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Numbers are so tiny for a pandemic.
There's 300 million people in the U.S. and I think about 100 million in Mexico.
Do the math not that many sick or dead really.
Last year almost 40 thousand people die of regular flu in the U.S. I think the news media is making this flu bigger than what really is.
Of course no one wants to get sick, so I personally I'm staying out of action for a while until things return to normal.
[QUOTE=HornyTraveler]Numbers are so tiny for a pandemic.
There's 300 million people in the U.S. and I think about 100 million in Mexico.
Do the math not that many sick or dead really.
Last year almost 40 thousand people die of regular flu in the U.S. I think the news media is making this flu bigger than what really is.
Of course no one wants to get sick, so I personally I'm staying out of action for a while until things return to normal.[/QUOTE]
It is the direction in case reporting that define "Pandemic Stages" not the actual number of cases. It is being reported today the H1A1 Type A is a mild virus in USA.
Dear All,
I have not been to Adelitas Bar in a year. It was once an amazing place to go. My friends and I want to go later this month and pull an all nighter. A few of us are concerned with the increase in violence and crime in Tijuana.
Can someone who has recently been to the Big A advise of the following:
1. Is it safe to catch a taxi ride at the border and then back, without fear of getting robbed or kidnapped?
2. Once in Adelitas Bar, is it safe to hang out there and use the neighboring hotel?
3. Are there as many girls at Adelitas Bar as in the past, and are they as good as in the past?
4. Is it safe to go to strip clubs on Revolution Street, without fear of getting robbed or kidnapped?
It would be greatly appreciated if anyone can give me some advise.
Thank you,
Sweetjacker
[QUOTE]My friends and I want to go later this month and pull an all nighter. A few of us are concerned with the increase in violence and crime in Tijuana.[/QUOTE]The sensational crime that has received so much media coverage is occurring far from the Zona Norte, and is almost entirely drug-related. If you are not part of the narcotrafficante scene you have nothing to fear. It is perfect safe to take a taxi from the border to the Zona and back. It is also perfectly safe to patronize the Adelita Bar, the Chicago Club, and the Hong Kong Club. Indeed, walking from the Adelita Bar to the Hong Kong Club is even safer than it used to be now that the Hong Kong Club has added a second entrance on the same street as the Adelita Bar. (No more walking around the corner to the alley.)
As for the selection of girls, that waxes and wanes depending on a variety of factors. Others can jump in here, but my sense is that there are slightly fewer girls working these days, but the decline is so small it's hard to notice. On the other hand, the slow U.S. economy (and lately the flu scare) have combined to DRASTICALLY decrease the number of guys visiting the Zona these days. So in my view it's a buyer's market. By that I mean the ratio of girls to guys is quite favorable, and if you've got money to spend you can easily get a hot girl to go upstairs for a good price.
Bunky
[QUOTE=Sweetjacker]Dear All,
I have not been to Adelitas Bar in a year. It was once an amazing place to go. My friends and I want to go later this month and pull an all nighter. A few of us are concerned with the increase in violence and crime in Tijuana.
Can someone who has recently been to the Big A advise of the following:
1. Is it safe to catch a taxi ride at the border and then back, without fear of getting robbed or kidnapped?
2. Once in Adelitas Bar, is it safe to hang out there and use the neighboring hotel?
3. Are there as many girls at Adelitas Bar as in the past, and are they as good as in the past?
4. Is it safe to go to strip clubs on Revolution Street, without fear of getting robbed or kidnapped?
It would be greatly appreciated if anyone can give me some advise.
Thank you,
Sweetjacker[/QUOTE]1). This is the only "safe"way.
2). Yes, avoid walking south on Constitution or Ninos Heros, these are essentially the limits of the zona. These are the up the the hill streets avoid dark areas at all costs hile in the zona. Also north of Coajuila past the Leyva Hotel should be avoided.
3) Yes, unless you have an adversion to silicone.
4) I would not go to the clubs on Revolution unless, that was the original destination I had in mind, and I would stay there, but be careful. NEVER walk from the zona to Revolution. The area between is a no mans land. The only way to get around: border to zona or other areas is by taxi, look for the red and white taxis.
[QUOTE=Bowline]1). This is the only "safe"way.
2). Yes, avoid walking south on Constitution or Ninos Heros, these are essentially the limits of the zona. These are the up the the hill streets avoid dark areas at all costs hile in the zona. Also north of Coajuila past the Leyva Hotel should be avoided.
3) Yes, unless you have an adversion to silicone.
4) I would not go to the clubs on Revolution unless, that was the original destination I had in mind, and I would stay there, but be careful. NEVER walk from the zona to Revolution. The area between is a no mans land. The only way to get around: border to zona or other areas is by taxi, look for the red and white taxis.[/QUOTE]
I want to confirm the above.
Revolution is NOT the place it used to be at night. The clubs that ARE open are separated by long walks of darkness, you don't want to be walking on Revolution at night.
If you want to go to a club, take a cab. Do not walk.
Look: The rateros are out. They are the ones you need to watch out for. You don't need to be looking at every Mexican as though they are about to rob you. The economy here sucks too. Less handouts, fewer opportunities make for a nervous situation when rico gringo struts his stuff down Revolution at night.
Re-read the above post.
Be safe and be nice
Country John
[QUOTE=Country John]I want to confirm the above.
Revolution is NOT the place it used to be at night. The clubs that ARE open are separated by long walks of darkness, you don't want to be walking on Revolution at night.
If you want to go to a club, take a cab. Do not walk.
Look: The rateros are out. They are the ones you need to watch out for. You don't need to be looking at every Mexican as though they are about to rob you. The economy here sucks too. Less handouts, fewer opportunities make for a nervous situation when rico gringo struts his stuff down Revolution at night.
Re-read the above post.
Be safe and be nice
Country John[/QUOTE]
Let me politely disagree about Revu.
I'm not sure when they were installed, but Revu now has street lights, along the sidewalk, on both sides of the street, from, roughly, the Nelson, south to maybe 7th or 8th street. Revu is VERY will lit at night, and not nearly as dark and creepy as it used to be, with very dark areas. The lights don't extend all the way to Las Pulgas, but stop a blocks or two short. Sorry for the vagueness.
In other words, going from club to club along Revu (excepting Amnesia and KoKo Bongo, or whatever it is, which are way south) should present no problems. The area is no longer the black pit it once was.
I, personally, would have no problem walking from the zona to Revu, up Constitucion. I have many times. However, why you would want to is another matter. :)
If you want to go from Revu to the zona, and don't want to go across Articulo 123, cut over to Constitucion on, say, 2nd street. Then go down Constitucion to Coahuila.
All that being said, I have not been out lately past around midnight - 1:00am. I can't speak for anything that may happen at 3 or 4 in the AM. But, AFAIK, there is nothing happening anymore on Revu at that hour. The days of all-night parties seem to be long gone.
Walking from Revo to the Zona is not a big deal nor is it very unsafe. And I think it's a waste of money to take a cab from Revolucion to the Zona as it's a relatively small distance.
I do recommend avoid taking Revolucion going north until you reach Coahuila as that part of Revolucion is usually empty. I've taken it many times during the day and it is very safe but less so at night. The best and quick way to get to the Zona from Revo is the path shown on the map below. This road is usually filled with other people walking the streets and should be safer. Actually most of Av constitucion has twice the amount of people walking the streets and is an even safer detour to reach the Zona.
Basically avoid going North of the Arc or North of Coahuila St(that's the street where AB is located). Also avoid going out of the Zona. Just half a block outside of the Zona in any direction and things start to look pretty scary. Sadly Purple Rain is a few blocks north of Coahuila and reaching there by foot is definitely scary at night.
I concur with Efjayel and Phordphan. It is possible to walk from the main turista strip on Avenida Revolucion to the Zona Norte safely. This walk is not for the novice, and it's important to have a good understanding of the geography so you don't get lost and wander around looking like a victim. If you aren't sure you can do that, just take a taxi. Even if you end up paying the outrageous flat rate, the peace of mind is worth $5.
I respectfully differ with the routes recommended so far. If you are starting from Av. Rev. near, say, 7th or 8th Streets I think the best route is to walk one block west to Av. Constitucion, and then walk north to the zona. This street is well lighted and well traveled at night and if you're street smart the walk is OK.
It does get a little sketchy as you come down the hill near Articulo 123. Here you need to walk in the street, facing traffic and keeping your head on a swivel. Again, not for the faint of heart. But not a suicide mission either.
Bunky
You're right. Avenida Constitucion is the safer route. I originally said Niņos Heroes. I changed it.
Constitucion is usually crowded with locals like any regular city main street. Apparently the locals don't care much for the tourist strip and remain on Constitucion from what I've noticed. Also less police on Constitucion. The police are less likely to stop you on Revolucion(tourist strip) compared to being in the Zona but even less so on Constitucion since it's more a route for locals.
Well I want to respectfully disagree with everyone except myself (what else is new.....).
Seriously folks. Walking revo at night is bad business for the inexperienced. Alley rats like Phordphan would have no trouoble because they have a reasonable expectation of what direction the hit will come from and he knows what to avoid, what to look out for etc.
For the noobie or greenie, stay off Revo at night except by cab. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Country John
I just read in the San Diego newspaper that 4 US citizens were killed in Tijuana a couple of nights ago. 2 men and 2 women. All under 23 years of age. The newspaper report stated that they went to party for the night in Tijuana and got murdered.
Do you fellas still think its safe to go to the Zona to party on a late Saturday night? Let me know.
[QUOTE=Sweetjacker]I just read in the San Diego newspaper that 4 US citizens were killed in Tijuana a couple of nights ago. 2 men and 2 women. All under 23 years of age. The newspaper report stated that they went to party for the night in Tijuana and got murdered.
Do you fellas still think its safe to go to the Zona to party on a late Saturday night? Let me know.[/QUOTE]Exactly where were they at and what were they doing? If they were messing with the drug boys then... Hey!.. You play you pay.
They, being couples, were most likely not mongers of the zona.
Like any big city. Tijuana can be dangerous. It all comes down to where you're at, when you're there and what you are involved in while there.
You have a couple young men trying to impress two women, things often get out of control. Anywhere!
Yes it's still safe.
I just saw this on the news. they where strangled, bound, gagged and stabbed to death. One of the bodies tested positive for cocaine.
The catch was that the relatives admitted those kids had connections with drug cartels. So unless you're there doing drug deals or looking for drugs, I doubt you have anything to worry about.
You should be safe as long as you have no dealings with anything drug related. These killings were not a random act, but they were done in a very brutal manner.
"The bodies were described as having been tortured; bludgeoned, beaten and with their skulls crushed. They were found wrapped in blankets early Saturday morning, according to a news release from the Tijuana State Attorney's Office". The girls were 19 and 20 years old, one news report said that the girls had 6" long knife cuts to their faces. You can imagine what else happened to them in the 36 hours from the time they went to Tijuana on Thursday night until they were found on Saturday morning, because the van they were dumped in was dripping blood.
[url]http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Four-San-Diegans-Found-Murdered-in-Tijuana/8SUFa4eDgk-FybFhtKRbcw.cspx[/url]
[url]http://www.10news.com/news/19466337/detail.html[/url]
If you go to TJ, be careful who you deal with, those four young adults made a mistake by hanging out with the wrong people, and they didn't see this coming.
RG.