Seeking Arrangements

Hahaha I knew someone would low key flame me (thanks cane!) for being a bit beta in this situation, but I am eyes wide open. I tend to play a more BFGF game than most. And that leads to a bit longer term stuff (known her since I've 2024). And that means we don't always show our best selves. Because we've gotten super comfortable. So I am ok w a girl showing her emotions, as long as it's not lazy. Most girls do get lazy 1. 5 to 2 years in and that's when I end things. But having a tiff is not grounds for dismissal. Getting lazy about sex is.

I've realized also that the girls I really adore and sorta love (only 4 since 2018) were all very alpha. Like a woman who is admired by others and really takes charge a lot. And that's def N. She is everyone's dream girl. To just be around her energy is intoxicating and I am willing to be a little beta to keep it rolling. I know girls don't really want beta so I tread a fine line. But this girl is fire and not just her looks. She slays all that come in contact. So I am going to keep it rolling.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3066099]Hahaha I knew someone would low key flame me (thanks cane!) for being a bit beta in this situation, but I am eyes wide open. I tend to play a more BFGF game than most. And that leads to a bit longer term stuff (known her since I've 2024). And that means we don't always show our best selves. Because we've gotten super comfortable. So I am ok w a girl showing her emotions, as long as it's not lazy. Most girls do get lazy 1. 5 to 2 years in and that's when I end things. But having a tiff is not grounds for dismissal. Getting lazy about sex is.

I've realized also that the girls I really adore and sorta love (only 4 since 2018) were all very alpha. Like a woman who is admired by others and really takes charge a lot. And that's def N. She is everyone's dream girl. To just be around her energy is intoxicating and I am willing to be a little beta to keep it rolling. I know girls don't really want beta so I tread a fine line. But this girl is fire and not just her looks. She slays all that come in contact. So I am going to keep it rolling.[/QUOTE]It was not intended to be a flame. She should have been showing gratitude at all times for what you were doing for her instead of throwing off attitude. In fact, you shouldn't have had to step in when the guy was in between the two of you, his back to you. She should have said you both were together out of respect for you. Instead she's standing there exchanging Instagrams, and gets ticked off when you finally say the two of you were together. You acted like a gentleman, and I find her behavior to be unacceptable. It's the kind of shit some hot girls will do, acting like you're supposed to be kissing their ass at all times when you're there spending your money on them. This is what I'm talking about. Do your thing!

[QUOTE=TheCane;3066055]Now this is the kind of thing that pisses me off about some women. You flew her ass all the way over there and went through some extraordinary effort to get her in. You're wining and dining her and treating her to a lifestyle that she could never afford on her own. And some asshole is going to Bogart in and take your time? You had shown great patience already both then and on other occasions, and perhaps the guy truly miscalculated in his mind and wasn't just intentionally trying to disrespect you, but at some point you had to let him know what's up. And she's going to get mad at you for doing that? No, fuck that! I'm generally speaking not a jealous type of guy about anything, but enough is enough! Especially when you're treating this girl in a way most guys never would, even if they could afford to do it too. No, I'm not flying these "soft core hoors" anywhere, only to have them turn around and disrespect me too. No, homey don't play that! The reason I'm paying them is not only to fuck them, but also so that they leave, to avoid all of the arguments and emotional bullshit LOL! But hey Steve, you do you. You do it well! I'm just out here trying to get my nuts sucked and land a good butt fuck! Hahahaha! Off for my own new Iberian adventure soon.[/QUOTE]The Cane standing on business as usual. Threating soft core pros too good often results in disrespect. They start thinking maybe you are soft too. Best policy is getting your nut sack sucked and dropping a couple hot loads in her poot. Then keep it moving. LOL! The long-term GFE tends to have a low ROI for most. The girl knows that you have over invested and feels free to show her ass, and not in the way you love.

[QUOTE=MrBuckley;3065673]Has anyone had success with SA in Indonesia? Any advice or info on going rates? I think I have read that someone has posted better off bringing someone from Jakarta to Bali LOL.[/QUOTE]One of the best places for SA hunting IMO and yes best to take someone from Jakarta to Bali as you get a better deal and they all like to let loose and party in Bali.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3066099]Hahaha I knew someone would low key flame me (thanks cane!) for being a bit beta in this situation, but I am eyes wide open. I tend to play a more BFGF game than most. And that leads to a bit longer term stuff (known her since I've 2024). And that means we don't always show our best selves. Because we've gotten super comfortable. So I am ok w a girl showing her emotions, as long as it's not lazy. Most girls do get lazy 1. 5 to 2 years in and that's when I end things. But having a tiff is not grounds for dismissal. Getting lazy about sex is.

I've realized also that the girls I really adore and sorta love (only 4 since 2018) were all very alpha. Like a woman who is admired by others and really takes charge a lot. And that's def N. She is everyone's dream girl. To just be around her energy is intoxicating and I am willing to be a little beta to keep it rolling. I know girls don't really want beta so I tread a fine line. But this girl is fire and not just her looks. She slays all that come in contact. So I am going to keep it rolling.[/QUOTE]People who complain don't have a good game. A confident man does not have to worry about a woman straying. By being the alpha male, no other guy can compete. If you have to guard your prize, it is a sign of lack of confidence. And girls love guys with confidence. If you show a weak hand, she already trading up.

Anyone else noticing a big decrease in quantity and quality nowadays, especially in Europe?

Been doing Europe for the last 2-3 years, and planning a Euro summer soon. Usually cities like Barcelona, Madrid, London, Amsterdam have too much to choose from, spoilt for choice and hard to pick which ones to message / meet. This year I've been seeing much of the same profiles as previous years, all looking like hardened pro's, and very few if any of the 18-27 girl next door / student types. And almost all of these GND types accounts that pop up seem to sign up, and they never log on again, with their profiles last seen date closed to their join date.

Sad state of affairs.

Pivot to online work and influencers etc. Just getting messaged directly on IG by guys to fly them out or what?

I really wonder.

[QUOTE=Jbob084;3066549]Anyone else noticing a big decrease in quantity and quality nowadays, especially in Europe?

Been doing Europe for the last 2-3 years, and planning a Euro summer soon. Usually cities like Barcelona, Madrid, London, Amsterdam have too much to choose from, spoilt for choice and hard to pick which ones to message / meet. This year I've been seeing much of the same profiles as previous years, all looking like hardened pro's, and very few if any of the 18-27 girl next door / student types. And almost all of these GND types accounts that pop up seem to sign up, and they never log on again, with their profiles last seen date closed to their join date.

Sad state of affairs.

Pivot to online work and influencers etc. Just getting messaged directly on IG by guys to fly them out or what?

I really wonder.[/QUOTE]Not really. If anything I am seeing the opposite. Why would these factors be worse than 2 years ago considering alot of the online avenues are saturated with AI and women trying to do the same thing for zero work.

I find the women on Seeking who want to charge by the hour interesting. I can browse escort sites for free and pay half of what they want. Why am I paying a subscription fee to get up-charged?

If they're hot enough, maybe they'll go to the back of line, but most likely my other options will keep me busy.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3066040]I found many of the women in Colombia and Mexico to be much the same though Mexico is getting more Westernized.[/QUOTE]Elvis, you were one of the members that got me using Seeking years back. I was wondering if using an American number on Whatsapp gets you worse results than using a Colombian number. I'm still in the US and been back on the site for a week. You think I'd be better off waiting until next week when I have a Colombian number? I don't remember there being much difference in the past.

They'll figure out I'm a gringo eventually, of course. But maybe the opening offer would be lower.

[QUOTE=Jbob084;3066549]Anyone else noticing a big decrease in quantity and quality nowadays, especially in Europe?

Been doing Europe for the last 2-3 years, and planning a Euro summer soon. Usually cities like Barcelona, Madrid, London, Amsterdam have too much to choose from, spoilt for choice and hard to pick which ones to message / meet. This year I've been seeing much of the same profiles as previous years, all looking like hardened pro's, and very few if any of the 18-27 girl next door / student types. And almost all of these GND types accounts that pop up seem to sign up, and they never log on again, with their profiles last seen date closed to their join date..[/QUOTE]I think it's a global phenom. The rebranding as a dating site plus the flood of pros and OF models plus hyperinflation is a perfect storm for disaster. I was getting no time limit dates with models and porn stars raw dog for 500 here in LA. Now plain girls and cougars call that Splenda.

I tried seeking in Spain 3 years ago and was shocked at how hard it was to get someone under 500. I did find a great hard body cougar for 400 though but she seemed like the exception.

I'm planning a Fall assault on Mexico and plan to use seeking and will report back. I am traveling solo and for an extended period so staying in an airbnb so a regular I can register would be ideal in many ways. I imagine real SBs would be horrified at going to a love motel LOL.

I spent a month on Seeking setting up SB dates. Probably shot gunned 70 different pretty thin girls with the same generic message. I got a fairly healthy response, but there were definitely girls that mentioned money on Seeking's messaging system and one almost got me banned when I responded to it (I literally asked her not to mention money on Seeking and got reported). Ended up messaging about 40 of the girls on WhatsApp or Telegram with the primary criteria being ability to speak English and travel with me.

I worked on getting them to specify gift amounts, which varied wildly. Most fell between 2. 4 million IDR ($138) to 6 million IDR ($345). GPS is a serious issue even in Indonesia with some girls asking for 10 million IDR ($575) and one even asking for $1000 USD PPM, LOL. Those that fell between 2. 4 million IDR and 3. 5 million IDR I vetted with a video call, about 15 girls (damn Seeking is time consuming) because photoshop makes this a requirement. Most of the girls looked nothing like their photoshopped pictures (we're talking possible ladyboys, sickly or just plain fugly) but 6 of the girls passed the video call test, so less than 10% of the original. When I have a choice, my preference is a pretty little spinner with a decent rack in their 20's, but who among us hasn't picked up a 3 or 4 or even a fatty (for the BJ) when not paying.

I set up 4 dates and planned to take a girl or two on vacation with me to Yogyakarta and Labuan Bajo. I stayed at Movenpick, which was a nice enough hotel next to Emporium and close to Classics, and girl friendly as far as I could tell. Their pastries are not that good by the way, but the bar for edible pastries in Indonesia is very low, across four 5 star hotel and resorts, I didn't find a single edible croissant.

My first scheduled SB date was with "Dh" at a nice Indonesian restaurant Plataran Menteng in town, her request. "Dh" was 27 year old, pretty enough, 5'1" and 100 lbs and spoke English. Confirmed the meet the day before while traveling, morning of and as I was leaving the hotel 30 min before. On the Grab ride to the restaurant, 10 minutes before arrival, she bailed saying her father died. Fail. I ate alone at the fine dining restaurant. Thank god for Classics and back up plans, as I headed straight there next.

If you want to follow chronological, please see my Jakarta post Thank god for Classics and back up plans next.

I juggled dates with SB candidates in the morning. After some back and forth, I agreed to meet "Ca" at Henshin, her pictures looked good and she passed the video chat test a couple of weeks ago. High end restaurants in Indonesia label a lot of beef Wagyu, I call bullshit, they charge about $10 per serving in Jakarta and it taste nothing like real Wagyu, way too chewy, little flavor, not nearly fatty enough and way too cheap.

The original agreed upon price was 3.5 million IDR ($201.38 USD) to meet "Ca", but in the afternoon after some flip flopping, I agreed to up the gift to 5 million IDR ($287.69 USD) for a LT overnight in hopes of making sure she showed up after the incident with "Dh". I soon regretted it.

She showed up in a white form fitting dress. 22 year old university student, 5'1" and maybe 100 lbs. Unfortunately, I missed the heavy use of face filter apps in the video call (stupid augmented reality filter technology bullshit), so I was a bit disappointed at the meeting. Her face looked nothing like the her pics or the video call. Long black hair, big Indonesian eyes, flat Asian nose, full lips, heavily made up with significant acne and acne scarring, face with make up was a 5. At least her body was still a nice hot pear shape with smooth light skin, tiny waist with some hips and ass (unfortunately with slight cellulite) and be cups, fully shaved down below. Body score was an 8 as I'm a sucker for a tiny waist. Combined visual score around a 6.5. At least she spoke English conversationally.

Back at the hotel, we started with DFK and showered together but nothing but touching chests and backs. In bed, at least the BBBJ was excellent. Honestly, really good, as good as I've had in Mexico and Brazil, which is saying a lot. She really knew how to suck and lick and did not forget to spend time on my balls. After a long BBBJ, she nervously ask about a condom and seemed ecstatic when I said yes, so I assume BBFS was on the table if I wanted. The sex overall was not great, at least she was really tight, but she barely got any excursion in cowgirl, just kind of sat on top and barely wiggled, so I had to do all the work. So I went to work as a smashing machine: miss, spoon, doggie and prone where at least I got to really enjoy her tight pussy in front of the mirror in the room (the only reason to really get the Executive Room at Movenpick). We kept at for like a while, she asked me to choke her, but I declined, not my thing. It felt good inside her due to her tightness, even though she was mostly a starfish, until her pussy dried out with the condom and I could tell I was literally hurting her, so we stopped. She decided to return to cowgirl with spit, but we had no lube and she was pretty dry. I let her return to BBBJ, no rinse and she asked me not to finish in her mouth, face or hair, really, whatever. Finally, she finished me with a HJ while biting my nipple. Even though we had agreed that she would spend the entire night and provide morning sex for the 5 million IDR, she asked to leave and I let her. Overall service was a 5, good DFK, excellent BBBJ, sex wasn't great, but at least her lower mileage pussy was nice and tight. I'm pretty sure Classics girls are very high mileage in comparison to SBs on seeking. Total costs 5 million IDR ($287.69 USD).

Ratings: Face with make up = 5, Body = 8, Attitude = 4, Service = 5.

I met up with "J" at Cecilia's Bar for food (more fake Wagyu beef) and cocktails. Another 22 year old university student from Bandung. The original agreed upon price was $150 USD (she was OK with foreign currency, thank god because paying SBs all in IDR would have required lugging around a fucking suitcase full of their bills). To ensure she showed up, I upped the gift to $200 the day before because I didn't have $50 bills and wanted to incentivize her showing up. She showed up in a black pant suit with frills. Another super skinny spinner with a rack. Even though she didn't look much like her pictures or the video call due to the use of those augmented reality video face filter apps, at least she was still actually pretty. Medium length black hair, beautiful soft tan skin head to toe, big Indonesian eyes, thick luscious lips and a lot less make up without the need to hide acne and acne scarring. Face score was a 7 with make up and 7 without make up in full daylight. 5'1" and probably less than 80 lbs, big be cups with dark areola, nipples that were easy to get to stand at attention with the slightest arousal, another tiny waist I could almost wrap my hands around, perfect tiny ass and fully shaved down below. Actually she was so thin, I could basically wrap one hand around her neck as she was another girl that asked for choking and this time I obliged. Another Janice Griffith body only a bit skinnier. Body score was a 10 for me. Overall visual score 8.5.

"J" was a very flirty handsy girl, not afraid of touching and petting at the table at the nearly empty restaurant. English was not as good as advertised, so why not as I'm probably never showing up at this bar again. Back at the hotel, superb DFK, a quick shower, then into bed for more DFK and excellent BBBJ with plenty of ball licking, sucking and even proper use of teeth. She asked about a condom and I pulled one out. Then we went at it, sex in one of the tightest pussy's I've ever had the pleasure of penetrating. Multiple positions and variations: miss with legs up, legs spread and legs together, cowgirl, variations on scissoring, until eventually the condom started to dry out. We took a break and ordered strawberry lube from Alfamart through Grab (102, 700 IDR or $5.90). While we waited, she took off the condom and went back to giving me a BBBJ. Once Grab called, I had to put on cloths and go all the way downstairs and out to the street to pick up the lube only to discover that the Alfamart was literally across the street from the hotel, LOL. Lube in hand, cloths off and back at it, going through the same positions and several more such as prone and spoon. I could feel her get wetter and wetter as we went at it like animals (the lube became unnecessary) until we were both just knackered and collapsed from exhaustion. We cuddled, petted and finally went down to sleep naked. In the middle of the night, she comes over for a nice naked cuddle, I get hard, she asks about a condom, I put one on and I move into penetration in spoon. Spoon was followed by more intertwining positions and general good times until we were tired again and back to sleep until morning. I woke up with morning wood, but she had to get to class, so a short HJ was all I got before showering. Overall performance was a 9 for the LT overnight, great DFK, great BBBJ, very tight pussy, almost unlimited fucking, would have been a 10 if she just skipped class and serviced my morning wood. Where are the priorities with girls these days?

"J" performance was good enough that I decided to cancel my 4th SB date last minute. A 27 year old that was pretty pissed about it, not the first time a potential SBs been mad at me, so I'm getting use to it. Instead, I decided to WhatsApp "A" from Classics to see if her performance would improved for some day game before work, hoping she would be less tired. If you want to follow chronological, please see my Jakarta post Classics Girl Day Game next.

Ratings: Face with make up = 7, Body = 10, Attitude = 10, Service = 9.

I contacted "J" via WhatsApp, she was surprised thinking I didn't like her because she didn't speak English well, I used a condom and I didn't cum (side of effect of low dosing tadalafil) like she said she did multiple times. She offered a couple of her friends for a date, sending me pictures and everything, before I explained I wanted to see her and take her on my trip. I agreed to meet her and her friend at Skye Bar anyway, and I'm pretty sure a threesome was on the table if I wanted. "J" showed up in tight jeans and a blouse. Her friend came in a little white dress with a low cut top showing off her ample cleavage. Friend "T" was a 23 year old recent university grad looking for work. A little thick, nice tan skin with big tits, big hips and big bunda, probably 5'2" and 130 lbs. Quite pretty, although she looked nothing like the filtered photoshopped pictures "J" sent, and she spoke excellent English. I bought the girls a nice dinner and drinks with a rooftop view. We were out late and I was actually thankful when they wanted to go home instead of coming back to my hotel. I was tired and a bit sore after smashing "J" multiple times the night before and "A" for the extra long session in the afternoon. Condoms are rough on the johnson and the thought of a threesome was not that appealing at that specific moment. I agreed to meet "J" tomorrow night alone as I needed to book her flights so she could join me on my trip. If you want to follow chronological, please see my Jakarta post Classics Girl Day Game 2 next.

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;3067236]Elvis, you were one of the members that got me using Seeking years back. I was wondering if using an American number on Whatsapp gets you worse results than using a Colombian number. I'm still in the US and been back on the site for a week. You think I'd be better off waiting until next week when I have a Colombian number? I don't remember there being much difference in the past.

They'll figure out I'm a gringo eventually, of course. But maybe the opening offer would be lower.[/QUOTE]I had hundreds of responses and never thought about the phone number.

I would not really reach out until you are ready to leave. It is fine to look, but I would not send messages until at least 2 days before you are ready to leave. The women have short attention spans. A lot of women who reached out to me may have gotten cold feet or things happened in their lives.

Occasionally, I will look at the updates section of whatsapp and see how many of the women have kids or husbands now. It blows me away.

Looking back on it, in 2021, it was what 5000 COP to the dollar and so many women were laid off or just bored or strung out by the pandemic. The back half of 2020 and 2021 may have been the most fun I had in my life. Unless we see a massive recession, I do not think things will ever be that good again.