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[QUOTE=Witchdong;1484401]Was that actually in Geelong Road or round the corner from the Rising Sun?[/QUOTE]It was in Geelong Road.

By the way, I'd be happy to put the exact address, but I was just wondering if any of the regulars could let me know whether they prefer exact addresses, or just the general area?

There has been some discussion in previous posts about the appropriateness of placing exact addresses in reviews. I personally don't have a problem with doing this and writing the exact address, and telephone number for that matter. This makes it easier for users of this forum, especially out of towners. Of course placing addresses would make it more likely that they will get shut down in the future. However the fact is, even if one gets shut down, they just go and open somewhere else anyhow. So apart from a temporary inconvenience, it's no great loss, even for the good ones. And besides it's much more likely in my opinion, that the reasons places get shut down is because they've upset one or more of their neighbours, than from ramblings in a forum like this. Nevertheless I'm happy, as someone new, to do as I'm told.

[QUOTE=Aussiegaigin; 1484203]Thanks for sharing your experience. I don't think anyone would object.

Knowing which places to avoid is as useful as knowing which ones to go to.

Often though, repeat visits to these shops bring "rewards".[/QUOTE]Thanks for your suggestion. I liked your reference to "rewards". It really does seem sometimes like a lucky-dip and for me, if not others, that's part of the fun.

[QUOTE=Meanderer;1484431]It was in Geelong Road.[/QUOTE]This place is at 120 Geelong Road. Anyone planning on visiting should take more than the usual care because along with 228 Ballarat it has been mentioned in warnings about a gonorrhea outbreak. There may have been nothing in that story or it could have been real and has been cleaned up. My only visit (incidentally also with Nancy) was prior to the STD notifications appearing but even then it was clearly evident hygiene standards were low / non-existant. One to be extremely careful about or avoid altogether. No shortage of alternatives in the area.

[QUOTE=Meanderer; 1484431]It was in Geelong Road.

By the way, I'd be happy to put the exact address, but I was just wondering if any of the regulars could let me know whether they prefer exact addresses, or just the general area?

There has been some discussion in previous posts about the appropriateness of placing exact addresses in reviews. I personally don't have a problem with doing this and writing the exact address, and telephone number for that matter. This makes it easier for users of this forum, especially out of towners. Of course placing addresses would make it more likely that they will get shut down in the future. However the fact is, even if one gets shut down, they just go and open somewhere else anyhow. So apart from a temporary inconvenience, it's no great loss, even for the good ones. And besides it's much more likely in my opinion, that the reasons places get shut down is because they've upset one or more of their neighbours, than from ramblings in a forum like this. Nevertheless I'm happy, as someone new, to do as I'm told.[/QUOTE]There's sometimes quite heated argument about it. I agree that there are other causes why places ge shut down but if you have favourites sometimes it almost impossible to track them down plus there seems to be quite a few that don't want to do the hard yards and just go the curent best. I've been to places where some girl has left and they said she got a flood of bookings from agressive guys expecting everything, got sick of it and left (probably to a different parlour). Coming back to this forum I see there has been a good write up.

I'm at the stage that if there's been a good write up, I'll avoid the place for at least a couple of weeks. Part of the fun of going to RnTs is that you don't have a guaranteed result. Go to a brothel, you get a shag, the only choices the girl gets is some of the peripheral stuff (BBBJ, anal etc). The WLs reflect that, a lot of them could be replaced by robots.

I lean to the keep it general side, it's not like there isn't much choice and sometimes you take one for the team. PMs are also a good way to avoid the floods.

I've been reading auxxxreviews lately and they mention addresses and contact numbers without any hesitation at all. In fact I think it's mandatory. So anything mentioned in ISG is really insignificant from the point of view of law enforcment.

[QUOTE=Blue Bus;1484757]I've been reading auxxxreviews lately and they mention addresses and contact numbers without any hesitation at all. In fact I think it's mandatory. So anything mentioned in ISG is really insignificant from the point of view of law enforcment.[/QUOTE]That's correct, all the addresses are available on auxxx. On Punter Planet, they have this fantasy that only PP members can work out the cryptic clues and the authorities are too dumb to be able to do so.

Still it's better than sending them to the wrong address as one well known poster genuinely did here!

[QUOTE=BogaB; 1485059]That's correct, all the addresses are available on auxxx. On Punter Planet, they have this fantasy that only PP members can work out the cryptic clues and the authorities are too dumb to be able to do so.

Still it's better than sending them to the wrong address as one well known poster genuinely did here![/QUOTE]I'm aware of multiple ML's who have either disappeared completely from the game or had to tone down their service significantly as a result of some the very specific information shared here. Personally, it's not doing me any favours when my regulars are suddenly spooked by what they read here.

[QUOTE=BogaB; 1485059]That's correct, all the addresses are available on auxxx. On Punter Planet, they have this fantasy that only PP members can work out the cryptic clues and the authorities are too dumb to be able to do so.

Still it's better than sending them to the wrong address as one well known poster genuinely did here![/QUOTE]I'm aware of multiple ML's who have either disappeared completely from the game or had to tone down their service significantly as a result of some the very specific information shared here. Personally, it's not doing me any favours when my regulars are suddenly spooked by what they read here. Keeping the reports a little cryptic is the way to go to protect the gems.

[QUOTE=FantaPants11;1485068]I'm aware of multiple ML's who have either disappeared completely from the game or had to tone down their service significantly as a result of some the very specific information shared here. Personally, it's not doing me any favours when my regulars are suddenly spooked by what they read here. Keeping the reports a little cryptic is the way to go to protect the gems.[/QUOTE]You missed my point. I am not saying that providing the name, address and telephone number of each service provider is necessarily right or wrong.

The point I was making is that it is a waste of time putting up cryptic clues or obscure references on one website when the precise information is readily available by simple switching to another. And it's equally ridiculous to think that the plods can't work out these "clues" and only punters are smart enough to do so. The authorities must be laughing at some of the cryptic stuff which is posted to try to fool them; after all, their source of information and data would be far more than anyone else's here. Cryptic clues only work if every website adheres to it and I don't see that ever happening.

Perhaps what should be kept cryptic is the precise nature of the services provided. Recently, one doofus on auxxx was bragging that he was getting BB sex at a particular RnT, with full details of both the ML and the establishment!

[QUOTE=BogaB;1485179]The point I was making is that it is a waste of time putting up cryptic clues or obscure references on one website when the precise information is readily available by simple switching to another. And it's equally ridiculous to think that the plods can't work out these "clues" and only punters are smart enough to do so. The authorities must be laughing at some of the cryptic stuff which is posted to try to fool them; after all, their source of information and data would be far more than anyone else's here. Cryptic clues only work if every website adheres to it and I don't see that ever happening.[/QUOTE]Hoo-ray. A voice of sanity!

This chestnut gets aired regularly here doesn't it?

Look if you are worried about adverse publicity to a premises / provider.

Just don't post about it whether cryptic or plain English.

Otherwise, enjoy and use this and other forums for what they are here for.

Ie our use to share and exchange useful info.

[QUOTE=FantaPants11;1485068]Keeping the reports a little cryptic is the way to go to protect the gems.[/QUOTE]No mate, the only way to "protect the gems" is for them to give it away and join another industry. Whether it's on here, another forum, a nosy neighbour or a ripped off client they will always run the risk of being exposed. They are happy to enjoy the tax free money they make but they don't want anyone to talk about them. Sorry, but it doesn't work both ways.

[QUOTE=OnlyAGame;1485539]No mate, the only way to "protect the gems" is for them to give it away and join another industry. Whether it's on here, another forum, a nosy neighbour or a ripped off client they will always run the risk of being exposed. They are happy to enjoy the tax free money they make but they don't want anyone to talk about them. Sorry, but it doesn't work both ways.[/QUOTE]Good point. Agree. Didn't think of it like that.

The Paramount Retail Centre is the nearest you will get to Bangkok's Nana Plaza in Melbourne. Six massage shops in a three store shopping plaza. All the seediness of Nana Plaza and none of the fun. It nevertheless serves a purpose, which is of course, to demonstrate beyond all reasonable doubt that if you take mongering at all seriously, you really need to go elsewhere. The Centre has two entrances, one at 108 Bourke Street and one on the other side, at 101 Little Bourke Street.

From time to time, The Paramount will appear in a newspaper article. There is supposedly a notorious brothel operating here. The place they are referring to here is the Paramount Therapy and Sauna (ph: 03 9663 6639) located on the Upper Bourke Street Level in shop 11. Newspaper reporters like to make this claim because the government department responsible for regulating brothels and sex workers is situated across the street from The Paramount and it is, if you believe what you read, yet another instance of government incompetence. You can get a spa and sauna here. You can also get a very average quality massage here. More often than not you will also be offered some overpriced extras. When I was there a while ago I received a massage from a Thai woman in her 40s. She was a friendly lady but what was provided was expensive and thankfully a quite forgettable experience. The place has no atmosphere (think florescent lights). Even if I just wanted just a spa and sauna, there are better places to go, for example, like the ones at the City Baths.

At shop 4B, on the Bourke Street Level, you could get a massage at George Wu's Chinese Medicine & Massage (ph: 03 9639 7217). This a bona fide Chinese massage and I've heard, very good quality. A one hour Tuina Anmo Massage costs $65. But who wants to be massaged by George?

At shop 19 on the Bourke Street Level, you could get a massage at Ping's Full Body Care (phone: 03 9663 1366). This place is always empty and I feel sorry for the people who work here. A one hour relaxation massage costs $50. This is part of a group of massage therapy shops. The other ones in the group are located at Abbotsford, Footscray and Richmond. According to their website,"We not provide a sexual service only" and in practice the sexual services provided are few and far between. I've had a few massages here over the past couple of years and got to know a little about the massage ladies who work here. If you became a regular then there's every possibility of being able to negotiate something extra. But it's really, really unlikely that someone who just walks off the street would be offered anything more than a good rub.

At Ease Land Massage and Therapy (ph: 03 9671 4889) you can get a relaxation massage. The cost is $75 for one hour. The address of this place is Level 1 of 107 Little Bourke Street. To access this place you need to leave the main retail centre and enter from Little Bourke Street. It's next door to the hairdressing shop,"Shine", and up the stairs. This is a non-sexual service and to my regret I have checked that this is the case. The massage lady appeared to be very proud that they use Jurlique essential oil but I couldn't really tell the difference.

At shop 7C on the Bourke Street Level you can get a massage from Japanese Massage Salon Miyabi (ph: 03 9650 0121). The cost of a Japanese Relaxation Massage at Miyabi is $75 for one hour. This also is a non-sexual service and not recommended.

It has often been remarked that an easy way to find good Chinese food is to wander down China Town and to go to the restaurants where there are many Chinese people eating. This principle can be extended from one pleasure to another. When I go for a stroll through The Paramount it is possible to see Asian men entering and leaving just one shop. I have never seen Asian men enter any of the other massage shops. It is possible that the reason that I have never seen Asian men enter these places is that just inside the doors there are signs like the one that, according to a popular myth, used to hang at the gate to Huangpu Park in Shanghai, reading "No dogs or Chinese allowed". This is a logical possibility but since I have been inside the doors of these shops and not seen any such signs, then the only possible explanation is that Chinese men are not fools with their money and they take an appropriate level of care to ensure that they get as much bang for their bucks. I am providing the name and address of this establishment with some reluctance because it is, in my humble opinion, one of the very best massage shops in the whole of Melbourne. While I accept that to be the best in a place like Melbourne is no great claim, I still think, throwing a dog a bone, that this is still a damn fine establishment. After reflecting on our recent discussion about chestnuts I have decided to provide the name and address because I think it is just a matter of time before it is shut down and the lads at the ISG may as well have some benefit from it. Sabaydee Thai Massage Paramount Centre (ph: 03 9972 8305) in shop 4A on the Bourke Street Level is the only place to go in The Paramount. The girls at this shop are young, sweet and lovely. I fondly remember each visit I've ever had to this place. I would ask you to be on your very best behaviour when you visit. The price is $70 per hour and worth every cent.

Gents.

I don't accept any place that remains open for any length of time doesn't do at least a HJ.

My thought is too many of you accept thats the case and if you are willing to thats the way it ends up.

I always discreetly ask up front and it is so rare I get NO as I will leave if that is the case and they don't want that?

One of the establishments you make reference to with a number of shops I have never had less that a BJ on my 3 visits so to suggest nothing is on offer is far from the fact.

I reported many months back on a place on Warrigal Road that was low key you needed to play hard for a HJ and in true spirit or more a matter of having to survive the past 4 visits have resulted in a BJ and another naked and plenty of play.

Not a need to be rude just be upfront and if it is not on offer or agreed to leave as a $75 paying straight massage I will never contemplate.

Cheers.

Pedro.

[QUOTE=Meanderer; 1485649]The Paramount Retail Centre is the nearest you will get to Bangkok's Nana Plaza in Melbourne. Six massage shops in a three store shopping plaza. All the seediness of Nana Plaza and none of the fun. It nevertheless serves a purpose, which is of course, to demonstrate beyond all reasonable doubt that if you take mongering at all seriously, you really need to go elsewhere. The Centre has two entrances, one at 108 Bourke Street and one on the other side, at 101 Little Bourke Street.

From time to time, The Paramount will appear in a newspaper article. There is supposedly a notorious brothel operating here. The place they are referring to here is the Paramount Therapy and Sauna (ph: 03 9663 6639) located on the Upper Bourke Street Level in shop 11. Newspaper reporters like to make this claim because the government department responsible for regulating brothels and sex workers is situated across the street from The Paramount and it is, if you believe what you read, yet another instance of government incompetence. You can get a spa and sauna here. You can also get a very average quality massage here. More often than not you will also be offered some overpriced extras. When I was there a while ago I received a massage from a Thai woman in her 40s. She was a friendly lady but what was provided was expensive and thankfully a quite forgettable experience. The place has no atmosphere (think florescent lights). Even if I just wanted just a spa and sauna, there are better places to go, for example, like the ones at the City Baths.

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