Kyiv

[QUOTE=Jojosun]Here we are dealing with a live person. I know a lot of questions, but if we don't ask, we won't get the answers.[/QUOTE]Jo, this guy is a one-time poster promoting his brothel and/or the web site he has designed. He can't even do a decent translation from Russian to English!

We had plenty of these types try to sneak in such promos in the past. He should at least have had the sense to post it in Classified Ads where it actually belongs.

That being said, this is a brothel does not have a good reputation for quality as reviewed on the local Russian language site. Since business with the locals may have dried up, why not try and sucker naive and ignorant foreigners?

[QUOTE=AsianChaos]Gentlemen,

Will be heading into Kiev Ukraine for the first time in about 2 weeks and have read the forum extensively but nobody seems to give any rating to the best places to go.

If price was not the factor how would the seniors rank the following club in terms of having the best looking women while keeping easy entry into the clubs in mind also including the best time to go so I can watch the crowd come in.

Shooters, Budha bar, Avelon, Praptip, D/luxe.

Also i am brown in color 30 years (indian) with a decent look and dress very well so what kind of face control issue I am likely to get at the the above mentioned clubs. Is it a good idea to go early to the clubs or can I opt for the bottle service (buying a bottle or getting a table) which guarantees a sure entry like in the US. Does that system apply in Kiev as well? If it does any ideas how much it costs?

Money is not the issue - but my safetly is...I know some of the members might come back with mocking remarks on this but I was seriously considering hiring a body guard during my trip to clubs to kiev. Seniors - pro and cons of this would greatly help.

Since like I said - my safety is a big priority due the the skinhead problems in Kiev.

Your comments gentlemen.[/QUOTE]I can understand your concerns & would like to point you in the right direction, but I am the Wrong shade to find out being, (White).

May I suggest that you RTFF here & read the excellent reports posted by Borat 69. He posted around Sept 09.

He was in the same boat.

He answered most of your safety and club issues, bar the River palace which got towed away.

Most girls care more about the color of your money.

[QUOTE=Uke Boy]Jo, this guy is a one-time poster promoting his brothel and/or the web site he has designed. He can't even do a decent translation from Russian to English!

We had plenty of these types try to sneak in such promos in the past. He should at least have had the sense to post it in Classified Ads where it actually belongs.

That being said, this is a brothel does not have a good reputation for quality as reviewed on the local Russian language site. Since business with the locals may have dried up, why not try and sucker naive and ignorant foreigners?[/QUOTE]Thank You, Old Boy.

Sespasyba Karachov. I know the spelling is the Wrong, but its the thought& sound that counts.

With my 3 Russian words I won't be able to navigate my way around Local Russian sites. And frankly why should I?

Thanks again for your advice.

That's when we need Old Kiev Hands.

[QUOTE=Ididid]Jojosun, that site you linked had some gergous girls.

Kiev is good, but compare the price you pay for a girl to the standard income it is waaaaaay to expensive. If escorts have the same price and even cheaper in UK, it is something wrong considering the living standards between those 2 countries.

And on more thing, comparing Kiev to Thailand is crazy, it is nowhere near Thailand :)[/QUOTE]I made love (Yes the right term here) to most of the girls on that site & the fact that this & others that I posted in the UK thread under Milton Keynes have been going for years with reputable feed backs and reports posted on Uk forums speak for themselves.

Yes. Short time in London might be Cheaper, but all night & LT in Kiev is much cheaper.

Due to the large influx into the UK of girls from the new EE countries that joind the EU, and in the forfront Poland, prices for mongering in London is much cheaper than 10 years ago.

Nothing Wrong here, just Supply & Demand.

[QUOTE=Ididid]Jojosun, that site you linked had some gergous girls.

Kiev is good, but compare the price you pay for a girl to the standard income it is waaaaaay to expensive. If escorts have the same price and even cheaper in UK, it is something wrong considering the living standards between those 2 countries.

And on more thing, comparing Kiev to Thailand is crazy, it is nowhere near Thailand :)[/QUOTE]You can't compare Escorts & prostitutes prices anywhere to the standard income in that country.

Can you compare the (4000 Baht, =US$142), all night for take out from (Baccara) being the top Go Go club in Bangkok with the standard income in Thailand?

This is even if they agree to all night, as most of them opt to go for the Short Time at 2000 Baht+ bar fine of 600Baht + your drinks.

And when you try to compare like for like, in terms of quality & status of clubs, ie Baccara & the like in, Bangkok V Top Kiev clubs, then you find which is the crazier comparison.

Added to this the comparison, the level of education of UA girls V Thai girls.

In Thailand you might end up sponsoring the Girl's Family Buffalo, but in Kiev you are either buying urgent medical treatment to herGrand Mother, or to fund the girl's studies until she gets her PHD, Doctorate in Sexeology.

And we all know how costly & time consuming getting a PHD in Sexeology can be.

I for one, being a gentelman & (Gentelmen Prefer Blondes), the prices quoted by(River Palace girls) then seem to be Reasonable & even a bargain when you got them on Happy Hour Prices the following Early evening.

Bless them & bless the Boat that got towed away with them.

Must dash back to my Pub to have my Sunday joint & drinks, and I am half pissed already.

Sorry folks, but as much as I like lurking on this site, it can be Addictive.

[QUOTE=Ivanvlad]Hello, Hunter, it seems that nobody believes in you.[/quote]Ivanvlad, you do not speak for all readers on this board. Speak for yourself!

At least this man talks about places a newbie could go. That's more than YOU can say: I read all eight of your reports. None would help another man get laid. A couple are questions you could have answered for yourself by reading or searching the forums. Until you post useful reports, I suggest you keep your criticism to yourself.

I even had to fix your post in the Reports of Distinction. It seems you did not even bother to check that the link you posted would work. Get a clue!

If you don't find Hunter's reports useful, put him on your Ignore list and move on. I don't see the value of a bunch of people beating up on the guy, claiming to speak for everyone here. You don't, and you come off pretty wimpy by pretending you do, especially when you have no record of your own to stand on.

[QUOTE=Ididid]And on more thing, comparing Kiev to Thailand is crazy, it is nowhere near Thailand :)[/QUOTE]My experience was that it IS comparable to Thailand. The going price in Nana or Soi Cowboy is 1500 ST plus 600 for bar fine, about US$71 total. I had a very nice experience with a mamba lady for US$100, and I think they can be had for 600 Ukranian, which is about US$74. That's a narrow gap for quality service from an attractive and friendly lady in either place for about 2 hours.

I am now in Kiev.Took some mamba girls for 600 Grivnya.Overall good experience I did also extreme stuff but the freebie scene has changed to the worse.I was in deLux and Carribean.Too much competition from Arabs and Turks I managed to hit some girls but soon gets very expensive.I don't know what these Arabs are spending but they spend huge.The Turks grab the girls and bring them where they are.In general you need really to try hard to keep them.

I got some on date to restaurant the next day but they got greedy.I saw very old western men with tall,hot,Blondynki carrying bags from extensive shopping and buying cosmetics.Overall not a good place for average financial situation.Province much better.

So Kiev is now very good for p4p,bad for freebies.Most mamba contacts do not even appear or start sh1t tests or are clearly after money.

[QUOTE=Jojosun]With my 3 Russian words I won't be able to navigate my way around Local Russian sites. And frankly why should I?[/QUOTE]Google Chrome (browser) automatically translated Russian pages from mamba.ru to English for me. Short of installing that browser, you can ask google translator to translate a page, given the URL and original language. The translations are imperfect, perhaps, but it definitely conveys the important ideas.

And why should you read Russian sites? The lady I reviewed below does speak a little English, but her posting on mamba.ru was in Russian, and I was able to read all of her comments. There were important hints on what she expected that made the whole experience go a lot smoother.

As I said earlier, I think here, I wish it could also translate my English responses automatically into Russian. But that can be done with google translator, too.

You could reasonably discuss with a lady and get her to agree to visit, having exchanged ideas in advance, and knowing that you would not be able to actually converse with words in person. So far google has no solution for that.

No, I don't work for google.

[QUOTE=Steve Naive]Google Chrome (browser) automatically translated Russian pages from mamba.ru to English for me. Short of installing that browser, you can ask google translator to translate a page, given the URL and original language. The translations are imperfect, perhaps, but it definitely conveys the important ideas.

And why should you read Russian sites? The lady I reviewed below does speak a little English, but her posting on mamba.ru was in Russian, and I was able to read all of her comments. There were important hints on what she expected that made the whole experience go a lot smoother.

As I said earlier, I think here, I wish it could also translate my English responses automatically into Russian. But that can be done with google translator, too.

You could reasonably discuss with a lady and get her to agree to visit, having exchanged ideas in advance, and knowing that you would not be able to actually converse with words in person. So far google has no solution for that.

No, I don't work for google.[/QUOTE]There is an Option in English on mamba. One needs to click on the bottom left hand side of the page.

I only need to clarify in English the price + time($$$ Hours? In my pm on mamba). And when they respond I take it a bit further.

One cheeky young student replied to me, (Does it really matter to you the Money?) My pm. I am not worried about the $$$ money, I am more worried about the Time, just in case its too long, because I only go for short time affairs.

Long story short. I met up with her in Kiev. She came down to Kiev from Donetsk to meet me without me sending her a cent. I posted on her last year. Irish Lad did comment at the time that she didn't sound as if she was a prostitute, not that I cared any way. And he was right.

Sponsoring in UA is not outright prostitution, but it could work out more expensive.

Now we are the best of friends. She calls me her Dream, but I relegated her to just a friend & talent spotter for me.

This girl is for keeps and I won't be sharing her digits. My investment + hard work. Now she is my companion in clubs.

You pull more girls when you are in the company of another girl or girls and not just in Kiev. More so if she is Bisexual.

You get Two for the price of one.

I don't get involved in the translation game, just in case we get lost in Translation. Besides I am too lazy to do that & can't be bothered to go through all of that just to get laid in Kiev.

I spent months on Mamba prior to landing in Kiev. Built up a portfolio of potentials. When I got there sampled some of them.

I only meet girls once & very rarely twice. Never do I go on an ego trip.

It might sound strange. I know.

[QUOTE=Steve Naive]My experience was that it IS comparable to Thailand. The going price in Nana or Soi Cowboy is 1500 ST plus 600 for bar fine, about US$71 total. I had a very nice experience with a mamba lady for US$100, and I think they can be had for 600 Ukranian, which is about US$74. That's a narrow gap for quality service from an attractive and friendly lady in either place for about 2 hours.[/QUOTE]Even girls on the streets around Nana are 1000 baht (US$35) a short pop .
With all the street food stalls there & eating with your eyes , its not much of a turn on .
The combination of smells of Garlic,Ginger ,Coriander and pussies next to each other is another dampner on your libido .

[QUOTE=Ivanvlad][QUOTE=HunterDave]After the past 24 hours I needed some heavy rest. Got a few hours of sleep, but my phone, non-UA, kept ringing. Turned out there was an emergency back home and I.

Hello, Hunter, it seems that nobody believes in you.

The problem in your report is that your time is so well organized that even the US president can do better. I don't know why you write these reports, but you will not help neither veterans nor the new ones go to Kiev. I don't mean that you have not had a good experience in Kiev, but please be more realistic as in previous reports you have written. Regarding your photos, anyone could capture them (e. G. This girl is dancing for me.). You said that for many mongers time is gone, it seems to me to be gone for you.[/QUOTE]Hey, what rock did you crawl out from under? Have you ever even posted anything anywhere on ISG? If your Prague post is your claim to fame I guess you are still in 'training' mode to monger. Have you ever been to Kiev? Please shed some light to all of us on anything you have done as a mongerer. Not one of your reports shows you have even been to Kiev. Clearly you find it hard to believe someone can score with a hottie from your 8 (counting this report) weak reports. Sorry you dislike my posted fotos. I just posted some still video freeze shots. But I recommend you place my reports in your Ignore folder since clearly you don't enjoy seeing or reading about fellow mongerers scoring with Kiev hotties.

I recommend you come out from the shore (where you are very safe) and test the water in Kiev. It is deep but the rewards if you prepare properly can be exceptional. Just RTFF. But my guess is that you prefer the safety on staying on the sidelines and taking a few cheap shots. Time for you to take off your training wheels. Bud, I hate to tell you but your mouth is talking smack your reports do not back up.

I think Jackson needs to start a new thread here in Ukraine or on the ISG main threads for mongerers like your self that just like to b**** and complain so some of us other mongerers don't have to hear the likes of you and some of the 'bluebloods' on this thread. We can call it the Whiner thread and make you and a few others Founding Members! You get my vote hands down!

Hunter

[QUOTE=Jojosun]Hunter,

My approach to multi booking of girls on the same Night, ie plans A, B, C, the and then hit the clubs, is Similar to yours, except that I set up the meetings in the Basement bar of my hotel.

This way at least I am having a drink& a snack, and if the girl is not up to my expectations and more importantly terms of service, then she is away with the 50 hryvnia. It is less awkward for me than running up and down the stairs.

I can check her here for attiude and confirmation of services as per her profile, before we make our way upstairs to my room.

Just in case the girls are working for the the same Agency (You can't tell by the different phone nos), I arrange meetings on the hour & then

Past 10 minutes.

I couldn't be setting up say an hour meeting with 2 different girls at the same time. If the y are working for the same person or agency they get alarmed if you haven't asked for double booking, and will only send one.

Remember INNA, the lovely looking student girl who was advertising herself at US$ 300 L/T on mamba?

I think you had her for much less. And igot her to come to my meeting place. She was very nice looking, but not the type I go for.

Although she really came down on her price, I made an excuse by asking her whether A was on the menu? She said sorry No. Gave her 100 UAH, and I told her that I will contact her again. But she wanted to hang around with me and have a chat. She was working for herself, ie independent. As the meeting was running late, Plan B girl turned up.

A big young pretty Blonde girl, who you could tell that A levels she can master. At this point INNA got up and her parting words were, you have a strange taste.

When my mongering meetings & activities in my room wind up at around midnight, then its time to hit the clubs.

If I encounter anything worth it for a max US 120 and I am still going, then its back to my room.

In River Palace I used to chat up the girls buy them drinks, but tell them I only indulge early evening & I like to sleep and wake up alone.

Get their digits and we agree on a happy hour price the following day.

Afternoons I do the Massage places.

This multi planning is the one I follow in Poland as well, except the Clubs there incall Sex clubs. So price & sex is Guranteed.

Hunter. You are wrong about British food. London is the Food capital of the world now & British food (English &Ethnic) is very Fusion and eclectic.

Eating out in London is such a joy and experince, and so is the Mongering.

And I am going to do just that in the next few hours with one of the girls from here.

[url]www.Houseofdivine.com[/url]

No scams, no ripoffs. The girls do what it says on their Tins.

A lot of times it even beats Kiev.

Regards[/QUOTE]JoJo,

Similar methodologies, but I stay in apartments and avoid hotels hence the need to go down to pick them up. I do not want them showing up later with a big 'mafia' dude or pimp wanting more. Sorry about Inna, she appears to have raised her price. When I met her she was just a college girl looking for some money for tuition. But hell that was about a year ago.

When I first arrive I hit the phones hard to confirm my setups. I kind of try to meet with up to 3-4 hotties in the first 24 hrs if possible to get the engine revved up and tuned. Day 2 is similar, but I do try to ramp it up even more if possible looking to meet with and hit 4 of them if possible. After 2 days I try to look for steady state minimum of 2 hotties but shoot for 3 per day if things can work out. This is where Plans A, B, see & the pay their dividends. I line them up, and Rolex the late shows for later, but work to keep a line going, with new possibles in the wings. This seems to have worked well these last 2 trips. So well that I now start with the gen-V on Day 2 rather than later in a trip. Ah, the miracle of drugs.

I have 4 different Mamba accounts (in the event the Mamba staff blocks my profile) so I can keep hunting till I get my main account unblocked. I keep comms up with 600+ hotties (p4p or possible freebies) just in my main (Real) (favorites) account to keep the line ready and available. My other backup accounts have many other 'favorites' also which I try to keep up comms with. Many are standing by to meet with me. This helps keep the prime pumped. Some get a bit pissed that I have not yet linked up with them on my short trips. I keep feigning alot of work in Kiev! Such is the life of a mongerer in Kiev. Keep me in that briar patch!

I some times book a few very close together since there is always a late show, so I pass on one and bring home the nearer timed and readily available one. I try to use my afternoons for p4p since I have been sleeping thru the morning from the previous nights activities and fun. I look for the planned Mamba p4p hottie. I shoot for around the 5-600 grivna range just to get me back in the swing of things to start my new mongering day. I see the evening hours 17. 00 to 01. 00 prime for freebie meeting or past follow-up or the occasional just got to have p4p. I try to eat by myself around 16. 00 so I feign that I am not hungry when a hottie is begging to go and eat. I offer a drink to meet, when a hottie pushes for a dinner, then I offer the place. If she pushes a place I normally excuse myself do to work. I read someone else say this also, but I tell them I have travelled 6, 000 plus miles to see her, she can at least meet me at my place of choosing near the city center (also near my apartment) for later activities. Some p4p are now very nice freebies, probably similar to your former RP next day specials or freebies.

I guess I may have to re-examine my ideas on London. Still like the beer, not so much the chow! But hell it would be nice to try out the EE specials and maybe monger together.

Hunter

[QUOTE=Jojosun]Sorbonne. The moral of all the this is the following.

1. By all means one should read all reports here to learn the ropes, but putting too much substance into inner personal sack details, can be counter productive. The Devil is Always is in the Details.

Besides it is trivial & irrevelant, trying to check how many times, Poster X& y and Z popped in a night of passion in Kiev.

2. I am a novice here myself and I try to find things out for myself. But

With all due respect to old Kiev hands & Veterans, this doesn't mean that they necessarly occupy the High Mongering ground in Kiev.

3. Even if they do. Do you really think, that they fancy a whole load of Sex tourists fucking on their own door steps & discovering their treasured gems & favourite places?. After all it did cost the K veterans an arm & leg + money in doing so.

And why should they?

4. You have spent longer time in Kiev than yours truly., but I can tell you that where you popped wasn't in a (salon), but in a Massage Place.

How do I know that?

By what you posted above (thay only do Hand Jobs there.).

The 2 sticking terms that I never encountered in my global mongering before I landed in Kiev, were (Sponsoring & salons).

. Salons, AKA, incall Brothels. Where pussies are on the menu, not only hand jobs.

Sponsoring. Is not necessarily (Prostitution).

Thanks to all the OPS who replied to my questions at the time, and explained to me the differences.

For me its back to Learning the Ropes.

Warning to all newbies. This can be costly & addictive, if you don't do your home work first before landing.

Regards[/QUOTE]


My hat off. You're pretty observant.

I didn't bother nailing the terms. To think about it, salons I've been to in Riga and St. Pete were indeed incall brothels. Kiev is the only city I know where there is a type of establishment, namely massage place, that does only hand jobs.

I guess meaning of terms depends on each country.

So what does sponsoring mean in Ukraine? I originally thought what it meant was like "giving the girl's family monthly stipends on condition that the girl will marry you when she is ready" or something. But then I'm hearing about "sponsoring a girl on weekends." Can you or anyone point me to the right direction?

I booked Malena ([url]http://www.top-models.mx/?id=3761#f[/url]), who has recently lowered her price from 1000 to 800, and rightly so.

Anyway, it is hard to tell, but if the photos are real, they are from at least 5 years ago. The girls who showed up was at least 5Kg. overweight, all of which went to her stomach, and had bad lip collagen injections, that made the middle of her lips pouty but really hard. She kept her watch on, and started complaining after about 15 minutes.