Yes that will keep the gawkers out for sure.
[QUOTE=Ricker; 1154853]Well I'm just off the phone with Medellin Bob, here's the scoop from his what he tells me.
The new litle club will be meant to be a place to come pick up freelancers, like a mini-LDV, just with earlier operating hours, and will feature a bar and a place to get some light meals.
He tells me the place will not be for Colombianos per se, but for gringos really and Colombianos that pay the admission can of course enter.
Gringos staying at the CB1 and 2 admission free and the general public will pay an admission to keep out the gawkers who come only to nurture a beer for 4 hours and watch the chicas only.
He's thinking 40-50K peso entrance for general public, but undecided still.
Still waiting for word for the license, maybe opening in a couple or few weeks. [/QUOTE]Last time I was in LDV there was no admission charge and I don't think they had a gawker problem.
Of course I am a firm believer in capitalism, so it may work out. Also a good reason to stay at CB1 or 2, as that gives you a free pass.
Myself I will have to sit my butt at a table in Mayorista and drink my 2K beer while I am looking for the fabled diamond in the rough for 30K.
No matter what a lot of ISG members have been looking for a place like LDV in MDE. I must admit I hope it works out so at least we will stop getting the {Is there a place like Help or LDV in MDE.
Name for bar at Casablanca
Having been to the "ceebees" many times over the years and knowing the owners and the clients and the. Pu. Pu. Pu. Providers- there is only one possible name for a bar in any casablanca anywhere in the world, but this one muy especial- PRICK'S CAFE
Fair enough but please consider
[QUOTE=Ricker; 1154997]First of all the 40-50K pesos was just a thought, it could be that or maybe lower, he'll (Medellin Bob) will figure out what the market calls for.
Every time I've stayed at the CB1 or 2, over the years, there have ALWAYS been guys showing up and wanting to hang out and meet the chicas, usually being turned away due to not being a guest.
Also, there are almost always chicas that are not selected by guests and would love to meet other guys.
"Mansion girls" as they're often called or freelancers that are allowed to enter the bar, offer a different type service than just the casa girls down in el Central, more of a GFE type service.
Mansion girls have already proven that guys will pay a premium for them over girls in the el Central casas.
If a chica gives bad service, naturally followed by a bad rep for them, means no repeat business, no new customers and most likely being banned.
Mansion girls are getting from 100-150K pesos, usually for a couple or few hours, sometimes all day / night, depending on chemestry, etc.
You're not getting that at Face Dos, the 40 minute San Diego rip off, etc.
Plus, from what he (Bob) tells me, the place will be open during the day too, already creating a market different than these night time clubs,
Sounds like a great concept to me.
There will always be nay-sayers, just like when the Mansion first opened. I for one hope the authorities let it fly, so we can see the end results.
Though I dig hangin' out at the Mayo, waiting for the gem to appear too, it just ain't for everyone, and it's definitely not going to happen till the late night hours.
Just saying. [/QUOTE]Ricker. We scuffle once again! Hahhah. You make some very good points (as always) about guys wanting to party at CB1 or 2 and about SD and FDos being rip offs and finding the Wild Rose in the jungle of thrones that is Mayo.
I would like to point out that I did wish Medellin Bob well on the project and that I do think it is an interesting concept. I was not trying to be a "nay-sayer" rather putting out on the table a different and unbiased points of view. It's like when you and your buddy were teenagers (might be too long ago for some of ya'll to remember! LOL) and you're are all fired up to sell Tshirts and your mom and dad rain on your parade by talking logic and real numbers. They're not trying to kill your enthusiasm but real thought has to be put in and not a just a "Great Idea" and let's hope it works; Hope is not a business plan. I'm not a wet blanket kind of guy but you have to consider the competition and who is going to be your core market.
In any and all business ventures / life adventures you have to see all the alternatives, angles, and possibilities. Could this be a great opportunity? Hell yes! Could it be a flop as well? Hell yes!
At the proposed pick up joint or the CB1/2 Annex you have to ask: Do you have enough of a core market to make the project a success?
Let me say that I know what I'm talking about here as I have over 15 years experience in Hospitality-Service Industry and have had the pleasure of working with more than one guest judge from "Top Chef". From a Bar / Restaurant perspective I'm on point. I'm now in Sales and Marketing so I know a little something about that too. I'm not some "on-line hard-dick" who's talking out his ass; I can back up my thought and words with facts and logically thought out ideas. A radical concept on this board I know.
"Gringos" (I'm using gringo as a pronoun and not as a pejorative so let's not fire up that old tired argument please) who live here now are NOT going to pay a cover / door fee. They have their "novias" and more importantly they know where to go for "Pussy Economica" so why go to CB1n2 Annex and pay for something they already have in their back pocket or cell phone? You can't even get these these cheap gringos to pony up for a decent tip when you split a check with them or they ask for separate checks (which is lame in the states and super-lame in a foreign country) so how are you going to get them to pay just to walk in the door? The word I've learned in Colombia is "chichipata" I believe. I think I spelled that wrong. This demographic is mostly out of your core.
"Colombianos" who monger also know where to roll for some side pussy from their wife and novias and you will NOT get any sort of $10-$50K cover from 80% (if not more) of the Colombians, they simply can't afford the extra tax let alone take the girl back to their parents house for a date. You going to let them rent a mattress behind CB2 or have extra large bathroom stalls?
"Non Mongering Colombianos" or normal people if you will, are not going to hang out at a place with a gang of out-of-shape-silver fish gringos chatting up prepagos. Lunch crowd or business lunch people? Nope. Family out to diner for Abuela's Cumple? Nope. Carolina and her girlfriends pre-gaming before the club? Nope. Carolin's Mom and her girlfriends splitting some apps and wine talking about their nietos? Nope. Juan and Carlos just got paid are thy going to pay the door charge and split a bottle of aguardente? Nope. Hector and Anna-Maria on a date looking for a nice place to eat? Nope. Not with this business model, well that's how it sounds to me. None of these people will go in all likelihood. Even if there is no cover Hector and Juancito are not going to bring their amigas to split a few bottles of aguadente on a Thursday- Saturday due to the nature of the business.
Right their is you lose the majority of your "Regulars" and if you've ever owned a sub shop, won ton joint, any business for that matter knows your regulars pay the rent, lights, ect.
Which Brings me too.
"Vacation Monger" = Bread and Butter. Are there enough VM's to sustain a business let alone make it successful? This isn't the DR, Panama or CR for the time being so it's not like they have bus loads of gringos all over the place. (Thank God)
From what I understand CB makes loot from it's hotel business and other services and not the Girls. How are you going to make MONEY? Door Charge, $$ for a Chica Drink, tax the girls, tax the monger when he leaves?
Ricker said that a Mansion Girls appeal is the GFE. 100-150K for a few hours. What happens when 10 guys take out 10 girls and your left with 15 guys sitting at the bar and only 5 girls are available? Those girls that were taken out aren't coming back for a few hours or if at all. Those 10 guys that are with out a girl are going to leave and then how are you going to make money? An empty chair drinks no beer, eats no food.
Are you going to bleed the CB1-2 talent pool dry by offering these girls to any VM with the $20K to get in? Does this not compromise the "exclusivity" and benefit of staying at either CB? You just going to let any prepago come in off the street to set up shop?
This is not a personal attack, I'm sure you can see this by reading the post and not skimming. This is a forum for discussion and I am just presenting an alternative point of view. I feel that all the questions I have brought up and summations are fair to ask and to consider.
I look forward to any and all replys.
Just Saying
