FKK Artemis - Berlin

Today was the first day of a two day visit to Artemis. When I arrived I discovered that it is to become a one day visit, as I must travel to Warsaw tomorrow. Armed only with Jeans and t's, I must also find some time to go shopping in the morning.

I arrived at midday, and the place was very quiet. Management has finally started to invest in some new robes, although I was presented with an old one. The second piece of news is that I seem to have dropped a shoe size, which I found very disconcerting.

Anyhow, it turned out to be a decent day of sport, although all with familiar faces. I was approached by Zoey early on, but too soon for me to partake. I regret that a little, as I had resolved to man-up and try one of the pro's. I didn't see her again all day.

I sessioned with Nina (2 hrs), Gabrielle (Poland, 30 minutes), Fatima (1 HR). I had not seen Nina for four or five months, and it took us a little while to warm up. However, I love to spend time with her, and was delighted to see her. She informed me that the girls no longer get paid for Champagne sales. Not my scene, but she did tell me that a friend of hers had never sold any champagne in nine years, until she worked through three bottles of Dom Pom on the first day that this new rule began. Seemed a bit harsh.

Gabrielle is sweet, but somehow we don't quite hit it off, hence the quick session. The session with Fatima was fabulous; a very nice end to the day. She was also very helpful with my shopping needs!

Food was awful. Something pretending to be chicken. Or maybe it was pork? Who knows.

I'm sad to be missing tomorrow, but must try harder next visit to pick some new faces. I was struck again at how friendly all the girls were after a rejection. Very different from my experiences in Frankfurt.

[QUOTE=FMoreau;1632298]Anyone knows if she's back?

I'm planning a quick visit to Berlin next week.

Thanks[/QUOTE]She should be back soon, at least that's what she said. I'm also up next week.

Kimino.

Does anyone know if the following girls are still found in artemis. Charlie, megan, de. Hannah pol. Stunning twins? Will be back in December 15/12-22/12/ salut.

[QUOTE=Diplomat;1632095]Annika has left Artemis a long time ago, Nika and Lulu will most likely not come back neither so there are no 'Abdul' tattoo girls at Artemis right now. If anyone knows another one with this tattoo in the club right now then please correct me.[/QUOTE]True, I talked with them last week at Palace where they work now.

PS: I am also considering going to Artemis next week, but it will probably be early and/or mid week.

Going to Artemis tomorrow Wednesday, really looking forward to it!

Hoping to meet Nina and Fatima, as they have gotten very nice reviews on here.

Anyone care to give me a hint on how to find them, as I only have pics from Artemis' website to help me?

Would be fun to meet up with some of the forumers, if anyone is interested.

Planning on arriving at about 2 pm, staying as late as I want to.

[QUOTE=Nr71;1632595]Hoping to meet Nina and Fatima, ...
Anyone care to give me a hint on how to find them, ...[/QUOTE]Fatima: Slim, fit, A cups, dark hair. One of the very few girls there with some pubic hair (landing strip). Usually starts early in the day, not likely to be seen late at night. Can sometimes be seen downstairs, in the "relax" area.

BTW, has Marketa (CZ) been spotted recently?

[QUOTE=Nr71;1632595]Going to Artemis tomorrow Wednesday, really looking forward to it!

Hoping to meet Nina and Fatima, as they have gotten very nice reviews on here.

Anyone care to give me a hint on how to find them, as I only have pics from Artemis' website to help me?

Would be fun to meet up with some of the forumers, if anyone is interested.

Planning on arriving at about 2 pm, staying as late as I want to.[/QUOTE]Nina is the one without any teeth. She left them in my shoulder yesterday.

[QUOTE=Nr71;1632595]Going to Artemis tomorrow Wednesday, really looking forward to it!

Hoping to meet Nina and Fatima, as they have gotten very nice reviews on here.

Anyone care to give me a hint on how to find them, as I only have pics from Artemis' website to help me?

Would be fun to meet up with some of the forumers, if anyone is interested.

Planning on arriving at about 2 pm, staying as late as I want to.[/QUOTE]Nina always smiling.

She has a white band on the right leg.

Good luck.

Nina has long, wavey hair and a rose and thorns tattoo on her lower back.

[QUOTE=Frozty;1632645]Nina is the one without any teeth. She left them in my shoulder yesterday.[/QUOTE]Did I Start Something? Maybe, my fascination for vampires is beginning to rub off on fellow huntsmen?

Ray

How do you pick a girl? Just sheer hotness? Well I think anybody who has visited FKKs knows how important it is to sit and chat with her for a while to make sure there is a bit of chemistry.

But lately it's not enough. Too many scammers. Too many girls who are great at making the sale, then drop a personality bomb once you get into the room. Switchgirls. At Artemis in particular it's become a more and more refined technique.

There is one way you can know the truth about a girl. It's amazingly simple and costs zero Euros. Just look at the face of the last guy who went with her.

This game is *all* about observation. For a long time I've watched the guys coming down the stairs. Is a guy chatting merrily with the girl? Is she hugging him, or trailing coldly behind him? How many guys look as if they're coming from a funeral, and how many look as if they're coming from a blowjob? About 3:1 is the ratio I say. A real eye opener if you take the trouble. It seems the average uninformed tourist doesn't stand much of a chance. But if you are reading this, and you know how to find the right 20-30% of girls, it's not so bad. I've had a great deal of success with this strategy.

To observe the right things, it's necessary to filter out irrelevant information. Things I don't bother to observe: what a cheerful personality the girl has at the bar. How nice she is flirting with the guy as they go up the stairs. That's all just noise. Everybody's a darling *before* the sale. What matters is what they look like coming *down* the stairs.

Once you start seeing that, once you get beyond just looking at a girl's boobs and flashy smile, it is amazing how the matrix of possibilities shifts. Many attractive glittering girls fade into the background. You see how you narrowly avoided a terrible fate, and wonder how you could have been so stupid. Meanwhile, there are other girls that you had somehow quite overlooked, and now you look closer, and you see a girl might not have a ton of makeup on, but still be very doable indeed with a slim tight 20-year old body and a cute face. And you realize all the other guys are somehow overlooking that girl just the way you were, and that is the opening for you to make your move.

If you talk to the typical Berliner, the impression is that Artemis is purely and simply a tourist trap, and anybody wanting good sex should stick to his girlfriend or travel out to one of the FKKs out in the provinces. That view, in my opinion, is too simplistic. There *are* some excellent ladies at Artemis. It just seems like getting to them sometimes is like finding a needle in a haystack. But a long time ago, I stopped blacklisting girls in my head (angry emotion), and started whitelisting them (emotion of discovery). This is the attitude that wins.

One thing you will notice after a while, if you follow the observational strategy I have outlined, is that most of the girls who are giving guys a good time are *new* girls. A little background to make it clear? In Artemis, there is a hard core of girls, predominantly German, who have been embedded there for years, who all talk with each other, and who fundamentally don't like men. They have settled on a set of specific practices designed to give customers horrible antiseptic sexual experiences: I call it antisex. The clique doesn't want real competition, so when a new girl arrives, they will try and make her conform to their rules. Often this is a girl who just wants to do a good job, have a nice time with a guy, and go home with a bit of extra money to fund her studies or whatever. I have had some great sessions with a lot of these new girls, then seen how confused they are after the gang gets to them. Should she give the customer a good time or a bad time? Often what happens is that the girl will try to follow the gang rules, realize how she is making her own job one long sequence of unhappy experiences, give up under the stress, and go back to a friendlier FKK. So the key is to find those girls before they are driven away, and maybe give them a bit of hope.

And yes, I know this post will be leapt on savagely by the usual agents on this thread, but I really don't care. Why not? Because this post isn't actually intended for those two or three people at all. It's intended for the tens of thousands of innocent grazing mongers, many of them about to visit Berlin, wondering how to have a good time at the only real FKK in town without getting ripped off, and trying to see past the blur of misinformation. That is who this post is aimed at.

Limey, excellent post. Sounds like you know what is up as your post don't sound biased to the particular club. Lots of technical info layed out that if followed, will reap benefits statistically. There will still be that small percentage that will be outliers to what you have said. Not every man will act all jolly or conversing with girls as they are coming out, and this will not mean absolute bad session. What is most certain is if a girl storms much ahead or the man, likely something went wrong there. Also, full 30 min service would most likely mean the girl is not cheating time or providing the man the honest time by staying til the end.

Atremis is not for everybody, it is indeed draws the professional crowd of girls although I have ran into the less experienced new girls there. It's not my first choice in terms of service as I know many other places that I can run into girls that easily provide the the level of service I seek with high in optiks. I have noticed, that those that attend Artemis look into Palace in Frakfurt which is the worst club in terms of services.

I have a pretty high success rate not because of following what you have outlined, but choice in the clubs I attend and the girls I choose. Most times I have pretty good inkling who to go for. I don't look for girls in the reports, and I still have high service success rate. It partially has to do with chemistry, but if you attend more professional clubs like Art, chances of such chemistry is slim to none, and those pro analyzing skills are much needed.

[QUOTE=TheLimey;1633596]And yes, I know this post will be leapt on savagely by the usual agents on this thread, but I really don't care. Why not? Because this post isn't actually intended for those two or three people at all. It's intended for the tens of thousands of innocent grazing mongers, many of them about to visit Berlin, wondering how to have a good time at the only real FKK in town without getting ripped off, and trying to see past the blur of misinformation. That is who this post is aimed at.[/QUOTE]No, your post is absolutely true. There is nothing worse than a cynical, sharky rip-off session to make you feel like crap instead of having fun.

Another clue is whether the girl is willing to kiss you on the lips on the couch or at the bar. For whatever reason the sharks tend not to do this. I guess they think they should be paid extra for that.

[QUOTE=TheLimey;1633596]How do you pick a girl? [/QUOTE]Ciao The Limey, nice reading this. The down-the-stairs, post session, face expression and gestures are very revealing and also fun to watch actually. As everything, has to be taken as just one extra indicator.

I choose a girl because I find her sexy, period. After that, I try to understand if it could be a good choice or not. I never interview girls before a session, at the max I ask if they have a laundry list of no nos. I know it's something most of the veterans will not agree with, but it's just the way I do it. And this makes your question even more interesting.

I agree with the whitelisting approach instead of the blacklisting one, I generally look for the good signals to choose a girl and not for the bad ones to drop her. But what are the good signals and what are the bad ones? And we are obviously talking just of the girls you don't already know.

A smile is a good signal. Accepting a few refusals and still being friendly is one. Not insisting is a good one. Not even proposing yourself is one. Big boobs, small boobs, piercings, no pierccings, blonde, red, tall, slim, that's all taste things and so very personal.

Other things that can influence my choice are: How a girl walks around. Is she in production mode? Is she relaxed? Who is she hanging around with? If she is in a group, what kind of expression she / they have when a customer refuses one of them or when one in the group gets a customer?

An obviously important thing to note is timing. Is the girl doing long sessions, 60 min or more? Does it look like she is staying in the room 12 minutes every time?

Probably much more than this but I'll think about it and try to keep track of this next time I'm up. Very very soon. LOL.

Kimino.

[QUOTE=TheLimey;1633596]How to choose a girl?[/QUOTE]Limey, an interesting read. I agree with most of what you say, but am not so sure about the observation regarding the walk downstairs. This, I think, can depend on the man. It is probably my least favourite part of the FKK experience. I am very happy speaking with the girls, rejecting or accepting, walking round the club, appearing naked, paying the girl, etc. , but I don't like the "walk of shame", even with my favourite girls. This is usually more to do with my personality than my experience with the girl. There is no logic to this feeling, but it is how I feel.

What works for me is to go with the flow. I expect bad sessions, and I accept that it is sometimes my fault, sometimes the girl, poor chemistry, bad day, the environment, whatever. It can't always be the girl, or she would not make sufficient money to stay there. I can also escape at 60 euros. I find it hard not to feel like I have got 60 euros of value. I enjoy the investigation. If I don't enjoy the meal, I don't dine again at the same restaurant. I don't often regret the experience. There is only one session at Artemis where I have felt 'robbed' and that was a case of egregious upselling. A girl constantly requesting that I shove my cock in her ass so that she can earn another 100 euros doesn't do it for me. In that way I am old-fashioned. The girl in question still approaches me every time she sees me, and we laugh about the fact that it was the worst session of my punting life. She has taken it as a challenge to have me try again. One day I will, just to see what happens.

I agree with the new girl thing. I am not at the club regularly enough to know, but I do find myself avoiding the girls who are part of the large groups. I assume the (in) famous "GSG".

To me, FKK is outstanding value for money. To escape real life for a day is a pleasure (and there is nothing wrong with my real life). In part, it is because I can visit as often as I like. I am only in the UK, and my time is very flexible. Those travelling long distances, and using vacation time, are probably under more pressure to enjoy every session. It is a much bigger financial and emotional investment. My other options are a 200 gbp / HR london escort. Historically, more often a miss than a hit. I have not visited with an escort since my first visit to Artemis.

I have strayed from the topic. In the main, I think that I am a good judge of character. Body language is an important indicator, of which observing the walk down the stairs is certainly a part of the equation. However, I focus more on the the body language of the girl, than that of the man. Does she respect the man? The more times that I visit, the fewer bad sessions that I have; no doubt partly due to repeat sessions with tested girls, but also down to experience, and observing of how the girl behaves with her customers, and with other girls. I also take an interest in how the girls are with the support staff, including the masseurs. If they are friendly and respectful with them, it is safe to assume that they will be friendly with me also.