German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[QUOTE=Optimist;1979354]The new law. I was wondering if any of our well informed German colleagues had any idea if CIM is illegal if there is no contact between the penis and mouth?[/QUOTE]Whether or not it is illegal according to the letter of the law, it is illegal according to the spirit of the law. If someone actually managed to avoid a fine on this technicality, I'm sure that the law would be changed to cover it (pun, as always, intended) in the future.

What will change? Sex without condom won't be openly advertised, and you can't demand it or complain with success if you don't get it. So, it will be like prostitution everywhere where it is illegal, or like "extras" at massage places. No-one will raid you during a session and see what is going on.

The law primarily targets AO vaginal sex. This really is a higher risk (to both parties) than oral sex. While I prefer vaginal sex without a condom, I wouldn't opt for it with a working girl. So, personally, I won't suffer as a result of the law. I think that it isn't a good idea, but we should be happy that more extreme suggestins didn't go through.

[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;1979228]As far as I know, some North American and Western European men have foreign brides from Eastern Europe.
[/QUOTE]I have one.

[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;1979228]
Is it a practical way to gain happiness? Or it is just another form of P4P?[/QUOTE]Sometimes it is thinly disguised prostitution, sometimes (as in my case) it is true love, sometimes (probably in the case of Donald and Milania) it is somewhere in-between. Like all other relationships.

[QUOTE=Optimist;1979343]Is long-distance race consisting of a 2. 4-mile (3. 86 km) swim, a 112-mile (180.25 km) bicycle ride and a marathon 26.22-mile (42.20 km) run, raced in that order and without a break.

So, I am one quarter iron man :)

No car driving included. ;)[/QUOTE]Worst is Embrun. FR with legendary higher than 2300 meters Izoard to climb. No problem for this, my climbings are much more difficult, sometimes over 20% climbing, but can t start at 6 am, swimming in the cold lake, even in August. I need warm water like was Globe swimming pool before they closed it to make now empty lounge. Not an improvement.

If BBBJ is taken off the menu, no point in FKK. A real shame. I absolutely love German women, rare as they are to find.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;1982142]If BBBJ is taken off the menu, no point in FKK. A real shame. I absolutely love German women, rare as they are to find.[/QUOTE]Even if BBBJ is taken off, there is still differences from escorts, RLDs. Seeing the girls at the clubs, hanging out at the clubs with many girls around, half HR rates, in robes or towels ready for multiple sessions, meals, wellness, atmospheres. Only that the exclusion of BBBJ gets services closer to RLD level. But yes, BBBJ is a significant aspect of service.

We'll see what real changes take place in due time.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1983132]Even if BBBJ is taken off, there is still differences from escorts, RLDs. Seeing the girls at the clubs, hanging out at the clubs with many girls around, half HR rates, in robes or towels ready for multiple sessions, meals, wellness, atmospheres. Only that the exclusion of BBBJ gets services closer to RLD level. But yes, BBBJ is a significant aspect of service.

We'll see what real changes take place in due time.[/QUOTE]If that happens, we got Austria and Zurich.

Interesting article on The Economist regarding decriminalizing sex work in Zimbabwe.

-Prices have dropped from 10 $ per 30 min to 2 $ for 30 min some nights.

- Unemployment is very high in Zimbabwe.

- There is no stigma against this work in zimbabwe, so all young girls are just flooding the market.

- It is also one of the poorest countries in the world.

But this gives us some indicators regarding how tough the competition could become if more borders are openned, stigma against this work falls further and unemployment rises even more. I do think the FKK model as long as there is a cap on the amount of clubs is very good for the girls. Otherwise there is no doubt unemployment will rise in the comming years, and moldova / ukraine / Georgia will probably all be allowed to work in eu soon. (They just were allowed in without visas a few weeks ago).

It seems the visa free deal with ukraine, moldova and Georgia will be voted on in the eu parlament on April 3rd. It was just the press release that came out 2 weeks ago. But it might have effects on the market in Germany. They might have a harder time getting work at FKK clubs, but apartments and rld's may get affected?

Or can anyone with more knowledge on german and eu laws pit in on this? Will they be allowed to work in FKK's also? If the vote is positive.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1983184]

-Prices have dropped from 10 $ per 30 min to 2 $ for 30 min some nights.
[/QUOTE]You can frequently get girls in Thailand long time for 1000 to 1500 baht which works out very close to $3 per hour.

For someone traveling from US these FKK, AO etc clubs does not exist.

This made me laugh. Reminded me of the many FKK mongers flirting to their RO WGs:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asUInMrsVrU[/URL]

[QUOTE=Breadman;1983977]You can frequently get girls in Thailand long time for 1000 to 1500 baht which works out very close to $3 per hour.[/QUOTE]But you won't be fucking them for 10 hours non stop. Lol. If you want half hour in thailand, you will probably have to pay at least 500, if not 700 bath with the cheapest streetgirls or rld's... that is like 14-20$. So much pricier than zimbabwe. (top gogo girls short time price is now 3000 bath plus 600 bath barfine. Which is like pricy 100$. Though you can probably bargain it to 2500, and then you can also long time them for 4-5000, which means all night. So it is not comparable at all) So much pricier than zimbabwe. Now the quality is a bit different than what you get elsewhere too. lol

Not that i have been to zimbabwe. just prejudice, lol

The main observation done in asia compared to german fkk clubs is that the pricing model at fkks are caterred to having sex multiple times, while in asia it is caterred to only fucking once per day/night. You see the same at Macau saunas. But in Macau, the clubs work like pimps taking 50% cut of the price every time. So pretty bad for the girls even if the customers pay much more than in germany. (well, unless the girls in germany are pimped too ofcourse...). But at least it does reduce the entry fee cost quite a bit, down to 20-25$ for 24 hour stay with free food and even included sleepover in cubicles, saving hotel cost etc etc. Why german fkk's haven't stolen this idea from the macau saunas seems strange. Even in Thailand most girls pay the local mafia a set amount per week or month. but just because it is much less in house.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1984379]But you won't be fucking them for 10 hours non stop. Lol. If you want half hour in thailand, you will probably have to pay at least 500, if not 700 bath with the cheapest streetgirls or rld's... that is like 14-20$. So much pricier than zimbabwe. (top gogo girls short time price is now 3000 bath plus 600 bath barfine. Which is like pricy 100$. Though you can probably bargain it to 2500, and then you can also long time them for 4-5000, which means all night. So it is not comparable at all) So much pricier than zimbabwe. Now the quality is a bit different than what you get elsewhere too. lol

The main observation done in asia compared to german fkk clubs is that the pricing model at fkks are caterred to having sex multiple times, while in asia it is caterred to only fucking once per day/night. You see the same at Macau saunas. But in Macau, the clubs work like pimps taking 50% cut of the price every time. So pretty bad for the girls even if the customers pay much more than in germany. (well, unless the girls in germany are pimped too ofcourse...). But at least it does reduce the entry fee cost quite a bit, down to 20-25$ for 24 hour stay with free food and even included sleepover in cubicles, saving hotel cost etc etc. Why german fkk's haven't stolen this idea from the macau saunas seems strange. Even in Thailand most girls pay the local mafia a set amount per week or month. but just because it is much less in house.[/QUOTE]I don't know why guys would pay a Thai girl $140 for an all nighter if he could only have sex once with the girl the whole night. Doesn't sound like it would be worth it to me.

There are German FKKs that allow guys to stay overnight at the club, but it's usually cheaper to stay in a real hotel and plus, most guys don't want to sleep in the same room that people were fucking in all day.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1983168]If that happens, we got Austria and Zurich.[/QUOTE]Yes, I'll be in Europe in most of 2017, and have planned out my itinerary accordingly. Germany before July, and Austria / Switzerland after.

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;1984406]
There are German FKKs that allow guys to stay overnight at the club, but it's usually cheaper to stay in a real hotel and plus, most guys don't want to sleep in the same room that people were fucking in all day.[/QUOTE]I don't think you understand the macau system. It costs nothing extra. And think of the beds like time capsules stuck into the wall. Japan style.