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[QUOTE=Pedros Needs; 1485972]Gents.

I don't accept any place that remains open for any length of time doesn't do at least a HJ.

My thought is too many of you accept thats the case and if you are willing to thats the way it ends up.

I always discreetly ask up front and it is so rare I get NO as I will leave if that is the case and they don't want that?

Not a need to be rude just be upfront and if it is not on offer or agreed to leave as a $75 paying straight massage I will never contemplate.[/QUOTE]That's exactly my method too. It is amazing how quickly the price or what's on offer changes once you are heading towards the door. In any case, a discrete query in the room usually results in the affirmative. But if the answer is no, what have you lost? You just saved your money for the next place.

I could never see the point in popping the question half way through a session, wasting time bargaining and risk being disappointed.

[QUOTE=Pedros Needs; 1485972]Gents.

I always discreetly ask up front and it is so rare I get NO as I will leave if that is the case and they don't want that?

Not a need to be rude just be upfront and if it is not on offer or agreed to leave as a $75 paying straight massage I will never contemplate.

Cheers.

Pedro.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this comment, Pedro.

There are many massage ladies who do not ever provide extras. For these ladies, ones who would never dream of providing these services, having a stream of guys asking you this question over and over can become very upsetting.

While I was waiting for my massage yesterday, the other girl in the shop was asked this question four times in the space of about fifteen minutes and she was quite distressed as a result. Maybe she was over-sensitive but I felt sorry for her. I would prefer to sometimes just receive a massage and nothing more, than to upset someone, inadvertently or not.

When you have been doing what we do for a long time you forget that for some people, doing what we ask would be something terribly shameful. This is not a moral statement, just an observation. If I'm asking something that would make someone feel bad about themselves, I would prefer that they don't do it and I would prefer not to ask. I think this is a situation where it is possible to avoid doing harm.

Sorry I've been a been quiet lads, just been licking my wounds after being slammed by Tony last month.

It's all a matter of personal opinion of course, but I find the idea of walking into a massage place, asking for a wristy then leaving if the answer is no, quite...... unbecoming. If the place is legit, can you imagine how uncomfortable you make the staff feel? Now you may not care (you obviously don't) but I've been bought up better than that. Nothing wrong with wanting a sure thing, but I believe that's what brothels and your regular places are for. I mean, just because you root a girl at work one time, you don't then go and ask every girl you work with thereafter for a root. You'd be fired. So just as some massage joints give wristys and a whole lot more, doesn't mean they all do. And finally, I wouldn't enjoy it as much if I knew for sure it was going to happen. The surprise wristy will always be the best kind. I've even got a legit place (private) where I go (not often) because the woman is hot, I get totally nude and get her hand brushing past and the accidental / incidental contact once or twice during the massage. We laugh about my erection then I pull it off in her shower when I'm done. Easy as and no one loses face.

[QUOTE=Krudd; 1486100]Sorry I've been a been quiet lads, just been licking my wounds after being slammed by Tony last month.

It's all a matter of personal opinion of course, but I find the idea of walking into a massage place, asking for a wristy then leaving if the answer is no, quite. Unbecoming. If the place is legit, can you imagine how uncomfortable you make the staff feel? Now you may not care (you obviously don't) but I've been bought up better than that. Nothing wrong with wanting a sure thing, but I believe that's what brothels and your regular places are for. I mean, just because you root a girl at work one time, you don't then go and ask every girl you work with thereafter for a root. You'd be fired. So just as some massage joints give wristys and a whole lot more, doesn't mean they all do. And finally, I wouldn't enjoy it as much if I knew for sure it was going to happen. The surprise wristy will always be the best kind. I've even got a legit place (private) where I go (not often) because the woman is hot, I get totally nude and get her hand brushing past and the accidental / incidental contact once or twice during the massage. We laugh about my erection then I pull it off in her shower when I'm done. Easy as and no one loses face.[/QUOTE]Unbecoming? Sounds like you haven't been punting for long! I think after more than 20 years of punting I can tell the difference between a legit parlour and an RnT pretty easily. You have been brought up better than that? That's funny. You were raise you not to ask for a HJ in a massage joint?

Your analogy of asking every girl at work is ludicrous. Every girl that has ever worked in a massage place has been asked countless times. It's part of the job and they know it. Have a coffee with one sometime and find out how it works. There is no comparison to a work situation. They know what you are after and they are no shrinking violets. Most of their money is made from extras, not from the small cut they get from a normal massage. A lot prefer you to make the first move. If you are a new customer, they don't know if you are from the authorities or not.

Still each to their own, if you prefer to pay to jerk off in the shower rather than ask, go for it!

Thanks for your response BoganB.

We'll agree to disagree. But I'll ask you this. If it's so easy to tell the difference between legit places and the rest, then why on earth does everyone jump on sites like these and ask everyone else's advice about whether a place offers extras!? Can't wait for this explanation!

Krudd 1

BoganB zero

Actually it's my first win since Tony kicked my arse. I'm back baby!

Thanks for your response, Krudd. You scored yourself a win? Interesting. I didn't realise this site was about winning or losing. I thought we were having a discussion over using different RnT approaches. Anyway.

You asked why "everyone jumps on sites like this and ask everyone else's advice about whether a place offers extras". I would think that's fairly obvious. A punter would rather frequent a place where he is fairly certain to get a tug rather than take pot luck like we used to before ISG and others came on the scene. So a site like this eliminates the ones where it's not a possibility and identifies the ones where it's offered. It saves both time and money. It is much easier than taking pot luck and having to ask at each place, which some punters seem too embarrassed to do. True?

At the end of the day, massage places are businesses which provide a service; therefore, you are well entitled to ask politely what those services are or if they provide a particular service you are after. If that service is not provided, then you are also entitled to say a polite thank you and leave, and try another establishment where those services may be offered. This is no different to any other service industry. Personally, I would much rather do it this way than jerking off in someone's shower.

Anyway, we all have our own methods with which we are comfortable. Enjoy your punting!

By the way, it's BogaB. I assume you just misread it.

Each to there own and we all approach things differently but I never feel I offend people when I discreetly ask for a HE and if they say NO I gracefully accept that, apoligise and leave.

I need say thats happened only once in 2 years so I certainly never feel that I have offended anyone by asking.

Pedro.

At the end of the day, massage places are businesses which provide a service; therefore, you are well entitled to ask politely what those services are or if they provide a particular service you are after. If that service is not provided, then you are also entitled to say a polite thank you and leave, and try another establishment where those services may be offered. This is no different to any other service industry. Personally, I would much rather do it this way than jerking off in someone's shower.

Anyway, we all have our own methods with which we are comfortable. Enjoy your punting!

By the way, it's BogaB. I assume you just misread it.[/QUOTE]

Had a massage at the 74 Sydney Road, Coburg shop (ph: 0406 856 988) recently. The name of the masseuse was Kimmy and she works on a Saturday and Sunday. The shop is open from 10am to 8pm, seven days a week. I wasn't sure about writing my massage lady's working name in a review but as her boss has decided to advertise her name on the Locanto website then I don't think that I'm doing anything wrong in passing on publicly available information. She knew that this had been done because when I told her that I'd seen her name advertised she didn't appear to be either surprised or unhappy about this fact. According to the information on the website she is from Shanghai and is 20 years old. She is described as being tall, slim, long hair, beautiful, sweet and friendly female masseuse and has been doing massage for one year. I can confirm this description – she's really lovely. In terms of her massage practice, she sploshes on a lot of oil on top of you and you receive long flowing strokes up and down your body. I was pleased with the massage I received. Cost was $70 for the hour.

Anyone who needs any further details regarding the service provided can send me a private message.

[QUOTE=Pedros Needs; 1486382]Each to there own and we all approach things differently but I never feel I offend people when I discreetly ask for a HE and if they say NO I gracefully accept that, apoligise and leave.

I need say thats happened only once in 2 years so I certainly never feel that I have offended anyone by asking.

Pedro.[/QUOTE]Hi Pedro,

In the future, I still think I won't be asking this question. But I recognise, that the way you ask something is probably as important as the words you use. If you ask something respectfully, in a friendly and considerate way, then most ladies will feel comfortable about saying no and there will be no offence given. I'm sure that's the way you do it and that's why you can be pretty sure that you're not giving offence. On the other hand, if someone asks the question in an aggressive and unpleasant fashion, like the guys I was overhearing recently, I can imagine that it would upset some ladies. Thanks again for everyone's contribution to this discussion.

[QUOTE=BogaB; 1485179]You missed my point. I am not saying that providing the name, address and telephone number of each service provider is necessarily right or wrong.

The point I was making is that it is a waste of time putting up cryptic clues or obscure references on one website when the precise information is readily available by simple switching to another. And it's equally ridiculous to think that the plods can't work out these "clues" and only punters are smart enough to do so. The authorities must be laughing at some of the cryptic stuff which is posted to try to fool them; after all, their source of information and data would be far more than anyone else's here. Cryptic clues only work if every website adheres to it and I don't see that ever happening.

Perhaps what should be kept cryptic is the precise nature of the services provided. Recently, one doofus on auxxx was bragging that he was getting BB sex at a particular RnT, with full details of both the ML and the establishment![/QUOTE]I don't mind either way but I wouldn't call it a waste of time because 90% of the time I can track the place down if I'm interested without too much trouble or I can PM the person. At least you can get an idea on what's on offer and the going rates generally which is the main value of a forum like this for me. Other forums may provide total contact details and they may be the same MPs so I guess everyone's happy. One thing I would like is full contact details of any place providing BB sex (so I can avoid it. If we really want to make things easier for the plods so they don't have to any work at all. After all, it is our taxes at work. Perhaps somebody could put up a monthly list of places, addresses, services and names of WLs

[QUOTE=Pedros Needs; 1485972]Gents.

I don't accept any place that remains open for any length of time doesn't do at least a HJ.

My thought is too many of you accept thats the case and if you are willing to thats the way it ends up.

I always discreetly ask up front and it is so rare I get NO as I will leave if that is the case and they don't want that?

A[/QUOTE]I guess I'm a bit weird because I really like a good massage and the rest is icing. I don't go back to a place where they brilliant sex but a rap massage (usually seems to be the case at most brothels I've been to). There's been places where the massage is good but you can't get your foot in the door (so to speak) until you've been there a couple of times, plus it can vary between the WLs at the same establishment. There was a great place in Huntingdale which was good on both counts, went back after an absence, had terrific massage but no extras all of a sudden but then maybe I just don't have the Pedros' charm

I have to admit I also have favourites and the main reason I look around is when one of them closes. Couple of times I've followed up a lead from here, the first was nothing like what was described and the second, the girl wasn't aware of what was claimed she joyfully did but that could have been my lack of PNC (Pedros Needs Charm).

Guys. Please. You can try to twist it any way you like. But an adult male rocking up to a legitimate massage place asking a 20-something girl if she wouldn't mind pulling his cock is sleazy. You know it and so do I. I'm not judging you. You're comfortable with it and that's what matters, but please don't try to bullshit me that it ain't sleazy.

BogaB (are you from lake Boga?) on one hand you say that you can spot an R'n't a mile away and tell them apart from legit joints, yet quickly admit this site exists so the rest of us mere mortals can advise one another of where to go and where to save our money. Honestly, if you really can do it, help your brothers out and tell us how you do it. We'd all like to save the $50 we all drop from time to time on a straight massage.

And you really should try self-pleasuring in a strangers shower. It's dirty and slightly wrong. That's what makes it great.

[QUOTE=Krudd;1486476]And you really should try self-pleasuring in a strangers shower. It's dirty and slightly wrong. That's what makes it great.[/QUOTE]If there is an award for Best Comment of 2013 this wins by a mile.

[QUOTE=Krudd;1486476]And you really should try self-pleasuring in a strangers shower. It's dirty and slightly wrong. That's what makes it great.[/QUOTE]Yes, I remember it well, that's exactly how it used to feel when I was 16. But I grew out of it. After I got my first girlfriend.

Krudd, mate, a bit of common sense has to come into this. Only the inexperienced would rock up to legit massage place asking for a HJ. For example, I wouldn't rock up to Holiday Calm asking for it or one of the numerous massage places at Chadstone Shopping Centre! However, when I see a flashing "open" sign, well, that sort of gives me a bit of a clue that it may be on offer.

You think it's sleazy asking for it up front but not sleazy asking halfway through a session or accepting it if offered? Quite frankly, I don't see much of a difference.

Anyway, it really is a waste of time debating this. If you are happy with your technique, stick to it. I'll stick to mine.

[QUOTE=BogaB; 1486746]Yes, I remember it well, that's exactly how it used to feel when I was 16. But I grew out of it. After I got my first girlfriend.

Krudd, mate, a bit of common sense has to come into this. Only the inexperienced would rock up to legit massage place asking for a HJ. For example, I wouldn't rock up to Holiday Calm asking for it or one of the numerous massage places at Chadstone Shopping Centre! However, when I see a flashing "open" sign, well, that sort of gives me a bit of a clue that it may be on offer.

You think it's sleazy asking for it up front but not sleazy asking halfway through a session or accepting it if offered? Quite frankly, I don't see much of a difference.

Anyway, it really is a waste of time debating this. If you are happy with your technique, stick to it. I'll stick to mine.[/QUOTE]Do I think it's sleazy to accept a HJ if offered? Um, no. Is there a difference between that and walking in off the street into a legit place and asking for one? Of course there is. You're just kidding yourself BogaB. If you're acting sleazy, just man up and move on. Like I did with the shower incidents. (Which you seem to be fascinated with! Ha ha). I'm not here to judge you, but if I spot bullshit I'm going to call it.

Probably a bit rhetorical to state we'll stick with our own techniques. It's obviously worked for you to this point. But try not to forget that it's sleazy.