Monterrey

2000 pesos?

Oy vey. Do I get to bring my dog?

USB, are you still coming into town this week? If so, let's meet up at Pasaralas.

MJ,

Man, you've got that travel cost thing right...that's for sure :-) I don't have a leg to stand on if you factor that one into the mix.

And, you're right about getting from point A (2000 pesos) to point B (1000 pesos) in the clubs. I have to admit that.

And preferences are indeed subjective...so, I have to agree there too.

It's just that I am highly suspect of recommendations when I hear suggestions that a newbie visitor attend clubs like Poisson in lieu of all the other options in Monterrey that are considerably less expensive and offer just as good if not better quality of experience.

It just reminds me too much of the taxi drivers line to the unsuspecting Gringos that blow into town, newbies to the slaughter, suggestions made with one purpose in mind...commissions and personal profitability at the expense of the visiting monger.

You would understand what I mean if you could see the price structure with respect to Poisson. So, my former comments were probably a little harsh, but made with purest of intentions, and with the newbie visitor's best interests at heart.

Remember, I too once spent 5000 pesos at Poission...Knowing what I know now, I could never in good conscience recommend such things without first issuing a very detailed disclosure to the poor unsuspecting newbie visitor.

And with respect to Misses, I am a little less passionate there, simply because as you mentioned, preferences are subjective, and I have personally toured their facility. It was nice...

But, all in all, my heart bleeds for guys that are seemingly being lead to the slaughter by recommendations that are seemingly motivated with an eye possibly toward personal profitability rather than a sense of obligation to benevolent guidance of the poor mongering hords.

If I am wrong, I sincerly, and humbly, apologize for the making such innuendo without any direct evidence. I don't mean any malice by it, but have only the purest of motives, seeking only to guide visitors to Monterrey to the best of my ability, and help them avoid being potentially ripped-off in comparison to other choices they could just as easily be making.


[QUOTE=Mill Just]This brings up an interesting debate that I've been having with my mongering buddies: Strip Club with "benefits" vs straight-up casa de citas.

Whether it be in Monterrey or Morelia, while you may be getting FS with the chica for 1000 pesos, you also have to factor in drinks, privadas, your consumption, transportation costs, etc. However, in the casas de citas, you basically just pay for your time with the chica and other consumption, while encouraged, is not a must.

IMHO, its just about the same when it comes to the price you pay. It's just about personal preferences. Do you like the loud music and social atmosphere of the strip clubs or do you just want to get in and get out in a more relaxed atmosphere? I like 'em both...because when it comes to horny Mexicanas, It's all good....

Mill[/QUOTE]

I don't like MPs at all.
I know them all, but I don't use them. I don't like the girls, I don't like the style, I don't like the dynimics of the business.
I like a girl that will sit with me and chat, have a drink and let me judge what I can further do with her.
Only with club girls can you take a relation to a next level, even if it is a paying level.
With an MP girl you'll always have the same cold, distant treatment, no matter if the service is worth 200 pesos or 2000 pesos.

In MJ's case, he knows the MP business better than me and granting his experince with the MP girls I can say that he's one of the few that truely knows how to squeeze his money's worth out of them.



[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]MJ,

Man, you've got that travel cost thing right...that's for sure :-) I don't have a leg to stand on if you factor that one into the mix.

And, you're right about getting from point A (2000 pesos) to point B (1000 pesos) in the clubs. I have to admit that.

And preferences are indeed subjective...so, I have to agree there too.

It's just that I am highly suspect of recommendations when I hear suggestions that a newbie visitor attend clubs like Poisson in lieu of all the other options in Monterrey that are considerably less expensive and offer just as good if not better quality of experience.

It just reminds me too much of the taxi drivers line to the unsuspecting Gringos that blow into town, newbies to the slaughter, suggestions made with one purpose in mind...commissions and personal profitability at the expense of the visiting monger.

You would understand what I mean if you could see the price structure with respect to Poisson. So, my former comments were probably a little harsh, but made with purest of intentions, and with the newbie visitor's best interests at heart.

Remember, I too once spent 5000 pesos at Poission...Knowing what I know now, I could never in good conscience recommend such things without first issuing a very detailed disclosure to the poor unsuspecting newbie visitor.

And with respect to Misses, I am a little less passionate there, simply because as you mentioned, preferences are subjective, and I have personally toured their facility. It was nice...

But, all in all, my heart bleeds for guys that are seemingly being lead to the slaughter by recommendations that are seemingly motivated with an eye possibly toward personal profitability rather than a sense of obligation to benevolent guidance of the poor mongering hords.

If I am wrong, I sincerly, and humbly, apologize for the making such innuendo without any direct evidence. I don't mean any malice by it, but have only the purest of motives, seeking only to guide visitors to Monterrey to the best of my ability, and help them avoid being potentially ripped-off in comparison to other choices they could just as easily be making.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, the MPs have never really appealed to me for the same reasons. And, it isn't because I haven't tried giving them every opportunity. I have tried all of the high end places in Monterrey, all with the exception of Misses, where I merely toured their facility. But, even when I toured their facility, there was in fact, only one girl available at that time. She was pretty decent looking, but nothing special in comparison to what is routinely available in the clubs.

I toured the Misses facility with a friend. The friend was interested in partaking in their services and began inquiring as to the cost, etc...We both got the distinct impression that he was going to end up paying through the nose for extras that would normally be part of the package were he to go to even one of the medium or lower end massage parlors, and especially so were he to pay for a salida from the clubs, which would have cost him only 1350 pesos for 1.5 hours. He was going to go with the girl at Misses, but he abruptly decided against it because of the way things were presented to him in comparison to what he already knew was otherwise available in other venues in Monterrey.

And, of course, if he wanted to merely find a girl for salida from the clubs, and dispense with the interview process that we normally go through in the clubs, it not being really an important element to his style, it is very simple to take a girl out of the clubs on salida without spending anything on drinks or anything else.

Truth is, if one is only interested in taking a girl out of the clubs without the interviewing process that MJ refers to, which is akin to making a selection in a massage parlor setting, mostly based soley on appearance, then there is very little difference in the risk factor of taking a girl from the clubs with NO investment versus partaking in massage parlor selection. There are so many girls in the clubs that will go with a guy just for the prospect of making the money on salida. They jump at the chance, and it would not require you to spend a dime on them in the privados or buying drinks. I don't like that method of selection, but it is quite easily doable.

If I were a monger in that category, in leiu of spending the money on a high end massage parlor, I would maybe buy the girl a 50 pesos drink, sit with her for 20 minutes, chat her up a little, and off we go. It is very easily done with no investment per se, or with a minimal investment of only 50 to 100 pesos, maybe a drink, and possibly a privado for insurance. Even I have, on occassion, taken a new girl into the privados in the clubs, 50 pesos, stayed no more than two dances, just to "pop the question," and away we go...maybe five to eight minutes in the privados or over a drink.

Here's how is goes...

USB: "Hace salidas, mi angel???" (Do you go out?)
Girl: "Si" (yes)
USB: "Cuanto Cuesta" (How Much?)
Girl: "1000 pesos para mi, y 350 (700) pesos para el bar."
($100US for me, and $35 for the bar)
USB: "Cuanto Horas?" (How much time?)
Girl: "1.5 Horas" (1-1/2 hours)
USB: "NO TANGO DINERO MI AMOR!!!-Que Tal 600 pesos??? :-))))."
(I don't have money my love...How about $60US?)
Girl: "800 pesos para mi, pero necisita pagar 350 pesos a el bar???"
($80US for me, but you have to pay the bar $35US)
USB: "Estoy muy pobre Gringo, mi amor-700 pesos esta bien???"
(I am a very poor Gringo my love...is $70US ok?)
Girl: long hesitation....then "ok...(eyes rolling...etc...)"
USB: "Se Dice Cuatro Horas mi corazon???" :D
(Did you say 4 hours my heart???)
Girl: "Dos Horas USB <:-/"
(2 hours...with a slight,but playful smirk)
USB: "No Entiendo mucho 'spanol mi amor- Se Dice Cinco Horas???" :D :D
(I don't understand much Spanish my love-Did you say 5 hours???)
Girl: "No puedo, mi cabron :-(((("
(I can't my SOB)
USB: "OK, 2.5 Horas...Si, mi angel???"
(Ok, 2.5 hours...ok, my angel?)
Girl: "si..."
(Yes)
USB "esta bien...vamos??"
(that's fine, lets go)

It's that easy...it takes only four minutes, and we are out of there.

But, of course, they usualy only stay for 1.5-2 hours after sometimes promising the moon. It all just depends on the bar they work at, and whether management requires them back ON TIME. But, many of the girls will stay much, much longer with the MJ investment plan discussed earlier. And, with the investment plan, the cost is usually reduced on repeats, unless you are a bar girl enrolled in the "USB Benevolency Fund," a foundation established to "help" my most beloved providers out of friendship and adoration, in which case I usually give them at least 1000 pesos, cookies, skittles, chocolate, beer, vino, hand-made beautiful bracelets, ice cream sandwiches, dinner at Chilis, Movies, Shopping, and various other sundry enticements...anything else I can think of ;-).

And, even at that, making a minimal interviewing investment, you would come away from the deal having spent less, or maybe about equal if you take them out of the medium priced bars, probably for a superior experience, if not superior because of cost savings alone, then certainly with respect to the amount of time allotted on salida versus within the massage parlor setting.

I don't like connecting with girls without first having a "relationship" established, and making at least a cursory examination of their personality traits. But, I can totally understand guys that are making selections from the medium to lower end MPs because they can have a session for 200-400 pesos and leave relatively satsified. It's when the massage experience begins to cost the same as a club girl that I sense potentially diminished returns.

I know many guys like the services of the MPs, but I can only see it if the cost factor is the motivator, or if in the off chance that you find an absolute hotty that is a diamond in the rough, an extremely rare occurence in the medium and lower end MPs. If the cost of visiting a high end massage parlor setting is akin to the cost of making a selection from the clubs, as is the case in the Casa setting or from the high end massage parlors, then I see very little advantage to the high end MPs over club girls.

I have especially "wished" I could get into the medium to lower end massage parlors myself...mainly because, if I were sufficiently satisfied, I could significantly reduce my costs. I mean, MJ is right...I spend money on the interview process, which escalates the cost in the long run.

But, then again, I spend $800-900US just to get to Monterrey, $550 to American Airlines, and probably $300-$400 on the hotel, so I see the overall quality of the experience as a sizeable "investment." But, still, even in the long run, my overall costs in comparison to "my world" here in the US are still cheap, and with a quality of experience that surpasses anything I might find available here in my part of the US, service that is typcially priced at $300 or more for a one hour session with a girl of equal quality.


[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]I don't like MPs at all.
I know them all, but I don't use them. I don't like the girls, I don't like the style, I don't like the dynimics of the business.
I like a girl that will sit with me and chat, have a drink and let me judge what I can further do with her.
Only with club girls can you take a relation to a next level, even if it is a paying level.
With an MP girl you'll always have the same cold, distant treatment, no matter if the service is worth 200 pesos or 2000 pesos.

In MJ's case, he knows the MP business better than me and granting his experince with the MP girls I can say that he's one of the few that truely knows how to squeeze his money's worth out of them.[/QUOTE]

I have said many times that Monterrey is NOT a mongering destination. Nobody on this board has ever represented Monterrey to be a stellar mongering destination. It is simply a legitimate city with relatively good mongering opportunities. But, it can be as good as anywhere else. It depends on your experience level, your pocket book, and your willingness to do the work.

Representations about Monterrey from the regular visitors that post here all the time, and their expressed enjoyment of the Monterrey venue, have much more to do with the comradre between we regular mongers on the ground, and playing that off against the backdrop of a strip club oriented environment, than with Monterrey being a particularly stellar mongering destination per se.

AS A NEWBIE TO MONTERRY, YOUR ENJOYMENT of MONTERREY MAY, and PROBABLY WILL, DIRECTLY CORRELATE WITH FOSTERING AND MAINTAINING MONGERING RELATIONSHIPS WITH GUYS THAT REGULARLY VISIT MONTERREY. It is the comradre between those of us that regularly post here that makes you believe we are touting Monterrey as a Worldclass venue when we are simply reporting our enjoyment of the venue within our frame of reference.

Those of us that return regularly to Monterrey continue to do so because we enjoy the comradre, and through our helping each other, have attained the ability to thoroughly enjoy the venue, but not because it is an exceptional mongering venue on the surface. Mongers that choose instead to be loners, unless they possess significant prior experience in Monterrey, will experience just exactly what you reported. Don't misunderstand, I do NOT say that to criticize guys that like to go it alone. I say it to simply illustrate why those of us that seemingly love the Monterrey venue, love it so much. We aren't reporting that the venue is that great in Worldclass terms, but we are reporting that our enjoyment of the venue is Worldclass.

Much of our enjoyment is a result of our networking publicly in the clubs, a result of our own developed level of notoriety as a group of regulars, one that serves us well to establish a wide selection of willing girls. Our group escapades serves us well in establishing an aire of acceptability and trust among the selection of girls that exists in the clubs. That is key in the procurement of HOT assed girls. It serves to cut our own level of effort significantly if the girls recognize us as harmless, and safe, regulars that they can capitalize on. It also serves to encourage them to deliver exceptional sessions because they know we will return relatively regularly to consider them for future business.

THE KEY TO THIS WHOLE THING IS NETWORKING ON THE GROUND. It is necessary in Monterrey for exceptional experiences, and it is absolutely necessary compared to what is otherwise required in the more notorious venues of the World. That, or you must LIVE in Monterrey. No amount of advice here in the forum will adequately prepare you to experience the full measure of what Monterrey can be.

I don't know what your strip club experience is, but Monterrey has some of the very best strip clubs in the World, bar none. However, be prepared to pay the freight. You really didn't frequent the high-end strip clubs according to your report, and that is where their quality of selection is most impressive, as is their escalated cost. However, El Infinito, on a good night, has quality every bit as good as the best strip club you have ever attended. I don't recommend the high end strip clubs because of cost and the scamming that goes on to a much greater degree than you experienced in El Infinito. But, bar none, the high end strip clubs of Monterrey are world class. With respect to El Infinito...you simply missed out on the true quality of their selection...that is a shame. But, if you believed your were scammed at El Infinito, you have not experienced a truly Worldclass strip club. That's why we like to refer guys to El Infinito. Because they are fleeced signficantly less.

And, frankly, my recommendations about how to avoid some of what you described as a fleecing, is described in detail within the Monterrey section, many numerous times. If you had asked, I would have reiterated it to you with pleasure.

I have also said many times that if you are new to the Monterrey venue, and you have experience in other Worldwide venues, you will very likely be relatively unimpressed or possibly disappointed. I believe those were my exact words to you.

It's not because Monterrey lacks anything compared to other Worldwide venues, but it is because the experience requires significantly more work than most mongers are used to. It is my number one complaint about Monterrey, but I also realize that I have had some of the best experiences of my life in Monterrey, and that is comparing it to the more notorious venues of the World, such as the PI, Pattaya, Bangkok, Jakarta, Batam, Singapore, Colmbia, etc...It is more a matter of lacking the experience on the ground that interfers with your ability to enjoy yourself to the fullest with the same ease as one finds in Asia for example. You simply have to generally pay more, and work much harder, to achieve the same kinds of results.

The fact that you admitted to having allowed yourself to be nickeled and dimed in the privados is surprising if you also have experience in venues such as Mexico City. I would expect that scenario to be prevelent in all Mexican venues, certainly in Monterrey where the population is over 4 million people, certainly in the border towns, TJ, and Mexico City. Monterrey is no different than other Mexican venues if you limit yourself to in-club activities and are unable to cultivate relationships with your favorite girls so you can take them out of that club environment for unbridled fun.

Except for your assessment of the quality of selection available in the massage parlors, your experience is almost verbatum what I would expect a newbie visitor would experience from a week in Monterrey without significant experience thinking outside the proverbial mongerer's box, and investing significantly more time, energy, and money.

I will reiterate for those that are contemplating a trip to Monterrey. My own personal experience visiting Monterrey each and every month for five years proves to me, unequivically, without any doubt whatsoever, that the selection of girls in the massage parlors is absolutely, positively, nowhere near what you will find in the strip clubs. If you found some decent girls in the massage parlors, ones that you could honestly stack up against the strip club girls, it was indeed a once in a "blue moon" situation. Consider yourself totally blessed to find them. You should have been playing the lottery those nights.

Where you made your mistake, and what cost you with respect to your own lack of enjoyment, IMHO, has more to do with you limiting yourself to only partaking in activities within the clubs. If in-club activities are your only opportunity for enjoyment, I can fully understand your being disappointed compared to venues where you are more familiar, or compared to notorious venues like Thailand and the PI where I could monger deaf, dumb, and blindfolded.

You were obviously impressed with the massage parlors, and because of your assessments of the MPs, perhaps I need to give that an umteenth look. But, I also know from five years of experience on the ground in Monterrey that timing is everything, especially with respect to the selection found in the massage parlors. Consider yourself lucky with respect to finding a good selection at the massage parlors. Because, just as you found some good chicas in the massage parlors during your week in town, if you visit those same massage parlors next week, you would very likely find only ugly gordas and be totally disappointed.

I know WastedG and Mr. L visited Monterrey the week before you arrived, and they reported via email to me that the strip clubs, and El Infinito specifically, seemed possibly a little off with respect to selection. Many of the regular lookers that are usually in attendance in El Infinito, they reported, were nowhere to be found. So, perhaps you just hit a bad week...I have found that same result myself on a number of occassions.

The difference between us is that I have other options, and I know of other places to look. But, the bottom line is, if the selection is poor in one club, you have to be willing to canvas them all to find out where the action really is that night. Many guys, especially our ages, simply do not have the energy for that kind of search, myself included. But, make NO mistake, the selection is usually there unless there are sports games on TV or some other issues effecting attendence in the clubs.

We have regularly reported that the best nights of the week in Monterrey with respect to selection are Wednesday through Saturday. In all fairness to your assessment, you were only in town two of the best nights of the week for selection. Those of us that have extensive time on the ground in Monterrey have our other options already scoped-out and lined-up for our visits. Most of us do not partake in activities in the clubs too much, with the exception of Carlos, mainly because he is a local, and his personal circumstances limit other salida oriented activities, and not necessarily because he prefers to avoid salidas.



[QUOTE=Mastermind]Ok, just got back from my 6 day trip to Monterrey. Overall, I was happy with my experiences there but I was disapointed with a few things.[/QUOTE]

Am going to place my neck in a noose with this post:
I don't know who moderates this thread but stating the following, considering Masterminds report as material for "Reports of Distinction thread." is a total misrepresentation of what can be found or not found in Monterrey.

Just as USB says, Monterrey is not a mongering city, it is a city with an incredible amount of clubs that are populated by locals and you need to know the way around them to get the best of them.

Mastermind went to the battlefield without a rifle.... we did tell him that Monterrey is not TJ nor SEA.





[QUOTE=Mastermind]Ok, just got back from my 6 day trip to Monterrey. Overall, I was happy with my experiences there but I was disapointed with a few things.

First night: I got into Monterrey late because of flight details. I was so tired after hotel check-in, but I decided to try and salvage at least one pop for my first night. I went per recommendations on the board to El Infinito. I was a tad disaponited with the selection of chicas. Many were nice, a few were hot and many were fat and/or ugly. The bad things was that the hot ones and the decent ones had swarms of men around them and it was nearly impossible to get their attention. Many fugly ones gave me the eye, but none were even worth considering. So I spent my first night in Monterrey at a dive club trying to get some decent girl to give me some attention. One of the bartender guys brought me over a decent girl but she was distracted and only willing to sit with me for a few minutes before guzzling her drink and leaving like the wind after I hesitated in buying her another. I went back to the hotel to sleep my horniness away. Summary of my first night: Frustrating and about 300 pesos spent to be frustrated.

Second day: After doing some work stuff I went on the prowl in the early afternoon. I decided to try my luck at the massage parlors. I went to Signore on Villagomez. Inside I saw 4 girls total, 2 worth doing. I picked a short brunette names Alexa. Service was very good overall. 300 pesos for FS and 100 pesos more for BBBJCIM. Well, it was more like BBBJC on the side of mouth as she pulled away at the last minute. Still very good.

In the night I went back to Infinito to give it another try. Maybe I was just jetlagged from the night before and feeling frustrated. I had a slightly better experience, but still wasn't overly impressed with the quality of chicas. I had FS with a lovely flaquita in the privadas. 400 pesos plus 50 pesos per song . I was upset that my girl spent the first song talking to me and half of the second dancing out of hands reach. When we started the FS we were already well into the second song. Total cost of the FS in the very uncomfortable privada area: 400+ 5 songs= 650 pesos. Add in two drinks for my chica and my beer and I spent almost 900 pesos (plus the tips I was asked for from almost everybody). Still I got laid and left happy.

Afterwards, I left for the other clubs in the area. I went to Matehuela and El Cielo. I ws intrigued by Cielo as something that might be good, but I didn't have any chicas in either place. I just had a beer and went back to my hotel. Truth is I didn't find anything to my liking.

Third day: I decided to search out more massage parlors after having the good experience at Signore. I went to Faraonas (sp?) . Very impressed with one of the girls there. She was almost dangerously young but I was assured she was of age. Her name was Ana and a very cute morena with some strecth marks on her belly, but all in all very attractive. Got FS for 200. I tried to get other acts from her but she was only into basic service. Good, though.

At night I did a grand tour of the other strip clubs in Monterrey. I went to Pasarelas, Poisson, Harem and another nearby Harem that I can;t recall. I spent a short while in each and they were nice and the chicas were better than at Infinito and Cielo, but the prices were obscene and I just felt I was getting hustled. I left for the night at about 3am without getting any service from a chica.

Fourth Day: Had to work all day and didn't have time to explore.

Fifth Day. I went around back to the massage parlors Faraonas and Signore and got a FS from each over the course of 4 hours. Set me back a total of 500 pesos when the other night I had spent about 1000 pesos just going from club to club and not getting laid once.

Sixth and last full Day: With the savings from not getting fleeced again at the strip clubs, I decided to splurge and go to Misses. I was floored with just how cute all the girls were. And then I was floored by the cost. Doing the math in my head, 250 for the massage and 2000 for the girl, I would be out 2,250 for FS. I said what the heck and took my savings from not going to the strip clubs and chose a hot guera named Alejandra. Her service was great and just having that hard, young body next to me made me almost go crazy.

After a nice meal, I went back to Signore to see what was available. It was late so the selections wasn't great, but I chose a short and chubby girl with a cute face. 300 pesos for the half hour and 100 extra for a tittie fuck to orgasm.

Very late, near closing time I went back to Infinito to try for one last pop before going back to the states. I found a flaquita with a gorgeous body, but a Mr. Ed Face. After one chica drink we agreed to go back to the privadas for a BJ. She insisted on condom but we came to an arrangement. I offered her an extra 200 pesos to let me shoot near her without a condom. I have to admit I cheated a little and overshot my mark, squirting her on the cheek and earlobe. Ooops hehe. Not bad for an old man. All in all it cost me 550 with songs included.

My last day was by far my best.

Summary:

Monterrey is a pretty decent city for mongering but hardly the paradise the so many reports here would suggest. The strip clubs were just ok, about what you would expect from any strip club in a mexican city.

I think the strip club scene in Monterrey is very deceptive because on the surface the prices seem a lot cheaper, but man oh man do they try to nickel and dime you to death! At the end of the night you spend more money this way than if you went to clip joint in Mexico City. The whole sex in the privados thing is a real scam in that the meter is running all the while your girl tries to drag out the FS or BJ. At the end of the screw you end up paying more than you would pay at most other strip clubs in Mexico for comparable service. However if money is no object and you want to listen to music and watch girls,by all means go to the strip clubs. As for me, I can take them or leave them.

The real thing for Monterrey to brag about is the massage parlor scene. Good prices and good service are very available at the MPs, but you will have to wade through some ugly porkies before finding your princess. I had gone to quite a few other MPs that weren't even good enough to make me recall their names, but Signore and Faraonas provided pretty chicas who gave good service at a very good price. I know massage girls come and go, but I can't see the quality falling that badly to the point of not being worth a visit. Misses was very expensive but the girls were HOT.

I think that its a bit of a disservice to the readers here to steer everybody away from the MPs and into the strip clubs because what really makes the city a worthwhile mongering destinations is the availability of good sex at a low price at the Mps. The strip clubs are decent, but not great- I have seen better clubs at more reasonable prices in other Mexican venues. Maybe Im bitter about being nickel and dimed to death by the girls or maybe I'm still reeling from the 3000 peso for the girl and 1000 pesos for the house salida I was "offered" at Poisson. Whatever the case, to not go to the MPs in Monterrey would be a mistake when you come to visit.

I know, personally what may make me come back to Monterrey will be the massage girls and not "just another Mexican strip club."

[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size][/QUOTE]

From MasterMind . . .

" The real thing for Monterrey to brag about is the massage parlor scene. Good prices and good service are very available at the MPs, but you will have to wade through some ugly porkies before finding your princess. I had gone to quite a few other MPs that weren't even good enough to make me recall their names, but Signore and Faraonas provided pretty chicas who gave good service at a very good price.

. . . I think that its a bit of a disservice to the readers here to steer everybody away from the MPs and into the strip clubs because what really makes the city a worthwhile mongering destinations is the availability of good sex at a low price at the MPs."

MasterMind is spot on with his comments. Again, this is his opinion and it is very well stated. Different strokes for different folks.

But why do you (Carlos,USB) feel the need to put down someone else's well written opinion? . . . "Ya' know...things are becoming abundantly clear...What better way to pave the way for profitability oriented commentary within the forum than by attempting to discredit, and hopefully remove, guys that have over 500 posts each"

Have you lost your mind?? No one is trying to "remove" you - except for Jackson. The "we know what is correct" BS is what turns off other posters with valuble info. Please stop attacking/ disrespecting other members with differing tastes and opinions. This guy wrote a great post. Documents what he did - both good and bad. There is nothing "fishy" there at all.

Dude, back away from the keyboard and give it a rest . . .

Prokofiev: For me, an MP anywhere in Mexico is an MP.
No difference between one and another, no matter the city, no matter the town.
The girls are indistinct from one place to another.
No personality, no special way to distinguish one from another girl.

Let me tell you, I might not do MPs, I might not like them, but that doesn't mean Iam not up to date with them.
I don't know if you are aware that Iam own a local Monterrey Yahoo Group and my members opt for many things, one of them being MPs.
So once in a while, supposedly being the guy that knows everything, I have to taste the waters so I know what Iam talking about.
I walk the Inifinto MC area and I know every single MP in the area. I have detailed maps done by me with all the MPs in the mid dowtown Monterrey area.

You sir, let me quote one of your posts from March: "I doubt you can find a real massage after 10pm or 24/7 anywhere in the world much less Monterrey. You can always go to a place like Signore and tell them what you want and that you'll tip well. Tell the girls 500 pesos for 45 minutes -up front and someone will take you up on it. They wont do a great job, nor will they like it. Real massage is hard work plus the girls have no training. Laying on your back and getting drilled, not so hard. But it is an option."

Let me see, just by reading the post I can read between the lines, even if I hate MPs, that Prokofiev is a guy that knows his way around MPs.

Mastermind said on his first post that he knew his way around SEA an TJ... he comes to Montrrey and he can't find anything and leaves unsatisfied.

Come on Prokofiev... Me, I know YOU are good.

Mastermind... with all due respect, if he found out the SC scene was bad, he should have posted a 911 call and me, even if I dont like MPs, I would have been glad to help him out... how about you Prokofiev, with your local experience???

I guess even you could have posted some advice during his 6 day tenure, not just right now tonight.

Like for example on March you posted the Signore and Passion webpages. You could have reposted them.
If he gave us a signal that things weren't like he liked them, I could have posted Marcellas at [url]www.pompis.com[/url] or maybe even the high class [url]www.misses.com.mx[/url].
I could have pointed out the Intenzzo, Duality, Playboys, Millenium, Sensaciones and several new ones that have opend after you last stop over here.
The MPs on the outer downtown area, like Versace, Status, Horoscope, Deborah's, Safari, Novospa... tons of them.

Many options, but no calls for aid.... I mean, hands are tied when they could have been helping out.
And with pleasure.....







[QUOTE=Prokofiev]From MasterMind . . .

" The real thing for Monterrey to brag about is the massage parlor scene. Good prices and good service are very available at the MPs, but you will have to wade through some ugly porkies before finding your princess. I had gone to quite a few other MPs that weren't even good enough to make me recall their names, but Signore and Faraonas provided pretty chicas who gave good service at a very good price.

. . . I think that its a bit of a disservice to the readers here to steer everybody away from the MPs and into the strip clubs because what really makes the city a worthwhile mongering destinations is the availability of good sex at a low price at the MPs."

MasterMind is spot on with his comments. Again, this is his opinion and it is very well stated. Different strokes for different folks.

But why do you (Carlos,USB) feel the need to put down someone else's well written opinion? . . . "Ya' know...things are becoming abundantly clear...What better way to pave the way for profitability oriented commentary within the forum than by attempting to discredit, and hopefully remove, guys that have over 500 posts each"

Have you lost your mind?? No one is trying to "remove" you - except for Jackson. The "we know what is correct" BS is what turns off other posters with valuble info. Please stop attacking/ disrespecting other members with differing tastes and opinions. This guy wrote a great post. Documents what he did - both good and bad. There is nothing "fishy" there at all.

Dude, back away from the keyboard and give it a rest . . .[/QUOTE]

" . . . he comes to Monterrey and he can't find anything and leaves unsatisfied"

Thats NOT what he posted. He had some good experiences and some bad. He DID go to Misses . . . and Faraonas and Signore. No need to continue to re-post all that info. It's already in the ROD area. And I can't remember ANYONE who has gone to Signore and reported they had a bad time. Great bang for the buck.

But you guys simply can't accept anyone else's opinion. And you then put-down anyone who reports otherwise. I have been to all the places MasterMind posted about and I have more or less the exact same opinion. Infinito and the other mid-priced clubs are very loud, dark and not very comfortable in the privados. You end up spending way more than necessary. Some girls are cute - others not so. The best looking girls I have seen in Monterrey were at Misses. And I have had a couple of great ladies at Signore for 200-300MP.

But I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. And I realize that tastes vary. Just quit insulting other posters and their experiences. This forum is NOT just about you . . .

suggesting that the "club girls crowd," has been somehow misleading other visitors with our comments is what sparked the flame to begin with.

our reports and comments are simply our own experiences and opinions, and not intended to advocate our preference for the strip clubs over the massage parlors, door girls, streetwalkers, etc...

monterrey has some good massage parlors, and there are many to choose from. but, to actually post the suggestion, or a mistaken conclusion, that the "quality of selection," on the whole, is superior to the clubs is misleading and untrue.

mastermind's exact words were no less inflamatory...and i quote, "i think that its a bit of a disservice to the readers here to steer everybody away from the mps and into the strip clubs."

making the accusation that "we" are somehow perpetrating a disservice is not what i consider amiable commentary, even though i initially ignored his crass comment with my first response. perhaps his was just an innocent poor choice of words so i overlooked it.

but, somehow, his familiarity with our past recommendations, an apparent newbie with (4) posts, one that articulates his disatisfaction with a certain element of "familiar frustration" over the content of our recommendations, leads me to believe his accusations were based more on some kind of history, and "fruedianly" revealing as to his possibly being of otherwise clandestined origins within the community.

my initial comments with respect to the validity of his conclusions are certainly no more inflamatory than his own words, suggesting that the commentary of the guys that prefer the strip clubs over the massage parlors is somehow perpetrating a disservice.

we can tolerate other opinions, but we do not have to agree with them provided we articulate our opionions according to the rules of the board, which we have done.

i certainly did not refer to mastermind as "the wicked witch," or refer to him as "gay," as has been done to me, or cast any direct personal aspersions by name calling, not even within my more harshly worded comments, which i have removed just so others do not misconstrue the intent of my comments.

i do believe his comments are either made from preconceived notions, innocently mistaken, or purposefully contrived for a larger purpose.

actually, i thoroughly enjoyed reading his post until i got to the end, and i actually agreed with some of what he had to say. but, i just got the distinct feeling after reading his post that it was not consistent with what i know to be the case in mty with respect to selection. that made it seem fishy.

unfortunately, the events that have transpired here the last few months have me believing that there is an alterior motive to the reports and commentary of some, especially those with newbie posting history.

when i read reports that contain discrepencies, mistakes, and sometimes direct attempts to lead mongers astray, those conclusions are based on my own extensive experience in the monterrey venue.

what should i do? just sit idoly by and permit those conclusions to prevail without politely commenting on my position? the readers of the forum are intellegent enough to consider the totality of the comments within the forum and to draw their own conclusions.

there is seemingly an apparently strong desire for some to promote the massage scene on the board. i realize some like the massage scene. fine, no problem...then report on it. i don't frequent the massage scene because i have found those experiences to be just the opposite to what some represent the massage venue to be. my opinion...no big deal. but, don't expect us to report on a scene that we do not like. it is up to you guys to report your experiences on that scene. we will not disagree if your conclusions have a hint of validity.

so, say whatever you want about your experiences in the massage parlors, but don't misrepresent them to be more than they typically are. but, if you begin to criticize the conclusions i might have with respect to comparing what is available otherwise, then we are going to agree to disagree...no big deal.

but, to misrepresent what one is typically likely to find in the massage parlors with respect to quality of selection compared to the thousands of club girls in mty is simply incorrect, and totally misleading. that is where i will stipulate my comments in polite rebuttal.

with respect to misses...sure, selection there may be comparable to the best of the selection in the clubs, but the cost is actually quite a bit higher than the club girls. to post that the quality of selection of misses is superior to the probably thousands of girls to select from in the clubs is totally incredible, and logically, it hints at an alternatve purpose, one other than to provide solid advice out of a benevolent concern for other mongers.

i know..."it's a simple solution," we can create a massage parlor section on the board, similar to the usb section, the nibu section, etc...and that will "solve everything." we can confine one another to our respective camps so we can all get along. the massage parlor crowd can post their perspective there, and the club girls crowd can post in their own section. then, we can leave the mty board to do what it almost always does otherwise, sit idoly by with no commentary.

really, in the big scheme of things...our comments here don't really matter too much to any of us do they? the commentary serves to guide us in our larger purpose, which is to fully experience monterrey, no matter what our personal preferences might be, massage or club girls.

the opposing commentary gives the reader a fuller, better informed base from which to draw conclusions about the mty venue prior to making a trip. if freedom of speech made with corduality is intimidating, then perhaps we should be living in china, where there is real intimidation at expressing one's opinions.

i think perhaps we all take ourselves just a little too seriously. peace...

Let's end this. Some of us like strip clubs and others like massage parlors. Some of us may like to spend $500 a day and others can only do $50. Nothing wrong with that.

And ..... if someone likes a particular place, so be it. I am sure if I go to a resturant and order fish , because that's what I like to 'eat', I don't expect anyone to tell me that I made the wrong choice and I should've ordered the steak, right? I can only tell how good something tastes. If someone disagrees, order something else.

Open mind is the key.

Wasted

Yes, Porkofiev, you are right, he did mention Misses.

Why did I missed that part? I don't know... maybe Mastermind's post lacked the sincerity of a guy honestly looking for fun.
And I insist, didn't sound like a guy with 25 years of experience at TJ and SEA...

Prokofiev, you don't need a 200 IQ to do well at MPs.
Here in Monterrey, you only need the afternoon paper El Sol and nothing else. You don't even need a map.
Or do you need a method and a rule book?




[QUOTE=Prokofiev]" . . . he comes to Monterrey and he can't find anything and leaves unsatisfied"

Thats NOT what he posted. He had some good experiences and some bad. He DID go to Misses . . . and Faraonas and Signore. No need to continue to re-post all that info. It's already in the ROD area. And I can't remember ANYONE who has gone to Signore and reported they had a bad time. Great bang for the buck.

But you guys simply can't accept anyone else's opinion. And you then put-down anyone who reports otherwise. I have been to all the places MasterMind posted about and I have more or less the exact same opinion. Infinito and the other mid-priced clubs are very loud, dark and not very comfortable in the privados. You end up spending way more than necessary. Some girls are cute - others not so. The best looking girls I have seen in Monterrey were at Misses. And I have had a couple of great ladies at Signore for 200-300MP.

But I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. And I realize that tastes vary. Just quit insulting other posters and their experiences. This forum is NOT just about you . . .[/QUOTE]

Let me end this once and for all on my behalf.

I will openly post here that on my account I will never ever contradict a poster on his local routine if his preference are the MP's and I will help him if needed.

The other way around: I will be expecting respect for us that enjoy and love the Monterrey strip club scene cause you MP users openly hate it and indirectly in your posts you denote it.

It is not my fault that being SC regulars make us like a fraternity and an MP user makes you more like an independent entity.

No more to be said... you guys can post between yourselves and I mean it, if a guy comes to the Monterrey thread and asks for help on the MP scene, it's up to you Monterrey MP mongers to help him out, not to mantain absolute silence.

Am not sticking my fork in your business for you guys anymore unless asked for.

Mastemind Says:

"So are you saying that more expensive means better service?"

Ok, now...you asked "me" several questions, made several comments directed squarely at me for commentary, right? Ok, I will answer herein. Please don't report me to Jackson and claim that my comments were unsolicited.

To answer your question...

No, absolutely NOT. What I said was that the strip clubs offer a better quality of selection with respect to appearance, personality, and GFE potential.

The "quality" of selection, meaning personality and appearance, are unequivically better from the strip clubs than from the massage parlors, on a percentages per capita basis. Because the girls personally earn more in the strip clubs, a lot more, earnings that directly correlate with their overall abilities to sell, unless of course, they graduate to the Misses category. The strip club girls, just like the Misses girls, earn more for a reason, they have more of what it takes to earn the higher amounts of money.

They MUST have the looks, the skill, and the appearance to last. If they don't have all three they are history. Most of the girls working the lower and middle level massage parlors do not have the ability on all three fronts to keep a position on the club circuit. They do not typically still have the bodies because most of them are just slightly over their prime, nor do they like talking to customers, hence less charming personalities. They simply don't possess the skills and attributes required to last in the club environment.

With respect to comparing other countries to Monterrey, I have often said there is no comparison. To compare other countries to Monterrey is apples and oranges, except to say that the better strip clubs, the high end clubs, are world class in Monterrey. You did not visit those...they are, agreeable too damned expensive.

With respect to our frequenting the lower end clubs, it is for economics sake, which we have stated numerous times. We have great success there. I don't push you into trying them if you like MPs, or say you are crazy for partaking in the MPs...not at all. I just merely stated that your accusation that we only promote our preferred clubs is unfair and incorrect. I don't doubt your visit fell on a bad night in the clubs...It happens to all of us. But, that doesn't negate five years of my visiting Monterrey on a monthly basis and being familiar with the selection that is typically in the clubs versus what is routinely available in the massage parlors.

We only report on the venue we enjoy. I have no reason to post experiences in MPs because I have chosen, through prior experience with them, to avoid them. All I have to report is my experience in the clubs, because that is what I enjoy attending. If that seems like we are promoting certain clubs, well...it would mean we are promoting the least expensive clubs in town...not a likely profitability motivator were we on the pad.

I think it's a shame that you were disappointed by El Infinito. It doesn't change my perspective about El Infinito, that it is probably the best bang for the buck in strip clubs. But, I have to admit, I might just give the MPs another try because of the content of your recent post. Rest assured, if I find you were correct in your assessments, I am man enough to report back that I've been totally mistaken after all these years and countless endeavors to give the MPs the opportunity to satisfy my base urges.

I routinely get strip club girls to my hotel room for 500 pesos for two hours. MJ was correct when he said that it requires an initial investment to achieve that. That is pretty close to the cost you're experiencing in the MPs, right? So, we are spending about the same with respect to the actual act itself, except I am getting sometimes twice to ten times the amount of time. But, the pre-investment that MillJust referred to accounts for my added time. I have done the math, and I think the expenditures have been worth it. I know that in comparison to my cost here in the States for the same quality of experience it is definitely cheaper in Monterrey, all things considered, travel included.

But, I can also unequivically state that if it is GFE you desire, which is obviously not your preference, then the strip club girls offer the best potential for success in that area. I fully understand and respect your logic that you're sick of being manipulated by the strip club girls...but, I am intrigued and entertained by them. Oh, sure occassionally they [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off too. Just take a look at some of my recent posts last month...my crying about them not being worth a shit. But, generally, I am more satisfied with the strip club experience than I would ever hope to be in the MPs, I think.

The MP experience has no prospect for producing a GFE experience. You can call me gullible and sappy if you wish, due to my preference for GFE, and as a result of my posting overly dramatic and lengthy reports. But, I don't call you cold because you prefer mechanical release in an MP environment.

That is the difference between us. I comment on the content of your reports, without making personal insults against you as a person through name calling. My comments are directly related to your conclusions about the Monterrey venue and no more. Fact is, were you to lose your hatred of me, we could probably meet and enjoy an MP or strip club or two. Isn't that what this is all about?

With respect to cost, there really is no way in which to compare the lower and medium level MPs with the strip clubs. The MPs are unequivically the least expensive bang for the buck....well, no, the least expensive is probably the street girls on Reforma. We have even had some reports here with respect to those girls. To each his own...really, I do not mean that as a slam. But, I would not travel to Monterrey for that kind of experience...just my personal preference.

With regard to the long lost MP trip reports you refer to, we mostly have the long lost, but probably ever present, Porker, to thank for those. He is presently on vacation in the PI, and he wouldn't trade 10 minutes in the PI for five days in a Monterrey MP. Porker still attends the MPs in Monterrey, and almost exclusively so. But, if you ask him in person, and I have, he does so mainly because of economics, which is fine. I have no quarrel with that decision, and you have rightly stipulated having that same perspective.

With respect to my being accused of having "political" commentary. I think you mis-spoke and meant to say the I am always making Philosophical commentary with respect to mongering. I am guilty of that, certainly...and lengthy, lengthy comments...I apologize. But, we are talking apples and oranges with respect to our preferences. There is simply no skill level required to select an MP girl and to achieve release with her. There is considerable strategy associated with getting the best sessions from strip club girls. The text required to explain and discuss strategy with respect to strip clubs requires far more prolific text than to simply report the MP experience.

Perhaps my original suggestion to establish an MP section might actually prove quite useful for all concerned. I think it would very possibly solve some of the issues here. Maybe we could ask to establish a strip club section and a MP section. For my part, all are welcome, MP and strip club officionados alike. I am not threatened by disagreement. I am only hurt and disappointed at personal attacks...yet, not discouraged from posting my opinions infinitum.

I will also make the same committment that Carlos articulated, in case Jackson decides not to establish an MP section. But, you guys that have knowledge of MPs are going to have to make the commitment to contribute commentary. I have watched and waited on here, sometimes weeks on end for others to post, just to give all the opportunity to post something, if in fact my participation created an atmosphere of intimidation, which I seriously doubt. But, for some reason, NOTHING.

I have been the single poster that receives the greatest numbers of personal insults on the ISG board. It does not deter me. Don't be bashful because we voice an opinion. You will live if we comment that we disagree or that we have differing preferences and why. Just don't get personal. That IS Jackson's function to moderate the board so that our rhetoric doesn't escalate to personal insults.

Mastermind, if I was hasty in my assessment of your motives and intentions, I apologize.

I will hold back to the best of my ability while you guys discuss MPs. Add your comments about which are better and why, how much you paid, your strategy, if there is one with respect to MPs, and even your philosophy as to why the MPs are your preferred venue. Who knows, I may even ask some questions. I will be waiting for your recommendations, Prok, Mastermind, any others...because I will be in MTY next week, and I promise to check them out and report back. Won't that be fun :D

We all, myself included, need to lighten up. I thought we were trying to have fun.

MJ,

Agreed...I hereby bury the hatchet, extend the peace pipe...whatever. But, I still say, even though I would prefer that we not be all fighting so much, that it has been much more interesting here since you first posted your opinion the other day concerning the debate over the Casas versus the Strip Clubs, that after many days of boring inactivity.

You see...you started it...you sly devil you :D

Please, everyone post more...reports, comments, whatever...No one should feel intimidated. What is there to be afraid of...nothing...nothing. We will all survive our respective meaningless opinions, mine included.

I would post something relevant more often, something with more substantive information, but until I visit Monterrey again, I am without any material to post. I guess I could describe the hot girl I saw at Arby's...ok, I won't.

My point is, there simply isn't anything to post, and it's not because people are intimidated or bashful. Nobody on here is bashful, quite the contrary. I suspect it is more because they are simply NOT mongering in MTY...or, if they are mongering in MTY, they are too lazy to contribute a report and/or comments.

I will remain quiet now to allow for unfettered, previously withheld commentary to magically appear, unless directly taunted into further commentary, in which case I will not probably be able to contain myself, but I'll try.