Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2571750]Is this the restaurant you pass while climbing the hill on the way to the airport?[/QUOTE]I don't really pay attention on the drives from airport but I don't think so.

I can't answer because, like Playboy magazine, I only read Slapshots posts for the written content.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2571846]Are we talking about the views of the "pink snapper" in his photo's, screw the views of the valley![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Icky994;2571848]I have been searching the forum for a while and have yet to find out where these mansions are. Everyone seems to be keeping to info a secret for some reason. I landed last night and was even trying to see about booking a room at the mansion. There is a dude selling the info for $75 but that seems ridiculous. Can anyone help me out here?[/QUOTE]There is a guy on Youtube I saw a while back who was 'selling' info -but that was for how to get and find Loutron--which is a mansion that is used as a casa / brothel-but not the Mansion-which is a hotel for mongers-newbies especially like you-that is referenced here hundreds of time--there's a whole entire section in the Colombia chat list dedicated to the Mansion. Any real reading through the forums here would offer plenty of information about the place and how to find it / reserve rooms and what shenanigans go on there.

[QUOTE=FatOldGringo;2572085]I would really appreciate any real recommendations.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]This is the best one. Let us know if you go and write a short review. Thanks.

[URL]https://www.tripadvisor.com/AttractionProductReview-g297478-d11477195-Private_Half_Day_Pablo_Escobar_Godfather_Tour_in_Medellin-Medellin_Antioquia_Depar.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2572092] Only one tequila is worse, for price-to-quality ratio: Patron. At least, Jose Cuervo is cheap.

(but if you find a "Reserva de la Familia" you discover that Jose Cuervo ALSO makes top quality tequilas).[/QUOTE]It's amazing how people don't know the difference between shit and shinola (shoe polish) due to no fault of their own, and good advertising campaigns.

You take Jose Cuervo tequila which is widely promoted, and how the hell are most Colombians going to know whether the quality is any good, no different than the Certified Angus Beef sold in Colombia at such a high price.

And for most Colombians, just getting to drink Tequila is a luxury for them, and as far as Jose Cuervo, I use it in my Tequila Sunrises and Margaritas because it is cheap, however I would never do shots of it. And because I'm cheap, I would never use Patron to make a mixed Tequila drink.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2571465]Yes, that's right. Was meaning book for dbl occupancy. Thanks for the reply. I don't really care if its Hotel Nutibara or another TBH. I have seen Nutibara in [URL]Booking.com[/URL] and it looks nice from the exterior that's all. But any reasonable hotel would be great. I just don't fancy staying in a shorttime room or a hotel that feels like a "Carcel".[/QUOTE]The AC is ice cold, the rooms are huge, and the king size beds are firm. And you are across the street from Botero Park and Ground Zero, at one of the safer spots (traffic wise) to cross that street.

My "go to" ATM is on the ground floor in Nutibara, tucked away a little, ask the front desk where it is.

And the BBQ rib and hamburger place on the ground floor with a separate street entrance from the back of the hotel has good but pricey food by MDE standards, and is a good cut-thru to know, will save you from walking around the entire building. There is also a restaurant on the ground floor that specializes in Peruvian food which is surprisingly rare in Colombia, that I recommend, and a better value than the BBQ place.

Finally, you are on the right booking site for hotels in Colombia, IMO.

Hey,

Just wanted to give my pre Medellin experience. So I've been reading the posts for a couple weeks now, and got some good advice from you guys. I couldn't locate anything on Facebook, so I downloaded Tinder and spent a couple hours swiping and after the first day I got a bunch hits back and the women are beautiful.

The Good and the Bad.

I spent a couple Days speaking to some women most wants a real relationship and a couple will just drag you alone. I managed to speak with a couple that provides services, and I have 2 woman setup the first and second night. I even have a date with a sexy woman. I will be stating at Hotel Medellin Plaza since it's my first trip. I'm going to update you guys after my trip and maybe a couple days in if I have time.

I'm accepting any advice to keep my head on straight.

[QUOTE=FatOldGringo;2572085]I would really appreciate any real recommendations.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I can unhesitatingly recommend an amazing Pablo tour, with Jimmy Giraldo. Find him on Facebook. He has deep insight into the family, as his sister was close with Pablo himself and I believe his brother was in the cartel, and didn't make it through. Super nice and fun guy. Would do it again!

Nice to have something to contribute on this site.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2572162]It's amazing how people don't know the difference between shit and shinola (shoe polish) due to no fault of their own, and good advertising campaigns.

And for most Colombians, just getting to drink Tequila is a luxury for them, and as far as Jose Cuervo, I use it in my Tequila Sunrises and Margaritas because it is cheap, however I would never do shots of it. And because I'm cheap, I would never use Patron to make a mixed Tequila drink.[/QUOTE]In the south we say shit from apple butter. There are alcohols that you use for mixing and there are alcohols that you consume alone. It does not make sense to use a quality and expensive alcohol in a mix. Of course it is all in the advertising. McD's has always made fun commercials and their burgers have always tasted like not quality. The diamond industry does a hell of a job telling you that you need to get diamonds, but try selling one of those mfs back to them and they won't even take it back for free. I laugh at all the rappers bragging about the worthless rocks they spent a ton of money on.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2572162]It's amazing how people don't know the difference between shit and shinola (shoe polish) due to no fault of their own, and good advertising campaigns.

You take Jose Cuervo tequila which is widely promoted, and how the hell are most Colombians going to know whether the quality is any good, no different than the Certified Angus Beef sold in Colombia at such a high price.

And for most Colombians, just getting to drink Tequila is a luxury for them, and as far as Jose Cuervo, I use it in my Tequila Sunrises and Margaritas because it is cheap, however I would never do shots of it. And because I'm cheap, I would never use Patron to make a mixed Tequila drink.[/QUOTE]Tequila Intolerance, in others, jaajaja. I am sure you are correct but usually you are not divisive here, albeit a minor subject. BTW, you do a great job on this board and I think you are due for a raise. My first interest in posting, Jose Cuervo Gold is my tequila of choice and I drink shots of it all the time. Basically I got used to it. The taste varies widely from bottle do bottle which shows to go ya, it really isn't a quality product, but I like it.

Here's the real reason I posted and a great example of cultural differences. We were having a little party in the casa I am buiding on the mountaintop with me novia, her famly and friends. I know your remember because you asked pointed questions before about it. Mi novia's padre kept asking me, "Quieres beber algo de Boocannons? Do you want to drink some Boocannons? I thought I was in for a new local drink when he breaks out a bottle of 12 year old Scotch. We all did a round of shots, and then they break out ice, limes and salt, to drink with the Scotch! I am not an aficionado but I'm pretty sure salt and lime would considered a sacrilege to a Scotch drinker. But here's where it gets tripendicular. I loved it, tasted great! I would do it that way again. Yeah, I know, there's no accounting for taste, jaja. The red foto is our future kitchen set up as a DJ booth for mi novia's hermano. Ostee out.

Any feedback or info would be great. I also have heard of some weekend Finca singers parties?

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2571943]It fucked up my fone, I lost count of how many apps it put on my fone, many games etc.

I'm guessing they are malware / spyware etc.

If I had to guess I would say I deleted over 50 apps and they kept popping back up.

I had to do a factory reset.[/QUOTE]Everyone I know in Colombia has didi and nobody has ever had any problems with malware, etc.

Strange.

[QUOTE=BrothaLuvBone;2572226]I can unhesitatingly recommend an amazing Pablo tour, with Jimmy Giraldo. Find him on Facebook. He has deep insight into the family, as his sister was close with Pablo himself and I believe his brother was in the cartel, and didn't make it through. Super nice and fun guy. Would do it again!

Nice to have something to contribute on this site.[/QUOTE]I too have done the tour with Jimmy Giraldo. Speaks fantastic english, has his own car to drive you.

[QUOTE=FatOldGringo;2572085]I would really appreciate any real recommendations.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Go with the one these people recommended, I went with one through a hostel in Manilla and I thought it was a waste of time. I heard the ones that take you to see his animals are better but I'm biased, I hate tours generally. Paragliding over the city is on my to do list next trip.

[QUOTE=Shawn6430;2572221]Hey,

Just wanted to give my pre Medellin experience. So I've been reading the posts for a couple weeks now, and got some good advice from you guys. I couldn't locate anything on Facebook, so I downloaded Tinder and spent a couple hours swiping and after the first day I got a bunch hits back and the women are beautiful.

The Good and the Bad.

I spent a couple Days speaking to some women most wants a real relationship and a couple will just drag you alone. I managed to speak with a couple that provides services, and I have 2 woman setup the first and second night. I even have a date with a sexy woman. I will be stating at Hotel Medellin Plaza since it's my first trip. I'm going to update you guys after my trip and maybe a couple days in if I have time.

I'm accepting any advice to keep my head on straight.[/QUOTE]If you're not going for more than two weeks or you have absolutely nothing, and I mean nothing to do right now I would abandon tinder. Read back posts about facebook, go to Parque Lleras, La Isla, Centro, Photoprepagos and post your dates and I'm sure someone can meet up with you from here. I think there was a guy here a few months ago that posted he couldn't get laid, that's really fucking hard to do here.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2571943]It fucked up my fone, I lost count of how many apps it put on my fone, many games etc.

I'm guessing they are malware / spyware etc.

If I had to guess I would say I deleted over 50 apps and they kept popping back up.

I had to do a factory reset.[/QUOTE]On my previous phone, the app would run the battery down in a few hours. I learned to stop the app after I started the trip. I got a new phone and haven't had any problems with the app. Both phones are Android. So far, no extra apps have been loaded. I used the app on my new phone for a month during my previous trip and have been using it for the past week.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2571935]Taxis, Uber, and DiDi run 24/7. Be careful getting a taxi on the street, especially around Parque Llerus. There are some dishonest drivers. Make sure the meter is on and reset. It should start at 3600, I think. There is also a minimum fare. I think it is now 5800. It's best to use an app to hail a ride. Cabify is an app for the regular taxis. All taxis operating in and around Medellin are yellow. There are white taxis that go between the airport and Medellin. All that being said, I have found most drivers are honest. Prices are cheap, but prices of Uber and Didi go up at night and when it is raining.[/QUOTE]Yeah I never use taxi's, didi is my go to, there's two other similar apps. Uber is a little more expensive and not as common to find drivers as the drivers generally want to get paid in cash and have money now opposed to get payment later. If you're in parque lleras, start calling your app before the clubs close and put it down to pay in cash. In peak times they will cancel on you, taxis will ask off the bat 30 k for a 5 k ride, they understand the demand so be prepared.

[QUOTE=Shawn6430;2572221]Hey,

Just wanted to give my pre Medellin experience. So I've been reading the posts for a couple weeks now, and got some good advice from you guys. I couldn't locate anything on Facebook, so I downloaded Tinder and spent a couple hours swiping and after the first day I got a bunch hits back and the women are beautiful.

The Good and the Bad.

I spent a couple Days speaking to some women most wants a real relationship and a couple will just drag you alone. I managed to speak with a couple that provides services, and I have 2 woman setup the first and second night. I even have a date with a sexy woman. I will be stating at Hotel Medellin Plaza since it's my first trip. I'm going to update you guys after my trip and maybe a couple days in if I have time.

I'm accepting any advice to keep my head on straight.[/QUOTE]There will be women at your hotel to take care of your wants and desires, and get you started on Facebook.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2572162]And for most Colombians, just getting to drink Tequila is a luxury for them, and as far as Jose Cuervo, I use it in my Tequila Sunrises and Margaritas because it is cheap, however I would never do shots of it. And because I'm cheap, I would never use Patron to make a mixed Tequila drink.[/QUOTE]If tequila is sold at this discount store then it is more common than you think. The convenience store "D1" which is everywhere sells cheap Tequila 750 ML for 40,000 COP / 3600 = $11.11. I buy Irish Cream Whiskey 750 ML at Justin and Bueno convenience store for 25,000 COP / 3600 = $6. 94.

[QUOTE=DeepXliv;2572101]I don't really pay attention on the drives from airport but I don't think so.[/QUOTE]For reference, it's the restaurant just past the entrance to Loutron.

[QUOTE=Mike6911;2572259]Everyone I know in Colombia has didi and nobody has ever had any problems with malware, etc.

Strange.[/QUOTE]Yup. Not sure what he's talking about, probably some more misinformation. Apps with malware etc would never get approved and make it to the App Store.

[QUOTE=HuskerDude;2572262]I too have done the tour with Jimmy Giraldo. Speaks fantastic english, has his own car to drive you.[/QUOTE]Jimmy's a cool guy. A number of years ago he took me out to Finca Napoli along with a hottie from the Mansion. We all had a thoroughly great time and Jimmy's English is excellent (he was a gypsy driver in NYC if I remember correctly) His car at that time knid of suckedd, but hopefully he has upgraded. Good family man, but no juefgrmernt. In other words, Colombian, but seaks English.

[QUOTE=DeepXliv;2572272]Yeah I never use taxi's, didi is my go to, there's two other similar apps. Uber is a little more expensive and not as common to find drivers as the drivers generally want to get paid in cash and have money now opposed to get payment later. If you're in parque lleras, start calling your app before the clubs close and put it down to pay in cash. In peak times they will cancel on you, taxis will ask off the bat 30 k for a 5 k ride, they understand the demand so be prepared.[/QUOTE]App is DIDI-Rider?

Could someone please recommend a nice comfortable girl friendly hotel in Medellin? Close to the action and nice property. I am fluent in Spanish so the language is no issue.

This will be my first time in Colombia but am a seasoned traveler. Please give me the top 5 hotels.

Gracias.

Hello community!

I might come back (4th time) in Medellin to spend the next winter (basically from November to March at least). Always spent at least 3 months previous times, thus I know quite well the country.

But this time, I might come back with my horny Asian GF as it's easy for her to get 3 months tourist VISA (renewable for 3 months).

Questions are:

- What about the actual vibes in Medellin with the crisis / covid-19/ etc. In brief, what should I expect most different from last time I was around? (Mid-2017).

- Is there a good swinger community in Medellin? Never been into it before (although attracted for sure). I would imagine so. Any popular apps? Is there actual legal clubs for this?

- Last but not least, she probably might try some web caming while in Colombia. As long as done cleverly and discreetly, there is no risks in doing that, right? Illegal in theory but everyone does it?

Feedback appreciated. Cheers!

[QUOTE=Chicafan;2572406]App is DIDI-Rider?[/QUOTE]DiDi. I'm pretty sure it's just DiDi and its stylized like this when you look for the app.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2572315]If tequila is sold at this discount store then it is more common than you think. The convenience store "D1" which is everywhere sells cheap Tequila 750 ML for 40,000 COP / 3600 = $11.11. I buy Irish Cream Whiskey 750 ML at Justin and Bueno convenience store for 25,000 COP / 3600 = $6. 94.[/QUOTE]I have a Tienda D1 store around the corner from where I live, and I tried the brand of Tequilla they sell, and it actually is a lower proof at 35% versus 40% and tastes terrible.

[QUOTE=HotelAl;2572467]Could someone please recommend a nice comfortable girl friendly hotel in Medellin? Close to the action and nice property. I am fluent in Spanish so the language is no issue.

This will be my first time in Colombia but am a seasoned traveler. Please give me the top 5 hotels.

Gracias.[/QUOTE]This is just my list but there are be others: (incl some nice airbnbs).

Mansion (Google search Hotel Medellin Plaza), not on [URL]booking.com[/URL] (putas on site).

Hotel Dorado La 70 (in Laureles, 4-5 stars, great breakfast and my fav, chica friendly).

Hotel Haven (in the heart of Poblado, can walk to parque lleras. Didn't stay there yet but chica friendly, free breakfast, my next to try).

San Peters Apartment (in laureles, chica friendly apt near la 70, good rep, no free breakfast).

Hotel Nutibara (in Centro / Downtown, not near cheesy tourist craps. Heavy traffic, loud noises, cheap and chica friendly, 100's of putas within steps, and free desayuno).

Enjoy. I'm going to make landfall this Sat, will be there nearly a Month, PM to hang cause I'll be a lonely lone soldier in puta land LOL.

I just got back recently from an 7 night stay in Medellin. Overall it was a good learning experience. Before going, I read the board but didn't take detailed notes (like I did for a prior trip to Bangkok). I felt like things have changed quite a bit since covid and I arrived a few days after all restrictions had been lifted, so some of the information didn't apply.

Background: 40 ish, African American, very limited Spanish, frequent traveler, from the States. About 2-3 weeks before traveling I signed up for SA and I began using Tinder. I had about 5-6 contacts lined up before I touched down.

Day 1.

I land in Medellin. Immigration was hell. Apparently 3 planes landed at the same time. It took 2-3 hours to get through the lines. I secure a taxi to my apartment in El Poblado. I went through airbnb and made sure I knew the rules for visitors before booking. Very secure building with a guard downstairs 24 hours. A few hours after getting settled in, it begins to rain. It's late, dark, I don't know my way around yet, so I take the safe route and just order food in and relax alone.

Day 2.

I had a few of my SA contacts wanting to meet up ASAP. So I set up a lunch date with one of them and a dinner date with the other. That morning I go walk around, go to the grocery store, stock up. I meet a candy girl outside of the grocery store. Despite her limited English and my limited Spanish we chat for about 5-10 minutes. She helps me get a taxi back to my place. For lunch I meet my SA chica at some small shopping center across from Santa Fe mall. We have lunch and then walk over to the mall to walk around. She's walking close and holding my arm. We make plans to spend the next day together as it's getting close to my dinner plans. Dinner plans I meet the 2nd chica from SA. She comes over, we go take a taxi to LLeras. We have dinner, go to a bar and then to club Gusto. Gusto didn't have many single girls in there. A lot of guys and couples. After Gusto she asks me if I want her to come back to my place. So we go back to my place, she tells me I can have all of her for 325. I laugh out loud. We negotiate to 225 plus cost of uber. She was young, very cute. But under the covers it was terrible. I rate it a 2/10. She has experience but we were out of rhythm. Finished off and sent her on her way. Before she left she was trying to secure plans for us to meet again the next day. I blew her off.

Day 3.

I meet my lunch chica from yesterday. We go on a tour together. I forgot to mention, the day before, at lunch, she said she needed help. She was embarrassed to ask but she needed 300 to help pay rent. We have lunch, do a tour and then back to my place. Gave her 250 and knocked her down. She was much better than the chica from the night before. I'd say a 6/10. I sent her on her way and of course it started raining again. I was tired from the tours so I ordered in and ate alone.

Day 4.

My first trip to Centro. What a site. Like a scene from a movie. All of the locals selling any and everything. Chicas lined up everywhere. Now, here's where my limited Spanish was an issue. I couldn't just walk up and talk to a chica. Because I was in public and didn't want to pull out my phone to assist, for fear of being an easy target. I saw many non-appealing women but there were a few nice ones. So after making a couple of laps and seeing the talent, smiling, winking, making eye contact, I post up. An older Venezuelan approaches and she knows a little English. We chat for about 30 minutes. She gives me a tutorial on the hotels and the girls. We exchange whatsapp and I give her a propina (tip) for assisting me. With the knowledge in hand, I start back walking. After getting another chica's whatsapp I see this beautiful little chica standing alone. She is gorgeous! I break all the rules, approach and pull my phone out to translate. We talk for about 10 minutes and I'm making her laugh. We finally go to the nearby hotel. It's 10 for the hotel for 45 minutes. And the chica is 40. She showers, takes off her clothes and we handle business. She's a 8/10 under the covers. I get her whatsapp and then head out. That night I stay in because I have to work the next two days. Thought about some of the online options but all the posts were so filtered that I didn't want to take the risk.

Day 5.

I have to work during the day. I'm still working my SA and Tinder contacts. Communicated with a lot of chicas and made a couple of plans that fell through. But I meet a Venezuelan on Tinder and she sends me pics of 4 girls and asks me which one I want. I set something up for that evening. Because she didn't have ID or passport we had to meet at a nearby hotel. It was a struggle checking in as my Spanish hindered me. Meet the chica, she's cute, nice body. Paid 200, she was a 6/10 under the covers. Finished and went back to the apartment. She was trying to secure plans for a future meet but I blew her off.

Day 6.

Had to work during the day. The day before, I was becoming a bit bored. One of my SA chicas who lived in Bogota told me she wanted to introduce me to a friend of hers. She said the friend needed help. She said the friend would come and stay with me for the rest of my stay. Sent pics and the girl was beautiful. I said what the hell, she can come and stay for two days. So I set it up and she arrived after I finished working. She looked like her pics. Beautiful, model quality, a true head turner. We went out to eat, went to the mall. Later went to Lleras to a few bars. Finally back to my place. First night she was shy, a 5/10 under the covers. No money exchanged.

Day 7.

I'm still with my beautiful chica. I book a tour and we spend the day seeing the sights. That night we go out and watch Colombia vs Venezuela at a bar in Lleras. What a great experience. Afterwards we go back to my place. This time she's care free. She's a 8/10 that night. In the morning I take her to the airport and send her on her way, no money exchanged at that time, but finally when she gets back home, she asks for help. She says she needs 200 for various needs. She was a nice girl and it was a reasonable request so I sent it to her.

Day 7 continued.

It's my last day / night and I'm tired. My uber driver, who I met the day before and begged to be my friend, suggested that he'd take me anywhere I wanted to go. I told him I was tired but I'd think about it. I go back to the apartment, rest and pack up. I get a message from the uber guy. He tells me that If I wanted girls he could take me out that night. So at 11 pm We head to Lleras. We walk around and he's basically my mouthpiece. We talk to many beautiful women. He's negotiating for me. Telling me what's good and what's not. I get a couple of numbers and we head to a strip club in El Centro. We sit, drink, talk to many chicas. There was this one young beautiful girl that I regret not seeing. After an hour I tell him to take me back to Lleras. It's raining, just a & hitty night. We get to Lleras, make a couple of rounds and I point out which one I want. Nice looking chica, probably 32, nice body. My driver negotiates and takes us to my apartment. We get out, he tells me to only giver her 150 and do not pay for her a taxi. I thank him, he tells me that he's my friend and that anytime I come, he will help me. I give him 50 for all of his help. He is delighted. Take the young lady to my room, do the deed, she's a 6/10. Give her the 150 and send her on her way.

Day 8.

2 hours a sleep then it's off to the airport with plans in mind to return.

My observations / insight.

After I secured plans for the chica to stay with me two days, that's when all of the Tinder contacts started making themselves available. At one point, I couldn't keep up. There were so many beautiful women wanting to meet up. I had to turn away at least 4-5 women. I will try the facebook route for my next trip. I think I got an equal amount of women off SA and Tinder. I can't really say I prefer one over the other.

I used uber for everything and didn't have any issues. It's linked to my paypal and I used that as the paying option. In the beginning I used a couple of taxis but I found them to be ripoffs. They would pre-set the meter when I got in. The chica from the second night cursed the driver out and refused to give him what it said on the meter. After that, I used uber without any issues.

I see the posts about whether Spanish is necessary. It's like jumping in an ocean, not knowing how to swim but having a life jacket on. Yes, the life jacket will keep you afloat, and yes, you'll be able to make it, slowly to where you need to go. But if you can swim, the ocean is yours. My limited Spanish helped me stay afloat (google translate was my friend). BUT had I known Spanish, I could have gone and talked to anyone I wanted. For my next trip, I will know Spanish. There's so many places I didn't explore, casas, clubs, online, etc. But I'd feel more comfortable exploring if I knew Spanish.

I broke some rules, went with my gut and I'm sure I could have negotiated in some instances, but it was a learning experience. I had so many other encounters that I left out because this is long enough. Candygirls, One legged women in Centro, the thug in Centro that was looking for trouble. It was a wild time but definitely worth it.

Ohhh and when I landed back in the states I had messages from the Lleras chica from the night before. Accusing me of giving her 2 counterfeit bills. I'm like, wtf, I got all of my money from the ATM. She tells me that I know her job and it's difficult for her and why would I do such a thing. I proceed to tell her no one else complained of money being counterfeit and that I found it ironic she got the only 2 counterfeit bills. She sent me a pic of two bills. Then she sent her information and told me to send her the money. I did a quick google search and saw where a guy from a few years ago stated that a Medellin ATM did give him counterfeit bills. But there was no way to tell if this chica was being honest. I told her I wasn't doing it but that when I came back, we could possibly see each other again.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2572271]On my previous phone, the app would run the battery down in a few hours. I learned to stop the app after I started the trip. I got a new phone and haven't had any problems with the app. Both phones are Android. So far, no extra apps have been loaded. I used the app on my new phone for a month during my previous trip and have been using it for the past week.[/QUOTE]And downloaded cabify and uber.

Zero issues.

Cabify is cheaper.

[QUOTE=Reggie1980;2572574]I just got back recently from an 7 night stay in Medellin. Overall it was a good learning experience. Before going, I read the board but didn't take detailed notes (like I did for a prior trip to Bangkok). I felt like things have changed quite a bit since covid and I arrived a few days after all restrictions had been lifted, so some of the information didn't apply..[/QUOTE]This was a really nice report you posted about your experience in Medellin and will hopefully provide some insight for others coming for the first time.

The only thing missing was about the woman with one leg in El Centro and how a guy might do her in doggie! LOL.

[QUOTE=Reggie1980;2572574]I just got back recently from an 7 night stay in Medellin. Overall it was a good learning experience. Before going, I read the board but didn't take detailed notes (like I did for a prior trip to Bangkok). I felt like things have changed quite a bit since covid and I arrived a few days after all restrictions had been lifted, so some of the information didn't apply.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing your day to day account.

I'm headed to Medellin in a couple of weeks. I have been mining on SA and Facebook. Plus reading this forum everyday in preparation for my trip. Your insights have helped me and I appreciate you taking the time to share.

[QUOTE=BeachBumCeo;2572660]Thanks for sharing your day to day account.[/QUOTE]Thank you sir. Your first post and you did not feel the need to quote the entire report in order to say a couple of lines. Now let's see who will be the first senior member to come along and quote the entire thing to say great report.

[QUOTE=Mike6911;2572259]Everyone I know in Colombia has didi and nobody has ever had any problems with malware, etc.

Strange.[/QUOTE]But maybe its semi random? Or a 3rd party culprit, piggybacking?

If you put it on every download, would that not be blatantly apparent to everyone?

If I was someone who did it I would put on less than 1%, so sum fools could easily attribute it to anything else.

Any kind of reviews or any kind of inside information you could give me would be helpful, I have a couple of open-minded Colombiana girlfriends that might want to try it. I'm experienced with swing clubs in the states. My Spanish is okay I can get by. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Reggie1980;2572574]I just got back recently from an 7 night stay in Medellin. Overall it was a good learning experience. Before going, I read the board but didn't take detailed notes (like I did for a prior trip to Bangkok). I felt like things have changed quite a bit since covid and I arrived a few days after all restrictions had been lifted, so some of the information didn't apply.

Background: 40 ish, African American, very limited Spanish, frequent traveler, from the States. About 2-3 weeks before traveling I signed up for SA and I began using Tinder. I had about 5-6 contacts lined up before I touched down.

Day 1.

I land in Medellin. Immigration was hell. Apparently 3 planes landed at the same time. It took 2-3 hours to get through the lines. I secure a taxi to my apartment in El Poblado. I went through airbnb and made sure I knew the rules for visitors before booking. Very secure building with a guard downstairs 24 hours. A few hours after getting settled in, it begins to rain. It's late, dark, I don't know my way around yet, so I take the safe route and just order food in and relax alone..[/QUOTE]1st time I tried to buy something at a bodega on Calle 22 and she starts yelling really loudly "falso falso falso falso falso falso".

Ok give it back, she didn't want to give it back I started yelling, so she gave it back not sure if I got them from the Davivienda ATM at Mallplaza or where?

But I had the issue a few times LOL.

I didn't care, just hand on to somebody else LOL.

Cautionary tale alert. There is a lot of monopoly money in SF jajajajajaa.

Just don't ask me the difference.

[QUOTE=Reggie1980;2572574]I just got back recently from an 7 night stay in Medellin. Overall it was a good learning experience. Before going, I read the board but didn't take detailed notes (like I did for a prior trip to Bangkok). I felt like things have changed quite a bit since covid and I arrived a few days after all restrictions had been lifted, so some of the information didn't apply.[/QUOTE]Hey Reggie1980,

Thanks for the great detailed report. I've got a trip planned early August and this is a great report to refer to while I prepare. I've decided to start sourcing via Tinder's global location add on. Is there anything you would do different about your trip if you were to do it again or that you'd do different for your next trip now that you've got your first trip under the belt?

In regards to finding a guest friendly airbnb did you reach out to hosts prior to booking to clarify or if they didn't explicitly state it in their rules, did you assume that guests are allowed?

[QUOTE=Reggie1980;2572574]I just got back recently from an 7 night stay in Medellin. Overall it was a good learning experience. Before going, I read the board but didn't take detailed notes (like I did for a prior trip to Bangkok). I felt like things have changed quite a bit since covid and I arrived a few days after all restrictions had been lifted, so some of the information didn't apply.

Background: 40 ish, African American, very limited Spanish, frequent traveler, from the States. About 2-3 weeks before traveling I signed up for SA and I began using Tinder. I had about 5-6 contacts lined up before I touched down.

Day 1...[/QUOTE]This might be a stupid question, but just curios. When your telling us the cost, are you talking pesos or dollars. Please tell me its pesos?

You handled your business like a seasoned pro.

[QUOTE=Reggie1980;2572574]I just got back recently from an 7 night stay in Medellin. Overall it was a good learning experience. Before going, I read the board but didn't take detailed notes (like I did for a prior trip to Bangkok). I felt like things have changed quite a bit since covid and I arrived a few days after all restrictions had been lifted, so some of the information didn't apply.

Background: 40 ish, African American, very limited Spanish, frequent traveler, from the States. About 2-3 weeks before traveling I signed up for SA and I began using Tinder. I had about 5-6 contacts lined up before I touched down..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2572524]This is just my list but there are be others: (incl some nice airbnbs).

Mansion (Google search Hotel Medellin Plaza), not on [URL]booking.com[/URL] (putas on site).

Hotel Dorado La 70 (in Laureles, 4-5 stars, great breakfast and my fav, chica friendly).

Hotel Haven (in the heart of Poblado, can walk to parque lleras. Didn't stay there yet but chica friendly, free breakfast, my next to try).

San Peters Apartment (in laureles, chica friendly apt near la 70, good rep, no free breakfast).

Hotel Nutibara (in Centro / Downtown, not near cheesy tourist craps. Heavy traffic, loud noises, cheap and chica friendly, 100's of putas within steps, and free desayuno).

Enjoy. I'm going to make landfall this Sat, will be there nearly a Month, PM to hang cause I'll be a lonely lone soldier in puta land LOL.[/QUOTE]Thank you so much MaddTraveler, I really appreciate your info!

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2572524]This is just my list but there are be others: (incl some nice airbnbs).

Mansion (Google search Hotel Medellin Plaza), not on [URL]booking.com[/URL] (putas on site).

Hotel Dorado La 70 (in Laureles, 4-5 stars, great breakfast and my fav, chica friendly).

Hotel Haven (in the heart of Poblado, can walk to parque lleras. Didn't stay there yet but chica friendly, free breakfast, my next to try).

San Peters Apartment (in laureles, chica friendly apt near la 70, good rep, no free breakfast).

Hotel Nutibara (in Centro / Downtown, not near cheesy tourist craps. Heavy traffic, loud noises, cheap and chica friendly, 100's of putas within steps, and free desayuno).

Enjoy. I'm going to make landfall this Sat, will be there nearly a Month, PM to hang cause I'll be a lonely lone soldier in puta land LOL.[/QUOTE]Is Hotel Nutibara a roach motel? How clean is it and are there roaches?

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2572908]Is Hotel Nutibara a roach motel? How clean is it and are there roaches?[/QUOTE]It's not a motel but a hotel with several floors. Go to Google street view it towers over the Metro. I stayed there once and it seemed very dark and musty at least in the room I had. It's a very old Hotel, but my bet is that there are some killer rooms within the Hotel with nice views. Perhaps go to Trip Advisor and read the reviews for some room tips if your contemplating staying there.

[QUOTE=FatOldGringo;2572709]Any kind of reviews or any kind of inside information you could give me would be helpful, I have a couple of open-minded Colombiana girlfriends that might want to try it. I'm experienced with swing clubs in the states. My Spanish is okay I can get by. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I don't know if you understand Spanish but this guy has a review on one. The name of the place is La Psicina Club Swinger.

[URL]https://youtu.be/08asA4DJX-8[/URL]

[QUOTE=ErrolFlynn;2572397]Jimmy's a cool guy. A number of years ago he took me out to Finca Napoli along with a hottie from the Mansion. We all had a thoroughly great time and Jimmy's English is excellent (he was a gypsy driver in NYC if I remember correctly) His car at that time knid of suckedd, but hopefully he has upgraded. Good family man, but no juefgrmernt. In other words, Colombian, but seaks English.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.facebook.com/jimmy.giraldo.77[/URL]

Looks like Jummy has a new car!

Hey reggie. I'm glad you had a great experience. As someone who is still learning Colombian Pesos, the commas tend to throw me off a bit. Are the prices you mention in Pesos or Dollars? Example 225 K?

[QUOTE=Reggie1980;2572574]I just got back recently from an 7 night stay in Medellin. Overall it was a good learning experience. Before going, I read the board but didn't take detailed notes (like I did for a prior trip to Bangkok).

Day 2.

So we go back to my place, she tells me I can have all of her for 325. I laugh out loud. We negotiate to 225 plus cost of uber. She was young, very cute. But under the covers it was terrible. I rate it a 2/10. She has experience but we were out of rhythm. Finished off and sent her on her way. Before she left she was trying to secure plans for us to meet again the next day. I blew her off.

Day 3.

I meet my lunch chica from yesterday. We go on a tour together. I forgot to mention, the day before, at lunch, she said she needed help. She was embarrassed to ask but she needed 300 to help pay rent. We have lunch, do a tour and then back to my place. Gave her 250 and knocked her down. She was much better than the chica from the night before. I'd say a 6/10. I sent her on her way and of course it started raining again. I was tired from the tours so I ordered in and ate alone.
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Thanks again for taking the time to write this terrific report. It was fun to read. I would love to hear the rest of the Centro stories.

[QUOTE=Reggie1980;2572574]I just got back recently from an 7 night stay in Medellin. Overall it was a good learning experience. Before going, I read the board but didn't take detailed notes (like I did for a prior trip to Bangkok). I felt like things have changed quite a bit since covid and I arrived a few days after all restrictions had been lifted, so some of the information didn't apply..[/QUOTE]

1 million percent it is in pesos. If he paid 225 USD (850 K), he should be banned from mongering LOL.

[QUOTE=Curry;2572938]Hey reggie. I'm glad you had a great experience. As someone who is still learning Colombian Pesos, the commas tend to throw me off a bit. Are the prices you mention in Pesos or Dollars? Example 225 K?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2572908]Is Hotel Nutibara a roach motel? How clean is it and are there roaches?[/QUOTE]To my knowledge no roaches; only problems with the shower (too hot or cold) and the noise.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2572908]Is Hotel Nutibara a roach motel? How clean is it and are there roaches?[/QUOTE]I just spent 7 nights there.

Pay a few extra dollars a night and get the top floor room with king size bed.

Has a big TV and balcony.

It's not luxurious, but not a roach motel either, LOL.

Great AC, I had no problems with the shower or hot water.

No problem with bringing girls with ID either.

They don't even register them, they just hold their ID til they leave.

It's just very convenient to Botero.

Not a great area after dark obviously, however, the hotel is very safe.

Had a great week in Medellin!

Heading to Brazil tonite!

Centro was a blast, more Vennies than ever!
Some obvious very young ones too.
Avoid, and be careful with that.

Hooked up with a few special previous girls, met a bunch of new ones!

Pretty safe till after about 8 pm, then I'm out of there!

Keep your eyes open tho, even daytime.

Most of the hot ones in Centro, I saw in Parque Lleras as well, LOL.
Even some not so hot ones, lol.

I bought a few of them burgers in Lleras, they laughed about charging so much there in Lleras, but liked it obviously.

I'd see them the next day in Botero, back to normal pricing, LOL.

Enjoy!

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2572908]Is Hotel Nutibara a roach motel? How clean is it and are there roaches?[/QUOTE]It's a nice enough hotel, the rooms are actually spacious, and some open on to a balcony (where you could easily plunge to your death in El Centro). It just doesn't have any services- a pretty pathetic excuse for a restaurant that closes early, a bar that closes even earlier, and no room service.

I landed 2 days ago on pussyland and has been amazing so far.

Little context, it's my second time here, speak native Spanish, know the ways around Colombia and hopefully look Latino. First time it was all about parque Lleras and some Facebook and didn't work out really well as I got the junky kind of type of girls out of facebook. These girls are all about the tussi and would not give a good service, all they want is to buy them some more tussi and keep going.

This time I was expecting to be all in on Casas as I've seen some good talent there but it wasn't actually needed as FB worked out good this time. To me the key was that I started recruiting talent months in advance and I only added girls I would actually fuck. I also kind of have different speech depending if the girl is super hot or just normal hot. If it is super hot I would actually message them out of my real FB and it worked. I always tell them 'Siempre pago 150 mil mas taxis', some of them accept or ask for 200 mil mas taxis maximum. This girl for example [URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100039912160635[/URL] charged me 200 mil mas + taxis and stayed for a couple hours. She was into tussi and actually offered some for free if you are into it. Good sex, bareback oral and prolly if you get her really high or drunk could also fuck w / o condom, I didn't.

Another beauty I fucked is this one [URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100013174540823[/URL] , she has an onlyfans account and was also really good. Bareback sex for 200 mil mas taxis and told me wanted to repeat.

I've been averaging 3 a day being all facebook girls. Looking forward to the weekend so I can actually have one all night. Will keep posting. Message me if you want more tips or contacts. As it have been said so many times, you can actually see the girls I shard and add their contacts.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2572913]It's not a motel but a hotel with several floors. Go to Google street view it towers over the Metro. I stayed there once and it seemed very dark and musty at least in the room I had. It's a very old Hotel, but my bet is that there are some killer rooms within the Hotel with nice views. Perhaps go to Trip Advisor and read the reviews for some room tips if your contemplating staying there.[/QUOTE]Roach Motel is just an expression. I know the Hotel well. Pass by there probably once a week. I often catch my Didi from there, if I am in the area.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2573046]I just spent 7 nights there.

Pay a few extra dollars a night and get the top floor room with king size bed.

Has a big TV and balcony.

It's not luxurious, but not a roach motel either, LOL.

Great AC, I had no problems with the shower or hot water.

No problem with bringing girls with ID either.

They don't even register them, they just hold their ID til they leave.

It's just very convenient to Botero.

Not a great area after dark obviously, however, the hotel is very safe.[/QUOTE]OK good to know. I've often thought about getting a room there, just to get out of my apartment and have a convenient smash pad.

[QUOTE=Reggie1980;2572574]I just got back recently from an 7 night stay in Medellin. Overall it was a good learning experience. Before going, I read the board but didn't take detailed notes (like I did for a prior trip to Bangkok). I felt like things have changed quite a bit since covid and I arrived a few days after all restrictions had been lifted, so some of the information didn't apply.

Background: 40 ish, African American, very limited Spanish, frequent traveler, from the States. About 2-3 weeks before traveling I signed up for SA and I began using Tinder. I had about 5-6 contacts lined up before I touched down.

Day 1.

I land in Medellin. Immigration was hell. Apparently 3 planes landed at the same time. It took 2-3 hours to get through the lines. I secure a taxi to my apartment in El Poblado. I went through airbnb and made sure I knew the rules for visitors before booking. Very secure building with a guard downstairs 24 hours. A few hours after getting settled in, it begins to rain. It's late, dark, I don't know my way around yet, so I take the safe route and just order food in and relax alone.[/QUOTE]Very nice report Reggie. Can you please share the AirBnb link or approximate location? It is getting hard to find AirBnB that allows guests!

[QUOTE=Balboa;2573046]I just spent 7 nights there.

Pay a few extra dollars a night and get the top floor room with king size bed.

Has a big TV and balcony.

It's not luxurious, but not a roach motel either, LOL.

Great AC, I had no problems with the shower or hot water.

No problem with bringing girls with ID either.

They don't even register them, they just hold their ID til they leave.

It's just very convenient to Botero.

Not a great area after dark obviously, however, the hotel is very safe.[/QUOTE]It looks like a prison on the outside but it seems to be a great headquarters / smashpad for the El Centro hotties. Thanks.

I was kind of iffy on seeking out tinto girls until I saw Gabriela (11:47 of the video). Anyone bring her back to el hotel?

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOIrGWoODO8&list=PLscboGEsrDBjan8MLBhX0GVsJCvnJsPxj&index=3&t=793s[/URL]

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2572215]The AC is ice cold, the rooms are huge, and the king size beds are firm. And you are across the street from Botero Park and Ground Zero, at one of the safer spots (traffic wise) to cross that street...[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot!

The video looks like it was recorded at San Ignacio plaza. That not a place tinto vendors would go to get side money. Across la Oriental at Parque Berrio is easier pickings.

I don't mean to offend anyone but I have about had it with the growing horde of youtubers and their rotating cell phone holders they swivel around and shove in people's faces. They make me nervous when I see them in a barrio or around Centro because it's just a matter of time before some of them get jacked for their expensive gear. That is something I would rather not see and something I would rather not happen but it is going to happen more and more now that there are so many of them. I think it will run its course the way shooting video of concerts through cell phones instead of watching concerts ran its course. This is a more dangerous fad.

[QUOTE=JoeRoc;2573190]I was kind of iffy on seeking out tinto girls until I saw Gabriela (11:47 of the video). Anyone bring her back to el hotel?

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOIrGWoODO8&list=PLscboGEsrDBjan8MLBhX0GVsJCvnJsPxj&index=3&t=793s[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2572162]It's amazing how people don't know the difference between shit and shinola (shoe polish) due to no fault of their own, and good advertising campaigns.

You take Jose Cuervo tequila which is widely promoted, and how the hell are most Colombians going to know whether the quality is any good, no different than the Certified Angus Beef sold in Colombia at such a high price.

And for most Colombians, just getting to drink Tequila is a luxury for them, and as far as Jose Cuervo, I use it in my Tequila Sunrises and Margaritas because it is cheap, however I would never do shots of it. And because I'm cheap, I would never use Patron to make a mixed Tequila drink.[/QUOTE]

Who are "most Colombians"? There are plenty of people in Colombia who are still riding high on the residuals of the Pablo Escobar days, and Colombia has always had a solid middle class as well as an upper crust. Many of them graduate from top American schools, and even more from prestigious institutions in South America and Europe. While there are plenty of poor folks, there are also more than enough Colombians that not only can afford Patron, but know that most of Patron's cache is marketing, and there are much better and far more expensive tequilas on the market. Tequila's not a popular drink in Colombia, though. The national drink is Aguardiente, also called guiero. They also grow some seriously good wines, every bit as good as those from Chile and Argentina. Colombians aren't ignorant, and South America isn't a stranger to beef production.

Buddy, you've got a lot of bad information. Check your gringo privilege at home.

Wednesday night I went out with a buddy to watch a couple games. When I returned home, Pinky was with the ex sports bar waitress (photos in Feb / Mar, I think). I was drunk and jumped in the jacuzzi but it was so fucking hot, I got out after two minutes. As the friend was preparing to leave, we started fooling around, and broke one of Pinky's 3 rules: sex in our master bed.

On the the title. Yesterday, I got 4 girls who said, "Not tonight, but I'm free tomorrow" - which led to Coin Slot getting the invite. She arrived before I got back home, and they were smoking and drinking. Well, fast forward past the jacuzzi party and trio. We're going to bed and Pinky starts crying. Coin Slot told her that she came to see me a couple weeks back when Pinky was with her family. Why?! I have no fucking idea. We'll see where this leads us. I have a couple buddies coming to town in 10 days, so if life is a downer in the next week, I might ship Pinky back to her pueblo and hit the reset button. I'm not saying that's the plan or that's my intention, but it is an option. RIP Coin Slot. Her pussy felt as tight as ever, last night, with Pinky sitting on my face and CS riding me. RIFP.

It seems like more of the off-the-radar semi-pros are more open with their exploits, these days. Maybe the pandemic, protests, shutdowns have taken their toll. I've seen some familiar faces at Gusto that weren't there prior.

Has anyone been to Dos Santos Cantina? It looks like a new Mexican restaurant in Provenza, CL 8 & Cr 33. I've seen a few Instagram hotties posting from there, recently. They have very Instagrammable decor, so you know it could become a hot spot, if it isn't already. Also, I noticed a party all night long on the top floor of what I think to be Hotel Diez. Anyone know if there is a bar / lounge upstairs or if that was a penthouse suite party?

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2573392]The video looks like it was recorded at San Ignacio plaza. That not a place tinto vendors would go to get side money. Across la Oriental at Parque Berrio is easier pickings.

I don't mean to offend anyone but I have about had it with the growing horde of youtubers and their rotating cell phone holders they swivel around and shove in people's faces. They make me nervous when I see them in a barrio or around Centro because it's just a matter of time before some of them get jacked for their expensive gear. That is something I would rather not see and something I would rather not happen but it is going to happen more and more now that there are so many of them. I think it will run its course the way shooting video of concerts through cell phones instead of watching concerts ran its course. This is a more dangerous fad.[/QUOTE]Flag it so that it gets demonetized. When it's demonetized, there's less incentives for them to post these videos on YouTube.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2573398]Who are "most Colombians"? There are plenty of people in Colombia who are still riding high on the residuals of the Pablo Escobar days, and Colombia has always had a solid middle class as well as an upper crust. Many of them graduate from top American schools, and even more from prestigious institutions in South America and Europe. While there are plenty of poor folks, there are also more than enough Colombians that not only can afford Patron, but know that most of Patron's cache is marketing, and there are much better and far more expensive tequilas on the market. Tequila's not a popular drink in Colombia, though. The national drink is Aguardiente, also called guiero. They also grow some seriously good wines, every bit as good as those from Chile and Argentina. Colombians aren't ignorant, and South America isn't a stranger to beef production.

Buddy, you've got a lot of bad information. Check your gringo privilege at home.[/QUOTE]According to worldbank, just over 50% of the Colombian population is below the international poverty line. Roughly translated that means most of the people in Colombia can't afford to drink tequila.

The national drink is aguardiente because it's cheap. Ask all those middle class Colombians if they like aguardiente and you'll get an almost unanimous "no", accompanied by a look of disgust.

As for the popularity of tequila in Colombia, I've never had a Colombiana offer to drink aguardiente with me and I've never had a Colombiana turn down an offer to drink tequila with me.

Granted, I'm not hanging out in Manrique or Popular, sitting on the street drinking with the people who are happy to make 15 k per day.

And unless they've recently relocated Miami, you might want to take all the "gringo privilege" bullshit you keep slinging around and shove it up your Boca Raton.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2573398]Who are "most Colombians"? There are plenty of people in Colombia who are still riding high on the residuals of the Pablo Escobar days, and Colombia has always had a solid middle class as well as an upper crust. Many of them graduate from top American schools, and even more from prestigious institutions in South America and Europe. While there are plenty of poor folks, there are also more than enough Colombians that not only can afford Patron, but know that most of Patron's cache is marketing, and there are much better and far more expensive tequilas on the market. Tequila's not a popular drink in Colombia, though. The national drink is Aguardiente, also called guiero. They also grow some seriously good wines, every bit as good as those from Chile and Argentina. Colombians aren't ignorant, and South America isn't a stranger to beef production.[/QUOTE]I didn't know Colombia was known for it's wines.

As good as wines from Argentina?

I thought Colombia was known for it's coffee and flowers, but wine?

So which wine varietals do they grow in Colombia, and any in particular you recommend, and where would you buy them.

[QUOTE=JoeRoc;2573190]I was kind of iffy on seeking out tinto girls until I saw Gabriela (11:47 of the video). Anyone bring her back to el hotel?[/QUOTE]If your shopping for a coffee girl, the largest concentration of them in El Centro can be found at the Parque Berrio Metro Station, specifically on the stairs leading up to the platform, and generally around that area and directly below.

As far as the girl in the video, there's dozens of them similar in shape and size to her selling coffee so no shortage of them, but not all of them go to the room.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2573392]The video looks like it was recorded at San Ignacio plaza. That not a place tinto vendors would go to get side money. Across la Oriental at Parque Berrio is easier pickings.

I don't mean to offend anyone but I have about had it with the growing horde of youtubers and their rotating cell phone holders they swivel around and shove in people's faces. They make me nervous when I see them in a barrio or around Centro because it's just a matter of time before some of them get jacked for their expensive gear. That is something I would rather not see and something I would rather not happen but it is going to happen more and more now that there are so many of them. I think it will run its course the way shooting video of concerts through cell phones instead of watching concerts ran its course. This is a more dangerous fad.[/QUOTE]Appreciate the info! I agree somewhat about the Youtubers, its extremely stupid of them to do. But because I haven't been to Medellin yet its helped me understand things like how to dress when I'm in El Centro and how the ladies look. Couple the visuals I get with Youtube and the info I get from this forum I feel well prepared when I finally do make the trip. The way I figure, I'm not the one putting myself in danger waving an expensive camera around, I hope that they're safe but if that's what they want to do I won't stop them. Also I PM'd you a message.

First time here. Did zero prep work. Don't speak a word of Spanish. I didn't realize how fucked I was until the immigration officer said something in half English and I could not understand until she wrote it down on paper. I'm in a hotel next to parque Lleras for the night. Just getting my bearings and getting some rest after a long flight. Tomorrow I'm checking into the mansion for several days. Will I be alright there or should I learn some basic Spanish? Also, any good casual restaurant recommendation near parque Lleras?

Thanks.

Planning my 5th trip later this year.

My cheap go to, 24 HR, Braza Pan behind Nutibara Hotel on the corner next to the Metro? (corner of Maracaibo & Bolivar).

My cheap seafood across from the SW corner of Parque Bolivar, Ostras Marbella? (Calle 54 & Carr 49).

My fav breakfast place on Carr 49, walking street Paseo Junin, Versalles Restaurante why Pasteleria?

And my fav higher end food in Centro:

Hacienda. Junin?

Cafe Colombo Credenza?

I think I already heard Botanko Bistro (next to Casa New Life) closed.

Also if they reopen Hotel Botero let me know! Will do Hotel Nutibara otherwise but I love the top floors in the Botero facing west, great view, good breeze and less noise up high.

Just got my Covid test results for my return to the US. Positive. I'm currently in quarantine at a hotel in Bogota. I've already informed everyone I was in close contact with, fortunately a small number of people.

For the record, I received my second dose of the Pfizer vaccine at the end of March. Before all the conspiracy theorists get started, the Pfizer vaccine is only 95% effective at preventing infection. Also due to some of my medications, my immune system is compromised.

As I noted before, I have been feeling pretty run down this entire trip. It is possible I was infected before I got here, and it's possible I was infected after arrival. At this point it's unknown.

Although I don't feel terrible, having to stay in a hotel room for 1 to 2 weeks isn't my idea of a good time.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2573459]As far as the girl in the video, there's dozens of them similar in shape and size to her selling coffee so no shortage of them, but not all of them go to the room.[/QUOTE]Thank you if I can find some tinto senoritas shaped like that I'm definitely going to give them my best offer.

[QUOTE=Daga2222;2573477]First time here. Did zero prep work. Don't speak a word of Spanish. I didn't realize how fucked I was until the immigration officer said something in half English and I could not understand until she wrote it down on paper. I'm in a hotel next to parque Lleras for the night. Just getting my bearings and getting some rest after a long flight. Tomorrow I'm checking into the mansion for several days. Will I be alright there or should I learn some basic Spanish? Also, any good casual restaurant recommendation near parque Lleras?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Make a left walk a couple blocks stay on left hand side of the street look for a bunch of moto bikes parked on the curb a good pizza spot, or lots of other restos in the area.

Its Sunday night try the woman with the crepe cart across from Gustos, get the pollo jamon queso and crema, if you're famished get 2 they are awesome!

"Just got my Covid test results for my return to the US. Positive. I'm currently in quarantine at a hotel in Bogota. ".

I know we had a bit of a flame war a few months back. I wish you a speedy recovery. Keep us updated on your health.

Dios Te Bendiga!

Judd.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2573511]Just got my Covid test results for my return to the US. Positive. I'm currently in quarantine at a hotel in Bogota. I've already informed everyone I was in close contact with, fortunately a small number of people.

For the record, I received my second dose of the Pfizer vaccine at the end of March. Before all the conspiracy theorists get started, the Pfizer vaccine is only 95% effective at preventing infection. Also due to some of my medications, my immune system is compromised.

As I noted before, I have been feeling pretty run down this entire trip. It is possible I was infected before I got here, and it's possible I was infected after arrival. At this point it's unknown.

Although I don't feel terrible, having to stay in a hotel room for 1 to 2 weeks isn't my idea of a good time.[/QUOTE]This thread needs your continued input.

Please get well soon!

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2573503]My cheap seafood across from the SW corner of Parque Bolivar, Ostras Marbella? (Calle 54 & Carr 49).[/QUOTE]I know this place was recently open and doing very well.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2573511]Just got my Covid test results for my return to the US. Positive. I'm currently in quarantine at a hotel in Bogota. I've already informed everyone I was in close contact with, fortunately a small number of people.

For the record, I received my second dose of the Pfizer vaccine at the end of March. Before all the conspiracy theorists get started, the Pfizer vaccine is only 95% effective at preventing infection. Also due to some of my medications, my immune system is compromised.

As I noted before, I have been feeling pretty run down this entire trip. It is possible I was infected before I got here, and it's possible I was infected after arrival. At this point it's unknown.

Although I don't feel terrible, having to stay in a hotel room for 1 to 2 weeks isn't my idea of a good time.[/QUOTE]This is very disheartening to hear about. Hopefully you will find a Doctor in Bogota that can deem you cured and / or non-contagious in a short period of time allowing you to return. I got my second dose of the Moderna vaccine in February and upon returning to Medellin I was like a dog in heat riding the Metro when jam packed and banging away at ground zero in all the Love motels.

For me returning to the USA about ten days ago it was a sigh of relief getting a negative test result, and I would of freaked out if I had tested positive, and besides being stuck in Colombia I can only imagine the grief it must be casuing you at home.

For guys who have not been vaccinated, I strongly advise against coming to Medellin right now. I know there are some other BM's that are going to cry foul on this, but right now Colombia is surging with more daily infections than ever before, along with the new 'variants' which are wrecking havoc in other Countries, even those with high vaccination rates.

And who knows, there might even be more lockdowns, and I hope not. I'm looking at returning in a few weeks but if they start that again I'm not coming.

Any additional information you can share on what you have to do / go through to be allowed to re-enter the USA would be appreciated by all because your not the only one who's going to be in the same predicament, and hell, it might even be me next.

And again, sorry to hear about this and hope your home soon.

[QUOTE=Mahlerdota;2573102]I landed 2 days ago on pussyland and has been amazing so far.

Little context, it's my second time here, speak native Spanish, know the ways around Colombia and hopefully look Latino. First time it was all about parque Lleras and some Facebook and didn't work out really well as I got the junky kind of type of girls out of facebook. These girls are all about the tussi and would not give a good service, all they want is to buy them some more tussi and keep going.[/QUOTE]I'll be there in a little over 2 weeks, so I am working on building my Facebook list now. Thanks so much for the hot leads with pricing and details! It really simplifies it for someone like me! I appreciate it, and I look forward to your future updates!

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2573503]Planning my 5th trip later this year.

My cheap go to, 24 HR, Braza Pan behind Nutibara Hotel on the corner next to the Metro? (corner of Maracaibo & Bolivar).

My cheap seafood across from the SW corner of Parque Bolivar, Ostras Marbella? (Calle 54 & Carr 49).

My fav breakfast place on Carr 49, walking street Paseo Junin, Versalles Restaurante why Pasteleria?

And my fav higher end food in Centro:

Hacienda. Junin?

Cafe Colombo Credenza?

I think I already heard Botanko Bistro (next to Casa New Life) closed.

Also if they reopen Hotel Botero let me know! Will do Hotel Nutibara otherwise but I love the top floors in the Botero facing west, great view, good breeze and less noise up high.[/QUOTE]Versalles is open don't know about any of the rest of them.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2573511]Just got my Covid test results for my return to the US. Positive.

Although I don't feel terrible, having to stay in a hotel room for 1 to 2 weeks isn't my idea of a good time.[/QUOTE]JJbee,

Was this the antigen test or the PCR, the latter is I think more sensitive, and perhaps you best confirm with one before subjecting yourself to the quarantine from a false positive, as you said no vaccine is 100% effective but at least with respect to avoiding hospitalization and death it's pretty close to that. Also since you are vaccinated you may clear this faster than most, so retesting in 5-7 days is not unreasonable I would think, particularly if you don't have symptoms.

This literally is my big concern about travel there at this time where it's running rampant. It can easily ruin return travel plans.

I tried to order a washer and fridge online on the Colombian Homecenter website to have it delivered to my apartment right when I arrive in 3 weeks. I'm currently in California and I used my Chase credit card to pay for the items and I got an error message. I was thinking maybe it's the credit card, so I used my Colombian Bancolombia debit card instead and still got the same message. Is it because I'm in the USA and the website is not properly working like it would if I was actually in Colombia? Anyone here have experience with this? I plan on ordering all the big ticket items (furniture, mattress / bed frame, dining table / chairs) online and in advance of my trip so that when I land, the stuff will arrive within days of each other. I already booked a cheap place nearby for a few days while I gradually furnish the new apartment. BTW, lots of affordable stuff online through the Exito and Homecenter pages. I might even try to open an Exito credit card to get the extra discounts, but probably not since that process could be a hassle.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2573581]JJbee,

Was this the antigen test or the PCR, the latter is I think more sensitive, and perhaps you best confirm with one before subjecting yourself to the quarantine from a false positive, as you said no vaccine is 100% effective but at least with respect to avoiding hospitalization and death it's pretty close to that. Also since you are vaccinated you may clear this faster than most, so retesting in 5-7 days is not unreasonable I would think, particularly if you don't have symptoms.

This literally is my big concern about travel there at this time where it's running rampant. It can easily ruin return travel plans.[/QUOTE]It was the antigen test. I have enough symptoms now that I'm pretty sure it's not a false positive. I plan on getting retested in 5-7 days and hoping for the best.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2573051]Pretty safe till after about 8 pm, then I'm out of there!

Keep your eyes open tho, even daytime.

Most of the hot ones in Centro, I saw in Parque Lleras as well, LOL.
Even some not so hot ones, lol.

I'd see them the next day in Botero, back to normal pricing, LOL.

Enjoy![/QUOTE]Great advice. Both on the timeline for safety (basically get out of there when the sun sets). And "Why pay more for the same pussy?

I'm headed to Medellin the middle of July, so I appreciate your insights.

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;2573597]I'm currently in California and I used my Chase credit card to pay for the items and I got an error message. I was thinking maybe it's the credit card, so I used my Colombian Bancolombia debit card instead and still got the same message. Is it because I'm in the USA and the website is not properly working like it would if I was actually in Colombia? [/QUOTE]Try using a VPN to see if location is the difference.

Not many of the girls can speak EN at HM, but its not usually a problem to give a nudge and a wink. Those communications are universal and usually end you up in the bedroom in no time.

The staff though, mainly do speak EN, and of course all the guests do too (nearly all).

WRT to restos near Pqe Lleras. Just use Google Maps. There are doxens and dozens of restos within a few blocks, all walkable. Depends what type of food you want. I doubt my choices would be yours, but I love Zaaika (Indian), Dharma (veggie, great for lunch, near Pqe Poblado).

Chances are good that I will be in Poblado later today. Or centro. Haven't quite decided.

[QUOTE=Daga2222;2573477]First time here. Did zero prep work. Don't speak a word of Spanish. I didn't realize how fucked I was until the immigration officer said something in half English and I could not understand until she wrote it down on paper. I'm in a hotel next to parque Lleras for the night. Just getting my bearings and getting some rest after a long flight. Tomorrow I'm checking into the mansion for several days. Will I be alright there or should I learn some basic Spanish? Also, any good casual restaurant recommendation near parque Lleras?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;2573597]I tried to order a washer and fridge online on the Colombian Homecenter website to have it delivered to my apartment right when I arrive in 3 weeks. I'm currently in California and I used my Chase credit card to pay for the items and I got an error message. I was thinking maybe it's the credit card, so I used my Colombian Bancolombia debit card instead and still got the same message. Is it because I'm in the USA and the website is not properly working like it would if I was actually in Colombia? Anyone here have experience with this? I plan on ordering all the big ticket items (furniture, mattress / bed frame, dining table / chairs) online and in advance of my trip so that when I land, the stuff will arrive within days of each other. I already booked a cheap place nearby for a few days while I gradually furnish the new apartment. BTW, lots of affordable stuff online through the Exito and Homecenter pages. I might even try to open an Exito credit card to get the extra discounts, but probably not since that process could be a hassle.[/QUOTE]I strongly advise against ordering anything online in regards to furnishings and appliances. And it has nothing to do with being able to pay for the items. I have been thru the process, and your better off to physically touch / feel everything your thinking of buying. As an example you may have dimensions for a refrigerator, yet it might not be all that good, let alone the comfort of a mattress. Actually your best bet for appliances will be Exito or Jumbo as they typically discount everything on the weekends, and if in stock can be delivered the next day. As far as furnishings, there are several stores that can deliver within a few days and you can see how comfortable they are. What may fit your dimensions and look pretty in the pictures mat be horribly uncomfortable like a mattress. You could easily within one day of physically shopping at an EXITO / JUMBO and a furniture store like Jamar have everything within a few days. This is just my advice based on personal experience. Also, when buying in person, at some furnishing places, not EXITO or JUMBO, you can negotiate for extras and or discounts, I did this when buying mattresses. Good luck!

Wow the number of pregnant chicas, the vast majority of them vennies, out selling their prego tummies and heavily 'used' bareback pussy (hehehe) is startling and of which I have not observed anytime in the past 10 years in and around centro. Counted no less than 10 of varying degrees of tummy pop out.

It was slammed with action all around centro and Botero and the vera with probably the most people and putas and activity but again this was a Saturday afternoon.

The Tall Man.

I touched down yesterday and stayed at a hotel near parque Lleras. Today I check in to the mansion. Couple of thoughts about parque Lleras. It's extremely loud at night. Honestly all I really wanted was to get some rest after a long flight and a hotel near lleras was a huge mistake. Just loud as hell. I did end up going out at night and picking up a girl to bring back to my room. She was alright, not great, not bad. I paid her 100 k which I thought was reasonable.

I have to say that Lleras is really not my jam. Too many people, too loud, and I don't like the idea of having to go out and pick up girls (even if it's just telling them "how much? Let's go to my hotel") I would rather just be spoon fed girls straight to my room. Hopefully mansion delivers this.

How reliable is photoprepagos? I don't see it mentioned much on forums but if it works well that would ideal for me. I didn't get Facebook set up before coming but have started contacting girls now (not sure if it's going to work). I might try out some casas and massage places as well to mix it up, but I think I'm done picking up girls in lleras or centro.

[QUOTE=Daga2222;2573477]First time here. Did zero prep work. Don't speak a word of Spanish. I didn't realize how fucked I was until the immigration officer said something in half English and I could not understand until she wrote it down on paper. I'm in a hotel next to parque Lleras for the night. Just getting my bearings and getting some rest after a long flight. Tomorrow I'm checking into the mansion for several days. Will I be alright there or should I learn some basic Spanish? Also, any good casual restaurant recommendation near parque Lleras?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Once you get to the Mansion, just down the hill is La Strada Centro Comercial (Mall). I'm not sure what all is still open inside, but there is a Parmessano restaurant there which serves decent Italian food. There's also a Burger King.

Not far from there are the Oviedo and Santa Fe malls. Each has lots of different restaurants. Crepes and Waffles is pretty good and there's a location in both malls.

[QUOTE=Daga2222;2573477]First time here. Did zero prep work. Don't speak a word of Spanish. I didn't realize how fucked I was until the immigration officer said something in half English and I could not understand until she wrote it down on paper. I'm in a hotel next to parque Lleras for the night. Just getting my bearings and getting some rest after a long flight. Tomorrow I'm checking into the mansion for several days. Will I be alright there or should I learn some basic Spanish? Also, any good casual restaurant recommendation near parque Lleras?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Rather than Spanish, I am worried about organizing and decision-making skills. Foreign travel may not be for you.

Hey guys,

I'm preparing for my trip to Medellin in a few weeks where I plan to stay for a few weeks (3-4) and am currently in the process of meeting chicas from a combination of Tinder / SA and FB. My initial plan is to have around 20-30 watsapp contacts of chicas interested in meeting knowing that a percentage will flake along the way.

From anyone's past experience, how many prospects do you tend have going a trip and I'm curious what is the flake rate you can expect?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Daga2222;2573477]First time here. Did zero prep work. Don't speak a word of Spanish. I didn't realize how fucked I was until the immigration officer said something in half English and I could not understand until she wrote it down on paper. I'm in a hotel next to parque Lleras for the night. Just getting my bearings and getting some rest after a long flight. Tomorrow I'm checking into the mansion for several days. Will I be alright there or should I learn some basic Spanish? Also, any good casual restaurant recommendation near parque Lleras?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Why would you do that? Why would you go to a foreign country and not even consider learning some of the basics of the language? WTF is wrong with you people??

Quick intro.

I know I didn't properly introduce myself to the Forum so my apologies. I'm new here, from FL, early 40's, black dude, work in Finance + a day trader w few small biz. I've been to mult countries and picked up some Spanish from my adventures in the DR and Costa Rica. I've been to Colombia only a couple times before this trip so by no means I'm an expert quite yet even w my extensive experience in other countries.

MISC preparation.

- Took PCR test (Negative) although it was no longer a requirement. I wanted to ensure myself that I arrived clean. (Fully vaccinated w Pfizer).

- Check MiG is required or you won't be able to check in at the Airport (departure).

Chica preparation. SA, cupid, FB, tinder (deciding to retire from those, read on.)

- SA: Since I've had success with SA (seeking punto com) even in the states, I reinstated my membership couple weeks back and matched with at least 20 chicas daily when they add you as favorites. Lots of messages and I had at least 12 solid ones ranging from 8-10 that I each whatsapp with. But honestly SA is better in the states since our hobby is illegal there. So instead of taking risks with escorts, it's better to have a college beauty come spend the weekend in each for few hundred bucks. There are still risks and some scams but minimal as long as you don't send money to anyone upfront. In Colombia the game of the scammers is having their profile location in Medellin, then once you're communicating they're quick to say OH, I'm not in Medellin now, but if you invite me I will come join you, where obviously you must send her money for the trip and you'd just send some guy some free money somewhere. A couple of them said they didn't want money, only wanted to date and be pampered, even those I'm skipping since too suspicious.

- Cupid: Joined and had few matches, but cancelled / closed account and ceasing comm with all even real ones due to too many scams. This is now pure garbage, and I'm tired of chatting and falling in love with men pretending to me women w stolen pics LOL. Not worth it.

- Tinder / FB: I have about 200 fb beauties on an anonymous acct, all from Medellin mostly. But didn't contact any of them for this trip. I met some nice non-pros from Tinder last trip, but staying away from there this time around. Last trip was Dec 2020 and we had a curfew and made more sense to use those platforms then, but now I'm not seeing the need.

Airport arrival.

- Trip was slightly delayed from my departure, but worked out ok since I would've arrived too early for check in anyway.

- Medellin Airport was a breeze, approx 30 minutes in line.

- Once you pass immigration, luggage and custom, you can go upstairs before the exit to exchange money. The money exchanges downstairs were offering 3100, upstairs it's 3560 LOL, huge difference and.

It's close to what you can get at a good exchange in the streets. So I exchanged some of my stash there and went to find a taxi. Mafia asked for 100 k even though the going rate is 80 k. No biggie dude was.

Cool, we joked the entire trip, he has farms and small business trying to get rich. Took his number and paid him 120 k to show him I wasn't a cheap gringo after we got stuck in traffic ourselves.

Hotel and chica day 1. Arrival Sat 6/26.

- Ok this is the fun part. I usually stay in Poblado or Laureles. But since I'm here for 3 weeks, I only booked first week and decided to stay at Nutibara (845 k for 9 nights, double occupancy and can bring chicas at no fees). I booked it as such but during check-in they said it was for one, I negotiated and showed from booking what I requested and paid for, and they corrected it for no add'l charge (Great svc, thanks). I always stay in mult places on longer trips, why? Cause I'm partially nuts and get bored quickly. Got a nice room, high floor, glad to have a nice desk so I can work remotely (trading).

One of my fav hotel is Dorado la 70 which I might go to next week, but to do a quick comparison: Nuti has a safe where Dorado doesn't and it's big plus, hot water took 5 seconds vs Dorado which takes forever, Nuti is more chica friendly, breakfast just as decent, and can save on taxi roundtrips for the centro adventures which are within walking distance. I've been working from home like a cripple past few months, and can use the exercise, see people and walk around during the day. Besides Centro to me is the real Medellin, and I'm tired of feeling like a bank account especially in Poblado. Although my 3rd week I may spend few days there.

- So here we are, took a shower and updated few chicas I'm in town, even though I'm not feeling the vibe and planning to eliminate all of them later (Explained what happened below). Arranged for first SA chica to come at 8 p. She was the most friendly and most eager, solid 7.5 attitude 9. Meanwhile I went to two local bars, didn't write the names but had some ugly strippers, had one beer in each then left (5 k beer). Grabbed some food on a restaurant behind the hotel, food was good (12 k). It's now about 6 Pm.

- Back to room to nap. Now you might be thinking why stay in a dump comparing to the other fancy hotels and airbnbs in Medellin, also how could that impress the SA dimes? I have no pool, no jacuzzi, etc LOL. Well honestly, I cancelled some bookings on my previous plans to pamper some of these beauties. I did so after my overwhelming experience and aggression from many of them including the scam attempts, the lies, etc. WG are getting desperate.

I decided to make this trip different, yes I'm here with $5 k cash in hand plus a lot more that I can allocate, but I am tired of being a bank account. Meaning these girls put on a nice front, nice show, then really they aint worth shit. I know they're hoes and I'm not looking for love nor relationships. If I mention love here, I'm just screwing around and joking. I grew up and matured a lot since I became an investor, hence spending and doing wiser transactions even with hoes. For ex, many prev trip reports incl mine stated few Centro girls would charge 30 k, then put on some make up to charge 200 k in Lleras going after the suckers. Nothing wrong with that, just don't be that pappy chulo always. Why not spend half of your time in Gusto or Lleras, Isla or pricy girls, then other half with local down to earth girls that will ask for less at times? Yes Centro is not the safest and not for everyone, but it's not as scary as some make it seem honestly. These are mainly poor merchants in the streets trying to make a living. I just wanted to be around real people, see real life. Lleras to me is all fake, and all after my money. A pig with lipstick is still a pig LOL. Yes late at night I will go to lleras and will probably outspend you, and it's a fair balance to play the game.

Chica time.

- My date with first SA chica was to go have dinner, then go to lleras area for some drinks, dancing, then back to my place and she'd likely spend the night. No talk or discussion of money. It's one advantage of non pros on SA if you have the patience for it. Still going to eliminate it, but I must say it's still a valuable hunting source. So she's late, an hour late now. And it's past 9 Pm. I wrote her and said I'm leaving and to cancel, and then she claim she's 15 minutes away. Then 30 minutes later, 9:40 sh. Still no show, and said 15 minutes away again LOL. At that point I said this is it. I am DONE, AND DONE. That same rollercoaster happens each trip to many of us. I immediately decided I won't let any chica, who not only sees me as an ATM machine, to ruin my mood and vacation. Many others wanted to see me, and maybe I just chose the wrong one, oh well. I made it to Lleras alone, walkd around and found this beautiful blonde blanca. I had no chance (ya, a black man's kryptonite as they say). So I attempted to go the nearby Cabanas for two hours, but they only had deals for 6 hours 120 k, and another hotel in Lleras wanted 120 k for 1 hour, no gracias. I told taxi to take me to my hotel, and girl had askd for 200 k, but I offerd 150 k and acceptd. All smiles, very GFE and OMG she was sooo pretty, soft skin, already feeling a bonner and as I said. She had me.

Taxi cost from lleras back to Hotel incl stops at Cabana 14 k total, was one of the honest ones.

I expected to find SA chica waiting in lobby and she was. Wow. Almost two hours later, likely didn't have enough pesos for a trip back home. I walkd in, told Lleras chica to give me a min, walkd SA girl outside of Hotel lobby and askd her how much spent on taxi and how much to go back home. She said she don't know, she was very upset, almost about to cry. I said 80 k and she said sure but I gave her 100 k and she left. I really hated that, not just spending money for no reason, but the way some of these dumb bitches are. Told her clearly like 3 times to turn around and I'm not going to be there but she still came. I understand the need for money and the harsh times some of these are going through, unemployed, etc. So I can empathize even though I am not here to do charity, or maybe we are. The overall aggression and expectations sometimes is what gets me, and I know there are worse cases and this one could've really been stranded with no cash. It's better to not deal with someone who's too desperate or be in the unknown. This is why some guys negotiate everything and have everything in writing and I don't blame them.

It's the part of what I mean by being a bank acct, she prob spent 10 k to arrive and wanted to get paid for her time anyway, and wouldn't treat a local Colombian that way. So the more I can eliminate those events and me a foreigner being taken advantage of, the better. Which is I immediately blocked, deleted all other SA contacts, closed all accounts. I'm done with all online BS for now. I didn't block the other SA girls but removed all from contact list, and there's only one if she contacts me I might partake. Otherwise no more ONLINE BS or appointments.

- Llera chica was super freaky yet classy. She put on some nice raggaeton music, bluetooth to my speaker, danced, lap dance, then naked lap dance, super hard bonner. Then great BBBJ for at least 20 minutes. I don't go down on putas but I was tempted since she had a beautiful pussy. So we kissed a little, condom, missionary, sweet moans OMG she's feeling great. I almost nuttd but decided nah. Let's flip you around. Doggy it is and she likes it and moaning louder, turned around for kissing while in doggy. At this point I'm grabbing her and some hard pounding you know it's coming. LOL, then ohhhhhh shit here it is. Damn girl, that was some good shit, she smiled and didn't understand what I just said. We layed down and cuddled a bit. She dressed up and left. 150 K, 11 k propina for taxi. Look is Solid 8, performance 9.

Standby for day 2.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2573736]Wow the number of pregnant chicas, the vast majority of them vennies, out selling their prego tummies and heavily 'used' bareback pussy (hehehe) is startling and of which I have not observed anytime in the past 10 years in and around centro. Counted no less than 10 of varying degrees of tummy pop out.

It was slammed with action all around centro and Botero and the vera with probably the most people and putas and activity but again this was a Saturday afternoon.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]It's amazing how many pregnant Vennies are out there, and if you saw ten obvious pregnant ones, in another month there will be another ten out there.

A defnite field day for guys who like to bang pregnant Chicas.

And just think, these Chicas will be back within a few months of giving birth, and all the guys into lactating Chicas will be coming out of the woodwork to partake in them as well.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2573785]Which is I immediately blocked, deleted all other SA contacts, closed all accounts. I'm done with all online BS for now. I didn't block the other SA girls but removed all from contact list, and there's only one if she contacts me I might partake. Otherwise no more ONLINE BS or appointments.
Standby for day 2.[/QUOTE]I'm chatting with some girls online for my trip next month. Thank you for pointing out some common scam angles. I like having my first couple of dates set up before I get settled in. It has been well documented on this forum about the tardiness of the Colombian girls. I'm glad you put your foot down and left! Sucks you had to pay her to go away. But it's way better than causing a scene on your first night at the hotel!

Looking forward to your continued updates. I like your style!

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2573785]Quick intro.

I know I didn't properly introduce myself to the Forum so my apologies. [/QUOTE]Carry on. Enjoy.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2573778]Why would you do that? Why would you go to a foreign country and not even consider learning some of the basics of the language? WTF is wrong with you people??[/QUOTE]I did do some basic duo lingo a few days before and relying on Google translate beyond that. My go to phrases right now are "hola", "gracias", "cuanto cuesta", "ok", "vamos", and "no hablo Espanol" LOL. But yeah the problem is that I can't understand any conversation because of the accent and how fast people speak.

Am I going to need a copy of my passport to check into the ST motels in Centro? I normally don't bring my passport out of the safe with me from Poblado. Any tips on picking up girls in Centro? As a 6'3 white guy with blonde hair is there any hiding the fact that I'm a Gringo,. Thus if I show up in my shorts and t shirt will I be causing myself any undue trouble?

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2573837]It's amazing how many pregnant Vennies are out there, and if you saw ten obvious pregnant ones, in another month there will be another ten out there. A defnite field day for guys who like to bang pregnant Chicas.[/QUOTE]I damn sure was not planning on visiting Medellin this trip, but with this kind of arm twisting, I may have to pop in for 2 days.

Suspected factions strike Colombian president Ivan Duque's helicopter with gunfire during his flight.

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[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2573785]
I decided to make this trip different, yes I'm here with $5 k cash in hand plus a lot more that I can allocate, but I am tired of being a bank account. Meaning these girls put on a nice front, nice show, then really they aint worth shit. I know they're hoes and I'm not looking for love nor relationships. If I mention love here, I'm just screwing around and joking.

Standby for day 2.[/QUOTE]Cool report!

And I agree with your assessment, I'm on the same wavelength.

[QUOTE=MikeCct;2573776]From anyone's past experience, how many prospects do you tend have going a trip and I'm curious what is the flake rate you can expect?[/QUOTE]The majority of them will flake on you. Not to worry, only takes one or two girls you like to get the ball rolling. Tell them they can give your phone number out to their "friends. " You'll have your hands full in no time. Wash, rinse, repeat, and enjoy.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2573785]So she's late, an hour late now. And it's past 9 Pm. I wrote her and said I'm leaving and to cancel, and then she claim she's 15 minutes away. Then 30 minutes later, 9:40 sh. Still no show, and said 15 minutes away again LOL. At that point I said this is it. I am DONE, AND DONE.[/QUOTE]We hear a lot of talk here about "culture" and "going with the flow," but try leaving one of them waiting and see how fast your phone blows up, usually within a minute of the appointed time. I tell them all that if they are more than 30 minutes late that the appointment is automatically cancelled.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2573772]Once you get to the Mansion, just down the hill is La Strada Centro Comercial (Mall). I'm not sure what all is still open inside, but there is a Parmessano restaurant there which serves decent Italian food. There's also a Burger King.

Not far from there are the Oviedo and Santa Fe malls. Each has lots of different restaurants. Crepes and Waffles is pretty good and there's a location in both malls.[/QUOTE]Directly above Burger King is The Taco House which has burritos very similar to Chipotle and the guac is no upcharge LOL. It's one of my regular stops when I'm staying in Poblado. BTW the Burger King appeared to be closed all winter until I left in March anyhow.

[QUOTE=Ruddock1;2573874]Am I going to need a copy of my passport to check into the ST motels in Centro?[/QUOTE]The answer is no.

But I always carry a copy of my passport.

[QUOTE=Ruddock1;2573874]As a 6'3 white guy with blonde hair is there any hiding the fact that I'm a Gringo,. Thus if I show up in my shorts and t shirt will I be causing myself any undue trouble?[/QUOTE]Most people would disagree with my opinion. But if done correctly, it's fine. No problem.

If you look and sound like a tourist, then you will be treated like a tourist, so I say dress like a tourist (with shorts). These days, IMO, it's not too bad of a social faux pax. No one stares at you if you wear shorts.

People here say that you will be a target. But we're targets anyway. IF you are smart, it will be fine. I would only stay in the crowded areas and always Uber.

People here say that you will be overcharged. Most/all girls will not ask for a higher price because you are wearing shorts. Regardless, know the market and pay accordingly. That's why reading this forum has great benefits.

People here say that you will be targeted by the police. IMO, I don't think so. I don't think the police are targeting the tourists. Posters here complained about being searched. But were they dressed as locals? I never see the police target business looking guys with their sports jacket. I see the police target young, "street" looking guys. The cops point, and the guys don't say a word. No whining about rights. The cops search them, and then let them go. Note to whoever plans to carry party favors. The police ALWAYS check inside of your hat during a search.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2573778]...Why would you go to a foreign country and not even consider learning some of the basics of the language? WTF is wrong with you people??[/QUOTE]Not that easy my friend! Learning a new language is difficult for some, and too much work. There are so many translation apps around to take care of that, and they work well.

Having said that, I am one of those who enjoys picking up a new language, but I don't blame those who choose not to go through the hassle.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2573569]I know this place was recently open and doing very well.[/QUOTE]How could you know anything? You have never been to Colombia!

I usually do a couple of trips to Medellin every year, since 2013. This is my 2nd trip this year. Early on I used to eagerly sample different chicks, going for quantity over quality. Tried casas, FaseDos, La Isla, parque LLeras, and strip clubs in centro.

But for the past few years, I changed my MOP and now I look for quality over quantity. I use mostly FB chicks these days and when I find one I like I add her to my rotation. I have now about 8 girls in my rotation. Every trip or so, one is gone. I am also constantly looking for new blood, but only one or two per trip. I am very pleased with this new way of enjoying my chicks. I get more GFE, more services, and get to know the girls better. I have a rule of no money without service, I. E. No loans. I am willing to give more citas to a girl in needs instead. For example, I generally allow a girl to spend the night, thereby earning 2 citas worth of earnings.

On this trip, I went twice to parque LLeras. The first time, it was raining but I managed to find 2 cuties, but I had 2 citas that day and I was done. I got their contact, hoping to connect with them another time. The 2nd time there was no rain but I was not able to find any one interesting that night. It has been raining quite a bit and that made it pretty hard to monger in the park. I did not try Gusto this time, as the girls in there don't appeal to me that much. Dressed to kill but fakeness all over. I also did not try Fase Dos nor La Isla on this trip. I was pretty much tied up with my FB chicks and fairly satisfied with them. They kept me busy and I was happy with the results.

Sorry, no contact and no pics to share.

[QUOTE=Ruddock1;2573874]As a 6'3 white guy with blonde hair is there any hiding the fact that I'm a Gringo,. Thus if I show up in my shorts and t shirt will I be causing myself any undue trouble?[/QUOTE]Don't matter what you do, you are going to stick out and people will know you are not from there. Wear what you are comfortable in. I am a normal Black guy. Yesterday I was at the beach in Santa Marta. My entire body except for my head and neck was under the water. A 14 year old girl swam up to me and said, "What's up man? What's up bro?" Inside I was dying laughing but I said "Como?" Then she swam off like she was embarrassed.

A couple of minutes later she swam back over and I talked to her. I told her that I was in fact from the States. She seemed really smart and had her 5 year old brother along who could swim like a fish. My girl also had a conversation with her and found out they are really poor and do not even have electricity in their house.

I keep trying to put this blend in myth to bed. Now if a Black dude on the coast where all the Black Colombians are sticks out like a sore thumb with only his head sticking out of the water, really what chance is there for any foreigner walking the street to blend in?

I just bought my ticket from Pereira to Medellin a minute ago. I will be there from Friday until Monday. Almost booked a King Room at the Nutibara for $112 for those 3 days. Came back on here to do some more research though. I am used to only paying 35 K per day at a place I stay in right down the street. If anybody needs help braving downtown during that time then hit me up.

Think I might join you. I haven't done much trawling in MDE for a coupla years and am keen to explore some street life in Centro. 3 nights sounds like a plan. I have another friend here. Will ask him if he wants to join.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2574039]I just bought my ticket from Pereira to Medellin a minute ago. I will be there from Friday until Monday. Almost booked a King Room at the Nutibara for $112 for those 3 days. If anybody needs help braving downtown during that time then hit me up.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2574038]Don't matter what you do, you are going to stick out and people will know you are not from there. [/QUOTE]I quite like sticking out like a sore thumb. Makes you more approachable. I am not convinced that foreigners are targetted on the street. I think criminals will identify whoever they see as easy victims, doesn't matter where you are from. Vendors though are a different story.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2574038]I keep trying to put this blend in myth to bed. Now if a Black dude on the coast where all the Black Colombians are sticks out like a sore thumb with only his head sticking out of the water, really what chance is there for any foreigner walking the street to blend in?[/QUOTE]Señor Enternational,

Much truth in what you say, and an entertaining illustration of your point. That said, as a short guy and a gringo, with an anywhere from the Mediterranean type face, when in Medellin every couple of weeks or so I get stopped in the street by a native Paisa who asks me for directions--and then does a double-take when they hear my accent.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2574086]I quite like sticking out like a sore thumb. Makes you more approachable. I am not convinced that foreigners are targetted on the street. I think criminals will identify whoever they see as easy victims, doesn't matter where you are from. Vendors though are a different story.[/QUOTE]Foreigners, particularly North Americans and Euros are generally targeted more because they are considered wealthy and more likely to be carrying a good amount of cash and a nice phone. And when a phone and 100 bucks or so is nothing to that foreigner then they are seen as less likely to put up a fight over it. Go ahead and "stick out like a sore thumb" though. Do it your way as everyone ultimately makes their own decisions, while the more vocal posters have usually already made up their minds.

BTW there's middle grounds between fully blending in, which is near impossible for some, and loudly advertising what you are and where you're from. That's where you find common sense and good advice.

[QUOTE=Ruddock1;2573874]Am I going to need a copy of my passport to check into the ST motels in Centro? I normally don't bring my passport out of the safe with me from Poblado. Any tips on picking up girls in Centro? As a 6'3 white guy with blonde hair is there any hiding the fact that I'm a Gringo,. Thus if I show up in my shorts and t shirt will I be causing myself any undue trouble?[/QUOTE]Some of the ST hotels in El Centro, like the Premium Plaza or Calle Real will not allow you in unless you have an ID and your Chica does which they record in a log. Get a couple of color copies of your Passport and have them laminated to carry with you.

Unfortunately your going to stick out like a sore thumb in El Centro, so it really doesn't matter what you wear there. Just don't carry anything that your not willing to lose such as a USA smart phone, credit cards, or lots of cash. You won't need much money there anyways.

Your going to get a lot of attention in El Centro with the blond hair and being so tall, so be prepared for some Chicas, at least the ones that bang foreigners to give you the "eye", and a few may even approach you which is not the "norm" for the locals.

Rode my bike through Botero yesterday because it was actually a sunny day and I wanted to ride around town. It has been raining damn near everyday so it was good to get out. Talent was soso. Probably because it was Sunday and early afternoon.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2574038]Don't matter what you do, you are going to stick out and people will know you are not from there. Wear what you are comfortable in. I am a normal Black guy. Yesterday I was at the beach in Santa Marta. My entire body except for my head and neck was under the water. A 14 year old girl swam up to me and said, "What's up man? What's up bro?" Inside I was dying laughing but I said "Como?" Then she swam off like she was embarrassed.[/QUOTE]On the topic of beaches, any recommendations. I might hop to a coastal city since I'm itching for a beach view but none to be had here in Medellin. Is Santa Marta good? I heard Tayrona is where the nice beaches are at so maybe make a few day trips out of that?

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2574093]BTW there's middle grounds between fully blending in, which is near impossible for some, and loudly advertising what you are and where you're from. That's where you find common sense and good advice.[/QUOTE]I am not closed minded about it. I try to keep an open mind about things and follow the evidence. "Good advice" should follow the evidence too. I have been here 4 years without ever having a problem in the street, but I would be willing to change my opinion if anyone can show me evidence that foreigners are subject to more street crime than locals. I hear this a lot on social platforms but no one has ever demonstrated it. In fact, the available crime stats show that criminals target Centro and nearby areas, and not Poblado, where rich people and foreigners mostly stay. The opposite of what you allude to. So I just put it down to personal perception of risk until someone can show me otherwise.

I'll be back during the flower festival, does anyone have any recommendations on things to do during.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2574089]Seor Enternational,

Much truth in what you say, and an entertaining illustration of your point. That said, as a short guy and a gringo, with an anywhere from the Mediterranean type face, when in Medellin every couple of weeks or so I get stopped in the street by a native Paisa who asks me for directions--and then does a double-take when they hear my accent.[/QUOTE]Contrary to what many believe, lots of gringos can pass as Colombians when their mouths are shut. Not being tall, looking somewhat Mediterranean, no blond hair / blue eyes, and yes, some can blend in as long as they dress accordingly.

[QUOTE=DeepXliv;2574153]I'll be back during the flower festival, does anyone have any recommendations on things to do during.[/QUOTE]The antique car parade is pretty cool. Also a trip to Parque del Norte during the flower festival is interesting.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2574141]I am not closed minded about it. I try to keep an open mind about things and follow the evidence. "Good advice" should follow the evidence too. I have been here 4 years without ever having a problem in the street, but I would be willing to change my opinion if anyone can show me evidence that foreigners are subject to more street crime than locals. I hear this a lot on social platforms but no one has ever demonstrated it. In fact, the available crime stats show that criminals target Centro and nearby areas, and not Poblado, where rich people and foreigners mostly stay. The opposite of what you allude to. So I just put it down to personal perception of risk until someone can show me otherwise.[/QUOTE]Actually you have a better chance of getting robbed in Poblado versus El Centro and Paulie enumerated some of the reasons why foreigners are better targets than locals.

The reality of all of this is, and with you having four years of no incidents, is that you may become complacent, and when you least expect it, boom you get jacked up.

If anything I have learn't about Medellin in particular is, that you can never "let your guard down", as typically you will get jacked up when you least expect it as I'm mentioning again.

There have been countless reports of guys getting jacked on the Medellin thread over the years, myself included.

So my advice to everyone is again.

'Never let your guard down'.

And I'm not just talking about the street, but with the Chicas as well, and that's a whole other topic of it's own.

I monger in NYC and have been for a couple of years now. Sorry for my lack of respect points on this website but tbh this isn't my forte'.

Anyways, end of August I plan to travel to Colombia or DR strictly for mongering. I am a young guy, traveling solo most likely, speak Spanish, am Peruvian (so I blend in pretty well at least in Colombia), and going to carry $3000 total.

I am leaning towards Colombia because I prefer skinny women but a (expert) monger friend of mine says to try DR because its cheaper and things are closer together.

Taking covid restrictions into consideration, which country do you recommend with my ideals and budget?

I'm a little leas versed with Colombia. I don't know the chica prices. Is it expensive? Where should I land if I want to go to the beach as well? Are the beach and chicas mutually exclusive? I know in DR they come hand in hand. Hotel? Food? What are the prices for those in Colombia. I can defend myself so I don't worry too much about dangers of Colombia.

Anyways, thank you for your help!

As a trade, I can offer monger info on Peru, Lima.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2574102]Some of the ST hotels in El Centro, like the Premium Plaza or Calle Real will not allow you in unless you have an ID and your Chica does which they record in a log. Get a couple of color copies of your Passport and have them laminated to carry with you.[/QUOTE]I don't know if it changed or the person was in bad mood, but back in April the Premier Plaza didn't allow me in with laminated copy of passport (it never happened before), so since then I was using Zona Rosa.

[QUOTE=VsebudetNY;2574202]I don't know if it changed or the person was in bad mood, but back in April the Premier Plaza didn't allow me in with laminated copy of passport (it never happened before), so since then I was using Zona Rosa.[/QUOTE]I have a friend who had the same experience as you and he won't patronize the place. Seems as though maybe in the past a newer staff person might not have been instructed as to what to accept at the time, but I have never had a problem with a photocopy only of my ID. And it seems as though up until recently they didn't even keep a written log of short time guests either. And as your aware, Zona Rosa doesn't even check ID's as long as the Chicas appear to be of legal age, at least that has been my experience there, but I'm a preferred customer as I tip all the help 1,000 Pesos each, and when I check in with one of my skanks, they automatically given me a second towel and bar of soap without asking. LOL.

[QUOTE=DeepXliv;2574153]I'll be back during the flower festival, does anyone have any recommendations on things to do during.[/QUOTE]I was there 2-3 years ago. Cool event. Go to the botanical gardens and to the flower farm in Santa Elena. Lots of events -street fairs, parades, the classic car parade etc all over town for a week or so. Day and Night. Your hotel front desk or Air BNB host will know where things are happening.

One day, I met up with a Tinder girl at the Botanical Gardens-its right off the Metro, so made it easy to met up, check our vibe, and decide if we wanted to hang out. She was a total babe-better in person than in photos and she could maintain a conversation with me in Spanish. A rare good tinder experience that turned into an all nighter with her sexy 'friend' meeting up with us that evening LOL. Made me like the flower festival.

Centro Comercial Santa Fe and some of the other malls had cool flower displays and flowers all around. Like I said, your hotel front desk people or airbnb host will let you know where / when events related to the festival are happening.

There were an insane amount of people at the classic car parade and at the main flower parade when I was there--like everyone packed into each other crazy tight in the streets everywhere--it was funny and ridiculous how crowded some events were-I don't know how that works or could happen this year--especially with the lack of vaccines in Colombia so far.

First time in Medellin. Just visited Loutron and holy shit. It's expensive but definitely a must visit at least once. The way they have the line up of girls come out and present themselves is something out of a fucking movie. Every girl either a 8, 9, or 10. It's about double the cost of a standard lay in Poblado and not exactly GFE, but I can finally say I fucked a solid 10. I really don't think it can get much better.

If the girls provided full GFE, I would not look twice at the price. This is my type of mongering. No BS. No wasting time searching for a decent looking girl, or waiting for a girl who shows up 2 hours late. Just solid 10's quite literally fucking spoon fed to you. Wow.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2574177]
So my advice to everyone is again.

'Never let your guard down'.
[/QUOTE]I don't disagree with you at all. I am a potential target like everyone else and I always have my eyes open. But I don't believe I am any more of a target for being a foreigner, that's all. *kisskiss*.

[QUOTE=Swann124;2574198]I am leaning towards Colombia because I prefer skinny women but a (expert) monger friend of mine says to try DR because its cheaper and things are closer together.

Taking covid restrictions into consideration, which country do you recommend with my ideals and budget?

I'm a little leas versed with Colombia. I don't know the chica prices. Is it expensive? Where should I land if I want to go to the beach as well? Are the beach and chicas mutually exclusive? I know in DR they come hand in hand. Hotel? Food? What are the prices for those in Colombia. .[/QUOTE]I prefer Santa Marta in Colombia. Its cheaper all round, its got great beaches, plenty of chicas, everything in walking distance, safer. In fact it makes up for lots of the advantages that DR would have over MDE.

I imagine downtown MDE is similar price to Santa Marta, but TBH I know where I would rather spend a holiday. By the beach, or constantly looking over my shoulder and dodging taxis.

How long do you expect your USD 3 k to last?

[QUOTE=Daga2222;2573869]I did do some basic duo lingo a few days before and relying on Google translate beyond that. My go to phrases right now are "hola", "gracias", "cuanto cuesta", "ok", "vamos", and "no hablo Espanol" LOL. But yeah the problem is that I can't understand any conversation because of the accent and how fast people speak.[/QUOTE]You don't need it, I just use google translate and get by in Colombia just fine.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2574286]I prefer Santa Marta in Colombia. Its cheaper all round, its got great beaches, plenty of chicas, everything in walking distance, safer. In fact it makes up for lots of the advantages that DR would have over MDE.

I imagine downtown MDE is similar price to Santa Marta, but TBH I know where I would rather spend a holiday. By the beach, or constantly looking over my shoulder and dodging taxis.

How long do you expect your USD 3 k to last?[/QUOTE]Good question. I forgot to mention ill be staying around 2 weeks perhaps 3.

I just saw videos of Cartagena Colombia and the beach looks amazing. There's a lot to consider in Colombia, but its very far apart. In DR, a cruise or taxi will take you where you need to go.

Thanks for your intel.

[QUOTE=Swann124;2574198]Are the beach and chicas mutually exclusive? [/QUOTE]You can go to Cartagena.

[QUOTE=Cartagena;2574253] Click View Original Post to go to Cartagena thread[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JustTK;2574286]I prefer Santa Marta in Colombia. Its cheaper all round, its got great beaches, plenty of chicas, everything in walking distance, safer. In fact it makes up for lots of the advantages that DR would have over MDE.

I imagine downtown MDE is similar price to Santa Marta, but TBH I know where I would rather spend a holiday. By the beach, or constantly looking over my shoulder and dodging taxis.

How long do you expect your USD 3 k to last?[/QUOTE]Good question. I forgot to mention I'll be staying around 2 weeks perhaps 3.

I just saw videos of Cartagena Colombia and the beach looks amazing. Theres a lot to consider in Colombia, but its very far apart. In DR, a cruise or taxi will take you where you need to go.

Thanks for your intel.

[QUOTE=Swann124;2574198]I monger in NYC and have been for a couple of years now. Sorry for my lack of respect points on this website but tbh this isn't my forte'.

Anyways, end of August I plan to travel to Colombia or DR strictly for mongering. I am a young guy, traveling solo most likely, speak Spanish, am Peruvian (so I blend in pretty well at least in Colombia), and going to carry $3000 total.

I am leaning towards Colombia because I prefer skinny women but a (expert) monger friend of mine says to try DR because its cheaper and things are closer together.

Taking covid restrictions into consideration, which country do you recommend with my ideals and budget?

I'm a little leas versed with Colombia. I don't know the chica prices. Is it expensive? Where should I land if I want to go to the beach as well? Are the beach and chicas mutually exclusive? I know in DR they come hand in hand. Hotel? Food? What are the prices for those in Colombia. I can defend myself so I don't worry too much about dangers of Colombia.

Anyways, thank you for your help!

As a trade, I can offer monger info on Peru, Lima.[/QUOTE]Never been to DR so can't comment on that. Was thinking about going recently but there is a curfew there right now, make sure it's lifted before you go there. Prices seem pretty high from the posts I've seen.

As others have mentioned, if you want beaches in Colombia, try Cartegena or Santa Marta. Beaches are crap in Cartegena except for Playa Blanca, and you will be harassed not stop by touts any where you go. Prices for girls in Cartegena were about $70 to $100 for girls in clock tower area pre pandemic. Not sure now. There are several clubs close to the clock tower with similar prices.

Prices vary widely in Medellin. At Faces Dos US $70 for about 40 min, nice rooms. At La Isla US $100 for 1 hour, nice rooms. Hotness of girls vary greatly but you can find some stunners here. In the Centro area, girls are US $20 or $3 o. Difficult to find hot girls in centro though. If you stay at the Mansion Hotel, it costs about $100 to bring the girl to your room. At Gusto at parke Llierass, $100 to $200 or more, but I would avoid as it's a ripoff. Street hookers in the actual park US $70 to $100.

In Bogota prices differ greatly between north or south or city. The north is the rich area so the clubs are more expensive. The main red light district is the Santa Fe area in the south. This is in a ghetto area. Lots of girls here with lots of hot Venezuelans. Girls are US $25 for 20 minutes. You can pay extra for extended time.

This is the main area you want to stay at on a small budget. There is one mid level club in Chapinero called LA49 but girls are US $100, so not worth it. There are several clubs in the north, but the one with the hottest girls is Lidos. It costs $70 just to take a girl from the club and girl will probably charge $150 short time or $300 all night. These numbers could vary quite a bit based on the girl. So you are paying close to US prices, but with much hotter girls than you could get in the US for similar prices.

Hotels are pretty cheap in Bogota right now, you can get decent places for $30/ night and very nice places for $70/ night. I would guess this is cheaper than DR. Food is cheap, prices for normal food is negligible and high end restaurants are also pretty reasonable. Uber is ridiculously cheap, like $5 for a 45 minute trip across town.

Hi guys,

I've been mongering for about 10 years, in the States and extensively when I lived in Asia. Have never been to South America before and have the chance to line up a 7-day (or so) inaugural visit in the next couple of weeks. I plan to spend it all in Medellin so I've been reading and watching vids to make a plan of action. Really appreciate the work the posters here have put in to give us all assistance. Just Googling things like "guest friendly hotels Medellin" didn't return the amount of results I expected. It is super easy to find all that basic info, on a number of different sites, for the main Asian mongering destinations like the Philippines, Thailand, Vietnam, etc. So again the help provided here is crucial to me as I work to plan for this mongering trip.

I've seen a couple hotels mentioned here that should be guest friendly: specifically Hotel Nutibara, Hotel Dorado la 70, Hotel Medellin Plaza (Mansion? And Hotel Haven. From the basic research, I was thinking Hotel Nutibara could be the best selection for guaranteed guest friendly, but the "not safe outside after 10 pm" kind of has me thinking twice. I spent a lot of time in sketchy parts of Manila and although pickpockets and swarming street kid picket-pocket "gangs" were an issue one had to be aware of. I never felt or heard anyone suggest that after 10 pm the area near my hotel was a 'no-go zone'. I wonder if anyone with possible experience in a city like Manila would compare the Plaza Botero, El Centro, and the general area around Hotel Nutibara in particular to Manila? When I hear "be off the streets by 10 pm" South American stereotypes of Archer (TV) style paramilitaries jump into my head LOL.

Other than that, appreciate the info in this thread. Looking up flights from where I am in the US, studying about the districts / areas of Medellin overall, the Colombian peso / the cost for the chicas, and generally occupying my restful summer with these plans. Fingers crossed I'll be in Medellin in a couple weeks. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Swann124;2574198]I monger in NYC and have been for a couple of years now. Sorry for my lack of respect points on this website but tbh this isn't my forte'.

Anyways, end of August I plan to travel to Colombia or DR strictly for mongering. I am a young guy, traveling solo most likely, speak Spanish, am Peruvian (so I blend in pretty well at least in Colombia), and going to carry $3000 total.

I am leaning towards Colombia because I prefer skinny women but a (expert) monger friend of mine says to try DR because its cheaper and things are closer together.

Taking covid restrictions into consideration, which country do you recommend with my ideals and budget?

I'm a little leas versed with Colombia. I don't know the chica prices. Is it expensive? Where should I land if I want to go to the beach as well? Are the beach and chicas mutually exclusive? I know in DR they come hand in hand. Hotel? Food? What are the prices for those in Colombia. I can defend myself so I don't worry too much about dangers of Colombia.

Anyways, thank you for your help!

As a trade, I can offer monger info on Peru, Lima.[/QUOTE]I tried to PM you but couldn't. Can you open up your PMs or request for access on that.

[QUOTE=Trojan22;2574370]I tried to PM you but couldn't. Can you open up your PMs or request for access on that.[/QUOTE]Says I need a subscription to utilize the PM system. Don't think I'm doing that anytime soon. If its not too much to ask, is it possible to put your info on here? [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]

Thank you for your consideration. I appreciate it.

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I don't agree that the Dominican Republic is cheaper than Colombia. Depending on your departure location, airfare to the Dominican Republic can be cheaper than airfare to Colombia because there is more competition among the airlines. The Dominican Republic is among the the world's most popular tourist destinations. That demand and the higher percentage of imported goods versus locally produced goods are reasons behind the higher costs for consumer goods in the Dominican Republic. So despite the airfare you will find Colombia affordable once you get there. . As for thick, thin, 1-2-3-4-5-8-9-10, check the pictures here and compare the prices. From cheapest to most expensive, Medellin casas range from US $14 to US $39. GBP is known to be one of Santo Domingo's cheapest casas. The cost there is US $26. It is much more comparable to the US $14 Colombia casas, except in those Medellin casas at almost half the price you will find these things that GBP does not offer: running water, soap, towels. I hope you try both and let us know what you think.

[QUOTE=Swann124;2574297]Good question. I forgot to mention I'll be staying around 2 weeks perhaps 3.

I just saw videos of Cartagena Colombia and the beach looks amazing. Theres a lot to consider in Colombia, but its very far apart. In DR, a cruise or taxi will take you where you need to go.

Thanks for your intel.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Daga2222;2574284]First time in Medellin. Just visited Loutron and holy shit. It's expensive but definitely a must visit at least once. The way they have the line up of girls come out and present themselves is something out of a fucking movie. Every girl either a 8, 9, or 10. It's about double the cost of a standard lay in Poblado and not exactly GFE, but I can finally say I fucked a solid 10. I really don't think it can get much better.

If the girls provided full GFE, I would not look twice at the price. This is my type of mongering. No BS. No wasting time searching for a decent looking girl, or waiting for a girl who shows up 2 hours late. Just solid 10's quite literally fucking spoon fed to you. Wow.[/QUOTE]What is the rate at Loutron?

Hit me up on instant messaging. I haven't been to Lima in quite a few years and I am interested. I can give you some Medellin background.

[QUOTE=Swann124;2574198]I monger in NYC and have been for a couple of years now. Sorry for my lack of respect points on this website but tbh this isn't my forte'.

Anyways, end of August I plan to travel to Colombia or DR strictly for mongering. I am a young guy, traveling solo most likely, speak Spanish, am Peruvian (so I blend in pretty well at least in Colombia), and going to carry $3000 total.

I am leaning towards Colombia because I prefer skinny women but a (expert) monger friend of mine says to try DR because its cheaper and things are closer together.

Taking covid restrictions into consideration, which country do you recommend with my ideals and budget?

I'm a little leas versed with Colombia. I don't know the chica prices. Is it expensive? Where should I land if I want to go to the beach as well? Are the beach and chicas mutually exclusive? I know in DR they come hand in hand. Hotel? Food? What are the prices for those in Colombia. I can defend myself so I don't worry too much about dangers of Colombia.

Anyways, thank you for your help!

As a trade, I can offer monger info on Peru, Lima.[/QUOTE]

This is rock solid advice. Ignore it at your peril.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2574177]Actually you have a better chance of getting robbed in Poblado versus El Centro and Paulie enumerated some of the reasons why foreigners are better targets than locals.

The reality of all of this is, and with you having four years of no incidents, is that you may become complacent, and when you least expect it, boom you get jacked up.

If anything I have learn't about Medellin in particular is, that you can never "let your guard down", as typically you will get jacked up when you least expect it as I'm mentioning again.

There have been countless reports of guys getting jacked on the Medellin thread over the years, myself included.

So my advice to everyone is again.

'Never let your guard down'.

And I'm not just talking about the street, but with the Chicas as well, and that's a whole other topic of it's own.[/QUOTE]

Botaniko is gone. The former owner is now running a Nina Simone themed restaurant in the space that used to be Cafe Colombo Credenza on the 10th floor of the Colombo-Americano building.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2573576]Versalles is open don't know about any of the rest of them.[/QUOTE]

Hacienda is going strong and so is the Hato Viejo chain. It will be a while before Botero hotel reopens if it ever does. I read that the Ayenda chain went bankrupt. The legendary Versalles is open. Years ago I bought an empanada at the front counter. I later gave it to a homeless guy in Parque Bolivar because I noticed a cockroach walking across the merchandise as the counter lady reached into the display case to get the empanada. I haven't fucked with the place since then. It's not necessarily any less clean than other places but I can't shake the memory. A couple of doors down the hill from the old Botaniko location is a nice little Colombian place called Vendimia. It's very clean and it uses fresh ingredients to make dishes very much like what Botaniko used to make. They get a lot of the same customers who work at the nearby clinics that Botaniko used to get. There is a long lineup at an EPS clinic next door that hides the entrance. If you like Botaniko you will like the food there.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2573503]Planning my 5th trip later this year.

My cheap go to, 24 HR, Braza Pan behind Nutibara Hotel on the corner next to the Metro? (corner of Maracaibo & Bolivar).

My cheap seafood across from the SW corner of Parque Bolivar, Ostras Marbella? (Calle 54 & Carr 49).

My fav breakfast place on Carr 49, walking street Paseo Junin, Versalles Restaurante why Pasteleria?

And my fav higher end food in Centro:

Hacienda. Junin?

Cafe Colombo Credenza?

I think I already heard Botanko Bistro (next to Casa New Life) closed.

Also if they reopen Hotel Botero let me know! Will do Hotel Nutibara otherwise but I love the top floors in the Botero facing west, great view, good breeze and less noise up high.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Travel3;2574465]What is the rate at Loutron?[/QUOTE]330 k + tip so about $100 usd.

[QUOTE=Travel3;2574465]What is the rate at Loutron?[/QUOTE]It's around 300 K. It was a little less when I visited. There is an added taxi / car cost, for me it is more than 30 K for round trip.

The procedure described is standard for most casas. Most people probably will be overwhelmed during first visit so enjoy it while it lasts. I think it won't be as easy to find 10 or 9 for many after acclimated to the scene.

[QUOTE=VikingsGuy;2574346]I never felt or heard anyone suggest that after 10 pm the area near my hotel was a 'no-go zone'. [/QUOTE]There are many bars and clubs still open during normal time so it is not exactly no-go. You just need to know where you are going and keep moving toward your destination. You can study and walk around the area during day time when the street is busy and safer. You will feel more comfortable at night without needing to check map.

For where to stay, you can check the posts and the posters to see which one fit your mongering style. They are quite different. Mansion is a good choice if you can get a room for a few days.

[QUOTE=VsebudetNY;2574202]I don't know if it changed or the person was in bad mood, but back in April the Premier Plaza didn't allow me in with laminated copy of passport (it never happened before), so since then I was using Zona Rosa.[/QUOTE]With travels to seven continents. Whoever hotel clerk is asking for that I think is on a little power trip. Either the real one of a paper copy of your passport would usually cover all eventualities. In fact, you should not go out on the street with your real passport. I have my passport foto page copied on one side, and the visa page copied on the other. Color not necessary either. I have used the same copy until it was dogeared and falling apart and no one gave a shite including random stops by policia. One of my many little travel hacks is to have a copy made at the hotel front desk at time of check in, when you have to show your passport. I have always been able to get a copy this way without a problem, and I usually tip a 2 mil COP note or fifty cents.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2574462]The Dominican Republic is among the the world's most popular tourist destinations.[/QUOTE]This is purely because of the resorts of Punta Cana. A school teacher that I mess with in Santa Marta just got back a couple of days ago. "lindo🇩127476;, Punta Cana, y sus pueblitos. Quiero volver cuando no haya restricciones".

Colombia is way cheaper than DR. I just paid a taxi in Barranquilla $10 to take me from my hotel 10 minutes to the wash house to pick up my laundry, then 40 minutes to the airport. In DR a taxi will want $25 to go from the airport in Santo Domingo 10 minutes down the road to Boca Chica.

A Seeking girl, "Dana" is a decent-looking redhead that also sent a quick video of her friend who looked good. We got to the point of compensation, and I let her make the first move. She said, "Well, you paid $99/ month to find girls who want an agreement. We want 300 USD each. Anything less and we aren't interested. " I laughed and recommended she start getting ready to go to Gusto for the night. The interesting part was it was the first time a chica had mentioned the cost of a Seeking membership. She severely over-shot, but I respected her approach.

I went back & forth with Dos Santos Cantina in Provenza, and finally ended up getting a dinner reservation, 3 weeks out, for 7p. There was nothing available sooner, aside from lunch, and nothing available later in the evening. So, if anyone is heading into town for a week trip, and wants to have a date night, check it out well before arriving. Not sure if you could go at lunch and grease the hostess.

CoinSlot asked Pinky right as she arrived the other night if I fuck other chicks. Pinky said no, only trios or 4s with her. CoinSlot then told her since they are friends, which they are not, that she has to show her our conversation. She said she doesn't want her to be with a bad guy. The truth is, CoinSlot relentlessly messages me asking to come over. In fact, just a couple days before our last trio, she wanted to come over while Pinky was at classes and the gym. Pinky said CoinSlot told her several times that she wants a rich boyfriend and that I am good-looking. She's fucking stupid; like, asking if AM or PM is the evening stupid. Although, this is next level stupid. 1) She loses out on my 150k average of paying her between quickies or trios, and 2) She doesn't get anything out of spilling the beans.

Has anyone been to La Isla, recently? I would assume they're back at 100% but I have noticed that they aren't using the search lights at night.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2574478]Botaniko is gone. The former owner is now running a Nina Simone themed restaurant in the space that used to be Cafe Colombo Credenza on the 10th floor of the Colombo-Americano building.[/QUOTE]Oh man, I loved dinner on the balcony at Cafe Colombo!. Great food, great sangria, not bad prices. I took a little wookie to dinner there, she turned into a butterfly later. LOL.

Also a shot of the breakfast at Versailles.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2574601]With travels to seven continents. Whoever hotel clerk is asking for that I think is on a little power trip. Either the real one of a paper copy of your passport would usually cover all eventualities. In fact, you should not go out on the street with your real passport. I have my passport foto page copied on one side, and the visa page copied on the other. Color not necessary either. I have used the same copy until it was dogeared and falling apart and no one gave a shite including random stops by policia.[/QUOTE]What do you think a laminated copy is? It is a paper copy covered in plastic so it doesn't get dogeared. Maybe you are thinking of the passport card.

Also, the OP said the desk clerk would not accept the laminated copy. He didn't say that person asked for anything.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2574586]There are many bars and clubs still open during normal time so it is not exactly no-go. You just need to know where you are going and keep moving toward your destination. You can study and walk around the area during day time when the street is busy and safer. You will feel more comfortable at night without needing to check map.

For where to stay, you can check the posts and the posters to see which one fit your mongering style. They are quite different. Mansion is a good choice if you can get a room for a few days.[/QUOTE]I would also say that the cutoff time to be wandering around El Centro is about 8 pm. That's when most of the businesses have closed and most of the streets are deserted. After that it's best to know exactly where you're going.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2574601]With travels to seven continents. Whoever hotel clerk is asking for that I think is on a little power trip. Either the real one of a paper copy of your passport would usually cover all eventualities. In fact, you should not go out on the street with your real passport. I have my passport foto page copied on one side, and the visa page copied on the other. Color not necessary either. I have used the same copy until it was dogeared and falling apart and no one gave a shite including random stops by policia. One of my many little travel hacks is to have a copy made at the hotel front desk at time of check in, when you have to show your passport. I have always been able to get a copy this way without a problem, and I usually tip a 2 mil COP note or fifty cents.[/QUOTE]Lets think out of the box on this one.

A laminated or plastic covered color copy of your ID makes the ID look more credible versus black and white especially with the Police, and you can get it wet and it won't dog ear and de-grade.

Even better yet what I have done is had photocopy's of all my ID's reduced down to business card size front and back so they are the size of a credit card, and fit right into my wallet.

Makes things a lot easier to whip out than a big folded piece of paper that besides getting dog eared may get wet and the ink runs and ruins it. I have been caught is some downpours in Medellin and have been soaking wet so another reason to laminate.

[QUOTE=Blade2001;2574340]... Prices vary widely in Medellin. At Faces Dos US $70 for about 40 min, nice rooms. At La Isla US $100 for 1 hour, nice rooms. Hotness of girls vary greatly but you can find some stunners here. In the Centro area, girls are US $20 or $3 o. Difficult to find hot girls in centro though. If you stay at the Mansion Hotel, it costs about $100 to bring the girl to your room. At Gusto at parke Llierass, $100 to $200 or more, but I would avoid as it's a ripoff. Street hookers in the actual park US $70 to $100. ...[/QUOTE]I think the information posted here should be accurate to the best of the poster's knowledge. I haven't been to Fase Dos or La Isla, so I won't post prices. The normal prices in Centro are 30,000 (US $8. 50) and 40,000 (US $11). You have to add the price of a room to that, and that should be an additional $5 to $8. At the Mansion, most of the ladies will do short time for 200,000 (US $56) All night should be less than US $100. Some of the ladies at Gusto will ask for ridiculous amounts, up to US $350. Most can be had for around $80 or less. Most of the street walkers around Parque Lleras will go for 250,000 (US $70) or less for an hour or two.

For reference, today's exchange rate is 3768 COP for US $1. My numbers are at a lower rate than that because I know many people use exchange houses which give a lower than market rate.

[QUOTE=VikingsGuy;2574346]Hi guys,

I've been mongering for about 10 years, in the States and extensively when I lived in Asia. Have never been to South America before and have the chance to line up a 7-day (or so) inaugural visit in the next couple of weeks. I plan to spend it all in Medellin so I've been reading and watching vids to make a plan of action. Really appreciate the work the posters here have put in to give us all assistance. Just Googling things like "guest friendly hotels Medellin" didn't return the amount of results I expected. It is super easy to find all that basic info, on a number of different sites, for the main Asian mongering destinations like the Philippines, Thailand, Vietnam, etc. So again the help provided here is crucial to me as I work to plan for this mongering trip.

I've seen a couple hotels mentioned here that should be guest friendly: specifically Hotel Nutibara, Hotel Dorado la 70, Hotel Medellin Plaza (Mansion? And Hotel Haven. From the basic research, I was thinking Hotel Nutibara could be the best selection for guaranteed guest friendly, but the "not safe outside after 10 pm" kind of has me thinking twice. I spent a lot of time in sketchy parts of Manila and although pickpockets and swarming street kid picket-pocket "gangs" were an issue one had to be aware of. I never felt or heard anyone suggest that after 10 pm the area near my hotel was a 'no-go zone'. I wonder if anyone with possible experience in a city like Manila would compare the Plaza Botero, El Centro, and the general area around Hotel Nutibara in particular to Manila? When I hear "be off the streets by 10 pm" South American stereotypes of Archer (TV) style paramilitaries jump into my head LOL.

Other than that, appreciate the info in this thread. Looking up flights from where I am in the US, studying about the districts / areas of Medellin overall, the Colombian peso / the cost for the chicas, and generally occupying my restful summer with these plans. Fingers crossed I'll be in Medellin in a couple weeks. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I've roamed the streets of the SE Asia countries you mentioned and others as well late at night and never even thought about safety issues. I've walked the seedy parts of Manilia late night and never had issues with kid "gangs" or pickpockets or anything like that. Always felt totally safe throughout SE Asia day and night. It's an apples and oranges comparison imo. El centro Medellin already had crime issues at night before the influx of Venezuelanos and pre-covid. Now after these events there's even more very desperate people walking the streets. Chicas are selling ass for a few dollars worth of pesos so that gives you an idea of the desperation.

Where to stay depends on your style of finding girls and at what price point. If you want the bargain basement prices of street walkers then yeah stay at Nutibara. At night you could walk to the couple clubs that are very close (and also inexpensive) probably without problems. But I wouldn't venture far from Plaza Botero at night. And I haven't even been there at night for a few years so not sure how much it's changed.

If you're not looking for street walkers and plan to use agencies or social media or casas or Fase Dos/La Isla type nicer clubs and want a decent lodging place in a safe neighborhood at a pretty cheap price check out San Peter apartments in Laureles. You should be able to find it on airbnb. They allow you to check in girls for visits at no cost.

If you want to go higher end on both lodging and chicas stay near Parque Lleras at Haven Hotel or Hotel M. The later has chicas available on site but is overpriced for the lodging. Haven is very close to Parque Lleras where you can find a lot of action but at a higher price point.

Maybe you want to mix it up with a couple nights here and a couple nights there. Probably a good way to do a first visit. Enjoy and please write up a report with your experiences in Medellin.

Blade 2001 is a flat-out liar regarding the mansion hotel, $ 100 for a chica, bullshit information. What a fucking liar. 200 k, approx $ 57 us is the true price. I know, I just got laid there recently. So stfu with your lies.

Blade 2001 should stop trying to damage businesses in mde by posting incorrect information. I know the mansion girls want 200 k or so, less than $60 usd, not the $100 usd blade 2001 alleges. Is he a jealous loser, a rival lying businessman, a troll, or someone who can't get laid for $500? Quien sabe? Pos.

Hi members,

I want to spend my birthday which is the 9th of July.

I have reservation for flights.

Arrival to Medellin is 8th in the evening.

Leaving on the 12th early morning.

I'm a bit confused as to where I should stay.

Money is not an issue as I like to go to nice places.

I also want to check out El Centro.

Any experience guys can help me here.

All drinks on me.

Sureman.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2574685]Lets think out of the box on this one.

A laminated or plastic covered [b]color copy of your ID makes the ID look more credible[/b] versus black and white especially with the Police, and you can get it wet and it won't dog ear and de-grade.

Even better yet what I have done is had photocopy's of all my ID's reduced down to business card size front and back so they are the size of a credit card, and fit right into my wallet.

Makes things a lot easier to whip out than a big folded piece of paper that besides getting dog eared may get wet and the ink runs and ruins it. I have been caught is some downpours in Medellin and have been soaking wet so another reason to laminate.[/QUOTE]Just remember that in [B]some[/B] countries (Mexico is one), color copies of IDs are considered illegal.

[QUOTE=Shemp;2574789]Blade 2001 is a flat-out liar regarding the mansion hotel, $ 100 for a chica, bullshit information. What a fucking liar. 200 k, approx $ 57 us is the true price. I know, I just got laid there recently. So stfu with your lies.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Shemp;2574792]Blade 2001 should stop trying to damage businesses in mde by posting incorrect information. I know the mansion girls want 200 k or so, less than $60 usd, not the $100 usd blade 2001 alleges. Is he a jealous loser, a rival lying businessman, a troll, or someone who can't get laid for $500? Quien sabe? Pos.[/QUOTE]Calm down lad, looks like you have a dog in this fight, hehehehehe. I don't know either of you but 'let it go' otherwise you are just fueling the flame.

My gawd don't you have better things to do with your time and energy. One persons experience could be and usually is very different than another.

Just saying.

The Tall Man.

So I'm going to start this off with my travel.

I wake up a 3 am and head to the airport for a 5 am flight to FL. I make it to the airport and stand in line because I was having issues with my passport. I was told that I didn't fill-out the Columbia travel paperwork so this caused me to almost miss my flight. Fast forward to landing in Columbia and my phone did not work. I had to pay a Colombian $5 usd to navigate me to my driver I had already had requested from the mansion. The drive to the city was beautiful and I took a lot of pictures. I arrived at the mansion and was greeted and shown my room (M1) for the first night. I took a quick shower and walked around outside taking it all in as a first-timer. After about an hour I returned and saw a couple of beautiful woman walking around the mansion and sat a spoke with them for another hour. Decided to bust my Columbia virginity and took a young woman back toy room and had an OK time. Long story short none of the mansion girl could get me to cum. After that's session I texted my tour-guide and made plans to hit the town. I leave the mansion around 8 pm and head to a strip club that I can't remember the name of and the woman was only (100 k) per. I managed to bang the second hottest girl in the building, she still is the best sex I had overall. After that we hit up gustó and walked the park. That ended my first night in Medellin.

I stayed a total of 5 days and will write them individual as time permits.

[QUOTE=Shemp;2574792]Blade 2001 should stop trying to damage businesses in mde by posting incorrect information. I know the mansion girls want 200 k or so, less than $60 usd, not the $100 usd blade 2001 alleges. Is he a jealous loser, a rival lying businessman, a troll, or someone who can't get laid for $500? Quien sabe? Pos.[/QUOTE]Did someone forget to tell you which head the condom goes on? Lighten up Frances. While he might have overstated the price at the Mansion, I doubt that it's going to force them out of business.

Was downtown yesterday checking out some hotels. Got some good info. Decided to stop by Amigas since I was near there. Picked a Venezolana with a phat ass. Told me $20 mil tip for BBBJ. No problem. I love BBBJs and I was in the mood to stroke for awhile so I wanted a nice lube.

For some reason, she focused on licking my balls and licking and sucking that piece of real estate between my balls and my ahole. I was ready to bust in her mouth but she wanted to stroke so she got on top with her phat ass facing me and went aggressive doggie style. I was already ready to bust from the BBBJ so it wasn't long before I busted a wad. I stayed hard but the rubber was full so I called it a day.

I've gotten some really good BBBJs the last few times I've mongered. Will probably do another session this week and maybe head to Pereira over the weekend since the weather seems to be getting better in Antioquia.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2574937]For some reason, she focused on licking my balls and licking and sucking that piece of real estate between my balls and my ahole..[/QUOTE]We used to and maybe some still do call it Taint on a woman because it Taint pussy and it Taint azhole. Similar for us taint this and it taint that.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2574605]This is purely because of the resorts of Punta Cana. A school teacher that I mess with in Santa Marta just got back a couple of days ago. "lindo🇩127476;, Punta Cana, y sus pueblitos. Quiero volver cuando no haya restricciones".

Colombia is way cheaper than DR. I just paid a taxi in Barranquilla $10 to take me from my hotel 10 minutes to the wash house to pick up my laundry, then 40 minutes to the airport. In DR a taxi will want $25 to go from the airport in Santo Domingo 10 minutes down the road to Boca Chica.[/QUOTE]The women are beautiful in DR, but the culture sucks. I've never been anyplace I've felt like everything was for sale. Everyone's a hustler, especially the women. I couldn't agree more- Stay in Colombia!

[QUOTE=SureMan;2574853]Hi members,

I want to spend my birthday which is the 9th of July.

I have reservation for flights.

Arrival to Medellin is 8th in the evening.

Leaving on the 12th early morning.

I'm a bit confused as to where I should stay.

Money is not an issue as I like to go to nice places.

I also want to check out El Centro.

Any experience guys can help me here.

All drinks on me.

Sureman.[/QUOTE]I would stay at a nice Airbnb and ask if it's ok to have visitors over. Another option would be Dan Carlton seems like a nice hotel and from what I've read here it's girl friendly.

I was recently in Colombia and in out of MDE on several occasions. First up was Veronica 1, a Venezolana from Photoprepagos. She was working out of one of those many places where a bunch of young girls have set up their own casa more or less. Location was the white metal door immediately to the right of the front door to Spa Energy on Carrera 74 in the Estadio neighborhood. Firm gordibuena type with flawless Latina skin, the long, silky black hair that really floats my boat, and a gorgeous Latina face. Excellent service with a superb BBBJ. 110 COP for the hour might as well have been free.

Next up was Carolina, a girl I met at Energy several years ago and have kept in touch with. Came to my hotel and provided the same awesome service as in the past.

Then I had a Saturday afternoon session with Veronica 2, a Barranquillera who I saw on Photoprepagos and who had very good reviews on the catadorcolombia site. She was what I think of as the Colombian special. Sweet, sexy, beautiful, with gorgeous long dark hair, a smoking body, and very enthusiastic. Excellent GFE for 150 k. She was at yet another of those anonymous casas in Laureles, Cra 80 b #34 c-34. I repeated with her later and it was even better the second time around.

Then it was another photoprepagos girl, Salome, who was a petite morena spinner. Her attractiveness, body, and BBBJ gave her great potential, but she was one of those somewhat fidgety types who couldn't seem to relax. Not a bad experience for 130 K for the hour, but not recommended when there are so many better options.

Then repeated with Veronica 1 and had another excellent session. Then it was Isabella, another photoprepagos girl. Morena with a nice body, a cute face, and a friendly and sexy attitude. 150 k for a very good hour of GFE.

Finally I made a trip to Energy, sort of for old times sake. About 12 girls working, but only 2 that worked for me. Went with Luna, a petite and cute paisa with a slightly thick but firm body and a pair of near perfect tits. Good service for 140 k for the hour but not as good as my photoprepagos girls. MDE remains a favorite for the abundance of beautiful and sexy women.

Today was my first day in Medellin, I came in a day earlier than planned.

Getting through immigration took about 45 minutes as two other planes arrived at the same. I walked outside and took an official white taxi for 80,000 to Haven near Parque Lleras. Came to my room to get situated and then took an Uber to Fantasias Energy Spa right before 5 so traffic was heavy. Uber is super cheap here. Service at Energy is 140 K for an hour, I opted for $190 for two cups for the hour. They said two girls are 230 K.

So you sit down in the waiting room and then the girls come out one by one to introduce themselves and open their robes so you can see them in their sexy lingerie. They tell you their name and their number. They had about 10 girls available when I went. The girls range from 6's, 7's, and 8's maybe 9 in my book. I thought 2 or 3 were super hot. I went with a 23 year old cutie with a sexy body and great smile.

Once you're in the room the girl first gives you a message for about 10 minutes and then gives CBJ followed by sex. My girl had a great attitude and was sweet. When you finish you can take a shower and get dressed. I really enjoyed the experience.

I then caught an Uber to my hotel and walked to Mondongos for dinner. After dinner I walked to Parque Lleras to check out the scene but it was kinda quiet since it's Wednesday and I was there kind of early. There were a few working girls hanging out together and they cat call you over LOL. Tomorrow I am going to ride the metro to centro and check out plaza Botero and surroundings. Will probably go to Bendito Seas at night for ladies night.

I've been planning out my first over seas monger session to Medellin.

Right now, my plan is a 5 or 6 day trip in August or September, budget around 3 k usd. I plan to use the FB method for most of my chicas, so I'm thinking of the hotel Loyds over the mansion. Though if there is a fee, switching to the San Paolo apartment Airbnb would probably be cheaper.

It would be fun to hit the Hing Kong style strip clubs; thinking of finding a guide to get the best bang for my buck.

Finally I'll probably splurge on a pro on the first night, someone easy to deal with for an overnight session.

Viajero11.

Very exciting report. Really like the GDEs and addresses of casas.

Where do you find photoprepagos girl?

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2575128]Where do you find photoprepagos girl?[/QUOTE]You find them on photoprepagos.com.

[QUOTE=YouHadMeAtbbbj;2575114]Right now, my plan is a 5 or 6 day trip in August or September, budget around 3 k usd.[/QUOTE]Maybe if you are buying a house then it will be possible to spend that much money in that amount of time. I have been in Colombia for 9 days and have not spent that much in 3 cities and with rather expensive dental work.

[QUOTE=YouHadMeAtbbbj;2575114]I've been planning out my first over seas monger session to Medellin.

Right now, my plan is a 5 or 6 day trip in August or September, budget around 3 k usd. I plan to use the FB method for most of my chicas, so I'm thinking of the hotel Loyds over the mansion. Though if there is a fee, switching to the San Paolo apartment Airbnb would probably be cheaper.

It would be fun to hit the Hing Kong style strip clubs; thinking of finding a guide to get the best bang for my buck.

Finally I'll probably splurge on a pro on the first night, someone easy to deal with for an overnight session.[/QUOTE]3 k over 6 days is a lot. The most expensive sessions here are like $100 tops. You can and should ball out with that budget. Definitely visit loutron (top casa), fase dos (top strip club), and consider staying at the mansion anyways if it's your first time. Really easy intro to everything especially if you don't speak Spanish. Another option is to go with a really expensive and fancy hotel suite. Even if you fuck solid 10 loutron chicks 3 times a day, I don't think you're spending 3 k over 5 days LOL. Welcome to Colombia.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2575211]Maybe if you are buying a house then it will be possible to spend that much money in that amount of time. I have been in Colombia for 9 days and have not spent that much in 3 cities and with rather expensive dental work.[/QUOTE]Sounds better than the reverse problem, LOL.

I can only add another day at most though.

I budgeted way more than I might need for hotels though.

It seems like labor day doubles the normal prices, which was near when I was planning to go.

[QUOTE=Mechanic88;2575042]I would stay at a nice Airbnb and ask if it's ok to have visitors over. Another option would be Dan Carlton seems like a nice hotel and from what I've read here it's girl friendly.[/QUOTE]Hi,

Thanks I leaning towards San Peters apartment.

Location is good who ever will be around mty dates are welcome to go and hang out.

Anyone know what ever happened to.

AleXandra [URL]https://www.facebook.com/natalia.aguilarlopez.5[/URL].

Leidy Baron.

Enlly Florez [URL]https://www.facebook.com/Enllym.florez[/URL].

I have not seen any of them in a while because their prices continue to go up while the service stayed the same or got worse. Seems that all of them have sugar daddies and / or guys who send them money, although one of them (Enlly) will never admit it.

I saw news some can use in the newspaper today. Avianca has two new direct flights from Medellin. Today the 4 times per week flights to Punta Cana began. The other new route is Medellin-Cancun. We can nickname that second route the "Slapshot Express".

A few years back a couple very enterprising ladies were offering rides into town from the airport, including "party favors" when they arrive at the airport. Does anyone know if this is still a thing, and maybe even have a number?

[QUOTE=YouHadMeAtbbbj;2575114]I've been planning out my first over seas monger session to Medellin.

Right now, my plan is a 5 or 6 day trip in August or September, budget around 3 k usd. I plan to use the FB method for most of my chicas, so I'm thinking of the hotel Loyds over the mansion. Though if there is a fee, switching to the San Paolo apartment Airbnb would probably be cheaper.

It would be fun to hit the Hing Kong style strip clubs; thinking of finding a guide to get the best bang for my buck.

Finally I'll probably splurge on a pro on the first night, someone easy to deal with for an overnight session.[/QUOTE]Do NOT bring that kind of cash over. Lots of credit cards offer no cost international use- use your card wherever you can. Much better to spend a little extra on ATM fees than to have a $2-3k wad in your pocket or hotel room. DO NOT FLASH CASH. I know in the states you can garner a lot of attention in a club by throwing tips around, but could get you killed in Colombia. If you're going to be drinking, make sure you're with a group of trusted friends. Be careful of "guides"; if they're not well recommended they're probably the first one ready to thump you on the head. Have fun, but don't confuse how you behave in the states to how you behave in Colombia. They have some hardcore MFs in Colombia that can eat Hells Angels for breakfast.

Hey guys- I'm old school and need a little help. What keywords are you using to identify FB girls?

Hey guys, debating a trip between Tijuana and Colombia right now.

Was wondering what the current curfew or closing times are for Fase Dos and La Isla. I'm generally a fan of the Hong Kong style clubs, and my favorite nighttime option while in Colombia are Fase / LaIsla so this is a big deal for me. Also is what's the curfew situation in Parque Lleras?

[QUOTE=YouHadMeAtbbbj;2575114]I've been planning out my first over seas monger session to Medellin.

Right now, my plan is a 5 or 6 day trip in August or September, budget around 3 k usd. I plan to use the FB method for most of my chicas, so I'm thinking of the hotel Loyds over the mansion. Though if there is a fee, switching to the San Paolo apartment Airbnb would probably be cheaper.

It would be fun to hit the Hing Kong style strip clubs; thinking of finding a guide to get the best bang for my buck.

Finally I'll probably splurge on a pro on the first night, someone easy to deal with for an overnight session.[/QUOTE]Go to Gustos pop a bottle of Dom Perignon and get 2 girls for an all nighter and you'll spend 1500 $ in one night LOL.

If you want a pro for the night with your budget go to La Isla. You can dine in or take out.

I don't do Gustos anymore since the talent level has really gone down and this is the time of year the dimes are in Cancun or Ecuador or Panama working. Gustos is usually good in the fall.

I would recommend Airbnb and book at Energy Living. No fees to bring girls and security is top notch.

Also if you lounge in the lobby you can have your pick of Facebook girls coming in and out of the building.

You can end up spending 500 $ for your trip or you can end up spending 5 k for your trip. All depends on how you want to roll.

I'm planning a trip back down to MDE in the next 1-2 months. Will be my 4th visit, and this time I'm planning to settle in a bit and stay for a at least a month. I've previously stayed at the St. Peter Apartments off of La 70 which was great in terms of convenience, security, and being chica friendly. This time, I'm looking for something a bit more comfortable, with good setup space for working remotely over a longer period of time, and is also chica friendly.

Wondering if anyone has any advice from past experience, or recommendations on where to stay that fit the criteria and are also chica friendly? Would definitely appreciate the tips, either in the forum or via DM.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2575270]Anyone know what ever happened to.
Enlly Florez [URL]https://www.facebook.com/Enllym.florez[/URL].
[/QUOTE]I knew her very well. Still lives w her mum in Pop Uno. Has a BF. Good fun if you like to drink all night but an average lay.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2575362]Hey guys- I'm old school and need a little help. What keywords are you using to identify FB girls?[/QUOTE]None. Just look thru the friend lists of known prepagos and mongers.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2575376]Go to Gustos pop a bottle of Dom Perignon and get 2 girls for an all nighter and you'll spend 1500 $ in one night LOL.

If you want a pro for the night with your budget go to La Isla. You can dine in or take out.

I don't do Gustos anymore since the talent level has really gone down and this is the time of year the dimes are in Cancun or Ecuador or Panama working. Gustos is usually good in the fall.

I would recommend Airbnb and book at Energy Living. No fees to bring girls and security is top notch.

Also if you lounge in the lobby you can have your pick of Facebook girls coming in and out of the building.

You can end up spending 500 $ for your trip or you can end up spending 5 k for your trip. All depends on how you want to roll.[/QUOTE]Better yet find a charity online and send them $1500, trust me youll feel better after the fact.

Or just find some beggars in MDE and hand out a couple hundred 50 mil notes, I rather do that then waste a 1 cop in Gustos.

2800000 cop for a bottle LOL.

The place is a complete joke and so is La Isla.

Only a complete fool would waste any money in either.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2575362]Hey guys- I'm old school and need a little help. What keywords are you using to identify FB girls?[/QUOTE]Try these as the starting point to build your list.

[QUOTE=FacebookLinks;2568718]Try these as the starting point to build your list. This is not recommendation for girls.[/QUOTE]

2 here
[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2575270]......

AleXandra [URL]https://www.facebook.com/natalia.aguilarlopez.5[/URL].

Leidy Baron.

Enlly Florez [URL]https://www.facebook.com/Enllym.florez[/URL].

[/QUOTE]

And some helpful posts

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2016-Links-to-Reports-of-Distinction&p=2562106&viewfull=1#post2562106[/url]

Guys thanks for the posts. Even for those not mongering, you guys give info up to date for guys like myself who have not partaken. Especially with covid shutdowns, protests etc.

I tried something different. I used chaturbate to message sexy girls and paid for their WhatsApp's. (I can see eyes rolling, but this is just an experiment) will be in Medellin in a few weeks, so we shall see if any meet up. Let's wait and see. I am definitely not depending on them.

Going to hit loutron, energy, and the strip clubs at night. However, since I have local friends and speak Spanish am going to try the pick up route on the weekends at the bars.

I have seen many using photopreoagos. I never have. Is there any noticeable difference (except for price) between a chica who charges 100 versus one who charges 300? Secondly when you do contact them, are face pics sent as I do not want any bait and switches when I travel to their places.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2575361]Do NOT bring that kind of cash over. Lots of credit cards offer no cost international use- use your card wherever you can. Much better to spend a little extra on ATM fees than to have a $2-3k wad in your pocket or hotel room. DO NOT FLASH CASH. I know in the states you can garner a lot of attention in a club by throwing tips around, but could get you killed in Colombia. If you're going to be drinking, make sure you're with a group of trusted friends. Be careful of "guides"; if they're not well recommended they're probably the first one ready to thump you on the head. Have fun, but don't confuse how you behave in the states to how you behave in Colombia. They have some hardcore MFs in Colombia that can eat Hells Angels for breakfast.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I am a pretty trusting guy, so I'll change my plans to visiting the phase club in the afternoon rather then try to save money there.

There's a small number of recommended guides here, though the information is a bit old.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2575270]Anyone know what ever happened to.

AleXandra [URL]https://www.facebook.com/natalia.aguilarlopez.5[/URL].

Leidy Baron.

Enlly Florez [URL]https://www.facebook.com/Enllym.florez[/URL].

I have not seen any of them in a while because their prices continue to go up while the service stayed the same or got worse. Seems that all of them have sugar daddies and / or guys who send them money, although one of them (Enlly) will never admit it.[/QUOTE]Leidy still posts on Instagram occasionally.

[QUOTE=SureMan;2575266]Hi,

Thanks I leaning towards San Peters apartment.

Location is good who ever will be around mty dates are welcome to go and hang out.[/QUOTE]I really like San Peter. Great location and staff was friendly and helpful. The only negative part last time I was there was that you could only have one guest at a time because of covid. So threesomes where not an option there. Does anyone know if this is still the case?

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2575270]Anyone know what ever happened to.

AleXandra https://www.facebook.com/natalia.aguilarlopez.5

Leidy Baron.

Enlly Florez https://www.facebook.com/Enllym.florez

I have not seen any of them in a while because their prices continue to go up while the service stayed the same or got worse. Seems that all of them have sugar daddies and / or guys who send them money, although one of them (Enlly) will never admit it.[/QUOTE]If you had a sugar daddy who sent you money, would you admit it? Would you admit it to other sugar daddies who also wanted to send you money?

The first rule of having lots of sugar daddies is to make sure each one thinks they are the only one.

If a girl is able to find herself a sugar daddy, someone to make sure she doesn't have to sell her pussy on a daily basis, more power to her. If she can find 5 sugar daddies, even better. That's 5 guys each spending 5 times as much on one girl who is no longer worth paying for. Makes all the other girls work harder for less.

I used to also. Just lost touch with her. Knew her mom. Visited a neighborhood a few times. You assessment is totally consistent. Loves to drink (and eat), but average lay (unmotivated). Not surprised she found a gringo BF to support her lifestyle. Probably explains why I don't get RFM any more!

[QUOTE=JustTK;2575379]I knew her very well. Still lives w her mum in Pop Uno. Has a BF. Good fun if you like to drink all night but an average lay.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BootyBandit84;2575414]I really like San Peter. Great location and staff was friendly and helpful. The only negative part last time I was there was that you could only have one guest at a time because of covid. So threesomes where not an option there. Does anyone know if this is still the case?[/QUOTE]In may they were allowing 2 guests at a time. May have relaxed further now.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2574685]Lets think out of the box on this one.

A laminated or plastic covered color copy of your ID makes the ID look more credible versus black and white especially with the Police, and you can get it wet and it won't dog ear and de-grade.

Even better yet what I have done is had photocopy's of all my ID's reduced down to business card size front and back so they are the size of a credit card, and fit right into my wallet.

Makes things a lot easier to whip out than a big folded piece of paper that besides getting dog eared may get wet and the ink runs and ruins it. I have been caught is some downpours in Medellin and have been soaking wet so another reason to laminate.[/QUOTE]Don't get too fancy. Don't buy a specific laminating product that you can only use once or twice. Buy a roll of clear Scotch brand packing tape for mucho laminations. Yes, it will overlap once or twice when you use it for laminating. Who cares. Apply in parallel broad strokes (obvio) to both sides, press out the air bubbles with the back of a spoon or some such similar implement. Trim edges. Done it many times, just not to my passport copy. The reasons you listed for making your passport copy look more official are the exact reasons I don't like to do it, but to each is own. I don't want it to be convenient and easy for them to examine my documents. Whether or not that is the correct approach is debatable and maybe even pointless.

Let me tell you what every cop has done for the half-dozen or so times I was stopped to show ID in Medellin. I look Hispanic. Or I get French a lot, I think because of the long hair. As soon as they saw my beat-up, folded paper copy of a passport, they would ask "De donde?" I would say "Soy un Gringo de Stados Unidos" or I am a Gringo from the United States, with a smile in a way to suggest I am not taking myself too seriously. They would pay a cursory glance at my paper copy if they even unfolded it, and instead turned their to attention onto my girl or friends, and run a quick identity check off my companions' cedula numbers. Mind you, I had not done anything wrong in those situations, and that's a different scenarlo. The impression I have gotten from routine random stops by policia is that they are more interested in their own citizens than they are us. Granted, that observation is off a very small sample size with lots of variables unaccounted for, and I am sure others have varied experiences.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2575359]A few years back a couple very enterprising ladies were offering rides into town from the airport, including "party favors" when they arrive at the airport. Does anyone know if this is still a thing, and maybe even have a number?[/QUOTE]I knew one, but dropped her after she became unreliable. However, she is a nice girl, friendly, and always ready to offer more services, but I am not sure if she is still doing that. Her name is Vico Zul, and known as Victoria Zul in FB.

Great to see the travel in and out of Medellin and Colombia normalizing. Hope it sticks. Here is my two cents on Colombian pesos that I would have found helpful on my first trip there:

The price gap for certain "services" has narrowed between US dollars and Colombian pesos, sometimes creating confusion, usually when the chica is trying to pull a con. Fucking and sucking is still a great bang for the buck, pun intended, in Colombia and will be way past the time I die. With the girls, always make clear you are discussing the price in COP (Colombian pesos) preferably, and not USD. Some girls will try to cheat you this way by telling you they meant their price was in USD. Trying to get out of it post hoc is not pleasant to say the least, and sometimes not safe.

When writing, such as here on this Website, this nomenclature removes all doubt and leaves no room for interpretation. For example, 20 mil COP. That would be 20,000 Colombian pesos. Mil is Spanish for thousand, not million, a sometimes error. COP is the international three letter currency abbreviation for Colombian peso, NOTHING to do with the Mexican peso. USD is United States Dollars.

Like in other countries where a standard number of zeros appears after the denomination, Vietnam comes to mind, the zeros end up being ignored. So your 50 mil COP note in your pocket (close to ten bucks USD) is technically 50,000 Colombian pesos, but is referred to as a cincuenta or a fifty. I have often heard the 100 mil COP note referred to as an American twenty, plus a little more. Another baseline you may want to keep in the back of your mind is a million COP is roughly a little less than $300 USD.

Keep in mind that the exchange rate does vary enough to keep track of and even consider timing your withdrawals if you are going to be making frequent trips to the ATM. You want to refuse the conversion rate at the ATM, that is simply a surcharge that you do not have to pay. The majority of the ATM's will still dispense money even after you refuse their conversion rate.

Colombians don't use commas with numbers, they use periods. For example, one million you are used to seeing this 1,000,000. 00, in Colombia it will be written like this 1. 000.000. 00 with all periods. Weird at first but easy to get used to. The spaces were added by this Website's fucked up auto-editor, which needs to be turned off.

Finally, I heard a Colombiana refer to herself as a millionaire, meaning she had roughly $300 USD to her name, jajajja. She was indignant because I would not buy her dinner so she told me was a millionaire, . Jajaja.

A few random gratuitous fotos from my last trip. I will be there soon, making new experiences and fotos. I have heard varied opinions on what a "typical" Paisa looks like. The girls I know and love who are Paisa, if their cheekbones were any higher, their face would be touching the ceiling, jajaja.

[QUOTE=Mechanic88;2575042]I would stay at a nice Airbnb and ask if it's ok to have visitors over. Another option would be Dan Carlton seems like a nice hotel and from what I've read here it's girl friendly.[/QUOTE]Right up your alley.

Sounds cool, but unreliability is a killer, don't want to be stuck at an airport for hours.

[QUOTE=Daga2222;2574136]On the topic of beaches, any recommendations. I might hop to a coastal city since I'm itching for a beach view but none to be had here in Medellin. Is Santa Marta good? I heard Tayrona is where the nice beaches are at so maybe make a few day trips out of that?[/QUOTE]I just left Santa Marta was there for 4 days it is hot as a mfer there thank goodness for the ocean breeze other than that great place.

The Colombia Migracion form for entry into the country has changed. They are now asking whether you have been vaccinated or not, and whether you have a record of it. This begs the question, is there a requirement forthcoming that all visitors must be vaccinated to enter the Country.

Today I logged into the Checkmig site to register for my flight tomorrow back to Medellin. The system did not have my AVIANCA flight in their system, I don't know why, so I said I had a private flight to get to the next page in the registration process. I got bumped off about four times when their platform went down, but finally go thru on the fith attempt and got the registration form.

I don't know what would of happend if I had answered no to the vaccine questions, I've been vaccinated, maybe the government is contemplating a change, who knows.

Just a heads up for anyone not vaccinated, hopefully not an issue.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2575431]If you had a sugar daddy who sent you money, would you admit it? Would you admit it to other sugar daddies who also wanted to send you money?

The first rule of having lots of sugar daddies is to make sure each one thinks they are the only one.

If a girl is able to find herself a sugar daddy, someone to make sure she doesn't have to sell her pussy on a daily basis, more power to her. If she can find 5 sugar daddies, even better. That's 5 guys each spending 5 times as much on one girl who is no longer worth paying for. Makes all the other girls work harder for less.[/QUOTE]Maybe some of the sugar daddies amongst us can weigh in on this. If a guy is sending a Chica every month or week, or whatever it is, what happens if a girl has more than one sugar daddy, and two or more of the sugar daddies are in town at the same time. I would think a "smart" sugar daddy would have an arrangement, at least I would, that when daddy is in town, the girl is only with daddy, not with other daddies.

But maybe I'm missing something here?

[QUOTE=MMHikeus;2575510]In may they were allowing 2 guests at a time. May have relaxed further now.[/QUOTE]Really? That's great to hear! I'm planing on heading down next month and this is awesome news.

Depending on the girl, one "daddy" can be described to another daddy as "sick child or other relative", "college class", "hair salon appointment" or whatever else she senses will keep the mailbox money flowing.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2575759]Maybe some of the sugar daddies amongst us can weigh in on this. If a guy is sending a Chica every month or week, or whatever it is, what happens if a girl has more than one sugar daddy, and two or more of the sugar daddies are in town at the same time. I would think a "smart" sugar daddy would have an arrangement, at least I would, that when daddy is in town, the girl is only with daddy, not with other daddies.

But maybe I'm missing something here?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2575441]I used to also. Just lost touch with her. Knew he rmom. Visited a neighborhood a few times. You assessment is totally consistent. Loves to drink (and eat), but average lay (unmotivated). Not surprised she found a gringo BF to support her lifestyle. Probably explains why I don't get RFM any more![/QUOTE]I still have her on Instagram and both of her accounts on Facebook. I haven't paid attention but can't remember ever seeing a picture of her with a gringo.

He is probably one of many sugar daddies or she is at least still working behind her sugar daddy's back.

When I met her mum it did make me think of many beautiful, disgusting scenarios.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2575759]I would think a "smart" sugar daddy would have an arrangement, at least I would, that when daddy is in town, the girl is only with daddy, not with other daddies.

But maybe I'm missing something here?[/QUOTE]A smart sugar daddy would not have an arrangement. A smart sugar daddy would have a key to the place he is paying for or helping with the bills. A smart sugar daddy would never announce when he is showing up. I am not a sugar daddy, but Iive by 1 and 3. There is no way I would be a sugar daddy without having a key to the place my money was going.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2575759]Maybe some of the sugar daddies amongst us can weigh in on this. If a guy is sending a Chica every month or week, or whatever it is, what happens if a girl has more than one sugar daddy, and two or more of the sugar daddies are in town at the same time. I would think a "smart" sugar daddy would have an arrangement, at least I would, that when daddy is in town, the girl is only with daddy, not with other daddies.

But maybe I'm missing something here?[/QUOTE]Yes. You're afflicted with Dunning Kruger Syndrome, which means you're just a tad shy of the cognitive level necessary to resolve your current conundrum. The only time you have your Sugar Baby is when she's with you. It's kind of like having a condo in Cancun- you really don't think they hold that baby open and clean for you until it's your time to vacation again, do you? The business model is the same. Now, a good Sugar Baby knows what's what, and will go out of her way to make you feel like the sun rises and sets out of your ass. A smart Sugar Baby will have a couple dozen Sugar Daddies on line and keep them all smiling with top notch GFE service. Nobody said it was easy. These girls are businesswomen, and some of them are probably doing better than you are, if given allowances for cost of living and whatnot. If you have a Sugar Baby who leaves you wondering how many other guys there are or "double books" you, time to look for a new Sugar Baby. If you're worried about who's been there before you, you need to find you a nice spinster at the Catholic Hall Bingo Night and stick with her.

[QUOTE=BootyBandit84;2575414]I really like San Peter. Great location and staff was friendly and helpful. The only negative part last time I was there was that you could only have one guest at a time because of covid. So threesomes where not an option there. Does anyone know if this is still the case?[/QUOTE]Have things changed for the better or something? I've never stayed there, but friends do. And my god seriously f that place. My friends were getting ready (3 of them all staying there) and I wanted to go up to one of their rooms to wait 10 minutes. Photocopy of my passport wasn't enough, full color photo of my passport e-mail PLUS my US drivers' license wasn't enough. I wasn't allowed in the fucking building! I have had my passport stolen before, there is no way I'm casually carrying in my pocket for a 6 month stay in Colombia.

I can't even believe it is legal that you can own property & some 3rd party can arbitrarily restrict egress and ingress to your home (one of my contacts owns there, other guys rented just 1 week).

[QUOTE=Parasitius;2575990]Have things changed for the better or something? I've never stayed there, but friends do. And my god seriously f that place. My friends were getting ready (3 of them all staying there) and I wanted to go up to one of their rooms to wait 10 minutes. Photocopy of my passport wasn't enough, full color photo of my passport e-mail PLUS my US drivers' license wasn't enough. I wasn't allowed in the fucking building! I have had my passport stolen before, there is no way I'm casually carrying in my pocket for a 6 month stay in Colombia.

I can't even believe it is legal that you can own property & some 3rd party can arbitrarily restrict egress and ingress to your home (one of my contacts owns there, other guys rented just 1 week).[/QUOTE]Just in case you were not aware their is this thing going around called covid, not sure if you heard about it, now after you hear about what's going on, pitcher you and your family living in that building, would you want to protect them, or fuck that place for trying to keep dirty infected people (that are boning dirty hookers all day long) out of building! Hmmm.

[QUOTE=Parasitius;2575990]Have things changed for the better or something? I've never stayed there, but friends do. And my god seriously f that place. My friends were getting ready (3 of them all staying there) and I wanted to go up to one of their rooms to wait 10 minutes. Photocopy of my passport wasn't enough, full color photo of my passport e-mail PLUS my US drivers' license wasn't enough. I wasn't allowed in the fucking building! I have had my passport stolen before, there is no way I'm casually carrying in my pocket for a 6 month stay in Colombia.

I can't even believe it is legal that you can own property & some 3rd party can arbitrarily restrict egress and ingress to your home (one of my contacts owns there, other guys rented just 1 week).[/QUOTE]You would think that an owner could dictate who can come and go into an apartment they own. But all buildings have the equivalent of homeowners associations, along with rules that all owners must abide by. And the enforcers of these rules at time's besides the rental agencies are the porteros (guards) in the building. In some buildings there are fines levied against the owners for repeatedly violating the rules such as noise. Colombia is not like the USA when it comes to property, especially apartments.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2575978]Yes. You're afflicted with Dunning Kruger Syndrome, which means you're just a tad shy of the cognitive level necessary to resolve your current conundrum..[/QUOTE]This sounds like a very serious malady I am afflicted with. Maybe I need a frontal lobotomy to be a sugar daddy! LOL.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2575759]Maybe some of the sugar daddies amongst us can weigh in on this. If a guy is sending a Chica every month or week, or whatever it is, what happens if a girl has more than one sugar daddy, and two or more of the sugar daddies are in town at the same time. I would think a "smart" sugar daddy would have an arrangement, at least I would, that when daddy is in town, the girl is only with daddy, not with other daddies.

But maybe I'm missing something here?[/QUOTE]Just my opinion. The sugar daddy arrangement is not for the benefit of the sugar daddy. How could it be? Where's the benefit of paying for something for 6 months that you only get to use for 6 days? Even if you had the ability to keep the girl locked down except when she's with you, how do you benefit?

I've got no problem with sending money, but the only real benefit for the sender is the same warm fuzzy feeling you might get from feeding the homeless or any other act of charity. You're not buying loyalty, or real emotion.

[QUOTE=Parasitius;2575990]Have things changed for the better or something? I've never stayed there, but friends do. And my god seriously f that place. My friends were getting ready (3 of them all staying there) and I wanted to go up to one of their rooms to wait 10 minutes. Photocopy of my passport wasn't enough, full color photo of my passport e-mail PLUS my US drivers' license wasn't enough. I wasn't allowed in the fucking building! I have had my passport stolen before, there is no way I'm casually carrying in my pocket for a 6 month stay in Colombia.

I can't even believe it is legal that you can own property & some 3rd party can arbitrarily restrict egress and ingress to your home (one of my contacts owns there, other guys rented just 1 week).[/QUOTE]I have stayed there a couple times now and I really liked the area, rooms and staff. I have only rented though. They only ask me for the passport during check in and I certainly don't carry my passport out side the apartment. They do ask for ID for guest coming in passport or cedula, but has to be the real thing no photo copies. I can see how this would be annoying if you owned one of the units and you couldn't bring a guest in.

Now that's dropping some real knowledge on the totally clueless! Force me to post.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2575806]Depending on the girl, one "daddy" can be described to another daddy as "sick child or other relative", "college class", "hair salon appointment" or whatever else she senses will keep the mailbox money flowing.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2575885]A smart sugar daddy would not have an arrangement. A smart sugar daddy would have a key to the place he is paying for or helping with the bills. A smart sugar daddy would never announce when he is showing up. I am not a sugar daddy, but Iive by 1 and 3. There is no way I would be a sugar daddy without having a key to the place my money was going.[/QUOTE]Having a key isn't much help. Whoever is living there will still bring whoever they want, in and out, at will. And at any point, everything you've bought is liable to disappear, along with the girl.

Been through that with a wife. I was gone literally all the time. She did whatever she wanted, came and went, spent the money I was earning and wasn't much I could do about it. When she'd gotten all she could, she loaded up everything she wanted in a you-Haul and left a note on the counter with the phone number of the lawyer who had the divorce papers. I learned about it through email.

Paying for something you don't have direct control of means you're just a bystander to whatever happens.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2575880]I still have her on Instagram and both of her accounts on Facebook. I haven't paid attention but can't remember ever seeing a picture of her with a gringo.

He is probably one of many sugar daddies or she is at least still working behind her sugar daddy's back.

When I met her mum it did make me think of many beautiful, disgusting scenarios.[/QUOTE]I just recently spent over 3 days with 3 of 4 different girls (which ones were with me varied). We went to 3 different places that provided a lot of photo opportunities. A lot of pictures were taken, including a lot of pictures of me. Not one single picture of me ended up in any of their Facebook or Instagram posts. No mention, no tags, nothing, which is exactly what I expected.

We're just the ones who provide them the opportunity to take all those great photos, but that's as far as our usefulness goes.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2575806]Depending on the girl, one "daddy" can be described to another daddy as "sick child or other relative", "college class", "hair salon appointment" or whatever else she senses will keep the mailbox money flowing.[/QUOTE]Sometimes I think I'm too cynical. Other times I realize there's no such thing.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2575996]......that are boning dirty hookers all day long.....[/QUOTE]I don't know who you sleep with but none of the girls I see are in the least bit dirty. LOL.

Ymmv.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2576004]Just my opinion. The sugar daddy arrangement is not for the benefit of the sugar daddy. How could it be? Where's the benefit of paying for something for 6 months that you only get to use for 6 days? Even if you had the ability to keep the girl locked down except when she's with you, how do you benefit?[/QUOTE]Another approach is to put a girl on retainer with the arrangement being that when Daddy is in town, the girl is on call for him the entire time if wanted by Daddy. Of course paying for six months for six days doesn't make sense unless the monthly payment amount is low, and the Daddy is so smitten by the girl that he has no problem paying the money.

The ideal situation might be for a guy who spends more like six months a year in the Country, and has a favorite he want's to help out.

But the Daddy has to be able to accept that when he's away, the girl will do what she's going to do and not be bothered with it.

And the benefit for the sugar daddy is having someone basically on call they like being with when there around.

Not sure if this is a "true" sugar daddy arrangement, but may make sense depending on the parties and the monies involved.

Where can I go to get a test before the flight back to the US other than the airport? I saw someone posted [URL]https://cendiatra.com/.[/URL] Are there any others and can I set up an appointment fot them to come to my hotel or AirBnB?

Thanks.

Some of you guys have a really, really warped sense of reality. No wonder you you loiter on forums like these haha.

If you like a girl and want to support her bcos she needs help, what's wrong with that? Isn't that how all relationships work?

Why would you think that entitles you to "lock her up", enslave her to you? Is that how a successful relationship works?

You can go round and FK who you want, so can she. If you have an open relationship, all well and good. If you demand she only has sex when you turn up while you want to screw around. Good luck with that, you will surely get what that unreasonable demand deserves. If you want to marry her and have a monogamous relationship, do the paperwork and make it happen.

Otherwise, just enjoy what you have and don't beat yourself up if you feel like helping someone.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2576105]Some of you guys have a really, really warped sense of reality. No wonder you you loiter on forums like these haha.

If you like a girl and want to support her bcos she needs help, what's wrong with that? Isn't that how all relationships work?

Why would you think that entitles you to "lock her up", enslave her to you? Is that how a successful relationship works?

You can go round and FK who you want, so can she. If you have an open relationship, all well and good. If you demand she only has sex when you turn up while you want to screw around. Good luck with that, you will surely get what that unreasonable demand deserves. If you want to marry her and have a monogamous relationship, do the paperwork and make it happen.

Otherwise, just enjoy what you have and don't beat yourself up if you feel like helping someone.[/QUOTE]You seem to have completely missed the point.

Helping someone out and being a sugar daddy are 2 completely unrelated things. I help people out all the time, in many different ways, not only by giving them money. There's no expectation of anything in return. I'm helping the person out simply because I want to help them, not because they will like me, or do something to benefit me.

Being a sugar daddy is the act of buying something. You're buying access, a certain type of behavior, certain favors. If the money stops the arrangement stops. If the other person isn't fulfilling their end of the bargain, the money stops, at least in an ideal world. Unfortunately, many guys feel that if they pour more money in, things will somehow improve.

To further confuse things you want to toss in "successful relationship" as a red herring? Normal relationships don't begin with "how much will I have to pay you to fuck me?" Nor do they continue with "how much do you need each month to be willing to keep fucking me?

Imagine this. Imagine paying every month to rent a car that you can have free use of whenever you're in Medellin. Every month you pay the maintenance, insurance and parking for the car. If anything unexpected comes up, you have to pay more. One thing, you don't own the car.

None of this changes the number of days you're able to be in Medellin. None of this guarantees the car will be available when you need it. None of this guarantees it will remain in the same condition you left it. You have no way to control who drives it or when. All you're buying is the hope the car will be available and in good condition each time you return.

You can make whatever rules you want, but you have no way to enforce those rules. However, none of the rules are unreasonable. If you're paying for something, you are certainly entitled to set limits. And you're not obligated to observe those limits. Is your employer required to work the same schedule as you? Is he limited to the same compensation and benefits? Of course not. He's writing the checks, he decides which rules apply to whom.

If someone wants to find a girl in Medellin to marry and settle down with, more power to them. Most are going to eventually learn they made an expensive mistake, but that's their problem.

If someone wants to maintain a sugar baby in Medellin, again, more power to them. The other mongers in Medellin will appreciate their girl having a better phone to send them pictures with, not to mention all the nice lingerie.

If someone wants to send money to help out girls in Medellin, great. I'm sure they all appreciate it.

However, if you are having trouble differentiating between these 3, completely unrelated activities, you probably need to hire someone to slap some sense into you, because trying to go from giving charity, to being a sugar daddy, to being a husband is a guaranteed disaster.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2576105]
If you like a girl and want to support her bcos she needs help, what's wrong with that? Isn't that how all relationships work?
[/QUOTE]I think that sentence says everything that is wrong with the situation. Is anyone really solely motivated to send money to a chica because she needs help? Would they do the same for a chica who was not in the least bit attractive. No I don't thinks so. There is no reality in that ideal. I have nothing against the ideal but no its not happening. There may be guys who see it as a dual motivation, partly motivated by the ideal that she needs help and partially by wanting to fuck her but if she stops fucking him is he still going to give her money?

Bottom line is that unless you met the chica and had some non transactional relationship with her first before the ideal of sending her money, then you are in a relationship with the chica based on money. If you do not spell out to her what your expectations are then you should not have any expectations (and those expectations should be realistic, if you think she is going to stay chaste while you are not around, that is naïve) but expecting her to spend all her time with you while you are in town is reasonable. She is like a timeshare that you make lease payments on.

Anyone who gets involved on any level with a chica that is a prepago and then gets upset at any point down the road that she fucked some other guy is living out Aesop's Fable about the Farmer who revived a freezing viper back to life by sticking it in his coat to warm it, and when the viper got reinvigorated it bit the farmer. Because that is its nature. I am not saying that chicas are snakes, some of them are really sweet, but it is their nature to fuck other guys, and if anyone expects anything else or get their feelings hurt then they have totally misjudged the nature of the situation.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2575997]You would think that an owner could dictate who can come and go into an apartment they own. But all buildings have the equivalent of homeowners associations, along with rules that all owners must abide by. And the enforcers of these rules at time's besides the rental agencies are the porteros (guards) in the building. In some buildings there are fines levied against the owners for repeatedly violating the rules such as noise. Colombia is not like the USA when it comes to property, especially apartments.[/QUOTE]This is why I decided not to buy in a building in Medellin but bought a house instead. No stupid people or rules to deal with so far.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2576004]Just my opinion. The sugar daddy arrangement is not for the benefit of the sugar daddy. How could it be? Where's the benefit of paying for something for 6 months that you only get to use for 6 days? Even if you had the ability to keep the girl locked down except when she's with you, how do you benefit?

I've got no problem with sending money, but the only real benefit for the sender is the same warm fuzzy feeling you might get from feeding the homeless or any other act of charity. You're not buying loyalty, or real emotion.[/QUOTE]So with this comment.

Are some men really sending these SA girls money on a monthly basis? This is absurd and anyone who does this deserves a ban from Colombia, a ban from this forum, have his penis removed and swapped for a vagina. Or replace it with a blank space with a thumbs down tattoo LOL.

Seriously fellas. When you join SA, it does state no PPM (pay per meet) as a way to discourage prostitution on the site as they don't want to get shut down. Hence why most people do Monthly / Weekly allowances. But you can make arrangements without buying into a subscription. A monthly allowance is popular in the states, but most guys who does this see the girl regularly. But overseas fellas, really? Unless you live there and make plan to see her like twice a week, three times a week, then why would you do this and what's the upside? Charity or just cause you can?. Nuff said. Like someone else wrote earlier no wonder why some join this site. The guidance seekers, the leachers, as Simps will always be Simps. I can't get surprised enough on what men do in desperation for affection, in this case fake affection from women who share themselves everywhere, probably kissing you with my sperm still leaking on side of her lips.

Yeah, mom looks pretty good. And better than ever since she lost weight in the last year. I had always heard that she would bang for money, but never got in a position to try. Had her in the jacuzzi with Enlly a few times, but that's as far as it went. Too bad. Enlly is very good about never posting fotos with gringos. Keeping it tight like that allows her to have multiple sugars or boyfriends and bring in money from multiple sources.

I suspect Leidy Barone and AleXandra are the same, but are a little more premium.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2575880]I still have her on Instagram and both of her accounts on Facebook. I haven't paid attention but can't remember ever seeing a picture of her with a gringo.

He is probably one of many sugar daddies or she is at least still working behind her sugar daddy's back.

When I met her mum it did make me think of many beautiful, disgusting scenarios.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2576134]You seem to have completely missed the point.

Helping someone out and being a sugar daddy are 2 completely unrelated things. I help people out all the time, in many different ways, not only by giving them money. There's no expectation of anything in return. I'm helping the person out simply because I want to help them, not because they will like me, or do something to benefit me.

Being a sugar daddy is the act of buying something. You're buying access, a certain type of behavior, certain favors. If the money stops the arrangement stops. If the other person isn't fulfilling their end of the bargain, the money stops, at least in an ideal world. Unfortunately, many guys feel that if they pour more money in, things will somehow improve.

To further confuse things you want to toss in "successful relationship" as a red herring? Normal relationships don't begin with "how much will I have to pay you to fuck me?" Nor do they continue with "how much do you need each month to be willing to keep fucking me?

Imagine this. Imagine paying every month to rent a car that you can have free use of whenever you're in Medellin. Every month you pay the maintenance, insurance and parking for the car. If anything unexpected comes up, you have to pay more. One thing, you don't own the car..[/QUOTE]Haven't been on here in a minute. Sugar daddy. Charity. Whatever hardship or problem they are going through sounds like a personal problem. Not mine. They can starve for all I care. Yet somehow these broads are like roaches surviving a nuclear bomb because no matter how many times you hear a btch has no milk to feed her baby or she hasn't eaten in days. Somehow months later this btch still breathing and asking for assistance from her gringo cajeros. Any guy that thinks otherwise in my opinion es un flojo. Idk if we're allowed to use the s word. From what I've seen personally and from experiences from many others is that no matter how many times you help them with their problems when you actually have an issue yourself they will be no where to be found. And yah yah there are exceptions but let's face it with all these guys bringing over that westernized pedestalizing mentality most look at gringos as un cajero. If you think you are special and that your game is that tight or that you found yourself that unicorn then hey carry on with whatever helps you sleep at night. But to me you are either paying for it hourly in person or your supporting a puta overseas while one of us keeps her warm for you. Or worse your flying these broads to you. Also, I know some on this board like to pretend they aren't doing the exact things they are admonishing. Unless you bagging these thots for free you got nothing to brag about.

So true. They would never admit that all of the nice places they good, food they eat, and drinks they drink are paid for by gringos. It's one big fantasy and these girls are always trying to one up the other. Very competitive. And "boyfriends" are never disclosed.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2576082]I just recently spent over 3 days with 3 of 4 different girls (which ones were with me varied). We went to 3 different places that provided a lot of photo opportunities. A lot of pictures were taken, including a lot of pictures of me. Not one single picture of me ended up in any of their Facebook or Instagram posts. No mention, no tags, nothing, which is exactly what I expected.

We're just the ones who provide them the opportunity to take all those great photos, but that's as far as our usefulness goes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2576161]Are some men really sending these SA girls money on a monthly basis? This is absurd and anyone who does this deserves a ban from Colombia, a ban from this forum,[/QUOTE]Sorry brother. This is neither a Seeking Arrangement thing nor a Colombia thing. This is more a pussy over man thing.

A hooker/porn chick in the golden age of Rio named Lebara used to take guys to her house a couple of hours away in Petropolis. My buddy went and said there was a stack of Western Union papers on top of a brand new China cabinet some guy just bought. Her mom grabbed the stack and asked her if my buddy knew how to fill the form out so he could send money too.

A buddy in the States is from Thailand. He was sending money back to his hometown to his girlfriend that turns out had another boyfriend. We could go on forever with these sending money stories that have been being created since the dawn of man being able to send money to women. I do not get it myself, but it always has been and always will continue to be a thing.

P. S. 1. I know gay guys that do the same shit, so it is actually more than a man-pussy thing. 2. I just googled Lebara and some old pictures came up.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2576175]Sorry brother. This is neither a Seeking Arrangement thing nor a Colombia thing. This is more a pussy over man thing.

A hooker/porn chick in the golden age of Rio named Lebara used to take guys to her house a couple of hours away in Petropolis. My buddy went and said there was a stack of Western Union papers on top of a brand new China cabinet some guy just bought. Her mom grabbed the stack and asked her if my buddy knew how to fill the form out so he could send money too.

A buddy in the States is from Thailand. He was sending money back to his hometown to his girlfriend that turns out had another boyfriend. We could go on forever with these sending money stories that have been being created since the dawn of man being able to send money to women. I do not get it myself, but it always has been and always will continue to be a thing.

P. S. 1. I know gay guys that do the same shit, so it is actually more than a man-pussy thing. 2. I just googled Lebara and some old pictures came up.[/QUOTE]I have never (regrettably) been to Colombia, and at my age it's not likely I'll ever go. I do, however, live in the Philippines where identical scenarios to that described above, play out every day. There are lots of variations on the theme, and they never fail to attract the gullible. I cannot recall how many times I have warned newbies here that they are being played, and in every case, I've been ignored, typically provoking a response such as: "I hear what you're saying, and I appreciate it, but this girl is different. " It has gotten to the point where I've simply stopped trying to warn anyone. Maybe the tendency to fall for these scams is a universal willingness to engage in willing suspension of disbelief.

GE.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2576082]A lot of pictures were taken, including a lot of pictures of me. Not one single picture of me ended up in any of their Facebook or Instagram posts. No mention, no tags, nothing, which is exactly what I expected.[/QUOTE]It is what you expected, but is it what you wanted? You say that as if you were hoping they would post you and mention you. Only if it was some platonic friend would I mind a chick posting and tagging me. Chicks that I have interest in or am in a relationship with I have never added as a friend on facebook. I look at it as something for me and my friends and acquaintances. To me adding a chick I am involved with to my facebook is like bringing her to guys' poker night.

[QUOTE=MistaDynamite;2576104]Where can I go to get a test before the flight back to the US other than the airport? I saw someone posted [URL]https://cendiatra.com/.[/URL] Are there any others and can I set up an appointment fot them to come to my hotel or AirBnB?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I took an Uber late in the afternoon here, I get there in the pouring rain jump out and they wouldn't let me in without my passport, this was at 3 pm they close at 4 pm.

So I returned the next day at 3 pm with my passport, they said I would have to return in the morning for the printed results, I returned in the morning again without my passport.

And they didn't want to give me the results w / o my passport, I explained I would miss my flight, and they gave me the results.

They are right around the corner from Zandaly casa.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/place/Centrolab[/URL]+I. P.S. / at 6. 254787,-75.5633598,15 z / data=!4 m5!3 m4!1 s0 x0:0 x3813 b3 f6 c843 ee3 b!8 m2!3 d6. 254787!4 d-75.5633598.

Post-script bring your passport.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2576175]Sorry brother. This is neither a Seeking Arrangement thing nor a Colombia thing. This is more a pussy over man thing.

A hooker/porn chick in the golden age of Rio named Lebara used to take guys to her house a couple of hours away in Petropolis. My buddy went and said there was a stack of Western Union papers on top of a brand new China cabinet some guy just bought. Her mom grabbed the stack and asked her if my buddy knew how to fill the form out so he could send money too.

A buddy in the States is from Thailand. He was sending money back to his hometown to his girlfriend that turns out had another boyfriend. We could go on forever with these sending money stories that have been being created since the dawn of man being able to send money to women. I do not get it myself, but it always has been and always will continue to be a thing.

P. S. 1. I know gay guys that do the same shit, so it is actually more than a man-pussy thing. 2. I just googled Lebara and some old pictures came up.[/QUOTE]It's not even a pussy thing.

Webcams generate about $7 billion a year and strong growth is projected to continue for at least several more years. While there are plenty of webcam models who are selling pussy on the side, most of the successful ones never meet any of the guys who support them. These are women who are working 20-30 hours a week and pulling in $100 k annually and up. Each one of them has one or more guys who is spending well over $1000 monthly on them and who has done so for years. That money buys a few private photos and videos, along with some form of direct message contact, but rarely includes their actual phone or Whatsapp number. If they do give out a number, it's often one that's used purely for business.

What it doesn't buy is sex, or even a real date. One of my closest friends has been doing this for years, and in all that time, she's met one customer. He spent a few thousand dollars on a vacation and got to have lunch with her. And after 5 years, he's still spending money on her every time she's online.

What's going on is no different than your high school buddy who got married straight out of highschool and is still with the same woman. Most guys are looking for someone who makes them feel special. They dump money on strippers, hookers and webcam models because those women are professionals at making guys feel special. The guy who is still happily married after 30 or 40 years is no different.

It carries over in lots of areas. Waitresses, hairdressers, masseuses and so many more, if they can make their customers feel special, they make more money and the customers keep coming back.

If we're being honest, most of us have walked that road at some point in our life. Whether it was throwing gifts and attention at the highschool sweetheart, or making it rain at the strip club.

Some get over it and some never do.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2576134]If someone wants to maintain a sugar baby in Medellin, again, more power to them. The other mongers in Medellin will appreciate their girl having a better phone to send them pictures with, not to mention all the nice lingerie.[/QUOTE]I used to mess with a chick in Cali. I was going down and she asked me if I wanted to see her in a nurse outfit, schoolgirl outfit, or something else. Whatever I chose she showed up with. She told me she needed money to pay for the outfit.

We took a taxi for her to go to a job interview. She did not know the address of the place so she had to use my phone to check her email. She did not sign out. She went into the interview and I stayed outside reading her email.

She had gone to Bogota to see an Arab guy and had taken pictures in the hotel with him in the same outfit she was trying to get me to pay for. All I could do was laugh. We are still friends and still talk every now and then (she lives in London now), but I have never let her know about the stuff that I found out from reading her emails. To be fair, we did not have a monogamous relationship; it is just the fact of her trying to get me to pay for some shit she already had that she was acting like she bought especially for me.

Surgeried chick from Cali that I hit at Raudal today. Tons of people out today and yesterday. She would not let me take a picture in the room, so I snuck one when we got back outside. 50K for her 16K for the room. She said 500K for all night. Maybe she thought I was staying in Poblado.

[QUOTE=FrankLucas;2576156]This is why I decided not to buy in a building in Medellin but bought a house instead. No stupid people or rules to deal with so far.[/QUOTE]The only downside to a house versus an apartment is the added level of security for properties with Porteros. Nobody will be getting into the building that doesn't belong there, so for guys that can deal with the rules it makes sense.

As an example, I have a friend who bought an apartment in a small building in Laureles, with no security, and know he wishes he hadn't as he is reluctant to bring Chicas over, albeit a few, in fear someone might try to rob him.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2576175] so it is actually more than a man-pussy thing. [/QUOTE]My buddy's full time maid sends all her salary back to her boy friend who is building a house in her home town. My buddy keeps telling her to keep half for herself but she does not listen. Not sure how it will end up.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2576089]I don't know who you sleep with but none of the girls I see are in the least bit dirty. LOL.

Ymmv.[/QUOTE]Good for you, I'm also sure all them hot clean looking girls are for sure only fking you, so their not dirty, hmmm hmmm! Oh and by the way so your sure, I bang the similar dirty hookers you have displayed only differences is you don't think yours are dirty, and I know what mine all are! LOL! Stay safe! And of course Ymmv.

Weird thing about Colombia and this group of great mongers, 1. If you're not in Poblado, you're not banging the best chics. 2. Only the select few members find the diamonds in Parque Botero. 3. No one ever spends more than 35,000 pesos for sex in centro. Thanks to Mr Enternational for keeping it honest with the 50,000 pesos and 16,000 pesos for the room. 4 if you use seeking then you have most definitely found the best chics in Medellin. 5. if you haven't stayed at the Mansion then you're missing out on one hell of an experience. 6. if you invest in any property, its a lost, regardless, even if you just want a place to call your own and store items when you leave the country. 6. don't every mention money on this board, otherwise your arrogant, cocky, and usually broke, according to those with the most money and largest opinions. 7 did I mention that you are the scum of the earth if you are banging chics in centro bareback? 8. No chic from centro has ever made it Parque lleras and asked for 10 times the rate that she receives in Centro. 9. No one from the board ever spends more money on a room than he does Pu $$why, because the room and location, usually Poblado / Laureles will get you a skinny chic with flawless skin and perfect ass, this happens all of the time. 10. Never take anything that I post as valid information, because most of my adventures and girls are not real or exist, I have only been traveling to Medellin for 4 years now.

P.S, I will be back in Medellin at the end of the month, mostly for relaxation and business, I have one day to goof off and then I am tucked away with my girlfriend for a week. Every goal that I set after leaving Medellin in November of 2020 I have met and exceeded. Covid has created more opportunity than ever in certain professions. Hope everyone who is in Medellin is having a blast and enjoying the mongering trip that they planned and not attempting to live up anyone's expectation from this board, each monger is different and each adventure will have different results. As always, Pollo Negro is out!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2576185]It is what you expected, but is it what you wanted? You say that as if you were hoping they would post you and mention you. Only if it was some platonic friend would I mind a chick posting and tagging me. Chicks that I have interest in or am in a relationship with I have never added as a friend on facebook. I look at it as something for me and my friends and acquaintances. To me adding a chick I am involved with to my facebook is like bringing her to guys' poker night.[/QUOTE]It's what I expected and what I wanted. I have no desire for any of the girls to tag me, or mention me. I get my pleasure from the time I spend, not from the girls telling their friends about it.

There was one Facebook girl in Medellin about 4 years ago who was hoping for another date, or maybe something more that tagged me in a couple of photos, that I wasn't in and had nothing to do with, trying to get my attention. She kinda stalked me one night at a party, but I didn't give her any encouragement and eventually she went away.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2575431].

If a girl is able to find herself a sugar daddy, someone to make sure she doesn't have to sell her pussy on a daily basis, more power to her. If she can find 5 sugar daddies, even better. That's 5 guys each spending 5 times as much on one girl who is no longer worth paying for. Makes all the other girls work harder for less.[/QUOTE]I've had girls here in Colombia and in Venezuela on social media tell me they are looking for a sugar daddy and I block / delete them immediately. Too many available women / freaks out here for me to be giving chicas money for the hell of it. Of course, if we are together hanging out, I'll look out and make sure we have a good time. But, I ain't trying to be your daddy or your baby's daddy either.

I know some older dudes here that have taken on live-in GFs and they pay for everything, but that seems different to me because the chica lives with them, they do everything together and the dudes can still creep when they want to.

Sending some babe money in another country. Never saw the logic in that, unless dude is into charity. Nothing wrong with charity, if that is your thing. I remember they used to call them Western Union Novios / Captain SAHs.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2576134]You seem to have completely missed the point.

Helping someone out and being a sugar daddy are 2 completely unrelated things. I help people out all the time, in many different ways, not only by giving them money. There's no expectation of anything in return. I'm helping the person out simply because I want to help them, not because they will like me, or do something to benefit me.

Being a sugar daddy is the act of buying something. ...

However, if you are having trouble differentiating between these 3, completely unrelated activities, you probably need to hire someone to slap some sense into you, because trying to go from giving charity, to being a sugar daddy, to being a husband is a guaranteed disaster.[/QUOTE]Yes, I am having trouble differentiating between the situations bcos I don't believe there is any difference between them. It's all about perspective. It seems that you want to define Sugar Daddy as someone that suppprts a girl and enslaves her with rules. If that's your definition then fine. We disagree on the definition. I would say that anyone looking in on a relationship from the outside and sees an older guy supporting a younger woman from afar, would say that is a sugar daddy. Rules don't come in to it. And that is how I would describe a sugar daddy too. Merriam-Webster seems to agree with me at least: [URL]https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sugar%20daddy[/URL].

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2576089]I don't know who you sleep with but none of the girls I see are in the least bit dirty. LOL.

Ymmv.[/QUOTE]Wolf, great photos.

If you can pm me the contact info on the chica black hair removing her panties with black bra still on, mucho gracias.

You got good taste in chicas.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2576216]My buddy's full time maid sends all her salary back to her boy friend who is building a house in her home town. My buddy keeps telling her to keep half for herself but she does not listen. Not sure how it will end up.[/QUOTE]You can't talk logic or reason to many women. The hamster in their brains keeps on spinning. She is a maid fir a reason. It's a train wreck at times, hopefully she made the correct choice.

At fase 2 I remember telling a girl she can be my empleada (maid) and I will pay her more than she makes there. I forgot the details as this was a few years back, and she looks at me in a disgusted way. Just this past weekend, I was using a cam site, and seeing if I can get the girls whatsapp for free. I told her I would buy her a new outfit at studio f to go out, a nice dinner at a fancy restaurant and a night out at a place on las Palmas. She tells me, she wants the equivalent of $75 for her whatsapp. Well, aside from the fact that she is probably a scammer who will make up excuses to not meet up after the exchange of numbers she is where she is at for many reasons. 1 is they live in the present and cannot think of the future. Her math is not so good, a decent outfit in. Studio F is worth more than $75. It becomes comical at times.

Guys, try it out yourselves. Next time you are in a strip club or casa etc, ask your girl on average per month, how much she makes and how many days she works. For example, she says 2 million pesos a month more or less. Then offer her to be your empleada for that. She will probably say no. Zero chance of catching an std, normal hours, dignified job where she can tell her family etc, does not have to have sex with men she is disgusted to look at. Meanwhile she prefers to work late nights on the weekends while her friends are out, hanging around on her cell phone, waiting until the end of the night to make $50? Sometimes more and even at times nothing, minus taxi etc. Maybe a captain save a ho will show up, but odds are against that. Of course, personally I would not trust her to be alone in my house, but even if I did, they probably would be lousy at their jobs anyhow.

None of us are perfect. I do stupid things and acknowledge it. I used to wait in long lines at clubs. Today, hell no. Thinking like many. Men go to clubs looking for sex. While women go to clubs looking for simps. For those who like the sugar lifestyle, to each their own. I prefer to rent for a day or 2 and return.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2576323]Yes, I am having trouble differentiating between the situations bcos I don't believe there is any difference between them. It's all about perspective. It seems that you want to define Sugar Daddy as someone that suppprts a girl and enslaves her with rules. If that's your definition then fine. We disagree on the definition. I would say that anyone looking in on a relationship from the outside and sees an older guy supporting a younger woman from afar, would say that is a sugar daddy. Rules don't come in to it. And that is how I would describe a sugar daddy too. Merriam-Webster seems to agree with me at least: [URL]https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sugar%20daddy[/URL].[/QUOTE]Agreed, Paying for anything you're not using you are all of those terms and beyond pathetic. I may have 2 phD and an MD but I can see the alumni of Clown you are the strong on this board.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2576238]Weird thing about Colombia and this group of great mongers, 1. If you're not in Poblado, you're not banging the best chics. 2. Only the select few members find the diamonds in Parque Botero. 3. No one ever spends more than 35,000 pesos for sex in centro. Thanks to Mr Enternational for keeping it honest with the 50,000 pesos and 16,000 pesos for the room. 4 if you use seeking then you have most definitely found the best chics in Medellin. 5. if you haven't stayed at the Mansion then you're missing out on one hell of an experience. 6. if you invest in any property, its a lost, regardless, even if you just want a place to call your own and store items when you leave the country. 6. don't every mention money on this board, otherwise your arrogant, cocky, and usually broke, according to those with the most money and largest opinions. 7 did I mention that you are the scum of the earth if you are banging chics in centro bareback? 8. No chic from centro has ever made it Parque lleras and asked for 10 times the rate that she receives in Centro. 9. No one from the board ever spends more money on a room than he does Pu $$why, because the room and location, usually Poblado / Laureles will get you a skinny chic with flawless skin and perfect ass, this happens all of the time. 10. Never take anything that I post as valid information, because most of my adventures and girls are not real or exist, I have only been traveling to Medellin for 4 years now.[/QUOTE]It's so funny how your last item is the one that's correct. Mostly nonsense is what you just wrote. Mongering has no rules, no laws, no set pricings as these women aren't robots.

Stop writing rules or thinking you know it all. You said some here are arrogant and you actually meet the exact definition of arrogant with this list LOL.

- I'm in Medellin now, and met at last 3 chicas so far which I would rate a solid 8 (Fair rating w over 10 years of mongering) - met them in centro then I see them at night in parque Lleras. This is fact, period, any opinion is irrelevant. They go from the 30-50 k pricing to asking me 200 minimo in lleras, had to remind them hey I need centro pricing. I was with my boys and shit was funny as heck, then settled with one for 100 an HR, she was you're right. And gave me a centro discount at night haha. This hobby is fun, it's flex, just use your skills for maneuvering, manipulating and negotiating with WG and you'll be fine.

- Stop this BS with the hold the line crap. I've read hundreds of reports here where dudes pay 30 k in centro + 30 k+ tip. I always pay 50 k min plus hotel. I do the same in newlife and other casas, and when I go back they remember that. These girls often whisper to me on a voluntary basis that they prefer fucking gringos than the locals. Photoprepago girls tell me the same thing. Why, because we tip, because we are more caballeros (gentlemen). This is coming from them and we should be proud of that as foreigners. So tipping $2-$10 worth of pesos is nothing for fck's sake. You're mocking guys who maybe broke but you just told the world you're cheap and broke LOL.

- Also poblado is just more expensive and more safe perhaps for the chomps. Nothing special. The girls are just as hot in other places. Went to Barra Ej club last night, block from Nutibara, place was filled 6/7's, with many 8's and a couple 9's at least. Only 80 k to bang, 5 k beer. Poblado 25 k beer in Gusto and 300-700 k for a rundown hoe with extra make up. That's what you call hotter? Nah, you just pay extra for the location since Poblado is more beautiful and the bars are a bit more fancy, not the girls. The girls are just the same. Nightly I can count at least 50 centro chicas circling lleras lmao.

- I agree, the mansion is for losers and newbies only.

- I use seeking and agreed (just got to have patience, I closed it but may give another shot), the hottest girls in Medellin hands down, non pros, clean and let me bang raw and nut inside LOL. A 9 came two days ago from 7 pm to 10 am next day, went to dinner, bars, dance, 3 rounds all BBFS, only 200 k next day. She's happy and returning tonight.

- I met a vet who nearly lives here, and said there are like 100+ casas in Medellin incl strip clubs, etc. The Medellin map from this board doesn't have even half of those. So just explore and don't think you've seen it all. If you hate arrogance then just don't sound like one. I only speak of what I know for facts, and stay open to learn.

I have reports coming. Medellin is LIT right now. Come down fellas.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2576175]Sorry brother. This is neither a Seeking Arrangement thing nor a Colombia thing. This is more a pussy over man thing.[/QUOTE]You're 100% right. I mentioned SA since there was an ongoing discussion about it. Went to Costa Rica few years back, met this chica and went full GFE, BBFS, CIM, everything. Then found out she had an American fiancee, western union novio sending her money every month. Then she got married and even sent me pictures of her wedding on Fb LOL. I said congrats and asked when will you be avail again? LOL, she replied and said soon. And yes met her again on following trip, she works in Del Rey hotel without her hubby's knowledge. I guess after honeymoon was over and when the dude returned to the state.

Lots of simps do this also in the DR, many of these chics have western union papis. Sometimes it's helpful and I've gotten better discounts from these girls cause they're not desperate, also they're not banging 10 dudes a day and they become very selective bc they got cash coming weeky. So technically those daddies are helping us fellas. I get better svc from these girls, they dress better, smell better, and definitely tigher. All because of the daddies.

I guess I should say a big thank you LMAO.

[QUOTE=Tudman;2576352]For those who like the sugar lifestyle, to each their own. I prefer to rent for a day or 2 and return.[/QUOTE]Best quote I can cite about our hobby is [I]"Men do not pay women for sex, but to see them disappearing after sex"[/I].

Besides regular P4P activities, I am one who did spend money to have a girl pretending to be my girlfriend, then I started wondering "what am I doing here?" and I evolved, starting to offer money to 2 girls, to pretend they are my 2 girlfriends and we are a happy trio. All this only in Batam, Indonesia, because there local girls really can make you feel they are girlfriends with benefits, and never in Colombia, because in Colombia girls are very clear it's a business arrangement.

With all this, everytime I finish the deed I start wondering "who is this girl sleeping here? Who's next?" and I go back to the Wise Statement above.

[QUOTE=Tudman;2576352]She is a maid fir a reason.[/QUOTE]She is a migrant worker. By going to another country, she makes at least 4 times more which is also much more than a college graduate makes in her home town.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2576323]It seems that you want to define Sugar Daddy as someone that suppprts a girl and enslaves her with rules.[/QUOTE]I don't see anything he said fit the definition.

[URL]https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slave[/URL]

[QUOTE=Tudman;2576352]Guys, try it out yourselves. Next time you are in a strip club or casa etc, ask your girl. Then offer her to be your empleada for that. She will probably say no. Zero chance of catching an std, normal hours, dignified job where she can tell her family[/QUOTE]This is ridiculous. You are hiring her because she is a hooker and not because of her skills as a maid. So what is the difference between her getting paid at the club and getting paid at your house? If you were really interested in a maid then you would put out an ad for an actual maid instead of trying to turn a hooker into one. I once paid a hooker to clean my place and it turned out horrible. I could see why she was a hooker and not a cleaner. And what did she tell me? You can't say I didn't warn you. That she did. People know their own strengths and weaknesses. If they wanted regular jobs, then they would have signed up for them just like the majority of the population. You can't turn a hooker into a housewife or a housekeeper.

[QUOTE=Tudman;2576352]etc, does not have to have sex with men she is disgusted to look at.[/QUOTE]Did you take into account that she may have said no because she was disgusted to look at you, or it is only other men she could be disgusted to look at?

[QUOTE=Tudman;2576352]Meanwhile she prefers to work late nights on the weekends while her friends are out, hanging around on her cell phone, waiting until the end of the night to make $50?[/QUOTE]We all have our preferences. Don't try to force on them the preferences you think they should have.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2576396]

Did you take into account that she may have said no because she was disgusted to look at you, or it is only other men she could be disgusted to look at?

We all have our preferences. Don't try to force on them the preferences you think they should have.[/QUOTE]While I agree with this for the most part. I do think is it more common in Colombia for men to be fucking their maids, secretaries and so on than in the US where such things are frowned upon and even illegal and often can come back when relationships go sideways, and lead to the downfall of people in higher positions. I have seen this girl that works cleaning houses 2-3 times a week, she gets paid 80 mil for a full days work (what she told me). I was giving her 150 mil for a couple of hours but of course I was not there all the time, and I know she does the same with other mongers as well. But she uses this more to augment her income as a maid than replace it, I could never figure out why not just working girl a little more as the 80 mil wasn't much. I asked her directly once and she said well she likes cleaning houses and thinks hard work is good for her, and also that's what her daughter thinks she does for a living. So they all have their reasons, and I don't mess with that or try and use my financial position to change the status quo.

All I know though is if I was living there, she would be cleaning my house. Jajaja.

[QUOTE=Tudman;2576352]You can't talk logic or reason to many women. The hamster in their brains keeps on spinning. She is a maid fir a reason. It's a train wreck at times, hopefully she made the correct choice.

At fase 2 I remember telling a girl she can be my empleada (maid) and I will pay her more than she makes there. I forgot the details as this was a few years back, and she looks at me in a disgusted way. Just this past weekend, I was using a cam site, and seeing if I can get the girls whatsapp for free. I told her I would buy her a new outfit at studio f to go out, a nice dinner at a fancy restaurant and a night out at a place on las Palmas. She tells me, she wants the equivalent of $75 for her whatsapp. Well, aside from the fact that she is probably a scammer who will make up excuses to not meet up after the exchange of numbers she is where she is at for many reasons. 1 is they live in the present and cannot think of the future. Her math is not so good, a decent outfit in. Studio F is worth more than $75. It becomes comical at times.

Guys, try it out yourselves. Next time you are in a strip club or casa etc, ask your girl on average per month, how much she makes and how many days she works. For example, she says 2 million pesos a month more or less. Then offer her to be your empleada for that..[/QUOTE]You're viewing things from a fucked up perspective. Let's take the Fase Dos girl as an example.

Talk to any stripper, if you can get into the friend zone with them you'll hear about all the crazy propositions they get. An old stripper friend from Albuquerque told me about a guy who had driven a couple hundred miles to go to the club. He brought along a diamond ring he claimed was worth $20 k, looking for a stripper who would agree to marry him. That's just one of the tamer stories.

Every stripper knows exactly why you're in the club. Nobody goes to a strip club looking for a maid, or a secretary. They're all there looking for someone to fuck. And the girls are there for the same reason, to get guys to pay them to fuck. You know what every one of them thinks when you offer to hire them to do something else? They think you're trying to fuck them for free and get them to clean your house while they're at it.

She would have to be incredibly naive to fall for something like that. At the club she knows what she has to do and she's guaranteed to get paid. She doesn't have to worry about spending all day cleaning someone's house, having to fuck him by his rules and then find out she has to repeat for 6 days before getting paid.

On to your attempts on a cam site to get a girl's Whatsapp for free. She's clearly much smarter than you give her credit for, and I've got about 10 years experience along with a year working with webcam models to back that up.

Every webcam model, every time they broadcast, gets plenty of "if you give me something for free, I will pay you later, more than you would normally get. " Those are called freeloaders. I've seen 10,000 of those offers, ranging from $5 to $100,000, if I've seen one. If she's selling her Whatsapp number, which usually goes directly to a phone carried by her handler, it's simple, you spend the money and get the number. Then you get to try to convince some Colombian guy to let you fuck his model.

Why would anyone think there's some exception out there? Do you go into restaurants, and instead of paying, tell them you'll send over some headphones next week which are worth more than the price of the meal? Does your cellphone provider let you pay the bill by sending them some clothes from Amazon?

So why is a girl being stupid if she won't accept a promise, from a complete stranger, for something she can't use to pay her bills. She's not on webcam to get new clothes. She's on webcam to get paid. She would be stupid to accept such an offer.

Understand this. If she has managed to stay on webcam for 4 months, she's almost guaranteed to be making good money by Colombian standards. She doesn't need to fuck anyone, doesn't need to spend time with people she doesn't like and she's making more, consistently, than she ever made selling pussy. While you might be able to woo her, either she'll turn out to not be worth the effort, or you'll spend at least 20 times as much as just going out and finding a hooker.

Instead of claiming the girls are stupid because they won't let you scam them, why don't you do something smarter? If you're looking for a maid, go to an employment agency that provides maids. If you're looking for someone to pay for sex, go find a prostitute. If you're looking for someone to buy clothes for, go find yourself a girlfriend.

If you think women go to clubs to look for "simps" and you're still going to clubs looking for girls, well that's a pretty easy equation to solve.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2576396]This is ridiculous. You are hiring her because she is a hooker and not because of her skills as a maid. So what is the difference between her getting paid at the club and getting paid at your house? If you were really interested in a maid then you would put out an ad for an actual maid instead of trying to turn a hooker into one. I once paid a hooker to clean my place and it turned out horrible. I could see why she was a hooker and not a cleaner. And what did she tell me? You can't say I didn't warn you. That she did. People know their own strengths and weaknesses. If they wanted regular jobs, then they would have signed up for them just like the majority of the population. You can't turn a hooker into a housewife or a housekeeper.

Did you take into account that she may have said no because she was disgusted to look at you, or it is only other men she could be disgusted to look at?

We all have our preferences. Don't try to force on them the preferences you think they should have.[/QUOTE]Dude you totally missed my point. I could care less if she was disgusted with me, why the personal attack? Maybe she had a session with you and felt put off by maid offers. You see how that is uncalled for? Did you even bother reading the previous post about the maid sending money to her boyfriend and how that might not be the best idea. Listen, you do not know me nor do know you. I would never hire her period. Read the post beforehand before you start to insult people you do not know.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2576232]Good for you, I'm also sure all them hot clean looking girls are for sure only fking you, so their not dirty, hmmm hmmm! Oh and by the way so your sure, I bang the similar dirty hookers you have displayed only differences is you don't think yours are dirty, and I know what mine all are! LOL! Stay safe! And of course Ymmv.[/QUOTE]Well to me number of sex partners does not equal dirty / clean, number of showers and frequency of clothes washing does.

Ymmv.

Hey guys, long time lurker here. I have read almost this thread and the Bogota one. I currently live in Mexico, in my mid 20's and work remote. I was planning on heading to Colombia to cut down living costs and to date better looking women. I do p4p about 5-6 times a year mostly because I'm a cheap bastard. Prices in Colombia seem very low though.

Any recommendations for someone who wants to date normal women (non p4p) and wants options for cheap sex to supplement normal dating?

Paying 50 k for a quickie at centro seems tempting but it doesn't seem like a good area to stay, I plan to stay for 3-6 months and then move on to another country. I was thinking of renting an apartment in Laureles, is this a suitable area for p4p too? (I don't plan to pay more than $50 per session).

I would say my total monthly budget overall is $1000, but trying to keep it as low as possible as long as I can rent an apartment to myself with a kitchen in a not so bad location and have sex around 2-3 times a week at least. I don't drink, do drugs or party.

Here in Mexico I normally spend between $10-30 per date with a non pro, so obviously it is way cheaper than p4 p which costs about $70 at least.

I guess my question would be, with a dating / monger budget as small as mine ($200-$300 monthly) does it make sense to do p4p in casas, street, the not so often good looking prepago for 100-200 k or should I just stick to regular dating? I speak fluent Spanish and have no trouble getting sex the regular way but nowhere near the quality of some of these prepagos.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2576410]While I agree with this for the most part. I do think is it more common in Colombia for men to be fucking their maids, secretaries and so on than in the US where such things are frowned upon and even illegal and often can come back when relationships go sideways, and lead to the downfall of people in higher positions. I have seen this girl that works cleaning houses 2-3 times a week, she gets paid 80 mil for a full days work (what she told me). I was giving her 150 mil for a couple of hours but of course I was not there all the time, and I know she does the same with other mongers as well. But she uses this more to augment her income as a maid than replace it, I could never figure out why not just working girl a little more as the 80 mil wasn't much. I asked her directly once and she said well she likes cleaning houses and thinks hard work is good for her, and also that's what her daughter thinks she does for a living. So they all have their reasons, and I don't mess with that or try and use my financial position to change the status quo.

All I know though is if I was living there, she would be cleaning my house. Jajaja.[/QUOTE]The cultural differences embrace behaviors here (in Medellin) that would be politically inocorrect at the very least, more often clearly illegal in the USA. I am thinking of George in that Seinfeld episode when he is banging the maid in his office at the New York Yankees Stadium and later when he is sitting across the desk from is superior getting fired, he claims not to know that sort of behavior was frowned upon. If George was in Medellin, no problema, jajajaja.

You also illustrated an excellent example of why all women who accept money for sex are NOT the same in Colombia. The best ones, for me, are like your housekeeper, who have a full time job. But my reach and goals are different from a short stay, one time visitor, since my long term goal is dual residency. I feel your skepticisim, 80 mil COP per day sounds a little high to me for your maid's baseline salary. My Number Two chica Amazonia works full time in one of the four star hotels in Poblado and she makes 250 a week, working 6 days, some of her days are 12 hours. There isn't any such thing as employee rights and they work her hard all the time because there are so many other Colombianas waiting in tbe wings for her job.

If any of these chicas can find a steady gringo to fuck 1.5 times per week (jeje), that basically doubles their quality of life. Salmon instead of tuna. Porterhouse instead of hamburger. AND most of these girls have a kid, and nothing motivates a young mom to go out and sell her wet holes than believing her bambino needs some medicine or clothing. Finally, as you intimated, these girls don't want to be viewed as sex workers because of family and friends. I am not casting aspersions in the direction of any El Centro skank. There is something wonderfully dedicated and "pure" about those chicas, without the smokescreen. Medellin is a morgasbord of options for meeting and fucking girls, prepago and not, more options and variety here than anywhere I have been in the world. I would love to hear it if you know of someplace that beats Medellin for that.

Whenever I have the time I post gratuitous fotos. My readership enjoys them. If it bugs you, then put me on your Ingore List by all means. I have this feeling inside me that another penis picture or two is way past due so consider yourself forewarned, jajajaja.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2576188]I took an Uber late in the afternoon here, I get there in the pouring rain jump out and they wouldn't let me in without my passport, this was at 3 pm they close at 4 pm.

So I returned the next day at 3 pm with my passport, they said I would have to return in the morning for the printed results, I returned in the morning again without my passport.

And they didn't want to give me the results w / o my passport, I explained I would miss my flight, and they gave me the results.

They are right around the corner from Zandaly casa.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/place/Centrolab[/URL]+I. P.S. / at 6. 254787,-75.5633598,15 z / data=!4 m5!3 m4!1 s0 x0:0 x3813 b3 f6 c843 ee3 b!8 m2!3 d6. 254787!4 d-75.5633598.

Post-script bring your passport.[/QUOTE]Thanks a bunch.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2575682]The Colombia Migracion form for entry into the country has changed. They are now asking whether you have been vaccinated or not, and whether you have a record of it. [/QUOTE]I think we made this call weeks ago. Thanks for the post. The handwriting is on the wall. Did you see this headline story in the Wall Street Journal earlier this month? South America is considered the hotbed for Covid in the world right now. I think we will see return of travel restrictions for another round or two before we normalize which basically equates to enough of the world getting vaccinated. The vaccine works, the proof is there already. Sorry naysayers, you will have to remove your foot from your mouth on this one. And I will not debate that issue because that would mean you are not informed enough to recognize that you have already lost this argument.

I am traveling with my vaccine record, obvio.

I had premature uploading my previous post without my usual gratuitous fotos, so here there are.

The Black&White foto es mi novia, also known as Catgirl who gets some bonafide petite modeling jobs except she has gotten lazy around my USD's, that's fine with me.

That's Secret flashing the gang signs and she does consider herself a Bello gangster. I would not suggest getting on her bad side. She also rocks the Victoria's Secret underwear, which is where I got her name.

The next foto are my two favorite sisters to fuck at the same time. Last time I was drilling the one in bed in side spooning position while her sister sat on the edge of the bed and carried on a normal converstion as if nothing unusual was going on, jajaja total turn on.

The next foto is a girl I flew to Cali to fuck which usually I won't do considering the unlimited supply of trim in MDE, but her body is 9. 5, including her breasts that don't show in that foto, and she let me stay in her apartment which was cool. Notice the little bag of pink accidentally stuck to the back of her leg, jajaja we were looking for that and first noticed it in the foto.

The last foto is a pussy from a girl I picked up in Cali same trip. She was a window washer girl at a busy intersection, and not trying to sell trim on the side. This was obvious because of all the time it took me to extract her from her posse of friends at the corner, so it did NOT appear as though she was leaving with me to go have sex for money. That just made it more fun, and look at that pussy. Tight, clean, relatively low mileage, and definitely did the trick even though I was wearing an industrial strength Colombian condom. Ostee pearl #412, bring your condoms with you from the USA or wherever. The difference between a high quality and low quality condom is like night and day. For those of you who see condoms as a boner killers, two words. Trojan Gold. Yes, expensive, but worth it. Just try it and get back to me.

Had a great time in Centro. Arrived around 12. Walked the circuit plenty of times to get oriented. Realized where the intersection of 52 and 52 was. This is my kind of set up. Similar to Pattaya except it's a square. Tons of girls. Low rates. Had a short stay at and enjoyable interlude with a 21 year old flaca de Venezuela. Very nice girl. Wanted to do it more even after I finished quickly. Did what I could but at 54. I'm. Not a young buck anymore. Lots of girls making eye contact the whole time. It took me hours to pick the right one. But could have been happy with at least 8 of the girls within the first hour of arrival. There are underage girls there. Be careful. People were friendly. Weed all over. Trannies. Bullshit artists. People trying to make a buck. I stayed about four hours. Going tomorrow for more fun.

I just booked my ticket from Guyana to Miami at a cost of 601.

From Miami cost is 291.

Arriving in Miami at around 12 noon.

Leaving Miami at 540 pm arriving at 804 pm.

Have made arrangements for a taxi pick up for 80.000 peso to San Peter apartment.

Seem like a good price as this is my first trip to Medellin.

My 60th birthday is 9th July.

So hope to meet up some guys for some drinks.

Sureman.

[QUOTE=MistaDynamite;2576442]Thanks a bunch.[/QUOTE]I suggest this place, my fault I just don't carry my passport, I took it out of the safe and put it back in 5 minutes before I went to the lab.

I was hoping I didn't need it, here's some background.

When I got my PCR test in Chicago, I went with zero ID, I walk in the guy asks nose or mouth with the swab? I say mouth, he asks do you want to do it or me? I say me of course.

I put it on the tip of my tongue for a millisecond, and hand it back to him, wishful thinking led me to leave the passport behind, I worried more about losing it than needing it.

BTW they do stick the swab up your nose I was shocked? WTF jajajaaa.

I recd the Moderna vax last summer.

I hope they drop the testing shit soon and the mask for flying.

[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cruz-calls-for-cdc-to-follow-the-science-and-scrap-airline-mask-mandate-before-july-4-holiday[/URL]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2576413]Instead of claiming the girls are stupid because they won't let you scam them, why don't you do something smarter? If you're looking for a maid, go to an employment agency that provides maids. If you're looking for someone to pay for sex, go find a prostitute. If you're looking for someone to buy clothes for, go find yourself a girlfriend.[/QUOTE]That's exactly I read the OP's post. Good summary JJ!

We should file that guy's post under "stuff broke troll-mongers say", LOL!

[QUOTE=CapYandel;2576430]Hey guys, long time lurker here. I have read almost this thread and the Bogota one. I currently live in Mexico, in my mid 20's and work remote. I was planning on heading to Colombia to cut down living costs and to date better looking women. I do p4p about 5-6 times a year mostly because I'm a cheap bastard. Prices in Colombia seem very low though.

Any recommendations for someone who wants to date normal women (non p4p) and wants options for cheap sex to supplement normal dating?

Paying 50 k for a quickie at centro seems tempting but it doesn't seem like a good area to stay, I plan to stay for 3-6 months and then move on to another country. I was thinking of renting an apartment in Laureles, is this a suitable area for p4p too? (I don't plan to pay more than $50 per session).

I would say my total monthly budget overall is $1000, but trying to keep it as low as possible as long as I can rent an apartment to myself with a kitchen in a not so bad location and have sex around 2-3 times a week at least. I don't drink, do drugs or party..[/QUOTE]Well, if I could go back in time and talk to my mid 20's self, and I had the possibility to work remotely (not as common 35 years ago, I'd have some simple advice.

First I'd tell myself to start learning Spanish, but you've already got that covered. Then I'd tell myself to take some classes and improve my dance skills.

After that I wouldn't even worry about P4P, except if I happened to get bored. At your age, fluent in Spanish, you're a hot commodity in Medellin. If you can dance, you'll draw women like flies, except there aren't many flies in Medellin.

Food is cheap in Colombia, especially if you stick to basics and cook for yourself. The hard part will be finding an apartment that maximizes your bang per buck. Local transportation is cheap as well.

If you focus on the non-pros, you'll probably be kept busy enough to keep your mind off P4P. And you can probably cut that average date cost as well.

[QUOTE=Tudman;2576422]Dude you totally missed my point. I could care less if she was disgusted with me, why the personal attack? Maybe she had a session with you and felt put off by maid offers. You see how that is uncalled for? Did you even bother reading the previous post about the maid sending money to her boyfriend and how that might not be the best idea. Listen, you do not know me nor do know you. I would never hire her period. Read the post beforehand before you start to insult people you do not know.[/QUOTE]If you're able to assume that the girls are disgusted by most of their customers, which pretty much means everyone on ISG, why is it improper for someone to float the possibility that a girl might be disgusted by you? Is it just everyone else here who is disgusting, with you being the only exception?

Mr. E's point is perfectly valid. Why would you try to turn a hooker into a housekeeper? Why would you expect a hooker to jump at the chance to become a housekeeper for a complete stranger? Perhaps there's a reason why she's not already a housekeeper. Maybe she hates cleaning. Maybe she can't stomach cleaning toilets. Perhaps she realizes there is absolutely no upside to becoming a maid.

While being a hooker has it's drawbacks, it at least allows her to dream. Every hooker in Medellin knows of some girl who went off to live with some rich customer. Each one knows someone who gets expensive gifts, trips to exotic places and lots of money. How often do you think that happens to maids in Colombia?

If being a maid in Colombia is so fantastic, any woman should jump at the opportunity, why haven't you started your own maid service? You could clean houses for gringos and get all those wonderful benefits for yourself.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2576410]I do think is it more common in Colombia for men to be fucking their maids, secretaries and so on than in the US where such things are frowned upon and even illegal and often can come back when relationships go sideways, and lead to the downfall of people in higher positions.[/QUOTE]I happen to live in the playground of the Hollywood rich and famous. A few years back, a young woman I knew (early 20's at the time and very hot, but knew it) got hired by a 40 something major television star and his wife to be their au pair. Sorry I can't name him, but by most standards I think he would be considered extremely handsome. Of course he was rich. Whether he was charming or an asshole I really don't know. What I do know, is that the most natural and obvious thing happened. He and the au pair hooked up. Duh. Then his wife found out, and fired the au pair. My friend hired Gloria Allred and got a major settlement, really didn't have to work, so went looking for her next rich guy.

Of course the guy would want to fuck her, and of course she would want to let him (see Clinton, Bill) and of course the wife would be upset. But only in America could she then sue them and not be called a working girl, but a victim. (and I kinda like her).

[QUOTE=Tudman;2576422]Dude you totally missed my point. I could care less if she was disgusted with me, why the personal attack?[/QUOTE]It was not a personal attack. It was a play off what you said. Did you even read your own post? I even quoted it, but here it goes again.

[QUOTE=Tudman;2576352]does not have to have sex with men she is disgusted to look at.[/QUOTE]I was simply saying that you could have been one of the men that you wrote about.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2576191]If we're being honest, most of us have walked that road at some point in our life. Whether it was throwing gifts and attention at the highschool sweetheart, or making it rain at the strip club.[/QUOTE]That is something that I can say I have never been a party to. I have always been a player and my last year in high school I was a DJ at the strip club. So while dudes were tipping the chicks, the chicks had to tip me.

[QUOTE=Daga2222;2574284]First time in Medellin. Just visited Loutron and holy shit. It's expensive but definitely a must visit at least once. The way they have the line up of girls come out and present themselves is something out of a fucking movie. Every girl either a 8, 9, or 10. It's about double the cost of a standard lay in Poblado and not exactly GFE, but I can finally say I fucked a solid 10. I really don't think it can get much better.

If the girls provided full GFE, I would not look twice at the price. This is my type of mongering. No BS. No wasting time searching for a decent looking girl, or waiting for a girl who shows up 2 hours late. Just solid 10's quite literally fucking spoon fed to you. Wow.[/QUOTE]What were the rates?

[QUOTE=Daga2222;2574548]330 k + tip so about $100 usd.[/QUOTE]That's not bad at all to smash a 10.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2576387]Best quote I can cite about our hobby is [I]"Men do not pay women for sex, but to see them disappearing after sex"[/I].

Besides regular P4P activities, I am one who did spend money to have a girl pretending to be my girlfriend, then I started wondering "what am I doing here?" and I evolved, starting to offer money to 2 girls, to pretend they are my 2 girlfriends and we are a happy trio. All this only in Batam, Indonesia, because there local girls really can make you feel they are girlfriends with benefits, and never in Colombia, because in Colombia girls are very clear it's a business arrangement.

With all this, everytime I finish the deed I start wondering "who is this girl sleeping here? Who's next?" and I go back to the Wise Statement above.[/QUOTE]Nothing personal, BP. I could have quoted five posts with the same sentiment. Thing is I have posted more about this subject than anyone. I have posted about my successes more than anyone on [URL]seeking.com[/URL], SA, and others have followed in my footsteps.

So let me repeat my story. I have been at this a long time, and seeing hookers got old. I would enjoy someone's company and I hated the clock running. I get the comment about paying not for sex but for women to leave, but in my cases with the best working girls, I wanted the dates to be longer and did not want to be paying hourly rates that were really rates for sex.

Back in 2009, the Great Recession hit, and I explored the SB concept and have stayed with it since then. Desirable women were without work and money, and several hotties were not gung ho to do prostitution but they were willing to do a form of P4 P if it could be kept quiet and the women did not feel like sluts, I. E. They really liked the guy. What a SD does for a woman is money and something else. For a SB it is sex and something else. That is it. People always want to say at its core SD SB relationships are P4P and for some that is true. For others and with me, it is not.

In the USA a few years ago, new prostitution laws were passed and [URL]seeking.com[/URL]/ SA had to change its appearance. They kicked off anyone who requested pay per meet (but just in the USA). In Colombia, I would get offers all the time from women who did not want to be kicked off.

When I have a real SB, I do not want them to leave. I enjoy their company, and they enjoy mine. I lectured women all the time on the site if you are interested in my money and not me, I am not interested in you. Most would actually respond to that positively.

As for the rules, anything goes. There is no rule about exclusivity, or time, or condoms or anything. You do whatever the fuck you two agree to.

So you are hanging with women who are working girls, and you treat them like they are. There is nothing wrong with that, and you may get some very skilled women, but I have not met many working girls who are quality people who I want to hang out with very long.

And while you are banging working girls, I was banging models, lawyers, doctors, engineers ETC. If a girl really likes me, guess what? She does not want to take money from me. I flew in a Colombian lawyer from Villavicencio and gave her $300 for 3 days company and she tried to give it back to me. She later told me she loved me. I insisted she take the money and calmed her down and told her it was infatuation not love. Did that ever happen with some centro chica to anyone here? Offer to give back $300?

A good SB SD relationship is harder to find than a good john working girl relationship but the sex is better, the companionship is better, and it is a richer and often cheaper experience. At the end of the day, fucking working girls gets pretty old. It is like fast food, satisfies a craving and little more. Why would you want to pay a quality woman, a quality companion, to leave? Some if not most of my best times with my SBs have been outside of the bedroom. I like to think quality women have some value besides their three orifices.

So you all can go on your rampages, rail against sugar daddies all you want, but the concept is not a threat to the women you are seeing ("Hey daddy, buy me a Iphone" does not mean you have a SB, just a greedy working girl), and it is going to continue whether you like it or not. Yes, guys having higher quality companionship, fucking better looking women, having better sex for often less money is going to win out in the end. Surprise!

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2575759]Maybe some of the sugar daddies amongst us can weigh in on this. If a guy is sending a Chica every month or week, or whatever it is, what happens if a girl has more than one sugar daddy, and two or more of the sugar daddies are in town at the same time. I would think a "smart" sugar daddy would have an arrangement, at least I would, that when daddy is in town, the girl is only with daddy, not with other daddies.

But maybe I'm missing something here?[/QUOTE]A Smart Sugar Daddy assumes he is one of several, doesn't care, as long as the pussy is at his beck and call, and on demand when he wants it. The amount he spends is inconsequential or the proverbial drop in the bucket. He doesn't think he is love. He is paying because for whatever reason, that particular piece of poontang scratches an itch he's got, and he doesn't want or need to shop around.

The Sugar Daddy who has it bad, is delusional, believes he is the only one, and the worst part of all, is spending money he can't afford, and believes the relationship is based on love. I knew a blue-collar Gringo who was sending half his take home to a girl who probably could barely stand his touch.

I can hear guys saying, a Smart Sugar Daddy is an oxymoron because no one with any real brains would be in that position to begin with. That's why I stressed the point that the money is not even a blip on his radar and he doesn't care what other people think.

I know this chica in Bogota who universally gets compliments as the most beautiful girl I have fucked in Colombia. Posting a picture of her is kind of a moot point because by the time I blur her face out, the nuances of her amazing beauty will be lost, but I will put a few screenshots and you will have to let your imagination do the rest. She speaks English, is in college, and knows how to behave perfectly in public. She has been groomed by the same sixty-something year old Gringo who paid her mom for her virginity when when she was fifteen. Now she is 23, in college, nice apartment, he pays her tuition and expenses. She told me the whole story on a long weekend we spent together in Bogota. She fucked me for some extra cash that she did not want to ask her Sugar Daddy for. And for the first time in their eight year relationship, she told me he was getting "a little rough" whatever the fuck that means, so she was shopping around for a new Sugar Daddy. Not my forte but a great short term fuck. He lives in Miami and flies in one three-day weekend per month. So there's one example.

[QUOTE=ErrolFlynn;2576552]
Of course the guy would want to fuck her, and of course she would want to let him (see Clinton, Bill) and of course the wife would be upset. But only in America could she then sue them and not be called a working girl, but a victim. (and I kinda like her).[/QUOTE]That is why I say sex is being used as a weapon in the US. It's as much within many marriages as outside. It's a definite tool in the gender wars.

How do you get by getting bareback services in centro? Do they feel unsafe / offended if you mention it and what percentage do you guys reckon would accept it for a 30 k tip, I plan on taking PrEp with me so inb4 don't do bare, thanks.

I am planning my first trip to Medellin in September or October. I have stayed in Costa Rica before at the Sportsman's Lodge and am looking for a similar experience. Low key, kind of quiet, food and beverages available in or nearby, safe and secure and enough girls to choose from to have some variety and keeping it interesting. Even some girls around if you feel the urge mid-day. I am not interested in the late night nightclub scene, pursuing and finding the ultimate 20 year old cover model, wandering the streets at night, negotiating the lowest ultimate price, or getting on a dating app. I speak little or no Spanish. Any suggestions for a similar experience? I've heard mention of Mansion?

[QUOTE=ABizzle;2576675]How do you get by getting bareback services in centro? Do they feel unsafe / offended if you mention it and what percentage do you guys reckon would accept it for a 30 k tip, I plan on taking PrEp with me so inb4 don't do bare, thanks.[/QUOTE]Everything is negotiable. Success depends on you. No one can tell you how successful you will be. If you find someone desperate enough, they might accept 30 K. There is something for every budget. Good luck!

[QUOTE=ABizzle;2576675]How do you get by getting bareback services in centro? Do they feel unsafe / offended if you mention it.[/QUOTE]How do you offend a sex worker by talking about sex? It is like offending the cashier at McDonald's by asking for cheese on your burger.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2576749]How do you offend a sex worker by talking about sex? It is like offending the cashier at McDonald's by asking for cheese on your burger.[/QUOTE]Mr. E you've simplified your take on the issue of guys approaching Chicas for bareback sex.

And the reality is that asking to bareback a Chica in some instances and in lot's of Countries will offend a sex worker where sex is highly regulated. In New Zealand as an example there's posters in the rooms regarding the use of condoms.

As your aware sex in Colombia is not regulated, yet some Chicas will get offended if asked to bareback here. Put yourself in their shoes, a guy comes along and wants to bareback them, and for all they know the guy could have Herpes, Genital Warts, HIV, to name a few and don't want to take the risk of acquiring an STD, and hence would be offended by being asked.

Today I was under the Parque Berrio Metro station talking with a Chica and this very subject came up indirectly. I asked her how much for her services, she said 30 K, and then in Spanish I said que es incluido meaning what was included, and then she said all the sex was with a preservativo (condom) and was very adamant about it. She apparently didn't understand what I asked in Spanish, and may of thought I was saying does that include a condom confusing "incluido" with "condon" in Spanish.

[QUOTE=ABizzle;2576675]How do you get by getting bareback services in centro? Do they feel unsafe / offended if you mention it and what percentage do you guys reckon would accept it for a 30 k tip, I plan on taking PrEp with me so inb4 don't do bare, thanks.[/QUOTE]If your going to bareback any Chicas in El Centro, why would you even be concerned whether the girls feel unsafe or are offended. If they agree to it, you shouldn't be concerned, and in Colombia, it's very common for guys to ask for it, so it won't come as a surprise to them like it would be in other Countries.

As far as what percentage of the Chicas that will go bareback, well that in most cases will be a function of what your willing to pay, and how much they want.

Right before the Pandemic, and out of curiosity only, I asked a Chica in El Centro how much more to bareback her, and she said it was expensive and would be an upcharge of 5 K.

So to answer your question whether 30 K would be enough, well if the Chica is going for 30 K, then that's a huge amount of money to offer. With a 30 K girl, start at 15 K, and see if she bites.

If not, double down at 30 K and you will probably get to cream pie her!

Trip Summary Update June 27-July 4th: SA, Casas, centro, Lleras, street pickup, group hang out, heartbreak, betrayal, gay parade, police called.

SA / NON-PROS.

Enjoying my trip so far, and this is rather a summary instead of a day by day breakdown. After the first day on my previous report with the late SA chica drama that I had to cancel, apologies came in order from both sides and we re-arranged a meet. She's 25, maybe 7. 5/8, personality 10. We've met 2 times so far, full GFE, BBBJ / BBFS, all good, for an evening till next morning damage 200 k. Then I met with one of my 10's twice also, dinner date + overnight, 20 years, 10 all around college student, Full GFE, first date w condom cost $0, second date BBFS, damage 200 k. I have one more 10 that made contact also, we have a date set for this week. No longer an active member but were the few I kept in roster and had build a relationship with. I've also made the effort to approach couple non pros in the streets while walking around, and one cute morena waitress. We are in discussion and setting some dates, they want to take me out to some parks, one is a sweet couple so a possible threesome is in order, all free.

Daily chicas: Averaging 2-3 daily.

Centro chicas:

Met a buddy from my flight and another from the hotel, we stroll through Centro quite a few times, drink beers and talk to chicas. I haven't use their short time hotels but invited few so far to mine (Nutibara) and 50 k each round. Best time for Centro is afternoon between 3-7 PM, entire wall of Veracruz church and past it to the main intersection is crazy with chicas. If you stand around and walk around a little by the bars and in that area, you should be able to see many within your taste, many 6-8 range or even better rarely. White / Blacks, Colombianas but mostly Venezolanas, young, old, some could be underage I don't know. At times I would ask a super young looking one their age they always say 18/19 with IDs. But still be careful. Some will ask 50 k incl hotel, some ask for 30/35 k + hotel which is about 15 k so it's the same thing. Last night I walked around past 9 pm, there were kids playing in plaza botero, no cops but didn't feel any danger. Walkd through busy intersection and saw a hottie who's at least a solid 8, took number but went to parque lleras to see what was going on there.

Casa runs:

Buddy came nearly daily to my hotel via Uber, then walkd together to New Life, if nothing's appealing we'd walk to Amiga de Sexy couple blocks away. Zandaly is also within a shorter walking distance, and we've also visited Energy. Energy had a short line up and we were told they do outcalls now so most of the hot girls were not there, kinna was disappointed.

New Life: You pay after you finish, 55 k for 30 min.

Amiga sexy: Pay upfront: 50 k for 30 min.

Zandaly (has best line up, Andrea's my fav and solid 8) 50 k /30 min, 85 k / HR.

Energy: Massage incl, 140 k / HR.

Strip Clubs:

I didn't visit La Isla / Face 2 yet, but did some runs on those rundown centro strip clubs like Conejitas (banged for 100 k, maybe a 7). Buddy banged one at Hilton Grill, 72 k, solid 8, I banged two from Barra Ejecutiva, all walking distance, solid 8, 80 k, then she came to my hotel again for same pricing and spent more time. There are still several clubs I wish to visit, just so little time. During each club visit, Centro, Llera, I always end up adding 5 hot chica numbers on my phone, and definitely not enough time to bang them all.

Parque Lleras:

I visit Lleras every other night, my first encounter upon arrival of my trip was from there on my first report. Parque lleras is what it is, some here will swear it's the best place on the planet and it's not. Gusto's quality has gone down, last night cost to enter was 20 k, me and buddy walked right out. I did get a couple numbers from a previous visit that I may do biz with. Met several chicas there and saw several from Centro. This happens when you stay close to Centro and walk around a lot, you become familiar with the faces especially if you've exchanged numbers with them. I mean many of them. If I didn't know many times I'd pay the 150 k /250 k they're asking in lleras, but hard for me to justify when I can get them in Centro for 30. The ones not from centro I've had good and bad experience with. Good experience mean I paid 150 k, GFE, no drama, muy carinosa, all went well. Then last night, met this brunette from Col, 22, at first she appeared sweet and interesting, but there were red flags which I fully ignored, and I will write why I missed those since there were some major distractions in the park last night.

Police called. Night of 7/4th, 2: AM.

So w / the 22 year old brunette from lleras, we agreed on 200 k after she asked for 250. We spent maybe 30 minutes together, talking, bought her a beer, danced very briefly. We stood both inside and outside of a bar next to Gusto, and entire time she kept on saying she's really good in sex, she really want some, and kept on insisting on going. She was also giving me those quick kisses on the lips, trying to seduce me. Now mind you, I am no expert but I am no newbie either. My spidey senses are normally intact, and the usual me would reject her in a heartbeat. Girls like that always offer bad service, always a major disappointment, plus she smokes weed. We took a cab to the hotel, she was talking shit about oh why do you stay downtown and not Poblado? It's ugly here, blah blah, more redflags (she lives in Poblado and dresses fancy). All things I shouldn't ignore but I did, again you will see why soon I wasn't on my game.

So after she got in the room, I put some music, then she took off one side of her dress then asked for the money upfront. This is something I never do, and will never do unless I'm in a professional establishment like a brothel or strip club. So I explained politely that you know damn well I can pay you, let's do business and you'll get paid, hard no from her, and hard no from me. Immediately I said well get the fuck out. She called police, or wanted 150 k for her time LOL. I'm not going to do that either and offered 50 k and she declined. Police came w / in 10 minutes with hotel clerk. There were two of them, both started listening to my side of the story first, then one who was aggressive walked away to listen to her side, not sure what she said he immediately came in my face and said you pay her, or handcuff, said that in Spanish. Thankfully I speak a little, nearly fluent, I was able to defend myself and explained she's been in my room for 5 minutes, and in the club for 30 minutes talking only and people normally don't pay for that. Then the aggressive fucker said this is Colombia. I had to reiterate that normally it's not the way things go in Colombia. Talking to someone for few minutes doesn't warrant payment.

This is the big difference with Dominican Rep, Costa Rica and Colombia. In DR and CR you get more protection as a tourist then in Colombia. In Colombia the only thing they love is your money, but you get no protection, and in fact it is a dangerous country if you don't know how to move. No one cares in Col. In DR, If I mention police the chica would run. Here I almost got locked up for me getting robbed.

I believe it was her intention in the first place, to tease, then run away with some free cash. This has been attempted before and happened once to me Mde, and prev chica left with taxi money, but never had one with audacity to actually call the police. She was arrogant, very loud and very vulgar. Her name is ROSA, long dark hair, has braces, almost petite, would rate her maybe a 7, lives in Poblado. So if you run into her, beware. I've seen guys made chicas send everything negotiated in their whatsapp, and I at times thought those were excessive, but now I'm thinking about doing the same, including mentioning in writing if you'll pay upfront or after. The thing is, this will happen 1 out of 10 or 1 out of 20 times. So it is rare, but when it does happen your entire vacation could be ruined. I notice this is also why many vets have a set of trusted chicas in their roster, and repeat with only with those and I don't blame them. My previous trips I didn't do that, and now learning from wiser vets and doing the same. Making of list and saving all good chicas, and when I return to simply go through the list that way no unexpected malicious behaviors, then can still do casa runs and club runs since those are in a business settings and won't rob you.

So one of the cop who was decent, agreed with me and understood my position, suggested that I just pay her half. So I paid her 100 k and she left cursing out loud, I replied and wished her happiness for stealing $28.

Why her, gay parade in Parque Lleras.

The entire city had a major parade all day, July 4th, and today is a holiday, many businesses are closed etc. So at first I thought it was some simple street parties, started around the centro area which I accidently took part of walking from one of my casas. Took some vids, shots, rested in hotel then a quick stroll through the plaza and then Lleras. While in Lleras, I was shocked the celebrations arrived at the park. AND found out it was mainly a gay parade. I am not homophobic, no issues with gays. But I was disturbed that they chose parque Lleras. I mean there were hundreds, music, stages, dances, dudes in dresses and skirts twerking all over the place. Many hit of me, and I'd be offended if they didn't since I look good LOL. So I arrived there like 9:20 p and parties lasted till 1-2 AM but the park / club stayed open till 4 a just like weekend being a pre-holiday.

Myself and many other mongers were talking and joking about the many dudes holding hands, drag queens, trans, and we were concerned about taking one home accidently as a joke. But still was a sight to see, dudes dancing and grinding on each other in the bar I was at. So this is why I wasn't focused and wasn't on my best game to detect this chica's bullshit. Otherwise this wouldn't happen to me. It was still an entertaining night, just didn't get laid and spent 240 k total for the night LOL. 100 k for her time and 140 k in street beer / taxi. Not my best night, but still could've been worse by me going to jail because I almost grabbed the ***** to throw her out of my hotel room when she didn't want to leave. Thankfully I wasn't drunk and thought hard on things. I won't let these few bad apples change my overall opinion on women in Colombia. Because most are genuinely kind and worth being with, pros or not. This is no different than the states where a hooker would arrive, asked for money upfront to pay taxi, walk out and never come back. You can't call the police since it's illegal and this happens many many times when you pay the wrong ***** upfront. This is one of cons or the price we pay for pleasure.

Heartbreak / betrayal.

This title "Heartbreak" is rather for entertainment. The buddy I met from the plane and many others I've already hangd with will immediately tell you one thing for sure about me, that I'm a hardcore MF, insensitive and ruthless at times. I use logic above all emotions, but overall try to play fair.

So in this story, met a solid 8 initially in Centro while few buddies and I were hanging out. She's 27, has a younger sister who's even hotter, from Venezuela. It's possible some of you have met them. I met those two again, including a whole posse also while at Parque Lleras at nights, numbers already exchanged since the centro meet. Then this past Thurs morning she contacted me to see if I wantd to take her after she saw me both in Centro then Lleras prev day, I offerd 100 k for an HR, she counter with 250 k min, then I advised her hey I met you frist at Centro, and we all know the going rate and that's what I'll pay, so she counted again with 120/ HR, and two hours 240 k. I took the 2 hours option incl taxi since she was coming directly from home (lives in Poblado). Came and spent 3 hours, very friendly, great session, two rounds, 240 k. She was very relaxed, didn't even want to leave, and we only left the room since buddy was on his way to grab lunch together. So I invited her, we all ate lunch together, chilled, laughed, then she proposed to take me out to Guatape on Sat, would spend the night both Fri and Sat at no charge although I had plan to compensate her properly. When she was in the room, we did talk about a lot things, family, etc. She was ok to become friends, and we had a good vibe. I almost forgot I was dealing with a WG. Oh well. This is the friendly part of me. When I meet someone who opens up, I open up also and share a bit and allow them in my circle.

So during lunch, buddy mentioned and asked about her sister since we all saw the sister in the street, prob a solid 8. 5/9, then she said after lunch she'll go find the sister, and can meet us later at Lleras for a double date. Date was solid, as I we had plan to take them to Lleras park club, get a bottle etc. We did something like that the night before with two chicas from Lleras. When we arrived at the park, buddy she's her, crossed the street and got her attention, and pointed her to me from across, she saw me, waived and I waived back thinking she'll come talk to me to figure out where we're going the 4 of us. Suddenly some other dude grabbed her and they talkd for a while. At first I thought she was giving out her number, she's a WG and no biggie, but she did the worst thing you can imagine. First, I saw the guy she's talking to staring at me incl a friend of his, not sure what she told them, perhaps she has a date with me, guy seemed over agitated and was negotiating very hard LOL. Then walked to a bar and bought her a drink. While I'm waiting across with my buddy, a beautiful Vennie came to talk to me and proposed me, I declined. But when I decl a girl, sometimes I say things like, maybe later. Then I notice the girl who came to propose is a friend of my date, so I'm being set up, my date sent another girl my way so she can go away with the aggressive dude? Yikes!!

She did just as I imagined, she walked away with the guy. After a while, in disappointment, took the courage to go ask the younger sister what happened, sister said my date thought I agreed to go with the friend. I'm like that BS, and she did that as a way to not look so guilty, to manipulate. I almost took the younger sister home instead as a revenge, but I didn't even want to mess with that crew. To me it's disrespectful. I don't expect complete honor among working girls, but still a little decency goes a long way. Because there was absolutely no reason for it, I got money just like that guy she left with, plus we had plans for many more dates. It's true WG aren't smart. They'd rather make quick buck now, and lose out of a more stable source including a friendship. First, you can't truly break someone's heart unless they're in love with you, so I wasn't heartbroken, but definitely felt betrayed in some form.

Later that night we had a heated discussion via text as to what happened. She sounded very convinced that I accepted her friend's offer, or she's a good manipulator, especially since it's her friend that came to me. What a coincidence? Then she immediately came to tell you? Whatthefuckever I wasn't born yesterday. Then claimed that's why she left with the guy. I'm like you couldn't even approach me to confirm? We broke bread together earlier, we bonded, I deserved at least that. Your girl came and talkd to me for two minutes, and you're telling you were willing to walk away with another guy in front of me, without a word? In fact, while we were in bed earlier, I even told her how I turn women down, by telling them later cause I don't want to be rude sometimes and laughed that it's a terrible way. Now you're telling me I told your friend maybe later, and you believed it? Made no sense. Anyhow, she apologized, but obvio all future dates are cancelled. I don't care if she fucks 20 guys a day, but when it's my turn, it's my turn. If I have to wait for another guy, and you skip me right in front of me, you're trash. I did exchange some harsh words, and was my error once more to think a hoe can have honorable words.

Here for two more weeks, and definitely won't make those rusty mistakes again. Few months out of the game will do this to you. Or being too happy enjoying yourself will make you let your guard down till you're reminded with a heavy cost. These issues do not occur with non-pros, and my romantic side always get the best of me trying to treat hookers like women. I always defend them when men treat them like trash on here, and this is what I get. So no more. *****s are working girls, don't try to domesticate them, don't marry them, don't take them on dates, negotiate everything upfront, in writing is even better (suggested by the police that came even). Don't make the mistakes I made. Still having a blast.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2576508]Well, if I could go back in time and talk to my mid 20's self, and I had the possibility to work remotely (not as common 35 years ago, I'd have some simple advice.

First I'd tell myself to start learning Spanish, but you've already got that covered. Then I'd tell myself to take some classes and improve my dance skills.

After that I wouldn't even worry about P4P, except if I happened to get bored. At your age, fluent in Spanish, you're a hot commodity in Medellin. If you can dance, you'll draw women like flies, except there aren't many flies in Medellin.

Food is cheap in Colombia, especially if you stick to basics and cook for yourself. The hard part will be finding an apartment that maximizes your bang per buck. Local transportation is cheap as well.

If you focus on the non-pros, you'll probably be kept busy enough to keep your mind off P4P. And you can probably cut that average date cost as well.[/QUOTE]I think all of your advice is correct for a guy in his twenties, albeit he said he only had a budget of $ 1,000 a month, so this begs the question with him being a foreigner if he will really be able to attract non-pros compared to local guys that might have a similar disposable income.

The Chicas here love guys that can wine and dine them, so for a guy in his twenties with lots of cash that takes your good advice, they should have it made in the shade.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2576567]Granted I don't get the complete picture because all three have been on my Ignore List from early on. And I don't give it more than a passing notice, but MarquisdeSade1, MaddTraveler, and MiamiSammy scream at me as the same skewed individual. The purpose appears to be mainly piling on, validating, and furthering his own viewpoints and agenda. In other words the height of insecurity. Just like when a septic tank overflows, I still get exposed to his seepage when his posts are included in other users' replies. Mood stabilizer drugs could play a helpful role here. Or something. Maybe a long walk off a short pier, jajajaja.[/QUOTE]I don't know you nor recalled what I did or said to you. I just notice my username in your post. My dude, I own multiple businesses incl internet ventures. I don't use social media, and this platform and couple others are the only ones I use to share and read intel on our hobby. Meaning, unless something is making me money, it doesn't interest me much. So what benefit would I have to troll here, waste time or to have multiple accounts? You're nuts.

If 3 different users disagree with on some BS you wrote, the logical thing to do is question yourself, that maybe stop posting your garbage that make 3 diff users disagree with you instead of having illusions that we're all the same person. I find that pathetic, no merit whatsoever. Normally I ignore retards, but I just wanted to make it clear for the records.

Your next attack will be reported and hopefully Admin will take note.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2576740]Everything is negotiable. Success depends on you. No one can tell you how successful you will be.[/QUOTE]I would add, there is a ton of good advice here, but one of the most valuable pieces of life advice I got many years ago, from a person I barely met in passing was when she told me, "Don't ever let anyone tell you that you can't do it". You determine your course, not others. When someone tells you it can't be done, they are really projecting themselves into the situation and saying, "I haven't done it, and I don't know how to do it". That doesn't mean it necessarily has to stop you or that you won't succeed.

Heck, I have been told at every major turning point of my life here in Medellin by family, advisors, and naysayers, "Stop, don't do it, turn back, you're crazy, it won't work, you're in danger. " Could it all still blow up on me? Perhaps, but the likelihood appears to be less and less as time goes by, relationships solidify, patterns are formed, trust is built. You can't be ridiculous about it. And you have to know yourself. No matter what my future holds, I have no regrets, and the epithet on my headstone will read, "If I Die Tomorrow, I Die A Happy Man. "

This is hilarious and serindipitous, I Googled "epithet" on line for the spelling (had it right), and this was the example given, "Old men are often unfairly awarded the epithet "dirty".

Gratuitous fotos. One more foto of BarbBogota from my recent Sugar Daddies post, the other four are mi novia around our old apartment in Medellin.

[QUOTE=TravelDog99;2576739]I am planning my first trip to Medellin in September or October. I have stayed in Costa Rica before at the Sportsman's Lodge and am looking for a similar experience. Low key, kind of quiet, food and beverages available in or nearby, safe and secure and enough girls to choose from to have some variety and keeping it interesting. Even some girls around if you feel the urge mid-day. I am not interested in the late night nightclub scene, pursuing and finding the ultimate 20 year old cover model, wandering the streets at night, negotiating the lowest ultimate price, or getting on a dating app. I speak little or no Spanish. Any suggestions for a similar experience? I've heard mention of Mansion?[/QUOTE]You heard right, all you really need.

Beyond that I suggest you RTF.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2576749]How do you offend a sex worker by talking about sex? It is like offending the cashier at McDonald's by asking for cheese on your burger.[/QUOTE]But yeah, this dude is going to want to lose some inhibition. I am all for spontaneity in sex and goin' with the flow but in general the more specific you can be with a prepago, especially a new one, the happier all parties concerned will be.

Welp, looks like I have COVID. I had a domicilio come over on a Sunday, yes, you read that right. It took about an hour to find a company doing testing on Sunday, or even Monday on a Festivo, for that matter.

+57 314 643 7513 in WhatsApp // 150 k for the antigen test // immediate results then emailed in less than 24 hours.

I have extremely mild symptoms. I woke up a couple mornings with a dry throat / mouth and some congestion. I noticed a shortness of breath on my 20 minute walk up the hill to Tesoro Smart Fit, and decided to get tested. I have a couple buddies arriving mid-week, and Pinky is set to go home at the same time to see her family. My energy level is a bit low, and I have some congestion. That's about it.

I was notified on Saturday that a gringo I went out with the past Saturday had two nights of chills and night sweats, and got a positive test result. I told him I was fine, and couldn't be sure about my mild symptoms because of partying for a couple nights. Anyway, we had gone out to eat then to a club with Pinky and her friend. The girls have no symptoms. I've had a couple 3somes and none of the girls have any symptoms.

If I contracted it last Saturday, I'm 9 days in. I had "symptoms" maybe starting Friday, without realizing it. Any experts here hahahahahahaha ok ok, any experts that actually know what the fuck they're talking about? My buddies arrive Wednesday. If I wake up symptom-free, tomorrow, and get a negative test tomorrow night or Wednesday morning, am I ok to host one of them and go out? I don't want to be that asshole that goes out with COVID. I also don't want to have my buddy stranded at a hotel or AirBnB with no guide and no Spanish, but it is what it is. Should I get a second test, or just be conservative and isolate?

The guy who tested positive told me zinc, Vitamin the, hydrate, eat protein, Tylenol. Any other tricks?

I have had 25 hangovers worse than my current symptoms, in this calendar year.

I, and many others, will probably regret this post! Apologies in advance! I just feel like the first page of Google results might be as misleading as what's to follow, here, and this will certainly be more entertaining.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2576843]Welp, looks like I have COVID. [/QUOTE]Will you need to have the result of a negative antigent test before you fly anywhere out of the country and how long will that take?

Yes, security is more complicated in a single unit dwelling. Home invasion is more of a risk for example. You can mitigate the risk with cameras and other security systems of the type that are very common in Medellin apartment buildings. Many of the rules in apartment buildings are for security purposes.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2576201]The only downside to a house versus an apartment is the added level of security for properties with Porteros. Nobody will be getting into the building that doesn't belong there, so for guys that can deal with the rules it makes sense.

As an example, I have a friend who bought an apartment in a small building in Laureles, with no security, and know he wishes he hadn't as he is reluctant to bring Chicas over, albeit a few, in fear someone might try to rob him.[/QUOTE]

First post, but been following the Forum for a while!

Just wanted to pitch in my two cents regarding Sugar Daddy Sugar Baby relationships.

I was raised in Costa Rica, but with a foreign background, and live here permanently. I'm in my mid forties, divorced, not bad looking and work out a lot and generally take care of myself.

I have always loved the P4 P scene and have enjoyed in many countries for quite a few years now. I'm planning to go to Medellin probably closer to the end of the year, but have already started doing my homework on the forum.

I've had two successful SB-SD relationships, a good one of just a couple of months and the other around 7 months, which was truly excellent. I would like to share my experience of the later.

Costa Rica is a small country and everybody knows each other. This isn't good for an open P4P scene, and I take care that I'm not seen enjoying this delightful hobby as I'm know as quite a respected person (little does everybody know!

I looked into SB relationships more to have a beautiful girl on call to go to the movies, out to dinner or to the beach, have a good time, but then have good fuck afterwards. After a little learning process with the first girl, I met a 24-year-old girl who was in college (I knew her Mom quite well). They were in a little financial hardship and she maybe couldn't attend college anymore. She was smart, sweet, educated and beautiful (9 in my opinion, true girlfriend material if that is what I wanted), with low mileage (non-puta background). I told her I could help her out financially so she could carry on in college and she asked immediately what I wanted from her. I told her in a very polite manner what I expected, she gave it a little thought and agreed.

We then went out to lunch, went over the details, I wrote up an agreement which I sent her and she agreed to via email (lessons learnt from the first time! I agreed to pay her $1,000 a month, sort of what she would have made if she would have dropped college to get a job. On my side, she would be "on call" and go out with me for meals, spend the night, go to parties, to the beach, or if I just wanted a quick fuck. In the agreement I would respect her college timetable, she needed to get a STD test before hand and basically made it clear that I was paying for her to leave when I wanted (lessons learned from first experience). I included a two week trial period, to see if she was good in the sack as well.

I would actually present her to people as my Novia and could take her to a party with friends, or a business lunch without any trouble then take her back to my place and fuck her brains out and send her home or let her stay based on my mood. If she was with PMS or something I would tell her that I had no intention of seeing her. This would remind her of our agreement and she actually said something one day, and I told her that I wasn't looking for the complications of a formal novia relationship. I called the shots. I would generally see her at least twice a week.

Had some really good fuck sessions with her. We once went to the beach for a week and got her into anal, which she hadn't done before. During the literally down times, I enjoyed her company and had some very good conversations with her as well.

After about six months, she was starting her final semester in college (which was going to be a lot of work for her), the novelty had worn off for me, we had gotten into a little routine (COVID struck), so I paid for the last semester, gave her a little extra and finalized our agreement. She invited me out a couple of months ago, once she had graduated and got a regular job to thank me for all the help, told me that she wouldn't have been able to do it without my help (and gave me a nice fuck afterwards for old times sake! We both agreed that we had a win-win relationship.

After a lot of thinking, in my agreement with her (but I think it depends on the girl), I put that if I fucked somebody else, it would be with a condom. I didn't add anything on her side, which could easily mean that she could fuck anybody without condom or not be able to fuck out of the agreement. If she fucked somebody on the side, I wouldn't care, but didn't want the agreement to explicitly allow it.

I'm now on the look out for another diamond like this one, but these things take time to find, but I'm in no rush.

That is my definition of a Sugar Daddy Sugar Baby relationship, not sending money overseas. This world has a lot to offer and different people enjoy it in different ways. I would never send a girl in MDE a new Iphone or money knowing that I'm not going to see her in six months, but if that is what makes others happy they can splurge their money in any way they want. Some might not agree with my arrangement, but I enjoyed it very much and think it was money well spent.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2576792]So w / the 22 year old brunette from lleras, we agreed on 200 k after she asked for 250. We spent maybe 30 minutes together, talking, bought her a beer, danced very briefly. We stood both inside and outside of a bar next to Gusto..

So after she got in the room, I put some music, then she took off one side of her dress then asked for the money upfront. This is something I never do, and will never do unless I'm in a professional establishment like a brothel or strip club. So I explained politely that you know damn well I can pay you, let's do business and you'll get paid, hard no from her, and hard no from me. Immediately I said well get the fuck out. She called police...[/QUOTE]Same thing happened to me one time a coupla years ago w a chica from Gusto. Never been back there since. I don't get good vibes from dressed up bitches. I prefer the humble types.

I'm sorry about the diagnosis and I wish you a speedy recovery Slapshot. Were you vaccinated?

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2576843]Welp, looks like I have COVID. I had a domicilio come over on a Sunday, yes, you read that right. It took about an hour to find a company doing testing on Sunday, or even Monday on a Festivo, for that matter.

+57 314 643 7513 in WhatsApp // 150 k for the antigen test // immediate results then emailed in less than 24 hours.

I have extremely mild symptoms. I woke up a couple mornings with a dry throat / mouth and some congestion. I noticed a shortness of breath on my 20 minute walk up the hill to Tesoro Smart Fit, and decided to get tested. I have a couple buddies arriving mid-week, and Pinky is set to go home at the same time to see her family. My energy level is a bit low, and I have some congestion. That's about it.

I was notified on Saturday that a gringo I went out with the past Saturday had two nights of chills and night sweats, and got a positive test result. I told him I was fine, and couldn't be sure about my mild symptoms because of partying for a couple nights. Anyway, we had gone out to eat then to a club with Pinky and her friend. The girls have no symptoms. I've had a couple 3somes and none of the girls have any symptoms.

If I contracted it last Saturday, I'm 9 days in. I had "symptoms" maybe starting Friday, without realizing it. Any experts here hahahahahahaha ok ok, any experts that actually know what the fuck they're talking about? My buddies arrive Wednesday. If I wake up symptom-free, tomorrow, and get a negative test tomorrow night or Wednesday morning, am I ok to host one of them and go out? I don't want to be that asshole that goes out with COVID. I also don't want to have my buddy stranded at a hotel or AirBnB with no guide and no Spanish, but it is what it is. Should I get a second test, or just be conservative and isolate?.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2576843]Welp, looks like I have COVID...[/QUOTE]Well think positively. At least you earned it! .

I think a huge proportion of the general population have already had COVID in Colombia, especially those that work in close contact w others, so that is probably why the girls have no symptoms. .

I had similar symptoms in Colombia a couple of times over the past year. Am also pretty sure I had it too though I never bothered to get tested.

You could maybe tell your buddy of your circumstances and see what he says. Not everyone is scared of contracting the virus. Even if he is concerned, has he been vaxd?

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2576843] If I wake up symptom-free, tomorrow, and get a negative test tomorrow night or Wednesday morning, am I ok to host one of them and go out?[/QUOTE]You need to get a PCR test. I think they should be able to tell you whether you are infectious or not based on the CT value. Good luck!

[QUOTE=TravelDog99;2576739]I am planning my first trip to Medellin in September or October. I have stayed in Costa Rica before at the Sportsman's Lodge and am looking for a similar experience. Low key, kind of quiet, food and beverages available in or nearby, safe and secure and enough girls to choose from to have some variety and keeping it interesting. Even some girls around if you feel the urge mid-day. I am not interested in the late night nightclub scene, pursuing and finding the ultimate 20 year old cover model, wandering the streets at night, negotiating the lowest ultimate price, or getting on a dating app. I speak little or no Spanish. Any suggestions for a similar experience? I've heard mention of Mansion?[/QUOTE]You don't need to waste time on anything else. Go to the Mansion. Google Hotel M Medellin.

I just spent 3 nights at Hotel Nutibara. It is the first time I have stayed in El Centro although I have spent plenty of time before walking the streets during the day and visiting the casas.

I really enjoyed the vibe en Centro. In some ways it looks like a European city, but with the chaos of a busy Asian city. People are for the most part very friendly and "real", there is a lot of energy about the place. Bit of a freak show though. Many crazy looking people about.

Lots of bars to drink, girls on most corners, in the bars and in all the short term hotel doorways. Plenty of casas and chica-bars. Personally, I found better choices in the casas, and there isn't that much difference in price between casas and street workers.

I stayed at Hotel Nutibara. Again a decent choice. Reasonable price, if dated rooms. Nice staff, no worries with bringing girls.

I felt perfectly safe in the day time. So many people about. The sun sets quickly and the place empties fast though, but at least there are plenty of bars within a couple of blocks of the hotel.

My main concern was food. It is absolutely dreadful. No choices apart from fast food Colombian style which I would never eat. There are a couple of places nearby within walking distance but they are lunch-only places, plus not open on Sundays or festivos. So the next time I will book for midweek. .

Overall, definitely an experience that I would repeat. Centro of Santa Marta is still my preferred choice because at least I can least well there.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2576792]Trip Summary Update June 27-July 4th: SA, Casas, centro, Lleras, street pickup, group hang out, heartbreak, betrayal, gay parade, police called.

SA / NON-PROS.

Enjoying my trip so far, and this is rather a summary instead of a day by day breakdown. After the first day on my previous report with the late SA chica drama that I had to cancel, apologies came in order from both sides and we re-arranged a meet. She's 25, maybe 7. 5/8, personality 10. We've met 2 times so far, full GFE, BBBJ / BBFS, all good, for an evening till next morning damage 200 k. Then I met with one of my 10's twice also, dinner date + overnight, 20 years, 10 all around college student, Full GFE, first date w condom cost $0, second date BBFS, damage 200 k. I have one more 10 that made contact also, we have a date set for this week. No longer an active member but were the few I kept in roster and had build a relationship with. I've also made the effort to approach couple non pros in the streets while walking around, and one cute morena waitress. We are in discussion and setting some dates, they want to take me out to some parks, one is a sweet couple so a possible threesome is in order, all free.

Daily chicas: Averaging 2-3 daily.

Centro chicas:

Met a buddy from my flight and another from the hotel, we stroll through Centro quite a few times, drink beers and talk to chicas. I haven't use their short time hotels but invited few so far to mine (Nutibara) and 50 k each round. Best time for Centro is afternoon between 3-7 PM, entire wall of Veracruz church and past it to the main intersection is crazy with chicas. If you stand around and walk around a little by the bars and in that area, you should be able to see many within your taste, many 6-8 range or even better rarely. White / Blacks, Colombianas but mostly Venezolanas, young, old, some could be underage I don't know. At times I would ask a super young looking one their age they always say 18/19 with IDs. But still be careful. Some will ask 50 k incl hotel, some ask for 30/35 k + hotel which is about 15 k so it's the same thing. Last night I walked around past 9 pm, there were kids playing in plaza botero, no cops but didn't feel any danger. Walkd through busy intersection and saw a hottie who's at least a solid 8, took number but went to parque lleras to see what was going on there.

Casa runs:

Buddy came nearly daily to my hotel via Uber, then walkd together to New Life, if nothing's appealing we'd walk to Amiga de Sexy couple blocks away. Zandaly is also within a shorter walking distance, and we've also visited Energy. Energy had a short line up and we were told they do outcalls now so most of the hot girls were not there, kinna was disappointed.

New Life: You pay after you finish, 55 k for 30 min.

Amiga sexy: Pay upfront: 50 k for 30 min.

Zandaly (has best line up, Andrea's my fav and solid 8) 50 k /30 min, 85 k / HR.

Energy: Massage incl, 140 k / HR.

Strip Clubs:

I didn't visit La Isla / Face 2 yet, but did some runs on those rundown centro strip clubs like Conejitas (banged for 100 k, maybe a 7). Buddy banged one at Hilton Grill, 72 k, solid 8, I banged two from Barra Ejecutiva, all walking distance, solid 8, 80 k, then she came to my hotel again for same pricing and spent more time. There are still several clubs I wish to visit, just so little time. During each club visit, Centro, Llera, I always end up adding 5 hot chica numbers on my phone, and definitely not enough time to bang them all.

Parque Lleras:

I visit Lleras every other night, my first encounter upon arrival of my trip was from there on my first report. Parque lleras is what it is, some here will swear it's the best place on the planet and it's not. Gusto's quality has gone down, last night cost to enter was 20 k, me and buddy walked right out. I did get a couple numbers from a previous visit that I may do biz with. Met several chicas there and saw several from Centro. This happens when you stay close to Centro and walk around a lot, you become familiar with the faces especially if you've exchanged numbers with them. I mean many of them. If I didn't know many times I'd pay the 150 k /250 k they're asking in lleras, but hard for me to justify when I can get them in Centro for 30. The ones not from centro I've had good and bad experience with. Good experience mean I paid 150 k, GFE, no drama, muy carinosa, all went well. Then last night, met this brunette from Col, 22, at first she appeared sweet and interesting, but there were red flags which I fully ignored, and I will write why I missed those since there were some major distractions in the park last night.

Police called. Night of 7/4th, 2: AM.

So w / the 22 year old brunette from lleras, we agreed on 200 k after she asked for 250. We spent maybe 30 minutes together, talking, bought her a beer, danced very briefly. We stood both inside and outside of a bar next to Gusto, and entire time she kept on saying she's really good in sex, she really want some, and kept on insisting on going. She was also giving me those quick kisses on the lips, trying to seduce me. Now mind you, I am no expert but I am no newbie either. My spidey senses are normally intact, and the usual me would reject her in a heartbeat. Girls like that always offer bad service, always a major disappointment, plus she smokes weed. We took a cab to the hotel, she was talking shit about oh why do you stay downtown and not Poblado? It's ugly here, blah blah, more redflags (she lives in Poblado and dresses fancy). All things I shouldn't ignore but I did, again you will see why soon I wasn't on my game.

So after she got in the room, I put some music, then she took off one side of her dress then asked for the money upfront. This is something I never do, and will never do unless I'm in a professional establishment like a brothel or strip club. So I explained politely that you know damn well I can pay you, let's do business and you'll get paid, hard no from her, and hard no from me. Immediately I said well get the fuck out. She called police, or wanted 150 k for her time LOL. I'm not going to do that either and offered 50 k and she declined. Police came w / in 10 minutes with hotel clerk. There were two of them, both started listening to my side of the story first, then one who was aggressive walked away to listen to her side, not sure what she said he immediately came in my face and said you pay her, or handcuff, said that in Spanish. Thankfully I speak a little, nearly fluent, I was able to defend myself and explained she's been in my room for 5 minutes, and in the club for 30 minutes talking only and people normally don't pay for that. Then the aggressive fucker said this is Colombia. I had to reiterate that normally it's not the way things go in Colombia. Talking to someone for few minutes doesn't warrant payment.

This is the big difference with Dominican Rep, Costa Rica and Colombia. In DR and CR you get more protection as a tourist then in Colombia. In Colombia the only thing they love is your money, but you get no protection, and in fact it is a dangerous country if you don't know how to move. No one cares in Col. In DR, If I mention police the chica would run. Here I almost got locked up for me getting robbed.

I believe it was her intention in the first place, to tease, then run away with some free cash. This has been attempted before and happened once to me Mde, and prev chica left with taxi money, but never had one with audacity to actually call the police. She was arrogant, very loud and very vulgar. Her name is ROSA, long dark hair, has braces, almost petite, would rate her maybe a 7, lives in Poblado. So if you run into her, beware. I've seen guys made chicas send everything negotiated in their whatsapp, and I at times thought those were excessive, but now I'm thinking about doing the same, including mentioning in writing if you'll pay upfront or after. The thing is, this will happen 1 out of 10 or 1 out of 20 times. So it is rare, but when it does happen your entire vacation could be ruined. I notice this is also why many vets have a set of trusted chicas in their roster, and repeat with only with those and I don't blame them. My previous trips I didn't do that, and now learning from wiser vets and doing the same. Making of list and saving all good chicas, and when I return to simply go through the list that way no unexpected malicious behaviors, then can still do casa runs and club runs since those are in a business settings and won't rob you.

So one of the cop who was decent, agreed with me and understood my position, suggested that I just pay her half. So I paid her 100 k and she left cursing out loud, I replied and wished her happiness for stealing $28.

Why her, gay parade in Parque Lleras.

The entire city had a major parade all day, July 4th, and today is a holiday, many businesses are closed etc. So at first I thought it was some simple street parties, started around the centro area which I accidently took part of walking from one of my casas. Took some vids, shots, rested in hotel then a quick stroll through the plaza and then Lleras. While in Lleras, I was shocked the celebrations arrived at the park. AND found out it was mainly a gay parade. I am not homophobic, no issues with gays. But I was disturbed that they chose parque Lleras. I mean there were hundreds, music, stages, dances, dudes in dresses and skirts twerking all over the place. Many hit of me, and I'd be offended if they didn't since I look good LOL. So I arrived there like 9:20 p and parties lasted till 1-2 AM but the park / club stayed open till 4 a just like weekend being a pre-holiday.

Myself and many other mongers were talking and joking about the many dudes holding hands, drag queens, trans, and we were concerned about taking one home accidently as a joke. But still was a sight to see, dudes dancing and grinding on each other in the bar I was at. So this is why I wasn't focused and wasn't on my best game to detect this chica's bullshit. Otherwise this wouldn't happen to me. It was still an entertaining night, just didn't get laid and spent 240 k total for the night LOL. 100 k for her time and 140 k in street beer / taxi. Not my best night, but still could've been worse by me going to jail because I almost grabbed the ***** to throw her out of my hotel room when she didn't want to leave. Thankfully I wasn't drunk and thought hard on things. I won't let these few bad apples change my overall opinion on women in Colombia. Because most are genuinely kind and worth being with, pros or not. This is no different than the states where a hooker would arrive, asked for money upfront to pay taxi, walk out and never come back. You can't call the police since it's illegal and this happens many many times when you pay the wrong ***** upfront. This is one of cons or the price we pay for pleasure.

Heartbreak / betrayal.

This title "Heartbreak" is rather for entertainment. The buddy I met from the plane and many others I've already hangd with will immediately tell you one thing for sure about me, that I'm a hardcore MF, insensitive and ruthless at times. I use logic above all emotions, but overall try to play fair.

So in this story, met a solid 8 initially in Centro while few buddies and I were hanging out. She's 27, has a younger sister who's even hotter, from Venezuela. It's possible some of you have met them. I met those two again, including a whole posse also while at Parque Lleras at nights, numbers already exchanged since the centro meet. Then this past Thurs morning she contacted me to see if I wantd to take her after she saw me both in Centro then Lleras prev day, I offerd 100 k for an HR, she counter with 250 k min, then I advised her hey I met you frist at Centro, and we all know the going rate and that's what I'll pay, so she counted again with 120/ HR, and two hours 240 k. I took the 2 hours option incl taxi since she was coming directly from home (lives in Poblado). Came and spent 3 hours, very friendly, great session, two rounds, 240 k. She was very relaxed, didn't even want to leave, and we only left the room since buddy was on his way to grab lunch together. So I invited her, we all ate lunch together, chilled, laughed, then she proposed to take me out to Guatape on Sat, would spend the night both Fri and Sat at no charge although I had plan to compensate her properly. When she was in the room, we did talk about a lot things, family, etc. She was ok to become friends, and we had a good vibe. I almost forgot I was dealing with a WG. Oh well. This is the friendly part of me. When I meet someone who opens up, I open up also and share a bit and allow them in my circle.
.[/QUOTE]Colombia has some of the most dishonest putas on the planet.

I always tell them I pay after you make me orgasm.

So this putas says OK, and I ignored some red flags.

Like she had some tats on her arms, so I take her to a st room and she wants the money NOW I tell no way sand he walks out and.

Starts screaming to the guy at the desk in espanol, we were in the room less than 1 min.

Never took shoes off or even sat on the bed, I go to the desk and ask for my money for the room and he chuckles like I'm insane.

She's standing at the door with a big smirk, wow she got me LOL they get to split the room fee LOL.

I've never seen another country on the planet where this happens, but I did just hear some horror stories from a guy I know in Sousa, so I guess they have competition.

I always defend them when men treat them like trash on here, and this is what I get.

Karma is a beech bro jajajjajajajaaaa.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2576843]Welp, looks like I have COVID. I had a domicilio come over on a Sunday, yes, you read that right. It took about an hour to find a company doing testing on Sunday, or even Monday on a Festivo, for that matter.

+57 314 643 7513 in WhatsApp // 150 k for the antigen test // immediate results then emailed in less than 24 hours.

I have extremely mild symptoms. I woke up a couple mornings with a dry throat / mouth and some congestion. I noticed a shortness of breath on my 20 minute walk up the hill to Tesoro Smart Fit, and decided to get tested. I have a couple buddies arriving mid-week, and Pinky is set to go home at the same time to see her family. My energy level is a bit low, and I have some congestion. That's about it.

I was notified on Saturday that a gringo I went out with the past Saturday had two nights of chills and night sweats, and got a positive test result. I told him I was fine, and couldn't be sure about my mild symptoms because of partying for a couple nights. Anyway, we had gone out to eat then to a club with Pinky and her friend. The girls have no symptoms. I've had a couple 3somes and none of the girls have any symptoms.

If I contracted it last Saturday, I'm 9 days in. I had "symptoms" maybe starting Friday, without realizing it. Any experts here hahahahahahaha ok ok, any experts that actually know what the fuck they're talking about? My buddies arrive Wednesday. If I wake up symptom-free, tomorrow, and get a negative test tomorrow night or Wednesday morning, am I ok to host one of them and go out? I don't want to be that asshole that goes out with COVID. I also don't want to have my buddy stranded at a hotel or AirBnB with no guide and no Spanish, but it is what it is. Should I get a second test, or just be conservative and isolate?

The guy who tested positive told me zinc, Vitamin the, hydrate, eat protein, Tylenol. Any other tricks?

I have had 25 hangovers worse than my current symptoms, in this calendar year.

I, and many others, will probably regret this post! Apologies in advance! I just feel like the first page of Google results might be as misleading as what's to follow, here, and this will certainly be more entertaining.[/QUOTE]I guess I'm the most recent expert on the subject since I just got a certificate of recovery today.

Assuming your positive test was not a false positive, then you are likely to test positive for several weeks. You can get tested again to confirm, but you can't really use the test to determine when you're no longer contagious.

My rough calculation goes like this:

Add 5 days to the day when you were likely exposed. That should also be when you start showing symptoms. Any time after that, you are probably going to test positive, probable minimum 5 weeks, and you're probably contagious. However, 10-14 days after you start showing symptoms you should no longer be contagious. So, between 2 weeks and 19 days, after exposure should be the end of your contagious period.

My own experience went roughly like this. About June 7 I was most likely exposed. Around June 10 I had some congestion, nothing serious. June 12 I had some serious issues. I assumed (incorrectly) it was just exhaustion, since the doctors couldn't find any reason for my collapse. I wasn't tested and seemed much better after 2 days of rest.

June 15 I decided to take my trip, since I was feeling better and hadn't considered Covid as a possibility, since I was vaccinated in March. By June 17 shortness of breath was starting to be a problem, but I passed it off as the result of having to climb 5 flights of stairs to get to the apartment. Spent time with some girls I know, sightseeing and hanging out from June 18-23.

On June 25 I got tested for my return flight, positive. By that time, because my symptoms had continued to worsen, I had began to consider the possibility of Covid. Went into quarantine in my hotel. Symptoms continued to worsen until the night of June 30, when I felt bad enough to call an ambulance. After being checked out by a doctor in my hotel, he determined I didn't need further medical care. By Thursday July 1 my symptoms began to fade. Since then, I'm almost symptom free, except for an occasional cough. Today I managed to get out and walk over 6 miles in Bogota, although I needed to take a lot of breaks and the effort wiped me out.

Approximately 5 days after the last time she saw me, one of the girls came down with symptoms. She was the one who was closest with me and spent the most time with me. She's been isolating and other than a cough has had mild symptoms.

Whether or not to go out with your buddies is up to you. If you wear a mask in the cab, keep reasonable distance as much as possible, it's unlikely you'll infect them. At least that's my opinion.

I just saw a notice today that American Airlines is going to begin a direct flight from Miami to San Andres Island beginning in December. That might be useful for some of you.

Also just found out that 2 of the girls I know from Medellin are coming to Bogota to see me tomorrow. Hopefully one of them is going to test my recovery.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2576887]

My main concern was food. It is absolutely dreadful. [/QUOTE]Did you try using Rappi?

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2576843]Welp, looks like I have COVID. I had a domicilio come over on a Sunday, yes, you read that right. It took about an hour to find a company doing testing on Sunday, or even Monday on a Festivo, for that matter.

+57 314 643 7513 in WhatsApp // 150 k for the antigen test // immediate results then emailed in less than 24 hours.

I have extremely mild symptoms. I woke up a couple mornings with a dry throat / mouth and some congestion. I noticed a shortness of breath on my 20 minute walk up the hill to Tesoro Smart Fit, and decided to get tested. I have a couple buddies arriving mid-week, and Pinky is set to go home at the same time to see her family. My energy level is a bit low, and I have some congestion. That's about it.

I was notified on Saturday that a gringo I went out with the past Saturday had two nights of chills and night sweats, and got a positive test result. I told him I was fine, and couldn't be sure about my mild symptoms because of partying for a couple nights. Anyway, we had gone out to eat then to a club with Pinky and her friend. The girls have no symptoms. I've had a couple 3somes and none of the girls have any symptoms.

If I contracted it last Saturday, I'm 9 days in. I had "symptoms" maybe starting Friday, without realizing it. Any experts here hahahahahahaha ok ok, any experts that actually know what the fuck they're talking about? My buddies arrive Wednesday. If I wake up symptom-free, tomorrow, and get a negative test tomorrow night or Wednesday morning, am I ok to host one of them and go out? I don't want to be that asshole that goes out with COVID. I also don't want to have my buddy stranded at a hotel or AirBnB with no guide and no Spanish, but it is what it is. Should I get a second test, or just be conservative and isolate?

The guy who tested positive told me zinc, Vitamin the, hydrate, eat protein, Tylenol. Any other tricks?

I have had 25 hangovers worse than my current symptoms, in this calendar year.

I, and many others, will probably regret this post! Apologies in advance! I just feel like the first page of Google results might be as misleading as what's to follow, here, and this will certainly be more entertaining.[/QUOTE]Best of luck! I got it last July in Tijuana but had mild symptoms and didn't get tested until I lost taste or smell. I think what you're doing is great, it affects everyone differently so hopefully you only get mild symptoms as I did.

[QUOTE=TravelDog99;2576739]I am planning my first trip to Medellin in September or October. I have stayed in Costa Rica before at the Sportsman's Lodge and am looking for a similar experience. Low key, kind of quiet, food and beverages available in or nearby, safe and secure and enough girls to choose from to have some variety and keeping it interesting. Even some girls around if you feel the urge mid-day. I am not interested in the late night nightclub scene, pursuing and finding the ultimate 20 year old cover model, wandering the streets at night, negotiating the lowest ultimate price, or getting on a dating app. I speak little or no Spanish. Any suggestions for a similar experience? I've heard mention of Mansion?[/QUOTE]Welcome to ISG, TravelDog99.

There are over 47000 posts here in the Medellin forum, many with the advice and help that you are seeking. Please go back many pages and read, read, read, and if after all of your reading you still have questions, please post them here in the forum, and we will do our best to help you.

Remember that when you return from Medellin, write a trip report. Mongers who ask many questions and beg for help here on ISG, but who then don't contribute trip reports, and frequently ignored on this website.

Again, welcome to ISG. We look forward to reading your trip reports.

[QUOTE=ABizzle;2576675]How do you get by getting bareback services in centro? Do they feel unsafe / offended if you mention it and what percentage do you guys reckon would accept it for a 30 k tip, I plan on taking PrEp with me so inb4 don't do bare, thanks.[/QUOTE]I've worn one condom in my past two trips ( 19 days). Some will do it, some will not. You won't know until you ask LOL.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2576792]Trip Summary Update June 27-July 4th: SA, Casas, centro, Lleras, street pickup, group hang out, heartbreak, betrayal, gay parade, police called.

Heartbreak / betrayal.

This title "Heartbreak" is rather for entertainment. The buddy I met from the plane and many others I've already hangd with will immediately tell you one thing for sure about me, that I'm a hardcore MF, insensitive and ruthless at times. I use logic above all emotions, but overall try to play fair.

So in this story, met a solid 8 initially in Centro while few buddies and I were hanging out. She's 27, has a younger sister who's even hotter, from Venezuela. It's possible some of you have met them. I met those two again, including a whole posse also while at Parque Lleras at nights, numbers already exchanged since the centro meet. Then this past Thurs morning she contacted me to see if I wantd to take her after she saw me both in Centro then Lleras prev day, I offerd 100 k for an HR, she counter with 250 k min, then I advised her hey I met you frist at Centro, and we all know the going rate and that's what I'll pay, so she counted again with 120/ HR, and two hours 240 k. I took the 2 hours option incl taxi since she was coming directly from home (lives in Poblado). Came and spent 3 hours, very friendly, great session, two rounds, 240 k. She was very relaxed, didn't even want to leave, and we only left the room since buddy was on his way to grab lunch together. So I invited her, we all ate lunch together, chilled, laughed, then she proposed to take me out to Guatape on Sat, would spend the night both Fri and Sat at no charge although I had plan to compensate her properly. When she was in the room, we did talk about a lot things, family, etc. She was ok to become friends, and we had a good vibe. I almost forgot I was dealing with a WG. Oh well. This is the friendly part of me. When I meet someone who opens up, I open up also and share a bit and allow them in my circle.

So during lunch, buddy mentioned and asked about her sister since we all saw the sister in the street, prob a solid 8. 5/9, then she said after lunch she'll go find the sister, and can meet us later at Lleras for a double date. Date was solid, as I we had plan to take them to Lleras park club, get a bottle etc. We did something like that the night before with two chicas from Lleras. When we arrived at the park, buddy she's her, crossed the street and got her attention, and pointed her to me from across, she saw me, waived and I waived back thinking she'll come talk to me to figure out where we're going the 4 of us. Suddenly some other dude grabbed her and they talkd for a while. At first I thought she was giving out her number, she's a WG and no biggie, but she did the worst thing you can imagine. First, I saw the guy she's talking to staring at me incl a friend of his, not sure what she told them, perhaps she has a date with me, guy seemed over agitated and was negotiating very hard LOL. Then walked to a bar and bought her a drink. While I'm waiting across with my buddy, a beautiful Vennie came to talk to me and proposed me, I declined. But when I decl a girl, sometimes I say things like, maybe later. Then I notice the girl who came to propose is a friend of my date, so I'm being set up, my date sent another girl my way so she can go away with the aggressive dude? Yikes!!

She did just as I imagined, she walked away with the guy. After a while, in disappointment, took the courage to go ask the younger sister what happened, sister said my date thought I agreed to go with the friend. I'm like that BS, and she did that as a way to not look so guilty, to manipulate. I almost took the younger sister home instead as a revenge, but I didn't even want to mess with that crew. To me it's disrespectful. I don't expect complete honor among working girls, but still a little decency goes a long way. Because there was absolutely no reason for it, I got money just like that guy she left with, plus we had plans for many more dates. It's true WG aren't smart. They'd rather make quick buck now, and lose out of a more stable source including a friendship. First, you can't truly break someone's heart unless they're in love with you, so I wasn't heartbroken, but definitely felt betrayed in some form.

Later that night we had a heated discussion via text as to what happened. She sounded very convinced that I accepted her friend's offer, or she's a good manipulator, especially since it's her friend that came to me. What a coincidence? Then she immediately came to tell you? Whatthefuckever I wasn't born yesterday. Then claimed that's why she left with the guy. I'm like you couldn't even approach me to confirm? We broke bread together earlier, we bonded, I deserved at least that. Your girl came and talkd to me for two minutes, and you're telling you were willing to walk away with another guy in front of me, without a word? In fact, while we were in bed earlier, I even told her how I turn women down, by telling them later cause I don't want to be rude sometimes and laughed that it's a terrible way. Now you're telling me I told your friend maybe later, and you believed it? Made no sense. Anyhow, she apologized, but obvio all future dates are cancelled. I don't care if she fucks 20 guys a day, but when it's my turn, it's my turn. If I have to wait for another guy, and you skip me right in front of me, you're trash. I did exchange some harsh words, and was my error once more to think a hoe can have honorable words.[/QUOTE]

Great report man, I'm so behind on all mine LOL. I feel you on somewhat feeling betrayed. A lot all girls are not like that, but for the ones that are I feel like it's just something their taught growing up or getting into this. They don't even notice what they're doing is wrong. For me, I have a couple regular girls who some don't even charge me anymore. I'll get them business but other than me and those guys they try to act like they aren't fucking others LOL. One girl even told a dude I sent her way to not tell me we were together lmao. I also don't care if they're fucking around, focus on me when you're with me and don't try to make me look like a fool when you obviously know I'm fine with your work.

For the cop situation that's tough man, I've had that about twice but I was in Poblado and the girl left nicely without any drama when I said no. Having a stable of girls is beneficial, some I have for free, the others spend the night for cheaper than I had an hour date the first time I met them.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2576843]


I, and many others, will probably regret this post! Apologies in advance! I just feel like the first page of Google results might be as misleading as what's to follow, here, and this will certainly be more entertaining.[/QUOTE]The CDC had previously put out some guidance about asymptomatic and I think at least 10 days post infection, but that has been changing and with testing far more readily available most people are erring on the side of getting tested. For someone like you who I presume works out regularly and is fairly immunocompetent you should not have issues clearing the virus. Also were you vaccinated? If so you will probably also clear it sooner. But the PCR test is the sensitive one, it also usually takes a day or so to come back. If your PCR is negative you should be good to go. For those who are immune deficient they may not clear virus as well and virus / remnants may linger long after the disease has passed. That's why the CDC put in that doctors note option.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2576978]Did you try using Rappi?[/QUOTE]Good point. No I didn't. I have already rejected those delivery services. They are fine if you order something straight from their menus, but as soon as you make a special request, you can almost guarantee it will turn in to a disaster. Nearly all my orders are special requests and I found I had to return the food or fight for a refund over half the time.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2577122]Good point. No I didn't. I have already rejected those delivery services. They are fine if you order something straight from their menus, but as soon as you make a special request, you can almost guarantee it will turn in to a disaster. Nearly all my orders are special requests and I found I had to return the food or fight for a refund over half the time.[/QUOTE]Yes it's a fact. Colombia is not much attuned to high maintenance tourists.

I arrived mid-day Sunday, and the weather has been incredible with no rain. During the day there has been scattered clouds blocking the sun most of the time resulting in cool temps along with nice breezes. And the evenings have been just as nice with the difference being there's literally no humidity, alfresco all day and night except when the clouds are not blocking the sun during the day. The weather at times in Medellin is so incredible and one of the major attractions of this City besides the women available.

Since arriving I've had three nice sessions with some of my regulars in El Centro, and things seem pretty much the same as about three weeks ago, but apparently this last Saturday it was off the charts, and during my time in El Centro on Sunday and Monday I noticed some new talent out, and also have noticed more girls working under the Parque Berrio Metro Station whom are primarily Venezuelans.

I've also noticed an uptick in what some of the girls are asking for, and believe given the influx of mongers in El Centro, and there appears to be more mongers than ever before, that the smarter girls are now quoting higher prices to the foreigners which is inevitable.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2576843]Welp, looks like I have COVID.
I, and many others, will probably regret this post! Apologies in advance! I just feel like the first page of Google results might be as misleading as what's to follow, here, and this will certainly be more entertaining.[/QUOTE]Nothing to regret about your post and your fortunate to only have mild symptoms and hopefully you won't loose your sense of smell and taste. I don't know if you were vaccinated or not, and if you were, it's disturbing, and if so, your not alone as Jb2 was vaccinated and caught COVID, hopefully he's home now.

As I have mentioned before, I believe nobody should be coming to Colombia if they haven't been vaccinated as the infection rate is still very high here.

I'm vaccinated and basically have thrown caution to the wind here, meaning I'm on the Metro daily packed in like a sardine, interacting with girls on the streets, rolling around on Hotel beds in El Centro, and eating in restaurants, etc.

Anyways, hopefully you'll clear being infectious and can have your friends visit you soon.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2576792]Trip Summary Update June 27-July 4th: SA, Casas, centro, Lleras, street pickup, group hang out, heartbreak, betrayal, gay parade, police called.

SA / NON-PROS.

Enjoying my trip so far, and this is rather a summary instead of a day by day breakdown...[/QUOTE]Great reporting!

Good read, thanks!

Enjoy!

I'm in Argentina at the moment, for business, it's a shell of its former days.

Back to Brazil tomorrow.

Thank you Jesus! LOL.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2577144]
As I have mentioned before, I believe nobody should be coming to Colombia if they haven't been vaccinated as the infection rate is still very high here.

Anyways, hopefully you'll clear being infectious and can have your friends visit you soon.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2576903]I guess I'm the most recent expert on the subject since I just got a certificate of recovery today.

Assuming your positive test was not a false positive, then you are likely to test positive for several weeks. You can get tested again to confirm, but you can't really use the test to determine when you're no longer contagious.


Whether or not to go out with your buddies is up to you. If you wear a mask in the cab, keep reasonable distance as much as possible, it's unlikely you'll infect them. At least that's my opinion.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nounce;2576883]You need to get a PCR test. I think they should be able to tell you whether you are infectious or not based on the CT value. Good luck![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JustTK;2576881]Well think positively. At least you earned it!

You could maybe tell your buddy of your circumstances and see what he says. Not everyone is scared of contracting the virus. Even if he is concerned, has he been vaxd?[/QUOTE]No, I have not been vaxed. Haven't been home since New Year, and not really interested in the vax, anyway. One buddy has been vaxed, and both have had COVID. One got it a year ago, so he's not 100% confident, and doesn't want to spend his vacation quarantined, but it sounds like he's going to roll the dice.

I woke up today feeling fine. Congestion has improved, and fatigue is gone.

Based on JjBee62's terrible experience and information, it seems any test I do in the next 24 hours would come back positive. Thus, maybe I need to just make the decision based on how I feel. I'm not trying to be an asshole, but if I feel 100% in the morning, and my buddies have no worries. I'll probably consider going out. What could go wrong? Last time I was excited to go out in Medellin, I spent two days and $1800 replacing an iPhone!

Thanks to all for the comments, advice, & info. Not something I want to spend a half a day researching on Google!

[QUOTE=Balboa;2577175]Great reporting!

Good read, thanks!

Enjoy!

I'm in Argentina at the moment, for business, it's a shell of its former days.

Back to Brazil tomorrow.

Thank you Jesus! LOL.[/QUOTE]Isn't Argentina pretty great now with the dollar blue exchange rate?

You can get escorts for $10-$20 and top tier ones for $80-$100 pretty much.

[QUOTE=DeepXliv;2576999]Great report man, I'm so behind on all mine LOL. I feel you on somewhat feeling betrayed. A lot all girls are not like that, but for the ones that are I feel like it's just something their taught growing up or getting into this. They don't even notice what they're doing is wrong. For me, I have a couple regular girls who some don't even charge me anymore. I'll get them business but other than me and those guys they try to act like they aren't fucking others LOL. One girl even told a dude I sent her way to not tell me we were together lmao. I also don't care if they're fucking around, focus on me when you're with me and don't try to make me look like a fool when you obviously know I'm fine with your work.

For the cop situation that's tough man, I've had that about twice but I was in Poblado and the girl left nicely without any drama when I said no. Having a stable of girls is beneficial, some I have for free, the others spend the night for cheaper than I had an hour date the first time I met them.[/QUOTE]The "betrayal" situation is quite easy to understand if you accept one of the cultural idiosyncrasies of Colombians. They don't like to say "no."

This applies not only to chicas, but to most Colombians. Giving a direct "no" goes against their nature. This is one of the reasons why so many girls flake or show up 2 hours late. They set up to meet you at 8 pm, but they know that mom won't be home to watch the kids until 9, so they tell you yes and make excuses for 2 hours because it's easier than saying "no, I can't be there until 10."

And when you're sitting in the bar, watching the girl who is coming to you, and she gets approached by another guy, who wants a roll right now, it's easier to go with him and make excuses to you, than to tell him "no."

This can be maddening if you're trying to do business in Colombia. You have a meeting, seems like it went well, you set up a follow-up meeting and they don't show. When you call, there's excuses and it was a misunderstanding, but they'll rarely come out and say they aren't interested. Instead you end up chasing your tail for 2 months.

There are ways you can lessen the problems with this. One way is to ask the girls what time works for them. If she says she can arrive at 10, expect 10:30 and she'll probably be there or close. If the time she says won't work for you, don't waste your time trying to get her there earlier. Just set her up for another day and move down the list.

Hey guys,

After getting robbed by cops recently in Mexico, I wanted to ask if it's common in Colombia for cops to use street walkers as "bait" to try to squeeze some dollars out of you. This is very common in Mexico.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2576897]Colombia has some of the most dishonest putas on the planet.

I always tell them I pay after you make me orgasm.

So this putas says OK, and I ignored some red flags.

Like she had some tats on her arms, so I take her to a st room and she wants the money NOW I tell no way sand he walks out and.

Starts screaming to the guy at the desk in espanol, we were in the room less than 1 min.

Never took shoes off or even sat on the bed, I go to the desk and ask for my money for the room and he chuckles like I'm insane.

She's standing at the door with a big smirk, wow she got me LOL they get to split the room fee LOL.

I've never seen another country on the planet where this happens, but I did just hear some horror stories from a guy I know in Sousa, so I guess they have competition.

I always defend them when men treat them like trash on here, and this is what I get.

Karma is a beech bro jajajjajajajaaaa.[/QUOTE]I know man, it is Karma. Unless it's family or wifey, no more bruh. Do as you please. After you nut feel free to stick 20 inches of your foot down their throat, I'm done caring LOL.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2576843]Welp, looks like I have COVID. I had a domicilio come over on a Sunday, yes, you read that right. It took about an hour to find a company doing testing on Sunday, or even Monday on a Festivo, for that matter.

+57 314 643 7513 in WhatsApp // 150 k for the antigen test // immediate results then emailed in less than 24 hours.[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear that bro. I know the PCR test costs a bit more, but that's the one I would recommend you take since it's more accurate. The antigen is more like an antibody detection and doesn't really test the actual virus, maybe someone can post more details on that. For ex, some folks who's been vaccinated, still can show positive (false positive) with the antigen test, hence why the PCR is recommend especially if you're vaccinated. I know you said you weren't. Also I wouldn't recommend going out quite yet, since you apparently are asymptomatic and could easily pass it to your friends and who knows what might happen to them. It's obviously careless IMO.

One thing that frustrate me right now in Medellin is like 50% of people almost forget if Covid is still around and rising. Gringos and locals alike walks to people and shaking hands, and I have to consistently push people away unless I know them. Still uncomfortable with dudes I know. I'm like you can say what's up without a handshake bruh. When I'm in parque Lleras in some parts every 10 minutes someone want to shake my hands, incl homeless people, and I say no COVID COVID and I watch their reaction backing up thinking I got it LOL. People are soooo stupid. Just be careful and get well.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2577204]No, I have not been vaxed. Haven't been home since New Year, and not really interested in the vax, anyway. One buddy has been vaxed, and both have had COVID. One got it a year ago, so he's not 100% confident, and doesn't want to spend his vacation quarantined, but it sounds like he's going to roll the dice.

I woke up today feeling fine. Congestion has improved, and fatigue is gone.

Based on JjBee62's terrible experience and information, it seems any test I do in the next 24 hours would come back positive. Thus, maybe I need to just make the decision based on how I feel. I'm not trying to be an asshole, but if I feel 100% in the morning, and my buddies have no worries. I'll probably consider going out. What could go wrong? Last time I was excited to go out in Medellin, I spent two days and $1800 replacing an iPhone!

Thanks to all for the comments, advice, & info. Not something I want to spend a half a day researching on Google![/QUOTE]Anyone refusing the vaccine at this point, considering 3,5000,000,000 shots have been given safely with a profound effect in the spread of the disease, is not only a selfish POS but a public health threat.

Quick question for a first timer in MDE. How far is it from centro to Lleras and then to Poblado? Just trying to get some perspective. Thanks.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2577204]No, I have not been vaxed.... Not something I want to spend a half a day researching on Google![/QUOTE]Never thought much of your posts and now I'm even more sure that you are the kind I avoid.

Much easier for you to spread the Virus than to take the time and effort to avoid doing so.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2577229]Anyone refusing the vaccine at this point, considering 3,5000,000,000 shots have been given safely with a profound effect in the spread of the disease, is not only a selfish POS but a public health threat.[/QUOTE]While I'm clearly in favor of getting the vaccine, people are going to do what people are going to do. My uneducated opinion, considering my medical history, and the difficulties I experienced even though I'm vaccinated, is that I would be in ICU somewhere right now, with about a 5% chance of survival, if I wasn't vaccinated.

And everyone on this board is a public health threat. We're out fucking multiple partners, almost all who are unvaccinated and many are having unprotected vaginal and even anal sex. And let's not forget the recent discussion of the joys of actually eating other people's shit.

It's easy to sit on your throne and point the finger at others, but if you're mongering, you're no better than anyone else who's mongering, regardless of vaccination status. I've already proven a vaccinated person can get infected and I've proven a vaccinated person can infect someone else, even without kissing or having sex with them.

From my Sugar Daddies post. She was and maybe still is, in a classic long term, Sugar Daddy relationship with a gringo in his sixties who flies in one long weekend per month from Miami to bang her brains out. The Sugar Daddy bought her virginity from her mother when she was 15 years old. She sent this foto to me the first time before we met. I must have met her on line since she was in Bogota and I was in Medellin. Pictures don't seem to do justice, but her beauty was one for the ages. I also just remembered, SHE was the first one I ever pulled that little trick of having her enter the room, drop to her knees, and start sucking without saying a word the first time we met. That same scenario played out during my last trip to Medellin with Sort Swirl, as was posted here, but BarbBogota was the first. So far, those are the only two chicas with whom I have done that, but I am sure not the last. I will look for that transcript, it is really nasty and fun.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2577229]Anyone refusing the vaccine at this point, considering 3,5000,000,000 shots have been given safely with a profound effect in the spread of the disease, is not only a selfish POS but a public health threat.[/QUOTE]How is that? Being vaccinated does not stop you from contracting or spreading the virus. It only stops you from getting seriously ill and dying. A person with or without the vaccine is the same public heath threat. So the only person that someone could be hurting because they did not get the vaccine is themselves.

"COVID 19-vaccines are effective. They can keep you from getting and spreading the virus that causes COVID-19. COVID-19 vaccines also help keep you from getting seriously ill even if you do get COVID-19. Getting vaccinated yourself may also protect people around you.

This stuff from the CDC says can and may. It does not say will. If that was the case then Jj, who has already been vaccinated, would not have needed to be quarentined the other day after he tested positive for the virus.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2577212]The "betrayal" situation is quite easy to understand if you accept one of the cultural idiosyncrasies of Colombians. They don't like to say "no."

This applies not only to chicas, but to most Colombians. Giving a direct "no" goes against their nature.[/QUOTE]I was supposed to meet up with a chick in Bogota today. Yesterday she told me that we could meet up sometime after noon today and I said ok. I hit her up at 10am today to ask what time we were going to get together. She said she thought me saying ok meant no. In what the fuck world does saying ok mean no? So if I wanted to mean ok what would I have had to say? I say what I mean. I don't say shit in a secret code for you to figure out and assume what I mean. Dealing with stupid mfs like this makes me want to be monogamous.

[QUOTE=CummingMan;2577240]Quick question for a first timer in MDE. How far is it from centro to Lleras and then to Poblado? Just trying to get some perspective. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Parque Lleras is in Poblado. From Parque Lleras to El Centro is about 5 miles. From the south end of Poblado add about 4 more miles.

[QUOTE=CummingMan;2577240]Quick question for a first timer in MDE. How far is it from centro to Lleras and then to Poblado? Just trying to get some perspective. Thanks.[/QUOTE]From El Centro to LLeras its about 5 km or 3.1 Miles, from Poblado to El Centro its closer but not by much, I would say 4.8 Km or 3 Miles. Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2577277]I was supposed to meet up with a chick in Bogota today. Yesterday she told me that we could meet up sometime after noon today and I said ok. I hit her up at 10am today to ask what time we were going to get together. She said she thought me saying ok meant no. In what the fuck world does saying ok mean no? So if I wanted to mean ok what would I have had to say? I say what I mean. I don't say shit in a secret code for you to figure out and assume what I mean. Dealing with stupid mfs like this makes me want to be monogamous.[/QUOTE]While there's no sure fire way, because chicas are going to be chicas, try something like "Te vere a la 1 mas o menos manaña. Esta bien? Confirmare la hora en la mañana.

I will see you around 1 tomorrow, okay? I'll confirm the time in the morning.

That won't guarantee she's going to show, but it ensures she understands your intent.

That's in my rules to live by, along with always confirming the girl is talking pesos and not dollars.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2577274]How is that? Being vaccinated does not stop you from contracting or spreading the virus.[/QUOTE]You lecture on a topic that has not been understood yet by top virology scientists and schools, and you do that exhibiting such a self-confidence like if you were stating demonstrated theorems. All this matter has still to be understood, and science does it starting from empirical facts.

Indeed, there is some evidence that being vaccinated, that is having some immunity, DOES protect to some extent also from being infected. Otherwise, how could one / we even mention herd immunity?

To what extent, it has still to be assessed. Vaccines have been out for less than one year. Nothing. To make the matter even more complex to assess, variants are more or less resistant. The system is quickly changing, before we understand the parameters.

The origin of your claim, very common around, is that statistical facts in vaccine trials and mass vaccinations have been mostly collected by counting those who fell sick, not doing a PCR to all those who were vaccinated (impossible in practice).
Most plausible conjecture is that vaccines protect to a less extent from infection, than from falling seriously sick, but this does not mean that there is no protection against infection.

I prevent a wrong claim: immunity from vaccine is stronger and more effective than from having been sick. At least this is a well known fact, demonstrated for most vaccines that have been used so far. There is some good reason that justifies that, because of how a vaccine works.

In conclusion: vaccinating say 90% of a population DOES protect also the 10% who could not be vaccinated, or (shame on them) refused it. The bad thing is that we will be never able to vaccinate 90% of world population.

[QUOTE=CummingMan;2577240]Quick question for a first timer in MDE. How far is it from centro to Lleras and then to Poblado? Just trying to get some perspective. Thanks.[/QUOTE]What about Google Maps?

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2577338]You lecture on a topic that has not been understood yet by top virology scientists and schools, and you do that exhibiting such a self-confidence like if you were stating demonstrated theorems.[/QUOTE]Not at all. I do not know shit about viruses or medicine, but I do know English and I know how to read and understand it. What I stated is from what is said on the CDC website (my reason for putting in quotation what I directly copied and pasted and saying this stuff from the CDC) and has nothing to do with my thoughts, beliefs, or self-confidence. So if there is a dispute, take it up with them. I do not have a dog in the fight.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2577220]I know man, it is Karma. Unless it's family or wifey, no more bruh. Do as you please. After you nut feel free to stick 20 inches of your foot down their throat, I'm done caring LOL.[/QUOTE]I'm in a strip club in the US waiting for a puta in the back room, I'm sitting at the bar the place is empty, she texts me saying she will be out in 2 minutes.

I did her several times in the past, so I see she starts walking towards me and WHAM it happens, she sits down with some old guy I didn't even notice sitting in the corner.

I was like WTF? She was smoking hot A true 10.

So instead of just leaving because I'm pissed, I walk up to the table and say what are you doing, and she says I'm talking to this gentleman, don't be rude! Jajajaja.

I was furious, not offended or hurt just pissed, I'm guessing he didn't even take her.

She probably just thought she could try to snag him and get still get me jajaja.

She was a solid 10 and she fucking knew it.

I blocked her number and didn't go back to that club for a few years.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2577338]You lecture on a topic that has not been understood yet by top virology scientists and schools, and you do that exhibiting such a self-confidence like if you were stating demonstrated theorems. All this matter has still to be understood, and science does it starting from empirical facts.

Indeed, there is some evidence that being vaccinated, that is having some immunity, DOES protect to some extent also from being infected. Otherwise, how could one / we even mention herd immunity?

To what extent, it has still to be assessed. Vaccines have been out for less than one year. Nothing. To make the matter even more complex to assess, variants are more or less resistant. The system is quickly changing, before we understand the parameters.

The origin of your claim, very common around, is that statistical facts in vaccine trials and mass vaccinations have been mostly collected by counting those who fell sick, not doing a PCR to all those who were vaccinated (impossible in practice).
Most plausible conjecture is that vaccines protect to a less extent from infection, than from falling seriously sick, but this does not mean that there is no protection against infection..[/QUOTE]This all makes perfect sense to me, which means someone is going to come along saying it's all garbage because of something they read from a guy who never took a science class.

Now let me throw a wrench at it.

I (vaccinated) caught Covid (most likely) from my brother, even though I probably was only within 6 feet of him for under a minute while he was contagious. I was probably contagious for nearly 3 weeks (unaware I was infected for the first 2+ weeks). During that time I spent at least 8 hours within 6 feet of 3 women and 2 hours in that range with a fourth, plus 2 hours having sex with a fifth. Only one has become infected. She was the one of the first 3 who had the lowest average distance from me.

Had I known of my infection, 1 less person would have been infected (assuming she won't infect anyone during her infectious period. If I had not been vaccinated, I probably would have been tested sooner, cancelled my trip and not infected anyone else.

On the other hand, if, being vaccinated, I had been asymptomatic, I would have been in closer contact with several other women, possibly infecting more, who could pass on the infection.

While the vaccine does reduce the chance of spread, it is not a perfect solution. There will be situations where, on a local scale, a vaccinated person will infect more people than if they were unvaccinated.

To try to make it clearer let's talk seatbelts. Seatbelts save lives. If you compare 100,000 accidents where everyone wore a seatbelt with 100,000 accidents where nobody wore a seatbelt, the benefits are obvious and undeniable. However, there are accidents where people die because they were wearing a seatbelt.

It's simple. For the overall public good, the more people who get vaccinated (and wear seatbelts) the better. But on the micro scale, for a small number of people, getting vaccinated (or wearing a seatbelt) will make things worse.

This is word for word, no translation required because she is fluent in English. I can't believe it has been almost two years already. The auto editor here changes some words automatically, I was not calling her a "working girl" jajaja.

{2:34 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: Love, I have an emergency, can you send me money?

{2:37 PM, 10/01/2019} Barbara Bogot: Please.

{2:39 PM, 1/10/2019} My information: not a peso, not a dime.

{2:40 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: Thank you.

{2:40 PM, 10/1/2019} My information: If we had already met and I liked you, if your holes were tight and sweet, maybe.

{2:41 PM, 10/1/2019} Barbara Bogot: I need 100 pesos, I'm very sick, please help.

{2:44 PM, 10/1/2019} My information: Are you really asking for 100 pesos?

{2:45 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: Okay, I don't bother you.

{2:46 PM, 1/10/2019} My information: What I mean is that that amount is so small that I can't even send that amount. That is roughly. 03 cents American, you must mean more.

{2:46 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: 100,000 love.

{2:47 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: I have strong migraines and I want to go to the doctor to help me I have 3 days without eating because the headache is so strong that I can't even eat.

{2:49 PM, 1/10/2019} My information: Migraines are horrible, but I have heard all the working girl tricks and lies from girls like you before and I think you are a lying * just like the rest of them.

{2:49 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: Okay Thank you.

{2:51 PM, 10/1/2019} My information: But if you promise never to ask for money again, I will send it to you and we will still see each other to fuck. Of course, fucking is a separate arrangement. I don't expect you to do it all for free but I will ask for some extras.

{2:52 PM, 10/1/2019} Barbara Bogot: I promise not to do it anymore, I don't usually do this but I am desperate since I can't work and the migraine is very horrible I am crying from the pain for 3 days.

{2:54 PM, 1/10/2019} My information: I will send it Western Union. I need your exact name as it appears on the government ID that you will use to collect the money.

{2:55 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: Thank you my love, really.

{2:55 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: The name is XXXXXXX XXXXXXX XXXXX.

{2:56 PM, 1/10/2019} My information: I have never been told the truth from any of you girls about needing money, I have heard it all from sick mothers to sick children, for birthdays, for travel to funerals, but it is worth paying you this small amount knowing you will not ask me again and knowing you will feel like you owe me when we fuck you will spread your holes extra wide open.

{2:56 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: I will do that and more.

{2:59 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: I can only tell you that in this world of porn there are many bad and experienced people, I cannot say that I am not like that since you do not believe me but I only wait for the moment in that we can meet to prove the person that I am, maybe not to have a relationship but to create a bond of complicity and friendship, and that brings confidence, is little by little but I will succeed.

{3:02 PM, 1/10/2019} My information: Wait, I'll try to send the money now, it will take several minutes. Then you will need the tracking number. My number one working girl is in bed next to me right now. I hope you are happy because she is watching everything I do. Of course now I'm going to have to give this working girl twice as much money as I give you, hahahaha.

{3:03 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: Ok love, I'm waiting for you.

{3:05 PM, 10/1/2019} My information: I'll say one thing, you talk and write better than most sluts. You have a brain in your head. But you're still a working girl to me who does what working girls naturally do that is ask for money for doing nothing.

{3:11 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: And I'll always be your working girl.

{3:11 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: That won't change.

{3:11 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: I just won't be an empty working girl.

{3:13 PM, 1/10/2019} My information: wait.

{3:14 PM, 1/10/2019} My information: I'm doing it.

{3:14 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: Yes love.

{3:19 PM, 10/1/2019} My information: OK very important we get your name exactly right or they will not release the money.

{3:24 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: Yes love.

{3:24 PM, 10/1/2019} My information: I'm sure that a liar working girl like you is already familiar with the process, but I'll tell you anyway:

{3:26 PM, 10/1/2019} My information: The tracking number is XXX XXX XXXX.

{3:26 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: And whoever sends love will ask me.

{3:27 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: Thank you my love.

{3:27 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: I am the luckiest lying working girl.

{3:27 PM, 10/1/2019} My information: The exact amount is 150,000 COP. I gave you extra because in my experience, working girls are too stupid to know how much they need.

{3:28 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: Thank you daddy.

{3:29 PM, 10/1/2019} My information: With a 1% chance you are telling the truth, I hope you feel better. Migraines are horrible.

{3:30 PM, 10/1/2019} Barbara Bogota: Migraines are hereditary and as my mother suffered too, they are even accompanied by vomiting.

{3:30 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogota: Thank you love.

{3:31 PM, 1/10/2019} My info: In exchange for this favor, when we finally meet, I will expect you to fall to your knees and start sucking before we ever exchange any words.

{3:31 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogota: This will be my love.

{3:32 PM, 1/10/2019} My info: I am serious, I will open the hotel door and if one word leaves your mouth before you drop to your knees and start sucking, I close the door on your face and send you home without taxi fare.

{3:31 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogota: Your working girl will not disappoint you, I will do as I am told.

She did exactly that.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2577204]No, I have not been vaxed. Haven't been home since New Year, and not really interested in the vax, anyway. One buddy has been vaxed, and both have had COVID. One got it a year ago, so he's not 100% confident, and doesn't want to spend his vacation quarantined,
Based on JjBee62's terrible experience and information, it seems any test I do in the next 24 hours would come back positive. Thus, maybe I need to just make the decision based on how I feel![/QUOTE]If you think you have it, get tested immediately. If you get a positive test result: wait exactly 14 days, then have doctor certify you recovered. Then, with the test result together with the doctor cert, you can travel without need to test for the next 90 days! For doc: Las Vegas Clinic in Poblado, Dr. Mauricio Alvarado. He specializes in covid. Walk in, $50 and he has you covered. Too many people talking out their ass on the forum. But, if you have it, thing to do is check into the best hotel you can afford for a week, one with proper infrastructure, room service and decent restaurant. Get some doloff. Even if its nothing but the fricking flu, with your immune system fighting covid, you are susceptible to picking up something else that can fuck you up. And face it, the casa rooms -- airless, fetid -- are full of virus. Don't think for a second the chicks don't have it. And if you think they'd tell you then you're a fool. Doctor Mauricio has some advice on that: no Colombian will tell you they have or had it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2577347]Not at all. I do not know shit about viruses or medicine, but I do know English and I know how to read and understand it. What I stated is from what is said on the CDC website (my reason for putting in quotation what I directly copied and pasted and saying this stuff from the CDC) and has nothing to do with my thoughts, beliefs, or self-confidence. So if there is a dispute, take it up with them. I do not have a dog in the fight.[/QUOTE]Ok. So I adjust my first words as "You SEEM to lecture on a topic. ".

You have read the CDC text. You have noted the "may" and "can". They are there, because of what I tried to explain. They do not write as "Being vaccinated does not stop you from spreading the virus" or "Being vaccinated stops you from spreading the virus". They write as "Being vaccinated MAY stop you from contracting or spreading the virus. ", where "may" means "it's possible".

The short story is that there is evidence that vaccines protect also from contracting, to some extent, but to what extent it is still not known. Most likely, to a lower degree than from falling sick, but there is some protection.

The reason why I am persistent in this is that we read too often the bullshit "If I don't get vaxxed it's my problem if I get sick, others should not tell me what to do, because however vaxxed or not I still spread the virus around, and for them it is the same". NO, it is NOT the same.

The truth is that not all infectious diseases behave the same. Therefore, only empirical evidence will help to understand.

It's more about traffic than distance in my opinion. In the middle of the night the trip takes 15 to 20 minutes. I can take twice that long during rush hour. Savvy drivers cut through Little Caracas up the hill from San Diego to avoid the backups on La Oriental.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2577299]Parque Lleras is in Poblado. From Parque Lleras to El Centro is about 5 miles. From the south end of Poblado add about 4 more miles.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2577204]No, I have not been vaxed. Haven't been home since New Year, and not really interested in the vax, anyway.
I woke up today feeling fine. Congestion has improved, and fatigue is gone.


Thanks to all for the comments, advice, & info. Not something I want to spend a half a day researching on Google![/QUOTE]That is just not cool bro. Even if you "feel fine" you could be carrying covid19 virus in your nasopharyngeal cavity especially so close from symptoms onset and then spread it via respiratory droplets. So waiting the time like JJb or getting the PCR test to know you have cleared is the only safe way to do it. Otherwise you could inadvertently infect someone and that person could be dead a couple weeks later. You may never even know about it, but like I said, do you want that karma. Anyway, I think everyone has said their bit, just be smart. And re the vaccine, its been over a year and over 3 B doses given worldwide. Do you not want to be part of the solve so we can return to pre Covid times? Do your part.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2577363]That is just not cool bro. Even if you "feel fine" you could be carrying covid19 virus in your nasopharyngeal cavity especially so close from symptoms onset and then spread it via respiratory droplets. So waiting the time like JJb or getting the PCR test to know you have cleared is the only safe way to do it. Otherwise you could inadvertently infect someone and that person could be dead a couple weeks later. You may never even know about it, but like I said, do you want that karma. Anyway, I think everyone has said their bit, just be smart. And re the vaccine, its been over a year and over 3 B doses given worldwide. Do you not want to be part of the solve so we can return to pre Covid times? Do your part.[/QUOTE]Very well put GH! I was maybe a little crude but your words will hopefully be taken since you put it a non confrontation way. Next time I'll count to 10 like I was told in my 1 on 1 anger management that made sense but I never do so. Hard to teach an old dog.

I hope Slap Shot doesn't get any sicker and doesn't spread the Virus to anyone.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2577361]
You have read the CDC text. You have noted the "may" and "can". .[/QUOTE]Like many other discussions, people generalize a specific scenario. Vaccine being not 100%, people can generalize the imperfection. The bottom line is vaccines reduce death and serious illness, and also reduce infection. There are plenty of research on these. You need to make your point from the imperfection, then people can't generalize the specific against your point unless it is false.

I suspected as much. I hope you reconsider your vaccination posture.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2577204]No, I have not been vaxed. Haven't been home since New Year, and not really interested in the vax, anyway. One buddy has been vaxed, and both have had COVID. One got it a year ago, so he's not 100% confident, and doesn't want to spend his vacation quarantined, but it sounds like he's going to roll the dice.

I woke up today feeling fine. Congestion has improved, and fatigue is gone.

Based on JjBee62's terrible experience and information, it seems any test I do in the next 24 hours would come back positive. Thus, maybe I need to just make the decision based on how I feel. I'm not trying to be an asshole, but if I feel 100% in the morning, and my buddies have no worries. I'll probably consider going out. What could go wrong? Last time I was excited to go out in Medellin, I spent two days and $1800 replacing an iPhone!

Thanks to all for the comments, advice, & info. Not something I want to spend a half a day researching on Google![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2577212]The "betrayal" situation is quite easy to understand if you accept one of the cultural idiosyncrasies of Colombians. They don't like to say "no."

This applies not only to chicas, but to most Colombians. Giving a direct "no" goes against their nature. This is one of the reasons why so many girls flake or show up 2 hours late. They set up to meet you at 8 pm, but they know that mom won't be home to watch the kids until 9, so they tell you yes and make excuses for 2 hours because it's easier than saying "no, I can't be there until 10.".[/QUOTE]So true what you have brought up about Colombians not wanting to say no. They don't like conflict and are not direct as you have mentioned, and I find it maddening at times.

[QUOTE=CapYandel;2577218]Hey guys,

After getting robbed by cops recently in Mexico, I wanted to ask if it's common in Colombia for cops to use street walkers as "bait" to try to squeeze some dollars out of you. This is very common in Mexico.[/QUOTE]I have heard of stings using underage streetwalkers where basically you have to pay your way out of it. I have not experienced that personally. That is why you ask to see her ID if you think the girl is young, but even that is not fool proof because in a sting she can use two different ID's. The "yellow shirts" or the cops who ride bicycles had a bad rep a couple of years ago on Avenida 70 for stopping you and emptying your wallet, but that seems to have died down. That happened to a couple of my Gringo acquaintances.

You will read here, don't carry more money than you are willing to lose in a robbery. I always change that to, carry at least enough money so you can pay off the policia without having to take a trip to the station. 300 mil COP will usually suffice, of course it depends on the situation. You don't have to say anything, just hand them your wallet, they will liberate the money themselves, jaja.

Gratuitous fotos.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2577371]The bottom line is vaccines reduce death and serious illness, and also reduce infection.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Therefore to brand people without the vaccine with a scarlet letter is absurd. The only way to give it is if you got it. You can get it and give it whether you are vaccinated or not. If you have the vaccine YOUR chances are reduced on the receiving side, but they are the same as those without the vaccine on the giving side. They don't say if you don't get the vaccine you are going to give covid to someone. They don't say if you do get the vaccine you can not give covid to someone. You get the vaccine to protect yourself, not for you to protect other people.

The truth is nobody knows anything yet. Just like they said you can get it easily from surfaces which turned out to be bunk. Only n95 can help you. But wait medical staff are running out so yea, those cloth masks work fine too. Oh BTW we found out it's difficult to get it from surface contact. And on and on. Let people make their own choices on what they put in their body. You got the vaccine so you're safe right? I'm 39,smoke, drink, treat my body like a dumpster and have had colds worse than covid. If you want to be the Guinea pig to a rushed vaccine that would normally take years to be studied and approved then by all means do you, but I'll wait it out.

Thank you for stating what many here don't appreciate. We hobbyists are, on average, more of a health threat than the average person. Having sex with many partners (who themselves have sex with many partners) is a great way to spread lots of things (and not just STDs and Covid).

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2577250]While I'm clearly in favor of getting the vaccine, people are going to do what people are going to do. My uneducated opinion, considering my medical history, and the difficulties I experienced even though I'm vaccinated, is that I would be in ICU somewhere right now, with about a 5% chance of survival, if I wasn't vaccinated.

And everyone on this board is a public health threat. We're out fucking multiple partners, almost all who are unvaccinated and many are having unprotected vaginal and even anal sex. And let's not forget the recent discussion of the joys of actually eating other people's shit.

It's easy to sit on your throne and point the finger at others, but if you're mongering, you're no better than anyone else who's mongering, regardless of vaccination status. I've already proven a vaccinated person can get infected and I've proven a vaccinated person can infect someone else, even without kissing or having sex with them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2577383]Exactly. Therefore to brand people without the vaccine with a scarlet letter is absurd. The only way to give it is if you got it. You can get it and give it whether you are vaccinated or not. If you have the vaccine YOUR chances are reduced on the receiving side, but they are the same as those without the vaccine on the giving side. They don't say if you don't get the vaccine you are going to give covid to someone. They don't say if you do get the vaccine you can not give covid to someone. You get the vaccine to protect yourself, not for you to protect other people.[/QUOTE]"It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt" Do yourself a favor and back out quietly. Your misunderstanding and lack of comprehension on the topic is legion.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2576843]Welp, looks like I have COVID. I, and many others, will probably regret this post![/QUOTE]Jajajajaja. You called it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2577383]Exactly. Therefore to brand people without the vaccine with a scarlet letter is absurd. The only way to give it is if you got it. You can get it and give it whether you are vaccinated or not. If you have the vaccine YOUR chances are reduced on the receiving side, but they are the same as those without the vaccine on the giving side. They don't say if you don't get the vaccine you are going to give covid to someone. They don't say if you do get the vaccine you can not give covid to someone. You get the vaccine to protect yourself, not for you to protect other people.[/QUOTE]

Being vaccinated reduces your peak viral load, which means that there is less free virus floating around in your respiratory system, which means that when you cough fewer viral particles will be ejected, which makes it less likely that someone will get infected. In other words, vaccination absolutely makes a difference on both the giving and receiving ends.

The group of people whoare not vaccinated despite having the means and opportunity are, as a whole, partly responsible for the continuation of the pandemic and deaths of thousands. It's so selfish and entitled, there are countless millions in Colombia who would do almost anything to get a vaccine and so many privileged westerners decide not to get it. Sad.

[QUOTE=CapYandel;2576430] I'm a cheap bastard. Prices in Colombia seem very low though.

Any recommendations for someone who wants to date normal women (non p4p) and wants options for cheap sex to supplement normal dating?

[/QUOTE]The best option for cheap sex imo are the casas in el centro. During the daytime hours it's quite safe to visit these places. New Life, Chicas Amigas and Zandaly are all within a few blocks of each other and all are inexpensive. Visit often to find the hot chicas that work one day per week or maybe even less.

[QUOTE=Rextor;2577426]Being vaccinated reduces your peak viral load, which means that there is less free virus floating around in your respiratory system, which means that when you cough fewer viral particles will be ejected, which makes it less likely that someone will get infected. In other words, vaccination absolutely makes a difference on both the giving and receiving ends.

The group of people whoare not vaccinated despite having the means and opportunity are, as a whole, partly responsible for the continuation of the pandemic and deaths of thousands. It's so selfish and entitled, there are countless millions in Colombia who would do almost anything to get a vaccine and so many privileged westerners decide not to get it. Sad.[/QUOTE]Yes, exactly!

I think of getting vaccinated as the same as volunteering to go to war after Pearl Harbor. True patriots went, took a risk, and stood up to a very bad thing for the sake of their country and the world. Other people stayed home, cowered, complained and did nothing to help win WW2.

People getting vaccinated are patriots standing up, taking a small risk, for the greater good. People refusing the vaccine: the selfish ones who stay home and let other people fight the bad guys for them--while pretending they are doing so because they somehow know more than the top scientists who have dedicated their lives to this stuff.

I have had a couple of my Medellin girls comment at how pissed off / frustrated they are that they are desperate for the vaccine--but can't get it, while a bunch of idiot armchair experts with no real knowledge or training refuse to be part of the solution by refusing the vaccine. If you ever wonder why there is so much animosity against America from around the world--even though America, on the whole, does more good than anyone, politicizing the pandemic and refusing the vaccines based on nothing but nonsensical conjecture is a reason why. Too many selfish Americans who just don't understand that we get vaccinated not just for ourselves--but to reduce transmission rates for everyone.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2577383]Exactly. Therefore to brand people without the vaccine with a scarlet letter is absurd. The only way to give it is if you got it. You can get it and give it whether you are vaccinated or not. If you have the vaccine YOUR chances are reduced on the receiving side, but they are the same as those without the vaccine on the giving side. They don't say if you don't get the vaccine you are going to give covid to someone. They don't say if you do get the vaccine you can not give covid to someone. You get the vaccine to protect yourself, not for you to protect other people.[/QUOTE]But if you are vaccinated your ability to transmit the virus is reduced greatly!

Vaccinated people are part of the solution. Non-vaccinated people, right now, are the problem.

Just accept that, own it, and make whatever decision you make knowing that. Its an undeniable fact. And its people's right to be part of the problem since the vaccines aren't mandated.

My hope: All nations and airlines / ships / public transports will only allow properly vaccinated people to pass through their borders or get on their planes / trains / mode of transport. The exceptions only being: provably recently recovered cases or people who can somehow prove immunity to covid-19.

I have been to places where a yellow fever vaccine was mandated or I could not enter. Same should be with covid at all border crossings and public gatherings of more than 50 people.

You have a right not to be vaccinated, and govts. Should have the right to exclude you from public gatherings if you choose to not be vaccinated IMO.

Also, If the US just took 5% of it military budget for 1 year and shifted it to vaccine production and development--the whole planet could probably be vaccinated with a year or 2--and the USA would have a lot more peace if it did this.

Okay, back to chicas: I've had 2 of my Medellin girls ask if they could come stay with me for the next 3 months or so just so they could get vaccinated! True story. 1 chick said if I paid for her flight and supported her where I live for 3 months (how long you have to be where I am to be fully vaccinated) she would arrive with std papers showing she was clean (and I would have to show her my tests) and we could be barebacking anything goes the whole time she is with me.

All she wants: I pay for her expenses, she gets vaccinated-so I help her through the system I am in, and I give her 1000 dollars total for the 3 months--she asked this just so she could pay her bills and help her family while she is gone. Its basically 10 bucks a day plus a 400 dollar flight and I get a hot 28 year old, no kid, gorgeous blond paisa in my bed for 3 months. Yet, I am debating it because it would be hard to hide that from my community and could create other potential dramas, or go sour. Plus, if I want to go somewhere in the next 3 months--I will be locked in with her here. This story gives an example of how desperate and desirous to get vaccinated many Colombianas are. Tis girl just wants to get away from Colombia for some time and have a vacation as well. I may pull the trigger--we are still deciding.

[QUOTE=Rextor;2577426]Being vaccinated reduces your peak viral load, which means that there is less free virus floating around in your respiratory system, which means that when you cough fewer viral particles will be ejected, which makes it less likely that someone will get infected. In other words, vaccination absolutely makes a difference on both the giving and receiving ends.
The group of people whoare not vaccinated despite having the means and opportunity are, as a whole, partly responsible for the continuation of the pandemic and deaths of thousands. It's so selfish and entitled, there are countless millions in Colombia who would do almost anything to get a vaccine and so many privileged westerners decide not to get it. Sad.[/QUOTE]One of the best posts on this forum. Clear, well said, and straight to the point. Kudos for you.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2577383]If you have the vaccine YOUR chances are reduced on the receiving side, but they are the same as those without the vaccine on the giving side.[/QUOTE]Mr. E, on many topics you make very reasonable statements. Trust me: your statement above is 100% wrong instead. It is a medical fact, not an opinion. Saying a triangle has 4 sides is not a matter of opinions. It is wrong, period.

Contributing to spreading wrong facts may have serious consequences, because some people may believe it, just because expressed well, then harm themselves and others.

Wasn't sure where to drop this post. Staying at Energy and wondering if anyone that's stayed here has used the COVID test tent right across the street for US travel requirements. Seems awfully convenient if yes.

I got a couple of E-mails asking me what I meant about scoring with chicas (of course, always at least 18 yo) who had "daddy complexes. " At first I thought the E-mails were being sarcastic, which I always appreciate, but apparently the questions were genuine. As the saying goes, for every one person who asks a question like that, there are ten more who want to know the same thing but are too preoccupied to write.

Jung, who was a giant in the field of psychiatry, probably only second to Freud, coined the phrase Electra Complex for a daughter sexually attracted to her father. I modified this phrase to Electra Complex in Absentia, to account for the large percentage of girls who were raised in a home without a stable father figure. The theory is that subconsciously those girls are yearning for paternal love and approval that they did not get growing up. Once they are old enough to act out, they will subconsciously fulfill that need by having sex with someone old enough to be their father. That is what I meant by there being two kinds of girls in the world, those who like older men, and those who don't. And being half-way home when a girl I just met describes a broken home without a father figure. Next time you are with a adult girl young enough to be your daughter or younger, and you get the feeling she is into you more than you would expect, ask her about here dad. Donuts to dollars, he wasn't around.

The course of events is fairly predictable with a girl like this. Early trip to the bedroom, then nothing in common to talk about the next morning, and the relationship quickly fizzles out due to boredom on both sides, and her realization that is nothing too special about you other than you like pussy. Ostee Out.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2577528]One of the best posts on this forum. Clear, well said, and straight to the point. Kudos for you.[/QUOTE]I agree with Black Page. Compliments to Rextor for a post that stands out for its saneness, tone, and clarity.

This report (something of a longish, but overdue disgorge) follows on (and, I hope, complements) my fairly two recent (also lengthy) posts ("Sex Life of a Geezer" and "An Octogenarian on the Prowl in Medellin" Again, my reporting is based on three extended visits to Medellin, each about a year apart, the latest having just concluded about a month ago. In this post I provide my personal take on the main mongering venues in town: the Mansion, Gustos, the strip clubs, the casas / spas, and two major streetwalker locations—Parque Lleras and El Centro. I hope that this Medellin Magic Mystery Tour will prove helpful to a few prospective first timers and newly arrived mongers--and perhaps of some entertainment value for the more veteran Medellin hands as well. Per my prior post, as an old guy who's only stimulated to get it up a few times a week, I usually am visiting these venues to recruit new candidates for my select, "keeper" rotation of chicas who visit my apartment regularly—rather than as a perpetually horny younger guy, content to secure a satisfactory, one-time lay, and quickly move on to the next. The following survey reflects this perspective.

The Mansion.

For my second visit to Medellin (in early 2020), just out of curiosity (I speak pretty fluent Spanish and already knew my way around the city), I booked the Mansion for several days before moving into the apartment that I had reserved in Laureles. If one can afford it, there is an attractive novelty to staying in what is a combination of a decent, three-star hotel and defacto brothel (albeit, one with independent chicas). And located just off of an up-scale, commercial street, with some quality restaurants, and within (longish but doable) walking distance of the Parque Lleras scene. At least from Thursday through Saturday, I always found a handful of chicas hanging out by the pool from the late morning through afternoon, and from a half dozen to a dozen or more available in the bar during the evening. That said each day I spotted at most one or two girls that I would rate as from the high 7's to an 8 in looks. (See my prior post for how I calibrate such ratings—one man's nine being another man's 7). On arrival, I had one decent chica session for, as I recall, 150 k. Also, on my last night there, I zeroed in on a girl I would rate an 8+, even a low 9 (beautiful pouty, sex-kitten looks and a killer body) who, much against my better judgement, I agreed to pay 250 k–even though I didn't get a positive vibe and it took a prolonged negotiation to get agreement to DFK and BBBJ. (A case of penis erectus overriding one's brain—and it being my last night at the Mansion after having taken a complete pass on the chica selection the two days prior.) In the room, she proved to be a total turn-off—shades of an FDA food inspector, taking out the handy-wipes to clean off my pecker and examine it minutely for disease before deigning to privilege it with her lips.

As others have mentioned, for a first-time visitor to Medellin, especially a non-Spanish speaker, the Mansion, all said and done, is a good bet for those who want to get the lay of the Medellin landscape from the other guys hanging out there (some of whom have been making repeat visits for years and can prove to be interesting company as well—e. G. One morning over breakfast I was somewhat surprised to find that the guy across the table was a law professor from a well-known university who visits the Mansion annually). But recognize that you'll be paying a premium for a decent, but smallish, so-so hotel room. The pool area and bar itself are nothing special in terms of ambiance—yet intimate and cozy in a way that makes it easier to check out (and chat-up) the chicas when compared with the local nightclubs.

Even if you stay elsewhere, you might find it worth your while (e. G. To collect some WhatsApp numbers) to make a visit and fork out the steepish entry-charge (50 k) for non-guests who patronize the bar or pool. But probably best to do so on a Friday or Saturday night.

Gustos.

As suggested by my prior post, Gustos might well be my preferred mongering destination in Medellin if it were not that many, perhaps most all, of the hotter chicas there aspire to operate in the dollar economy. It's the closest thing in Medellin to a popular, disco dance club populated with numerous independent working girls (30 or more on a busy night) available for take-out: usually a couple of 8's by my standard, and several 7's, perhaps somewhat older on average than the girls you'll find in the casas. Once you've paid the entry fee (10,000 pesos? May have gone up to 20 k) and been wrist-banded, no one bugs you to buy drinks—and one can leave, check out the Parque Lleras streetwalker scene just outside (more on that below), and re-enter whenever. Gustos's balcony provides a quiet enough refuge from the mega-decibel music, where one can have a normal conversation with the chica of your choice before deciding on your next move.

I've visited on several occasions, just to window-shop with the hope of obtaining the contact info for a hottie or two, and then later by WhatsApp trying (so far in vain) to obtain a more normal peso rate to visit me during a slow time of the day and week. That said, my visits have been on the early side (10:30 to midnight). Perhaps someone with the stamina to hang out closer to closing time, could negotiate a reasonable, on-the-spot deal with a chica who has had a slow evening up to that point. One night, a woman that I'the chatted up, and who seemed pretty indifferent at the time, sent me an eager WhatsApp at 4 AM promising the moon (the new message ping waking me up from a sound slumber.).

Recently, I did follow up by WhatsApp with one quite sophisticated beauty, a genuine 9 rarity, who responded from a luxury resort in Cancun, Mexico (sexy photo with yachts in the background). For the first time I decided to postpone discussing price till the lady (when back in Medellin) came to my place, on the bet that she might be more inclined to agree on a reasonable rate once she'the invested the effort to visit me. However, after some flirtatious back and forth on WhatsApp, confirming GFE, and setting a date for a get-together, she emailed me "Tú vas a pagarme 300 dolares? And stuck to it. So much for that. But I haven't given up, and most likely will try the Gustos scene again on my return to Medellin.

The Strip Clubs.

Although I don't particularly enjoy hanging out in these clip joints, they do lend themselves to trolling for new talent—be it by spotting a standout on the strip pole runway, by chatting over a drink, by enjoying a lap dance, or by springing for a FS "trial-run" session on the premises. I met three of my latest "Keeper" rotation at strip clubs, two at Luna Lunera and one at Conejitos in El Centro. If I'm inclined to session in the club, and just feeling cheap, I find that I can, first, have a leisurely chat with a targeted lady without buying her a drink by saying that I'd rather give her a generous propina (tip) if we have "buena química / trato de novia (GFE) en la cama".

At present the two priciest clubs (La Isla and Fase II), offer by far the largest and best quality chica selection (20 to 30 or so at prime times; almost always a few 8's; occasionally a 9), though sometimes I've left each of these clubs without having spotted any babe worth approaching. I've had a couple of quite good sessions at La Isla (300 k for 40 minutes if I recall) but no luck in negotiating acceptable terms for a follow-up visit to my place. (Disclosure: I'm on the short side, and generally will take a pass on the gorgeous (5'10 and over) amazon. So I may well be overlooking a number of otherwise, super-hot chicks as a result—and somewhat underestimating the prevalence of 8's and 9's.)

Two downsides of all the clubs for me: the music level poses a challenge to having a decent conversation (especially for a somewhat hearing-impaired geezer like myself), and, depending on the room configuration and the inclination of the girls to circulate, I find there's some difficulty of getting a good look at all the talent. In similar clubs in Mexico, Costa Rica, El Salvador, and Mexico, a waiter will arrange a casa style line-up at your table, and / or, every half-hour or so, all the chicas will be herded onto stage center for a gyrating dance number intended to encourage the customers to each make a selection. I imagine that in the Medellin clubs one could request a personal line-up review, but I've never had one volunteered and I've never asked for or witnessed one. The waiters do, of course, offer to bring individual chicas to your table (or, without being asked, will shepherd one or two girls over for your perusal). And, in some clubs, at least a number of the girls will wander from table to table to try to gin up business. But as often as not, many stay seated on the far side of the room or in darkened corners of the club where it's hard to inspect the goods.

I will sometimes meander about the premises to get a closer look at the ladies, but (except when a trip to the men's room provides a pretext for such a tour) one often feels self-conscious roaming around given that the other male clients all remain rooted to their tables. Interestingly, La Isla on a busy night (with large table groupings mingling and dancing in the aisles), lends itself better than the other clubs to circling the room inconspicuously and surveying from close up all the ladies available. As an anecdotal aside: on two evenings at La Isla during curfew-free, late February / early March, I witnessed several high-rollers (sad to say, fellow USA gringos) standing on a table and sprinkling dozens of peso notes in the air as a swarm of working-girls crawled after them on the floor—a truly cringe-worthy scene.

The two major, mid-level clubs (Luna Lunera, nd Grill San Diego) have cut their floor areas by more than half (compared to when I visited them in early 2020, pre-pandemic days). Each had a relatively small selection (8 to 15 chicas) on my visits this year (when they still remained open late evenings prior to the April curfews). In the case of San Diego, if one decides to bed one of the girls, one now has to take a taxi to an apartment several blocks away rather than sessioning on the premises. Half-hour to one-hour sessions are a good deal cheaper at these two clubs when compared with Fase II and La Isla (at Luna Lunera I paid 170 for half an hour). However, they are just about as expensive as the larger, and tonier clubs if one only wants to hang out and perhaps buy a copa or two for the ladies. Grill San Diego, to my annoyance, in addition to an entry charge, insists that you fork out 30 k pesos for a three-beer minimum. At both the high and mid-level strip clubs, some girls have been unwilling to provide DFK / BBBJ even for an up charge or tip; others have agreed for 50 k, but have given me the impression that doing so is frowned upon by the management.

One can also make the rounds of a number of smaller and seedier strip joints in El Centro including (from West to East), Taberna Hilton, Grill Occidental, Conejitos (Playmates Bar Show), and, the. Side-by-side, Clubs Maracaibo, and Barre Ejecutiva. As I recall, there's no entry charge at any of the above and drinks (including copas for the ladies) are quite cheap. All have had at least some chica selection when I've dropped in late afternoons, Conjitos being the most populated and by far the liveliest. With the exception of meeting my Venezuelan "keeper" at Conejitos (a one-time fluke? Or the promise of other hidden gems just waiting to be found? I personally have never been super turned on by any of the chicas in these El Centro clubs. (In early 2020 I paid my Venezuelan 80 k for a half hour, test -drive in an upstairs room, plus a propina for BBBJ) I've felt comfortable visiting Conejitos at night if dropped off by taxi at the door. A year or so ago I recall walking late after dark a few deserted blocks from there to Club Maracaibo / Barre Ejecutiva and back again, but, based on the more recent BM advise on this thread, I might abstain from doing so in the future.

In all the clubs, be they up-scale or low-brow, the strippers circulate for tips after performing, so be prepared with a goodly supply of small (1 or 2 k) bills. (To my amusement, on a couple of occasions at Fase II when I've paid for the entry fee or a beer with a 50 k bill, I've received my change in the form of a thick wad of 2,000 pesos notes—the management's not so subtle encouragement for one to take care of the help.) Some of the clubs have unmetered cars available if you don't want to wait for an Uber or Didi when heading home, but be sure you know the normal taxi rate for your trip and agree up front on the price.

Parque Lleras Street Walkers.

Whenever I happen to visit Gustos or to be in Poblado late afternoon or evening for some other reason, I check out the Parque Lleras street walking talent—mostly concentrated on the west side of the park, just across the road from the Gustos entrance —though some occasionally I've found working girls on the benches of the park's interior, on the downhill side of the park, and on the side-street leading to Calle 10. Usually only a few if any working girls will appear before 9 or 10 PM. As noted in my prior post, I did find Stefani, now one of my rotating "keepers", strolling park-side: a euro-looking, honey blond, by far the best-looking woman I've seen plying her trade on the street in Medellin. Another street walker whom I had approached a few minutes before spotting Stefani, had asked for $200 USD. And wouldn't budge. Still stunned by sticker shock, when Stefani only requested 200 k pesos with no upcharge for DFK / BBBJ, I accepted even though I normally would have bargained for 150. Caddy-corner to Gustos on the south side of the park is a usually crowded disco with seemingly much younger chicas than those that pay the cover to enter Gustos, many hanging around outside the entrance as well. I don't think there are many (if any) working girls there, but a younger guy with some game and passable Spanish might score.

The Casas and Spas.

Once or twice monthly, I like to make the rounds of the large concentration of bargain-basement casas located to the east and north-east of Plaza Botero and Parque Bolivar and a 10 to 15 minute walk east / south-east of the Prado Metro. I usually schedule my forays for late morning, with the expectation that each establishment's full complement of chicas will have shown up by then and still be feeling relatively fresh, while the peak-hour for clients likely occurs from lunch-time onward.

This spring I also made a couple of visits, each, to two of the more upscale spas convenient to my apartment in Laureles—Spa Fantasias Energy (a short walk from the Estadio Metro and across to the far side of the Unidad Deportiva (Sports Complex) Atanasio Giraudot, and Eros Spa (anshort taxi drive away). Back in early 2020 I also checked out (several times each) two smaller casas each within just two blocks of the San Peter Apartments (one on Calle 42 and the other on Carrera 70 A). At the time, I took a pass on the chica selection and I think they have since both closed.

For comprehensive listings of the casa / spa options, it's worth reposting Mojo Bandit's recent reminder that "there is a thread that can be found in the User Blog section of the Colombia Forum that is called "Medellin Map and List" and within this forum are two great tools the "Medellin Map" and the "Medellin Chica List". Also, the "adultsearch" website provides a pretty comprehensive "erotic massage parlor" listing (see: [URL]https://colombia.adultsearch.com/medellin/erotic-massage-parlor[/URL]).

Here is my take on take on some of the variables to consider when compiling your personal short-list of best-bet, Medellin casas:

Chica Selection—Quantity and Quality.

By my somewhat tough grading scale (again, see my prior post), with only one exception, I've never found a beauty rating a 9, let alone a ten, at any of the spas including two visits to Loutrons. The one exception, back in early 2020, a very personable, Julie Christie look-alike blond at Fantasias Energy who, sad to say, adamantly refused to offer BBBJ or DFK, despite a generous propina offer. I still have lingering regrets at having taken a pass. I've found Fantasias Energy to be the most reliable casa in terms of size and quality of lineup, with Spa Eros not too far behind. During my two (one year-apart) visits to Loutrons, only three or four chicas were working, all 7's or 8's, albeit seemingly in their late 20's.

On the other hand, at any of the casas with a decent sized line-up the day of your visit (say eight or more working girls) there is a good shot (but no guarantee) of finding an 8 or two, and almost for sure a seven who radiates some genuine good nature, latina vitality and sexuality, with the promise of an enjoyable romp in the sack. When checking out the casa circuit just east / northeast of El Centro, I always start at New Life, since it offers by far the largest chica selection (often a dozen or more)—but I've either left immediately on finding it too crowded with other guys (even at 10:30 AM), or I simply haven't found anyone in the line-up to my taste. However, after striking out at New Life, I've had good GFE sex with chicas at several nearby casas (Dulce Compañias, Club Amigas Sexy, and Zandalay--where I found one addition to my visiting, keeper rotation this year). Aiffe, just a block and a half from New Life, during my two recent visits, had a half-dozen or more working girls, but none rating more than a 5 to 6 at best.

On the other hand, I can recall at least two times during my stay this year of having visited most all of the above casas during a single day, and not finding anyone to my "keeper" potential liking to take to a room for a test drive. NOTE: When I toured the New Life to Zandalay circuit in March / early April, casas Divini, Safari, Bar Celona de Masajes, Case de Piedra (Linda Chicas) all were padlocked; Pamelas, where I had some good sex in 2020, has closed altogether (or moved, perhaps).

Pricing, Including Upcharges.

In the lower-end casas, pricing typically ranges from about 50 k for a half-hour to 90 k for an hour. Eros, at 70 k per hour, something of a bargain, given its somewhat more upscale location and chica quality. Fantasias Energy's pricing (140 k / hour) is comparable to that of Luna Lunera / Grill San Diego, Loutron's pricing is comparable to Las Islas / Fase Dos (300 k plus).

Two of the casas I've visited have their price lists posted on a wall-New Life in the reception area, and Eros Spa, in the room, with the list including up-charges for extras such as BBBC for 30 k and, surprisingly, for anal as well. At even some of the bargain casas (e. G. Zandalay's) I've been quoted seemingly fixed-by the house upcharges of 50 k each for BBBJ and DFK, more than doubling the base session cost. At Fantasias Energy, the same. However, at other casas (Amigas Sexy and Dulce Campañia) chicas have delivered GFE (including "sexo sin condóm") for the promise of an unspecified, but generous propina, and have been happy with 20 or 30 k—and perhaps would have provide the same GFE service without any tip having been offered. During my two Loutron visits I walked out on finding that my chosen chica refused DFK / BBBJ on any terms—perhaps per a strict house policy.

Mode of Presentation—a variable which may matter to some mongers.

The casas have two styles of presenting their chica selection to clients. In most, the ladies are paraded out one at a time for your inspection, either all queued up in the viewing area or each waiting out of sight for her turn to twirl in front of you and flash some boob for your inspection.

With ten or more chicas in the line-up, you have to pay attention to remember the name of your favorite, especially if you find yourself changing your mind several times as the parade progresses. At Spa Fantasias Energy, the chicas sport matching chemises, and, as an aid to aging memories, each girl has a large number sewn onto her outfit—a practice I recall New Life as having begun as well.

At some others (notably Eros Spa) the ladies are crowded before you all together at the same time, so you have to make your selection while the ones that you have rejected look on, a procedure I find to be somewhat awkward (flash back to teen-age memories of how we used to choose teams for pick-up basketball).

At Loutrons and Fantasias Energy you are seated in a private viewing area; New Life has a few semi-private booths as part of the entry seating area. In all the other casas you view the chicas and make your selection in a common reception room. I only will session with chicas after having the chance to chat, both to confirm a sympathetic vibe and the availability of threshold GFE (by my definition, to include DFK and BBBJ). I've always found that the casa's mamasan (or maître de) will always let me interview my selected chica someplace reasonably private before agreeing to take her to a room. If you decide to leave without booking a session, many, if most casas, have a modest (5 k) viewing charge if you haven't purchased a drink.

Amenities and cleanliness.

As mentioned by another poster recently, most all the casas, including those at the lowest end, are reasonably clean (including towels, sheets, showers—some surprisingly hot ones in joints where you'the least expect it)—compared with what you may have experienced in other Latin American countries. New Life and Eros Spa actually require that you to take a shower at the beginning of the session. Of the casas on the east / northeast of El Centro circuit, New Life and Zandalay have the best physical set ups, albeit still fairly barebones. (As I recall, at Zandlay. A large aquarium graces its reception area.) Most lack music in the rooms (for me a negative--I often enjoy launching a chica session by having her dance for my pleasure and twerk on my lap.) Unlike most Love Motels, as far as I can recall, none of the casa rooms have TVs with porn channels. Fantasias Energy occupies a nicely furnished townhouse on prosperous commercial strip; Eros Spa can be found on the third floor of a modern, mid-rise building with a security guard at ground level. Loutron (located in a mansion well to the southeast of Poblado, by some reports, a former farm house once owned by Pablo Escobar), even if outside your price range preference, may be worth one visit, if only to check-out t (to the best of my knowledge) the one casa in Medellin with more of the feel of a truly, upscale brothel.

El Centro Streetwalker And Bar Scene.

More or less once, every two or three weeks during my Medellin stays, I have visited el Centro in mid to late afternoon, usually making at least a couple of tours that combine a loop around the Vera Cruz church block, a saunter back through Plaza Botero itself, and then a lap on the north side of DeGreiff / Raudaul—most often interspersed with a beer or Gatorade in Conejitos. I've chatted up a few streetwalkers while making these rounds, but have yet to pull the trigger--or spotted any no-doubt-about-it, potential "keeper" material. (I can visualize the hardcore El Centro rats rolling their eyes as they read this.) A couple of times I've spotted a quite, one-time-doable young lady by my standards, but have passed on the hopes of spotting someone more tempting, and then, on quickly doubling back have found that my choice has already taken off with another client. You definitely have to be prepared to strike fast with any relatively attractive girl who strikes your fancy.

In addition to Plaza Botero itself, the best-looking prospects that I've spotted in El Centro have been hanging out right at the NW corner of Calle 51 and Carrera 53, (aka Avenida Cundunamarca; a mystery why that corner in particular), and, especially, in two of the larger bars on the left side of the block of Carrera 53 just north of DeGreiff and the Taberna Hilton club. These bars are open to the street thereby giving you a pretty good view of the chicas and patrons inside—during my latest tours usually up to 15 or so quite young (some underage?) looking girls and only two or three male customers. By contrast, I've found only a bottom-of-the barrel chica selection in the other bars on DeGrieff and side blocks to the north (including Taberna Hilton, itself, as well as Grill Ocidental. And Taberna Victoria). Behind the Veracruz Church, the block on Carrera 53 between Calles 51 and 52 (to me the true El Centro ground zero) has a much raunchier feel, both on its jostling with low-life side-walks, and in the elbow-to-elbow, hole-in-the wall bars, each with a high ratio of male drinkers to putas (generally looking much the worse for wear than in the Raadaul area).

Overall, I haven't given up on finding the hidden gems that others on this thread claim to have snatched from the mean streets of El Centro (especially while the large infusions of Vennie refugees continue to refresh the ranks)–and, from time to time, just enjoy the titillating (sex-is-in-the-air) seediness of the bar / streetwalker scene itself.

A Final Note on Short-term Hotels and Love Motels.

In Medellin I've never used any of the love motels typical of most Latin American Cities, (which cater especially to the many young adults still living at home and needing a discrete place to tryst with their novias), but many options can be found by a quick Google search. Other BM posters have recommended a number of short-term hotels in El Centro (typically about 15 k for a room). When the San Peter Apartments refused to accept my Venezuelan's ID ("cedula" she and I tried out three or so hotels just a block or two away that had no trouble with her document and rented out quite decent (hot showers, stereo music, porn TV), but quite cramped rooms for 30 k short-term (in Spanish, "habitación occasional" o "a corto plazo" We later settled on the Hotel Golden Suites, a ten minute walk away on Avenida Nutibara which offers quite generous sized rooms, also 30 k for up to 3 hours (with a discount card that I requested after each visit).

This concludes my brain-dump of a high-road / low-road tour of the varied mongering venues in Medellin. For any newcomer who's had the patience to wade through the above verbiage, I hope that you found some info of help in leading you to your own Paisa Pussy-Promised Land, no matter how you may personally rock and roll.

[QUOTE=CapYandel;2577208]Isn't Argentina pretty great now with the dollar blue exchange rate?

You can get escorts for $10-$20 and top tier ones for $80-$100 pretty much.[/QUOTE]Yes, the dollar is very strong in Argentina.

That's the good.

The tough part is, most or all of the PFP has gone underground, ever since the "cleansing" several years back.

This leads to lots of deception, fakes, etc.

I have a go to lady, who helps me find what I want, and she did me right again this trip.

However, I miss the clubs and brothels of the past in BA.

It's a shame really, used to rock!

[QUOTE=Rextor;2577426]Being vaccinated reduces your peak viral load, which means that there is less free virus floating around in your respiratory system, which means that when you cough fewer viral particles will be ejected, which makes it less likely that someone will get infected. In other words, vaccination absolutely makes a difference on both the giving and receiving ends.

The group of people whoare not vaccinated despite having the means and opportunity are, as a whole, partly responsible for the continuation of the pandemic and deaths of thousands. It's so selfish and entitled, there are countless millions in Colombia who would do almost anything to get a vaccine and so many privileged westerners decide not to get it. Sad.[/QUOTE]There is actually a much more quickly spread, more deadly pandemic associated with COVID. It has reached Black Death level infection in places like the US and Brazil. It's called IGNORANCE. None of this is new science. We've known about quarantining and masks since the 14th Century, if not before. We've eradicated smallpox and nearly eradicated polio, as well as a number of other historically devastating diseases. The only bright side possible among the anti-vax stupidity that pervades a good part of this world is the fact that in the US the only people currently getting sick and dying from COVID are the 30% not vaccinated.

Bottom line? If you have access to the vaccine, GET IT, IDIOT!! Here's hoping other nations follow the lead of the US and others by sending unneeded vaccines to places like Colombia (2. 5 million vaccines delivered from the US to Colombia within the last week) so all of us can benefit from watching a section of the population kick the bucket as a result of their own stupidity. Let's hear it for Charles Darwin!!

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2577528]One of the best posts on this forum. Clear, well said, and straight to the point. Kudos for you.

Mr. E, on many topics you make very reasonable statements. Trust me: your statement above is 100% wrong instead. It is a medical fact, not an opinion. Saying a triangle has 4 sides is not a matter of opinions. It is wrong, period.

Contributing to spreading wrong facts may have serious consequences, because some people may believe it, just because expressed well, then harm themselves and others.[/QUOTE]Well said, sir.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2577204]No, I have not been vaxed. Haven't been home since New Year, and not really interested in the vax, anyway. One buddy has been vaxed, and both have had COVID. One got it a year ago, so he's not 100% confident, and doesn't want to spend his vacation quarantined, but it sounds like he's going to roll the dice.

I woke up today feeling fine. Congestion has improved, and fatigue is gone.

Based on JjBee62's terrible experience and information, it seems any test I do in the next 24 hours would come back positive. Thus, maybe I need to just make the decision based on how I feel. I'm not trying to be an asshole, but if I feel 100% in the morning, and my buddies have no worries. I'll probably consider going out. What could go wrong? Last time I was excited to go out in Medellin, I spent two days and $1800 replacing an iPhone!

Thanks to all for the comments, advice, & info. Not something I want to spend a half a day researching on Google![/QUOTE]Nobody got their shot (s) a year ago. They didn't even have one for use until late Fall. What could go wrong? You're stupid ass could transmit to someone's mom or grandma who DOES die of it. Here's to herd immunity and it's accompanying attrition among the 3%ers.

[QUOTE=TheBMan;2577388]The truth is nobody knows anything yet. Just like they said you can get it easily from surfaces which turned out to be bunk. Only n95 can help you. But wait medical staff are running out so yea, those cloth masks work fine too. Oh BTW we found out it's difficult to get it from surface contact. And on and on. Let people make their own choices on what they put in their body. You got the vaccine so you're safe right? I'm 39,smoke, drink, treat my body like a dumpster and have had colds worse than covid. If you want to be the Guinea pig to a rushed vaccine that would normally take years to be studied and approved then by all means do you, but I'll wait it out.[/QUOTE]Do as you wish, but do it based on facts, not myths. The vaccines weren't "rushed." We came with a ten year head start on MRNA studies. We've also developed ways to conduct clinical trials more rapidly, and responses from the public with participation in the same has been huge and unprecedented.

[URL]https://www.uab.edu/news/youcanuse/item/11771-debunking-the-myths-about-the-covid-19-vaccine[/URL]

P.S. We do know something about transmission and prevention of the same, through studies and experience as the pandemic has progressed, as is common with science, so to say that "nobody knows anything yet" is simply incorrect.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2577572]...What could go wrong? ...[/QUOTE]May I humbly add to that? This is an RNA virus, which mutates at an alarming rate. A coupla' three weeks ago, the Republicans were raging against "gain of function" experiments in different virology labs. We are currently participating in a massive, worldwide gain of function experiment, dwarfing anything that ever happened in any lab. The delta variant is not that virulent; however, the epsilon, zeta or the omega could be. The only way we have to get back to normal is to crush the virus to zero.

Thanks for the thorough report.

[QUOTE=TheBMan;2577388]The truth is nobody knows anything yet. Just like they said you can get it easily from surfaces which turned out to be bunk. Only n95 can help you. But wait medical staff are running out so yea, those cloth masks work fine too. Oh BTW we found out it's difficult to get it from surface contact. And on and on. Let people make their own choices on what they put in their body. You got the vaccine so you're safe right? I'm 39,smoke, drink, treat my body like a dumpster and have had colds worse than covid. If you want to be the Guinea pig to a rushed vaccine that would normally take years to be studied and approved then by all means do you, but I'll wait it out.[/QUOTE]So, you prefer to do nothing at all than take what is a tiny risk?

I don't fully trust the vaccine, but I am no medial expert so if they say it is fine then my opinion counts for nothing. I would rather take a slightly dodgy vaccine that do F all.

Just let everyone else get the vaccine then because that will benefit you. Selfish.

If our ancestors hadn't taken risks with vaccines that they new very little about, we'd probably all be dead by now. But it's OK. Let everyone else put themselves out. Be a selfish TW at T.

[QUOTE=TheBMan;2577388]The truth is nobody knows anything yet. I'm 39, smoke, drink, treat my body like a dumpster[/QUOTE]Thanks for the perfect set-up. "Nobody knows anything"? That is a garbage can statement. At least you're consistent.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2577595]May I humbly add to that? This is an RNA virus, which mutates at an alarming rate. A coupla' three weeks ago, the Republicans were raging against "gain of function" experiments in different virology labs. We are currently participating in a massive, worldwide gain of function experiment, dwarfing anything that ever happened in any lab. The delta variant is not that virulent; however, the epsilon, zeta or the omega could be. The only way we have to get back to normal is to crush the virus to zero.[/QUOTE]Absolutely- thanks for adding that. It's just insanity not to get the vaccine without any rational explanation for avoiding it.

[QUOTE=TheBMan;2577388]The truth is nobody knows anything yet. Just like they said you can get it easily from surfaces which turned out to be bunk. Only n95 can help you. But wait medical staff are running out so yea, those cloth masks work fine too. Oh BTW we found out it's difficult to get it from surface contact. And on and on. Let people make their own choices on what they put in their body. You got the vaccine so you're safe right? I'm 39,smoke, drink, treat my body like a dumpster and have had colds worse than covid. If you want to be the Guinea pig to a rushed vaccine that would normally take years to be studied and approved then by all means do you, but I'll wait it out.[/QUOTE]Absolute rubbish. Thanks for such a textbook exhibition of Dunning Kruger.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2577641]It's just insanity not to get the vaccine without any rational explanation for avoiding it.[/QUOTE]That may well be true, but after countless women in multiple cities of 9 countries multiple times, I am still negative as of 2 hours ago. And remember that I was trolling centro and seen no parts of Poblado.

Jj got the vaccine, went to 1 city, had lunch with 3 chicks, and turned up positive. What went wrong?

[QUOTE=PhilLanderr;2577534]Wasn't sure where to drop this post. Staying at Energy and wondering if anyone that's stayed here has used the COVID test tent right across the street for US travel requirements. Seems awfully convenient if yes.[/QUOTE]I have used it twice great service and quick results.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2577643]Absolute rubbish. Thanks for such a textbook exhibition of Dunning Kruger.[/QUOTE]Welcome doc.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2577641]It's just insanity not to get the vaccine without any rational explanation for avoiding it.[/QUOTE]It could be true but not necessarily. Insanity is a subset of irrationality but it's not the same thing. .

[QUOTE=Mike6911;2577618]If our ancestors hadn't taken risks with vaccines that they new very little about, we'd probably all be dead by now. But it's OK. Let everyone else put themselves out. Be a selfish TW at T.[/QUOTE]Which disease / virus do you think would have wiped out the human race if we had not been vaccinated? I must have missed that one. .

On the subject of selfishness. What do you think about the fact that the majority of people around the world are likely to remain unvaccinated. And that the virus is likely to mutate, meaning that those people that are want vaxxes are likely to need a new one every XX months / years? When you factor those issues in, do you think its selfish really? Seems to me like there is a large slice of exploitation in this.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2577682]Which disease / virus do you think would have wiped out the human race if we had not been vaccinated? I must have missed that one[/QUOTE]Indeed! You missed smallpox and poliomyelitis, because you ancestors were vaccinated.
Not enough to wipe out the human race, but if you get smallpox you regret you did not get the shot. (I am not sure you know poliomyelitis and its effects. It's a difficult word).

In Medellin, this is all too real. I would say most of my chicas with whom I click (and with whom I am likely to repeat) have daddy issues. And to me, I am their daddy. For some of them, I make them call me papi. I am 55, so it works. These girls want to feel some affection (fake love) that they never had. Some of them are willing to do things that others are not. They seem to crave the attention of an older male. And I find that they are usually very reasonable with their price. Because for them, it's about money, but also about getting something they always wanted but never had. The attention of an older man.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2577541]Jung, who was a giant in the field of psychiatry, probably only second to Freud, coined the phrase Electra Complex for a daughter sexually attracted to her father. I modified this phrase to Electra Complex in Absentia, to account for the large percentage of girls who were raised in a home without a stable father figure. The theory is that subconsciously those girls are yearning for paternal love and approval that they did not get growing up. Once they are old enough to act out, they will subconsciously fulfill that need by having sex with someone old enough to be their father. That is what I meant by there being two kinds of girls in the world, those who like older men, and those who don't. And being half-way home when a girl I just met describes a broken home without a father figure. Next time you are with a adult girl young enough to be your daughter or younger, and you get the feeling she is into you more than you would expect, ask her about here dad. Donuts to dollars, he wasn't around.

The course of events is fairly predictable with a girl like this. Early trip to the bedroom, then nothing in common to talk about the next morning, and the relationship quickly fizzles out due to boredom on both sides, and her realization that is nothing too special about you other than you like pussy. Ostee Out.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2577548]This report (something of a longish, but overdue disgorge) follows on (and, I hope, complements) my fairly two recent (also lengthy) posts ("Sex Life of a Geezer" and "An Octogenarian on the Prowl in Medellin"
[/QUOTE]Thank you Nil for an extensive beautifully written report. I can imagine how much time it must have taken to write all this in an organized fashion. I have visited Medellin several times and still found your report informative.

How am I selfish and entitled for not getting the vaccine? Currently, there are only so many to go around (not enough). For now I choose to let another have my dose and I will get mine later. So in reality I may save another life and thus I am a super hero. Many health care professionals are scared to get the vaccine. That should make you wonder why.

Some perspective:

Global freezing in the 1970's. Yeah, go look it up. Global heating in the 2020's. 50 years is a mere nanosecond in perspective of the planet's life time. But I agree with it if you simple consider how much of the planet we build and pave over every minute of the day. Remember AIDS in the 1980's? Based on all the scientific data half the planet was going to die. Hmmm. That did not happen.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2577687]Indeed! You missed smallpox and poliomyelitis, because you ancestors were vaccinated.
Not enough to wipe out the human race, but if you get smallpox you regret you did not get the shot.[/QUOTE]Yes I missed those bcos they didn't meet the criteria for a disease / virus that would wipe out eh human race, which was the claim. Sure, you can say it is just rhetorical flourish to advance an argument, but others would say its a flat out lie on a very hot topic.

Plenty of people are quick to push vax as if its a solution. Many push it as if its the only solution. And many criticise and insult others who have not caved in to the mainstream vax solution. But if you consider the long term outcome in trying to vax against a virus that rapidly mutates, and the disgusting patent laws that are condemning hundreds of thousands of people to death around the world. I must say its not a solution that I want to support, without even considering my own moral resistance to vivisection.

Since I've been diagnosed on this board with Dunning Krueger syndrome, along with others, I'm having difficulty comprehending what I have been observing over the last four days being at ground zero most days from about 10 AM until 7 PM. Before the arrival of the Venezuelans, there were few if any girls out working in the mornings, now there's quite a few out at 10 AM, and primarily Venezuelans.

On Tuesday I went with one of my new spinners, a Colombiana, who has only been working for three months in El Centro. Compared to all the other girls working the streets I would peg her at in the lower bracket of the upper third of Chicas beauty wise working the streets, when I took her, she was happy, but very sad telling me how hard it was to get clients, and how the Venezuelans where driving the prices down. She also said that she has noticed a large increase in the amount of girls working over the last three months which has also been noticed by others as evidenced by the herds and groupies of girls, primarily the Venezuelans.

On Wednesday at 5 PM there were lots of girls out, so I decided to closely observe which girls were getting pulled, and whom was pulling them. So of course I observed the hotter Chicas getting pulled, and the "pullers" where primarily guys over forty. There are so many girls out working, and what would also appear to be an equal amount of loser boyfriends out as well. I see so many of these girls walking around with their loser boyfriends.

It's obvious that there are no guys the same ages as the girls working pulling them, but only older guys, yet the percentage of older guys physically out on the streets seems to be very low.

I've also noticed an increased degree of desperation with the girls working the streets, more so than months ago, and before the Pandemic, and the lower tier girls are struggling due to the invasion of the Venezuelans.

So perhaps others here have a "take" on El Centro, and perhaps can better articulate what I am observing, as it just is getting more and more packed with girls, and mongers as well, but not in the same proportion. It's mind boggling with so many available, and seems that a lot of prettier ones have been showing up lately compared to six months ago. I used to comment on all the Venezuelan beached whales I would observe, and now that has changed as well.

So I'm curious what others think about what I have been observing.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2577652]That may well be true, but after countless women in multiple cities of 9 countries multiple times, I am still negative as of 2 hours ago. And remember that I was trolling centro and seen no parts of Poblado.

Jj got the vaccine, went to 1 city, had lunch with 3 chicks, and turned up positive. What went wrong?[/QUOTE]Your in the minority regarding not getting vaccinated, and you may have already been infected and didn't know it.

Almost seems like your bragging about not being vaccinated, going with multiple women in numerous Countries, yet not getting infected, at least yet.

I wouldn't advise anyone to come to Colombia that hasn't been vaccinated.

And nobody knows, including JB2 where he got infected as he reported.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2577762]Yes I missed those bcos they didn't meet the criteria for a disease / virus that would wipe out eh human race, which was. I must say its not a solution that I want to support, without even considering my own moral resistance to vivisection.[/QUOTE]There is no way to argue with stupidity. You prove this here. Bull dozing a more constructive solution. IMHO you should not be able to even get on a plane.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2577762]Y...Plenty of people are quick to push vax as if its a solution. Many push it as if its the only solution. And many criticise and insult others who have not caved in to the mainstream vax solution. But if you consider the long term outcome in trying to vax against a virus that rapidly mutates, and the disgusting patent laws that are condemning hundreds of thousands of people to death around the world. I must say its not a solution that I want to support, without even considering my own moral resistance to vivisection.[/QUOTE]Here's a reason:

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/07/us/maryland-unvaccinated-covid-deaths/index.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=JustTK;2577762] trying to vax against a virus that rapidly mutates, .[/QUOTE]It is only mutating in people that are not vaccinated. That is the point. The unvaccinated are mutation factories for the virus, the more it duplicates in unvaccinated people the more it knows how better to survive and its offspring are armed with new weapons, in vaccinated people it does not multiple enough for that learning process to take place.

This is from the Journal of the American Medical Association [URL]https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2777785[/URL].

"One reason SARS-CoV-2 is throwing out variants and will continue to do so is because relatively few people globally have been vaccinated, Norman Baylor, PhD, a former director of the FDA's Office of Vaccines Research and Review, noted in an interview. "This virus is like, 'Yep, I've got plenty of people I can infect, and the more I replicate, the more I can mutate, Baylor said. ".

[URL]https://www.dhakatribune.com/health/coronavirus/2021/07/03/experts-unvaccinated-people-raise-risk-of-covid-19-variants[/URL]

[URL]https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article251191029.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/covid19-varients/67-811a368a-6d84-4d9a-beb4-02e4a1c1ab32[/URL]

Just a friendly reminder to everyone. Medellin to the airport should cost 80 mil pesos. I got a taxi from new life to the airport and the taxi driver recognized me from new life. About 5 minutes into the ride he starts talking about tolls. He tries to tell me it costs more to go to the airport than come from it, and a bunch of other lies. He asks me for 100 mil pesos plus 25 each way for toll. I called him out and said every time I'm here they charge me 80 mil and there's a freaking sign in every taxi to never pay more than 80 mil pesos without paying toll. I notice there's no sign in his taxi. I ask to get out immediately. Then he tells me he works at new life and he always sees me take up multiple girls and he is talking about pesos not dollars. I visit new life regularly and make visits to Medellin regularly. I know if he works at new life he is very new. I call him out on his shit again and offer him 100 mil pesos because I usually tip a lot more for taxis to and from the airport. He accepts but keeps talking and I just ignore him on the rest of the ride.

I messaged new life about him and hopefully he got fired but just in case. He is a bald and speaks a decent amount of English. If he still works at new life watch out. He might try to charge a fake fees or some other scammy shit. Remember taxi rides to and from the airport are 80 mil pesos.

This is how prices creep up. Scams and people thinking they can get away with it. Then one day prices are the same as in the states. I regret offering him 100 mil pesos as he will think he can get away with more when he tries to scam people.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2577778]There is no way to argue with stupidity. You prove this here. Bull dozing a more constructive solution. IMHO you should not be able to even get on a plane.[/QUOTE]Unfortunatyely the stupidity is all yours, in buying in to a solution that can not possibly work, then condemning others that don't buy in to your shortsightedness.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2577785]Here's a reason:
[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/07/us/maryland-unvaccinated-covid-deaths/index.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Yes I don't doubt it. The vaccine will help those that have been vaccinated and help prevent them from dying from the current variants of COVID. As would being in good health, as would following a healthy diet (research shows 73% improvement in covid outcomes), as would not being old, living in a cave, never travelling again, wearing a mask. None of it is a guarantee but there are quite a few things one can do to improve the outcome.

But the issue is with the politics around world health. You can vax 100% of people in USA but if you ignore than 7 billion people living elsewhere, you cannot eradicate a virus unless you vax everyone at the same time. This is not even a goal of the rich countries. They just want to make money from the patents. So the virus will mutate and the vax will no longer work, and the political decisions will come back and bite the rich countries in the arse. All I can see is a future of constant border / restrictions / annual vaxxes for the rich and death for the poor. That's not a utopia I am willing to buy in to.

I am also anti-vivisection, which is smthg no one even considers. Plus I follow a healthy diet, thus giving me 73% extra protection according to studies. That's almost as good as a vax! Haha.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2577839]It is only mutating in people that are not vaccinated. That is the point. The unvaccinated are mutation factories for the virus, the more it duplicates in unvaccinated people the more it knows how better to survive and its offspring are armed with new weapons, in vaccinated people it does not multiple enough for that learning process to take place.

"One reason SARS-CoV-2 is throwing out variants and will continue to do so is because relatively few people globally have been vaccinated, Norman Baylor, PhD, a former director of the FDA's Office of Vaccines Research and Review, noted in an interview. "This virus is like, 'Yep, I've got plenty of people I can infect, and the more I replicate, the more I can mutate, Baylor said. ".[/QUOTE]Again, I don't doubt that. I am not anti-science at all. But I am not putting 2 and 2 together to make 6. .

As I mentioned in a previous post, and as the people mention in your quotes, there are not enough people vaxd to prevent mutation. And since that is not even a serious goal of the international community, it will never be achieved. So we have a bunch of selfiish countries that implement policies that will kill their own citizens in the future and that will require buy-in to a never ending cycle of annual vaccines. Do you think that is a satisfactory outcome? I would rather learn to live with the virus, as millions and millions of people already have, myself included, no doubt.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2577909]Again, I don't doubt that. I am not anti-science at all. But I am not putting 2 and 2 together to make 6. .

As I mentioned in a previous post, and as the people mention in your quotes, there are not enough people vaxd to prevent mutation. And since that is not even a serious goal of the international community, it will never be achieved. So we have a bunch of selfiish countries that implement policies that will kill their own citizens in the future and that will require buy-in to a never ending cycle of annual vaccines. Do you think that is a satisfactory outcome? I would rather learn to live with the virus, as millions and millions of people already have, myself included, no doubt.[/QUOTE]You're right. You're putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 22. The problem with mutation is that eventually it can mutate into something no longer vulnerable to the vaccine and we're at ground zero. Your batshit crazy conspiracy about the "buy in" of annual vaccines is just that. As population puts more and more stress on wild spaces and interaction between wild species and civilization increases, these pandemics will become more common and the need for vaccines more vital. As much as you love your Ayn Rand philosophies and adhere to a "me first" mentality, millions and millions of people haven't "lived" with the virus, but millions and millions have died premature deaths. Yes, you are an ignorant imbecile with a terminal case of Dunning Kruger.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2577902]Unfortunatyely the stupidity is all yours, in buying in to a solution that can not possibly work, then condemning others that don't buy in to your shortsightedness.[/QUOTE]I truly wish the threshold of your intelligence was high enough to grasp the facts in this situation. Unfortunately, you don't have the level of IQ necessary to understand that you don't have the necessary level of IQ to understand the issue.

Dunning-Kruger Effect.

The Dunning-Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people wrongly overestimate their knowledge or ability in a specific area. This tends to occur because a lack of self-awareness prevents them from accurately assessing their own skills.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2577541]I got a couple of E-mails asking me what I meant about scoring with chicas (of course, always at least 18 yo) who had "daddy complexes. " At first I thought the E-mails were being sarcastic, which I always appreciate, but apparently the questions were genuine. As the saying goes, for every one person who asks a question like that, there are ten more who want to know the same thing but are too preoccupied to write.

Jung, who was a giant in the field of psychiatry, probably only second to Freud, coined the phrase Electra Complex for a daughter sexually attracted to her father. I modified this phrase to Electra Complex in Absentia, to account for the large percentage of girls who were raised in a home without a stable father figure. The theory is that subconsciously those girls are yearning for paternal love and approval that they did not get growing up. Once they are old enough to act out, they will subconsciously fulfill that need by having sex with someone old enough to be their father. That is what I meant by there being two kinds of girls in the world, those who like older men, and those who don't. And being half-way home when a girl I just met describes a broken home without a father figure. Next time you are with a adult girl young enough to be your daughter or younger, and you get the feeling she is into you more than you would expect, ask her about here dad. Donuts to dollars, he wasn't around.

The course of events is fairly predictable with a girl like this. Early trip to the bedroom, then nothing in common to talk about the next morning, and the relationship quickly fizzles out due to boredom on both sides, and her realization that is nothing too special about you other than you like pussy. Ostee Out.[/QUOTE]Neither Jung nor Freud are considered as central to psychology as they once were; Freud's oedipal theories have been roundly dismissed by the psychiatric community. Rather than having a daddy fixation, do you think it's possible these women might be smart enough to know that older guys have more disposable income and are more likely to treat them in the manner they prefer? The ratio of old rich men compared to young rich men is exponential. There's an undercurrent of misogyny just in your question- you imply that these women are driven by psychological need rather than intellectual strategy. It doesn't take Freud to figure out that if you're going to fuck for money, fuck someone who has money.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2577692]In Medellin, this is all too real. I would say most of my chicas with whom I click (and with whom I am likely to repeat) have daddy issues. And to me, I am their daddy. For some of them, I make them call me papi. I am 55, so it works. These girls want to feel some affection (fake love) that they never had. Some of them are willing to do things that others are not. They seem to crave the attention of an older male. And I find that they are usually very reasonable with their price. Because for them, it's about money, but also about getting something they always wanted but never had. The attention of an older man.[/QUOTE]You probably think that stripper thinks you're cute, too. ITS A FUCKING BUSINESS. ANYONE IN BUSINESS KNOWS OLDER PEOPLE ARE GENERALLY MORE FINANCIALLY SECURE. They're making a simple calculation that if they're going to fuck for money, they are going to fuck someone that HAS money. If you'll notice, their boyfriends are spending the money you're paying them to fuck you- and they ALL have local boyfriends. They also tend to like older guys because they're less likely to be violent.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2577682]Which disease / virus do you think would have wiped out the human race if we had not been vaccinated? I must have missed that one. .

On the subject of selfishness. What do you think about the fact that the majority of people around the world are likely to remain unvaccinated. And that the virus is likely to mutate, meaning that those people that are want vaxxes are likely to need a new one every XX months / years? When you factor those issues in, do you think its selfish really? Seems to me like there is a large slice of exploitation in this.[/QUOTE]By the end of the year, the vast majority of people will be vaccinated. Most don't feel the privilege you demonstrate, and are literally dying to get their vaccines. Yes, there are about 30% of pure ignorance out there who simply won't get it, but many of them will die. So be it. The Black Plague killed up to 90% of the population and changed the world order from one of peasantry to wage labor. Had they not utilized quarantines (some villages would lock infected people in their homes and starve them to death, others would fire on any strangers approaching the community) the plague might well have decimated entire regions, like it did in Asia.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2577678]It could be true but not necessarily. Insanity is a subset of irrationality but it's not the same thing. .[/QUOTE]Stupidity and ignorance, as demonstrated so definitively by you, isn't a subset of anything other than a dearth of cognitive ability. You're simply not smart enough to understand what you're talking about.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2577652]That may well be true, but after countless women in multiple cities of 9 countries multiple times, I am still negative as of 2 hours ago. And remember that I was trolling centro and seen no parts of Poblado.

Jj got the vaccine, went to 1 city, had lunch with 3 chicks, and turned up positive. What went wrong?[/QUOTE]The vaccine isn't a magic wand that you wave and PRESTO! CDC recommends waiting two weeks prior to interactions to allow the antibodies to actually multiply in your body and provide protection. This is the problem incurred when people of substandard intelligence try to fight over their weight class.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2577548]This report (something of a longish, but overdue disgorge) ...[/QUOTE]Being under self confinement in sex prison I do appreciate such reports of distinction such that I don't really mind the vax vs anti-vax debate.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2577909]Again, I don't doubt that. I am not anti-science at all. But I am not putting 2 and 2 together to make 6. .

As I mentioned in a previous post, and as the people mention in your quotes, there are not enough people vaxd to prevent mutation. And since that is not even a serious goal of the international community, it will never be achieved. So we have a bunch of selfiish countries that implement policies that will kill their own citizens in the future and that will require buy-in to a never ending cycle of annual vaccines. Do you think that is a satisfactory outcome? I would rather learn to live with the virus, as millions and millions of people already have, myself included, no doubt.[/QUOTE]Not worth debating any more here. I have often said, people who post have their minds made up already, it's not as if anyone here is asking whether or not they should get vaccinated. As long as we live in a free country then people are free to make bad decisions, even when it is against the greater public good. Psychologically, many if not most people with these viewpoints already feel marginalized by society for other reasons, economically, politically, religiously, other scientific fringe beliefs (he keeps bring up vivisection and patent medicines). By going against the grain of the popular common sense opinion, they feel empowered and it compensates for the other issues and internal conflicts in their fringe belief systems. Control is the issue for them, not science or outcomes or greater good. They already feel persecuted, ignored and marginalized and this is how they compensate.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2577548]This report (something of a longish, but overdue disgorge).[/QUOTE]But guys around here seem to like long reports. And I can be long winded and an attention-seeking myself. Your posts remind me why professional writing is always edited. The take-home for me is you seem to really enjoy yourself, and that's cool in this sport at any age.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2577915]I truly wish the threshold of your intelligence was high enough to grasp the facts in this situation. Unfortunately, you don't have the level of IQ necessary to understand that you don't have the necessary level of IQ to understand the issue.
Dunning-Kruger Effect.
[/QUOTE]I didn't measure it myself, I had it tested several times. My IQ is 142. I am fine with that.

You seem happy to throw insults but you haven't given any details as to why you think my POV is stupid. Well, at least nothing that makes any sense. Please explain why you think my opinion is stupid. I am good at listening and always happy to learn. Hence my IQ.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2577923]By the end of the year, the vast majority of people will be vaccinated. .[/QUOTE]Thats just so incorrect and demonstrates that you didn't really read what I wrote. You are clearly attacking a POV which I do not hold.

The vast majority of people will remain unvaccinated forever. You seem to be equating your own little societal bubble with what's going on in the greater world outside. Thats the problem. Unless you want to live in a world where you cut yourself off to most of the world and constantly have vaccines, your theory doesn't work.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2577963]I didn't measure it myself, I had it tested several times. My IQ is 142. I am fine with that.

You seem happy to throw insults but you haven't given any details as to why you think my POV is stupid. Well, at least nothing that makes any sense. Please explain why you think my opinion is stupid. I am good at listening and always happy to learn. Hence my IQ.[/QUOTE]Seriously you really must mean 42.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2577922]They're making a simple calculation that if they're going to fuck for money, they are going to fuck someone that HAS money. They also tend to like older guys because they're less likely to be violent.[/QUOTE]I think this is absolutely true- as a business decision it's much more shrewd to seek out and cater to an older crowd. A lot of young mongers think that they should get discounts or freebies for being young / fit / attractive. With a semi-pro that might work- but a real pro doesn't have time for such nonsense.

On the flip side- "Daddy Issues" are a real thing- but its hard to put a number on it. My estimate would be that roughly 30-40% of the working girl population has unresolved Father issues stemming from neglect / abuse / etc and in general these girls with no father figure are more sexualized and promiscuous.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2577765]So I'm curious what others think about what I have been observing.[/QUOTE]And that is the only constant is change, reports are biased and out of date within a week, you never know what will be the latest trend or newest angle. Being observant as you are, and flexible gives you the best opportunities.

I've been mongering in Brazil for 7 weeks although just arrived in Colombia roughly a week ago. I quickly noticed that Relative to Rio de Janeiro, there seems to be more economic disruption here- in Bogota half the buildings are empty or for sale, and in both cities (Bog+Med), destitute people will literally beg for your scraps of food as you are leaving a restaurant. There was plenty of homelessness in Rio, but the amount of street begging, and in particular just for food by legitimately hungry people as opposed to some sort of aggressive panhandling by a street urchin- is much greater in Colombia.

My question to the experts here- pre-covid: was there the same presence of begging and desperation in the streets, or is this a new development?

A follow up question- if it is indeed the case that Colombians are suffering disproportionately- why have SW prices, particularly in Bogota seem to have risen to unrealistic levels? One would surmise the opposite to be true.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2577785]Here's a reason:

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/07/us/maryland-unvaccinated-covid-deaths/index.html[/URL][/QUOTE]He has what I call the "Burning House" argument. If someone's house catches on fire you let it burn and you don't try to put out the fire or save lives because you can't prevent all fires in the future. Obviously, a ridiculous and irrational viewpoint.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2577917]Neither Jung nor Freud are considered as central to psychology as they once were; Freud's oedipal theories have been roundly dismissed by the psychiatric community. Rather than having a daddy fixation, do you think it's possible these women might be smart enough to know that older guys have more disposable income and are more likely to treat them in the manner they prefer? The ratio of old rich men compared to young rich men is exponential. There's an undercurrent of misogyny just in your question- you imply that these women are driven by psychological need rather than intellectual strategy. It doesn't take Freud to figure out that if you're going to fuck for money, fuck someone who has money.[/QUOTE]Not sure I entirely agree with your reasoning. If that's the case, why is it that slightly older women say in their later 20's who one could argue have been around the block more and figured out the game better don't seem to act the same way. I have observed things close to what osteoknot talks about. Whether coincidence or real I will not know. However growing up without a father leaves a void in a child's life, girls included. I do think it manifests with sexual promiscuity and an affinity to older men. Heck Medellin is proving that out on a grand scale to our benefit.

How do they work? For example if I wanted to marry call a girl over do I pay her before or after?

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2577943]Not worth debating any more here. I have often said, people who post have their minds made up already, it's not as if anyone here is asking whether or not they should get vaccinated. As long as we live in a free country then people are free to make bad decisions, even when it is against the greater public good. Psychologically, many if not most people with these viewpoints already feel marginalized by society for other reasons, economically, politically, religiously, other scientific fringe beliefs (he keeps bring up vivisection and patent medicines). By going against the grain of the popular common sense opinion, they feel empowered and it compensates for the other issues and internal conflicts in their fringe belief systems. Control is the issue for them, not science or outcomes or greater good. They already feel persecuted, ignored and marginalized and this is how they compensate.[/QUOTE]Once again a quite astute observation osteo. But to me this is such a public health issue that I feel it's fair to say, if you choose not to get vaccinated, you don't get to put other vulnerable people at risk. So you can't board a plane unless maybe it's your private plane. You have to wear a mask in a public space etc. So effectively this is not about them in as much as it is about their impact on those around them. They are the reason this thing will linger. As to the rest of the world, yeah there are plenty places where the vaccine supply will catch up, and I predict enough people will either get it or get the acquired immunity by end of 2022. Yes variants pose a risk, but that risk is accelerated where it is raging wild. Most of these variants have emerged in countries where it raged, I. E. India Brazil etc. And they were not vaccinated as a population much by that time. They are random events but random event also happen with certain odds and when it's raging it's just more likely.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2577943]Not worth debating any more here. I have often said, people who post have their minds made up already, it's not as if anyone here is asking whether or not they should get vaccinated. As long as we live in a free country then people are free to make bad decisions, even when it is against the greater public good. Psychologically, many if not most people with these viewpoints already feel marginalized by society for other reasons, economically, politically, religiously, other scientific fringe beliefs (he keeps bring up vivisection and patent medicines). By going against the grain of the popular common sense opinion, they feel empowered and it compensates for the other issues and internal conflicts in their fringe belief systems. Control is the issue for them, not science or outcomes or greater good. They already feel persecuted, ignored and marginalized and this is how they compensate.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=GeneHickman;2577995]Once again a quite astute observation osteo. But to me this is such a public health issue that I feel it's fair to say, if you choose not to get vaccinated, you don't get to put other vulnerable people at risk. So you can't board a plane unless maybe it's your private plane. You have to wear a mask in a public space etc. So effectively this is not about them in as much as it is about their impact on those around them. They are the reason this thing will linger. As to the rest of the world, yeah there are plenty places where the vaccine supply will catch up, and I predict enough people will either get it or get the acquired immunity by end of 2022. Yes variants pose a risk, but that risk is accelerated where it is raging wild. Most of these variants have emerged in countries where it raged, I. E. India Brazil etc. And they were not vaccinated as a population much by that time. They are random events but random event also happen with certain odds and when it's raging it's just more likely.[/QUOTE]The voices of reason! If you read these two posts and you think you have good reason for a contrary view. Well. You're mistaken.

[QUOTE=ZebraStripes81;2577980]I quickly noticed that Relative to Rio de Janeiro, there seems to be more economic disruption here- in Bogota half the buildings are empty or for sale, and in both cities (Bog+Med)[/quote]Depends on the apple. In Curitiba, Brazil there were tons of empty places with for rent and for sale signs. Rio is way bigger than Bogota and Medellin. Curitiba is smaller than Bogota and bigger than Medellin. I do not think I know any Brazilians that lost jobs due to the pandemic.

[QUOTE=ZebraStripes81;2577980]A follow up question- if it is indeed the case that Colombians are suffering disproportionately- why have SW prices, particularly in Bogota seem to have risen to unrealistic levels? One would surmise the opposite to be true. [/QUOTE]One from the first world may surmise that. In Latin America and Southeast Asia, if business is bad then you raise prices to make up for the loss.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2578002]One from the first world may surmise that. In Latin America and Southeast Asia, if business is bad then you raise prices to make up for the loss.[/QUOTE]This is absolutely true- I noticed this when visiting Pattaya off season- the girls had less work and so were demanding more money- an interesting way of wagging the dog!

There is a strange sort of logic to it, but only if the whole lot of girls stick to the plan- otherwise the racket breaks down. A good contrarian indicator nonetheless, and your point about Rio being a big city is spot on as well- I didn't venture into the whole country so my sample size is limited.

I do recall that the Brazilian government was able to provide some public assistance during the pandemic and Copacabana I remember seeing some food give-aways so my general hunch is that the Brazilian government is in a better position- the recent riots in Colombia would also re-enforce this notion.

Let's always remember too that for the hardcore pro working girl it's all about the money. An uneducated girl from the country can make 300 cop in 1 hour, while it takes her brother / father a week to make that driving an uber.

[QUOTE=ZebraStripes81;2577980]I've been mongering in Brazil for 7 weeks although just arrived in Colombia roughly a week ago. I quickly noticed that Relative to Rio de Janeiro, there seems to be more economic disruption here- in Bogota half the buildings are empty or for sale, and in both cities (Bog+Med), destitute people will literally beg for your scraps of food as you are leaving a restaurant. There was plenty of homelessness in Rio, but the amount of street begging, and in particular just for food by legitimately hungry people as opposed to some sort of aggressive panhandling by a street urchin- is much greater in Colombia.

My question to the experts here- pre-covid: was there the same presence of begging and desperation in the streets, or is this a new development?

A follow up question- if it is indeed the case that Colombians are suffering disproportionately- why have SW prices, particularly in Bogota seem to have risen to unrealistic levels? One would surmise the opposite to be true.[/QUOTE]Its bizarre and disturbing to walk down the street with a small btl of water with just a little in it, and very dirty beggars will, plead with you for it? WTF is going on.

I never see water fountains anywhere, where do they get water? They are very dirty so I guess water is not easy to get, except for the old naked woman I saw sitting on the curb near Parque Bolivar one day.

Someone took a large black glad garbage bag and filled it about 50% with water, and she was sitting on the curb washing her tits ass and pussy, it was a disturbing site.

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Every dogma has its day especially in the field of psychology. But before Freud, the theory of an active subconscious was not known. So it's easy to forget his pure genius for its day, about a hundred years ago. The only mental health diagnosis when Freud began his career was insanity. So taken in context, his theories were revolutionary and groundbreaking. By modern standards, psychoanalysis is not relevant, practical nor an effective therapy, where "breakthroughs" are often measured in decades. Jung stood on the shoulders of Freud and labeled young daughters' sexual attraction for fathers as the Electra Complex. I named the Electra Complex in Absentia to try and make it more relevant to modern culture and broken homes. The idea that young women growing up without father figures act out in varying degrees with sexual substitution, especially in the pay for play world, is not much of a stretch. A lot of mongers can relate to it with real world experience, including every time a chica calls me Pappi or Daddy without my prompting.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2578027][]Its bizarre and disturbing to walk down the street with a small btl of water with just a little in it, and very dirty beggars will, plead with you for it? WTF is going on.I never see water fountains anywhere, where do they get water? [/URL][/QUOTE]] Very rarely will you ever see a Colombian with a bottle of water in their hand, to expensive at about 2,000 K, however you will see Colombians with bags of water that cost 500 K and are sold by everyone, and lots of vendors selling water drinks.

I believe the reason water fountains don't exist is because when the infrastructure was built in most places many years ago they didn't have potable water, hence no drinking fountains.

And very few cities in Colombia do have potable drinking water, yet Medellin does, albeit sometimes it has an odor / color to it.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2577765]So perhaps others here have a "take" on El Centro, and perhaps can better articulate what I am observing, as it just is getting more and more packed with girls, and mongers as well, but not in the same proportion. It's mind boggling with so many available, and seems that a lot of prettier ones have been showing up lately compared to six months ago. I used to comment on all the Venezuelan beached whales I would observe, and now that has changed as well.

So I'm curious what others think about what I have been observing.[/QUOTE]I was in Centro today from about 2:30-4:00 and I would agree with your assessment. The last time I was in the field was right before the pandemic Dec / Jan 19/20 and the pickings were as you described. The girls today were in much greater quantity and quality-whereas before I might see one girl I would session, today I saw at least 4 or 5. Many of them nubile and slim with nice faces as opposed to the wall to wall busted mugs and donkey butts from pre-covid.

I think you nail the causality as well- the influx of Venezuelans combined with continued economic distress has created a situation where many are drawn to the profession out of sheer necessity and naturally this rises the talent level. I read an article recently that the Colombian middle class (already small) has shrunk by as much as 25% over the past year.

As for who is pulling them- I saw a lot of locals engaging, mostly on the older side. I did not see any other grino mongers today- but it was just a couple hours in one day.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2578027]They are very dirty so I guess water is not easy to get, except for the old naked woman I saw sitting on the curb near Parque Bolivar one day.

Someone took a large black glad garbage bag and filled it about 50% with water, and she was sitting on the curb washing her tits ass and pussy, it was a disturbing site.[/QUOTE]I guess she was too lazy to go down to the very public showers that they have set up only a few blocks down. And I do mean public. Noticed it the other day when me and another BM were in a taxi heading to my favorite casa.

It was a metal fence, but in the pipe along the top there were plenty of holes for water to come out. They had water connected to one end so the "showers" sprayed onto the sidewalk. There were tons of homeless people and addicts on the block.

Now I will hang out and walk around Botero Park and Raudal 24 hours, but there is NO WAY IN HELL I am even walking around that way at high noon. People that are scared of Botero would just fall dead on the spot if they saw that block.

Hey guys,

Hoping to get some insight from the more experienced. I recently happened to connect with 1 out of the 500,000 Colombian cam girls on CB. We're both the same age (mid 20's) and as Medellin has naturally spiked my interest from lurking this forum the past couple months, the topic of Medellin came up as we chatted away on the site. She (like many) absolutely loves the city and since she was a cool girl, I suggested I fly her out so she can join me for some partying & we fuck each other's brains out in an Airbnb. All funds on me. It would be good to have someone acquaint me to the area because I don't speak a lick of Spanish. She seemed into it and since I tipped her kind of shit on the camming site, I tried to reassure her by letting her know I could pay her (I had a 3-4 day sugar daddy scenario in mind). Not sure if our Google Translate conversation just didn't get my point across but she seemed confused and asked "why do you feel the need to pay a friend to hang out"?

I get her point but what these girls don't know is that I've also paid escorts to piss in my mouth and gulped it down with a smile.

Since we've exchanged light contact information (just Insta, nothing serious) we obviously still have time to plan the specifics of a possible trip, but I was just hoping to get some vets input on how fucking stupid of an idea this is? Being that I don't speak a lick of Spanish yet, I never planned on hanging out in Medellin too long. Since I've never been to SA the intention of the trip has always been to dip my feet in the water; a bit of partying / sight seeing, getting to know other nomads at some cultural exchange events, and maybe meeting a couple girls off Seeking Arrangements (although as you can imagine, this cam girl is such a stunner I'd honestly have no interest in any other girl in the entire country if our getaway does go through).

Would greatly appreciate any input or someone slapping some sense onto me if I'm wearing tinted glasses and this is a horrible idea. Thanks guys.

[QUOTE=ZebraStripes81;2577980]I've been mongering in Brazil for 7 weeks although just arrived in Colombia roughly a week ago. I quickly noticed that Relative to Rio de Janeiro, there seems to be more economic disruption here- in Bogota half the buildings are empty or for sale, and in both cities (Bog+Med), destitute people will literally beg for your scraps of food as you are leaving a restaurant. There was plenty of homelessness in Rio, but the amount of street begging, and in particular just for food by legitimately hungry people as opposed to some sort of aggressive panhandling by a street urchin- is much greater in Colombia.

My question to the experts here- pre-covid: was there the same presence of begging and desperation in the streets, or is this a new development?

A follow up question- if it is indeed the case that Colombians are suffering disproportionately- why have SW prices, particularly in Bogota seem to have risen to unrealistic levels? One would surmise the opposite to be true.[/QUOTE]Isn't Brasil the richest country in Latin America?(GDP).

I'm guessing being "poor in a richer country" isn't as hard as being "poor in a poorer country" like say Colombia.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2578086]]you will see Colombians with bags of water that cost 500 K[/QUOTE]Are you saying the bags of water are safe to drink? I would like to know.

I remember the first time I saw a little bag of water in Medellin, and thinking how strange.

The price of cop is dropping nicely.

Does anyone know of a cost effective way to buy cop online and have it delivered FedEx to your casa in USA?

I looked at Chase Citi and BofA and some BS online currency services but the rates are all shitty.

I would like to get 5000-10000 usd its getting close to 4000.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2577983]He has what I call the "Burning House" argument. If someone's house catches on fire you let it burn and you don't try to put out the fire or save lives because you can't prevent all fires in the future. Obviously, a ridiculous and irrational viewpoint.[/QUOTE]Another one that strawman's my POV. I never said we should do nothing. I was simply reflecting on the current international policy and that it is not going to get us where we all want to be. The vax policy is not going to eliminate the virus, the virus will mutate, and we will have to live with it. In what way does that imply I think we should do nothing or that I am privileged? It doesn't. If you think so, then you are inventing meaning to the words that I wrote.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2578121]It was a metal fence, but in the pipe along the top there were plenty of holes for water to come out. They had water connected to one end so the "showers" sprayed onto the sidewalk. There were tons of homeless people and addicts on the block.

NO WAY IN HELL I am even walking around that way at high noon. People that are scared of Botero would just fall dead on the spot if they saw that block.[/QUOTE]I didn't have quite the same reaction as you. Mind you, I did not jump out of my taxi to go take a tour, but I would not hesitate to walk down that street in broad daylight, which I saw more as a curiosity and public service, and not as any threat. Shows to go ya how we can interpret situations differently. Call me nuts, but I would say folks who are in the middle of bathing are preoccupied, jaja.

Your story reminded me of the time I got off a Greyhound Bus in Port Authority, New York City, when a homeless guy appeared out of the blackness of a subway tunnel. The best way I can describe his appearance is that he had on clothing but none of it was visible because he was covered in layers and sheets of brown crust, and barefooted. He smelled so bad of urine and feces that people were literally throwing coins to get him to move in a different direction. He got within 20 feet of me at a fast food counter and the odor was still overpowering. Everyone moved back. The servers shoved food and drink at him and did not take his money, they would not go near him. He smiled blithely, took his food and skulked away.

I vote for the sidewalk showers instead of it ever getting to the point of that poor soul. I will never forget his sight and smell. As tragic as anything I have seen in the Third World.

I wish I had an answer, but I do not. But I share your interest in this question. I always bring home COP for my next trip, but at this exchange rate, I'd love to lock it in by buying several thousand USD of COP to have. Without having to take the bad rates offered in the USA By banks and currency dealers. There has got to be a way. Maybe open an account with Allianz (have to look up the name) in Colombia. Transfer USA Dollars. Convert to COP. You only pay a small rate to withdraw. I think this is easier than trying to open a bank account with a traditional Colombian bank, but it still involves paperwork. Got to be a better way.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2578212]The price of cop is dropping nicely.

Does anyone know of a cost effective way to buy cop online and have it delivered FedEx to your casa in USA?

I looked at Chase Citi and BofA and some BS online currency services but the rates are all shitty.

I would like to get 5000-10000 usd its getting close to 4000.[/QUOTE]

Well, we went into the deep end, there, didn't we?!

13 days since infection, 6 days since a stuffy nose.

Thanks to many for the opinions, advice, information. Sorry to start the shit show, but I know several here are far more educated in the subject, and I don't believe everything I read on the internet.

Pinky tested negative before going home for a week. We had been sleeping in separate rooms, and trying to avoid contact so she wouldn't get the virus. My cleaning lady has been wearing a mask all week. Can any of the resident virologists confirm I should be able to return to normal life in the next few days, here?

I did go out, yesterday, to milk the Scotiabank ATM with the USD at 3,840 COP.

If anyone wants to order liquor from Rappi, use Turbo Licores. 24 beers, 12 Smirnoffs, & a bottle of rum arrived 10 minutes after placing the order.

Osty that Bogota chica is nice to look at! Thanks for the photos.

Oh shit! I was talking to a Vennie, last night, that said she is leaving this weekend for Mexico, where she will pay a coyote and sneak into the US with a fake visa through Texas, then look for work in Denver. She is a single mom with a 7 year old son who is going with her. Wild to hear this first-hand.

Anyone tried the new massage place on Calle 10, on the corner across from the new hotel a block down from Charlee?

Cheers, boys!

[QUOTE=RedWaters44;2578158]Hey guys,

Hoping to get some insight from the more experienced. I recently happened to connect with 1 out of the 500,000 Colombian cam girls on CB. We're both the same age (mid 20's) and as Medellin has naturally spiked my interest from lurking this forum the past couple months, the topic of Medellin came up as we chatted away on the site. She (like many) absolutely loves the city and since she was a cool girl, I suggested I fly her out so she can join me for some partying & we fuck each other's brains out in an Airbnb. All funds on me. It would be good to have someone acquaint me to the area because I don't speak a lick of Spanish. She seemed into it and since I tipped her kind of shit on the camming site, I tried to reassure her by letting her know I could pay her (I had a 3-4 day sugar daddy scenario in mind). Not sure if our Google Translate conversation just didn't get my point across but she seemed confused and asked "why do you feel the need to pay a friend to hang out"?

I get her point but what these girls don't know is that I've also paid escorts to piss in my mouth and gulped it down with a smile..[/QUOTE]I rapidly ready your post a few times and I can't tell for sure who is flying from where to meet where. Doesn't really matter too much, the advice is the same.

You are over-committed with a girl you barely know and already admitted to having communication issues. Really bad idea. The kind of meeting you are describing is something you build up to with someone you have gotten to know over time and or fucked before, or is a high priced escort which defeats the purpose of being in Colombia in the first place, IMO. Within ten minutes of being in the same room, IF she even shows, you might find out you don't like each other, or worse, as she might have criminal intentions as in drug you or steal from you.

AND the counterpoint, it is totally unnecessary. Once you find yourself in Medellin, there is a smorgasboard of girls awaiting you and all different kinds of ways to meet them. I know you wrote you would not be interested in other chicas but that is a counter productive viewpoint, once you are here. Flying to Medellin with the plan to meet one chica only is like going to DisneyWorld to pay for the parking and then never getting out of your car.

Don't ever fly or agree to meet one girl anywhere in South America. Always have at least three options lined up based on the standard flake rate of these chicas not showing. Your back up plan may be going to monger on foot at Ground Zero in El Centro, but you need options.

If your chica tells you she has never been on a plane before, and you send her a ticket, 99% chance she ain't going to be on that plane. They don't make a profit by not showing, but the task is too daunting for them. There is so much pussy and Gringos available that it makes arrangements like what you are describing, unnecessary, cumbersome, and too much trouble. I know it's easy to get caught up in the thrill and the fantasy. That will sustain you for about five minutes once you meet.

Wait, I'm not done. Slappity, slap, slap, slap.

I was talking to one of my chica friends today and she reminded me of how much she likes anal. I'm not a huge anal lover, but I do like it on occasion, especially if I can convince a chica to do it who has not done it before. I like the fact that is' kind of taboo with a lot of chicas in Medellin. I have a few girls who do it. I have a few others I'm working on. Starting with some rubbing and then some finger penetration. Trying to explain to them how good it will feel because of the number of nerves located there. And telling them I know some girls who can orgasm from anal (which I do). At any rate, if anyone is looking for anal, PM me. I really don't want to give names here, as most of these girls are not broadcasting their willingness to do it. But I can maybe give you a couple of names in PM.

Just a few caveats: these are FB girls, so if you are looking for anal for 50 mil, forget it. On the other hand, they charge reasonable prices, because after visiting Medellin for 16 years, I'm paying the price I want and know is fair. You will not catch me paying the 200+ a lot of guys pay. Also, these girls are not anal porn stars. They are not rimmed out. So it you want to jackhammer a chica in the ass, find a hardcore that is already wearing Depends. Finally, my dick is average size. If your dick is too long or fat, these chicks might get scared. So again, you need to find the true anal pros. These are just nice girls who were willing to try something new and liked it, at least when I did it to them.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2578362]Osty that Bogota chica is nice to look at! Thanks for the photos[/QUOTE]I keep finding one-off photos of her mixed in with the other photos in my phone.

I failed to mention but I bet you will not be surprised to hear, she's a Vennie. She looks it, too.

I lost touch with her. My Gringo acquaintances tell me I lost my mind for not keeping her close. Sometimes it's just not in the cards. The memories are fantastic and undiluted.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2578357]...but at this exchange rate, I'd love to lock it in by buying several thousand USD of COP to have...[/QUOTE]I don't think the long term outlook for COP / USD is great. The current one year forecast is 4031.

Okay fess up, which one of you gringos got so desperate to know what it was like to drive in Medellin that you decided to do it in style and stole the 2017 Mercedes Benz AMG C63 S Coupe. I just want to say that who ever you are you have excellent taste in cars but really poor judgement about what type of car to steal. Is it any wonder that you got caught since how many white Mercedes AMGs are running around in Medellin? And you might want to case the place for cameras instead of just knocking on the door to make sure no one is there? Anyway I write this sarcastically because even if you do read this forum you are not reading this right now because I am pretty sure you are still in jail.

Video of guy breaking gringo breaking huge glass door, cleaning out a path and then moving a motorcycle and then a truck to create the room to drive the car out.

[URL]https://www.qhubomedellin.com/noticias/en-video-un-gringo-robo-carro-de-un-concesionario-en-el-poblado-y-lo-cogieron/[/URL]

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2578357]I wish I had an answer, but I do not. But I share your interest in this question. I always bring home COP for my next trip, but at this exchange rate, I'd love to lock it in by buying several thousand USD of COP to have. Without having to take the bad rates offered in the USA By banks and currency dealers. There has got to be a way. Maybe open an account with Allianz (have to look up the name) in Colombia. Transfer USA Dollars. Convert to COP. You only pay a small rate to withdraw. I think this is easier than trying to open a bank account with a traditional Colombian bank, but it still involves paperwork. Got to be a better way.[/QUOTE]Easier said than done transferring US Dollars into Colombia via Allianza, when I opened my account with them I had to be vetted in person and bring copies of my USA tax returns. And than the transferring of USD into Colombia can get quite involved as well depending on the amount and what the monies are to be used for which has strict government controls and documentation requirements. A better option would be if you could open a Bancolombia bank account somehow when your in Colombia, and then withdraw funds using ATM machines and make cash deposits into your Bancolombia account when the exchange rate is good when your in Country.

Prior to the beginning of the Pandemic when the exchange rate was over 4100 COP to the USD, I was withdrawing money everyday using two ATM cards and making cash deposits into my Bancolombia account and getting as good a rate as Allianza was offering with no paperwork / attorneys involved which I posted about at the time.

Maybe somebody else has figured out how to get in on on a good exchange rate while out of the Country but I haven't heard of it as yet.

[QUOTE=RedWaters44;2578158]Hey guys,

Hoping to get some insight from the more experienced. I recently happened to connect with 1 out of the 500,000 Colombian cam girls on CB. We're both the same age (mid 20's) and as Medellin has naturally spiked my interest from lurking this forum the past couple months, the topic of Medellin came up as we chatted away on the site. She (like many) absolutely loves the city and since she was a cool girl, I suggested I fly her out so she can join me for some partying & we fuck each other's brains out in an Airbnb. All funds on me. It would be good to have someone acquaint me to the area because I don't speak a lick of Spanish. She seemed into it and since I tipped her kind of shit on the camming site, I tried to reassure her by letting her know I could pay her (I had a 3-4 day sugar daddy scenario in mind). Not sure if our Google Translate conversation just didn't get my point across but she seemed confused and asked "why do you feel the need to pay a friend to hang out"?

I get her point but what these girls don't know is that I've also paid escorts to piss in my mouth and gulped it down with a smile.

Since we've exchanged light contact information (just Insta, nothing serious) we obviously still have time to plan the specifics of a possible trip, but I was just hoping to get some vets input on how fucking stupid of an idea this is? Being that I don't speak a lick of Spanish yet, I never planned on hanging out in Medellin too long.[/QUOTE]If you've been lurking on the forum for a couple of months you already know the answer to your question, since this subject gets beaten to death about 4 times a year.

1. Exchanging Instagram accounts isn't trading contact information. If she was giving you her contact information you would have her Whatsapp. Giving you her Instagram is the same as a stripper telling you that you can come and see her at the strip club.

2. While it may seem so, webcam models are no different from any other girl. They're not more exotic, more interesting or more desirable. They're just normal, average Colombian girls who work on webcam instead of somewhere else. I speak from the experience of sharing an apartment with a Colombian webcam model for 9 months in Medellin.

3. You're a customer. If you support her frequently on webcam, if you're entertaining and interesting, you might become a preferred customer, but you will always be a customer. If she agrees to do what you want her to do, it's only because the money you're spending makes it a good business decision.

4. There are thousands of women in Medellin who will happily do what you are trying to do. And it's an incredibly bad idea to do it with any of them. It's simple, you have zero knowledge of any of them. You don't know whether or not they will perform to your standards, whether they'll do the things you want and whether they'll make it enjoyable. You sample first. Try a girl for an hour, then for a few hours and then for longer. Committing to anything longer than a short date is almost certainly a mistake.

5. You're obviously not interested in making your proposition workable. If you were committed to it, your first question would have been about learning enough Spanish to communicate with the girl. While it's possible to get by without Spanish, spending several days alone with another person, when neither of you speaks the other's language gets tedious very quickly.

6. There's about an 80% chance you haven't even talked to the girl. Most Colombian webcam models work for a webcam studio. When they are on webcam they have a monitor working with them. The monitor uses a back office program so they can see everything that's on the model's screen and respond to chat messages, tip notes and private messages. There are a couple of reasons for this. Most of the models don't know much English. So the monitor translates and either messages them what to say, or just replies for them. This provides the illusion that you're having a conversation with the model. The other main reason is that the studio makes money off the model. If the model is using their equipment to make money on the side, they lose out. So the monitor is there to make sure all income comes through the studio. Often the monitor also controls the model's social media. That means the person you're actually talking to is probably a man whose job is to make sure the model gets as much money from you as possible.

When you're serious about going to Colombia to have a good time, get back to us.

I'm walking around near the casas, I didn't session at any of them, the putas look too old and worn out espec New Life.

And I don't like how they look like they micro manage the places, def not my scene, but I went window shopping a few times.

Also if you charge for a viewing the odds of me ever spending money there drops to close to 0%.

So I'm bored and my old body is aching, I decide to try to find a legit massage, I ask around nobody has any ideas.

So I grab a nice pollo burrito and frozen lemonade at Qbano across from Parque Bolivar.

And I walk some of the streets over there and run across what looks like a large ass professional bldg, so I speculate.

Maybe they have some salons inside? I go in and what do you know on the 1st floor they have a nail salon, I go in and ask the girl.

If they do massage she says yes, 70 mil I think hell yes, there were 2 girls her and another around 20 yo so I thought I will get 1 of the 2.

I go into a room and get undressed and put my clothes under the table (big mistake) I have 20 100 usd bills and just got 2000000 pesos from the ATM in my pocket.

Well anyway a woman comes in to do the massage and I look over and she looks old, I'm like WTF old? Late 50's?

I'm a bit pissed off, so I just go with it, she has the weakest hands I've ever seen, I asked for more pressure a few times, it did no good.

But wouldn't you know after awhile I'm loving her hands they are so gentle, I've never had a massage so gentle, she's doing my ass crack taint balls, everything.

Its simply heavenly, some chica comes in and they are yapping in espanol, it was one of the best massages I ever got, she played with my balls taint perineum and anus.

For at least 45 minutes, I didn't ask for anything else LOL.

Finally she finishes it seemed like 2 hours of bliss, I figure, I should give her at least 50 mil tip.

Before I get off the table, I can hear her saying chao and leaving the shop? I'm like wtf no tip?

I get off the table and look down and my clothes are gone, I panicked.

$2000 usd and 2000000 cop gone?

I head towards the hallway and next to the door.

Somebody hung up my clothes on hooks, I checked my pockets and my money is all there, if only they knew jajajajaaaaaaaaaa (isn't that about a years salary?

So I did exchange whatsapp with her before she leaves.

And the next day she starts stalking me asking of she can visit my hotel or if I will visit her shop.

Then she starts trying to video call me everyday on whatsapp, so I'm trying to chase her away.

So one day I write I'm looking for a novia, that wants me to poop in her mouth? She responds, I need to goto Asia for that.

I say but I'm in Mde so she asks how much I will pay?

I say I don't pay novias.

She still trys to whatsapp call me almost everyday LOL, I really should just block her jajajajaja.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2578357]I wish I had an answer, but I do not. But I share your interest in this question. I always bring home COP for my next trip, but at this exchange rate, I'd love to lock it in by buying several thousand USD of COP to have. Without having to take the bad rates offered in the USA By banks and currency dealers. There has got to be a way. Maybe open an account with Allianz (have to look up the name) in Colombia. Transfer USA Dollars. Convert to COP. You only pay a small rate to withdraw. I think this is easier than trying to open a bank account with a traditional Colombian bank, but it still involves paperwork. Got to be a better way.[/QUOTE]If nobody knows of a solution in USA.

What if on my next visit, I get 2000000 cop from the ATM daily then mail a huge stack to the USA.

It would have to be insured so, FEDex in MDE? Or DHL?

Also it would have to be legal.

If you go over the legal limit and it goes missing you're fucked.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2578371]I don't think the long term outlook for COP / USD is great. The current one year forecast is 4031.[/QUOTE]I'm thinking back to the guys who stocked up on pesos last year when the rate went from 3000 to 3500. About 10 days later it was 4400.

I'm not the ISG investment guru, but it seems like a bad investment to me. Sure you might get a better rate today than you can get next year, but even if you do, you've lost the use of that capital until you manage to spend enough time in Colombia to go through a ridiculous amount of pesos. $5,000-$10,000 worth? I just spent 23 days, rented a car for 12 days, spent 11 extra days in an expensive airport hotel, and splurged when hanging out with my friends, plus encountered about $700 of other unexpected costs and still spent less than $3500.

Then there's the risk. Personally I'm uncomfortable carrying around enough cash for a Colombian to buy 2 houses.

If I was tight with my money, never overpaying, and all that, I could easily stretch $5,000 to last 2 months, probably 3.

Would it be reasonable to hire a guide to take me to relevant places for a non Spanish speaking gringo. We had something like that in Cuba who would also drive us and negotiate prices. If so does anybody know of a reputable person. Looks like someone in other forums is offering similar services too.

Had a pretty good day on Friday in Medellin and got three loads off. Hit the pool in Bellen in the morning and swam laps, was at ground zero around noon and went with an old time regular I had benched for giving a "bad performance" during a session before the Pandemic. She had been asking me to take her over the last year and I had been blowing her off every time, so I finally told her why she had been benched, and gave her another shot, and she performed well, so I might put her back in the rotation.

I typically don't repeat ever, or give Chicas a second chance if I don't have a good session with them the first time, but sometimes Chica's will perform well that you repeat with, and then give a shitty performance. So sometimes you have to bench them, and once they've been benched they know the drill, but I rarely have this issue with my crew of street skanks.

Returned to ground zero around 4:30 PM and the place was packed, not only with Chicas, but with more gringo's then I have ever seen before. The word is definitely out about Medellin worldwide and I believe a lot of the mongers whose preference is Asia have been and are coming here now. Anyways, I ran into one of my Chicas and had a great session and afterwards we walked up to Periodista Park, aka Stoners Park, and what a crowd. Jam packed full with most people smoking joints, sipping on beers, and snorting coke. My Chica bought a joint from one of the vendors. Prices for a single joint were 2,000 Pesos, for a larger joint rolled in something other than paper were 5,000 Pesos, and a baggie of Coke 7,000 Pesos. My Chica smoked a bit, I didn't, but I bought a large beer that we split.

Afterwards we went to dinner and headed back down to ground zero at around 8:30 PM and checked into the Zona Rosa and watched the soccer match that Colombia won over Peru 3 to 2 in the last couple of minutes. Afterwards we had another great session and I wasn't sure if I was going to finish being a senior citizen, but she got the job done so it was a good day, three finishes in nine hours. Afterwards I walked her to the bus station near the Nuitibarra Hotel and ground zero was a bit spooky, with a few girls, zombies, and other "things" walking around the Veracruz Church area.

I am finally able to return to Medellin and got my flights booked! 2 weeks in August. Its been since just before the pandemic started, so I am more than ready. I have 4 of my girls in line and waiting for me and I will pick up the rest while there. Next step: booking a place to stay.

If anyone could send me info about a place to stay, I want to change it up from my previous few visits.

Here is what I am hoping for: Balcony (makes weed smoking easier), hot tub / jacuzzi-makes entertaining my girls easier, 24 hour security / safe area, chica friendly (obviously). Reasonable price. 1 or 2 bedrooms.

Any suggestions / tips would be appreciated. I know people hesitate to share good properties because you never know which monger will ruin things for everyone. I get it. I also know that I am not the guy who will ruin it for anyone. So, if anyone has a suggestion--I would appreciate it. I found a great Air BnB I am interested in--but no security in the building--which is fine for my regulars / repeats. But not if I meet a random somewhere.

My tentative plan: 1st week in Medellin, then a few days out of town: Guatape, or the hot springs like 2-3 hours south (Thermales de Cabral? I think is the name). Also looking for good suggestions for places to take a girl for a couple of nights. Jardin might be too far-but its on the list. Guatape is the popular spot. There's got to be other cool romantic spots outside the city for a night or 2??

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2578429]If nobody knows of a solution in USA.

What if on my next visit, I get 2000000 cop from the ATM daily then mail a huge stack to the USA.
It would have to be insured so, FEDex in MDE? Or DHL?

Also it would have to be legal.

If you go over the legal limit and it goes missing you're fucked.[/QUOTE]That should work out great! 4 years ago the cost to send the smallest overnight envelope to Medellin by UPS was $121 dollars. Assuming you can get a rate of 4000 to 1, that means you'll spend a minimum of $621 to get $500 worth of pesos. That equals an exchange rate of 3220 to 1 which is 600 COP per dollar less than you can currently get at the airport, the worst place to buy COP.

I suppose you could fit several 2 million peso stacks in the envelope, but then you have to pay the insurance on top of the base charge of $121, or whatever it's up to now. I guess, if you crammed enough in, you could maybe end up with an effective rate of 3600 COP per dollar, still much worse than what's currently available without speculation.

The upside is, if the rate returns to 1900 to 1 like it was 6 years ago, you'll save hundreds of dollars. The downside is, it'll have to drop to the lowest rate in the past 2 years in order for you to break even (not counting the money you lose by tying up capital in a currency that you can only use in Colombia).

Unless you're desperate to get enough money to afford a trip to Medellin, what's the advantage? For guys living in Colombia, especially on a fixed income, it makes sense to get pesos when the rate is best, but even they can't risk too much. If they stock up on pesos when the rate hits 4000, they screwed themselves when it goes to 4500.

Guys who are there frequently, especially for extended stays, can save a bit by properly timing withdrawals, but most treat it like buying bread at the store. If the bread is on sale, maybe you buy an extra loaf, but you don't buy 40 extra loaves.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2578438]I'm thinking back to the guys who stocked up on pesos last year when the rate went from 3000 to 3500. About 10 days later it was 4400. I'm not the ISG investment guru, but it seems like a bad investment to me.[/QUOTE]Of course it is a horrible investment to hoard currency, especially if it is not a major currency. That post was spot on. The people in these countries are trying to hoard USD, Euro, GBP. Meanwhile outsiders are trying to hoard COP.

[QUOTE=HoyaDay;2578514]Would it be reasonable to hire a guide to take me to relevant places for a non Spanish speaking gringo. We had something like that in Cuba who would also drive us and negotiate prices. If so does anybody know of a reputable person. Looks like someone in other forums is offering similar services too.[/QUOTE]If you don't speak Spanish, an English speaking guide with a car is a good way to see the sights (maybe not negotiate as much as safely get you places). Most normal Colombians are decent people. And most Colombian males have no problem with our hobby.

There is a list in the "Medellin Guides. " section (surprise surprise). I personally like Jimmy (a former NYC cabbie) although it's been many years since I used him.

When you're done, WRITE A REPORT. You owe us now.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2578624]I am finally able to return to Medellin and got my flights booked! 2 weeks in August. Its been since just before the pandemic started, so I am more than ready. I have 4 of my girls in line and waiting for me and I will pick up the rest while there. Next step: booking a place to stay.

If anyone could send me info about a place to stay, I want to change it up from my previous few visits.

Here is what I am hoping for: Balcony (makes weed smoking easier), hot tub / jacuzzi-makes entertaining my girls easier, 24 hour security / safe area, chica friendly (obviously). Reasonable price. 1 or 2 bedrooms.

Any suggestions / tips would be appreciated. I know people hesitate to share good properties because you never know which monger will ruin things for everyone. I get it. I also know that I am not the guy who will ruin it for anyone. So, if anyone has a suggestion--I would appreciate it. I found a great Air BnB I am interested in--but no security in the building--which is fine for my regulars / repeats. But not if I meet a random somewhere.

My tentative plan: 1st week in Medellin, then a few days out of town: Guatape, or the hot springs like 2-3 hours south (Thermales de Cabral? I think is the name). Also looking for good suggestions for places to take a girl for a couple of nights. Jardin might be too far-but its on the list. Guatape is the popular spot. There's got to be other cool romantic spots outside the city for a night or 2??[/QUOTE]If stairs don't bother you, the place I just stayed at might be worth considering. The big downside is that it's on the 5th floor with no elevator. Nice sized balcony, jacuzzi just off the balcony, 3 bedrooms, 3 baths. It's in a quiet, safe area at the south end of Envigado. I think it cost me about $60 per night.

The other downside, at least for you, is the lack of security. There is a locked door at the entrance to the building and you can buzz in any guests (which beats going down and back up the stairs). For me, I preferred that because at one point I had 4 girls come over to hangout and eat pizza. Would have sucked to have a security guard tell me I could only have 1 or 2 at a time.

It's listed as La Esencia apartment on Booking.

[QUOTE=ErrolFlynn;2578685]If you don't speak Spanish, an English speaking guide with a car is a good way to see the sights (maybe not negotiate as much as safely get you places). Most normal Colombians are decent people. And most Colombian males have no problem with our hobby.

There is a list in the "Medellin Guides. " section (surprise surprise). I personally like Jimmy (a former NYC cabbie) although it's been many years since I used him.

When you're done, WRITE A REPORT. You owe us now.[/QUOTE]👍.

Well said.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2578612]The word is definitely out about Medellin worldwide and I believe a lot of the mongers whose preference is Asia have been and are coming here now..[/QUOTE]You do a great job promoting it jajaja you should get on the payroll for the Plaza Botero Puta Chamber of Commerce jajajaaja.

In any case I spent 6 weeks in Col and I like it, I love Asians P4P scene and the putas there but if it doesn't reopen for another year or doesn't rebound for a few years, I won't be that upset.

Asia is a very long flight, and I am not a big fan of the jungle heat and humidity 24/7 or the monster cockroaches and monster sized rats.

Colombia is good, its not perfect, my biggest issue is the espanol, not sure how easily I can pick up a new language at my age?

I think Latinas / Latinos are much much nicer people if you ask me then say those in the Land of fake smiles jajajaja.

I am white, I don't think many non sex workers in Asia like whites that much? But I don't get that vibe in Latin America, in fact its the exact opposite.

I feel very very welcome!!

Medellin has metro and Uber that makes it easy to get around town. I have used guides and guided tour for sight seeing. I use trip advisor for that.

[QUOTE=HoyaDay;2578514]Would it be reasonable to hire a guide to take me to relevant places for a non Spanish speaking gringo. We had something like that in Cuba who would also drive us and negotiate prices. If so does anybody know of a reputable person. Looks like someone in other forums is offering similar services too.[/QUOTE]Most established places have a fixed price. You can read this list to get an idea. If you go to El Centro, even if you are being over charged double, it is still only about 60 mil, probably still cheaper than hiring a guide and you will experience something new. I am not sure a guide will be helpful in negotiating price in Gusto. Someone else can chime in, does this fall into a gray area that is similar to hiring a pimp?

[B]Medellin Map and List[/B]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2561559]

I checked all the places I could find and added dates to them.

So, Come on guys give us the latest's information on each Place.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&mid=1UxdkQ9-vm36hqZmjE87YQcheNFdWBiKd&ll=6.224431961843611%2C-75.55156482421874&z=13[/URL][/QUOTE]You can also check out Mansion where you can meet other mongers and learn things from.

[QUOTE=Mansion;982880]

Here is the website. It has room rates and the phone number.

[url]http://www.medellinmansion.com/[/url]
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[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2578364]I rapidly ready your post a few times and I can't tell for sure who is flying from where to meet where. Doesn't really matter too much, the advice is the same.

You are over-committed with a girl you barely know and already admitted to having communication issues. Really bad idea. The kind of meeting you are describing is something you build up to with someone you have gotten to know over time and or fucked before, or is a high priced escort which defeats the purpose of being in Colombia in the first place, IMO. Within ten minutes of being in the same room, IF she even shows, you might find out you don't like each other, or worse, as she might have criminal intentions as in drug you or steal from you.

AND the counterpoint, it is totally unnecessary. Once you find yourself in Medellin, there is a smorgasboard of girls awaiting you and all different kinds of ways to meet them. I know you wrote you would not be interested in other chicas but that is a counter productive viewpoint, once you are here. Flying to Medellin with the plan to meet one chica only is like going to DisneyWorld to pay for the parking and then never getting out of your car..[/QUOTE][QUOTE=JjBee62;2578418]If you've been lurking on the forum for a couple of months you already know the answer to your question, since this subject gets beaten to death about 4 times a year.

1. Exchanging Instagram accounts isn't trading contact information. If she was giving you her contact information you would have her Whatsapp. Giving you her Instagram is the same as a stripper telling you that you can come and see her at the strip club.

2. While it may seem so, webcam models are no different from any other girl. They're not more exotic, more interesting or more desirable. They're just normal, average Colombian girls who work on webcam instead of somewhere else. I speak from the experience of sharing an apartment with a Colombian webcam model for 9 months in Medellin.

3. You're a customer. If you support her frequently on webcam, if you're entertaining and interesting, you might become a preferred customer, but you will always be a customer. If she agrees to do what you want her to do, it's only because the money you're spending makes it a good business decision.

4. There are thousands of women in Medellin who will happily do what you are trying to do. And it's an incredibly bad idea to do it with any of them. It's simple, you have zero knowledge of any of them. You don't know whether or not they will perform to your standards, whether they'll do the things you want and whether they'll make it enjoyable. You sample first. Try a girl for an hour, then for a few hours and then for longer. Committing to anything longer than a short date is almost certainly a mistake.

5. You're obviously not interested in making your proposition workable. If you were committed to it, your first question would have been about learning enough Spanish to communicate with the girl. While it's possible to get by without Spanish, spending several days alone with another person, when neither of you speaks the other's language gets tedious very quickly..[/QUOTE]Thank you so much for the wake up call guys. Time for me to shut the hell up and go back to lurking. I don't think I'm overcommitted (you guys definitely saved me from it though!) because ultimately, spending $100 to fly a girl over from Bogota or wherever the fuck is no big deal. Funny thing about Whatsapp is that exchanging that was actually my initial suggestion to her but she told me that it charges her too much data (which I knew was bullshit) and opted for Instagram instead. Her Instagram is definitely a promotional work account rather than her personal, so that already lowered my expectations and led me to turn to you guys. Only reason I was still semi-curious is because I barely spent like $3 worth of tokens I had left over on the cam site from months ago on her which I told her were my last and she understood & was still intrigued in the logistics / planning of the trip rather than trying to squeeze more cash out of me.

I just pray that Colombian girls are as good at making you feel *that* way (you guys know what I'm talking about) irl as they are on camming sites.

And don't worry guys, I won't be the stupid fuck going there expecting everyone to speak English. As I said, I'm still a couple months away from the trip so I am going to at least make an attempt to learn a bit of Spanish before my departure. I have a feeling that the Chicas who speak only Spanish fuck better than bilingual girls anyhow.

Thanks again for taking the time to educate and write such extensive replies!

Hey Surfer500,

Always happy to read when you mention the swimming piece. I asked you a while back about swimming venues.

Finally, after 23 years of absence, I will be returning to Medellin (2nd and 3rd week) and give it another try.

Am 49 from Switzerland, fluent in various languages, open minded, chilled and a streetwalker rat.

Let me know if you are interested in hooking up for some laps in the pool and a subsequent centro stroll (bills on me.

I travelled extensively in the Caribbean, South America and Africa (last 16 years exclusively in East Africa) and am happy to share great stories.

As you may can imagine, I am interested to get good intel from a vet while my boots are on the ground. I would be damned thrilled and appreciative if you have some time to spare. If not, I do understand, my approach seem to come across a bit odd.

Thanks and cheers my fellow swimmer.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2578678]Of course it is a horrible investment to hoard currency, especially if it is not a major currency. That post was spot on. The people in these countries are trying to hoard USD, Euro, GBP. Meanwhile outsiders are trying to hoard COP.[/QUOTE]You should have around $100 in pesos on hand though every time you come to Colombia just to pay for the taxi especially if your flight is delayed late at night and no currency exchange is available.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2578426]Maybe they have some salons inside? I go in and what do you know on the 1st floor they have a nail salon, I go in and ask the girl.

If they do massage she says yes, 70 mil I think hell yes, there were 2 girls her and another around 20 yo so I thought I will get 1 of the 2..[/QUOTE]Did you get the address of this nail salon?

[QUOTE=HoLover1;2578779]Did you get the address of this nail salon?[/QUOTE]Send me a PM.

[QUOTE=Bastardito;2578760]

Thanks and cheers my fellow swimmer.[/QUOTE]I met up with the Masters swimming team, and had a great time swimming their workouts with them. They swim in the aquatic complex at Estadio. Great folks and very welcoming. I'm taking my vacation to Cartagena this year, but next time I'm in Medellin I plan to swim with them again!

[QUOTE=Bastardito;2578760]Hey Surfer500,

Always happy to read when you mention the swimming piece. I asked you a while back about swimming venues.

Finally, after 23 years of absence, I will be returning to Medellin (2nd and 3rd week) and give it another try.


As you may can imagine, I am interested to get good intel from a vet while my boots are on the ground. I would be damned thrilled and appreciative if you have some time to spare. If not, I do understand, my approach seem to come across a bit odd.

Thanks and cheers my fellow swimmer.[/QUOTE]Send me a PM a few days before you arrive, and if I'm in town I will gladly meet up with you to swim some laps. And afterwards, we can hit El Centro and ride some of the Chicas!

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2578767]You should have around $100 in pesos on hand though every time you come to Colombia just to pay for the taxi especially if your flight is delayed late at night and no currency exchange is available.[/QUOTE]The current taxi fare is 80,000 pesos to Poblado, I think you meant to say 100,000 Pesos.

[QUOTE=RedWaters44;2578735] I have a feeling that the Chicas who speak only Spanish fuck better than bilingual girls anyhow.![/QUOTE]You got that right!

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2578686]If stairs don't bother you, the place I just stayed at might be worth considering. The big downside is that it's on the 5th floor with no elevator. Nice sized balcony, jacuzzi just off the balcony, 3 bedrooms, 3 baths. It's in a quiet, safe area at the south end of Envigado. I think it cost me about $60 per night.

The other downside, at least for you, is the lack of security. There is a locked door at the entrance to the building and you can buzz in any guests (which beats going down and back up the stairs). For me, I preferred that because at one point I had 4 girls come over to hangout and eat pizza. Would have sucked to have a security guard tell me I could only have 1 or 2 at a time.

It's listed as La Esencia apartment on Booking.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a nice set up with three bedrooms.

So when you had the four girls come over to hangout and eat pizza, I'm assuming you banged each one of them, maybe even did some muff diving, and perhaps had two or three of them waiting their turn in one of the other two bedrooms while you were busy.

This is what I would of done! LOL.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2578697]You do a great job promoting it jajaja you should get on the payroll for the Plaza Botero Puta Chamber of Commerce jajajaaja.

In any case I spent 6 weeks in Col and I like it, I love Asians P4P scene and the putas there but if it doesn't reopen for another year or doesn't rebound for a few years, I won't be that upset.

Asia is a very long flight, and I am not a big fan of the jungle heat and humidity 24/7 or the monster cockroaches and monster sized rats.

Colombia is good, its not perfect, my biggest issue is the espanol, not sure how easily I can pick up a new language at my age?

I think Latinas / Latinos are much much nicer people if you ask me then say those in the Land of fake smiles jajajaja.

I am white, I don't think many non sex workers in Asia like whites that much? But I don't get that vibe in Latin America, in fact its the exact opposite.

I feel very very welcome!![/QUOTE]As soon as Bangkok and Pattaya in Thailand opens fully back up, I'll be back!

So very different than Colombia for sure, and so exotic and off the wall. I've always had a great time pulling walkers off the street in front of the Nana Plaza in Bangkok and off of Beach road in Pattaya.

The flight is a pain in the ass for sure, but if you go business class not so bad. Other big differences of course are the language, I never have had any issues there as English is widely spoken so that is a big difference with Colombia, and of course it's much safer there as well. And as far Asians in Asia not liking non-Asians, very true indeed.

And the Philippines, well that's a whole different story, probably more like Colombia in some ways, and I've enjoyed myself there as well and will go back as soon as it opens back up as well.

But for now, Medellin is my home base.

[QUOTE=RedWaters44;2578735]Thanks again for taking the time to educate and write such extensive replies![/QUOTE]Another user here named Orgasmico wrote, "Everything is negotiable. Success depends on you. No one can tell you how successful you will be."

As long as you stay safe, no one else gets hurt, and you can look in the mirror and honestly feel no regrets, then it's all good. Have fun.

Guys here usually say never send a chica money. I took a chance one time and sent a little honey 150 mil COP, a measly 40 bucks. In hindsight, I believe she was telling the truth because no asks for such a small amount of money if they are running a scam. The real reason I believed her, the payoff was there when I flew to see her a week later in Bogota, and her gratefulness was worth five times more than the 150 mil COP I fronted her, and she was one of the hottest chicas I ever banged in my life.

Ill be in MDE this Tuesday 6/13/21 (1st time) anyone there and wants to meet up for a cold one and maybe hit some places pm me. I am fluent in espanol.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2578205]Are you saying the bags of water are safe to drink? I would like to know.

I remember the first time I saw a little bag of water in Medellin, and thinking how strange.[/QUOTE]Very safe indeed, Coca Cola has a big market share of the bagged water market in Colombia.

[QUOTE=HotelAl;2578953]Ill be in MDE this Tuesday 6/13/21 (1st time) anyone there and wants to meet up for a cold one and maybe hit some places pm me. I am fluent in espanol.[/QUOTE]Are you going back in time? June 13th was a month ago.

[QUOTE=HoyaDay;2578514]Would it be reasonable to hire a guide to take me to relevant places for a non Spanish speaking gringo. We had something like that in Cuba who would also drive us and negotiate prices. If so does anybody know of a reputable person. Looks like someone in other forums is offering similar services too.[/QUOTE]Well you could go to "Real City Tours" and take the walking tour which is all in the El Centro area. They have other tours as well.

[URL]https://realcitytours.com[/URL]

They have a guide and you will be in a group of some number of people. The tour is in English. You will spend about 4 hours going through the downtown area and learning a lot about the history of Medellin. Best of all they don't charge for the tour but at the end they will ask for a "donation" and I think everyone gives 25-30 mil. I found it interesting and well worth the investment in time and the very inexpensive cost.

It's convenient to have a few pesos on hand so you can proceed out of the terminal immediately after you clear customs but $100 in pesos is more than I think anyone needs. The bus into town costs 13,000 pesos. There is free WIFI in the airport. You can use it to order an uber, Didi, or yellow taxi (Coopebombas), all of which accept charge cards. All that aside, the central question I have is what would prevent anyone from using one of the 10 or so ATM machines that are available 24/7 in the terminal?

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2578767]You should have around $100 in pesos on hand though every time you come to Colombia just to pay for the taxi especially if your flight is delayed late at night and no currency exchange is available.[/QUOTE]

Wanted to know if anyone can recommend few more places other than the usual (New life, energy, loutron, fas dos, la lsia, barra ejecutiva, etc).

I know World 69 map has most of places but any feedback will be appreciated.

And, is there other club other than Gusto that have working girls are available around Parque Lleras?

Read post where some beer club might have some but wanted to confirm.

Will be in Medellin next week so feel free to shoot me a message if anyone wants to grab a beer and try few places.

[QUOTE=HotelAl;2578953]Ill be in MDE this Tuesday 6/13/21 (1st time) anyone there and wants to meet up for a cold one and maybe hit some places pm me. I am fluent in espanol.[/QUOTE]I think you missed your flight in June (6), LOL.

How is knowledge of Spanish more of a concern for you than knowledge of Asian languages? Is English more widely spoken in places you frequent in Asia than it is in Colombia?

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2578697]You do a great job promoting it jajaja you should get on the payroll for the Plaza Botero Puta Chamber of Commerce jajajaaja.

In any case I spent 6 weeks in Col and I like it, I love Asians P4P scene and the putas there but if it doesn't reopen for another year or doesn't rebound for a few years, I won't be that upset.

Asia is a very long flight, and I am not a big fan of the jungle heat and humidity 24/7 or the monster cockroaches and monster sized rats.

Colombia is good, its not perfect, my biggest issue is the espanol, not sure how easily I can pick up a new language at my age?[/QUOTE]

A little more perspective for the guys with sugar babies (not that it will make any difference). Quote from an article on the Colombians responsible for killing the PM of Haiti.

"A former officer in Colombia's army, who asked not to be identified, said that a mercenary who traveled abroad could easily be paid about $2,700 a month, compared with a military salary of about $300 a month even for soldiers with years of combat experience."

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2578807]The current taxi fare is 80,000 pesos to Poblado, I think you meant to say 100,000 Pesos.[/QUOTE]No 100 dollars = 380,000 at the current rate and that should be enough to get the taxi ride and a few necessities, even if you arrive late and don't want to visit an ATM in the dark hours.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2579020]A little more perspective for the guys with sugar babies (not that it will make any difference). Quote from an article on the Colombians responsible for killing the PM of Haiti.

"A former officer in Colombia's army, who asked not to be identified, said that a mercenary who traveled abroad could easily be paid about $2,700 a month, compared with a military salary of about $300 a month even for soldiers with years of combat experience."[/QUOTE]You do not want to get on the bad side of Colombians. They play hardball, as do Mexicans.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2578686]If stairs don't bother you, the place I just stayed at might be worth considering. The big downside is that it's on the 5th floor with no elevator. Nice sized balcony, jacuzzi just off the balcony, 3 bedrooms, 3 baths. It's in a quiet, safe area at the south end of Envigado. I think it cost me about $60 per night.

The other downside, at least for you, is the lack of security. There is a locked door at the entrance to the building and you can buzz in any guests (which beats going down and back up the stairs). For me, I preferred that because at one point I had 4 girls come over to hangout and eat pizza. Would have sucked to have a security guard tell me I could only have 1 or 2 at a time.

It's listed as La Esencia apartment on Booking.[/QUOTE]I will look into it.

Found another good option on Air bnb.

Torn on how important security is in the building for me.

The office of the mayor of Medellin sponsored a day long cultural event in Plaza Botero. While crawling along my usual paths yesterday I was struck by the high quantity of civilians and the higher than normal quantity of providers. Many of the regulars were forced behind and alongside the church because more than half the plaza was blocked by stages and lighting platforms. A small orchestra and several other bands performed. An artist created a large chalk drawing in the open area between the museum and the Palacio de la Cultura. The weather was pleasant. I can confirm Surfer's observations about the sheer number of girls out, including some new faces. I expect it will be even more noticeable when the stage and performance equipment are gone.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2578856] And as far Asians in Asia not liking non-Asians, very true indeed..[/QUOTE]Yes I was in Col for 6 weeks and they are very very nice people, I felt genuinely liked by them and I genuinely liked them in return.

Even if I didn't like the p4 p I'm sure I would still return to visit.

I really need to see the rest of SA (Lima Santiago Argentina Brasil Montevideo Caracas) Punta Del Este anyone??

It depresses me to think about Nana on a Friday or Sat night, I sure hope it survives the Chinese / CCP virus.

Post-script.

Business class to BKK= very smart monger!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2579020]A little more perspective for the guys with sugar babies (not that it will make any difference). Quote from an article on the Colombians responsible for killing the PM of Haiti.

"A former officer in Colombia's army, who asked not to be identified, said that a mercenary who traveled abroad could easily be paid about $2,700 a month, compared with a military salary of about $300 a month even for soldiers with years of combat experience."[/QUOTE]And that $300/ month is easily more than the typical Colombian makes.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2579022]No 100 dollars = 380,000 at the current rate and that should be enough to get the taxi ride and a few necessities, even if you arrive late and don't want to visit an ATM in the dark hours.[/QUOTE]Actually 380,000 COP will get you ten fucks including the room in El Centro, but after deducting 80,000 COP for the taxi ride your down to nine fucks, or perhaps I should say the "necessities".

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2579019]Is English more widely spoken in places you frequent in Asia than it is in Colombia?[/QUOTE]In Thailand the majority of the working women speak English. I have never ever had an issue there related to not being able to communicate with people, versus here in Medellin and struggling at times trying to understand.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2578212]The price of cop is dropping nicely.

Does anyone know of a cost effective way to buy cop online and have it delivered FedEx to your casa in USA?

I looked at Chase Citi and BofA and some BS online currency services but the rates are all shitty.

I would like to get 5000-10000 usd its getting close to 4000.[/QUOTE]No one can predict the future, but in all likelihood, the Col Peso will continue to weaken in the near future. The country is in desperate condition. I'd be more worried about things devolving back to the violence pre-2000 than about the currency strengthening.

Between trips, I wouldn't hold more than 100 mil or so Pesos.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2579031]The office of the mayor of Medellin sponsored a day long cultural event in Plaza Botero. While crawling along my usual paths yesterday I was struck by the high quantity of civilians and the higher than normal quantity of providers. Many of the regulars were forced behind and alongside the church because more than half the plaza was blocked by stages and lighting platforms. A small orchestra and several other bands performed. An artist created a large chalk drawing in the open area between the museum and the Palacio de la Cultura. The weather was pleasant. I can confirm Surfer's observations about the sheer number of girls out, including some new faces. I expect it will be even more noticeable when the stage and performance equipment are gone.[/QUOTE][URL]https://feastio.com/best-restaurants-medellin/[/URL]

How about the Mercado Del Rio?

[QUOTE=Combo;2579066]No one can predict the future, but in all likelihood, the Col Peso will continue to weaken in the near future. The country is in desperate condition. I'd be more worried about things devolving back to the violence pre-2000 than about the currency strengthening.

Between trips, I wouldn't hold more than 100 mil or so Pesos.[/QUOTE]But I have more than 100 mil in my wallet and I'm in Chicago jajaja.

I have lots of foreign cash in my desk, Russian, Euros, Thb PHP MEX COP.

I think its cheaper to save it for a next visit then to pay to cash it back after you just paid to switch it.

Best to wait until one thinks the COP has hit bottom then buy a bunch.

If I lived there I would get 50-100 kusd when that happens jajajaja.

And just redeposit it like Surf suggests.

How about the security condition there? I saw several videos showing that 4-10 punk kids chalking and attacking pedestrians, including olds and women, to steal $2-10. Other people, 20-50 people, did nothing and they were just watching the robberies. I don't know if one victim got killed or not. My friends who live at the Botero area witnessed the robberies in the videos and told me that there are many robberies days and nights now.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2577765]Since I've been diagnosed on this board with Dunning Krueger syndrome, along with others, I'm having difficulty comprehending what I have been observing over the last four days being at ground zero most days from about 10 AM until 7 PM. Before the arrival of the Venezuelans, there were few if any girls out working in the mornings, now there's quite a few out at 10 AM, and primarily Venezuelans.

On Tuesday I went with one of my new spinners, a Colombiana, who has only been working for three months in El Centro. Compared to all the other girls working the streets I would peg her at in the lower bracket of the upper third of Chicas beauty wise working the streets, when I took her, she was happy, but very sad telling me how hard it was to get clients, and how the Venezuelans where driving the prices down. She also said that she has noticed a large increase in the amount of girls working over the last three months which has also been noticed by others as evidenced by the herds and groupies of girls, primarily the Venezuelans..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2578438]I'm thinking back to the guys who stocked up on pesos last year when the rate went from 3000 to 3500. About 10 days later it was 4400.

I'm not the ISG investment guru, but it seems like a bad investment to me. Sure you might get a better rate today than you can get next year, but even if you do, you've lost the use of that capital until you manage to spend enough time in Colombia to go through a ridiculous amount of pesos. $5,000-$10,000 worth? I just spent 23 days, rented a car for 12 days, spent 11 extra days in an expensive airport hotel, and splurged when hanging out with my friends, plus encountered about $700 of other unexpected costs and still spent less than $3500.

Then there's the risk. Personally I'm uncomfortable carrying around enough cash for a Colombian to buy 2 houses.

If I was tight with my money, never overpaying, and all that, I could easily stretch $5,000 to last 2 months, probably 3.[/QUOTE]Great advice as always. It may seem cheap now, but it can get cheaper; seems to be the pattern in Latin America: Venezuela - Argentina - Colombia (next)? The government would likely have to print more money which will devalue the currency further. I read somewhere that only 1.6 m Colombians pay income taxes out of a population of 50 m.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2579019]How is knowledge of Spanish more of a concern for you than knowledge of Asian languages? Is English more widely spoken in places you frequent in Asia than it is in Colombia?[/QUOTE]English is definitely more widely spoken in Asia than in Colombia. You would have to go well off the beaten tourist path in Asia to be desperate to know what someone was saying.

Funny thing that happens to me a lot. When I am somewhere that I speak the local language I guess people look at me and assume I do not. Because when I start talking to them in Spanish or Thai or Portuguese or French, the first thing they say is I don't speak English. I will say but I am speaking in Spanish, etc. They are not listening for me to speak their language, they are just waiting for their turn to say they do not speak what they assume to be mine.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2579074]But I have more than 100 mil in my wallet and I'm in Chicago jajaja.

I have lots of foreign cash in my desk, Russian, Euros, Thb PHP MEX COP.

I think its cheaper to save it for a next visit then to pay to cash it back after you just paid to switch it.

Best to wait until one thinks the COP has hit bottom then buy a bunch.

If I lived there I would get 50-100 kusd when that happens jajajaja.

And just redeposit it like Surf suggests.[/QUOTE]Agreed. I just threw out 100 k as a general minimal amount. I certainly don't cash out my FX back into USD when returning to the US, so I have odd amounts of Col Peso, Brasilian Real, etc.

Good luck calling a bottom (or top) in any currency, stock, or other asset.

I'm also in and from Chicago.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2578956]Very safe indeed, Coca Cola has a big market share of the bagged water market in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Probably it was the drugs, jaja.

I posted the first photo earlier writing that this chica from Cali had as good a body and sweet pussy as I have ever pressed but the original foto didn't show her boobs. Then I stumbled across these two photos of her spectacular boobs. Her face is cute, a solid 7, but dayummm, her body and her pussy were a 9.5. Unfortunately, she is the craziest girl I've ever banged in Colombia to the point of being unstable so no plans to repeat. Depends how horny I get for that body and pussy. She asked me to fly her to MDE a bunch of times. I have her blocked now because all her communications degraded into tirades, but we have been thru several cycles of that over the past two years. Always interesting to learn about oneself and how much I will put up with for some exceptional poontang, jaja.

That's a vanilla soft serve ice cream cone in her hand in the one photo.

I know I'm not Brad Pitt but it annoys me when girl takes her phone out to arrange her other appointments. I'm thinking then inside my head: WTF wait till our session is over. I never say anything, I don't know if it's worth it.

Has anyone been to adult movie theaters and gotten to have sex or fool around with a girl? I'm thinking of bringing a friend and was curious if I could have sex in the theater.

I asked her about regular movie theaters and she said they have cameras watching.

[QUOTE=Jbj64;2579097]Has anyone been to adult movie theaters and gotten to have sex or fool around with a girl? ...[/QUOTE]Do they even exist?

[QUOTE=Balboa;2579011]I think you missed your flight in June (6), LOL.[/QUOTE]LMA0. I ment July 13th.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2578856]As soon as Bangkok and Pattaya in Thailand opens fully back up, I'll be back![/QUOTE]"Flight booked for Medellin! This is going to improve my mood by leaps and bounds. Before I discovered Medellin, I was aiming for SE Asia, Cambodia or Laos (Thailand is great place to visit, but the time to move there has passed). The girls, the lifestyle, the cost of living are about the same in Colombia and SE Asia. Well, the Colombian and Venezuelan girls are way better looking in the face, and if big boobs and asses are your thang, those are harder to find in SE Asia. The other HUGE differences are travel time, cost of travel, and language. I will leave here at 7 AM and have boots on the ground in Medellin by 1 PM, for 20 K freq flier miles. And learning Spanish is a helluva lot easier than any Asian language. However, a lot more English is spoken in Thailand than in Colombia, not as sure about Cambodia, I never got embedded. And it takes two days get there, and tons of jet lag. Medellin is in the same time zone as us, and when I am not using freq flier miles, tickets are in the low hundreds, not thousands".

Gratuitous fotos.

[QUOTE=ErrolFlynn;2578685]If you don't speak Spanish, an English speaking guide with a car is a good way to see the sights (maybe not negotiate as much as safely get you places). Most normal Colombians are decent people. And most Colombian males have no problem with our hobby.

There is a list in the "Medellin Guides. " section (surprise surprise). I personally like Jimmy (a former NYC cabbie) although it's been many years since I used him.

When you're done, WRITE A REPORT. You owe us now.[/QUOTE]Thank you.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2579073][URL]https://feastio.com/best-restaurants-medellin/[/URL]

How about the Mercado Del Rio?[/QUOTE]The restaurants at Mercado del Río are pretty good, but nothing spectacular. There's also Mercado de Tranvía up the hill from El Centro. Same owners, similar restaurants. Just take the Tranvía from the San Antonio station.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2579098]Do they even exist?[/QUOTE]There was one in Bogota. I don't know if it's still there.

[QUOTE=Jbj64;2579097]Has anyone been to adult movie theaters and gotten to have sex or fool around with a girl? I'm thinking of bringing a friend and was curious if I could have sex in the theater.

I asked her about regular movie theaters and she said they have cameras watching.[/QUOTE]Not in Medellin, but I did it once in a regular movie theater in the US with a sugar baby. It was our first date. The place wasn't full, and there was no one with in 4 seats of us to sides. She put her jacket in her lap and I finger fucked her and made her cum. After the movie, she blew me in the car and swallowed the load. It was pretty exciting with the fear of getting caught. LOL.

[QUOTE=SilverTurtle;2579082]How about the security condition there? I saw several videos showing that 4-10 punk kids chalking and attacking pedestrians, including olds and women, to steal $2-10. Other people, 20-50 people, did nothing and they were just watching the robberies. I don't know if one victim got killed or not. My friends who live at the Botero area witnessed the robberies in the videos and told me that there are many robberies days and nights now.[/QUOTE]That area is a major tourist attraction. It should be safe if you see many tourists and police around unless you standout for some reason to make people target you. If you don't see police and is not sure, then it is better to leave the area.

I think the situation you mention is when the police were not there during the protest period. Some robbers were caught recently, the mayor had an announcement out a few days ago.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2579098]Do they even exist?[/QUOTE]It does in Bangkok but it is filthy.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2579064]In Thailand the majority of the working women speak English. I have never ever had an issue there related to not being able to communicate with people, versus here in Medellin and struggling at times trying to understand.[/QUOTE]I met one who did not speak English and the first sentence she spoke after entering my room was "I don't speak English" in English. And I replied that "I don't speak Thai" in Thai back to her. haha

Thanks for that, I had no way to know. I might be the only member of this forum who has been to Thailand but has never been with a provider there. It was years ago but the frustration still lingers. It was the only time I could not get away from colleagues during a business trip long enough to have some fun.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2579064]In Thailand the majority of the working women speak English. I have never ever had an issue there related to not being able to communicate with people, versus here in Medellin and struggling at times trying to understand.[/QUOTE]

Found a girl on Facebook: Dulce Miel (Sweet Honey). Amazing body. Almost too good to be true. We've been messaging. Anyone have any inside intel. On her?

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[QUOTE=BlackThought;2579088]r. I read somewhere that only 1.6 m Colombians pay income taxes out of a population of 50 m.[/QUOTE]And of the ones that do pay income taxes, most lie and cheat about their income and expenses because the taxation rates are so high. DIAN, the Colombian governments equivalent to the IRS levies a 35% tax, as an example, on income properties of the net profits after all expenses. Hence the property owners lie about what the expenses and income are, and a good Colombian accountant will know how to play within the DIAN system, knowing what type of percentages within a range that DIAN would be looking for in taxes. DIAN also has "wealth tax" adding more taxes on those individuals with a net worth as measured by their criteria for anyone worth more than 5 Billion pesos. And as far as those who pay no income taxes, meaning basically every single Colombian, they are all hit with the IVA tax on consumption items that Dugue tried to change besides other things resulting in all the upheavels in the Country.

I've never stayed at the mansion but thinking about it for my next trip. A couple questions. At the pool, are the girls allowed to go topless or naked? Can guests play with the girls at the pool or do you have to conduct any sex acts in the room?

[QUOTE=JamesPearle;2579413]I've never stayed at the mansion but thinking about it for my next trip. A couple questions. At the pool, are the girls allowed to go topless or naked? Can guests play with the girls at the pool or do you have to conduct any sex acts in the room?[/QUOTE]I regret to report that (at least during my 5 day stay at the Mansion back in early 2020), behavior poolside was pretty sedate. From at least late morning on, one would usually find 4 to 8 guys / gals seated on comfortable benches grouped facing each other in a shaded corner of the modest -sized patio in which the pool itself is located. A comfortable, relaxed setting for chatting up a few working girls, but no nudity (partial or full) or even public making-out that I can recall. One would normally have to take a chica aside elsewhere (E. G the adjoining lobby area) for a private conversation about prices and services. The pool itself is small and barebones, and I don't remember seeing anyone making the plunge.

Perhaps another BM who has stayed there had a different experience and can provide a more encouraging response to your query.

[QUOTE=JamesPearle;2579413]I've never stayed at the mansion but thinking about it for my next trip. A couple questions. At the pool, are the girls allowed to go topless or naked? Can guests play with the girls at the pool or do you have to conduct any sex acts in the room?[/QUOTE]There is no nudity at the pool. They get complaints from the neighbors as it is. At night in the bar there will be strip shows and some girls will sometimes get a little more wild, especially if guys are tipping them to do so.

Hey gents,

Going to Medellin on Thursday and besides my usual routine (Lleras girls, El Centro, and strip clubs) I would like to explore non-pro and semi-pro scenes. I'm working a couple of Tinder girls, but we all know how flaky they are, so two girls is nothing. My Spanish is extremely limited but it won't stop me LOL. I will be staying in Laureles this time. So what are my options besides Tinder? Any bars / clubs / malls / parks / etc with non-pros you would recommend? Tinder tips would also be appreciated.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2579371]Found a girl on Facebook: Dulce Miel (Sweet Honey). Amazing body. Almost too good to be true. We've been messaging. Anyone have any inside intel. On her?[/QUOTE]She's just a scammer trying to get guys to send her money. Her Facebook story every day is 1 picture, 1 screen that asks who can do her a favor at the Olimpico supermarket and 1 screen that says "I need money. " There is another girl, although I don't recall her name who posts the same thing (with picture of a different girl). I tried more than a year ago to get a video call or a specific picture which would prove who I was talking to, with no luck.

That makes me believe that both girls are just a collection of pictures some guy is using to get gringos to send him money.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2579439]I regret to report that (at least during my 5 day stay at the Mansion back in early 2020), behavior poolside was pretty sedate. From at least late morning on, one would usually find 4 to 8 guys / gals seated on comfortable benches grouped facing each other in a shaded corner of the modest -sized patio in which the pool itself is located. A comfortable, relaxed setting for chatting up a few working girls, but no nudity (partial or full) or even public making-out that I can recall. One would normally have to take a chica aside elsewhere (E. G the adjoining lobby area) for a private conversation about prices and services. The pool itself is small and barebones, and I don't remember seeing anyone making the plunge.

Perhaps another BM who has stayed there had a different experience and can provide a more encouraging response to your query.[/QUOTE]You are absolutely correct with your statements. I was there in Jan 2021 & again just last week for the 4th July party. No nudity at the pool at all. The water is too cold for most everyone to get in the water anyways. The bar at the pool is finished and is open about noon til 6 pm.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2579019]How is knowledge of Spanish more of a concern for you than knowledge of Asian languages? Is English more widely spoken in places you frequent in Asia than it is in Colombia?[/QUOTE]In BKK I spent 10 weeks and I think I met one puta that didn't speak any English, most people speak at least 10-20% fluency.

In the Philippines English is an official language and it would be tough to find someone in the cities that didn't speak English.

You would have to head deep into the provinces IMO.

Its like in Germany maybe 95% of the putas are Romanian and they are about 99% fluent in ingles.

I met 1 in 10 weeks of FKK Sodom and Gomorrah fucking that spoke zero ingles.

Tijuana and Cancun is doable, they speak just enough to get your money, maybe 10-20% fluency.

In Russia I spent 5 weeks and didn't meet 1 puta that knew 1 damn word of ingles BTW Colombia isn't any better.

Since this topic came up, can anyone say where putas speak English a lot and where they don't? Mr E? How about Rio?

Lima? Argentina? Sao Paulo? Santiago?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2579497]Hey gents,
I would like to explore non-pro and semi-pro scenes.... So what are my options besides Tinder? [/QUOTE]Colombiancupid DOT com Lots of semi pros, I have had a few that just looking for a one time score even, you just need to work the conversation in that direction. "I am not looking for a serious relationship but I will help you. Blah blah blah" and set some boundaries so you do not present yourself as an ATM machine. Seeking Arrangements DOT Com, state what you expect and what you are willing to give, again set your boundaries.

[QUOTE=JamesPearle;2579413]I've never stayed at the mansion but thinking about it for my next trip. A couple questions. At the pool, are the girls allowed to go topless or naked? Can guests play with the girls at the pool or do you have to conduct any sex acts in the room?[/QUOTE]No chicas in bikinis splashing around the pool. In fact it's very rare that anyone even goes in the pool as the water is beyond ice cold. Morever, the whole area by the pool is covered so there is no sunlight.

Guys sit around a table chatting and the girls generally wear jeans. The pool is useless, other than for pictures on the website.

That said, if you want a nice pool, you can walk up the hill to el Castillo (their other house) and use that pool which IMO is quite nice. But it's unlikely there will be any girls hanging out. I generally head up there at least once every visit to enjoy a swim.

[QUOTE=Combo;2579540]No chicas in bikinis splashing around the pool. In fact it's very rare that anyone even goes in the pool as the water is beyond ice cold. Morever, the whole area by the pool is covered so there is no sunlight.

Guys sit around a table chatting and the girls generally wear jeans. The pool is useless, other than for pictures on the website.

That said, if you want a nice pool, you can walk up the hill to el Castillo (their other house) and use that pool which IMO is quite nice. But it's unlikely there will be any girls hanging out. I generally head up there at least once every visit to enjoy a swim.[/QUOTE]For 10 weeks, fucking every single day.

I think he wants Oase, go there ASAP the pool is awesome, I would be in the pool naked with 10 very very hot girls ages 18-19 all naked, playing with a beach ball.

You can fuck any one you want, or all of them at once, you can fuck every puta in the place non stop.

In the pool, on the grass in the hot tub, everywhere and anywhere you want.

I hit several FKKs they are similar but also very different.

I went to do 50 putas for my 50th bday, I had to fly home after 6 weeks for a couple minutes and I flew right back jajaja.

It was good bday gift to myself.

Would I do it again? Probably not.

I'm German but not the biggest fan of Germany, I love BKK, surf called it exotic and off the wall, jajaja.

That's a great way to put it, I love Latinas as well.

FKK doesn't have a lot of Deustch putas, they are mostly Romanian gypsies.

Some are hot and very sweet, many are mercenary savages LOL.

But everyone should check it out at least once YOLO.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2579371]Found a girl on Facebook: Dulce Miel (Sweet Honey). Amazing body. Almost too good to be true. We've been messaging. Anyone have any inside intel. On her?[/QUOTE]I think she told me she was in Armenia not Medellin a while ago.

I am here on the beach on the east coast of Florida for a week. I love coming here to relax, enjoy some seafood, and be right on the beach (which is how I grew up). Today I took a walk on the beach. I admit that it was overcast, so not sunbathing weather. But I was horrified at what I saw. Fat, fat, and more fat. Disgustingly fat. I'm fat too, but at least I have muscular legs and shoulders and don't have that huge beer gut (and I'm talking about women and men here! White, black, hispanic. So many fat. Even the kids are often fat. And the white folks are WHITE. Granted, this is a tourist town and being a Monday, these folks are not local. And because the sun was not out, the typical young local chicas who would normally be tanning were not here today. I thank my lucky stars that I have the time and Money to go to Medellin regularly. Young, hot chicas giving great service.

And a comment about Tinder. I have been "using" it on and off for a few years. What a waste of time! I get lost of messages from the younger chicas (18-24) and, of course, they want more money than I will pay (I laugh and tell them that I've been going to Medellin for 16 years and would never pay what the short-timers or newbies pay). I can count on one hand the number of Tinder chicas I've actually seen in person and most all have been a disappointed. I set my age range from 18-40. And I am sometimes impressed with the chicas in their 30's. But when I message them, they usually do not respond. I imagine they are looking for something more serious and assume that since I'm a gringo, I just want sex. I still swipe from time to time just to see who's one (see a lot of my FB friends on their also), but as far as being something that has yielded a lot of great experiences. Waste of time. If you don't have the time, stick to Centro, FB, casas, or strip clubs (depending on what you like and how much you want to spend) and skip Tinder.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2579520]...Since this topic came up, can anyone say where putas speak English a lot and where they don't? Mr E? How about Rio? Lima? Argentina? Sao Paulo? Santiago?[/QUOTE]I think you listed all the places around the world where English is spoken to a varying degree by working girls. I may add Dubai to that list.

IMO, Rio, Sao Paulo, Buenos Aires are all like Colombia, I. E. Very little English. I have not been to Lima yet but I assume it's the same deal, no English.

[QUOTE=DeepXliv;2579547]I think she told me she was in Armenia not Medellin a while ago.[/QUOTE]If it's a she.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2579562]I think you listed all the places around the world where English is spoken to a varying degree by working girls. I may add Dubai to that list.

IMO, Rio, Sao Paulo, Buenos Aires are all like Colombia, I. E. Very little English. I have not been to Lima yet but I assume it's the same deal, no English.[/QUOTE]Montreal, no Ingles.

Hey guys,

I've been researching but I'm still not quite set on a mongering budget, do you reckon 2 K USD (Flights and accommodation aside ofc) would be doable? BTW I plan on girl a day in centro area as I'll be staying at Nutibara.

Also, it would be helpful to disclose how much you guys budget too, thanks!

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2579499]She's just a scammer trying to get guys to send her money. Her Facebook story every day is 1 picture, 1 screen that asks who can do her a favor at the Olimpico supermarket and 1 screen that says "I need money. " There is another girl, although I don't recall her name who posts the same thing (with picture of a different girl). I tried more than a year ago to get a video call or a specific picture which would prove who I was talking to, with no luck.

That makes me believe that both girls are just a collection of pictures some guy is using to get gringos to send him money.[/QUOTE]When she messaged me that's why I asked about her--my spidey senses knew to stay away.

I'm sticking with my known stable LOL.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2579529]Colombiancupid DOT com Lots of semi pros, I have had a few that just looking for a one time score even, you just need to work the conversation in that direction. "I am not looking for a serious relationship but I will help you. Blah blah blah" and set some boundaries so you do not present yourself as an ATM machine. Seeking Arrangements DOT Com, state what you expect and what you are willing to give, again set your boundaries.[/QUOTE]All women are either pros or semi-pros.

[QUOTE=DeepXliv;2579547]I think she told me she was in Armenia not Medellin a while ago.[/QUOTE]Ditto. Told me she lives in Armenia which is a couple hours south of Medellin.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2579562]I think you listed all the places around the world where English is spoken to a varying degree by working girls. I may add Dubai to that list.

IMO, Rio, Sao Paulo, Buenos Aires are all like Colombia, I. E. Very little English. I have not been to Lima yet but I assume it's the same deal, no English.[/QUOTE]Costa Ricans for the most part are fluent in English. P4P costs a lot more than Colombia tho.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2579371]Found a girl on Facebook: Dulce Miel (Sweet Honey). Amazing body. Almost too good to be true. We've been messaging. Anyone have any inside intel. On her?[/QUOTE]

Not almost too good to be true. Completely too good to be true!

I messaged with her a little a couple years ago. Once I get her on Whatsapp she tried to hit me up for money. Sent me a photo of an empty refrigerator saying her kid was starving, blah blah. (by then I just smelled the scam of course, none of her photos look like Colombia and girls that look like that are rarely lacking work) I brought her to the boards attention like you because I wanted her to be real LOL.

Then I did some Google Image searches if her photos and found images of her scattered on various pages. If you do a google image search of the photo of her ass where "she" is laying on the beach and you cannot see her face and there are a lot of tall buildings and some mountains in the background. That photo search pulls a few dozen copies of that photo from various sites, when I google searched the one where she is in pigtails and looked at 'similar images' I saw the one that is exactly the same and that took me to the Twitter page of "Laury Dyva" AKA Laura Rodriguez.

I do not know who we talk to on messenger but I am fairly sure that the girl in photos is in Paraguay.

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/laurysdyvv/?hl=en[/URL]

[URL]https://twitter.com/laurydyva[/URL]

[URL]http://www.epa.com.py/2020/03/05/laurys-diva-ahora-si-puedo-decir-que-soy-oficialmente-la-reina-de-instagram-en-paraguay/[/URL] (a short video of her talking included here).

I am posting her FB link because the girl essentially tried to scam me a couple of years ago. And the photos are not her, unless you are talking to a different Sweet Honey
[URL]https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.107069920310701&type=3[/URL].

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2579520]

Its like in Germany maybe 95% of the putas are Romanian and they are about 99% fluent in ingles.
[/QUOTE]I found your info accurate except this made me wonder what Germany you went to. I put 2000 km on the rental car driving to the far corners of that country for pussy, and if there was one common theme, it was Romanian women confused as all fuck as to what the hell I was doing there when I can't speak a word of German. They expected me to know at least the basics like to ask for water or say numbers, as they treated English as no less aliens than Mandarin.

I did get good service though, like, i had zero complaints which is supposed to be the opposite of what most say to expect from Romanians

[QUOTE=Parasitius;2579662]I found your info accurate except this made me wonder what Germany you went to. I put 2000 km on the rental car driving to the far corners of that country for pussy, and if there was one common theme, it was Romanian women confused as all fuck as to what the hell I was doing there when I can't speak a word of German. They expected me to know at least the basics like to ask for water or say numbers, as they treated English as no less aliens than Mandarin.

I did get good service though, like, i had zero complaints which is supposed to be the opposite of what most say to expect from Romanians[/QUOTE]What clubs did you go to?

Did you spend time in the Frankfurt clubs? How about NRW?

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2579576]Montreal, no Ingles.[/QUOTE]I mongered in Montreal and Quebec. From my recollection, in Montreal folks spoke English when they wanted to, I. E. Trying to sell you something. Quebec not so much, where I got the feeling that they refuse to speak that language with foreigners. The funny part is that I speak French yet I had a hard time understanding the folks in Quebec. Their French is so old and their accent so different.

[QUOTE=ABizzle;2579579]Hey guys,

I've been researching but I'm still not quite set on a mongering budget, do you reckon 2 K USD (Flights and accommodation aside ofc) would be doable? BTW I plan on girl a day in centro area as I'll be staying at Nutibara.

Also, it would be helpful to disclose how much you guys budget too, thanks![/QUOTE]My standard budget is $100 per day plus airfare and lodging. I rarely spend that much and some days I spend less than $20. However, I'd much rather get towards the end of my stay and have plenty left over than to have to watch every peso for the last week just to have enough left to get to the airport.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2579615]Ditto. Told me she lives in Armenia which is a couple hours south of Medellin.[/QUOTE]Ten hours south of Medellin.

So I decided to try out a Hotel in Poblado as a change up to the Zona Rosa in El Centro. Right now many of the Hotels in Medellin, and I am not talking about the Love Hotels in El Centro, have been heavily discounting their pricing, especially in Poblado. So on Sunday I decided to treat one of my Chicas to an afternoon / evening / morning in Poblado at a Hotel and started searching on booking. I found the Dann Carlton on Avenida Poblado a few blocks down from Calle 10, and very close to Parque Poblado and a few blocks from Lleras. For $ 46 USD I got a room with a king size bed, a nice view, and breakfast for two. The room was nicely appointed, big flat screen, comfy bed with lots of pillows and a good height for doggie as you can stand up at the end of the bed and prop your Chica up with pillows to get the perfect elevation! Nice pool area and they had a sauna as well, with beers at 10 K poolside. I don't now if this is really a Chica friendly hotel or not as I checked in with my Chica, and didn't see any other mongers there. For dinner I went to the Indian restaurant named Zaaika right around the corner on Calle 8 which is the best Indian restaurant in town as far as I am concerned and open on Sundays as well. As an alternative to taking a Chica out of town, this Hotel had a large pool, a heated Jacuzzi, and a steam room. And there are other Hotels in Poblado that do as well. Chicas love hanging at pools, so instead of the hassle of travelling on a bus out of town, it doesn't get much cheaper than this with all the amenities of a resort out of town.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2579626]Not almost too good to be true. Completely too good to be true!

I messaged with her a little a couple years ago. Once I get her on Whatsapp she tried to hit me up for money. Sent me a photo of an empty refrigerator saying her kid was starving, blah blah. (by then I just smelled the scam of course, none of her photos look like Colombia and girls that look like that are rarely lacking work) I brought her to the boards attention like you because I wanted her to be real LOL.

Then I did some Google Image searches if her photos and found images of her scattered on various pages. If you do a google image search of the photo of her ass where "she" is laying on the beach and you cannot see her face and there are a lot of tall buildings and some mountains in the background. That photo search pulls a few dozen copies of that photo from various sites, when I google searched the one where she is in pigtails and looked at 'similar images' I saw the one that is exactly the same and that took me to the Twitter page of "Laury Dyva" AKA Laura Rodriguez..[/QUOTE]It took one reply from her to get my spidey senses buzzing. Something seemed off. Then she messaged me again and I posted here. She is now deleted and blocked for me. I had a feeling-it doesn't take too long to be able to sense the BS from the real.

Now, everyone here should know.

I'll be sticking with my stable and their friends instead of new FB chicas for this trip LOL.

Thanks for the information and the confirmation of my suspicions.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2579735]I mongered in Montreal and Quebec. [/QUOTE]But Montreal is in Quebec. Unless you mean Quebec City.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2579755]Ten hours south of Medellin.[/QUOTE]Well it's 163 miles or 263 kms. I suppose the time to travel it depends on your mode of transportation.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2579788]Well it's 163 miles or 263 kms. I suppose the time to travel it depends on your mode of transportation.[/QUOTE]It's a twisty road!

I have stayed at the Dann Carlton Belfort a few times. I register for two guests. So my first girl each day was free, but if you have a second girl on the same day, the charge was 99 mil. The first girl each day did not have to be the same one.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2579761]So I decided to try out a Hotel in Poblado as a change up to the Zona Rosa in El Centro. Right now many of the Hotels in Medellin, and I am not talking about the Love Hotels in El Centro, have been heavily discounting their pricing, especially in Poblado. So on Sunday I decided to treat one of my Chicas to an afternoon / evening / morning in Poblado at a Hotel and started searching on booking. I found the Dann Carlton on Avenida Poblado a few blocks down from Calle 10, and very close to Parque Poblado and a few blocks from Lleras. For $ 46 USD I got a room with a king size bed, a nice view, and breakfast for two. The room was nicely appointed, big flat screen, comfy bed with lots of pillows and a good height for doggie as you can stand up at the end of the bed and prop your Chica up with pillows to get the perfect elevation! Nice pool area and they had a sauna as well, with beers at 10 K poolside. I don't now if this is really a Chica friendly hotel or not as I checked in with my Chica, and didn't see any other mongers there. For dinner I went to the Indian restaurant named Zaaika right around the corner on Calle 8 which is the best Indian restaurant in town as far as I am concerned and open on Sundays as well. As an alternative to taking a Chica out of town, this Hotel had a large pool, a heated Jacuzzi, and a steam room. And there are other Hotels in Poblado that do as well. Chicas love hanging at pools, so instead of the hassle of travelling on a bus out of town, it doesn't get much cheaper than this with all the amenities of a resort out of town.[/QUOTE]

A Montreal rock club that was very popular during the 1990's was called "Foufounes Electricques". It's not a name that would work in France.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2579735]I mongered in Montreal and Quebec. From my recollection, in Montreal folks spoke English when they wanted to, I. E. Trying to sell you something. Quebec not so much, where I got the feeling that they refuse to speak that language with foreigners. The funny part is that I speak French yet I had a hard time understanding the folks in Quebec. Their French is so old and their accent so different.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ABizzle;2579579]Hey guys,

I've been researching but I'm still not quite set on a mongering budget, do you reckon 2 K USD (Flights and accommodation aside ofc) would be doable? BTW I plan on girl a day in centro area as I'll be staying at Nutibara.

Also, it would be helpful to disclose how much you guys budget too, thanks![/QUOTE]$2,000/30=$66 a day.

That will feed you and get a Centro girl a day for sure.

My budget is usually $200 a day but I like to shop, eat at some nicer restaurants and hit also hit the Hi end strip clubs and the centro clubs and avg 2.5+- girls a day + some day trips / over night girls but I am only there for 6 days usually.

You know I might just try this for a change of pace. I fully agree about Zaaika also. They give nice size portions too.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2579761]So I decided to try out a Hotel in Poblado as a change up to the Zona Rosa in El Centro. Right now many of the Hotels in Medellin, and I am not talking about the Love Hotels in El Centro, have been heavily discounting their pricing, especially in Poblado. So on Sunday I decided to treat one of my Chicas to an afternoon / evening / morning in Poblado at a Hotel and started searching on booking. I found the Dann Carlton on Avenida Poblado a few blocks down from Calle 10, and very close to Parque Poblado and a few blocks from Lleras. For $ 46 USD I got a room with a king size bed, a nice view, and breakfast for two. The room was nicely appointed, big flat screen, comfy bed with lots of pillows and a good height for doggie as you can stand up at the end of the bed and prop your Chica up with pillows to get the perfect elevation! Nice pool area and they had a sauna as well, with beers at 10 K poolside. I don't now if this is really a Chica friendly hotel or not as I checked in with my Chica, and didn't see any other mongers there. For dinner I went to the Indian restaurant named Zaaika right around the corner on Calle 8 which is the best Indian restaurant in town as far as I am concerned and open on Sundays as well. As an alternative to taking a Chica out of town, this Hotel had a large pool, a heated Jacuzzi, and a steam room. And there are other Hotels in Poblado that do as well. Chicas love hanging at pools, so instead of the hassle of travelling on a bus out of town, it doesn't get much cheaper than this with all the amenities of a resort out of town.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2579835]You know I might just try this for a change of pace. I fully agree about Zaaika also. They give nice size portions too.[/QUOTE]I love Zaaika. Great food. Fair price.

I have stayed at a nice enough place in Poblado a few times in the last few years. Some places have full kitchens, balconies, security and about 600 sq feet of space for like 40 bucks a night now. Check out Affinity Aparta Hotel for example.

I think Dan Carlton is no chica fee in the day, but like 30 or 40 bucks if she is there after 9 or 10 pm. I think that's how several of the Poblado hotels are. Makes sense since if a girl is there in the night she is more likely to use things like towels / soaps and other amenities the hotel is paying for, hence the chica fee only at night.

I had to postpone my trip 1 week due to some personal issues. I will be there next week starting Monday July 19. My first trip there. If there is anyone that wants to meet up and go have some cold ones and have some fun, send me a pm.

Question for this August for MDE (and Pereira, Manizales, coffee area): Is there still a curfew or 'pico' regime? Which major public and hobby venues are closed, if any? Will the annual Flower Festival take place in person? (it has been reported that 'yes' 12th to 20th of the month; however, I can't find a schedule or see a confirmation to this fair). Overall I want to access if things have returned to normalcy (pandemic wise) or have not yet.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2579788]Well it's 163 miles or 263 kms. I suppose the time to travel it depends on your mode of transportation.[/QUOTE]Depending on whether or not Google Maps decides to take a detour off road, it's a solid 8 hours.

[QUOTE=Questner;2579865]Question for this August for MDE (and Pereira, Manizales, coffee area): Is there still a curfew or 'pico' regime? Which major public and hobby venues are closed, if any? Will the annual Flower Festival take place in person? (it has been reported that 'yes' 12th to 20th of the month; however, I can't find a schedule or see a confirmation to this fair). Overall I want to access if things have returned to normalcy (pandemic wise) or have not yet.[/QUOTE]Here's your confirmation. [URL]https://www.alertapaisa.com/noticias/valle-de-aburra/la-feria-de-las-flores-2021-no-tendra-restricciones-y-se-realizar-con[/URL].

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2579788]Well it's 163 miles or 263 kms. I suppose the time to travel it depends on your mode of transportation.[/QUOTE]I don't know how long it's been since you've driven it, but it took me 8 hours to get from Pereira to Medellin due to massive construction. Google maps still shows it as being under construction and taking 8 hours. Maybe you know a better route?

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2579788]Well it's 163 miles or 263 kms. I suppose the time to travel it depends on your mode of transportation.[/QUOTE]LOL. You can't drive in Colombia like you do in Missouri. Just because something in only 263 klicks away doesn't mean you can get there driving a steady 70 mph. It's like driving the backroads of Colorado. Figure an average of 35 mph.

[QUOTE=Questner;2579865]Question for this August for MDE (and Pereira, Manizales, coffee area): Is there still a curfew or 'pico' regime? Which major public and hobby venues are closed, if any? Will the annual Flower Festival take place in person? (it has been reported that 'yes' 12th to 20th of the month; however, I can't find a schedule or see a confirmation to this fair). Overall I want to access if things have returned to normalcy (pandemic wise) or have not yet.[/QUOTE]My experience, although it was truncated by Covid, is that mostly things have returned to normal as compared to last November. Almost no place is checking customer temperatures, only a few places require you to use hand sanitizer and less people are wearing masks. The crowds are still not fully returned to Parque Lleras, but it's open late. The Pico and cédula is gone along with the curfew and, while masks are still the norm it's a little more relaxed now.

There are a lot of businesses around Parque Lleras which have closed and not reopened, the same is likely true other places around the city. Overall I'd say it's about 80% back.

I drove through Pereira, but didn't stop. It looked like there were a lot of people out after 8 pm on a Thursday night.

[QUOTE=ABizzle;2579579]Hey guys,

I've been researching but I'm still not quite set on a mongering budget, do you reckon 2 K USD (Flights and accommodation aside ofc) would be doable? BTW I plan on girl a day in centro area as I'll be staying at Nutibara.

Also, it would be helpful to disclose how much you guys budget too, thanks![/QUOTE]Although still cheap by USA standards. I only mention it because you asked about budgeting. Welcome.

How much is an extra fuck or blow job or two per day worth to you? Because it's doable if you stay in a less expensive but still clean and comfortable hotel. Granted, a lot of hotels are deeply discounted now with "Gateway Deals" going on, which supposedly will continue through the end of September. I just checked and rooms at the Nutibara are going for $33 per night for double occupancy (no guest fee for first girl each day) which is a very nice rate. Your call.

I will be staying at a nice property (not in El Centro) with all that I need. I am not looking to monger from my hotel, which has WiFi. 24 hour desk, bar, Two beds, I like to use one bed to lay out my stuff, flat screen satellite TV. I booked single occupancy because the first week I am there I will more than likely be staying with a few different chicas, but for $9 a night it's worth it to have a home base in a safe part of town and not lug all my stuff with me from fuck fest to fuck fest. Once I decide to let mi novia know I am in town, I will switch hotels or at least rooms so when she arrives everything looks fresh and then pay the double occupancy rate.

Consider this, keep your Nutibara room at least for the first couple of nights, and do a little reconnoitering for other hotels during the light of day. There are a lot of hotels on the block behind Nutibara and walking South, toward the business district, toward Simon Bolivar Park. You would not notice a lot of these hotels unless you are looking for them tucked in between the stores and restaurants. I have stuck my head in several and stayed at a few, and there are some gems. Don't continue East or deep straight back from Nutibarra or you will run into one of the most dangerous areas of El Centro, the Venezuelan and tranny district. In other words, don't explore in the direction opposite of Botero Park for more than two blocks. If you start seeing a lot of trannies standing out on the sidewalk, don't freak out but you might want turn around. Unless that's your thing.

If you don't speak Spanish, write a few questions down, "How much is a room? How much is the guest fee? Can I see your best room? Can I have this room if I move in today?" Take a foto of the front of the hotel (always aware of your surroundings, don't get your phone snatched), it's safe to pull your phone out for a quick pic. Write down the answers on the back of a business card from the hotel. Then go back to the comfort and safety of your Nutibara room, and decide if it's worth switching or not. Have fun. Good luck. Worst thing that happens, you get to learn the neighborhood better and you stay put. Even the Vennie section should not give you problems in the light of day if you have street smarts.

Gratuitous fotos, all six fotos are the same chica, and one of my faves in my line-up. Hopefully she will be an early hook up when I return this month. She is sitting on my face and taking selfies in a mirror that I bought at the Dollar Store next door and had hotel maintenance hang. Actual cost of mirror plus install, less than ten bucks. ROI from chicas watching themselves and getting horny, and doing shite like taking videos without my knowledge while sitting on my face, priceless, jajaja.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2578856] And as far Asians in Asia not liking non-Asians, very true indeed.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m4kFbPCd6Q[/URL]

[QUOTE=Questner;2579865]Question for this August for MDE (and Pereira, Manizales, coffee area): Is there still a curfew or 'pico' regime?[/QUOTE]I just got back from Pereira. Don't know how late you plan on hanging out, but things close there pretty early. Not that there is any curfew, but it is not that type of party all night town. It is pretty quiet and people hang out in the squares and parks until about 8:30 or 9 then go in to get ready for the next day.

Clear your private messages, want to check in with you. Thanks.

[QUOTE=AdventureSeekr;2579902]Clear your private messages, want to check in with you. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Ya! Thanks for the heads up.

Bottom line, if you don't mind where your seated, can travel with very little, along with not being served any food and drinks while in flight, Viva is the way to go. And you'll never hear them before landing say to return your seat to it's upright position as none of the seats recline.

Viva air is very organized and slick, I decided to fly with them to Cartagena as their pricing was so cheap for a roundtrip ticket, $ 75 USD. Navigating their website was like a maze with three options, one with they choose the seat for you and only a small carry on allowed that fits under the seat, and two other options that allow overhead bag space and checked baggage at an astronomical expense. I opted for the cheapest option yet during the process they kept adding all kinds of add on's like special assistance and other stuff which I figured out how to delete before paying. I packed a very small bag as shown in the photo, and all passengers with carry on's have to insert their bag in one of the size openings they had. My bag easily fit in the free size, but it was hilarious watching other people trying to fit oversize bags in the smaller size, akin to trying to fit a gallon of water into a quart jar. And Viva was Johnny on the spot collecting a handsome ransom for those who didn't pay for baggage before hand. As far as the seat assignments which I didn't pay for, they allow you to check in up to 48 hours before and I did within 40 hours and they assigned me to row 3 in the front of the plane, and when I checked in for my return flight I did it about 32 hours before and was seated in row 9, so I think they assign seats in the front of the plane to those who check in early, kind of like that Southwest model to a certain degree. Boarding the flight was from the rear to front and the flight took off five minutes early, no onboard service, yet only a forty five minute flight.

Upon arriving in Cartagena, my Chica showed up early as well at my Hotel, and was dressed to the nines compared to my El Centro street skanks. I hadn't been with her in a while and was treated to a strip tease with her red lingere, she did some modeling for me in her outfits, and we had a great evening together.

In the morning to my surprise I noticed a left hand surf break right in front of the Hotel and wish I had my board with me, but can only imagine what Viva would of charged for that. Regardless, I brought my surf flippers with me and went bodysurfing in the morning, then jumped my Chicas bones, ate breakfast, and am chilling out for another day.

Life is good in Colombia.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2579879]Although still cheap by USA standards. I only mention it because you asked about budgeting. Welcome.

How much is an extra fuck or blow job or two per day worth to you? Because it's doable if you stay in a less expensive but still clean and comfortable hotel. Granted, a lot of hotels are deeply discounted now with "Gateway Deals" going on, which supposedly will continue through the end of September. I just checked and rooms at the Nutibara are going for $33 per night for double occupancy (no guest fee for first girl each day) which is a very nice rate. Your call.

I will be staying at a nice property (not in El Centro) with all that I need. I am not looking to monger from my hotel, which has WiFi. 24 hour desk, bar, Two beds, I like to use one bed to lay out my stuff, flat screen satellite TV. I booked single occupancy because the first week I am there I will more than likely be staying with a few different chicas, but for $9 a night it's worth it to have a home base in a safe part of town and not lug all my stuff with me from fuck fest to fuck fest. Once I decide to let mi novia know I am in town, I will switch hotels or at least rooms so when she arrives everything looks fresh and then pay the double occupancy rate.

Consider this, keep your Nutibara room at least for the first couple of nights, and do a little reconnoitering for other hotels during the light of day. There are a lot of hotels on the block behind Nutibara and walking South, toward the business district, toward Simon Bolivar Park. You would not notice a lot of these hotels unless you are looking for them tucked in between the stores and restaurants. I have stuck my head in several and stayed at a few, and there are some gems. Don't continue East or deep straight back from Nutibarra or you will run into one of the most dangerous areas of El Centro, the Venezuelan and tranny district. In other words, don't explore in the direction opposite of Botero Park for more than two blocks. If you start seeing a lot of trannies standing out on the sidewalk, don't freak out but you might want turn around. Unless that's your thing..[/QUOTE]Nice pics parcero, regarding the selection of nutibara though, it seems the only GF friendly budget hotel / BnB available in very close vicinity to el centro, so I thought staying elsewhere would incur daily travel costs to and from el centro for the mongering experience and this net cost would surpass the amount I would be spending at nutibara which would allow me to be walking distance away from the chicas.

Now I know I'm a newbie and don't know every spot so any recommendations from you vets will be considered.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2580011]
Viva air is very organized and slick,

Upon arriving in Cartagena, my Chica showed up early as well at my Hotel, and was dressed to the nines compared to my El Centro street skanks.
Life is good in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the detailed report on Viva air. I am suggesting that maybe since you should also post this in the Cartagena thread.

[QUOTE=ABizzle;2580022]Nice pics parcero, regarding the selection of nutibara though, it seems the only GF friendly budget hotel / BnB available in very close vicinity to el centro, so I thought staying elsewhere would incur daily travel costs to and from el centro for the mongering experience and this net cost would surpass the amount I would be spending at nutibara which would allow me to be walking distance away from the chicas.

Now I know I'm a newbie and don't know every spot so any recommendations from you vets will be considered.[/QUOTE]You are staying 30 days. I think you can book a couple of days and negotiate for the rest of the stay with Nutibara for better rate after you arrive. Also have a backup plan if this does not work out.

If you utilize Metro, the transportation cost is low. I personally won't stay elsewhere if my focus is El Centro.

Delayed report of my Medellin trip. Medellin looks like its 80 percent back to normal. For anyone on the fence about going, stop doubting it. Book your ticket ASAP before everything shuts down again. I stayed in the Poblado area and everyone was out at night till very late night. Only thing I did different this time from the usual trips was not go in Gusto's as much. In my opinion you can find just as good options in the other club nearby " Lleras Park". Crowd is lively, and everything else is cheaper then Gusto. Only use Gusto as an option to get contacts from all the 8/9/10's in there. Cartagena is next.

[QUOTE=ABizzle;2580022]Nice pics parcero, regarding the selection of nutibara though, it seems the only GF friendly budget hotel / BnB available in very close vicinity to el centro, so I thought staying elsewhere would incur daily travel costs to and from el centro for the mongering experience and this net cost would surpass the amount I would be spending at nutibara which would allow me to be walking distance away from the chicas.

Now I know I'm a newbie and don't know every spot so any recommendations from you vets will be considered.[/QUOTE]But there are a lot of small hotels within convenient walking distance of El Centro. A few even closer to Ground Zero. My reply was specific to you, and any one new to an area. I was mainly sharing how I "scope out" a place when I first arrive. I also used to stay at Hotel Botero which was within spitting distance of Nutibara, but they shut down. In that same block across the street and immediately behind the Nutibara (way before you are too deep in the Vennie section) I can see four hotels in my minds eye. One of them is immediately adjacent to a the small brothel on that block within 100 meters of the back of the Nutibara. Believe me, all the hotels in that vicinity are guest friendly. I recommend that small brothel, as usual, the door is unmarked but always open at a slant so the girl at the desk can watch the street off the reflection of the mirrored door. The brothel is not well known, halfway down the short block on Carrera 50 a, as you exit the back of Nutibara thru the BBQ restaurant, cross Avenida Maracaibo and angle slightly left. There is a 24 hour bakery and store on the corner. The brothel prices are good, when I was there exactly the same as New Life. It's small, sometimes only four girls. And if you need a nice quiet room to do your banging, feget about it. But you can take the girl back to your room. They will call you within the minute your time is up, and if the girl is not out the door right away, someone from the brothel will be knocking on your door. I made that place a last stop many times on my way home. I got very well known in there and the manager and the girls told me that brothel was a "first stop" for many new girls that came to Medellin from the countryside to learn the ropes. That translates to some nice fresh trim.

If you go into a hotel lobby and you see a ton of signs warning against sexploitation, then you are in the right spot. In my experience those hotels are usually the best for mongering, jajajaja but they put up a big front for the policia. I am trying to be funny but it's true. My favorite short term by-the-hour Love hotel within walking distance from Nutibara and caddy-corner from Simon Bolivar Park has signs everywhere about warnings against sexual exploitation, and they never checked ID on anyone, if you catch my drift.

I get a good vibe from you that you will enjoy yourself without any major issues, and the kind of mongerer who is a pleasure to assist. I am simply presenting options. I hope you get some feedback from other vets here.

Gratuitous fotos of the three Vennies I will be with for a long weekend. Surfer dude, I like your idea of the all inclusive resort in Poblado instead of bussing to Guatape. I have never set foot in Poblado, avoided it in fact, but maybe now is the time, at these prices.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2580011] in Cartagena, my Chica showed up early as well at my Hotel[/QUOTE]That alone, is fucking amazing, jaja.

So I'm sitting in Gourmet Burger near Lleras and two young gringos come sit down next to me because, well- there is nowhere else to sit frankly. Eyeing them over I think to myself these are probably two dumb Miami club kids down for a week on stimulus checks or other such goombah scheme. One of them is decked out in gold jewelry- watch, bands, necklace etc, which if real would probably be in the 5 figure range. This would not be advisable in Rio de Janeiro but maybe Medellin is a different animal? Please weigh in. The thing is he doesn't look like a dug dealer necessarily, a bit too timid. He's complaining about something that got in his eyes and looks like he's crying. I almost consider warning him about the danger of walking around with that kind of bling but I wisely keep my trap shut. Eventually I start talking to them and sure enough- they are from Miami. Duh. How long are you down here for I ask? Oh, we live here, for ten years now. I'm stunned back into silence spend the rest of my burger time thinking about how these guys could be employed-in poverty stricken Colombia-such that they seem to be doing this well. I'm not sure if Colombia needs any more drug dealers- so my best guess is that they are involved in the club scene somehow as promoters or DJ's. Even this though, defies reason as it's not clear to me that a gringo DJ or promoter could really thrive to the extent that you would be walking around with those kind of chains. Anyone have any guesses?

On another note- Lleras has been great, I've been pulling from there nightly for an average of 100-200 mil for somewhat attractive ladies who will do BBBJ and CIM. Additionally I've enjoyed walking around Centro but am hesitant to pull the trigger because many of the SW appear to be "undocumented" and I also notice a police presence in the area. My recent experiences in Brazil lead me to believe Gringos will be targeted and "milked" in such environments. If anyone would like to PM me or whatsapp and give me some tips on how to negotiate this I would be much obliged.

[QUOTE=ABizzle;2580022]Nice pics parcero, regarding the selection of nutibara though, it seems the only GF friendly budget hotel / BnB available in very close vicinity to el centro, so I thought staying elsewhere would incur daily travel costs to and from el centro for the mongering experience and this net cost would surpass the amount I would be spending at nutibara which would allow me to be walking distance away from the chicas.

Now I know I'm a newbie and don't know every spot so any recommendations from you vets will be considered.[/QUOTE]There are places if options, of varying quality within a reasonable daytime walk to the El Centro street action. You can find rooms for less than half what Nutibara charges.

However, have you considered what you'll be doing with the rest of your time? If all I was doing in El Centro was pulling 1 Street girl a day, I wouldn't stay there.

The cost of a street girl is about $8 if you take her to the Nutibara, which means each day you spend $41. The same girl in a short time room is $11. If you get a $20 hotel in Laureles and spend $1.50 for a round trip metro ride, you get the same thing and save $10 a day. Plus you're in an area you can walk around at night, with lots of food options.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2580114]But there are a lot of small hotels within convenient walking distance of El Centro. A few even closer to Ground Zero. My reply was specific to you, and any one new to an area. I was mainly sharing how I "scope out" a place when I first arrive. I also used to stay at Hotel Botero which was within spitting distance of Nutibara, but they shut down. In that same block across the street and immediately behind the Nutibara (way before you are too deep in the Vennie section) I can see four hotels in my minds eye. One of them is immediately adjacent to a the small brothel on that block within 100 meters of the back of the Nutibara. Believe me, all the hotels in that vicinity are guest friendly. I recommend that small brothel, as usual, the door is unmarked but always open at a slant so the girl at the desk can watch the street off the reflection of the mirrored door. The brothel is not well known, halfway down the short block on Carrera 50 a, as you exit the back of Nutibara thru the BBQ restaurant, cross Avenida Maracaibo and angle slightly left. There is a 24 hour bakery and store on the corner. The brothel prices are good, when I was there exactly the same as New Life. It's small, sometimes only four girls. And if you need a nice quiet room to do your banging, feget about it. But you can take the girl back to your room. They will call you within the minute your time is up, and if the girl is not out the door right away, someone from the brothel will be knocking on your door. I made that place a last stop many times on my way home. I got very well known in there and the manager and the girls told me that brothel was a "first stop" for many new girls that came to Medellin from the countryside to learn the ropes. That translates to some nice fresh trim..[/QUOTE]This is all good except for 1 very important thing. If the hotel has signs saying "No sex tourism" you're better off going somewhere else. I've seen with my own eyes what happens when someone tries to bring in a girl.

When you've paid in advance for several days, or weeks, you're not going to be happy to learn you have to go to a different hotel every time you want to get laid.

[QUOTE=ZebraStripes81;2580181].....so my best guess is that they are involved in the club scene somehow as promoters or DJ's. Even this though, defies reason as it's not clear to me that a gringo DJ or promoter could really thrive to the extent that you would be walking around with those kind of chains. Anyone have any guesses?....[/QUOTE]Sounds to me like he's living off inheritance and brought his buddy along.

[QUOTE=ZebraStripes81;2580181]So I'm sitting in Gourmet Burger near Lleras and two young gringos come sit down next to me because, well- there is nowhere else to sit frankly. Eyeing them over I think to myself these are probably two dumb Miami club kids down for a week on stimulus checks or other such goombah scheme. One of them is decked out in gold jewelry- watch, bands, necklace etc, which if real would probably be in the 5 figure range. This would not be advisable in Rio de Janeiro but maybe Medellin is a different animal? Please weigh in. The thing is he doesn't look like a dug dealer necessarily, a bit too timid. He's complaining about something that got in his eyes and looks like he's crying. I almost consider warning him about the danger of walking around with that kind of bling but I wisely keep my trap shut. Eventually I start talking to them and sure enough- they are from Miami. Duh. How long are you down here for I ask? Oh, we live here, for ten years now. I'm stunned back into silence spend the rest of my burger time thinking about how these guys could be employed-in poverty stricken Colombia-such that they seem to be doing this well. I'm not sure if Colombia needs any more drug dealers- so my best guess is that they are involved in the club scene somehow as promoters or DJ's. Even this though, defies reason as it's not clear to me that a gringo DJ or promoter could really thrive to the extent that you would be walking around with those kind of chains. Anyone have any guesses?[/QUOTE]There's a lot of gringos that live in Poblado and rarely leave Poblado. No surprise to me what you witnessed, albeit how they survive and whether they actually have lived in Medellin is suspect. They may have been blowing smoke telling you that, and are just visitors. And highly unlikely there drug dealers or DJ's, sounds like a bunch of dumb guys as you surmised.

Good to know that prices are floating down in Lleras. Back to something more reasonable and normal. But I also suspect that the girls become good at "profiling" also and may vary their rates based on what they see. Loud-mouth gringo wearing short? More money? Gringo wearing jewelry? More money. Gringo staying at the Charlee or the house of putas (Energy). More money. Drunk gringo. More money. Gringo walking out of Gustos. More money. But if you are low-key, are willing to walk away, don't stick out as much as most gringos. You should get a better deal. And your post shows this. That price for good service (I. E. , BBBJ and CIM) is reasonable relative to FB and definitely below Gusto's, Tinder, and what chicas in the Parque had been asking 6 months ago. These chicas seem to view the rules of supply and demand totally opposite of what's rational.

[QUOTE=ZebraStripes81;2580181]
On another note- Lleras has been great, I've been pulling from there nightly for an average of 100-200 mil for somewhat attractive ladies who will do BBBJ and CIM. Additionally I've enjoyed walking around Centro but am hesitant to pull the trigger because many of the SW appear to be "undocumented" and I also notice a police presence in the area. My recent experiences in Brazil lead me to believe Gringos will be targeted and "milked" in such environments. If anyone would like to PM me or whatsapp and give me some tips on how to negotiate this I would be much obliged.[/QUOTE]

Has anyone stayed at that hotel Lleras 10 and does anyone know if it's chica friendly? I've reached out to them but no answer.

[QUOTE=HotelAl;2580415]Has anyone stayed at that hotel Lleras 10 and does anyone know if it's chica friendly? I've reached out to them but no answer.[/QUOTE]I was there this past March. It is good. Completely chica friendly. Note: cash payment direct at hotel is cheapest.

[QUOTE=HotelAl;2580415]Has anyone stayed at that hotel Lleras 10 and does anyone know if it's chica friendly? I've reached out to them but no answer.[/QUOTE]Maybe this way is better? [URL]https://www.facebook.com/HotelLlerasMedellin/[/URL].

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2580402]Good to know that prices are floating down in Lleras. Back to something more reasonable and normal. But I also suspect that the girls become good at "profiling" also and may vary their rates based on what they see. Loud-mouth gringo wearing short? More money? Gringo wearing jewelry? More money. Gringo staying at the Charlee or the house of putas (Energy). More money. Drunk gringo. More money. Gringo walking out of Gustos. More money. But if you are low-key, are willing to walk away, don't stick out as much as most gringos. You should get a better deal. And your post shows this. That price for good service (I. E. , BBBJ and CIM) is reasonable relative to FB and definitely below Gusto's, Tinder, and what chicas in the Parque had been asking 6 months ago. These chicas seem to view the rules of supply and demand totally opposite of what's rational.[/QUOTE]You are absolutely right about all of this. Before my current stay in Colombia I was in Rio de Janeiro for seven weeks, where the contingent of gringos is characteristically different and less easy to fleece. Generally speaking the Rio Monger is a little more sophisticated, experienced, and appreciative of the value of being low key-it's harder to travel to, there is an additional language barrier, and so usually its a more experienced type that is able to make the trip. In this scenario, DR is the easiest and most full of boneheads, Colombia is the middle ground, and Brazil is the farthest shore. At this point hurt and upset Medellin BM are going to start throwing a fit- relax, I'm not talking about you. And don't get me wrong, guys (gringos and locals) will post up in Rio termas with bottles and cheese spreads and just piss it away now and then (I'm certainly guilty of this) - but what I see in Medellin is just a lot more tacky mongers with little or no experience goofing off trying to impress their friends. A club like Gustos pretty much feels like south beach full of rich kid New Yorkers except for the fact that its full of girls that you can afford (albeit still overpriced).

To your point, SW have an extremely sensitive radar that can pick up on all of this- the many guys that do come here without really any concern / awareness for price points are easy pickings. Conversely I've noticed that the girls in LLeras are very easy to bargain down if you start to walk away, and repeats are even easier. I had a SW come down from 200 mil to 100 mil because it was late on a Sunday night and she needed the money- she was at my place in 5 min. I said to her- "that's our price now"- which she objected to but finally accepted.

It's a good situation currently, but as travel restrictions open up I expect the knuckleheads to flood in and break the market. This is inevitable and to argue otherwise is to be willfully naive. I'm thinking there is a nice window for another 3-4 months but come November / December it's just going to be a lot of dumb money whales beached up in the Parque bleeding cash all over the place. Good for the girls, bad for the dedicated hobbyist.

[QUOTE=ZebraStripes81;2580181]So I'm sitting in Gourmet Burger near Lleras and two young gringos come sit down next to me because, well- there is nowhere else to sit frankly. Eyeing them over I think to myself these are probably two dumb Miami club kids down for a week on stimulus checks or other such goombah scheme. One of them is decked out in gold jewelry- watch, bands, necklace etc, which if real would probably be in the 5 figure range. This would not be advisable in Rio de Janeiro but maybe Medellin is a different animal? Please weigh in. The thing is he doesn't look like a dug dealer necessarily, a bit too timid. He's complaining about something that got in his eyes and looks like he's crying. I almost consider warning him about the danger of walking around with that kind of bling but I wisely keep my trap shut. Eventually I start talking to them and sure enough- they are from Miami. Duh. How long are you down here for I ask? Oh, we live here, for ten years now. I'm stunned back into silence spend the rest of my burger time thinking about how these guys could be employed-in poverty stricken Colombia-such that they seem to be doing this well. I'm not sure if Colombia needs any more drug dealers- so my best guess is that they are involved in the club scene somehow as promoters or DJ's. Even this though, defies reason as it's not clear to me that a gringo DJ or promoter could really thrive to the extent that you would be walking around with those kind of chains. Anyone have any guesses?.[/QUOTE]I'm guessing they don't want to hear advice about wearing shit like that, so they have a preset lie, he I've lived here 35 fucking yrs don't tell me shit jajajaja.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lIunFoBzHM&t=202s[/URL]

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2580419]I was there this past March. It is good. Completely chica friendly. Note: cash payment direct at hotel is cheapest.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info, I made the reservation!

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2580402]Good to know that prices are floating down in Lleras. Back to something more reasonable and normal. But I also suspect that the girls become good at "profiling" also and may vary their rates based on what they see. Loud-mouth gringo wearing short? More money? Gringo wearing jewelry? More money. Gringo staying at the Charlee or the house of putas (Energy). More money. Drunk gringo. More money. Gringo walking out of Gustos. More money. But if you are low-key, are willing to walk away, don't stick out as much as most gringos. You should get a better deal. And your post shows this. That price for good service (I. E. , BBBJ and CIM) is reasonable relative to FB and definitely below Gusto's, Tinder, and what chicas in the Parque had been asking 6 months ago. These chicas seem to view the rules of supply and demand totally opposite of what's rational.[/QUOTE]What about if they like you or not?

More I make a lady laugh, smile, and make her feel comfortable the better deals I usually seem to strike. Everywhere I have ever traveled. Just saying I think it is the ultimate X factor.

[QUOTE=OldSchool318;2580508]What about if they like you or not?

More I make a lady laugh, smile, and make her feel comfortable the better deals I usually seem to strike. Everywhere I have ever traveled. Just saying I think it is the ultimate X factor.[/QUOTE]If they like you, the price will be much lower or even free, and the service will be way better than those that get charged the huge gag factor surcharges.

Aka what I call "honeymoon sex" for free or damn near it LOL.

Not sure if you can get a working girl in Lleras (or on the street or in GUsto's etc.) to go for free. But you never know. There are definitely some nice, normal chicas who will fuck you for free. They appreciate you treating them with respect and enjoying a meal or a drink. Especially chicas who have had bad experiences with Colombianos (which is most of them). It just really depends on how bad a girl needs money. She may really like you, yet she has bills to pay. Sometimes I go with a girl who asks for nothing, but I give her something at the end because I know she needs it (and it also relieves my guilt of knowing that we'll never have anything serious).

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2580514]If they like you, the price will be much lower or even free, and the service will be way better than those that get charged the huge gag factor surcharges.

Aka what I call "honeymoon sex" for free or damn near it LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2580528]Not sure if you can get a working girl in Lleras (or on the street or in GUsto's etc.) to go for free. But you never know. There are definitely some nice, normal chicas who will fuck you for free. They appreciate you treating them with respect and enjoying a meal or a drink. Especially chicas who have had bad experiences with Colombianos (which is most of them). It just really depends on how bad a girl needs money. She may really like you, yet she has bills to pay. Sometimes I go with a girl who asks for nothing, but I give her something at the end because I know she needs it (and it also relieves my guilt of knowing that we'll never have anything serious).[/QUOTE]If a hooker gives me a freebie, I take it! Why? Not just because it saves me money, but for some reason she wanted it to be not about money, I get that.

I appreciate the gesture, so I don't ruin it for her by forcing money on her or surreptitiously slipping it into her purse and turning it into just another "trick" for her.

Maybe respect her wishes and give the money to the next one instead, she obviously isn't starving if she's doing freebies.

I am looking at making my first trip in the first week of August and staying at San Peter Apartments. I eat a heavy meat diet and enjoy restaurants like Mr. Pampas in Tijuana and Fogo De Chao in the States. Is there any similar restaurants in Medellin?

Also, if anyone has any thoughts on San Peters apartments good or bad? I mostly want to check out all the casas and street girls in Centro but don't want to stay in that area at night, so staying in Laureles at San Peter.

I realize I don't have many posts here. I used to go to Thailand exclusively before covid 19 and posted on the addicts boards under a different name. I will definitely contribute to the board more now.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2580419]I was there this past March. It is good. Completely chica friendly. Note: cash payment direct at hotel is cheapest.[/QUOTE]Whatever you do, don't book on Hotelopia. It's a ripoff.

I keep hearing about how expensive some girls have gotten, how they're running scams, how they're undependable- pretty much every ***** in the book. I just want to remind all the privileged whiners out there that you're getting world class pussy at bargain basement prices- even if you're paying 500 mil. That's $131. You can hardly get a skanky meth working girl for that kind of scratch in Cleveland. Are the girls looking to come out on top? You bet your ass they are. They're in business. I think it's pretty obvious that better than half the guys here don't think about these girls for two seconds once they tuck their henry back in their pants- why do you think they should GAF about you? Stop the whining and understand Medellin for the paradise it is. Sure, you can get cheap pussy in Thailand and The Philippines, but you got to start with better than $1 k just for airfare. Stop WHINING. These girls are the BOMB. It's top shelf pussy and all the drinks are half price.

[QUOTE=ZebraStripes81;2580181]I also notice a police presence in the area. My recent experiences in Brazil lead me to believe Gringos will be targeted and "milked" in such environments. [/QUOTE]Zebra, the police presence is normal and they are there to keep the place safe for tourista and should not bother you. You don't want to be there when the police are gone. As for negotiation, try look up Surfer's posts. He has more posts like this one.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2562017] While walking around I did notice a good police presence yet after hearing what I heard from my Chica I paid much more attention as to who was around me. Anyways, I saw lot's of familiar hard core putas out and was thinking that it would be nice to do a spinner if I could find one. And the God's were with me. While walking around by the corner with the ice cream store and the Casino there was this little dinky thing. A size boobs and a little bubble gum butt, a Paisa, whom I had never seen working in El Centro. She was not a beauty queen face wise but not ugly, but a tight body with a flat stomach, and I envisioned pounding her in doggie and her riding me! So After chatting with her instead of making an offer to go arriba I just asked her how much. Twenty mil she says and I asked her for clarification as to exactly what that included. She said it included her blowing me and all kinds of positions.[/QUOTE]

The hard thing is knowing if she really wants to give it to you for free. Or she just wants to be cool about it an not mention money. If the girl is a prepago, odds are that she expects some money. Not saying you can't get a prepago for free, especially if you've seen her before and treated her nice. But how do you know? That's my only question. Tough call.

On the other hand, non-pros regularly will give it for free because it's the culture. They are very much into sex. Not the hang-ups you see in the USA And if you are nice to them and compliment them (the Paisa weakness. Their vanity), getting free sex is not out of the ordinary.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2580535]If a hooker gives me a freebie, I take it! Why? Not just because it saves me money, but for some reason she wanted it to be not about money, I get that.

I appreciate the gesture, so I don't ruin it for her by forcing money on her or surreptitiously slipping it into her purse and turning it into just another "trick" for her.

Maybe respect her wishes and give the money to the next one instead, she obviously isn't starving if she's doing freebies.[/QUOTE]

If they like you? How would you know? These girls will say and do what they have to do to get the business. When she laughs, maybe she's not laughing with you, but at you (not referring to you specifically, but in general). I agree that being pleasant and having good hygiene and making them feel comfortable and stroking their ego makes the experience better. Maybe it lowers the price, but I think most girls will work for as much as they think they can get. And some will negotiate down and some won't. You really don't know if you are getting a deal unless you somehow know what she really wants to get paid. What is a "better deal"? How do we know? All that said. Never hurts to be nice and gentleman (to the extent we can, given that we all want to fuck their brains out).

[QUOTE=OldSchool318;2580508]What about if they like you or not?

More I make a lady laugh, smile, and make her feel comfortable the better deals I usually seem to strike. Everywhere I have ever traveled. Just saying I think it is the ultimate X factor.[/QUOTE]

Landed late y'day having almost missed my connection in Miami. 1 HR connection ended being 30 min and if those sun of guns didn't change arrival gate to 63 a full 60 gates away!

Arrived late to hotel and got only a little sleep. Met a seeking girl 9/10 in pics and 7/10 in person, but a relative newbie to this, said she had one Colombians agreement before but not with a extranjero. Sex was meh, mostly because she was a bit timid, but otherwise she was fun and helpful. She helped me with a few errands. I got us lunch via rappi, and she stayed for almost 6 hrs total. Money discussion never came up. I saw her bidding on indriver and her bid went all the way to 15 min before it was accepted. She took uber on her dime als this morning. I just gave her 170 mil. Not sure if I will be calling her back.

I then called one of my old faves, who came in time, rocked it and left with her small gift of skull candy ear buds and I gave her the 150 mil I always give her. Honestly is more like meeting up with a friend. She will be back a few times and I will pay no more than 150 mil, and there will be no discussion about it.
On another note, one of my chicas is out with Covid, and another one is waiting on her results. So clearly there is a real spread in this cochlea.

99% of folks are wearing masks, vaccines are gaining ground, now at 35-39 age cohort. But the economy my is mostly open. Don't know for certain but this thing maybe cresting.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2580546]Whatever you do, don't book on Hotelopia. It's a ripoff.[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear you got ripped off. Make it a learning experience for yourself.

Staying at non-branded hotels in Medellin, cash is preferred and reservations seldom are necessary.

I happened to be in the area and took some laps around Parque Lleras as 9 PM on Thursday night. Some of the access to the park is shutdown on one side, but totally open on the Gusto side. Lots of SW's, I counted at least twenty of them out working and some where hidden on the side streets as well. Not much to say about them, pretty average girls, and nothing really stuck out to me, not skanky enough, LOL, nor did I see any that work El Centro as well, and I didn't even bother talking with any of them or finding out how much they wanted. Based on what I saw in the ten minutes I was there, you could easily find just as pretty ones in El Centro at a fraction of whatever they would be asking for in Lleras. But of course you would be out of luck at 9 PM fin El Centro finding much of anything, so for a night time street scene venue, it's about as good as it's going to get, and if guys are pulling girls for as low as 100 K as someone else posted, than at an exchange rate of 3,800 COP or about $ 27 USD that's actually a pretty good deal, and although I don't patronize Lleras, the girls working the place are going to have to be much more polished and aggressive to get clients in Lleras versus El Centro.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2580586]The hard thing is knowing if she really wants to give it to you for free. Or she just wants to be cool about it an not mention money. If the girl is a prepago, odds are that she expects some money. Not saying you can't get a prepago for free, especially if you've seen her before and treated her nice. But how do you know? That's my only question. Tough call.

On the other hand, non-pros regularly will give it for free because it's the culture. They are very much into sex. Not the hang-ups you see in the USA And if you are nice to them and compliment them (the Paisa weakness. Their vanity), getting free sex is not out of the ordinary.[/QUOTE]Well, I don't know what goes on inside the crazy little minds of the putas, but I think its safe to say, no matter what country you are in, if a puta doesn't know how to do anything else in this world.

She knows how to ask a guy for money jajajajajaaaa.

I think you may be over complicating it.

I think sometimes putas just want to fuck someone and not get paid, so they feel human and not a fuck doll for money 24/7.

I feel in BKK if you go past a puta that likes you and there are 99 other putas standing around, she may just want to fuck you as a source of pride LOL.

She may have done you for free but at least she got you jajaja the other 99 didn't.

Asia is a weird place, with the concepts of "face" and pride, they have some very unhealthy attitudes towards many things IMO.

[QUOTE=Chadthundrcock;2580537]I am looking at making my first trip in the first week of August and staying at San Peter Apartments. I eat a heavy meat diet and enjoy restaurants like Mr. Pampas in Tijuana and Fogo De Chao in the States. Is there any similar restaurants in Medellin?

Also, if anyone has any thoughts on San Peters apartments good or bad? I mostly want to check out all the casas and street girls in Centro but don't want to stay in that area at night, so staying in Laureles at San Peter.

I realize I don't have many posts here. I used to go to Thailand exclusively before covid 19 and posted on the addicts boards under a different name. I will definitely contribute to the board more now.[/QUOTE]Amarelo Rodizio Carrera 43 b# 11- 12 piso 2 y 3 Poblado Calle de la Buena Mesa.

Rodizio Carioca Carrera 36 8 a - 117 Laureles.

I'm going to be in Medellin in tomorrow for 10 days. Need to get a covid test within 3 days of my flight back to the US. Where do you guys recommend in Medellin? Needs to be antigen or NAaT.

Actually I read that Medellin airport has antigen testing that gives results in 40 minutes. Anyone have experience with this first hand?

[QUOTE=Chadthundrcock;2580537]Also, if anyone has any thoughts on San Peters apartments good or bad? I mostly want to check out all the casas and street girls in Centro but don't want to stay in that area at night, so staying in Laureles at San Peter.[/QUOTE]The San Peter Apartments are well managed, well equipped, and well located (just a few doors from the lively La 70, block and a half from Exito super market, short walk to classier restaurants / bars on / near Avenida Nutibara, 10 minute walk to the Metro and a major sports complex. The only real knock on the San Peer is late night noise (super high decibel music) emanating from a couple of neighboring bars--I've met several mongers who moved out for that reason. There are three different floor plans available on each floor. The efficiencies on the frontside of the building are closest to the offending bars; in the one bedroom apartments, the music is louder in the living rooms than the bedrooms. As a geezer somewhat hard of hearing, the noise hasn't bothered me, but there's no escaping it altogether.

Management is quite girl friendly but also super strict on IDs--I've had seemingly legit cedulas of two Venezuelan chicas rejected. There are a small bar and restaurant off the lobby where one could sometimes meet other tenants, but they were both closed during the pandemic and remained shut when I departed in late May. (The restaurant had shut down pre-Covid; perhaps has reopened by now).

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2580602]

I feel in BKK if you go past a puta that likes you and there are 99 other putas standing around, she may just want to fuck you as a source of pride LOL.

She may have done you for free but at least she got you jajaja the other 99 didn't.

Asia is a weird place, with the concepts of "face" and pride, they have some very unhealthy attitudes towards many things IMO.[/QUOTE]There are plenty of girls not getting customers so it is not likely to affect her pride but she might feel embarrassed "lose face" if she lowers her price in front of others to go with a customer.

From my observation in BKK, there is very little chance a monger can get freebie when the girl is working. For a girl somewhat popular, they can pick the customer they want to go or spend more time with and still get paid because there are simply too many mongers that the number is in their favor.

I have no idea how to read minds. But I do well at reading body language. I also do well at reading kindness and happiness, and good vibes.

Am I still going to pay? Probably. Am I still looked at as a transaction? Of course. Do they still need money? Well yeah of course.

However, when a girl is into it. She is getting off in someway, she is happy in that moment, and she keeps wanting to come back for more. And that makes me happy. Which is much of the reason I enjoy our hobby.

We have all had girls with shitty attitudes, or who just lay there, or who rip you off, or flake or no show. When she likes you these things usually are not things to worry about.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2580566]I keep hearing about how expensive some girls have gotten, how they're running scams, how they're undependable- pretty much every ***** in the book. I just want to remind all the privileged whiners out there that you're getting world class pussy at bargain basement prices- even if you're paying 500 mil. That's $131. You can hardly get a skanky meth working girl for that kind of scratch in Cleveland. Are the girls looking to come out on top? You bet your ass they are. They're in business. I think it's pretty obvious that better than half the guys here don't think about these girls for two seconds once they tuck their henry back in their pants- why do you think they should GAF about you? Stop the whining and understand Medellin for the paradise it is. Sure, you can get cheap pussy in Thailand and The Philippines, but you got to start with better than $1 k just for airfare. Stop WHINING. These girls are the BOMB. It's top shelf pussy and all the drinks are half price.[/QUOTE]It's beginning to seem there should be a separate area for guys who's first question is what does it cost.

I've been here 10 days. (more in Bogota) Never a thought of going to central. If you can't afford $100, fine but if you can, Colombia will give you memories of unbelievably gorgeous women to last a lifetime. I have too much to accomplish before I return to Bogota Monday or I would give you details / photos. If anyone has a contact for a bilingual driver. Send me a PM!!

[QUOTE=Nounce;2580782]There are plenty of girls not getting customers so it is not likely to affect her pride but she might feel embarrassed "lose face" if she lowers her price in front of others to go with a customer.

From my observation in BKK, there is very little chance a monger can get freebie when the girl is working. For a girl somewhat popular, they can pick the customer they want to go or spend more time with and still get paid because there are simply too many mongers that the number is in their favor.[/QUOTE]I didn't mention "losing face" I was talking about "flexing"/ showing off or gaining face jajajajaa.

Very little chance a monger can get a freebie from working girls? I agree, most are hungry, but in my experience if its going to happen it will probably be in Asia.

Whether she is popular or not isn't so much the issue or not, the original poster brought up the variable of them liking you, which I think can be a huge X factor.

I could even speculate further that the more popular girls are more likely to do a freebie, probably because they always have money in their purse?

I think most putas really like sex as a generalization.

So if they see someone they like, they might do something out of the ordinary to get them.

How hard would it be for a hot puta to snag a monger for free? Like taking candy from a baby jajajajajajaa.

I hate when they do this, but here's an example.

You're laying in bed after fucking and they take their fone and call one of their friends to to do a video call with you in the frame.

What's that all about?

Quick Final update on my Trip. Summary.

- Medellin right now imo is the best spot hands down in LA for single men to travel, as far as distance, women avail, cost.

- Past few days since last update been dating my non-pros from SA every other day.

- Hooked up with new bud from Hotel and been hunting together showing him the way of Centro. Lately been getting lucky with some new chicas, only 10 k extra for BBBJ / BBFS if I wanted LOL.

They love me since when I see them in parque Lleras I offer them drinks LOL. Got on the good side of quite a few of them.

- Visit Lleras every few night to hang w other dudes and see new faces. Found a couple dimes in Lleras club, standard rate is 250 k-300 k hour /600 k night. Centro is still same 30 k-50 k 30 minutes, or negotiate for longer.

- I made up with the sister who stood me up, we reconciliated, and found out they have a 3rd sister. Met in Centro. Yes I banged all 3.

- My non-pros took me to some nice restaurants I didn't know about in Laureles, in fact in an area much nicer than Poblado and slightly more affordable. One of the restaurants was Olivia Pizzería Laureles. Google search it, the entire area near that restaurant have lots of others which I also visited. Also check out La Bodeguita Havanera, a very cozy Cuban Bar / Restaurant with good music and cocktails. Location is super amazing, clean and safe. I can easily see myself moving to that area especially since outside of Poblado.

- two days ago went to Luna Lunera, 24 HR strip club at 2 am with a buddy from lleras, got sick from their liquor w upper throat dryness. 120 k bottle but may have been some bootleg liquor. Place was kinna lame but my dude still got lucky, chica cost 210 k 30 minutes, no takeout but she managed to walk to a gas station and met him there since she couldn't go to his uber per club rules LOL. He said damage was 300 k for several hours.

- I was panicking w upper throat issue and took my Covid test today and Negativo. So returning Sun. Today and Tomorrow bottles and shots on me at Lleras club. , about to meet w one of my fav chica next hour, 150 k all BBFS, have a threesome set for tonight after club 200 k each chica. Same tomorrow on last day.

- Careful with some reports you read on here. Lots of false / confused info, just come and explore yourself, use the map and go hunting. Heck don't try to know everything, when you get here you can even ask taxi drivers, locals, other mongers you meet in lleras and you'll get to the hot spots.

- If you're here or planning to come just be safe. People piss me off trying to shake my hands everywhere I go so I have to keep pushing people away, even some taxi drivers ain't wearing masks. Glad I didn't catch nothing but beware you cannot return if you test positive, so wear your masks, avoid shaking hands, wash your hands frequently, drinks lots of fluid, vitamin see, and lots of pussy. I think the last one is what helped me LOL.

Peace.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2580790]You're laying in bed after fucking and they take their fone and call one of their friends to to do a video call with you in the frame.

What's that all about?[/QUOTE]Well it's not about them showing off the "stud" that they got to bang, but all about bragging rights for snagging a paying client.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2580801]Well it's not about them showing off the "stud" that they got to bang, but all about bragging rights for snagging a paying client.[/QUOTE]But you were a freebie jajajajajajaja.

So do they lie? And say how much they overcharged you? Jajajajaaaaaaaaa.

I know Colombia isn't requiring one to enter but I'm flying out of JFK and just want to make sure there are no requirements on the US side on flying out?

[QUOTE=OldSchool318;2580508]What about if they like you or not?

More I make a lady laugh, smile, and make her feel comfortable the better deals I usually seem to strike. Everywhere I have ever traveled. Just saying I think it is the ultimate X factor.[/QUOTE]My last trip to Colombia I believe twice I would have been robbed, both times by a gang, once in Cali, once in El Centro, the first by a group of teens, the latter by four of the biggest trannies you ever saw. I'll spare you the details, but by making them laugh and not acting like a stupid ugly American, they deferred to a different mark. If you want to be loved, be loveable.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2580598]I happened to be in the area and took some laps around Parque Lleras as 9 PM on Thursday night. Some of the access to the park is shutdown on one side, but totally open on the Gusto side. Lots of SW's, I counted at least twenty of them out working and some where hidden on the side streets as well. Not much to say about them, pretty average girls, and nothing really stuck out to me, not skanky enough, LOL, nor did I see any that work El Centro as well, and I didn't even bother talking with any of them or finding out how much they wanted. Based on what I saw in the ten minutes I was there, you could easily find just as pretty ones in El Centro at a fraction of whatever they would be asking for in Lleras. But of course you would be out of luck at 9 PM fin El Centro finding much of anything, so for a night time street scene venue, it's about as good as it's going to get, and if guys are pulling girls for as low as 100 K as someone else posted, than at an exchange rate of 3,800 COP or about $ 27 USD that's actually a pretty good deal, and although I don't patronize Lleras, the girls working the place are going to have to be much more polished and aggressive to get clients in Lleras versus El Centro.[/QUOTE]No offense cause I know you mean well. But your info is wayyyy offf my dude. I was at Lleras last night from 9 p till 1:30 a till I went to Face 2.

Most girls don't show till 11 p or later on Thursdays-Saturdays since the clubs close later at 4 am.

Also, it was raining from 8-9 pm when I arrived till I left. On and off really hard. So most girls where inside the clubs especially Lleras club. Every bar / club were full of chicas, lots and lots of dimes. You are right on pricing, and it's so funny inside the club they'll ask 250-300, outside some will start at 150.

This is what I meant in my last post with misleading intel. 10 minutes in the park early, while it was raining which you forgot to mention, is not a true and fair eval.

Yes, it does. But it's a pain in the ass. First, you need to go to the airport early, because you don't want to get stuck waiting for your results and then end up in a line just to get into the airport only to stand in another line to check-in and then go through security check and immigration. Second, the location of the testing is not convenient. It is on the lower level of the airport. Outside. Toward the exit. If you know you are going to use it, instruct your taxi driver to drop you off there. The first time I planned to use it, I had no idea where it was located. I assumed it was in the airport. So I waited in a long line just to get into the airport, only to find that I had to go down a floor, exit the airport, walk to the tent. And then stand in line again to get back into the airport when I was done. Third, the results usually come back in about 30 minutes. The wild card is how long it takes you to get the test itself. You have to register, which can be a pain. The people doing the registration do not speak English, so if you have the typical tourist in front of you who speaks no Spanish, the registration process is very slow. Once registered, you go to the other tent to get the test. Both times that was fast. And then you wait. If you chose to wait for hard copy results, you sit outside on the curb or sidewalk. There is no "waiting areas. ".

I only used the site the second time because I made a last minute change in flight and had no real other option The antigen test costs 90 mil, which is high. But you are paying for the convenience. The other times I have gotten the test elsewhere. There are testing sites around the city (the USA Embassy web site has a list). When I stayed in Laureles, I used the La America clinic. In Pobadlo, I use Poblado clinics. If you plan in advance, you can get it done domocilio.

[QUOTE=FatmanSlayer;2580633]Actually I read that Medellin airport has antigen testing that gives results in 40 minutes. Anyone have experience with this first hand?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2580834]No offense cause I know you mean well. But your info is wayyyy offf my dude. I was at Lleras last night from 9 p till 1:30 a till I went to Face 2.

Most girls don't show till 11 p or later on Thursdays-Saturdays since the clubs close later at 4 am.

Also, it was raining from 8-9 pm when I arrived till I left. On and off really hard. So most girls where inside the clubs especially Lleras club. Every bar / club were full of chicas, lots and lots of dimes. You are right on pricing, and it's so funny inside the club they'll ask 250-300, outside some will start at 150.

This is what I meant in my last post with misleading intel. 10 minutes in the park early, while it was raining which you forgot to mention, is not a true and fair eval.[/QUOTE]I was there exactly at 9 PM and it started to rain around 10 minutes later. While walking down Calle 10 the rain started to get harder and harder. What I witnessed was accurate in terms of what I saw. Did you notice that one side of Lleras was closed. I had dinner with a friend who lives a few blocks away and the rain didn't start until right after 9 PM. I didn't go inside any of the clubs and can only imagine that the ones outside, approximately 20 had no umbrellas with them must of entered the clubs. Maybe not enough potential clients inside of them, hence they were outside. I have no experience with the Clubs around Lleras, but was surprised to see so many outside on the street at 9 PM immediately before the rain started. There were also girls on the side streets leading up to Lleras, did you notice them? Seemed odd to me so many out at 9 PM, but that's what I saw. As far as pricing, I have no clue except by what I read by others here.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2580800]- If you're here or planning to come just be safe. People piss me off trying to shake my hands everywhere I go so I have to keep pushing people away, even some taxi drivers ain't wearing masks. Glad I didn't catch nothing but beware you cannot return if you test positive, so wear your masks, avoid shaking hands, wash your hands frequently, drinks lots of fluid, vitamin see, and lots of pussy. I think the last one is what helped me LOL..[/QUOTE]So this begs the question, did you wear a mask while banging your Chicas? LOL.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2580846]I only used the site the second time because I made a last minute change in flight and had no real other option The antigen test costs 90 mil, which is high. But you are paying for the convenience. The other times I have gotten the test elsewhere. There are testing sites around the city (the USA Embassy web site has a list). When I stayed in Laureles, I used the La America clinic. In Pobadlo, I use Poblado clinics. If you plan in advance, you can get it done domocilio.[/QUOTE]Just helping fellow travelers with the right info:

Per US embassy site Antigen test cost is $40-$45 USD in Medellin which is 150-180 k. In my Hotel they had an domicilio option for 150 k = $40 approx which they took a while to respond, so I went to Pablo Tabon Uribe Hospital instead and paid 180 k = $47 USD, 1 HR result via email. The cost is clear in the doc per testing site. No argument needed.

If the pricing at the Airport is truly 90 Mil = $24 or half the price of All other sites in Mde, which you still said it's High, I'd say it's a bargain. But honestly I doubt it's that cheap. There is a test "Anticuerpo = Antibody" test not valid for travel which usually is around 90 k. Just FYI.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2580782]There are plenty of girls not getting customers so it is not likely to affect her pride but she might feel embarrassed "lose face" if she lowers her price in front of others to go with a customer.

From my observation in BKK, there is very little chance a monger can get freebie when the girl is working. For a girl somewhat popular, they can pick the customer they want to go or spend more time with and still get paid because there are simply too many mongers that the number is in their favor.[/QUOTE]A few weeks back sum fool wrote his friend offered sum puta in MDE 3 million fucking pesos isn't that 6 mos salary (and he wrote "good for him" LMAO), I'm guessing that wasnt his starting bid? She really really didn't want to fuck him.

I see it all the time the most unattractive mongers among us (sorry someone has to be bottom LOL) will gravitate towards the more "attractive" putas in most venues.

They will get sodomized on price, and probably the worst service possible, but hey they got to walk out with her.

And everyone saw him leave with her jajajajaaaaa its all about generating "face" for sum.

So I'm guessing sum putas get tired of servicing the lower end of the monger ladder?

And when they see a monger they want to fuck, they don't care about the money aspect?

[QUOTE=FatmanSlayer;2580630]I'm going to be in Medellin in tomorrow for 10 days. Need to get a covid test within 3 days of my flight back to the US. Where do you guys recommend in Medellin? Needs to be antigen or NAaT.[/QUOTE]I asked at my hotel and they suggested the below which worked out quite well. I just swung by on my way from Lleras to Centro. There was some construction nearby and I needed a copy of my passport (had a pic on my phone thankfully) for registration, but aside from that it was quick and very professional. They gave me a print out and sent an email when I asked. $80 k / $20.

Centro Medico BlueCare. Las Palmas.

Calle 26 #38-26, Avenida las palmas, Torre 3, piso 13, Edificio Bio26, TEL: (4) 604-1445.

Hours: Mon to Fri (7 am-4 pm), Sat (7 am-11:30 am), Sun (CLOSED).

Other alternative (they come to you).

Xpress LAb.

Whatsapp: +57 300 202-1644.

Price: PCR ($280 k), Antigen ($160 k).

Chicago.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2580877]I asked at my hotel and they suggested the below which worked out quite well. I just swung by on my way from Lleras to Centro. There was some construction nearby and I needed a copy of my passport (had a pic on my phone thankfully) for registration, but aside from that it was quick and very professional. They gave me a print out and sent an email when I asked. $80 k / $20.

Centro Medico BlueCare. Las Palmas.

Calle 26 #38-26, Avenida las palmas, Torre 3, piso 13, Edificio Bio26, TEL: (4) 604-1445.

Hours: Mon to Fri (7 am-4 pm), Sat (7 am-11:30 am), Sun (CLOSED).

Other alternative (they come to you).

Xpress LAb.

Whatsapp: +57 300 202-1644.

Price: PCR ($280 k), Antigen ($160 k).

Chicago.[/QUOTE]IDIME labs, Torre Oviedo (opposite Sante Fe mall) only charge 50 k for the Antigen test. I got my results via email the following morning.

No appointment necessary.

Your experience is your experience, but trust me and my 16 years of experience including monthly trips to Medellin other than when the border closed. The airport site is simply a pain in the ass. It's an option, but a pain in the ass. You can get it cheaper elsewhere, but cost is not really the issue so much as convenience and comfort. Domicilio is the most convenient, but usually the most expensive. And I agree that you need to be careful with what test your get. You can get the PCR, but it's unnecessary. The alternative, which is cheaper and is still accepted is antigeno. You imply that I did not give the "right" information. But you are "wrong" about that. I don't talk about what I do not know.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2580866]Just helping fellow travelers with the right info:

Per US embassy site Antigen test cost is $40-$45 USD in Medellin which is 150-180 k. In my Hotel they had an domicilio option for 150 k = $40 approx which they took a while to respond, so I went to Pablo Tabon Uribe Hospital instead and paid 180 k = $47 USD, 1 HR result via email. The cost is clear in the doc per testing site. No argument needed.

If the pricing at the Airport is truly 90 Mil = $24 or half the price of All other sites in Mde, which you still said it's High, I'd say it's a bargain. But honestly I doubt it's that cheap. There is a test "Anticuerpo = Antibody" test not valid for travel which usually is around 90 k. Just FYI.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2580866]
If the pricing at the Airport is truly 90 Mil = $24 or half the price of All other sites in Mde, which you still said it's High, I'd say it's a bargain. But honestly I doubt it's that cheap. There is a test "Anticuerpo = Antibody" test not valid for travel which usually is around 90 k. Just FYI.[/QUOTE]This is the ad.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2580901]This is the ad.[/QUOTE]As I stated if true it's a great deal. I never stated you lied, just surprised you said it was high, when in fact it's half of the price of all of of the ones in the official list from the Embassy. I'm like I paid 180 k, you paid 90 and now an Ad that shows 80 and you claim it's High LOL. How? I want to go back to the hospital and fight for my money back now LOL.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2580866]Just helping fellow travelers with the right info:

Per US embassy site Antigen test cost is $40-$45 USD in Medellin which is 150-180 k. In my Hotel they had an domicilio option for 150 k = $40 approx which they took a while to respond, so I went to Pablo Tabon Uribe Hospital instead and paid 180 k = $47 USD, 1 HR result via email. The cost is clear in the doc per testing site. No argument needed.

If the pricing at the Airport is truly 90 Mil = $24 or half the price of All other sites in Mde, which you still said it's High, I'd say it's a bargain. But honestly I doubt it's that cheap. There is a test "Anticuerpo = Antibody" test not valid for travel which usually is around 90 k. Just FYI.[/QUOTE]If your travelling to the USA, the antigeno test is accepted and most people opt for it than the PCR test because it's so inexpensive and quick. Yet your saying that this test is not valid for travel, yet that is what you got tested for?

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2580852]I was there exactly at 9 PM and it started to rain around 10 minutes later. While walking down Calle 10 the rain started to get harder and harder. What I witnessed was accurate in terms of what I saw. Did you notice that one side of Lleras was closed. I had dinner with a friend who lives a few blocks away and the rain didn't start until right after 9 PM. I didn't go inside any of the clubs and can only imagine that the ones outside, approximately 20 had no umbrellas with them must of entered the clubs. Maybe not enough potential clients inside of them, hence they were outside. I have no experience with the Clubs around Lleras, but was surprised to see so many outside on the street at 9 PM immediately before the rain started. There were also girls on the side streets leading up to Lleras, did you notice them? Seemed odd to me so many out at 9 PM, but that's what I saw. As far as pricing, I have no clue except by what I read by others here.[/QUOTE]Yoooo, clubs were so packed with Gringos it was shoulder to shoulder. The thing about Lleras, many of the chicas simply Cannot or Not allowed to enter the clubs. The ones that enter are technically working for the club, hence asking for drinks to generate profit for the club etc and stick to certain rules and pricing (Gusto, Llera club mainly). Also many of the Venezolanas aren't allowed to enter, unless they're with a gringo. I had to sneak some in to use restroom, etc. But 9-10 p is way to early to bounce, the best honeys start showing up around 11/12. Some of those hop straight out of a taxi to inside quickly, so go in next time. I'm always surprised to see some of those myself cause I never see them in the street. If you get a table even better, most will join you for dancing or free lap dance trying to get your biz, or just walk around and collect digit it's worth it.

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[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2580923]Well I was at the scene when this happened. And I guess I'm the fool you're talking about. Lmao.

What's hilarious is just how bitter you are at girls making money (perhaps because some make more than you) and also how generously others spend. This particular guy wasn't old mid 30's and not a repulsive looking guy.

The fact is she was offered 3 million and it wasn't what she charged.

These are absolute 10000% facts.

You come on this forum with all your BS and knowledge of pros and the game.

I'm quite sure you're just a bitter person. Who the fuck are you to determine how much an individual girl is allowed to charge or make for her body..[/QUOTE]I don't think so LOL.

But if its possible I guess its because fools like you are so desperate, I remember when I was in grammar school, another boy (an immigrant from another country) would steal lots of money from his fathers.

Business and bring it to school, after school we would see girls walking home, and I think he would pay them $10 to kiss their hand, $50 to kiss their cheek.

But he could never bribe them with enough to get to kiss their mouths LOL.

He would offer larger amounts $100-200, and even these budding putas would not want his mouth on theirs, did you go to school in Chicago in the 1970's by any chance?

Is it you bro? LMAO.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2580903]As I stated if true it's a great deal. I never stated you lied, just surprised you said it was high, when in fact it's half of the price of all of of the ones in the official list from the Embassy. I'm like I paid 180 k, you paid 90 and now an Ad that shows 80 and you claim it's High LOL. How? I want to go back to the hospital and fight for my money back now LOL.[/QUOTE]You have mistaken me for someone else. I thought you want information that is not misleading.

[QUOTE=Mike6911;2580888]IDIME labs, Torre Oviedo (opposite Sante Fe mall) only charge 50 k for the Antigen test. I got my results via email the following morning.

No appointment necessary.[/QUOTE]I was in Medellin last month and did my antigen test at this location. However, I had to call a number and make an appointment.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2580980]I was in Medellin last month and did my antigen test at this location. However, I had to call a number and make an appointment.[/QUOTE]Do you have that number handy or can you tell us how you got it. I can ask my hotel receptionist to schedule it for me. Thanks.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2580981]Do you have that number handy or can you tell us how you got it. I can ask my hotel receptionist to schedule it for me. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I will look for it and if I find it, I will post it here. Another option is to walk to the location and get the number from them.

I got back from 2 weeks trip in Colombia. One of these weeks I spend in Medellin, 5 days in Bogota, 3 in Cartagena. Here are my random thoughts, reports and tips.

I read the forum and met a lot of advices about cheap girls in Centro and places like that. People were interested about cheap price rather then good quality. Well, I visited Centro but honestly it was very very low quality, the atmosphere in that kind of area is pretty awful and I'm thinking that you have to be really desperate to come to Centro for girls. Or a 50+ old gringo without a social media account.

Every girl that I met was from Tinder and Instagram, mostly from Insta. My Spanish is practically non existent and from the 7-8 girls that I met, non of them can speak English. But somehow that did not stop us of from having a really good time, mainly because of Google Translate, the positive chicks that I met and my Spanish vocabulary consisting 150 Spanish words.

Here you will read a lot of info about SWs, Centro girls, cheap options, etc. My report is for people who are looking for something else. I did not find a lot of info about that kind of travellers. I mean, people who are looking for a normal girls, working something in real life, going to university and so on. If you want a quality girl with tight pussy that did not fucked 100+ mens in the last 2 months, then go to Instagram. Send tons of messages, some of them will be answered and then it's easy. Colombian girls are super friendly, willing to meet gringos and to have some fun. Some of them will want $, some of them will want just you.

And because almost none of the reports here mention how much you give to the girls, I'll make an exception. I mean this info is pretty important and I don't'know why most of the brothers here are skipping that part. We do not care about reports "I fuck her all night, she finished 10+ times, I am the best lover in the world". So, some valuable info. I gave them from 0 to 300 pesos and some times I was so impressed that I gave them some tips (50-100 pesos) or I pay for the Uber.

I booked an Airbnb with a living room with a big nice sofa, kitchen with a bar area with 2 bar chairs. Separate bedroom. All the time I had in stock beer, wine, ice cream, chocolate and things like that. The effect is that the girl comes and then did not want to leave. Most of the times the girls stayed 4-5-6 hours. We fucked like crazy animals, drinking naked all the time, the girls are dancing, having fun hours after they planed to leave. And they know how to show their gratitude to you for the good time that they have.

So my honest advice is forget about cheap SWs, Centro girls, Parque Lleras, etc. And do not bargain for 50 pesos. Why, what's the point? We are tourist, come here to have fun, not to save money. Pay 100-200 pesos extra and enjoy life. After all let's not forgive that 100 pesos are $25. The girls came to your own place, you know pretty good what to expect after scanning the Insta profile and you got a normal girl, not а girl that is literally depreciated (both physical and mentally).

The summary was:

- 7 different girls. Almost all of them stayed 5+ hours. The "oldest" was 23 years old. Most of them 20-21.

- 3 asses fucked, one of them virgin. And she stayed from 6 pm to midnight. Yeah, it was really memorable night!

- one 18 years old lesbian, living with her girlfriend from more then a year. And yeah, you can see that from her Insta profile.

- Tons of photos, videos and good memories. With most of the girls we keep in touch even after I came back.

- I showed the photos and the videos to my friends and now everybody either hates me or wants to come to Colombia. Or both jajaja.

Yeah, I spend twice more than the SWs lovers. But I spent it on a nice airbnb; wines, beers and ice creams, and on a quality girls. And I'm a happy man. That's the most important thing.

Just got back from my trip to Colombia. I spent about 4 days in Medellin and and a week in the Santa Marta area during more nature / touristy stuff (beaches, mountains, waterfalls, etc.) This was the first vacation I've had in a while so I didn't want to make it just about mongering. Now onto the time in Medellin, which was focused on mongering (outside of a day trip to Guatape):

I tried my best to sample all of the mongering options available (online, SWs, brothels, the mansion) and IMO the right way to do mongering in Medellin is to build a list of online contacts before you come and chill out in an Airbnb having the girls come to you. If you want to ease into things, start by staying a few nights at the mansion where girls will be handed to you on a silver platter and then the rest in an airbnb. Once in a while, splurge on the high end brothels like Loutron.

This advice is coming from the perspective of a younger guy. For me, the most important thing is getting to fuck solid 9's and 10's. A lot of people in this forum will talk about cento girls but the truth is the quality (at least from what I saw) is lower than what I can reasonably expect to get on my own in America, so why the fuck would I come to Colombia to fuck those chicks? I get some older members or maybe certain types of mongers get a kick out of being "centro rats", but if you're a younger dude, skip that shit.

For me, the main appeal of my time mongering in Colombia was being able to fuck a couple of 9's and 10's that normally I would have no chance with. I did try out the SW and lower cost options and it ended up just being a waste of time for me. The highlight for me was Loutron. It's a high end brothel (300 k+) where you go to a mansion over looking the city. You sit down and a bunch of girls come out one by one, unrobe, spin around, and leave for the next one to come. At the end, you choose the girl you like. I think that experience (the mansion, the lineup, etc.) is worth experiencing at least once, so I highly recommend it. At Loutron, I got to fuck a solid 10 for the first time ever. The way I define a solid 10 is a girl that turns heads everywhere she goes and could easily be a pornstar based on looks. You aren't going to find this in centro.

TLDR; if you're young and thinking about coming to Colombia, go for it. It's a hell of a time. BUT ignore the standard advice you see in this forum of picking up girls on Centro and shit. Chill out in a nice apartment and be prepared to spend some money on quality 9's and 10's (still only like $50-$100) That's really where the magic is.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2580989]I got back from 2 weeks trip in Colombia. One of these weeks I spend in Medellin, 5 days in Bogota, 3 in Cartagena. Here are my random thoughts, reports and tips.

I read the forum and met a lot of advices about cheap girls in Centro and places like that. People were interested about cheap price rather then good quality. Well, I visited Centro but honestly it was very very low quality, the atmosphere in that kind of area is pretty awful and I'm thinking that you have to be really desperate to come to Centro for girls. Or a 50+ old gringo without a social media account.

Every girl that I met was from Tinder and Instagram, mostly from Insta. My Spanish is practically non existent and from the 7-8 girls that I met, non of them can speak English. But somehow that did not stop us of from having a really good time, mainly because of Google Translate, the positive chicks that I met and my Spanish vocabulary consisting 150 Spanish words.[/QUOTE]This is a really great report. I haven't been to Colombia yet, but another app I'd imagine could lead to a similar experience is Seeking Arrangements (may want to look into it for next time). You do have to pay for a membership unfortunately, but I think it could be worth it. I'm not too familiar with finding girls on Instagram, how did you go about doing that? Also was bringing girls up to the nice Airbnb ever an issue or did they just blend in that well?

Thanks for the great report. Glad you had an amazing trip!

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2580989]I got back from 2 weeks trip in Colombia. One of these weeks I spend in Medellin, 5 days in Bogota, 3 in Cartagena. Here are my random thoughts, reports and tips.

I read the forum and met a lot of advices about cheap girls in Centro and places like that. People were interested about cheap price rather then good quality. Well, I visited Centro but honestly it was very very low quality, the atmosphere in that kind of area is pretty awful and I'm thinking that you have to be really desperate to come to Centro for girls. Or a 50+ old gringo without a social media account.

Every girl that I met was from Tinder and Instagram, mostly from Insta. My Spanish is practically non existent and from the 7-8 girls that I met, non of them can speak English. But somehow that did not stop us of from having a really good time, mainly because of Google Translate, the positive chicks that I met and my Spanish vocabulary consisting 150 Spanish words.

Here you will read a lot of info about SWs, Centro girls, cheap options, etc. My report is for people who are looking for something else. I did not find a lot of info about that kind of travellers. I mean, people who are looking for a normal girls, working something in real life, going to university and so on. If you want a quality girl with tight pussy that did not fucked 100+ mens in the last 2 months, then go to Instagram. Send tons of messages, some of them will be answered and then it's easy. Colombian girls are super friendly, willing to meet gringos and to have some fun. Some of them will want $, some of them will want just you.

And because almost none of the reports here mention how much you give to the girls, I'll make an exception. I mean this info is pretty important and I don't'know why most of the brothers here are skipping that part. We do not care about reports "I fuck her all night, she finished 10+ times, I am the best lover in the world". So, some valuable info. I gave them from 0 to 300 pesos and some times I was so impressed that I gave them some tips (50-100 pesos) or I pay for the Uber.

I booked an Airbnb with a living room with a big nice sofa, kitchen with a bar area with 2 bar chairs. Separate bedroom. All the time I had in stock beer, wine, ice cream, chocolate and things like that. The effect is that the girl comes and then did not want to leave. Most of the times the girls stayed 4-5-6 hours. We fucked like crazy animals, drinking naked all the time, the girls are dancing, having fun hours after they planed to leave. And they know how to show their gratitude to you for the good time that they have.

So my honest advice is forget about cheap SWs, Centro girls, Parque Lleras, etc. And do not bargain for 50 pesos. Why, what's the point? We are tourist, come here to have fun, not to save money. Pay 100-200 pesos extra and enjoy life. After all let's not forgive that 100 pesos are $25. The girls came to your own place, you know pretty good what to expect after scanning the Insta profile and you got a normal girl, not а girl that is literally depreciated (both physical and mentally).

The summary was:

- 7 different girls. Almost all of them stayed 5+ hours. The "oldest" was 23 years old. Most of them 20-21.

- 3 asses fucked, one of them virgin. And she stayed from 6 pm to midnight. Yeah, it was really memorable night!

- one 18 years old lesbian, living with her girlfriend from more then a year. And yeah, you can see that from her Insta profile.

- Tons of photos, videos and good memories. With most of the girls we keep in touch even after I came back.

- I showed the photos and the videos to my friends and now everybody either hates me or wants to come to Colombia. Or both jajaja.

Yeah, I spend twice more than the SWs lovers. But I spent it on a nice airbnb; wines, beers and ice creams, and on a quality girls. And I'm a happy man. That's the most important thing.[/QUOTE]Hey, we all roll differently. Some are into fb, others Lleras, others Fas Dos, others Centro. Me, I'm a strictly casa man; apparently not many of us around now. However, you have piqued my interest in Instagram. You stated "Some of them will want $, some of them will want just you". My experience has been that those who want $ have been significantly hotter than those who want just me. Obviously, you younger and handsomer guys out there may fare differently.

I get it, but sounds a bit more boring than I imagined it would be. I guess the selling point is the convenience of access to girls without having to do the legwork on your own which can be expensive and time consuming. For those of you that have been to European brothels where all the women are completely nude, I imagined that the women would be nude or scantilly clad so you would see what you're getting as well as enticing you to purchase the merch.

[QUOTE=CharmCityDave;2579482]There is no nudity at the pool. They get complaints from the neighbors as it is. At night in the bar there will be strip shows and some girls will sometimes get a little more wild, especially if guys are tipping them to do so.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2580989]I got back from 2 weeks trip in Colombia. One of these weeks I spend in Medellin, 5 days in Bogota, 3 in Cartagena. Here are my random thoughts, reports and tips.

I read the forum and met a lot of advices about cheap girls in Centro and places like that. People were interested about cheap price rather then good quality. Well, I visited Centro but honestly it was very very low quality, the atmosphere in that kind of area is pretty awful and I'm thinking that you have to be really desperate to come to Centro for girls. Or a 50+ old gringo without a social media account.

Every girl that I met was from Tinder and Instagram, mostly from Insta. My Spanish is practically non existent and from the 7-8 girls that I met, non of them can speak English. But somehow that did not stop us of from having a really good time, mainly because of Google Translate, the positive chicks that I met and my Spanish vocabulary consisting 150 Spanish words.

Here you will read a lot of info about SWs, Centro girls, cheap options, etc. My report is for people who are looking for something else. I did not find a lot of info about that kind of travellers. I mean, people who are looking for a normal girls, working something in real life, going to university and so on. If you want a quality girl with tight pussy that did not fucked 100+ mens in the last 2 months, then go to Instagram. Send tons of messages, some of them will be answered and then it's easy. Colombian girls are super friendly, willing to meet gringos and to have some fun. Some of them will want $, some of them will want just you.

And because almost none of the reports here mention how much you give to the girls, I'll make an exception. I mean this info is pretty important and I don't'know why most of the brothers here are skipping that part. We do not care about reports "I fuck her all night, she finished 10+ times, I am the best lover in the world". So, some valuable info. I gave them from 0 to 300 pesos and some times I was so impressed that I gave them some tips (50-100 pesos) or I pay for the Uber.

I booked an Airbnb with a living room with a big nice sofa, kitchen with a bar area with 2 bar chairs. Separate bedroom. All the time I had in stock beer, wine, ice cream, chocolate and things like that. The effect is that the girl comes and then did not want to leave. Most of the times the girls stayed 4-5-6 hours. We fucked like crazy animals, drinking naked all the time, the girls are dancing, having fun hours after they planed to leave. And they know how to show their gratitude to you for the good time that they have.

So my honest advice is forget about cheap SWs, Centro girls, Parque Lleras, etc. And do not bargain for 50 pesos. Why, what's the point? We are tourist, come here to have fun, not to save money. Pay 100-200 pesos extra and enjoy life. After all let's not forgive that 100 pesos are $25. The girls came to your own place, you know pretty good what to expect after scanning the Insta profile and you got a normal girl, not а girl that is literally depreciated (both physical and mentally).

The summary was:

- 7 different girls. Almost all of them stayed 5+ hours. The "oldest" was 23 years old. Most of them 20-21.

- 3 asses fucked, one of them virgin. And she stayed from 6 pm to midnight. Yeah, it was really memorable night!

- one 18 years old lesbian, living with her girlfriend from more then a year. And yeah, you can see that from her Insta profile.

- Tons of photos, videos and good memories. With most of the girls we keep in touch even after I came back.

- I showed the photos and the videos to my friends and now everybody either hates me or wants to come to Colombia. Or both jajaja.

Yeah, I spend twice more than the SWs lovers. But I spent it on a nice airbnb; wines, beers and ice creams, and on a quality girls. And I'm a happy man. That's the most important thing.[/QUOTE]Excellent report! I'll be back in Colombia next month and hope to provide some information about El Eje Cafetero. Any chance you could share or PM the search keywords you used on Instagram? Thanks again for the report!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2581097]Hey, we all roll differently. Some are into fb, others Lleras, others Fas Dos, others Centro. Me, I'm a strictly casa man; apparently not many of us around now. However, you have piqued my interest in Instagram. You stated "Some of them will want $, some of them will want just you". My experience has been that those who want $ have been significantly hotter than those who want just me. Obviously, you younger and handsomer guys out there may fare differently.[/QUOTE]Is there a certain area where there is a cluster of casas within walking distance of each other or are they scattered all over the place? If you don't mind me asking, where you stay and what are your favorite casas? I have found lists of them but have no experience in Colombia and don't know where to start.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2581097]Hey, we all roll differently. Some are into fb, others Lleras, others Fas Dos, others Centro. Me, I'm a strictly casa man; apparently not many of us around now. However, you have piqued my interest in Instagram. You stated "Some of them will want $, some of them will want just you". My experience has been that those who want $ have been significantly hotter than those who want just me. Obviously, you younger and handsomer guys out there may fare differently.[/QUOTE]I'm in Medellin now for the next 30 days. I used the info I learned here and the map (also from here). And I have been to the casas three days in a row! I love the simplicity and cheapness of them.

First time in Medellin. Here is my report to help those that want to visit. First of all I am not a guy that likes to pick up girls on the street and go to a short term hotel although I have done it a few times before. I like quality and am prepared to pay for it at Colombian prices. Arrived on Tuesday afternoon and arranged to meet a girl from SA that lives in Bogota but was here for a week. She was beautiful, classy and spoke perfect English. But cost more than the usual. She arrived Tuesday evening and I checked her in at the hotel I was staying for 2 night. The hotel is in the middle of Parque Lleras and was called the Charlee. Very unique and classy hotel but wouldn't stay there again. Had a great meal at Carmen and then we spent the night and following day together. Wasn't exciting enough for me so I had her leave the following evening.

Wednesday night went to apparently the best strip club here called La Isla. It is in a building that is like a big warehouse but inside is nice and comfortable. A lot of stunning women in here and it was hard to make a choice. Had some drinks with a couple of different ones. Not cheap think they were 33,000 pesos each so around $9. My hotel wouldn't let me check another one in so decided to have fun on premises. Hotel attached to club and rooms were clean. Total cost 320,000 pesos (around $90) for an amazing 45 minutes. If you pay in dollars they only give you an exchange rate of 3,200 so $100 in US money. Yes I know it is expensive compared to one off the street but the quality was different class. The one I had showed me photos where she won a big beauty pageant in Colombia. She was that good.

Left the club and decided to walk around the park around my hotel. Full of bars, clubs and girls on the street. Mostly from Venezuela is seemed. Got hit on of course many times. I wasn't interested but pretended I was. They start at 300,000 and come down quickly when you say no. I am guessing 150,000 would do it at peak times and then the cost of a short term hotel. As the night goes on I am guessing 100,000 would be readily available.

Following day moved to a 5 star hotel away from the park booked on Hotwire. NH Collection Medellin Royal. $34 per night including breakfast. Crazy cheap.

Went for dinner around the park and then visited a club called Gusto. Quite a few girls in there but not the same quality as La Isla so headed there again. Found another beauty and same thing as the night before 320,000 pesos. I didn't want to bring her to my hotel as would have cost a fortune and quite honestly I wanted to wake up early by myself as I had an early business meeting.

Last day was the highlight of my trip. Visited the massage place Loutron which used to be owned by Pablo Escobar. Only 10 minutes away it is hidden away in the mountains and is a spectacular house. You sit down in a beautiful room and there is a notebook and pen for you. The girls come in one by one and you decide which one you want. They introduce themselves in their white coats and undress to show you front and back. Out of the 10 I saw there were 2 stunners but the other 8 were all more than acceptable. Went to an amazing room and spent an hour in heaven, massage, blow job and sex. Total cost 330,000 pesos. An amazing experience and one you must take advantage of while in Medellin if you can afford it. Only thing it took forever to get an Uber back from there. Heading back now and would say it was an OK trip. But Loutron made it extra special. I still like Brazil better but this is much closer for me of course living in Florida. And cheaper. Fro those that don't want to pay this kind of money and don't want to pick off the street I would say go to either Gusto or Parque Lleras bar for a drink and you will find nothing but working girls in there and will cost you less than La Isla or Loutron. But those are 5 star visits!

Hi fellow mongers,

I will be visiting next weekend to Medellin. If anyone can suggest a good hotel and no Chica fee and places to go to get some good chicas. My Spanish is limited. Not looking for cheap girls'. Quality over Quantity. And willing to pay more (But how much? 7-10 range Chicas).

Also any website (Escort, dating, Agency etc) would be very helpful.

TIA.

[QUOTE=Daga2222;2580998]Just got back from my trip to Colombia. I spent about 4 days in Medellin and and a week in the Santa Marta area during more nature / touristy stuff (beaches, mountains, waterfalls, etc.) This was the first vacation I've had in a while so I didn't want to make it just about mongering. Now onto the time in Medellin, which was focused on mongering (outside of a day trip to Guatape):

I tried my best to sample all of the mongering options available (online, SWs, brothels, the mansion) and IMO the right way to do mongering in Medellin is to build a list of online contacts before you come and chill out in an Airbnb having the girls come to you. If you want to ease into things, start by staying a few nights at the mansion where girls will be handed to you on a silver platter and then the rest in an airbnb. Once in a while, splurge on the high end brothels like Loutron.

This advice is coming from the perspective of a younger guy. For me, the most important thing is getting to fuck solid 9's and 10's. A lot of people in this forum will talk about cento girls but the truth is the quality (at least from what I saw) is lower than what I can reasonably expect to get on my own in America, so why the fuck would I come to Colombia to fuck those chicks? I get some older members or maybe certain types of mongers get a kick out of being "centro rats", but if you're a younger dude, skip that shit.[/QUOTE]Can you post some examples of these 9's and 10's you are getting for $50-100?

[QUOTE=Daga2222;2580998]Just got back from my trip to Colombia. I spent about 4 days in Medellin and and a week in the Santa Marta area during more nature / touristy stuff (beaches, mountains, waterfalls, etc.) This was the first vacation I've had in a while so I didn't want to make it just about mongering. Now onto the time in Medellin, which was focused on mongering (outside of a day trip to Guatape):

I tried my best to sample all of the mongering options available (online, SWs, brothels, the mansion) and IMO the right way to do mongering in Medellin is to build a list of online contacts before you come and chill out in an Airbnb having the girls come to you. If you want to ease into things, start by staying a few nights at the mansion where girls will be handed to you on a silver platter and then the rest in an airbnb. Once in a while, splurge on the high end brothels like Loutron.

This advice is coming from the perspective of a younger guy. For me, the most important thing is getting to fuck solid 9's and 10's. A lot of people in this forum will talk about cento girls but the truth is the quality (at least from what I saw) is lower than what I can reasonably expect to get on my own in America, so why the fuck would I come to Colombia to fuck those chicks? I get some older members or maybe certain types of mongers get a kick out of being "centro rats", but if you're a younger dude, skip that shit.

For me, the main appeal of my time mongering in Colombia was being able to fuck a couple of 9's and 10's that normally I would have no chance with. I did try out the SW and lower cost options and it ended up just being a waste of time for me. The highlight for me was Loutron. It's a high end brothel (300 k+) where you go to a mansion over looking the city. You sit down and a bunch of girls come out one by one, unrobe, spin around, and leave for the next one to come. At the end, you choose the girl you like. I think that experience (the mansion, the lineup, etc.) is worth experiencing at least once, so I highly recommend it. At Loutron, I got to fuck a solid 10 for the first time ever. The way I define a solid 10 is a girl that turns heads everywhere she goes and could easily be a pornstar based on looks. You aren't going to find this in centro.

TLDR; if you're young and thinking about coming to Colombia, go for it. It's a hell of a time. BUT ignore the standard advice you see in this forum of picking up girls on Centro and shit. Chill out in a nice apartment and be prepared to spend some money on quality 9's and 10's (still only like $50-$100) That's really where the magic is.[/QUOTE]This is a report catered to weekend warriors who come for the first time and don't speak a lick of spanish. If you want girls handed to you on a silver plattter then by all means go to loutron fase dos. To say it's the be-all end all is laughable. The girls that work the high end clubs and the ones in centro are from the same barrios more or less. The difference is they get all dolled up, get surgically enhanced, and presented through a facade to the gringos eyes. I have been fucking 3-4 girls a day between sw, centro club, and casas, the past few months here, and there are always lots of 8's everyday. What makes them a 9 and a 10 is an illusion.

And if you're a younger dude, why tf would you skip centro to go to loutron and not vice versa? You have youth on your side on the streets, it's common sense really.

Funnily enough, I can't bust a nut with a solid 9 at conejitas, but I can blow a load with a 30 k chubby brunette with green eyes behind the church because her pussy is so much better.

Yes, the classic centro vs high end debate that goes on every weeek seemingly here. Its not a money thing, I could go to lleras every night if I wanted to. The girls are just a lot more fake, and literal seasoned pros who deal with gringos who use a translator every night and get fleeced, often tipping 50-100 k + like Onojdi. Centro girls are the girl next door types, the ones you see on the metro or working a coffee stand.

IMO talent is more or less the same, , but in the more expensive places theyre selling you the dream, like you're hugh hefner, where as in centro you have to do the work and make her like you. she can be a total ***** or just whatever towards you, where in the clubs their job depends on your experience/

In fact yesterday I fucked a solid 9 in raudal that was standing, in the doorway, estefania. 22 yo vennie blue eyes spinner 5 ft 3 face like selena gomez. Go see for yourselves she's probably there rn.

Anyways, why tf would I want a girl in my airbnb? . I don't want a stranger around my belongings. IMO a very presumptuous report that makes a lot of generalisations based on a 4 day trip with no spanish. Sorry if harsh.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2580989]I got back from 2 weeks trip in Colombia.

And because almost none of the reports here mention how much you give to the girls, I'll make an exception. I mean this info is pretty important and I don't'know why most of the brothers here are skipping that part. We do not care about reports "I fuck her all night, she finished 10+ times, I am the best lover in the world". So, some valuable info. I gave them from 0 to 300 pesos and some times I was so impressed that I gave them some tips (50-100 pesos) or I pay for the Uber.

So my honest advice is forget about cheap SWs, Centro girls, Parque Lleras, etc. And do not bargain for 50 pesos. Why, what's the point? We are tourist, come here to have fun, not to save money. Pay 100-200 pesos extra and enjoy life. After all let's not forgive that 100 pesos are $25. The girls came to your own place, you know pretty good what to expect after scanning the Insta profile and you got a normal girl, not а girl that is literally depreciated (both physical and mentally).

Yeah, I spend twice more than the SWs lovers. But I spent it on a nice airbnb; wines, beers and ice creams, and on a quality girls. And I'm a happy man. That's the most important thing.[/QUOTE]Super. Glad to hear you had a great time. You spent what you wanted and found a way to suit you. Others, myself included, prefer other options. I quite like Club Colombia Roja. I can buy it from the street corner for 3. 000 pesos. I-ll be damned if I am going to go to a place where I have to pay 10.000 for the same goddamn beer. That's how I see the cost of things. It doesn't taste any better simply bcos I paid more for it. I have been in both corners and am happier where I am now. .

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2581153]This is a report catered to weekend warriors who come for the first time and don't speak a lick of spanish. If you want girls handed to you on a silver plattter then by all means go to loutron fase dos. To say it's the be-all end all is laughable. The girls that work the high end clubs and the ones in centro are from the same barrios more or less. The difference is they get all dolled up, get surgically enhanced, and presented through a facade to the gringos eyes. I have been fucking 3-4 girls a day between sw, centro club, and casas, the past few months here, and there are always lots of 8's everyday. What makes them a 9 and a 10 is an illusion.

Anyways, why tf would I want a girl in my airbnb? . I don't want a stranger around my belongings. IMO a very presumptuous report that makes a lot of generalisations based on a 4 day trip with no spanish. Sorry if harsh.[/QUOTE]Haha, got to say this aligns with my view too. I also prefer the general personality of the grils in Centro. Lot my humble and real. Less BS and pretensions. I have enough of that BS when I am at home.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2581153]This is a report catered to weekend warriors who come for the first time and don't speak a lick of spanish. If you want girls handed to you on a silver plattter then by all means go to loutron fase dos. To say it's the be-all end all is laughable. The girls that work the high end clubs and the ones in centro are from the same barrios more or less. The difference is they get all dolled up, get surgically enhanced, and presented through a facade to the gringos eyes. I have been fucking 3-4 girls a day between sw, centro club, and casas, the past few months here, and there are always lots of 8's everyday. What makes them a 9 and a 10 is an illusion.

And if you're a younger dude, why tf would you skip centro to go to loutron and not vice versa? You have youth on your side on the streets, it's common sense really.

Funnily enough, I can't bust a nut with a solid 9 at conejitas, but I can blow a load with a 30 k chubby brunette with green eyes behind the church because her pussy is so much better.

Yes, the classic centro vs high end debate that goes on every weeek seemingly here. Its not a money thing, I could go to lleras every night if I wanted to. The girls are just a lot more fake, and literal seasoned pros who deal with gringos who use a translator every night and get fleeced, often tipping 50-100 k + like Onojdi. Centro girls are the girl next door types, the ones you see on the metro or working a coffee stand.[/QUOTE]I wish when someone posted a post like they did, they would share some demo information on themselves to add some context to what they write here!

I will show what I mean.

I am a German white guy blonde hair blue eyes 6'3 180 lbs, 54 yo from Chicago, next.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2581145]Can you post some examples of these 9's and 10's you are getting for $50-100?[/QUOTE]I didn't take any pics but $50-$100 is a lot of money in Colombia. $100 is 350 k pesos which is about as much as you could expect to shell out for a girl (at the highest end strip club or brothel). Now that's not to say spending more guarantees you a 9 or 10, but you literally can't reasonably spend more than $100 for an encounter tbh. Otherwise you're getting hosed or doing some overnight thing (which is fine).

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2581153]This is a report catered to weekend warriors who come for the first time and don't speak a lick of spanish. If you want girls handed to you on a silver plattter then by all means go to loutron fase dos. To say it's the be-all end all is laughable. The girls that work the high end clubs and the ones in centro are from the same barrios more or less. The difference is they get all dolled up, get surgically enhanced, and presented through a facade to the gringos eyes. I have been fucking 3-4 girls a day between sw, centro club, and casas, the past few months here, and there are always lots of 8's everyday. What makes them a 9 and a 10 is an illusion.

And if you're a younger dude, why tf would you skip centro to go to loutron and not vice versa? You have youth on your side on the streets, it's common sense really.

Funnily enough, I can't bust a nut with a solid 9 at conejitas, but I can blow a load with a 30 k chubby brunette with green eyes behind the church because her pussy is so much better.

Yes, the classic centro vs high end debate that goes on every weeek seemingly here. Its not a money thing, I could go to lleras every night if I wanted to. The girls are just a lot more fake, and literal seasoned pros who deal with gringos who use a translator every night and get fleeced, often tipping 50-100 k + like Onojdi. Centro girls are the girl next door types, the ones you see on the metro or working a coffee stand.[/QUOTE]I knew my report would piss off some of the long time regulars which is why I prefaced it by saying I'm a younger guy that clearly has different preferences from you guys. Different strokes for different folks. My advice is meant for younger guys like me (20's to 30's) that want to experience and be sold the "dream" as you describe it. We're a completely different demographic with completely different wants and it looks like I'm not alone. Just recently one guy posted about how he shacked up in an Airbnb and invited girls over using Tinder and Insta and much preferred it to the scene at centro. You are the presumptuous one if you think that isn't a viable strategy. Another guy posted about how the highlight of his trip was Loutron. The same high end place that "sells you the dream" which you don't like. Everyone has different preferences. If you enjoy picking up chicks in Centro, great. I just don't think younger guys coming to Colombia would like doing the same thing because we can get the same thing back home. There's probably a special type of appeal picking up chicks for cheap in centro has for you guys. But for dudes that want to come here and fuck pornstar types and live it up, Centro ain't it.

Hello,

I am new here but not new to the mongering thing but have never been to Colombia. I had some Credit with Jetblue so I decided to book a ticket to Bogota next month. It seems like everyone universally prefers Medellin and Cartagena for the women is there a particular reason that I am missing? I wanted to stay in Bogota because I like the cooler climate but Have now decided to spend only a day or 2 there and then go to Medellin for a week due to all the positive reviews.

[QUOTE=Chadthundrcock;2581125]Is there a certain area where there is a cluster of casas
...
I have found lists of them but have no experience in Colombia and don't know where to start.[/QUOTE] You can start with New Life on this list.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2561559]Guys.

I checked all the places I could find and added dates to them.

So, Come on guys give us the latest's information on each Place.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&mid=1UxdkQ9-vm36hqZmjE87YQcheNFdWBiKd&ll=6.224431961843611%2C-75.55156482421874&z=13[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2581153]In fact yesterday I fucked a solid 9 in raudal[/QUOTE]Aren't you too young to be in El Centro?

[QUOTE=Daga2222;2581177]I didn't take any pics but $50-$100 is a lot of money in Colombia. $100 is 350 k pesos which is about as much as you could expect to shell out for a girl (at the highest end strip club or brothel). Now that's not to say spending more guarantees you a 9 or 10, but you literally can't reasonably spend more than $100 for an encounter tbh. Otherwise you're getting hosed or doing some overnight thing (which is fine).[/QUOTE]I should of mentioned I have been to Medellin several times so I'm aware that $100 goes a long ways. $50 is pushing it but $100 plus a possible tip / cab fare / food drinks etc is too much especially with the current exchange rate and the state of Colombia as a whole. I'm far from a seasoned vet but thankfully through some quick trial and error, this board, and some friends I have made in the states who are from Medellin. I have realized the $100+ airbnb, high end strip clubs, instagram girls etc is completely unnecessary. To each their own though, I'm a simple man and the girls in centro do me just fine, I'm also only 28 so a lot of times it ends up being free too.

[QUOTE=Daga2222;2581177]I didn't take any pics but $50-$100 is a lot of money in Colombia. $100 is 350 k pesos which is about as much as you could expect to shell out for a girl (at the highest end strip club or brothel). Now that's not to say spending more guarantees you a 9 or 10, but you literally can't reasonably spend more than $100 for an encounter tbh. Otherwise you're getting hosed or doing some overnight thing (which is fine).[/QUOTE]No shit!

That's exactly why you shouldn't be paying that much for a pop.

In a 3rd world country, 100 usd is a couple weeks salary.

Surf what is the price in centro? 30 mil? That's about one days pay for a Colombian, do you think that's underpaying them?

Cmon bro.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2581153]This is a report catered to weekend warriors who come for the first time and don't speak a lick of spanish. If you want girls handed to you on a silver plattter then by all means go to loutron fase dos. To say it's the be-all end all is laughable. The girls that work the high end clubs and the ones in centro are from the same barrios more or less. The difference is they get all dolled up, get surgically enhanced, and presented through a facade to the gringos eyes. I have been fucking 3-4 girls a day between sw, centro club, and casas, the past few months here, and there are always lots of 8's everyday. What makes them a 9 and a 10 is an illusion.

And if you're a younger dude, why tf would you skip centro to go to loutron and not vice versa? You have youth on your side on the streets, it's common sense really.

Funnily enough, I can't bust a nut with a solid 9 at conejitas, but I can blow a load with a 30 k chubby brunette with green eyes behind the church because her pussy is so much better.

Yes, the classic centro vs high end debate that goes on every weeek seemingly here. Its not a money thing, I could go to lleras every night if I wanted to. The girls are just a lot more fake, and literal seasoned pros who deal with gringos who use a translator every night and get fleeced, often tipping 50-100 k + like Onojdi. Centro girls are the girl next door types, the ones you see on the metro or working a coffee stand.

IMO talent is more or less the same, , but in the more expensive places theyre selling you the dream, like you're hugh hefner, where as in centro you have to do the work and make her like you. she can be a total ***** or just whatever towards you, where in the clubs their job depends on your experience/

In fact yesterday I fucked a solid 9 in raudal that was standing, in the doorway, estefania. 22 yo vennie blue eyes spinner 5 ft 3 face like selena gomez. Go see for yourselves she's probably there rn.

Anyways, why tf would I want a girl in my airbnb? . I don't want a stranger around my belongings. IMO a very presumptuous report that makes a lot of generalisations based on a 4 day trip with no spanish. Sorry if harsh.[/QUOTE]I highly doubt you fucked a solid 9. I haven't seen any 9's in El Centro, even 8's are very hard to find. What makes them a 9 is not only the fact that they get dolled up, but also a healthy lifestyle. Healthy food, gym, good sleep, no stress, no bad habits (smoking, etc), low mileage. All of the above take a lot of effort, time and money. Yeah, eating clean is pricey. Do you know why most of them are fat? Because they eat cheap unhealthy food and they don't exercise. They are just too broke to eat clean. A true 9 will never work El Centro, because she will be in high demand and since the supply of 9's is low, her rate will go up. Guys will always pay premium for high quality, anywhere on the planet. When someone says "I fucked a solid 9 in El Centro" (and for how much? 50-70 mil cop?) I get skeptical.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2580989]. And do not bargain for 50 pesos. Why, what's the point? We are tourist, come here to have fun, not to save money. Pay 100-200 pesos extra and enjoy life. After all let's not forgive that 100 pesos are $25.[/QUOTE]You might have forgot some zeros.

100 Colombian pesos is $.02 cents US.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2581163]Haha, got to say this aligns with my view too. I also prefer the general personality of the grils in Centro. Lot my humble and real. Less BS and pretensions. I have enough of that BS when I am at home.[/QUOTE]How do you get to know her personality within a 15-20 mins timeframe in a tiny motel room? They are sex machines, serving multiple dicks a day. What personality are you talking about? You go in, fuck, get out. Sometimes without asking her name.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2580989]I got back from 2 weeks trip in Colombia. One of these weeks I spend in Medellin, 5 days in Bogota, 3 in Cartagena. Here are my random thoughts, reports and tips.

The summary was:

- 7 different girls. Almost all of them stayed 5+ hours. The "oldest" was 23 years old. Most of them 20-21.

- 3 asses fucked, one of them virgin. And she stayed from 6 pm to midnight. Yeah, it was really memorable night!

- one 18 years old lesbian, living with her girlfriend from more then a year. And yeah, you can see that from her Insta profile.

- Tons of photos, videos and good memories. With most of the girls we keep in touch even after I came back.

- I showed the photos and the videos to my friends and now everybody either hates me or wants to come to Colombia. Or both jajaja.

Yeah, I spend twice more than the SWs lovers. But I spent it on a nice airbnb; wines, beers and ice creams, and on a quality girls. And I'm a happy man. That's the most important thing.[/QUOTE]I guess this begs the question of what strategy you used to find these Instagram sex kittens?

Were there keywords you searched with bedises 'Medellin'?

[QUOTE=Edifice2020;2581142]Hi fellow mongers,

I will be visiting next weekend to Medellin. If anyone can suggest a good hotel and no Chica fee and places to go to get some good chicas. My Spanish is limited. Not looking for cheap girls'. Quality over Quantity. And willing to pay more (But how much? 7-10 range Chicas).

Also any website (Escort, dating, Agency etc) would be very helpful.

TIA.[/QUOTE]Ill be there next wee if you want to meet up, I'm fluent en espanol.

And the plan is for us to get STD tested before we meet up so we don't have to use condoms. (Assuming we both test clean--I know I will LOL).

Any suggestions for getting STD tested? Anyone know the costs are how long it takes to get results? Anyone know what kind of proof they offer so If my girls get tested without me, I can see proof they really were tested and a re negative? I'd like some bareback action with a couple of them--but I don't want to be stupid about it.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2581230]No shit!

That's exactly why you shouldn't be paying that much for a pop.

In a 3rd world country, 100 usd is a couple weeks salary.

Surf what is the price in centro? 30 mil? That's about one days pay for a Colombian, do you think that's underpaying them?

Cmon bro.[/QUOTE]You don't get it. I'm not paying $100 for the pussy. I'm paying $100 for the convenience of not having to go hunting in centro for the rare decent looking chick. I'm paying $100 to be able to relax at my own place in my nice bed and have a chick come over rather than be in some dingy short time hotel in Centro. Or $100 to go to a mansion in the hills and be shown a line up where there's at least a couple of guaranteed 9's. We're so diametrically opposed to how we monger that it would be difficult for you to understand. If you like the deals you get in Centro and are willing to put in the work, more power to you. I want something else entirely.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2581251]I highly doubt you fucked a solid 9. I haven't seen any 9's in El Centro, even 8's are very hard to find. What makes them a 9 is not only the fact that they get dolled up, but also a healthy lifestyle. Healthy food, gym, good sleep, no stress, no bad habits (smoking, etc), low mileage. All of the above take a lot of effort, time and money. Yeah, eating clean is pricey. Do you know why most of them are fat? Because they eat cheap unhealthy food and they don't exercise. They are just too broke to eat clean. A true 9 will never work El Centro, because she will be in high demand and since the supply of 9's is low, her rate will go up. Guys will always pay premium for high quality, anywhere on the planet. When someone says "I fucked a solid 9 in El Centro" (and for how much? 50-70 mil cop?) I get skeptical.[/QUOTE]What the hell is "eating clean?" lololol Most Colombians aren't health food fanatics.

Again and again guys have been told here that your typical hookers, whether in Centro or working in or near El Pablado are strata one or two, "barrio girls. " You can believe it or not believe it, but it's the truth. "No stress" What world did you parachute in from? Lololol I personally doubt that you've spent much if any time in Centro, as the vast majority in the casas and strip clubs are not fat. The less expensive food choices are often rather healthy, soups, eggs, beans, and fruit, and are far from "pricey. " What world did you parachute in from? Colombia doesn't have near the problem with obesity as countries like Mexico, Costa Rica, or of course the USA. As to habits, most will drink some and smoke some weed. Some are into harder stuff. It's not like the USA where most hookers are hardcore addicts supporting a habit.

And yea, the difference between an 8 and 9, or some guys' 10 typically comes down to surgery, clothes, and make up. That's just how it is. There's plenty of very attractive girls in the Centro casas and strip clubs. But be "skeptical" all you like. That just leaves the more girls for those who know what's up.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2581251]I highly doubt you fucked a solid 9. I haven't seen any 9's in El Centro, even 8's are very hard to find. What makes them a 9 is not only the fact that they get dolled up, but also a healthy lifestyle. Healthy food, gym, good sleep, no stress, no bad habits (smoking, etc), low mileage. All of the above take a lot of effort, time and money. Yeah, eating clean is pricey. Do you know why most of them are fat? Because they eat cheap unhealthy food and they don't exercise. They are just too broke to eat clean. A true 9 will never work El Centro, because she will be in high demand and since the supply of 9's is low, her rate will go up. Guys will always pay premium for high quality, anywhere on the planet. When someone says "I fucked a solid 9 in El Centro" (and for how much? 50-70 mil cop?) I get skeptical.[/QUOTE]1) You clearly haven't spent a lot of time in centro, if any, IE pollonegro style, 6 hours a day, everyday, weeks on end. Guys don't pay a premium becuase theyre locals, they pay local prices, not gringo prices like in lleras. I paid 40 k + 16 room for my 9 estefania, you can go see her rn if you're otg, which you're probably not so IDK why you're arguing on this forum. lol.

2) These girls are not "sex machines". I forget the number of times a girl was so grateful because I was her first or second client of the day and she can go home finally because it was late.

I forget that a lot of guys monger out of necessity, not choice hahaha.

You get to know them by getting a coffee, a beer, chitchatting before, you know, people skills. I've been picking up SW since I was 16 in NYC, it's called building rapport. Then you can get DFK BBBJ DATY like I do with many regulars at no upcharge because theyre into you. My hipster girl marley that stands at the far end behind the museum treats me like her fiance on a honeymoon everytime for 40k. and shes a solid 8. go check her out if you want

This morning I was with a MILF from periera, 30 yo in a tight blue dress standing at the start of the walkway by mor dis cos. She came when she was riding cowgirl. She told me she masturbates in the morning to keep her work strictly professional but she was ovulating so she was into me. Ill be seeing her again.

You should put in more work before making such grandiose statements and accusations miamikid.

[QUOTE=Daga2222;2581271]You don't get it. I'm not paying $100 for the pussy. I'm paying $100 for the convenience of not having to go hunting in centro for the rare decent looking chick. I'm paying $100 to be able to relax at my own place in my nice bed and have a chick come over rather than be in some dingy short time hotel in Centro. Or $100 to go to a mansion in the hills and be shown a line up where there's at least a couple of guaranteed 9's. We're so diametrically opposed to how we monger that it would be difficult for you to understand. If you like the deals you get in Centro and are willing to put in the work, more power to you. I want something else entirely.[/QUOTE]I do not get it. $100 in Medellin is over the top. There are fine ass 9's on FB that will come to my apartment and stay two hours and the whole experience without ever leaving my apartment costs me about $50. While that seems outrageous to some Centro dwellers, it is a lot less than $100. $100 dollars if she is staying all night maybe but she better be gorgeous.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2580989]I got back from 2 weeks trip in Colombia. One of these weeks I spend in Medellin, 5 days in Bogota, 3 in Cartagena. Here are my random thoughts, reports and tips.

I read the forum and met a lot of advices about cheap girls in Centro and places like that. People were interested about cheap price rather then good quality. Well, I visited Centro but honestly it was very very low quality, the atmosphere in that kind of area is pretty awful and I'm thinking that you have to be really desperate to come to Centro for girls. Or a 50+ old gringo without a social media account.

Every girl that I met was from Tinder and Instagram, mostly from Insta. My Spanish is practically non existent and from the 7-8 girls that I met, non of them can speak English. But somehow that did not stop us of from having a really good time, mainly because of Google Translate, the positive chicks that I met and my Spanish vocabulary consisting 150 Spanish words.

Here you will read a lot of info about SWs, Centro girls, cheap options, etc. My report is for people who are looking for something else. I did not find a lot of info about that kind of travellers. I mean, people who are looking for a normal girls, working something in real life, going to university and so on. If you want a quality girl with tight pussy that did not fucked 100+ mens in the last 2 months, then go to Instagram. Send tons of messages, some of them will be answered and then it's easy. Colombian girls are super friendly, willing to meet gringos and to have some fun. Some of them will want $, some of them will want just you.

And because almost none of the reports here mention how much you give to the girls, I'll make an exception. I mean this info is pretty important and I don't'know why most of the brothers here are skipping that part. We do not care about reports "I fuck her all night, she finished 10+ times, I am the best lover in the world". So, some valuable info. I gave them from 0 to 300 pesos and some times I was so impressed that I gave them some tips (50-100 pesos) or I pay for the Uber..[/QUOTE]Excellent report! I'll in Colombia Aug 10th for 10 days. Any chance you could share or PM the search keywords you used on Instagram? Thanks again for the report!

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2581293]I do not get it. $100 in Medellin is over the top. There are fine ass 9's on FB that will come to my apartment and stay two hours and the whole experience without ever leaving my apartment costs me about $50. While that seems outrageous to some Centro dwellers, it is a lot less than $100. $100 dollars if she is staying all night maybe but she better be gorgeous.[/QUOTE]Yes, I would usually spend closer to $50, which is why I gave the range of $50-$100 in my earlier post. It's just that people chose to focus on the $100 number. The $100 is figurative here, not literal.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2580989]I got back from 2 weeks trip in Colombia. One of these weeks I spend in Medellin, 5 days in Bogota, 3 in Cartagena. Here are my random thoughts, reports and tips.

So my honest advice is forget about cheap SWs, Centro girls, Parque Lleras, etc. And do not bargain for 50 pesos. Why, what's the point? We are tourist, come here to have fun, not to save money. Pay 100-200 pesos extra and enjoy life. After all let's not forgive that 100 pesos are $25. The girls came to your own place, you know pretty good what to expect after scanning the Insta profile and you got a normal girl, not а girl that is literally depreciated (both physical and mentally)..[/QUOTE]What's your demographics? I'm a 5'6 Asian guy in his mid-30's so I'm wondering if your successes have to do with you being a blonde hair, blue-eyed 6'3 German guy in his mid-20's. Nothing against that if that's what you are but it helps to put things in perspective.

But great review nonetheless. Thanks for taking the time to write that. I'll be in Medellin in about a month for a week with the same mentality. Don't have the time to crawl through El Centro and the casas looking for cheap SW that are at most a 6 on a good day. I get paid well in the US and I want 9-10's coming to my room every day I'm there and / or being handed to me on a silver platter at places like Loutron.

To second what another guy asked, any IG girls you recommend? Can you DM me some links? Trying to build up my roster before I get there as well.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2581256]How do you get to know her personality within a 15-20 mins timeframe in a tiny motel room? They are sex machines, serving multiple dicks a day. What personality are you talking about? You go in, fuck, get out. Sometimes without asking her name.[/QUOTE]Sometimes can be 30 minutes, but if I find one I like, I see her again, she can stay the night or we go out for some drinks or food.

Sex machines. I know a girl in Thailand that claims she used to have 10 guys per day. Now she was FULL of personality. Haha.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2581281]

You get to know them by getting a coffee, a beer, chitchatting before, you know, people skills. I've been picking up SW since I was 16 in NYC, it's called building rapport. Then you can get DFK BBBJ DATY like I do with many regulars at no upcharge because theyre into you. My hipster girl marley that stands at the far end behind the museum treats me like her fiance on a honeymoon everytime for 40k. and shes a solid 8. go check her out if you want
.[/QUOTE]Exactly JW!

I've been roaming Centro in Medellin for 20 years now.

I've found my best girls there actually.

Some guys get it, some don't, who cares really, everyone's got their own way.

If you treat her like a sex machine puta, she'll treat you like a quick client.

Rapport as you say, goes a long way.

Enjoy!

This Medellin thread is ridiculous and barely useable. I often feel like mongers here (specifically) are talking to themselves with their posts, reassuring themselves that theirs is the best way, that unlike the other losers they are the most frugal, quality minded, well traveled, skillful, vagina wettening, prolific,. (insert x quality) of mongers and just waiting desperately by that keyboard for someone to confirm their self-regard with a re-quote.

Keep in mind that half of the "conquests" here are rank fabulations and gross exaggeration- that when someone says they fucked a 9 in Centro for 30 k, it was probably more like an 8. 3 for 50 k- that when they said they had 3 threesomes with 3 sisters and the cousins in 3 consecutive days, it was probably more like 1 threesome with a friend on a Monday. That when someone brags about banging 4 girls a day for 4 straight weeks, that's probably 6 girls a week for two weeks, and so on, and so on. It's ok, that's what men do- I'm sure I'm guilty of bullshitting at many points. If you know you did it, then who cares? Be secure in that. Why do you feel the need to advertise and then defend the blowback? The most prolific mongers will have lost track of the specifics- it's just who they are. It's also OK not to be a prolific monger. It' all ok.

Let's also remember these are not "conquests". These are girls we pay money to have sex with us, and despite the delusions of several here-no they are not going to have sex with you if you do not pay them no matter how spectacular your personality is. What the eff even is that delusion? You don't even get it for "free" with a non-pro, there is always some sort of cost. If you got sex for "free" consider that you paid for it 6 other times and then divide the sum by 7- there that's what it cost.

Bottom line, these arguments over style often run into needlessly elliptical personal skirmishes and neurotic displays that waste everyone's time. A good report is to the point, illustrative, full of specifics, and with real actionable intelligence. Endless opinion pieces and back and forth attacks make this resource harder to utilize- and again I will point specifically to this thread to be among the worst.

I'll be man enough to admit that this post even of itself is unnecessary and part of the problem.

There's no wrong way to monger, but there is a way to junk up the forum.

Peace.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2581316]Exactly JW!

If you treat her like a sex machine puta, she'll treat you like a quick client.

Enjoy![/QUOTE]Rather SHE treats you like a quick client / ATM / stupid gringo / you name it, no matter how you treat her. She can't wait to be done with you and go back to Lleras / Centro / Gusto etc to find another paying client.

Yes, rapport goes a long way, but with non-pros or semi-pros, who actually care about chemistry and want to have fun and enjoy themselves.

Every hardcore puta tries to maximize her income. She tells you she is done for tonight and going home, but goes back to Lleras if she thinks she can get some more cash.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2581281]1) You clearly haven't spent a lot of time in centro, if any, IE pollonegro style, 6 hours a day, everyday, weeks on end. Guys don't pay a premium becuase theyre locals, they pay local prices, not gringo prices like in lleras. I paid 40 k + 16 room for my 9 estefania, you can go see her rn if you're otg, which you're probably not so IDK why you're arguing on this forum. lol.

2) These girls are not "sex machines". I forget the number of times a girl was so grateful because I was her first or second client of the day and she can go home finally because it was late.

I forget that a lot of guys monger out of necessity, not choice hahaha.

You get to know them by getting a coffee, a beer, chitchatting before, you know, people skills. I've been picking up SW since I was 16 in NYC, it's called building rapport. Then you can get DFK BBBJ DATY like I do with many regulars at no upcharge because theyre into you. My hipster girl marley that stands at the far end behind the museum treats me like her fiance on a honeymoon everytime for 40k. and shes a solid 8. go check her out if you want

You should put in more work before making such grandiose statements and accusations miamikid.[/QUOTE]Doesn't matter if they are locals or not. (there are rich locals too) High quality girls are very hard to find, therefore the price you pay to fuck them is higher. Supply and demand, my friend. If your Selena Gomez exists, PM me her location and I will gladly go check her out since I'm on the ground. Maybe your 9 is my 6, and that would explain everything.

"First or second client of the day and she can go home finally because it was late"? LOL. Of course, you are her first! Any day. LOL. Please, stop being so naive. She probably goes back to lleras / centro looking for another client after you are done. And if she really goes home, this is because she already had enough of dicks to call it a night.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2581331]High quality girls are very hard to find, therefore the price you pay to fuck them is higher.
"First or second client of the day and she can go home finally because it was late"? LOL. Of course, you are her first! Any day. LOL. Please, stop being so naive. She probably goes back to lleras / centro looking for another client after you are done. And if she really goes home, this is because she already had enough of dicks to call it a night.[/QUOTE]You seem to have a warped view of sex workers. First you say you have to pay a high price for high quality, meaning that you think pros can be high quality. Then you ridicule them for having sex. You can't have it both ways.

I am curious to know why you think a girl has more value if she has less sex. Are you a Muslim?

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2580989]I got back from 2 weeks trip in Colombia. One of these weeks I spend in Medellin, 5 days in Bogota, 3 in Cartagena. Here are my random thoughts, reports and tips.

I read the forum and met a lot of advices about cheap girls in Centro and places like that. People were interested about cheap price rather then good quality. Well, I visited Centro but honestly it was very very low quality, the atmosphere in that kind of area is pretty awful and I'm thinking that you have to be really desperate to come to Centro for girls. Or a 50+ old gringo without a social media account.

Every girl that I met was from Tinder and Instagram, mostly from Insta. My Spanish is practically non existent and from the 7-8 girls that I met, non of them can speak English. But somehow that did not stop us of from having a really good time, mainly because of Google Translate, the positive chicks that I met and my Spanish vocabulary consisting 150 Spanish words.

Here you will read a lot of info about SWs, Centro girls, cheap options, etc. My report is for people who are looking for something else. I did not find a lot of info about that kind of travellers. I mean, people who are looking for a normal girls, working something in real life, going to university and so on. If you want a quality girl with tight pussy that did not fucked 100+ mens in the last 2 months, then go to Instagram. Send tons of messages, some of them will be answered and then it's easy. Colombian girls are super friendly, willing to meet gringos and to have some fun. Some of them will want $, some of them will want just you.

And because almost none of the reports here mention how much you give to the girls, I'll make an exception. I mean this info is pretty important and I don't'know why most of the brothers here are skipping that part. We do not care about reports "I fuck her all night, she finished 10+ times, I am the best lover in the world". So, some valuable info. I gave them from 0 to 300 pesos and some times I was so impressed that I gave them some tips (50-100 pesos) or I pay for the Uber.

I booked an Airbnb with a living room with a big nice sofa, kitchen with a bar area with 2 bar chairs. Separate bedroom. All the time I had in stock beer, wine, ice cream, chocolate and things like that. The effect is that the girl comes and then did not want to leave. Most of the times the girls stayed 4-5-6 hours. We fucked like crazy animals, drinking naked all the time, the girls are dancing, having fun hours after they planed to leave. And they know how to show their gratitude to you for the good time that they have.

So my honest advice is forget about cheap SWs, Centro girls, Parque Lleras, etc. And do not bargain for 50 pesos. Why, what's the point? We are tourist, come here to have fun, not to save money. Pay 100-200 pesos extra and enjoy life. After all let's not forgive that 100 pesos are $25. The girls came to your own place, you know pretty good what to expect after scanning the Insta profile and you got a normal girl, not а girl that is literally depreciated (both physical and mentally).

The summary was:

- 7 different girls. Almost all of them stayed 5+ hours. The "oldest" was 23 years old. Most of them 20-21.

- 3 asses fucked, one of them virgin. And she stayed from 6 pm to midnight. Yeah, it was really memorable night!

- one 18 years old lesbian, living with her girlfriend from more then a year. And yeah, you can see that from her Insta profile.

- Tons of photos, videos and good memories. With most of the girls we keep in touch even after I came back.

- I showed the photos and the videos to my friends and now everybody either hates me or wants to come to Colombia. Or both jajaja.

Yeah, I spend twice more than the SWs lovers. But I spent it on a nice airbnb; wines, beers and ice creams, and on a quality girls. And I'm a happy man. That's the most important thing.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with you, I've been looking for someone who would spend money on the higher end girls, all that casas and centro girls are low grade and their conversation it's also very basic and low, I'm hispanic and I speak spanish and after sex I usually want to talk to the girls and the street girls have nothing to say that it's worth anything, I guess you get what you pay for.

Granted she wasn't at Vera Cruz, she was at the Nutibara edge of Botero park. She wasn't dressed like a P4 P, and she was clean and tight. She was leaning under the metro track in the shade. I gave her a double take only because her beauty was so stunning and the way we locked eyes I knew something was up, so I walked over to her and a started a Spangilsh convo. She wanted to March right to my room at Hotel Botero with me and fuck by brains out for 40 mil COP. I got her phone number because I was on my way somewhere, but we never hooked up. I guarantee you she was not an El Centro regular but a woman, looked about 19 who needed some quick cash, and she knew where to go get it The whole culture in Colombia is like that. So many chicas fail safe back up plan it sell their wet holes, and you find some 9. 5's.

The most beautiful girl I fucked in Rio was standing about 150 meters away from the entrance to HELP disco at 3 AM in the dark because she couldn't pay the cover. Her boyfriend sent her down from the favela you can see from the City, to pay the rent. All the beautiful girls were supposedly inside HELP, but not her. I literally threw her on my back and carried her back to my room.

You can make generalizations, which by their very definition, have exceptions, Be ready, be aware, make your move.

[QUOTE=Jim0129;2581348]I totally agree with you, I've been looking for someone who would spend money on the higher end girls, all that casas and centro girls are low grade and their conversation it's also very basic and low, I'm hispanic and I speak spanish and after sex I usually want to talk to the girls and the street girls have nothing to say that it's worth anything, I guess you get what you pay for.[/QUOTE]I actually did the same.

Did not go to centro.

Had girls over by the San Peter apartment.

I did get pictures also anal sex.

True girls stayed around 4 hours for about 200 mil pesos.

Cost of apartment was 140 mil peso.

Was in the 11th floor.

The view was amazing.

All the girls loved it.

Taking pictures.

I will be back next month.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2581230]No shit!

That's exactly why you shouldn't be paying that much for a pop.

In a 3rd world country, 100 usd is a couple weeks salary.

Surf what is the price in centro? 30 mil? That's about one days pay for a Colombian, do you think that's underpaying them?

Cmon bro.[/QUOTE]So why are you going to a thirld country.

You gringos think you're very smart.

They laugh at you.

You're supposed to be from the best country in the world.

But guess what you go to a third world country.

Colombians are smart.

I laugh at you gringos.

The recent reports are good except one should refrain from talking about things that you don't have experience of, I. E. El Centro.

For example,

After reading these
[QUOTE=poster1;2580998]I get some older members or maybe certain types of mongers get a kick out of being "centro rats", but if you're a younger dude, skip that shit.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=poster2;2580989]...I'm thinking that you have to be really desperate to come to Centro for girls. Or a 50+ old gringo without a social media account.[/QUOTE]

Then I read this
[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2581202]... I'm a simple man and the girls in centro do me just fine, I'm also only [B]28[/B] so a lot of times it ends up being free too.[/QUOTE]
I think JW is young too.

I am not exactly sure what is high quality. From the reports, it simply sounds more like the girls are higher quality because they charge a lot more?

[QUOTE=Jim0129;2581348]I totally agree with you, I've been looking for someone who would spend money on the higher end girls, all that casas and centro girls are low grade and their conversation it's also very basic and low, I'm hispanic and I speak spanish and after sex I usually want to talk to the girls and the street girls have nothing to say that it's worth anything, I guess you get what you pay for.[/QUOTE]I find this interesting, I'm not Hispanic, but pass as a Colombian looks wise as I have been told, and would say I'm semi-fluent in Spanish, and have had some very interesting conversations with the girls in Centro, albeit the very hard core putas won't give you the time of day after you have blown your load.

For some guys, the higher end girls might mean they dress better, have pretty faces, and cost more. Yet for someone like myself, I could care less how they dress, and they don't need to have a pretty face. But a nice body, yes, and a nympho, meaning their into it to get off just like you are.

The problem with the girls in the casa's are that they are like machines, with the goal of getting you to blow a load versus them getting off as quickly as possible, where as when your paying a "higher end" girl to stay a while, you will have the time to hopefully have a much better experience versus in a casa or with a SW for a short period of time. Albeit there are some guys that just want a pretty face and to blow a load, and then immediately bail with no interaction.

Maybe sometime try another Centro girl but negotiate a timeframe equivalent to how much time you would spend with a higher end girl. Being Hispanic and speaking Spanish is huge, and you might have an experience which would change your perception of higher end girls.

I believe once the lights are dimmed, and the clothes are off, it can be hard to distinguish between a higher end girl, and a lower end girl.

Regardless of what I have said, everybody rolls different here, with no way being the right way.

And I am in no way criticizing your personal preferences.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2581379]I am not exactly sure what is high quality. From the reports, it simply sounds more like the girls are higher quality because they charge a lot more?[/QUOTE]Yes, there's a perception that paying more means higher quality which includes paying more for the nice clothes they wear, and how straight and white their teeth are along with the pretty faces as well. As I have said before, and will say again, once the lights are dimmed, and the clothes off, how do you distinguish between a higher and lower quality girl assuming their body's are similar.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2580981]Do you have that number handy or can you tell us how you got it. I can ask my hotel receptionist to schedule it for me. Thanks.[/QUOTE]The number is here.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2569741]I am in Medellin and I have used in the past, the IDme office located across the SantaFe mall, in Poblado. They are conveniently located and charge only 50 K cops. However this time around, they are not taking walk-ins. They require that one calls and set up an appointment. Their number is 604-6646.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2581266]And the plan is for us to get STD tested before we meet up so we don't have to use condoms. (Assuming we both test clean--I know I will LOL).

Any suggestions for getting STD tested? Anyone know the costs are how long it takes to get results? Anyone know what kind of proof they offer so If my girls get tested without me, I can see proof they really were tested and a re negative? I'd like some bareback action with a couple of them--but I don't want to be stupid about it.[/QUOTE]I would say you're one short for a game of Bridge. Kidding. That anachronistic joke was really an homage to Villainy.

You need at least ten girls for a a stable, I rank mine, and here's the clincher, I tell them ALL what their number is. My "system" has held up better than I thought for over a year. When I arrive in Medellin later this month, I start with the lowest available number girl and work my way up. I will stay with about half at their place I'll spare you the details. One of the rules all the girls follow is you can't countermand any girl that has a higher ranking. Catch my drift? So when I leave one girl's house to go to another's there's no discussion or argument because I use the rankings and they are all informed. There's much more to it and believe it or not, it's about everyone getting along and openness. Oh, and the three-way and four-way sexual encounters within the stable, are an added benefit. I think they almost always include me, jajaja IF a girl with high ranking asks another to have sex, she is not supposed to refuse. Just occurred to me now, all my girls in the Top Ten are bisexual. There is a saying in Medellin, haven't seen it here yet, "When a girl cheats on you, it's with another girl".

Loosely these descriptions also apply. 1-3 or 4 are novia, but Number One is the queen, and I've had the same Queen from the day I set foot in Medellin. Well, Number ONe stayed vacant one time for about a month, while we fought about why I flew into Medellin and she I was in Cartagena, probably fucking around, jajaja. Numbers 5-7 are amigas or friends with benefits. 8-10 are chicas. Anything above a ten is a puta.

Initially the girls are turned off by it, no one wants to be "a number". But then they totally embrace it and are competitive about it, and they always want to know their number is. Scarlet was a rocket on my last and move up 3 spots to sort of a tie at number Three with Soft Swirl,. Basically she gave me the most free sex and her asshole virginity. You know, things I could relate to. There's more to it, but everyone seems pretty content for now. And I realize I did not answer your question, jaja. Be there in nine days.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2581383]...once the lights are dimmed, and the clothes off, how do you distinguish between a higher and lower quality girl assuming their body's are similar.[/QUOTE]How about using their performance in the sack. That's the criteria I use.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2581381]I believe once the lights are dimmed, and the clothes are off, it can be hard to distinguish between a higher end girl, and a lower end girl.
[/QUOTE]That is why I keep my lights on to see what I pay for. lol.

[QUOTE=Daga2222;2581271]You don't get it. I'm not paying $100 for the pussy. I'm paying $100 for the convenience of not . I'm paying $100 to .[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Daga2222;2581300]Yes, I would usually spend closer to $50, which is why I gave the range of $50-$100 in my earlier post. It's just that people chose to focus on the $100 number. The $100 is figurative here, not literal.[/QUOTE]To be fair I am just pointing out that in the post where I am quoting you, You said "I'm paying $100" essentially three times in one paragraph. There is no shame in back tracking, I can get 7's to come to my apartment if 150 k cop but there are some 9's that I will pay 200 k plus taxi (the 9 is a rating of looks and service). There are also a couple that will not leave there house for less than 250 k because they are gorgeous and know that they have a reputation for porn start service and they seem to make enough off of their Fans Only pages that they do not have to chase every cita that comes along.

One chica that fit the description of porn star service who I have not hit her up in a couple of years so I do not know if she even takes citas anymore, I recently looked to see how many "fans" she has (not something I spend money on) and it says 2. 4 thousand. I do not know how that works as far as are they all active subscribers but at if subscribers equals fans that is some crazy money of each person is paying at the most economical rate, $26 for six months x 2400 and she keeps 80% before she pays taxes, that is crazy money in Colombia. Hell that is decent money in the USA.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2581394]How about using their performance in the sack. That's the criteria I use.[/QUOTE]None of the girls in my stable would be considered high end, totally on the other end of the spectrum, yet are all performers, and hence wouldn't be in my stable if they weren't.

It's always such a box of chocolates with women you go with the first time.

There's just no way of telling of how their going to perform, but also is a function of how the guy interacts with the girl.