy me but they still need to take my big cock in their * wheteher they like it or not! Best positon for this is doggy while holding their waist tight! So power to the money boys and lets us get our money's worth in palace![/QUOTE]Amriptna111,

I can't take you seriously any more. You said you are a newbie, falling in love and then you said you treat the girls like

Piece of meat. And think money is power. No wonder girls don't like Turkish guys like you and your attitude. Furthermore with this attitude you are making it worse for non-white guys to enjoy the clubs. The girls will warn each other about bad guys.

[QUOTE=Norwegian90; 1272897]YES the girls are there to make money. And although I'm not the most experienced monger I have some very good experiences with escort back home.

Have been to the Palace 3 times. And every time I have found girls that can provide real GFE. And like Amriptna111 I have sometimes been confused. Does the girl really like me? My personal opinion is that if you treat the girls well, and are polite and of course smell good, you may get lucky. I don't think a working girl can french kiss with a customer they don't like at all. In some of my cases, at Palace, some of the girls actually started to kiss me first. And begged for more. They wouldn't do that if the don't liked me, at least a little bit. Of course I know that they don't want to marry me or date me. (Date me? Who knows, hehe) And I know that the girls in there want be my girlfriend outside the club. But I still think that SOME, I don't say all, of the girls actually can have a good time / have fun and sometimes enjoy their meetings with some customers. Rember they are just human beings. My last time in the Palace I had a really nice session with one of the girls. She kissed me and looked me in the eyes, just like a girlfriend. And thats one of the best lays I ever had in my life actually. The session was VERY passionate. So to be honest, I think she liked me. She even told me that, I know that you can't always trust the girls. But she didn't say she liked my eyes, body ets (not that I am ugly) but she said she liked my personallity and that I was very mature for my age. Remember this is just my opinion and my point of view. I am not neccesary saying that I am correct.

Norwegian90[/QUOTE]Sure some girls have a good time, but don't confuse that with really wanting to be with you. In a job where a girl will be fucking all the time, she will definitely have a good time with some of them; just like how a server at Starbucks may be ordered around by some patrons, while there is some fun banter with others. That doesn't mean he / she is your friend, let alone girlfriend. If you think girls can't french kiss someone without liking them, I suggest you go have a look in Freude or Bernds. You'll see every girl frenching their client within a minute of meeting them. The quickest I've had was 8 seconds before I had a tongue in my mouth (Claire in Freude).

I've had my fair share of (great) illusions, but it's probably a good idea to realize it is an illusion. Being in your twenties will make some girls go a bit further with you and I must admit it is a bit of a rush to hear from 'older' mongers how a girl doesn't kiss, when you have just spend an hour doing little else. I've heard the 'I really like you', 'when are you coming back', 'I love you', 'you're my boyfriend', etc. From girls, like most FKK mongers have. Just like I've had girls spending a lot of time with me outside the room; or making out with me for half an hour before asking if I was interested in more; or insisting we 'only' spent and hour in the room, while it was definitely more than that. I'm sure these girls prefer to be with some clients over others, and some of them will be 'giving' you a bit extra. That doesn't mean you'd stand a chance outside the club.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1273022]Nille has made some excellent points here. If you treat the girl really well, she may indeed treat you so well, that you will swear its better than any real GF ever gave you. Treat her like shit and she won't be able to keep up the super act for long. She will just tire and get really fed up with you. Great girls definitely do not perform the same for every customer. You should be working to become a favoured customer.[/QUOTE]Definitely true and reading Amriptna111's last post, seems to indicate he isn't likely to get into this situation. A bit of understanding for the girls' situation goes a long way. These girls are here because they have little other options and if you think it was a 100% rational choice, you're deluded. Just like you're deluded if you think, all your euros stay in her pockets. Be nice and respectful and girls will be comfortable with you, which will inevitably lead to better experiences.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1273029]Yes guys do fall for the girls and want to take them away. This can be a big problem for a popular girl, who has several guys all with the same idea.

One girl that retired, made one customer very happy and one or two other regular customers very pissed off, especially one that thought he almost "owned" the girl.

One of the disappointed regulars still comes to the Palace often, but is probably wary of falling for a girl again. He is married with a wife and family at home. So they probably guess where he disappears to so regularly.[/QUOTE]Of course this happens regularly and it isn't at all uncommon for the girl to feel the same way. The caveat is that this almost exclusively the case when monger and girl see each other weekly for hours at the time. Especially in the cheaper NRW clubs you have guys that spend 10+ hours with a girl weekly, and this might develop into something more. Meeting up outside the club is ubiquitous and doesn't mean anything in itself BTW. I don't think the majority of ISG members who go to the same club once every three months (and I include myself in that) has any realistic chance.

[QUOTE=Free Dude;1273068]Of course this happens regularly and it isn't at all uncommon for the girl to feel the same way. The caveat is that this almost exclusively the case when monger and girl see each other weekly for hours at the time. Especially in the cheaper NRW clubs you have guys that spend 10+ hours with a girl weekly, and this might develop into something more. Meeting up outside the club is ubiquitous and doesn't mean anything in itself BTW. I don't think the majority of ISG members who go to the same club once every three months (and I include myself in that) has any realistic chance.[/QUOTE]Some of the girls I know well told me that they have regulars that were crazy in love with them and offer them lots of gifts and even wanted to marry them.

The girls admitted me that these guys gave them the creeps, they try to be nice because they get good money from these guys,

But it's just an act, the poor guys think the girls like them for real. LOL

[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen; 1272915]Treat the girls with respect!

It's a "so macho thing" to think you can fuck their brains out. Maybe you have this view because of your background.

My approach, treat her like your lover. And she might return the favor.

I don't think you should pounding the girls like a piece of meat, remember if every guys do this how long would she last. She has to work day after day.

Some girls like hard sex, you should ask her what she likes. I always starts slowly and build up the tempo according to the mood.

Girls are girls no matter if it's paid sex or not.[/QUOTE]Since when? You're not treating a girl with disrespect just because you fuck her hard. I mean even the thought of that equaling disrespect makes me laugh aloud! Some women (paid or not) like to be fucked HARD. Do you know how many tutes have commanded me to fuck them as hard as I possibly can? Even in the ass! LOL! Some mongers and tutes (lots) don't want to "make love" or do the GFE thing. Maybe they get off on the PSE (porn star experience) or something else ("pull my hair" or "slap your dick in my face"). And as long as both parties agree on what to do and how, then there is no disrespect. As you say, you're better off asking about these things first. After all, sometimes the girl wants to fuck hard and I'm the one who doesn't! Nothing "macho" about it at all LMAO!

[QUOTE=Norwegian90; 1272897]And I know that the girls in there want be my girlfriend outside the club. But...
[/QUOTE]Nice Freudian slip ;-)

Hi,

Erm out of curiousity do you think the girls in palace or oase have pimps? I do wonder how they get into this trade at such a young age?

I did ask the girls in oase (romanians) they say they are independant but who knows rite?

[QUOTE=Amriptna111; 1272939]Hi,

Thanks for the feedback but I think sensual love making is interpreted as a weakness to this women and that is why in palace they continue to rip us up and have no respect for us. To them this guys are ugly or fat or old who have to pay for sex (not all but I think a majority would think that way). So anyway to my thinking why should we be nice and fuck them gently and easily part with 100 euro just like that. The truth is thy need us more than we need them rite? I mean the are selling their bodies and letting men of from god knows what nationalties to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] or cum in their mouth. So yeah pounding them like the meat they are kinda suits this women because they are not ladies they are working girls just like they see us not alpha male rather weak losers than needs to pay for sex.

Since I am paying I want to make their pussy work overtime!

I basically had gina and pounded her like crazy and pulled hair (no extra charge; p) and I basically rode her like a horse. I mean really never in my wildest fanstasy I would ever imagine to be able to dominate a beautifull women like. Imagine a 300 pound black guy pounding a supermodel and she takes it obediently. Money is power my friend and we have extra to spare and they NEED it. Next wee when I visit palace gina will feel my love and I will try anal with her and CIM is a definite! Just need to think I nice fantasy to include her.

And I think I am deliberately going to my find myself some shark and pound them and see the extreme they will go. They can do or say whatever to annoy me but they still need to take my big cock in their * wheteher they like it or not! Best positon for this is doggy while holding their waist tight! So power to the money boys and lets us get our money's worth in palace![/QUOTE]What a blow to chivalry in those sentences! In all seriousness, I do think that around here the GFE approach is taken too often as the only possible approach. If you prefer the macho approach to sex, then all power to you. Trust your instincts. But also criticize yourself. You seek power, just don't restrict your quest to the physical plane. And note that sometimes you can attain greater power by conceding power.

It is annoying when the sharks rip you off. But you can also avoid sharks through careful selection. Through more 'meaningful' interactions with the girls, you learn what they are like, from this you can distill some types of working girls. Then you have a better idea who the sharks are. The problem, though, is when you really want to fuck that shark who you know is going to rip you off!

(If you meant 'rip us off' by 'rip us up', it is actually hard to get ripped off, if you wear a watch and select girls well.)

Also, if you do a several-days-long mongering trip, you may find that you get bored of purely physical sex. You are fantasizing heavily right now, precisely because on your trip to Frankfurt you did not get enough. If you go to the Palace for two or three days in a row and fuck like crazy, you may find that you are terribly bored of purely physical sex. And that's when the serpent that's GFE stings you. You too may want the slow, sensual lovemaking.

Overall, while your words may seem crude to some, you make the good point that the relation between the monger and the wh0re is a power relation. You ask, How can the man win the fight? Your first answer is, to pound the **** like hell. But this approach assumes she has no respect for you, it's a way of telling her you realize her lack of respect and don't care. But maybe the respect [i]can[/i] be won if you take a more careful approach. I don't know. But if you think about it, maybe you'll have a second answer.

[quote]they see us not alpha male rather weak losers than needs to pay for sex.[/quote]I've heard a girl say something like this. However, she also said she hates most the guys who pretend they're alpha males when they're paying for sex with her. Ultimately, there are categories of men besides alpha males and weak losers. Ultimately, don't be a category, just be yourself. But if you really like the macho fucks, then fuck like a man and let her curse you all she wants!

[QUOTE=The Cane;1273105]Since when? You're not treating a girl with disrespect just because you fuck her hard. I mean even the thought of that equaling disrespect makes me laugh aloud! Some women (paid or not) like to be fucked HARD. Do you know how many tutes have commanded me to fuck them as hard as I possibly can? Even in the ass! LOL! Some mongers and tutes (lots) don't want to "make love" or do the GFE thing. Maybe they get off on the PSE (porn star experience) or something else ("pull my hair" or "slap your dick in my face"). And as long as both parties agree on what to do and how, then there is no disrespect. As you say, you're better off asking about these things first. After all, sometimes the girl wants to fuck hard and I'm the one who doesn't! Nothing "macho" about it at all LMAO![/QUOTE]This, Returned from my Virgin trip and the two Girls out of the Five I pounded long & hard at FKK Mainhattan were hanging on me hours after, I think that's a good sample Size LOL

[QUOTE=The Cane;1273105]Since when? You're not treating a girl with disrespect just because you fuck her hard. I mean even the thought of that equaling disrespect makes me laugh aloud! Some women (paid or not) like to be fucked HARD. Do you know how many tutes have commanded me to fuck them as hard as I possibly can? Even in the ass! LOL! Some mongers and tutes (lots) don't want to "make love" or do the GFE thing. Maybe they get off on the PSE (porn star experience) or something else ("pull my hair" or "slap your dick in my face"). And as long as both parties agree on what to do and how, then there is no disrespect. As you say, you're better off asking about these things first. After all, sometimes the girl wants to fuck hard and I'm the one who doesn't! Nothing "macho" about it at all LMAO![/QUOTE]I don't support this "I going to fuck your brains out" attitude and treat the girls like pieces of meat,

Some guy apparently have this attitude.

I like PSE too. If both partner agree on rough sex it's a different things.

Like a hot Polish blond at Oase told me to fuck her hard and we did have rough sex and she loved it.

Your statement: Pounding the girls long and hard and they would fancied you, LOL, what a joke.